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Speaker 1: Good evening and welcome to Life's Quest Episode fave. And

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in the studio we have got mister Darryl Barry and

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mister Richard Clements can even my boys, how are we fine?

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Speaker 2: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: You're not not too bad myself? Yeah, just picking back,

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relaxing and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 2: I think we deserve it. We've been on a bit

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of a whistle stop tour in the last couple of

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months and we haven't stopped.

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Speaker 3: And you're right there, you've been near there everywhere.

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Speaker 1: So on the last episode we did a spiritual kind

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of reading show with Marlena, and the one before that

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when we had the boys on, we were at heron

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Haun So tonight we're following off the back of that,

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really because a few things that Marlena said in her show,

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that spirit side of the show.

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Speaker 2: It's quite relevant, isn't it. Boys. I mean, it's like.

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Speaker 1: One thing when your boot's on the ground and you're

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getting insights. I call them when you're like they're because

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they can be a bit weird, can't they.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, I mean like going about I mean I

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tend to have to reflect on that. I don't tend

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to get a lot when I'm out about and I

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get a few sort of hints and stuff like that,

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but nothing sort of too solid. It's not until I

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put away and get home and usually light in bed

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and sort of recap on the day things start to

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build up. And then when you come back to us

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a bit later on and sort of say, oh, my

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lane and got this or got that, we can start

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sort of putting pieces together, and it's sort of just

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sort of helps us all along a bit further. So, yeah,

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it is, uh is, it is getting quite insightful in

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a few areas. I mustn't admit it's.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what about you, Darah? How are you fighting this journey?

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Speaker 4: We're all one way or another.

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Speaker 3: Blessing?

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Speaker 2: How does it work for you?

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Speaker 1: Because, like Richard said, like for me, it happens very

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much in the moment, and but for like Richard, it's

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in retrospect. It's like when he's letting things process. Well,

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how does it work for you in your in that space?

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How do the insights come to you?

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Speaker 4: It's a bit of both, really. I mean I get

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some bits when I'm there actually on with the boats

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on the ground there, and then I of things reflecting

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back on it later on you think about it and oh, yeah, this,

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this and that. I mean, sorry, it's a bit of

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fifty to fifty really like you you get all the

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all there, Richard gets it when he gets back, sort

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of in between, a bit of an in between.

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Speaker 1: It's quite a nice balance though, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah it does because when you look

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at things and things come out and you think, well,

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I'll look at a bit a bit more details, you know

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what I mean, And then when you get back and

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you get even more out of it as well. So yes,

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it's enjoyable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, particularly like you're looking at the photographs and stuff.

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It brings things back and you can look at things

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a bit more closely.

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Speaker 2: Or amazing what you see.

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Speaker 4: So when you when you when you look at the

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photos after, there's a lot more things in the photos

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that you can't actually see straight away because you look

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at you I didn't see that before because you can't

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you can't literally take everything in at once, there's too much.

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So when you're reflecting and looking back at it, you

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can pick up things better in the photos as well

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as there as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that there, or I mean

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sort of like the photographs sort of because we're all

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there together then, aren't we, And we're sort of just

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having a We download art, we download all our photographs

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into our particular WhatsApp we have going, and then we

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can all sit there and go through them together, and

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you have thoughts and insights around each photograph or or

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some photographs might might mean more to others than.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, we can both take a picture of the

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same theme. They're not the same as their different angles

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and things like that, so you get to see different

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things all the time.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's very subtle, isn't it. Sort of stuff in photographs,

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hell did I miss that? When when I was.

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Speaker 1: This is true, This is true now some of what

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we see in the front. Some would argue that it's paradolia.

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and this is a well known psychological phenomenon, and it's basically,

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your eyes are trained to see patterns.

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Speaker 2: Your mind will pick up patterns wherever you look.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, so you get a photograph, you

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get a face in This is like the Jesus in

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the toast kind of scenario, isn't it. And you know

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the paradolia that comes through where you're seeing something that

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may not be there. But as my argument is, trying

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to see patterns, and we look at a pattern, what

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we see in front of us is all manifestation and

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is then so when you see something in the pattern,

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faces and stuff, me, that is spirit. And I've changed

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my viewpoint on this hugely since I've awoken. I suppose

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you would call it where do you sit with that now, Richard?

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Speaker 3: Very special, we call it paradonia, I know, but I've

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sort of moved on a bit from the pure skeptical

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form of paradonia. You know when I say, oh, it's

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just paradonia, it's just paradonia, you know. But I always

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think it's worth having a look when you sort of

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look at photographs and stuff, even if you're sort of

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like paranormal investigating. I suppose, because you know, it can

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it can give some stuff away, you know, there can

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be some sort of relevant sort of bits and pieces

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sort of like come through with the paradonia. I mean,

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of fire scrining type thing and looking into embers and

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stuff that doesn't really work for me, but photographs do.

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And I must admit it has calmed down lately. When

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was getting a lot of stuff, mainly animals and mainly dogs,

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but yeah, for some and not just sort of like,

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oh and that looks like dog. I was actually getting

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specific breeds of dogs and I think, oh, that's a

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battt ound, and here's a sort of some burner and

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sort of I mean I was getting real specific, sort

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of type sort of imagery. I mean that's sort of

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like calved down now. But what I find was, I

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think Daryl pointed out the other day, and you did

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this world carry I tend to pick up these things

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when we're actually out and about more a sort of

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I see the wildlife more sort of like before. You

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guys sort of like that, and I seem to be

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very attuned to that.

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Speaker 2: I've got two animal people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got mister Doolittle in the Daryl who seems

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to animals draw to him. And then rich spots them

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right on the dog thing. Richard, Yes, you remember which

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dog breed you most saw.

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Speaker 3: I saw a lot of sort of Coowlly type dogs

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type Bassett Towns, you know, the sort of long, longy

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you actually said.

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Speaker 2: What you actually said back then.

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Speaker 1: I've got it all on recordings, right, Yeah, as this

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journey on Fuld, you're you'll soon understand why the beagle

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Speaker 2: Really really important. But that's a thread for another time.

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Speaker 1: But it's weird how these things come up and how

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they manifest in the physical in in fact hardcore fact,

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and this is this is the weird crossover. Trying to

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get the balance right really, to sort of explain how

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it works spiritually and how it validates. Yeah, and that

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balance is sometimes a little hard to get because sometimes

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it can be really cryptic, can't it. Like you're seeing

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beagles in a lot of aura stone and yeah, becomes

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so relevant.

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Speaker 3: And then I would have a space I've actually seeing

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actual beebles people walking. But the thing is, I don't

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know whether I'm more pro prone to sort of like

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and they were beagles as well, so there's a bit

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of a family connection. I suppose through me with beagles,

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but they are sort of for some reason, they do

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seem to be well at one point at least a

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part of this quest. But as you said, Perry, this

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is another story for another time.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing with spirit messages is they get stronger.

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something like, for example, the beagle in a photograph or

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a piece of wood or a stone.

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Speaker 2: Or whatever, and it's like, it could mean anything.

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Speaker 1: It could be the dog breed, it could be a name,

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Speaker 2: And then it gets stronger.

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Speaker 1: So it started with just seeing images in paradolia fashion.

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Speaker 2: Then it occurred you started to see them in the

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physical being walked or they we'd see one across.

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Speaker 1: The road or down the lane or something, wouldn't we

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if it's relevant, you'll find that these messages get stronger.

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start reoccurring. The reoccurring theme comes in and then all

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Speaker 3: And it's all about.

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Speaker 1: Divine timing, which is you, boy, you hate divine time?

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Speaker 2: I mean, don't you, Darryl.

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Speaker 3: I've been with like the beagles and the stuff like that.

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which seem to be quite location specific.

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Speaker 2: But we're talking about divine timing, aren't we, so, Darryl.

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Speaker 1: It's that it's the easiest thing to say, just go

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Speaker 2: It will happen as it should. You will never be

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in the wrong place.

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Speaker 1: It will always be exactly where you need to be

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in the right time.

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Speaker 4: And I want it there. And then you know what

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out then I mean my seat there, see it now,

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not wait for another week. I mean you think and

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you don't see anything in a week later. It all

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comes in thee time, it all.

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Speaker 2: Now, this has been a source of frustration, shall we

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say with you too? Has it? The divine timing? But

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it always plays out, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: I mean I can understand divine timing to a certain extent.

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to do something or you know, particularly with ceremony or

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stuff like that, wait for a full moon or wait

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for a specific date, or wait until mercury is in

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retrograde to sort of like do stuff and stand that.

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I think, no, and we can go now and do that,

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and that's not a proper I'm not down.

