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Speaker 1: journalist and author based out of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Tonight, I
Speaker 1: welcome back t krulos.
Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, thanks for having me back.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm very happy to have you back, Tea. And yes,
Speaker 1: your website t crulos dot com. You have Tea's Weird
Speaker 1: Week podcast. Lots of exciting new stuff as always.
Speaker 2: Right, Tea, right, always working on something?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and tonight the task at hand is
Speaker 1: for something uh newer that you have created. You You
Speaker 1: published a zine I believe is a correct way of
Speaker 1: describing this, but it's it's entitled Political Monsters.
Speaker 3: What what is this? Ta?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a zine is also available as an ebook.
Speaker 2: It's a short, shorter piece, not a full length book
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 4: But it's about a.
Speaker 2: Kind of wild theory that I learned about and then
Speaker 2: expanded upon. I guess so, so, I guess I can.
Speaker 2: I can lead you through it if you want. How
Speaker 2: how this How I came across this story?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I'll just say briefly that you sent me
Speaker 1: Political Monsters.
Speaker 3: I read it.
Speaker 1: As you said, It's short, very quick, easy to read,
Speaker 1: uh interesting and interesting thing.
Speaker 3: What is this whole? Idea, Tea?
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I don't know exactly when this was, but
Speaker 2: it was I'm pretty sure it was right around the
Speaker 2: time Obama was going to be re elected for his
Speaker 2: second term, and I saw a theory that was posted
Speaker 2: on a website that talked about how during democratic presidential
Speaker 2: administrations we tend to get more vampire movies, while during
Speaker 2: Republican ones we get more zombie movies.
Speaker 4: And they kind of, you know.
Speaker 2: Gave some ideas as to why that is. And and
Speaker 2: the thing is, they kind of reflect our fears about
Speaker 2: the party in power. So, you know, for example, and
Speaker 2: I'm saying this is not my idea, but this is
Speaker 2: the lens that some people view these parties. You know,
Speaker 2: Democratic vampires are often depicted as not having traditional family values.
Speaker 2: Let's say that they're sometimes kind of kinky, depicted as foreigners,
Speaker 2: you know, they're from Transylvania, you know, bloodsucking, parasitic, whereas
Speaker 2: zombies kind of a mindless horde of conformists who are
Speaker 2: consuming everything in their path consumers. Right, And these articles
Speaker 2: kind of point out some key examples. The Reagan administration
Speaker 2: really kind of a golden age of zombie movies.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of classics like Evil Dead that came
Speaker 2: out during that period, whereas if you look at Clinton's
Speaker 2: presidency interview with a vampire, Francis Ford Coppola's production of Dracula,
Speaker 2: where some of the big blockbusters from that era. So
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is interesting and it kind
Speaker 2: of makes sense. And then I didn't really think much
Speaker 2: about it, Like it just got filed away in my
Speaker 2: storehouse of useless information in my head, I guess, and
Speaker 2: I really didn't think about it for you know, probably
Speaker 2: a decade. But then during Donald Trump's first administration, there
Speaker 2: was a year and I think it was twenty nineteen maybe,
Speaker 2: but the second part of the IT movies had come out,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the first Joker movie, which and both of
Speaker 2: those were you know, talked about a lot and box
Speaker 2: office successes, and I just started noticing that there was
Speaker 2: I was like, there's a lot of killer clown movies
Speaker 2: right now, isn't there? Look, there are usually are this many.
Speaker 2: And so I wrote at that time in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: and it was this kind of off the cuff. I
Speaker 2: didn't really put a lot of research into it, but
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I think that Trump has broken
Speaker 2: the system, which makes sense because he's done it in
Speaker 2: so many other ways. You know, he's not a typical
Speaker 2: candidate at all in fact, people refer to his following
Speaker 2: as the Mega Party, not the Republican Party, even though
Speaker 2: that's what he ran under. And I was like, so,
Speaker 2: this makes perfect sense to me right now, that this
Speaker 2: unusual candidate broke the system that we had, and now
Speaker 2: we have this new monster, the killer Clown. So I
Speaker 2: wrote that piece and I was like, ha ha, that
Speaker 2: was funny and kind of interesting and maybe true. And
Speaker 2: then again I didn't really think about it for a
Speaker 2: few years until we were in the Biden administration. And
Speaker 2: then you know, over the last year of his presidency,
Speaker 2: we saw a bunch of movies like The Last Voyage
Speaker 2: of the Demeter Abigail, they did a remake of Salem's Lot,
Speaker 2: and of course his presidency. One of the big movies
Speaker 2: right towards the end of his presidency was a Nosferatu remake, and.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, that makes total sense.
Speaker 2: He's a Democrat and a classic democrat, so of course
Speaker 2: there's going to be a spike in vampire movies. And
Speaker 2: I was like, uh, oh, what's going to happen next
Speaker 2: if Trump's elected? I think we're going to swing back
Speaker 2: towards the killer clown movies. And sure enough, I mean
Speaker 2: it's early. Even though it's felt like it's been very
Speaker 2: long administration, already, we're still in the early days, and
Speaker 2: it looks like there are killer clown movies.
Speaker 4: Coming back.
Speaker 2: And you know, and again I think it fits, not
Speaker 2: just because he kind of broke the mold as a
Speaker 2: presidential candidate, but when you look at killer clowns are
Speaker 2: depicted as being very chaotic and unpredictable, and you know,
Speaker 2: those are definitely traits of the Mega Party.
Speaker 1: I think, yes, okay, I do when I think back
Speaker 1: to around twenty twelve, as you're saying the emergence of
Speaker 1: this initial seed idea of the vampires and the zombies
Speaker 1: that seems vaguely familiar to me. Yeah, but you're saying
Speaker 1: that the clown aspect with Trump, that's completely You came
Speaker 1: up with that idea. This is your brain child. The
Speaker 1: Trump clown thing is Yes, that's exciting. See, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I had realized that when even when I
Speaker 1: read your piece here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely can't take credit for the zombie vampire
Speaker 2: one because that's something that I read about. But I'm
Speaker 2: the one who integrated this new layer to the theory.
Speaker 1: What sort of have you gotten much reaction or do
Speaker 1: people have they gotten a hold of you with their
Speaker 1: thoughts on this, on your ideas with the clowns.
Speaker 2: I mean, the number one reaction that I've really gotten
Speaker 2: is that it makes total sense. And by the way,
Speaker 2: I should point out, when I initially wrote about this
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4: I didn't really have any data.
Speaker 2: I was just kind of making an observation, right, yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then as I worked on this Political Monsters publication,
Speaker 2: I was like, well, now you've got to go in
Speaker 2: and you've got to actually look at, you know, the
Speaker 2: number of films that have been produced every year and
Speaker 2: see if this is actually true. And I was not
Speaker 2: disappointed because I found that during Trump's first administration we
Speaker 2: had the single biggest spike of killer clown movies in
Speaker 2: film history. Yeah, much higher than normal, I believe, and
Speaker 2: I don't have the numbers right in front of me,
Speaker 2: but I believe it was about forty six killer clown
Speaker 2: movies in the four years.
Speaker 7: Of the Trump presidency.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: If you go back to like, you know, the the nineties,
Speaker 2: there was like ten killer clown movies made that entire decade. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: so it was noticeable, and of course you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of times you'll have a movie like It or
Speaker 2: Joker or Terrifier, and those are a big hits, so
Speaker 2: of course they spawn a lot of imitators. Yes, but yeah,
Speaker 2: there was locular clowns.
Speaker 1: Pretty wild and I believe twenty sixteen was the year
Speaker 1: that the what did they call it, the the clown
Speaker 1: incidents where they were popping up in public.
Speaker 2: That was the year that happened, right, yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Trump's first year. I love this And it was originally
Speaker 2: Wikipedia referred to this as the Great Clown Panic of
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, which is such a great title for this,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it was. It was a really weird fad
Speaker 2: that kind of culminated around Halloween of twenty sixteen, where
Speaker 2: there were reports of people dressed as scary clowns that were,
Speaker 2: you know, going out in public and frightening people, you know,
Speaker 2: jumping out of the woods with a machete, chasing people around,
Speaker 2: and it was it was kind of like a trend. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then after Halloween that year kind of started to disappear,
Speaker 2: but it was in the news a lot that year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a bizarre thing. I remember that quite clearly.
Speaker 1: And there's one of those nebulous things where you couldn't
Speaker 1: tell if this was actually happening or if people are
Speaker 1: just reporting it as happening, if the reports were like
Speaker 1: the real story, or I mean, I'm sure that people
Speaker 1: were copycatting and just like wearing clown outfits and actually
Speaker 1: doing it. So it was one of those odd sort
Speaker 1: of moments where you just question the very fabric of reality.
Speaker 1: It's like, is this fictional? Like what is happening here?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And it was very much, you know, life imitating art
Speaker 2: imitating life.
Speaker 4: I think that this incident inspired.
Speaker 2: Some of the movies, and some of the movies probably
Speaker 2: inspired people to dress up like a and run around
Speaker 2: their neighborhood scaring people.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, what about do you believe that there
Speaker 1: is an archetypical aspect to this? Is there, like you know,
Speaker 1: the is the fool or the clown? What do you
Speaker 1: think of that as an archetype Is that something that
Speaker 1: you get into.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the clown is symbolic of
Speaker 2: the menacing clown is really symbolic of the Trump era,
Speaker 2: the first one, and I think it's going to be
Speaker 2: symbolic of the second one too.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, it makes sense that something as consequential as
Speaker 1: the president of the United States.
Speaker 3: Would carry with.
Speaker 1: It some sort of archetypes, like if an archetype was
Speaker 1: attached to a presidency or in this case, even like
Speaker 1: a political party.
Speaker 3: I mean that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I mean that's whenever.
Speaker 1: Going back to even the original the vampires zombies, it
Speaker 1: just immediately takes me there. And I know, I, for one,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, this is there's something to this. And
Speaker 1: then you go about in political monsters like making your
Speaker 1: graphs and saying like, well, I tallied up all the
Speaker 1: movies in this administration. In this administration, You've got like
Speaker 1: that little charts there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and you know, the data overall reflects it
Speaker 2: very well. So you know, I went back the furthest
Speaker 2: I went back was that Nixon administration because that was
Speaker 2: when Night of the Living Dead came out, which is
Speaker 2: it's not the first zombie movie, but it's it's the
Speaker 2: most classic depiction of zombies as we kind of see
Speaker 2: them depicted today, the sort of slow moving horde of
Speaker 2: the undead, hungry for brains. So I started there and
Speaker 2: then kind of went through all the presidents since, and
Speaker 2: you know, it checks out. Like Carter there was, there
Speaker 2: was more vampire movies and zombies, but then during the
Speaker 2: Reagan and Bush administrations, for the first time ever, there's
Speaker 2: more zombie movies than vampire ones. And then in uh,
Speaker 2: you know, Clinton, it balances back out to more vampires
Speaker 2: than zombies.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's pretty wild.
