Speaker 1: Oh that's are.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: This is the Cult of Conspiracy and my name is Jonathan,
Speaker 3: I'm Jagram. Tonight is the Cult member live show tonight.
Speaker 2: Baby, go ahead, let's do this live thing, y'all. Fuck
Speaker 2: you will do it live.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it's called it's called for. I would say
Speaker 3: that we had a great conversation earlier with Stellium seven man.
Speaker 3: That guy, holy shit, we've had him on several times before.
Speaker 2: He was the one.
Speaker 3: He was one of the guys that was saying, uh
Speaker 3: that a lot of older rocks are like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: giant animal parts or something.
Speaker 2: No, he thinks they're human hearts from back in the
Speaker 2: day that like got petrified. And my question has always
Speaker 2: been for why just the heart, Like if it's a
Speaker 2: if it's enough to cook and petrify a muscle grouping
Speaker 2: or an organ or something, why just the hearts?
Speaker 3: But like Jacob, don't believe shit, so you know, you're
Speaker 3: you're more of a tougher cookie to crack, which I
Speaker 3: get it. I'm actually happy that we have that over here,
Speaker 3: like because I'm the one I believe everything, you know,
Speaker 3: Like I'm just like, oh shit, all right, I can
Speaker 3: see it. I can see it, you know, but you
Speaker 3: need you know. I'm the head in the clouds, hear
Speaker 3: the feet on the ground. That's that's what this show
Speaker 3: is all about.
Speaker 2: Baby, this is our dichotomy. But with that being said,
Speaker 2: our boy from Stelliam seven, what I didn't know about
Speaker 2: him is that he is the first confirmed arrest and
Speaker 2: imprisonment ever done for hacking computer hacking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Blue what Mike Wilgerson back in the uh
Speaker 3: what was it in the eighties, I believe maybe early
Speaker 3: nineties something like that. Yeah, he Yeah, that show is
Speaker 3: going to be coming out, dude, And it's actually a
Speaker 3: weird synchronicity. That show is actually coming out on Friday,
Speaker 3: and that will be the fortieth anniversary since he got arrested.
Speaker 2: I mean, for real, he did nothing with that for
Speaker 2: the record, Like he didn't go in and defraud a
Speaker 2: major corporation or steal from a bank. He basically was
Speaker 2: just fucking around and the fact that he was able
Speaker 2: to successfully hack into a couple of big servers was
Speaker 2: enough to get him imprisoned. But like, he didn't do
Speaker 2: anything the farious and he even showed everything. It's like, yo,
Speaker 2: I I was just doing this and this, and then
Speaker 2: even the media was like this kid went on a
Speaker 2: digital joy ride and it's like and hurt. Who whom
Speaker 2: was the afflicted party from his antics? Not one?
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's funny because in the uh, in the
Speaker 3: newspaper it kept on saying, cracker jack hack, you know,
Speaker 3: just just got just got cracked or something like that.
Speaker 3: And it was like, man, newspapers back in the day
Speaker 3: really were different.
Speaker 2: Fucking nineteen years old and you're just kind of dicking
Speaker 2: off with your computer, your old doss system and shit,
Speaker 2: and next thing you know, you're getting a knock on
Speaker 2: the door saying, you know, you've been served and you're
Speaker 2: getting sentenced to time because you you were just dicking off.
Speaker 2: Like it wasn't It wasn't even like you could see
Speaker 2: digital like printouts. There wasn't even pictures on the internet
Speaker 2: at this time. You ever seen Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Yeah,
Speaker 2: of course, you remember the very beginning of the movie
Speaker 2: where he's on his computer and he changed his absentee
Speaker 2: record from like nine to like two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah that. It was fucking that, Yeah, he did.
Speaker 3: He wasn't trying to gain anything out of it. It
Speaker 3: was just a see if I can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, very conversation.
Speaker 3: That guy is a very interesting man like he I
Speaker 3: believe he lives in Spain and he travels all over
Speaker 3: Europe and South America and stuff like that. At all
Speaker 3: these like conspiracy conferences and stuff, I'm like, dude, what
Speaker 3: are we doing with our life? We should be doing
Speaker 3: shit like that. But kids, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: I was a kids and responsibilities and shit. Listen, when
Speaker 2: I get to be his age, hopefully I would just
Speaker 2: be in that manner, just going wherever the wind takes me.
Speaker 2: But as of now, I got I got duties.
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of duties, man, I'm looking around and I
Speaker 3: don't see Timothy, unfortunately, because that was gonna be a
Speaker 3: fun conversation, okauz we ad we didn't get into a
Speaker 3: lot of the ship that was going on in the
Speaker 3: chat Timothy.
Speaker 2: Last week, where are you at, buddy? It's Halloween month, baby,
Speaker 2: let's get let's get spooky. Okay, Yeah, apparently last week
Speaker 2: in the chat, we didn't even see it. I like
Speaker 2: went back and looked for it. But somebody out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: no one asked for this, No why I was talking
Speaker 2: about this, whatsoever? Somebody decided I think slavery is a
Speaker 2: good thing. Changed my mind. And at first it was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: perhaps somebody's just kind of kicking the hornet's nest just
Speaker 2: for the lulls, you know, being not just then now
Speaker 2: right right, just you know, maybe this person's doing it
Speaker 2: to be an asshole and like it's it's mint in jest.
Speaker 2: But boy, and that the chat read very differently. Apparently
Speaker 2: this was this was not the way, and uh, you know, hey,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe that's why he's not here. Maybe it's a
Speaker 2: work scheduled thing. Maybe the cult members kind of scared
Speaker 2: him away. I don't know. I just saw the chat
Speaker 2: saying where's Pickle Yo. We do not know Jamie has
Speaker 2: fallen off the grid and and we don't know what
Speaker 2: the fuck is up with him. Something doesn't necessarily had
Speaker 2: to have happened to him.
Speaker 3: Maybe he just moved on. Maybe he's got some shit
Speaker 3: going on his life. I mean, you know, I mean
Speaker 3: people go through shit, and not even suggesting that he's
Speaker 3: actually even going through something. Maybe he just found like
Speaker 3: a I don't know, maybe a better podcast to listen
Speaker 3: to or something I don't know.
Speaker 2: Or I mean, maybe he's got a new work schedule
Speaker 2: there he's working Tuesday nights. Like I don't know, but
Speaker 2: to our understanding, nothing negative has happened to him. But yeah,
Speaker 2: he hasn't been on the live in a few weeks.
Speaker 2: Jamie Jameo, I know you're listening, bro, come back to
Speaker 2: the cult man Rick it is. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But getting over to the chat, I yeah, it's it's
Speaker 3: starting to get a little wild in the chat, so
Speaker 3: we got to catch up to it. Rose Chaos said, Yo,
Speaker 3: fam whatever.
Speaker 2: Rose, what up? Rose? You're here every Tuesday. I love it.
Speaker 3: Most of you guys are, and that's why it turns
Speaker 3: into like, that's why it's such a beautiful like family
Speaker 3: that we've created over here, because it's like a tradition.
Speaker 3: Everybody in the know kind of meets up at the
Speaker 3: same place at the same day on the same time.
Speaker 3: It's all awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude. I also, uh just went back and caught
Speaker 2: up on the chat. I let the Patreon chat get
Speaker 2: away from me for a couple of days. My apologies.
Speaker 2: I'll know, I don't really check it over the weekends,
Speaker 2: but uh, I didn't answer anything yesterday I should have,
Speaker 2: so I went back and answered everything this evening. Bro.
Speaker 2: I think we now confirmed have our youngest cult member, Homeboy,
Speaker 2: just turned nineteen and he lives in England. Oh, I
Speaker 2: was expecting a little younger. How old a spirit animal?
Speaker 2: What are you like? Twenty one? Twenty two? What old
Speaker 2: is he?
Speaker 4: I turned twenty seven in June?
Speaker 2: Bubble, d you look like a child.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you still get You're gonna get carted until
Speaker 3: you turn sixty.
Speaker 5: Probably, dude, I.
Speaker 4: Shoot you not.
Speaker 1: I shaved off and I look like I'm in like
Speaker 1: a a about a hit nineteen. It's not me joking that.
Speaker 1: That's me having a goat. I get id'd even by
Speaker 1: my uncle, who everything. He's the sheriff, he's a Sam
Speaker 1: needs an idea, But motherfucker.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's not necessarily a bad thing, you know.
Speaker 3: It just means you're gonna age slower gracefully. Yeah, each
Speaker 3: I find wine, but that's a good thing. But you know, Sam,
Speaker 3: he's got them Asian jeans.
Speaker 2: But because our program is not meant for children, right,
Speaker 2: and I don't know, we may have a thirteen year
Speaker 2: old cult member out there. I fucking hope not. All right,
Speaker 2: if you're that young listening to us, we need to
Speaker 2: talk to your parents.
Speaker 3: But no, look, there is no proper age to open
Speaker 3: up that third eye, sir.
Speaker 2: Some of the things we talk about are definitely not
Speaker 2: for uh, for the youths.
Speaker 3: I mean, so that's probably not a good idea.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: You know, apparently Wu Tang Clan was for the children,
Speaker 2: but the cult conspiracy we're for the adults. That that
Speaker 2: should go without saying. But as of this moment, our
Speaker 2: youngest confirmed cult member nineteen years old from I think
Speaker 2: he said, Lincolnshire, England. So it's pretty cool to hear
Speaker 2: from like people from across the pond and I see
Speaker 2: you Joe from the other pond across that way, which
Speaker 2: this is cool. I like this. I like how our
Speaker 2: community is growing and including so many different people from
Speaker 2: so many different walks of life. The shit's badass. Yeah,
Speaker 2: don't believe nothing. You had your hand up.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're telling me to believe everything
Speaker 3: with that double negative.
Speaker 2: Not sure.
Speaker 7: I will say that. My one child is like tries
Speaker 7: constantly to listen to this every Tuesday, is like lurking,
Speaker 7: and I'm like, no, this isn't that for you all? Yeah,
Speaker 7: I'm like no, no, no, you're eleven, go away.
Speaker 2: I don't even let my own kids listen to this.
Speaker 2: And even so, my oldest he asked me if he
Speaker 2: could listen to my Cajun Nights show that I shoot
Speaker 2: every Wednesday night. Go check it out on Patreon, you know.
Speaker 2: But I was like so at first, Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: have a problem with it. The first episode that he
Speaker 2: started watching, within five minutes, we're talking about child sex
Speaker 2: trafficking rings, and it's like, never fucking mind, new new. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't need him to be unaware of the world
Speaker 2: he's living in. Yes, but at the same time, there's
Speaker 2: a way to present some very negative concepts to your
Speaker 2: child on a podcast as you're you know, talking about
Speaker 2: it in this manner is not the way that I
Speaker 2: personally want to tell my kids about the evil of
Speaker 2: this world. So it's like, yeah, yeah, never mind, Okay, Nope,
Speaker 2: probably not a good idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my nieces and nephew and my daughter, they every
Speaker 3: time I go over there, well not my daughter, but
Speaker 3: everybody over there on my sister's side, every time I
Speaker 3: go over there, open up that third eye, they just
Speaker 3: like scream it.
Speaker 2: It's hilarious. Oh dude. It depends on which group of
Speaker 2: my family members I'm around. Some of them don't understand
Speaker 2: like the podcasting game or how long we've been doing this.
Speaker 2: So some of them that are kind of out of
Speaker 2: the loop on it, like, so, uh, how's your little
Speaker 2: podcast going? And I'm like, my little podcast is uh
Speaker 2: becoming my career and it's doing very well. And then
Speaker 2: other family members are like super into it and they're like, bro,
Speaker 2: tell me everything. What's the latest. What have you been
Speaker 2: looking into what? I'm like, Bro, it's Tuesday and by
Speaker 2: now I've looked into five different things and it's not
Speaker 2: even lunchtime yet, Like it's very difficult for me to
Speaker 2: answer that question, man. And then next thing you know,
Speaker 2: I'm at a Thanksgiving gathering and somebody asked me what
Speaker 2: adrenochrome is and I'm like, fux see I did. I
Speaker 2: don't want to do this at a family get together.
Speaker 2: But now I'll be that kid, not.
Speaker 4: That's my job.
Speaker 2: I am that uncle sitting across the table at the
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving gathering. That's just ruining it for everybody else. They
Speaker 2: know better than to ask me questions. I'll say that much.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, dude, So Joe said, good afternoon, Raven Lee said,
Speaker 3: hey everyone, Spirit Animals said about to win a one
Speaker 3: v two me versus my brother and his friend. It's
Speaker 3: nine to nothing on Rocket League. It's been a minute
Speaker 3: since I played in Rocket League.
Speaker 2: Class Rocket League is That's that's what's up.
Speaker 3: I just discourage whenever I see everybody flying, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I can't do that.
Speaker 2: I mean, you just set the game parameters to where
Speaker 2: there's no rockets. It's more fun with them. But I
Speaker 2: will say that you can't keep it basic if you
Speaker 2: want to go that way. It's like it is the
Speaker 2: new version of uh one v one in Rust. You
Speaker 2: remember that.
Speaker 3: It reminds me kind of like of twisted Metal.
Speaker 2: Actually, okay, okay, but it's just like, you know, if
Speaker 2: you have a disagreement with your buddy, it's like, you
Speaker 2: know what, meet me and Rust, motherfucker. And it was
Speaker 2: this one map that was like way too small to
Speaker 2: have any kind of real like you know, team death
Speaker 2: match that was worth the fuck, But one v one
Speaker 2: on Rust that's where we draw the line on whose
Speaker 2: man and whose child? In this conversation, Rocket League is
Speaker 2: becoming that and I'm fucking here for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pop culture now, spirit Adam, We'll go ahead.
Speaker 1: Sir, So I'm not that great at as. I only
Speaker 1: have like five hundred and seventy hours in the game.
Speaker 4: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's over the spen of like two years.
Speaker 1: So I'm not that great at it. Well, I'm good
Speaker 1: enough where I can fuck up my buddy, who who's
Speaker 1: my brother? He no, lies it a lot. He's that
Speaker 1: like diamond and we do threes. He got me doing
Speaker 1: a tournament last night. I was, yeah, I was doing
Speaker 1: But I'm a I'm definitely a solos player.
Speaker 2: It's fun.
Speaker 4: Get me, Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 2: But my son fucking trounces me in anything video game,
Speaker 2: which is cool in one sense, but another sense. I
Speaker 2: just introduced him to Double oh seven Golden Eye and
Speaker 2: he's like, wait, well, how do you do this? And
Speaker 2: it's like, ah, yes, let me teach you the old ways.
Speaker 1: Dude, drop the mind in the hate stat Yeah, I
Speaker 1: actually still have that. I still have my sixty four,
Speaker 1: my grandmother's and all uh I had. I had the
Speaker 1: Donkey Kong Island three D and Don Kong went around
Speaker 1: with a banana gun.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, bringing it all the way. They just don't
Speaker 3: make games like they used to.
Speaker 4: They don't have the passion.
Speaker 2: Right, we'll see e A just got bought out by
Speaker 2: the Saudis, so it's very possible that we're going to
Speaker 2: see some unhinged video games come out. So maybe we can.
Speaker 3: Get another version of Madden since we've had the same
Speaker 3: fucking one for twenty years. You know, it's like the iPhone.
Speaker 3: They just don't know how to make it better anymore.
Speaker 2: Let's just bring back NFL Blitz and quit playing with
Speaker 2: the dumb shit Due Union.
Speaker 3: Yeah with that, the Big d said that too, Pop
Speaker 3: goes the weasel said, what's up.
Speaker 2: Beautiful people, Tony coming in with the smoke? I love it, dude.
Speaker 2: Good evening, nephelim are still fake.
Speaker 3: Send your hate to me, not to Jonathan ah shit
Speaker 3: coming from He's.
Speaker 2: Here for all the smoke. How dare you? You didn't
Speaker 2: even read the Bible, Tony. You're not even a believer, Tony.
Speaker 2: You don't deserve to have an opinion on this, Tony.
Speaker 2: That's all. Tony might be the one of the most
Speaker 2: stirring of the pot Christians I've ever met in my life. Like,
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying that in a demeaning way. Everybody's
Speaker 2: inside of their onions and you know, I respect Tony's
Speaker 2: opinion immensely, but like, yeah, most of the Book of
Speaker 2: Genesis is probably just bullshit, and it's like break whoa
Speaker 2: how bro?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 2: But here's a white hat, right, Yes, Tony is here
Speaker 2: just collecting the smoke like it's fucking pokemon. I swear
Speaker 2: to God, dude, I love it. Uh, Joelle, what to
Speaker 2: do my dude, dude?
Speaker 8: I just want to say about that about last week
Speaker 8: the guy that came on here and straight up started saying,
Speaker 8: you have no right to talk about the Bible because
Speaker 8: you haven't read it. He was so strong and firm
Speaker 8: in his beliefs, and he was really strong and firmanent
Speaker 8: his beliefs about the slavery too, apparently, but look how
Speaker 8: bad fast he backtracked about that.
Speaker 2: So how can you take his beliefs.
Speaker 9: On his faith?
Speaker 2: So how can we take that? I think's thelation?
Speaker 8: If he within an hour he was like, no, never mind,
Speaker 8: I changed my mind on slavery. Won't Maybe we can
Speaker 8: lean his mind, but the butt.
Speaker 2: But even still, the indentered servitude conversation, like look, okay, yes,
Speaker 2: there is a clear difference between slavery and indentured servants,
Speaker 2: but keeping even Biblically speaking, you could beat the shit
Speaker 2: out of your indentured servants and rape them and all
Speaker 2: of the things. They were your slave, but it had
Speaker 2: an end date. That was the only fucking difference. And then, oh,
Speaker 2: you couldn't hit them more than forty times because that
Speaker 2: was reserved only for animals. You know, that's facts. But
Speaker 2: you could beat the fuck out of them thirty nine
Speaker 2: times for an offense, and then thirty nine more times
Speaker 2: for a separate offense, and thirty times more. It didn't
Speaker 2: make it that much of a difference. It was like anyway, it's.
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, Like I'm not I'm not
Speaker 8: saying anything about like people are religious that are religious
Speaker 8: in general. I'm just saying him, see, hey, I'm so
Speaker 8: offended that you is what I believe in, and you
Speaker 8: shoul gonna say this about what I believe in. But
Speaker 8: then once he was serious about slavery thing, and then
Speaker 8: I'll look at her backtrack, he was like, nevermind, guy, sorry,
Speaker 8: I believe in slavery anymore.
Speaker 2: Like all right, yeah, listen, y'all, that's not how Christians
Speaker 2: are supposed to take the book. I feel like I
Speaker 2: shouldn't have to say that, but fucking hell. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody's cool with slavery until they are one, and
Speaker 3: then they're against it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It's one of those things.
Speaker 2: I'm for the record, I'm a Christian who's not cool
Speaker 2: with slavery, and I've never been one. I just were
Speaker 2: all clear on the same page here. I don't think
Speaker 2: we need to like I didn't actually think we needed
Speaker 2: to have that conversation in twenty twenty five, but for
Speaker 2: fuck's sake, here we are. But the internet, we're all clear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one ring to rule them all what to.
Speaker 7: Do, just just so weird clear. He's just like I
Speaker 7: actually screenshoted it. He says that biblical time, slavery was
Speaker 7: a good thing and that going into slavery to buy
Speaker 7: a house he would do for his family at any point.
Speaker 7: He also goes on to talk about how you know slavery,
Speaker 7: the slaves shouldn't be murdered, but if the slave steals
Speaker 7: from their master, including digital servitudes, then they should have
Speaker 7: their hands cut off. Like he tripled tripled down on.
Speaker 7: As I explained to him what it meant, he was like, No,
Speaker 7: slavery is a good thing. So like good old Timothay
Speaker 7: when you're ready to have that fight. I'm here for
Speaker 7: you in every capacity.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, bringing the receipts, you know.
Speaker 3: And I I mean, look, I don't like to talk
Speaker 3: shit about behind people's back or anything like that.
Speaker 2: But it was kind of warranted.
Speaker 3: We we forgot to mention I don't want to say
Speaker 3: we forgot to mention it. I didn't know that that
Speaker 3: was going on, so that's why we decided to just
Speaker 3: glaze over it.
Speaker 2: And that was on me.
Speaker 3: I mean, he deserved all the smoke. But he's he's
Speaker 3: a young guy. What is he twenty four or something
Speaker 3: like that. I don't know anymore. I thought Samuel was thirteen.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know how what he was. And again, Timothy,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you're gonna be listening to this tomorrow or whenever.
Speaker 2: You might even jump in this later on this evening.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Boot I'm hoping that now, because you
Speaker 2: tripled the fuck down, I'm hoping that you've seen the
Speaker 2: error of your ways and in the past week you've
Speaker 2: done a fair amount of research and soul searching, and
Speaker 2: that you will come back with a whole different outlook
Speaker 2: and perspective. But yeah, you brought that one onto yourself,
Speaker 2: big dog. I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 3: He probably can't cancel his Patreon membership already.
Speaker 2: Not no, he still has it, I know that much.
Speaker 2: But like you gotta understand that's Can you imagine somebody
Speaker 2: saying that, like you know, Lynch mobs were actually a
Speaker 2: really good thing that protected the nbel himself. Change my mind.
Speaker 2: It's like whoa, whoa, All right, so you're just you're
Speaker 2: you're wanting heat, you're wanting smoke, and then immediately after
Speaker 2: that be like, okay, maybe they weren't good, but Jim
Speaker 2: Crow laws were cool, but anyway, moving on, It's like no, no, no, no, no, motherfucker, no,
Speaker 2: you brought this on yourself. Don't get mad when the
Speaker 2: world comes down on you.
Speaker 3: But ye, all right, Dougie my blunkin sir, what it do?
Speaker 10: Man, Jonathan, I got some meat for you.
Speaker 2: Let's go, baby. You've been attacking.
Speaker 10: Santa Claus on the last few episodes. You called him fat,
Speaker 10: he said he didn't exist, well, he eats his cookies.
Speaker 10: This is terrible, I believe in Santa.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to break it to you, brother, but no,
Speaker 3: sh all I was trying to say is that he's like,
Speaker 3: you know, an eggregre basically right, like a tulpa.
Speaker 10: And he's real because we believe in him.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I think that everybody that believes in something makes it real.
Speaker 3: I'm not even trying to diminish it. That was That's
Speaker 3: kind of my magical mind how it goes about it.
Speaker 10: You're getting cold for Christmas. You were pretty rude on him,
Speaker 10: and you attacked I keep pulling asleep on these things
Speaker 10: because of the time difference. You attacked Jacob on that
Speaker 10: uh Noah's Ark episode. Oh yeah, he gotta protect my man.
Speaker 10: I'm glad you apologized.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what that. I didn't mean that apology.
Speaker 3: I take it all the way back.
Speaker 2: Oh no, but we believed it though, Jonathan, we believed it.
Speaker 2: Do you believe so it happened exactly? It's true to
Speaker 2: your heart, sir.
Speaker 10: You have me cracking up so bad about like the
Speaker 10: mama dog eating the down syndrome pups. All I kept
Speaker 10: thinking about was if someone had incest and you know,
Speaker 10: like with their sister, would the sister have to eat
Speaker 10: the down syndrome babies.
Speaker 2: Probably automatically ones? Oh my goodness.
Speaker 10: That was a great episode, by the way, Thank you
Speaker 10: appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Dude, that ship there. I didn't know that about dogs
Speaker 2: realistically until a couple of years ago. I was looking
Speaker 2: into breeding my dog and my dad, who bred amstaffs,
Speaker 2: which are like second cousins to pippules. He told me that.
Speaker 2: He's like, listen, don't get freaked out whenever you come
Speaker 2: home and find this. Around that time, my neighbor had
Speaker 2: bred a litter of bully pits, and they came home
Speaker 2: and there was like three out of the seven were gone,
Speaker 2: and there was like a couple of rib cages and
Speaker 2: a leg left, and it was like a whole thing.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, oh, for real, for real, and
Speaker 2: like it's like, no, no, dear, We'll even eat their
Speaker 2: babies if something's fucked up with the kid. Like that's
Speaker 2: how this goes in the in the world of nature.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, so humans are the only ones
Speaker 2: that like coddle like that? Interesting? Okay, cool.
Speaker 10: I do have one more thing for Jonathan. If you
Speaker 10: notice the round earth in the background, sir, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm aware.
Speaker 3: And as a matter of fact, let me do you
Speaker 3: one better baby.
Speaker 2: Oh go fellow globe tart up. Look at that. What
Speaker 2: is this the roundness?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the desktop, and I don't know. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: it's kind of just a regular one.
Speaker 2: But Dougie, you're in Philly, correct.
Speaker 10: I'm right outside of Philly, like about forty five minutes
Speaker 10: to an hour away.
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, dude, I look forward to meeting you in
Speaker 2: November when I make my way that way.
Speaker 10: Yeah, keep in touch absolutely, fuck yeah yeah, and then
Speaker 10: we can talk about the round earth. I believe in it.
Speaker 2: It is, Jacob. It's really sorry, Jath No, that's okay.
Speaker 2: I mean, hey, I'm okay with people poking fun at me.
Speaker 2: That's only right.
Speaker 3: Poke fun at everybody else's beliefs.
Speaker 2: It's a fun thing in my head. It's a globe.
Speaker 3: No, that thing is flat, dude. That thing is flat.
Speaker 3: I can see over the curve and.
Speaker 2: Quite globular. Spirit animal, go ahead, sir.
Speaker 4: Yeah sorry.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about the episode that y'all y'all
Speaker 1: did about the Katars and all, and how they were
Speaker 1: treated at like lepers, and then how the lepers were
Speaker 1: really outcast and they really shouldn't have been able to
Speaker 1: do anything.
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't the Cathars. It was what was it
Speaker 3: the could go, could go?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry. Anyway, he was about the lepers. Do
Speaker 1: y'all not remember King Baldwin of Jerusalem, the letter King?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, after he had had like one of the most
Speaker 2: successful victories against Saladin on the ball.
