1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,439 Speaker 1: That is She Chose Me by Kyle Gordon. I love 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,839 everything about that song. That is a perfect song. I 3 00:00:05,879 --> 00:00:07,919 think we have Kyle on the line, Kyle are you there? 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: Can you hear me? 5 00:00:10,439 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 3: Yes? 6 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: Yes, welcome to the show, my friend. That is so good. 7 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,359 I love that song so much. I love everything about 8 00:00:16,399 --> 00:00:18,160 it absolutely. 9 00:00:18,519 --> 00:00:18,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. 10 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 4: I haven't heard it in the Wow it's sounding good. 11 00:00:21,839 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 3: Yeah. 12 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a little bit of a like in 13 00:00:24,359 --> 00:00:25,839 the chorus there. You got a little bit of a 14 00:00:25,879 --> 00:00:30,640 motown thing there. I love the so that guitar solo 15 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,320 is perfect. Everything about it. It's just it's a perfect song. 16 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,520 There's there's nothing you could do to that to make 17 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,439 it better. It's it's perfect. I love it. 18 00:00:39,079 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: Well. 19 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 4: That means a lot, thank you. I had very little 20 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,000 to do with that solo. I was I was blissfully 21 00:00:45,359 --> 00:00:49,240 out of the room when that happened, my very good friend. Yeah, yeah, 22 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,359 I'm not I'm not like a I'm not a great musician. 23 00:00:52,399 --> 00:00:53,479 I'm just more of a songwriter. 24 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 3: Okay. 25 00:00:54,679 --> 00:00:56,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, So when we were in. 26 00:00:56,719 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 4: The studio that was this is this this album that 27 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:02,640 for the first song off the album is the first 28 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,280 time that I ever got out of my own way 29 00:01:04,359 --> 00:01:07,319 to not do all the instrumentation on a song. All 30 00:01:07,359 --> 00:01:09,879 I'm doing on that song is the drums and the guitars, 31 00:01:10,159 --> 00:01:12,719 I'm sorry, the acoustic guitars. I'm doing all the singing. Ye, 32 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,359 but my very good friend Nick Whitson is doing the 33 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,879 bass and the guitar, and then Chris, my friend Chris Simsen, 34 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,079 is also doing some bass. 35 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:21,439 Speaker 2: So a lot of that. 36 00:01:21,359 --> 00:01:26,359 Speaker 4: Instrumentation is just so beautiful and I'm I'm proud of 37 00:01:26,359 --> 00:01:28,280 it because I had absolutely nothing to do with it. 38 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 39 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 4: Man, I think that's that's when collaboration, you know, is 40 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,400 at its finest. So yeah, thank you so much for 41 00:01:36,439 --> 00:01:37,959 playing it, and I haven't heard. 42 00:01:37,879 --> 00:01:39,519 Speaker 2: It in a little while, and I really enjoyed it. 43 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really good. Do you uh? Do you perform 44 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,319 that live? Do you play out? 45 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:46,879 Speaker 2: Yeah? 46 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,519 Speaker 4: I play out, but not as not as Kyle Bordon yet. 47 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,359 My career is kind of been a weird. 48 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. As right now, I'm. 49 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,319 Speaker 4: Playing under two names, Mama Bear and Anthems. Okay, I'm 50 00:01:58,319 --> 00:02:02,560 going this new Yeah, this new project, Anthems is it's fantastic. 51 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,200 It's a rock project. But the Kyle Gordon stuff kind 52 00:02:05,239 --> 00:02:08,439 of represents songs that I write that that don't see 53 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:11,000 the light of the day my rock and roll projects. 54 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,319 Speaker 2: Okay, so because I write all. 55 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 4: Kinds of music, man, so this to me what I 56 00:02:16,439 --> 00:02:18,800 like about the Kyle Gordon project. It's a lot slicker 57 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,759 and a lot more refined than all my other projects. 58 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,319 And a lot of that, again has to do with 59 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:28,120 the fact that I'm not doing most of the instrumentation anymore. Okay, 60 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,280 I just yeah, I come into a studio with a 61 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,919 song idea, I record what I think is the song, 62 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,120 and then when we're done with it, it's almost it's 63 00:02:36,159 --> 00:02:39,919 almost unrecognizable. And I know you and I have never 64 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,759 really spoken. You don't really know anything about me. But 65 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,879 I've been making music for twenty five years. I'm sup yeah, 66 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:49,080 and I'm super proud of this album because it represents 67 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,759 something I've never done before. And the whole maxim was 68 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,840 is the only rule was we can't do what we've 69 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,520 done in the past, right, you know, Like there's like 70 00:02:59,719 --> 00:03:05,400 no big, huge, booming electric guitars, you know, or so 71 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,199 I'm not screaming every point. 72 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: I have to make a lot more. 73 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 4: Crooning and stuff like that, and just trying to flex 74 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,400 muscles that I've never flexed on a studio before. So yeah, man, 75 00:03:17,439 --> 00:03:20,240 it's a I got a lot of really cool songs 76 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,000 to show y'all. This is just the first one, and 77 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:25,439 I'm so excited. It's nice to meet you. 78 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:26,199 Speaker 2: How's your dad one? 79 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? 80 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,039 Speaker 1: Very well, very well, thank you. No, I've been looking 81 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,800 forward to talking with them because, like I said, I 82 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,520 love that song so much. Is it important to you 83 00:03:34,599 --> 00:03:37,800 to because you've got other projects too? Is it important 84 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,439 to you to have multiple things where you can kind 85 00:03:39,479 --> 00:03:43,199 of explore different genres or different different approaches to creating music. 86 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 87 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I like to compartmentalize things, like Mama Bear is 88 00:03:49,159 --> 00:03:52,840 my little indie project, okay, and I'll always I'll stick 89 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,599 like two artistic songs on it, but the rest of 90 00:03:56,639 --> 00:03:59,719 it's just like a very indie garage rock project. And 91 00:03:59,759 --> 00:04:03,639 then Anthems I'm creating with my very good friend Houston B, 92 00:04:04,759 --> 00:04:06,800 who was in a band called Heavy Mojo and they 93 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,800 were very popular, kind of like this rap rock thing. 94 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:13,439 And B is such a good songwriter, So he and 95 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,600 I are doing stuff with Anthems, and it's like we 96 00:04:17,639 --> 00:04:19,120 call it industrial strength. 97 00:04:18,879 --> 00:04:19,199 Speaker 2: R and B. 98 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 4: Interest is kind of like punk and R and B 99 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:22,920 mixed together. 100 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: And so and I grew up in Atlanta. 101 00:04:25,439 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Oh, I just said, really that that sounds interesting. 102 00:04:28,199 --> 00:04:29,480 I want to hear some of that. Definitely. 