Speaker 1: Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
Speaker 1: covering the twenty twelve film Prometheus.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Spacing Out.
Speaker 3: I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Speaker 3: Alien franchise one movie at a time. At the moment
Speaker 3: of this recording, Prometheus is available to stream on Hulu.
Speaker 3: We are only focusing on Prometheus today, so if there's
Speaker 3: any discussion of subsequent entries into the franchise, we will
Speaker 3: save that for a spoiler section at the end of
Speaker 3: the podcast. Soph you haven't seen the movies that release
Speaker 3: after this one, we will shield you from spoilers. But
Speaker 3: anything released before this movie is fair game to discuss.
Speaker 3: So Prometheus premiered on June first, twenty twelve, written by
Speaker 3: John Spates and Damon Lindeloff, and directed by Sir Ridley Scott.
Speaker 2: Sir Scott, Huh's night.
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed. In this movie, a team of explorers discover
Speaker 3: a clue to the origins of mankind on Earth, leading
Speaker 3: them on a journey to the darkest corners of the universe. There,
Speaker 3: they must fight a terrifying battle to save the future
Speaker 3: the human race. That's a very vague plot description.
Speaker 2: Also sounds way more exciting than what you actually get.
Speaker 1: O vibe check, vibe check. Did we like the movie overall?
Speaker 1: How does it stand the test of time?
Speaker 3: So how invested were you? Now?
Speaker 2: I'm not invested. I'm not interested.
Speaker 3: I'm bored.
Speaker 2: I'm so bored. The movie didn't get good until like
Speaker 2: the second or third half of the movie.
Speaker 3: What the hell? Yeah? Uh, definitely a slow build and
Speaker 3: a movie that doesn't seem like it wants to be
Speaker 3: an alien movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was like trying to be like
Speaker 2: this archaeological like Roman mythology idea, and it's like boring.
Speaker 2: I'm tired, I'm bored, and I don't care. I don't
Speaker 2: care that her daddy died of polio or whatever, ebulla, I.
Speaker 3: Don't care that.
Speaker 2: Like there's an old man who's like trying to capture
Speaker 2: his youth. Like they have amazing actors in this and
Speaker 2: they don't utilize them.
Speaker 3: I thought it was somewhat good just as a general
Speaker 3: science fiction film, but you know, I came here for
Speaker 3: an alien movie and got very little aliens, and very
Speaker 3: little aliens that resembled the ones I'm used to. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean you could see that they're these are like
Speaker 3: early forms of like the face huggers and stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 3: and then so I don't know, I'm I'm kind of
Speaker 3: lukewarm on the movie. I just like, I don't know
Speaker 3: why we went so far in this direction. And I
Speaker 3: feel like the movie thinks it's a lot deeper than
Speaker 3: it actually is.
Speaker 2: It's like smelly its own farts and like being really
Speaker 2: into them, and it's like ba humbug. And then like randomly,
Speaker 2: it's Christmas. So it's this idea of Christ just kind
Speaker 2: of in there, like subconsciously, with this pregnancy and this
Speaker 2: like saviorism. Like this is just like so much mythology
Speaker 2: and all these like shitty layers of exposition that don't
Speaker 2: go anywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it had like really good production design,
Speaker 3: like it it was beautiful. It was beautifully shot and
Speaker 3: you know, well acted and like all the all these
Speaker 3: pieces were there. But it also has this issue where
Speaker 3: it doesn't feel like the other alien movies. It doesn't like,
Speaker 3: I know, I said, we're not going to be talking
Speaker 3: about like alien Romulus, but without spoiling it, like Alien
Speaker 3: Romulus feels like it's part of the alien universe. Starting
Speaker 3: with those movies. The movie in the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what we're missing is elements of like
Speaker 2: the crew being a sound well put like crew, because
Speaker 2: this crew is haphazardly put together. They're apprehensive to get along,
Speaker 2: and then like at the end, somehow they're willing to
Speaker 2: sacrifice their lives for something that they've never heard of.
Speaker 2: They're not on the like they have no idea what's
Speaker 2: going on. So it's like really fucking weird. It's really
Speaker 2: fucking weird that, like we go from like a group
Speaker 2: of strangers to like a group of people that's willing
Speaker 2: to die together to save the planet or whatever. There's
Speaker 2: the disconnect between the crew at the beginning of the
Speaker 2: crew at the end that doesn't get like built up
Speaker 2: or like developed in any way because the main focus
Speaker 2: is this way woman who loves Jesus or whatever.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: And then the android. I think that was the most
Speaker 2: alien like thing that they had, was like a sinister android.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So yeah, that's where it stands. Let's look
Speaker 3: at how it came to be.