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Speaker 2: Spirit have their own timing.

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Speaker 1: You have to understand because everything is happening in this moment.

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Speaker 2: When you're ready, I think is the expression and the

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releasing to the flow of that can be very frustrating.

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Speaker 1: However, last week's show was my Laner's like little showcase

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of psychic abilities, so I thought it'd be interesting to

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just have a little.

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Speaker 4: Look at your well yours as well.

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Speaker 2: Mine's more when we're there, though, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: You still get the cycle when you're with my lang away.

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both bringing it in that particular. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Because the problem I have for myself though, is I

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as well as Richard. No, that's not me being big

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headies at all.

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Speaker 1: I have to bridge it so effectively that puts anything

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I pick up psychically, a skeptic.

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Speaker 2: Would go, yeah, but you've read that somewhere.

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your brain is just putting forward.

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Speaker 2: That information because it's all stored right.

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Speaker 1: So for myself, yes I'm picking up a lot, and

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yes I get a lot validated.

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Speaker 2: But for this public forum, I.

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Speaker 1: Kind of That's one of the reasons we've separated it

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because the only person who needs to be trusted here

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is me. So I'm whether I tell her or not,

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everyone's going to have to trust that I don't and

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trust me don't. I work her hard. If you've listened

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to the last show, I whipped her around.

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Speaker 2: Ethics know whether she was coming or going the poor

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love Her team was working really hard. But out of

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that's some really interesting information came through. Now we did.

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Speaker 1: She was part of the trip to Thundersley Chat and

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she was part of the visit to heron Hole.

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Speaker 2: However, we didn't know at that point anything about these churches.

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Speaker 1: What was strange was on the day I recorded the

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show with Marlena, the boys went out on a jolly,

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didn't you boys?

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Speaker 2: Where did you pop off to that day?

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Speaker 4: Do you remember Sugar Garrison?

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War stuff. And it's not really a girly bag thing.

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Speaker 3: We liked that look old gun in places.

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Speaker 4: Divine timing. It's all in the divine.

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Speaker 2: Timing, because they went, I know, I've got to go

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and have a look at it because there's something really

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important there which is the weirdest thing. And I'm like, oh,

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world War two stuff.

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come up from kind of the beginning.

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Speaker 3: It's been there and hasn't it. And the thing is,

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everywhere we go, we'll have some sort of World War

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two connection or something would have happened there during World

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War Two. So it's very difficult to try and pin

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down where this World War connection actually sits within the

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places we've visited. So I thought, well, you know, come

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on therere and we'll actually go to a place where

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there's nothing but World War two stuff. You go for it,

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feel your boots.

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Speaker 2: And I was recording a show with my laners, so

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I wasn't able to attend anyway.

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Speaker 4: Whilst we want, Pad didn't want to attend.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna think I'll go. So while we was on

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that particular show, Marlena explained about a hole in the

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ground which has got like bars over it, and there'll

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be two and in one of them the ground were

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called boggy, and that's a trap. So you need to

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go to the overgrown one and the ground stadium. Now

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that's in the show. Literally straight after the show, they

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sent me Richard sends me a picture. Can you remember

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what picture it was, Richard.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was. It was like an ammunition store, scrope

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airad shelter, all of feet, which was on the garrison

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and the old garrison of Shrewsbury and or Shrewziness. And

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so I say, and there was three of them in

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this park land and there were just very low mounds

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with a door on the side which was all barred off.

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Speaker 1: Basically a hole in the ground with a metal grid

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across it.

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Speaker 2: And at the time you only showed me a picture

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of one.

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Speaker 1: Later on you told me there were two, and then

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you went, oh, no, actually there were three, was what

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she picked up on.

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Speaker 5: Well, anyway, on this one two of them. One of

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them is actually in uh one of the gardens. There's

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two actually in the park that you can actually walk

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in and down and see them. And there's another one

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in the actual garden which you can't get into. So

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technically she was right about two first.

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Speaker 4: Of all, because there was two together and the other

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one is not accessible. I was running around it, which

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phe found very interesting.

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Speaker 2: Going out to buy a law mo that's like one

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of them automatic LUTs. So that was the first thing.

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Speaker 1: Now, obviously we're going to have to go back, but

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it may not be there, it may be somewhere around.

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And she was just like, that's it. That's what it's like.

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It's like right, Okay, that was fascinating.

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Speaker 2: We went on to heron Hall and she said she

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felt that the house was in the wrong place. And

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again she was right about that, wasn't she.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because the old house is already knocked down and

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they rebuilt a new one, so the original house is

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and where it used to be, it's not.

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Speaker 1: The original house was taken down in seventeen ninety, so

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she was right. She hit the nail on the head.

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Speaker 2: There now, and we know it's a ruin because we've

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been there and we know that there's a farmhouse next

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to it that's been built. So yeah, you know, SPA.

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Speaker 1: The next thing is an ongoing threat, right and It

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started when I went for a walk and I saw

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a piece of rubber on the It just looked like

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a piece of rubber. Well, it was a piece of rubber,

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but to me it looked like a puzzle piece. And

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that was like the first inkling for me. But the

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puzzle has come up time and time again, hasn't it.

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Speaker 3: Ah, Yes, you've sort of kept the sort of like

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the puzzle feature alive. And with me, I'm sort of

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like seeking out and I'm sort of like confronted with

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monkey puzzle trees.

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Speaker 2: Even this weekend, even went out, I opened the car door.

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I didn't even see it, didn't see it, opened the

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car door, and I went, oh my god. Literally as

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we opened the car door, there was a little one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean you'll speak about it a minute. Literally literal

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puzzle pieces, a load of them in one place.

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Speaker 2: These are all.

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Speaker 1: Different places at different times, but these puzzles keep coming

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up time and time again. Now you took shelter under

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a monkey puzzle tree at heron hole.

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Speaker 3: Yes, where we was going along a hedge row and

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when I look through the hedge into the back of

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the garden of the new hall, there was a monkey

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puzzle tree. Sort of standing there. That was quite Yeah.

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It was chucking it down with rain and me and

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Darryl were so sort of shivering under a tree and

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Barlina was sort of just sort of standing there with

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her umbrella. Isn't it wonderful? And it's the rain, it's

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the rain and natural.

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Speaker 2: They haven't quite embraced the elements yet either, guys. Well,

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the monkey puzzle tree was the first kind of like

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after my walk, then the monkey puzzle tree comes in

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at Heron Hall, so that was like it's getting stronger.

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Speaker 1: That looks like puzzles on our varying walks. We ended

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up in Morden, weren't we. We went to the Moot

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Hall in Morden and as we opened the car door

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there's puzzle pieces literal alphaan actual puzzle all over the floor.

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then again we went to Mersey, pulled up, opened the

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door monkey puzzle tree, so the puzzle thing is quite key.

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beach and we came off the beach. The thread I

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was following a feeling and this feeling just stopped and

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Darryl said, how are you feeling?

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Speaker 2: And when it's.

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Speaker 1: Gone, he's like, right, what do you want to do?

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So should we get off the beach? And as we

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walked up there was a sign post that said Monkey Beach.

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Speaker 2: We'd been on Monkey Beach and it led us to

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another weld, didn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there's a well at the top sort of overlooking

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the beach. I mean we wouldn't have found it unless

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we went up there. Yeah, that was quite something as well.

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Speaker 4: We went up there as well from where we originally

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came down, because we didn't go back up the same

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way we came but we didn't. We diverted off and

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went up this other path which was again going up there,

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and there was a sign there.

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Speaker 3: Stuff up, weren't you carry? And we were walking along

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the beach and then it suddenly went and it faded.

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So we back tracked and you've got it again, didn't we?

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beyond the beach, sort of up back up the bat

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so we unfortunately there was a pathway that led up

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there and yeah, when you came straight through well, we

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saw the sign and we realized the beach we were

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on was Monkey Beach. And then we came across the

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weld we did and.

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Speaker 1: In the shadows a rolled by my Lana to look

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in the shadows. Yeah, and on the top of this

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well there's like a wooden cover Saint Peter's well. It's

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called and it had a wooden cover on top of it.

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Now we do have a website. We keep talking about

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these photographs.

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Speaker 2: We do have a website now, Darrel was the website address.

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Speaker 4: Please Life's Quest dot co dot uk.

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Speaker 1: And up there you'll find research that myself or Richard

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have done and articles that we've written. There'll be the

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photographs that we talk about on all of the podcasts,

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so you can have a look at the photographs yourself

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and see what you think of You know what we've said.

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Speaker 2: You know it's crazy, but we don't care. We saw

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what we saw.