103 00:04:30,319 --> 00:04:31,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good. 104 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 4: In the middle of finishing an album and an EPA, 105 00:04:34,439 --> 00:04:36,959 they put out an ep last summer and we're torn around. 106 00:04:36,959 --> 00:04:38,399 We're going to go to England next year with it, 107 00:04:38,439 --> 00:04:39,759 and I'm super stoked about that. 108 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 3: Excellent. 109 00:04:40,399 --> 00:04:43,399 Speaker 4: But yeah, man, so I compartmentalize my music so that 110 00:04:43,519 --> 00:04:45,800 so the Kyle Gordon stuff is kind of like I 111 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,480 look at indie pop thing. I guess you could call it, yeah, 112 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,519 and I like, I like making pop music. 113 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 2: Who knew? Yeah? 114 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: What's the music scene like? I mean, obviously, so you're 115 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,720 in Atlanta? Now, did you grow up there? 116 00:05:01,079 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: I did? 117 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I did all my formative years here in Ato. 118 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, what's the music scene like there? I would imagine. 119 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,879 I would imagine it's a lot of different kinds of things, 120 00:05:10,879 --> 00:05:13,639 which which is probably why you're into, uh, you know, 121 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,199 making different kinds of music and compartmentalizing it. 122 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 3: I assume. 123 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 124 00:05:17,519 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 3: Is that? 125 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, growing up in Atlanta, you know, hip hop 126 00:05:20,759 --> 00:05:23,040 is very pervasive. I grew up in the early nineties, 127 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,600 so I remember I remember hip hop, I remember R 128 00:05:25,639 --> 00:05:28,120 and B, and then I remember Nirvana. Yes, my mom 129 00:05:28,199 --> 00:05:31,120 raised me with the Beatles, and so I think all 130 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:36,360 those like the the aggressiveness and the accessibility of Nirvana, 131 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,560 I'm coupled with the brilliance of the Beatles, and then 132 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:42,519 like just the rhythm, the rhythm heaviness of hip hop 133 00:05:42,759 --> 00:05:45,480 was a huge influence on me because I think if 134 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,399 you're writing a song and people aren't moving around to it, 135 00:05:48,439 --> 00:05:50,399 then you didn't You didn't you miss the point, right, 136 00:05:50,399 --> 00:05:53,439 you know, Like it's it's great to connect with people 137 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,600 through lyrics, it's it's awesome to do all that, but 138 00:05:55,639 --> 00:05:59,959 if they're not moving their body like that's unless it's 139 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,160 unless it's classical, or it's not just to do that, 140 00:06:03,319 --> 00:06:03,519 you know. 141 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: I think that's. 142 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 4: What's cool about music is it just gets inside you. 143 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,439 You don't know why you're moving, but you're just moving 144 00:06:10,439 --> 00:06:13,560 and it feels city I'm good to do it. So yeah, 145 00:06:13,639 --> 00:06:16,680 like Atlanta, the music scene in Atlanta has always been 146 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:19,759 very vibrant, like you're talking about, and I'm sure every 147 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:21,600 town could say the same thing. I don't think that 148 00:06:21,639 --> 00:06:23,519 Atlanta is better than the other town, but I do 149 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,720 think Atlanta is very unique in the sense that when 150 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,480 I was going up, like all kinds of bands blew 151 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,879 up on a national level that I knew personally, you know, 152 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:35,319 they were doing their thing. And so Atlanta has a 153 00:06:35,439 --> 00:06:41,480 very vibrant, rich scene. I'm currently I'm raising two little kids, 154 00:06:41,519 --> 00:06:46,680 so I'm kind of not in the scene anymore. Okay, Yeah, 155 00:06:47,079 --> 00:06:49,519 I'm mainly just recording and playing shows these days. 156 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,439 Speaker 2: But I mean there's those kids are still there. 157 00:06:51,319 --> 00:06:53,759 Speaker 4: On there messing stuff up and breaking things in the. 158 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:58,399 Speaker 2: Right way they're supposed to do, and God bless them. 159 00:06:58,439 --> 00:06:58,639 You know. 160 00:06:58,879 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're only You're only in your in twenties for 161 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,920 a short amount of time. So out there and find 162 00:07:03,959 --> 00:07:06,319 out who you are and make your name, you know, 163 00:07:06,439 --> 00:07:07,800 find out who you are and do your thing. 164 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,439 Speaker 2: So yeah, man, music is in Atlanta's. 165 00:07:11,959 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 4: It's very important. Don here does Yeah, and a lot 166 00:07:14,839 --> 00:07:16,399 of a lot of people in the world listen to 167 00:07:16,399 --> 00:07:18,920 Atlanta musicians. They may not even know it, but right 168 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:21,639 and in Atlanta's cool because it sucks. It sucks everyone 169 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,399 in from a uh you know, you could say, there's 170 00:07:24,439 --> 00:07:28,279 a there's a cup around the math of Atlanta. And 171 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,720 if you didn't move to Nashville, you came to Atlanta. 172 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,199 You know, if you're in the Midwest, you go to 173 00:07:32,279 --> 00:07:36,879 Chicago or Nashville, but everyone in the South coalesces into Atlanta. 174 00:07:37,439 --> 00:07:38,199 Speaker 2: I was the same way. 175 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 4: I was a suburban kid. I didn't grow up in Atlanta. 176 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,920 I moved down to Atlanta to be cool and be 177 00:07:43,079 --> 00:07:45,720 seen C and BC and et cetera. 178 00:07:45,959 --> 00:07:49,839 Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, so yeah, Atlanta, Atlanta. Love Atlanta. 179 00:07:50,519 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, where you're you're up in New Hampshire. 180 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 3: We're in New Hampshire. 181 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, Manchester, New Hampshire where it's a little little chillier 182 00:07:58,759 --> 00:07:59,000 by a. 183 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 4: Bear in the white mountains of New Hampshire. 184 00:08:01,519 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: When I was thirteen, Okay, please please sell, please, yeah, 185 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:07,920 please tell that story because I'm very, very interested to 186 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:08,240 hear this. 187 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 3: Yikes. 188 00:08:09,879 --> 00:08:10,279 Speaker 2: My dad. 189 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 4: My dad was like, I got a man, this boy 190 00:08:12,079 --> 00:08:14,759 up and was like he was in New Jersey my 191 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:15,240 whole life. 192 00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like a man, this boy up. 193 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 4: Take him out of the mountains. So we go hiking. 194 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,199 It's like six days and I'm like the most tenderfooted 195 00:08:23,279 --> 00:08:24,040 person you ever met. 196 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,319 Speaker 2: I'm so soft and so you know, I'm. 197 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 4: Like a mess the whole time. We have a water filter. 198 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,080 We've got this try free food. We're like legit camping, right, yeah, 199 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,320 and so on, like the sixth day we land at 200 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,720 this free walled cabin and I'll just never forget. It 201 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:40,799 was the White Mountains of New Hampshire, god knows where. 202 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:45,200 I guess that means something to you, yeah and or yeah. 203 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,279 So anyway, this bear named Brutus was a black bear 204 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,200 and there was a little polaroid of him above this clipboard. 