Speaker 1: With a recent example, at the very end of the
Speaker 1: Biden administration, it's almost like they just fit in the
Speaker 1: remake of Nosperratu just in time.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was kind of the swan song of his presidency.
Speaker 2: I feel like, like one more, one more vampire movie
Speaker 2: for you to go out on, you know, because it
Speaker 2: came out, you know, Christmas Day.
Speaker 3: So yeah, the very end of the year. That's the end.
Speaker 4: And he had less than a month in his presidency.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was a big movie too, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was a box office hit. It's
Speaker 2: been talked about quite a bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The other interesting thing about Biden and I found a
Speaker 2: very strange correlation to this. During Jimmy Carter's one term presidency,
Speaker 2: there were a lot of Dracula inspired movies, Dracula specifically,
Speaker 2: and I think the reason for that at the time
Speaker 2: was Dracula had come into public domain not too long
Speaker 2: before that. Okay, so there was a lot of like
Speaker 2: low budget movie makers who are like, oh, we can
Speaker 2: use the name Dracula. Now, let's slap that into our
Speaker 2: movie title because everyone knows who Dracula is.
Speaker 4: Gives it a little bit more clout, like.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is a classic vampire story, even though it
Speaker 2: some like terrible low budget thing. And Werner Herzog remade
Speaker 2: No Sparatuka during Carter's administration, so he's a one term president,
Speaker 2: there's these Dracula movies and a No Saratu remake. Fast
Speaker 2: forward to Biden one term president, No Sparatu remake, and
Speaker 2: a lot of those movies I mentioned last Voyage of
Speaker 2: the Demeter, Renfield, Abigail. Those were all fun out of Dracula, right,
Speaker 2: They all tie into the Dracula story. So it's an
Speaker 2: interesting correlation there between Carter and Biden. And also I
Speaker 2: feel like because Biden was so old that they were
Speaker 2: trying to tap into the ancient, the most you know,
Speaker 2: well known old vampire story there is.
Speaker 1: Dracula, sure sure, sure yeah, And No Sveratu has clout
Speaker 1: as a movie for being like the first vampire movie.
Speaker 1: Really the Silent Era, so that that goes right with
Speaker 1: that idea.
Speaker 2: And also if people didn't know it is, it's pretty
Speaker 2: much the story of Dracula, the first film, the No
Speaker 2: Sparatu film. It was originally it's going to be called Dracula,
Speaker 2: and it was going to be a film aptation of that,
Speaker 2: but then they realized that they were going to get
Speaker 2: sued for copyright infringement or something, and so they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: let's change the names. So, you know, they change the
Speaker 2: title from Dracula to No Sparatu, and Count Dracula became
Speaker 2: Count Warlock, and they change you know, the other names too.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, I mean it's it's interesting to that
Speaker 1: as a movie is just fascinating on its own. No Sparatu,
Speaker 1: and it's like being such a classic and iconic. Are
Speaker 1: you a fan of all of these horror movies yourself?
Speaker 7: Team I am.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not a horror super fanatic, and I'm
Speaker 2: really kind of squeamish with gore, so I don't really
Speaker 2: like to watch like Terrifier or or some of these
Speaker 2: more gruesome horror movies. But I have a very deep appreciation,
Speaker 2: especially for the classics because my dad was real big
Speaker 2: into sci fi and classic movies, so I watched a
Speaker 2: lot of the classic universal monster movies with him, like
Speaker 2: The Wolf Man and Dracula and Creature from the Black
Speaker 2: Lagoon and all that good stuff. And so now, you know,
Speaker 2: I certainly enjoy a lot of horror movies and watch them,
Speaker 2: but you know, I'm not I'm not super into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, got it. Yeah that almost what you just said.
Speaker 1: I feel is very similar to me, because I the
Speaker 1: gory stuff is a bit much usually, and I like
Speaker 1: certain horror movies and it seems like, yeah, the classics
Speaker 1: like No Spiatu and things like that are the ones
Speaker 1: that are a lot of fun for me.
Speaker 3: But uh, what what do you believe is going on here?
Speaker 3: T Is there.
Speaker 1: Something more to this in your estimation? Is this just
Speaker 1: something that happened by chance? Is there something going back
Speaker 1: to archetypes or is it something different?
Speaker 3: What's what's your idea on.
Speaker 2: Well, the part that really makes sense to me is
Speaker 2: that horror movies, especially the good ones, just really reflect
Speaker 2: the state of the world that we're in at any
Speaker 2: given time. You know, So if you if you look
Speaker 2: at like Knight of the Living Dead, he hasn't said
Speaker 2: George Romero, who is the director, hasn't said that it's an.
Speaker 4: Allegory for the Vietnam War.
Speaker 2: But I mean a lot of people have interpreted that way,
Speaker 2: and maybe subliminally that was one of his messages, you know,
Speaker 2: a commentary on war. So I mean that that part
Speaker 2: of the sery it does kind of mean makes sense
Speaker 2: to me. You know, people are afraid of Democrats for
Speaker 2: whatever reason, and that's reflected in the horror movie, same
Speaker 2: with Republicans.
Speaker 4: So I think.
Speaker 2: Subliminally those movies are trying to be social commentary.
Speaker 1: And it's probably it's do you think it's likely that
Speaker 1: the creators aren't doing this intentionally or do you think
Speaker 1: that they're doing it intentionally? What do you think that
Speaker 1: the balance between intention and just it kind of just
Speaker 1: happening subconsciously is.
Speaker 4: I think it's maybe a little bit of both.
Speaker 2: I think some aren't aware of it as a subconscious
Speaker 2: thing that they're tapping into, kind of like getting a vibe,
Speaker 2: you know, like now seems like a good time to
Speaker 2: do a vampire movie, you know, and they're maybe not
Speaker 2: aware of like where some of those subliminal feelings are
Speaker 2: coming from.
Speaker 4: But I don't know. I think especially.
Speaker 2: People are kind of, you know, maybe tapping into the
Speaker 2: sery a little bit more literally. And like I say,
Speaker 2: the other thing is success often breeds imitation, so people
Speaker 2: are like, yeah, I don't know why this is, but
Speaker 2: the Killer clown movies are hot right now, so you know,
Speaker 2: let's get some clown makeup and and get to work
Speaker 2: here people.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely how the Hollywood movie system has worked traditionally,
Speaker 1: is like if something comes along, it does well, somebody
Speaker 1: else does it. That's just how it works. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: that's just like a business aspect of that. So we
Speaker 1: can be sure that that is definitely happening. But I
Speaker 1: think some of the deeper stuff is probably at play
Speaker 1: as well. Going back to the origins of this original
Speaker 1: idea in twenty twelve, twenty twelve was a year that
Speaker 1: has an aura to it as well. Even to this day,
Speaker 1: people remember twenty twelve as the year that the world
Speaker 1: was supposed to.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the Mayan apocalypse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this this idea, do you know it's your
Speaker 1: memory that it generally came from that time period?
Speaker 3: Are you aware? Can you remember.
Speaker 2: It was definitely during the Obama administration. I think towards
Speaker 2: the end of his first or beginning of his second term.
Speaker 2: There is when the series kind of it started to circulate.
Speaker 2: And again, you know, kind of like my initial Trump thing,
Speaker 2: It originally was just kind of an off the cuff observation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you.
Speaker 2: Noticed that, you know, Obama's president. Have you noticed that
Speaker 2: there tend to be more vampires during democratic admission?
Speaker 1: And this was an idea that was never attributed to
Speaker 1: a person like this person came up with It's one
Speaker 1: of those things that's just is like a conversation that's
Speaker 1: going on mainly online presumably, but it's just a conversation
Speaker 1: more than it's attributed to a person, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was able to track it down to
Speaker 2: there was a writer for the San Diego Union Tribune, okay,
Speaker 2: and he had written again kind of like an.
Speaker 4: Off the cuff observation of this.
Speaker 2: I don't know that he is the first person to
Speaker 2: ever come up with this, but he was the first
Speaker 2: person I could find that had written something about it, Okay.
Speaker 2: And then his piece kind of got picked up by
Speaker 2: other websites like huff Post and there was even there
Speaker 2: was like a website called like Interesting Science or something
Speaker 2: like that. And they had done some analysis of films
Speaker 2: and were able to be like, yeah, it kind.
Speaker 4: Of checks out.
Speaker 2: If you look at the number of zombie films from
Speaker 2: this year versus a number of vampire ones, it does
Speaker 2: kind of check out.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I find this fascinating because it kind of gets to
Speaker 1: the root of this as a topic and whatever substance
Speaker 1: we might get out of that. So it's like that
Speaker 1: guy's article may have been. You could say it was
Speaker 1: like the seminal work or something, but even if you
Speaker 1: call it that, clearly the conversation and the idea itself
Speaker 1: becomes something much bigger, and almost immediately when it's put
Speaker 1: out there, and then surely the message boards online people
Speaker 1: are talking about it, and that's how it becomes a
Speaker 1: recognized concept to people. I mean, you can say this
Speaker 1: always happens, but you know, I'm getting it right.
Speaker 2: This is a really good example of it because it's circulating,
Speaker 2: and as it's circulating, people are adding their own spin
Speaker 2: on it a little bit, you know, and their own observation.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, here's a good piece that I read,
Speaker 2: and yeah, did you notice that in the eighties it's
Speaker 2: the first time that there's more zombie movies than vampire ones.
Speaker 2: So it kind of was a theory that developed as
Speaker 2: it began to circulate around, which I think is great.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The interesting thing about a story with legs is it
Speaker 2: kind of changes and evolves as it's moving around.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's we as a people telling a story about
Speaker 1: our situation, our reality, which similar you could say, that's
Speaker 1: what politics is in a sense. Yeah, is us like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what we're doing. This is how we're doing it.
Speaker 1: We're doing it. We're electing these people to fulfill our wishes.
Speaker 1: Am I reading too much into this?
Speaker 2: So no, I don't think so, I don't think reading
Speaker 2: too much into it.
Speaker 4: No, I think that's you're right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, So we live in a world where we
Speaker 1: may be atomized in the modern world, certainly we are,
Speaker 1: but that does not change the fact that we are
Speaker 1: a We are a collective species that you know, we
Speaker 1: work together, we live together, and certainly any big ideas
Speaker 1: that any of us entertain are ones that are shared.
Speaker 1: So we live in a shared reality. And this almost
Speaker 1: comes back to the clown incident of twenty sixteen, like,
Speaker 1: and there's the mystery there. The mystery continues to be like, well,
Speaker 1: did that even happen?
Speaker 3: How many people were out on the streets as clowns?
Speaker 3: How like?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I guess the the interesting thing that makes me
Speaker 1: wonder is is the story? Is the story always the
Speaker 1: most important thing? And the way that we tell it
Speaker 1: is that always what we should be giving precedent to.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Should we be doing that tea?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh, I think so.
Speaker 4: I mean it's a it's a.