Speaker 1: Trivia time. What facts could we uncover for Prometheus?
Speaker 3: So development of a fifth alien film began by two
Speaker 3: thousand and two, with Ridley Scott considering returning to the franchise.
Speaker 3: He met with James Cameron and began working on a script. However,
Speaker 3: when twentieth Century Fox started pushing the concept of Alien
Speaker 3: Versus Predator, both filmmakers stepped away from the project.
Speaker 2: Oh they hated that idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was a cheap money grab. What
Speaker 3: So in two thousand and nine, Fox was pushing for
Speaker 3: the idea of a reboot and they contracted Scott to
Speaker 3: direct the project. It soon became a prequel to Alien.
Speaker 3: Over time, the project was rethought into an original work,
Speaker 3: not part of the franchise, and then the production began
Speaker 3: to publicly distance itself from the Alien origins, being intentionally
Speaker 3: vague about any connection the film has to Alien, and
Speaker 3: eventually Scott confirmed in twenty eleven that the film does
Speaker 3: take place in the same universe as Alien. So I
Speaker 3: feel like you can feel that in the movie. Though,
Speaker 3: like they wanted this to be its own thing, and
Speaker 3: then they worked to Alien back into it. Well.
Speaker 2: I recall, like when it was being advertised and when
Speaker 2: people were watching it back in like twenty and twelve,
Speaker 2: that it was the intellectuals sci fi show or movie,
Speaker 2: and it was there was. Nobody was talking about it
Speaker 2: as an alien movie. It was like a science fiction
Speaker 2: movie about the origin of man. And how like interesting
Speaker 2: and cool that was, and how like just thop provoking
Speaker 2: it could be. And when I watched them, like it's stupid,
Speaker 2: I just remember that guy with the weird face, that
Speaker 2: white dude, that really big white dude, and I just
Speaker 2: like immediately checked out.
Speaker 3: The original title was Paradise in reference to the poem
Speaker 3: Paradise Lost, before being changed to Prometheus, and Ridley Scott
Speaker 3: avoided using green screens as much as possible. Locations included Iceland, Jordan, Spain,
Speaker 3: and then Pinewood Studios in England. I do think you
Speaker 3: could feel that in the movie as well, that like,
Speaker 3: this wasn't on a green screen studio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt very like physical. Yeah, except for when
Speaker 2: they did that holographic kind of streaming things, but that
Speaker 2: was well done.
Speaker 3: I think Ridley Scott repeatedly told the crew not to
Speaker 3: tell the actors certain things or let them see storyboards
Speaker 3: to procure more genuine responses, notably in the scene where
Speaker 3: a snakelike creature bursts from the dead Millburn's mouth. The
Speaker 3: studio was interested in a PG thirteen rating for the film,
Speaker 3: but ultimately Scott was allowed to have an R rating,
Speaker 3: which he thought was most appropriate for the film.
Speaker 2: Really, I feel like it could. It's totally Peach thirteen.
Speaker 2: They don't use a lot of foul language. The violence
Speaker 2: isn't like super duper violent like I've seen other stuff
Speaker 2: that's Peach thirteen that's like way more violent. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean maybe at that time.
Speaker 3: I think some of the like very socific moments in.
Speaker 2: It, when that guy gets his arm broken.
Speaker 3: That maybe, I mean definitely, like the pregnant and going
Speaker 3: down his throat and then that uh C section type
Speaker 3: thing like that was very graphic. That would have to
Speaker 3: cut that differently at least.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, her stomach was open on the screen.
Speaker 2: You're right, it did. Like I remember, I was like cringing.
Speaker 2: I was like holding my breath as that was happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. A viral marketing campaign began in February twenty
Speaker 3: twelve with the release of a video featuring a speech
Speaker 3: by Pierce in character as Peter Wayland about his vision
Speaker 3: for the future and set in twenty twenty three. The
Speaker 3: short film presents a future teristic vision of a ted conference.
Speaker 3: This segment was directed by Ridley Scott's son Luke, and
Speaker 3: three other short films were released ahead of the premiere.
Speaker 3: The budget was around one hundred and twenty five million
Speaker 3: and the box office was four hundred and three million,
Speaker 3: making a financial success. Overall, critical reception was generally positive,
Speaker 3: with praise going to the visual, aesthetic and performances, and
Speaker 3: some of the criticism towards a story and the grandiose
Speaker 3: philosophical elements, as well as unanswered questions. The film was
Speaker 3: nominated for several awards, mostly technical ones, including Best Visual
Speaker 3: Effects at the Academy Awards, and then a sequel titled
Speaker 3: Alien Covenant was released in May twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: Deep Space Dive, let's break down some of our thoughts
Speaker 1: on the film. You can share your thoughts with us
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Speaker 1: on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 2: Well well, well, we have an alien problem again. This
Speaker 2: time it's an Ireland or wherever the fuck they are Iceland.