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Speaker 3: So stuff we might have missed or perhaps.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another thing. Interact.

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Speaker 1: If you see something or feel something from something, please

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let us know because this amazing press is like I'm

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writing an article at the moment on Great Warley. I say,

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we've been everywhere so Great Warley and I heard when

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I was there a voice and it said you've got

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a voice, use it. And I've podcasted for years and

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it was a sign for me to get this out

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to kind of like show people how it plays out

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in the physical.

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Speaker 2: So that's one of the reasons we're doing it.

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Speaker 1: It's like, guys, please check the website out let us

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know your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to know what you're thinking. Love Life's quest

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dot co dot uk.

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Speaker 1: Right, So where was I The shadows on top of

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the well, and I could quietly clearly see we and

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a date.

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Speaker 2: Now on the day, I saw nineteen eleven. So what

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I saw was we nineteen eleven seven.

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Speaker 1: See, this is another thing spirit do is once you've

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got the message, they change it because it's not just

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it's snippets, so they'll change it once you've got the point.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So now I look at that photograph and I can

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still see we nineteen eleven, but I can see other things,

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other dates, And Daryl was actually coming up with sixteen

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hundreds and stuff like that dates out of it as well.

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That's all in the shadows on top of this well,

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which was really weird.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I'll carry on very story.

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Speaker 1: She came up with two names, Margaret and Elizabeth. Yes,

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they are both relevant to heron Hall. But the problem

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with just a first name is what Richard.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, it could be pretty much anything, doesn't it.

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you know, and you sort of say, oh, I wish

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we had a second name, and you'd really sort of

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hammer it down there. And she has come up with

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a second name for Margaret, as it say, but this

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is a bit more problematic than what we actually thought.

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Speaker 2: Gone, you want a surname, we'll give you a surname.

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The name they've given is Margaret Thatcher.

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Speaker 1: You can imagine trying to get past right. She specifically said,

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Margaret Thatcher, not the one who was the governor, like

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the governor the prime minister.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: So she said that now we have tried and tried,

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but we cannot get around the prime minister.

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Speaker 1: We just can't get around it. It's saturated out there.

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So trying to do with the historical is I said,

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it's going to be the sort of thing that's going

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to pop up on a headstone or we'll be talking

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to somebody and it will be a name that's relevant

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because it's you can't get passed from our.

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Speaker 2: Level of research. At this point we can Prime Minister

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and we boys. You tried that one, an't you tried it?

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00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:35,279
Speaker 4: Oh?

476
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, tried and sort of you know, you try to

477
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:42,759
pre's that space it. You know, we do rely on

478
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:45,799
the Internet a fair bit to do our research and stuff,

479
00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:48,319
and there's a lot of stuff out there. But with

480
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,519
a name like Margaret Thatcher would just say, which is

481
00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:57,039
Prime Minister of nineteen seventy nine and nineteen ninety Yeah,

482
00:28:57,079 --> 00:29:08,599
I know that tell me something different, sort of like

483
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:13,680
historical other Margaret factors that had some sort of historical

484
00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:17,240
sort of relevance, but they didn't really come down to

485
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:20,319
anything much, you know. And Darryll Doe a bit of

486
00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:23,480
a grave search throughout the country, haven't you. And there's

487
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:25,920
there are a few, aren't there?

488
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:27,279
Speaker 2: Yeah?

489
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 4: But not what we want where Yeah.

490
00:29:31,079 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: Not that ties in anywhere to anything.

491
00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:39,599
Speaker 4: I mean, it's the problem is that it might tie

492
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,960
to someone one of the Margaret Thatchers that have been

493
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:49,279
buried somewhere else. But then it's you're trying to get

494
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:51,880
information from each and every one of them, the people,

495
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,160
and when you're on when you're on the like the

496
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,680
find a grave and that it doesn't really do an

497
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,240
information it's telling about the gravestone doesn't give you any

498
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:13,960
other information, which is a bit of a headbanger really.

499
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: That this is my time exactly. This is just going

500
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,119
to be one of those things. All of a sudden,

501
00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:22,799
we're doing something completely different. We've probably forgotten about it,

502
00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:25,680
and it will come up and we'll be like, oh

503
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,559
my god. Because we get a lot of on my

504
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:30,839
god moments when we're researching and stuff over stuff we've done.

505
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,519
That was that was one of them. But when we

506
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:39,680
was looking at the Terrell family specifically because obviously Heron Hall.

507
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: There are there are obviously Margaret's and Elizabeth.

508
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,799
Speaker 2: In the lineage. Of course now they're common names back

509
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:57,319
in the day, but Margaret could possibly refer to William

510
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,480
Herron's daughter, Margaret Heron, and.

511
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: That's how the Hall actually got into the Terrell family

512
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,559
because she married James Terrell.

513
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:10,359
Speaker 3: That's right, yes, because it was the Heron family that

514
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:15,599
originally owned the property, but they didn't have a descendant

515
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,359
at one particular point, so it went to the daughter

516
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,599
who married her mister Terrell.

517
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:33,279
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Terrell is there is Elizabeth Terrell who was lady

518
00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:39,160
mistress to the King's nursery. Mm hmm, it was so

519
00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:46,319
again High Court. She married so Robert Darcy of Danbury. Now,

520
00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:55,559
since that show, the Danburry thread is becoming stronger. I

521
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:01,119
got a psychic message when we were driving to another location,

522
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:03,319
completely separate issue.

523
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:06,279
Speaker 2: All of a sudden I get a download. Don't know, Richard,

524
00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:07,480
And what did I say?

525
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: We're going to need to go to Danbury?

526
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: And why do we need to go to Danbury?

527
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,759
Speaker 3: The oh, yes, said you come up with these things,

528
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:25,720
don't we when we're just stuff, we're discussing stuff. And yes,

529
00:32:26,119 --> 00:32:29,960
the Griffin, the White Griffin. Danbury does have a pub,

530
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:34,240
all the Griffin, We know that much. And it's got

531
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:37,279
its church, whether there's and that's opposite the church, whether

532
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,279
it's trying to direct us back from there. There was

533
00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:43,599
a bit of a backstory that me and Kerry have

534
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,160
in another incarnation a few years ago. We did visit

535
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,559
the church, didn't we So perhaps it's calling us back there,

536
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,559
and there seems to be quite a peculiar story set

537
00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:00,160
within the church itself with the big old NYE.

538
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: Will hold that because we don't need to go into

539
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:07,279
that right now. The point the point is we hold

540
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:09,839
that that's what I mean. I don't have any more information.

541
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,640
I didn't any more than that and that so we

542
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:13,240
hold that.

543
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:18,519
Speaker 1: But the Elizabeth who married into the Darcy family, I

544
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:21,279
just love the Darcy name. I just it's so weird

545
00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:24,079
how we've got a Darcy and a Wickham going on

546
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,960
through business.

547
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: And that's your Austin coming through, isn't it? We being

548
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:30,759
mister Darcy.

549
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: I know because we went to Saint Peter's in Wickham,

550
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:39,319
Bishop didn't we And I was like wicked Darcy, wicked Darcy.

551
00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:42,799
Speaker 2: As back for a moment.

552
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: Now, when we were in Saint Mary's Church, I picked

553
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:52,440
up the name as William. Sorry, Saint Mary's Church in Rumwell,

554
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,599
I picked up the name William.

555
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: That was really important. And I've seen it in a

556
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,240
stained glass window and I couldn't see anything.

557
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:01,799
Speaker 1: There was loads of bright, but all I could see

558
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:05,640
effectively was the William. So we knew the name was

559
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:09,639
William was quite important. And myself, Richard and Darren have

560
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,039
been Williams have been popping up absolutely everywhere.

561
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 3: Haven't they. When you're sort of studying this sort of

562
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,480
period of history around the sort of light the mid

563
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:24,320
to Late and Middle Ages as well, anytime. From the

564
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,880
Norman conquest onwards, it's Williams everywhere. I mean, you can't know.

565
00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:32,039
You can't wave a stick that hitting at least two

566
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:33,920
or three of them.

567
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 2: Except isn't it uncanny that every thread we led has

568
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,360
led to a prominent William in the thread?

569
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, they seemed to be the people that start

570
00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:50,679
off at the like the start of the family line,

571
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,519
don't they Which is the prominent one? It always seems

572
00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:56,039
to be a William that sort of drags us in.

573
00:34:57,679 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 2: What about you, Darrel with the William thang?

574
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:01,119
Speaker 3: You know.

575
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 2: Of Williams in specifically there.

576
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 4: Is loads and loads and loads wherever you go as

577
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:20,840
a William, but same as Elizabeth. I know. That's just as.

