Speaker 1: Good evening and welcome to Life's Quest Episode fave. And
in the studio we have got mister Darryl Barry and
mister Richard Clements can even my boys, how are we fine?
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 3: You're not not too bad myself? Yeah, just picking back,
relaxing and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: I think we deserve it. We've been on a bit
of a whistle stop tour in the last couple of
months and we haven't stopped.
Speaker 3: And you're right there, you've been near there everywhere.
Speaker 1: So on the last episode we did a spiritual kind
of reading show with Marlena, and the one before that
when we had the boys on, we were at heron
Haun So tonight we're following off the back of that,
really because a few things that Marlena said in her show,
that spirit side of the show.
Speaker 2: It's quite relevant, isn't it. Boys. I mean, it's like.
Speaker 1: One thing when your boot's on the ground and you're
getting insights. I call them when you're like they're because
they can be a bit weird, can't they.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, I mean like going about I mean I
tend to have to reflect on that. I don't tend
to get a lot when I'm out about and I
get a few sort of hints and stuff like that,
but nothing sort of too solid. It's not until I
put away and get home and usually light in bed
and sort of recap on the day things start to
build up. And then when you come back to us
a bit later on and sort of say, oh, my
lane and got this or got that, we can start
sort of putting pieces together, and it's sort of just
sort of helps us all along a bit further. So, yeah,
it is, uh is, it is getting quite insightful in
a few areas. I mustn't admit it's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about you, Darah? How are you fighting this journey?
Speaker 4: We're all one way or another.
Speaker 3: Blessing?
Speaker 2: How does it work for you?
Speaker 1: Because, like Richard said, like for me, it happens very
much in the moment, and but for like Richard, it's
in retrospect. It's like when he's letting things process. Well,
how does it work for you in your in that space?
How do the insights come to you?
Speaker 4: It's a bit of both, really. I mean I get
some bits when I'm there actually on with the boats
on the ground there, and then I of things reflecting
back on it later on you think about it and oh, yeah, this,
this and that. I mean, sorry, it's a bit of
fifty to fifty really like you you get all the
all there, Richard gets it when he gets back, sort
of in between, a bit of an in between.
Speaker 1: It's quite a nice balance though, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah it does because when you look
at things and things come out and you think, well,
I'll look at a bit a bit more details, you know
what I mean, And then when you get back and
you get even more out of it as well. So yes,
it's enjoyable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, particularly like you're looking at the photographs and stuff.
It brings things back and you can look at things
a bit more closely.
Speaker 2: Or amazing what you see.
Speaker 4: So when you when you when you look at the
photos after, there's a lot more things in the photos
that you can't actually see straight away because you look
at you I didn't see that before because you can't
you can't literally take everything in at once, there's too much.
So when you're reflecting and looking back at it, you
can pick up things better in the photos as well
as there as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that there, or I mean
sort of like the photographs sort of because we're all
there together then, aren't we, And we're sort of just
having a We download art, we download all our photographs
into our particular WhatsApp we have going, and then we
can all sit there and go through them together, and
you have thoughts and insights around each photograph or or
some photographs might might mean more to others than.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, we can both take a picture of the
same theme. They're not the same as their different angles
and things like that, so you get to see different
things all the time.
Speaker 3: Well, it's very subtle, isn't it. Sort of stuff in photographs,
And then sometimes you look at photographs think how the
hell did I miss that? When when I was.
Speaker 1: This is true, This is true now some of what
we see in the front. Some would argue that it's paradolia.
Now we know this term really well from the paranormal field,
and this is a well known psychological phenomenon, and it's basically,
your eyes are trained to see patterns.
Speaker 2: Your mind will pick up patterns wherever you look.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, so you get a photograph, you
get a face in This is like the Jesus in
the toast kind of scenario, isn't it. And you know
the paradolia that comes through where you're seeing something that
may not be there. But as my argument is, trying
to see patterns, and we look at a pattern, what
we see in front of us is all manifestation and
is then so when you see something in the pattern,
faces and stuff, me, that is spirit. And I've changed
my viewpoint on this hugely since I've awoken. I suppose
you would call it where do you sit with that now, Richard?
Because you know, coming from a paranormal side, it's.
Speaker 3: Very special, we call it paradonia, I know, but I've
sort of moved on a bit from the pure skeptical
form of paradonia. You know when I say, oh, it's
just paradonia, it's just paradonia, you know. But I always
think it's worth having a look when you sort of
look at photographs and stuff, even if you're sort of
like paranormal investigating. I suppose, because you know, it can
it can give some stuff away, you know, there can
be some sort of relevant sort of bits and pieces
sort of like come through with the paradonia. I mean,
I know you guys are sort of more into sort
of fire scrining type thing and looking into embers and
stuff that doesn't really work for me, but photographs do.
And I must admit it has calmed down lately. When
I was first on this journey on the Tuest, I
was getting a lot of stuff, mainly animals and mainly dogs,
but yeah, for some and not just sort of like,
oh and that looks like dog. I was actually getting
specific breeds of dogs and I think, oh, that's a
battt ound, and here's a sort of some burner and
sort of I mean I was getting real specific, sort
of type sort of imagery. I mean that's sort of
like calved down now. But what I find was, I
think Daryl pointed out the other day, and you did
this world carry I tend to pick up these things
when we're actually out and about more a sort of
I see the wildlife more sort of like before. You
guys sort of like that, and I seem to be
very attuned to that.
Speaker 2: I've got two animal people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got mister Doolittle in the Daryl who seems
to animals draw to him. And then rich spots them
right on the dog thing. Richard, Yes, you remember which
dog breed you most saw.
Speaker 3: I saw a lot of sort of Coowlly type dogs
sort of I suppose more sort of a spaniel ly
type Bassett Towns, you know, the sort of long, longy
sort of spaniel type, sort of the ears and what
you actually said.
Speaker 2: What you actually said back then.
Speaker 1: I've got it all on recordings, right, Yeah, as this
journey on Fuld, you're you'll soon understand why the beagle
is actually.
Speaker 2: Really really important. But that's a thread for another time.
Speaker 1: But it's weird how these things come up and how
they manifest in the physical in in fact hardcore fact,
and this is this is the weird crossover. Trying to
get the balance right really, to sort of explain how
it works spiritually and how it validates. Yeah, and that
balance is sometimes a little hard to get because sometimes
it can be really cryptic, can't it. Like you're seeing
beagles in a lot of aura stone and yeah, becomes
so relevant.
Speaker 3: And then I would have a space I've actually seeing
actual beebles people walking. But the thing is, I don't
know whether I'm more pro prone to sort of like
because we had dogs when I was younger, two dogs,
and they were beagles as well, so there's a bit
of a family connection. I suppose through me with beagles,
but they are sort of for some reason, they do
seem to be well at one point at least a
part of this quest. But as you said, Perry, this
is another story for another time.