Speaker 2: The studying was beautiful, I will say that, like the
Speaker 2: beginning of the film with the big waterfall and that
Speaker 2: guy drinking that juice or those berries, oh yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: and then he like falls into the water and disintegrates.
Speaker 2: What's up with that? Why did you do that? That
Speaker 2: was so weird? See being a sacrificial lamb? What's going on?
Speaker 3: What was he doing? Like? I thought that would make
Speaker 3: sense as the movie went on. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It never tied back in. We never figured out. And
Speaker 2: then like him dressed up in like a diaper with
Speaker 2: like just being completely naked almost compared to like the
Speaker 2: full on like mega man suits that they wore with
Speaker 2: the elephant face weird, So like what.
Speaker 3: Was up with that?
Speaker 2: Like who was he? What did he mean to them?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Wait, why did he do that? Like so many questions unanswered.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just reading the plot and see if
Speaker 3: it described it an any that made sense. But no,
Speaker 3: he drinks a black liquid and his body dissolves and
Speaker 3: his DNA falls apart and starts to recombine. Okay, sure, sure,
Speaker 3: why not? Then our scientists discover some pictures in some
Speaker 3: caves and that sends them on a journey across space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they get an archaeological booner because they found similarities
Speaker 2: between many civilizations, the same depictions of these tall men
Speaker 2: and these star clusters, and so somehow they're able to
Speaker 2: find a sugar daddy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't see how that relationship came.
Speaker 2: To be, but I want to see that, like them
Speaker 2: going door to door for being like we found the
Speaker 2: origin of mankind? Would you like to fund my space expedition?
Speaker 3: As they go to like Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk.
Speaker 2: And Bill Gates, all of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all these old guys that happening preserve their life
Speaker 3: long enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But and then like we know nothing of the crew.
Speaker 2: We don't get introduced to anybody except Charlie's thorn and
Speaker 2: the captain and then those two nerds that hate each other. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then that's kind of it. And then there's the
Speaker 2: fucking robot hanging out before everyone wakes up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he was just awake the whole trip, and
Speaker 3: he's learning languages and studying TV shows.
Speaker 2: Bleaching his hair? Does his hair grow? What is going
Speaker 2: on with that? Like that? Why would he be bleaching
Speaker 2: his hair if he's a fucking robot.
Speaker 3: I don't know. He's trying to imitate what he's seeing
Speaker 3: on TV.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I can't believe they gave him human hair.
Speaker 2: They gave him a human unit and it didn't come
Speaker 2: and blonde. He bleached it himself. Where does he get bleach?
Speaker 2: Who packed bleach and peroxide on this trip?
Speaker 3: He probably packed a lot of hair products for himself
Speaker 3: because he had to spend years away.
Speaker 2: He downloaded all of his movies that he were on
Speaker 2: his watching this too, and he would like walk around
Speaker 2: and be like quoting his movies and I'm like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, he's me.
Speaker 3: And then he was shooting that basketball from the bicycle.
Speaker 3: I'm wondering if that was a reference to Sigourney shooting
Speaker 3: the hoops. And yeah, Dailien Resurrection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fact they another ship with a basketball court
Speaker 2: that we only see once.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they all have it, don't you know, Like.
Speaker 2: All that space on that ship must be huge. But
Speaker 2: in this one, in this movie, the ship isn't much
Speaker 2: of a character like the ships have been in previous films,
Speaker 2: because the ship usually plays like a major role in
Speaker 2: the chase, and this one just the ship was just
Speaker 2: kind of ship. It didn't really matter where you were.
Speaker 2: There was no orientation of like space.
Speaker 3: Well for the most part, like the action took place
Speaker 3: outside of the ship. Yeah, and then they would come
Speaker 3: back to the ship. There were several scenes and then
Speaker 3: like driving their cars from the ship over to the caves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the caves ended up being another ship. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it was like weird. And I was really pissed
Speaker 2: off when they took off their helmets, specifically the lead guy.
Speaker 2: When he took off his helmet, I wanted him to die.
Speaker 2: He's being such jerk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he sucked, and.
Speaker 2: Nobody felt bad when he got sick or got lit
Speaker 2: on fire or nothing.
