Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to side Quest. This is our weekly
video game show here at gig Versus. I'm your host,
Del Muss, and I have with me the Queen of
co op herself, Jessica. Welcome back. How are you doing tonight?
Speaker 2: I'm good, Thanks for having me. It's been a hot minute.
Happy to be here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it was back in like November or
October or something like that. But yeah, we've been gaming
a lot, I guess, mostly clock Tower, which I don't
know if you consider that gaming or not. It's kind
of gaming adjacent, but it's.
Speaker 2: A online yeah, it's a video game.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then also we've be playing some other co
op games. You're always playing, you are the Queen of
co op, as your name would suggest. And then I've
also been playing Karen and High Guards. So we have
a lot of fun games to talk about today, and
we're just gonna get right into it. Let's start with well, okay, yeah,
let's see where. Let's start with co op Kaiju Horror Cooking,
which is a game that I think is intentionally supposed
to be kind of silly on the nose, maybe a
bit fourth walldy in terms of like the genre that
it's going after. This is a game from Strange Scaffold,
who are a studio that just like spam games, They
have like four or five games come out every year
pretty much, and they've done that consistently for the last
like three or four years. They just make things quick,
kind of dirty, you know, not necessarily the highest quality.
Every once in a while. I feel like once a
year they have like one big, like more quality thing,
and then the other stuff is kind of just a
janky mix of genres. But they never do the same
thing twice. It's a very like Meta company, very interesting,
the kind of not metas in like the Facebook company
making virtual reality games, but Meta is in like this
co op kaiju horror cooking, like just taking the genre
and you know, being self aware of what they're doing here.
So yeah, the premise of this game is geez, how
would you describe it?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: It's you and up to a few. You can technically
support up to four, but then they're like, oh, you
can do eight if you want, but just like is
not gonna run very well. They're like, it's like very
buggy if you do that. So I like that they're
very honest about that. It's you and your buddies. You
show up at this well, first you're in this town,
you're talking to people, you can get equipment and stuff
like that, and then you go to this cooking sequence.
You're kind of at the top of this mountain. You
can see off in the distance there's a kaiju slowly
walking towards the camp. So outside right here by this
camp there's you know, a bunch of cooking. There's a
cooking apparatuses, you know, cutting boards, stoves, that kind of thing,
and then next to that there's like a cave dungeon entrance,
and so it's kind of, you know, totally up to
you the way you want to divvy out your strategy.
The way we're doing it is like we usually had
one dedicated chef, so they'd be out there, they'd be
preparing the food, they'd be making sure that we're getting
the right ingredients, and then the rest of us would
just fly into the dungeon try not die. And we
eventually got a little bit better at it. But we've
played a few sessions of this, it's been a bit
since we have played it, but I really like this game.
I've had a lot of fun with it. Of Course,
the cave out again. It is extremely janky. But yeah,
what have you thought with Kaiju Cooking? Do you want
to get back in there or if you like had
your time with it at this point?
Speaker 2: That one was what we cost us, like five dollars.
Speaker 1: That's true vir cheap.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I got my five dollars worth.
I'm not gonna lie. It was not my you know,
top tier game that I've played recently. It was It
had its moments, It was fun, but it was I
don't know, it was very repetitive for me. I think
it was the main thing. Yeah, and also I was
playing with people I won't name any names cough Dylan
that wouldn't let me spam the cheat to get us
free money and automatically pass the level.
Speaker 1: A couple of times we didn't know. You can just
like one of the button sheets is just like unlocked
by default. You can just like hit F eleven or
whatever and like get the wind condition. Like you don't
even have to like enable in settings or like a
console command. It's so silly that they just allow you
to do that whenever you can, like accidentally just hit
this cheat button.
Speaker 2: It was great. The first level, like we passed and
we're like, oh, we get so much money, And I
was like, oh, guys, just so you know, I've found
this chet.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, it is fun and it has like, you know,
the these little nuances to it of like trying to
figure it out, but it's definitely janky.
Speaker 1: I died a lot.
Speaker 2: I died almost every time we entered that dungeon. So
it was good. Like if someone comes and pick ups
your body, takes you back outside, you can you know,
get brought back to life.
Speaker 1: But which we it took us a while to figure
that out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So and there is like the list too. You
have to be careful what you're grabbing, you know, sometimes
they like fruit or butter everything like that. But yeah,
it was fun, but it's I was not good at it,
let's be honest. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean even like the difficulty jump just even
from the first level and like the second one, just
the amount of enemies. How dangerous is like, yeah, the
dungeon is extremely savage. You don't have like great tools
to fight off enemies. And as you said, you're kind
of going through the dungeon trying to find the right food,
the right ingredients, and then also picking up like potions
or like weapons, torches, like that kind of basic stuff.
Some of it's like fighting monsters. Sometimes it's more just
like running past them, but they're so fast too, like
it's not very easy to just like kite them. And
you're in like very tight corridors as well. Sometimes you're
on like balance beams essentially, so if you take one
wrong turn, you just like fall right off into some
pit death pit below and then yeah, it's like you
don't have a lot of HP and it's kind of
hard to arrive people as well, So they really amp
up the difficulty like almost immediately too. Like even the
first level took us a few tries.
Speaker 2: And there is no like tutorial. It's basically like true,
you're just thrown into this dungeon. You run into a
mechanic and you don't know what it does. You basically
just have to walk into it and you're like, oh,
that's a bomb and it kills me. There was no
way to know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even like what some of the potions do, it's
like kind of unclear. You kind of just have to
take it and then through process of elimination figure out
what it does. But I feel like eventually we got
like we got into a good rhythm of it of like, okay,
we got to stick together. When we're in a dungeon,
we're gonna like clear out certain sections first, kind of
make almost shortcuts in a way by clearing out certain
pathways and figuring out what you're doing. But I think
that was even this thing too, is like you kind
of get used to the layouts of the levels and
there isn't like a ton of variety there either. So yeah,
definitely not you know, a game that you're gonna be
coming back to for months at a time. But yeah,
I think we probably got like a good four or
five hours out of it over two or three sessions.
And I'm not complaining too much. I had a good
time with it. And yeah, the silly part of I
think the I like how silly it is in general,
just how goofy your characters look you and like customize
their look. But then like the cooking part of it,
because I guess we haven't described this yet, is you're
doing your cooking, you do, you know, cooking things up,
putting some salt on it, chopping things on the cutting board,
mashing things up, and you put it in a catapult
you just dump food in this catapult and you just
launch the food into the kaiju's mouth because they're so
far away and they're like slowly walking to wards and
you have to feed them enough before they get to you.
But also, like the food that you're cooking is like
a regular sized meal, and so it's like this, how
could this even feed the kaiju? This is like, you know,
zero point zero zero one percent of its body, yet
it's enough to fill it up apparently, so very silly,
and I like the silly vibes of it, And like,
what was the singing you can do?
Speaker 2: Or you just like yeah, like if you like look up,
you sing higher pitch, if you look down, you sing
lower pitch. And that's everyone has to come and chant
in order to actually go and feed the kaiju. Right, Honestly,
it was probably my favorite part, just standing there chanting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I guess you'd use that to
like find your teammates and stuff, But I don't know
if we ever really did it for any utility other
than just like meming. It was mostly mostly just around with.
Speaker 2: Each other, ye percent, and yeah, lots of times like
you're standing there and you're like the who's not chanting,
who's not yelling? Because you know, I don't know it.
And there was some customization too. I don't know if
we really touched on that, like you can change how
you look and that too. Do you remember? Was that
anything worthwhile?
Speaker 1: Not really, it's I mean, your characters are always gonna
look goofy and and they all kind of look similar
no matter what, Like they're just kind of a funnily
like plump individual and usually putting like some funny facial hair,
like a haircut on them or something like yeah, haircut,
weird hats, things like that. But even like customize all
the colors, that was fun. It's like full gradient mode.
You can just make your characters look as uh, you know,
colorful as you want. So I liked it for what
it is, you know, it's it's a good enough time.
But another one that we played is you know, probably
the multiplayer co op game of last year, which was Peak,
and we haven't I've not played much. I think you
played more than me, so I'm curious to see what
that experience was like. But yeah, for anyone who forgets
Peak came out last year, another co op kind of silly,
janky co op game. I feel like this one's kind
of like the top quality of the bunch. It's kind
of the least janky out of these games. But you know,
part of this genre is that these games are supposed
to be a little bit silly and goofy, and especially
with like the characters, designs and all that. But this
one's very simple. You just climb climbing a mountain together.
But there's like a million obstacles and goofy things that
can happen between. But yeah, I think I saw on
Steam or Discord or something that you had played some more.
So what was that? Like did you go to the
next level or did you restart from the beginning? Like
what have you been doing in Peak?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So I mean every single time you seem to
start from the beginning from that same beach every single time,
and the first level is always that same mountain. So yeah,
I've played multiple different times with multiple different people. The
first beach mountain is always the same, and then every
time I've played, the second level has always been different.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's like keep it fresh, got it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I've played. Yeah, there was like the desert
when we played, and then there was like a mushroom
world and then like a poison mountain.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it was yeah, all of them kind of with
their own different challenges. It's honestly been one of my
like go to games when someone's like, oh, you know,
I want to play something, I've only got a bit
of time. I'm like, hey, like this is a great
game to just load up and try and run up
this mountain.
Speaker 1: Another super cheap game as well.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, yeah it would. It was like on sale
for like ten bucks something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was a free DALC expansion too, I think,
with like a new area or something.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and you know, shout out to the two
people that shot me in the ass with a blow
dart and made fall down a mountain and die.
Speaker 1: Who would do such a thing.
Speaker 2: I know the fact that if I had a nickel
for every time I was shot with a sleep dart
and peak, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot. Yeah,
but it sucks that it happens twice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you rub them together, maybe they'll breed
and turn into more. You never know what happens with
these nickels these.
Speaker 2: Days, right, I'll get on it. So yeah, but that
wouldn't I super fun. There's been a couple of different
things I've discovered, like since we've played, Like if you
read that book that you find at the top of
the mountain, you can actually turn into a skeleton. If
you get webbed up by spiders a bunch, like, you
can get a mummy like skin and then you're you
look like a mummy. Little fun things like that.
Speaker 1: Do those change mechanically or are they just like visual differences?
Speaker 2: The mummy is purely visual. The skeleton takes away your health.
Speaker 1: Uh so, and I don't like death or something like
if you take any damage, you.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, very much. Yeah, it was. It was rough.
Speaker 1: That's hardcore mode.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then I tried playing because I think when we
did it, we did like the normal where you have
to just there's no fog or anything. I don't know
if you remember that, but then there is, yeah, the
regular mode where there is like a fog that kind
of follows you up, so you do have to move
at a certain pace.
Speaker 1: Oh I see, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah exactly. So that was kind of a fun element.
The other people that I played with didn't want to
do like the local in game. Uh, like chat and
I actually, yeah, I really like playing the PROC chat
with you kind of gave it a fun element, especially
with the bugle and having to like listen for the
bugle to try find you. Yeah, so if people are
looking to check it out, I would definitely recommend trying
it with the Proximity Chat because it's just another fun element.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's kind of like I feel like
the the hidden secret about this genre in particular, and
it kind of makes you work together. But then also
it adds like a bit of an element where you
can like troll your friends by like disappearing or just
like not saying anything and pretending that you've disappeared and
then like yeah, pop out with like a saxophone or
something like that and just have some fun with it.
So I would definitely recommend the Proximity Chat too. And
I feel like in Peak, it's like it was so
janky and RV there yet, like we could not tell
if we were muted or not because the button is
just like very unclear and the game like doesn't have
as much feedback. But Peak was a lot more obvious
about whether or not you could you know you were
speaking and like being heard and stuff like that. So
maybe maybe that was just because it was a one
on one session too and we weren't getting distracted by
all sorts of things. But I definitely want to play
a lot more of this game. I have been meaning
to get back in there and play some more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely to play it again, and I think
it would be fun with more people. And you know,
even with the proximity chat trying to figure it out.
But because you do have to consider that the amount
that you can carry up is based on you know,
you need more people to be able to carry more
things to like spread the weight.
Speaker 1: Out right right, uh.
Speaker 2: And I also found out that there's like bingbong at
like the very base of the island, there's like this
little stuffy and apparently if you carry it all the
way to the top of the mountain you get an achievement.
So like, okay, I need to get back in there
for that achievement. If you are wanting to play.
Speaker 1: I do, I do. Yeah, I mean that was like
a fun part of it too. Is just like on
your in your backpack is where you keep all your stuff,
but you can't like reach your backpack necessarily. You have
to like get I think there's ways around it, but
you like have to pretty much get your teammate to
go in there for you and fish things out, And
so that just adds like another good reason to stick
together or and also like spread out the kinds of
items you have, or you could like have specialists. Like
I feel like there actually are like a lot of
strategies you could take, even though it doesn't seem like
a game that would have that kind of mechanical depth.
But there's so many weird items in that game, some
that I didn't really know what they would be useful for,
why you would want them, or even what they did
at all. And so I feel like that adds a
good amount of replayability to it as well, like just
trying different things each time you climb up the mountain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I did find out basically, Yeah, you have
to take the backpack off, set it on the ground,
and then pick your items right when I put it
back time. Yeah, And I mean I don't know if
you remember, but when you and me played, all that
would happen was I would take off my backpack to
go and look at it, and all of a sudden,
Dylan had filled it with multiple items and weighed me down,
and I was like, I didn't touch a single one
of these items. Where these come from?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean you added the cookies too, so I
had to get in there and get it, get my
snack in on and maybe maybe i'd drop something in
there while we're at it. But I feel, yeah, it
took us a while to realize. Well maybe it took
you a while to realize you had a lot more
going on in your backpack. I feel like we were
just like how was I able to climb this? And
you weren't, Like how did my stamina work? When we
both have full health And it just turns out that,
oh yeah, you had like a million more things than me.
But I think that was a cool thing too, like
based on like your health bar is like also your
stam in a bar, right, and like like the more
damage you take, like that takes away from your axima
staminat or like if you're hungry and stuff, that takes
away from your STAM. And I forget exactly how the
mechanic works, but I think it's cool. I mean a
lot of games have things like that where just putting
all of them kind of together makes it so you
have to keep track of your stats, and I feel like,
rather than separating all these different mechanics, I gotta make
sure I'm sleeping, got to make sure I'm eating, got
to make sure I'm like healing myself, just having it
all in one bar makes it, I don't know, even
even more meaningful. I guess all these things you want
to keep tiptop shape, but that gets harder and hard
as you go up and you're running a loan resources
and makes you want to take more risks of like
maybe I'll go for that present over there. It's a
little bit of my way. I don't know how much
time it's gonna take, but like maybe it'll have a
good item you need, and maybe it won't. Then you've
just wasted a bunch of time and energy. So I
feel like it has a lot of like good just
good little decisions in there along with it just being
like a janky friend co op game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so that was one thing too that I notice,
is you the beginning, like in that first mountain, you
might pick up antidotes and things like that, but there
wasn't really anywhere that you got poisoned. But depending on
what world you get the next time, like the one
time that I got the Poison World, had I been
smart enough to pick up and carry all of those
items with me, it would have been really useful. Right,
So there is you know, some like longevity and being
able to plan ahead about being able to hold those
items that yeah, they're weighing you down now, but I
might need them depending on what world I get next.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmmm yeah yeah really, uh, really fun game so far.
