WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.240 What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the 2 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:06.879 Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna pick up where 3 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:10.359 we left off with Leslie Groff and the transcripts from 4 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:15.000 her interview with Congress mister Biggs. Thank you, Thank you 5 00:00:15.080 --> 00:00:18.239 very much. I don't want this to be tedious, but 6 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:20.719 I just really feel like we need to explore this. 7 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:23.879 We'recalling the database that you use to make calls to 8 00:00:23.879 --> 00:00:26.800 set these appointments and looking at that list in the 9 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:29.879 exhibit that you have before you, now, do they seem 10 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:32.520 at least similar to you? I mean, do you recognize 11 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:35.600 some of the names, numbers, et cetera. Groff, most of 12 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:38.840 them are redacted, Biggs, most of the New York ones 13 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:43.159 are redacted. Graff are redacted? Right. I recognize Don as 14 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:48.119 Don Wicks and pom Beach. Biggs. Pom Beach, he's in Florida, Graff, Yes, Biggs? 15 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:52.280 Any others Graff, No, Biggs. Let's explore that for a second. 16 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:56.880 Don w R has three numbers and three descriptions by them. 17 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:00.359 One is B, one is W, one is H. I 18 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:03.840 don't want to assume something, but what do those mean? Groff? 19 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:06.959 I would think work home. I don't know what be 20 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:12.959 means Bigs business, perhaps Groff business, Biggs, which raises this 21 00:01:13.040 --> 00:01:15.519 odd question. I mean you had her home number, you 22 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:18.120 had her work number and her business number. Did that 23 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:21.040 strike you as odd that she had multiple apparently multiple 24 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:26.840 numbers would come. You've got to let him finish the question, Biggs. Yeah, 25 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:30.159 through multiple places you can go there, Groff. It did 26 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:34.799 not strike me as strange. Biggs was down a regular 27 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:38.280 of his grof. She had, she had her husband and 28 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:41.200 a medical spa. Her husband was a chiropractor, and I 29 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:44.719 know mister Epstein went to her spa. Biggs. Let's go 30 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:47.400 back to the front page because this is something this 31 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:50.200 is unredacted. And I don't know if you said that 32 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:52.719 you made some maybe you made some of the appointments 33 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:56.400 in California. Did I understand that right? Growth It's possible 34 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:59.760 he didn't go to California very often, Biggs. Looking at 35 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:02.719 the perhaps you looked at it. Then as you go 36 00:02:02.799 --> 00:02:07.079 down the list, particularly in the second row, the second column, 37 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:10.520 I should say, gypsy has a phone number. Gypsy has 38 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:16.120 a phone number. Another gypsy has a phone number. Mister Graff, Oh, yes, Biggs, 39 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:20.240 sports connection has a phone number. And then looking at those. 40 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:24.639 Did you see those? Then? Just to clarify that, Graf, 41 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:27.719 it's possible, Biggs. Would it strike you as odd that 42 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:31.919 there's no name? It's just gypsy, mister Graff. Gypsy was 43 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:37.599 the mel massuse, Mister Biggs, there's multiple Gypsies on here. Graf, 44 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:40.879 it was it was his name, that's what we called them. 45 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:43.919 And they're talking about Gypsy Gida, that's who they're talking about, 46 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:48.560 the so called guru. Yeah, him, mister Biggs. Well, there's 47 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:52.080 another one name to redacted and the descriptor here is 48 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:55.520 one of gypsy. What does that mean? GoF Oh? I 49 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:58.199 don't know, Biggs. I mean, I don't want to suppose, 50 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:01.800 but I mean there's some supposition we could make. You 51 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:05.120 didn't find that curious. Perhaps let's go to the UK 52 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:07.919 massage list for a second. You have a number, you've 53 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:11.439 got some redactions there. What's not redacted is Los Angeles. 54 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:13.759 What might that mean? Did you see that? It's the 55 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:17.120 second column, I'm sorry, last one of the redacted in 56 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:21.360 the massage UK. Graff. Oh, I don't know, Biggs. The 57 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:26.240 one above it says Amsterdam Groff. I don't know, Biggs. 