Speaker 3: Like. I could kind of tell what was going to
Speaker 3: become of him when David went in to talk to him,
Speaker 3: offering that drink.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he puts his finger in his drink
Speaker 2: and I'm like, nasty, I don't want that drink. You
Speaker 2: put your finger in it, you gross bitch. But he
Speaker 2: was probably already drunk, and he's an asshole he doesn't care. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that's how quickly you can get drugged, you know,
Speaker 2: when you're out getting you can get roofied like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So when they take off their helmets, we don't
Speaker 3: see them carrying their helmets.
Speaker 2: No, they don't carry them. I don't know where they
Speaker 2: put them. It's not like they have like a little
Speaker 2: spot on their backpacks where they can like clip them
Speaker 2: on or They're not like Buzz Lightyear's helmet where it
Speaker 2: just like kind of goes up like a visor and
Speaker 2: just kind of hangs out. That would make the most
Speaker 2: sense to me. Yeah, that way, because like the plot
Speaker 2: holes are plot holing, and the helmets are such a
Speaker 2: big part of the plot hole.
Speaker 3: Because they get their helmets back on before they get
Speaker 3: back to the ship.
Speaker 2: Right when they're running through that silicone storm or whatever
Speaker 2: they called it.
Speaker 3: And then the two geologists guys.
Speaker 2: They found them too.
Speaker 3: They had they got lost somehow.
Speaker 2: But they found their helmets. So what is the truth
Speaker 2: with these helmets, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think it's that production wanted to see their faces,
Speaker 3: so they made a reason for them to take off
Speaker 3: their helmets.
Speaker 2: Right, because it's obvious that the suits that they're making,
Speaker 2: regardless of how much time has gone by from the
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies until twenty twelve, we still don't have the
Speaker 2: technology to make those suits so that they don't fucking
Speaker 2: fog up when you speak. When that guy howled because
Speaker 2: he threw up those little pups or whatever he called him,
Speaker 2: you could see the vapor in his helmet just flogging
Speaker 2: up his face. And I'm like, this is twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: Do we not have the technology to put some fucking
Speaker 2: vent holes on these bitches? What is going on? I
Speaker 2: don't know. I feel like any space movie that has
Speaker 2: like a helmet like that just really suffers. I think
Speaker 2: finally they did it pretty well with Gravity with Sandra
Speaker 2: Bullock and George Clooney. I think that was the best
Speaker 2: one with helmets and shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of series Chosen movies will attempt to
Speaker 3: put like a light inside the helmet, which is great
Speaker 3: for the audience because we can actually see the actor,
Speaker 3: but it makes no sense to have a light shining
Speaker 3: on your face when you're inside of a helmet like that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, we covered all those episodes of Battlestar and
Speaker 3: they always had that. It was kind of a from above,
Speaker 3: so it wasn't like directly on their face, but it
Speaker 3: created weird shadows. But there's still no reason for it
Speaker 3: unless you wanted other people to see you. Well. So
Speaker 3: I mentioned earlier that it aesthetically does not feel like
Speaker 3: the earlier alien movies and this is a prequel to them,
Speaker 3: and like it also just seems like there's more technology
Speaker 3: in this movie, Like they have all these gadgets and
Speaker 3: these holographic projections and just things we never saw in
Speaker 3: the movies that take place after this one.
Speaker 2: I wish they would have explained it by saying, we
Speaker 2: have a better budget. Thank you budget, thank you budget,
Speaker 2: Like I'm so glad we have a rich sugar Daddy
Speaker 2: pain for all this equipment, And then we could like
Speaker 2: what's the word we can hypothesize or we can gleam into,
Speaker 2: like thinking about how it would be different where you're
Speaker 2: working in a like place where they're trying to cut
Speaker 2: costs to for profits and cutting corners and things like that.
Speaker 2: So that's I wish they would have like just mentioned
Speaker 2: something like just a little bit like these are my
Speaker 2: pups thanks to sugar Daddy Ray or whatever his name is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just something to contextualize why, because I
Speaker 3: mean I guess Alien was on this you know, mining ship. Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it wasn't a state of the art vessel by any means,
Speaker 3: but it definitely seemed like it was lacking technology if
Speaker 3: all of this was available, you know, decades and decades prior,
Speaker 3: and everything just looked like cleaner on as grungy as
Speaker 3: that movie. Yeah, it's kind of like Star Wars prequels
Speaker 3: and how they look more advanced than the originals.
Speaker 2: I just don't know why they had to be a prequel.
Speaker 2: I feel like this could have been a continuation of
Speaker 2: the alien saga and you could just say we're finally
Speaker 2: going to look this up, where did they come from?
Speaker 2: Where do we come from from? And say it's the future.
Speaker 2: It doesn't fucking matter when this happens. That's true, Like
Speaker 2: it literally doesn't fucking matter, because it's almost a standalone film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess like they're trying to dig into how
Speaker 3: the Aliens were created as well.
