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<v Speaker 1>Callaroga Shark Media find they own Johnny Mack with your

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<v Speaker 1>daily comedy news. The media has changed so much. John Mulaney,

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<v Speaker 1>as part of his press tour, I mentioned, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he did CBS this morning, and I'm like, that just

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<v Speaker 1>seems weird to me. But we live so long that

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<v Speaker 1>it also seems weird to me that John Mulaney did

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<v Speaker 1>Rolling Stone, like in nineteen eighty five. Ooh, John Mulaney's

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<v Speaker 1>on the cover of Rolling Stone. Let me see what

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<v Speaker 1>he's up to. Ooh, a Van Hagar article I'll read that.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't believe David ly Roth quit the band shocking Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>mullany talk to Rolling Stone. They tell us it's the

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<v Speaker 1>Last Word column where pop culture icons reflect on their work,

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<v Speaker 1>success and the lessons they've learned along the way. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>John said, please feel free to include literally anything we discussed,

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<v Speaker 1>because it'll be far more interesting than anything about my career.

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<v Speaker 1>They asked John what are the important rules that he

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<v Speaker 1>lives by. His answer, never planned more than three months

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<v Speaker 1>in the future. Live by, not work by dony crackers

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that. In bed, even if you keep

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<v Speaker 1>the plate run under your chin, they'll on up at

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<v Speaker 1>your feet and an easy one. But nobody knows nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>No one's an expert. We have a complete inability to

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<v Speaker 1>ever discuss scenarios that actually will happen, and we're off

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<v Speaker 1>on the wrong thread. He told an example one of

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<v Speaker 1>my first agents we had to call in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and five with ABC. They were hearing pitches from comedians

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<v Speaker 1>that were twenty three years old, and I asked him

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of shows do they want? And he paused

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<v Speaker 1>and said, oh, they want hits. That really stuck with me, like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh right, they just want whatever would work, and they

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<v Speaker 1>want the thing that no one else would do that

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like it won't work, but that works. I

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<v Speaker 1>used to laugh. When I was younger, people would be

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<v Speaker 1>like's your girlfriend pretty? I'd be like, what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>question is that? No? All I can get is trolls.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm lucky I even have this one. Me'laney said. The

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<v Speaker 1>horse being a loose in a hospital joke was about Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's more about a joke about how we're not

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<v Speaker 1>good at predicting anything. Seven minutes before nine to eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>we're all looking for Chondra Levy. We're just not really

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<v Speaker 1>on it. We've never been on it. I guess they

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<v Speaker 1>were these psychics back in the day that would make

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<v Speaker 1>their New Year's predictions some of them won't contrue, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's probably not true either. Best advice John mulaney ever received,

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<v Speaker 1>my dad told me, if you're on the phone with

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<v Speaker 1>someone in a business conversation you don't like what they're

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<v Speaker 1>saying or how they're counting, just say nothing. Silence makes

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<v Speaker 1>people crazy. They'll pause waiting for you to talk. You won't.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they'll continue to talk and they'll go are you

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<v Speaker 1>still there? And you go, uh huh, and then they'll

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<v Speaker 1>start talking again. He goes, they'll probably walk back everything

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<v Speaker 1>they said, or meet you with the terms you wanted,

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<v Speaker 1>or they might even go above what you wanted because

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<v Speaker 1>they're so uncomfortable. John admits to trying that in his

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<v Speaker 1>career and it working. Worst advice John Mullenie ever get.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't name them, but in twenty fifteen, an extremely

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<v Speaker 1>powerful person in Hollywood was telling me that I always

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<v Speaker 1>have to own all my IP which is not possible.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy's looking at me and he goes, I know

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<v Speaker 1>people were famous, not rich, and they're miserable. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know people were rich and not famous and I John

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<v Speaker 1>Mulaney say, and they're happy, and he goes, no, they're miserable.

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<v Speaker 1>And he looks at me and goes, you need both.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to be rich and famous. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>a parody of meeting this person. I was like, is

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<v Speaker 1>this a cut scene from The Devil's Advocate? Good question

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<v Speaker 1>here from Rolling Stone? What advice would you give to

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight John mullaney, who's auditioning for SNL

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<v Speaker 1>and working on his first special, The advice as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as you're ready to leave SNL, stay one more year.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I had. I didn't realize that when you

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<v Speaker 1>feel burnt out, that's not the moment to make a

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<v Speaker 1>decision like that. In terms of other stuff. There are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of twists in terms of my life after that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know if the advice would have stuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Funny answer here, what do you wish somebody would have

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<v Speaker 1>told you about being a celebrity growing up? Mulaney said.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have said to my child's self, it's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>like you picture it. And I would have said to

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<v Speaker 1>my twenty year old self, it's exactly like you picture it.