58 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:30.039 Jean Luke, Bim Graf Jean Luke Biggs. Do you know 59 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:33.360 who John Luke Bim is? Graf. I don't know, Biggs. 60 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:35.599 I'm going to stop there. Well, I'm not going to 61 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:38.280 stop there. I'm going to ask another question, but then 62 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:41.120 I'll stop. And that is as you think back now, 63 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:44.800 looking back now from this vantage point that you're in now, 64 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:47.680 and you had a database on the computer, you have 65 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:50.159 this black book that you add access to as well. 66 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:52.960 Did any of that strike you as odd that mister 67 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:56.280 Epstein was keeping literally by my account, well over fifty 68 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:59.960 or seventy five different discrete names in various massage calls 69 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:03.280 from all over the world vs. A V. Whatever he 70 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:05.319 had in the database. Did that strike you as odd 71 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:09.159 at all? Grof? Does it strike me as odd now? Biggs? Yeah, 72 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:12.159 looking back, Groth, he had so many people in his 73 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:14.840 realm and knew so many people. It doesn't strike me 74 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:16.839 as odd that he had a lot of different people 75 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:20.079 in his black book, in his directory. It's not surprising 76 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:22.800 the within the depth of the people that he knew. 77 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:25.600 This is one category, but I believe he had the 78 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:29.120 same amount of people in other categories as well, Bigs, 79 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:32.639 but in particular with the massage category all over the world. 80 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:36.480 That didn't strike you as odd that, for instance, in 81 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:41.480 California he maintained the names of twenty six different messuses. Groth. 82 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:43.839 I mean he was very wealthy, and he knew a 83 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:46.160 lot of people, and when he went to any time 84 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:48.800 he met anyone, he'd put them in the directory. It 85 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:52.040 could be a passing Biggs. He must have been a 86 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:55.839 prolific massage receiver. Thank you, Thank you. Emmer. We've had 87 00:04:55.839 --> 00:04:59.040 another member of Congress join us. Can he please identify himself? 88 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:03.879 Resent Senative Scott Perry, Pennsylvania's tenth district. Emmer, we've also 89 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:07.519 had an additional staff member or members joined since we started. 90 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:13.120 Can they identify themselves? Mister Emmer? Thank you both. Redacted. Toland, 91 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:15.920 recognizing we only have a couple minutes left in our hour, 92 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:19.639 go ahead, Emmer. We've had another member joined. Can you 93 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:25.000 please identify yourself for the record, James Walkinshaw, eleventh District, Virginia, 94 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:29.639 Miss Tolan. Question, Recognizing we only have a little bit 95 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:31.879 of time, I'm going to ask you a few quick questions. 96 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:35.040 Did you ever witness mister Abstein have sexual contact of 97 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:38.160 any kind with any other young woman or girl? Answer 98 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:42.120 no question? Did you ever witness Miss Maxwell have sexual 99 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:45.600 contact of any kind with any other young woman or girl? 100 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:50.279 Answer no question. Did you ever witness mister Abstein abuse 101 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:54.959 or assault any young woman or a girl? Answer no question. 102 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:57.959 Did any young woman or a girl ever tell you 103 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:01.040 that mister Abstein or anyone else abuse, used or assaulted them? 104 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:06.079 Answer no question. Did you ever witness mister Ebstein exploit 105 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:09.959 any young woman or girls? Answer no question. Did you 106 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:13.519 ever witness Miss Maxwell exploit any young women or girls? 