1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,879 Speaker 1: Visit with our very good friend as we go behind 2 00:00:01,919 --> 00:00:05,160 the counter, John Murray, who is at our Friday home, 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,799 except he's he's buying his loans and probably just kicking 4 00:00:07,839 --> 00:00:10,839 back with many TVs in his office. I can see 5 00:00:10,839 --> 00:00:12,359 the feet on the desk right now, the one and 6 00:00:12,439 --> 00:00:14,960 only vice president of the Super Book, John Murray. 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: What's going on, John? 8 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 3: That's pretty accurate. I got I got you. I got 9 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,480 some horse racing going on. Saratoga and Delmar are running today, 10 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:26,559 so that's some pretty good stuff. 11 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: Going on, all right. 12 00:00:27,879 --> 00:00:30,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, See, Marco's kicking his feet up in the studio, 13 00:00:30,399 --> 00:00:32,679 and you're kicking your feet up, you know. 14 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: In your office. 15 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: So okay, And while and while you're doing that, I'm 16 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:41,759 watching a mascots practice. They're trampling, jumping and dunking, uh 17 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,520 for the timeouts show there you go. 18 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,039 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, we all have our crosses to bear, you know, yeah, 19 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,399 exactly mine. Can't be can't always. 20 00:00:54,119 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: Be easy, John, Could you picture Marco as a mascot. 21 00:00:58,079 --> 00:00:59,840 I'm just trying to pick a picture of Marco like 22 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:03,280 dribbling a ball up the court and then thrusting himself 23 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,640 off the trampoline and trying to dunk a basketball. 24 00:01:06,799 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: I still wouldn't get care. 25 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 3: How many I don't know how many people we know 26 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,760 they could do that. Honestly, that sounds pretty hard, I know, right, 27 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,760 and you have that big costume on, yes, yes, and 28 00:01:19,599 --> 00:01:22,359 then you gotta jump run, jump off the trampoline and 29 00:01:22,439 --> 00:01:24,040 dunk the basketball. I mean, I don't get that the 30 00:01:24,079 --> 00:01:25,079 easiest thing on the Wolves. 31 00:01:25,439 --> 00:01:28,439 Speaker 1: I know, Hey, we're all old enough except for John 32 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,120 probably right, but we all remember the Phoenix Gorilla. 33 00:01:31,359 --> 00:01:32,519 Speaker 2: I think guy was classic. 34 00:01:33,159 --> 00:01:37,159 Speaker 3: Remember the Gorilla? Sure might I. 35 00:01:37,159 --> 00:01:39,719 Speaker 1: Just have a flashback with that as I as I 36 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,120 see this, this this guy's got you know, he's got 37 00:01:42,159 --> 00:01:43,840 nothing on the Gorilla. I mean, give me a break, 38 00:01:44,239 --> 00:01:46,439 but the Gorilla was a fantastic I mean, when'd you 39 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,640 say the Gorilla was probably up there with the Philly 40 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,239 Fanatic and uh, you know some of the other great mascots. 41 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: I would say, so, yeah, Philly fanatic of the class. 42 00:01:57,719 --> 00:02:01,680 Remember remember in the Simpsons, the Capital City go to 43 00:02:01,799 --> 00:02:02,840 their baseball team. 44 00:02:03,079 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: Now you're talking to Numbchuck. Okay, that's I. 45 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,199 Speaker 3: Always thought that was very a very very funny mascot. 46 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:10,680 It was all it was was just a rip off 47 00:02:10,719 --> 00:02:14,639 of but it made me I thought. 48 00:02:14,439 --> 00:02:15,759 Speaker 2: It was Marco. 49 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:18,879 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here giving him real life mascots with real 50 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,560 professional teams, and John's going to a cartoon. 51 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,759 Speaker 3: A good mascot. It was a good one. We went 52 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,879 when I was I was a student at West Virginia University. 53 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,479 We had the Mountaineer. Yeah, guy with a big beard. 54 00:02:31,719 --> 00:02:32,039 Speaker 2: That's good. 55 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 3: That's good. That's a pretty good mascot. 56 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:34,759 Speaker 2: Did you have an audition for that? 57 00:02:36,319 --> 00:02:39,479 Speaker 3: No, sir, I never never even occurred to me. And actually, 58 00:02:39,599 --> 00:02:41,520 I think the same guy who was the mascot for 59 00:02:41,719 --> 00:02:45,319 like several years while I was there, so I think 60 00:02:45,319 --> 00:02:46,439 the position was spoken for. 61 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,039 Speaker 2: Why is that guy? 62 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 3: Uh? 63 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: Kind of like the Notre Dame, you know, the leper 64 00:02:51,879 --> 00:02:55,199 Khan looks like he's been in school for like fifteen years. 