So yeah, I'm definitely when you played again with some friends,
how many people did you have in the in the party?
Speaker 2: It's just one on one for oh okay, okay, So
and don't forget to honorable mention. You get to play
chess in the beginning.
Speaker 1: Yes, that was very fun because it's like not it
is a regular chess board, but there aren't like uh
like ti the tiles are not mechanically in the game,
so you just have to pick up the pieces and
put them down and like the game does not check
like oh you can't move a piece there, that's not
a legal move, so like you just have to keep
keeping on them. But Jess, I remember as a as
a kid, do you remember that show that was like
Home renov it was like ty Pennington's Home Renovation. Did
you ever watch that show on TLC where they would
like take a family away from their home for a
couple of weeks and they'd like completely redecorate the house. Yes,
And I always, as a kid would just be fascinated
by the way they decorate the kids rooms, which are
like not you know, not actually like efficient, good kids rooms,
but they always had like a crazy theme that As
a kid, I was like, whoa, I wanted a bedroom
like that. And I remember one of them was like
a kid who had like a full, like human sized
chessboard in their room, and I was like, that is
the coolest thing ever. I'm gonna have one of those
one day. And like I probably won't because who's got
the time or money or space to have a kind
of thing like that. But I like, I like in
peak or in games, when it's just like here's just
a giant chessboard, it just makes it more fun for
some reason. So I really enjoyed that we had a
good game of chess there.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I lost shout out to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we didn't even really leave the airport
for like a half an hour at least like we
were just there was a climbing wall, we were playing chess,
we were just throwing things.
Speaker 2: They were the basketball who there.
Speaker 1: Basketball hoop you and like take selfies and whatnot, like
in the photo booth, Like there's just a lot of
things you can mess.
Speaker 2: Around with in there, and there was a lot of that.
There was a lot of really fun customization in the beginning,
even before you go and play and like earn anything.
Different eyes, different colors, yeah, different facial expressions. So yeah,
we we had a good time in that little room
even before we started.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Absolutely anything else on Peak specifically here.
Speaker 2: No, I'd recommend it. Yeah, that's my final thought.
Speaker 1: I guess we'll play more and we'll we'll report back
on it. But since we're talking about Peak, let me
roll that into another climbing game. So Cairn spelled c
ai R and just came out a couple of days ago.
It had like a demo a few months ago or
something like that, So I feel like it's it's been around,
it's been a couple of showcases. So I feel like
in terms of climbing games, this is kind of climb
It's like almost a bit more mainstream, more people like
have their eyes on it. And then it's a game
that's like this niche normally would So, yeah, this came out.
I've been playing it. I played over the weekend of
maybe like four or five hours in or something like that.
It's kind of a really trying to be a climbing
simulation game. It's trying to take the mechanics of like
actual rock climbing, physical rock climbing a lot more seriously
than other games, because you know, Peak or like Breath
of the Wild things like that have like a stamina
bar and you're like climbing over ledges and things like that.
But it's not really about, oh, where to exactly do
I put my hand or my foot to like climb
up this thing, right, It's more about managing your stamina
and position, like general position and whatnot. But it's not
as precise in that way. And then I played another
game a couple of years ago called Jussant, which was
a similar thing to Karen, and then it's like, hey,
you just got to climb this big ass mountain. You
just got to get up there. But I think that
one of the biggest downfalls for me Wich you saw
and I played the whole thing, so I still enjoyed it,
and I guess to get through it all is that
you don't use your feet at all, right, Like your
feet are like automatically moved as you're climbing up mountain.
It's more about like putting your hands in certain positions,
and so it feels like a step up from you know,
there's so many games where you can like climb climb ledges,
climb walls, but usually it's like, Okay, you can put
your hand on like the yellow things, right, but you're
not really actually putting them there. You're just kind of
pressing up or right or left, and your character vaguely
moves in that direction. So you just sound was like
a step up from those kind of games, and then
Karen is like, now another step up from those as well,
or from that game specifically, in that you know, there's
no like yellow painted objects on these walls here. There's
just a bunch of different rock features. There's like I
don't know, little tight little areas, little bars or things
like that, or just like bigger things that you're pressing into.
And yeah, the biggest thing for me is that you
control your feet as well, So it's it's one of
those games that, like you have a lot of control
over your character because you have all four limbs, and
I've switched to a control scheme where like the two
triggers and the two bumpers are just my like individual limbs.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: There is one of my annoyances with the game, and
maybe I just haven't figured this out yet or not
good enough at it yet. Is that like anytime you
you essentially press square with whatever limb you're gonna use,
and then you like start moving that limb and then
you press square to like you know, lock it into something,
and then the game kind of automatically picks like what
your next limb should be essentially, so it's like, oh,
you should probably move a leg here, move a hand here.
But like, since I and you are like climbers, like
I'm like, I know what limb I want to move here,
and I want to do every single movement on this.
I don't want you to automatically do anything, and so
sometimes I have to fight with it a bit to
be like, no, I want to move move my leg right, now,
let me move my leg without just immediately taking my
hand off. And now I have to like find a
new spot for that, So I think that I got
to get used to that. And there's like a bunch
of different control schemes you can use, and there's even
like easier ones where you don't have to worry about
your feet as much. But obviously I kind of want
like all of the levels of depth in there. But honestly,
it's it's it's definitely like the best climbing game I've
played in terms of like actually getting some of these
mechanics right. I definitely there's more things I want, Like
you can't really do any dynamic sort of moves, like
so you can't do like a jumping type thing. You
can't like do heel hooks or like toe hooks and
like fun things like that. Even just moving the foot
is a huge improvement over other climbing games, but there
are more things I would like to be able to do,
or certain things I'm like, man, I know how to
climb this, but I can't get my character to like
do it the way I would actually want to do it,
just certain things with like flagging and whatnot. But there
are still some of those mechanics in there, So I
think you would really like this game as you've been
getting hooked into climbing the last year or two here,
So I would definitely recommend it, I think even I mean,
it seems like a lot of non climber people I
really like, and it just has like a mechanical game
Like it's obviously just like really well designed in that
general gameplay, but then also it's got like kind of
survival things like you're trying to keep track of your
stamina and whatnot. Like if you're climbing one long rock face,
eventually your arms, especially if you're like in a bad position,
your arms will start to like tire out, and so
you can like shake them. There's literally button to just
shake your arms out. There's a button like chalk up,
which like helps you climb for a bit longer. But
a big part of it is like trying to find
a good place to rest on the wall, too, which
is like that's a really cool mechanic. I like that
that's in there because that's a very true to climbing
kind of thing. Get the pump out of your arms,
and then you know there's like food and like health
and like all sorts of other items. A big part
of it is like you know, it's not just bouldering.
It's obviously you got to put pittons in the wall
and stuff like that so that you can lock into
your rope so you don't you know, if you fall,
you don't just immediately die, although they do have a
free solo mode so you can try and beat the
whole game without uh, I guess, without falling and dying once,
which would not be good and I would have died
multiple times by now, so I'm not doing that on
my first play through, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask if there was a free solo mode,
so yeah, But that does kind of lead into the
other part is how is it decided then if there's
no yellow if I try and grab something that is
very obviously ungrabbable, will the game still find a way
or will it like if I'm trying to grab here,
it'll auto shift to the right and then like grab
it or how does that mechanic?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, no auto shifting. I mean, I think
one of the coolest things about it is you can
get into like a like picture like the chimney right
at Nice where it's just like a U shaped wall essentially,
like you can climb that kind of thing by just
pressing your like your arms and legs and there's no
holes at all, but you're just like applying the pressure
pressing against the walls and you can like scale up
that way, so it it it's like really precise. And
sometimes you'll just put a hand or it's not even
a hold on anything. It's like just pressed against the
wall or just like to balance out your weight a
little bit. Often that will happen with your feet too,
where like technically your toes on the wall, but it's
not really doing anything, like if you let go with
your other foot, you'll just like slip right off, like
it's not holding onto anything. I mean. There's also like
different surfaces as well. It seems like which I'm still
kind of picking up on, but like, oh yeah, this
kind of rock, if it has this little rubbish whatever
on it, you kind of like slip like right off
of it really easily. But for the most part, I'd
say it's pretty clear, like what are it almost is
like true to climbing in that sense. It's like, Okay,
I can tell this is like a jug. This is
a good hold my character, even if I have no
feet on, like they'll be able to just like hold
this here, and then you can tell like just the
positioning and how like how much what the angle of
the wall is like whether you'll be able to hold
onto it or not. And I mean, I'm I even
though I do climb and understand a lot of like
the physics of climbing, I'm still getting rocked in certain
in certain situations intended there, I guess of man, there
is some really really tricky situations where it's like I
don't I don't know. Because there's a button you can
use to like zoom out and just like look at
the big rock face and you can like really walk around,
like there's definitely multiple ways you could get up any
one situation. But even then, like I'll zoom out and
I'll look around for like a minute or two, and
I'm like, man, I don't even know. I don't know
what the easiest or best way to go about this is.
I feel like, no matter what, it's gonna get a
bit dicey. So usually it's like, Okay, I'm gonna try
and get to this spot up here, and then I'm
gonna hook into the wall, and then I can try
a couple of things because then if I fall from there, well,
now just fall back to my safety spot and then
I can go from there. And so I feel like
there is some fun like strategy of that too, and
a little bit of resource management, not a ton of that.
This is also like Peak. Actually you have a backpack.
The backpack and this is very cute because rather than
it being like, oh, you have six slots and you
click them into the slots, it's just like a bunch
of things like sitting in a backpack and they kind
of like fall with gravity and you like shake up
your backpack and they'll all like move around like a
gumball machine kind of thing as they like fall back
into place, and then you can like try you I'll
be picking up trash on the mountain and recycling it
to just get rid of the garbage that people have
left behind the other climbers who have tried to climb
this mountain before. So there's there's other good little mechanics
in there too, and like you can set up camp,
try and sleep. You can make a make a tee
which might like power you up and give you like
a temporary boost kind of like in that Peak way
of like what it was, it like the you have,
like the lollipop or something. Yeah, like the things that
just give you, like the temporary like megaboosts. But I
was telling you this that the game's tutorial area starts
you in a climbing gym and it just makes you
do three basic climbs, like three very basic ladders pretty much,
and that's the tutorial. But then there's like a bunch.
There's like maybe I think ten or fifteen like actual
full problems in there, and they get up to like
pretty difficult ones. And yeah, I spent like a good
hour hour and a half getting everything in there because
I'm like, I want to climb every single problem in
this gym before I move onto the mountain. And then
I love that it's not even really contextualized in a
logical way. You literally just climb out of a rock
face and then you're like at the base of a mountain.
So I don't know where this climbing gym is. It's
a really random spot. It doesn't feel like a real world.
But yeah, I spend a lot of time in the
climbing gym too, and that was fun because the holes
are much more clear obviously where exactly everything is, Whereas
when you're actually out on the mountain itself, there's a
ton of more variety in terms of the way you're
gonna go or in the climate. You know, obviously it's
like okay, well I have to use these exact holes
to get to the top. So yeah, I'm really enjoying
this game. I'm definitely gonna probably see the whole thing through.
I don't know what kind of replayability it has. Obviously,
like I said, you can kind of go up different routes,
and there's the free solo mode and other things like
that in different control schemes you could try out. But
I don't know how much I'll get into all that stuff,
but at least for one play through, it's a really
good time. And like like I said, the best climbing
game I've played, just in terms of the mechanics of climbing.
Have some shortcomings, but like I you know, I can't
point to a game that does this stuff better than
this game. So that's pretty impressive thing to do in
twenty twenty six. And I've played hundreds of games in
my life, So shout outs to Cairn. Do you think
you'll check this one out? Considering that you are a
climber as.
Speaker 2: Well, so I guess too of questions before before I
make that decision. One, do you remember what the cost
of it was? Because I actually haven't looked.
Speaker 1: Yet forty bones, so it's not extremely cheap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Yeah. And then the second piece of that
is is there really anything else to it? Like I
climb up to the top of the mountain, or like,
is there anything there? Like do I find a magical
summoning of a witch or something? Like? What is the
Is there anything else besides climbing in this game?
Speaker 1: Short answer probably no, Let's see what else is? I mean,
as you're climbing up, you're getting to different like trail
markers and like signs and things like that, so you
can like read about different stuff, and there's like lower
The story essentially of this game is that this mountain
that you're climbing is an inclimbable mountain. No one has
ever summited this mountain, and as I've already found a
couple bodies on this thing, climbers who fell and had
no one with them whatever it is. But yeah, I
don't know, like what's uh at the top at the
or other things like that. I mean I think you're
really there for the mechanics of climbing I have seen.
I remember one of the trailers there's like ice picks,
so is at some point you're doing that kind of
climbing too. So I'm guessing the styles will switch up
as you're going through it as well. But so I
guess there's like a little bit of variety here and there.
But I don't know. I think I'm maybe too early
on to answer that question fully. But truly like you're
playing this game to get a cool rock climbing stam
So if that's not exactly what you want for forty bucks,
then yeah, probably just just wait at this point in time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I probably won't for forty dollars.
But I also feel like if you wanted to stream
it one day, I would sit and watch.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a good idea, Like that's.
Speaker 2: My level of investment. Like I'm interested, but not forty
dollars interested.
Speaker 1: I do feel like this is a game that I
want to show all my rock climber friends. I just
want them to like sit down the couch and watch
for half an hour and just and you know, marvel
at how cool cool this game is and how well
it achieves the thing that we love doing.
Speaker 2: Can you like have multiple save files?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I assume.
Speaker 2: So I would really like to see you in the
climbing gym and discuss the grading, like the V level
of like the starting routes.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about doing a video about that. There
is a guy that does videos like that, like he
graded all the problems in peak, like on that, on that,
that that one warm up woll which is a very
funny video. I forget his it's like Nicholas or Nikolay
or something like that, but anyway, he has a fun
He's making cool funny YouTube gaming, climbing video crossover stuff.