Speaker 1: And the other thing with spirit messages is they get stronger.
So how it will work is like you may see
something like, for example, the beagle in a photograph or
a piece of wood or a stone.
Speaker 2: Or whatever, and it's like, it could mean anything.
Speaker 1: It could be the dog breed, it could be a name,
it could be it could be a lot of different things.
Speaker 2: And then it gets stronger.
Speaker 1: So it started with just seeing images in paradolia fashion.
Speaker 2: Then it occurred you started to see them in the
physical being walked or they we'd see one across.
Speaker 1: The road or down the lane or something, wouldn't we
So the message gets stronger and stronger. So if it's
if it's relevant, you'll find that these messages get stronger.
So if they're not relevant, now you find that they
start reoccurring. The reoccurring theme comes in and then all
of a sudden it becomes really relevant.
Speaker 3: And it's all about.
Speaker 1: Divine timing, which is you, boy, you hate divine time?
Speaker 2: I mean, don't you, Darryl.
Speaker 3: I've been with like the beagles and the stuff like that.
It does seem to be locatient specific as well, which
is quite something I found. Yeah, there's been a few
things that have gone on the last couple of weeks
which seem to be quite location specific.
Speaker 2: But we're talking about divine timing, aren't we, so, Darryl.
The divine timing mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It's that it's the easiest thing to say, just go
with the flow.
Speaker 2: It will happen as it should. You will never be
in the wrong place.
Speaker 1: It will always be exactly where you need to be
in the right time.
Speaker 4: And I want it there. And then you know what
I mean, when we go out, we want to go
out then I mean my seat there, see it now,
not wait for another week. I mean you think and
you don't see anything in a week later. It all
comes in thee time, it all.
Speaker 2: Now, this has been a source of frustration, shall we
say with you too? Has it? The divine timing? But
it always plays out, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: I mean I can understand divine timing to a certain extent.
You know, when you're perhaps sort of thinking you have
to do something or you know, particularly with ceremony or
stuff like that, wait for a full moon or wait
for a specific date, or wait until mercury is in
retrograde to sort of like do stuff and stand that.
But it's the more sort of the other stuff. I mean,
I think, no, and we can go now and do that,
and that's not a proper I'm not down.
Speaker 2: Spirit have their own timing.
Speaker 1: You have to understand because everything is happening in this moment.
Speaker 2: When you're ready, I think is the expression and the
releasing to the flow of that can be very frustrating.
Speaker 1: However, last week's show was my Laner's like little showcase
of psychic abilities, so I thought it'd be interesting to
just have a little.
Speaker 4: Look at your well yours as well.
Speaker 2: Mine's more when we're there, though, isn't it.
Speaker 4: You still get the cycle when you're with my lang away.
You're still both of you, you know, I mean, you're
both bringing it in that particular. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Because the problem I have for myself though, is I
know a lot because I'm doing a lot of research
as well as Richard. No, that's not me being big
headies at all.
Speaker 1: I have to bridge it so effectively that puts anything
I pick up psychically, a skeptic.
Speaker 2: Would go, yeah, but you've read that somewhere.
Speaker 1: You've you know, you've gone in depth into this, so
your brain is just putting forward.
Speaker 2: That information because it's all stored right.
Speaker 1: So for myself, yes I'm picking up a lot, and
yes I get a lot validated.
Speaker 2: But for this public forum, I.
Speaker 1: Kind of That's one of the reasons we've separated it
because the only person who needs to be trusted here
is me. So I'm whether I tell her or not,
everyone's going to have to trust that I don't and
trust me don't. I work her hard. If you've listened
to the last show, I whipped her around.
Speaker 2: Ethics know whether she was coming or going the poor
love Her team was working really hard. But out of
that's some really interesting information came through. Now we did.
Speaker 1: She was part of the trip to Thundersley Chat and
she was part of the visit to heron Hole.
Speaker 2: However, we didn't know at that point anything about these churches.
Speaker 1: What was strange was on the day I recorded the
show with Marlena, the boys went out on a jolly,
didn't you boys?
Speaker 2: Where did you pop off to that day?
Speaker 4: Do you remember Sugar Garrison?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they liked to have a look at World
War stuff. And it's not really a girly bag thing.
Speaker 3: We liked that look old gun in places.
Speaker 4: Divine timing. It's all in the divine.
Speaker 2: Timing, because they went, I know, I've got to go
and have a look at it because there's something really
important there which is the weirdest thing. And I'm like, oh,
world War two stuff.
Speaker 1: But world War two has been a thread that has
come up from kind of the beginning.
Speaker 3: It's been there and hasn't it. And the thing is,
everywhere we go, we'll have some sort of World War
two connection or something would have happened there during World
War Two. So it's very difficult to try and pin
down where this World War connection actually sits within the
places we've visited. So I thought, well, you know, come
on therere and we'll actually go to a place where
there's nothing but World War two stuff. You go for it,
feel your boots.
Speaker 2: And I was recording a show with my laners, so
I wasn't able to attend anyway.
Speaker 4: Whilst we want, Pad didn't want to attend.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna think I'll go. So while we was on
that particular show, Marlena explained about a hole in the
ground which has got like bars over it, and there'll
be two and in one of them the ground were
called boggy, and that's a trap. So you need to
go to the overgrown one and the ground stadium. Now
that's in the show. Literally straight after the show, they
sent me Richard sends me a picture. Can you remember
what picture it was, Richard.
Speaker 3: Yes, it was. It was like an ammunition store, scrope
airad shelter, all of feet, which was on the garrison
and the old garrison of Shrewsbury and or Shrewziness. And
so I say, and there was three of them in
this park land and there were just very low mounds
with a door on the side which was all barred off.
Speaker 1: Basically a hole in the ground with a metal grid
across it.
Speaker 2: And at the time you only showed me a picture
of one.
Speaker 1: Later on you told me there were two, and then
you went, oh, no, actually there were three, was what
she picked up on.
Speaker 5: Well, anyway, on this one two of them. One of
them is actually in uh one of the gardens. There's
two actually in the park that you can actually walk
in and down and see them. And there's another one
in the actual garden which you can't get into. So
technically she was right about two first.
Speaker 4: Of all, because there was two together and the other
one is not accessible. I was running around it, which
phe found very interesting.
Speaker 2: Going out to buy a law mo that's like one
of them automatic LUTs. So that was the first thing.
Speaker 1: Now, obviously we're going to have to go back, but
it may not be there, it may be somewhere around.
And she was just like, that's it. That's what it's like.