Speaker 2: Way to interpret what's going on around us. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's it's good to to tell and share
Speaker 2: those stories and to try to figure out what they're
Speaker 2: all about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And then and then inevitably, in doing so,
Speaker 1: it seems like we always would you say that there's
Speaker 1: a frustration that there is this sort of mystery inherent
Speaker 1: with all this, and that we we never never are
Speaker 1: we going to nail down a reason as to why
Speaker 1: the clown incident in twenty sixteen it happened or what
Speaker 1: it was. There's no way we're going to come up
Speaker 1: with like a hard and fast, like, uh, the reason
Speaker 1: why Trump has spawned these clown movies. Right, But that's
Speaker 1: not to say that it's not happening either. I think
Speaker 1: you're completely right and that it is. So what can
Speaker 1: we take from that?
Speaker 2: I mean, personally, I like the mystery a little bit.
Speaker 2: I like it when there's stuff that can't be figured out.
Speaker 2: It's always a little thrilling to me that there's still
Speaker 2: some mystery in the world. But I mean, I think
Speaker 2: there you know, it really is a commentary. It was
Speaker 2: really a commentary on his administration the first time around,
Speaker 2: and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 4: I'm curious his.
Speaker 2: Second term is much different than his first term was already. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: and he's bringing some I think new fears besides just
Speaker 2: the typical Trump chaos.
Speaker 3: You know, yes, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1: So do you believe there's a possibility that there could
Speaker 1: be even like a new genre of movies added into
Speaker 1: this insane below we're in or what?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something I thought about a lot leading up
Speaker 2: to election night. You know, I was I was very
Speaker 2: curious what would happen if Kamala had been elected, because
Speaker 2: you know, she would have been the first woman president,
Speaker 2: which is unique. So I was like, maybe we'll we'll
Speaker 2: see a lot more. But she's also you know, very
Speaker 2: established Democrat. I would say, you know, she's been part
Speaker 2: of the party for a while she was a vice president.
Speaker 2: So I was like, maybe we'll see more lady vampire movies.
Speaker 2: I don't know, yea. And with Trump, like I say,
Speaker 2: there's some indications that the clowns are coming back, but
Speaker 2: because this is so different, it might we might see
Speaker 2: it evolve in a different direction. You know, there's I
Speaker 2: think right now there's kind of fear of Elon Musk overreaching,
Speaker 2: so I don't maybe we'll have some tech bro clown movies.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting to see.
Speaker 1: Well, in the recent Joker film, the first one I
Speaker 1: know for sure, has the Joker sort of rabble rouse
Speaker 1: these malcontented masses that he gets as followers to just
Speaker 1: start going wild and tearing the entire you know, establishment
Speaker 1: of Godham City down? Like do you find that symbolic of.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well now you mentioned it.
Speaker 2: I hadn't really put much thought into that, But that
Speaker 2: movie came out in twenty nineteen, and then what happened
Speaker 2: January sixth, twenty twenty one, So I mean that was
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, a portent of what was going
Speaker 2: to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do remember the the reaction to the Joker
Speaker 1: movie being generally good among all sorts of people who
Speaker 1: were discontented with the system as they happened to see it,
Speaker 1: So that just seemed to be an average reaction to
Speaker 1: that movie.
Speaker 2: I recall, Yeah, it's funny, how what a positive reaction
Speaker 2: that movie got, I mean at the box office from
Speaker 2: critics and from you know, people who watch it compared
Speaker 2: to the sequel, which is not not had the same reception.
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you seen the sequel? I haven't watched that one.
Speaker 4: I have not seen it yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of those ones that, like it came
Speaker 1: out and it was just pans so bad it makes
Speaker 1: you go like, maybe I don't need to see What
Speaker 1: about the the idea? Have you ever thought of wrapping
Speaker 1: in this sort of new digital media phenomenon and maybe
Speaker 1: that as an analysis in the same sort of way,
Speaker 1: like what are YouTubers making more YouTube videos about during
Speaker 1: a certain presidential administration?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say that I view that as a
Speaker 2: flaw to the study.
Speaker 4: You know, when this study was first being developed.
Speaker 2: During the Obama administrations, media.
Speaker 4: Was was different than it is now.
Speaker 2: You know, you still mostly saw movies at the movie
Speaker 2: theater and you didn't have all these streaming services. So
Speaker 2: I should point that out that this only looks at
Speaker 2: movies vampire, zombie or killer clown movies.
Speaker 4: But I think, you know, everything has changed so much.
Speaker 2: And I did a short update on my blog on
Speaker 2: my website t cruils dot com for example. Uh, this year,
Speaker 2: there is going to be a TV series on HBO
Speaker 2: called Welcome to Dairy which ties into the IT movies.
Speaker 4: So that's going to.
Speaker 2: Be a TV show and yet it's part of that
Speaker 2: cinematic universe of the IT movies, you know, And that's
Speaker 2: very common now if you look at a lot of
Speaker 2: the Marvel TV shows that are part of the cinematic universe,
Speaker 2: you know, you can there connect to each other, same
Speaker 2: with like some of the DC like the Penguin is
Speaker 2: tied to the Batman movie. There's a Dune TV show
Speaker 2: that ties into the Dune movies. So a lot of those,
Speaker 2: like cinematic movies, are now a multimedia platform. So should
Speaker 2: you also consider a show like Welcome to Darry as
Speaker 2: being a killer clown? You know, I think that you
Speaker 2: would want to, But then again it'd be a very
Speaker 2: big project, bigger than I could do, but maybe someone
Speaker 2: else could do it. To break down not only movies
Speaker 2: but TV shows and like you say, you know, web
Speaker 2: shows and other stuff like that, so I think they
Speaker 2: should at least be considered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean that as an example just kind
Speaker 1: of points to the idea that, well, yeah, maybe this
Speaker 1: is just going to whatever the media happens to be.
Speaker 1: This phenomenon is continuing it or it appears to be
Speaker 1: with the with Dairy, So it would make sense that
Speaker 1: that is the case once again, if there is anything
Speaker 1: to what we're saying, and it just seems like there is.
Speaker 1: However intangible it is, it's there. I'm willing to say that.
Speaker 1: Now with your with your podcast Te's Weird Week, have
Speaker 1: you has this been like an ongoing thing to investigate
Speaker 1: the the political monsters?
Speaker 2: Uh no, because I've the podcast has been on.
Speaker 4: Hiatus for a little bit.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I haven't done it for a couple of
Speaker 2: years now, just because I was busy with some other
Speaker 2: projects and it just kind of got put.
Speaker 4: On the back burner.
Speaker 2: Me and my co hosts Heidi have talked about bringing
Speaker 2: it back, so I hope it it returns soon. So well,
Speaker 2: we talked about this, We did talk about this on
Speaker 2: the podcast during the you know, the end of the
Speaker 2: Trump administration. Twenty nineteen or twenty we talked about Okay,
Speaker 2: but I have not had a chance to talk about
Speaker 2: political monsters or anything like that.
Speaker 4: Because they're there.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, well I'm sorry. I did not even realize that.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's why I'm glad I'm on your show.
Speaker 2: Now I'm going to have a chance to talk about Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, this is great.
Speaker 1: I mean this is If you ever do have any
Speaker 1: interesting news on this topic, please do let me know,
Speaker 1: and you have an open invite to come back to you.
Speaker 3: I will tell you that about it.
Speaker 2: Thank you, And I will say I am now that
Speaker 2: you know I went through all this work and wrote this.
Speaker 2: It's definitely a story that I'm keeping my eye on.
Speaker 2: So anytime I see news of a Killer Clown movie
Speaker 2: that has release date, like, I'm making a note of that,
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm trying to keep track in real
Speaker 2: time as we go through these next four years and
Speaker 2: see what happens.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's time for a remake of Killer
Speaker 1: Clowns from outer space. That has to happen, right, I.
Speaker 2: Think it could happen, and now might be the time
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to suggest that anybody go to Vegas.
Speaker 3: But you know, if you were to.
Speaker 1: Wager that there's going to be a remake of Killer
Speaker 1: Clowns from Outer Space, I think might be in your favor.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, I mean I think that idea
Speaker 2: is a couple of strong things going for it. Number One,
Speaker 2: you know, the theory itself that Killer clown movies are
Speaker 2: going to be made because of Trump. And number two,
Speaker 2: I mean there's kind of a strong eighties nineties nostalgia. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know a lot of it, like people my age
Speaker 2: who have a fond memory of these movies from the
Speaker 2: eighties and so they're getting rebooted, remade and all that.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, Yeah, there's That was one of those films
Speaker 1: that I believe carries a lot of this. It has
Speaker 1: a lot of punching power with nostalgia because I remember
Speaker 1: it airing on TV a lot, and I feel like
Speaker 1: those films that they had on rotation on TV back
Speaker 1: in those days seem to have more sway in terms
Speaker 1: of this. That brings up their nostalgia level by quite
Speaker 1: a bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, you have a fond memory watching that on
Speaker 2: a Saturday afternoon or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly and.
Speaker 1: Going further with that concept, I kind of get the
Speaker 1: feeling when I see, like my kids watch YouTube videos
Speaker 1: now and I kind of project into the future. I'm
Speaker 1: like these weird like all these YouTubers that they know
Speaker 1: now because like the same ones will pop up, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy's doing his new video. I feel like those people,
Speaker 1: those YouTubers and even like obscure videos that they end
Speaker 1: up watching, will be nostalgic in the future. This may
Speaker 1: be off topic, but when we're talking about nostalgia, I
Speaker 1: can't help but think that there's going to be a
Speaker 1: new you know, that's going to continue with this new media.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, you know, people will be nostalgic for TikTok
Speaker 2: answers that they saw or something like that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, somebody in the chat rem I'm going to
Speaker 1: bring this up because I can't when I hear the
Speaker 1: term jugglo, I got to put it in there. Did
Speaker 1: the juggalos factor into this com phenomenon at all?
Speaker 3: And if so?
Speaker 5: How huh?
Speaker 4: That's a good question.
Speaker 2: I feel like they are their own separate phenomenon.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, And I yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't think that they.
Speaker 2: I'm not really thinking of a way that they tie
Speaker 2: in just because they've had such longevity. Now, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: they've been going strong through multiple presidencies of different parties.
Speaker 3: I believe.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing a statement from Violent Jay saying that
Speaker 1: he was going to that he basically is endorsing Kamala.
Speaker 2: Harris if I Yeah, yeah, recall that.
Speaker 3: So there was that.
Speaker 1: So that would kind of go be like, look, I'm
Speaker 1: not on board with the mega phenomenon. And then I
Speaker 1: don't know what this is worth. But quite a while back,
Speaker 1: I had a guy who was uh he was. He
Speaker 1: had this thing called Juggalos Against Trump. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: had him as a guest and he was really an
Speaker 1: interesting guy.
Speaker 3: I don't know what happened. I can't get a hold
Speaker 3: of him anymore.