107 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:18.199 Answer no question. Did you ever witness any other individual 108 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:21.879 aside from mister Ebstein abuse or assault any young women 109 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:25.879 or girls? Answer no question. I'm going to ask you 110 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:28.959 a list of names for the same question. Did you 111 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:32.480 ever witness any of the following individuals abuse or assault 112 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:36.360 any young women or girls? Frederick Focai answer no. Philip 113 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:41.279 Levine answer no, Les Wexner answer no, Leon Black answer no, 114 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:47.120 Bill Gates answer no. Jess Staley answer no. Andrew Mountbatten 115 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:53.079 Windsor answer no, Harvey Weinstein no, Terry Larson no, Tommy 116 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:59.319 Mottola no, George Mitchell no, Henry Jureki no, Eduardo TiO 117 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:04.600 Dorani no, Glenn Dubin no, Lapo Elkin no, I don't 118 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:09.600 know who that is. Question Tom Pritzker, Answer no, David Mitchell, 119 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:13.560 no question. Did you ever hear any allegations about any 120 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:17.959 of these men? Answer no, mister Timmins, real quick. From 121 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:21.399 twenty thirteen until you left, the majority of that time, 122 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:24.279 there were eight twenty to thirty five year old women 123 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:26.560 that were in the house with them at all times. 124 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:29.160 What do you think they did? What was their job? Like? 125 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:33.120 They were just around? Graff, you're referring to Timmins. I've 126 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:38.000 got redacted, redacted or redacted, redacted or redacted, redacted and redacted? 127 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:41.319 What did they do? So they were around for years, Graff, 128 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:44.399 they were Timmins, and you ran their lives, Graff. I 129 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:47.120 did not run their lives, Timmins. Did you control when 130 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:50.000 they got a haircut? Graf? I did not control when 131 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:52.920 they got a haircut? Timmins. We got an email. We'll 132 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:55.160 get to that in a minute. But so, I mean, 133 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:57.879 they say that their credit cards were controlled by Epstein, 134 00:07:57.959 --> 00:08:01.079 by you, Kahn Endyken redacted, They had loans taken out 135 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:04.120 in their names, their apartments were at the behest of Epstein, 136 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:07.199 And they say that you were largely responsible for managing 137 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:10.959 that their computers, their phones, their flights, their hotels, all 138 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:13.720 their travel, all of their life was run by Epstein. 139 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:16.959 What do you think those humans were doing during that time? 140 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:20.319 Why did they exist in the world, Grof. I believe 141 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:22.879 them to be traveling assistants, and none of them ever 142 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:26.000 looked unhappy or under duress. They would travel with them 143 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:28.959 and do errands and source things. They were not all 144 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:31.040 together at all the time with them. It was a 145 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:33.639 demanding job to travel with them. It would appear to 146 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:36.600 me to have to leave given twelve hours notice, Hey, 147 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:38.960 we're going upon beach tomorrow. To me, it would be 148 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:41.559 grueling to ask one person to do that all the time. 149 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:44.200 I think they would get burnt out, and so he 150 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:46.679 would take one or two with them, but they would 151 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:49.080 get them coffee. They would go out and get them 152 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:53.440 a burger. It was an assistant chore type of position. Timmins. 153 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:58.039 They all just happened to be fairly beautiful and similar age. Groth. 154 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:00.679 I think that in order to be a travel assistant, 155 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:03.360 it seems consistent that you would have someone who's in 156 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:06.320 their twenties or early thirties, not married. It made sense 157 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:11.080 as that seems typical to me Timmins. In retrospect, do 158 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.720 you appreciate that they feel like they were victims of 159 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:17.159 sex and human trafficking and we're being controlled by Epstein 160 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:21.200 every part of their life? Groff in retrospect in hindsight. 161 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:24.759 In hindsight, it's terrible. I can't imagine what they were 162 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:27.240 going through. It's amazing to me that they were able 163 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:29.840 to put on such a good affront and seem happy 164 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:32.360 it was. It's hard. It's hard for me to fathom. 165 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:36.960 She's victim blaming. That's what Graff is doing. She doesn't 166 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:39.759 feel any remorse, she doesn't think she did anything wrong. 167 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:44.399 That's what it comes down to. Tolin. Question, Ms Groff, 168 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:47.639 I recognize that we are at time for our hour, 169 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:50.679 but I just have three very quick questions to end on. 170 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:53.879 Do you have any direct knowledge of mister Epstein ever 171 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:57.480 engaging in sexual relations with any of his assistants? Answer 172 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:01.240 no question. Did you ever win bodiness mister Epstein receive 173 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:05.360 a massage from young women or girls? Answer no question. 