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<v Speaker 1>Best and worst parts of success. Melleney said, The best

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<v Speaker 1>part's easy, it's what you think. The worst part is

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<v Speaker 1>your instincts were rewarded, but your instincts aren't always right, John,

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<v Speaker 1>do you get imposter syndrome? No, listen. One of my

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<v Speaker 1>problems is not that I don't feel really at home

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<v Speaker 1>doing entertainment. I have other problems. Then they talked about

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<v Speaker 1>the infamous rehab skipping ahead and have you heard of

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<v Speaker 1>Chekhov's Gun? This is Chehov's podcast. Mulaney said, I like

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<v Speaker 1>David Lee Roth's bluegrass albums of covers, which is called

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<v Speaker 1>Strman with the Devil from two thousand and six. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>embarrassed to say it's kind of in my shuffle. Terry

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<v Speaker 1>Gros said Bill Burr on her NPR podcast, Good question

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<v Speaker 1>build us. This special market change in your public or

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<v Speaker 1>private self the topic, and I've been talking about this

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<v Speaker 1>all week, kind of the new Bill Berber said, it's

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<v Speaker 1>something I've kind of been going towards. But like most

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<v Speaker 1>people that get on stage, they sort of watch what

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<v Speaker 1>you do and then think this little sliver of you

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<v Speaker 1>is what you are or whatever, like the Rolling Stone

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<v Speaker 1>thing saying that I was the King of Rage comedy,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and it's in rolling Stones, so everybody listens

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<v Speaker 1>to it. So then I think I'm just walking around

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<v Speaker 1>just fearus all the time. It's two dimensional. I'll jump

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<v Speaker 1>in there. I've been in the podcasting industry getting a

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<v Speaker 1>fair amount of attention in the first quarter because I

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<v Speaker 1>have the sub stack and it's free and link in

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<v Speaker 1>the show notes, and I've been, as I call it,

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<v Speaker 1>throwing fastballs on the substack. I'm commenting on the podcasting

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<v Speaker 1>industry and I'm just throwing heat, nothing but heat, and

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<v Speaker 1>people are paying attention. And then, as I wrote in

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<v Speaker 1>the substack, when you go, hey, look at me, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't be upset that people are looking at you. However,

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<v Speaker 1>then I get invited on podcasts about podcasting, and the

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<v Speaker 1>first thing I say is I'm glad we're here to

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<v Speaker 1>have a new onance conversation, so you can hear the

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<v Speaker 1>tone of voice. And don't think I'm walking around kicking

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<v Speaker 1>garbage cans all day going. I can't believe everybody's making

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<v Speaker 1>video podcast girl, I'm not like that at all. So

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<v Speaker 1>I totally hear what Burr is saying about your public persona,

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<v Speaker 1>including Johnny Mack, who is ninety nine percent John McDermott,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll explain. Johnny Mack clearly doesn't like Adam Sandler movies, right,

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<v Speaker 1>John McDermott also doesn't like Adam Sandler movies. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't walk around going all day. I can't leave Netflix,

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<v Speaker 1>cave Adam Sandler another deal, Like, I just don't care

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<v Speaker 1>and I move on with my life. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a podcast. I'm trying to be entertaining, so maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I ramp it up a little bit. Back to Burr,

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<v Speaker 1>there's also part of me that really hates the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that I've been so angry and had a temper and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It was never something I wanted to be and something

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up with, and you know, you think to yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing that. I'm not gonna be this person

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<v Speaker 1>because they're making me feel bad as a kid, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you grow up and you end up. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>weird thing. Gross asked, who's the person who told you

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<v Speaker 1>was your wife a therapist? Burr said, everybody in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody people reviewing my act, my wife. You know, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you can only argue point for so long when one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred people in the row are going like, nah, you're

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<v Speaker 1>pretty angry. Good Stuff. I haven't been able to live

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<v Speaker 1>to that one yet, but it's definitely in my cue.

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<v Speaker 1>Good show in Los Angeles tonight is a benefit concert

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<v Speaker 1>called Let's Get Laid, Get It Elaid, Yes Well, combined

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<v Speaker 1>stand up comedy and live music. It's at the United

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<v Speaker 1>Theater Weird Now, Margaret Show, Bob the Drag Queen Al Jardine.