578
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:19,679
Speaker 1: A psychologist would argue that because it's become for in

579
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,320
my head, then we automatically you are sort of like

580
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,559
you gravitate towards that because you it's the foremost name

581
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:29,559
in your head.

582
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:33,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't think so, because I mean, it's

583
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,480
it's all in the threat that we're looking for, Well,

584
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,920
we're not looking for When we're looking for a piece

585
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:43,559
of information and William comes up, you're not looking for it, PERSI,

586
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,840
which is favorate word. You're not looking at.

587
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,599
Speaker 2: Will They just happened to become prominent all of a sudden.

588
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,440
It's a really weird thing.

589
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 3: Well, it's even with me. I even went off to

590
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,960
do some research on what were the most popular names

591
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:06,679
during the medieval period in England, and William doesn't come

592
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:13,719
up at the top. It's John, followed by third in

593
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,960
the list. So it's not even the most And do

594
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:20,000
we get any John's not really Thomas.

595
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,039
Speaker 2: Literally we just got one. One has just come up

596
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:23,880
on the spectrum.

597
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: But that has been like nine months of crest and

598
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,960
we've only had one John, which this is and so

599
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,400
this is weird. The William thing is weird. And Marlana

600
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:42,639
said that specifically in regard to heron hole, William is

601
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,920
linked very specifically to the old folklore with the place.

602
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:52,280
It was like, right, that's interesting. William has been a

603
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,719
name that has been very prominent. So I'm holding that

604
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,239
as well. I just wanted to.

605
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,199
Speaker 2: Note it because of the name William that come up

606
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,880
before run well Saint.

607
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 3: Mary's right, Okay, Now.

608
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 2: She said that one building is important.

609
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: She was referring to the barn area and she can

610
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,360
see it's like a house of posh horses and a

611
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:20,119
white horse is important now from day dot the horse

612
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,199
has been very key and that has got stronger and

613
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:29,400
stronger as we've gone through. Now the white horse is interesting.

614
00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:38,039
So there is a white horse that's linked to the area,

615
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,400
not specifically Heron Hall. We've got no factual evidence that

616
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:47,079
we can place this specific horse at Heron Hall, but

617
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:53,400
we have got literally a stone throwaway Ingatestone Hall in

618
00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:58,119
gates Stonehall, I keep calling it stone ingates Stone Hall

619
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,679
that was known to house this specific horse. This horse

620
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,880
is Morengo. Who is Morengo?

621
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 3: Richard Marengo was Napoleon's horse, his favorite horse, which he

622
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,559
rode on campaigns, and it was the horse that he

623
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,559
was riding during the Battle of Waterloo, which was then

624
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,119
captured by the English by I believe one of the

625
00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:27,639
associates of the Peter family and brought back here to

626
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,559
inglack Stone Hall. And it was not that uncommon to

627
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,519
see one of the Lord Peter's actually riding it around

628
00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:40,880
the village. And you can actually go and actually see

629
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,559
the remains of Lorengo because they kept it for a

630
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:48,960
while and then they sold it on And the skeleton

631
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:56,559
now is actually in the British Army Museum in Chelsea.

632
00:38:57,199 --> 00:38:59,440
I just found that out the other day, so I thought, well,

633
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,119
I'll keep that and have a podcast revelation.

634
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:05,079
Speaker 2: It's definitely a podcast revelation.

635
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,119
Speaker 4: It's well done on the books.

636
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 2: Put that location in the diary.

637
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,159
Speaker 4: Boys.

638
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, me and Darryl as going the British Army Museum.

639
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,960
You leave that one to me and Darryl. Oh.

640
00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:31,679
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, Marengo is an Arabian fourteen point one hands

641
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,079
tall grayish white horse. She went far off right?

642
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: No, well, yeah, I mean so that would you know

643
00:39:41,039 --> 00:39:43,280
a day? But that sort of puts us into a

644
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,119
different timeline, doesn't it. I mean you.

645
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: Do jump around timelines as well.

646
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: I will warn you, you think, and my tutor and

647
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,480
my medieval am I where am I?

648
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,119
Speaker 2: You know?

649
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: More of the roses we've had come up so much.

650
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,320
So much we've learned about history, haven't we.

651
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,199
Speaker 3: I think this is one of these sort of like

652
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,760
good aspects of doing this, and it's been quite a

653
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,159
pleasure for sort of taking because you know, I quite

654
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,760
like my history and I'm really into the history, and

655
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,079
it's been quite sort of good for me, like to

656
00:40:18,119 --> 00:40:21,039
take you guys out and around and sort of showing

657
00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:23,679
you all this sort of history and stuff and sort

658
00:40:23,679 --> 00:40:26,119
of watching you two like soak it up as well.

659
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:29,039
I think, yeah, you know, it's good. It's addictive once

660
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:33,239
you get into it and actually going around and exploring

661
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,079
these places. So it's good in that respect. But this

662
00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:40,480
sort of like requesting aspect just gives it a bit more.

663
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:41,440
It really does.

664
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 4: Yeh, someplace you wouldn't You won't go and even think

665
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,679
about unless she was on this journey and these places

666
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,599
come up. Then it will just pass over. You won't

667
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:52,039
even think about going anywhere like that. Anyway.

668
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 3: It kiss us out of the bat.

669
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, definitely gives you nice and fit.

670
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 3: Prety nice and fit. We've always had breakfast we go usually,

671
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:01,840
so that's another.

672
00:41:03,639 --> 00:41:05,119
Speaker 4: You can't be a fried breakfast to get you want

673
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:05,840
to go down for.

674
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:11,039
Speaker 1: You personally, because this is we're following. We're following the

675
00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:14,400
historic side. But there's another side to this as well,

676
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,039
isn't It's about what you like, you say, you gain

677
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:19,400
from it on a spiritual level as well.

678
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,599
Speaker 2: You're going to churches, going to church services. I mean

679
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,519
none of us are religious.

680
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:30,639
Speaker 4: People, are we definitely well, I mean, well even think

681
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,920
about it, said to me, are you going to guard joke?

682
00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:33,920
What not?

683
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: Mean?

684
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 4: I don't go church, but the church is now and

685
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,159
the services.

686
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 3: Must be worried because we haven't beat the church for

687
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:44,400
a little while.

688
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,119
Speaker 2: If we haven't, No, we haven't. So what has it

689
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:50,679
done for you personally? Within that?

690
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,519
Speaker 1: Because that this is a massive side to this as well.

691
00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:56,039
You learn so much about yourself, don't you.

692
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 3: Myself. I've reconciled the differences and stuff I had, I

693
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,079
suppose with Christianity. I'm a lot more accepting of it.

694
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:09,880
I went through a bit of a stage where I

695
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,119
wasn't too too sort of like impressed with it. But

696
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:18,119
now I sort of came back to sort of like

697
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:22,679
looking at it differently from a fresh approach, And yes,

698
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,360
I get it now and I'm feeling I feel a

699
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,880
lot more comfortable with it and being around it stuff

700
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,280
and talking to and going to church stuff like that.

701
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,199
I feel a lot more comfortable in that respect.

702
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean I would never have gone to church,

703
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,559
you know. I mean, and now I don't think nothing

704
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:48,039
of it. I mean we said why we go to

705
00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:50,760
church or something? Yeah, fine, I was something. I ain't

706
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,559
going to church again. I mean I look forward to

707
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:55,760
going to church now. I mean, because they're always the same,

708
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,719
the different services, they're different people in there. It's different.

709
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,719
There's so many different churches and so many different feelings

710
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,679
you get from it. Yeah, I really enjoy it now.

711
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: But it's sole feeling, isn't it. It's not the devotion

712
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:15,639
to a specific Christ. It's I find when I hit

713
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:21,199
a church it's as I'm not there specifically for the service,

714
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,760
I'm there for the it's just a place of power.

715
00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:29,559
You just sit in your sun, your center, in your spirituality,

716
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:33,280
and however that takes its fall, and it's so it's

717
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,840
like a peaceful place. It's like you literally step into

718
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,519
your peace when you step into the church. When you're

719
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:41,920
in your peace, everything is so clear.

720
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:48,679
Speaker 3: Yes, and there certainly is a difference when you go

721
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,360
into an empty church that it has its own sort

722
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,239
of residence and stuff. You can walk around, look and stuff.