Speaker 2: I think they're trying to talk about how we were
Speaker 2: created and where DNA matches to these weird, bald headed dudes.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't care. I don't care. I
Speaker 2: don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I want
Speaker 2: to see people die, like it took forever for somebody
Speaker 2: to die. And then she fucked that infected dude and
Speaker 2: had a weird baby. That was also ridiculous. That happened
Speaker 2: so quickly and so fast, and she was so alone,
Speaker 2: and there was like it was really bizarre and almost
Speaker 2: off putting, like there was she was running and like frantic,
Speaker 2: but nobody was chasing her. The real problem was in
Speaker 2: Belly Girl. And then she like puts it in the
Speaker 2: capsule after it gets extracted and pushes a button thinking
Speaker 2: it's gonna like die, like not even making sure it's
Speaker 2: dead because it's still wiggling when she leaves the room.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh and my favorite part, this machine is only calibrated
Speaker 2: for men.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Why because it's fucking science. It's always the patriarchy. Every
Speaker 2: medical study was made with men in mind. Women have
Speaker 2: not been studied at all. Like we've barely started like thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe we should study the female body. When you think
Speaker 2: of a heart attack, you think of the symptoms for men,
Speaker 2: because the symptoms for women are way different, and people
Speaker 2: don't know what a heart attack looks like in a
Speaker 2: woman because science is always centered around men. And this
Speaker 2: is the like I feel like it was kind of
Speaker 2: so I don't know if it was on purpose, but
Speaker 2: it's like a big commentary on that. But this movie
Speaker 2: wasn't like this big, beautiful, wonderful feminist like propaganda or
Speaker 2: feminist like thing. But that one moment was like speaking volumes.
Speaker 2: Like it's two thousand and ninety eight and we still
Speaker 2: don't calibrate machines for your fucking femass.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was that, and then there was this concept
Speaker 3: that like David is wanting to like force this woman
Speaker 3: to carry this thing to term.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was weird. I don't understand his motivation
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 3: I think it was similar to was it Aliens where
Speaker 3: they were gonna cry o freeze Ripley and the girl
Speaker 3: and bring them back to earth?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Do that? Yeah. I think it's referencing back to the
Speaker 3: older movies in a few cases like that one.
Speaker 2: But how did he know she was gonna have a baby.
Speaker 2: How did he know that that drunk cass man was
Speaker 2: going to be able to get it up hard enough
Speaker 2: to fuck this woman?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know what he knew. This
Speaker 3: is the.
Speaker 2: Problem we I think he just got lucky that she
Speaker 2: got pregnant and he was excited about it. And then
Speaker 2: he basically admitted that Homeboy didn't die from the air.
Speaker 2: He's like, no, I fucking poisoned him and she still
Speaker 2: trusts him. I'd be like, I'm just bringing your head
Speaker 2: to the trip. We're not bringing your body. Baby. If
Speaker 2: we're getting out of here, it's just your head coming along.
Speaker 2: We're going to get usc three po bodies, so you
Speaker 2: don't blend in with the people anymore.
Speaker 3: But that medical pod, I guess I'm still stuck on,
Speaker 3: like why it because it seemed to imply that, like
Speaker 3: you can program it for a man or for a woman,
Speaker 3: and like why how many like gender specific procedures are
Speaker 3: there that you can't just have it both right.
Speaker 2: There's only a couple of things internally that separate the
Speaker 2: female and male bodies. And it's not like it would
Speaker 2: be complicated to download a uterus.
Speaker 3: Like program, Yeah, you didn't pay for.
Speaker 2: Especially if you think about, like, okay, like we have
Speaker 2: people in cryo sleep for up to two years. What's
Speaker 2: to say that somebody can't do something like think about
Speaker 2: women in comas who all of a sudden turn up pregnant,
Speaker 2: Like why wouldn't there be like an option to like
Speaker 2: operate on those women in case like something like that happens.
Speaker 2: That would have been scary. That would have been so
Speaker 2: scary if one of them woke up and she was
Speaker 2: already pregnant, and like, I was asleep for two years,
Speaker 2: how the fuck am I pregnant? And then David's like,
Speaker 2: and then Daddy Warbucks is also on the ship. He
Speaker 2: has his own private wing. How big is this ship?
Speaker 3: As they need it?
Speaker 2: Apparently it's like ever expanding. But she like basically has
Speaker 2: a setharian and just walks away.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's another thing, Like she did see running perfectly fine,
Speaker 3: not perfectly fine, but very well for yeah, stomach stable
Speaker 3: back together.
