WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:05.160 Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week 2 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:12.839 covering the twenty twelve film Prometheus. 3 00:00:14.119 --> 00:00:15.439 Welcome to Spacing Out. 4 00:00:15.519 --> 00:00:19.079 I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the 5 00:00:19.120 --> 00:00:22.160 Alien franchise one movie at a time. At the moment 6 00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:25.640 of this recording, Prometheus is available to stream on Hulu. 7 00:00:25.879 --> 00:00:28.199 We are only focusing on Prometheus today, so if there's 8 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:31.559 any discussion of subsequent entries into the franchise, we will 9 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:33.719 save that for a spoiler section at the end of 10 00:00:33.719 --> 00:00:36.079 the podcast. Soph you haven't seen the movies that release 11 00:00:36.159 --> 00:00:39.439 after this one, we will shield you from spoilers. But 12 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:42.640 anything released before this movie is fair game to discuss. 13 00:00:43.119 --> 00:00:47.679 So Prometheus premiered on June first, twenty twelve, written by 14 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:53.240 John Spates and Damon Lindeloff, and directed by Sir Ridley Scott. 15 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:55.960 Sir Scott, Huh's night. 16 00:00:56.479 --> 00:01:00.479 Yes, indeed. In this movie, a team of explorers discover 17 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:03.359 a clue to the origins of mankind on Earth, leading 18 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:06.519 them on a journey to the darkest corners of the universe. There, 19 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:09.400 they must fight a terrifying battle to save the future 20 00:01:09.680 --> 00:01:13.480 the human race. That's a very vague plot description. 21 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:17.000 Also sounds way more exciting than what you actually get. 22 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:24.920 O vibe check, vibe check. Did we like the movie overall? 23 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:27.640 How does it stand the test of time? 24 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:30.879 So how invested were you? Now? 25 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:33.359 I'm not invested. I'm not interested. 26 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:34.200 I'm bored. 27 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:39.760 I'm so bored. The movie didn't get good until like 28 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:42.760 the second or third half of the movie. 29 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:47.120 What the hell? Yeah? Uh, definitely a slow build and 30 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:51.040 a movie that doesn't seem like it wants to be 31 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:52.599 an alien movie. 32 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:54.879 Yeah, it was. It was like trying to be like 33 00:01:54.920 --> 00:02:03.239 this archaeological like Roman mythology idea, and it's like boring. 34 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:07.640 I'm tired, I'm bored, and I don't care. I don't 35 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:13.080 care that her daddy died of polio or whatever, ebulla, I. 36 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:14.599 Don't care that. 37 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:19.319 Like there's an old man who's like trying to capture 38 00:02:19.360 --> 00:02:24.360 his youth. Like they have amazing actors in this and 39 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:25.879 they don't utilize them. 40 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:30.439 I thought it was somewhat good just as a general 41 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:33.199 science fiction film, but you know, I came here for 42 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:37.360 an alien movie and got very little aliens, and very 43 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:41.120 little aliens that resembled the ones I'm used to. Yeah, 44 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:43.439 I mean you could see that they're these are like 45 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:47.680 early forms of like the face huggers and stuff. But yeah, 46 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:49.840 and then so I don't know, I'm I'm kind of 47 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:52.319 lukewarm on the movie. I just like, I don't know 48 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:55.280 why we went so far in this direction. And I 49 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:57.680 feel like the movie thinks it's a lot deeper than 50 00:02:57.719 --> 00:02:58.439 it actually is. 51 00:02:59.159 --> 00:03:03.199 It's like smelly its own farts and like being really 52 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:10.039 into them, and it's like ba humbug. And then like randomly, 53 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:14.719 it's Christmas. So it's this idea of Christ just kind 54 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:19.199 of in there, like subconsciously, with this pregnancy and this 55 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:26.680 like saviorism. Like this is just like so much mythology 56 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:32.039 and all these like shitty layers of exposition that don't 57 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:32.960 go anywhere. 58 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:37.960 Yeah, and I think it had like really good production design, 59 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:41.360 like it it was beautiful. It was beautifully shot and 60 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:44.280 you know, well acted and like all the all these 61 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:47.280 pieces were there. But it also has this issue where 62 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:50.719 it doesn't feel like the other alien movies. It doesn't like, 63 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:53.039 I know, I said, we're not going to be talking 64 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:56.520 about like alien Romulus, but without spoiling it, like Alien 65 00:03:56.599 --> 00:04:00.000 Romulus feels like it's part of the alien universe. Starting 66 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:02.560 with those movies. The movie in the seventies and eighties. 