Speaker 1: This is the seventy seven w ABC Mini cast.
Speaker 2: It's the Left versus the Right debates, heavyweight sludfest.
Speaker 3: We're back on the air here at the left versus
Speaker 3: the right, and I think we need a new category.
Speaker 2: The left versus the right versus.
Speaker 3: The young and the one who really has to deal
Speaker 3: with this situation right now it's none other than zm
Speaker 3: the mayor Zorin Mamdani, because in his ranks they have
Speaker 3: started to talk about his temper, how he yells and
Speaker 3: screams at people, how he walks around and doesn't talk
Speaker 3: to people for hours at a time, which I find
Speaker 3: not even possible. But he is learning what people who
Speaker 3: take years to perfect this learned, which is if you're
Speaker 3: going to hire a young staff, particularly over the summer,
Speaker 3: they are not going to be.
Speaker 2: Assuaged by the way you, as they see it, disabuse them,
Speaker 2: and what they're gonna do is.
Speaker 3: Take it away.
Speaker 1: Jake, yeahs act doubt. I mean, I'm sure you were
Speaker 1: the exception to this rule government. I looked at this story,
Speaker 1: which is a huge story at the end of the
Speaker 1: week in the New York Posts that mayor Mom Donnie's
Speaker 1: not a nice guy behind closed doors, and when the
Speaker 1: cameras are turned off and he treats his staff. I
Speaker 1: worked in Congress for some years, and I know some
Speaker 1: of these books. I think that most politicians are generally
Speaker 1: like this, especially I would say mayors of big cities,
Speaker 1: especially if they are how do you say it, basically
Speaker 1: kind of on the radical side. The big story for
Speaker 1: me that I think is much more of a takeaway
Speaker 1: is what you're just talking about. This is much more
Speaker 1: of a takeaway at America today. If you're gonna hire
Speaker 1: gen Z, employees need to understand this is not the
Speaker 1: typical young worker of the past. This gen Z even
Speaker 1: more than the millennial generation before them. You know, Mom,
Speaker 1: Donnie's a late stage Melodie's almost gen Z himself, he's
Speaker 1: that young, but he's a millennial. Gen Z is basically
Speaker 1: you know, twenties and younger, and they have been incredibly coddled,
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to their emotions. They are not
Speaker 1: ready for most of the work world, let alone a
Speaker 1: politician and that type of atmosphere. Working with the you know,
Speaker 1: basic it's like working with the celebrity. And I think
Speaker 1: you were probably one of the exceptions to the rule.
Speaker 1: But you've told us by plenty of times that you
Speaker 1: lost your temper sometimes when you were governor. And I
Speaker 1: think that that's fine. I think it's normal. Listen, people
Speaker 1: are are That's normal. But I think you're gonna hire
Speaker 1: people in their early twenties right out of college, now,
Speaker 1: you better be prepared for a much more thins talk
Speaker 1: about thin skin and much more thin skinned work force.
Speaker 1: And so the story to me here, Governor is not
Speaker 1: that the mayor is like this, but that so many
Speaker 1: people in the staff are clearly leaking this type of
Speaker 1: story about him because they've had their feelings hurt.
Speaker 3: And he had a couple of months. You know, he
Speaker 3: wins the mayoralty, wins the election on November the fourth,
Speaker 3: so he's got a whole two months to put that
Speaker 3: team together, and probably wanted to put a younger team
Speaker 3: together because young people are also known for, you know,
Speaker 3: going the extra yard when they believe in something. And
Speaker 3: I think he might have thought he was indoctrinating a
Speaker 3: bunch of young people, and maybe he was. But sometimes
Speaker 3: people have thinner skin than you think, and you could
Speaker 3: say a little thing that just you know, angers them,
Speaker 3: you know, that kind of thing. And now, when I
Speaker 3: was first elected I was thirty one, so when I hired,
Speaker 3: you know, a staff, and also a smaller staff because
Speaker 3: there was a state senator.
Speaker 2: They are about five or six of us.
Speaker 3: We're all about the same age, so in a lot
Speaker 3: of ways, we all understood each other. And you know,
Speaker 3: when I got upset about something, it wasn't like rage
Speaker 3: I felt it was it was disappointment. And I'd lay
Speaker 3: that out and everybody'd have this say, and some people
Speaker 3: listen to me and a few didn't, and we moved on.
Speaker 3: But this is kind of this is unique. And what's
Speaker 3: even more unique is that it would happen to me
Speaker 3: or I'm Donnie. I mean, I'm waiting for this to
Speaker 3: happen to you know, you know, some governor of Illinois
Speaker 3: or something like that.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, this is the guy who never had a
Speaker 1: real job either, let alone really had a staff. He
Speaker 1: wasn't assemblement for a short amount of time. They haven't
Speaker 1: even smaller staff. This is not someone who knows who
Speaker 1: it has, has any experience actually leading a staff. So
Speaker 1: it isn't just about the gen Z workers. But my
Speaker 1: advice to any elected official is to do what some
Speaker 1: of the people I work for. When I was an
Speaker 1: intern in Congress, do which is basically in the office
Speaker 1: and among the larger staff, be the same person you
Speaker 1: are with the voters. You're still basically pretend like you're
Speaker 1: campaigning with them too. And then you have one or
Speaker 1: two people that behind closed doors you really get into
Speaker 1: the nitty gritty with although I have to say, and
Speaker 1: I think you're one of these people also, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the things I'm most proud of is that
Speaker 1: what you see or what you hear on the radio
Speaker 1: and what you see when I do TV of Jake
Speaker 1: Novak is what you get. I'm the same person in
Speaker 1: all those different I do not have a different persona
Speaker 1: in different venues. So of course the best answer is
Speaker 1: to be a good person publicly, privately and all the time.