Speaker 2: My sister had a cesarean and she couldn't get up
Speaker 2: from her chair for a week. She needed help getting up,
Speaker 2: Like we had to brace her up. Like that's that's
Speaker 2: not real.
Speaker 3: Well, did she inject herself with I'm guessing adrenaline?
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know what she was injecting herself with
Speaker 2: an EpiPen? Like what was that ship? It never nobody
Speaker 2: explains anything in this movie. That's the common thread. And
Speaker 2: then they leave those two guys behind. They leave one okay,
Speaker 2: so they're in this ship. They're in this like cave
Speaker 2: or whatever, our ship and they're like, oh fuck, no,
Speaker 2: I ain't into this. And one of the guys is
Speaker 2: the guy who send out the probes that's mapping the joint.
Speaker 2: How does he not know where he is in the
Speaker 2: place that he mapped? And it's we don't have a
Speaker 2: fucking storm happening when they decide to make their exit.
Speaker 2: So how do they not have an open line of
Speaker 2: communication to say, Hey, I think I'm lost? Can you
Speaker 2: help me? Is this like this the trope of men
Speaker 2: being too stupid to ask for directions until it's too late.
Speaker 2: What is going on? Why didn't they should have never
Speaker 2: been at the like, like the ship should have had
Speaker 2: them home safe before those other ones had to run home?
Speaker 2: And did they they were the only ones who got
Speaker 2: the memo was like, hey, there's a storm coming, you
Speaker 2: better head home. Did they not get the memo? Are
Speaker 2: they not on the same calm?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: What is going on? Why is the communication so broken
Speaker 2: between the crews?
Speaker 3: And then in the middle of the night, uh Idris
Speaker 3: elba Janik, the captain, he's talking to them. He tells
Speaker 3: them like the sensors picked up the movement nearby and
Speaker 3: to the west of them or whatever, And it seems
Speaker 3: like in that moment like he's manipult to get them
Speaker 3: to go to the east, knowing that they're going to
Speaker 3: go away from whatever he said. So that made me
Speaker 3: like so suspicious of him, thinking that like, oh, he's
Speaker 3: in on this, He's trying to direct these guys towards something,
Speaker 3: But it turns out he was just you know, telling
Speaker 3: them what he saw honestly, And I don't know.
Speaker 2: I thought it was funny that he had his little
Speaker 2: blanky on him and he's like, oh, it's just a glitch, guys,
Speaker 2: never mind, never mind, it's glitch. And then we never
Speaker 2: really find out what the fuck it is because those
Speaker 2: little snake thing is they would have been right under them,
Speaker 2: and that Prometheus guy, he's still sleep So what was it?
Speaker 2: What was that fucking thing that was alive? Did we
Speaker 2: ever get clarification on that?
Speaker 3: I think a lot of things were left too vague
Speaker 3: and too broad. What did you like about it?
Speaker 2: M I did like the machine being like, too too
Speaker 2: fucking bad. You have a uterus, We don't do abortions here.
Speaker 2: That was fuckinghilarious. That was like, welcome to American healthcare system, bitch, No,
Speaker 2: you can't have an abortion even in this fucking healthscape
Speaker 2: of a world.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought that was kind of hilarious.
Speaker 3: I thought that that scene was really good, like really unexpected,
Speaker 3: very tense, and like a very creative thing to do
Speaker 3: in an alien movie to have this machine that's gonna
Speaker 3: you know, cut out a for an object from you. Yeah, no,
Speaker 3: that for an object is an alien. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought that was cool. I like that. And then
Speaker 2: the whole sequence of events was pretty interesting. Even though
Speaker 2: they were unbelievable, it was pretty fucking rad to see
Speaker 2: her like get stapled up and like okay, bye, and then.
Speaker 3: Insurance isn't going to allow you to stay here.
Speaker 2: Your insurance only covers fifteen minutes of treatment, ma'am. So
Speaker 2: I liked that part. And I really liked when, uh,
Speaker 2: the big guy just like just looking at everybody and
Speaker 2: he's like, do you guys not speak English? And then
Speaker 2: when that guy speaks his language, he's like, pop your
Speaker 2: head off, fuck everybody else. And then he's like bent
Speaker 2: on like driving himself to Earth and killing every motherfucker alive.
Speaker 2: That was pretty fun. And I also like the random
Speaker 2: guy that came back to the ship and started like
Speaker 2: murdering everybody.
Speaker 3: Like why, I don't know what happened?
Speaker 2: Nothing, Like nobody explains is is he infected? Is he like?
Speaker 2: Like why is his head all swollen? Like is his
Speaker 2: brain still intact? Because he knew how to get back
Speaker 2: to the ship and he knew how to like play
Speaker 2: dead or whatever, and why would they open the door.