67 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:09.560 Yeah, I think what we're missing is elements of like 68 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:15.319 the crew being a sound well put like crew, because 69 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:22.600 this crew is haphazardly put together. They're apprehensive to get along, 70 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:26.079 and then like at the end, somehow they're willing to 71 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:29.480 sacrifice their lives for something that they've never heard of. 72 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:32.000 They're not on the like they have no idea what's 73 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:35.279 going on. So it's like really fucking weird. It's really 74 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:39.839 fucking weird that, like we go from like a group 75 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:43.040 of strangers to like a group of people that's willing 76 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:46.839 to die together to save the planet or whatever. There's 77 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:49.879 the disconnect between the crew at the beginning of the 78 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:53.879 crew at the end that doesn't get like built up 79 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:59.399 or like developed in any way because the main focus 80 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:03.920 is this way woman who loves Jesus or whatever. 81 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:07.399 I don't know. 82 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:12.279 And then the android. I think that was the most 83 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:15.759 alien like thing that they had, was like a sinister android. 84 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:20.399 Yeah. Yeah, So yeah, that's where it stands. Let's look 85 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:21.959 at how it came to be. 86 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:28.759 Trivia time. What facts could we uncover for Prometheus? 87 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:32.720 So development of a fifth alien film began by two 88 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:36.439 thousand and two, with Ridley Scott considering returning to the franchise. 89 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:39.639 He met with James Cameron and began working on a script. However, 90 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:42.560 when twentieth Century Fox started pushing the concept of Alien 91 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:45.399 Versus Predator, both filmmakers stepped away from the project. 92 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:46.959 Oh they hated that idea. 93 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:50.600 Yeah, I thought that was a cheap money grab. What 94 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:56.040 So in two thousand and nine, Fox was pushing for 95 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:59.040 the idea of a reboot and they contracted Scott to 96 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:01.680 direct the project. It soon became a prequel to Alien. 97 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:04.720 Over time, the project was rethought into an original work, 98 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:07.639 not part of the franchise, and then the production began 99 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:11.639 to publicly distance itself from the Alien origins, being intentionally 100 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:14.120 vague about any connection the film has to Alien, and 101 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:17.279 eventually Scott confirmed in twenty eleven that the film does 102 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:19.720 take place in the same universe as Alien. So I 103 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:21.800 feel like you can feel that in the movie. Though, 104 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:24.319 like they wanted this to be its own thing, and 105 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:26.600 then they worked to Alien back into it. Well. 106 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:30.839 I recall, like when it was being advertised and when 107 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:34.439 people were watching it back in like twenty and twelve, 108 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:40.120 that it was the intellectuals sci fi show or movie, 109 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:43.480 and it was there was. Nobody was talking about it 110 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:46.439 as an alien movie. It was like a science fiction 111 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:50.199 movie about the origin of man. And how like interesting 112 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:55.240 and cool that was, and how like just thop provoking 113 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:57.879 it could be. And when I watched them, like it's stupid, 114 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:01.720 I just remember that guy with the weird face, that 115 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:04.680 white dude, that really big white dude, and I just 116 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:06.079 like immediately checked out. 117 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:11.560 The original title was Paradise in reference to the poem 118 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:16.079 Paradise Lost, before being changed to Prometheus, and Ridley Scott 119 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:21.480 avoided using green screens as much as possible. Locations included Iceland, Jordan, Spain, 120 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:24.399 and then Pinewood Studios in England. I do think you 121 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:26.399 could feel that in the movie as well, that like, 122 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:29.199 this wasn't on a green screen studio. 123 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:34.079 Yeah, I felt very like physical. Yeah, except for when 124 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:39.720 they did that holographic kind of streaming things, but that 125 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:40.439 was well done. 126 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:43.800 I think Ridley Scott repeatedly told the crew not to 127 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:46.600 tell the actors certain things or let them see storyboards 128 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:50.360 to procure more genuine responses, notably in the scene where 129 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:53.399 a snakelike creature bursts from the dead Millburn's mouth. The 130 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:56.319 studio was interested in a PG thirteen rating for the film, 131 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:58.600 but ultimately Scott was allowed to have an R rating, 132 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:01.279 which he thought was most appropriate for the film. 133 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:04.720 Really, I feel like it could. It's totally Peach thirteen. 