Speaker 4: Had to wait until he died.
Speaker 2: It's mind blowing that a kid that young who had like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he had a background and he was brought up to
Speaker 2: be a military leader in this way. I get that.
Speaker 2: But even still, Saladin was one of the greatest generals
Speaker 2: in history, almost bar none. And I mean, yeah, you
Speaker 2: can make the argument that Scipio was better, and you
Speaker 2: can make the argument that Julius Caesar was better. There
Speaker 2: have been some that were better. I understand that, but
Speaker 2: especially of the Middle Ages, Saladin was s tier as
Speaker 2: far as generals go. And he was getting fucking dunked
Speaker 2: on by a twenty one year old leper. It's mind blowing.
Speaker 2: But they actually had an immense respect for each other.
Speaker 3: So I was imagine if you had like like regular
Speaker 3: like today's day and age commentary on those battles that
Speaker 3: were going on back in the day, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 3: here he goes, he is getting t bag for the wind,
Speaker 3: you know, just like dumb ship like that.
Speaker 1: We need Logan and Pat mcfe as the commentators.
Speaker 3: Yes, that'd be dope, Yes, it would be white boy, wizard.
Speaker 5: Girl.
Speaker 2: What up, little girl.
Speaker 9: I just wanted to say, how much of trust m
Speaker 9: like our poor Jacob here. You know, he loves his
Speaker 9: Bible on the truths, but in my opinion, that Bible
Speaker 9: says for unless we live in a snow bloat and.
Speaker 2: He's just like.
Speaker 9: Just trips me out.
Speaker 5: I'm still not sold one way.
Speaker 3: But why dividing the waters from the waters?
Speaker 2: How do you explain that, Jacob? Like, just forget the firmament.
Speaker 3: But what is what are the waters that are dividing
Speaker 3: from the waters? I mean, are we saying that space
Speaker 3: is water up like actual water, not fluid like a gas.
Speaker 2: I mean like it's said water. Okay, I understand. And
Speaker 2: we're also talking about the dudes writing this in I mean,
Speaker 2: arguably Moses was the first person to put pen to
Speaker 2: paper to write the Torah, which is where that is
Speaker 2: talked about with the firmament and the separation of the
Speaker 2: waters and these things the Book of Genesis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's not through their interpretation. It's literally messages
Speaker 3: from God, is it not.
Speaker 2: I do believe that yes, no, no, no, I believe
Speaker 2: that it's divinely inspired word from the Lord. Yes, I'm
Speaker 2: with you one hundred percent. That being said, I don't
Speaker 2: believe that that is the all encompassing explanation to everything. Ever,
Speaker 2: Like the Bible tells us nothing about the rings around Saturn,
Speaker 2: so clearly there's no rings around Saturn. No, no, it's
Speaker 2: just not important enough to make it to the book.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, but I mean we're not really too concerned
Speaker 3: about Saturn. Talking about Earth here, I think that's a
Speaker 3: little bit more important than the rings around Saturn.
Speaker 2: It is, and I'm making an example. Right. They don't
Speaker 2: tell us every single thing there is to know about
Speaker 2: every single thing. He's giving us the bare bones answer
Speaker 2: of here A plus B equal C. And if you
Speaker 2: want to go deeper into it, you totally can. But
Speaker 2: as far as being biblical, there's only certain things that
Speaker 2: really need to be spoken of and certain things that
Speaker 2: aren't really that important. There is somewhere around two hundred
Speaker 2: verses out of like was over seventy thousand. I think
Speaker 2: we looked it up once upon a time. It's been
Speaker 2: a minute, so forgive me, but there's like two hundred
Speaker 2: verses that bring up things that might suggest a flat
Speaker 2: earth as opposed to everything else in the book that
Speaker 2: tells us how important it is.
Speaker 3: It's like less than less than one hundredth that's a
Speaker 3: weird way of putting it. Though somebody tells you something
Speaker 3: two hundred times, you're just like, man, it's only two
Speaker 3: hundred times they told.
Speaker 2: Us, but it's not direct two hundred times. There's like
Speaker 2: something about the angels being scattered to the four corners
Speaker 2: of the Earth. Okay, that's a thing, and like see
Speaker 2: flat Earth confirmed. It's like, so that could not have
Speaker 2: meant north, southeast, and west. That's not at all. It
Speaker 2: was talking about corners on a flat, square surface. That's
Speaker 2: what we're saying. But then that goes against the flat
Speaker 2: earth narrative of it being a disc because there's no
Speaker 2: corners on a disc, and it's it's not important enough
Speaker 2: for us to really spend that much time in I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be. You look at the word for firmament, and
Speaker 2: it also could be matrix, which is like the embryotic
Speaker 2: sack that a baby comes out of. Firmament also means horizon,
Speaker 2: So the blue water is on the ground and the
Speaker 2: blue sky. They put a horizon between the two to
Speaker 2: separate them. Yeah, that makes sense to me. So, but
Speaker 2: the sky is not water though? Does water not come
Speaker 2: from the sky, Well, it.
Speaker 3: Comes from the clouds, but it's said to be the firmament,
Speaker 3: is something there holding back the waters that are above it.
Speaker 2: I am personally of the belief that space might be
Speaker 2: something more hook in to a fluid. And again, I
Speaker 2: don't know, dude, I wasn't there when it was rac
Speaker 2: It's kind of weird though.
Speaker 3: Literally he's getting this message literally, as I mean, if
Speaker 3: we're to believe what it says literally from God. So
Speaker 3: that's where it's like confusing to me because it's like,
Speaker 3: is God dumbing it down or was yes? You know, uh,
Speaker 3: what's his name like? To dumbed down?
Speaker 2: To really interpret it? I don't know. I believe that
Speaker 2: God dumbed things down the same way. Like I've used
Speaker 2: this example of a million times. How do you explain
Speaker 2: to a six year old where babies come from? You
Speaker 2: don't lie to them, you tell them truth, You don't
Speaker 2: tell them all of the truth. You dumb it down
Speaker 2: and you let it be that. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 2: that it takes what it is.
Speaker 3: I don't think that it takes a genius to like
Speaker 3: accept that there may be stars in the sky.
Speaker 2: Though, well, it talks about the stars and it says
Speaker 2: to mark your calendars and seasons by the stars in
Speaker 2: the sky. So like that, You're right, that's talked about.
Speaker 3: So why was you start with the water though? Like
Speaker 3: you could have said anything else. Could have said empty space,
Speaker 3: could have said, you know, a vacuum, could have said
Speaker 3: you know, oh it's it's nothing this and you're just
Speaker 3: inside of a dream.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but like just water. That's to the
Speaker 2: person writing this in fourteen hundred and fifteen hundred BC,
Speaker 2: give or take, how would they have understood that a
Speaker 2: vacuum was not something that they understood at that point.
Speaker 2: Neither is the emptiness of space, or even if you
Speaker 2: were to say there's only air to a certain point
Speaker 2: and then there's no air, that would have not made
Speaker 2: any kind of contextual sense to them. Hell, humans only
Speaker 2: started flying one hundred and fifty years ago, give or take.
Speaker 2: Like that's this would have been outside of the realm
Speaker 2: of anything that they would have been able to conceptually
Speaker 2: understand by the way, I'm actually in agreeance with you.
Speaker 3: I don't think that the Bible tells anybody about what
Speaker 3: the shape of the earth is. I think that it's
Speaker 3: all symbolic, so I don't think they should take any
Speaker 3: of it literally. And if I don't think that you
Speaker 3: should take any of it literally, then the corners, in
Speaker 3: my opinion, probably would mean the four Cardinal Directions, right, Like,
Speaker 3: that's just that that just makes the most amount of
Speaker 3: sense unless they were talking about the four elements, you know,
Speaker 3: that's the only thing that I can think of, but
Speaker 3: probably the four Directions, Ashton, your thoughts there.
Speaker 5: Uh. I was gonna touch on a few other things
Speaker 5: that there is an episode maybe back in December on
Speaker 5: the Live where I explained what I thought the flat
Speaker 5: Earth was, but I don't want to get into it again.
Speaker 5: I was just gonna go back onto the uh, the
Speaker 5: Cago episode. So Jonathan, you you know a little bit
Speaker 5: of Portuguese, right, A little bit?
Speaker 2: I I mean, I I know cuss words.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So ship is co goo that's right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Actually my ex told me about.
Speaker 5: The whole episode. I was just waiting for you guys
Speaker 5: to make that connection. I was like, damn, because my
Speaker 5: Portuguese coworker used to call my buddy, like one of
Speaker 5: my best friends cacal because he just they.
Speaker 3: Say that in Spanish too, from what I heard. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: like a fun dude, a fun cuss word or a
Speaker 3: cuss phrase. I guess is if you would say a
Speaker 3: or no is like you scared me or something like that.
Speaker 2: Damn it. There's another one that it was on the
Speaker 2: tip of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's a couple of fun ones out there,
Speaker 3: like my son, my son, he's we're trying to raise
Speaker 3: my son to be like by trilingual actually, but uh,
Speaker 3: to to say give me a kiss, we say debajil
Speaker 3: and that's like I always say dibajel popeye, which is
Speaker 3: give daddy a kiss, you know. Yeah, but just fun
Speaker 3: things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the could go. Uh, there was a couple of
Speaker 2: different variants of their title. Could go is the one
Speaker 2: that you will most likely find when looking for records
Speaker 2: and things. But yeah, if you that could have been
Speaker 2: just a moniker to call them shit by different groups,
Speaker 2: that is absolutely a possibility. It's it was an.
Speaker 5: Interesting episode, but the last few are pretty good.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: I Like, I was listening to the new one today
Speaker 5: and the football analogy. That was like, that was great.
Speaker 5: That was a perfect way to spin that.
Speaker 2: You know, appreciate it. Man, that literally came right off
Speaker 2: the dome. But I was like, all right, how could
Speaker 2: I put this in a way that I know Jonathan
Speaker 2: will be able to figuratively and possibly literally take the
Speaker 2: ball and run with it. And I was like, you
Speaker 2: know what this is? I forget what that was in
Speaker 2: reference to now. It was in reference to everybody feeling
Speaker 2: like they're the MVP of every single play, but in reality,
Speaker 2: they all have to do their part in order to
Speaker 2: get the overall job done. That's right. Yeah.
Speaker 5: One last thing, uh, I was speaking on the last
Speaker 5: few episodes. Uh. I listened to two of them today,
Speaker 5: the UH the other one with the the UH, the
Speaker 5: spirit whatever that guy's name is, like Peter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 5: I think you guys are both right and that uggres
Speaker 5: are real where you can manifest your own sort of
Speaker 5: thought forms that exist outside of you. But also I
Speaker 5: think Jacob's right too, where there's thought forms that exist
Speaker 5: outside of you that are demonic or angelic and you
Speaker 5: really don't have control over them even if you make
Speaker 5: communication with them.
Speaker 2: That's fair.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's anything's possible. There's no like these things
Speaker 3: almost like require a certain level of faith because you're
Speaker 3: talking about the unseen, the untestable, like the there's no
Speaker 3: way of getting absolute truth on it outside of just
Speaker 3: having a certain belief and letting that belief kind of
Speaker 3: shape your perception of reality. You know, at least that's
Speaker 3: what I'm coming to understand, because you ask, you ask somebody.
Speaker 3: You know it's a it's a demon, or you know,
Speaker 3: it's a ghost, it's a spirit, it's a whatever. Like
Speaker 3: everybody has like their own thing. Some people don't even
Speaker 3: believe in any of that. They only believe in what's
Speaker 3: right in front of them, So to them, it doesn't exist,
Speaker 3: you know. So it's weird about how perception does shape reality,
Speaker 3: which is actually like what I'm most interested in, you know,
Speaker 3: Like how crazy is it that, you know, whenever you
Speaker 3: start looking at something, like really shift your attention towards
Speaker 3: something and you start seeing it all the time, or
Speaker 3: maybe you know, like I remember whenever, dude, one of
Speaker 3: my first conspiracies ever was like I dove super hard
Speaker 3: into flat Earth, right and whenever I it like clicked
Speaker 3: in my mind. After a little while because I was
Speaker 3: like super obsessed with it. When it clicked in my mind,
Speaker 3: I literally walked outside and I was like, holy shit,
Speaker 3: Like my mind clicked into flat Earth mode. So now
Speaker 3: I'm looking at all of the Earth as flat and
Speaker 3: if nothing else. It's it's a very like crazy paradigm shift.
Speaker 3: Like it's you know, just changing your perspective on certain things.
Speaker 2: Man, it really does.
Speaker 3: It's It's quite the thing because most people never change
Speaker 3: their perspective.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Most people just believe that they're inherently right about everything
Speaker 3: that everybody else is wrong and I have the right perception.
Speaker 3: It's only when people become open minded that they're able
Speaker 3: to see these paradigm shifts and these perspective shifts, and
Speaker 3: they're able to look at the world in a different way.
Speaker 3: You're able to be sympathetic and empathetic towards other people
Speaker 3: for believing certain things and stuff like that. You know,
Speaker 3: It's it's it's fun, dude, It's a it's a trip
Speaker 3: full on.
Speaker 5: That's totally true, man. I mean, like, I don't follow
Speaker 5: any sort of religion or god, even though I grew
Speaker 5: up Witholicism. I mean, I just know that that thing
Speaker 5: is showing me every aspect of I manifested this way
Speaker 5: here for these people. I manifested this way here for
Speaker 5: these people. But it's all the same damn thing, just
Speaker 5: manifesting differently for whoever needs it. It's it's I am
Speaker 5: who I am, and I will be who I will be.
Speaker 5: And what that means to me is it manifest as
Speaker 5: it's required to for what it's required to do for whoever.
Speaker 3: Dude, And you know what's here's a here's a weird synchronicity.
Speaker 3: So fun fact, this is episode nine and twenty two. Okay,
Speaker 3: that number probably doesn't mean much to anybody, except it
Speaker 3: is like, followed me for forever, right, like, And I
Speaker 3: was telling Jacob about it one time. Where do we
Speaker 3: go on a road trip? Oh, up to South Carolina?
Speaker 2: Right and oh yeah, that for the Carolina carnage where
Speaker 2: you uh you squired for me at the fucking Boohurt
Speaker 2: comp That was fucking dope.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was fun. But we left like super early.
Speaker 3: It was like, I don't know, was it like late
Speaker 3: at night or early in the morning. It was like
Speaker 3: three in the morning or something like that. And and
Speaker 3: I was telling Jacob, and you know, me and him,
Speaker 3: we were always over at Christy Shop, right, that's when
Speaker 3: we were shooting in person all the time. And when
Speaker 3: he came to pick me up in order for us
Speaker 3: to go on this road trip, I was like, bro,
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I cannot stop fucking seeing this number.
Speaker 3: It is like haunting me, this nine twenty two. Everywhere
Speaker 3: I turn, if I look at a billboard, if I
Speaker 3: see a phone number, if I see anything it look
Speaker 3: could literally be like a number on a page or
Speaker 3: something like that.
Speaker 2: It's just always catching me, you know.
Speaker 3: And Jacob's like, I don't know, man, you know he
Speaker 3: don't believe in that shit, and legit, I shit you not.
Speaker 2: We get in the car.
Speaker 3: It is three o'clock in the morning, there are no
Speaker 3: cars on the road except for one, and that one
Speaker 3: car had a nine to twenty two license plate. Five
Speaker 3: minutes after I told him about it, I was like, bro,
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I'm not full of shit.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing it all the time.
Speaker 3: You're seeing it right here too, Like what a weird
Speaker 3: coincidence that was, though, Jacob, wasn't it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I remember that. I was thinking, like, Okay, I
Speaker 2: don't really know what to tell you. There is a
Speaker 2: possibility that is a coincidence, but also you did you
Speaker 2: did just tell me that this number follows you?
Speaker 3: I mean, fuck told you, like not even five minutes
Speaker 3: before we saw it. So yeah, anyway, shout out two
Speaker 3: episode nine.
Speaker 5: I listened to an older meta episode. I think you
Speaker 5: were interviewing Lord Byron with Sean and he had mentioned
Speaker 5: something about the Quran having nineteen, and I was like, damn, nineteen,
Speaker 5: that's followed me forever. It's followed me for like ten
Speaker 5: years at least now, And so I looked into that
Speaker 5: a little bit. There's not a whole lot on it,
Speaker 5: but I'd be interested to hear more about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's fun looking into number symbolism and everything.
Speaker 3: You know, usually one is the first step. It's the
Speaker 3: first thing. It's the thing that is firstborn or whatever.
Speaker 3: You can't create with one. It just represents a single dot,
Speaker 3: right Like, it's not even a line yet. You need
Speaker 3: two to create a line and three to create the
Speaker 3: triangle and so on. But like, and then once you
Speaker 3: get up to nine, it is it's almost finished, right Like,
Speaker 3: if you're looking at numerology, it's all about like one
Speaker 3: through ten, and then you know, you can look into
Speaker 3: master numbers eleven, twenty two, thirty three, whatever. But like
Speaker 3: most numerology is just from one to ten, and ten
Speaker 3: doesn't even necessarily count. Ten represents two things. It represents
Speaker 3: the end and the beginning. So anybody out there that's
Speaker 3: just looking and trying to find symbolism of certain numbers,
Speaker 3: you can see it in it.
Speaker 2: The occult is they pay.
Speaker 3: Attention to this, And this is why I pay attention
Speaker 3: to it, because I'm like, dude, if they're using it,
Speaker 3: I want to know what to look for, you know.
Speaker 3: So nine means like you're almost done, you're almost there
Speaker 3: kind of thing, and one is like you're starting over.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if that helps at all.
Speaker 5: But that's a relatively new thing too. Like the Mayans
Speaker 5: they use just base twenty, like we haven't used base
Speaker 5: ten forever. Babylonians and Sumerians I think they used base sixty.
Speaker 5: It's either one of them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, it's a numbers are weird.
Speaker 5: Hours seconds at three hundred and sixty degrees in the circle.
Speaker 5: They use base sixty to do that. All right, that's
Speaker 5: all I got. I'll leave it be there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, did Luke said?
Speaker 3: I just Luke said, I just want to make a
Speaker 3: clarification on what Jonathan said. You can come in here
Speaker 3: and talk shit about us, but do not ever disrespect
Speaker 3: a beard unforgivable.
Speaker 2: I must agree and concur with my boy Lucathan at
Speaker 2: this time. The man speaks facts. Good stuff there.
Speaker 3: Luca spirit Animal posted his that ass weapon.
Speaker 2: On Rocket League. Very nice.
Speaker 3: Damn to be Alive said, Yo, what up? Fellas to
Speaker 3: be Alive? Joel said, bro, I want to hear the
Speaker 3: stuff you found found out about Paul. Yeah, I think
Speaker 3: we agreed that we're going to do that on Meta
Speaker 3: because I just my goal is not entirely to like
Speaker 3: get everybody to hate me. That's like I want. I like,
Speaker 3: That's genuinely not my goal.
Speaker 2: So I should have mentioned this too. As far as
Speaker 2: the Polishtian, I think is what they were called, you
Speaker 2: know that it was actually a set right. Yeah, very
Speaker 2: similar to the Cathars, who were more of the Gnostic beliefs.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Well those were, you know, the followers of Paul. It's
Speaker 3: not necessarily the same shit that went in the Bible
Speaker 3: about Paul.
Speaker 2: No, not at all exactly. They were using a lot
Speaker 2: of Gnostic texts that they believed came from Paul, and
Speaker 2: so it was a whole other thing which we could
Speaker 2: have that conversation one day. I feel like, as at
Speaker 2: least at this time, we probably need to take a
Speaker 2: hard pause on the quote unquote debunking of biblical things.
Speaker 2: But I'm still down to have that conversation on the cult,
Speaker 2: and I would like to bring on a pastor and
Speaker 2: a biblical scholar to talk about these things, as well
Speaker 2: as somebody who is on the opposite side of it,
Speaker 2: that is saying that people that claimed that their Christians
Speaker 2: are actually just following Paul, not Jesus. I think that's
Speaker 2: a fascinating conversation, I'll tell you what, because I think
Speaker 2: that there would be a lot of talking over in
Speaker 2: that sense.
Speaker 3: It would be interesting to have somebody on to represent
Speaker 3: the validity of why Paul is in the Bible, and
Speaker 3: then another separate episode of somebody saying it doesn't belong
Speaker 3: in the Bible, and then we make them clash, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like, I want to get like
Speaker 3: full stories on each side as to why.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean maybe wait, we'll definitely we're gonna put
Speaker 2: a pin in that one for now. Uh. You know,
Speaker 2: behay in the future, I could see us doing that
Speaker 2: episode one hundred percent. Yeah, dude.
Speaker 3: But a Cathar episode's coming up, so so that's gonna
Speaker 3: be a fun one. And I'm not gonna even really
Speaker 3: get too far into their beliefs and the Gnostic stuff,
Speaker 3: and I'm it's basically just gonna be about the Cathar
Speaker 3: genocide basically.
Speaker 2: But you can't separate that from their beliefs because that's
Speaker 2: why that happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's why it happened, but that's not a good
Speaker 3: reason why it happened.
Speaker 2: I can't wait for the episode, honesee. I was literally
Speaker 2: just doing a little more research into them because I've
Speaker 2: looked into the Cathars before. It's an interesting minute.
Speaker 3: It's an interesting thing because it depends on what angle
Speaker 3: are you reading it from, because if you hear it
Speaker 3: from the Catholic angle, they feel righteous and justified. And
Speaker 3: I mean, Saint whatever the fuck his name was, I
Speaker 3: came it was a weird name, is like justified like
Speaker 3: for being that guy that took care of the Cathars
Speaker 3: and no mention of how many thousands of lives were killed.
Speaker 3: But then you hear it from the Cathar side right, Like,
Speaker 3: I went to this full on it. It's a website
Speaker 3: called Cathar dot info, one of the most awesome websites
Speaker 3: I've ever visited in my life, Like, so full of knowledge,
Speaker 3: and it seems like a different story.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. Maybe we'll present both of them
Speaker 2: and just get it from both angles. Did you know
Speaker 2: that there is actually in the last few decades, there's
Speaker 2: been a pretty solid debate going on if the Catar
Speaker 2: has ever actually existed at all. Yeah, I'm sure there
Speaker 2: is no no, hear me out, because if you look
Speaker 2: at the time and place, there is a possibility. And
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I believe this personally, I do
Speaker 2: believe that there was a Cathar genocide the took place. However,
Speaker 2: there are scholars out there that are saying that the
Speaker 2: Catholic Church created a boogeyman to scare people back into
Speaker 2: attending church, and they made up this entire thing about Cathars,
Speaker 2: all of the sources about them. It's very similar to
Speaker 2: how the druids. Right, we know that Druids existed. We
Speaker 2: have no records from the Druids because that's not how
Speaker 2: they do All of our well, because they didn't write
Speaker 2: things down. All we have as far as the Druids,
Speaker 2: are a few scant sources from Rome. When it comes
Speaker 2: to the Cathars, we have no Cathar like quote unquote
Speaker 2: legitimate Cathar liturgy. We have mostly stories about them written
Speaker 2: by the Catholics who hated this group. And it's like
Speaker 2: you got to take every single claim with a massive
Speaker 2: grain assault. Then we have some books that they claim
Speaker 2: we're a part of their literature and a part of
Speaker 2: their like their religious beliefs, but most of those were
Speaker 2: written about one hundreds of years after the crusade took place.
Speaker 2: And it's like, okay, well is this first person, is
Speaker 2: this third person? Is this? It's it's very very interesting
Speaker 2: to look at. And again I'm not saying that I
Speaker 2: agree that Cathars weren't a thing. I believe that that
Speaker 2: genocide took place one hundred percent. But this is one
Speaker 2: of those times where history was written by the victors,
Speaker 2: and whatever you think you know about a group typically
Speaker 2: comes from the people that decided what you would hear
Speaker 2: about the group.
Speaker 3: Interesting that you just said it that way. It was
Speaker 3: written hundreds of years after it actually happened. How can
Speaker 3: we verify its truth?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm saying that as far as they're
Speaker 2: like their Holy Book if you want to call it that, right, like, uh,
Speaker 2: the Secret Supper for instance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an interesting read. By the way, I didn't
Speaker 3: even get all the way through it, but wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: And if you read it, then you'll understand why the
Speaker 2: Catholic Church came after them as hard as they did.
Speaker 2: Like it was completely heretical, but.
Speaker 3: Good enough reason to dude, Literally, this is I And
Speaker 3: I can't remember the name of the king. I'm not
Speaker 3: super I didn't, you know, do the research literally rate
Speaker 3: before the show, but I.
Speaker 2: Know that was Pope Innocent the third No, no, it's king.
Speaker 3: I can't remember which king it was, but it was
Speaker 3: a king that was like basically go in there and
Speaker 3: kill them all and let God decide which ones are
Speaker 3: Cathars and which ones are Catholics, right, because they were
Speaker 3: going in into like villages and just killing everybody, men, women, children,
Speaker 3: didn't matter if you were Cathar or not. Like, we're
Speaker 3: taking out this entire fucking village and so like, that's
Speaker 3: that's beyond genocide to me.
Speaker 2: But there really wasn't many children, because again they were very,
Speaker 2: very very Gnostic, and the Gnostics believed that sex was evil.
Speaker 2: Children were the ultimate evil. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: there was a direct quote from one Cathar woman who
Speaker 2: was pregnant and one of her Cathar women friends was like,
Speaker 2: you need to pray to God that he removes that
Speaker 2: demon from your belly before it ever breathes there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they hated children.
Speaker 3: Well, they didn't necessarily hate children. I think that's probably
Speaker 3: coming from a Catholic point of view. But from what
Speaker 3: I found is that they believe that just incarnating as
Speaker 3: a human was inherently evil, right, and so they believe
Speaker 3: that they did and believe in like they they actually said,
Speaker 3: if you're going to have sex, like, just don't do
Speaker 3: it to like procreate. Don't don't do it to procreate,
Speaker 3: right like, because they didn't want to bring another soul
Speaker 3: and trap another soul into a human body.