So I'm sure he'll make a video on Karen where
he discusses all the ones in that gym. So I'll
I'm not gonna, you know, encroach on his decree. I
guarantee you he's making that video. So I'll let him
do that and I'll send you the link when it's done. Yeah,
he's got a good style. But yeah, I I definitely
was thinking about that. Because they do they don't give
them a V rate and they just like called them
one through nine or ten or however many there are
in there, Uh, but I don't think that correlates to
the v grading of it. Someone are pretty crazy though,
like some of them, like I don't, I don't know
if this is possible. This one's actually kind of nuts.
But within the mechanics of the game, it's possible.
Speaker 2: Obviously within the one to ten you as a climber personally,
what level would you have completed?
Speaker 1: Oh, that's that's a really good question. Oh, it's interesting
so many of the like, there aren't really holds that
look like a jug in this game, because like you know,
whether it's just like a piece of rock sticking out
of the wall like a bulge versus like it actually
being a jug, like wouldn't really make any difference mechanically
for like this game in particular, So most of the
climbs in that gym were like essentially big pinches, And
that's that's my weakness for sure. So if they if
the if what looks like it should be a jug
actually was a jug in real life, I feel like
that would change one of some of the things I'd
be able to do. But lot it was a lot
of pinches, and that is definitely you'd get insanely good
at pinches if this is the climbing gene that you
climbed at regularly. But there was a couple of slab
ones in there, and you know, I like some slab
but one of the slabs like this, No, your mortal
could do this, This would be impossible. But then also,
like I said, you can't there there's no way to
at least as far as I can know, Like you
can run and jump over a gap like on the
ground when you're not climbing, but there is not a
way to do like a dynamic jump, And so I
feel like that would make some of these problems actually
more doable. Just you can't do that as the character
in this game. You can't just like jump past holds,
but I could as a human being. So I think
maybe some of the harder ones I could choose them.
I could break the beta a little bit because I
am capable of jumping because I'm a human.
Speaker 2: Are you longer than your character?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: This is really off, like off topic, but like I
just thinking about like the reaching. Yeah, the character my
reach or is the character your reach?
Speaker 1: I mean, the character is a woman who you know
just generally are shorter and have less wing spend than men,
So I don't know just by raw raw physics on that,
and then I probably I probably have a bit more reach.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so you're definitely like doing the but's roads
a little faster.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's ridiculously though. She's a lot stronger than me.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she's She's got the like the pinches.
Speaker 1: Mastered so exactly. I mean, she can pinch on something
that doesn't even exist, you know, she can do crazy
crazy stuff. I mean one of the things in the
climbing gym is is a literally just like a chimney
where there are any holes to start, so you just
have to scramble up. I've never tried doing that like
in that same method, So I don't know how that
you know that. It's like a thing in like movies
when they're climbing up a chimney or something like that,
or an air duct or something, you're pushing your back
into the wall. You actually you do that in a
game that you might be talking about in a bit here. Actually,
so funny enough, we'll come back to climbing up chimneys
by pressing your back into a wall. But yeah, I
don't know. I I've never tried something like that, so
I don't know if I'd be able to do that
one in particular, but yeah, there was definitely like that one.
I was trying to do a particular mantle move that
just was not seemingly like being possible with the physics
of the game. But I'm like, oh, if I was
a human being, I could I could do that move.
I could do that in a way that this character
this character could not. But I will say, like the
one of the other things I really like about too
is like if you have your hand somewhere, your hand
is locked, it'll stay there until you press that hand
button and like move it again to somewhere else. But
your feet, it like it does a good job of
like if you're pulling or like pressing up through a thing,
it doesn't just like you don't have to like let go.
We don't have to click a button to lego of
your foot, Like your foot will just naturally let go
as you're reaching up to climb for that next hole.
So it does a good job of like giving you
the control of your feet but not making you glued
to the wall with them and just making the game
like tedious because you know, there's a lot of games
like this that give you a ton of control over
your character, but they're like intentionally very janky and like
it's you can't master it, like Quop or like Baby
Steps that came out a couple months ago. This game
is not that. It's not trying to be a rage
game with like janky controls that like is bothersome because
like in theory the way this is buttons are set up,
it should be like that game I Am Bread. Do
you remember that game where you literally play as a
piece of bread and like each you don't, but it's
a great game. It's a great game where each corner
of the slice of bread that you are is like
a button and then you can so to like move
you would like maybe grab on with the two triggers
on one side of the bread and like flip the
bread over, and then you lock on the other two
sides flip the bread over. And it's like that game
never feels great to move around in. But like intentionally,
so it's a game about you playing to a piece
of bread. It's supposed to be yanky as heck, right,
but this is this game is not trying to do
that kind of level of jank. It's trying to give
you control without being annoying about it. So I feel
like it's a pretty solid time. So there you go.
That's Karen. I mean, I'll get my money's worth out
of because I'm a climber for sure. Results may vary
for you, the listener, depending on how into this kind
of stuff you are, But like I said, probably the
best climbing game I've ever played, and that's an impressive feat.
So shout outs to the team over there, making Karen
curious to see what they do next. I hope they
just keep making cool games like this and keep making
the mechanics inch by inch better between games and things
like that. I would love if there's a team just
dedicated to making cool rock climbing games. That would be awesome.
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let's go out of my order THAT i had here
because the leading of EVENTS i think works well. Here
so you've been PLAYING A Way, out which is for
anyone who forgets this is the game From Hayes light
before it takes, two and you know obviously is split.
Fiction it takes two before. THAT A Way out was
their game before, that which is about you and a
buddy who are breaking out of prison together and then
you go on this journey. Together is this your first
time playing this?
Speaker 2: Game it was my first time playing this, game AND
i went into it with no. INFORMATION i actually didn't
even know until just now that it was the same
studios It takes. Two so show how much RESEARCH i.
Speaker 1: Did well as a big fan Of It takes two
and split. Fiction how was it going back to their
kind of the first one of this trilogy of games
that they've been.
Speaker 2: Making, YEAH i had a lot of fun with. It
so the reason THAT i downloaded it WHEN i was
looking at it was because they said that there was
a lot of different like mini games and competitive things
that you could find within it to be able, to
like the storyline was ONLY x many, hours but you
could extend how, long you, Know the playability of the
game went by being competitive with all these little side
pieces of. It so, yeah there's different things like you
can find connect for there's like a playing the piano
and trying to like hit notes kind of like Like
Guitar hero. Style there's, darts there's shooting, basketballs there's balancing.
Wheelchairs there's like tons of these little mini. Games so for,
ME i really like that aspect of. IT i had
a lot of fun the like the story and the
different like elements wasn't necessarily like engaging might not be
the right, word but it's not as like colorful as
like it takes two for, sure because it is just
based on this prison. Break but the person THAT i
played with wasn't as competitive as, me so we would
like play like one time someone would win or, lose
and then they would walk away AND i was, like oh,
no LIKE i wanted to just like sit, there. UNTELL
i won. Everything, yes didn't end up working that, way
but it was a really fun. Game it was a
lot of different things that you could interact with different.
People you could talk to and see how they would respond,
back like it gave you the option, to, like you,
know one way or the. Other and, honestly the ending
of the game was super unexpected and there are three
different like endings that you can earn or win however
you want to call. That so it was fun to
be able to see kind of which one we were
able to. Get BUT i, know, yeah as you were, saying,
like there is kind of that working. Together one piece
of it is you are back to back and you
have to time climbing up that chimney. Together, yeah so
lots of kind of communication about making sure that you're
working together in that, way and it is something else
that's really cool about it is you are side by,
side so you same as split, fiction and it takes
Too you can see the other person's screen and what they're,
seeing and depending on whose storyline is kind of more
important at the, time it'll actually shift the size of each,
screen so one person might end up getting like sixty six,
percent so you kind of know to be able to
focus on like what's happening on the other person's side
or your. Side, yeah, HONESTLY i would play it again
just for kind of like IF i had never played,
It i'd want to play it again just for kind
of the. Ending it really the ending was. Great it
really was not, expected and that to me was probably
like the cherry on top of this.
Speaker 1: Game i'd be down to play it again BECAUSE i
would be down be competitive with those mini, games so
we could pretty much have like A mario party session
of just like playing all these different mini games at each.
Speaker 2: OTHER i am so. Yeah for, me that's the fun
of it is, like, oh you, know how many notes
were you able to hit on that piano? Right or
the balancing the wheelchair was a good one. TOO i
really had fun with. THAT i Lost connect, FOUR i
think three. GAMES i think not good To connect.
Speaker 1: Four, apparently But i'm really bad At connect four as,
well so maybe we could both get better at.
Speaker 2: It, yeah when did you play?
Speaker 1: THIS i played it when it came. Out ACTUALLY i
played it With, amber and you, KNOW i think we
both were, LIKE i don't, know maybe it's gotten better,
too BUT i remember it being really janky and buggy
when we played it when it first came. Out so
did you feel like it was a jankie or buggy
game when you played it? Now BECAUSE i feel like
over the years maybe it's gotten like some good patches or.
SOMETHING i, mean.
Speaker 2: It wasn't too. Bad like there's some level of jank to,
it for, sure like someone's coming and you have to
stop what you're doing to not get caught in the,
prison and you're very obviously caught or not. Caught but
it's kind of janky and how it. Decides BUT i
didn't found that it super took away from.
Speaker 1: It yeah that's. Good, YEAH i mean maybe they've cleaned
up some of that stuff in. Passings it's been a
long time since it came, Out but one MEMORY i
have of like the extreme jank was at one, point
there's a very minor thing that's happening where one character
is like push open a gate or, something and you
like to slowly push the stick to like open the.
Gate does this sound familiar to you or is this
like such a small little detail do you even remember
What i'm talking?
Speaker 2: ABOUT i, Honestly i'm not. Sure i'm waiting to see
if something else happens in this, story BECAUSE.
Speaker 1: I, mean remember that's that is all you're. Doing you're
pushing this. Gate one person's pushing the. Gate maybe a
person sneaks. Through BUT i remember that like if you
just didn't let go of the, button your character would
like keep pushing this gate and eventually the gate would
start clipping through the fence and it would go in
like a full hundred and three hundred and sixty degree,
Angle like you could just endlessly push this gate and
then you could like go backwards with. It and it
was like very slowly, pushing and we were just clipping through,
walls AND i just distinctly, remember Like amber's, laugh my
our laughter, together just like, dying and how stupid this
thing was and how little of a detail. Was but
it was just killing. Us AND i feel like there
was a couple of moments like that of just like
really silly things happening that were clearly not like, intentional
but made for a great. Experience SO i feel LIKE
i came away with it not being like not thinking
this was a great, game but it was a really
fun time playing it together in the way that like
these other games like co Op kied You horror. Cooking
a lot of issues with that, game for, sure, right
and you can point out a lot of them because
the are like really, obvious, buggy glitchy, things but it's
still a great. Time it's, like how do you how
do you weigh? That, LIKE i guess, WHAT i have
more or less fun playing this game than like another
co op, Game, Right it's always tricky when you're playing
a game with one of your best, friends you obviously
just go like have a good, time even if the
game's not. Great but since, THEN i mean that's prompted
us to want to play it takes two and split
fiction and check out the rest of these. Games So
i've always liked what they're, doing and it's just it's
cool to have a dedicated co op studio at this,
point who are making like really quality? Games so, yeah
where is it in your in Your hazeley? Ranking give
me out of the three games where what one's, best what's,
middle what's? Bottom?
Speaker 2: Uh Split fiction is definitely still number. One absolutely Love Split.
FICTION i had so much fun playing. It i'd probably
put this over it takes.
Speaker 1: Two, OKAY i.
Speaker 2: Had a lot of fun with, it AND i honestly
it was just kind of the ending for, me LIKE
i didn't expect. IT a lot of jokes have come
from that. Ending, Okay i'm not gonna. LIE i have
no idea when this came. Out AM i allowed to
spoil the?
Speaker 1: Ending?
Speaker 2: Like has it been long enough twenty?
Speaker 1: SEVENTEEN i don't remember the, ending SO i would love
if you spoiled it for, me and it reminded. Me.
Speaker 2: Yeah so, basically, yeah you're working together to try and
bust out of this prison and then at the end
it turns out that one of them is actually an undercover, cop,
right and so, yeah so after spending all this time working,
together it's now become a joke about you, know, like
well you're a trader and that's kind of never gone
away since we played this. Game the jokes about me
being a trader have continued.
Speaker 1: On, yes got? It got? It so Does Well i'm
curious where does? This what is like the different? Endings
have you looked up what the different ending endings?
Speaker 2: Are, yeah so it's basically depends on who. Wins so,
like If leo, wins he gets his own. Ending If vincent,
Wins vincent gets an.
Speaker 1: ENDING i think he refused to.
Speaker 2: Fight like there's a big battle like, afterwards like basically
you're trying to kill your co op. Partner you spent
all this time working, together and then it's whoever kills
the other person wins and then they get the they
win the. Ending. Right so WHEN i played, it BECAUSE
i ended up playing the character that was the, TRADER
i like didn't fight. BACK i was, like you can
just have to, win Like i'm, Sorry i've betrayed you
and just like let them kill. Me and it's multiple.
Scenes there's like three or four different sequences for you
to try and. Win. Yeah so then but then the
hidden ending is if no one fights back and you
it goes on long enough that no one dies that
you get like an alternative, secret.
Speaker 1: Right are kind of the three got?
Speaker 2: It but, yeah for, me that was like it was
just such a surprise because we spend so much time
thinking we're buddies and then all of a sudden it's
like you son of a you. Know, yeah there was
DEFINITELY i you, know not a ton of replayability besides,
THAT i guess compared to like it takes, two BUT
i don't remember liking kind of the story and the
fun of it takes to the.
Speaker 1: Same, yeah BECAUSE i feel like from my memory a
way out is it's because you know so many sections
in split, fiction or it takes TOO i find their
game names really hard to remember for some. Reason you,
know there's a lot of sequences where it's like if
your player one you do this, sequence player two you
are this sequence or this character of different move set and.
Stuff a, way it's kind of different in, that, right
like you can like choose, like, OH i want to
go do this, PART i want to go do this.
Part AM i wrong or right about?
Speaker 2: That Uh so it's kind of. Different it kind of
just depends, who LIKE i, guess picks things. Up like
if they're like if one person picks up the, gun
then they get to do this. Sequence if someone else
picks up you, know whatever other thing they're doing something,
else you both kind of get free rome. Around so
it say you have to speak to one person. Specifically
if someone gets there, first then they're the one that
interacts with.
Speaker 1: Them, yeah got.
Speaker 2: It so, yeah it's definitely AND i didn't find like
WHEN i Played it takes. Two WHEN i think about,
it you, know there's a lot of times where you
might like complete a jumping sequence and then if the
other person can't complete, it like you're just sitting there
waiting for. THEM i don't remember having those same moments
in this game Where i'm like sitting there waiting for
someone to be able to catch up or finish whatever
task it, is which was. Nice both characters are paced very.