134 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:07.519 They don't use a lot of foul language. The violence 135 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:11.399 isn't like super duper violent like I've seen other stuff 136 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:15.480 that's Peach thirteen that's like way more violent. Yeah, I 137 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:17.120 mean maybe at that time. 138 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:20.800 I think some of the like very socific moments in. 139 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:22.800 It, when that guy gets his arm broken. 140 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:25.959 That maybe, I mean definitely, like the pregnant and going 141 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:30.319 down his throat and then that uh C section type 142 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:32.679 thing like that was very graphic. That would have to 143 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:33.919 cut that differently at least. 144 00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:35.240 Yeah, you're right, you're right. 145 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:37.399 Yeah, her stomach was open on the screen. 146 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:41.120 You're right, it did. Like I remember, I was like cringing. 147 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:44.080 I was like holding my breath as that was happening. 148 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:49.080 Yeah, okay. A viral marketing campaign began in February twenty 149 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:52.039 twelve with the release of a video featuring a speech 150 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:55.600 by Pierce in character as Peter Wayland about his vision 151 00:08:55.639 --> 00:08:58.519 for the future and set in twenty twenty three. The 152 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:02.320 short film presents a future teristic vision of a ted conference. 153 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:05.399 This segment was directed by Ridley Scott's son Luke, and 154 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:07.840 three other short films were released ahead of the premiere. 155 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:10.720 The budget was around one hundred and twenty five million 156 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:13.279 and the box office was four hundred and three million, 157 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:18.039 making a financial success. Overall, critical reception was generally positive, 158 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:21.399 with praise going to the visual, aesthetic and performances, and 159 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:24.519 some of the criticism towards a story and the grandiose 160 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.440 philosophical elements, as well as unanswered questions. The film was 161 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:32.840 nominated for several awards, mostly technical ones, including Best Visual 162 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:36.000 Effects at the Academy Awards, and then a sequel titled 163 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:39.720 Alien Covenant was released in May twenty seventeen. 164 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:47.360 Deep Space Dive, let's break down some of our thoughts 165 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:50.279 on the film. You can share your thoughts with us 166 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:54.039 through email or social media. We may use your comments 167 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:55.440 on an upcoming episode. 168 00:09:55.639 --> 00:10:00.279 Well well, well, we have an alien problem again. This 169 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:05.039 time it's an Ireland or wherever the fuck they are Iceland. 170 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:08.840 The studying was beautiful, I will say that, like the 171 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:13.639 beginning of the film with the big waterfall and that 172 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:17.600 guy drinking that juice or those berries, oh yeah yeah, 173 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:20.559 and then he like falls into the water and disintegrates. 174 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:22.559 What's up with that? Why did you do that? That 175 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:26.240 was so weird? See being a sacrificial lamb? What's going on? 176 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:28.159 What was he doing? Like? I thought that would make 177 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:30.360 sense as the movie went on. Yeah, I don't know. 178 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:33.519 It never tied back in. We never figured out. And 179 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:37.360 then like him dressed up in like a diaper with 180 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:42.080 like just being completely naked almost compared to like the 181 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:45.080 full on like mega man suits that they wore with 182 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:48.080 the elephant face weird, So like what. 183 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:48.519 Was up with that? 184 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:51.320 Like who was he? What did he mean to them? 185 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:51.559 Like? 186 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:56.360 Wait, why did he do that? Like so many questions unanswered. 187 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:58.679 Yeah, I was just reading the plot and see if 188 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:01.360 it described it an any that made sense. But no, 189 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:04.399 he drinks a black liquid and his body dissolves and 190 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:08.799 his DNA falls apart and starts to recombine. Okay, sure, sure, 191 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:15.200 why not? Then our scientists discover some pictures in some 192 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:18.440 caves and that sends them on a journey across space. 193 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:24.240 Yeah, they get an archaeological booner because they found similarities 194 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:29.480 between many civilizations, the same depictions of these tall men 195 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:35.679 and these star clusters, and so somehow they're able to 196 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:36.840 find a sugar daddy. 