It's like right, Okay, that was fascinating.
Speaker 2: We went on to heron Hall and she said she
felt that the house was in the wrong place. And
again she was right about that, wasn't she.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because the old house is already knocked down and
they rebuilt a new one, so the original house is
and where it used to be, it's not.
Speaker 1: The original house was taken down in seventeen ninety, so
she was right. She hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 2: There now, and we know it's a ruin because we've
been there and we know that there's a farmhouse next
to it that's been built. So yeah, you know, SPA.
Speaker 1: The next thing is an ongoing threat, right and It
started when I went for a walk and I saw
a piece of rubber on the It just looked like
a piece of rubber. Well, it was a piece of rubber,
but to me it looked like a puzzle piece. And
that was like the first inkling for me. But the
puzzle has come up time and time again, hasn't it.
Speaker 3: Ah, Yes, you've sort of kept the sort of like
the puzzle feature alive. And with me, I'm sort of
like seeking out and I'm sort of like confronted with
monkey puzzle trees.
Speaker 2: Even this weekend, even went out, I opened the car door.
I didn't even see it, didn't see it, opened the
car door, and I went, oh my god. Literally as
we opened the car door, there was a little one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean you'll speak about it a minute. Literally literal
puzzle pieces, a load of them in one place.
Speaker 2: These are all.
Speaker 1: Different places at different times, but these puzzles keep coming
up time and time again. Now you took shelter under
a monkey puzzle tree at heron hole.
Speaker 3: Yes, where we was going along a hedge row and
when I look through the hedge into the back of
the garden of the new hall, there was a monkey
puzzle tree. Sort of standing there. That was quite Yeah.
It was chucking it down with rain and me and
Darryl were so sort of shivering under a tree and
Barlina was sort of just sort of standing there with
her umbrella. Isn't it wonderful? And it's the rain, it's
the rain and natural.
Speaker 2: They haven't quite embraced the elements yet either, guys. Well,
the monkey puzzle tree was the first kind of like
after my walk, then the monkey puzzle tree comes in
at Heron Hall, so that was like it's getting stronger.
Then we keep seeing like odd bits of debris we'll
call it.
Speaker 1: That looks like puzzles on our varying walks. We ended
up in Morden, weren't we. We went to the Moot
Hall in Morden and as we opened the car door
there's puzzle pieces literal alphaan actual puzzle all over the floor.
So it was like, right, okay, this is interesting. And
then again we went to Mersey, pulled up, opened the
door monkey puzzle tree, so the puzzle thing is quite key.
Now we went to Mersey. We was walking along the
beach and we came off the beach. The thread I
was following a feeling and this feeling just stopped and
Darryl said, how are you feeling?
Speaker 2: And when it's.
Speaker 1: Gone, he's like, right, what do you want to do?
So should we get off the beach? And as we
walked up there was a sign post that said Monkey Beach.
Speaker 2: We'd been on Monkey Beach and it led us to
another weld, didn't it.
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a well at the top sort of overlooking
the beach. I mean we wouldn't have found it unless
we went up there. Yeah, that was quite something as well.
Speaker 4: We went up there as well from where we originally
came down, because we didn't go back up the same
way we came but we didn't. We diverted off and
went up this other path which was again going up there,
and there was a sign there.
Speaker 3: Stuff up, weren't you carry? And we were walking along
the beach and then it suddenly went and it faded.
So we back tracked and you've got it again, didn't we?
So me and Dale surmised whether it would be up
beyond the beach, sort of up back up the bat
so we unfortunately there was a pathway that led up
there and yeah, when you came straight through well, we
saw the sign and we realized the beach we were
on was Monkey Beach. And then we came across the
weld we did and.
Speaker 1: In the shadows a rolled by my Lana to look
in the shadows. Yeah, and on the top of this
well there's like a wooden cover Saint Peter's well. It's
called and it had a wooden cover on top of it.
Now we do have a website. We keep talking about
these photographs.
Speaker 2: We do have a website now, Darrel was the website address.
Speaker 4: Please Life's Quest dot co dot uk.
Speaker 1: And up there you'll find research that myself or Richard
have done and articles that we've written. There'll be the
photographs that we talk about on all of the podcasts,
so you can have a look at the photographs yourself
and see what you think of You know what we've said.
Speaker 2: You know it's crazy, but we don't care. We saw
what we saw.
Speaker 3: So stuff we might have missed or perhaps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another thing. Interact.
Speaker 1: If you see something or feel something from something, please
let us know because this amazing press is like I'm
writing an article at the moment on Great Warley. I say,
we've been everywhere so Great Warley and I heard when
I was there a voice and it said you've got
a voice, use it. And I've podcasted for years and
it was a sign for me to get this out
to kind of like show people how it plays out
in the physical.
Speaker 2: So that's one of the reasons we're doing it.
Speaker 1: It's like, guys, please check the website out let us
know your thoughts.
Speaker 2: We'd love to know what you're thinking. Love Life's quest
dot co dot uk.
Speaker 1: Right, So where was I The shadows on top of
the well, and I could quietly clearly see we and
a date.
Speaker 2: Now on the day, I saw nineteen eleven. So what
I saw was we nineteen eleven seven.
Speaker 1: See, this is another thing spirit do is once you've
got the message, they change it because it's not just
it's snippets, so they'll change it once you've got the point.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So now I look at that photograph and I can
still see we nineteen eleven, but I can see other things,
other dates, And Daryl was actually coming up with sixteen
hundreds and stuff like that dates out of it as well.
That's all in the shadows on top of this well,
which was really weird.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I'll carry on very story.
Speaker 1: She came up with two names, Margaret and Elizabeth. Yes,
they are both relevant to heron Hall. But the problem
with just a first name is what Richard.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it could be pretty much anything, doesn't it.
First names are sort of like a bit sort of
you know, and you sort of say, oh, I wish
we had a second name, and you'd really sort of
hammer it down there. And she has come up with
a second name for Margaret, as it say, but this
is a bit more problematic than what we actually thought.
Speaker 2: Gone, you want a surname, we'll give you a surname.
The name they've given is Margaret Thatcher.
Speaker 1: You can imagine trying to get past right. She specifically said,
Margaret Thatcher, not the one who was the governor, like
the governor the prime minister.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So she said that now we have tried and tried,
but we cannot get around the prime minister.
Speaker 1: We just can't get around it. It's saturated out there.
So trying to do with the historical is I said,
it's going to be the sort of thing that's going
to pop up on a headstone or we'll be talking
to somebody and it will be a name that's relevant
because it's you can't get passed from our.