205 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,480 And I imagine the clipboard was there just to kind of, oh, 206 00:08:53,639 --> 00:08:55,480 you could leave a note for someone that you saw. 207 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,879 Oh hey, I remember, I remember specific like Jim I 208 00:08:58,919 --> 00:09:02,480 beat you summer ninety five. Oh, yeah, you know whatever. Yeah, 209 00:09:02,519 --> 00:09:04,840 And then I saw things there's no Brutus. 210 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 2: Good. Oh, I was like, what does that mean. I 211 00:09:07,919 --> 00:09:08,240 look up. 212 00:09:08,279 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 4: There's a picture of a black bear and there's a 213 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,440 little note saying this is Brutus. He's the predominant black 214 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,919 bear in this area. He's never hurt anyone, don't see him. 215 00:09:16,159 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 2: YadA, YadA, YadA. 216 00:09:17,399 --> 00:09:20,279 Speaker 4: Later that day he chased three campers up onto that 217 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,639 three walled cabin I mentioned earlier, and then he came 218 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:26,159 right into our campsite ate our lemonade, chased me into 219 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,039 a tent almost collapsed the tent. My Dad's trying to 220 00:09:30,039 --> 00:09:31,960 scare him off with these two little pots he brought 221 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:32,600 to boil water. 222 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I've never camped since, not once. 223 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 3: Wow, that's intense. 224 00:09:38,279 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it was really intense. 225 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 4: And the way I look at it now is like 226 00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:46,960 the bears, like they live in the woods, that's there Atlanta. Yeah, 227 00:09:47,039 --> 00:09:50,120 they get that, Like I don't. I don't go there anymore. 228 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,879 Like that's theirs and they they deserve it, they should 229 00:09:52,919 --> 00:09:55,399 have that. And I don't go there anymore, exact because 230 00:09:55,399 --> 00:09:57,840 I don't want to travel with a gun. I ain't 231 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,039 gonna get eaten by bear. 232 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: No. 233 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 3: I like that. I can kind of relate. 234 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: I mean, I've never had an intense experience like that, 235 00:10:04,759 --> 00:10:06,759 But the lack of interest in camping I can relate to. 236 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,759 I grew up here, but I've never But people are 237 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:11,840 surprised when I tell them this. I've never been camping 238 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:15,080 in my life, and I'm never going to go. I 239 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:16,799 don't want to go out. I don't want to be 240 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:18,919 in the woods. I don't want to I don't want 241 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:21,080 to risk encountering something that could eat me. 242 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 2: Uh. 243 00:10:22,039 --> 00:10:25,039 Speaker 3: I'm terrified of deer ticks. Deer. You know, deer ticks 244 00:10:25,039 --> 00:10:25,639 are very common. 245 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you don't want that lime disease, man. 246 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 3: No way exactly. Oh, I've I know so many. 247 00:10:30,799 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: I've met so many people who have lime disease because 248 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,600 they went out in the woods and came into contact 249 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:35,200 with a deer tick. 250 00:10:35,639 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. So I'm with you on that. 251 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:38,519 Speaker 2: Yeah. 252 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:41,519 Speaker 4: No, I like hot showers and uh you know, like 253 00:10:41,639 --> 00:10:42,320 take out food. 254 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, concrete and steel, concrete and steel, That's 255 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:47,120 that's the way to go. 256 00:10:48,799 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 4: But I will say this, I do recall the White 257 00:10:51,399 --> 00:10:54,559 Mountains being of New Hampshire if I refer to it. 258 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 3: Oh, very much. So. 259 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was absolutely beautiful. 260 00:10:59,039 --> 00:11:03,519 Speaker 2: But there's there's yeah, brutish. I wonder British is still alive. 261 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:05,360 I don't know. I mean this is like like thirty 262 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:05,799 years ago. 263 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,039 Speaker 4: Man, I don't know how long it was thirty years ago. 264 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: It was nineteen ninety five. Man. 265 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: Oh, just be just be careful with the We're on 266 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,200 FM terrestrial radio, so just be careful with what you say. 267 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 3: Oh that's okay. 268 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: We're on an eight second delay. So I caught it, no, 269 00:11:19,159 --> 00:11:23,440 no problem, but yeah, got you yeah yeah, but uh yeah, 270 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,039 so I don't yeah, I don't go into the woods. 271 00:11:25,039 --> 00:11:28,200 But did you always did you always live in Atlanta 272 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:29,759 or did you live anywhere else in the US at 273 00:11:29,799 --> 00:11:30,240 any point? 274 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 2: I was born in Texas. 275 00:11:32,519 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 3: I went to Texas. 276 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:35,279 Speaker 4: My mother and father split when I was one, so 277 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,600 my dad moved in Jersey. My mom moved to Atlanta, 278 00:11:37,639 --> 00:11:39,120 where she had like a family. 279 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:39,879 Speaker 3: Yeah. 280 00:11:39,919 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 4: So I was either in Atlanta or New Jersey my 281 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,240 whole life, Okay, but mainly Atlanta. Did all my schooling 282 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,399 down here, so I consider myself with Georgia. 283 00:11:47,399 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 3: Boy, gotcha? Gotcha? Now? 284 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: So what is you know, you've got multiple projects going. 285 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,200 Is there one that's kind of the biggest priority for 286 00:11:55,279 --> 00:11:58,039 you right now? Is that the Kyle Gordon project? Or 287 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:00,120 I mean, you know, because you've got Mama Bear and 288 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,240 you've got Anthems, and I mean it sounds like you're 289 00:12:02,279 --> 00:12:02,759 doing a lot. 290 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 3: Is there a hierarchy to priorities? 291 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 2: Is the most important to me? 292 00:12:06,519 --> 00:12:06,799 Speaker 3: Okay? 293 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? 294 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:09,039 Speaker 4: Anthems is the most important because it's a it's a 295 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,200 it's a functioning band. 296 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 3: Yeah. 297 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,639 Speaker 4: The you know, there's four of us. We were all 298 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,559 writing for it, like we all creator and parts for it. 299 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,240 Whereas like Mama Bear is Mama Bear. I created Mama 300 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:25,639 Bear in twenty thirteen after yet another one of my 301 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,399 bands I believe in broke up, right, Oh, and that 302 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,399 back then there wasn't internet radio, if you you know, 303 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,039 if you didn't other than my Space in early Facebook, 304 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,440 you know. So these bands, I'd be in this band 305 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,679 for two years, we'd make an album that we all 306 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,919 really believed in. It was frankly really good because I 307 00:12:45,279 --> 00:12:49,039 have I like to think of myself as artistically intell like, 308 00:12:49,039 --> 00:12:51,399 and there's integrity in it. Like I'm not just banging 309 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,440 out stuff to be heard, because that's not the point, 310 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,679 like I want to. I want to enjoy it myself, right, So, 311 00:12:57,399 --> 00:12:59,639 like I'd make an album with these guys and then 312 00:12:59,639 --> 00:13:01,200 the band would break up and it was like it 313 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,679 never happened. And so after a while, after like the 314 00:13:04,759 --> 00:13:07,200 third band breaking up, and this is like seven eight 315 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:08,440 years of my life, I was like, you know what, 316 00:13:08,519 --> 00:13:11,600 I'm just gonna make now by myself the way I 317 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,600 want because I can play every instrument to some degree already. 