197 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:40.639 Yeah, we don't see how that relationship came. 198 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:44.039 To be, but I want to see that, like them 199 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:48.320 going door to door for being like we found the 200 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:52.399 origin of mankind? Would you like to fund my space expedition? 201 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:56.480 As they go to like Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk. 202 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:57.799 And Bill Gates, all of them. 203 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:02.279 Yeah, all these old guys that happening preserve their life 204 00:12:02.279 --> 00:12:02.879 long enough. 205 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:09.360 Yeah. But and then like we know nothing of the crew. 206 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:13.600 We don't get introduced to anybody except Charlie's thorn and 207 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:18.799 the captain and then those two nerds that hate each other. Yeah, 208 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:21.480 and then that's kind of it. And then there's the 209 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:25.039 fucking robot hanging out before everyone wakes up. 210 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:27.559 Yeah, so he was just awake the whole trip, and 211 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:32.240 he's learning languages and studying TV shows. 212 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:35.600 Bleaching his hair? Does his hair grow? What is going 213 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:38.759 on with that? Like that? Why would he be bleaching 214 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:40.919 his hair if he's a fucking robot. 215 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:43.480 I don't know. He's trying to imitate what he's seeing 216 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:44.000 on TV. 217 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:47.159 Yeah, but I can't believe they gave him human hair. 218 00:12:47.799 --> 00:12:50.159 They gave him a human unit and it didn't come 219 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:54.399 and blonde. He bleached it himself. Where does he get bleach? 220 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:59.720 Who packed bleach and peroxide on this trip? 221 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:03.440 He probably packed a lot of hair products for himself 222 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:05.480 because he had to spend years away. 223 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:09.120 He downloaded all of his movies that he were on 224 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:13.200 his watching this too, and he would like walk around 225 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:15.799 and be like quoting his movies and I'm like, oh 226 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:17.200 my god, he's me. 227 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:23.360 And then he was shooting that basketball from the bicycle. 228 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:26.320 I'm wondering if that was a reference to Sigourney shooting 229 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:28.440 the hoops. And yeah, Dailien Resurrection. 230 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:32.639 Yeah, the fact they another ship with a basketball court 231 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:33.960 that we only see once. 232 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:36.279 Yeah, they all have it, don't you know, Like. 233 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:40.440 All that space on that ship must be huge. But 234 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:43.519 in this one, in this movie, the ship isn't much 235 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:49.200 of a character like the ships have been in previous films, 236 00:13:49.480 --> 00:13:53.159 because the ship usually plays like a major role in 237 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:57.440 the chase, and this one just the ship was just 238 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:00.440 kind of ship. It didn't really matter where you were. 239 00:14:00.559 --> 00:14:04.840 There was no orientation of like space. 240 00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:07.639 Well for the most part, like the action took place 241 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:09.720 outside of the ship. Yeah, and then they would come 242 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:11.840 back to the ship. There were several scenes and then 243 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:14.759 like driving their cars from the ship over to the caves. 244 00:14:14.919 --> 00:14:18.879 Yeah, and the caves ended up being another ship. Yeah, 245 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:22.000 and it was like weird. And I was really pissed 246 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:25.600 off when they took off their helmets, specifically the lead guy. 247 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:27.799 When he took off his helmet, I wanted him to die. 248 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:28.960 He's being such jerk. 249 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:31.480 Yeah, he sucked, and. 250 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:34.000 Nobody felt bad when he got sick or got lit 251 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:35.080 on fire or nothing. 252 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:37.039 Like. I could kind of tell what was going to 253 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:40.000 become of him when David went in to talk to him, 254 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:41.360 offering that drink. 255 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:43.799 Yeah, and then he puts his finger in his drink 256 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:46.320 and I'm like, nasty, I don't want that drink. You 257 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:48.679 put your finger in it, you gross bitch. But he 258 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.320 was probably already drunk, and he's an asshole he doesn't care. Yeah, 259 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:54.720 but that's how quickly you can get drugged, you know, 260 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:57.279 when you're out getting you can get roofied like that. 261 00:14:57.519 --> 00:15:00.360 Yeah. So when they take off their helmets, we don't 262 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:01.919 see them carrying their helmets. 