65 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,719 They all look a lot older, right, I mean, especially 66 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,919 the meantime. You got a college kid with the beer 67 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:03,360 and he's toting a gun. That's a little scary, that's screaming. 68 00:03:03,439 --> 00:03:04,879 That guy's like forty years old. 69 00:03:05,719 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 3: Boy, you're talking like full grown beer, you know, not 70 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:10,879 like like I've got a little bit of it. I 71 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,360 got some something of a beer. But this guy had 72 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,080 like a soul blown right, big red beer yeah, so 73 00:03:17,159 --> 00:03:19,520 obviously that you know that that's gonna h that's going 74 00:03:19,599 --> 00:03:20,280 to make it a hold. 75 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:25,879 Speaker 4: John, You love my mountaineer story. The last backyard brawl 76 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,400 that was at Three River Stadium. 77 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 2: I was there. 78 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 4: I had seats in the end zone, and West Virginia 79 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,560 had scored a touchdown. It was in the fourth quarter 80 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,199 and the he hits you know, the musket and heat, 81 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:43,879 he shoots it. He shoots it too close to a 82 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,360 mounted police officer on horse. The horse reared up and 83 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,280 the officer fell off. That was the last time that 84 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,680 he shot that, the musket throwing back. 85 00:03:54,520 --> 00:04:00,719 Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh my gosh. Yeah. Oh that's why 86 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,759 they it's a hard job TC. You know, obviously not 87 00:04:04,759 --> 00:04:05,599 everybody can do it. 88 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,759 Speaker 1: No, you're right, you're absolutely, especially you know, like with 89 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,800 these professional franchises because they're you know, they're doing all 90 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,039 these you know, like I said, skits and jumping around 91 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,759 and all this other kind of stuff. So what I do, 92 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:20,480 like John, is that you know, when I'm here at 93 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:23,480 these arenas and I get a chance to to see 94 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,879 the mascots, like you know, without their costume on or whatever, 95 00:04:26,879 --> 00:04:29,480 to see actually what they look like, and saying, Okay, 96 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,759 what's what's this backstory? This is what this guy looks 97 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,600 like or this girl looks like or that that sort 98 00:04:33,639 --> 00:04:36,079 of thing. And there's a thing in the WNBA and 99 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:37,759 I don't know if you're aware of it or not. 100 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,600 And you know, Mark was, you know, watching enough WNB 101 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,079 and out. But the biggest sensation is Ellie, the New 102 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,199 York Liberty mascot. And people have been blown up on 103 00:04:47,319 --> 00:04:50,759 social media everything wanting to know who Ellie is. And 104 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,439 that is one of the one of the most frequent 105 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,879 questions that I get from people, is like. 106 00:04:56,399 --> 00:04:58,879 Speaker 2: Is Ellie a guy or a girl? What does Ellie 107 00:04:58,879 --> 00:04:59,920 look like? And this and that? 108 00:05:00,399 --> 00:05:03,399 Speaker 1: And uh yeah, I was unable to my last trip 109 00:05:03,399 --> 00:05:06,040 to New York, I was able to uncover the secret 110 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:10,120 of who Ellie was. And uh yeah, yeah, it was 111 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,480 a little bit, a little bit shocked and surprised. But yeah, 112 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,120 Ellie's like a you know phenom. I mean, you see 113 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,040 Ellie like in the Macy's Day Parade and you know, 114 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,480 doing talk shows and all this stuff, because I mean 115 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,680 she went so she's gotten so popular. 116 00:05:23,959 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 2: It's crazy. Ellie the elephant. 117 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 3: And are you gonna reveal the identity? 