Speaker 2: Why would they open the door. Why wouldn't they just
Speaker 2: be like on the intercom, Hey, hey, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: And then maybe like isn't there like a stick or
Speaker 2: something like a crane or something that can poke him
Speaker 2: to see what's going on with him? And when that
Speaker 2: guy got really sick and Charlie's Throne was like, get
Speaker 2: him off, I am not letting him on. I thought
Speaker 2: that was a badass move.
Speaker 3: I like that a lot, especially because in the first
Speaker 3: Alien movie, Sigourney Weaver was like, hey, we have a
Speaker 3: protocol for this, a quarantine protocol. He can't come back
Speaker 3: on the ship, and everyone's like, fuck you. You're not the
Speaker 3: main character, yet we're not listening to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I thought that was cool, and that was
Speaker 2: like Aleyen adjacent, like kind of referencing itself. So there
Speaker 2: were moments like the moments with the most action were
Speaker 2: my favorite moments, but there were so many moments where
Speaker 2: nothing was happening, nothing at all was happening, and I'm
Speaker 2: just like, why won't descend? Oh my god, I'm so
Speaker 2: ready to go home and sleep or do something else
Speaker 2: that's more productive than this movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely slow at times, especially in that first at
Speaker 3: least third or so.
Speaker 2: And then like, if it was going to have a
Speaker 2: rated R rating anyway, why didn't they show like a
Speaker 2: nice little a little bit of a nude scene between
Speaker 2: Idris Elba and Charlie's the wrong?
Speaker 3: Yeah, give us the unrated cut.
Speaker 2: Yeah, give us it's already an R rated film. Give
Speaker 2: me something to make it are rated. I want to
Speaker 2: see a list celebrities just be sensually, like at least
Speaker 2: like rubbing on each other, Like that would have been
Speaker 2: an interesting plot line that I would have been into.
Speaker 2: And if she, like I feel like they there was
Speaker 2: a lot of room there for her to like be
Speaker 2: flirty with him in a way that was like authoritarian
Speaker 2: and like pushy, and he was like into it. He's like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm into that. Like there was a point where he's like,
Speaker 2: are you a robot? And she's like, I'll show you
Speaker 2: I'm not a robot. And then then give me a
Speaker 2: like a hint of a sex scene, like a little
Speaker 2: more skin. She was covered up the whole time. And
Speaker 2: then the way they killed her, the way they killed
Speaker 2: her at least aron like a bug, What the fuck?
Speaker 3: What the fuck.
Speaker 2: That was so rude.
Speaker 3: She was like the.
Speaker 2: Daughter of the richest guy, and she died under the
Speaker 2: fucking ship like a bug being squitched by a boot Lame.
Speaker 2: That was lame. And then Idrisselba being like, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: become a bullet, and then like he doesn't ask for
Speaker 2: anybody else's permission or if they're on board with him,
Speaker 2: he's just like yeah, like what, wait a minute, I'm
Speaker 2: just a co pilot. I cannot there's enough escape pods
Speaker 2: for me too.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: What, when did they become patriots?
Speaker 3: What the fuck? I was so confused. I'm gonna say
Speaker 3: they didn't get enough to speak in their minds.
Speaker 2: Wow, Like they didn't paint this threat as like a
Speaker 2: big ass threat either, like one guy got sick and
Speaker 2: the other one went crazy, Like show me that it's
Speaker 2: a problem, show me that it's like a real problem,
Speaker 2: and that you guys need to get away from it,
Speaker 2: and that we're all on the same page about killing it.
Speaker 2: The lack of like commoditory and like teamwork is just
Speaker 2: really detrimental to this film.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, oh.
Speaker 2: I did like how the big guy died too, with
Speaker 2: that girl's pussy monster or not her pussy monster. Her
Speaker 2: cesarean monster. Sorry, yeah, she didn't give it birth to
Speaker 2: it vaginally.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think one of the main things that bothers
Speaker 3: me about this movie, which I so I kind of
Speaker 3: like it, I just it's it's not working for me
Speaker 3: in the alien universe, I think, because I don't love
Speaker 3: how it just like rewrites human history and the origins
Speaker 3: of humanity with these engineers that created humans, and then
Speaker 3: it goes on to like try to ask all these
Speaker 3: questions as to like, well, why did they create this?
Speaker 3: Why do we exist? Without really giving us any answers
Speaker 3: or any meaningful way to think about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very shallow.
Speaker 3: It's like we have these big ideas and big questions
Speaker 3: and we're just not going to get to them.