263 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:04.679 No, they don't carry them. I don't know where they 264 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:06.879 put them. It's not like they have like a little 265 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:10.440 spot on their backpacks where they can like clip them 266 00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:14.200 on or They're not like Buzz Lightyear's helmet where it 267 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:16.960 just like kind of goes up like a visor and 268 00:15:17.159 --> 00:15:19.519 just kind of hangs out. That would make the most 269 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:23.519 sense to me. Yeah, that way, because like the plot 270 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:26.279 holes are plot holing, and the helmets are such a 271 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:27.639 big part of the plot hole. 272 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:31.120 Because they get their helmets back on before they get 273 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:32.120 back to the ship. 274 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:35.720 Right when they're running through that silicone storm or whatever 275 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:36.360 they called it. 276 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:39.279 And then the two geologists guys. 277 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:39.879 They found them too. 278 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:42.279 They had they got lost somehow. 279 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:44.840 But they found their helmets. So what is the truth 280 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:46.600 with these helmets, I don't know. 281 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:49.960 I think it's that production wanted to see their faces, 282 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:51.799 so they made a reason for them to take off 283 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:52.759 their helmets. 284 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:55.879 Right, because it's obvious that the suits that they're making, 285 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:59.440 regardless of how much time has gone by from the 286 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:03.840 nineteen seventies until twenty twelve, we still don't have the 287 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:07.559 technology to make those suits so that they don't fucking 288 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:11.320 fog up when you speak. When that guy howled because 289 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:15.360 he threw up those little pups or whatever he called him, 290 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:19.279 you could see the vapor in his helmet just flogging 291 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:23.480 up his face. And I'm like, this is twenty twelve. 292 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:26.200 Do we not have the technology to put some fucking 293 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:31.159 vent holes on these bitches? What is going on? I 294 00:16:31.159 --> 00:16:35.279 don't know. I feel like any space movie that has 295 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:40.320 like a helmet like that just really suffers. I think 296 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:44.720 finally they did it pretty well with Gravity with Sandra 297 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:47.759 Bullock and George Clooney. I think that was the best 298 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:49.399 one with helmets and shit. 299 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:53.559 Yeah, a lot of series Chosen movies will attempt to 300 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:56.399 put like a light inside the helmet, which is great 301 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:58.440 for the audience because we can actually see the actor, 302 00:16:58.519 --> 00:17:00.480 but it makes no sense to have a light shining 303 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:04.319 on your face when you're inside of a helmet like that. Yeah, 304 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:07.119 oh yeah, we covered all those episodes of Battlestar and 305 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:09.839 they always had that. It was kind of a from above, 306 00:17:09.920 --> 00:17:12.359 so it wasn't like directly on their face, but it 307 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:15.279 created weird shadows. But there's still no reason for it 308 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.400 unless you wanted other people to see you. Well. So 309 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:21.640 I mentioned earlier that it aesthetically does not feel like 310 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:25.559 the earlier alien movies and this is a prequel to them, 311 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:28.640 and like it also just seems like there's more technology 312 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:32.240 in this movie, Like they have all these gadgets and 313 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:36.240 these holographic projections and just things we never saw in 314 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:38.400 the movies that take place after this one. 315 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:41.279 I wish they would have explained it by saying, we 316 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:44.319 have a better budget. Thank you budget, thank you budget, 317 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:46.960 Like I'm so glad we have a rich sugar Daddy 318 00:17:46.960 --> 00:17:49.799 pain for all this equipment, And then we could like 319 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:56.079 what's the word we can hypothesize or we can gleam into, 320 00:17:56.759 --> 00:17:59.799 like thinking about how it would be different where you're 321 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:03.319 working in a like place where they're trying to cut 322 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:07.559 costs to for profits and cutting corners and things like that. 323 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:11.039 So that's I wish they would have like just mentioned 324 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:13.839 something like just a little bit like these are my 325 00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:16.960 pups thanks to sugar Daddy Ray or whatever his name is. 326 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:21.720 Yeah, I mean, just something to contextualize why, because I 327 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:26.720 mean I guess Alien was on this you know, mining ship. Like, yeah, 328 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:29.400 it wasn't a state of the art vessel by any means, 329 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:32.599 but it definitely seemed like it was lacking technology if 330 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:35.759 all of this was available, you know, decades and decades prior, 331 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:39.680 and everything just looked like cleaner on as grungy as 332 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:43.839 that movie. Yeah, it's kind of like Star Wars prequels 333 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:46.720 and how they look more advanced than the originals. 