118 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,639 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't you know, know, like her 119 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,199 actual name or whatever, but I know, you know, what 120 00:05:35,319 --> 00:05:37,920 she looks like and gender and that sort of thing, 121 00:05:38,079 --> 00:05:38,199 you know. 122 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: I mean, well you yeah, I said her. There you 123 00:05:41,879 --> 00:05:43,680 go right, right right. But there was a lot of 124 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,319 people that thought it was a dude. You know, I 125 00:05:45,319 --> 00:05:47,480 thought it was a guy. Yeah, But. 126 00:05:48,959 --> 00:05:50,879 Speaker 1: There you go. There you have it, all right. So 127 00:05:50,959 --> 00:05:53,160 there that's your mascot talk, you know for the day. 128 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,120 You know, I got to finish up though, I was 129 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,720 going to say about that Irish guy. So you know, 130 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,160 I got a chance to you know, follow the whole 131 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:08,199 Leprechaun thing, and it is a different student you know, 132 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:10,920 usually every like two or three years or whatever. But 133 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,040 they really try to get the guy to look the same. 134 00:06:15,759 --> 00:06:19,639 And that's why you won't see much variation of the Leprechaun. 135 00:06:19,639 --> 00:06:21,279 You're not going to see a guy with a blonde 136 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,920 beard or whatever. They they want to try to, you know, 137 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,279 get that that that kind of that kind of red 138 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,600 hair and beard and that sort of thing. And I 139 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,720 don't know if they go to the lengths of you know, 140 00:06:31,879 --> 00:06:34,199 makeup and you know, fake beard. I don't think they 141 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,600 do that. But it's pretty crazy, man. If you go 142 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,199 through and you know, look at all the leprechauns. It 143 00:06:40,199 --> 00:06:41,600 looks like the same guy. 144 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,759 Speaker 2: It does. But they take it. But to your point, John, 145 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,879 they take this very very seriously, very seriously. It's a thing. 146 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,959 Speaker 3: I thought, like, that's a little discriminatory. You know, he 147 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,959 can't so he can't be the lep unless you look 148 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:56,639 like the last guy. 149 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, that's just like the acting 150 00:06:59,759 --> 00:07:00,199 busin this. 151 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,639 Speaker 1: I mean, my my daughter goes through that. I mean, 152 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,160 she just she got turned down for a part and 153 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,480 they go, you nailed it, you were awesome this and that, 154 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,759 blah blah blah. However, you know you you look too young, 155 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,519 like what you know. It's like she auditioned for this 156 00:07:14,519 --> 00:07:17,199 this part. It was like, okay, you know, part of 157 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,040 the of the play is you're gonna be in your 158 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:21,120 You're gonna be a twenty year old and then the 159 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,639 other you're going to be forty. And it's like, okay, well, 160 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:27,560 you know you're you're right there. I mean, you're older 161 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,120 than twenty. You got that look, and now what are 162 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,680 you gonna do. It's like, oh yeah, yeah, so we 163 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,319 get you get that stuff all the time. I mean, 164 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:36,920 that's a that's the nature of like that's the entertainment 165 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,680 that show business. Right there, you go show I don't know, 166 00:07:39,879 --> 00:07:42,439 speaking of show business, what are we doing here with 167 00:07:42,439 --> 00:07:43,680 with NFL preseason? 168 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: Here? 169 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: We continue to get, you know, some of these steam plays. 170 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,480 You know, we talked about the steam plays last week, 171 00:07:50,519 --> 00:07:52,920 and I've got an updated account because remember I saying, 172 00:07:53,279 --> 00:07:55,839 if there is a move, a line move of a 173 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,879 point and a half or more that you know, go 174 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,759 the opposite way, you're making some money. And I believe 175 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,839 the stat I gave you guys last week was like 176 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:08,000 twenty six and thirteen. That happened all of last year's preseason. 