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<v Speaker 1>As I've joked before, I assume it's the Beach Boys,

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<v Speaker 1>Al Jardine and not some comedian off my radar. Alex Edelman,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Fleming, Eric Idol, Maria Bamford, Mark Prosch, and Neil

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<v Speaker 1>Hamburger will make appearances. Other guests include Paul Schaeffer, Peter Asher, Puddles,

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<v Speaker 1>Pity Party, Reggie Watts, Rufus Wainwright, and Tim Heidecker. That

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<v Speaker 1>is a great, great lineup a night of music and

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<v Speaker 1>comedy for La wildfire relief. Proceeds will benefit firefighters who

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<v Speaker 1>battled the various fighters as well as those who've been displaced.

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<v Speaker 1>The Houston Press caught up with Tom Papa and asked

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<v Speaker 1>Tom about growing up in New Jersey. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>such a stereotypical New Jersey question that I love that

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<v Speaker 1>the Houston people asked it, Tom Papa. Being from New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 1>how much was Bruce Springsteen's chef in your face? Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Papa said, didn't feel shoved, does so much as it

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<v Speaker 1>was a presence like everything else. You had the skyline

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<v Speaker 1>of New York in the distance, the Jersey Shore waiting

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<v Speaker 1>down south, and Springsteen was the soundtrack everywhere he went.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was in high school, he was hitting the

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<v Speaker 1>peak of his fame, so it was kind of cool. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>pop is my age, so yeah, born in the USA. Big.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Springsteen had the Lost Years that the big reunion

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand. I know, I personally won tour, saw

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<v Speaker 1>twelve shows. You drive up and down the Garden State

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<v Speaker 1>Parkway in the summer listening to Bruce, it just sounds right, Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>Papa says, New Jersey's always been a punchline. I always

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<v Speaker 1>said the reason I was a comedian is you had

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<v Speaker 1>a good sense of humor about yourself being from New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>What music is Tom Papa listening to? He says he

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<v Speaker 1>still listens to Arim and Prince, but he's left Culture

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<v Speaker 1>Club and Duran Duran in the eighties. Dude, Deuran Duran

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<v Speaker 1>is fantastic. Tom put On Rio and Hungry Like the Wolf.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, those are bangers, as the kids say. Tom

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<v Speaker 1>also loves Ren DMC and Public Enemy, but says, now,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess jazz is the thing I listen to that now,

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<v Speaker 1>But I would hope that the young Tom would understand

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<v Speaker 1>that someday he understand jazz. Kevin Hart has revealed that

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<v Speaker 1>he's traded in jeans for all bands, all slacks after

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<v Speaker 1>turning forty years old. He was on with Jennifer Hudson

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<v Speaker 1>good pant is necessary. Jeans aren't the same. Jean's hurt

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<v Speaker 1>and are not comfortable. Sam Morel talked about the Error's

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<v Speaker 1>tour to w AMC. He's on a bus. Sam says

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<v Speaker 1>misflights and all that. You eliminate that, so that's nice.

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<v Speaker 1>When my daughter was in school in Chicago, I used

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<v Speaker 1>I'm halfway there anyway, and that's when I would catch

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<v Speaker 1>right now. I could listen to Bill Burr with Torry Gross.

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<v Speaker 1>Sam talked about the country at this particular moment in

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<v Speaker 1>Times and Your Letters to Sam Morrel. He said, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you see how toxic everything is on the internet, and

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<v Speaker 1>now bad everything is on the news, now mean and

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<v Speaker 1>racist everyone is on Twitter. And then you go into

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<v Speaker 1>like a cafe and you're like, I think it's all right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's confusing because you just go around things

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be okay, but you know things are tough

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<v Speaker 1>from short Old Phil Wang is going to host the

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<v Speaker 1>BAFTA Games Awards for the second year in a row.

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<v Speaker 1>Video games we're talking about here. Phil said, I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>thrilled to be returning as host of this year's BAFTA

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<v Speaker 1>Games Awards. Last year's show with such an uplifting celebration

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<v Speaker 1>of this incredible industry. Blah blah blah. I played games

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<v Speaker 1>all my life, and these awards feel like my opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to think the people who made them. Because of games,

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<v Speaker 1>a public service thank you games. C two E two

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<v Speaker 1>Paton Oswalt's will be on the main stage Friday, April eleventh,

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<v Speaker 1>eight p m. Also doing an appearance Second Cities Live

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