174 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:09.720 Did you ever receive a massage from anyone associated with 175 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:13.240 mister Epstein? Answer I went to a spat one time, 176 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:17.720 not associated with them, Miss Tolin, thank you. We will 177 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:22.600 end our hour and go off record. Misredacted. Good morning, 178 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:25.919 Miss Groff. My name is misredacted, and I'll be doing 179 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:28.879 most of the questioning for the minority today. I'm going 180 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:30.960 to cover some of the same topics that the majority 181 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:34.200 covered with you in the previous round. This is not 182 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:36.600 to make you repeat yourself, but rather to make sure 183 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:40.720 what we have is a clear record as possible. I 184 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:43.759 appreciate your patience while I do that. In addition to 185 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:46.799 the extent of any of my questions, where any of 186 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:51.159 your answers involve survivor names or other survivor identifying information, 187 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:54.240 I ask on behalf of the minority that the majority 188 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:59.120 redacts the information prior to releasing the transcript publicly. Question 189 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:01.799 Ms Groff, I'd like to start with your work from 190 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:05.600 mister Epstein. Started work for him in two thousand and one. 191 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:09.080 Correct answer, yes question, and you were thirty five years 192 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:12.600 old at that point. Answer yes question. Your title was 193 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:17.720 executive secretary. Correct answer, yes question, and you were paid 194 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:22.120 fifty thousand dollars correct answer, yes question. You talk a 195 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:25.480 little bit about your role and responsibilities and also about 196 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:28.120 the people that you work with. Can you say more 197 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:31.240 about the other assistants that mister Epstein had in your 198 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:34.840 relationship to them? Answer? Sure. In the office, there was 199 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:37.720 an assistant to miss Maxwell, There was an assistant to 200 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:40.759 the two attorneys. There was when I first started a 201 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:45.200 traveling assistant. There was another assistant there. She was only 202 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:49.159 there briefly. And we had a receptionist I replaced redacted. 203 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:51.919 She was mister Epstein's assistant, and then I replaced her, 204 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:55.919 so then redacted became the receptionist. Question did you at 205 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:59.600 any point manage any of those assistants? Answer no question? 206 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:03.039 So you never had your own team of assistants? Answer 207 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:07.519 no question. How did you fit in within the larger operation? 208 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:11.440 So you mentioned earlier Darren Endyke. Also there was Richard Kahn. 209 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:14.320 Would they have ever asked you to do anything? Would 210 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:17.159 Glenn Maxwell ever ask you to do anything? Or did 211 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:20.960 you only respond to mister Epstein? Answer it was mister 212 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.279 Epstein purely. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up 213 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:26.559 right here and in the next episode dealing with the topic, 214 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:29.200 We're going to pick up where we left off. All 215 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:32.519 the information that goes with this episode can be found 216 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:35.799 in the description box. What's up everyone, and welcome to 217 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:39.759 another episode. Of the Epstein chronicles. In this episode, we're 218 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:41.519 going to pick up where we left off with the 219 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:49.240 Leslie Groff transcripts from her interview with Congress. Question, you 220 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:51.919 talked a little bit about your role and responsibilities and 221 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:54.480 also about the people that you work with. Can you 222 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:57.159 say some more about the other assistants that mister Epstein 223 00:12:57.240 --> 00:13:00.799 had and your relationship to them? Answer? Sure. In the office, 224 00:13:00.799 --> 00:13:03.159 there was an assistant to miss Maxwell. There was an 225 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:05.840 assistant to the two attorneys. There was when I first 226 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.960 started a traveling assistant. There was another assistant there. She 227 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:12.679 was only there briefly, and we had a receptionist I 228 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:15.879 replaced redacted. She was mister Epstein's assistant, and then I 229 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:20.240 replaced her, so then I became the receptionist. Question did 230 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:23.360 you at any point manage any of those assistants? Answer 231 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:26.440 no question? So you never had your own team of assistants? 