177 00:08:08,199 --> 00:08:12,000 So now we've updated it last week, that same trend 178 00:08:12,079 --> 00:08:16,639 if you went against the move nine and three last week, 179 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,319 so you take basically the last four weeks of preseason 180 00:08:20,399 --> 00:08:23,399 three last year and the one week so far this 181 00:08:23,439 --> 00:08:25,399 season thirty five and sixteen. 182 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,319 Speaker 2: What's up with that? Wow? 183 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,279 Speaker 3: That's crazy? Yeah, Yeah, it sounds like maybe the numbers 184 00:08:32,279 --> 00:08:33,159 are moving too much. 185 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 2: So I mean, are you guys cognizant of that? Is that? 186 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,159 How much? How much line movement did you do last week? 187 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:41,799 With that? And what are you looking at this week? 188 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 3: I think what we're saying more of this week than 189 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,519 we did last week. Is is probably it's probably due 190 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,639 to the stat you just gave, which is buy back. 191 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:55,159 Like I think last week we mostly just had sharp 192 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,320 groups were on the same side multiple times and different numbers. 193 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,279 And what I'm saying this week more in the preseasons, 194 00:09:01,759 --> 00:09:05,600 you're seeing different groups on different sides of the same game. 195 00:09:05,919 --> 00:09:07,759 And that's what you get during the regular season. A 196 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:10,480 lot of times you get wise guys on this team 197 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,279 and other groups come back on the on this opposite 198 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,639 obsite side. So this week we're seeing games where we 199 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,000 took a bunch of money on the forty nine ers, Rush, 200 00:09:20,039 --> 00:09:22,759 took a bunch of money on the Raiders, and so on. 201 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,679 We were getting actually getting two way actions. Of course, 202 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:26,559 the book likes to see that. 203 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 4: John, we had the first week and going back to 204 00:09:30,759 --> 00:09:33,879 the Hall of Fame game overs in the preseason so 205 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,559 far fourteen and two, when you guys went in to 206 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,440 bring out the numbers this week, how much did you 207 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,399 factor that into setting this week's totals. 208 00:09:44,799 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: Well, you're looking at that for sure, and you're and 209 00:09:47,159 --> 00:09:49,080 you're looking at the way people are vetting them. And 210 00:09:49,919 --> 00:09:53,039 I will say that the way that the way the 211 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,440 vetters responded, they seem to think that maybe we overreacted 212 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,919 a little bit because I did seem more sharp bet 213 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,039 on under this week than I did a week ago. 214 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,960 There's a number of games where we've seen some groups 215 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,679 coming on the under and we've we've moved numbers back 216 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:12,720 down a little bit. So maybe maybe they're expecting things 217 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,320 to revert back to normal this week. 218 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 4: I would think so, John, with the fact that I 219 00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:20,919 think why you get so many overs in that first week. 220 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,240 The first week is a throwaway week. Okay, you're not 221 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:25,919 seeing the starters. 222 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:26,879 Speaker 2: Play at all. 223 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,799 Speaker 4: If they do, it's a token series. So you got 224 00:10:29,799 --> 00:10:32,399 all these backup players. But what ends up happening on 225 00:10:32,519 --> 00:10:35,000 so many of these teams I like to call them, 226 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,720 you know the preseason, you know, superstars, but you have 227 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,440 a lot of backup quarterbacks in the league that they 228 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,240 get in. They have experience, have started in the NFL, 229 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,559 but you know, weren't good enough or lost their starting job. 230 00:10:49,799 --> 00:10:52,879 But they're here in the preseason and they're going against 231 00:10:53,039 --> 00:10:57,360 defenses that are wheeling out, you know, third and fourth units. 232 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,480 Nobody's game planning for anything. There's no blitz is you know, 233 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,200 like Drew Locke last week, you know, he had a 234 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,399 big you know game, Uh my guy in Pittsburgh, Mason Rudolph. 