Evenly it doesn't necessarily matter about skill.
Speaker 1: Level, yeah got, it that makes. Sense yeah, yeah uh,
Way oh, yeah, cool cool. Game it's one THAT i
kind of forget about BECAUSE i feel like it takes
too still gets talked about a lot and split. Fiction
obviously it's still pretty, fresh BUT i feel LIKE A
Way out is like a forgotten when a lot of
people didn't play that back in the. Day BUT i
feel Like It Takes two is so. Big it was
like A game of The, year winner of The Game,
awards which is, crazy and so many things like, That
like everyone's kind of played it, Now AND i, think
does like Split fiction have the or, sorry god damn these.
Names does A Way out have the friend pass thing
and the way these other ones? Do or did you
guys both have?
Speaker 2: IT i don't think it. DID i think, we okay
both bought.
Speaker 1: It that SOUNDS i, mean it was.
Speaker 2: Cheap i'm pretty sure that makes.
Speaker 1: Sense it's pretty old at this, point BUT i feel
like that's another reason why so many people have PLAYED
A Way out and Split fiction is just fucking got
my feel of. Play it takes. Two it's it's flip
fiction that has a good. NAME i can remember THAT
A Way out it takes. TWO i don't know what
it is about those two goddamn, names BUT i can't
separate them in my. Mind but obviously the friend passed
those makes them so much more. Accessible and they also
just sold like a huge, amount which is, impressive and
considering that a lot of people who play it don't
even need to buy, it so they just you don't
have that many more players to. It but, yeah SO
i don't, know MAYBE i forget if they had that
back in the day for a way.
Speaker 2: Out, YEAH i don't think it does. NOW i think
we both had to buy, it BUT i think it was.
CHEAP i think it was only like twenty bucks or thirty.
Bucks and for the you, know one or two, nights
three nights that it took us to get through, it
it was it was worth. IT i had fun with.
It and you, know, it's like you, said it's one
of those games where you just kind of make jokes
about it. Too. Yeah like we just joked about the
sexual tension between the two characters the entire, Time so you,
know things like that just make it enjoyable despite the.
Drink m.
Speaker 1: Hm and it sounds like neither of you saw the
ending to it. Coming, no that's, good so did?
Speaker 2: You you don't even remember the end Of you probably
don't remember if you saw it coming or.
Speaker 1: NOT i don't. Remember IF i knew that it was.
Coming i'd never do in any movie. Whatever i'm not
a plot twist. Detector that is not one of my.
Speaker 2: Skills, WELL i shouldn't have spoiled. It we could have
played it again AND i could have made you the
guy that betrays.
Speaker 1: Me, YEAH i wonder if it would have come back
AS i was halfway, Through i'm, like, oh, YEAH i
remember where this is, going just like the way deliver
certain lines or.
Speaker 2: Something but, YEAH i wonder if there's a way to
just play the mini games that there. Is i'm down
to mini game it up with. You.
Speaker 1: Yeah, YEAH i forget WHERE i even played. IT i
don't even know what console. Peak maybe it WAS, PC
i can't. REMEMBER i don't know WHERE i have. It
but we'll take a. Look we'll take a look at.
That we gotta Play peak. Though peaks higher priority for
me over revisiting a way.
Speaker 2: Out i'm. Down, yeah we can get a couple of people,
together all the, games all the.
Speaker 1: Games, uh there you, go there's a way. Out just
let me tell you a little bit about a game
Called High, guard which you probably don't care much, about
but you know, what you hear me, anyway because this
game is the talk of the, town it's good time
to talk about. It so YOU i don't think you've
heard of this, game, right you don't even know what it.
Speaker 2: Is, NO i think when we were talking before the,
CAST i called it by the wrong, name even.
Speaker 1: Called It Highlight. Islands that's better than a high life
that sounds like a gym or, something or like a. Dispensary,
anyway the game is Called The High. Guard so this
is a game that came out of, nowhere but it
was at the announced that the game, awards uh kind
of controversially so because it got the it got that
final trailer, spot the big juicy spot you, know for
the game. Wards it's like whatever game trailer opens the
show when everyone closes, it those are, Like Jeff, keeley you,
know make sure those are like the, juiciest biggest trailers.
Around and everyone was, like High, guard what is this
from a new? Studio no one's heard of the. Studio
it's like PREVIOUS i Think Apex legends. Developers but it looked,
like you, know kind of like an overwatchy kind of,
thing kind of like An Apex, legends which is like
all sorts of. These AND i think people were particularly
harsh on it Because concord came out last year or
a couple of years, ago whatever it, was which was
a very similar looking, game and that game came out
and just completely bombed and was a huge, failure and
Then PlayStation had to refund everyone for. It because they
shut the game down in like two weeks and everyone's,
like Here's concord two point, zero like that's What High guard.
Is and then it and all this stuff spirit stuff
has been coming out since, then of, like, oh like
these developers didn't need like pay to have this as
the final, Slot Like Jeff keeley was, Like, OH i
just think this is, cool we should put it, there
which everyone's, like sounds something fishy about. That and then even,
then like you, know game, wards we cover. That we
talked about all these things on the, podcast and even
THOUGH i watched that showcase and talked about the, PODCAST
i did not realize in all that conversation that they
announced this game In december and it came out a week,
ago like it came out In. January it's, like, wow
that's a really quick turnaround from announcement to release. Date
and SO i feel like that part of the marketing
just totally passed over me that this game's coming out so.
Soon i've played it because it's free to so you
can jump in there for zero. Dollars of, course a you,
login there's like a million micro transaction things you can
do to get skins and, costumes and. Whatever but, yeah
the game finally came out somewhat, CONTROVERSIAL i. GUESS i,
mean so much of it is weird because the game
came out within an, hour had like overwhelming the negative
reviews On steam from like tons and tons of. People
but it's like the game has been over an, Hour
like how how are you reviewing a game that you
have barely even? Touched, LIKE i don't like that gives
you enough time to play like one or two rounds
of this. Thing SO i don't know who these people
are that are going to leave A steam review on
a thing that they've like barely touched at. All SO
i feel like a lot of it is kind of
people just dog piloting on this, game like wanting it
to be bad and like trying to trying to will
that into. Existence BUT i don't. Know there's also people
who play a lot of these games in this, genre
and so maybe they're better. Tells but for, Me i've
played a few games And i've had a good time with.
It i'm enjoying, it and, Yeah i'm, Like i'm definitely
not the. Expert Like i've played Some, APEX i played
a Lot overwatch back in the, day but LIKE i
didn't Play, CONCORD i don't play a lot of things
in this, genre so it's a bit out of left
field for. Me BUT i guess just to describe what
the game actually, IS i was.
Speaker 2: Getting to, THAT i was, Like i'm, LIKE i need
more information, HERE i got pictures Off. GOOGLE i need, More.
Speaker 1: YES i. WAS i was just giving you the context
of how we get to the release of this. Game
but here we. Go it's It's High. Guard it is
a team based hero. SHOOTER i guess you could call.
It that'd probably be a good way to go about.
It it's it's, interesting it's pulling from a lot of different,
Things like at times it feels like a bit of
A Battle, royale even though it's like a much smaller.
Scale at times it feels almost a little bit like Of,
StarCraft because you're like smashing gems and like getting resources
and like buying things at a. Shop you're kind of
securing your. Base so the way it starts out is,
you you and your. TEAM i think the default is,
three so it's a three on three on like pretty big.
Maps but then also there's a five y five mode
that you can do as, well So i've played a
little bit of both of. Those you start, out you're
in like this giant, bubble which is your. Base it's
like a you, know an energy shield like about around your,
base and in the first like minute or, so everyone's
kind of running. Around you can secure, walls so like
all the walls around your base are like fully. Destructible
you can just like shoot through, them bomb, them use
abilities to destroy them kind of in like in a
battlefieldy sort of. Way but, yeah the first part is
you're kind of kind of deciding which places you want
to lock. Down maybe this, building because you know an
enemy team if they get here, later that's kind of
where one of the main like you've got to plant
bombs and enemy bases kind of. Things so it's, like,
Okay i'm want to secure this, building secure this. Passageway
so you start. Out you do that for about a,
minute maybe you're gathering, resources start building up a bit of,
currency and then eventually you can leave your bubble base
and you can go around the. Map you can go collect.
Things as you're finding boxes in the, world so you
open those. Up maybe you'll find, weapons maybe you'll find,
ammo maybe you'll find a saddle maybe you'll find this
or that or the other. Thing. Resources you're going Around,
StarCraft you smashing gyms to like get. Resources then you
can go to shops you can buy. Stuff you do
this for a few. Minutes at some point during that,
sequence you might encounter enemies who are cruising around the
map as, well and so you can fight. Them if you,
die respond back at your, base and then you go
back out in the world finding. Things one of the
main things in this, section, though and what says this
game apart from other games in the, genre is that
you have mounts in this, game so you can just
cruise around on like a horse OR i was using
a bear Because i'm, like of COURSE i want to
use a. BEAR i think a panther is one of.
Them different things like, That so you can kind of
cruise around pretty. Quickly if your bear whatever gets gunned,
down they're like knocked out for like ten, seconds and
you can like respawn them, Again so you can cruise
around that pretty, quickly, Right and each one of these
has like different pros and cons to. Them and then,
eventually after maybe three or four minutes or something like,
that then this giant sword or not really a giant,
sword but it's a special sword called like THE i
think it's called like a shield breaker or something like
that is going to spawn. SOMEWHERE i think it's randomly
somewhere on the, map and there's like kind of like
a thirty second heads. Up it's almost like A halo power.
Weapon it's like on in thirty, seconds the rocket launcher
is gonna spawn right. Here so then everyone starts to
kind of set up around this, thing get ready to grab,
it and then it turns in almost like a capture of the.
Flag you want to keep the. Sword if you get gun,
down you drop the sword and the enemy team can
pick it, up or you could LIKE i think you
can maybe drop it and your teammate could go pick it.
Up and then at that, point after you grab a,
sword you're gonna go to the enemy, base and if
you can get the sword to the enemy, base like
their big bubble shield thing THAT i was talking, about
if you can stab it into the wall, there then
you'll start the siege on the enemy. Team and so
that's kind of the main like early part of the
game is like the, skirmishes someone gets the, sword you
take it to the enemy base and then whenever team
does that, first they'll be the first ones like on the.
Attack so now you're you're gonna start penetrating that like
bubble shield. Wall they're all gonna be back in the.
Base they're gonna be fortifying, stuff getting ready for your.
Onslaught and then you and your team are like smashing
through the walls trying to get in. There and then
you're trying to like plant, bombs destroy, walls destroy the
main base kind of in like in a mobile like
A league of legendsy sort of. Way like it almost
it really is like blending a bunch of genres in
an interesting. Way and then you, know if you're, successful
the game will just end because you've destroyed the enemy.
Base good. Job but if the enemy is able to
hold you, off then eventually they can like fight. Back
you'll kind of lose the, siege and then you'll kind
of reset to a neutral. Position maybe you took out
some of their score overall of their base, health and
then eventually the stort wal, respawn you can go back
at it again and kind of the game goes back
and forth in this sort of. WAY i don't know
a game can probably it could probably be over in
like ten, minutes BUT i feel like most of them
end up being like maybe twenty twenty five minutes something like,
that IF i had to. Estimate but, yeah it's a really,
weird interesting mix of, things AND i quite like the
gameplay loop of. It AND i, think you, know whether
you're defending your base or attacking the enemy, base both
like very. Interesting you, know, obviously because in all the
walls are, destructible you can like blast shortcuts or hidden
passageways into certain buildings and also try and defend them interesting.
Ways the enemy base usually they can like move more,
freely like they can open, doors but you can open the,
doors you have to like blow them down and. Stuff so,
yeah it's it's a really interesting amalgam of genres and
it plays pretty, well So I've i've had a good
time with it in a few Games i've played so.
Speaker 2: Far do you not find that a three v three is,
like is a map small enough to make that? ENTERTAINING
i it's.
Speaker 1: INTERESTING i feel like. That it was one of the
CRITICISMS i saw the game in the first few, days people,
like why is it three v? Three like these maps
are way too? Big and THEN i don't, know when
but like even from the first TIME i played the game,
too WHEN i played the literally the next, day they
had added a five to five, Mode SO i don't
know if their plan was like in a very kind
of live service type of game sort of, style like,
oh we're going to release new game modes every day
or every week or whatever it, is or but also
it had like the tag under like, experimental so it
almost seems like they were immediately, like, oh people are
kind of pissed about the three v three, thing let's
make it five y. Five but with the caveat, that,
like you, know we haven't tested this that, much so
it might be a little bit. Buggy both versions played
about the, same you. Know with more, people it was
a more engaging. Game there's a lot more going, on
and obviously every character has like abilities and an ultimate.
Attack obviously the more people, have the more variety of
abilities you're seeing in the match. Too AND i think
with the map, size five v five feels. Better BUT
i didn't think that it felt bad with three v.
THREE i think we just had to be more strategic
with our sticking together and things like. That so, YEAH i,
MEAN i Think i've only played on some of the.
Maps there's a few of, them SO i that would you,
know results may vary based on which map you're, On
BUT i do think five y five is probably the
best way to go about. It it seems like a
more engaging way to play the.
Speaker 2: Game and then kind of my other question on that
you were talking, about you, know getting these mounts and
these upgrades and things like, that is it like outside
of each match there's upgrades that carry into each, game
or each game everyone starts at base level zero every.
Speaker 1: Game, Yeah i'm pretty sure you all start a base.
LEVEL i think most of the things you could buy
outside of the game would be like cosmetic. Things but
there also is like a you can go in your,
character you can pick which character you, want and then
there's like a bunch of weapons you can choose. From
SO i think you can choose your starting load. Out
but THEN i think the idea is that whatever you're
starting load out is like whether you want this kind
of MORE smg type gun or assault rifle or like
a sniper, rifle they'll always be like the gray like common.
Type and then when you're in the game and you're
getting the resources and you're finding, boxes that's when you're, like,
oh Now i've upgraded to the blue stronger Tier purple.
Tier you know you're you're leveling them. Up so, yeah
as far AS i can, tell you can never like
join a game and be, like, Oh i've already had
like the purple tear and like max, armor like it
seems like it kind of rebounces everyone for every. Game
but there are still customization. Options and, then LIKE i,
said a lot of the things THAT i think you're
the metaprogression will probably be mostly cosmetic. Things maybe there's
a characters you can, unlock And i'm sure if this
game does well and sticks, around then obviously they'll be
all sorts of new characters and things you can buy with.
Money of, course not That i'm gonna check out any
of that, stuff But i'm sure they'll have a bunch
of different reward. Systems and is.