Speaker 2: And you know they wanted the even married couples to
Speaker 2: not have sex.
Speaker 3: Well, it's debated on I mean, I know we can
Speaker 3: get into it on the cast Bar episode.
Speaker 2: I'm fucking pumped, dude, And I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3: Doing a little bit of that research, they were talking
Speaker 3: mad shit about the Catholics and one of the crazy things.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure you'd probably already know this that uh,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure it's no longer a talking point, but
Speaker 3: at least back then, the Catholic Church was pushing that
Speaker 3: it was it was more of a sin to masturbate
Speaker 3: than it was to rape somebody.
Speaker 2: Do you know? That depends on which which scholar you're
Speaker 2: talking about. Some of them absolutely believe that. And then
Speaker 2: I think it was Martin Luther himself that was basically like, look,
Speaker 2: masturbation is a sin, and we can agree to that,
Speaker 2: but also, if you don't tell these people how to, like,
Speaker 2: a dude is gonna come okay, and either he's gonna
Speaker 2: do it into a woman or into his shirt okay, now,
Speaker 2: realistically which one's gonna have worse effects? And it was like,
Speaker 2: I mean, all right, that's fucked up. Though no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm definitely agreeing that masturbation is definitely not as bad
Speaker 2: or worse than raping someone. That's fucking insane. But I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: day and Age wild shit.
Speaker 4: Samuel, go ahead, sir, Okay, that's fucked up. You don't
Speaker 4: got to do that to somebody.
Speaker 5: But my.
Speaker 6: Dad.
Speaker 1: One of the one of the things he would always
Speaker 1: like to each, Well.
Speaker 4: I just blown up.
Speaker 1: My dad always says, is it is better to put
Speaker 1: your seat into the belly of a whod than it
Speaker 1: is to spit it on the ground.
Speaker 2: No, it's not. That's actually a myth. That's not even
Speaker 2: in the Bible. It goes back to a very specific
Speaker 2: instance where this dude was.
Speaker 1: He was supposed to give his father children because his
Speaker 1: brother died, and he was supposed to take his brother's
Speaker 1: widow as his new wife because at that point a woman,
Speaker 1: it would it would doing not just just on hoba,
Speaker 1: on the family if he did not do such.
Speaker 2: So wait, he pulled out and came on the ground
Speaker 2: and he was punished.
Speaker 3: Forge does it literally say better in the belly of
Speaker 3: a whore? Though like in the Bible, legit like word
Speaker 3: for word.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll look up their actual.
Speaker 3: I remember us looking this up and it wasn't in there,
Speaker 3: Like did we look this up a couple of years
Speaker 3: ago when we were still over at Christie's because Christy
Speaker 3: was giving you shit for that.
Speaker 2: I remember that.
Speaker 3: Let me see that that was like that was like
Speaker 3: some other writing, and people like confuse it with the
Speaker 3: Bible or something like that. The phrase better to spill
Speaker 3: your seed in the belly of a whore is not
Speaker 3: a Bible verse, but a misquote or urban legend that
Speaker 3: may stem from the misinterpretation of Genesis thirty eight, p.
Speaker 2: Nine. The actual verse describes oon I was gonna say,
Speaker 2: oh ma on my bad spilling his seat on the
Speaker 2: ground to avoid giving offspring to his deceased brother's widow,
Speaker 2: which was a wicked act in God's eyes because the
Speaker 2: refusal he refused to fulfill the duty of a Leverett marriage.
Speaker 2: The misquoted phrase incorrectly implies that the act of spilling
Speaker 2: seed is worse than impregnating a prostitute, when the original
Speaker 2: passage condemns spilling.
Speaker 3: Seed for lack of purpose, not the act itself. So,
Speaker 3: but not exactly that quote. I mean, it may not
Speaker 3: implies it, but not that quote.
Speaker 2: It's basically saying, though, yeah, spilling your seat on the ground,
Speaker 2: like just coming without purpose of creating a life is
Speaker 2: a sin. But of course people have taken that and
Speaker 2: misquoted it to be other things, which that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's like saying better in the belly of a whore
Speaker 2: than on the ground, because at least there's some sort
Speaker 2: of a purpose to the one rather than the wasting
Speaker 2: of the other, which is interesting.
Speaker 3: It is interesting though, how you know, and this isn't me.
Speaker 3: I know that everybody is imperfect and we're all sinners
Speaker 3: and dada. But it's interesting how people will cherry pick
Speaker 3: and choose, like which is more of a sin than
Speaker 3: than another than another thing? Right, Like alisexuality is a sin.
Speaker 3: It's like it's only talked about like one time. I
Speaker 3: think at the Bible maybe twice. But fasturbating onto the
Speaker 3: floor is clearly okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like, it's just about more than just a couple of times.
Speaker 2: It's not like a massive talking point, but it is
Speaker 2: definitely mentioned in the Old and New Test.
Speaker 3: It's only mentioned two hundred times. How big of a
Speaker 3: deal is it? Actually, it's a very good point. It's
Speaker 3: a very good counter argument.
Speaker 2: But to that point, also, the shape of the earth
Speaker 2: versus a cardinal sin, I feel like, are two different conversations.
Speaker 2: Just me. But yeah, I mean it's it's not like
Speaker 2: a thing that people need to base their entire religious
Speaker 2: belief upon, like the homosexuality thing cardinal sin. I mean,
Speaker 2: I use that term loosely, sir, I'm not actually saying
Speaker 2: it's listed as a cardinal sin. And maybe I don't know,
Speaker 2: but my point is I'm not saying that that is
Speaker 2: something that you should like. Is the one thing that
Speaker 2: keeps you from being a Christian is because they don't
Speaker 2: like the gays. It's like, look, I disagree with homosexuality,
Speaker 2: but not for any religious reason. I disagree with it
Speaker 2: for scientific reasons, no, just me personally.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, but you know, whenever you got and I've
Speaker 3: seen countless videos of people and you know, and say
Speaker 3: what you want, but there are you know, gay and
Speaker 3: trans priests and pastors and all that kind of shit,
Speaker 3: and they're saying that, if ever, I will never bow down. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: the guy that's probably saying it probably beats his meat
Speaker 3: six times a day.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: It's like, so it's it's a bit contradictory at that point.
Speaker 2: No, it's very contradictory. And I'm gonna try to give
Speaker 2: a comparison here, because again, before I say this, please
Speaker 2: do not think that Jacob is casting judgment on anyone. Okay,
Speaker 2: because for instance, a openly gay person is openly living
Speaker 2: in sin. Now, yes, every single human being alive today
Speaker 2: is living in sin. But there's a difference between uh,
Speaker 2: you know, living in sin and you're trying to work
Speaker 2: on it and be better today than you were yesterday
Speaker 2: and these kind of things and being openly loud and
Speaker 2: proud about your sinful nature. Okay, these are two different conversations. Now,
Speaker 2: this being said for a pastor to be openly gay
Speaker 2: and wearing like a rainbow stole as they're giving their sermon,
Speaker 2: and shit, that's I wish I could find a decent
Speaker 2: comparison that if we're going off of, like if a
Speaker 2: sin is a sin as a sin, can you imagine
Speaker 2: if somebody was a professional thief, like not Robin Hood, shit,
Speaker 2: I mean, like an actual professional bank robber who goes
Speaker 2: up on and is also a pastor, and he goes
Speaker 2: to church and preaches openly about how much money he's
Speaker 2: stealing while he's preaching to people about being just and
Speaker 2: moral Joe, Okay, but he's stealing things under the table.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about like somebody gay wearing a rainbow stole
Speaker 2: would be equivalent to a bank robber who just got
Speaker 2: done sticking up a bank yesterday is talking about it
Speaker 2: to his congregation. While giving a sermon. It's like, so what,
Speaker 2: it's better if you do it in the dark, then
Speaker 2: if it's in it's not. It's not better. There's no
Speaker 2: better or worse on this. The sin is the sin
Speaker 2: is a sin. All I'm saying is that being open
Speaker 2: about that thing that you are taught, like that being
Speaker 2: openly gay and trying to give a sermon to a
Speaker 2: group of people is a complete insult to the book.
Speaker 2: The same way that if you were openly being a convict,
Speaker 2: like openly committing acts of violence on people, and then
Speaker 2: going and preaching a sermon, I would say it's equally
Speaker 2: a slap in the face of the Bible.
Speaker 3: But isn't it understood that everybody's a sinner and nobody
Speaker 3: can live up to it.
Speaker 2: So I understand, But but you're not supposed to live
Speaker 2: being proud of your sin. I mean, that's that's crazy.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I know, you should be trying to
Speaker 2: leave your simple nature behind you and turning towards the
Speaker 2: righteousness of God. You shouldn't be living in sin and
Speaker 2: being proud of it.
Speaker 3: How many people you know actually do that? Though, like
Speaker 3: on some real.
Speaker 2: Shit, that's beside the point. If you're gonna try to
Speaker 2: lead a congregation, then you better at least do your
Speaker 2: best to live up to the expectations. You're gonna fall short.
Speaker 2: Everybody falls short. Everybody's a sinner, and I understand that.
Speaker 2: But there's a difference between falling short and owning it
Speaker 2: and being loud and proud about how sinful you are.
Speaker 2: These are different conversations. I don't know. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: you know, not my not my shit, but uh, spirit
Speaker 2: animal as you light up the the ja over there, sir.
Speaker 4: Jay, no doll is a blunt wow nice.
Speaker 6: I don't typically bull joints, but when I do, it's
Speaker 6: typically my ankle.
Speaker 11: Oh.
Speaker 12: But no, just thinking about the the cagos I kind
Speaker 12: of made me think of like I saw the the
Speaker 12: the thing down there, how it broke down and where
Speaker 12: it said excre me.
Speaker 6: I couldn't help, but thinking was it like a way
Speaker 6: of them saying like a fun way of saying that cargo?
Speaker 4: Did it involve in a cargo?
Speaker 6: Because they could have been sawis bitan just since you
Speaker 6: just things to be used.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, cago c ag o t A lot
Speaker 2: of times you'll hear people say it's cagat. But in
Speaker 2: the French language, you don't pronounce the last letter, so
Speaker 2: that's why it's could go.
Speaker 6: I oh see, I thought it was like cg O
Speaker 6: my dumb ass can't spell my talk.
Speaker 2: Well that's how it's that's how it's pronounced. But again
Speaker 2: in the Spanish it was ag o t e s
Speaker 2: a goats or something like gott or something like that,
Speaker 2: which it was all kind of you know, this group
Speaker 2: calls them this, this group calls them this, but it
Speaker 2: was all the same, genetically, the same group of people
Speaker 2: that for whatever reason, people in southern France just decided
Speaker 2: fuck these people in particular. And like it's pretty crazy
Speaker 2: because there's really no difference that anybody can find to
Speaker 2: say that these people were actually different. But uh yeah,
Speaker 2: the story about old boy getting his hand cut off
Speaker 2: or using the wrong holy water, that is absolutely a
Speaker 2: factual story. And when I was in France, I saw
Speaker 2: multiple cathedrals with the small little door on the side
Speaker 2: of it for the cago.
Speaker 6: So with that being said, oh no, don't they know
Speaker 6: that Jesus himself said he who was out sind made
Speaker 6: for cassa firs stone. And I don't know about you,
Speaker 6: but I think God probably would still strike a man
Speaker 6: of the cloth for despecating his holy worship.
Speaker 4: I mean the man Jesus.
Speaker 6: Jesus constantly made a bull whip and drove the Pharisees
Speaker 6: out in the temple.
Speaker 2: That was for greed. But no, I'm with you on this.
Speaker 2: I uh, I don't think that that was a good
Speaker 2: thing to do, to treat any of God's children in
Speaker 2: such a despicable manner. But that's also why we wanted
Speaker 2: to do an episode on it, is because like that
Speaker 2: was literally racism for res sake. There was no reason
Speaker 2: for them to be ostracized in the manner that they did.
Speaker 2: And there was all these different possible myths and rumors
Speaker 2: as to why they were so hated. None of them
Speaker 2: were backed by anything other than hearsay, and over the
Speaker 2: course of a few hundred years, it was just understood, Yeah,
Speaker 2: fuck those people. Why because granddad said so, and his
Speaker 2: granddad before him, And it's like, sure, I guess fuck.
Speaker 6: Them, Okay, so I can understand down that line. But
Speaker 6: I my thing is the like, were they You said
Speaker 6: it was racism for racism, but that you couldn't tell
Speaker 6: them any different from any other Frenchies. So what were
Speaker 6: they like descendants of the Moors, because he's what the
Speaker 6: Moors all throughout you have.
Speaker 2: Also they there's a couple of different theories. Some suggest
Speaker 2: that they were the descendants of the Moorish invaders to Spain.
Speaker 2: Some suggest that they were basically half bred Gypsies. Some
Speaker 2: suggest that they were actually all descendant from a carpenter's
Speaker 2: guild that were ostracized because they did piss poor work
Speaker 2: at one point in time. And then the myths about
Speaker 2: them creating the Cross of Christ or them creating building
Speaker 2: the Temple of Solomon, that like that's the thing. It's
Speaker 2: like there's all these possibilities, but there's nothing actual factual
Speaker 2: to say that. And again there are could go grave
Speaker 2: sites that have been exhoomed, there have been DNA tests
Speaker 2: that have been done on their bones. There is no
Speaker 2: Moorish ancestry, there is no Jewish ancestry, there is no
Speaker 2: Gypsy ancestry at all about.
Speaker 6: Uh Flannis, Like could they have been a band of
Speaker 6: like Ganghis Khan.
Speaker 2: There's everything within this shows that they were one hundred
Speaker 2: percent French. No dissemination on a race type of thing.
Speaker 2: When I'm saying racism, I'm basically saying it's the whole
Speaker 2: us versus them thing, just to have us versus them,
Speaker 2: it's the it's the haves and the have nots, just
Speaker 2: to have someone to shit on.
Speaker 6: At that point, it would be that would be tribalism,
Speaker 6: not racism, tribalism, but either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, same with like the Hutus and the Tutsis right
Speaker 2: in Rwanda. Looking at them, you would not know the
Speaker 2: difference between either of them. They look identical, they worship identical,
Speaker 2: they speak the same language if I'm not mistaken. But
Speaker 2: because this person has this little letter on their identification card,
Speaker 2: they're different and fuck them it sure all right, tribalism
Speaker 2: for the sake of tribalism.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 6: Doctor Seuss dided a book over tribalism at sash racism.
Speaker 6: Oh it was the butter war with the side that
Speaker 6: had butter side up and butter side down. It was
Speaker 6: literally could when you just you just.
Speaker 2: Made me think of that, Yeah, doctor Seuss wrote there
Speaker 2: was a picture I know of where it was like
Speaker 2: straight up like taking black people using a hard R
Speaker 2: inward on the sign and these people throwing them into
Speaker 2: fires and shit. Doctor Seuss, who was a Jew, was
Speaker 2: all about bringing awareness about the Holocaust, was not shy
Speaker 2: about his hatred for African Americans. I get that that
Speaker 2: was crazy and you look it up now, like, yo,
Speaker 2: doctor Seuss was actually a racist piece of shit?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 2: Oh dude, up shit, hold on, I'll look I'll find
Speaker 2: the image I got you. This is mind blowing, Uh, Dougie,
Speaker 2: Go ahead, sir.
Speaker 10: So, I want to take us back to your favorite place,
Speaker 10: Jonathan Church. So would you rather listen to a sermon
Speaker 10: from an openly gay reverend or priest? Or would you
Speaker 10: rather sit and listen to Kenneth Copeland?
Speaker 2: Oh, I would.
Speaker 3: Rather listen to nine thousand trainies. No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3: Uh No, it's I I honestly really don't care. Like
Speaker 3: I'm first of all, I'm probably not going to be
Speaker 3: going to sit in on a church, not necessarily because
Speaker 3: I would hate it, or that I would burn in
Speaker 3: hell or anything like that. It's just that, you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of the times I'm I like going. I
Speaker 3: used to like going to church because I felt like
Speaker 3: I was learning something. But the last few times that
Speaker 3: I went, I felt like I wasn't really much that
Speaker 3: I was learning. And I now I know that, you know,
Speaker 3: church isn't entirely just about learning. It's about worshiping and
Speaker 3: praying and being with the masses. I get all that,
Speaker 3: but I was going strictly to try and be a sponge.
Speaker 3: Maybe to have it interpreted a little bit different to me,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I don't care. I mean, I think that
Speaker 3: if the message resonates, who gives a shit? If who
Speaker 3: gives a shit, who's saying it? That's that's what I think,
Speaker 3: you know, And most of the time, Kenneth Copeland, I
Speaker 3: I don't know if there's a single word that that
Speaker 3: man could utter that could possibly resonate with anything about
Speaker 3: what I believe.
Speaker 2: I'm with you on this, so anyway, Yeah, on screen
Speaker 2: right now is some of the racist ass artwork done
Speaker 2: by doctor Seuss. We're not going to read what the
Speaker 2: sign says. It's a Google search way for anybody that's curious.
Speaker 2: But it's not like this was, uh, this was an
Speaker 2: unknown thing. You know, everybody wants to learn about the
Speaker 2: Lorax and the Grinch who stole Christmas and all these things.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, he was. He was absolutely racist as
Speaker 2: the fuck. Here he is making fun of your brethren, actually, Samuel,
Speaker 2: but yeah, he's making a joke about all the Asian
Speaker 2: immigrants to California and they're handing them dynamite for it,
Speaker 2: you know, walking along the road, it says, waiting for
Speaker 2: the signal from home as the Japanese with the TNT
Speaker 2: Honorable fifth Column and things. Yeah, he was. Doctor Seuss
Speaker 2: was kind of a raging piece of shit, to be honest.
Speaker 5: Then.
Speaker 3: I mean, that was probably in the fifties, I'm guessing right, fifties, sixties.
Speaker 13: Probably the forties because Japan attacked Paul Harbor and there
Speaker 13: was a family that did get Japanese family on one
Speaker 13: of the Hawaiian islands that did get executed because they
Speaker 13: helped a down Japanese pilot.
Speaker 2: Yep, it's very factual information. But yeah, anyway, just so
Speaker 2: we're all clear, doctor Seuss wasn't the kind hero that
Speaker 2: everybody makes him out to be. That's for goddamn sure.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 14: Actually, oh, there's there's arguments. I've been listening about it
Speaker 14: because of the over the Japanese thing. If that didn't happen,
Speaker 14: it was probably a high likelihood that there.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't have been a Japanese intermament camps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which also then the fuck what was it?
Speaker 2: Is it one hundred and forty fourth Infantry Battalion that
Speaker 2: was comprised of only Japanese descendants that in the army,
Speaker 2: And they didn't send them to the Pacific Theater. They
Speaker 2: sent them to the European Theater. And those dudes they
Speaker 2: took names. They fucking left blood trails for what they
Speaker 2: did because they were trying to prove to the world. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we happen to be Japanese, but we're not supported of
Speaker 2: this shit where Americans first, And yeah, you can look
Speaker 2: at their battlefield records. They took tons of losses, but
Speaker 2: they had some brazenly, insanely valorous charges into enemy territory.
Speaker 3: But anyway, anyway, wild things, just getting back over the
Speaker 3: chat because we were falling behind here. White boy Wizard said,
Speaker 3: all the way back, what up, you lovely folks?
Speaker 2: What up?
Speaker 3: Ali Kat said, what's up you beautiful souls?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: What a different sentiment. And we still somehow take both
Speaker 3: of those to heart.
Speaker 2: We do, we do? They both give me the warming bussies.
Speaker 3: Ashton said, you got to nurture the inner child to
Speaker 3: enter heaven. Most adults are spiritually dead read Matthew eighteen three.
Speaker 3: And I'll just I pulled it up just out of curiosity,
Speaker 3: but I remember reading this. Matthew eighteen three states that
Speaker 3: unless you change and become like little children, you will
Speaker 3: never enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That was in reference to Jesus was teaching and
Speaker 2: some kids ran up to come see him in the
Speaker 2: ap We're basically telling these kids a fuck off, and
Speaker 2: He's like, no, no, no, Let the kids in because
Speaker 2: if you don't start learning it at their age, you'll
Speaker 2: never understand it. You all need to have the mind
Speaker 2: of a child when trying to understand the father.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dirty, Sanchez said, missed you all dirty? Same same uh,
Speaker 3: White boy Wizard said, bro I told my nephews at
Speaker 3: Christmas that Israel was being a piece of shit. Far
Speaker 3: forward or fast forward to now they're headed down the
Speaker 3: rabbit holes now, proud uncle, fuck yeah man, nice one
Speaker 3: ring to rule them all. Shared a post that says
Speaker 3: from eighteen to nine, Iraq shocking new law sparks global outrage.
Speaker 3: Parliament just approved amendments allowing girls as young as nine
Speaker 3: to be married. This decision overturns decades of progress under
Speaker 3: the nineteen fifty nine Personal Status Law, which had protected
Speaker 3: women's rights and set the legal marriage at eighteen. This
Speaker 3: move is being condemned worldwide as a major said back
Speaker 3: for women and children's rights human rights. Human rights groups
Speaker 3: warned that it that it opens the door to abuse
Speaker 3: and strips away critical protections like divorce and inheritance. What
Speaker 3: was once seen as a model for women's equality in
Speaker 3: the Middle East is now at risk of being erased.
Speaker 2: Wow. Nine, Yeah, Iraq just made that a new national
Speaker 2: law that you can I can't have a father. You
Speaker 2: can marry off your daughter at nine years old, but
Speaker 2: I have a nine year old daughter. Yeah, I can't say.
Speaker 3: I'll be goddamned No, dude, I mean do it. My
Speaker 3: daughter's thirteen. I'll be damned with that.
Speaker 2: It's disgusting and uh yeah, but that's that's just their culture,
Speaker 2: you know, that's that's just that's okay with them. I mean, hell,
Speaker 2: their prophet, pretty Donna his name married was a six
Speaker 2: year old and then waited till she was nine or
Speaker 2: I'm getting the ages a little confused here before he
Speaker 2: actually ended up fucking her. He was a giant to
Speaker 2: understood that she was playing with dolls at the time
Speaker 2: when he consummated the fucking marriage dude, gross, it's disgusting,
Speaker 2: good spirit animal.
Speaker 6: So she was six years old and he read it
Speaker 6: till she was nine before he sucked it. Okay, well, yeah,
Speaker 6: there there is no chance in hell that some bitch
Speaker 6: is in heaven. He even said that if I if
Speaker 6: I blasphemed him and did any revelations of scripture that
Speaker 6: did not come from Allah's lips, may he severn my order.
Speaker 4: Guess how that little fucker died.
Speaker 2: It's fucking great, I know. So.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Also, whenever an angel says, hey, uh, be not afraid
Speaker 6: and everything, they too, because hey, they are fucking scary looking.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 6: And he but Muhammad was prophesied to come about well
Speaker 6: before he was one. He said, if anyone shall teach
Speaker 6: the gospels that we have not revealed to you, do
Speaker 6: not trust him, for even an a the devil shall
Speaker 6: masquerade as an angel of the light. And opposed to
Speaker 6: the angel that showed itself to Mohammad in the caves,
Speaker 6: his name was Angel Jibil, which well, I butchered that
Speaker 6: but which it is Arabic for gable wheel, and he
Speaker 6: possessed Mohammed tossed that bitch around the cave like Batista
Speaker 6: and he Mohammed ran away, ran to Aisha, Uh cried
Speaker 6: on her tunic, and he contemplated suicide because for because
Speaker 6: and then Uh Lucifer came to him and Uh made
Speaker 6: him possessed him to painfully write out the Qur'an, which
Speaker 6: Mohammad was illiterate, and half the shit that's in it
Speaker 6: makes no goddamn sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, I just not trying to shit on anybody's
Speaker 2: personal religious beliefs. So I get mind, shit on a
Speaker 2: good bit from time time doesn't feel good. I get that.
Speaker 2: But you know, it doesn't take much critical thinking to
Speaker 2: look at the backstory and be like, huh, this kind
Speaker 2: of doesn't check out. You know, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: know people are gonna be like, wow, Jacob, you really
Speaker 2: said that. Yeah, no, I did. I did because I
Speaker 2: believe that the Bible is one hundred percent truth, and
Speaker 2: you can look into it. You could see when it
Speaker 2: was written, the time, place and audience, the context, all
Speaker 2: these things. You could try to do that with the Quran,
Speaker 2: and the more you do it, the more disgusting and
Speaker 2: wrong and bad it gets. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's very clear, except whenever somebody tries to challenge those beliefs,
Speaker 3: and then they get shut on, ship on and shut up,
Speaker 3: and you know, haggled and all the fun things.
Speaker 4: I'll let, I'll let. I'll debate you anytime about about Christianity.
Speaker 4: I love having conversations.
Speaker 6: I have a daily conversation with voice between Judaism and Christianity.
Speaker 4: That sh it's awesome.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can say I do how you question things,
Speaker 6: it doesn't really offend me because it doesn't shake my
Speaker 6: belief in Jesus.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, that's not what I'm trying to do at all. Like,
Speaker 3: I know, some people kind of took it that way
Speaker 3: that I'm like, see, you're you know, you're wrong for
Speaker 3: believing it. I'm just saying, you know, I was kind
Speaker 3: of just bringing up some points that was like, man,
Speaker 3: like this is kind of taking a giant leap of
Speaker 3: faith by believing it, and so I was just trying
Speaker 3: to point to it being a myth. The myth doesn't
Speaker 3: like if something is mythological, at least to me, I
Speaker 3: look at everything as mythological, Like it doesn't mean that
Speaker 3: nothing exists to me and nothing's real and there is
Speaker 3: no God or anything. Just by looking at something mythological
Speaker 3: that that was kind of my point.