Speaker 2: Level of research. At this point we can Prime Minister
and we boys. You tried that one, an't you tried it?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, tried and sort of you know, you try to
pre's that space it. You know, we do rely on
the Internet a fair bit to do our research and stuff,
and there's a lot of stuff out there. But with
a name like Margaret Thatcher would just say, which is
Prime Minister of nineteen seventy nine and nineteen ninety Yeah,
I know that tell me something different, sort of like
historical other Margaret factors that had some sort of historical
sort of relevance, but they didn't really come down to
anything much, you know. And Darryll Doe a bit of
a grave search throughout the country, haven't you. And there's
there are a few, aren't there?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: But not what we want where Yeah.
Speaker 2: Not that ties in anywhere to anything.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's the problem is that it might tie
to someone one of the Margaret Thatchers that have been
buried somewhere else. But then it's you're trying to get
information from each and every one of them, the people,
and when you're on when you're on the like the
find a grave and that it doesn't really do an
information it's telling about the gravestone doesn't give you any
other information, which is a bit of a headbanger really.
Speaker 2: That this is my time exactly. This is just going
to be one of those things. All of a sudden,
we're doing something completely different. We've probably forgotten about it,
and it will come up and we'll be like, oh
my god. Because we get a lot of on my
god moments when we're researching and stuff over stuff we've done.
That was that was one of them. But when we
was looking at the Terrell family specifically because obviously Heron Hall.
Speaker 1: There are there are obviously Margaret's and Elizabeth.
Speaker 2: In the lineage. Of course now they're common names back
in the day, but Margaret could possibly refer to William
Herron's daughter, Margaret Heron, and.
Speaker 1: That's how the Hall actually got into the Terrell family
because she married James Terrell.
Speaker 3: That's right, yes, because it was the Heron family that
originally owned the property, but they didn't have a descendant
at one particular point, so it went to the daughter
who married her mister Terrell.
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Terrell is there is Elizabeth Terrell who was lady
mistress to the King's nursery. Mm hmm, it was so
again High Court. She married so Robert Darcy of Danbury. Now,
since that show, the Danburry thread is becoming stronger. I
got a psychic message when we were driving to another location,
completely separate issue.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden I get a download. Don't know, Richard,
And what did I say?
Speaker 3: We're going to need to go to Danbury?
Speaker 2: And why do we need to go to Danbury?
Speaker 3: The oh, yes, said you come up with these things,
don't we when we're just stuff, we're discussing stuff. And yes,
the Griffin, the White Griffin. Danbury does have a pub,
all the Griffin, We know that much. And it's got
its church, whether there's and that's opposite the church, whether
it's trying to direct us back from there. There was
a bit of a backstory that me and Kerry have
in another incarnation a few years ago. We did visit
the church, didn't we So perhaps it's calling us back there,
and there seems to be quite a peculiar story set
within the church itself with the big old NYE.
Speaker 2: Will hold that because we don't need to go into
that right now. The point the point is we hold
that that's what I mean. I don't have any more information.
I didn't any more than that and that so we
hold that.
Speaker 1: But the Elizabeth who married into the Darcy family, I
just love the Darcy name. I just it's so weird
how we've got a Darcy and a Wickham going on
through business.
Speaker 3: And that's your Austin coming through, isn't it? We being
mister Darcy.
Speaker 1: I know because we went to Saint Peter's in Wickham,
Bishop didn't we And I was like wicked Darcy, wicked Darcy.
Speaker 2: As back for a moment.
Speaker 1: Now, when we were in Saint Mary's Church, I picked
up the name as William. Sorry, Saint Mary's Church in Rumwell,
I picked up the name William.
Speaker 2: That was really important. And I've seen it in a
stained glass window and I couldn't see anything.
Speaker 1: There was loads of bright, but all I could see
effectively was the William. So we knew the name was
William was quite important. And myself, Richard and Darren have
been Williams have been popping up absolutely everywhere.
Speaker 3: Haven't they. When you're sort of studying this sort of
period of history around the sort of light the mid
to Late and Middle Ages as well, anytime. From the
Norman conquest onwards, it's Williams everywhere. I mean, you can't know.
You can't wave a stick that hitting at least two
or three of them.
Speaker 2: Except isn't it uncanny that every thread we led has
led to a prominent William in the thread?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, they seemed to be the people that start
off at the like the start of the family line,
don't they Which is the prominent one? It always seems
to be a William that sort of drags us in.
Speaker 2: What about you, Darrel with the William thang?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Of Williams in specifically there.
Speaker 4: Is loads and loads and loads wherever you go as
a William, but same as Elizabeth. I know. That's just as.
Speaker 1: A psychologist would argue that because it's become for in
my head, then we automatically you are sort of like
you gravitate towards that because you it's the foremost name
in your head.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't think so, because I mean, it's
it's all in the threat that we're looking for, Well,
we're not looking for When we're looking for a piece
of information and William comes up, you're not looking for it, PERSI,
which is favorate word. You're not looking at.
Speaker 2: Will They just happened to become prominent all of a sudden.
It's a really weird thing.
Speaker 3: Well, it's even with me. I even went off to
do some research on what were the most popular names
during the medieval period in England, and William doesn't come
up at the top. It's John, followed by third in
the list. So it's not even the most And do
we get any John's not really Thomas.
Speaker 2: Literally we just got one. One has just come up
on the spectrum.
Speaker 1: But that has been like nine months of crest and
we've only had one John, which this is and so
this is weird. The William thing is weird. And Marlana
said that specifically in regard to heron hole, William is
linked very specifically to the old folklore with the place.
It was like, right, that's interesting. William has been a
name that has been very prominent. So I'm holding that
as well. I just wanted to.
Speaker 2: Note it because of the name William that come up
before run well Saint.
Speaker 3: Mary's right, Okay, Now.
Speaker 2: She said that one building is important.
Speaker 1: She was referring to the barn area and she can
see it's like a house of posh horses and a
white horse is important now from day dot the horse
has been very key and that has got stronger and
stronger as we've gone through. Now the white horse is interesting.
So there is a white horse that's linked to the area,
not specifically Heron Hall. We've got no factual evidence that
we can place this specific horse at Heron Hall, but
we have got literally a stone throwaway Ingatestone Hall in
gates Stonehall, I keep calling it stone ingates Stone Hall
that was known to house this specific horse. This horse
is Morengo. Who is Morengo?
Speaker 3: Richard Marengo was Napoleon's horse, his favorite horse, which he
rode on campaigns, and it was the horse that he
was riding during the Battle of Waterloo, which was then
captured by the English by I believe one of the
associates of the Peter family and brought back here to
inglack Stone Hall. And it was not that uncommon to
see one of the Lord Peter's actually riding it around
the village. And you can actually go and actually see
the remains of Lorengo because they kept it for a
while and then they sold it on And the skeleton
now is actually in the British Army Museum in Chelsea.
