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<v Speaker 1>What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. In

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, we're picking up where we left off with

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<v Speaker 1>Day one. Transcript from the Tyler Robinson prelim hearing. Question Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>are you familiar with the surroundings the buildings around the Amphitheater?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer yes, I am. Question okay, in relationship to this amphitheater,

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<v Speaker 1>this courtyard, where's the Hall of Flags located? Answer? It

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<v Speaker 1>would be directly west of the courtyard. Question okay, is

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<v Speaker 1>it part of the courtyard or is it just off

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<v Speaker 1>the courtyard? Answer? I think it's kind of the courtyard.

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<v Speaker 1>It butts up right against the courtyard, so it'd be

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<v Speaker 1>the west side of the courtyard. Question okay, so the

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<v Speaker 1>west of the courtyard. Is there a walkway across the

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Flags? Answer there is? Question okay, and what no?

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<v Speaker 1>He gets cut off by the officer, an inside one

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<v Speaker 1>and an outside one. Question okay, so what is the

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Flags then? Answer? The Hall of Flags is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a bridge between two buildings, and all

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<v Speaker 1>the flags throughout the world are represented in there, with

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<v Speaker 1>some chairs where people sit down and relax, with windows

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<v Speaker 1>so you can see through all the way to the

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<v Speaker 1>Utah Lake. Question okay. What are those two buildings that

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<v Speaker 1>are connected by this hall of Flags? Answer the Fugal

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<v Speaker 1>Building over to the Science building area. Question okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned the Fugal building. Answer yes, Question where's the

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<v Speaker 1>Fugal Building located in a relationship to the courtyard? Answer

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<v Speaker 1>it's to the south of the courtyard? Question okay? Does

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<v Speaker 1>it run up against the courtyard? Answer? It does? Question

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<v Speaker 1>the building? Okay? What about the Woodbury Business Building? Where's

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<v Speaker 1>that in a relationship to the courtyard? Answer it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of southeast and it runs up right against the courtyard

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<v Speaker 1>also question okay. And in a relationship to the Fugal building,

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<v Speaker 1>where's that Sorensen or excuse me, that business building the

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<v Speaker 1>Woodbury Business Building? Answer? Woodbury Business is right directly east

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<v Speaker 1>of the Fugal Question okay, And what about Sorenson Center?

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<v Speaker 1>Where is that low with respect to this courtyard? Answer?

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<v Speaker 1>The Sorenson Center is going to be kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>northeast of the courtyard. Question okay, does it run again

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<v Speaker 1>up against the courtyard? Answer yes it does. Question okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and where is it in relationship to the business building? Answer?

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<v Speaker 1>Woodbury Business Building is just directly south of Sorenson Question?

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<v Speaker 1>Directly south okay, the LOCI Center. Are you familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>that building? Answer? I am? Question and where is it

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<v Speaker 1>located on campus? Answer? Directly east of the courtyard Amphitheater area.

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<v Speaker 1>Question okay, does it run up to the courtyard the

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<v Speaker 1>low CI Center? Answer no, not really, it doesn't run

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<v Speaker 1>up against it. So the Sorenson Building is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like right between those two. Question okay, in relationship to

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<v Speaker 1>the Sorenson Building. What direction is the LOSI Building? Answer east?

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<v Speaker 1>Question east? Okay? Are you familiar with the LDS Institute

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<v Speaker 1>building on campus? Answer yes, I am. Question where is

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<v Speaker 1>that located? Answer that's going to be located north of

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<v Speaker 1>the Losi Building and just kind of like northeast of

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<v Speaker 1>the courtyard. Question okay, and there's a parking structure next

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<v Speaker 1>to this institute building. Answer there is? Question and where

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<v Speaker 1>is that? Answer that's going to be so you mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>the Institute building, It's going to be north of the

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<v Speaker 1>low CI Center. There's a parking structure that has several

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<v Speaker 1>levels of parking. It's going to be directly west of

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<v Speaker 1>the Institute building. And then they also have a parking structure,

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<v Speaker 1>not parking structure, parking lot to the north across that

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<v Speaker 1>across the road. Question okay, with respect to the parking structure,

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<v Speaker 1>can you describe for the court how one would enter

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<v Speaker 1>this parking structure driving and even walking? How do you

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<v Speaker 1>enter and exit the structure? Answer? So, on the north

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<v Speaker 1>end of the parking structure is Campus Drive. You can

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<v Speaker 1>drive in and exit onto level one, so that's the