Speaker 1: But that that's just another instance of like, well, it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like the jugglers. Sure they're clowns, but like
Speaker 1: you're saying, they are very distinct. They're their own thing,
Speaker 1: they're their own insular community. So they're kind of like
Speaker 1: a wild card. But aren't isn't the joker card card
Speaker 1: wild anyway? So that is anything game in this weird world? Now,
Speaker 1: like what how does this work?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say another thing about jugglos from what little.
Speaker 4: I don't know a lot, but.
Speaker 2: I've read, you know, some stuff about them, and I
Speaker 2: think a lot of them are not interested in politics
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but some some.
Speaker 2: I think that there are probably some conservative Jugglos and
Speaker 2: some more liberal ones, and like I say, in between
Speaker 2: a lot that don't care. It's kind of like punk
Speaker 2: punk rockers. You know, there's a lot of political punks.
Speaker 2: There are some like conservative punks too, but some who
Speaker 2: don't care. But I also and this is just I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of going off on a tangent here, but uh,
Speaker 2: I remember too the Jugglos had a million Jugglo march
Speaker 2: on DC.
Speaker 4: I forget when that was.
Speaker 2: Oh it must have been before the pandemic. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my memory is recent, but that probably means yeah,
Speaker 1: like five years ago when I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might be, it might be after.
Speaker 4: But the reason for it, and I'm pretty sure I'm.
Speaker 2: Remembering this correctly, is that the FBI or some other
Speaker 2: law enforcement classified them as a gang.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's it, and they were.
Speaker 2: They were pissed off about it because you know, they're
Speaker 2: they're not you know, they put them on a list
Speaker 2: of gangs with like ms thirteen and you know, La
Speaker 2: Cosa Nostra and stuff like that. But they there wasn't
Speaker 2: a million of them, I don't think, but they called
Speaker 2: the million Juggler.
Speaker 3: March, and I like the idea of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, So that was another day in Washington where
Speaker 2: you know, there there was not a million, but there
Speaker 2: was a lot of clowns.
Speaker 1: Now, see, now that you mentioned it, I'm hoping that
Speaker 1: this event happened during the Trump administration because it would
Speaker 1: fit into the greater story. You know, it could be
Speaker 1: another example of similar to the twenty sixteen clown incident.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, So.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping again, I don't have the information in front
Speaker 1: of me, now, yeah, boy, do I hope?
Speaker 3: What about have you taken.
Speaker 1: This concept to the streets of Milwaukee t Have you
Speaker 1: done any like live presentations with this?
Speaker 4: I did one.
Speaker 2: So I published Political Monsters as a zine, you know,
Speaker 2: classic self published photocopied zine. And my good friends own
Speaker 2: a bookstore here called Lion's Tooth, which is a really
Speaker 2: wonderful independent bookstore, and I actually I work there sometimes
Speaker 2: when they need someone to fill in for a day
Speaker 2: or something cool. You know, I'll work behind the counter
Speaker 2: for them for the day.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 2: So when this came out in October, of course it
Speaker 2: was a good time to talk about this. And I
Speaker 2: did a short presentation at the bookstore and talked talked
Speaker 2: about the theory to people, and they seem they seem
Speaker 2: to be again.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Overall, the reaction is kind of like huh, And I said,
Speaker 2: people are thinking that I'm doing like an Onion article
Speaker 2: or something. At first, you know, like this is a
Speaker 2: theory that I just made up to be funny. But
Speaker 2: then when I start breaking it down and like showing
Speaker 2: them some of the graphs, and they're like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know what this is, but there is something
Speaker 2: to it, because you know, the numbers show you that
Speaker 2: these movies go up and down depending on the administration.
Speaker 2: So I think people are quite surprised and intrigued by it.
Speaker 1: It's all fun and games until T cru Crulos becomes
Speaker 1: ross Perot and gets the pie charts right.
Speaker 3: It starts presenting you with the grass It's all new.
Speaker 1: Political monster concept right there. But yes, T, this has
Speaker 1: been awesome. I'm really glad that you came back and
Speaker 1: and we have another hour in the next hour on
Speaker 1: the Jelly Radio Network, this becomes Uncle the Podcast. Would
Speaker 1: you like to stay on for that hour?
Speaker 2: Team, Yeah, sounds great, sounds fun.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to keep you on. Then you will
Speaker 1: be the guest on Uncle the Podcast and that's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: We'd love to have you.
Speaker 1: But before we end the age of transitions here, what
Speaker 1: what would you Where can people find political monsters and
Speaker 1: maybe any other work that you want to direct people
Speaker 1: to as well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, great place for that is to go to my
Speaker 2: website t creulos dot com. That's T e a k
Speaker 2: r u l o s dot com. And I've got
Speaker 2: information about all of my books. There's links to places
Speaker 2: you can buy them. I wrote a column called Tea
Speaker 2: is Weird Week, which used to be weekly. Now it's
Speaker 2: just kind of whenever I have time to do it.
Speaker 2: But there's also information on any upcoming appearances I might
Speaker 2: be doing and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: All right, great, t crulos dot com. Everybody please do
Speaker 1: check it out. Once again, thank you T for being here.
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Speaker 3: My name is Aaron.
Speaker 1: I'm the nephew in law. Here it means to start
Speaker 1: the show Uncle.
Speaker 16: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, two three hundred and sixty the
Speaker 16: sixty marker.
Speaker 3: We've done a full circle, full circle on it now.
Speaker 16: This is the first we made it on the sixty
Speaker 16: more and I believe we have a guest tonight.
Speaker 17: Tea, Yeah, tea, I mean track of James him about
Speaker 17: welcome to welcome Kulo Kulo, yeah, kulo.
Speaker 7: Excuse me?
Speaker 3: What's up to?
Speaker 7: What's happened to you? So?
Speaker 3: Uh what is your business?
Speaker 7: And uh hang it away?
Speaker 2: Oh you know on this uh writer freelance writer, author,
Speaker 2: hang it out?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So t is an excellent writer.
Speaker 1: I just had him on Government Hour a little bit
Speaker 1: of it and we did actually speak a little bit
Speaker 1: about the government I did.
Speaker 16: I know that's dumb clap yeah, but you know, Uncle,
Speaker 16: I call it, I call his dumb clap for your information.
Speaker 7: That's dumb clap.
Speaker 6: Okay, here's dumb crap.
Speaker 7: But you know, T.
Speaker 9: Crulos actually wrote about vampires and zombies too, and he
Speaker 9: was talking about vampires and zombies.
Speaker 7: I want to hear about that.
Speaker 6: That's the thing now.
Speaker 9: He and they wrote about that with some government hour
Speaker 9: stuff in it. So it's got a little bit of
Speaker 9: both going on.
Speaker 7: See. Oh, I didn't know that, but I mean to
Speaker 7: I thought we.
Speaker 6: Should explain that.
Speaker 16: The vampires for the information. I just I watched them
Speaker 16: on the TV and stuff, and so I like to
Speaker 16: watch that. I like to watch that, the the vampire
Speaker 16: kind of movies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so what's your what's your favorite vampire movie?
Speaker 7: There you go. The one last one that I saw.
Speaker 16: Vengeance Vengeance was it was this a new movie on
Speaker 16: no vengeance with the girl and the guy.
Speaker 7: What was this?
Speaker 3: A classic film?
Speaker 7: You of it?
Speaker 9: You see being for Vendetta and you think it's a
Speaker 9: vampire movie. Maybe d D start it with D vampire
Speaker 9: vampire hunter d Okay.
Speaker 16: Something that's a something something that's I forgot the name
Speaker 16: of it, but but it was something like that.
Speaker 7: And and she they met this he doesn't she doesn't
Speaker 7: know he's a vampire yet, and.
Speaker 3: This was how the story started. I see, I say,
Speaker 3: so that sound familiar to you?
Speaker 2: Is it me?
Speaker 4: Sounds like a classic vampire story for sure.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's actually on.
Speaker 16: It's on uh Netflix streaming streaming Netflix too. I think
Speaker 16: I can't look it up. You can probably look for it. Yeah,
Speaker 16: it's definitely on it.
Speaker 9: No weird thing going on, uncle. I know you like
Speaker 9: to hear about the international listeners. And I'm interrupting you,
Speaker 9: but I need to interrupt because we have a really
Speaker 9: unusual uh listener tonight in China.
Speaker 3: Who this be?
Speaker 6: I have no idea.
Speaker 9: I'm just I'm seeing someone new stream in China. I've
Speaker 9: never seen that before.
Speaker 16: That's another thing. When I get on my show, I
Speaker 16: always always get somebody new.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 7: I mean it's constantly somebody comes to my show his.
Speaker 9: Well Friday night. Now, hang on, let's they don't want
Speaker 9: to listen to no government now, uncle, Uncle, you gotta.
Speaker 6: Be fair talking.
Speaker 7: I'm talking about I'm talking to Tea now, missus like
Speaker 7: mister pick I know, but I gotta tell you so
Speaker 7: I listen.
Speaker 9: You want to be correct when you say stuff. Now,
Speaker 9: Germany's been listening to us since my show started.
Speaker 6: At eight o'clock.
Speaker 9: Okay, I'm just saying it's not just you, it's not
Speaker 9: just you, but the China one is new for you.
Speaker 9: But we got people in Canada listening. We got people
Speaker 9: in the UK listening right now. It's kind of early
Speaker 9: in the morning there, I think, And yeah, all over
Speaker 9: the US, but yeah, Canada, Canada, three, Canada one, one, Germany,
Speaker 9: that same one. He's been on for three hours and
Speaker 9: thirty four minutes actually, and uh yeah, somebody listening in China.
Speaker 9: It's weird and all over America, but no longer is
Speaker 9: America recognized states for example.
Speaker 7: I would like to know if they ever tell their
Speaker 7: names or.
Speaker 3: I think those are just locations.
Speaker 7: Yeah, a location.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's I mean, that's good enough.
Speaker 6: And if you look at the other streams like X
Speaker 6: or whatever.
Speaker 3: I don't know if Aaron can see.
Speaker 6: Where those listeners are because I.
Speaker 9: Don't have that stream.
Speaker 6: I'm just looking at my stream, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, exactly, this goes out.
Speaker 7: I've got a job to do.
Speaker 16: I got something for him to do. I t you
Speaker 16: got a job now, Okay, what he's doing, You're gonna.
Speaker 3: Do what Chuck's doing. Yes, I'm gonna do the producing stuff.
Speaker 6: No, No, the he wants you to find out what
Speaker 6: countries are listening these detail.
Speaker 16: And you can do that, okay, since see we can
Speaker 16: those crazy machines. I do not look machines. I guess
Speaker 16: you want show.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're the hoster talent. He's just the talent, Aaron.
Speaker 6: No machines for him, just talent.
Speaker 7: That's just right, T.
Speaker 6: I mean you understand that you gotta let talent be talent,
Speaker 6: right T.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not good at technical stuff either.
Speaker 16: Two of us puts together. But these two do know.
Speaker 16: The one that you're listening to today on that side
Speaker 16: and this one on in this side. They both know
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Speaker 7: That's why I'm making them. I'm making him wise too.