I just found that out the other day, so I thought, well,
I'll keep that and have a podcast revelation.
Speaker 2: It's definitely a podcast revelation.
Speaker 4: It's well done on the books.
Speaker 2: Put that location in the diary.
Speaker 4: Boys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, me and Darryl as going the British Army Museum.
You leave that one to me and Darryl. Oh.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, Marengo is an Arabian fourteen point one hands
tall grayish white horse. She went far off right?
Speaker 3: No, well, yeah, I mean so that would you know
a day? But that sort of puts us into a
different timeline, doesn't it. I mean you.
Speaker 2: Do jump around timelines as well.
Speaker 1: I will warn you, you think, and my tutor and
my medieval am I where am I?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: More of the roses we've had come up so much.
So much we've learned about history, haven't we.
Speaker 3: I think this is one of these sort of like
good aspects of doing this, and it's been quite a
pleasure for sort of taking because you know, I quite
like my history and I'm really into the history, and
it's been quite sort of good for me, like to
take you guys out and around and sort of showing
you all this sort of history and stuff and sort
of watching you two like soak it up as well.
I think, yeah, you know, it's good. It's addictive once
you get into it and actually going around and exploring
these places. So it's good in that respect. But this
sort of like requesting aspect just gives it a bit more.
It really does.
Speaker 4: Yeh, someplace you wouldn't You won't go and even think
about unless she was on this journey and these places
come up. Then it will just pass over. You won't
even think about going anywhere like that. Anyway.
Speaker 3: It kiss us out of the bat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, definitely gives you nice and fit.
Speaker 3: Prety nice and fit. We've always had breakfast we go usually,
so that's another.
Speaker 4: You can't be a fried breakfast to get you want
to go down for.
Speaker 1: You personally, because this is we're following. We're following the
historic side. But there's another side to this as well,
isn't It's about what you like, you say, you gain
from it on a spiritual level as well.
Speaker 2: You're going to churches, going to church services. I mean
none of us are religious.
Speaker 4: People, are we definitely well, I mean, well even think
about it, said to me, are you going to guard joke?
What not?
Speaker 2: Mean?
Speaker 4: I don't go church, but the church is now and
the services.
Speaker 3: Must be worried because we haven't beat the church for
a little while.
Speaker 2: If we haven't, No, we haven't. So what has it
done for you personally? Within that?
Speaker 1: Because that this is a massive side to this as well.
You learn so much about yourself, don't you.
Speaker 3: Myself. I've reconciled the differences and stuff I had, I
suppose with Christianity. I'm a lot more accepting of it.
I went through a bit of a stage where I
wasn't too too sort of like impressed with it. But
now I sort of came back to sort of like
looking at it differently from a fresh approach, And yes,
I get it now and I'm feeling I feel a
lot more comfortable with it and being around it stuff
and talking to and going to church stuff like that.
I feel a lot more comfortable in that respect.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean I would never have gone to church,
you know. I mean, and now I don't think nothing
of it. I mean we said why we go to
church or something? Yeah, fine, I was something. I ain't
going to church again. I mean I look forward to
going to church now. I mean, because they're always the same,
the different services, they're different people in there. It's different.
There's so many different churches and so many different feelings
you get from it. Yeah, I really enjoy it now.
Speaker 1: But it's sole feeling, isn't it. It's not the devotion
to a specific Christ. It's I find when I hit
a church it's as I'm not there specifically for the service,
I'm there for the it's just a place of power.
You just sit in your sun, your center, in your spirituality,
and however that takes its fall, and it's so it's
like a peaceful place. It's like you literally step into
your peace when you step into the church. When you're
in your peace, everything is so clear.
Speaker 3: Yes, and there certainly is a difference when you go
into an empty church that it has its own sort
of residence and stuff. You can walk around, look and stuff.
But when you go to a church service, it just
takes it up to that next level. You're sort of
you're in the place of what it's there for. You know,
it's like they've started the edgine up right, you know,
let's get the function. You know, so you go to
these places and you can either look at them it's
just historic old buildings, which when they're empty, you'll suppose
that's basically what they are. But then you can go
on a Sunday service and it's alive places actually alive.
Speaker 2: And that's when you.
Speaker 1: Think some of these churches are like twelfth century or older.
And all those years, all that time, varying people in
varying guises in the church has.
Speaker 2: Formed and fallen down and been rebuilt and someone's added
a bit, and all of that's going on, and people
going and worshiping and then coming away, and it's just
all those years of people doing the same devotion, same
mindset in the same place. There's such hubs of power.
That's what I mean by power, the.
Speaker 1: Faith, that belief that's there, the godless that's built from
it's just astonishing places of As I say, it brings
you right into your peace moment and everything betomes clear.
Speaker 3: I think what it's got for me as well, it
shows the power of collective worship. You get a group together,
that's you know, And that's what I've sort of realized.
I mean, I think, like myself, I'm not too good
at sort of like trying to summon this up on
my own sort of you know, this spiritual thing, and
on the own I find it quite sort of difficult.
But you know, you sort of put me within a
large group then you know you sort of feed off
each other, don't you.
Speaker 4: At all? Yeah, I've never been in spiritual but yeah,
as you say, it does bring it up when you're
in the church with a lot more people there. I mean, so.
Speaker 1: On the show all I show my Lena is a
photograph of All Saints Church. Now I knew at that
point that me and the lads were going to puddle
off because Richard had very brilliantly got in contact with
what because the church is All Saints Church in Harden.
Speaker 3: In Harden, and it's it's no longer in use, and
it's within the pair of the Church's Trust, which is
a national sort of like trust type organization that look
after all these old abandoned churches you get across the country,
and All Saints is obviously one of them. So I
tracked down their website, went on it, and it's said
and if you want to have a look around, here's
our email address and we can see what we can
work out for you. So I sent an email and
they came straight back to me and go, yeah, we
we have raised the time and we went and had
quite a nice little evening down there, didn't.
Speaker 2: Yes, we did. We had a lovely and it was
a lovely evening as well, perfect summer evening now. And
that's the beauty of it as well.
Speaker 1: That's another side of it, you know, living and being
out there in the weather is just.
Speaker 2: A different.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate all weather, but the lads are not
quite so well. All Saints Church is important is because
it's the Terrell family's church, so they have their crips there.
They have a lot of Torells are buried at this church.
So that's where it led us.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: It's also on the map, the Laylans Map, lay Lions Map.
Even that Darryl, you track down a late like God,
God say it, what is its line? And all says
church is one of those supposed like layline hub mo points.
Speaker 2: So that was quite interesting as well because.
