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<v Speaker 1>This is the seventy seven w ABC Mini cast.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the Left versus the Right debates, heavyweight sludfest.

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<v Speaker 3>We're back on the air here at the left versus

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<v Speaker 3>the right, and I think we need a new category.

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<v Speaker 2>The left versus the right versus.

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<v Speaker 3>The young and the one who really has to deal

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<v Speaker 3>with this situation right now it's none other than zm

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<v Speaker 3>the mayor Zorin Mamdani, because in his ranks they have

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<v Speaker 3>started to talk about his temper, how he yells and

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<v Speaker 3>screams at people, how he walks around and doesn't talk

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<v Speaker 3>to people for hours at a time, which I find

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<v Speaker 3>not even possible. But he is learning what people who

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<v Speaker 3>take years to perfect this learned, which is if you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to hire a young staff, particularly over the summer,

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<v Speaker 3>they are not going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Assuaged by the way you, as they see it, disabuse them,

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<v Speaker 2>and what they're gonna do is.

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<v Speaker 3>Take it away.

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<v Speaker 1>Jake, yeahs act doubt. I mean, I'm sure you were

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<v Speaker 1>the exception to this rule government. I looked at this story,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a huge story at the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>week in the New York Posts that mayor Mom Donnie's

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<v Speaker 1>not a nice guy behind closed doors, and when the

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<v Speaker 1>cameras are turned off and he treats his staff. I

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<v Speaker 1>worked in Congress for some years, and I know some

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<v Speaker 1>of these books. I think that most politicians are generally

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<v Speaker 1>like this, especially I would say mayors of big cities,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if they are how do you say it, basically

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<v Speaker 1>kind of on the radical side. The big story for

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<v Speaker 1>me that I think is much more of a takeaway

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<v Speaker 1>is what you're just talking about. This is much more

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<v Speaker 1>of a takeaway at America today. If you're gonna hire

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<v Speaker 1>gen Z, employees need to understand this is not the

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<v Speaker 1>typical young worker of the past. This gen Z even

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<v Speaker 1>more than the millennial generation before them. You know, Mom,

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<v Speaker 1>Donnie's a late stage Melodie's almost gen Z himself, he's

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<v Speaker 1>that young, but he's a millennial. Gen Z is basically

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<v Speaker 1>you know, twenties and younger, and they have been incredibly coddled,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when it comes to their emotions. They are not

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<v Speaker 1>ready for most of the work world, let alone a

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<v Speaker 1>politician and that type of atmosphere. Working with the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>basic it's like working with the celebrity. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>you were probably one of the exceptions to the rule.

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<v Speaker 1>But you've told us by plenty of times that you

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<v Speaker 1>lost your temper sometimes when you were governor. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that that's fine. I think it's normal. Listen, people

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<v Speaker 1>are are That's normal. But I think you're gonna hire

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<v Speaker 1>people in their early twenties right out of college, now,

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<v Speaker 1>you better be prepared for a much more thins talk

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<v Speaker 1>about thin skin and much more thin skinned work force.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the story to me here, Governor is not

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<v Speaker 1>that the mayor is like this, but that so many

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<v Speaker 1>people in the staff are clearly leaking this type of

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<v Speaker 1>story about him because they've had their feelings hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>And he had a couple of months. You know, he

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<v Speaker 3>wins the mayoralty, wins the election on November the fourth,

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<v Speaker 3>so he's got a whole two months to put that

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<v Speaker 3>team together, and probably wanted to put a younger team

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<v Speaker 3>together because young people are also known for, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>going the extra yard when they believe in something. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think he might have thought he was indoctrinating a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of young people, and maybe he was. But sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>people have thinner skin than you think, and you could

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<v Speaker 3>say a little thing that just you know, angers them,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, that kind of thing. And now, when I

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<v Speaker 3>was first elected I was thirty one, so when I hired,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a staff, and also a smaller staff because

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<v Speaker 3>there was a state senator.

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<v Speaker 2>They are about five or six of us.

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<v Speaker 3>We're all about the same age, so in a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of ways, we all understood each other. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>when I got upset about something, it wasn't like rage

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<v Speaker 3>I felt it was it was disappointment. And I'd lay

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<v Speaker 3>that out and everybody'd have this say, and some people

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<v Speaker 3>listen to me and a few didn't, and we moved on.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is kind of this is unique. And what's

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<v Speaker 3>even more unique is that it would happen to me

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<v Speaker 3>or I'm Donnie. I mean, I'm waiting for this to

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<v Speaker 3>happen to you know, you know, some governor of Illinois

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<v Speaker 3>or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, listen, this is the guy who never had a

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<v Speaker 1>real job either, let alone really had a staff. He

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't assemblement for a short amount of time. They haven't

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<v Speaker 1>even smaller staff. This is not someone who knows who

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<v Speaker 1>it has, has any experience actually leading a staff. So

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<v Speaker 1>it isn't just about the gen Z workers. But my

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<v Speaker 1>advice to any elected official is to do what some

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<v Speaker 1>of the people I work for. When I was an

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<v Speaker 1>intern in Congress, do which is basically in the office

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<v Speaker 1>and among the larger staff, be the same person you