723
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,639
But when you go to a church service, it just

724
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,199
takes it up to that next level. You're sort of

725
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,880
you're in the place of what it's there for. You know,

726
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,000
it's like they've started the edgine up right, you know,

727
00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:07,480
let's get the function. You know, so you go to

728
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:10,599
these places and you can either look at them it's

729
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:15,760
just historic old buildings, which when they're empty, you'll suppose

730
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,159
that's basically what they are. But then you can go

731
00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:23,840
on a Sunday service and it's alive places actually alive.

732
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,159
Speaker 2: And that's when you.

733
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:30,039
Speaker 1: Think some of these churches are like twelfth century or older.

734
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:35,480
And all those years, all that time, varying people in

735
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:37,639
varying guises in the church has.

736
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 2: Formed and fallen down and been rebuilt and someone's added

737
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,000
a bit, and all of that's going on, and people

738
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:47,599
going and worshiping and then coming away, and it's just

739
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,360
all those years of people doing the same devotion, same

740
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,519
mindset in the same place. There's such hubs of power.

741
00:44:57,039 --> 00:44:58,880
That's what I mean by power, the.

742
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,559
Speaker 1: Faith, that belief that's there, the godless that's built from

743
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:08,360
it's just astonishing places of As I say, it brings

744
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,599
you right into your peace moment and everything betomes clear.

745
00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:14,119
Speaker 3: I think what it's got for me as well, it

746
00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:18,280
shows the power of collective worship. You get a group together,

747
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,920
that's you know, And that's what I've sort of realized.

748
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,960
I mean, I think, like myself, I'm not too good

749
00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:26,880
at sort of like trying to summon this up on

750
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,960
my own sort of you know, this spiritual thing, and

751
00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:32,480
on the own I find it quite sort of difficult.

752
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,920
But you know, you sort of put me within a

753
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,960
large group then you know you sort of feed off

754
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:38,960
each other, don't you.

755
00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:45,039
Speaker 4: At all? Yeah, I've never been in spiritual but yeah,

756
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:46,920
as you say, it does bring it up when you're

757
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:52,760
in the church with a lot more people there. I mean, so.

758
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,599
Speaker 1: On the show all I show my Lena is a

759
00:45:58,679 --> 00:46:03,280
photograph of All Saints Church. Now I knew at that

760
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,039
point that me and the lads were going to puddle

761
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:11,519
off because Richard had very brilliantly got in contact with

762
00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:15,920
what because the church is All Saints Church in Harden.

763
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 3: In Harden, and it's it's no longer in use, and

764
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,880
it's within the pair of the Church's Trust, which is

765
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,880
a national sort of like trust type organization that look

766
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,719
after all these old abandoned churches you get across the country,

767
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,440
and All Saints is obviously one of them. So I

768
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:43,880
tracked down their website, went on it, and it's said

769
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:47,800
and if you want to have a look around, here's

770
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,440
our email address and we can see what we can

771
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,840
work out for you. So I sent an email and

772
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,280
they came straight back to me and go, yeah, we

773
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,480
we have raised the time and we went and had

774
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:01,480
quite a nice little evening down there, didn't.

775
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: Yes, we did. We had a lovely and it was

776
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:11,079
a lovely evening as well, perfect summer evening now. And

777
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:12,679
that's the beauty of it as well.

778
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: That's another side of it, you know, living and being

779
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,320
out there in the weather is just.

780
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: A different.

781
00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: I really appreciate all weather, but the lads are not

782
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:36,679
quite so well. All Saints Church is important is because

783
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,719
it's the Terrell family's church, so they have their crips there.

784
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,159
They have a lot of Torells are buried at this church.

785
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,079
So that's where it led us.

786
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:46,599
Speaker 3: Now.

787
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: It's also on the map, the Laylans Map, lay Lions Map.

788
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:57,039
Even that Darryl, you track down a late like God,

789
00:47:57,039 --> 00:48:05,480
God say it, what is its line? And all says

790
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:10,400
church is one of those supposed like layline hub mo points.

791
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: So that was quite interesting as well because.

792
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 4: For Terry for doing the maps, yeah very much.

793
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 2: So I think he's sold out now then, isn't he. Yeah,

794
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,360
mind you, if he gets enough people one in one

795
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,920
then he may well have to do a reprint.

796
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: That would be nice, isn't it. So anyway, let's get

797
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,239
back to All Saints Church. Now I'm going to just

798
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,639
read off what Malnas said about and she's literally doing

799
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:42,559
this from a photograph, and then we're going to talk

800
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:47,480
more about our experience at that church. So rather quickly,

801
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,159
she said, the two exes on the side of the church. Now,

802
00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:53,280
bearing in mind she's looking at a photograph which is

803
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,639
looking at the north side of the church and just

804
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,679
the corner of the tower, and she said, marking like

805
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,159
an x three of them. It's a triangle. She had

806
00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:10,480
the name Sergeant Beagle, which is the dog. Information is

807
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:16,079
covered in layers. Margaret Thatcher, not the government. One further back,

808
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:24,119
James Williamson or Williamson third of nine. Philip Terrell is

809
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:31,559
important eighteen seventy two twenty eight, six August. Now a

810
00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:35,320
picture of the original church is important. It's like it's

811
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,280
out of place. It was aligned and now it's not.

812
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:41,679
She said, find the history of the church from the beginning.

813
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,719
There's a national treasure hidden in the church. Halfway in.

814
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,760
Look at the floor. There's a circle on the center.

815
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,800
It's got some marking. She did a drawing which I've

816
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,199
got and I will, you know.

817
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 2: Put it up on the website.

818
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 1: Now that that was recorded on the twenty third, on

819
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:12,480
the Saturday the twenty third. We visited on the twelfth

820
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:15,599
of August, so this was a couple of weeks later.

821
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 2: So on that one.

822
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,679
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the church, now, Richard, this is what

823
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,320
your baby on this one, isn't it?

824
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 3: Oh yes, it's it's a Tudor brick church, but it's

825
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:35,079
built of a much older Norman church. And again the

826
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:37,719
Norman church was built on top of a much earlier

827
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,320
Saxon church. So so the church you see today is

828
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:47,760
from the sixteenth century, but it and it actually said

829
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,320
it's one of the best examples of a brick built

830
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,480
church in the country. And it is sort of all brick,

831
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:57,039
you know. You sort of walk around the outside and

832
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:00,880
he cannot help but sort of not notice this. And

833
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,079
when we went inside the actual church I must have met.

834
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:06,840
We went inside off and it was sort of I thought,

835
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,920
oh dear, it's so empty. I mean, you know, but

836
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,400
I sort of persevered. But the theme with the church

837
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,519
is there is a lot of information in there. You

838
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:20,280
just have to look at the floor. I mean, I mean,

839
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,920
there's still a lot of people in there, you know,

840
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:27,320
a lot of sort of little monuments and stuff on

841
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:32,000
the floors and stuff like that. So the longer I

842
00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:35,119
was in there, I don't know whether you felt the same, guys,

843
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:37,920
but the more I was sort of like cheering into

844
00:51:38,039 --> 00:51:40,840
the place and was getting quite a lot from the church.

845
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: Oh it talked, It definitely talked.

846
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was sort of like talking to the

847
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:51,280
did ASTERI and I sort of stayed with her, and

848
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,039
so she was sort of like we was just sort

849
00:51:53,039 --> 00:51:57,119
of checking whilst the whilst Kerry and Darryl were off

850
00:51:57,519 --> 00:52:01,599
sort of doing the photographing and sort of doing their thing.

851
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,880
So I don't know what you were getting, Kerry. I mean,

852
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,239
you seem to be quite quite focused in Tea.

853
00:52:12,039 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was. So there was a lot going on

854
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,519
in that church, and I.

855
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:24,199
Speaker 1: Do feel it was more important for us to be present,

856
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:29,280
if that makes sense. Like we took loads of photographs

857
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,119
of this particular church, loads and there were some really cute,

858
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:35,360
some beautiful tombs in the.

859
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: Walls of the Terrell family.

860
00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: The the tomb that was supposed to house Amberlyn's heart,

861
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,559
we found out was actually called the Peter Chapel.

862
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,119
Speaker 2: Right, God I can't get my words out tonight, which

863
00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:55,159
was weird.

864
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just.

865
00:52:56,519 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: Find that name had kind of like popped up on

866
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:05,599
our spectrum. Yes, then we found out about the Powell

867
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,800
family that were there that was you know, like in

868
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:09,360
the walls.

869
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:14,159
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of historical importance to these places.

870
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:21,920
For example, on this one, this particular church is it's

871
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,639
like got two stories to it.

872
00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 2: It's like it's got like sort of like balconies.

873
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: It's almost like a Romeo and Juliet moment, isn't it,

874
00:53:33,159 --> 00:53:34,360
because it's not even.