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Speaker 7: Oh, yes, Green Bay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're a Bay fan that would get into this.
Speaker 3: Is that true? T? Are you a Green Bay fan?
Speaker 4: I don't follow football so much, but you know I
Speaker 4: am in spirit.
Speaker 7: Yes, well I don't follow that. I can understand, but
Speaker 7: I can understand that.
Speaker 16: But I was just saying, you're just saying movies from
Speaker 16: and that's got my attention.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how is how is everything in Milwaukee right now?
Speaker 2: Okay there, it's good.
Speaker 4: It's very cold right now.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, kind of dreary and cold and a
Speaker 2: little bit of snow, but but not bad.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: This is that portion of the year where you're just
Speaker 1: blanding winter to end and you're pushing through and you're like,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be over, and when it is, I'll be
Speaker 1: able to go outside again.
Speaker 7: Exactly after the football season.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 16: It usually starts ending with of course these guys on
Speaker 16: the other end.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, the the football stuff. Yeah, and they at
Speaker 7: once it's over and done with that, it's done for
Speaker 7: the summer. Sure it's done for the winter.
Speaker 1: We don't even have to worry about that cold weather
Speaker 1: stuff because we've been in California, southern California so long
Speaker 1: on call.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's like a whole other world out here.
Speaker 9: It's like it's like where I am, and there's no
Speaker 9: such thing as winter, you know, pretty much. Although we
Speaker 9: had snow this year in Atlanta, you know, just say,
Speaker 9: it's right, there's snow here in Georgia.
Speaker 6: H actually got to make into a little bit. We
Speaker 6: got a dusting. But that's the first time in all
Speaker 6: the years I lived here that I actually saw snow.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well I went to Ohio. I saw the snow.
Speaker 16: Did I took a door, I took the dogs to walk,
Speaker 16: slipped over the place, and I have I tell you,
Speaker 16: I have a bad knee.
Speaker 7: I cannot walking cold slipping.
Speaker 3: Thanks on better wrapping your slipping on the snow.
Speaker 7: Ice ice ice on the on the on the sidewalk,
Speaker 7: and it just it just fell down, fell down.
Speaker 9: I'm adding, I'm adding a skype caller now by the way,
Speaker 9: just I'm waiting for him to connect.
Speaker 3: Okay, great, great, all right.
Speaker 7: But remember we got him. I guess if you wanted
Speaker 7: to speak to you.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, well got questions for yeah, great.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was about the time of year where I'm like,
Speaker 2: why do I live here?
Speaker 4: Because it's so.
Speaker 9: I believe our skype caller is connected.
Speaker 7: Guys, I hold ont see who this is? Who is
Speaker 7: on this line? And on the comedy show? What is this?
Speaker 5: Greetings from beyond the ice walls?
Speaker 7: Wow, that's that's an none of the North North? Are you?
Speaker 7: We've got a pleasant for you?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 7: No, man, I call him?
Speaker 3: Is this nor Man?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 16: I can't remember his name, Robert Robin. We got this
Speaker 16: guy named Robin up here, and and we got h
Speaker 16: his name is t.
Speaker 7: H it's his name? Take away the te tuned off.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you remember ts uh from previously on the show, Robin,
Speaker 9: don't you.
Speaker 5: I'm familiar. I think I believe I follow on the
Speaker 5: on the social media.
Speaker 4: Actually awesome.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm not super familiar with his work, but
Speaker 5: I have heard him on Aaron's program in the past. Appreciate.
Speaker 5: I was appreciate when Aaron and Uncle have some guests.
Speaker 5: So thanks for coming on.
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, thanks for listening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Robin, do you remember the Phantom Patriot?
Speaker 5: Oh? Of course, yeah, yes, that's the.
Speaker 3: One that was the Yeah he wrote that book.
Speaker 5: Ah, yes, yeah, I'm i'm uh. That was a very
Speaker 5: fascinating one. Is that is that the guy who went
Speaker 5: into Bilamian Grove? Is that not correct on that one?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, yeah. Richard mccaffle and a ka the
Speaker 4: Phantom Patriot.
Speaker 5: These days he is deceased, okay, r R I P.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I've thought about him a lot.
Speaker 2: Over the last you know, a couple of years for sure, right,
Speaker 2: just because of you know, all this conspiracy stuff is
Speaker 2: in the news all the time.
Speaker 9: Well, plus I think Trump ripped him off. I think
Speaker 9: Trump ripped him off on one of those NFTs he
Speaker 9: did one of those collector cards, because it looks just
Speaker 9: like you know, he modeled it after the Pantom Patriot outfit.
Speaker 7: Did you see that?
Speaker 6: He's like in a wrestling ring, I think, in a
Speaker 6: superhero outfit and.
Speaker 7: He's just you didn't see that?
Speaker 6: Oh okay, I got Aaron, do you have that picture
Speaker 6: or do I gotta get it?
Speaker 1: I think that was in the chat room somebody dropped
Speaker 1: down to chatterman. See yeah, somebody definitely Trump as a
Speaker 1: superhero reminiscent of Richard for sure.
Speaker 3: Patriot get up.
Speaker 7: This get up looks like him. I can't say the wound,
Speaker 7: it's what he is.
Speaker 3: That guy, oh uncle T.
Speaker 1: Has not linked the Trump phenomenon with clowns.
Speaker 7: He that does fit the description. You're really good Tea,
Speaker 7: now that fits his description. That would fit his description exactly.
Speaker 5: He is saying. You're saying Maga is like the newest juggalo.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, well if you say it that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you say to that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely an insane clown posse, that's for sure.
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, you fit fit the description. Man, it's good
Speaker 16: if somebody ever did.
Speaker 1: That before, right, Tea is very insightful. I know the
Speaker 1: interesting topics he writes about. Just some of them, just
Speaker 1: a couple, right, go ahead?
Speaker 2: Sorry, Oh yeah yeah yeah, no, I'm I'm interested in
Speaker 2: all that stuff. Anything a little strange and unusual definitely
Speaker 2: appeals to me.
Speaker 7: Did you ever see that movie Stranger Things?
Speaker 16: Yeah, just for the curiosity, because we got we got
Speaker 16: them another one actually coming I know when, but we
Speaker 16: went through it.
Speaker 7: I have to go through for uh.
Speaker 16: I watch out friends because we have missus. Kick watches
Speaker 16: it as and and and and Rowan the Sun watches it.
Speaker 3: It's a big hit in this house.
Speaker 7: It's a big stranger things.
Speaker 5: Some interesting uh kats and Chilter type messages and that
Speaker 5: in that show, isn't it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was, but we knew.
Speaker 16: I knew at the end on the first part who
Speaker 16: the kill it was. Took a while to find out,
Speaker 16: but I said it was coming because I knew who
Speaker 16: it was.
Speaker 7: But there's some of them. If you look back, I
Speaker 7: haven't seen I've seen them different. Might have to be
Speaker 7: myself because I go into that revisited, I I might
Speaker 7: have missed us some thanks.
Speaker 5: Can I ask you, guys if you've seen this TV
Speaker 5: show speaking of vampires? It's it's called What We Do
Speaker 5: in the Shadows?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I get it. What's it on?
Speaker 6: I think that's what I was on FX Network?
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I watched on Hulu.
Speaker 7: I think. Ye.
Speaker 5: What did you think of that one? It's pretty funny,
Speaker 5: it is.
Speaker 2: I thought it was hilarious that this did the last
Speaker 2: uson of it this last year, and uh, I was
Speaker 2: sad to see you go.
Speaker 3: But it's.
Speaker 5: But you can still find it though, Uncle. It's out
Speaker 5: there much.
Speaker 9: Much like TV though the streaming and everything else nowadays.
Speaker 9: Even if it is on TV officially is stuff as
Speaker 9: an endpoint? They always like we're concluding the season, it's
Speaker 9: the last episode, the intention, no end of shows.
Speaker 6: It is the thing now it didn't.
Speaker 5: He's kind of good though. It's not like Lost, where
Speaker 5: they kind of drag it on forever.
Speaker 9: Something's going on too long and some things don't get
Speaker 9: long enough.
Speaker 6: It's always that way. But it's weird. It's not organic in.
Speaker 3: We're I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Like our graphics set up here is very exciting. I've
Speaker 1: just noticed a few I brought up, and we should.
Speaker 1: I think we need to ask T this question. T.
Speaker 1: Is there in Milwaukee, Wisconsin? And this better be a yes,
Speaker 1: but it's this isn't on you if it's not.
Speaker 3: Is there a.
Speaker 1: Mall sword shop somewhere in Milwaukee, Wisconsin?
Speaker 2: A mall sword shop?
Speaker 16: Yeah, we're into that because by fact, I just went
Speaker 16: to the mall and I bought me a shirt from
Speaker 16: the place.
Speaker 7: I tell you went through the place. And then and
Speaker 7: and I was with the little guy.
Speaker 16: Yeah yeah, and he and he was and he was saying,
Speaker 16: I was saying, let's ask him, is he does he
Speaker 16: remember us told you?
Speaker 7: I go up to the guy and say, do you
Speaker 7: remember us? No, yeah, I don't remember you. He's one
Speaker 7: of the warm people. To him. I told his son
Speaker 7: that the warm people.
Speaker 1: Let's so yes, so so so for us t the
Speaker 1: answer of whether we have a sword shop here in
Speaker 1: Riverside is yes.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 1: At Tyler Galleria there is Pure Blades, which is what
Speaker 1: is it. It's like a comic shop, but it also
Speaker 1: doubles as your one stop sort and knife shop.
Speaker 7: And knife shop. They got loads of stuff.
Speaker 10: This is weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just I've just kind of noticed as a
Speaker 1: phenomenon in a lot of malls that there tend to
Speaker 1: be like this shop where there's all these swords on
Speaker 1: the wall. And I've back in Ohio, I remember there
Speaker 1: being some of them in the malls, and I just
Speaker 1: would figure that maybe in Milwaukee there must be some
Speaker 1: mall with a sword shop in it.
Speaker 3: I would hope.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean I think that there used to be,
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 2: But the problem is in Milwaukee proper, a lot of
Speaker 2: the malls aren't gone now they've shut down or they've
Speaker 2: been like there used to be one downtown and now
Speaker 2: it's like an up end like food Court. Oh, there's
Speaker 2: not like your classic mall in Milwaukee. There are malls
Speaker 2: out in the suburbs, but they're a little too uptight
Speaker 2: to have something like a sword shop in it.
Speaker 4: So we are missing out.
Speaker 2: Here, is what I'm telling you.
Speaker 3: What a bummer.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, total bummer.
Speaker 2: But I remember when I was probably like twelve, I
Speaker 2: really loved the Ninja Turtles, and of course wanted to
Speaker 2: learn and then just do so I could be like them.
Speaker 2: And we had a really good martial arts supply shop
Speaker 2: in downtown Milwaukee where they sold like nun chucks and swords.
Speaker 4: I would go in there and.