232 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:29.440 Answer no question? And how did you fit in with 233 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:33.000 a larger operation? So you mentioned earlier Darren Endyke. Also 234 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:35.960 there was Richard Kahn. Would they have ever asked you 235 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:38.639 to do anything? Would Maxwell have ever asked you to 236 00:13:38.679 --> 00:13:41.679 do anything? Or did you only respond to mister Epstein? 237 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:45.840 Answer it was mister Epstein, purely question, what might a 238 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:48.960 typical day look like? Answer? Sure, I would get in, 239 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:51.240 try to get in by at least age fifty five, 240 00:13:51.480 --> 00:13:53.840 because he was definitely calling me at nine a m. Sharp. 241 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:56.159 He would call me and give me twenty to ten 242 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:58.679 to twenty pages of notes that he had to be 243 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:01.440 thinking about all night, all throughout the night. In the 244 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:03.799 morning and he'd call me with all of his directives 245 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:05.840 of the people that he wanted to see that day. 246 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:09.240 The call list was always huge. He would direct me 247 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:11.440 to coordinate with his house staff. If he was going 248 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:13.519 to be, say leaving that day or the next day 249 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:16.000 for Palm Beach, he would want to make sure that 250 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:18.320 the Palm Beach staff was going to be ready to 251 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:21.120 go and ready for his visit. I would have to 252 00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:23.679 coordinate with the pilots, and he'd give me it's possible. 253 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:27.000 He gave me directives for people in the office as well, 254 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:30.080 to communicate. He would It was just it was crazy. 255 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:33.000 It was very, very busy because at the same time 256 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:35.559 that he was giving me all his directives, people were 257 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:38.600 also calling in for him as well. I had the 258 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:41.240 two phones on my desk and it was just NonStop. 259 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:44.279 So I would take messages from people who are calling 260 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:47.840 in for him, as well as giving me directives. Question 261 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:50.879 when you say that he would have directives for people 262 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:54.159 in the office to communicate, what do you mean? Answer 263 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:56.759 it would be like, tell Darren to be sure and 264 00:14:56.840 --> 00:14:59.440 call so and so today, Like I was just the 265 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:01.879 go between them, tell Darren so that he didn't have 266 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:06.159 to call Darren himself, that type of thing. Question got it. 267 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:09.159 You talked a little bit about this earlier. But how 268 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:13.720 would mister Epstein typically communicate with you? Answer? It was 269 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:16.679 first all telephone, all telephone. I don't even think he 270 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:19.799 had a cell phone. He definitely didn't have email, so 271 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:21.960 there was a lot. That's why he called me so 272 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:24.879 often to find out his messages and find out about 273 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:27.639 his schedule and give me more things to do. It 274 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:30.000 was very typical for him to book things and then 275 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:34.279 reschedule and then book again. It was chaotic. Question At 276 00:15:34.279 --> 00:15:37.120 what point did he start emailing you, because he clearly 277 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:40.879 did email you eventually answer, yeah, he clearly did. I 278 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:43.639 would say it was more around twenty eleven ten eleven 279 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:48.080 about then question, Okay, so before twenty eleven twenty twelve, 280 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:52.759 he mostly called you. Correct answer correct, yes. Question did 281 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:56.120 he also text you answer? No, we were not texters. 282 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:00.480 Question okay, mister redacted. And just to go back quickly, 283 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:03.639 you listed out who worked in the office, and you 284 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:07.279 mentioned Maxwell's assistant. You mentioned redacted. Can you give us 285 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:11.559 the names of those individuals please? Who was Maxwell's assistant Groff? 