318 00:13:14,799 --> 00:13:19,000 So I formed Mama Bear to just be an outlet 319 00:13:19,039 --> 00:13:22,919 for my songs. Yeah, And the reason I chose Mama 320 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:28,120 Bear was because it's a it's a word or a 321 00:13:28,159 --> 00:13:31,440 phrase in the lexicon of every Western speaking person. Everyone's 322 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,679 heard the term mama bear. It was easy to remember. 323 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,799 And then two it was also kind of cheeky and 324 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,080 sarcastic because I'm not making soft music right so I 325 00:13:40,759 --> 00:13:42,559 but I also think it was kind of it kind 326 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,320 of worked against me too, because like even my father 327 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,360 would be like, there's a terrible name. I'm like, you 328 00:13:47,399 --> 00:13:50,799 just don't get it. But so anthems means the most 329 00:13:50,799 --> 00:13:53,480 to me because it's a it's a functioning, living organism 330 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,080 where Mama Bear. 331 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 2: I haven't really recorded. 332 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,639 Speaker 4: Anything under the name of Mama Bear since I got 333 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:02,679 back from England and twenty three and so the Kyle 334 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,320 Gordon project is kind of I'm just like, I've been 335 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,399 sitting on these songs for a little while because I 336 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,039 really liked them and I wanted to do it right. 337 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,440 I wanted to promote them correctly, and I hooked up 338 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,559 with some people in Wales, Ian and Ange of we believe. Yes, 339 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,759 they're a husband wife's team and they are just the 340 00:14:21,919 --> 00:14:25,519 salt of the earth's best people. Ian's Ian's one of 341 00:14:25,519 --> 00:14:28,600 my best friends in the whole world, and they're they're 342 00:14:28,639 --> 00:14:30,200 the one the reason you and I are talking is 343 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:30,799 because of them. 344 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 345 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,399 Speaker 4: So they They've been a huge Mama Bear fan. They've 346 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,840 toured me around the UK twice and then they hooked 347 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,799 me up with Big pr which hooked me up with you. 348 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: So I'm just I'm just. 349 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 4: Thankful, man, Like I just I don't even remember your question. 350 00:14:47,759 --> 00:14:49,320 I think I've just been wandering off. 351 00:14:49,519 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 3: No, that's my words. No, that's okay. 352 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:51,879 Speaker 2: No. 353 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,679 Speaker 1: I was curious if there was a sort of a 354 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,919 priority or a hierarchy in terms of what is most 355 00:14:57,039 --> 00:14:58,120 most important right now. 356 00:14:58,159 --> 00:15:00,159 Speaker 2: But I just thought. 357 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,039 Speaker 4: On the success if I get me. You know, all 358 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,279 the projects have something cool about them. Yeah, and I 359 00:15:06,279 --> 00:15:09,240 believe in all three of them. And the Kyle Warden 360 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:13,200 project is is the newest in terms of just like 361 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:16,279 in my world, the sexy thing because it's new and 362 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:19,919 outside of my wheelhouse. But one thing, I want to 363 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,320 make a piano album next. Really, I think that'd be 364 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,960 really fun. Yeah, make like a piano like Sunday Afternoon music. 365 00:15:27,399 --> 00:15:29,559 And then I met this guy that plays really awesome 366 00:15:29,639 --> 00:15:32,720 jazz in Atlanta and I were kind of messing around, like, Okay, 367 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:33,600 I got to make a job. 368 00:15:35,559 --> 00:15:36,799 Speaker 2: It's just while I'm alive. 369 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 4: I want to make as much music as I can 370 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:39,679 before I'm gone. 371 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good policy, definitely. 372 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, I get I get morbid like that. I'm like, no, 373 00:15:45,919 --> 00:15:46,840 I got this idea in my head. 374 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,159 Speaker 4: I got to get it out. What if I die? 375 00:15:48,279 --> 00:15:50,399 You know, I just it may not be the best 376 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,039 idea in the world, but I believe. I believe in 377 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:53,879 it's that girl, that's beautiful. 378 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: I'll be done in that. 379 00:15:54,919 --> 00:15:58,679 Speaker 3: Okay, that's okay, no worries. 380 00:15:58,799 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: I'm curious, what was your first instrument, because you mentioned, 381 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,120 because obviously you play multiple instruments. 382 00:16:03,159 --> 00:16:03,879 Speaker 3: What did you start with? 383 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 4: I started with the trumpet in really sixth grade class, 384 00:16:10,159 --> 00:16:13,559 and I wasn't I wasn't inspired or very good. It's 385 00:16:13,559 --> 00:16:14,559 just it was what I started with. 386 00:16:14,879 --> 00:16:15,039 Speaker 2: Yeah. 387 00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 4: I grew up listening to music with my mother, and 388 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:21,759 I remember, like it's. 389 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: Kinda step outside. 390 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 4: I remember like listening to music with her, and you know, 391 00:16:25,879 --> 00:16:28,039 now we call it the hook or whatever that part 392 00:16:28,039 --> 00:16:31,279 of the song is they grab you. I remember as 393 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:34,519 a little kid, I I couldn't wrap my head around music, 394 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,279 and whenever the songs felt really good, I would I'd 395 00:16:40,279 --> 00:16:43,639 feel it really deep, and I asked my mom, what 396 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,879 is that? Why does that feel so good. Yeah, and 397 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,440 I thought that every song utilized the same thing. Oh, 398 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,679 it's just that feel good part. So I think music 399 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:56,200 just kind of struck me like it was intriguing. I 400 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:02,840 couldn't wrap my head around it, and in particular twelve Silverhammer, 401 00:17:03,919 --> 00:17:05,400 when I would listen to that song as a kid, 402 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,640 I was like, this sounds like a cartoon. It sounds like, 403 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:14,200 you know, like Saturday morning cartoon music. And so, you know, 404 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:19,160 just just this idea that something you can't hold, taste, 405 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,640 feel or see it has such an impact on you, 406 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:28,400 like never really left me. Yeah, And eventually, I guess 407 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,559 I started playing trumpet just as an extracurricular thing from school. 