Speaker 2: The premise of a myth would be that it's not real. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but what's the message? But a myth means that it's
Speaker 2: not real. You can get a you can get a
Speaker 2: message from reading a fictitious book. That doesn't make the
Speaker 2: fictitious story real. Jonah and the Well, which I am
Speaker 2: of the belief. As a matter of fact, there's actually
Speaker 2: a secular source to talk about the dude who came
Speaker 2: in smelling like fish, who we would now know to
Speaker 2: be Jonah, who the way he got to where he
Speaker 2: was going makes no fucking sense. But yeah, hold on, dude,
Speaker 2: how long? How long was he supposed to be in
Speaker 2: that whales mouth? It's been a minute since I looked
Speaker 2: at the story. I'll look it up. I want to
Speaker 2: say three days, but I don't want to misspeak. As
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, just hold that thought. But what's
Speaker 2: your point?
Speaker 3: My point is is that it sounds ridiculous as a
Speaker 3: real story, and what can you garner from the deeper
Speaker 3: underlying message is what I was trying to say, Like
Speaker 3: Jesus spoke in parables for a reason, like you were
Speaker 3: like almost never meant to take him literal, right.
Speaker 2: Like three days and three nights. And also what do
Speaker 2: you mean by that?
Speaker 3: I'm saying most of Jesus sayings are kind of parables
Speaker 3: and not to be taken literal, right is it not
Speaker 3: understood if.
Speaker 2: You're supposed to take literal? But as a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: hold on, I want to look up. I just snapped
Speaker 2: this picture of a story as far as like dude
Speaker 2: surviving in whales and things like that. Have you ever
Speaker 2: heard of the story of James Bartley? I can't say
Speaker 2: it half. Imagine being swallowed alive by a colossal sea creature,
Speaker 2: engulfed in total darkness, submerged in the living furnace of acid,
Speaker 2: mucus and crushing pressure. Then, after hours of unimaginable terror,
Speaker 2: you emerge alive, breathing, blinded by the light, and you
Speaker 2: are no longer just a man. You are a legend.
Speaker 2: In eighteen ninety one, aboard the British whaling ship Star
Speaker 2: of the East, near the Falkland Islands, a crew set
Speaker 2: out after a giant sperm whale. Amid the chaos of
Speaker 2: the hunt, a young sailor named James Bartley fell into
Speaker 2: the sea and vanished. His crewmates believed that he had
Speaker 2: drowned or worse, been swallowed whole by the whale. Hours passed,
Speaker 2: and the crew eventually harpooned the whale and hauled its
Speaker 2: massive body aboard the harvest to harvest's valuable oil. But
Speaker 2: with they found inside shocked them to their core. Within
Speaker 2: the stomach of the beast, they discovered Bartley, still alive,
Speaker 2: unconscious and coated in layers of digestive slime. For nearly
Speaker 2: two days. James Bartley had survived entombed in the bell
Speaker 2: of this beast. When he regained consciousness, he described a
Speaker 2: suffocating world of heat, stench, and pitch darkness, walls pressing
Speaker 2: in every breath of struggle. His skin had been permanently
Speaker 2: scarred the whale's stomach acids, and he would never fully recover,
Speaker 2: But he became known as the modern Jonah, a living
Speaker 2: witness to the terrifying power of nature and the fragility
Speaker 2: of man. This tale remains etched in maritime lore as
Speaker 2: both miracle and mystery. A man swallowed by the sea
Speaker 2: itself and return so once again. Even in modern Ish times.
Speaker 2: They're talking the eighteen hundreds. Homeboy gets swallowed by a
Speaker 2: whale and survives for two days inside of the whale
Speaker 2: and then gets recovered. So once again, yes, 'tis possible.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you're kind of changing your tone on that.
Speaker 2: Over the years.
Speaker 3: You used to always say that it was a parable,
Speaker 3: and you're only just now coming around to the fact
Speaker 3: that it's a believable story. And I think that you're
Speaker 3: only really having that point of view just to combat me.
Speaker 3: But that's totally fine.
Speaker 2: No, I have always said that, like, yes, could that
Speaker 2: be a real story and God made some miraculous shit happen? Yeah? Absolutely,
Speaker 2: could that also be a parable? Sure it could be.
Speaker 2: But again this proves that at least it's possible to
Speaker 2: have that exact thing happened, swallowed by a whale and
Speaker 2: then spat up later still alive. How could you survive
Speaker 2: in a fish for that long? That's crazy. They did
Speaker 2: it in the eighteen hundreds, so you know, I was
Speaker 2: not entirely as long as your boy. You're right, it
Speaker 2: was two days, not three. Bro, Come on here, I
Speaker 2: don't know how much life survived. I don't know how
Speaker 2: much longer he could have survived.
Speaker 3: I don't know how much longer. It said that it
Speaker 3: was like caving in on him. He couldn't have lasted
Speaker 3: longer than that, right, didn't isn't that what it was
Speaker 3: alluding to?
Speaker 2: Yes? But also that was a sperm whale. I have
Speaker 2: no idea the breed of whale that swallowed Jonah. And
Speaker 2: again it's very miraculous that that's even a biblical story.
Speaker 2: But my point is that, yes, there is at least
Speaker 2: some credence to say that that is a possible thing
Speaker 2: that realistically took place, not in a parable or a metaphor,
Speaker 2: but physically in real life. Right.
Speaker 3: But my point, my point about all that is that
Speaker 3: now you're saying that Jesus never spoke in parables because
Speaker 3: he was only speaking about truths because all parables you're
Speaker 3: not supposed to take it literally, right, Like, So, like,
Speaker 3: I don't understand what you're trying to say now, because
Speaker 3: like what part are we not supposed to Are you
Speaker 3: supposed to literally take all of it literal? Like how
Speaker 3: do you know which parts to take literal? Yes, that's sam.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm not understanding your question. Brother, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be honest with you. So, Jesus preached in parables
Speaker 2: for a reason. There was there was a very specific
Speaker 2: reason why he did this instead of just giving people
Speaker 2: outright boom boom boom, here's what you do. He told
Speaker 2: stories of how to apply the will of God to
Speaker 2: your life.
Speaker 3: Right, and and the Gnostics spoke but nothing in parables.
Speaker 3: And they're said to be heretical craziness.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, their heretical craziness is because they literally
Speaker 2: said that Jesus wasn't real. It was the spirit of Jesus,
Speaker 2: and that he wasn't a physical in which goes against
Speaker 2: the shroud of touring being real, which we did a
Speaker 2: whole episode so on how real that is. It might
Speaker 2: not be bro If that's not real, then it is
Speaker 2: the best forgery known to man, to them to the
Speaker 2: tune of the correct pollen.
Speaker 3: And we're talking about we're talking about literally, this is
Speaker 3: another conversation of the God of the gaps, like this
Speaker 3: is well, because we can't explain it now, then it
Speaker 3: must be God right, like people have been doing that
Speaker 3: literally for centuries until people have found out how to
Speaker 3: do it. It's like, what what happens whenever they figure
Speaker 3: out how to do it? What I mean, what are
Speaker 3: you saying about that?
Speaker 2: There's no way that they would have known in the allegedly.
Speaker 2: If it's a forgery, then it came about in the
Speaker 2: fifteen hundreds. There is no way of knowing in the
Speaker 2: fifteen hundreds that, oh, wait, wait for this forgery. We
Speaker 2: need to go get some flowers from Jerusalem and make
Speaker 2: sure that we sprinkle that pollen on this cloth to
Speaker 2: make sure that somebody in the future will have a
Speaker 2: thing called a laboratory and they'll break.
Speaker 6: It down and do this.
Speaker 2: There's no way that they would have had that change
Speaker 2: to make that forgery that correct. That thing changed so
Speaker 2: many hands, I know, and that's my point. There's a
Speaker 2: chain of custody that you could track all the way
Speaker 2: to the original church in Antioch. Like it. The chain
Speaker 2: of custody lines up. There's no way that that's a fake.
Speaker 3: I don't even want to be the guy that says
Speaker 3: all of this is wrong.
Speaker 2: I'm not. It's not my religion. I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 2: being that guy anymore. I'm not.
Speaker 3: Don't even ask me about anything religious or Christian anymore.
Speaker 3: I don't even want to go there because now I'm
Speaker 3: I don't like being the bad guy. I don't want
Speaker 3: to be that like. I already got enough shit from
Speaker 3: people's you know, not everybody you know. Of course, there
Speaker 3: are some people that actually really fucked with those episodes
Speaker 3: and everything, and I thank you guys, but there, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't want to be the adversary, the satan, if
Speaker 3: you will, I'm not. That's not the role I want
Speaker 3: to play.
Speaker 2: No, but even you during the Shroud of Touring conversation,
Speaker 2: you were talking about how real it is you're changing
Speaker 2: your tune now and it seems just to combat meat.
Speaker 2: You just accused me of doing this a few minutes ago.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that it's only right to evolve
Speaker 3: your understanding. And even then, whenever I was doing the
Speaker 3: whole Shroud of torn thing, I was bringing up other
Speaker 3: examples of it.
Speaker 2: What do you mean examples?
Speaker 3: What was it Homegirl in fucking Mexico or Spain or
Speaker 3: some shit that kept on seeing the stains pop up
Speaker 3: on their on their cement floor.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's not the same as the Shroud of Touring. Dude.
Speaker 2: There was that case of those girls that saw the
Speaker 2: Blessed Mother Mary once upon a time, and they got
Speaker 2: seen as like local heroes because of it, and they
Speaker 2: got seen as like prophets and shit. It was like, bro,
Speaker 2: that's not the same as an actual physical cloth that
Speaker 2: Jesus war to his tomb.
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know. I die like I'm just saying
Speaker 3: I don't know what I don't know. I can't say
Speaker 3: that I absolutely know that the shroud of torn is
Speaker 3: a is a real thing. I'm just saying, I'm I'm
Speaker 3: open for it being either way.
Speaker 2: But can you at least acknowledge as far as Joan
Speaker 2: and the Whale goes that the story I just read
Speaker 2: at least gives a little bit of credence to the
Speaker 2: possibility that that physically he could have happened. Sure, Yeah,
Speaker 2: two days in the whale and survived three days. And
Speaker 2: I don't even know if it was like if they
Speaker 2: would have waited one more hour, if he would have died.
Speaker 2: I don't know that. I don't know how long a
Speaker 2: person can physically live inside the belly of a whale.
Speaker 2: But this guy successfully could do it for two Jonah
Speaker 2: allegedly did it for three. I feel like it's not
Speaker 2: that far of a stress.
Speaker 3: But do you see like how you like, Christians are
Speaker 3: geared to win the argument either way, which is frustrating
Speaker 3: because it's either it's It's not that silly it could
Speaker 3: have happened, and look, here's an example of him almost
Speaker 3: getting there. But then you bring up the flood and
Speaker 3: it's like, well, dude, you just gotta have faith. That's
Speaker 3: the only way. Like there's no other way. You just
Speaker 3: gotta have faith. And it's like you there is no
Speaker 3: disproving like that's and that's kind of like the pickle
Speaker 3: that I'm in. That's why I said, I'm distancing myself
Speaker 3: from it because you can't convince somebody who has been convinced.
Speaker 2: So quit trying to disprove it and acknowledge it to
Speaker 2: be true. It's so much easier this way. No, No,
Speaker 2: come on, like you're trying to disprove the one plug
Speaker 2: equals two so hard, And it's like, brother, I promise you,
Speaker 2: it's a lot easier if you accept it as a
Speaker 2: true statement.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be subject to the hypnosis.
Speaker 2: That's not me. You don't have to. In fact, you
Speaker 2: should think critically about every step of it. That's the point.
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, And that's people don't like that. You
Speaker 2: should any Christian out there that just does that and
Speaker 2: doesn't think critically. He gave you a book, you think
Speaker 2: he didn't want you to analyze it. You should analyze it.
Speaker 2: That's the point. Dig deeper, find context, find true meaning,
Speaker 2: find original translations, go against certain narratives to try to
Speaker 2: push against and find the truth. That's the whole point.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: And I will say this, dude, And I know, and
Speaker 3: this is another thing, because you know, it's seen as
Speaker 3: a good act and a pious act for you to
Speaker 3: kind of push your religion onto other people because you
Speaker 3: believe that it will save that person. Right, So I
Speaker 3: know that it comes from a very kind place in
Speaker 3: your heart. But I will say it's pretty it's pretty
Speaker 3: aggravating actually, like I don't know, it's like it's almost
Speaker 3: conceited in a way, is kind of the way that
Speaker 3: I look at it, because you're saying, to be you,
Speaker 3: poor thing, you just don't get it, let me help
Speaker 3: you with it.
Speaker 2: And in that way, it's almost like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't like that. If that's how I come across,
Speaker 2: then I apologize. It's never meant to be that way
Speaker 2: of belittling anyone or making someone feel like they're dumb
Speaker 2: for not believing it. Not at all. But if you
Speaker 2: have questions about why I believe what I believe or
Speaker 2: why the book might say certain things like, then let's
Speaker 2: open the conversation and let's let's have that discussion, right,
Speaker 2: And I mean at the end of it, if we
Speaker 2: agree to disagree, then that's just what it is.
Speaker 3: But you know, you understand though, like how if a
Speaker 3: lot of that can if from a perspective, a lot
Speaker 3: of those stories can be debunked, then it has to
Speaker 3: it falls under the term of conspiracy.
Speaker 13: Right.
Speaker 2: But again, I don't believe that there's book stories that
Speaker 2: can be debunked. There are some things that are questionable,
Speaker 2: and I will give you that, and there are certain
Speaker 2: things that are more raculous that defy all logic or understanding.
Speaker 2: I agree with that as well, But that doesn't take
Speaker 2: away from truth.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: The truth is you know, it's like the apple of
Speaker 3: the individual, you know what I mean, It's like it's
Speaker 3: it's your truth. It's I don't know if it's the truth.
Speaker 3: I mean not to say, like who am I to
Speaker 3: say what the truth is? What I'm saying is is
Speaker 3: that that is what you have accepted as truth.
Speaker 2: But see, I disagree with that too, and we've had
Speaker 2: this conversation. I don't believe in like subjective truths. I
Speaker 2: believe in objective truths. It's like basketball. You can't if
Speaker 2: you believe the ball went in the hoop, then it did.
Speaker 2: I disagree with that. It either did or did not
Speaker 2: go in the hoop both. You can't have one or
Speaker 2: the other. And like there's no I'm not saying, oh,
Speaker 2: it didn't go in the hoop, so you're an evil. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: or it went in the hoop, so oh you're just
Speaker 2: so righteous. Look that's a perspective thing, and I get that,
Speaker 2: but you can't like take away from it being a
Speaker 2: one or a zero on this.
Speaker 3: But you already said that, like you already like you're saying,
Speaker 3: it can't be subjective or up or it has to
Speaker 3: be objective, like.
Speaker 2: The ball went in the hoop or it didn't. Now
Speaker 2: you could feel how you want to feel about it,
Speaker 2: whether your team won, and that was the winning basket,
Speaker 2: so you saw that as an inherent good, or that
Speaker 2: basket made your team loose, so you saw it as
Speaker 2: an inherent not good. Either way, the ball did or
Speaker 2: did not go in the hoop. And that's a fact.
Speaker 2: That's the truth that can't be changed based off of opinion.
Speaker 3: Is it an objective truth that the entire world flooded
Speaker 3: and a guy lived to be a thousand years old,
Speaker 3: and he spent one hundred of those years building a
Speaker 3: boat to prepare for it, and.
Speaker 2: Then lived on that boat for over a year, and
Speaker 2: you know all the animals and all that right, Like
Speaker 2: that is you're telling me right now, you can stand there,
Speaker 2: tell me, no, it's like that cannot be an objective truth.
Speaker 2: You understand that. I believe that it is.
Speaker 3: Yes, there's no proof, like that's the the whole brainwashing
Speaker 3: of the whole thing, like that cannot be an objective truth,
Speaker 3: it's impossible.
Speaker 2: And then the whole thing about him living that long.
Speaker 2: It's not like Noah is the the only person in
Speaker 2: history that lived that long. There is tons of example,
Speaker 2: secular examples Egyptian, uh Samerian, Mesopotamian, all having dudes that
Speaker 2: lived thousands of years. It's not like that's a crazy
Speaker 2: thing that no other culture has ever spoken about. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I personally think that that is a truth.
Speaker 2: I understand why somebody would disagree with that, And I
Speaker 2: don't think that you're dumb for disagreeing with it or
Speaker 2: and I don't look down on anybody for disagreeing.
Speaker 3: Let me just clarify real quick, and this is the
Speaker 3: definition of an objective truth, just so we're all. We're
Speaker 3: not confusing definitions here, because I don't think you get it.
Speaker 3: An objective truth refers to facts or realities that are true,
Speaker 3: regardless of individual beliefs or perceptions.
Speaker 2: Meaning I just said that's what I literally said. The
Speaker 2: basketball went in the hoop or it didn't, and then
Speaker 2: you can feel whatever way you want about it, but
Speaker 2: it doesn't change if it did or didn't go in
Speaker 2: the hoop. Brother, Listen, you didn't even hear me finish it.
Speaker 3: Meaning they can be verified and are consistent wait for
Speaker 3: it for everyone.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 3: So therefore, it cannot be an objective truth. Not everybody
Speaker 3: agrees with it, it's not obvious to everybody. It can't
Speaker 3: be objective.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair, But I have a yes, I believe it
Speaker 2: is a fact that Noah did go on the arc
Speaker 2: and live that long. Hell, I know Christians, Tony one
Speaker 2: of them, as a matter of fact, who doesn't believe
Speaker 2: that that story actually happened. And that's why I'll think
Speaker 2: I don't look down on him for thinking that Tony
Speaker 2: has lived his life to construct his own opinions and
Speaker 2: beliefs based off of it, and still finds truth within
Speaker 2: the Bible, even if the Book of Genesis has some
Speaker 2: stuff in it that he doesn't exactly get down with.
Speaker 2: And that's fine. That is a hymn thing.
Speaker 3: Just so we are clear an objective truth as the
Speaker 3: synonym the synonym that you were trying to make as
Speaker 3: a ball went in the hole or it didn't go
Speaker 3: in the hole. Can we can Can you say out
Speaker 3: loud that the biblical flood and Noah's ark is not
Speaker 3: an objective truth?
Speaker 2: Just yes or no? Okay, let me answer that question
Speaker 2: with a question. All right, can you give me a
Speaker 2: tree falls in the woods and no one's around to
Speaker 2: hear it, Is it an objective truth that it made noise?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: It is. It is a guarantee that the tree made
Speaker 2: noise even if no one was around to hear it.
Speaker 3: But it depends, actually, because some people would say that
Speaker 3: in you know, certain things need to be observed, sir.
Speaker 3: That's what quantum physics is all about.
Speaker 2: And I'm of the belief that whether somebody's around to
Speaker 2: observe it or not, if a thing happened and you know,
Speaker 2: that it was a loud thing. It doesn't matter if
Speaker 2: somebody's around to hear it.
Speaker 3: Yes, same with just remember like you just said it,
Speaker 3: you're of the belief, so it's not a factual thing.
Speaker 2: It's dude, Yes, a tree falling in the woods is
Speaker 2: gonna make noise regardless if someone's around to hear it.
Speaker 2: That's not even a belief, that's a fact. Okay, je
Speaker 2: What does that have to do with the rice in
Speaker 2: China at the price of tea in China? But okay,
Speaker 2: So that's that's what I'm saying. As far as the
Speaker 2: Noah thing goes, I understand why that is a crazy
Speaker 2: story and why people would disagree with it and find
Speaker 2: some faults within it. I get it. So not objective, right,
Speaker 2: I believe it is an objective truth. Now we're just
Speaker 2: changing we're just changing definitions now. So this do you
Speaker 2: understand my frustration?
Speaker 6: Like this is?
Speaker 3: This is my frustration is whenever people say these crazy, astronomical,
Speaker 3: miraculous things are objective truths, and yet I'm the crazy one.
Speaker 3: That's that's where I'm the crazy one for saying.
Speaker 2: That You're not crazy for asking questions.
Speaker 3: Dude, No, no, no, I'm crazy for my beliefs, but like,
Speaker 3: because Christians belief in objective truths.
Speaker 2: That's what it's the frustration when your beliefs and this
Speaker 2: is gonna this is gonna be in Cindy Heary. Now, No,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna reword how I'm about to say that, because
Speaker 2: that's that's gonna piss people all when the beliefs that
Speaker 2: you hold to be true are based in feelings more
Speaker 2: than reality. Yeah, I would say that that's a that's
Speaker 2: a dynamic thing, that's a you thing, not just you jonk.
Speaker 2: I'm saying like to the individual, if you believe that
Speaker 2: certain things are true and those truths are only tied
Speaker 2: to your feelings on the matter rather than the facts
Speaker 2: of the matter, then yeah, that's a problem.
Speaker 3: Well, and this is you know, kind of the argument
Speaker 3: of the gnostics is that certain things will resonate because
Speaker 3: it's not necessarily that you're seeing and learning something for
Speaker 3: the first time. It's the gnostic idea is that you
Speaker 3: are remembering. So it's a completely different ideology. And I
Speaker 3: understand that, like the Gnostic understanding is not objective, and
Speaker 3: I'm here to say that I'm not gnostic, but like
Speaker 3: I vibe more with the gnostic stuff than I do
Speaker 3: the literal stuff.
Speaker 2: But you look at their creation story that they held
Speaker 2: to be true. They hailed this to be a fact.
Speaker 2: They didn't hold it to be a metaphor. I'm not gnostic.
Speaker 2: So no, no, no, I'm not saying I'm saying the
Speaker 2: Gnostics the one they themselves what they got down with.
Speaker 2: And yes, we could talk about them with the children
Speaker 2: or the sex or you know, the types of lifestyles
Speaker 2: that they lived and how they basically just took little
Speaker 2: bits of this and little bits of that and made
Speaker 2: it their own thing. It was based off of their
Speaker 2: feelings rather than the facts of the situation. So that's
Speaker 2: a problem.
Speaker 3: I'm, like I said, I'm impartial to it. I'm not gnostic.
Speaker 3: I don't declare myself to be of anything.
Speaker 2: But that's the point. I mean.
Speaker 3: The point is is that just because somebody has some
Speaker 3: crazy beliefs doesn't mean just because somebody has different beliefs
Speaker 3: than you does not mean that it gives you the
Speaker 3: right to go and murder them in God's name.
Speaker 2: And that was the argument that I was bringing up
Speaker 2: for the Cathars. Yeah, no, I agree, I agree that
Speaker 2: you shouldn't kill somebody for their beliefs, especially in a
Speaker 2: genocidal way. That's disgusting and that goes against the entire
Speaker 2: premise of the book that you claim, not you, that
Speaker 2: the Catholic Church claims that they held nearest and dearest.
Speaker 2: But yeah, again, I cannot wait for the cathar episode.
Speaker 2: It is going to be dope. All right.
Speaker 3: We got a line of people waiting Ashton your thoughts there.
Speaker 5: So the first thing I was gonna say, I just
Speaker 5: want to skip over this quickly. Pretty sure when you
Speaker 5: guys were talking about Aisha, Muhammad's wife, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 5: her name is equivalent in Islam as Muhammad. For woman's names,
Speaker 5: like women, female babies, they get named Ayisha just as
Speaker 5: much as Muhamad. Correct me if I'm wrong. But as
Speaker 5: far what I really wanted to say was, after you
Speaker 5: guys went on that long one day, was I think religion,
Speaker 5: as far as Western Abrahamic faiths go, it's an existential
Speaker 5: pacifier for certain groups of people. I mean, I had
Speaker 5: spiritual experiences in all three where I was shown like, oh,
Speaker 5: that's why I'm not a believer in Judaism, That's why
Speaker 5: I'm not a believer in Islam. That's why I'm more
Speaker 5: aligned with the Christian even though I was raising it.
Speaker 5: But now I'm looking into kashmir Shaivism, which is a
Speaker 5: branch of Hinduism that I really resonate with. So I mean,
Speaker 5: you can look at them all. They're all valid in
Speaker 5: their own ways, but you don't have them in it.
Speaker 5: I don't even know. It's more of a mystic branch.
Speaker 5: And what I was also going to say was, even
Speaker 5: though religion is more of an existential pacifier, they all
Speaker 5: have mysticism within them. Judaism has Kabbalism, Christianity has gnosticism,
Speaker 5: and Islam has Sufism, which I align more with those
Speaker 5: three than religion.
Speaker 2: Shot.
Speaker 5: That's yeah, That's that's all I had on you.
Speaker 2: Guys rant there.
Speaker 5: But I mean Religi for me, religion bad, mysticism good.
Speaker 3: And look, I think the moral of the story is
Speaker 3: is that I don't think that anybody should have any
Speaker 3: problem with with other people believing different from you.
Speaker 2: The main issue, the main issue, I don't have a
Speaker 2: problem with anyone.
Speaker 3: The main issue is is whenever crazy people that believe
Speaker 3: in crazy things are calling other crazy people believing another
Speaker 3: crazy things crazy, right, Like, I give you an example,
Speaker 3: I grew up my brother was a he was a
Speaker 3: bit of a chubby one, okay, like he was a
Speaker 3: chunky one. And his and my best friend, which was
Speaker 3: my best friend's sister growing up. Her name was Lindsey,
Speaker 3: not the Docks or anything like that, but anyway, she
Speaker 3: was also a little chunky, right, And they used to
Speaker 3: always call each other fatty all the time. Get away
Speaker 3: from me, fatty, get out of here, fat ass. And
Speaker 3: it was always hilarious to me because it's like, bro,
Speaker 3: both of you can like lay off of the snacks,
Speaker 3: both of you can afford to fast for a couple
Speaker 3: of days, right, Like, neither one of you have the
Speaker 3: right to call anybody fat, you know.
Speaker 2: And that's that's kind of where I'm coming from.
Speaker 3: When when you have certain relige, just people saying that
Speaker 3: other religious beliefs are crazy, when it's like, man, look
Speaker 3: at the mirror of what you believe, like you have
Speaker 3: no right to be saying that anybody's crazy. And that
Speaker 3: was my entire point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, what who killed the mystics the religions themselves? Did?
Speaker 5: I mean, these mystics were heretics and all eyes and
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say cobblists, they're more just occulted. But Sufi's
Speaker 5: were killed. Gnostics were killed in both Christianity and Islam.