Speaker 2: Bug the shop owner, like asking him like so many questions,
Speaker 2: and he was like, who are you kid? Why are
Speaker 2: you hanging out in my martial arts supply store? U
Speaker 2: sadly that place is long gone, but oh.
Speaker 3: Man, well, at least there was one that makes me
Speaker 3: feel a little better. It was the spirit and.
Speaker 7: Knowing he's had to have something like that in the store.
Speaker 3: I think I heard another phone ring.
Speaker 7: There was a phone on that we're gonna have to
Speaker 7: answer that. Okay, let's got that.
Speaker 16: Cool hold on anybody. So who's on the call? You
Speaker 16: on the comedy show?
Speaker 7: Who is this?
Speaker 3: Jimmy James, Jimmy welcome Jimmy James.
Speaker 18: And we've got a guess of mister tea, mister T yeah,
Speaker 18: mister mister T, Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 7: But answer some questions.
Speaker 19: The good way I do qush to form a Do
Speaker 19: you know what the big notable thing about the year
Speaker 19: two thousand Bohemian Grove event was? And was that, by
Speaker 19: any chance the year that this guy did that thing?
Speaker 2: The two thousand Bohemian Grove event. Oh oh, so that's
Speaker 2: the year that Alex Jones snuck into the grove, right,
Speaker 2: John Ronson snuck into the grove the same night, but
Speaker 2: with a different person, and John Ronson wrote about that
Speaker 2: in his book. Them and Alex Jones did a documentary
Speaker 2: called Dark Secrets of the Bohemian Grove. So Richard the
Speaker 2: Phantom Patriot actually saw Alex jones documentary and then he
Speaker 2: snuck into the Bohemian Grove in two thousand and two.
Speaker 7: Mm, there we go.
Speaker 3: Does that answer your question?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 19: I know about the year two thousand Bohemian Grove event
Speaker 19: was that was the first that's when they began admitting women,
Speaker 19: and the first woman they admitted was Hillary Clinton. That's
Speaker 19: why I'm just curious that that guy ran in there
Speaker 19: that particular year.
Speaker 6: Two years later, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two years later, and you're saying that's when they
Speaker 2: started admitting women as members of the club.
Speaker 19: Oh, yes, twenty five years ago. Now Hillary Clinton was
Speaker 19: the first one.
Speaker 7: Clinton.
Speaker 9: Since I'm not on the inside of it, I've heard
Speaker 9: reports like that. I can't verify it. I don't know
Speaker 9: any personally. I mean, but that's that's the word, you know,
Speaker 9: the word on the street, so to speak, right, Jimmy, Interesting.
Speaker 4: That's that's.
Speaker 3: Dang all right.
Speaker 19: And then my question our uncle is, Okay, I want
Speaker 19: a saber, and I want this thing to be made
Speaker 19: out of Damascus steel. However, and this seems to be
Speaker 19: some sort of trouble.
Speaker 7: Hmmm.
Speaker 6: A saber made of Damascus steel?
Speaker 3: Is this something that kills a vampires?
Speaker 7: It took huh?
Speaker 5: Does it trouble Jimmy that you don't want to spend
Speaker 5: five raps.
Speaker 19: I ain't gotta paid for it.
Speaker 7: That must be some.
Speaker 19: It's a ceremonial sword. And bizarrely they asked my one material.
Speaker 19: I don't even get. It's noting all the port and
Speaker 19: I'm just wondering why Damascus steel is so hard to
Speaker 19: find or what's to do well.
Speaker 5: Long time. It takes a long time to make.
Speaker 9: It's a composite. It's made of two different steels. That
Speaker 9: that's why it's uh and I guess it made. It
Speaker 9: makes it have a particular type of durability.
Speaker 5: And you know it looks really cool.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that that's.
Speaker 4: All the way they were the best.
Speaker 3: Hm hmm, Well I want one now. I barely even
Speaker 3: know what it is.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's your sword question, Robin.
Speaker 5: I'm wondering if Uncle has ever brought his Knights of
Speaker 5: Columbus sword into the sword shop to show it off.
Speaker 7: No, not yet. What I want to do I want
Speaker 7: to see the owner of that place again to show them.
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's that, defend them and that will get him
Speaker 16: straight to say, hey, I've asked you one thing, can
Speaker 16: you do it here?
Speaker 7: And then I'm trying to push sight a kit to
Speaker 7: do something.
Speaker 3: So t our guest knows.
Speaker 1: A dream of ours here at Uncle the Podcast has
Speaker 1: been to go to Pure Blades, speak to the proprietor
Speaker 1: and maybe nagle a live Uncle the Podcast event inside
Speaker 1: the store. That's what we wanted to do, That's what
Speaker 1: we would really love to do, love.
Speaker 16: To do for one for one Friday night. Yeah, and
Speaker 16: then we just bring it. We get some stuff, we
Speaker 16: can bring our stuff.
Speaker 3: You've done similar things, right tea.
Speaker 2: That's good because you know, you you can get a
Speaker 2: sense of the environment in a place.
Speaker 7: That's the thing.
Speaker 2: You can talk to people who come into the store
Speaker 2: ask you know, are you interested in? Why are you here?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 7: And that's what that's the reason I like something to
Speaker 7: do that. That's exactly you got it.
Speaker 16: What I want to be to find people, new people
Speaker 16: and things that come into the store.
Speaker 1: And well we could be we could say, hey, look
Speaker 1: you're in the short shop. You need a sword. Clearly
Speaker 1: you would need a podcast to listen.
Speaker 3: To as well.
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, And that's why I want to get a
Speaker 7: right way. Talking about cards, Yeah, get some more, get
Speaker 7: some more cards. Yeah, because I get.
Speaker 16: Because we're gonna get those and then I'm going to
Speaker 16: pass them out to them. So what I do is
Speaker 16: I take a load to cards and I'll pass them
Speaker 16: out to them.
Speaker 5: Do you do that to you?
Speaker 1: Do you have a business card? Do you hand out
Speaker 1: to people? Is that a regular thing for you?
Speaker 2: I used to and I need to get some more
Speaker 2: made because I ran out.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's exactly with him. That's what I'm paying to him.
Speaker 3: That's all I've in trouble with uncles.
Speaker 7: That's the main thing with him.
Speaker 5: I can you guys, I got a stash.
Speaker 3: Oh Uncle cards.
Speaker 5: That's some Uncle cards. Let's still in my collection.
Speaker 7: Wow, how many you saved?
Speaker 5: I probably got a couple of dozens.
Speaker 7: You're not giving out many?
Speaker 5: Well I could, I could go. I'm pretty sure what
Speaker 5: would tune into that. I'm not not willy nilly about Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can serve those cards. Yeah, I think it would
Speaker 1: be useful to make a new one Uncle one. And
Speaker 1: you on the ball that it's it's on my homework.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but they changed the Sunday I stopped giving him
Speaker 5: out because it had the wrong day on it.
Speaker 7: But yeah, yeah, that was. That was one day we
Speaker 7: were we had a project. I don't know how we
Speaker 7: got it. No, it's because his Wook schedule, that's what
Speaker 7: it was. And we had to put it up to
Speaker 7: Sunday because we had to. It was on Friday, but
Speaker 7: he had to put it up to Sunday because of
Speaker 7: his Wook schedule. And now and now he got and
Speaker 7: he's in so long. He had his day off on Friday,
Speaker 7: so we could have put it back to Friday.
Speaker 3: That's how terrible.
Speaker 7: That's how it happened on that chedle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, ask the question.
Speaker 5: I didn't tune into the last hour. I'm just curious
Speaker 5: if if you can give a brief description of some
Speaker 5: of the current work here you're working on.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well we talked a little bit. I did
Speaker 4: a zine.
Speaker 2: Slash ebook titled Political Monsters, and it explores the correlation
Speaker 2: between the president, whoever that is, and the type of
Speaker 2: monster movie that's popular during their administration.
Speaker 5: Interesting. Yeah, so what was the Biden monsters?
Speaker 2: Well, traditionally Democratic presidents have been vampires and traditional Republicans
Speaker 2: have been zombies. Trump Trump has ushered in more killer
Speaker 2: clown movies.
Speaker 7: Clown.
Speaker 16: So he's telling So the bottom line of that is
Speaker 16: he's telling you he's a clown, got it.
Speaker 7: That's what he's meant. That's what that he means.
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 2: The theory is, you know, Trump is uh, you know,
Speaker 2: no matter what you think of him, he's he's very chaotic, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, and reserved this underlying chaotic menace to him,
Speaker 2: which I think kind of ties into the clown thing
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 3: Ye.
Speaker 4: Also, he likes to wear. He likes to wear a
Speaker 4: very bright red tie.
Speaker 2: And the tie, to me is very reminiscent of the
Speaker 2: balloon that Penny Wise as an it.
Speaker 5: You know, but the classic clown knows I suppose to. Yeah, well,
Speaker 5: I'll look forward to to see something about that future
Speaker 5: from you.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Trump the Clown, Uncle Trump the Clown.
Speaker 7: He's dancing right now and.
Speaker 3: We even have a graphic Trump.
Speaker 1: But we're doing special things with the live stream here Tea,
Speaker 1: We're making magic happen.
Speaker 7: Here's crazy watching this visiting you know this?
Speaker 5: Would you ever want John Ronson's appearance on Joe Rogan
Speaker 5: where he was talking about the infamous Blaming Grove visit.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think I've seen that.
Speaker 5: Actually, it's worth a watch because obviously he has a
Speaker 5: far less conspiracy conspiratorial slant on it than Jones did.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I quote from his book Them and in my book
Speaker 2: where he had a really description of it not being sinister,
Speaker 2: but it just seemed like older guys reliving their their
Speaker 2: college heyday and like, uh, you know, partying and was
Speaker 2: kind of immature, even though they were some of the
Speaker 2: most powerful people in the world.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think a lot of them dress up as
Speaker 5: ladies and do some weird we'll do it can Can dance.
Speaker 9: Yeah, the same kind of explanation for the Skull and
Speaker 9: Bones Society too.
Speaker 1: Though, you know, which is a college and it ties
Speaker 1: into the same idea.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this guy like the junior version of Bohemian Grove.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. Yeah, so so much stuff going
Speaker 3: on there.
Speaker 6: Uncle.
Speaker 1: I'm excited because I know I want to throw this
Speaker 1: to your tea. Is that I happened to be wearing
Speaker 1: an American movie T shirt right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I have so here the people in the live stream,
Speaker 1: we'll see it's featuring Mark Porchhert and others.
Speaker 7: So you said he said he made that?
Speaker 3: Did you make this shirt? T? Did you make this shirt?
Speaker 5: You did?
Speaker 3: You got me?
Speaker 6: Got you.
Speaker 7: Said he did?
Speaker 3: I told Uncle you made this shirt? And I was wrong.
Speaker 16: Mom.
Speaker 7: Thank he's telling me my things and I had to
Speaker 7: believe it to him to talk to him.