408 00:17:31,559 --> 00:17:33,400 It wasn't like, oh, I'm going to be the neck 409 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,359 where the big trumpet guy is at showing my ignorance 410 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,279 right now. It wasn't like that. It's more like something 411 00:17:39,279 --> 00:17:43,839 to do. But my my real first instrument was a guitar, 412 00:17:44,039 --> 00:17:48,880 like every other jerkey, just figuring it out. And I 413 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,799 was terrible for a long time, and to this day 414 00:17:52,839 --> 00:17:56,720 I'm just I'm kind of okay at it. It's insane 415 00:17:56,759 --> 00:17:59,400 how I've been playing guitar for a million years now 416 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,519 and I'm i consider myself a very middle guitar player. 417 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:05,880 I don't make it scream. 418 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 2: That ain't my job. 419 00:18:07,279 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 4: My job is to I was always really intrigued with 420 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,279 the songwriter of the band. You know, it wasn't the 421 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,160 it wasn't the front man, or it wasn't the good 422 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,680 looking girl that could sell it, which God bless her, 423 00:18:18,799 --> 00:18:21,799 we need her, we need him. But I was always intrigued, 424 00:18:21,839 --> 00:18:25,319 Like I love Oasis, but I'm the no guy, Okay, 425 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,400 who wrote the song that makes you, that changed your world? 426 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,799 Forget who sung it, but who wrote it. I'm a 427 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:34,640 big I'm a big fan of the writer of the bands. 428 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that makes sense. That makes sense. 429 00:18:37,799 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: And then so you also play it turns me on 430 00:18:39,759 --> 00:18:42,440 you mentioned too, you play drums, and I assume you 431 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:43,079 play bass. 432 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I play all I play all that. 433 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 3: And keyboard, I assume, right, yes I do. 434 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:49,839 Speaker 2: I bought it. 435 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 4: I didn't buy I got a piano off Craigslist about 436 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,039 three years ago. It's simering my sun room. I sit 437 00:18:55,079 --> 00:18:58,119 around and I'm yeah, and I knew how to play, 438 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,359 you know, first position major and minor chords, up and 439 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,680 down the keyboards because it's just twelve notes, right. But 440 00:19:04,759 --> 00:19:07,519 now I'm learning second third position. I'm trying to get 441 00:19:07,559 --> 00:19:09,839 some separation between my right and my left hands. 442 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:10,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, I go. 443 00:19:12,039 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 4: While they had their hand go. And so I'm trying 444 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,240 to learn all that and it's a lot of fun. 445 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,519 I love to just sit there and tinker on the piano. 446 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 2: It is. 447 00:19:20,759 --> 00:19:21,839 Speaker 4: It is very liberating. 448 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: I've heard so many, uh so many music professors and 449 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,880 instructors say that whether you're just starting out or whether 450 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,079 you already play other instruments, you know, being at least 451 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,680 somewhat proficient on the keyboard will help you with literally 452 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,000 everything else that you play. 453 00:19:38,599 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 4: Oh dude, Yeah, Well it's so linear, you know, like 454 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,000 with the guitar, it's slightly metaphorical. You've got half steps 455 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:46,119 as a. 456 00:19:46,039 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 2: Fret, whole steps, two frets. 457 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,759 Speaker 4: Okay, my mind's already kind of bobbled by that, and 458 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:52,599 then the B string is half step off, so then 459 00:19:52,599 --> 00:19:54,799 you got that one key little string. Now the keyboard 460 00:19:54,839 --> 00:19:58,559 it's just ABC des all the way down the line, repeat, repeat, repeat, 461 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,920 And so yeah, it's very linear. And when I play 462 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,880 the piano, I play it much differently than I played 463 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,400 the guitar. Yeah, and it's just because I've developed the 464 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,160 style of the guitar, and so now I'm trying to 465 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,319 figure out what's my style on the piano. Yes, and 466 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,839 it's intriguing and it's fun, and I wish I had 467 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,160 learned twenty years ago. 468 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 2: I had taken it. 469 00:20:17,319 --> 00:20:20,799 Speaker 4: Way more seriously, because I'm way more artistic on the 470 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:23,200 piano than I'm on a guitar. Okay, So, but the 471 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,559 good news is I hopefully I still got some life 472 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,640 left in me and we'll get something out of it. 473 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: Sooner or later. 474 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 4: I said I want to make a piano album. I'm 475 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,519 just I got to learn how to play the piano. 476 00:20:33,079 --> 00:20:35,599 Speaker 3: Right, right, of course, of course. 477 00:20:36,799 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 4: I guess I got to learn to walk before I've run. 478 00:20:39,839 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 3: Now, what is the So you mentioned an album? 479 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: So you're going to do a full album of Kyle 480 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,200 Gordon of that project specifically. 481 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 2: Okay, it's already made. It's done. 482 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,319 Speaker 3: Oh, it's done. Can Oh excellent? 483 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 4: Do you have any kind of an I'm going to 484 00:20:53,519 --> 00:20:55,039 put out each song individually. 485 00:20:55,279 --> 00:20:55,559 Speaker 3: Oh. 486 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,319 Speaker 4: I don't know if you're aware of this, but people 487 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,400 don't buy music anymore, so I'm just going to put 488 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,319 out singles and then eventually I'll just put them all 489 00:21:04,319 --> 00:21:07,039 out under the name, under a name, and the goal 490 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,640 is to get back in the studio. I've already got 491 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,640 a my buddy, and I've already got a follow up song, 492 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,640 a couple of follow up songs to the album. So 493 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:21,960 it's mainly just like governing what project gets what very 494 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,200 few finances I have at the time. Sure, and as 495 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,319 of right now, Anthems is a functioning band. We just 496 00:21:28,319 --> 00:21:32,319 played a show last week. They went really well and 497 00:21:32,319 --> 00:21:35,720 and uh we're recording that, so kind of like my my, 498 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,279 what I have financially right now is going into Anthems. 499 00:21:38,599 --> 00:21:42,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, understood, understood, But uh, but I do look 500 00:21:42,279 --> 00:21:44,200 forward to hearing more of the well, I'll check out 501 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:45,559 the other stuff too, but I look forward to hearing 502 00:21:45,559 --> 00:21:47,720 more of of the Kyle Gordon project. 