Speaker 2: I mean huch. It also kills me about the Kabbalists,
Speaker 2: and I agree with you that they are occultists, and
Speaker 2: they were of the Judaic religion. That being said, Deuteronomy
Speaker 2: eighteen literally talks about occult practices. And that's tora. That's
Speaker 2: not Christian, that is Jewish. I'll read it real quick.
Speaker 2: Occult practice. Deuteronomy eighteen, verse nine. When you enter the
Speaker 2: land of the Lord your God is giving you, do
Speaker 2: not learn to imitate or the detestable ways of the nations. There.
Speaker 2: Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their
Speaker 2: son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery,
Speaker 2: interprets omens, engages in witchcraft or cast spells, or who
Speaker 2: is a medium or spiraitists, or who consults with the dead.
Speaker 2: Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord.
Speaker 2: Because of these same detestable practices, the Lord your God
Speaker 2: will drive out those nations before you. You must be
Speaker 2: blameless before the Lord your God. Now that is Deuteronomy,
Speaker 2: that's Old Testament that's tora. So why in the fuck
Speaker 2: do the Jews do the cobb bal a thing which
Speaker 2: is Jewish occultism when their own torra says not to
Speaker 2: fuck with the occult It makes no sense to me,
Speaker 2: bro And I'm not saying that to shit on Judaism.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that just in general, it makes no sense.
Speaker 2: To be fair, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: And we've talked about this before about how kind of
Speaker 3: like Secret Society seemed to be not so much of
Speaker 3: a big thing anymore.
Speaker 2: They're starting to lose a lot of their members.
Speaker 3: And I can't say so much for the Kabalists, but
Speaker 3: for the Freemasons, they seem to be running out right.
Speaker 2: Which they are Cobblis, but yes, continue right right.
Speaker 3: And my point is is that everything is available on
Speaker 3: the internet nowadays, Like you can find all of the teachings,
Speaker 3: you can find the Gnostic teachings, you can find the
Speaker 3: Kabbalist teachings, you can find the the Sufi teachings.
Speaker 2: All of these, all of them, like, it is all
Speaker 2: available on the internet.
Speaker 3: So to even call anything a cult anymore, I don't
Speaker 3: even know if that's the correct term, because something that
Speaker 3: is a cult is covered like you can't get to
Speaker 3: that information, like it's.
Speaker 2: Covered two hundred years ago. The Internet made things uncovered, right,
Speaker 2: That's that's what I'm saying. Like now, right now, every
Speaker 2: single like secret society, brotherhood teaching, you can, everybody can
Speaker 2: find it.
Speaker 3: Like it's not a secret anymore. So to even call
Speaker 3: it a secret society, like, yeah, maybe whenever the book
Speaker 3: was written, it was all secret societies and it was
Speaker 3: all hidden, and yeah, they were probably going wrong according
Speaker 3: to the Bible, oh, especially according to the Old Testament, right,
Speaker 3: but like nowadays, I mean, if you don't understand Cobbalism
Speaker 3: and you're looking at it like it's evil, it's like
Speaker 3: you have access to go and look at what it says,
Speaker 3: like it's it's not a secret anymore.
Speaker 2: I mean even in the New Testament it talks about
Speaker 2: let the secret societies, if it's done in the dark,
Speaker 2: let it be brought to light, like it's it's shitting
Speaker 2: on the secret societies and the cults, and it has
Speaker 2: been drawn to light exactly, but it's that's the reason
Speaker 2: for it being brought to light was so that it
Speaker 2: could be judged by the public, and that that's the
Speaker 2: whole point. So I mean to your point, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess calling it still a cult meaning hidden, I guess
Speaker 2: that is like a bit of a misnomer these days.
Speaker 2: But if it wasn't for the invention of the internet,
Speaker 2: that wouldn't be true either. That's more of a recent
Speaker 2: thing now.
Speaker 3: That doesn't necessarily mean that, like, like you know, Freemasons
Speaker 3: are still practicing in buildings without windows, right, like, so
Speaker 3: it's still not out in the open. But I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know, is a your bedtime prayer isn't not
Speaker 3: in the open?
Speaker 13: Is that?
Speaker 2: Is that a cult?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: I mean, oh, I see what you're saying. I mean
Speaker 2: it could be. Personally, I wouldn't mind if my prayers
Speaker 2: like made it to the world. But I get no,
Speaker 2: because I guess that there's something that is really weighing
Speaker 2: on my heart that's like a super personal thing. I
Speaker 2: don't want that to be brought to the public's eye.
Speaker 2: Ye objectively, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, uh, it isn't. King Solomon completely contradictory to that
Speaker 5: passage in Deuteronomy.
Speaker 2: Which is why he lost his seat of power, you're correct,
Speaker 2: which is why in the last few years of his
Speaker 2: life he got built.
Speaker 5: And he I mean, the Lord let him do all
Speaker 5: that stuff. So essentially he's just a tool of the
Speaker 5: Lord in order to work out the Lord's plan.
Speaker 2: In that sense, everybody has free will, and even the
Speaker 2: heroes of the Bible. Fuck. David was seen as one
Speaker 2: of the greatest heroes of Bible, and they have so
Speaker 2: many examples of him fucking up. Like, yeah, nobody's perfect
Speaker 2: and I get that. But also Solomon was putting the
Speaker 2: position of power for a reason. Even after God told
Speaker 2: his people that you don't need a king, they still
Speaker 2: was like, oh, we need a king, but bae ba.
Speaker 2: So they show Solomon and he did well for years
Speaker 2: in your years, and then he lost his goddamn mind
Speaker 2: and was cursed because of it. It's like, yeah, he
Speaker 2: contradicted the word of God and paid the price for it.
Speaker 2: You know what's really slept on my bed.
Speaker 3: Replacements for ice cubes as frozen strawberries, slept on big times.
Speaker 2: I'll end it, Dougie Blumkin.
Speaker 3: You know you never just you can't outrun the blunkin dude.
Speaker 10: First of all, Jonathan, you need to take four deep
Speaker 10: breaths and say goosed fra bah balm down, brother, You're
Speaker 10: gonna have a stroke. Jacob. He might be possessed or
Speaker 10: he could have rabies. It kind of it's hard to
Speaker 10: tell right now. Could be both, dude, it could be both.
Speaker 10: Now to reignite your your flame, Jonathan. Before when you
Speaker 10: guys were talking about the moose Lambs and the nine
Speaker 10: year old, it made me think about how old was
Speaker 10: the Virgin Mary, and she was supposed to be like
Speaker 10: a preteen, I think, between preteen and early teens.
Speaker 2: I thought she was thirteen, thirteen, fourteen, something like that,
Speaker 2: which is marrying age for that tribe in that time
Speaker 2: and age.
Speaker 10: That's a little bit young. I mean, at least it's
Speaker 10: older than nine. But I feel like that's pretty young.
Speaker 2: I agree. But in the Jewish religion, keep in mind,
Speaker 2: bar Mitzva's happened at thirteen, you're seen as an adult
Speaker 2: at thirteen. Interestational thing.
Speaker 10: Interestingly enough, I feel like all the depictions of Mary
Speaker 10: that I see, she's always an adult though. I mean,
Speaker 10: when Jesus was crucified, she was an adult, but they
Speaker 10: never show her as like a child, probably for a reason.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just it says Mary was likely to
Speaker 3: be around twelve to fourteen years old. So although you know,
Speaker 3: and I guess, fuck it. If we're burning shit down, let's.
Speaker 2: Burn it down.
Speaker 3: Who's fraba? I think that that people are celebrating the
Speaker 3: wrong Mary personally.
Speaker 2: They think they should be celebrating which Mary, the one
Speaker 2: that is considered a whoror Okay, Mary Magdalene wasn't a whore,
Speaker 2: for the record, that's a misnomer. She was possessed by demons.
Speaker 2: She wasn't the whore with the whole cast the First
Speaker 2: Stone conversation.
Speaker 3: It's interesting how like that story changed because if you
Speaker 3: I don't know, and this is the this is the
Speaker 3: hard part about it. It's like, who do you believe
Speaker 3: as far as what is really true about who was
Speaker 3: Jesus actually the closest to because there are some sex
Speaker 3: that will say that Jesus and Mary were like fucking
Speaker 3: super intertwined that you had, you know, some of his
Speaker 3: apostles were like super jealous of them. They were like,
Speaker 3: why are you like talking to her about that? Like
Speaker 3: you need to be teaching us. And it was understood,
Speaker 3: at least from from my perspective, that like Mary knew
Speaker 3: more than his homies, right, the ones that had backed
Speaker 3: him up then the entire way, And so for the
Speaker 3: Catholic Church and everybody else afterward, and even in the Bible,
Speaker 3: for it to call it a whore, or for them
Speaker 3: to call her a whore is like, man, like, what
Speaker 3: narrative they're really trying to push there.
Speaker 2: So if you read the Bible that talks about Mary Magdalen,
Speaker 2: if you look at these sections, never one time in
Speaker 2: the Bible was she mentioned to be a whore. She
Speaker 2: gets misrepresented as the one that the people brought up
Speaker 2: and said, look, we caught this woman in the act
Speaker 2: of adultery, we should stone her, and everybody's like, that's
Speaker 2: Mary Magdalene. It's it's not though, right. Mary Magdalene was
Speaker 2: possessed by demons in Copernaum, if I'm not mistaken, and
Speaker 2: even Nicodemus had an attempt to try to relieve her
Speaker 2: of her demonic possession and failed. Jesus took the demons
Speaker 2: from her, and she became one of his most devout disciples.
Speaker 2: Now that being said, wasn't even at the Last Supper.
Speaker 2: So yes, her and Jesus were super close as well
Speaker 2: as him with all of his other disciples. But the apostles,
Speaker 2: the twelve that were at the Last Supper, Mary wasn't
Speaker 2: a part of that. As a matter of fact, she
Speaker 2: and his mom and the sisters of Lazarus were all
Speaker 2: asked to leave the city prior to him being arrested.
Speaker 2: There's a reason for this. So again, we shouldn't be
Speaker 2: worshiping either Mary. Now, I will say this, I think
Speaker 2: that the Protestants should be a lot more kind in
Speaker 2: the veneration of the Virgin Mary. Just speaking, I don't
Speaker 2: believe that we should pray to her. I think that
Speaker 2: that is a form of I was gonna say polygamy.
Speaker 2: That's not the word. Uh well, idolatry. I was gonna
Speaker 2: say polytheism.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that we should be praying to angels.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that we should be praying to Mary.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that we should be praying to Since personally,
Speaker 2: just of my opinion, based off of my research into
Speaker 2: the Holy Book, we should be worshiping God in Jesus.
Speaker 2: We should not be We should hold these people in
Speaker 2: high respect and in high regard. Yes, and the Virgin Mother,
Speaker 2: we shouldn't be taking her just oh well, you know,
Speaker 2: she just did a thing. Her womb is literally the
Speaker 2: arc of the New Covenant, like we should be throwing
Speaker 2: some mad respect on her name, and for some reason
Speaker 2: the Protestants just fucking cast her aside, like oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know, she did a thing, but she's not important,
Speaker 2: Like no, no, no, Without her, we wouldn't have gotten Jesus, dude,
Speaker 2: Like do you want to hear?
Speaker 3: Like a really interesting way of looking at that. And
Speaker 3: this is just the Gnostic way of looking at it,
Speaker 3: so don't fry me. The idea that Jesus's mother was
Speaker 3: a virgin. They believe that that actually stems from Jesus
Speaker 3: was born again because he was baptized, right, and therefore
Speaker 3: like he was, that he was brought into the world
Speaker 3: without sex. Like that's the literally how they interpret it,
Speaker 3: is that you're brought into the world without sex, without
Speaker 3: all of that disgusting behavior or whatever, right, and so
Speaker 3: in essence, the mother would be a virgin because he's
Speaker 3: born again without without procreation.
Speaker 2: But then they also thought that baptism and water was
Speaker 2: evil because water is physical and everything physical was created
Speaker 2: by the demiurge, I mean, right, disagree with it? Huh?
Speaker 3: I can't wholeheartedly disagree with it, I can't.
Speaker 2: I think that's ridiculous. Not just even because it's water baptism.
Speaker 2: You're basically saying everything in the physical world is inherently
Speaker 2: evil because it's physical.
Speaker 3: It's a they believe, like like the Platonists believe, is
Speaker 3: that this is the farthest emanation from the true source,
Speaker 3: which I mean even God would say that, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is not the place, This is not Heaven, like
Speaker 3: this is this is a this is nothing compared to
Speaker 3: what you're going to get in heaven. The idea would
Speaker 3: be that everything in heaven is perfect, everything down here
Speaker 3: is is imperfect. So by that kind a standard, I mean,
Speaker 3: this would be the lesser of all realities. And so
Speaker 3: if you're looking at it as the lesser of all realities,
Speaker 3: then then I guess everything around here is sinful in
Speaker 3: that sense.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that this is all imperfect, dude. I'm
Speaker 2: saying that, Yeah, people might be imperfect, but that doesn't
Speaker 2: make the earth imperfect, that doesn't make the mountains imperfect,
Speaker 2: that doesn't make the ocean imperfect.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it's to say that the entire of
Speaker 3: all physical creation is imperfect because it is a it's
Speaker 3: like great value Heaven.
Speaker 2: No, I don't believe that this is Heaven by any means.
Speaker 2: But I also don't think this is the furthest thing
Speaker 2: from heaven. What would be the longest huh, what.
Speaker 3: Would be the furthest like physical reality from heaven?
Speaker 2: Hell? Well, that's not a physical reality, no, but I
Speaker 2: do believe it's a place, right like Heaven is not
Speaker 2: a physical reality, right, But I do believe it is
Speaker 2: a place where though well where Indeed, Jonathan.
Speaker 4: Norwegian there's a town called Hell in Noway?
Speaker 2: I mean yes, And I've passed through a couple of
Speaker 2: heavens that are the city of a couple of times
Speaker 2: in my life too. But that doesn't that's a side tangent.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is that, yeah, this Earth is physical.
Speaker 2: It is not Heaven. It is certainly not Hell. I
Speaker 2: think that this would be the place where we get
Speaker 2: to decide where we go to after the fact I
Speaker 2: think we all came from I think source.
Speaker 3: The idea is is that there is no actual proof
Speaker 3: of Hell, and if you were trying to describe what
Speaker 3: Hell would be, this would be the closest thing to
Speaker 3: reality that you would be able to describe as Hell. Also, conversely,
Speaker 3: it's the closest thing we can describe to as heaven,
Speaker 3: because there is no physical proof of that either. So
Speaker 3: as far as we know, this is the only emanation, right,
Speaker 3: like if you're just looking at it kind of objectively
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: Right, and there's something to be said for that. But
Speaker 2: that with that being said, this can't be both. It
Speaker 2: can't be this. This is hell and we're all going
Speaker 2: to die and go to heaven, and it's also can't
Speaker 2: be heaven because there's so much imperfection around us. So
Speaker 2: that's my point. All evidence would lead to this not
Speaker 2: being either or. But I am still of the belief
Speaker 2: that those two places do exist. Yeah, maybe, I mean
Speaker 2: you have to take it on a you know, it's
Speaker 2: on faith, of course. You know, there's never been any
Speaker 2: kind of physical proof for heaven or hell. But that's
Speaker 2: why I like to look at it from a philosophical
Speaker 2: point that I think that this place can be heaven
Speaker 2: or hell no matter like, depending on it's through the
Speaker 2: perspective of the individual, you know, like if you're having
Speaker 2: a terrible day and God forbids something horrible happens, like
Speaker 2: you're living in hell. Anybody who's ever like witnessed depression,
Speaker 2: which I feel like just about every human has gone
Speaker 2: through some form of depression, right, Like that is hell?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: And and conversely like whenever, I mean, you can't say no,
Speaker 3: because there's no physical proof of Hell outside of just
Speaker 3: a belief and faith. What I'm trying to say is
Speaker 3: is that if if this place is kind of a
Speaker 3: co of the two, it would make sense that people have,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of lived through heaven and Hell before.
Speaker 2: Dude. Even that being said, even when you are dealing
Speaker 2: with the deepest type of depression and you are absolutely
Speaker 2: you would say I am living in Hell right now,
Speaker 2: there is still beauty to be found everywhere. There is
Speaker 2: still God's presence around you. I believe that Hell is
Speaker 2: a place where God's presence does not exist. And I
Speaker 2: don't believe that depression means that you're out of God's grace.
Speaker 2: That's belief I'm talking about, like what's in reality, right,
Speaker 2: And in reality, like even when you are going through
Speaker 2: what some might call hell, there is still a way out.
Speaker 2: Hell is not a place there's a way out of allegedly,
Speaker 2: no proof of that. Okay, that's the I mean, dare
Speaker 2: I say the forbidden word, the myth?
Speaker 3: But anyway, Look, we are really slacking on these episodes, dude,
Speaker 3: on these episodes. On the comments. Damn, we've been going
Speaker 3: on some tangents tonight. Sorry about that, everybody. Hopefully it's
Speaker 3: not boring to you.
Speaker 2: Doug says, referencing episode nine to eleven. Please remember to
Speaker 2: each your twarded children first, and for the record, whenever
Speaker 2: I said that about Greta Thumberg, Okay, I have a
Speaker 2: lot of people in my in my close vicinity that
Speaker 2: are autistic. Fuck, I was an infantry marine. Okay. If
Speaker 2: I offended somebody by saying something negative towards the ass
Speaker 2: Berger's autism spectrum group, please understand that it was satire. Okay,
Speaker 2: But yeah, I still think that she's fucking retarded.
Speaker 3: Yeah you mean like nineties retarded. Yeah, yeah, like nineties gay,
Speaker 3: nineties retarded, that whole thing.
Speaker 2: Her parents are probably cousins. Yeah, well, I don't think
Speaker 2: that that is anything to do with an Asperger's I
Speaker 2: think that that just happens to be a side tangent fact.
Speaker 2: But I could be so wrong.
Speaker 4: I haven't looked at yougt No, he took alcohol, Yeah,
Speaker 4: fucked up her.
Speaker 2: Gretat Thumberg's mom should be the poster child for Chiland all.
Speaker 3: Oh Jesus, you know, and like, how do you apologize
Speaker 3: and then like continue Like that doesn't make.
Speaker 2: Any sense because fuck Greta anyway.
Speaker 3: No, Ashton said, madd In two thousand and five is
Speaker 3: the goat. I agree, that was one of the best
Speaker 3: of all time. Midnight Kong said, it's okay to be
Speaker 3: that crazy uncle.
Speaker 2: We all have one. Fuck yeah, and I'm proud that
Speaker 2: I'm my family's crazy uncle. Yeah. Same here. Ummmmm.
Speaker 3: Just scrolling down, Alex had said, now that Jonathan is
Speaker 3: on the West coast, y'all doing a meetup on this
Speaker 3: side of the country.
Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to it.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I'd be interested.
Speaker 2: Actually, uh, we were.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of people that I was playing on
Speaker 3: getting together and meeting up with in Sedona, So that
Speaker 3: would be a fun little thing. Maybe we can get
Speaker 3: like a little airbnbs type situation and.
Speaker 2: Little ce five experienced dog.
Speaker 3: Just fucking overdose on mushrooms all night.
Speaker 6: Dude.
Speaker 2: Let's go fuck a little little group dmt sessh see
Speaker 2: the orbs bring Nick out for the fuck of it.
Speaker 2: This sounds great.
Speaker 3: I want to turn into Terrence McKenna for a night. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Oh the love of God, they're just gonna get weirder
Speaker 3: and weirder. Pop Goes the Weasel said, we are all slaves.
Speaker 2: I agree. Also, Pop Goes the Weasel love your beautiful
Speaker 2: badass shirt, just towing it out. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 3: Spirit Animal said, just because I grow facial hair like
Speaker 3: a thirteen year old, don't mean.
Speaker 2: I am hey. Look, just take the boyish good looks
Speaker 2: for as long as they would do you justice.
Speaker 6: Consude that I am louis the spitting image of my
Speaker 6: uh Asian grandfather.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be boyish good looks well into my sixties.
Speaker 2: So bless Spirit Animal is our Bobby Lee.
Speaker 6: Oh god, hey, they did say they were looking for
Speaker 6: Confederate Asian and.
Speaker 4: I am a Southern boy.
Speaker 2: Oh god.
Speaker 4: Oh yep, Tony a joke, I know, I know.
Speaker 3: Tony said, sure, the Bible and Karan assume the earth
Speaker 3: is flat. That is just what they believed at the time.
Speaker 2: And they were wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is what they believed at the time, So
Speaker 3: it's not that crazy to say that. It would be
Speaker 3: in the Bible if you're to take it literal.
Speaker 2: I mean again, you could go back to the ancient
Speaker 2: sources and they were arguing whether the Earth was round
Speaker 2: or flat in the BC era. That's been an argument
Speaker 2: for a long time.
Speaker 3: So I mean, hey, you know, anytime somebody says era,
Speaker 3: I just think of Jmac from Trailer Park Boys every time.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's ancient Greece was arguing over this. Ancient Egypt
Speaker 2: was arguing over this, Ancient Rome was arguing over this.
Speaker 2: It's just one of those things.
Speaker 3: Tony said, there is no firmament. Water evaporates from the ocean,
Speaker 3: then condenses and falls. God didn't say the Earth is flat.
Speaker 3: People speaking on his behalf or pretending to did say
Speaker 3: the Earth was flat.
Speaker 2: Agreed.
Speaker 3: Doug said, everyone looking for pickle. There's a Christmas game.
Speaker 3: My family didn't play. Uh didn't play it, but I
Speaker 3: know some people that hide a pickle in a tree.
Speaker 3: We need to find pickle as anyone ever checked the
Speaker 3: evergreen trees. Dude, Yeah, I played the pickle game too.
Speaker 2: It's a fun one. Oh we never did that.
Speaker 5: We have a.
Speaker 2: My family's got a different kind of tradition. There's a
Speaker 2: there's a rubber dog shit that gets regifted every year,
Speaker 2: and it's like a big thing. There's like a whole
Speaker 2: shadow box that's been made and it's just it's rubber
Speaker 2: dog poop, you know what I mean. And it's it's
Speaker 2: so stupid. But it's like, who's gonna get that this year?
Speaker 2: And you get they started off as like a secret
Speaker 2: Santa type of gift, and now it's just become like
Speaker 2: a thing to just get bestowed upon you and next
Speaker 2: year you have to wrap it and give it to
Speaker 2: somebody else. And it's that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Doug said Jonathan. Forget the four Elements. We love
Speaker 3: the Fifth Element, but.
Speaker 2: I do love the Fifth Element. That's one of the
Speaker 2: greatest movies of all time.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is, although the fifth Element would be the best.
Speaker 2: It is the ether or love according to the movie.
Speaker 2: I guess so.
Speaker 3: Popco's The Weasel said, we are teaching grandsons Spanish and German.
Speaker 3: He is pretty good at sign language and becoming good
Speaker 3: in Spanish. He is two, so he mixes the language
Speaker 3: and I have to decipher. Yeah, same thing with my son. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I have to try and decipher. I'm like, man, I like,
Speaker 3: he's he's like better versed in Portuguese than I am.
Speaker 3: And he's only three, you know, Like, I'm like, man.
Speaker 2: Like how it's so crazy, how little ones are just
Speaker 2: so easy to just be a sponge to information.
Speaker 3: We get old and stuck in our ways and we
Speaker 3: don't know shit.
Speaker 2: We're like, how do you know that? You know? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's impressive, it really is. But that's thing whenever
Speaker 2: you're if you're teaching your child to be bilingual, you
Speaker 2: can kind of keep up with them for a little bit.
Speaker 2: If you are also bilingual, y'all start doing that tri
Speaker 2: linguist shit. Bro that good luck and all the blessings
Speaker 2: to y'all on your endeavors. I could not imagine trying
Speaker 2: to teach a kid three languages, because you know they're
Speaker 2: gonna just mix and mash the shit, and you're like, fuck,
Speaker 2: I gotta sit for ten minutes to decipher a two
Speaker 2: minute conversation I just had with this kid with the
Speaker 2: trying to tell him, dude, it's like my my son.
Speaker 3: So he has his mom that speaks to him only
Speaker 3: in Portuguese because she's trying to get him to learn
Speaker 3: it right, and I obviously only speak to him in English.
Speaker 3: But then his his nanny speaks Spanish and well, and
Speaker 3: meanwhile his mom also knows how to speak Spanish and
Speaker 3: interpret it and all that stuff. So she knows all
Speaker 3: three you know, his mom knows all three languages. I
Speaker 3: know a couple lot of each. But what's your uh,
Speaker 3: what's your experience there? Pop goes a weasel.
Speaker 11: Well, I mean most part. He's used a lot of
Speaker 11: sign language, I guess because I'm very animated, and we've
Speaker 11: taught him a sign language, so he does real well
Speaker 11: with that. And when we're teaching Spanish, you know, he
Speaker 11: knows all his numbers, but he'll start counting to ten
Speaker 11: and he'll start.
Speaker 5: Going a little dulls. It is like, dude, really really,
Speaker 5: you know, and.
Speaker 11: We're trying to teaching certain words and he made throw
Speaker 11: a German mix in there. He'll use his hands and
Speaker 11: he'll start speaking English. You know, they're still very broken sentences,
Speaker 11: so decidering what he's saying in English, it's very difficult
Speaker 11: to begin with. But uh yeah, three languages is hard.
Speaker 11: But he's he's doing so well, and he's a spun
Speaker 11: she's a smart little guy.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I feel like you're gonna be good with
Speaker 2: it until those German signs and hand signals get a
Speaker 2: little too Hey, hey, little man, let's let's come over
Speaker 2: here and watch some Bluey you know what I'm.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, that's a savor by the way, he's bluey.
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah. But yeah, for trying to teach your children
Speaker 2: to be tri lingual, that is quite an undertaking, mad respect. Yeah.
Speaker 3: What I have found though is that, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: they'll pick up on it, but if you don't stick
Speaker 3: with it, you know, they they forget it real easy,
Speaker 3: you know. And so that's what my my son's mom.