Speaker 16: And did he make that shoot? And that was the
Speaker 16: next question I was coming. I'm gonna come up with,
Speaker 16: did you really make that shoot? Now?
Speaker 7: You gave it to me?
Speaker 4: I think so I did not make the shirt.
Speaker 2: I do see Mark on a a pretty regular basis
Speaker 2: here and there. It's always always great to run into him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's really cool.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 1: That American movie is such a it's a classic to
Speaker 1: me and I have so he's he's a buddy of yours, Mark, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's really cool.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you one of my most favorite favorite favorite
Speaker 2: moments of life. Okay, I was I was having a
Speaker 2: bad day, real bad day, and I had to take
Speaker 2: a bus somewhere. So I'm sitting at this park bench
Speaker 2: and I my body language was probably just like I'm
Speaker 2: having a bad day. And all of a sudden, this
Speaker 2: van comes barreling around the corner and I hear this
Speaker 2: voice shout, hey, t hey, t keep the faith man,
Speaker 2: and I looked up in a smart boar shark driving by.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh wow, it just made me. It
Speaker 2: made me feel a lot better, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'll just say watching that movie and
Speaker 1: just seeing him on video, I instantly he makes me
Speaker 1: feel better just watching him. He says, it must be
Speaker 1: I don't know, I know he's your buddy, but that's
Speaker 1: it's just really cool.
Speaker 3: And that's off to him. Man, he's awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: I don't know what he's working on, but every time
Speaker 2: I run into him, he's sitting down with a notebook
Speaker 2: and like just concentrating very hard and writing notes in
Speaker 2: his notebook. And I never really talked to him about
Speaker 2: what he's working on.
Speaker 4: But but he's always working on something.
Speaker 3: Your creative individual uncle. See, he doesn't he doesn't happen
Speaker 3: to have a podcast.
Speaker 2: It does kind of kind of. So we have a
Speaker 2: really cool low watt radio station here in Milwaukee is
Speaker 2: called River West Radio, is in the River West neighborhood,
Speaker 2: which is kind of where all the creative musicians and
Speaker 2: artists in Milwaukee live.
Speaker 9: Is that one of those you don't need a license
Speaker 9: thousand wat tower type things you can put in your backyard.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, okay, perfect, I want.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And this is just it's in a small like storefront,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's all a kind of duct tape together,
Speaker 2: but it works. And Mark has a show, oh shoot,
Speaker 2: what's it called. He has a show where he just
Speaker 2: talks about movies he does. Yeah, And that the shows
Speaker 2: on the radio are then recorded and they're available on
Speaker 2: the River West Radio website, so you can listen to
Speaker 2: them like a podcast.
Speaker 7: Oh, get to get these downs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know that. I've followed Mark online a bit.
Speaker 1: I know I've seen him post about doing that radio
Speaker 1: show and I can't recall the name of it right now,
Speaker 1: but I have seen him mention that.
Speaker 5: So maybe to put you on the spot, it'd be
Speaker 5: cool if you can get this guy onto Aaron's shows
Speaker 5: and memes show that he does about movies.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, he might.
Speaker 2: Uh. I don't quite always follow his his thinking, so
Speaker 2: he seems really receptive to some stuff and not to others.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I can definitely.
Speaker 2: Pass it on to him.
Speaker 1: That would be awesome too, because I I if anything else,
Speaker 1: just let him know that I I think he's great.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: I bought a COVID hat recently he made. He's putting
Speaker 1: out a lot of merch that he's selling. I did
Speaker 1: buy a COVID hat and it's really great. It's it's
Speaker 1: such a good hat. I was playing on wearing it
Speaker 1: to work, but I'm like, I can't wear this at work.
Speaker 3: It's too good. So I do love that.
Speaker 6: Is that like for the band or is that a
Speaker 6: style of hat? Yeah? I mean, which which one are
Speaker 6: we talking about here?
Speaker 1: It's well, okay, it's a beanie. Uh what knit or
Speaker 1: woven hat, you know, like the hat I'm wearing now.
Speaker 1: But it's got an embroidered logo that says COVID Northwest
Speaker 1: Productions on it, which was Mark's Horror movie, which is
Speaker 1: the centerpiece to American movies.
Speaker 6: Because there's a hat.
Speaker 7: Yes, there's a hat like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a hat very similar to that. That's the
Speaker 6: band makes, the band COVID makes.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So I was That's why I was curious. I
Speaker 9: was like, wait a minutes, he connected to that band
Speaker 9: or is it?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 9: Okay, I didn't realize it was also a horror thing. Okay, cool,
Speaker 9: COVID COVID man.
Speaker 7: No, that's great.
Speaker 9: I would I would take it as you know, cross
Speaker 9: cross pollination for promotion, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 9: don't think it was great, but you know, people get
Speaker 9: involved in copyright disputes over stuff like that.
Speaker 7: So yeah, But.
Speaker 1: Milwaukee is just an interesting place. Every time I hear
Speaker 1: about Milwaukee, it's always something. I mean, what's going on there, team,
Speaker 1: what's in the water, What's going on in Milwaukee? That's
Speaker 1: my question because it seems interesting from the outside looking in.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's an interesting place. I'll say that I like
Speaker 2: it quite a bit. You know, it's a it's a
Speaker 2: decent sized city. It's not as big as New York
Speaker 2: or Chicago or something like that, but you know, it's
Speaker 2: big enough that there's stuff to do and people here
Speaker 2: pretty laid back. Uh, there's a lot, a lot of drinking.
Speaker 4: That goes on here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that explained some of the weird stuff
Speaker 2: that happens here. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 5: White Yeah, the old Milwaukee beer and then the Milwaukee Tools, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we were nicknamed the beer City because Paps, Schlitz, Blats, Miller,
Speaker 2: all of them are headquart here at one point.
Speaker 7: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 4: So part of culture, Yeah, definitely, it is it's too much,
Speaker 4: too much a part of the culture, too.
Speaker 3: Much, got it?
Speaker 5: Okay, Well a lot of liver cancer floating around?
Speaker 3: Is that because the breweries?
Speaker 6: I mean, is that like a lot of beer?
Speaker 7: Is that what the deal is?
Speaker 1: Or?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the the German beer bearings moved here
Speaker 2: to Milwaukee, so you know, Paps, Schlitz and Blats and
Speaker 2: Miller were all German companies, and you know they they
Speaker 2: brought with them their hearty appetite for drinking. So this
Speaker 2: became part of the culture, and there's a lot of
Speaker 2: bars here.
Speaker 9: It's like why in New Jersey and New York there's
Speaker 9: fifteen pizza places in every town because there was a
Speaker 9: lot of Italians at one point, so they on in
Speaker 9: New York they were I know, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: New York and New Jersey, you got ten pizza joints everywhere.
Speaker 9: You know, every every little town's got ten places to pizza.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: To forgive my geological ignorance, is that is that on
Speaker 5: one of the Great Lakes or no?
Speaker 2: Yes, we are right on the shore of Lake Michigan,
Speaker 2: and we're just about about ninety miles north of Chicago.
Speaker 16: And you and and the Green Bay Pakist Stadium is
Speaker 16: not for very close.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Green Bay is maybe about an hour and a half
Speaker 2: drive north of US.
Speaker 7: Right, because that's where what it was off it's off
Speaker 7: the lake. Yeah, that's that I know.
Speaker 1: Is there a split in fandom between the Green Bay
Speaker 1: Packers and the Chicago Bears tea?
Speaker 2: Oh, the Bears, I guess are are pretty well hated
Speaker 2: in Wisconsin, Okay, just because the Packers are like like
Speaker 2: a religion here almost you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I believe you.
Speaker 7: They go to then Kings instead of the Beta games.
Speaker 1: Well, well, well it's because it's the Wisconsin team and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's I feel like every Midwest state
Speaker 1: is like this, as these are very intense about the
Speaker 1: sports teams. Yeah, in Columbus Ohio, I mean it's Ohio State. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well right, it's Ohios. You're in Columbus, Ohio. It's Ohio State.
Speaker 1: That's college.
Speaker 3: But nonetheless, you know, it's phenomenon going on other Midwest states.
Speaker 7: So they actually fun eat you, but you got them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because geographically you were saying that Chicago might be
Speaker 1: a little closer to Milwaukee, right, Yeah, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a little bit closer.
Speaker 2: But you know, the Packers, like you know, being from Wisconsin,
Speaker 2: and uh they did many years ago played some of
Speaker 2: their games in Milwaukee.
Speaker 16: Uh so okay, okay, yeah, with the with the Fighters,
Speaker 16: I mean coming here, they moved. They were nice enough
Speaker 16: to have us, the Cardinals have letting them use the stadium.
Speaker 7: The Vans use this stadium, I mean because because of
Speaker 7: the Fighters we got. Yeah, so that's about the same
Speaker 7: kind of thing if that had had happened.
Speaker 3: If that could be similar between Green Bay and the Bears,
Speaker 3: similar would happen.
Speaker 7: They do do something. I mean they're now it's a
Speaker 7: sports thing and now they're.
Speaker 16: Getting to each other and fighting in the games, But
Speaker 16: in real life they help each other.
Speaker 7: That's what they say on the commercials. That's what they say.
Speaker 3: And they don't just say it. They mean it.
Speaker 7: They mean it.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 3: It's not just a platitude.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 7: It's true. I mean, look at it plays. I mean
Speaker 7: they will only.
Speaker 3: Say that's nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good will, goodwill, that's what we want to see.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of world we all want, I'm sure.
Speaker 3: And then uh yeah, yeah, say it, say it. I'll
Speaker 3: say it, proud uncle.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But Tea, what about Crazy Clown Time? Have you ever
Speaker 1: heard the David Lynch song Crazy Clown Time? I'll start
Speaker 1: that out there.
Speaker 7: You know that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Crispin Glover right, No, no, no, no, no, that's
Speaker 4: a different song.
Speaker 2: Okay, uh uh yeah, I remember David Lynch is Crazy
Speaker 2: clown Time for sure. And then Crispin Glover had a
Speaker 2: song and it's called Clowny Clown Clown.
Speaker 3: That sounds familiar. I had forgotten that thing you get.
Speaker 2: You you got to rewatch it. It's uh, it's something else,
Speaker 2: something else.
Speaker 1: Okay shows, Yeah, does that ring about you? Uncle clown clown, clown.
Speaker 16: Clown, matter of fact, come to think about I got
Speaker 16: a clown that pick in one time I was a
Speaker 16: Halloween costume and I was a clown. Okay, that was
Speaker 16: one of my costumes for Halloween when I was a
Speaker 16: small cluster.
Speaker 3: Sure, it's cat ighting claw. I'm the clown. Now I'm
Speaker 3: playing around with these graphics.
Speaker 7: They never know what he gets craft. It's going.
Speaker 16: I'm talking and I get distracted with these I don't
Speaker 16: mean he's throwing out on here.
Speaker 3: I truly don't mean. Two uncles, Well, I.
Speaker 7: Get them, I get them, I get side tracked.