Speaker 4: For Terry for doing the maps, yeah very much.
Speaker 2: So I think he's sold out now then, isn't he. Yeah,
mind you, if he gets enough people one in one
then he may well have to do a reprint.
Speaker 1: That would be nice, isn't it. So anyway, let's get
back to All Saints Church. Now I'm going to just
read off what Malnas said about and she's literally doing
this from a photograph, and then we're going to talk
more about our experience at that church. So rather quickly,
she said, the two exes on the side of the church. Now,
bearing in mind she's looking at a photograph which is
looking at the north side of the church and just
the corner of the tower, and she said, marking like
an x three of them. It's a triangle. She had
the name Sergeant Beagle, which is the dog. Information is
covered in layers. Margaret Thatcher, not the government. One further back,
James Williamson or Williamson third of nine. Philip Terrell is
important eighteen seventy two twenty eight, six August. Now a
picture of the original church is important. It's like it's
out of place. It was aligned and now it's not.
She said, find the history of the church from the beginning.
There's a national treasure hidden in the church. Halfway in.
Look at the floor. There's a circle on the center.
It's got some marking. She did a drawing which I've
got and I will, you know.
Speaker 2: Put it up on the website.
Speaker 1: Now that that was recorded on the twenty third, on
the Saturday the twenty third. We visited on the twelfth
of August, so this was a couple of weeks later.
Speaker 2: So on that one.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the church, now, Richard, this is what
your baby on this one, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Oh yes, it's it's a Tudor brick church, but it's
built of a much older Norman church. And again the
Norman church was built on top of a much earlier
Saxon church. So so the church you see today is
from the sixteenth century, but it and it actually said
it's one of the best examples of a brick built
church in the country. And it is sort of all brick,
you know. You sort of walk around the outside and
he cannot help but sort of not notice this. And
when we went inside the actual church I must have met.
We went inside off and it was sort of I thought,
oh dear, it's so empty. I mean, you know, but
I sort of persevered. But the theme with the church
is there is a lot of information in there. You
just have to look at the floor. I mean, I mean,
there's still a lot of people in there, you know,
a lot of sort of little monuments and stuff on
the floors and stuff like that. So the longer I
was in there, I don't know whether you felt the same, guys,
but the more I was sort of like cheering into
the place and was getting quite a lot from the church.
Speaker 2: Oh it talked, It definitely talked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was sort of like talking to the
did ASTERI and I sort of stayed with her, and
so she was sort of like we was just sort
of checking whilst the whilst Kerry and Darryl were off
sort of doing the photographing and sort of doing their thing.
So I don't know what you were getting, Kerry. I mean,
you seem to be quite quite focused in Tea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was. So there was a lot going on
in that church, and I.
Speaker 1: Do feel it was more important for us to be present,
if that makes sense. Like we took loads of photographs
of this particular church, loads and there were some really cute,
some beautiful tombs in the.
Speaker 2: Walls of the Terrell family.
Speaker 1: The the tomb that was supposed to house Amberlyn's heart,
we found out was actually called the Peter Chapel.
Speaker 2: Right, God I can't get my words out tonight, which
was weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just.
Speaker 2: Find that name had kind of like popped up on
our spectrum. Yes, then we found out about the Powell
family that were there that was you know, like in
the walls.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of historical importance to these places.
For example, on this one, this particular church is it's
like got two stories to it.
Speaker 2: It's like it's got like sort of like balconies.
Speaker 1: It's almost like a Romeo and Juliet moment, isn't it,
because it's not even.
Speaker 2: That big behind it? And I reckon that someone lived
up there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I reckon that. Yeah, they're sort of like
I suppose before they built vicarages for churches, perhaps the
Vicaers actually lived in the church. But it had a
fireplace where one of the rooms on the one side
of the church had one place and everything in there.
And they did say it was for when they had
a couple of people that used to have sort of
like living there.
Speaker 4: Really small, really small rooms, weren't they, especially if you
had that that that bit going across it where it's gold.
Speaker 3: Where the guy did say because both rooms were opposite
each other on one one one side of the church
and the other the other side. And the guy did say,
and they would have been connected by a walkway in between,
a covered sort of walkway, so you don't know what
that had in it as well. So that would have
given that area up there a bit more space because
it gives the rooms less space, then it because you've
got two doors coming into in two different places. Yeah, true,
but the the doorway without the fireplace on the other side,
that was recently added to gain access up to that group.
Speaker 4: What the dor the stairwell, Yeah, that stairwell was It
was the stair by the door coming in them.
Speaker 3: That was the original entrance.
Speaker 2: Right. Well. Through the years, this church has taken a
bit of a hammering.
Speaker 1: It has had vandalism, it's had raves there, it's had well,
you know, during the World War it got bombed. I
mean it's it's really it was in a bit of
a mess. But it's been restored as best it can.
It's tight, it's lovely, it's gorgeous. And one of the
things that I noted was the large blocks of pudding
stone uncovered when the pastor was removed were part of
the original church.
Speaker 3: The Norman Church yes, because they did use and you
could see the Norman archers down one side which separated
the Peta chapel from the main chancel. Those were the
original sort from the as they did incorporate within the
interior of the church obviously bits and pieces from the
old church, so that makes perfect sense.
Speaker 1: Now there is a side chapel where Sir Thomas Terrell
and his wife Anne, who is from Leamani was buried
and it's beneath a stone to chest. Now that would
have had a brass like kind of effigy on it,
but that's now gone, hasn't it.
Speaker 2: The brass has got stolen.
Speaker 1: This is really common as well, the amount of stolen stuff.
Speaker 2: If it's not from the Reformation. You then got years
of other people going and taking stuff and adding stuff
to these churches.
Speaker 3: And they sort of took their fair share. Then you
had the English Civil War they went in and well
sort of didn't exactly take their fair share. They've done
a lot of vandalism back then, even back then, and yeah,
and then up to modern times, you know, having raids
and kids and stuff like that. I mean it's a
shame really, but but do you call it part of
the history of the church or you know, it's one
of those things, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I think that's part of the evolution. Isn't it happen?
It will happen. And I know that sounds like a
really horrible thing to say in certain circumstances, but it's
meant to be. It's meant to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: But even the roof bosses like had been stolen. Basically
what they've got there now are like recreations of them.
So this is what I mean. They have sort of
like recreated it. But these original tombs are amazing. There
is a very special tomb there to Lady Alice Terrell.
Speaker 2: Now she was removed at one point and got.
Speaker 1: Put and she is the lady that is like a
full figure, isn't it carved on top of this white
tomb that's literally just to the right of the altar area.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the one that was broken in the middle. Yes,
I think one had a cracked right across the middom.