503 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 504 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 4: Man, it's it's I mean, I really believe in it, dude. 505 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,640 I've been sitting on it for a few years because 506 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,839 I've wanted to. Uh, I wanted to be in a 507 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,319 mental place where I could just focus on it. And 508 00:21:59,599 --> 00:22:01,559 I guess it doesn't make much sense, but what I 509 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,359 mean is, uh, like I just knew I had something 510 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,960 kind of cool and different, and I'm not And to 511 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,160 answer your question earlier, I'm not playing it live because 512 00:22:13,759 --> 00:22:17,640 I would need like eight people, you know, to reproduce 513 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,440 that sound on stage. So I have done a few 514 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,039 solo Kyle Gordon shows where I just show up with 515 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:26,480 an electric guitar and I was saying and all that, Yeah, and. 516 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 2: It's cool, it's cool. 517 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,559 Speaker 4: But I'm not like a I'm not like a super 518 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,200 stellar solo guy. 519 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 2: You know. 520 00:22:31,559 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 4: I have a lot of respect for Ed Sheeran. For example. 521 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,799 I don't like his music, but damn if I don't 522 00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:38,359 respect darn if I don't respect him. 523 00:22:38,279 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 2: Like. 524 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 4: I could say the D word, that was okay, so 525 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,359 because yeah, he can sell it. 526 00:22:46,839 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 2: I don't like what he's saying. 527 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,519 Speaker 4: But but man, I got respect because I've tried to 528 00:22:50,519 --> 00:22:53,119 do it and it ain't easy. So yeah, it's not 529 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,599 my bread and butter. I'm much better with an ensemble. 530 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,319 I can lean into stronger musicians than myself. In fact, 531 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,839 I have a maxim and it's if I'm on stage, 532 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,759 I have to be the least talented person, and if 533 00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:06,839 I'm the least talented person on stage, We're gonna have 534 00:23:06,839 --> 00:23:07,480 a great show. 535 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,759 Speaker 3: There you go. I like that. I like that a lot. 536 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: And by the way, I agree with you on Ed share, 537 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:12,759 and I feel the same way about him. You know, 538 00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:15,160 I respect him. I respect the hell out of him. 539 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,640 You can say hell too, but uh but I don't. 540 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:19,799 Speaker 3: But I don't know. 541 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:20,839 Speaker 2: I don't like what he says. 542 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 4: But yeah him, if he's not really good at doing it. 543 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,200 I don't buy into the whole Oh he's not cool. 544 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,720 I mean screw that stuff. 545 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 2: Like, I don't. 546 00:23:29,519 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 4: I dipped out on that whole like cool scene a 547 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,359 long time ago, because cool just means insecure, you know, 548 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,799 it just means you're so insecure. You're gonna let everyone 549 00:23:38,839 --> 00:23:40,440 know how insecure you. 550 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:40,599 Speaker 2: So. 551 00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 4: Let Ed Sharon be Ed, whatever the hell's name is. 552 00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:47,240 Let him be him. He's not in your way, he's 553 00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:50,599 not hurting you. He's just crushing his short life. You 554 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,079 have a problem with that because you have a problem 555 00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:53,680 with yourself whatever. 556 00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:56,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, well said, I agree. 557 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 4: I don't care about the cool stuff like that. To me, 558 00:23:59,599 --> 00:24:03,400 it's I've got two kids right now, and they're very young. 559 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,440 They don't understand anything I say yet, but I'm teaching 560 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:12,400 them that like cool is actually just understanding quiet wisdom 561 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,839 and acceptance. That's what makes you cool. Not saying a 562 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,119 bad word because you think bad. 563 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 2: Words are cool, big kids say bad word. 564 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:20,799 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like, I know, I'm kind 565 00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:23,200 of breaking it down, But it's the same with music 566 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,880 and the whole identity people put into music. I feel 567 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:29,880 kind of diminishes the power of the music. Like forget 568 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,240 your suit. You know, Oh you're a metal guy, so 569 00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:34,960 you dress like a metal guy. Okay, cool, I get it. 570 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,200 What you only listen to metal or this or that? 571 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 2: And right? You know? 572 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,519 Speaker 4: And another reason I really don't like pop is because 573 00:24:41,559 --> 00:24:47,000 it's so unreal. No one's cool. Everyone, everyone smells bad, 574 00:24:47,079 --> 00:24:49,720 everyone wakes up feeling weird, like no one is cool. 575 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:50,039 Speaker 2: Right. 576 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 4: This image we're pushed on with pop music and the 577 00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:57,839 sleek side of music is so false and so fake. 578 00:24:58,079 --> 00:25:01,319 Speaker 3: Sure, so absolutely, yeah, Okay. 579 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 4: I'm gonna get off my soapbox. I'm sorry. 580 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 3: No, No, it's good though. No, No, it's good though. 581 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:05,160 I like. 582 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: I like what you're saying. Absolutely In terms of in 583 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,000 terms of the Kyle Gordon project, I mean, are you 584 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,599 does is there an image that will that will take 585 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:17,200 shape with this. 586 00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 3: Or or or are you? 587 00:25:20,039 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: Are you just completely not worried about that part and 588 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,799 it's more just about just putting out the songs putting 589 00:25:24,839 --> 00:25:25,440 out the music. 590 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 4: Okay, when I heard your question, what I heard was 591 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,119 I I pictured like, am I gonna go full Zeggy 592 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,799 Star does this? Or something like I don't have any plans. Yeah, 593 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,359 Like at this point, I'm very comfortable with who I am. Yeah, 594 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:46,079 I'm a very flawed person, and I bring those flaws 595 00:25:46,079 --> 00:25:48,079 onto the stage. Yeah, and I think that's what makes 596 00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:49,200 me relatable. 