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<v Speaker 1>ground level, and then you'd enter if you were driving in,

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<v Speaker 1>we're exiting back out of the campus then goes up

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<v Speaker 1>to level two, and on level two an exit is

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<v Speaker 1>what's called the heat Plant Road. In between the Institute

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<v Speaker 1>building and the garage is a little road and there's

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<v Speaker 1>an exit right there that you can drive out. You

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<v Speaker 1>can also if you were to park there, you could

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<v Speaker 1>walk out right there and exit only where I was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about on the southeast side you can walk out

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<v Speaker 1>there or on the north end of the garage there

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<v Speaker 1>are some stairs that go up all the levels and

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<v Speaker 1>it goes down to the bottom level and across the

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<v Speaker 1>street through a tunnel to the LDS Institute building, and

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<v Speaker 1>then when you pop up on level two you can

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<v Speaker 1>walk over to the Institute building. Question okay, can you

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<v Speaker 1>describe how long of a walk it would have been

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<v Speaker 1>from that parking structure to get to the courtyard on

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<v Speaker 1>campus approximately. Answer a couple of minutes, because when you

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<v Speaker 1>go that far southeast exit, you can walk directly almost

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<v Speaker 1>to the courtyard. You can also walk along the south

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<v Speaker 1>end of the LDS Institute building up towards loc building. Question. Okay, officer,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to turn your t to state exhibit number one.

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<v Speaker 1>It should come up on your monitor there. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>know when you can see it. Answer, I can see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Question and just for staff, let's go ahead and not

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<v Speaker 1>publish it until it's admitted into evidence. So we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to take it off the monitor. But for the witness,

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<v Speaker 1>he should be able to see the exhibit. Judge graph.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fine, so table monitors witness, but not the main monitor.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. All right, mister Grunender, thank you, Thank you. Judge.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see plaintiffs exhibit number one? Officer? Answer? I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Question and do you recognize that exhibit? Answer? Yes, I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Question what is that? Answer? This is an area of

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<v Speaker 1>the building plus the courtyard in the middle of all

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<v Speaker 1>the grassy area, so this is an area of the

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<v Speaker 1>campus at Utah Valley University. Question is it a photograph? Answer? Yes, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>question Okay, are you familiar then with what's depicted in

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<v Speaker 1>this photograph? Answer yes, i am. Question does it fairly

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<v Speaker 1>and accurately portray this area of campus? Answer yes it does.

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<v Speaker 1>Question Okay, can you tell the court what direction the

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<v Speaker 1>camera's facing when this photograph was taken? Answer it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of facing north and a little to the east. Question okay,

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<v Speaker 1>does it depict a number of the buildings that we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about today? Answer yes it does. Question for example,

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<v Speaker 1>the Hall of Flags. Does it show the Hall of Flags?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer yes, it does. Question the walkway of it the

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Flags? What about the Sorenson Center Does it

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<v Speaker 1>show that? Answer yes it does. Question the Woodbury Business Building, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>answer yes it does. Question the Fugal Building Yes. Question

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<v Speaker 1>what about the low C Center? Can you see that

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<v Speaker 1>from this photograph? Answer yes. Question is this photograph a

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<v Speaker 1>fair and accurate depiction of this area of the UVU campus?

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<v Speaker 1>On September tenth, twenty twenty five. Answer yes. Question, Your honor,

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<v Speaker 1>the state offers State Exhibit number one. Kathy Nester jumps in,

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<v Speaker 1>who is a lawyer or one of the lawyers for

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<v Speaker 1>Tyler Robinson? Your honor? We would object a failure to

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<v Speaker 1>lay a foundation for Oh I'm sorry, Judge Graf jumps in.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little bit tricky because that microphone, So she

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<v Speaker 1>gets back to it, your honor, We would object to

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<v Speaker 1>the inability to authenticate. There's not been a foundation laid

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<v Speaker 1>that this officer took this photo can verify when it

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<v Speaker 1>was taken or by whom it was taken, So we

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<v Speaker 1>would object, Judge graph mister Grunader. Grunader, would you like

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<v Speaker 1>us to argue now or approach the bench? Judge graph

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<v Speaker 1>well as it relates to this all your argument, Grunander, Okay, Judge.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, it's very clear, well established law that

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<v Speaker 1>the person who took the photograph is not required to

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<v Speaker 1>be present to lay foundation for it. What's required for

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<v Speaker 1>foundation is that the witness has knowledge of what's depicted

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<v Speaker 1>in the photograph and can testify to its accuracy. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what this officer has done. We laid an

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<v Speaker 1>ample amount of foundation about this area of campus. He's

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed that it depicts this area of campus that was

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<v Speaker 1>previously described. He confirmed the buildings that he can see

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<v Speaker 1>there be also confirmed that it was an accurate depiction.