Speaker 2: This strictly shooter? Orsus, like is there any type of
powers or things like? That?
Speaker 1: Yeah mostly first person. Shooter there are, powers, like for,
example one of the characters that play is like a hunter.
Type she's like birds and things like, that so you
can like scout people, Out like my ultimate IS i
literally control a bird for a bit and like shoot
down these little wind tunnel things that make like a
big wind, ball and then like if an enemy touches,
that then they get alerted on our, Screen like my
whole team will see exactly where they are in real,
time SO i can kind of like scout them out
if they're hiding behind rocks and things like, that which
has worked pretty, well AND i think it maybe does
a little bit of. Damage i've only tried the one,
character SO i don't even know like all the different
types of abilities you can. GET i think the characters
designs are like, Fine like they're a little bit. Janky
one of them is Called, kai so you might like that,
character but, YEAH i don't know they're THEY'RE i don't.
Know they don't seem like. Revolutionary and there's only eight of,
them WHICH i guess is fine for a game like,
this but it does seem like kind of. LOW i
feel like normally there's a lot more than, that even
at like day one.
Speaker 2: Launch, YEAH i, mean for if you're doing a five
v five and there's only eight, characters, like there's not
gonna be a lot of variety within that.
Speaker 1: Repeats on each team for. Sure, yeah, YEAH i, MEAN
i don't. KNOW i assume some characters are more tanky
versus more like, slow uh you, know slower tanky versus
like quick nimble that that kind of archetype. Stuff but
it seems to be pretty. Balance and LIKE i, said
since someone has these mounts like no matter, what you
can kind of cruise around that at pretty. QUICKLY i
assume the horse moves quicker than the, bear but the
bear is just. TANKIER i don't really know, exactly like.
Speaker 2: The different bear looks.
Speaker 1: Cooler BUT i don't think the bear has like an
attack or anything. LIKE i think it is mostly just
meant to be a mount that you're cruising around. On
BUT i, think you, know especially these, Days, jessica now
That i'm getting, like you, know my reflexes in first person,
shooters Like i've noticed it get worse in like recent,
Times Like i'm like much worse At call Of duty
THAN i used to be Or. Halo i'm still, okay
but like there are Oftentimes i'll just boot up a
first person shooter that's like a game on Game pass or,
something And i'll play it for a. Bit i'm, like,
MAN i suck at this. GAME i can't, AIM i
can't hit. Anything but this game plays really, Well, like
it feels really.
Speaker 2: Good the.
Speaker 1: CONTROLS i feel you're. GOOD i can aim really, well
and so it's making me feel young, again you. Know
it's given me some it's giving me some. Confidence you,
know LIKE i, SAID i just get trashed a lot these,
days BUT i don't know this. Game this game plays,
well and you know it might be the thing, too
where a lot of these, games like your first few,
games it makes you think you're playing against people where
you're actually playing against. Bots so anyone who's played this,
game let me. Know Maybe i'm just playing against, bots
and maybe that's Why i'm playing. Well BUT i feel
like it ACTUALLY i can actually aim well and like
be strategic and stuff like.
Speaker 2: That so have you looked in the menu is there
an am assist? Option and is it turned?
Speaker 1: ON i, mean any console game usually has no.
Speaker 2: Offense no. Offense i'm sure you're great just for other people.
Speaker 1: LISTENING i, MEAN I i assume. It LIKE i feel
like every first brinon shooter on consoles has like some am, assist,
Right it just depends how strong it, Is so there's
probably a little bit amiss if this is not like
an am bot or anything like.
Speaker 2: That, sorry is this you're playing ON?
Speaker 1: Pc i'm ON ps five for this.
Speaker 2: One, okay YEAH i. CAN'T i can't snipe with a.
Mouse let's be. HONEST i can barely snipe with a.
Speaker 1: Controller so, yeah, YEAH i haven't really sniped a whole,
lot mostly using like an assault rifle type or like
a shotgun pistol that's switching it up depending on the.
Game but uh, YEAH i like the game as aesthetic
is good. Enough, LIKE i like the design of the.
Levels they look pretty. Cool they it almost has like
A halo aesthetic to some of this stuff in. There
and then whether you're not you like the characters that's
up Up eye The beholder kind of. Thing but uh,
Yeah i'm enjoying this. Game i'll probably play a few
more matches of. IT i don't know how Much i'll stick.
Around i've only played it solo so. FAR i haven't
like cued up with any. FRIENDS i don't know if
anyone wants to play this. Game it seems like everyone's,
like oh fuck High, guard this game. Sucks but you,
know as somebod who's NOT x, men this genre by
any Means i'm having a good time with. IT i
think it's cool game with unique mechanics that plays pretty.
WELL i like having a bear. Mount you, KNOW i
don't know how many. Games name a game that gives
you a bear, Mount, Jessica.
Speaker 2: Probably world Of warcraft if we're being.
Speaker 1: Honest, okay name two games that have a bear.
Speaker 2: Mount probably one of the versions Of. Diablo for being, Honest.
Speaker 1: Okay name three GAMES i have a bear.
Speaker 2: Mount, Okay i'm out, Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah you got, Me well you got you got to
name High. GUARD i, mean you, know that's that's the. Freebie,
no that'd be a cheat. Answer, like it's. FUN i
like having a bear. Mount it's cool as. Heck and
you can also have a panther on. Too that's pretty.
Cool i'm sure the panther can like jump way up
in the. Sky i'm not.
Speaker 2: Sure none of them can, attack not even the. Panther.
Speaker 1: There maybe there's a button for. IT I i really
went through the tutorial. Quick i'm not gonna. LIE i
wanted to, play SO i think there was like advanced.
Training But i'm, like, No i'm gonna. Go i'm gonna
go queue up and IF i let my team, DOWN
i let my team. Down, actually you know, what NOW
i think about, IT i THINK i was playing with
actual people because they were on their. Microphone so unless
this game does something where they like really try and
trick you hard by playing making you play against, bots
but then also fake people with fake voices like, talking
then if that's not the, case THEN i THINK i
actually was playing with, people even THOUGH i then you
died them in like ten seconds and LIKE i never
listen to them, again but they were trying to be
AND i couldn't tellf my microphone is. ON i don't
know if people are hearing me AS i have like
a YouTube and on the side if there's hearing What i'm.
Watching but, uh, yeah SO i THINK i THINK i
did win against actual human. Beings for what it's.
Speaker 2: Worth oh you know, What i'll give it to. YOU
i think you were playing against real people.
Speaker 1: Too thank, you thank. YOU i appreciate. That, yeah so
there you. Go There's High. GUARD i don't know if
they'll have much more update on, that but like, again free.
Game check it, out play a couple of, matches put
an hour or two into. It see if you like.
It vernone wants a que, up let me know i'd
be down to play Some High. Guard it's it's cool.
GAME i like What i've What i've played so. Far
let's you know, what let's jump To, okay let's jump
to your last. Game then we'll take our last break after.
That but your last game on the list for today is,
another so we're back to the co. Op, well because
you're the queen of co. Op Lego, voyagers which is
a game THAT i very much thought looked really cool
and it was really excited check it, out and then
just didn't get around to. It so tell me About Lego.
Speaker 2: VOYAGERS i honestly expected you to tell me about. It
seems like every TIME i come in here with a,
game you've like pre researched it and you tell me
all this information about it THAT i didn't.
Speaker 1: Know, SO i, mean ALL i can tell you is
That lego is doing a lot of weird things right.
Now like they Had Lego party And Lego voyagers last,
Year Lego party being like A Mario, Party like they
had that like really high fidelity Like Builder Rube Goldberg
machine looking game that looked really. Cool so they're doing
more than just like The Lego Star Wars Lego Indiana
jones type. Things they're switching it up and spreading THE
ip love a little. Bit SO i like what they're
doing here And voyagers is certainly a unique deviation from
what they've done.
Speaker 2: Before, yeah it's definitely very like low, risk you, know
just kind of a fun game to. Play there's you,
know you, die you immediately. Respond there's no real like,
YEAH i don't know what the kind of correct wording for,
it but, yeah risk to, it like there's no fog
climbing up the mountain like when you're Playing. Peak there's
no risk of your base dying when you're Playing i'm
gonna call it High lands. AGAIN i, know we just
talked about. It it's already. Gone it's really just kind
of you're running around trying to solve like little, puzzles
Moving lego bricks from one place to another to create.
Bridges you, know you can hop onto your partner and
like move together or like reach higher places because you
can now stack. Yourselves, yeah so you, know there's like
fun things to interact within the, world like Different Lego
they'll Be lego flowers and when you roll over top of,
them they'll like pop And lego pieces will fly into the.
Sky there is like a button to make like meeping
noises so you can meep at each other in the.
Speaker 1: Game describe.
Speaker 2: IT i, HONESTLY i don't know THAT i can make
a lego meap. SOUND i. CANNOT i will. Not is it?
Like do you want me to? Like i'll google it
or like YouTube? It and?
Speaker 1: Well WAS i WAS i hotter cold WHEN i made my?
Speaker 2: Sound? Uh it's more kind of like cartoony singy.
Speaker 1: Ish is that?
Speaker 2: Hotter, no that's definitely, colder, Colder, okay we're getting.
Speaker 1: Closer, yeah oh so it's high.
Speaker 2: Pitched, yeah you're Definitely you're definitely closer with. That it's
more kind of sing, songy go a little more singy
like you there you. Go, yeah we're cooking.
Speaker 1: Now that's a Mep, okay, okay good to.
Speaker 2: Know uh, so, yeah only.
Speaker 1: That got picked up by my mic or it's, like,
no there's a bird, outside we're gonna echo canceled like
that's not a really Human we'll see if the listener
got the same experience as you did.
Speaker 2: That i'm gonna go on. YouTube i'm gonna clip that,
sound And i'm gonna make it specific to when you message.
Speaker 1: Me oh that sounds like, torture but you know it's your,
funeral go for.
Speaker 2: It it's actually just a ploy to get you to
message me. More i'm.
Speaker 1: Lonely you were my number one message person On discord
when they gave you my discord. RAFT i don't know
what what more do you?
Speaker 2: Want you don't Use discord very, much, then do?
Speaker 1: You i'd be discording every. Day, actually it's ALL i.
Speaker 2: DO i guess we Got, Survivor, yes that's.
Speaker 1: True And chain together co op, games.
Speaker 2: Yeah chain? Together, okay uh so. Yeah so, Anyway lego
is it's really. Cute you can hop on your you,
know the person you're playing, with your, partner you can
like roll off the edge and kill them for. Fun
but because it's so low, impact like you just immediately
respond like there's no, harm no. Foul the like puzzles
are fairly, simple so it's just kind of. More it's.
Fun it's just got like really cute, sounds really cute.
Visuals everything's made out Of, lego so it's fun to
see all these like little builds in the. Background it's
fun to try and interact with. Things listening to the
different sounds your characters make you, know there's Little lego
birds that like sit on things and watch you, work you,
know little animals like. That like there's was like like
earwigs or, cockroaches which was just like one of the
like square bricks with like the the hooks on the
side is run at you kind of run around like
it's Just it's really just a cute. Game and, HONESTLY
i love. IT i love how adorable it. IS i
just love the visuals in. It But i'm also a
Huge lego. Nerd that one actually also was friends, past
so one person bought it AND i was just able to.
Join there was a couple times where it was janky
and kicked me out for no.
Speaker 1: Reason so that was kind of when that.
Speaker 2: Happened one time we lost a little bit of. PROGRESS
i think the other two times we, didn't okay or
so the one time we loaded back in and there
was no progress, lost and then the third time it,
HAPPENED i think is when we. Stopped so BUT i
mean FOR i don't, KNOW i think it was like
fifty bucks maybe for that one.
Speaker 1: IF i remember correct have beaten.
Speaker 2: It, yep we have. NOT i think we're gonna keep
playing it, tomorrow so make some more progress on. It
but we, INVESTED i don't, know three or four hours into,
it and my lego piece is still, small but the
other person's lego piece is. Bigger SO i believe that
we still have a fair amount of time to spend
within the game BECAUSE, i in theory think my lego
piece needs to finish being, small get, bigger and then
there'll be some kind of storyline with the two bigger.
Speaker 1: Pieces, OH i see.
Speaker 2: Interesting, yeah, yeah so it is kind of cool and
like there's now that we're in this new dynamic where
they are big AND i am. Small there's only things
that they can interact with because they're the bigger, piece
and things THAT i can no longer. Do so, yeah
and we've played in kind of the first part was
in like a certain type of like kind of lush,
world like there was, greenery there was, plants there was.
Birds and then now we've gone to the second world
where they are big And i'm small and it's more desert,
like so it's you, know kind of a different change
of kind of pace and. Scenery we've got now new
puzzles that go with this new, world so it's been
fun to like have at least a little bit of
change in how the game looks and interacts and. FEELS
i think it's just really a fun game to be
able to just put on and play for an hour
and be able to turn it off and not worry about, like,
OH i need to be able to remember What i'm doing,
next or you, know things like. That it's really. Relaxing
the soundtrack is super, adorable to really great music in the.
Background so and if you, Remember i'm not a big
music person when we ever did reviews on, Anything so
the fact THAT i noticed that that's. Good, yeah but,
yeah definitely recommend checking it. Out and if you have you,
know friends, pass why, not, right.
Speaker 1: Mm, hmm is THE i Guess my one main question
is like the, Build like when you're building stuff in
the Classic lego, way is there ever freedom LIKE i
can build this in a different way to like solve
a problem in a creative way or is it like
it's pretty, linear like you have to build this bridge
in this one specific way to like get across the
bridge and then you move on to the next.
Speaker 2: Thing the building is kind of, Janky i'll be. Honest
it's so you, can like you can pick up a
piece and then you like go over to where, say
this is like the plate that you start, on and
you like set the brick down and then you can
like move, it turn it and move it, okay and
then click it.
Speaker 1: In so there actually is some freedom in how you're.
Building it's not like the lego Like Star wars games or,
whatever you just hit the button and like they build the.
Speaker 2: Thing, no, no, no you do actually, build and there
IS i guess, yeah to some degree there's, freedom but
like you have like your base, plate like this is
where you have to start. Building like the entire world
isn't fully, customizable but there was like one puzzle we
had to create a like a. Catapult so we had
to go and like find all these pieces and bring
them all, back and then it was up to us
how we created this. Catapult like there was very obviously
like a scoop which had the lego piece that you
connected onto the catapult that you would sit. In but
other than, that however you created that catapult to get
the scoop on the end of it was completely up to.
Speaker 1: You and because you've played Co, Op Kaiju Horror cook
and you're, like, OKAY i know how a catapult, works
SO i know how to do.