Speaker 2: I feel like somebody told them intelligent design and they're like, oh, wow,
Speaker 2: I'm going to make a movie about intelligent design. But
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about it, and I don't I
Speaker 2: don't care, But it just it felt it felt like
Speaker 2: the movie was too big for its breeches.
Speaker 3: Sure was pretty though, Sure was pretty.
Speaker 2: Like visually stunning, and when that guy broke his arm amazing,
Speaker 2: or he didn't break his arm, that weird noodle thing did,
Speaker 2: and then the noodle thing got its head cut off
Speaker 2: and it just grew another one. And that was the
Speaker 2: last time we saw that noodle thing. Oh wait until
Speaker 2: it No, Yeah, that was it. And then they found
Speaker 2: it under inside of that other guy's mouth. Was that
Speaker 2: the same guy? I couldn't tell them apart without that
Speaker 2: guy's glasses. He was just like the other guys.
Speaker 3: It didn't matter at that point, It literally didn't. The
Speaker 3: old guy named Whaland and the company in the later
Speaker 3: movies is the Whaland Utahni Corp. Right now, it's just
Speaker 3: the Whalen Corp. I don't know if we ever see
Speaker 3: how that evolves or anything, but it's notable. Uh you
Speaker 3: move on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the astral Queen who was the standout character in
Speaker 1: the movie.
Speaker 3: The Astral Queen Awards.
Speaker 2: Who's your Astral Queen? I think I'm going to have
Speaker 2: to give it to Shaw for hacking the male only.
Speaker 3: That's the most badass thing that happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like abdominal surgery taking out for a body.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it's either Shaw or Captain Janik for
Speaker 3: saving the ship. Yeah. I feel like he needs to
Speaker 3: be Shaw, So two awards for theists. Well, that wraps
Speaker 3: up our coverage of Prometheus. I hope we weren't too negative.
Speaker 3: If you really like this movie, sorry, sometimes it's a
Speaker 3: lot more fun than criticize. But next we will be
Speaker 3: talking about the follow up to this Alien Covenant, and
Speaker 3: that will be the last movie in our alien quest
Speaker 3: here because we've already covered Alien Romulus. That's back in
Speaker 3: the feed already, so we will see you for that.
Speaker 3: And if you don't want any spoilers regarding Alien Covenant
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Speaker 2: So they really love to impregnate a bitch with an alien? Yes,
Speaker 2: like women, beware, you better be on the pill or
Speaker 2: you better have a plan be available, because if you're
Speaker 2: in this franchise, you might be pregnant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like the first movie they made a
Speaker 3: big point about like, we're gonna make this happen to
Speaker 3: a man, and I love that.
Speaker 2: I appreciated that.
Speaker 3: Every movie since then it's been women.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can tell a man's writing these.
Speaker 3: So I've seen Alien Covenant again. I have a very
Speaker 3: vague memory of it. I watched it in a hotel
Speaker 3: room in Dallas. Well, it is a follow up to
Speaker 3: this movie. It doesn't really follow up, Like Shaw's not
Speaker 3: in it. Michael Fastner's in it as David. I think
Speaker 3: he's really the main through line of it. So yeah,
Speaker 3: we don't really continue the story that they set off
Speaker 3: in the end of this to go find the homeworld
Speaker 3: of the Engineers Boo. Ridley Scott was planning to make
Speaker 3: at least three and I think at times he talked
Speaker 3: about and they gave him more these prequel movies to
Speaker 3: build up to the first Alien movie. So who knows
Speaker 3: what was in his head to connect all these, But yeah,
Speaker 3: I think Alien Covenant is probably more of an alien
Speaker 3: movie than this for sure. And they actually had the
Speaker 3: thought to put the word alien in the title because
Speaker 3: they weren't trying to hide from it and the black
Speaker 3: goo that we see in this that showed up in
Speaker 3: Alien Romulus. I don't remember exactly how it played a
Speaker 3: role in that, but it was there. Any thoughts or questions.
Speaker 2: Or I'm just really mad that they didn't show the
Speaker 2: engineer's planet getting infected by those alien things. They created
Speaker 2: this weird character and then they just throw it away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't mean the engineers even in I don't
Speaker 3: think they're in the next movie. Fold. So after Prometheus,
Speaker 3: Ridley Scott wanted to do a trilogy, so they made
Speaker 3: Aidien Covenant, and then I don't think they're moving forward
Speaker 3: with any of the others. Oh sounds like they decided
Speaker 3: that Elizabeth Shaw did not survive into the next movie. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's one of those again.
Speaker 2: Kill a character off screen and explain it away. She
Speaker 2: had really nice abs. Baby would have ruined, all right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder how well that scar will he'll heal?
Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't matter because she dies.
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