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<v Speaker 1>On September tenth, twenty twenty five. Judge Graff, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Any further argument, Miss Nestor, Kathy Nester, we did file

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<v Speaker 1>a standing objection at the beginning of the hearing. I

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<v Speaker 1>would just refer to our standing objection as well. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that this is not there's no written testimony in this,

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<v Speaker 1>but just out of an abundance of caution, I would

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<v Speaker 1>also refer to our standing objection. Judge Graf, thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>Miss Nestor. All right, Having considered the arguments, I find

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to overrule the objection and admit exhibit one.

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<v Speaker 1>This witness has firsthand knowledge of the location as well

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<v Speaker 1>as the building locations the foundation has been laid. He

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<v Speaker 1>also stated it was a fair and accurate representation of

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<v Speaker 1>what's being depicted here, and for those reasons, the defense

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<v Speaker 1>objection is overruled. State's Exhibit one is admitted into evidence

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<v Speaker 1>and may be published to the courtroom. Grunader okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>the state would move to publish that to the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 1>Judge grass so granted. Gruner Grunader, Officer Bagley, are you

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<v Speaker 1>able to see the monitor that's here in the court

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<v Speaker 1>that's pointed towards the gallery? Answer? Yeah, question from where

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<v Speaker 1>you're seated. Are you comfortable in describing where the courtyard

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<v Speaker 1>is on that photograph on that exhibit answer yes, question

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<v Speaker 1>and for the record, where's it located? Answer? So all

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<v Speaker 1>the grass it looks like a triangle the amphitheater. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to be the courtyard Amphitheater area. It's got

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<v Speaker 1>the tent in it, the white tent that's at the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom on the far left of the picture. That would

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<v Speaker 1>be the courtyard area that's surrounded by buildings more of

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<v Speaker 1>the grass area. Question I'm going to approach, Well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just going to when you look at the exhibit. To

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<v Speaker 1>the left of the photograph, there's a walkway there. What's

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<v Speaker 1>that walkway? Answer? So the red brick walkway that's going

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<v Speaker 1>north to the top of the picture on the far

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<v Speaker 1>left is going to be the Hall of Flags the

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<v Speaker 1>outside of it. Question okay. And on the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>this photograph there's a white roof building. It's the largest

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<v Speaker 1>building at least as far as what's depicted in this exhibit. Answer, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>question what building is at answer? That would be the

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<v Speaker 1>fugl building question okay. And just to the right of that,

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<v Speaker 1>so that would be the east of the Fugle building.

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<v Speaker 1>What building is at? Answer? The other red brick pathway area,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the Woodbury Business Building. Answer okay. And if I

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<v Speaker 1>were to walk north so left on this photograph with

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<v Speaker 1>respect to that red brick walk way area, there's another

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<v Speaker 1>building sort of a triangular in shape the rooftop. What

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<v Speaker 1>building is at? Answer with the white rooftop, that would

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<v Speaker 1>be the Sowrenson building. Question the Sowarrenson building. And what

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<v Speaker 1>about the Low C building you've described that? Where's that

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<v Speaker 1>located in this photograph? Question? If you go to the

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<v Speaker 1>triangle white roof, if you go directly to the right,

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<v Speaker 1>so the right side of the picture, that is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the Low C building. It's got several levels.

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<v Speaker 1>Question is it to the right and up a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit as well? And he yes? Question okay, And that

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<v Speaker 1>would be east on this photograph. Is that correct? Answer?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not the gravel rooftop. Question, gravel rooftop? Okay. I

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<v Speaker 1>referred you to the LDS Institute building. Are you able

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<v Speaker 1>to see that in the photograph? Answer? Yes you are.

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<v Speaker 1>Question and where is that located? Answer? That's just going

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<v Speaker 1>to be directly north of the Low C building. It's

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<v Speaker 1>We can take that down your honor. As far as

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<v Speaker 1>the publication, Officer Bagley, I'm going to take you back

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<v Speaker 1>to the date of September tenth, twenty twenty five. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you recall that day? Generally? Answer I do. All right, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next

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