235 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,720 You know, he's been a backup forever, but he knows 236 00:11:11,759 --> 00:11:14,399 the system and he gets to play against the lesser 237 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,840 you know units. I think you'll see more of that 238 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,759 this week, where it'll be more stable because some of 239 00:11:20,759 --> 00:11:25,480 the coaches will treat week two with more emphasis. 240 00:11:25,799 --> 00:11:25,919 Speaker 3: Uh. 241 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 4: Others will use their you know as we used to 242 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,000 call it the dress rehearsal in week three because they 243 00:11:32,039 --> 00:11:34,799 have that extra week off after Week three, so it'll 244 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,240 be split. But I think you're gonna see lower scoring 245 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:39,879 this week, and that's where I'm looking for my place. 246 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we've definitely been seeing that at the betting window. 247 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,759 And and what you're saying makes sense where the teams 248 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:48,679 out to the side, which game are they going to 249 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:54,240 want to put some emphasis on, if any, if any 250 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:57,120 of the preseason games. In the past, it was always 251 00:11:57,159 --> 00:12:00,120 that Week three game out of the four games. And 252 00:12:00,639 --> 00:12:02,639 now I guess we're seeing him do some in week two, 253 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:03,519 some in week three. 254 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: John Murray joins US vice president of the Super Book. 255 00:12:08,639 --> 00:12:11,679 He is at Wesgate Marco D'Angel in the studios in Vegas, 256 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:17,600 and yours truly here in Phoenix. Any future line movement 257 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,320 have you seen John over the last a couple of 258 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,440 weeks as we now approach the beginning here of the 259 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,000 NFL season. And then let's also even talk about, you know, 260 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,399 the college side as well too. 261 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 3: I think one team I've seen some bets coming on 262 00:12:32,639 --> 00:12:36,159 in terms of the wind told us is people betting 263 00:12:36,279 --> 00:12:39,919 over on the Titans that all of a sudden has 264 00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:42,080 been kind of a popular team. We've moved that number 265 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,240 up to six. We weren't five and a half. Titans 266 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,480 obviously look to quarterback cam Moore disappointedly were last year. 267 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:53,200 But their quarterback play last season was so bad that 268 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,000 you almost can't they almost can't help it get better 269 00:12:56,759 --> 00:12:59,799 with cam Ward the first overall pick. And then I 270 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:05,600 seen some people playing the Chicago Bears under their numbers. 271 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,879 The Bears, it's a tough division, and there's some people 272 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,240 doubting that they can make that leap and be an 273 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,279 over five hundred team. We've got there win total at 274 00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:18,519 eight and a half right now, the under is minus 275 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,960 one sixty. We've seen some we're seeing a lot of 276 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,360 money on the under on that one college side. I'll 277 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,639 tell you guys, really popular team is Texas Tech. Texas Tech. 278 00:13:29,159 --> 00:13:30,840 You know, they've they've spent a ton of money in 279 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,360 the transfer portal. They think they've brought in more starters 280 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,159 and any other team in the country, and they've been 281 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:39,960 a very popular team both over there. Winsoral to win 282 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,879 the Big Twelve and to make the college football players. 283 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,000 And the Big Twelve looks like it is pretty wide open. 284 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,080 There's some really good teams in there, but there's no Texas. 285 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,639 There's no Ohio State or Georgia. A pretty open conference. 286 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 4: John's staying in the Big Twelve. And I know your friend, 287 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,759 my friend Kelly is high on Texas Tech as well. 288 00:14:00,759 --> 00:14:02,799 But there's a team in a Big twelve that I'm 289 00:14:02,879 --> 00:14:06,080 high on. And we did a show this week with Kelly. 