Speaker 2: This that was exactly, It AND i knew that as
the small lego, piece that the kaiju would be satisfied
with just my sized lego being shot over Because i'm
small and that's. Acceptable, yes you know it all comes back. Around, yeah.
Speaker 1: Nice, yeah is it like the hardest? Puzzle how long
did it take you to? Solve was it like two
minutes or is it?
Speaker 2: Like, yeah it's all really, Quick LIKE i don't really
think there was anything that took too too. Long it's
mostly because the game is fairly linear to like you
kind of, know you're, like, Oh i'm missing a. PIECE
i can't move. Forward obviously the PIECE i need is
within you, know the last minute of, play you. Know
or oh there was one piece like a new mechanic
was introduced where you had to like hit a switch
and flip something and we didn't realize if you stood
on it would throw. You so that one maybe took
us two, minutes but like while we farted around trying
to figure that, out like got an achievement for doing something,
else so, right like it's, yeah it's not. Hard it's
definitely a just chill and relax type.
Speaker 1: Game and then, yeah my last question, is so you
said at some point your friends lego piece like grew
inside and now like the bigger one and. Stuff was
that like player one that will always happen to it
or was it because like choices you guys, made Like,
Oh i'm gonna be the one to like go into
this machine that makes my piece bigger or.
Speaker 2: Whatever, YEAH i think it's dependent On so, basically there's
like a sequence that happens where one person goes inside
something and one person stays. Outside and then when we
landed in the, desert the piece that was inside the
machine was, Bigger SO i, think, YEAH i think HAD
i gone inside of, IT i would have been the bigger. Piece,
yeah BUT i have no way to confirm.
Speaker 1: That that's, Cool, yeah a little bit of, choice freedom
and all that kind of fun.
Speaker 2: Stuff so UNFORTUNATELY i did not buy that. ONE i
was rocking The Friends, pass SO i cannot offer to
show you the. Ropes but you're with me in spirit
WHEN i.
Speaker 1: Play, yeah think about. Me whenever you hear the whip.
Sound now you can. Picture i'll make a mod for
you that will replace the in game meeps with my
meats and then you CAN.
Speaker 2: I would love. THAT i would appreciate that you need
to do two different meats, though because, like that's my.
Meat what's the meat for the other color? Piece?
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah it's one like lower or. Something maybe it's.
Speaker 2: MORE i was just going to give you the Bigger lego.
Speaker 1: Piece does your voice change more like? That a little more.
Speaker 2: Basically of the voice change when it was. Bigger, ACTUALLY
i wasn't the bigger. PIECE i didn't get to spam
the meat.
Speaker 1: Button are you not hearing your friend's? Meep just, ME i.
Speaker 2: Am hearing the friends. MEET i Just I'm i'm. SORRY
i wasn't more meap.
Speaker 1: Aware you're focusing on your own. Memes, YEAH i was
so selfish when it comes to. Meeting i'm.
Speaker 2: Sorry i'm a bad. Friend, hey not to.
Speaker 1: Me you're a bad friend to your other. Friend that's.
FINE i don't. Care as long as your good. Friend
that's all that matters to.
Speaker 2: Me it's like the same level of. Selfish this is
why we're.
Speaker 1: Friends, yeah this is why we're friends because we're bad.
Friends And i'm just. Kidding that's, great, Okay Lego Lego.
Voyagers i'm excited to hear how that one wraps up for.
You if it, sticks it sticks the landing in the.
End i've heard like mixed things on that, game BUT
i still think it looks very cute and would like
to play it at some point in the.
Speaker 2: FUTURE i, mean there Are lego pieces in. Theory they
should stick. Together that's ALL i got On. Lego.
Speaker 1: Nice speaking of sticking, Together we're going to stick some
ads to this part of the podcast and we will
be right. Back, okay we are. BACK i don't really
know what we're going to talk about, here BUT i
just you, know Clock Tower blood on the Clock tower
has been my obsession in the last half a. YEAR
i would say to put. It to put it, LIGHTLY
i will say this section of the podcast might be
extremely in the. Weeds so that's WHY i left it
to the. End because if anyone hasn't Played blow in
the Clock tower doesn't know about this, game this, CONVERSATION
i don't, know it might just sound like. Words you,
know it won't be, sentences just, words so you, know,
beware feel free to join us next week if this
is two in the weeds for. You but, yeah we
talked about the blood and o'clock to our last time
you were on the. Pod it is a, again a
social deduction. Game you, know Think, MAFIA i Think, werewolf
but with just a ton of more, mechanics tom more
rules somewhere variety to it and or like avalon games
like that social deduction. Game good, team bad, team good
teams to take up the bad, guys bad guys to
survive at the, end that kind of, thing, right pretty.
Simple but, yeah we've actually been playing a lot more
consistently in the LAST i guess a couple. Months maybe
our flock has has. Grown we've acquired more people who
are in our group. Here i've been joining some other,
groups like locally In, vancouver and some of those people
have been joined in our. Groups now our flock is.
Great and now it's Like monday AND i, posted hey
wants to play this? Weekend we already got like ten sign,
ups which is crazy though it happened that.
Speaker 2: Quickly, yeah you used to have to post and like
tag people multiple.
Speaker 1: Times it used to be stressful BECAUSE i used to be, like,
Oh i'd LIKE i want to plan this, thing BUT
i don't want people to like prepare for this, thing
and then it doesn't, happen and then like there's some
people who aren't on discords are to like coordinate with these,
things and like it'd be Like friday and like, A
i don't know if this is gonna happen, yet AND
i have to tell people's not gonna. Happen and it
was like it was getting to a point where it's
like actually causing me, anxiety and LIKE i don't WANT
i don't. WANT i want this to be simple and.
Fun and thankfully now we have enough people that boom
and like one day we've got like a game set
up For, saturday so that's very. Exciting but, yeah how
is your Clock tower journey? Been it sounds like you
still love this game as much as when we first
started playing.
Speaker 2: It i'm not gonna lie every single time that the
game is like about to, Start Like i'm logging, In
i'm getting set. UP i have existential crisis That i'm
gonna be vamp AND i hate.
Speaker 1: It, yeah you you you need to get over your evil,
anxiety for. SURE i mean that's a big part of,
it right is uh is being able to hold it
down when you're on the evil. TEAM i feel bad
that the one time you were evil last, weekend it
was a fucking goofball of a game because we just
killed The demon on the first, day so he didn't
even get to do, it which is maybe a good
thing for you because you got, LIKE i wasn't even the.
Demon it's not my, fault AND i can just brush
this off and be a good.
Speaker 2: Guy next game that was such a snipe, though like
out of, nowhere you just, yeah killed the infra, shy
AND i was, LIKE i have no way to even
try and like point this at another person Because i've
talked to one, Person so how AM i supposed to be, like, oh, well,
no don't vote for that.
Speaker 1: GUY i vote for the like it WAS i it.
Was it was a shot in the dark because the
only PERSON, i you, KNOW i was the over that.
Game i'd Picked, matt SO i was CONFIDENT i was
On matt's, team AND i was, Like i'll just pick
someone who's not mad as The, Demon so you, KNOW
i PROVED I i don't know IF i made a
good or bad point to BECAUSE i always tell you,
guys it's good to execute every day you always want to.
Execute but you, know we did that, game we, won
but it's, like, well it wasn't really like a good, Match,
like you, know we got the win as the good,
guys but LIKE i don't know If i'm like super
hyped about that. Win, necessarily it feels better when you
get the win at the final, three, RIGHT i.
Speaker 2: Try and snipe, people but it's everyone's so, uh like
they don't want to do. It everyone's so against.
Speaker 1: It, WELL i mean The demon why the part of
the you, know part of the game built into the, game,
right it's like The demon having, bluffs so they have
like they have a way. Out they have spein Of
Hayes light's a way. Out they have a way. Out
every game like they in some way that they can
weasel between those three bluffs to like make Sure town
doesn't kill, them or have the minions jump in and
like really save the. Day but you want to be.
Tricky you don't want to make it too. Obvious so
it is. Tricky but you, know it's it's low chance
that you're gonna have a game like that that just
pops like. That but you always just rewrack and run it,
again so it's.
Speaker 2: Fine, well and it's so hard to separate from one
game to the next because, honestly Like coltman And matt
are suss as, Fuck like that's WHY i excuse the.
Language like every, Game i'm, like it's one of. THEM
i don't trust.
Speaker 1: Them, OH i love having people who are just default
sus like it's fun to have the people to. Mix
but that's WHY i picked WHEN i was the. Ogre
so if anyone doesn't know, that the ogre is the
character you pick one person and you're on that person's,
team whether they're good or. Bad so you're you start
as a good guy by, default but you might just
become evil. Immediately and like me And matt were always
fighting it, out we're always at each other's now he's
always coming after. Me So i'm, Like i'm gonna Pick matt.
Here this is probably best for my you, know life.
Expectancy IF i Pick matt, Here i'll probably survive longer
THAN i normally. Would And i'm going to tell him
immediately and so we can finally not be enemies this.
Game and he's not gonna come after me unless he
doesn't believe. Me and, SO i don't, know it's nice
when you're that one specific character because you can be,
like you know, what no matter, What i'm on your
team and you can't be poison or drunk here LIKE
i just guarantee him on your. Team. Again they have
to believe you that you're actually that. Character but that
was good for. ME i like to be able to
take the one chaos person and work with. Them And
i'll you mentioned that. Too colton is always on your,
radar you, know because he AND i always the. Storytellers.
Like he AND i haven't played a game together, yet
So i'm looking forward to the day where he AND
i actually get to play with each. Other it's funny
that we keep switching out for the moderator, role but
SOMEDAY i will get to be in the mix with,
him and that's gonna be a good.
Speaker 2: Time, yeah you know that's. PERFECT i will be storyteller
because THEN i won't be imp you, know that's.
Speaker 1: True that's. True although there is there is a, character
there's A i think it's an. Outsider it's an outsider
that if you kill the outsider or when that outsider,
dies the storyteller gains and minion. Ability that's kind of.
Speaker 2: Cool, yeah is that that you haven't added that one in? Yet.
Speaker 1: NO i think it's called the plague. Doctor i've not
put that in our in our sessions, yet but it's
a it's a weird one when it pops.
Speaker 2: Up, yeah so let's talk about. That so you recently
created a new, script your own, creation added a bunch
of new. Roles we had what Village idiot was added?
IN i believe to this. One we have two new
demons were added in The Ojoe and you call it
The PUKA i was calling. It is It?
Speaker 1: PUKA i like saying puka more than. Puka puka would
be like p o o ka right.
Speaker 2: Like, Pooky like, OKAY i get, it. Puck, yeah, Okay i'll.
Speaker 1: Allow you can say how you, want, Though AND i
because some people say The, OJO i think the j
is supposed to be like like an h sound like,
oh SO i always hear. That SO i don't even
know what's right between those. Two SO i GUESS i
picked the two demons, that, LIKE i don't know how you
pronounce these.
Speaker 2: Things i'm gonna stick With ojo for that. One i'll,
I'll i'll Allow, paka But ojo's stuy. In.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah and then we had what? Else The godfather was?
Speaker 1: Added, YEAH a couple of only a couple of new.
MINIONS i just pretty much switched The baron for The,
godfather had the assassin in, there, outsiders switch those. UP i,
mean my idea with this script IS i wanted you
guys to have some more, characters more character, VARIETY i.
WANT i wanted more, demons for, sure because that's like
a big part of the game is figuring out which
demon is in. Play that's a fun puzzle to. Solve
BUT i wanted to keep it like pretty much the
same structure of the, game because there's other scripts that
are like a very, different like the game is completely
different the things you're looking out. For like there's one
one of the default scripts THAT i ACTUALLY i wanted to,
pitch pitch it to your talk to you about it
and see if you're interested in. It it's Called Bad Moon,
rising and the idea of it is that people well
don't really get like information in the sense of, like,
oh this person's. Good you never learn like just basic
information like. That all the information and all the characters,
though are just based around, deaths characters dying at different,
times so you might have a night that has like
two or three or more, deaths and so like trying
to figure out why these deaths, happened like that's how
you kind of have to reverse the. Information but then
there's also a couple of ways to. REVIVE i know
at one point we had The professor as one of
the good guys who can revive a, person which we
had happened once in one of our, Games so that
character's in there as well as some other. Ones but
then there's also a bunch more protection, Roles so like
we use The. Innkeeper now The innkeeper is originally From
Bad Moon, rising so who can like save two, people
one of them is. Drunk so there's a lot of
characters like that that protect in different, ways a lot
of characters that kill in extra. Ways and then the,
demons like one of the DEMONS i think The pucka's
on that script too, actually but on that script as,
well there's the like they're called The shabbloth and they
it's a demon who gets two kills every. Night but
then the next, day the DAY i guess the not that,
morning but the day, after one of those people who
got killed can be, regurgitated it can come back to,
Life so that can kind of be a bluff along
with like The professor in terms of like why did
this person get, revived you also have to figure out
why that, happened and then one of.
Speaker 2: Them but like multiple people could also be revived, though
someone from a professor and someone from the, demon and yeah.
Speaker 1: That could happen. Too that could happen, too and then,
yeah one of the, characters one of the, demons is
called a, poe and their ability is that they can
choose to not kill one, night and then the next
night they'll get three. Kills so they pretty much just
charge up and get like a huge. Kill and so
if there was like no deaths in the, night you
could be, Like, okay were you about to get like
blasted by a poe or was there just a couple
of protection roles that worked correctly and saved. Us so
there's like fun so that that scripts like all about
that kind of. Mechanics SO i tried to take a
few of those, things LIKE i wanted to add more
ways that we could die in the, night and there
being enough characters in play that there's like a little
bit of. Ambiguity was it a godfather, kill was an
assassin kill or was it like an acrobat or or
one of these other? Things uh, Moonschild things like that
like there's multiple ways that there can be multiple, kills
but it's not too. Overwhelming and then there isn't really
like any other new mechanics other than, that it's just
like switched up characters for like very similar type things
took out took out like The saint and The, mayor
so like two other win Conditions i've been pulled, out
WHICH i don't, know do you do you like? That
do you or do you miss having, like, Oh Saint.
Mayor that's interesting that there's like other ways the game could,
end BECAUSE i GUESS i simplified it in a sense
that there's really there's only one win. Condition.
Speaker 2: NOW i don't Think i've ever played on a game
that The mayor or The saint made a difference that
we won on those.
Speaker 1: Conditions we had One saint. Game it was very early.
ON i remember it WAS i Think colton was The,
saint BUT i think it was like the final, three
so it really didn't make a, difference like the human
was about to win, anyway and then like The, saint
it was like The demon or The saint end of the.
Game it was kind of like equivalent in that. CASE
i don't think we've had on. Early we've definitely never
had A mayor win or even a mayor make it
like far in the. GAME i feel like for whatever.