875
00:53:34,119 --> 00:53:37,079
Speaker 2: That big behind it? And I reckon that someone lived

876
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:37,559
up there.

877
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I reckon that. Yeah, they're sort of like

878
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:45,880
I suppose before they built vicarages for churches, perhaps the

879
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,880
Vicaers actually lived in the church. But it had a

880
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,960
fireplace where one of the rooms on the one side

881
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,519
of the church had one place and everything in there.

882
00:53:57,559 --> 00:54:00,920
And they did say it was for when they had

883
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,519
a couple of people that used to have sort of

884
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:03,320
like living there.

885
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 4: Really small, really small rooms, weren't they, especially if you

886
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:19,039
had that that that bit going across it where it's gold.

887
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 3: Where the guy did say because both rooms were opposite

888
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,679
each other on one one one side of the church

889
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,920
and the other the other side. And the guy did say,

890
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,639
and they would have been connected by a walkway in between,

891
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:35,519
a covered sort of walkway, so you don't know what

892
00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:37,360
that had in it as well. So that would have

893
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:41,320
given that area up there a bit more space because

894
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,119
it gives the rooms less space, then it because you've

895
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:49,960
got two doors coming into in two different places. Yeah, true,

896
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:55,599
but the the doorway without the fireplace on the other side,

897
00:54:55,679 --> 00:55:01,039
that was recently added to gain access up to that group.

898
00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 4: What the dor the stairwell, Yeah, that stairwell was It

899
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,920
was the stair by the door coming in them.

900
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 3: That was the original entrance.

901
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:17,519
Speaker 2: Right. Well. Through the years, this church has taken a

902
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:18,519
bit of a hammering.

903
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:26,199
Speaker 1: It has had vandalism, it's had raves there, it's had well,

904
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,599
you know, during the World War it got bombed. I

905
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:31,239
mean it's it's really it was in a bit of

906
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,119
a mess. But it's been restored as best it can.

907
00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:39,920
It's tight, it's lovely, it's gorgeous. And one of the

908
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,760
things that I noted was the large blocks of pudding

909
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:47,880
stone uncovered when the pastor was removed were part of

910
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:48,960
the original church.

911
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:54,039
Speaker 3: The Norman Church yes, because they did use and you

912
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:58,119
could see the Norman archers down one side which separated

913
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:03,760
the Peta chapel from the main chancel. Those were the

914
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:08,119
original sort from the as they did incorporate within the

915
00:56:08,159 --> 00:56:12,159
interior of the church obviously bits and pieces from the

916
00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:15,480
old church, so that makes perfect sense.

917
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: Now there is a side chapel where Sir Thomas Terrell

918
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:25,599
and his wife Anne, who is from Leamani was buried

919
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,679
and it's beneath a stone to chest. Now that would

920
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,000
have had a brass like kind of effigy on it,

921
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:34,880
but that's now gone, hasn't it.

922
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,199
Speaker 2: The brass has got stolen.

923
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:41,119
Speaker 1: This is really common as well, the amount of stolen stuff.

924
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,119
Speaker 2: If it's not from the Reformation. You then got years

925
00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:48,039
of other people going and taking stuff and adding stuff

926
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:49,519
to these churches.

927
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 3: And they sort of took their fair share. Then you

928
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,199
had the English Civil War they went in and well

929
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,360
sort of didn't exactly take their fair share. They've done

930
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,519
a lot of vandalism back then, even back then, and yeah,

931
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,320
and then up to modern times, you know, having raids

932
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,039
and kids and stuff like that. I mean it's a

933
00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:14,360
shame really, but but do you call it part of

934
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,920
the history of the church or you know, it's one

935
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,119
of those things, isn't it.

936
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,519
Speaker 2: I think that's part of the evolution. Isn't it happen?

937
00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:24,599
It will happen. And I know that sounds like a

938
00:57:24,639 --> 00:57:28,000
really horrible thing to say in certain circumstances, but it's

939
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,119
meant to be. It's meant to be.

940
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

941
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:36,239
Speaker 1: But even the roof bosses like had been stolen. Basically

942
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,760
what they've got there now are like recreations of them.

943
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,039
So this is what I mean. They have sort of

944
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:50,000
like recreated it. But these original tombs are amazing. There

945
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:54,760
is a very special tomb there to Lady Alice Terrell.

946
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: Now she was removed at one point and got.

947
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:03,119
Speaker 1: Put and she is the lady that is like a

948
00:58:03,159 --> 00:58:06,079
full figure, isn't it carved on top of this white

949
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:10,559
tomb that's literally just to the right of the altar area.

950
00:58:11,679 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the one that was broken in the middle. Yes,

951
00:58:18,519 --> 00:58:20,440
I think one had a cracked right across the middom.

952
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: Lady Alice Terrell, Now this is the lady. She had

953
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:33,320
ten children, now in varying sites. It varies between nine

954
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,920
and ten, so we're not one hundred percent sure if

955
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,840
she had nine or she had ten. If she had nine,

956
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,920
they may have left that one, the tenth one blank

957
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:48,519
for that reason. Or she had ten children. So this

958
00:58:48,639 --> 00:58:53,400
becomes important because there are reasons why names get left

959
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:54,239
off of tombs.

960
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 2: We found out.

961
00:58:56,079 --> 00:59:00,719
Speaker 1: Firstly, it could be what I just said, an architect,

962
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,079
there wasn't a tenth child, so it was left blank.

963
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:07,880
Another reason is it could be the child died before

964
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,079
it was named, so it's like before.

965
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 2: However, there is another reason.

966
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: If the child becomes attached later in life to a

967
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:23,519
religious order, they don't They're not part of that family anymore.

968
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:30,599
Speaker 2: She's now gone into family exactly.

969
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:34,039
Speaker 3: So I get it. Yeah, it makes sense. I suppose now.

970
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,039
Speaker 1: We know Theterrells are linked to run Well and the

971
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:41,840
Souilliard family because we have a marriage link there, Yes

972
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,280
we do. And we were wondering, and this is only

973
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:51,639
your wondering if the tenth name from Anna's Terrell could

974
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:59,559
possibly indicate the beginning of the Terrell's connection to the

975
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:05,840
prior at the Well. But we haven't got any any

976
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:11,440
link there yet with just a simonization. But it's an

977
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:12,840
interesting one, wasn't it.

978
01:00:14,239 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 3: That is interesting because yea, the prioress is a is

979
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,639
a whole new sort of anundrum by itself. I mean,

980
01:00:24,119 --> 01:00:28,559
you look at the official historical records run well, has

981
01:00:28,719 --> 01:00:32,760
no record have there ever been a priory there anyway

982
01:00:33,039 --> 01:00:35,440
or sort of like a nunnery, you know, in the

983
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,519
official records, it's sort of it's it's really weird. But

984
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:45,280
within local records and histories, it's always talked about there

985
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,679
being a sort of some sort of religious building there,

986
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,760
you know. So where do you go with that?

987
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: Well, again, you kind of have to just leave it

988
01:00:56,039 --> 01:01:00,800
there until we get anything more concrete that indicate Raliceterrell

989
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:04,360
had a tenth child and that tenth child went on

990
01:01:04,519 --> 01:01:07,400
into a religious order, which is why she's not named

991
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:11,119
on the two. But until we get that information, we

992
01:01:11,239 --> 01:01:16,360
can't sort of like, we can't assume that. But it

993
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,719
was interesting to issue. But this is where your mind

994
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,360
goes with it, go, oh could it be that? But

995
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,320
we see, we wait and see how it plays out. So,

996
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:30,400
Sir John Terrell of Hernhaal, he died in sixteen seventy five,

997
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:35,920
and that has been recovered and be put back. And

998
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:41,199
his description or his inscription which he wrote himself, sort

999
01:01:41,239 --> 01:01:47,039
of describes life as it was for him back then, Darryl,

1000
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:48,360
would you like to read that?

1001
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,239
Speaker 2: Have you got it up? A?

1002
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's once decimated twice in prison, thrice sequested. He

1003
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,599
holds his peace as off as plundered here life buried

1004
01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:08,440
John Terrell Knight.

1005
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1006
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: Now that in itself says a whole lot, doesn't it, Richard?

1007
01:02:17,239 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1008
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 3: I suppose it does. Once twice in prison where was

1009
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,320
it imprisonable? You know, sort of sort of it does

1010
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:30,639
give quite specific sort of stuff, sort of an information there, So.

1011
01:02:32,239 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 4: More dig in on the internet to find.

1012
01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 2: Him, dig in on that one have We do know

1013
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:42,159
some of it. We do know some of it. But

1014
01:02:42,199 --> 01:02:45,039
we will hold that and then come back to that.