Speaker 3: She has a brother who's like way younger than him,
Speaker 3: or way way younger than her, right she he's only
Speaker 3: I think, like nine or ten somewhere in there, and
Speaker 3: he grew up like his parents would only speak Portuguese,
Speaker 3: and then going into the school system, obviously you're going
Speaker 3: to learn a lot of English and everything, and then
Speaker 3: his mom and his parents, you know, just wouldn't wasn't
Speaker 3: keeping up with it. Now he he barely speaks at all.
Speaker 3: He doesn't even remember the words that he used to
Speaker 3: say like regularly. So it's something that you got to
Speaker 3: keep up with regularly until a certain age. And honestly,
Speaker 3: I don't even think until a certain age. I think
Speaker 3: just always because you know, even even my ex like
Speaker 3: if she's not around Portuguese speaking people. She's like, she'll
Speaker 3: listen to something. She's like, man, I can't remember what
Speaker 3: that means anymore, and it's like.
Speaker 2: You don't use that, you lose it. That is a fact.
Speaker 5: Ye.
Speaker 11: The other grandparents are purely Spanish speaking, so they you know,
Speaker 11: they'll they'll teach from the Spanish side of things. So
Speaker 11: it's a lot easier with at least two languages, you know.
Speaker 11: The third one is just you know, he'll probably lose
Speaker 11: that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's cool though, Dougie. Let's go blunking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go blunking.
Speaker 10: Did you guys ever reconnect with that guy from the
Speaker 10: last live show that? Yeah, it was like nine to eleven.
Speaker 2: God is in for everybody hold their hold on to
Speaker 2: your horses for that one, because we will have him
Speaker 2: on for an episode very soon.
Speaker 3: So yes, and I'm probably just going to get really
Speaker 3: big for that episode because I don't think I'm gonna
Speaker 3: have to say many words because my god, some people
Speaker 3: just got that motor on them, which I'm happy, you know, like,
Speaker 3: give him the mic.
Speaker 2: He can say everything that he wants to makes our
Speaker 2: job easier, that's for damn sure it do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So a spirit animals, said, actual paintings from the Renaissance.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's what those pictures were.
Speaker 5: Ye.
Speaker 3: Interesting, man, they were so beautiful. And get back then
Speaker 3: like with their paintings. Man, like the depth on.
Speaker 2: Them too, they did.
Speaker 3: Indeed, I don't, Doug said, thank you, chat gbt oh pie, kaka,
Speaker 3: kiko filth excrement. Oh I see cago and kaka are
Speaker 3: basically the same thing, is yeah, And that's that's at
Speaker 3: least one of the theories as to where the term
Speaker 3: for couldgo even came from is because it was like
Speaker 3: a misnomer of a misnomer of basically calling them shit.
Speaker 2: So it's very possible.
Speaker 3: Doug said, I had to chat you be t this
Speaker 3: and this is the explanation the orch the Orthodox Christian iconography,
Speaker 3: which I am Greek Orthodox, very interesting. The two objects
Speaker 3: explained they represent the sun and the moon personified as
Speaker 3: celestial witnesses to Christ's Christ's crucifixion. The iconograph iconographic motif
Speaker 3: is very common in Byzantine and early Christian art. The
Speaker 3: sun to the left the moon to the right are
Speaker 3: often depicted as faces within radiance spheres or wing like
Speaker 3: mend Mendorlas. There inclusion reflects Biblical verses such as Luke
Speaker 3: twenty three to forty four, where the sun darkens during
Speaker 3: the crucifixion. The bearded and youthful face his symbolize cosmic
Speaker 3: participation in the passion, not extraterrestrial craft.
Speaker 2: Oh indeed, which also, Dougie, I did not know that
Speaker 2: you were a Greek Orthodox. I'm very curious you're familiar
Speaker 2: with Jay Dyer. Yeah, uh No, I.
Speaker 10: Don't know Jayder.
Speaker 2: I like him, I do. Indeed, he is seen as
Speaker 2: an orthro Bro. He's a content creator who is very,
Speaker 2: very unapologetically Eastern Orthod. We had him on the show
Speaker 2: a few months ago. We did, and I didn't know
Speaker 2: much about him at the time. I had known the name,
Speaker 2: But since then I've watched a lot of his content.
Speaker 2: The dude is a wealth of knowledge when it comes
Speaker 2: to historical facts and data and this synod and this
Speaker 2: council and what was agreed upon here and as far
Speaker 2: as that goes. So with that being said, Greek Orthodox,
Speaker 2: and you live in Philly, is there a decent population
Speaker 2: of Ortho Bros living in Philly or are you kind
Speaker 2: of part of a minority group there?
Speaker 11: Uh?
Speaker 10: I'd say, like in this area, like the Tri State area.
Speaker 10: A lot of Greeks, especially back in the day. I
Speaker 10: think a lot of them are moving out.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 10: There's actually a very big cathedral, Saint George Orthodox Cathedral
Speaker 10: in Philadelphia.
Speaker 14: Uh.
Speaker 10: And then Upper Dorvey, Pennsylvania has a massive Greek population.
Speaker 10: Tina Fay is actually from that population.
Speaker 2: A lot of Greeks. Tina Fay, yep, half Greed. I
Speaker 2: had no I thought she was Jewish. No huh. Every day. Well,
Speaker 2: even when we ever get questions about the Orthodox religion,
Speaker 2: I hope that we can call upon you as a source. Brother,
Speaker 2: I'll do my best. Fuck ya.
Speaker 3: Joe from Australia said, Hey, guys, last week on Live
Speaker 3: I asked, I asked about your guys' opinion on big
Speaker 3: independent journalists such as Tyler Olivera, Brandon Buckingham, Tommy g
Speaker 3: et cetera. Love their content, but having many but having
Speaker 3: many millions of views, I wonder how they are allowed
Speaker 3: to show drug ridden American streets and some israel conspiracy
Speaker 3: content can't help, But wonder are they controlled or just popular?
Speaker 2: Thanks cunts, So I do know like Brandon Buckingham, I
Speaker 2: do love his content. Tyler Olivera same thing. I am
Speaker 2: unfamiliar with Tommy.
Speaker 3: I know who Tommy g is actually a deplorable Janet.
Speaker 3: She used to be on his show.
Speaker 2: Oh word. Yeah.
Speaker 5: OK.
Speaker 2: And then now as far as them being allowed to
Speaker 2: show drug ridden American streets, it's not going to take
Speaker 2: you much to find a YouTuber that's going to skid
Speaker 2: row and with a camera and a microphone just to
Speaker 2: do so, right, I mean, that's freedom of speech. We
Speaker 2: have that in this country. I know that you don't
Speaker 2: have it in Australia because you're a part of the
Speaker 2: British Commonwealth, which is bullshit. But that being said, yeah
Speaker 2: you could put that kind of content up and you
Speaker 2: might get demonetized for showing you know, illicit materials and
Speaker 2: things like that. But yeah, they absolutely can put wild
Speaker 2: things up like that. For sure. Are they controlled? I
Speaker 2: could see the conversation. I personally don't think so, and
Speaker 2: maybe in some ways maybe definitely not. I just yeah,
Speaker 2: if they are being controlled quote unquote or allowed to
Speaker 2: post certain things of that kind of nature, it's uh,
Speaker 2: that's the thing. Because they're independent journalists, they're allowed to
Speaker 2: talk about whatever the fuck they want, right, They're not
Speaker 2: affiliated with some big conglomerate or some big syndications. So
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, it's kind of like Count Dankila. He
Speaker 2: can talk about whatever the fuck he wants, and he's
Speaker 2: big enough to where, yeah, the YouTube algorithm might, you know,
Speaker 2: demonetize that video, but he's got other sources of income
Speaker 2: flowing into where he's cool with it at this point.
Speaker 2: Now it's about him actually posting whatever the hell he
Speaker 2: wants to post. So it's you know, that's the crazy
Speaker 2: part about the YouTube space and the content creator space.
Speaker 2: There is so much more freedom. And now I mean
Speaker 2: just American, I mean, like just in general, no one
Speaker 2: is telling you what you can and can't post. The
Speaker 2: algorithm might shadow ban certain things or promote other things
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, but if you've already got a good
Speaker 2: follower base, it's gonna watch whatever the fuck you put
Speaker 2: out regardless. You can literally write your own ticket and
Speaker 2: or you know, ruin your entire career with the next video.
Speaker 2: So it's yeah, it's an interesting time frame that we
Speaker 2: have found ourselves living in.
Speaker 5: For sure.
Speaker 3: I'm looking something up right now, trying to find like
Speaker 3: I I feel like the answer is usually following the money,
Speaker 3: you know, and turning point was definitely backed by Israeli money.
Speaker 3: So does that mean that they were, you know, kind
Speaker 3: of bought and you know, are are they controlled? I
Speaker 3: think that they were controlled to a certain aspect. But
Speaker 3: then again, you know, he wasn't taken in any any
Speaker 3: more israel money. So did they start to say, like,
Speaker 3: did they become uncontrollable at that point?
Speaker 2: And I don't know, and that I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: I'm the last person.
Speaker 3: To ever call somebody controlled, Like I'm even on the
Speaker 3: fence about Alex Jones.
Speaker 2: You know what, I like this, Jonathan. We have had
Speaker 2: pharmaceutical commercials play on our show before, and we have
Speaker 2: had no hand in that. We give our distributor the episode,
Speaker 2: they put in the commercials and they decide which commercials
Speaker 2: are gonna play. Does that mean that you and I
Speaker 2: are controlled by Big Pharma? No, No, of course not.
Speaker 2: But we have their commercial playing, and we the ad
Speaker 2: reads and all these things and not reads like for us,
Speaker 2: but like ads that are playing. There's a group out
Speaker 2: there that believe that we are bought and controlled by
Speaker 2: Big Pharma because we allow those commercials to be played.
Speaker 2: Little do they know we have no fucking say so
Speaker 2: on the frequency or on what commercials are played.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean most of them are local and we
Speaker 3: don't have like it. It doesn't go through a cult
Speaker 3: of conspiracy filter by any means. Right that being said,
Speaker 3: I think that it's a little bit different if if
Speaker 3: we're the ones that are doing ad reads on behalf
Speaker 3: of Big Pharma. Like, sure, if Pfizer came and said, hey,
Speaker 3: look we're gonna just do this ad read for us,
Speaker 3: you know, pump them up a little bit, say that
Speaker 3: they're they're safe and effective, you know, like give them
Speaker 3: the old song and dance. It's like then you could
Speaker 3: start looking at us like we're.
Speaker 2: Controlled, you know, absolutely at that point we are bought.
Speaker 3: Which we will never like not only for Big Pharma,
Speaker 3: we will never be bought by any other country. First
Speaker 3: of all, Like we are never going to be dual
Speaker 3: citizens at all. That's just never going to be the
Speaker 3: angle that the show ever goes. We're never going to
Speaker 3: be a part of Big Pharma. We're never going to
Speaker 3: be a part of Like me and Jacob don't even
Speaker 3: agree on war.
Speaker 2: Like That's the thing is that I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know that if it would even be possible
Speaker 3: for somebody to buy us out, because we would both
Speaker 3: have to agree on it, and we wouldn't you know.
Speaker 5: What I mean?
Speaker 3: Like there there could be the military industrial complex, some
Speaker 3: branch of that that that could reach out to us
Speaker 3: and be like, look, we need you to pump up war.
Speaker 3: We need you to like really really be stoke in
Speaker 3: that flame and and try and get more people to
Speaker 3: join the military and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Jacob would be like, hell, yeah, brother, let's go. I'm
Speaker 2: on board.
Speaker 3: I would be like, get all the way fucked. I'm
Speaker 3: all the way anti war.
Speaker 2: So does that mean that you and me, with our
Speaker 2: bullshit are actually accidentally the checks and balances that keep
Speaker 2: us honest?
Speaker 3: We are uncontrollable. I like that because you can't control
Speaker 3: me and I can't control you, and we have very
Speaker 3: different beliefs.
Speaker 2: Facts. Yeah, Joelle, what a do good sir?
Speaker 8: I knew it and knew with this full time that
Speaker 8: you guys were bought by l Pesto Community College.
Speaker 2: Man, what the fuck you guys? What the fuck? God
Speaker 2: damn it, Joe, you watch your mouth.
Speaker 8: They don't need to know, Oh my god, selling the
Speaker 8: uh rough child education from Opesto Community College.
Speaker 3: Well it is kind of funny though, because we just
Speaker 3: said that they're local commercials, so you kind of just
Speaker 3: docked yourself.
Speaker 2: But ah, but I mean even still, there's like political
Speaker 2: that will play some Republicans some Democrats like, oh see,
Speaker 2: they're actually a part of the op they're bought by
Speaker 2: the Democrats or they're bought from by the Republicans. It's like, bro,
Speaker 2: if that's the case, I would love to see the
Speaker 2: fucking check because I ain't received a goddamn dime from
Speaker 2: these big donors, like everybody.
Speaker 3: Making it out to be she Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 3: don't believe that Adam and Eve has a political ideology.
Speaker 3: I think that they believe anybody can get this dick.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's the same whenever people like for me
Speaker 2: for even supporting Israel as a nation, na nan yaho,
Speaker 2: not the genocide, not that, just saying that I think
Speaker 2: that Israel should be a nation. Jacob's obviously controlled, He's
Speaker 2: obviously an op bro. I would love to see a
Speaker 2: fucking check. Charlie kirkhad what hundreds of millions of dollars
Speaker 2: coming in from Israel. Where's my fucking slice of the pie.
Speaker 2: That's bullshit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ummm, that's just not gonna happen. No, it's not
Speaker 3: the way pop Gozezel said, keyword independent. They are not
Speaker 3: handed a script from a three letter agency. No, not right,
Speaker 3: White Boy Wizard said. Anyone with over one hundred thousand
Speaker 3: followers is probably coming with an agenda. I literally don't
Speaker 3: fully trust anyone. In the last two decades, I've seen
Speaker 3: humanity go to shit. Everyone is everyone is ours for Oh,
Speaker 3: it's for them, it's for themselves. I keep in mind
Speaker 3: that whilst consuming info and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of the real quick, White Boy Wizard.
Speaker 2: When we get to over a million listeners, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: need you to understand that me and Jonathan are still one.
Speaker 2: Jacob and Jonathan, okay, just we're all clear here. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm right or die off.
Speaker 5: Fight anybody of the death three the g motherfuckers, fucking right.
Speaker 2: Fucking right. I will. That being said, Jacob is more
Speaker 2: likely to sell out than me moving on. I know,
Speaker 2: but I'm also just I don't want to fight it.
Speaker 2: Just whatever, fine, sure, White Boy Wizard said. Really they
Speaker 2: just like I'm taking the bag, just be straight about it. Whatever,
Speaker 2: Just like Joe Rogan said, and he goes, look, just
Speaker 2: tell me about the aliens. I'll lie to my mother.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not going that far, you know, No,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go that far. But like, every man
Speaker 2: does have a price, right, Like, and everybody's like, no,
Speaker 2: never have you ever turned down one hundred million green
Speaker 2: dollars in your face? No, then you have no idea
Speaker 2: what you would do.
Speaker 3: I would see it in that position, Yeah, I would.
Speaker 2: Turn you would turn down one hundred million. I mean
Speaker 2: it depends what's it for? That's fair that it depends
Speaker 2: on the situation, right, Like what is what is.
Speaker 3: The I don't know, Like, what's that line to where
Speaker 3: you're like, ah, somebody offers you to do some really
Speaker 3: egregious shit and they're like, but for a hundred million,
Speaker 3: what's that line that there is like gray for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like what Dave Chappelle said right with his
Speaker 2: dad when he got famous. He's like, name your price
Speaker 2: and stick to it, right because that they're gonna try
Speaker 2: to meet that price one day, and you got to
Speaker 2: decide whenever it's too much, and you gotta be willing
Speaker 2: to walk away from it. Honestly, I've never had to
Speaker 2: have that conversation with myself, but I mean, I would
Speaker 2: never do something to put my own morality into question.
Speaker 2: I would never do something to where I would have
Speaker 2: to look at my children and explain, your dad did
Speaker 2: some really heinous shit. But like look at the house
Speaker 2: we're living in now, Like, no, I'm not gonna do
Speaker 2: that because I have to be I have to hold
Speaker 2: myself to a different standard, because I see myself as
Speaker 2: the figure that I want my children to look up to,
Speaker 2: you know, And that's that's at least what my guiding
Speaker 2: principles are, aside from all religious and moral dogmas. Yes,
Speaker 2: those things are in place, but I'm saying this to
Speaker 2: people that may or may not have any religion within them,
Speaker 2: not judging, not looking down on anybody, but that's where
Speaker 2: I am at anyway. And yeah, if it and including
Speaker 2: the whole military industrial complex, right, like if they're telling
Speaker 2: us and you know me, yes, I'm a veteran, but
Speaker 2: I am pretty I'm pro war, but I'm anti military.
Speaker 2: I know I'm a walking fucking dichotomy of hypocrisy. I
Speaker 2: get that, but I will be the first to tell
Speaker 2: everybody that, like, listen, if you don't have to join, like,
Speaker 2: don't fucking join. There's better ways to achieve your goals,
Speaker 2: and if you are going to join the military, be
Speaker 2: smart about it and do it with the intention of
Speaker 2: your exit strategy. I just had this talk with my
Speaker 2: cousin the other day and the team. Please Now, it
Speaker 2: depends on what you're trying to do. Right, If you're
Speaker 2: trying to be a diesel mechanic, go Army. If you're
Speaker 2: trying to work on ships for their mechanics and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, go Navy. If you're trying to be a cop,
Speaker 2: go MP. Right these types of things, but like keep
Speaker 2: in mind. Ed literally just had this conversation with him,
Speaker 2: like what do you want to do? He was some
Speaker 2: about joined the Marine Corps. I'm like, okay, why and
Speaker 2: he's like, well, you know, they just seem like the
Speaker 2: most badass. I'm like, okay, that's very fair, But what
Speaker 2: do you want to do in the Marine Corps? I'm
Speaker 2: thinking some with computers. Then do not join the fucking
Speaker 2: Marine Corps. Join the Air Force of the Space Force, obviously,
Speaker 2: like let's let's talk about this. You need to do
Speaker 2: it with an exit strategy in mind, because whether you
Speaker 2: serve out a four year term or a twenty year term,
Speaker 2: eventually you're going to get back to the civilian world
Speaker 2: and be looking for a job. That's going to be
Speaker 2: the case. So please gain some skills that you can
Speaker 2: bring to the civilian world and use to further your career.
Speaker 2: And speaking as a former infantryman, there is no call
Speaker 2: for infantry tactics in the civilian world unless you're going
Speaker 2: like private contracting or something like that. And that's your Goalden, fine,
Speaker 2: get after it. Just my point is have a plan
Speaker 2: in place before you join, otherwise you will have wasted
Speaker 2: the best years of your youth with nothing to show
Speaker 2: for it. That's the anyway anyway, Samuel, go ahead, sir.
Speaker 4: I mean to be fair. When I went in I
Speaker 4: wanted to do I would sign on in as a
Speaker 4: combat jim. My goal was to do EOD. Now that
Speaker 4: was my dream.
Speaker 2: But there's a use for that in the civilian world.
Speaker 2: SWAT teams have former EOD guys and like you could
Speaker 2: do something. There is a job field to get after
Speaker 2: with that. It's a very small niche field, but you
Speaker 2: can't do that.
Speaker 6: I mean, the whole of the science behind it all
Speaker 6: fascinates mean, it makes my brain tingle.
Speaker 2: Right, and there's nothing wrong with that. Dude, I'm not
Speaker 2: judging anybody for look. I joined as a as a grunt,
Speaker 2: like I get it one hundred percent. But that being said,
Speaker 2: if somebody is going to join the military, now, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: If the military is gonna offer me and you some
Speaker 2: stupid check to start recruiting and promoting, you're barking up
Speaker 2: the wrong fucking tree, dude, Like, I mean, just not
Speaker 2: gonna happen.
Speaker 4: I do anything. I love the Marine Corps, but I
Speaker 4: can't go back, which is sad.
Speaker 2: I haven't met many Marine Corps veterans that had positive experiences.
Speaker 2: There are some.
Speaker 4: Most people.
Speaker 6: I didn't say, I had a lot of positive memories
Speaker 6: I miss. I'm pretty much missed the people that I
Speaker 6: met along the way. I don't really miss the circus.
Speaker 6: I miss the clowns.
Speaker 2: Sure no, I'm looking at it. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: Tony said.
Speaker 3: The Shakers are another group that had those those teachings
Speaker 3: similar to the Quakers.
Speaker 2: I think I've heard of them, but I am unfamiliar
Speaker 2: with a lot of their beliefs. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: will look into them. That's interesting.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 3: Doug gave a pretty profound statement. Doug said, spilling seed
Speaker 3: on the floor as a sin, and so is masturbation,
Speaker 3: but no one ever mentioned blumpkins. It's our Christian duty
Speaker 3: to spread good blumkin upon this round earth.
Speaker 2: For the love of God. Spreading and blumpkin in the
Speaker 2: same context gives me a weird, weird image, Dougie.
Speaker 4: What is a blumpkin?
Speaker 2: Oh, Sam?
Speaker 3: The blumpkin like when you're getting head while you're taking
Speaker 3: a shit.
Speaker 2: Right, yes, Wait Sam, Wait, how do you not know
Speaker 2: that you're you're the spirit animal. I thought you'd be
Speaker 2: knowing all of the things.
Speaker 4: I know a lot of things. I just didn't know
Speaker 4: that was what that was. I thought that was something else.
Speaker 2: Okay, No, no getting done while you're dropping a deuce,
Speaker 2: bro which.
Speaker 1: Is that's not even a hygienic and doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: that'd be very fun.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean Cleveland Steamer doesn't sound like a
Speaker 3: great time either.
Speaker 2: But it's still a thing, you know. It's it's one
Speaker 2: of those Internet things that like it's you're not supposed
Speaker 2: to really do it. It's the thing to laugh about
Speaker 2: on urban dictions. Some people are not supposed to like
Speaker 2: actually like some people do. Sure, scat porn is a thing.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean you're supposed to actually do it. Some
Speaker 2: people get down with that, and you know what, I'm
Speaker 2: good with yucking back and.
Speaker 6: Then and not the fun type. But they're just grade
Speaker 6: one fleaks. And there's some people that like to ingest
Speaker 6: that shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people that you should. I mean, my god, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm knocking that one. Dude. Speaking of I told you
Speaker 2: about my buddy while in the Marine Corps. As a
Speaker 2: matter of fact, he had to oversee the NJP of
Speaker 2: it was about to be a court martial of a
Speaker 2: guy because him and his wife are doing that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well, you're only allowed to do missionary stuff
Speaker 3: and in the military, right, this.
Speaker 2: Is true under the UCUMJA, you're the only position you're
Speaker 2: allowed to have sex in his missionary with the man
Speaker 2: on top. But that's not even what they got him
Speaker 2: down for. Dude, they fuck is So this guy, this boot,
Speaker 2: his wife a panel. We're doing some wild ass shit.
Speaker 2: Wow wow freezing anyway, Okay, So so no, he was
Speaker 2: allowing his wife to like disclaimer disclaimer for everybody that
Speaker 2: wants to skip ahead a few seconds, go for it.
Speaker 2: He was she was shitting in his mouth and he
Speaker 2: was like eating it and stuff. He kept coming to
Speaker 2: work sick as fuck. Yeah, like sick as fuck. And
Speaker 2: so they finally had to bring him to medical and
Speaker 2: they took samples and found all this fecal matter in
Speaker 2: his digestive system. They brought him down for destruction of
Speaker 2: government property.
Speaker 6: I e.
Speaker 2: You're hurting your body and that doesn't belong to you anymore,
Speaker 2: belongs to the government. So yeah, we're gonna have to
Speaker 2: fucking take some legal action against you. That's why I
Speaker 2: don't eat ass right there. Oh, that's that's different. No, No,
Speaker 2: eating shit is different than tongue punching a balloon. Knot, dude,
Speaker 2: No poop comes out of there. Okay, So that's like saying, girl, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't suck girls. They were saying, I don't suck
Speaker 2: it because they pee from there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but and things. It comes from the same spot,
Speaker 3: I mean, the same general area.
Speaker 2: But not they're saying, I don't make out with anybody
Speaker 2: because puke comes out of there. It's like that's a
Speaker 2: valid point. Though, No humans have disgusting mouths. That's yes,
Speaker 2: they do. But still, you know, Samuel, go ahead.
Speaker 4: Okay, so you're saying you don't go down on the
Speaker 4: old lady.
Speaker 3: I don't have an old lady first off, and yes,
Speaker 3: I am known to uh give a little what is it, Felacio, No,
Speaker 3: it's not Flai connlingis yes, but Jonathan, yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: I get that it's kind of contradictory, but it's still
Speaker 3: not ship like shi it is the most disgusting thing
Speaker 3: on the face of the planet to.
Speaker 2: Me, fair and I agree with that, but I mean,
Speaker 2: you don't eat the ass after they take a ship.
Speaker 2: You do it when they're fresh out the ship hour
Speaker 2: obviously in the same way like I don't want I
Speaker 2: don't want somebody sucking my dick whenever it's like I've
Speaker 2: been sweating all day. Let me take a shower real quick,
Speaker 2: let me clean up, let me be a gent teaching
Speaker 2: their own.
Speaker 3: Rose Cash said, I have always seen three three three
Speaker 3: for years. Yeah, dude, it's like some certain numbers just
Speaker 3: follow you. Jacob, is there I imagine that I probably
Speaker 3: already know the answer to this one. I can't imagine
Speaker 3: that there is a number that always catches you off guard, right, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, off off the rip like this. I can't say
Speaker 2: that there is, But I mean I do see things
Speaker 2: from time to time to kind of stand out, you know.
Speaker 2: I guess, okay, you know what we're gonna do.
Speaker 3: We are going to slightly hypnotize Jacob here for a
Speaker 3: second and uh be very suggestible and Jacob from now.