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<v Speaker 1>are with the voters. You're still basically pretend like you're

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<v Speaker 1>campaigning with them too. And then you have one or

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<v Speaker 1>two people that behind closed doors you really get into

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<v Speaker 1>the nitty gritty with although I have to say, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're one of these people also, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things I'm most proud of is that

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<v Speaker 1>what you see or what you hear on the radio

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<v Speaker 1>and what you see when I do TV of Jake

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<v Speaker 1>Novak is what you get. I'm the same person in

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<v Speaker 1>all those different I do not have a different persona

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<v Speaker 1>in different venues. So of course the best answer is

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<v Speaker 1>to be a good person publicly, privately and all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And temper never works, it really doesn't. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>can take someone behind the woodshed in a different way,

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<v Speaker 1>but not in not in a way that looks like

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<v Speaker 1>you've been enraged and you're out of control, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately, the candidate for governor on the republic Party, and

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<v Speaker 3>this is not going to make or break this election,

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<v Speaker 3>but he was on New York one and I'm having

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<v Speaker 3>trouble remembering who the reporter was she's been there a

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<v Speaker 3>long time. It was Honorka Pergament.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I used to work there.

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<v Speaker 3>You win the prize.

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<v Speaker 1>I worked there a long time ago, twenty five years,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow. So at one point he started questioning her, and

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<v Speaker 3>she said, wait a minute, mister count executive, this is

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<v Speaker 3>an interview. I'm interviewing you. I don't need you to

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<v Speaker 3>ask me any questions. And it He was doing very

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<v Speaker 3>well up to that point. It really kind of it

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<v Speaker 3>kind of soured what was otherwise an excellent presentation on

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<v Speaker 3>this bart.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I mean, it's it's not easy to

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<v Speaker 1>be It's one of the things that you have to

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<v Speaker 1>work on it. It's not like I was born having

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of persona. But all I can tell you

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<v Speaker 1>is this is who I am publicly and privately. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have wild swings of rage at anyone. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>to get back to the gen Z situation, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I have two gen Z daughters, and one of them

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<v Speaker 1>is out of college and has been working now for

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<v Speaker 1>a year exactly. She was lucky enough to have a

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<v Speaker 1>job waiting for her entire senior year of college. She's

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<v Speaker 1>working at a not one of the top three banks,

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<v Speaker 1>but one of the top ten banks in this country,

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<v Speaker 1>not in New York, and it's a special program. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's been times when she's been absolutely overjoyed with the job,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's been times whence she hasn't been. And I've

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<v Speaker 1>every time that she hasn't been, I've had to tell her, like, look,

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<v Speaker 1>do what you can to make the situation better, but

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<v Speaker 1>don't forget you have a really solid job when most

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<v Speaker 1>of the kids your age don't understand that you mostly

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<v Speaker 1>have been mostly happy with this job and you're mostly

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<v Speaker 1>happy with your day to day life. If there's a

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<v Speaker 1>three month period in the job when you're doing a

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<v Speaker 1>different rotation when you're not happy, you have to decide

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<v Speaker 1>is this worth jettising, jettisoning everything that you've been looking at?

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if there's enough parent and so

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing that. I just saw something in the Wall

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<v Speaker 1>Street Journal this week. More evidently we've been hearing the

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<v Speaker 1>story for about ten years now, but there's even more

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<v Speaker 1>evidence now that parents of gen z are really getting

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<v Speaker 1>involved in their kids' jobs, like talking to their bosses

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<v Speaker 1>for them. What we were hearing these stories when they

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<v Speaker 1>were going to interview. About ten years ago, stories were

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<v Speaker 1>coming out from the corporate world that parents were showing

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<v Speaker 1>up to their kids' job interviews, which is bad enough,

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<v Speaker 1>but now they're apparently showing up to their jobs, coming

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<v Speaker 1>with them contacting their bosses. You know, this is there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of you know, there's a lot of reasons

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<v Speaker 1>for this. This has a lot to do with We've

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<v Speaker 1>now had more than fifty years of predominant to income households,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think a lot of parents in America, both

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<v Speaker 1>fathers and mothers, are guilty about the time they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have with their kids, and they have had a hard

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<v Speaker 1>time basically pushing them out of the nest because they

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<v Speaker 1>never really had that full time with them in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place. I think that that's a big part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you all I can tell you is if

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<v Speaker 1>you are employed gen Z or if you were a

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<v Speaker 1>parent of gen Z. But if you're employing gen Z,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to be prepared for young people who are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a lot more touchy and unable to

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<v Speaker 1>handle very simple things. I mean, I I started in

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<v Speaker 1>the local news business, my first real out there jobs,

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<v Speaker 1>not just like something where I was doing it for

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a year, and you know we're crazy stories. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, things not things falling apart, bosses walking out

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<v Speaker 1>never to return, things like that. And so I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>I had those experiences. I never never once occurred to

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<v Speaker 1>me to call my parents or to leak to the

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper and call the local newspaper and say, hey, my

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<v Speaker 1>boss at the TV stations was mean to me. But

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<v Speaker 1>we have to talk to our kids about this without

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<v Speaker 1>without being rough. You know, you don't have to be rough,

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<v Speaker 1>but you need to be honest with them,