1015
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: God, we're going to be We've got shows enough to

1016
01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:51,199
come back to for the next twenty years at this rate.

1017
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 2: Spirit, you know, like can we get it? Now?

1018
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: There is another marble monument there. It commemorates to Till

1019
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:05,440
again his wife Martha. Now this is where Washington first started,

1020
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,840
because Washington has been a whole journey around the globe,

1021
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,800
isn't it. Guys?

1022
01:03:13,199 --> 01:03:15,559
Speaker 3: Well, yes, you can put it that way, can't you?

1023
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:20,039
Sort of like it's it's we seem there does seem

1024
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:24,360
to be a transatlantic link that has dropped up a

1025
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:28,639
few times. Even back in the early days when we

1026
01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:31,679
were sort of like around, we was looking around the

1027
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:36,000
Titanic link, which kept coming up, and again you could argue, well,

1028
01:03:36,039 --> 01:03:38,960
that's a trans atlantic sort of link. Was where was

1029
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:43,280
the Titanic heading towards you know, when it's sunk for America,

1030
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:47,320
wasn't it? So we seem to be having this American link,

1031
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:51,639
and not only sort of sort of tentatively, you know,

1032
01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:55,480
we've got the Washington link and well there was only

1033
01:03:55,639 --> 01:03:59,880
one really famous Washington, isn't it, And it does appear

1034
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,880
to be pointed towards that branch of the family.

1035
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:10,159
Speaker 1: It's a little strange how the American Civil War period

1036
01:04:10,519 --> 01:04:15,599
keeps coming up in very in disguises because on the

1037
01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:20,280
other show, Milena had said Philip, So I looked at

1038
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,039
Philip Terrell, because that's what we were talking about at

1039
01:04:23,079 --> 01:04:26,880
the time, and I couldn't find.

1040
01:04:26,639 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 2: A Philip Terrell.

1041
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:32,719
Speaker 1: But I did find a Philippe Terrell feminine, and he

1042
01:04:33,199 --> 01:04:38,119
married Thomas corn Wallace of Rome's Suffolk.

1043
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: Which links into the American Civil War and Washington and

1044
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,079
all of that. Malarkey, doesn't it.

1045
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:51,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a director, direct descendant of Charles called Wallace,

1046
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:59,599
who was the British commander during the American War of Independence. Yeah,

1047
01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:03,639
the top guy was ahead of British sports and fighting

1048
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:05,079
in North America.

1049
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:11,679
Speaker 1: And when we went to Morden, we got pulled back

1050
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,360
to a church that we'd already been in because it

1051
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:18,320
was absolutely chucking it down, wasn't it, moys.

1052
01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:23,719
Speaker 2: And this was the day the puzzle. The rain drove

1053
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,159
us into the church. This was the day the puzzle

1054
01:05:26,159 --> 01:05:27,119
pieces are coming.

1055
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: As we got out the car, we got into All

1056
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,480
Saints Church in Marden High Street, and then we found

1057
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,079
the Darcy Chapel, which obviously was important because of Elizabeth.

1058
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:42,119
And then we saw the stained glass window and in

1059
01:05:42,159 --> 01:05:47,920
it was three Nights and it was called the Washington Window,

1060
01:05:50,679 --> 01:05:53,679
and that was actually dedicated to the former rector of Paley,

1061
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:58,199
Reverend Lawrence Washington, who was actually the great great grandfather

1062
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:02,079
of George Washington, the first the President of the United States.

1063
01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 2: Now we haven't really gone down the mouth of Washington link. However,

1064
01:06:10,639 --> 01:06:16,760
another really weird synchronicity with this was literally yesterday. This

1065
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:21,280
happened yesterday. We're following a different thread. We just we

1066
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:23,239
will find out more about that.

1067
01:06:23,239 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: Later, but literally at the end of the whole conversation

1068
01:06:26,719 --> 01:06:30,519
literally dropped in as if it had come from nowhere

1069
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:35,159
was the Oh, by the way, my direct.

1070
01:06:34,719 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 2: Lineage is who was it? Can you remember? I'm sorry,

1071
01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:50,000
Lord Peter, oh right, yes, locked in right at.

1072
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: The end of the conversation, and it was about his

1073
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:53,440
direct lineage too.

1074
01:06:56,519 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 3: Were you going to have to tell me? I mean,

1075
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,000
I still processing.

1076
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 2: I can't be fair. I can't remember the name.

1077
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:07,639
Speaker 1: But it was literally to do with the signing of

1078
01:07:07,679 --> 01:07:09,480
the Declaration of Independence.

1079
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 3: Yes, one of his forebears is a signatory on the

1080
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:20,280
Declaration of Independence. Yes.

1081
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 6: So we were a bit like, oh, thank you, you know,

1082
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,800
I mean, it's just weird how all of these things

1083
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:35,039
keep coming up and the synchronicities of this go off scale.

1084
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: It's just one of those where it literally wasn't even

1085
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:39,599
a question we thought about because we were looking at

1086
01:07:39,639 --> 01:07:42,039
Tudor period on this one.

1087
01:07:42,519 --> 01:07:44,519
Speaker 2: We were trying to find out more about the Billin,

1088
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:49,559
the Bilin Peter, the blinter rail links, you know, between.

1089
01:07:49,239 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: The families, and he literally dropped that in the last

1090
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:53,960
literally the last moment.

1091
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, which has given us sort of something to really

1092
01:07:58,519 --> 01:08:01,960
go away and think about. I take it. And you

1093
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,679
wrote that you did write down a person's name, didn't you.

1094
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 2: I did. I haven't got it to hand, but I

1095
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,320
definitely wrote that down. I'm sure.

1096
01:08:11,719 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 3: He looks like an interesting one to look up the

1097
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:20,279
But as you said, Kerry, that is about the storm, A.

1098
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 2: Totally different though.

1099
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean, because that we could go on for hours

1100
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:29,119
about just on that one. So, oh, my goodness, me,

1101
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:33,000
a lot was going on in this church. Please please

1102
01:08:33,039 --> 01:08:35,920
please go check out the website, not just ours, but

1103
01:08:36,119 --> 01:08:42,039
the actual churches websites. These places are like amazing for history.

1104
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:49,439
Because there's another there's another memorial on the ground, and

1105
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:53,319
this is a black marble slab and it's in memory

1106
01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:54,720
of Martha mild May.

1107
01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 2: Again, the mild making action keeps coming up.

1108
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:02,239
Speaker 1: I expect the families to be interconnected, don't we We

1109
01:09:02,399 --> 01:09:07,039
expect them to be interconnected. We found something quite a

1110
01:09:07,119 --> 01:09:11,279
perception that I hadn't thought of before yesterday as well,

1111
01:09:12,119 --> 01:09:15,359
which was about how back in the day, you know,

1112
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:20,319
the Tudor kind of period of time, with all the

1113
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:25,520
religious issues going on, we always queried the trails of

1114
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:30,800
a strong Protestant family, and the Peters were a strong

1115
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:31,920
Catholic family.

1116
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 2: And we didn't.

1117
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,520
Speaker 1: We knew that that was there, but we didn't realize

1118
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:40,560
how that stopped connections between the family, because we said, God,

1119
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,399
they live next door to each other, they must have

1120
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:46,399
known they get married at some point, and it's only

1121
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:50,560
until later down the line actually that we come across

1122
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:58,159
William Peter who marries into or marries a director ow

1123
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,039
and a Exterrell.

1124
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Exterrell. Yes, it's sort of and it

1125
01:10:05,079 --> 01:10:08,039
was a funny one. Yeah, he marries a descendant of

1126
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,600
the Terrell and then she passes away, and then he

1127
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:16,399
marries another Torell, she or someone's that married into the

1128
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:20,640
Royals and she returned widow and he married her. So

1129
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:26,760
that was someone brown, wasn't it. So yeah, so there

1130
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,840
is a genuine link, but that was it.

1131
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:35,399
Speaker 2: That was it. Yeah, nothing more wrong that first one.

1132
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: Nothing more links the Terrell family to the Peter family.

1133
01:10:39,119 --> 01:10:42,600
And that is because when they got married, because of

1134
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:47,479
this religious faction, Catholics with no other Catholic families because

1135
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:49,119
they're clandestine and they're.

1136
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,560
Speaker 2: Like over being quiet about their worship.

1137
01:10:53,159 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: Catholics and Protestants did the same, So you end up

1138
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,239
with sort of like a weird divide at this in

1139
01:11:00,279 --> 01:11:04,760
time within the county because literally because of the religious factions,

1140
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:05,159
don't you.

