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<v Speaker 1>We're a fellow by the name of Benjamin. He's calling

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<v Speaker 1>from Australia. He's an Aussie and I'm so honored to

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<v Speaker 1>bring him to the microphones. Benjamin, you're on another side

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<v Speaker 1>of Midnight with the Lionel.

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<v Speaker 2>Lionel High. Yeah. I was driving city bus last night,

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<v Speaker 2>which is my time over here in Sydney, and I

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<v Speaker 2>had you streaming on the radio. I never said it before. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed it because I saw, Wow, this guy he's

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<v Speaker 2>like a lawyer, and he's practiced law and stuff, and

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<v Speaker 2>he knows he sings like a lawyer, so you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I tuned in today like I just brought

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<v Speaker 2>my son around this new sailing club because the sailing

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<v Speaker 2>season starts here soon and it's a whole new club

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<v Speaker 2>meeting all these different people. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>May I ask you a stupid question, good sir? What

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<v Speaker 1>time is it right now in Sydney?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Right now? It says that I'm an album four

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four pm.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that something? I just don't ask me why. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just fascinated. I'm just fascinating anyway. But this is so interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>You stream, you listen to us, How, by chance, per

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<v Speaker 1>chance did you happen to find our our humble show.

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<v Speaker 1>And and isn't it amazing to you how you can

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<v Speaker 1>hear something as clear as day being across the world.

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<v Speaker 1>I marvel at that, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>Look honestly, my father was an electrical engineer for the

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<v Speaker 2>sign company here in Australia. So I used to get

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<v Speaker 2>free fine cells to America since I was like sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>years old and I had a female friend. She was

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<v Speaker 2>chilling squad at.

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<v Speaker 1>Minnel you, Doug, really fly devil.

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<v Speaker 2>She's an girl, and he was right real, She's always

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<v Speaker 2>been a good girl. And I used to call her

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<v Speaker 2>when when I was sixteen. I used to call her

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<v Speaker 2>on the sign after I first met her. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>that's been calling New York now for thirty four years

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<v Speaker 2>from me. So I'll tell you about this court case,

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<v Speaker 2>right because I went into court because you, like you

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<v Speaker 2>were saying last night, oh yeah, just get a court

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<v Speaker 2>and it'll blow your mind all the crazy stuff you see.

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<v Speaker 2>And sometimes I do do that. And so I'm sitting

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<v Speaker 2>in court, you know, and it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was this is this is this is a case in Sydney, right, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, And you know they were weeks when you

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<v Speaker 2>get to the more senior lawyers they over here, they

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<v Speaker 2>wear weeks, so you know they're really they're like heavyweight boxes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they were weak. And anyway, the case, this

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<v Speaker 2>was the case. Right there's a lady sitting right next

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<v Speaker 2>to me, like I'm just a spectator, and she's sitting

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<v Speaker 2>right next to me. She's in a wheelchair, and she's

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<v Speaker 2>really upset, right, and because the kids, the young guy

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<v Speaker 2>that put her in that wheelchair that she I think

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<v Speaker 2>she had purposely fine legs to walk around on before

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<v Speaker 2>that she couldn't walk. She was in a wheelchair for life. Probably,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess he was just getting grilled by like the prosecutor,

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<v Speaker 2>which was, you know, a wig wearing barrister or lawyer

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. And I think even the barrister was going

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<v Speaker 2>a bit sussed on this guy, the prosecutor, because this

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<v Speaker 2>kid ruined her life. And I couldn't imagine as a

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<v Speaker 2>professional driver, because I've been a professional full time taxi

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<v Speaker 2>and bus driver for like well over a decade so

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<v Speaker 2>and I never ever put anyone remotely close, you know, like,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I couldn't understand what this kid was doing.

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<v Speaker 2>But from what I gather watching the court case, he'd

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<v Speaker 2>just come around it like a turn. He's rolling in

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<v Speaker 2>the car of all his young kind of nineteen year

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<v Speaker 2>old buddies, and you know they must have been goose

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<v Speaker 2>enough royally because this lady was just walking along next

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<v Speaker 2>to the cars in a perfectly safe place, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like when you come out shopping or whatever, and he

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of walk, you know, and and they had

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<v Speaker 2>no reason what to Like, I've been driving for so long.

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<v Speaker 2>I've driven twenty four hour taxi ships where I just

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<v Speaker 2>sleep like four hours at international airport before I load

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<v Speaker 2>up there and everything else. You're just driving delirious after

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two hours joke. And I've never done more than

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<v Speaker 2>just like, you know, very little, Like I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how you can put a lady in a wheelchair for live.

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<v Speaker 1>Unless what was the ultimate what was the ultimate outcomes

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<v Speaker 1>or what happened with his ultimately was was the left off?

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<v Speaker 2>He just got He just got a light wrap across

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<v Speaker 2>the knuckles, because what were you having. Defense lawyer came

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<v Speaker 2>with all these sub stories that he was got a

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<v Speaker 2>medal given to him by the Rural Firefighting Service and

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<v Speaker 2>he was the sister you know, all this nonsense, how

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<v Speaker 2>we you know, stood up for him and just garbage.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't believe it. What were you The lady was

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<v Speaker 2>sitting next to me, ready to murder this guy and

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<v Speaker 2>yelling out in open court or her fury, and the

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<v Speaker 2>judge just sat there and didn't stop her for contempt

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<v Speaker 2>or anything like. She just let it all slide.

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<v Speaker 1>May I asked you a question, what would what would

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<v Speaker 1>you have done? If I had said you didn't? Excuse me.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a special guest today in the courtroom. His

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<v Speaker 1>name is Benjamin. Benjamin, you get to sentence this fellow.

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<v Speaker 1>What would you have sentenced him to?

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<v Speaker 2>I put him in jail two years, and I would

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<v Speaker 2>for four years. Wow, I'd have to know the case. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean these are just my perception. So maybe there's

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<v Speaker 2>something wrong there. I'm just telling you my perception.

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<v Speaker 1>What you're bringing up the right. Well, the thing is

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<v Speaker 1>you're bringing up the idea of one of this idea

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<v Speaker 1>of called justice. I gave up on that years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what justice means. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>look at what happens. Two things happen. This is important.

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<v Speaker 1>There is the effect it has on the individual, and

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<v Speaker 1>then there's the effect that has on the people. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, if you're an individual and you are a criminal,

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<v Speaker 1>you can say, you know what, I don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>worry about it because I just received the medal and

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to let me off. And okay. However, if

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<v Speaker 1>I come to your fine city of Sydney and you

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<v Speaker 1>pick me up at the airport and you say listen,

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<v Speaker 1>bloke or whatever your name is, let me tell you

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<v Speaker 1>some whatever you do here, don't hit people with your car,

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<v Speaker 1>especially old ladies. They will hang you. You understand that.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't to do this.