Speaker 1: And temper never works, it really doesn't. I mean, you
Speaker 1: can take someone behind the woodshed in a different way,
Speaker 1: but not in not in a way that looks like
Speaker 1: you've been enraged and you're out of control, you know.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, the candidate for governor on the republic Party, and
Speaker 3: this is not going to make or break this election,
Speaker 3: but he was on New York one and I'm having
Speaker 3: trouble remembering who the reporter was she's been there a
Speaker 3: long time. It was Honorka Pergament.
Speaker 1: Oh, I used to work there.
Speaker 3: You win the prize.
Speaker 1: I worked there a long time ago, twenty five years,
Speaker 1: twenty six years ago.
Speaker 3: Wow. So at one point he started questioning her, and
Speaker 3: she said, wait a minute, mister count executive, this is
Speaker 3: an interview. I'm interviewing you. I don't need you to
Speaker 3: ask me any questions. And it He was doing very
Speaker 3: well up to that point. It really kind of it
Speaker 3: kind of soured what was otherwise an excellent presentation on
Speaker 3: this bart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean, it's it's not easy to
Speaker 1: be It's one of the things that you have to
Speaker 1: work on it. It's not like I was born having
Speaker 1: this kind of persona. But all I can tell you
Speaker 1: is this is who I am publicly and privately. I
Speaker 1: don't have wild swings of rage at anyone. But I mean,
Speaker 1: to get back to the gen Z situation, I mean,
Speaker 1: I have two gen Z daughters, and one of them
Speaker 1: is out of college and has been working now for
Speaker 1: a year exactly. She was lucky enough to have a
Speaker 1: job waiting for her entire senior year of college. She's
Speaker 1: working at a not one of the top three banks,
Speaker 1: but one of the top ten banks in this country,
Speaker 1: not in New York, and it's a special program. And
Speaker 1: there's been times when she's been absolutely overjoyed with the job,
Speaker 1: and there's been times whence she hasn't been. And I've
Speaker 1: every time that she hasn't been, I've had to tell her, like, look,
Speaker 1: do what you can to make the situation better, but
Speaker 1: don't forget you have a really solid job when most
Speaker 1: of the kids your age don't understand that you mostly
Speaker 1: have been mostly happy with this job and you're mostly
Speaker 1: happy with your day to day life. If there's a
Speaker 1: three month period in the job when you're doing a
Speaker 1: different rotation when you're not happy, you have to decide
Speaker 1: is this worth jettising, jettisoning everything that you've been looking at?
Speaker 1: And I don't know if there's enough parent and so
Speaker 1: we're doing that. I just saw something in the Wall
Speaker 1: Street Journal this week. More evidently we've been hearing the
Speaker 1: story for about ten years now, but there's even more
Speaker 1: evidence now that parents of gen z are really getting
Speaker 1: involved in their kids' jobs, like talking to their bosses
Speaker 1: for them. What we were hearing these stories when they
Speaker 1: were going to interview. About ten years ago, stories were
Speaker 1: coming out from the corporate world that parents were showing
Speaker 1: up to their kids' job interviews, which is bad enough,
Speaker 1: but now they're apparently showing up to their jobs, coming
Speaker 1: with them contacting their bosses. You know, this is there's
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, there's a lot of reasons
Speaker 1: for this. This has a lot to do with We've
Speaker 1: now had more than fifty years of predominant to income households,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of parents in America, both
Speaker 1: fathers and mothers, are guilty about the time they didn't
Speaker 1: have with their kids, and they have had a hard
Speaker 1: time basically pushing them out of the nest because they
Speaker 1: never really had that full time with them in the
Speaker 1: first place. I think that that's a big part of it.
Speaker 1: But if you all I can tell you is if
Speaker 1: you are employed gen Z or if you were a
Speaker 1: parent of gen Z. But if you're employing gen Z,
Speaker 1: you need to be prepared for young people who are
Speaker 1: going to be a lot more touchy and unable to
Speaker 1: handle very simple things. I mean, I I started in
Speaker 1: the local news business, my first real out there jobs,
Speaker 1: not just like something where I was doing it for
Speaker 1: maybe a year, and you know we're crazy stories. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, things not things falling apart, bosses walking out
Speaker 1: never to return, things like that. And so I'm glad
Speaker 1: I had those experiences. I never never once occurred to
Speaker 1: me to call my parents or to leak to the
Speaker 1: newspaper and call the local newspaper and say, hey, my
Speaker 1: boss at the TV stations was mean to me. But
Speaker 1: we have to talk to our kids about this without
Speaker 1: without being rough. You know, you don't have to be rough,
Speaker 1: but you need to be honest with them,