Speaker 2: On, Yeah, I'll close my eyes and get in here.
Speaker 2: Let's do it from now on as a blessing.
Speaker 3: Every time you see the number six six six, it
Speaker 3: will mean that it is a good sign and whatever
Speaker 3: it is that is going on around you, you need
Speaker 3: to be paying attention to it.
Speaker 2: Six six six six six. Interesting. I thought you were
Speaker 2: going to say every time I see it, I forcibly
Speaker 2: ejaculate or something. I don't know you're going that route
Speaker 2: with it, honestly, no.
Speaker 3: But normally people who see numbers like that, it's like
Speaker 3: it's people interpreted as a sign to pay attention and
Speaker 3: bring your awareness and look around and or you know,
Speaker 3: just be present in the moment.
Speaker 2: I don't know. A white boy wizard said me. Three.
Speaker 2: Uh for real though heavy on the threes forever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Rose Chaos said, fuck Joel Loasting agreed, you can
Speaker 3: say that again. Fuck Joel Loasting. Tony said, probably nineteen
Speaker 3: forty one. I forget what that was alluding to.
Speaker 2: Now, Oh, the probably doctor Seuss theage.
Speaker 3: Oh yep, yep, because the Big d afterwards said, didn't
Speaker 3: doctor Seuss cheat on his wife while she had cancer?
Speaker 3: Then when she married the mistress? One bitch, two bitch,
Speaker 3: dead bitch, new bitch.
Speaker 2: This is very accurate, very true statement. Once again, doctor
Speaker 2: SEUs saw all of his like, oh but he's so great.
Speaker 2: Look wh he's teaching people. Yeah, he was a raging
Speaker 2: piece of shit, just saying old Greg. I'm just I'm
Speaker 2: a scale a man fish. I love you guys, I
Speaker 2: love you brother. I had to introduce my children to
Speaker 2: old Greg and they're like, what, not all of it,
Speaker 2: because you know, the whole man Gina thing. My son,
Speaker 2: who's kind of old enough to understand that this is silliness,
Speaker 2: was like, Dad, what the fuck is this? And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: he didn't say that. Not allow my son to cuss
Speaker 2: like that, of course, but he's like, Dad, what, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, this was early YouTube, this is the Mighty
Speaker 2: booshe this is British comedy and you don't understand it
Speaker 2: and you're not supposed to. I sure the fuck didn't
Speaker 2: understand it, but you got to understand. This was like
Speaker 2: popular for the better part of two decades. Okay, you
Speaker 2: know what, Old Greg is my next tattoo. I'm doing it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I might get him on the calf getting with a
Speaker 2: holding of Bailey's. Do you have a drink Bailey's from
Speaker 2: a shoe? You want to go to a club of
Speaker 2: people way on each other? I'm gonna hurt you. What
Speaker 2: do you think of me? Make an assessment? Fucking classic YouTube?
Speaker 2: You know I've seen that video? I should you not?
Speaker 2: Probably at least five hundred times.
Speaker 3: I was saying, like every time we got drunk or
Speaker 3: got high, or we were at a party or anything.
Speaker 3: Every somebody was playing that that night, every single time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And there was a crowd gathered around to watch it.
Speaker 2: And it got so popular that the Mighty Booshe tried
Speaker 2: having a run on what was it cartoon network on
Speaker 2: Adult Swim for a minute, and it did not do
Speaker 2: well because they were hoping that like Old Greg would
Speaker 2: be in every episode and be like a main character. No,
Speaker 2: not even a little bit. It was one episode where
Speaker 2: that was an appearance and the rest of the show
Speaker 2: is like In Britain, the show did very well, but
Speaker 2: British comedy is very, very, very very different than American cah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not even close. I'm curious as to how many
Speaker 2: views that video has by Now, what do you if
Speaker 2: you had to take a guess, what would you say
Speaker 2: if if find the original too? Because there's so many
Speaker 2: people that took clips of it and made it on
Speaker 2: their own thing and whatever, and at this point it's
Speaker 2: probably creative commons, right, But like in the beginning to now,
Speaker 2: if we do find the original video, I wouldn't shock
Speaker 2: me to say over fifty million, probably one hundred. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at all of them, and yet it does
Speaker 3: seem to be posted by many of different channels one
Speaker 3: of them so, and they're all a lot like The
Speaker 3: Legend of Old Greg has eight eight hundred and thirty
Speaker 3: four thousand views. Just just the clip, a fifty one
Speaker 3: second clip of Old Greg talking about watercolors as ninety
Speaker 3: six thousand views. Old Greg Love Games a four minute
Speaker 3: segment has one million views.
Speaker 2: I'm Old Greg, I love man. They're playing them love
Speaker 2: games A whip man.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm Old Greg from the Mighty Boosh has won
Speaker 3: point seven million views. Old Greg Dash Calm three ninety
Speaker 3: five has two point three million views. That was posted
Speaker 3: seventeen years ago. But that's only four and a half minutes.
Speaker 3: I think the original video is like fifteen minutes long
Speaker 3: or something like that.
Speaker 2: Right, if you take all of the like from when
Speaker 2: Howard was in the water to when they rescued him,
Speaker 2: and then you see old Greg on top of the
Speaker 2: van at the end, Yeah, I don't Yeah, that compilation,
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying. The original got taken down and
Speaker 2: then reposted and all that. There's no way to get
Speaker 2: a real number of that. But again, it wouldn't shock
Speaker 2: me if it's gotten over one hundred million, real shit, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, and I would definitely account for a good portion
Speaker 3: of those. Yeah, there's one that has three point eight
Speaker 3: million views. And that's the thing, Like it was, it
Speaker 3: was YouTube, you know, I mean, Ashton said, don't try
Speaker 3: creating an eggergre by nutting and shitting in a single flush.
Speaker 2: What the fuck don't do that?
Speaker 3: Ye, Dougie said up as a blum an Egregore.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah, I guess if you believe in it
Speaker 2: hard enough, right Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, hey, we all believe in crazy shit.
Speaker 5: It's just not great. It's like a fucking homunculous.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, at that point it would kind of
Speaker 2: be in the realm of a more homuncular thing than
Speaker 2: an eggergre right, I have about my sisters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually have told my daughter that she's a
Speaker 3: poop baby, a poop baby, and I birthed her, so,
Speaker 3: oh my god. Yeah, but that's my excuse for, you know,
Speaker 3: saying that she's the ship.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: Doug said, if Jews and moose Lambs can't eat pork,
Speaker 3: why was Ham named after a delicious pork meal.
Speaker 2: It's serious because Ham in the Bible was named after pigs, all.
Speaker 3: Right, Tony said to Kadisha or Kadija, if I remember
Speaker 3: he married Asia or Aisha much later. Islam may be
Speaker 3: pretty disgusting to modern ears, but the Old Testament is
Speaker 3: also very disgusting.
Speaker 2: Moses.
Speaker 3: Human sacrifice numbers thirty one forty.
Speaker 2: Ooh, let's look that one up. Numbers thirty one forty.
Speaker 2: I got you, you got it, all right.
Speaker 3: He also said, if you want to take meaning out
Speaker 3: of Cinderella or Sleeping Beauty, you don't need to take
Speaker 3: them literally either. It is just a flex or virtue
Speaker 3: signal to say I believe this literally. I agree it's
Speaker 3: a good point. Tony also said, I fully agree with
Speaker 3: Jacob here. It may or may not be literally true.
Speaker 3: I can't prove that it isn't, but it but it
Speaker 3: isn't the most important thing to me. That's the point
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, let's have forgot about this one. And
Speaker 2: forgive me for not being an expert on this one.
Speaker 2: I you know, I dive into the Old Testament from
Speaker 2: time to time, but I spend most of my reading
Speaker 2: into the New Testament. But number thirty one forty states
Speaker 2: that from the sixteen thousand captured women, thirty two were
Speaker 2: given as a tribute or offering to the Lord. This
Speaker 2: verse is part of a larger passage detailing the spoils
Speaker 2: of war from the Israelites victory over the Midianites, which
Speaker 2: was divided between the soldiers and the congregation. The context
Speaker 2: of this after the battle against the Midianites, the Israelite
Speaker 2: soldiers brought back plunder, including sheep, cattle, donkeys, and women
Speaker 2: tribute to the Lord. A small portion was designated as
Speaker 2: tribute for the Lord given to the priest ELA's Elizi
Speaker 2: r Eliezar. Matter of fact, you know what we can
Speaker 2: let me find the actual passage, so we can read
Speaker 2: it and get the thing here. Going in and says
Speaker 2: thirty one, So Moses and Eli the priest did as
Speaker 2: the Lord commanded Moses. The plunder remaining from the spoils
Speaker 2: that the soldiers took was six hundred and seventy five
Speaker 2: thousand sheep, seventy two thousand cattle, one thousand donkeys, and
Speaker 2: thirty two thousand women who had never slept with the mans.
Speaker 2: They were virgins.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 2: The half share of those who fought in the battle
Speaker 2: was Okay, hold on, hold on it, says read the
Speaker 2: whole chapter where grouping the women in with the animals. Though,
Speaker 2: isn't it well there plunder, what does that mean? Spoils
Speaker 2: of war property, slaves?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Gotcha? Okay? Moving and again as me saying, that does
Speaker 2: not mean that I agree with slavery everyone, Just so
Speaker 2: we're clear. Moving on it says Moses gave it to
Speaker 2: the priests. Blah blah blah. Uh from the Israelites. Half
Speaker 2: Moses elective one of every fifty people and animals, as
Speaker 2: the Lord commanded him, and gave them to the Levites,
Speaker 2: who were responsible for the care of the Lord's tabernacle.
Speaker 2: The officers who were over the units of the army.
Speaker 2: The commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds went to
Speaker 2: Moses and said to him, your servants have counted the
Speaker 2: soldiers under your command, and not one is missing. So
Speaker 2: we have brought as an offering to the Lord the
Speaker 2: gold articles. Each of us acquired armlets, bracelets, signet rings,
Speaker 2: earrings and necklaces to make atonement for ourselves before the Lord.
Speaker 2: Moses and Elias are accepted from the gold, all the
Speaker 2: crafted articles, all the gold from the commanders thousands of
Speaker 2: commanders of hundreds of Moses presented as a gift to
Speaker 2: the Lord, weighing sixteen seven hundred and fifty shekels. Each
Speaker 2: soldier had taken plunder for himself. Moses and Elias are
Speaker 2: the priest accepted the gold. Okay, So it says that
Speaker 2: they accepted these offerings for the Levite priest. I don't
Speaker 2: know if it absolutely says that they were sacrificed like
Speaker 2: human sacrifice. It says that they were given to the
Speaker 2: Levite priest. It's very possible they worked as servants in
Speaker 2: the temple. I don't know that for a fact. I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to whitewash it. If it absolutely does say
Speaker 2: that they killed these women as an offering to the lord,
Speaker 2: then like okay, but reading the verse it does not
Speaker 2: say that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to look it up myself, and maybe
Speaker 3: there's an interpretation of it somewhere.
Speaker 2: Which I mean. And if you're giving over these animals
Speaker 2: to the priests for sacrifice, you also have to keep
Speaker 2: in mind that they had to be without blemish, They
Speaker 2: had to be perfect animals in order to be sacrificed.
Speaker 2: So that being said, does that mean that every single
Speaker 2: thing that was given over was sacrificed or was this
Speaker 2: given as tribute to the lords that the Levite priest
Speaker 2: could eat of it? Right, which we've talked about that too.
Speaker 2: Tithe was supposed to be a tenth of your harvest,
Speaker 2: and a tenth of your your crops, the tenth of
Speaker 2: your herds, all these things, And that wasn't for sacrificial purposes.
Speaker 2: That was so that the Levite priest could eat, because
Speaker 2: they weren't allowed to farm land. So when you would
Speaker 2: give your tribute to the temple storehouse, that was so
Speaker 2: that the priest and his family could survive and eat
Speaker 2: and live. So when they are diving up these females.
Speaker 2: Not necessarily mean that that was for sacrificial purposes. That
Speaker 2: could mean that they were given over to be servants
Speaker 2: in the church for whatever need to be done. Could
Speaker 2: also very well mean human sacrifice. I'm not again, I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to whitewash. I'm saying that we need to
Speaker 2: look at the entire context. Yeah.
Speaker 3: What I found is is that it was just understood
Speaker 3: that they were given up as offerings, not necessarily sacrifice.
Speaker 3: But I mean, either way, it's kind of weird that
Speaker 3: you'd be giving up thirty two thousand virgin women as
Speaker 3: an offering, like an offering to another tribe or an
Speaker 3: offering to God.
Speaker 2: Right, it was to God, I think to the Levites,
Speaker 2: the priests, o'kay. Anyway, Yeah, I don't know enough about it,
Speaker 2: but it's interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, spirit animals said, anyone, anyone want a bong or
Speaker 3: rip with bong rip with me?
Speaker 2: For Dale? Of course?
Speaker 3: For of course, Tony said, And now I agree with Jonathan.
Speaker 3: The worldwide flood does not make sense. Local floods, yes,
Speaker 3: but conservation of mass begs the question where did enough
Speaker 3: water to cover Mount Everest come from? And where did
Speaker 3: it go? Some mysterious vaults.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes, some people survived floods on boats. That's where the
Speaker 3: story came from. All right, Tony wants that smoke, baby,
Speaker 3: He's trying no.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing. Tony is a free and independent
Speaker 2: human being that has formulated his own ideas as far
Speaker 2: as the Old Testament is concerned, but still finds truth
Speaker 2: in the Bible enough to call himself a Catholic. So
Speaker 2: like cool, you know, I don't think and for the record,
Speaker 2: I don't believe that if you don't believe in Noah's flood,
Speaker 2: then you're condemning your soul to hell. I don't believe
Speaker 2: that it's required to believe Noah's flood for you to
Speaker 2: attain salvation, just so we're clear, or that the earth
Speaker 2: is flat, or that David did the things that he
Speaker 2: said he did, or the Jonah and the Whale. I
Speaker 2: don't believe that you have to believe these things in
Speaker 2: order to attain salvation. It's not a salvation issue in
Speaker 2: my personal opinion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you do have to believe that Dougie gives
Speaker 3: blumpkins in order for you to achieve salvation, fact order
Speaker 3: for you to be.
Speaker 2: A cult member, you do the way the Dougie gives
Speaker 2: blunkins or receives them.
Speaker 3: Hold on now, wow, okay, yeah I should have Well,
Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe he's just for it either way.
Speaker 2: Doug way in on this, because we really can't make
Speaker 2: a distinction one way or another. We have a resident
Speaker 2: trans correspondence, we have a resident furry correspondent. We got
Speaker 2: letsbian correspondence, we got Where are you at with this, Dougie?
Speaker 2: Are you giving or receiving blumpkins?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 10: I think it's better to give than to receive.
Speaker 2: Oh, for the love of God, Dougy, you wold?
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, fiend's going fiend? You know what
Speaker 3: I mean, It doesn't matter the circumstance.
Speaker 10: It's weird, the circumstance of the circumcision.
Speaker 2: Kay, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Doug said Jonathan needs a bomb rip. He's going to
Speaker 3: have a stroke, you know what. And some people think
Speaker 3: that I get like so like crazy and out there.
Speaker 2: Maybe I do.
Speaker 3: Somebody said that I sound like fucking Seinfeld whenever I
Speaker 3: get high pitched.
Speaker 2: Really, I have never heard you sound like Jerry Seinfeld. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also like my women a little bit older, and
Speaker 2: Jerry likes them so just want to throw that one
Speaker 2: out there, uh.
Speaker 3: Ashton said, Bro, these guys are Yin and Yang.
Speaker 2: Yes we are. I think so.
Speaker 3: Jacob's the sun for obvious reasons, and I will be
Speaker 3: the moon, the goddess of the night, the goddess, uh
Speaker 3: Tony said. Who wrote the Old Testament? Probably four authors
Speaker 3: as proposed here. And I can't pull up the picture
Speaker 3: some reason. It doesn't let me get all the pictures
Speaker 3: in the chat.
Speaker 2: It's the same, the same. But also when you say
Speaker 2: the Old Testament, you mean the Torah? Or do you
Speaker 2: mean the entirety of the Old Testament? Because actually, you
Speaker 2: know what I could uh, I looked up an image
Speaker 2: of this here the other day. Let me see here
Speaker 2: who wrote the ot?
Speaker 3: I thought that was believed to be Moses. Well for
Speaker 3: the Torah, it was for the first five books. Let's
Speaker 3: see here. Moses is credited with writing the first five
Speaker 3: books of the Torah. David wrote Psalms, Solomon wrote, you know,
Speaker 3: the wisdom literature. It also includes writing from various prophets
Speaker 3: such as Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel, contributions from other figures
Speaker 3: like Ezra and Nehemiah, and lesser known individuals. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: then there's also a couple of them that are writing
Speaker 3: as contemporaries of each other. I want to say it
Speaker 3: was the Book of Daniel, the Book of Malachi, and
Speaker 3: one no, no, no, Malachi was the last one written,
Speaker 3: and that was written by Malachi. But yeah, so, I
Speaker 3: mean the Old Testament was written by you know, a
Speaker 3: few people, not just four. But you know, Tony said,
Speaker 3: all the time, Western mainstream media is telling us how
Speaker 3: I ran as some fantastic wasteland where religion other than
Speaker 3: Islam can't breathe. Then Taran opens a Holy Virgin Mary
Speaker 3: metro station covered in Christian symbols, and the whole story
Speaker 3: falls apart. Turns out we what we've been fed is
Speaker 3: in truth. It's propaganda to push a certain narrative. I
Speaker 3: actually saw this literally earlier today, and they I correct
Speaker 3: me if I'm wrong. Like they do ignoreledge Jesus and
Speaker 3: Mary as real people, so like the Islam Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely they do. But they don't believe that Jesus actually
Speaker 2: died on the cross. They think that his spirit was
Speaker 2: on the cross and it was the image of him,
Speaker 2: but not the actual physical hymn. They acknowledged Mary to
Speaker 2: be a real person, but they believe that she was
Speaker 2: raped by a Roman soldier. And that's where we get
Speaker 2: the quote unquote immaculate conception story. When you look at
Speaker 2: what the Islam believe, it is extremely gnostic. And the
Speaker 2: reason for that is because, like we said earlier, Mohammed
Speaker 2: was illiterate and he was a war lord that was
Speaker 2: operating on the Silk.
Speaker 3: Road, and the Gnostics don't compare him to that. The
Speaker 3: Gnostics were very well read. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: they were seen as a hierarchical thing because the random
Speaker 3: Joes and Josephines of the world couldn't understand it.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm not saying the Nastics were reliterate,
Speaker 2: not at all. What I'm saying is that he was
Speaker 2: a illiterate war lord that was operating on the Silk Road.
Speaker 2: And during this time, stories were traversing the Silk Road, right,
Speaker 2: which is why a lot of the Gnostics also had
Speaker 2: some Manicheism within them that they would like kind of
Speaker 2: get down with in certain regards, which was a Chinese thing.
Speaker 2: But it was stories that he had heard, and it
Speaker 2: wasn't even like he had heard the entire story. He
Speaker 2: heard bits and pieces of certain stories. Some of them
Speaker 2: were Biblical, some of them were Gnostics, some of them
Speaker 2: were Tyranic, some of them were Zoroastrian. Like he heard
Speaker 2: little bits from here and there and then kind of
Speaker 2: eclectically compiled them all to be his thing and then said, oh,
Speaker 2: I got this wisdom from Alla, and it was a
Speaker 2: whole thing. But like he himself had done no research
Speaker 2: into any of it. And it's very clear if you
Speaker 2: ever look at the Koran itself.
Speaker 3: Which does kind of beg the question, like, is you
Speaker 3: know what I was trying to say about how the
Speaker 3: basically the Gnostics were genocided. Is that kind of what
Speaker 3: is transpiring in the Middle East? You know, if you
Speaker 3: think about it, like Israel has been trying to pull
Speaker 3: us into their Middle Eastern wars for forever, And I mean,
Speaker 3: is it a religious matter?
Speaker 2: For them? It's a survival matter but also a religious matter.
Speaker 2: They don't they see the two is connected. No, No,
Speaker 2: from Israel's perspective, Yeah, oh okay, So for Israel, they
Speaker 2: see it as a religious and a survival thing the
Speaker 2: Islamic world surrounds them. But also keep in mind most
Speaker 2: of the Islamic world doesn't give a fuck about what's
Speaker 2: going on with Gaza. They'll claim that they do, but
Speaker 2: they don't. Actually, if they did, they would do something
Speaker 2: about it. They're not. And then if you could also,
Speaker 2: there's so many clips of these college kids that are
Speaker 2: Muslim women that are wearing the whole hood job and
Speaker 2: all this stuff. And this this dude that was speaking
Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, he's a Jewish guy, and
Speaker 2: he's like, real quick, I'm just gonna ask you point blank.
Speaker 2: In the Quran it says that all the Jews should
Speaker 2: be rounded up and executed? Do you believe that? And
Speaker 2: she's like, well, you cannot ask me this because obviously
Speaker 2: if I have to say this and have to say this,
Speaker 2: and you're putting me in a bad position and it's
Speaker 2: in the bad light in the wrong context. He's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I am asking you as an individual. Do you believe
Speaker 2: that all Jews shouldn't indeed didn't say Israelites, he didn't
Speaker 2: say people in the nation of Israel. He said all
Speaker 2: Jews should be rounded up and executed. And are you
Speaker 2: four or against this? And she goes four. He's like, well,
Speaker 2: then I have nothing more to say to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's why beliefs are dangerous. You know,
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, beliefs are out of convenience.
Speaker 3: That's just personally my opinion. But I will say that
Speaker 3: even even interestingly so, I've seen countless videos of Christian
Speaker 3: proselytizers that go down to Israel and they try and
Speaker 3: convert Jews over to Christianity, and they are not.
Speaker 2: No, that is not a thing. You who isra don't
Speaker 2: get down with that. They do not down with proselytizing,
Speaker 2: right right, Blumken your word, sir.
Speaker 10: Going back to Jesus dying on the cross, have you
Speaker 10: guys heard the theory that Barabbas was the name Barabbas
Speaker 10: means son of the Father, and that there's some kind
Speaker 10: of conspiracy that maybe he was Jesus or something like that.
Speaker 2: So Barrabas' first name was Jesus. That's that's the catch
Speaker 2: twenty two of this poncious pilot says, I have two
Speaker 2: Jesuses here, Should I crucify this one or that one?
Speaker 2: They listed him as Barrabas to show a distinction between
Speaker 2: the son of God and the criminal. But understand that, yeah,
Speaker 2: Barrabas' first name actually was Jesus. Jesus was like the
Speaker 2: fifth most popular name during this time in Israel. It
Speaker 2: was a very popular name. It's like I have two
Speaker 2: John's here. I have John Smith and John Wilson. Which
Speaker 2: John should I crucify? Kind of thing. It was, yeah,
Speaker 2: pretty wild, which I mean technically it wasn't Jesus. It
Speaker 2: was you know, it was Yeshuah, which later into the
Speaker 2: Greek was Jesus, which later to the Latin became Jesus,
Speaker 2: which we now know it as. But yeah, that was
Speaker 2: a very common name during that time. Okay, um, he said,
Speaker 2: Tony said.
Speaker 3: Iran will soon open the Holy Mary metro station near
Speaker 3: Saint Sarcas Church in Tehran. A beautiful symbol of respect
Speaker 3: and harmony among faiths in Iran.
Speaker 2: Interesting, that's wild. Iran is not known for being very
Speaker 2: open and cool with people of different faiths at all.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, the Iyahtola has been very
Speaker 2: clear about that. But okay, but.
Speaker 3: Does the Iatola speak on behalf of every individual living there?
Speaker 2: I think? Is he speaks on behalf of an entire
Speaker 2: sect of Islam. Yeah, he's seen as the pope of
Speaker 2: that group. Does this? Does the pope speak for you? No,
Speaker 2: he speaks for all Catholics.
Speaker 3: Okay, mmmmm, Sam said hashtag snow globe earth m hm
Speaker 3: uh sure, Tony said. The guy who does the Bible episodes,
Speaker 3: Josh Monday said that the biblical flat earth is is
Speaker 3: a required belief binding, as in, God will be disappointed
Speaker 3: in or angry with you if you don't believe it.
Speaker 5: Did he say that?
Speaker 2: I respectfully disagree with Josh Monday on that point. I
Speaker 2: believe that it is completely disassociated from being a salvation issue.
Speaker 2: You believe that the earth is flat or around does
Speaker 2: nothing for or against Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, so
Speaker 2: that it's nothing that we should be arguing over. To
Speaker 2: the point of God, it's a requirement to make it
Speaker 2: to heaven. That's silly in my personal opinion, Joe said.
Speaker 3: Joe from Australia said, Hey, shout out to Blueie, most
Speaker 3: famous AUSSI I swear dude, blue is the shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Louis. And that's something that like, I actually enjoy
Speaker 2: watching with my kid. And there's a group of parents
Speaker 2: that actually don't allow their children to watch it. Why
Speaker 2: because the parents don't actually correct their kids ever, They
Speaker 2: like allow their kids to have these crazy fits and
Speaker 2: these tantrums and all this stuff and then work it
Speaker 2: out later instead of fucking shopping ass when is needed.
Speaker 3: And it's like, I mean, everybody has their own way
Speaker 3: of parenting. If you feel that way, definitely don't watch
Speaker 3: Pepa Pig because that little shit I can't stand her.
Speaker 2: Dude, Fuck Pepa Pig and fuck Kyu too.
Speaker 3: Smoker of Trees said Steve Irwin. He is a pretty
Speaker 3: popular one, all right.
Speaker 2: I think he might be the most popular Aussie actually
Speaker 2: out loud Blue. He might be giving him a run
Speaker 2: for his money these days. But we know Steve, We
Speaker 2: remember Steve never Indeed, it's really sad what's happening to
Speaker 2: his land right now too? His kids carrying the George though, do.