290 00:14:06,919 --> 00:14:12,360 I think Utah is going to exceed expectations from everybody. 291 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,519 And last year to me was just an absolute lost 292 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,679 season with Utah because every week the question was is 293 00:14:19,759 --> 00:14:23,159 cam Risen playing or is he not? I mean, he 294 00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:26,720 was questionable every single week. They never got any continuity 295 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,679 on offense. They had a stellar defense that kept them 296 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,480 in games with you know, no offensive support. Now they 297 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:37,840 have the offensive coordinator come over from New Mexico. He 298 00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:42,480 brings in the quarterback. I think that this is a 299 00:14:42,559 --> 00:14:46,200 team that can be a sleeper in the Big twelve. 300 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:49,000 You know, I like them when never remember the last 301 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,960 couple of years in the Pac twelve. The reason they 302 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,120 were so successful to me is they were the opposite 303 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,879 of most of the teams. You know, I always referred 304 00:14:58,919 --> 00:15:02,480 to the Pack twelve is a finesse conference where there's 305 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,840 a lot of passing, no defense. Utah was just the opposite. 306 00:15:06,919 --> 00:15:09,919 They were a very physical team. They played great defense, 307 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,799 and people didn't want didn't like that style. And I 308 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,360 think that plays well in the Big twelve because that's 309 00:15:15,399 --> 00:15:17,679 what you have in the Big twelve as well. You 310 00:15:17,759 --> 00:15:21,320 don't have those big physical teams. Everybody's pass happy. 311 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,759 Speaker 3: Well, I know you're referring to your friend Kelly, and 312 00:15:25,879 --> 00:15:30,679 Kelly Kelly is as big of a contrarian better. I mean, 313 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:35,120 that's basically a real personality in venting is cour So 314 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,600 I think Utah might fit into that category because I 315 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,399 can tell you at least here at the Westcast super book, 316 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,080 I mentioned a lot of money on Texas Tech. We're 317 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,759 taking a lot of money on Arizona State, and we're 318 00:15:45,759 --> 00:15:48,879 taking a fair bit of money on Baylor. Utah has 319 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,440 kind of been that forgotten team in the Big twelve, 320 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,840 and maybe there is an opportunity for them to get 321 00:15:54,879 --> 00:15:57,799 themselves into the mix, you know, into the college football 322 00:15:57,799 --> 00:16:01,559 playoff picture. I went into Big twelve. They're a team. 323 00:16:01,799 --> 00:16:04,440 They absolutely had a lost season a year ago, and 324 00:16:04,559 --> 00:16:06,519 prior to that, they've they've been such a good program 325 00:16:06,559 --> 00:16:09,919 for so long. Decompensing wide open as it is, that 326 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,399 might actually be a good worth. 327 00:16:11,159 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 2: A good look, you know, guys. 328 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: The reason why, you know, like I said, Marco hit 329 00:16:14,759 --> 00:16:18,919 on it the lost season, but it wasn't just Cam Rising, 330 00:16:19,039 --> 00:16:22,399 is because they put everything into Cam Rising. He was 331 00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:26,200 there like for six years, and they had no backup quarterback. 332 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,799 They tried the second string guy, the third string guy, 333 00:16:28,879 --> 00:16:31,240 the fourth ringing and then they were just terrible at 334 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,360 the quarterback position. And that's my fear about Utah. Now 335 00:16:35,799 --> 00:16:39,320 they're gonna go ahead and start Isaac Wilson. Okay, and 336 00:16:39,399 --> 00:16:41,679 those that don't know Isaac Wilson, he's a younger brother 337 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:46,480 of Zach Wilson, played at BYU. He's a freshman. But 338 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,919 the same thing, they don't have much of a depth 339 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,960 chart at that quarterback position, and this freshman is going 340 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,840 to have to come in and into the big twelve, 341 00:16:54,919 --> 00:16:58,759 into the situation and be better than what they were 342 00:16:58,759 --> 00:17:02,799 at quarterback last year. And uh, that's my only scary 343 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:05,240 you know, thought he got a game in last year. 344 00:17:05,279 --> 00:17:08,799 He didn't look great, but we can only hope that 345 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:09,400 that he is good. 346 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 2: But you guys are right. 