Speaker 1: Lady Alice Terrell, Now this is the lady. She had
ten children, now in varying sites. It varies between nine
and ten, so we're not one hundred percent sure if
she had nine or she had ten. If she had nine,
they may have left that one, the tenth one blank
for that reason. Or she had ten children. So this
becomes important because there are reasons why names get left
off of tombs.
Speaker 2: We found out.
Speaker 1: Firstly, it could be what I just said, an architect,
there wasn't a tenth child, so it was left blank.
Another reason is it could be the child died before
it was named, so it's like before.
Speaker 2: However, there is another reason.
Speaker 1: If the child becomes attached later in life to a
religious order, they don't They're not part of that family anymore.
Speaker 2: She's now gone into family exactly.
Speaker 3: So I get it. Yeah, it makes sense. I suppose now.
Speaker 1: We know Theterrells are linked to run Well and the
Souilliard family because we have a marriage link there, Yes
we do. And we were wondering, and this is only
your wondering if the tenth name from Anna's Terrell could
possibly indicate the beginning of the Terrell's connection to the
prior at the Well. But we haven't got any any
link there yet with just a simonization. But it's an
interesting one, wasn't it.
Speaker 3: That is interesting because yea, the prioress is a is
a whole new sort of anundrum by itself. I mean,
you look at the official historical records run well, has
no record have there ever been a priory there anyway
or sort of like a nunnery, you know, in the
official records, it's sort of it's it's really weird. But
within local records and histories, it's always talked about there
being a sort of some sort of religious building there,
you know. So where do you go with that?
Speaker 1: Well, again, you kind of have to just leave it
there until we get anything more concrete that indicate Raliceterrell
had a tenth child and that tenth child went on
into a religious order, which is why she's not named
on the two. But until we get that information, we
can't sort of like, we can't assume that. But it
was interesting to issue. But this is where your mind
goes with it, go, oh could it be that? But
we see, we wait and see how it plays out. So,
Sir John Terrell of Hernhaal, he died in sixteen seventy five,
and that has been recovered and be put back. And
his description or his inscription which he wrote himself, sort
of describes life as it was for him back then, Darryl,
would you like to read that?
Speaker 2: Have you got it up? A?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's once decimated twice in prison, thrice sequested. He
holds his peace as off as plundered here life buried
John Terrell Knight.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now that in itself says a whole lot, doesn't it, Richard?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I suppose it does. Once twice in prison where was
it imprisonable? You know, sort of sort of it does
give quite specific sort of stuff, sort of an information there, So.
Speaker 4: More dig in on the internet to find.
Speaker 2: Him, dig in on that one have We do know
some of it. We do know some of it. But
we will hold that and then come back to that.
Speaker 1: God, we're going to be We've got shows enough to
come back to for the next twenty years at this rate.
Speaker 2: Spirit, you know, like can we get it? Now?
Speaker 1: There is another marble monument there. It commemorates to Till
again his wife Martha. Now this is where Washington first started,
because Washington has been a whole journey around the globe,
isn't it. Guys?
Speaker 3: Well, yes, you can put it that way, can't you?
Sort of like it's it's we seem there does seem
to be a transatlantic link that has dropped up a
few times. Even back in the early days when we
were sort of like around, we was looking around the
Titanic link, which kept coming up, and again you could argue, well,
that's a trans atlantic sort of link. Was where was
the Titanic heading towards you know, when it's sunk for America,
wasn't it? So we seem to be having this American link,
and not only sort of sort of tentatively, you know,
we've got the Washington link and well there was only
one really famous Washington, isn't it, And it does appear
to be pointed towards that branch of the family.
Speaker 1: It's a little strange how the American Civil War period
keeps coming up in very in disguises because on the
other show, Milena had said Philip, So I looked at
Philip Terrell, because that's what we were talking about at
the time, and I couldn't find.
Speaker 2: A Philip Terrell.
Speaker 1: But I did find a Philippe Terrell feminine, and he
married Thomas corn Wallace of Rome's Suffolk.
Speaker 2: Which links into the American Civil War and Washington and
all of that. Malarkey, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a director, direct descendant of Charles called Wallace,
who was the British commander during the American War of Independence. Yeah,
the top guy was ahead of British sports and fighting
in North America.
Speaker 1: And when we went to Morden, we got pulled back
to a church that we'd already been in because it
was absolutely chucking it down, wasn't it, moys.
Speaker 2: And this was the day the puzzle. The rain drove
us into the church. This was the day the puzzle
pieces are coming.
Speaker 1: As we got out the car, we got into All
Saints Church in Marden High Street, and then we found
the Darcy Chapel, which obviously was important because of Elizabeth.
And then we saw the stained glass window and in
it was three Nights and it was called the Washington Window,
and that was actually dedicated to the former rector of Paley,
Reverend Lawrence Washington, who was actually the great great grandfather
of George Washington, the first the President of the United States.
Speaker 2: Now we haven't really gone down the mouth of Washington link. However,
another really weird synchronicity with this was literally yesterday. This
happened yesterday. We're following a different thread. We just we
will find out more about that.
Speaker 1: Later, but literally at the end of the whole conversation
literally dropped in as if it had come from nowhere
was the Oh, by the way, my direct.
Speaker 2: Lineage is who was it? Can you remember? I'm sorry,
Lord Peter, oh right, yes, locked in right at.
Speaker 1: The end of the conversation, and it was about his
direct lineage too.
Speaker 3: Were you going to have to tell me? I mean,
I still processing.
Speaker 2: I can't be fair. I can't remember the name.
Speaker 1: But it was literally to do with the signing of
the Declaration of Independence.
Speaker 3: Yes, one of his forebears is a signatory on the
Declaration of Independence. Yes.
Speaker 6: So we were a bit like, oh, thank you, you know,
I mean, it's just weird how all of these things
keep coming up and the synchronicities of this go off scale.
Speaker 1: It's just one of those where it literally wasn't even
a question we thought about because we were looking at
Tudor period on this one.
Speaker 2: We were trying to find out more about the Billin,
the Bilin Peter, the blinter rail links, you know, between.
Speaker 1: The families, and he literally dropped that in the last
literally the last moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which has given us sort of something to really
go away and think about. I take it. And you
wrote that you did write down a person's name, didn't you.
Speaker 2: I did. I haven't got it to hand, but I
definitely wrote that down. I'm sure.
Speaker 3: He looks like an interesting one to look up the
But as you said, Kerry, that is about the storm, A.
Speaker 2: Totally different though.
Speaker 1: I mean, because that we could go on for hours
about just on that one. So, oh, my goodness, me,
a lot was going on in this church. Please please
please go check out the website, not just ours, but
the actual churches websites. These places are like amazing for history.