286 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:14.360 When I first started, it was redacted, and then it 287 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:17.639 was redacted, mister adacted. Was there anyone else in that 288 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:21.279 office that you recall, miss Graf? Yeah, there were two attorneys, 289 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:25.240 Darren Endyke and Jeff Schantz. There was an accountant, Eric Ganny, 290 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:28.320 and he was there when I first started, and then 291 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:32.279 it changed to Richard Kahn. There was redacted who I 292 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:35.039 thought was the assistant to the accountant, the bookkeeper. Then 293 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:38.000 there was Henry Henry Beller, who I thought was the trader, 294 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:41.279 did his trades that sort of thing. And then after 295 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:44.399 a while it was a madh Hanna who was the controller. 296 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:49.320 Mister adacted, Thank you, misredacted. Question what kind of hours 297 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:52.039 did you work? Answer? At first it was nine to five. 298 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:55.200 It was typical, and then after I had my son, 299 00:16:55.440 --> 00:17:00.360 it changed. I was given a very flexible schedule. I 300 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:02.480 would work usually two or three days a week in 301 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:05.440 the office only when he was in town, and I 302 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:08.319 job shared with redacted. She would sit in for me 303 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:10.599 when I was not there, and I got to work 304 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:13.440 from home when he was not around. Question and you 305 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:15.319 had your son in two thousand and four two thousand 306 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:19.119 and five. Answer two thousand and four December sixteenth, two 307 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:21.359 thousand and four, so right on the cusp of two 308 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:24.240 thousand and five. Question so from two thousand and one 309 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:26.960 to two thousand and four, you're working nine to five 310 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:30.519 in the office. Answer I think I got pregnant and 311 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:32.960 was really really pregnant. I got to work from home 312 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:36.559 some as well. Question and once you had that flexible schedule, 313 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:39.119 did you keep it or was there a point where 314 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:41.720 you were in the office five days a week? Answer? 315 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:44.079 I got to keep the flexible schedule, and I got 316 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:46.480 to leave early as well. There was a train I 317 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:48.839 was able to leave at four instead of five on 318 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.359 the days that I went in. Question did mister Epstein 319 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:56.079 call or make requests of you outside of work hours? Answer? 320 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:59.599 That happened later with the smartphones. Yeah, he had no filter. 321 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.119 It became more like twenty four to seven holidays. Uh huh. 322 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:07.200 Question when did that start? Answer? I would say, I'm 323 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:10.680 just trying to remember twenty eleven, twenty twelve, thirteen. I'm 324 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:12.680 just trying to put it in perspective of where I 325 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:16.240 was living. Yeah, around that time period. It progressed over time. 326 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:20.000 Question sure, so fair to say starting in twenty eleven, 327 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:24.480 twenty twelve, maybe twenty thirteen, you were working pretty long 328 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:26.920 hours because mister Epstein might reach out to you at 329 00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:31.519 any point. Answer, yeah, it was not just typical hours. Question. 330 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:33.599 I'd like to ask you a few questions about the 331 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:37.200 offices that you worked in. You said earlier that when 332 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:39.920 you started working for mister Epstein you worked at four 333 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:45.200 fifty seven Madison Avenue. Is that correct? Answer? Correct question? 