597 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:49,599 Speaker 3: Yeah. 598 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, And so no, I don't really have any plans 599 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,400 with the Kyle Gordon project because I'm not even sure 600 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,079 it's ever getting heard, you know what I mean, Like 601 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,680 at this point, like I stopped making music videos about 602 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,119 five years ago, really says for one, yeah, I for one, 603 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,039 I hate making them. Two it's a lot of work, 604 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:13,160 a lot of time. And then three, no one really cares. 605 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,839 Speaker 2: And that's fine, Like, you know, I get it. 606 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,519 Speaker 4: You know, they upload like seven million things a day 607 00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:20,200 on YouTube. We're just going to get lost of that. 608 00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:23,480 And if you're not willing to give a billionaire a 609 00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:25,559 few extra bucks, you're just going to get buried in 610 00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:27,359 the UK. And then so once I realized that there's 611 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,920 a gatekeeper society with music, it's all been monetized to 612 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,160 the point where you can't even do anything anymore. No, 613 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:37,799 I don't have any projects and any idea on how 614 00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:39,640 I'm gonna sell this thing other than the fact that 615 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,400 I'm just going to slap my face on it and 616 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:46,599 be honest. Yeah, I've got a really good friend named 617 00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:51,519 Ben Underwood that lives in Asheville, North Carolina, and he 618 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,480 makes the most delicious creative collages. Like the stuff he 619 00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:58,960 comes up with is so cool, and he's been so 620 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,799 nice to create two covers for me. Yeah, I just 621 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:06,039 send them a batch of like selfies I took, oh 622 00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:09,640 my hair looks good today clip, So I send him 623 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,359 that and he just slaps my face onto one of 624 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,000 his collages. And that's what she chose me as one 625 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:19,720 of his collages. And yeah, so in terms of the presentation, 626 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,759 I'm gonna go with that kind of look. Yeah man, No, 627 00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:27,920 no star in the eye. I'm not gonna stuff as 628 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,960 stock in my pants. I'm just gonna go out and 629 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,759 and I don't even have any plans to play it live. 630 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,599 It's who want to and there's a demand, then I'll 631 00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:42,759 figure that out. But you know, like, uh, the like 632 00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:45,400 she chose me as actually getting more radio play than 633 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,680 I've gotten in years, but my day to day hasn't 634 00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:50,240 changed in the least, you know. I mean, like, yeah, 635 00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:54,160 it's it's it's still just a wonderful It's Saturday, right, 636 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,039 It's a wonderful Saturday, you know, And so if something 637 00:27:58,079 --> 00:27:59,319 comes of it, then you know, I'll put a little 638 00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:02,440 more effort into it. But yeah, in terms of the 639 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,759 way I look at it is I just I really 640 00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:06,400 want to make a follow up to it, to be 641 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,240 honest with you. Yeah, so right now I'm just kind 642 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,160 of like writing songs with anthems, coming up with ideas 643 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,039 of my own, and just kind of dreaming. 644 00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 2: You know. 645 00:28:16,599 --> 00:28:18,839 Speaker 4: This is like the this is the part where things 646 00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:21,599 are slow and you're just kind of figuring out what's next. Sure, 647 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,839 and then get in the studio and then that's the 648 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,319 real magic is just watching a song evolve in the studio. 649 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,960 Is It is an intoxicating feeling. I've never gotten tired of. 650 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,039 Speaker 1: It's cool that you like that, though, because not everyone does, 651 00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:37,240 you know. I mean a lot of musicians love being 652 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,079 in the studio, but a lot of musicians too, as 653 00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:42,079 as you know, are like, oh, I just want to 654 00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:44,799 be on stage and they and they actually dread being 655 00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:46,440 in the studio, you know, So it's cool that you're 656 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,359 able to embrace that, because not everyone can embrace. 657 00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 2: That kind of like, that's that's your that's your right. 658 00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, it's kind of like camping. 659 00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: You know, not everyone can embrace it, and uh, you 660 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,599 and I do not embrace that, and people think we're 661 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,119 weird for embracing that. 662 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 2: But I've worked with a I work with a really 663 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,000 great guy down here land. 664 00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 4: I mentioned him earlier. His name is Chris Sampson. Yeah, 665 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,799 and he's worked with everyone from the Beach fifty two's 666 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:16,240 to me, and he's very well known. He's extremely talented, 667 00:29:16,519 --> 00:29:19,119 and he's like, he's not gonna lie to you. 668 00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:20,279 Speaker 2: And he and I have known. 669 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,359 Speaker 4: Each other for a long time, so we're very close 670 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,279 friends as well. So when we're recording, he'll be like, 671 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:27,240 that was terrible. You can do better and just shoot 672 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:31,799 it straight at me. And I really have learned to 673 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,119 embrace like the vagueness of the studio. 674 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 675 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 4: The songs I can't stand that I wrote the most 676 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,720 are the ones that I had all planned out and 677 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,359 then I executed them exactly how I planned. 678 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,079 Speaker 2: And then I got exactly what. 679 00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 4: I wanted and I hate it. 680 00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:48,839 Speaker 3: Oh wow. 681 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,079 Speaker 4: So yeah, with the Kyle Gordon project again, we just 682 00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:54,599 came up with a few rules in the beginning. It 683 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,279 was like, for one, we're just going to try it. 684 00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:58,359 We're not going to do anything we've done in the past. Yes, 685 00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:02,480 and that's very liberating. That means I'm no longer tied 686 00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:05,000 to the things that I didn't enjoy in the past, 687 00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:07,440 which opens up the door to all kinds of cool 688 00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:10,400 opportunities and new ideas. Sure, but they never even like, 689 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,200 never even fathomed. So with his push that oh you 690 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:14,920 can do better. 