Speaker 2: Reason so, yeah so to, me, LIKE i don't see
any harm in those having been removed because they were
never big.
Speaker 1: Players, YES i, Mean saint is a really good bluff
for a. Demon that's one of the reasons to keep
it in even if it never Gets it's not really
ever supposed to get, procked, right it's just the threat
of it and the just the idea is a fearful
thing that can.
Speaker 2: Happen, yeah, yeah, So AND i mean that's the thing
people like latch onto those, roles, Right like the slayer
role was another big. Lie artist is another. One SO i,
mean if you've already got these other roles that are,
useful and if that's all that's really being kept in,
for then maybe it's. Not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah SO i definitely tried this scripto BECAUSE i
HAVEN'T i haven't played it. Yet because there's the three
bas scripts in the. Game There's Trouble, brewing which is
like the default one that we've played a bunch. Now
There's sex And, violets WHICH i have played a couple. Times,
actually that one's pretty. Good that one has some other
mechanics like madness in. THERE i don't know if you
HAVE i told you about madness what madness.
Speaker 2: Is YET i don't think.
Speaker 1: So but down to, hear, yeah mat Madd this is
a it's kind of a weird mechanic to get your
get a hold. Of so one of the minions in
that script is called The Sarah novs and they make
they choose a townsmoke every night and they make them
mad about being another. Character, so for, example let's say
you were the, mayor but The Sarah novas made you
mad as The. Slayer that next, day you have to
tell people you're The. Slayer you have to claim. Slayer
you have to say that's what you. Are you can't
Say I'm Sarah, novas madd and that's Why i'm saying The. Slayer.
Like you have to make, it you, know as best
as you can to your, ability make it believable that
you are this this other character that you. Aren't and
if you break, that you can at any point obviously
it's a bluffing. Game you could just Say I'm Sarah
novas matter right, now then the storyteller can and probably
will kill. You so if you break the rule on,
that then they'll just they'll just kill. You and the
day like continues, on so you're incentivized to play as
it and that becomes a fun thing too of like
why did this guy just randomly on day three start
claiming Like slayer for no? REASON i think He's Sarah novus,
mad but IF i ask, him you can't like confirm
if you is or. Not so that there's a couple
mechanics like that in the game where you are being
you're mad as a certain, character so you you have
to pretend that you're a character that you. Aren't it
gets a bit weird in terms of like let's say
you going, up you'd say you're mad as this other,
character but you go in like a private chat and
the storyteller's not in. There obviously you could like quote
unquote cheat in a way and like, say, Oh I'm Sarah,
Nara Sarah nova's mad right. Now but if like the
storyteller jumps in that private chat and here's you say,
that and the storyteller might hang out in private chats
that they know that someone who's mad is in just
to make sure they aren't, cheating then they can it's
not really, cheating but you just you, know having the
downside of getting killed. Potentially so it's a weird McKennon
to get used. To but it does add an interesting
wrinkle to the. Game and so sex And violence has
like two or three ways that you can be mad
in different.
Speaker 2: Ways but does this wear off the next? Day Like
i'm mad, Today i'm the.
Speaker 1: Slayer it's exactly like. Poisoning so The Sarah novas picks someone.
Speaker 2: Up, sorry but like the next DAY i can come
in and be like sorry about, yesterday LIKE i is.
Mad i'm that's actually this role that you're allowed to declare.
Speaker 1: It, okay but there's Different so but as an, example
like and this has happened to me in a Game
i've played where, uh The Sarah novas just picked me
the entire game and made me mad as something the entire,
game SO I i couldn't come out the next, day
and So i'm not the slayer. ANYMORE i was Saraen
OVAs mad BECAUSE i was still the slayer of the whole.
Game or they might switch up the role on. You
so it's LIKE i first they claimed slayer and NOW
i have to Say i'm The. VIRGIN i have to
say The.
Speaker 2: Washington that would be so.
Speaker 1: Fun or they can spread it around the room and
like get. People but then you, know once you put
it onto a new, target then that original person and be, like,
OKAY i Was Sarah novus? Mad we know there's A
Sarah novus in the. Game things like, That so it's
it's it is.
Speaker 2: Interesting is that a minion or is that a?
Speaker 1: Demon Sarah novas is is a, minion but there are
there's a town there's another character on that script is The.
Pixie that is the townsfolk and The pixie IS i
think the way it works is they're. Mad they have
to be mad that they are a certain, character and
then if that character, dies then they actually beat they
actually gained that. Ability so if you, say if you're The,
pixie and YOU i keep using slayer as an, Example
i'll just keep going with, it and you say you're
mad as The. Slayer just the whole game you claim
you're A. Slayer so obviously it's gonna be potentially a
double claim out, there because there actually is The slayer
and then there's you claiming you're The. Slayer if the
actual slayer gets. Killed now you actually have the slayer
ability because you stuck to that the whole. Game so
there's things like that as. Well so there's other ways
you can be mad outside of just The Sarah. Novus
but that's kind of like the the default.
Speaker 2: ONE i think that sounds really.
Speaker 1: Fun, yeah, yeah it's it's chaotic for. SURE i didn't
know if you guys would be down for. Madness it
isn't because, YOU i mean you've played a lot, now
but some people in our group have only are still,
newish Like i've played a lot less games than. You
you AND i and stuff like, that so it's certain
things like that are definitely a step. Up SO i don't.
KNOW i was thinking either for this, weekend we do
uh that script THAT i made again last. Weekend we
keep running that ONE i think would be good for another,
weekend or we try Maybe Bad Moon, rising which is
the other ONE i said that has like all the
different ways you can die in the. Night if people
want to do sex and, Viodes i'm down for. WHATEVER
I i GUESS i have to just learn a lot
as a storyteller to play these new. Characters it's always
a step up to learn some of these new.
Speaker 2: THINGS i mean usually we play at least two. Games,
yeah you, know it might even be good to be, like,
hey this first, game we're going to do something that
everyone's comfortable, with and then whoever wants to stick around
for this new script to try it. Out, yeah here's
here's a, chance because, Yeah i'm down for. ANYTHING i
would love to try different different.
Speaker 1: Scripts so, YEAH i mean there's so many Like i've
played Because i've been playing this game so, Much Like
i've been playing online games with people with this group
In vancouver That i've. Met i've been going to some
in person games with them as, Well and like the
first ONE i went to was like only custom scripts
the whole. Day SO i had not even played Trouble brewing,
yet AND i was playing these custom scripts AND i
was like so. Overwhelmed and now even thrown into like
any customs, SCRIPT i can at least like get along
with it. Decently but there's still like always new characters
That i'm having to, learn or certain mechanics like madness
are hard to keep track, Of like it's hard to
because you're already you're so preoccupied just trying to keep
your role, intact trying to put a world, together and
like trying to keep track of like what was this
guy that been saying on different? Days like are they
mad right? Now like you, know it's it's a lot
of extra things to keep track. Of so it's it's,
fun but obviously it's intense at, times so it's good
to dole these things out in. Time that's WHY i
think it would. BE i think we'll do pretty well
when we jump To Badmin rising because you guys have
already seen a lot of these characters in previous, games
BECAUSE i already put some of them in. There it
was almost like a hybrid between the two ideas Of
Trouble brewing And Badmint. Rising so, Yeah i'm excited. Though
it's it's gonna be really. Fun DID i tell you
about My goblin game THAT i played in person? Session?
No The. Goblin The goblin is a minion who if
you are being nominated like for, execution if you say
you're The goblin and they continue to execute, you then evil.
Wins so you can just, say, uh, yeah you guys
Are i'm a, Minion but like if you kill me right,
now you're just gonna lose the. Game that's pretty much
the idea of the. Characters so you're just a very,
loud out there role even though even you're on the love.
It and SO i had a. Game there's another there's
another townsfolk role called the, alchemist and the alchemist gets
a minion ability like randomly assigned to them at the
start of the, game OR i think that's how it.
WORKS i THINK i think that's. Right SO i was
on THIS i was in this. Game it WAS i
forget the player count, was but it was. Me it
was one other minion and then my demon somewhere. ELSE
i was THE i was the goblin in this. Game
but like from the, BEGINNING i one of our bluffs
was the. Alchemists So i'm, Like i'm gonna say That
i'm the alchemist who has has the goblin, ability SO
i can just like claim this, openly and whether or
not they believe, ME i don't, know doesn't. Matter and
so the whole GAME i was kind of going along with,
that people, LIKE i don't know IF i believe this.
GUY i don't know IF i. Do there wasn't really
anything that Was there was no like evil pings on, me,
Thankfully so there wasn't anything like detracting my. Information the
only weird thing is that someone else this is getting
too in the. Weeds now one of the characters is
the philosopher who can gain another character's, ability and if
they if that character is in, play then that person
who actually had the ability originally is just drunk until
the philosopher. Dies so someone claim was had philosophered into
alchymists for a, Bit so in, theory my ability wasn't
working for a little bit, while you, know along going
along with his, bluff but then that person. Died i'm, like,
okay well Now i'm back to being my goblin. Self
and the best part about it WAS i could just
Say I'm I'm i'm the, goblin you, know because even
as the alchemist having the minion, ability it works differently
in that, way like if you're you're on the good,
team if you are the alchemist with the goblin, ability
so it's still the same. Thing you still want people
to nominate, you execute, you and then the good team would.
Win but it was like the perfect, cover the perfect.
Bluff we got all the way down to the final
three and people are, like, okay Either dylan is actually
a good, alchemy a good alchemist with the minion or gobbling,
ability and we want to kill him and get the win,
here or he's just lying and this is like all
some crazy demon play and we just want to kill,
him and either, way the good team. Wins and SO
i could just sit there and be, like, Yeah i'm The,
goblin vote for, me, Uh and so thankfully they voted for,
me which both gave us The goblin. Win but then
also it was the final three and then my demon was,
alive and so we won the game in two separate.
Ways but it felt really good to get That goblin.
Win it was a very, fun very fun roundabout. Race
it was a crazy.
Speaker 2: Game and that was what script was that one.
Speaker 1: On that was a custom. SCRIPT i don't even remember
what it was. Called it was all sorts of wicked
random characters on.
Speaker 2: There, okay that sounds really fun. Too, Yeah i'm really
excited as you continue to like make these scripts and
add characters and see how they all. Interact AND i
Know colton's starting to do the same as well now,
too so it'll be interesting as well to see how
kind of your scripts vary from his scripts and the
characters that are chosen and how they.
Speaker 1: Interact so, yeah it's it's it's funny like for both
me And, colton like obviously we both make video, Games
like we both have a game On. Steam you can
go check out our games if you want to go
check Out colton's games Called Siege, Breaker, Minds Potion, problem
if you want to check them. Out and this is.
Fun it's like it's almost like a game design, thing
like putting these scripts together and making like a balanced
script of. Characters were like every interaction has like multiple
ways that could, happen so it's not, like, oh, well
if this one thing, happens obviously means this one person
Is like for, example like when the when a virgin
PROCs and trouble, brewing that's the only way that kind
of mechanic can. Happen so it like confirms. Information so
it's good to think, about, Like, okay what are multiple
ways any interaction could, happen building some ambiguity, there so
it's not just like an immediate, SOLVE i don't. Know
making making scripts and thinking about the balance of it
is is a really interesting. Thing and, yeah there's so
many out, there and, like, uh there's only the three
base scripts so far that are like considered like the
standard default, ones but there's so many other that are
like supported in like the base collection or. Whatever and
then there's like all sorts of people making random custom.
Ones and a lot of the Games i've played are
just like, yeah made by other people In vancouver who
came up with like a funny idea for a. Script
so it's it's it's a lot of fun putting putting them.
Together you should try it. SOMETIME i want to see
what A jessica's script would look.
Speaker 2: Like, YEAH i, MEAN i GUESS i would just be
going in, there like on the little wiki, page writing
it down on my piece of, paper BUT i could
go take a look see WHAT i. Find, yeah a
question from like a storyteller. PERSPECTIVE i wanted to actually
ask you about. This so this works out, again probably
gonna be a little in the weeds on this.
Speaker 1: Whole, yeah we've lost a lot of viewers at this,
point and that's. Fine you, know they got an hour
twenty of regular video. Games but now we're to our
freak corner. Here is that it's all good freak not
the freak.
Speaker 2: Corner it's. Good so It's, Honestly i'll live in this.
Corner this is a perfect corner for. Me when we
played that last, game that was a complete not her.
Mess it was it was a total mess from a storyteller,
Perspective like we had a VI, i a village idiot
who didn't understand their role or like misheard the, storyteller
and so they were saying that they were actually an.
Ogre LIKE i guess from a storyteller, perspective is that
just you assume that that is them, Bluffing like there
is not a need to like go in and check
and verify, that because that one was a little wonky
because it threw all off. Everything like we then Killed
alex because we thought that there was three outsiders and
it turned out Like alex was in fact actually the Moon.
Child so just kind of, wondering like is that just
kind of storyteller discretion to like check in and be, like,
hey you're claiming this wrong role that's not even in the.
Speaker 1: Game. YEAH I i OBVIOUSLY i was in the storyteller
of that, game SO i don't know exactly like how
it went. Down it's unfortunate because If ash had survived
one more, night then that would have been cleared up
because The ogre only wakes up on the first, night
and so When ash would have been open woken up,
again would have been, like wait WHAT i, Thought I'm?
Ogre what do you? Mean and then would have, Bene,
oh you're actually The Village. Idiot you just misheard or.
SOMETHING i, MEAN i think she was having some issue
with like the app or, something SO i think it
just like didn't give her the token, necessarily and THEN
i DON'T i don't know if it was either a
text chat thing or if she was in a private
chat With colton when they were talking about the rules
or whatever was going on. There so, yeah that was
an UNFORTUNATE i, mean the thing is, LIKE i GUESS
i wasn't too bothered about.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 1: MAYBE i also give the storyteller a huge amount of
leeway because it's hard to keep things, straight and especially that,
script there's so, much Especially Village idiot's a really tough
character to run. Properly SO i Give golden a lot
of leeway, there and there's, like, oh, yeah you're allowed
to have. Mistakes i've made some mistakes and games we've played,
before but at the end of the, day, like, hey
it was that final. THREE i was, dead SO i couldn't,
nominate BUT i was, LIKE i think It's, Bryce LIKE
i think we need to vote from there's enough information
for me that was pointing towards the demon and so
like the soul was still possible. There BUT i didn't
also think That matt was also, evil and so the
fact that they were two evil guys and they were
just killing they were wasting our, time their. Day they
did a really good job of just burning out the
clock by just like screwing around and talking about nothingness
and then not nominating like anything of. Value like they
did a really good job. There BUT i do think
the game was still solvable even though it was like
a total.