347 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Utah Is could be that team, especially on 348 00:17:13,039 --> 00:17:15,519 the defensive side of the ball. But that's a team 349 00:17:15,559 --> 00:17:19,519 that is just uh, you know, if they don't have 350 00:17:19,559 --> 00:17:21,599 a quarterback, we're gonna have a You're gonna have another 351 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,279 lost season. So I don't know how much we can 352 00:17:23,279 --> 00:17:26,160 trust Isaac Wilson. This kid could be great, but you know, 353 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:27,960 I think the only time will twelve. I can't jump 354 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,759 into him until I see him, you know, a few 355 00:17:29,799 --> 00:17:33,599 games under his belt, so off keeping. 356 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to keep an eye on that. Hey, John, 357 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:37,960 let's happen. 358 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,519 Speaker 3: When you can't trust the quarterback and you say that 359 00:17:41,079 --> 00:17:43,759 quarterback can just doom a college or pro team. We've 360 00:17:43,759 --> 00:17:46,079 all seen that. So it's a good call. 361 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: On Okay, major League Baseball real quick, the Dodger woes, 362 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:51,880 I mean that has to make you happy, right, I 363 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,319 mean with the way that this team has been playing, Uh, 364 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,319 not only just a public team, but usually a heavy 365 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,640 favorite team. And I know at the beginning of the 366 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,920 season is like, oh, everybody in their mother's on the Dodgers. 367 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,319 Dodgers are in the parlay situation, is going against the 368 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,880 Rockies and going on the Dodgers. I mean, this team's 369 00:18:09,039 --> 00:18:12,200 under five hundred for the better part of the last month. Uh, 370 00:18:12,519 --> 00:18:14,039 that's got to be good for you. And what do 371 00:18:14,079 --> 00:18:16,480 you see are you still seeing people just keep doubling 372 00:18:16,519 --> 00:18:17,359 down on the Dodgers. 373 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 3: Well, it's been it's been incredible because you know, the 374 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,480 Dodgers coming into the season off winning the World Series 375 00:18:24,519 --> 00:18:26,519 that you look like they've gotten much better, at least 376 00:18:26,519 --> 00:18:28,880 on paper. You think they're gonna win the division easily, 377 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,240 be the number one seed. To see them fall out 378 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,880 of first place and lose like this has been good 379 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,039 for us. But the betters move on quickly, you guys, 380 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:43,599 they've already moved on. The team they love now is Milwaukee. Yeah, 381 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,920 and Milwaukee wins every day. I don't blame them, so 382 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,319 right now it's the moving target nowadays. We really want 383 00:18:50,319 --> 00:18:53,519 to see, is Milwaukee lose or they mean not cover 384 00:18:53,599 --> 00:18:56,359 the run line once once in a while. Milwaukee is 385 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,000 a clearly the better's Darling's right now. But yeah, of 386 00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:01,400 course I'm the Dodgers lose has been good for us, 387 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:02,039 there's no doubt. 388 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: And the Mets are probably in that same category as 389 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,960 well too. I know the Mets are a pretty public team. 390 00:19:08,319 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 3: The Mets meltdown has been great for us because we 391 00:19:10,519 --> 00:19:12,759 have a lot of lives we still do and seeing 392 00:19:12,759 --> 00:19:16,519 them out over a lot of liability on Mets futures. 393 00:19:17,079 --> 00:19:21,240 So the mess losing now, they're now they're underpace for 394 00:19:21,319 --> 00:19:24,119 their win total. Possibly they can fall out of the 395 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,200 playoff picture. The Mets losing is great for us. We 396 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:28,880 hope they keep it up all right. 397 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: John Murray, Vice president of the Super Book John, appreciate 398 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,079 the time as always, good stuff, and uh, keep keep 399 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:38,799 holding down the foid over there until we get back. 400 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:41,799 Speaker 3: Yes, sir, I'll talk to you guys next week. 401 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: There it is John Murray all right behind the counter 402 00:19:44,519 --> 00:19:46,640 with him, brought to you by our great partners at 403 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,200 wager talk dot com. 404 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 2: That's right. 405 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,519 Speaker 1: For all of your betty needs, go to wager talk 406 00:19:51,559 --> 00:19:52,279 dot com.