1141
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's you know, sort of thinking about it

1142
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:10,960
now it makes so much sense, but we were sort

1143
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,399
of thinking about it for a more sort of nuanced

1144
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,600
type of thing. Well, they must have known each other,

1145
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,760
and they must have had business dealings with each other,

1146
01:11:21,079 --> 01:11:25,680
they must have intermarried, but just literally no.

1147
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 2: They keep them kind of we keep ourselves to ourselves

1148
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,800
and we just get on kind of vibe, isn't it.

1149
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:36,560
Speaker 3: Yes, take the risks. And that was quite sort of

1150
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:41,199
like a revelation. And I felt and I definitely come

1151
01:11:41,239 --> 01:11:44,560
away with that that if we do follow the Peter family,

1152
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,039
we are going to have to look a lot further

1153
01:11:47,119 --> 01:11:50,600
afield or any other sort of light descendence and offshoots,

1154
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,760
and they could be anywhere around the country by.

1155
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:57,079
Speaker 2: Now, allow year of Little Faith riches.

1156
01:12:00,079 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 4: With another visit with Lord Peter.

1157
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:06,359
Speaker 2: Not yet, but we will. I'm sure I still want

1158
01:12:06,359 --> 01:12:13,359
to get my hands on that book. I will ask

1159
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:14,760
more directly next time.

1160
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

1161
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:24,560
Speaker 1: Well, this church is literally saturated with Tourell's. Yeah, Like,

1162
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,680
there's so much that goes on in this church with

1163
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:31,000
the Terrells. You've got the Amberlin story, You've got the

1164
01:12:31,239 --> 01:12:32,479
dragon story.

1165
01:12:33,279 --> 01:12:37,239
Speaker 2: And you know it's funny, isn't it, because the other

1166
01:12:37,359 --> 01:12:40,520
side of it is the Blin family and all of this.

1167
01:12:41,399 --> 01:12:44,840
Now with the Berlin family, we found that the Terrells

1168
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:51,840
have got absolutely no connection to them at all, have they? Richard?

1169
01:12:52,319 --> 01:13:01,079
Speaker 3: Uh? No connection with the happens to be the family

1170
01:13:01,159 --> 01:13:01,600
that store.

1171
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:07,279
Speaker 2: I mean, it's weird, which is the Peter family.

1172
01:13:08,039 --> 01:13:11,319
Speaker 1: Were wondering, Hang on a minute. We're in a terraill church.

1173
01:13:11,399 --> 01:13:15,399
Why is there a Peter Chapel for a start, which

1174
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,319
is supposed to be linked to Aramberling's heart.

1175
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, hang on a minute.

1176
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Speaker 1: And literally right at the end of this visit to

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All Saints Church, Astridge drops in.

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Speaker 2: What does she drop in? Richard? Uh?

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01:13:33,119 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 4: The Peter Chapel.

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Speaker 2: Well done, Darryl.

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01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 4: We haven't been there yet.

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01:13:43,239 --> 01:13:48,359
Speaker 2: No, the Peter Chapel is in the woods, just over

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01:13:48,399 --> 01:13:51,560
the way. Bearing in mind we parked in the park.

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01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:52,039
It's in.

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01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where you have to park, so it's literally

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01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,840
a stone throw away. There's a chapel in the woods

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01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:03,680
called the Peter Chapel. So my brain went, do maybe

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01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,399
they're talking about her heart being buried in that chapel,

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01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,239
except Daryl found out the day and it was.

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Speaker 4: What I was, it was far out from that when

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01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:16,680
when it was without looking it up, it was it.

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01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,079
Speaker 2: Was a way out fifty.

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01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was eighteen.

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01:14:22,199 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 4: But we still don't know. I referring to the heart,

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01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:28,800
it could not be the actual heart. It could be

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01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:29,399
something else to.

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Speaker 3: Do with it, let us be.

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01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 4: I think it could be more like still be although

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it's it's eighteen hundreds that it was done, they could

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01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,359
still be there because if it's not necessarily the heart

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01:14:42,359 --> 01:14:44,319
and it's something else to do lovely as as you

1202
01:14:44,359 --> 01:14:47,239
said before, I don't think that's been on any recordings,

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01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,439
they could be put there at that particular time. So

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01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:52,760
I mean, because they're not going to be destroyed, are they.

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01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:54,800
They're still going to be in one piece.

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01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,079
Speaker 2: And if you think about language back in the day,

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01:14:58,159 --> 01:14:59,880
they would have said it it was her heart.

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01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:02,039
Speaker 4: Exactly.

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01:15:02,359 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, yeah, the heart could symbolize something else.

1210
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,680
I mean, there's lots of symbolisms, you know, to do

1211
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,279
with with arts, isn't there I mean, and that is

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01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:13,600
quite you know, and you don't have to sort of

1213
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,119
that and that's not too far a leap to say, Well,

1214
01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:20,079
perhaps it doesn't mean the physical heart, which obviously doesn't.

1215
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:24,960
What is this heart supposed to represent? And this is

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01:15:25,039 --> 01:15:27,520
sort of something we're sort of looking at at the moment,

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01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:28,000
isn't it.

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01:15:29,239 --> 01:15:34,399
Speaker 1: It is so obviously with them followed that up, however,

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01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:40,640
what we gained from All Saints' Church was so much

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01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:47,359
insight into the preservation of heritage, of the community's passion

1221
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:53,439
for keeping the building alive, and the respect that shows

1222
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,520
the graves that are there that it is very much

1223
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,960
a community church still even in this day and age,

1224
01:16:00,039 --> 01:16:02,640
it still has its own full it still has its

1225
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:07,079
own power. But for us, I have to say it

1226
01:16:07,239 --> 01:16:09,399
was incredibly insightful, wasn't it.

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01:16:10,319 --> 01:16:13,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a good place at the end of

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01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:17,439
the day. It just stands there like a like a modelist.

1229
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,800
Wasn't it above? Was it the A one seven? Is

1230
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,239
it down there?

1231
01:16:23,279 --> 01:16:25,119
Speaker 4: So we're still getting me We'll go back and get

1232
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,640
more information out of it. I mean, you're still more

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01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:28,960
there to.

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01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:33,319
Speaker 2: Get there is I think so too. It's a beautiful place.

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01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:38,239
Go check it out. On one last bombshell, Mylene has

1236
01:16:38,279 --> 01:16:40,920
said about the three crosses. I talked about that right

1237
01:16:41,039 --> 01:16:44,920
before we delved into All States. Yeah, on the stained

1238
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,560
glass window, and I only noticed this when I was

1239
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:51,920
uploading them to our website. There are three red crosses.

1240
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:52,840
That's it.

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01:16:53,159 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 3: In the state.

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01:16:56,039 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 5: Well done we did, Yeah, Livesquest dot co dot UK exactly,

1243
01:17:04,039 --> 01:17:05,960
well done, Daryl, well done.

1244
01:17:08,119 --> 01:17:10,600
Speaker 4: It's still in progress, so it's not complete.

1245
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 3: So.

1246
01:17:12,399 --> 01:17:15,560
Speaker 4: Working progress, yeah, working progress. We'll slowly get in it.

1247
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,560
I mean, it's the first time I've done anything like this,

1248
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:22,319
so it's navigating yourself around it and trying to find

1249
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,199
We still haven't fun out folders and things like that yet.

1250
01:17:25,119 --> 01:17:25,199
Speaker 3: But.

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01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:32,039
Speaker 2: Press is all we're going to say on that one,

1252
01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:32,880
So bear weird.

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01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:39,159
Speaker 1: Our next show takes us into Ingates Stowe itself because

1254
01:17:39,279 --> 01:17:45,439
in Gates stone In itself, I know stone In gets Stone. However,

1255
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,039
I'm going to hold back on anything else because that's

1256
01:17:48,079 --> 01:17:52,359
where the thread leads. It leads us automatically from All Saints.

1257
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,039
She dropped it in at the last moment about like

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01:17:56,319 --> 01:17:57,720
the Peter's Chapel.

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01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:03,119
Speaker 3: And we were like, look at that. However, there has.

1260
01:18:03,039 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 2: Been a load of other stuff going on on another thread,

1261
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:10,279
which is the Mordern thread, so we'll delve into that

1262
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,520
a little bit more on the next show too. So

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01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,680
any last words, lads on this weird and wacky.

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01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 4: Journey, bring us more, but bring it now.

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01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,319
Speaker 3: I think the echo just.

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01:18:33,399 --> 01:18:38,520
Speaker 2: Said, still trying to teach them that lesson. Guys on

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01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,239
that note say good night, good no