334 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:50.559 I just don't know why they had to be a prequel. 335 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:53.599 I feel like this could have been a continuation of 336 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:56.519 the alien saga and you could just say we're finally 337 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:59.079 going to look this up, where did they come from? 338 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:01.880 Where do we come from from? And say it's the future. 339 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:08.440 It doesn't fucking matter when this happens. That's true, Like 340 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:12.519 it literally doesn't fucking matter, because it's almost a standalone film. 341 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:15.359 Yeah, I guess like they're trying to dig into how 342 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:16.920 the Aliens were created as well. 343 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:19.640 I think they're trying to talk about how we were 344 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:25.720 created and where DNA matches to these weird, bald headed dudes. 345 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:29.039 And I'm like, I don't care. I don't care. I 346 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:31.039 don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I want 347 00:19:31.079 --> 00:19:36.000 to see people die, like it took forever for somebody 348 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:39.039 to die. And then she fucked that infected dude and 349 00:19:39.079 --> 00:19:43.279 had a weird baby. That was also ridiculous. That happened 350 00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:47.039 so quickly and so fast, and she was so alone, 351 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:51.440 and there was like it was really bizarre and almost 352 00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:56.440 off putting, like there was she was running and like frantic, 353 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:59.839 but nobody was chasing her. The real problem was in 354 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:03.200 Belly Girl. And then she like puts it in the 355 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:09.039 capsule after it gets extracted and pushes a button thinking 356 00:20:09.119 --> 00:20:12.039 it's gonna like die, like not even making sure it's 357 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:14.480 dead because it's still wiggling when she leaves the room. 358 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:14.920 Yeah. 359 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:18.480 Oh and my favorite part, this machine is only calibrated 360 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:18.920 for men. 361 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:19.519 Yeah. 362 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:27.720 Why because it's fucking science. It's always the patriarchy. Every 363 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:32.440 medical study was made with men in mind. Women have 364 00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:37.160 not been studied at all. Like we've barely started like thinking, oh, 365 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:40.240 maybe we should study the female body. When you think 366 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:43.480 of a heart attack, you think of the symptoms for men, 367 00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:46.880 because the symptoms for women are way different, and people 368 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:49.599 don't know what a heart attack looks like in a 369 00:20:49.640 --> 00:20:56.839 woman because science is always centered around men. And this 370 00:20:56.960 --> 00:20:59.200 is the like I feel like it was kind of 371 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:02.359 so I don't know if it was on purpose, but 372 00:21:02.480 --> 00:21:05.920 it's like a big commentary on that. But this movie 373 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:12.039 wasn't like this big, beautiful, wonderful feminist like propaganda or 374 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:17.240 feminist like thing. But that one moment was like speaking volumes. 375 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:21.599 Like it's two thousand and ninety eight and we still 376 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:24.680 don't calibrate machines for your fucking femass. 377 00:21:24.759 --> 00:21:27.480 Yeah, there was that, and then there was this concept 378 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:30.599 that like David is wanting to like force this woman 379 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:32.440 to carry this thing to term. 380 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:35.720 Yeah, and that was weird. I don't understand his motivation 381 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:37.000 at all. 382 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:41.440 I think it was similar to was it Aliens where 383 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:44.200 they were gonna cry o freeze Ripley and the girl 384 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:45.599 and bring them back to earth? 385 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:46.200 Yeah? 386 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:49.079 Do that? Yeah. I think it's referencing back to the 387 00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:51.680 older movies in a few cases like that one. 388 00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:54.519 But how did he know she was gonna have a baby. 389 00:21:54.839 --> 00:21:57.519 How did he know that that drunk cass man was 390 00:21:57.559 --> 00:21:59.559 going to be able to get it up hard enough 391 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:01.079 to fuck this woman? 392 00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:03.640 I don't know. I don't know what he knew. This 393 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:04.000 is the. 394 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:07.480 Problem we I think he just got lucky that she 395 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:10.960 got pregnant and he was excited about it. And then 396 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:15.640 he basically admitted that Homeboy didn't die from the air. 397 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:18.519 He's like, no, I fucking poisoned him and she still 398 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:21.519 trusts him. I'd be like, I'm just bringing your head 399 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:23.920 to the trip. We're not bringing your body. Baby. If 400 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:26.279 we're getting out of here, it's just your head coming along. 401 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:28.799