Speaker 2: Mess, WELL i, Like i'll be one hundred PERCENT i
thought it Was bryce Over, matt BUT i Just i'm,
Yeah matt was, Nominated So i'm gonna vote For. Matt
because it's a.
Speaker 1: Tricky, thing right we only there's only one good guy
live in the final, three which means that you just
have to have as the good. Team you have to
trust that that guy's intuition is. Right AND i THINK
i forget how the vote, went BUT i Think adam
like probably thought that was, evil which he. Was he was,
evil it just wasn't the demon. Unfortunately so but that
was like our only chance to vote for. Someone SO
i don't. KNOW i think if IF i could go
back in, TIME i would have like really, pushed hey
can You, adam can you at least just Nominate? Brice so,
like are the people who want to vote for it
can vote for? It BUT i wasn't really. CERTAIN i
was such a confusing. GAME i didn't know for. SURE
i just IF i had to vote, ANYWHERE i would
have put it On. Bryce BUT i WAS i was.
Speaker 2: Dead, yeah well there was only the one, nomination, right that's,
Right adam. Nominate SO i mean had people push more.
Speaker 1: To be LIKE i, mean that's a great thing to
do as the other team just like try and kill
the time out in the final. Three if there's two
evil guys, live just let the good guy nominate. Something
hope it's obviously the wrong one and just just like
screw at the. TIME i mean that there's LIKE i
feel like that's the role of the baron in Trouble
brewing is like you don't once you've been put in the,
bag your role is, done, Right you've got The outsiders in.
Play now you don't have to worry about staying. Alive
just create as much chaos as you can waste the. Clock,
obviously don't be like too obvious about, it but just, like,
hey wheneveryone has free time to talk in the, town
just say the most, random useless crap of all, time you,
know like just kill just kill the clock and make
it so town can't solve. ANYTHING i think it's feel.
Speaker 2: Like that's What matt does every, time even if he's, good.
Speaker 1: He's very long, winded which is which helps from which
helps him out really well when he is evil and
he's not the, imp because he really does burn a
lot of. Time AND i, MEAN i think me And
colton also like just run it kind of differently in
terms of how long we let things go on. For
AND i try And i'm trying to make things more
and more snappy as we go. Along but even, like for,
example when we get to Like badman, rise AND i
think that is a THING i need to. CHANGE i,
think since there's so many deaths in the night and
the games are gonna be shorter in that, Way i'll
probably just give you guys a lot more time to
chat during the day because also the puzzle is a
lot more, complex so you need more time to really solve,
things and SO i DON'T i THINK i just have
to sit and with a script. TOO i THINK i
tried to get you guys about equal time to trouble
brewing in terms of how Long i'm making the days
And i'm trying to run without the. Clock, NOW i
wanted to ask you about. That how did you feel
about me not using any, timers like any physical, Timers
and WHEN i was storytelling those last, games did you
even notice a difference or did it feel pretty much the?
SAME i, MEAN.
Speaker 2: I like the timers strictly because THEN i know what to.
Expect BUT i also would like me, personally would like more,
time like with everyone in, town because we've gotten to
the point now where everyone's in private. Chats, yeah but
then when we come back to town and there's only
like one minute before nominations open and there's twelve, people,
like it's not enough time to really discuss what people
might have found.
Speaker 1: Out, yeah that's.
Speaker 2: Fair it is good to like to. Know because there
was a couple one of the nights That colton was a,
storyteller like it said there was like ten seconds left
and someone put up a, nomination and then it was, like,
okay well this isn't going to, pass but we need
to like you, know be ready to like immediately nominate someone.
Else and if that ten second timer wasn't in the,
bottom you, know maybe we would be as aware of
how fast we need to.
Speaker 1: Move, YEAH i, MEAN I i do try and make
it fair for you, guys AND i do like any
NOMINATIONS i can call for, nominations you, know any last
second nominations that i'd be a good. Time, yeah try
and try and make it fair in that. Way but
heard on That i'll try and give you guys more,
time especially because this is another thing, too IS i
feel like, GENERALLY i don't know if it's like technically
against the, rules because you, know it's very free form
in terms of how you run a lot of, it
but like In final, three you're not really supposed to
give any private chat, time like it's supposed to be
all out in the. OPEN i tried to change that
last session and, call you, know making sure that everyone
just talks in town together in The final, three BUT
i haven't done that in the, past SO i just
kind of it.
Speaker 2: UP i like it. Better it's like it's it's the,
end like put it all on the, table like.
Speaker 1: Exactly you. Know it's tricky, though if there is that
person who's just trying to waste, time and there's some
people who are like louder than others and whatnot that
won't might be more more willing to just talk, endless you,
know so you gotta like try and moderate to some.
Extent but you, know it's. FUNNY I. Uh one of
the things before we started last, SESSION i was gonna
do a LITTLE. PSA i was gonna, say you know, what,
guys you guys are getting way too wild when the
accusations are, happening like BECAUSE i WANT i want to
hear the accuser make their, case then, defender and then anything.
Pertinent BECAUSE i feel like the session before it was too.
Crazy people were just talking over each other and it
was like getting too. CRAZY i feel LIKE i circumvented
it a little bit by just again trying to be
annoying of, like hey stop, talking let this person talk
go into. Order and THEN i was trying to give
you guys more time when we get back to. Town
BEFORE i open the nominations so that BECAUSE i haven't
really done that, before usually just opened nominations right. Away
BUT i did try and give you guys a bit
more time. There but, Yeah i'm also trying to make
the game move a clean, pace like it especially for
people like if you got killed night one and YOU'RE
i don't like a useless role or something like that
for a lot of, people like they aren't as engaged
with the game at that point because they feel like,
it or if you use your ghost, vote like you're
kind of just sitting, there you're just kind of hanging
out and you can still say, stuff of, Course BUT
i don't. KNOW i GUESS i am trying to make
the games Like i'd rather have three hour long games
than two hour and a half long games in the,
night you, know like that would be a preference for
me if we u with the time that we, have.
Speaker 2: Right, YEAH i, agree it's funner to be able to
like restart and you, know figure out a new situation and.
Everything AND i do agree THAT i think the like
here's your like, accusation here's sort of, defense and, honestly you,
know maybe it doesn't even necessarily need a time for
like other people to chime, in, like you, know maybe
if you want to chime, in do it at a different.
Time but that's kind of that's a hard one because
sometimes people do bring up really good, points but it
does just extend.
Speaker 1: EVERYTHING i think it's good as long as they are
talking about the, accusation but so many times it's like
starts out as, like, oh, yeah this Person's jessica's on the.
BLOCK i want to just we shouldn't vote for just
so because here's these three people that are colluding and
we would actually vote for. This it's like, no, no,
no keep it. Relative just JUST i get. It you're
trying to get just off the, block you, know that
kind of. Thing but at the same, time sometimes the
conversation gets like really far away from like the actual
thing at. Hand BUT i also think that like the
more time you, give the harder it is for evil.
Team like the you, know there's more good people that have, information,
right and so the more they can like connect all that,
INFORMATION i feel like you're probably just gonna get like
good winning every. Game and So i'm trying to find that,
balance right OF i, MEAN i ideally for, me every
game is a final three and is a nail, bier,
right because those are the most, exciting like you, know high,
risk high reward kind of. Things and so Obviously i'm
following the rules as a. Storyteller i'm not like cheating
to make those things. Happen BUT i don't, KNOW i
think that. IS i think with the pace that we
have it at right, now like we are pretty close
to a fifty to fifty win, rate like regardless of,
script regardless of like whatever. Session like, overall like our
group is pretty close that fifty to fifty, rate which
is for me a win as a.
Speaker 2: Storyteller and there's definitely been some more LIKE i don't
know who, won like even after the final, vote it's
like did we get? Them like because people won't, react
there's no like yeah we did it or anything like.
That it's just like waiting for the you, know the
little circle to appear red or. Blue so, yeah, YEAH
i don't. Know it's, Honestly i'm, LIKE i don't remember
how you even found this, originally But i'm so glad you.
Did it's like one of the THINGS i look forward,
to like every.
Speaker 1: Weekend, YEAH i MEAN I i THINK i shared this
briefly when we were playing on last. Weekend BUT i
discovered it through like there was a YouTube series that
Was survivor players Playing blood on the Clock tower AND
i watched a few of, those AND i was, like,
oh this is. GREAT i, Mean i'm so Into survivor
and so having like one just Like survivor players who
weren't on the same, season like crossing over in this
weird way and just getting like a, good like two
three hour long. Video the ONES i watched are like
really well edited. Too if you want to check them,
out You, SHOULDAH i think you'd really enjoy them because
you also Like survivor and now Love blood on the Clock.
Tower SO i watched a bunch of, those, uh and
then she was, like, OH i want to play this.
Game and then since Then i've checked out a couple
other channels who do, uh, Dude blood on the Clock tower.
Games those are fun like ones that are like really
highly well. Produced those are. Fun, YEAH i was, LIKE
i just want to try it. Out and Now i'm
just so freaking. Hooked and THEN i got roped into
This vancouver community and Now i'm like meeting a bunch
of new, people more friends and all sorts of stuff
and it's been just it's. Great it's been a great.
Community everyone's very chill and, fun even though it's a
game about lying to each, other which is.
Speaker 2: Funny, YEAH i MEAN i only slightly hold grudges towards
the PEOPLE i play. With mm, hmm only.
Speaker 1: Slightly, yeah you got you gotta have. SOME i, mean
there's definitely like a recurring. Medigame Like i've noticed in
like some of the online games That i've, played certain
people are just like always sust to, me regardless of
my alignment and so and but Then i'm, like the
next Game i'm in with that, Person i'm just gonna
go to them And i'm, like, Hey i've noticed this.
Thing you're always sussing, Me, like how can we be
on the same? Team what do you want for? Me
do you want me to tell you my? Character do
you want me to give you like three? Characters you
want me to lie to?
Speaker 2: You day?
Speaker 1: One i'll do whatever you. WANT i, got you. KNOW
i feel like there's a kind of a metagame between
people too of to especially as a. Storytellers i'm watching you.
Guys and then WHEN i finally got in, THERE i
was like just shot out of a can of, like,
OH i have so many. STRATEGIES i know how to
mess with all of you BECAUSE i know exactly what
you do when you're good or, bad Because i've been
watching from my gargoyle tower up, here so it's really
fun to finally jump in. There i'm glad That colton's
really into storytelling and we can kind of split it
half and half and we can both get in there and. Play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, YEAH i say it like at the end of every,
game But i'll throw it onto the podcast so everyone.
KNOWS i appreciate you hosting these all the, time so thank.
Speaker 1: You, YEAH i. Know i'm glad that everyone is taking
a liking to it because obviously we've had some friends
in the front group like play it like once or.
Twice i'm, like, ah it's a good, game and then
like they just don't want to play. Again but then
there's some people like every weekend they're, like, YEAH i
want to play this game again and again and. Again
Like that's WHY i was so happy When matt, joined because,
one he's just such an eclectic. Player he's so, intense
he's so, funny and he's just like in love with the.
Game now he just wants to play all the. Time
so he was a great person to add in the.
Group and so it just gets more and more. Fun
and it's fun like mixing groups, too because obviously some
of the people That i've pulled, in almost all of
them have like that you know that you guys don't know,
previously are have like played the game of a bunch
like they know. Stuff they're like into the meta game of.
It and my Friend nick when he's, playing because he's
played like hundreds of games and his story told hundreds of,
games like he's a master of this, thing and he's, like,
man it's so fun playing with their group because there
was like there is no meta or like the meta
is like in its you, know the rent of the
early the classical era or, whatever and you guys don't
have all these like things figured out. Yet and so he's, like,
man this is this is so. DIFFERENT i love. It
like people are so. Cagey they don't lie to you as,
much but they just kind of tell you. Nothing it's
like it's different than playing games with like veteran players
who have already like thought about three ways that they
can lie about what their role is and then reveal
on day, three and because some people do. That, man
some of these. Games there's one GUY i like, him
but he like he never has told a truthful thing
on day, one and SO i don't even pick him.
Anymore on day, One i'm, like you're useless to, Me
like you're just gonna tell me, bullshit try and trick
me to give you. Information but Now i'm onto, him
and now he doesn't get anything from. Me so he's
gotta he's gotta switch it up or he's never getting
infro from.
Speaker 2: Me and the very first Time nick ever called, me he's,
like want to do a three for? Three and then
the entire NIGHT i was just like explained to me.
Stuff and then so we sat in a private chat
and he like explained it three for three or two
for two and like what people some people like say
it or they might not say or like they might
say like a night one, rule or they might say
like a reoccurring role and like and then we got
called back to town AND i was, LIKE i told you,
nothing but thank you for.
Speaker 1: Everything see he was the shepherd in that. Game that
was the role he had that.
Speaker 2: Game, yeah, Yeah i'm gonna look up that's what.
Speaker 1: You'll be when we're playing with the patrons and stuff
and they haven't played this game, before we're, like, oh
three for, three this is what this. Is but, YEAH
i Know bryce said that too when he. Joined he's, like,
man you're your friends don't know a three for. Three
this is. CRAZY i have to like reinvent my. Strategy
this is normally WHAT i. Do But I'm I'm i'm
so so on the three for. THREE i JUST i
can't remember all these things and somebody people just lie,
Anyway so it's, like what's even.
Speaker 2: The POINT i don't like?
Speaker 1: It, yeah it's not my. FAVORITE i. CAN'T i can't
remember ALL i, barely especially like you Think i'm being
to remember the three you gave me four minutes from,
now that's not. Happening so, yeah that's.
Speaker 2: TRUE i know it's getting to the point WHERE i
actually need like a.
Speaker 1: Notebook To like, NOW i love how much it's in the,
app like how you can put custom notes and all that.
Stuff it's really. Nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah i've been really leaning into it the last
couple of, games as we've been getting into these bigger.
Speaker 1: Scripts, yeah. Definitely, WELL i MEAN i feel LIKE i
could talk about this game for hours as as could.
You but, yeah any any final clock tower thoughts or
things like that before we close it out, HERE.
Speaker 2: I feel LIKE i am excited to play On. Saturday
that looks like what's? Happening, Yep and, yeah a shout
out to someone who's probably a drunk right.
Speaker 1: Now, yes there's always. Drunk you gotta have a. Drunk someone's,
poisoning someone's. Drunk it's poisoned and.
Speaker 2: Drunk could could be a, village a drunk, village idiot and.
Speaker 1: A Drunk, yes all these things are very. Possible, yes great.
Game anyone hasn't played yet check it. Out it's. Amazing
thank You jessica for joining. Me this is a fun
one as always The queen of Co. Op thank you
everyone for. Listening we'll be back again next week as
we always. Are have a good one, bye