Speaker 4: I saym I was gonna ask what's going on with
Speaker 4: his land?
Speaker 2: So the land that he acquired was uh, he was
Speaker 2: using it as basically a wildlife refuge, right and he
Speaker 2: was doing very well with it. But once he died,
Speaker 2: his family stopped bringing in the amount of income that
Speaker 2: he was able to bring in because he was like,
Speaker 2: the guy wasn't just the TV show, was the donations
Speaker 2: and the TV show and his other stuff that he
Speaker 2: was doing that able to fund this wildlife refuge center.
Speaker 2: And because the money isn't flowing in like it once did,
Speaker 2: the Australian government has been seizing massive chunks of their land,
Speaker 2: and uh, the Irwin family is a at least the
Speaker 2: Irwin Project is a shell of what it once was.
Speaker 2: It's actually pretty heartbreaking the scene. His kids are struggling
Speaker 2: and giving it everything they can to keep their dad's
Speaker 2: hopes and dreams alive here. But it's I mean, you
Speaker 2: can't replace the guy, you know. It's not like they're
Speaker 2: trying by any means. But yeah, the Australian government is
Speaker 2: seizing the opportunity and reclaiming a lot of that land
Speaker 2: and it's it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen that movie called Strange Wilderness with
Speaker 3: Steve's on?
Speaker 2: I feel like I have.
Speaker 3: It's a I mean, it's awesome movie, but it kind
Speaker 3: of reminds me of the Irwins in a way. Great movie,
Speaker 3: it's hilarious. Doug said, Uh, well, he posted a picture
Speaker 3: of blue chew unavoidable guide for the latest powerful rectile
Speaker 3: function medicine that quickly restores restores men's performance in bed,
Speaker 3: and then it says sponsor of the COEC the k
Speaker 3: is silent.
Speaker 2: Ah love it, I will say no, fuck it. Blue
Speaker 2: Choo has never offered us a sponsorship deal. Look, I'm down,
Speaker 2: we give we do ad reads for Adam and Eve.
Speaker 2: I would be down to do an ad read for
Speaker 2: blue Choo, but they have never reached out to us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's unfortunate, man, where we Ashton said. There's a
Speaker 3: timestamp in the most recent episode around the one hour
Speaker 3: mark where Jonathan says liquid assets. But I heard liquid
Speaker 3: ass at first, as in the fart spray.
Speaker 2: Ah, that's great, that's great. I've pranked a few people
Speaker 2: in my time with some fart spray for sure to
Speaker 2: be alive, said, got to bleach the anus. Sure, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna knock somebody for that one. But you know,
Speaker 2: I feel like it's very weird for somebody to be
Speaker 2: so concerned with the color of their own asshole that
Speaker 2: they want to go through the process of altering that. Again,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna, you know, shit on some wow freezing.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to judge someone for wanting to improve
Speaker 2: their own body, but like, of all the things on
Speaker 2: your body, you could be concerned with the color of
Speaker 2: your butthole. Is that much of an issue for you
Speaker 2: that you want to pay good money to have that altered.
Speaker 2: I mean, get after it, you know, sure.
Speaker 3: I mean that being said, I'm not a big fan
Speaker 3: of the discoloration in that area.
Speaker 2: It kind of throws me off.
Speaker 3: I can't say that I've ever really paid that much
Speaker 3: attention big dog, you know. I mean, you're the one
Speaker 3: that's punching balloon knots over there, sir.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, but I've never thought, huh oh no,
Speaker 2: that color is very different from the rest of the cheeks.
Speaker 2: I should walk away now.
Speaker 11: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just reminds me of like, man, can we be
Speaker 2: sure that this person wiped well enough? No, that's why
Speaker 2: I say, straight out the shower. That's the only way
Speaker 2: to fly. Hey, you never know, sometimes a fart escapes you.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, okay, fair enough. I've never had that
Speaker 2: happen to me. But I mean, I suppose it's a thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, you trying to say that you've never falsely
Speaker 3: trusted a fart.
Speaker 2: Oh No, no, I'm saying that I've never accidentally sucked
Speaker 2: in a fart while tongue punching a balloon. No, that's
Speaker 2: all I'm saying I'm sure it has happened to many,
Speaker 2: to many a good soldier out there. I'm just I'm
Speaker 2: saying that I've been lucky enough that I've never had
Speaker 2: it happen to me ever.
Speaker 3: But you know, cool, Yeah, Ashton said, Jonathan is a
Speaker 3: student of the dark lord.
Speaker 2: Meth in hell Satan. Uh so go that route, but
Speaker 2: you won't eat ass. That blows my fucking mind.
Speaker 3: I go that route joking, eating ass is a real thing.
Speaker 2: There ain't no way. So was that devil promise you?
Speaker 2: M maybe?
Speaker 3: Oh God, white boy wizard said blum Oculus. Blum Oculus
Speaker 3: like a blumpkin. Yeah, the oculus, Ashton said. Don't break
Speaker 3: bread break ham.
Speaker 5: A monculous bloo mounculus.
Speaker 2: Ah, I dig it, I dig it. And also, don't
Speaker 2: break bread break ham. Listen, I'm all about cracking a
Speaker 2: slice of bacon and sherry. You know, I hear that,
Speaker 2: not me, It's all mine.
Speaker 3: Joe said, wish I could blaze with the cult. Sadly,
Speaker 3: I work through the live I feel that. Hey, thanks
Speaker 3: for keeping us around. Hopefully we can make your shift
Speaker 3: go by a little bit faster.
Speaker 2: Ashton said.
Speaker 3: Jacob loves Israel because biblical Jacob becomes Israel sarcasm.
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, sure, that's a theory. I know you're making
Speaker 2: a joker, Ashton, but no, I I have my own
Speaker 2: reason for supporting the nation of Israel, not net in
Speaker 2: Yahoo or there. I'm not. I don't get down with
Speaker 2: the whole ultra Zionist bullshit, but supporting the nation of
Speaker 2: Israel existing, yeah, yeah, I would. I agree with that,
Speaker 2: you know, and some people would say that makes me
Speaker 2: aschatologists too, And no, really, I also believe that Kurdistan
Speaker 2: should be a place. Just we're all clear. I believe
Speaker 2: the Kurds should have their own land.
Speaker 3: What about the Nos? You think the Gnostics should have
Speaker 3: had their own land at one point?
Speaker 2: No, I'm glad they're all burned at the stake. Fuck.
Speaker 2: Oh my good god, you fuck cat ours. I'm joking, bro,
Speaker 2: But no, the Gnostics don't claim any sect or area
Speaker 2: of land is there inherent you know, given by God
Speaker 2: birthright place. They believe that everything in this physical reality
Speaker 2: is evil, so they muld say that any plot of
Speaker 2: land is evil as well. But that being said, I
Speaker 2: don't think that it's right just to say, well, God
Speaker 2: gave us this and now it's ours. Shit, that's how
Speaker 2: South Africa became a country. Umm, pop goes the weasel said.
Speaker 2: Fuck Pepa and Coco melon both have adverse effects on children.
Speaker 3: Neither are allowed in our house. Coca Melon's definitely not allowed.
Speaker 3: Pepa Pig, my son, he he got to it and
Speaker 3: there's no taking him back from it right now.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Coco melon does not play in my house. Cocomelon
Speaker 2: will not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Coca melon. There's a couple other ones. Uh, Masha
Speaker 3: and the Bear.
Speaker 2: No, not with that one. I'll tell you what. We
Speaker 2: get down with Little Einstein. Yeah, it's like we're about
Speaker 2: that little Einstein like up in this house and Blueie,
Speaker 2: we get down with that. Also, Zuboomafu for any of
Speaker 2: the real ones out there that know about that. The
Speaker 2: Crat brothers that have the little leaping lemur and they
Speaker 2: they do animal shit. That's what we about up in
Speaker 2: this house. My four year old just discovered the wild
Speaker 2: Crats and I'm like, oh, oh, you're going back to
Speaker 2: my time when I was your age. Sit down, son,
Speaker 2: let's do this.
Speaker 3: Also, dragon ball z we get down with the dude,
Speaker 3: my favorite. Whenever my daughter was growing up. I mean
Speaker 3: she's still grown up, but back whenever she was a
Speaker 3: little girl. Dude, Octin Odds went hard. That was one
Speaker 3: of my favorites.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you mean the the the propaganda side of Hydra.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, get him.
Speaker 6: I don't have the photo anymore, but I sent y'
Speaker 6: all the photo of that one time before.
Speaker 4: All it is is the the Kindergarten version of of Hydra.
Speaker 2: Gives Creature Report a whole different ring now, doesn't Creature Report.
Speaker 4: Little Einstein's was pretty good? But do you all remember?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I still have I have the complete I have
Speaker 6: the complete series on PHS.
Speaker 3: You know how you never hear get a shout out anymore?
Speaker 2: Is PB and j Otter. You're right, that's a deep
Speaker 2: cut p B.
Speaker 4: That was.
Speaker 2: That was a classic in my day. Between the Lions,
Speaker 2: Between the Lions, that was a great PBS show to
Speaker 2: teaching kids how to read. And where's the wild thornberries
Speaker 2: when you need them? You know, we have a thornberry
Speaker 2: meme earlier. That's true, Thunberg, that was a good one.
Speaker 1: Doug.
Speaker 3: Doug sent me somewhere in the multiverse, Uncle Ben and
Speaker 3: Peter hook up.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, oh gross.
Speaker 3: It said, with great incests comes great responsibility.
Speaker 2: You want to why why though? Good God? All right,
Speaker 2: p uncle Ben good. Yeah. And then there what was
Speaker 2: that one with all the Spider Man that came together
Speaker 2: and then they're like, damn, that's Aunt Meg and it's
Speaker 2: like that's not my aunt Meg, dude, what's up? And
Speaker 2: it's like, bro, stop it, stop it right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they turned it Meg hot, Aunt May Hot Marissa
Speaker 3: to May.
Speaker 2: Mass and yeah, my bass said meg Aunt May. I
Speaker 2: don't really watch a lot of the the you know,
Speaker 2: Marvel things, honestly, Yeah, dude.
Speaker 3: She was definitely the hottest one. The other one was
Speaker 3: what's her name from?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: Oh The Green Tomatoes. I can't remember the name of
Speaker 3: the movie. No Green Tomatoes. Yeah, the woman that was
Speaker 3: famous for saying.
Speaker 2: They love me, they really love me. I can't remember
Speaker 2: her name. No, Kathy Bates, No, not Kathy Bates. But say, wait,
Speaker 2: what the fuck? Let me see Fry Green. Wait she
Speaker 2: was the ant Man, which, uh which spider Man? The
Speaker 2: Andrew Garfield one. I think I only seemed like a
Speaker 2: portion of field Sally Field. Yes, yes, yes, yes, that's
Speaker 2: really Oh fuck.
Speaker 4: Oh wait that?
Speaker 2: Uh is that?
Speaker 4: Tellyd the Andrew one.
Speaker 3: Maguire's no, Toby McGuire had the super old ant May.
Speaker 2: Whenever I think of Sally Field, all I think is
Speaker 2: Smoking in the Bandit. All I honestly cannot see or
Speaker 2: in any other role than that. Forrest Gump's mama about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Forrest Gump's mama, she looked just the same. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think they were probably shot around the same time. Uh,
Speaker 3: Forrest Gump and Spider Man. When was Forrest Gump that
Speaker 3: came out? Probably ninety eight something.
Speaker 2: Like that, Yeah, but I mean that was that was
Speaker 2: way after uh the Smoking the Bandit.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. For oh, Forest gumb
Speaker 3: came out in ninety four only shit damn.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It still kind of ruins me at the end
Speaker 2: when you realize that both Forrest got aids because of
Speaker 2: Jenny and.
Speaker 3: That Forrest Gump was doing the Bafomet signal whenever he
Speaker 3: was waving by to Jenny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people forget about that one. Yeah. Yeah, dude, go ahead,
Speaker 2: Spirit Animal.
Speaker 5: Not the Mint.
Speaker 6: If you really want to take it back to the
Speaker 6: most evil bitch, let's take it back to Vose from Titanic.
Speaker 6: She told she she kept the movie that what not
Speaker 6: the movie, but the Heart of the Ocean kept it.
Speaker 6: Then threw it over the board when she really could
Speaker 6: have just gave it to her grandparent I met her granddaughter,
Speaker 6: or give it to the guy who spent his whole
Speaker 6: life trying to find the fucking thing. But no, Well
Speaker 6: when he pissed me off is there was enough room
Speaker 6: And it's been proven by MythBusters. She could have scooped
Speaker 6: the fuck over and let Jack get on, but no,
Speaker 6: he posted trying to save her, and he said.
Speaker 4: I'll never let you go Jack. Then yeats a little
Speaker 4: bastard off. Also, there's a theory that he was a
Speaker 4: time traveler because the lake.
Speaker 6: That he said that he and his dad went ice
Speaker 6: fishing on did not exist in nineteen twelve.
Speaker 2: Yep, YEPA possibly with the time traveler bullshit. But then also, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm with you, and we've talked about this on this
Speaker 2: show before the story of the Titanic and the ending
Speaker 2: of it. Basically, this old brod just wanted to tell
Speaker 2: her granddaughter how she got dicked down on her way
Speaker 2: from Europe to America and the group the Sapphire that
Speaker 2: was supposed to fund the entire expedition she fucking chunked
Speaker 2: off the boat at the end like that it was
Speaker 2: a bit ass move. It was a bit ass move,
Speaker 2: and there's no doubt about that. There's just there's just
Speaker 2: there's no excuse.
Speaker 4: They just yat it off the ship at that point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she she deserved to get the faith that Jack did. Unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Uh, Pop Gosuisel said, love love Marvel. It's my sin.
Speaker 2: Same here.
Speaker 3: I actually just I'm starting to actually fuck with DC
Speaker 3: more than Marvel now, Like the DC movies are way
Speaker 3: better than Marvel, like the ones that are coming out,
Speaker 3: like the Mark I still I still watch all the
Speaker 3: Marvel movies, but the DC movies and the DC shows
Speaker 3: have been great. Like, dude, the new season of peace
Speaker 3: Maker was fucking awesome. The new Superman movie was fucking awesome.
Speaker 2: Loved it. I haven't seen the New Superman. I do
Speaker 2: like Peacemaker though, but I like d C for the
Speaker 2: villains more. I like Marvel for the heroes more. And
Speaker 2: Peacemaker is one of these, like his dad was a
Speaker 2: villain and he was supposed to be a villain, so
Speaker 2: he's kind of like the anti hero rules Nacy. That's
Speaker 2: the thing right now. Huh, No spoilers, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: give any spoilers, but My point is that is the
Speaker 2: big push that the comic book genre. As far as
Speaker 2: movies are going these days, it's all about the anti hero, right,
Speaker 2: Black Adam, Deadpool, all these people that are like you
Speaker 2: want to they're bad guys, but they're doing good I
Speaker 2: mean way, but they're still good.
Speaker 3: Wolverine, the Punisher, basically all anti heroes.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and none of them were necessarily supposed to be. Well,
Speaker 2: the Punisher he was supposed to be kind of his
Speaker 2: own thing, but like Wolverine was never meant to be
Speaker 2: a main character, but he became the main character when
Speaker 2: they were like, wait a minute, the public loves a
Speaker 2: good anti hero and they could make more money on
Speaker 2: that shit.
Speaker 3: Oh it's you know, the anti heroes are more human.
Speaker 3: There's more of a human element to an anti hero
Speaker 3: than there is a hero or a villain, because we
Speaker 3: kind of got everybody has that little mix of good
Speaker 3: and bad inside of them, so they're they're more you
Speaker 3: can relate a little bit more, I think, especially the
Speaker 3: story of the Punished, like dude got his whole fucking
Speaker 3: family taken out, Like of course, yeah, I'd go on
Speaker 3: a rampage too, No.
Speaker 2: No, I get it, And like I understand why the
Speaker 2: anti hero what's the word I'm looking for trope is
Speaker 2: getting way more pushed in the narratives as far as
Speaker 2: the comic books are concerned. But like, that's kind of
Speaker 2: the whole point though, right. Superheroes were supposed to be
Speaker 2: seen as like this intrinsic good look at Superman. He's
Speaker 2: supposed to be just impervious to all the shit and then,
Speaker 2: not to quote kill Bill, but I do find it
Speaker 2: interesting that at all all things stripped away, his version
Speaker 2: of Clark Kent is actually supposed to be a look
Speaker 2: at the human race as a whole. And that's interesting, right, So, like,
Speaker 2: cause you think about this, When Bruce Wayne takes off
Speaker 2: the costume, he is I'm sorry. When Batman takes off
Speaker 2: the costume, he's Bruce Wayne, right. Whenever Spider Man takes
Speaker 2: off the costume, he's Peter Parker. When iron Man takes
Speaker 2: off the costume, he's Tony Stark. When Superman takes off
Speaker 2: the costume, he's Superman. He has to put on a
Speaker 2: costume to become Clark Kent. And what is Clark Kent?
Speaker 2: This nerdy, super shy, super unsure of himself. He's clumsy,
Speaker 2: he's scared a lot. That was his attempt to blend
Speaker 2: into human society, because if that's the goal, is to
Speaker 2: look like you're just like everybody else, that's what he
Speaker 2: thought of the human race. Well yeah, okay, I mean
Speaker 2: it could be worse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Joe said, after cracking open my third eye,
Speaker 3: I can't sit through a movie or TV show.
Speaker 2: Thanks, guys. You know it's it.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's actually fun because I look at every every
Speaker 3: single show. I look at as if every single show
Speaker 3: and movie has some sort of easter egg. Now like
Speaker 3: not necessarily like on purpose built in easter egg, but
Speaker 3: you're looking for like where's the deception? Where am I
Speaker 3: looking at? You know, And it's just about becoming aware
Speaker 3: to it. So there was a long period of time
Speaker 3: where I was not watching shows, I was not watching movies.
Speaker 3: I was like, fuck this, I'm not here for all
Speaker 3: the symbolism they're trying to convince me of all this,
Speaker 3: or they're using me as part of a ritual. I'm
Speaker 3: not doing it anymore. But dude, you got a fucking
Speaker 3: blue pill. From time to time, like we are human,
Speaker 3: you know, like we have to we don't have to
Speaker 3: do anything, but you know, it's it's more fun whenever
Speaker 3: you kind of succumb to the blue pill.
Speaker 2: From time to time, I like to look at certain movies,
Speaker 2: especially if the director did things purposely like uh and
Speaker 2: not to like be a part of the op by
Speaker 2: any means here, But you've seen The Departed, I can't
Speaker 2: remember what's who's there?
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: Matt Damon and Leo DiCaprio are playing cops that are
Speaker 2: like trying to find each other and it's a against
Speaker 2: the Irish crime boss. At the time that was supposed
Speaker 2: to be it was supposed to be based off of
Speaker 2: Whitey Bulger. It's an exce limit might have. It sounds
Speaker 2: kind of familiar, But for anybody who has seen it,
Speaker 2: did you realize that every time somebody dies on camera
Speaker 2: there's an X on screen in some way, shape or form,
Speaker 2: whether it's tape on windows or in the rafters behind
Speaker 2: him or something like this. Come to find out, the
Speaker 2: director did that as an homage to the old silent
Speaker 2: black and white films where when somebody died, they'd have
Speaker 2: black x's on their eyes to look like they're dead.
Speaker 2: That was his nod to old school movie magic from
Speaker 2: back in the day. And it's like those little kind
Speaker 2: of easter eggs, Like that's dope. You like that kind
Speaker 2: of shit? You know, yeah, I'm definitely for that. What
Speaker 2: else here?
Speaker 3: Why what wizard said? Forrest Comb's mama could give me
Speaker 3: a blumpkin.
Speaker 2: I probably cared about his schooling. That's a fact he did.
Speaker 2: That made that principal squeal like a pig. And he
Speaker 2: comes out and he's on you know, And as a
Speaker 2: kid I watched that, I didn't understand what the fuck
Speaker 2: now that I'm watching this boy Forrest comes, mama was
Speaker 2: putting the hurting on that boy, making him he hey, hey,
Speaker 2: like yo, what kind of fuck was going on up?
Speaker 2: But Comma Sutra going on there or something? She was
Speaker 2: about that ship?
Speaker 3: She was thrown out ass in a circle. Hob goz
Speaker 3: Weisel said, No, DC, only good is Batman.
Speaker 2: You know, I love the Green Lantern too. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of DC characters that I love. The Green Lantern
Speaker 2: is fucking trapped.
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about the movie or any I'm saying
Speaker 3: the comment, like, it's a really cool idea, like to
Speaker 3: have that ring and just transform into fucking anything.
Speaker 2: That's a badass power. But at the same time, even
Speaker 2: according to the comic books. One side he's impervious or
Speaker 2: except for the color yellow, and then the other one
Speaker 2: would could take him out. So a number two pencil
Speaker 2: can fucking decimate the green lantern of Past and President.
Speaker 3: It's I'm not saying I love him because he's invincible.
Speaker 3: I just think that the power is awesome.
Speaker 2: Man. I feel like, uh, Professor Xavier probably had one
Speaker 2: of the best powers. Oh real shit, telepathy. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: that being said, he could have fucking made himself walk, you.
Speaker 3: Would think, but he probably Maybe he just wanted to
Speaker 3: focus his efforts on more important things.
Speaker 2: I guess. Or maybe he just was lazy, wanted to
Speaker 2: sit forever. I don't know. Hey, can't blame him.
Speaker 3: Joe said, Hey, Hugh Jackman did Wolverine well though, so
Speaker 3: Aussie's at it again.
Speaker 2: Very true. I agree, Hugh Jackman did an ex job
Speaker 2: with that role, for sure.
Speaker 3: I think that actually, and I love all the Wolverine movies,
Speaker 3: but I think that, uh, dude, He's been in a
Speaker 3: lot of great movies. Like you ever seen The Greatest Showman?
Speaker 3: I falk with that movie. That is one of my
Speaker 3: favorite movies of all time. That and Real Steel, great movie.
Speaker 2: I love that movie. Yes, I didn't know that The
Speaker 2: Greatest Showman was supposed to be a musical. I was
Speaker 2: very upset about five minutes into it, and I'm just like, bro,
Speaker 2: it was great that like is awesome. Y'all had to
Speaker 2: make it this. You had to make it gay.
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't gay. I loved it, not to say
Speaker 3: I can't love gay things, but you.
Speaker 2: Know, I didn't mean gay like homosexual. I mean gay
Speaker 2: like you like nineties. You know what I'm saying. But like,
Speaker 2: and then Zindaia is in it, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: here we go. I like Sindia.
Speaker 3: As an actor, I don't like I. I know how
Speaker 3: to separate, you know, actor from.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about as an actress. I have no idea
Speaker 2: what her opinions on the world are. I think as
Speaker 2: an actress she is just fucking dog shit. E teach
Speaker 2: their own m Joe said.
Speaker 3: And I actually get you, Jonathan with picking them shows apart.
Speaker 3: I do see advertisements like, hmm, your subtle tactics don't
Speaker 3: work on me, you dog cunts.
Speaker 2: God, I love it.
Speaker 3: He just tast every single time that you message, and
Speaker 3: he goes, yeah, nah, I can get stoned and watch shameless.
Speaker 3: My girlfriend got me into it. You just did well
Speaker 3: with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, shameless as a it's an awesome show. If
Speaker 2: you're like really feeling bad about yourself, you can watch
Speaker 2: an episode in that and be like, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm doing pretty fucking great. I'm alright, I'm all right.
Speaker 2: I could do I could be doing work. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: could be so much worse right now, and here I
Speaker 2: am just like doing doing the damn thing, you know.
Speaker 2: But then again, man, in the later seasons, they were
Speaker 2: going out of their way to make it as much
Speaker 2: of a liberal propaganda piece as they possibly could, which
Speaker 2: no one asked for.
Speaker 3: It's, by the way, the new season of The Boys
Speaker 3: did that too, which kind of did they? Yeah, the
Speaker 3: new season, like I say, new, it came out like
Speaker 3: I don't know, six seven months ago or something like that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, the Boys turn God dude, it got so
Speaker 3: fucking political. It was so obvious that it was political,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, man, why'd you have to turn such
Speaker 3: an awesome concept of a show into that?
Speaker 2: This is this is why, you know, I can't even
Speaker 2: tell you the last time I sat and watched this show.
Speaker 2: The only one I'm watching is South Park because their
Speaker 2: political bullshit is being done in satire to shit on everyone,
Speaker 2: and I like that. I'm here for that, you know, Yeah, Samuel,
Speaker 2: go ahead, sir.
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, another good movie is The Town.
Speaker 4: If y'all haven't seen that, how did I command it?
Speaker 3: Bat Fluck is in there, well, Batman, Daredevil, Yeah, both
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 4: Dougie, I think he's better dead Devil than he was
Speaker 4: a Batman.
Speaker 2: I think people I don't know.
Speaker 3: I thought he did a decent job as Batman, especially
Speaker 3: the the Snyder cut one, the Snyder cut of what's
Speaker 3: it called, We're All Justice? Yeah, the Snyder cut Justice
Speaker 3: League movie was the ship it was.
Speaker 4: So I didn't watch that one.
Speaker 2: Twilight Boys Batman, though, I mean I still like it. Yeah, No,
Speaker 2: I still like it. I thought it was.
Speaker 3: It's a different way of looking at These are different
Speaker 3: like versions of Batman. That's like, you know, like comparing
Speaker 3: Michael Keaton to George Clooney to you know, and all
Speaker 3: the different ones their own brand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say I think overall, Christian Bale probably
Speaker 2: did the best. Yeah, as far as that goes. But
Speaker 2: you know, that's that's open to debate as well, because
Speaker 2: I mean that was more of Michael Bay's ship too.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I thought it was great too.
Speaker 3: And and also I mean, uh, dude, the Penguin series
Speaker 3: that came out last year.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen its.
Speaker 3: God, it's so good. Yeah, yes, so good. Highly recommend.
Speaker 3: But anyway, Dougie, what are your thoughts there?
Speaker 10: I just want to say, it's not gay if you
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