691 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,279 Speaker 2: You can do better or and. 692 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,799 Speaker 4: Then then the happiest one went is like oh yeah, 693 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,039 and he starts getting real excited. I'm like, okay, now 694 00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:23,839 I'm cooking, you know, yeah, and we're going to focus 695 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:24,599 on this thing now. 696 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,319 Speaker 2: So No, I love being in the studio. I love 697 00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:28,240 being on stage. 698 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 4: The one the only thing I don't like about being 699 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,720 a musician is hanging around a venue for like five 700 00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:37,960 hours way into play. Yeah, I hate that stuff. I 701 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:38,640 hate it. I hate it. 702 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 2: I hate it. 703 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 4: I get so bored and it's like the whole hurry 704 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,519 up and wait thing. That's that's one of my least 705 00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:48,400 favorite but when you're on tour, it's a little different 706 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,480 because at least I'm in a place I've never run 707 00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:53,039 at and often or i'm revisiting, I can walk around 708 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:56,400 the neighborhood, you know, like that's great. I love that. 709 00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 3: But no, I can relate though, so I don't play 710 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:00,319 it more. 711 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: But I used to be, you know, I was in 712 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,519 a bunch of bands and whatnot before I decided to 713 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:06,319 focus more on the radio and podcasting part of what 714 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,359 I do. But yeah, I always I used to really 715 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,240 struggle with that when you're when you're waiting for a 716 00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:16,319 really long time to play, it's like it's my. 717 00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:20,799 Speaker 4: Least favorite thing absolutely, especially my own hometown, you know, like, yeah, 718 00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:22,920 it's yeah, so. 719 00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:25,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that's that's to me, the least favorite 720 00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:27,319 for it. But everything else is fun. 721 00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 4: I love the community, I love meeting people. I love 722 00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:34,359 the energy exchange between the crowd and the bands. 723 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,559 Speaker 2: And yeah, dude, it shows me. I didn't. I didn't. 724 00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 4: I had no idea this is gonna be my life. 725 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:43,680 As soon as I got into it, it's you know, 726 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,839 it's the only thing I really stayed on too, you. 727 00:31:46,759 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, well, uh, Kyle, the time goes quickly. 728 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 3: We got to begin to wrap up. 729 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: But before we do, and by the way, at the 730 00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:58,559 end of our conversation, I'm gonna play, I'm gonna cheat 731 00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:02,680 and play she shows me again because I love that song, dude. 732 00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:05,599 Speaker 3: Like I said, it's perfect, It's just perfect. 733 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: But before we do that, let's make sure that I 734 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,119 want our listeners to know where's the best Where are 735 00:32:11,119 --> 00:32:12,720 the best places to go online to keep up with 736 00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:15,200 everything that you're doing, not just the Kyle Gordon project 737 00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:17,640 of course, Anthems and Mama Bear and everything. 738 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, the only, the only, like social media. I really 739 00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:26,079 play with his Instagram, Okay, I don't you can find 740 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,599 all the projects I think across the board you were 741 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,920 streaming on Apple YouTube or all the things Spotify, all 742 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,680 the things. Anthems is spelled A N, T H M 743 00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:39,799 Z okay. 744 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 2: And then Mama Bear. 745 00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:44,079 Speaker 4: I don't know if it's an Atlanta thing, but all 746 00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:46,799 my bands are spelled on purpose. Mama Bear is one 747 00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:49,640 word M A M, M A D E A R. 748 00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:52,480 Okay there because Mama has two m's in it. I 749 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,680 don't care who I'm Southern. I like to put in 750 00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:58,319 extra continents and sounds. So and then Kyle Gordon is 751 00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:02,519 just my name. So you can find me streaming down 752 00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:05,440 the musical rivers on the internet wherever you want to 753 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,640 find me. And then if you want to stay hi 754 00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:11,240 or something, hit me up on Instagram. And I hope 755 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,319 everyone has a great day. And I really appreciate your time. 756 00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 757 00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 4: Sorry for saying the word earlier. 758 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:17,519 Speaker 1: That's okay. Like I said, we're on a delay. It's 759 00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:19,039 not even a big deal. I caught it. It's no 760 00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:21,559 big tru trust me. You are not the first. 761 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 2: It's good. 762 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:25,839 Speaker 3: It's all good, my friend. 763 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 4: I didn't invent the word that cheers. 764 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 2: Man. 765 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 3: There you go, there you go. 766 00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 2: Well. 767 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 4: I really really appreciate your time, man, Yes much. 768 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:32,559 Speaker 3: Thank you, Kyle. 769 00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: We appreciate you joining us. We will definitely do this 770 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,400 in the future. And I can't wait to hear I 771 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,359 can't wait to hear the next uh, the next Kyle 772 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,960 Gordon song. Absolutely, but uh, we'll. 773 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,359 Speaker 2: Let you go. We're gonna hit the today. 774 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,359 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, you got it, my friend. All right, Kyle, 775 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:45,839 take care. 776 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,519 Speaker 4: I have a nice day, everybody take care. 777 00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:50,319 Speaker 3: Ye bye bye. All right. 778 00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: That was the great Kyle Gordon and we're gonna play 779 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,599 this again if you missed it, and if you didn't 780 00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:57,559 miss it, you probably want to hear it again because 781 00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:00,599 it's so good. I love this song he Chose Me 782 00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:01,839 And this is Kyle Gordon