334 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:47.240 And that was from two thousand and one to two 335 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:51.400 thousand and nine. Correct answer, correct question. Can you tell 336 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:54.160 us more about how that office was set up? Answer? Sure. 337 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:57.039 So when you came into the courtyard of the Helmsley 338 00:18:57.119 --> 00:18:59.680 Palace on the left hand side what they called the 339 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:03.200 villa house. So you entered a door and there was 340 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:05.839 a security guard there, and then a small elevator that 341 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:07.319 took you up to go to I think it was 342 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:10.599 the fourth floor, and that elevator dumped you right into 343 00:19:10.599 --> 00:19:14.079 the reception area of the office space. Then there was 344 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:17.240 a receptionist desk there, there were two bathrooms. To the left, 345 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:20.559 there was a large office that had the accountants and 346 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:23.279 the trader and the controller. To the right was Darren 347 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:26.559 in Dyke's office and kitchen. And then you headed down 348 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:28.759 the corridor and there was a door on the right 349 00:19:28.759 --> 00:19:31.920 hand side that went into the office where miss Maxwell sat, 350 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:35.440 Darren and Jeff's assistant redacted sat in there, and there 351 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:41.000 were several desks. Question what about mister Epstein? Where was he? Answer? Yes, 352 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:43.759 So down that same corridor there was a door. Oh, 353 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:46.480 there was first of all Jeff Shant's office, and then 354 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:50.319 there was mister Epstein's office. Question and where were you 355 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:52.960 in a relationship or excuse me, where were you in 356 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:56.319 relation to mister Epstein? Answer right, So my office was 357 00:19:56.359 --> 00:19:58.640 next to his. You had to go down the long 358 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:01.480 corridor and the door to my office was right of 359 00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:04.039 the whole office. And then my desk was in the middle. 360 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:06.680 And he had a very very large office, and he 361 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:09.680 had a door you could enter his office from the corridor, 362 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:11.720 or there was a door next to the desk that 363 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:14.799 you could enter into his office as well. Question, So 364 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:16.640 you would have seen people coming in and out of 365 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:19.960 his office. Answer. Actually, he kept his door closed to 366 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:22.960 my office most of the time. If people came, they 367 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:25.440 entered in that first door. To go into the office, 368 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:27.599 he had to set up with a sofa and a 369 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:30.240 fireplace at the front of the office, and then at 370 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:35.359 the back of the office was his desk. Question when 371 00:20:35.359 --> 00:20:38.160 you left the offices at four fifty seven Madison, did 372 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:40.880 you go next to three oh one East sixty six 373 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:44.440 or was that Lexington office? Answer? It was three oh 374 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:50.119 one East sixty six. Question And how long were you there? Answer? 375 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:53.920 I believe that was two three years? Okay. Question so 376 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:58.000 two thousand and nine to twenty eleven or twelve. Answer, 377 00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:01.440 I think that's right, Yeah, okay. And then after that 378 00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:05.960 you went to the Lexington office answer correct? Question And 379 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:08.880 how long were you there? Answer? That was from about 380 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:12.200 twenty eleven to twenty thirteen or so, And that office 381 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:14.640 remained The people who were in that office stayed there. 382 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:19.079 I started working from his home around twenty thirteen. Question 383 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:21.559 And mister Epstein's office in his home was on the 384 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:24.759 second floor. Correct answer. He had an office on the 385 00:21:24.759 --> 00:21:28.400 second floor. Uh huh. Question what flora was the massage room. 386 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:31.960 On answer, I don't know. I didn't go upstairs. Question. 387 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:34.599 You don't even know what flora was on answer It 388 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:36.880 could have been, well, I don't know for sure if 389 00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:40.680 it was on the third or the fourth or the fifth. Question. 390 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:43.680 And where was your office? Answer on the first floor 391 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:46.480 question so you would have seen people come in and 392 00:21:46.519 --> 00:21:50.400 out of his residence? Answer? Actually no, the way that 393 00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:52.759 the office was situated, you came in the front door 394 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:55.359 and there was a foire where you walked up about 395 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:57.799 eight to ten steps, and then at the platform at 396 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:00.680 the top there was a door on the left my office. 397 00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:04.240 It was an oval room, and my desk was set 398 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:06.200 in the back of the office, which was actually the 399 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:09.799 desk out the window was seventy first Street, So you 400 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:11.920 had to come up the steps, make a left into 401 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:14.200