Speaker 3: That's the nature of this broadcast. Alcohol. I know you
Speaker 3: don't know what you're gonna get.
Speaker 7: I know that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Are we are we happy with the way the show's
Speaker 1: going here? How feeling as a guest? Everything is everything?
Speaker 3: Okay? Are we catering to you properly?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 4: No, it was going great. And I want to confirm.
Speaker 4: I confirm the.
Speaker 2: Title is called Clowney clown Clown by Crispin Glover.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna listen to them.
Speaker 7: Love was with another movie.
Speaker 3: Crispin Glover is the.
Speaker 1: George McFly that the father McFly to Marty McFly's dad
Speaker 1: in Back to Your Future.
Speaker 3: Yes, sure right, that was him.
Speaker 16: That's him that because the name was familiar and that's
Speaker 16: what's the most famous.
Speaker 3: So that actor is also a musician.
Speaker 1: I bet you didn't know that. I'm call Crispin Glover.
Speaker 1: I had forgotten he was myself. What genre of music
Speaker 1: might that be?
Speaker 2: T u.
Speaker 4: Circus circus music?
Speaker 7: I guess.
Speaker 4: Seriously, it's got like a like a pipe organ or something.
Speaker 7: And really, where's the circus in town? When's the circus
Speaker 7: in town coming?
Speaker 3: This is what we're going to be into any old time.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I swear there was a circus tent across from my
Speaker 1: work in this past week, because I would leave and
Speaker 1: it's nighttime. I get there, it's day, and I leave
Speaker 1: it's night and I see this tent all it up
Speaker 1: that I didn't realise was there. And earlier I'm like,
Speaker 1: the circus appears to be in town, So you know
Speaker 1: it's it's it's all around us, uncle.
Speaker 3: It just that's the way it happens. I mean the
Speaker 3: clowns are here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he can I ask you a question? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I was just I was just googling the our YouTube
Speaker 5: and the clowny clown cloud. And there's another another video
Speaker 5: here about Crispin Glover and Nicholas Cage making it making
Speaker 5: music in a convenience store. And that made me think,
Speaker 5: have you ever seen the film Army of One with
Speaker 5: Nick Cage in it? I have not seen that one
Speaker 5: because that kind of reminds me of your of this
Speaker 5: patriot guy. What because Nick Cage decides that he's going
Speaker 5: to be the one to go. I believe it's go
Speaker 5: capture Bin Laden in Afghanistan. He's like some kind of
Speaker 5: crazy patriot dude in Florida, Okay, and he like his
Speaker 5: whole goal is to go get Bin Laden and he
Speaker 5: keeps he tries to travel there a number of times,
Speaker 5: and I believe he finally makes it. But it's it's
Speaker 5: quite a funny film. I recommend you watching it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'll check that out for sure.
Speaker 2: It definitely sounds like from twenty sixteen Patriot Yeah huh wow.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I have one more weird piece of media to add
Speaker 9: to the discussion. Just some clowns real quick.
Speaker 6: You ever seen the movie Vulgar.
Speaker 7: Uh tea no o Ei there?
Speaker 9: Okay, that's like Kevin Smith movie from the year two thousand.
Speaker 9: It is you if you just do an IMDb. I'm
Speaker 9: not even going to bring up the key craziness in
Speaker 9: that movie, but clown plays are very serious.
Speaker 3: Do you do you know the movie Erin. I remember
Speaker 3: the name of it.
Speaker 1: I remember it being Kevin Smith, but I don't really
Speaker 1: know anything about it.
Speaker 9: Okay, just because uncle has certain sensitivity is about material
Speaker 9: on the show, I.
Speaker 3: Urge you t to look at it yourself.
Speaker 9: Okay, guys, it is bizarre, and you know Kevin Smith
Speaker 9: usually you know you know who Kevin Smith.
Speaker 6: Is obviously, right Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, and.
Speaker 9: You can tell from my accent I wasn't born in
Speaker 9: Georgia anyways, He's from Jersey.
Speaker 6: Just check it out.
Speaker 7: It's too much.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm look for that one too.
Speaker 9: Yeah you should, because it's really you want to talk
Speaker 9: about bizarre clown things.
Speaker 6: This this is bizarre clown things.
Speaker 5: It's actually I just see the full movies on YouTube.
Speaker 6: Oh good, Mark really so yeah?
Speaker 5: Not some other guy like some random page. It can't
Speaker 5: be Jesus, Oh, it's somebody.
Speaker 9: It's one of those guys posting like, you know, the
Speaker 9: movie and catching some money real quick and then he's
Speaker 9: gonna get kicked off YouTube.
Speaker 6: That's what that is.
Speaker 5: Because it looks like it. It looks like it's a
Speaker 5: real film.
Speaker 6: Really, that's scary.
Speaker 5: I'm really true, and it's the it's the real film.
Speaker 7: Are ya.
Speaker 6: Wow? Okay.
Speaker 1: I kind of wish all these all these clown songs,
Speaker 1: clowny clown, clown, crazy clown time. I want to hear
Speaker 1: a jock Jam's style electronic clown song that they could
Speaker 1: play in a sports game.
Speaker 3: Would that Jesus, yes, exactly what it sound like them.
Speaker 3: I feel like it'd be like that that did that,
Speaker 3: that clown clown that that that that that clowns that
Speaker 3: that that did that clown clown. See, I made it already,
Speaker 3: that's it. It writes itself. Yeah. Oh, you got to
Speaker 3: get the Hong Kong in there. That sounds great in
Speaker 3: an arena.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that would be for the bulls.
Speaker 3: What do you think is this?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 5: I'm gonna post it in our skype chat there and
Speaker 5: then you guys can pick it out of there.
Speaker 6: Okay, cool.
Speaker 1: Okay, nice man, and this is an exciting night. Well
Speaker 1: we're coming towards the end of the show. So there's
Speaker 1: what Jimmy, it's been sulking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we'll we'll.
Speaker 1: I think it would be wise if we went to
Speaker 1: the shout outs. Probably Uncle, is it that close? I
Speaker 1: think we're that close. So I think we'll we'll go
Speaker 1: to our callers and see it.
Speaker 16: Ask them if everybody that's let's see we get this
Speaker 16: guest tanks this first.
Speaker 3: Well well no, we'll back around to Tea I think
Speaker 3: at the end. But the callers, let's let's get them.
Speaker 5: To do a shout out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree with you. I agree with you there, Aaron.
Speaker 3: I think we'll keep Tea here.
Speaker 17: It was.
Speaker 3: The border first north of the border.
Speaker 7: I keep him name and then.
Speaker 5: Shout out to uh football. I mean, I'm planning to
Speaker 5: win my five American dollars on Sunday. Me too, And
Speaker 5: that's that's worth about seven or eight in Canada. You know,
Speaker 5: I was talking to get myself a like maybe like
Speaker 5: a spam and uh and honus rap.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, big plan. All right, Well, thank you for calling, Robin.
Speaker 1: It's great to have you. We'll talk to you soon, man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 3: Have a good night everybody, Robin. And then we have Jimmy.
Speaker 5: Jimmy, you guys have one.
Speaker 7: What's that?
Speaker 5: Oh no, I was just saying.
Speaker 6: I was just making sure you were still there, Jimmy.
Speaker 7: Good good night, mister.
Speaker 19: And missus America and all the chimps at seed.
Speaker 3: A right.
Speaker 1: Sounds good. Great to have you, Jimmy. We'll talk to
Speaker 1: you soon too, So take care, sir. And then of
Speaker 1: course it's just us here.
Speaker 3: Uncle. Did you want to give a quick shout.
Speaker 16: Out, give a shout out to all the listeners and
Speaker 16: the new listener I'm training and to have the shout
Speaker 16: out to you people and and my guest, mister T.
Speaker 7: Cool to you, and.
Speaker 3: That's good. Okay, that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 1: I'll just give a quick shout out to everybody in Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: Wisconsin and keep bringing it up again. I've never been there,
Speaker 1: but hey, I love it nonetheless.
Speaker 3: You know, I'll just say that and shout out to T.
Speaker 3: Thank you T for being thank you, thank you for
Speaker 3: being the guest.
Speaker 7: Ye.
Speaker 3: Is there anybody that you'd like to shout out to
Speaker 3: while we're on the tea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll give a show to Mark boor shirt. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he came up in conversation and I always like to
Speaker 2: give that guy a shout out.
Speaker 4: So mm hmm, shout out to you Mark.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Yeah, yeah, I'll the ditto on that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: great guy.
Speaker 3: And then T we'll just uh again.
Speaker 1: Why don't you give out your websites to listeners of
Speaker 1: Uncle the podcasts?
Speaker 3: Now about that? What's your website and where can we
Speaker 3: find your stuff?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, t cuoss t e A k r U
Speaker 2: l o s dot com. You can find information about
Speaker 2: my books and anything else I'm working on.
Speaker 7: Awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Uncle, is there anything else did we miss?
Speaker 1: Did we miss a question for tea is? I feel
Speaker 1: like there's something that we needed to ask him and
Speaker 1: we didn't.
Speaker 7: What was that? You're the one been talking. I've been listening,
Speaker 7: so you should know, so I kick what was it?
Speaker 5: The question?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 9: Creative Creative Accidents in the chat room says there should
Speaker 9: be a shout out to uh the uh Lion's Tooth bookstore.
Speaker 4: Yes, oh very nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what when I bought your
Speaker 1: American Madness book T I ordered directly from them and
Speaker 1: it was signed by you, and that was really cool.
Speaker 3: I did feel good about that purchase. That was cool.
Speaker 7: Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 2: They're they're a great bookshop, and I'm always glad to
Speaker 2: support them because you know independent bookstores are, They're hard.
Speaker 4: To make happen.
Speaker 2: So I appreciate anyone who is rutting a story like.
Speaker 1: That absolutely, And don't forget those swords shops for one
Speaker 1: last John right, yeah, that fits right in there.
Speaker 3: But tuh.
Speaker 1: Great to have you as always, as I said to
Speaker 1: you in the previous houra, I have been hope and
Speaker 1: invite on either the Age of Transitions or this show. Uncle,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. We'll see you again. But we
Speaker 1: will say good night to you, sir, and we will.
Speaker 1: We will remind people that on social media. It's at
Speaker 1: Uncle podcast. That's on YouTube, x Rumble now, Instagram. Yeah
Speaker 1: it's a good one.
Speaker 3: Huh. I can't get it's rumbling. I know it's lots
Speaker 3: of vibrations.
Speaker 7: Involved in my phone, but I'm letting the customers listen.
Speaker 1: To tie everything down when you're on that platform, and
Speaker 1: you'll be just fine. Uncle on my phone, how can
Speaker 1: I Well, we gotta fire that thing up on your phone.
Speaker 7: That's that.
Speaker 3: In business cards, I'm gonna do that tomorrow.
Speaker 7: Uncle, you actually can do tomorrow.
Speaker 5: You gotta tell you things.
Speaker 7: It's gonna be your helpful podcast.
Speaker 3: Dot com sirtos