Because there's another there's another memorial on the ground, and
this is a black marble slab and it's in memory
of Martha mild May.
Speaker 2: Again, the mild making action keeps coming up.
Speaker 1: I expect the families to be interconnected, don't we We
expect them to be interconnected. We found something quite a
perception that I hadn't thought of before yesterday as well,
which was about how back in the day, you know,
the Tudor kind of period of time, with all the
religious issues going on, we always queried the trails of
a strong Protestant family, and the Peters were a strong
Catholic family.
Speaker 2: And we didn't.
Speaker 1: We knew that that was there, but we didn't realize
how that stopped connections between the family, because we said, God,
they live next door to each other, they must have
known they get married at some point, and it's only
until later down the line actually that we come across
William Peter who marries into or marries a director ow
and a Exterrell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Exterrell. Yes, it's sort of and it
was a funny one. Yeah, he marries a descendant of
the Terrell and then she passes away, and then he
marries another Torell, she or someone's that married into the
Royals and she returned widow and he married her. So
that was someone brown, wasn't it. So yeah, so there
is a genuine link, but that was it.
Speaker 2: That was it. Yeah, nothing more wrong that first one.
Speaker 1: Nothing more links the Terrell family to the Peter family.
And that is because when they got married, because of
this religious faction, Catholics with no other Catholic families because
they're clandestine and they're.
Speaker 2: Like over being quiet about their worship.
Speaker 1: Catholics and Protestants did the same, So you end up
with sort of like a weird divide at this in
time within the county because literally because of the religious factions,
don't you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's you know, sort of thinking about it
now it makes so much sense, but we were sort
of thinking about it for a more sort of nuanced
type of thing. Well, they must have known each other,
and they must have had business dealings with each other,
they must have intermarried, but just literally no.
Speaker 2: They keep them kind of we keep ourselves to ourselves
and we just get on kind of vibe, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yes, take the risks. And that was quite sort of
like a revelation. And I felt and I definitely come
away with that that if we do follow the Peter family,
we are going to have to look a lot further
afield or any other sort of light descendence and offshoots,
and they could be anywhere around the country by.
Speaker 2: Now, allow year of Little Faith riches.
Speaker 4: With another visit with Lord Peter.
Speaker 2: Not yet, but we will. I'm sure I still want
to get my hands on that book. I will ask
more directly next time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Well, this church is literally saturated with Tourell's. Yeah, Like,
there's so much that goes on in this church with
the Terrells. You've got the Amberlin story, You've got the
dragon story.
Speaker 2: And you know it's funny, isn't it, because the other
side of it is the Blin family and all of this.
Now with the Berlin family, we found that the Terrells
have got absolutely no connection to them at all, have they? Richard?
Speaker 3: Uh? No connection with the happens to be the family
that store.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's weird, which is the Peter family.
Speaker 1: Were wondering, Hang on a minute. We're in a terraill church.
Why is there a Peter Chapel for a start, which
is supposed to be linked to Aramberling's heart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hang on a minute.
Speaker 1: And literally right at the end of this visit to
All Saints Church, Astridge drops in.
Speaker 2: What does she drop in? Richard? Uh?
Speaker 4: The Peter Chapel.
Speaker 2: Well done, Darryl.
Speaker 4: We haven't been there yet.
Speaker 2: No, the Peter Chapel is in the woods, just over
the way. Bearing in mind we parked in the park.
It's in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where you have to park, so it's literally
a stone throw away. There's a chapel in the woods
called the Peter Chapel. So my brain went, do maybe
they're talking about her heart being buried in that chapel,
except Daryl found out the day and it was.
Speaker 4: What I was, it was far out from that when
when it was without looking it up, it was it.
Speaker 2: Was a way out fifty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was eighteen.
Speaker 4: But we still don't know. I referring to the heart,
it could not be the actual heart. It could be
something else to.
Speaker 3: Do with it, let us be.
Speaker 4: I think it could be more like still be although
it's it's eighteen hundreds that it was done, they could
still be there because if it's not necessarily the heart
and it's something else to do lovely as as you
said before, I don't think that's been on any recordings,
they could be put there at that particular time. So
I mean, because they're not going to be destroyed, are they.
They're still going to be in one piece.
Speaker 2: And if you think about language back in the day,
they would have said it it was her heart.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, yeah, the heart could symbolize something else.
I mean, there's lots of symbolisms, you know, to do
with with arts, isn't there I mean, and that is
quite you know, and you don't have to sort of
that and that's not too far a leap to say, Well,
perhaps it doesn't mean the physical heart, which obviously doesn't.
What is this heart supposed to represent? And this is
sort of something we're sort of looking at at the moment,
isn't it.
Speaker 1: It is so obviously with them followed that up, however,
what we gained from All Saints' Church was so much
insight into the preservation of heritage, of the community's passion
for keeping the building alive, and the respect that shows
the graves that are there that it is very much
a community church still even in this day and age,
it still has its own full it still has its
own power. But for us, I have to say it
was incredibly insightful, wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a good place at the end of
the day. It just stands there like a like a modelist.
Wasn't it above? Was it the A one seven? Is
it down there?
Speaker 4: So we're still getting me We'll go back and get
more information out of it. I mean, you're still more
there to.
Speaker 2: Get there is I think so too. It's a beautiful place.
Go check it out. On one last bombshell, Mylene has
said about the three crosses. I talked about that right
before we delved into All States. Yeah, on the stained
glass window, and I only noticed this when I was
uploading them to our website. There are three red crosses.
That's it.
Speaker 3: In the state.
Speaker 5: Well done we did, Yeah, Livesquest dot co dot UK exactly,
well done, Daryl, well done.
Speaker 4: It's still in progress, so it's not complete.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 4: Working progress, yeah, working progress. We'll slowly get in it.
I mean, it's the first time I've done anything like this,
so it's navigating yourself around it and trying to find
We still haven't fun out folders and things like that yet.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 2: Press is all we're going to say on that one,
So bear weird.
Speaker 1: Our next show takes us into Ingates Stowe itself because
in Gates stone In itself, I know stone In gets Stone. However,
I'm going to hold back on anything else because that's
where the thread leads. It leads us automatically from All Saints.
She dropped it in at the last moment about like
the Peter's Chapel.
Speaker 3: And we were like, look at that. However, there has.
Speaker 2: Been a load of other stuff going on on another thread,
which is the Mordern thread, so we'll delve into that
a little bit more on the next show too. So
any last words, lads on this weird and wacky.
Speaker 4: Journey, bring us more, but bring it now.
Speaker 3: I think the echo just.
Speaker 2: Said, still trying to teach them that lesson. Guys on
that note say good night, good no