1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Are you ready to be uncomfortable? Lust is an uncomfortable 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,080 topic and it's something that we should cover, particularly as 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,000 godly people. Doctor Jared Moore joins me. He will do 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,039 this with the help of Bullwart Capital Management and of 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,000 course God Almighty. 6 00:00:15,039 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 2: The Todd Herman Show is one hundred percent disapproved by 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:26,679 big pharma technocrats in tyrans everywhere from the high Mountains 8 00:00:26,719 --> 00:00:34,719 of Free America. Here's the Emerald City exile Todd Herman. 9 00:00:37,439 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: Today is the day the Lord has made, and these 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,560 are the times through which God has decided we shall live. 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,679 Why would a guy give his career over a godly 12 00:00:45,759 --> 00:00:48,679 man to writing about lust? Doctor Jared Moore joins us. 13 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:50,840 And doctor Moore is a theologian. 14 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:51,399 Speaker 3: He's been a. 15 00:00:51,359 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: Pastor three books, in two of them on the topic 16 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,560 of lust. Doctor Moore, welcome, good devier. 17 00:00:58,159 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 4: Hi Todd, thank you for having me. It's good to 18 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:00,600 be We all. 19 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 3: Good to be with you. 20 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: From all across the country in Tennessee, we're out here 21 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:05,599 in the high Mountains of Free America in North Idaho. 22 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,680 And I guess we're joined together as the Body Christ. 23 00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 3: And that's what matters. 24 00:01:10,359 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: I mean. 25 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 3: So, why you know your your. 26 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: First book is about pop culture parenting, your your second two, 27 00:01:15,879 --> 00:01:17,159 and we'll talk about both of them. 28 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 3: The latest is of workbook. 29 00:01:18,719 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a ministry book on how 30 00:01:20,879 --> 00:01:21,680 to get out of lust. 31 00:01:21,719 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 3: But why choose that topic? 32 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, So back when I was writing my dissertation at Seminary, 33 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,840 you know, a decade ago, you know, I had I 34 00:01:32,879 --> 00:01:35,079 was trying to write on common Grace and the professors 35 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,120 wouldn't approve it. And so after getting rejected for about 36 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,959 a year, I had a friend who was telling telling 37 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,680 me to listen to this guy named Wesley Hill. And 38 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:49,799 Wesley was arguing for a tip of gay Christianity, and 39 00:01:49,799 --> 00:01:51,599 and so I went and listened to him, and I 40 00:01:51,599 --> 00:01:53,959 was like, there's no way this is right. So I 41 00:01:53,959 --> 00:01:56,159 wanted to write a book after Seminary, but I went 42 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,000 ahead and put the outline together, send it to my professor, 43 00:01:59,239 --> 00:02:02,079 and so I wrote a book on concupiscence. 44 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,319 Speaker 3: That's the word slow down, that's HD word. 45 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a just lustful desire. That word in church 46 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,319 church history, like the lust of the flesh, that's that's 47 00:02:13,319 --> 00:02:16,560 the word they used. And and so the lust of 48 00:02:16,599 --> 00:02:19,199 the flesh is actually a lay version of my dissertation 49 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,280 and and so uh I saw second book. 50 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:25,879 Speaker 1: I believe the lust of the flesh first one culture parting. 51 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,680 So that's a lay version of teaching me that word again, concupiskod. 52 00:02:29,719 --> 00:02:31,759 Speaker 4: So how do I say that, concupiscence? 53 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 3: Come concupiscence. 54 00:02:34,039 --> 00:02:35,759 Speaker 1: I'm going to practice that and see it around friends, 55 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,319 just to impress them. 56 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:40,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, if you really like church history, man, 57 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,400 it's all over the place that word is, and it's 58 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,879 just it's just lust, just the lust of the flesh. 59 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,240 And so I wrote that theologically to abut the gay 60 00:02:50,319 --> 00:02:54,159 Christian movement and then luss just to help, you know, 61 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:59,199 brothers and sisters because of the porn epidemic, and basically everyone, 62 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:03,039 most Christian justifying less in their hearts by using language 63 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,319 like you know, it's only seeing if I act on it, 64 00:03:06,479 --> 00:03:09,039 or you know. I had a when I was a teenager. 65 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,560 I had a supervisor tell me he can look at 66 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,080 the menu as long as he don't order. 67 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 3: And that was a professor in. 68 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, it was a it was a I 69 00:03:20,439 --> 00:03:22,479 worked at the feed meal when I was a teenager, okay, 70 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,039 and my supervisor. 71 00:03:24,479 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: Told me that I was so yeah, and and so 72 00:03:28,719 --> 00:03:32,199 you did you really choose it for kind of tactical reasons. 73 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,639 Your other dissertation wasn't getting accepted, or did you feel 74 00:03:35,639 --> 00:03:39,120 a burden Because I feel a burden in terms of 75 00:03:39,159 --> 00:03:43,240 the so called gay gospel, because my belief is that 76 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,759 the churches, the church, I think it's the Evangelical Church, 77 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:50,680 made a horrible error in making same sex activity the 78 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:55,080 special abomination. And you know, there's a lot of things 79 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,719 that Bible calls abomination. But I think what we did 80 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,159 is we looked at ourselves. We allowed same sex attracted 81 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:04,599 people to see our churches and say, okay, so they're 82 00:04:04,719 --> 00:04:08,240 adulterers in there. There are people who commit mental and 83 00:04:08,479 --> 00:04:12,319 in physical adultery. There's there's men using porn, there's people 84 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,079 who cheat in business, there's liars, but we're the ones 85 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,519 not allowed. So I feel a burden for that because 86 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,279 I want them to come back to the church, because 87 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,160 it's only through the blood of Christ that they can 88 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,120 come out of the same sex activity and come out 89 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,319 of that trap and experience the saving grace but also 90 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:31,319 the abiding life. 91 00:04:32,399 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 3: So was it did you. 92 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: Feel personally burdened on that topic or was it quote 93 00:04:37,879 --> 00:04:39,279 just the dissertation. 94 00:04:40,519 --> 00:04:44,199 Speaker 4: It was a burden for the I was pastoring is 95 00:04:44,199 --> 00:04:49,439 a burden for the church. You know, there there are 96 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,079 Christians like Wesley Hugh where they they argue for this 97 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,920 gay celibacy. They adopt the Freudian sexual orientation language that 98 00:04:59,319 --> 00:05:01,399 they're gay, they' always be gay, and so they want 99 00:05:01,439 --> 00:05:05,040 to be a gay Christian. And what I argue from 100 00:05:05,079 --> 00:05:08,680 the scriptures is that there are no gay Christians. There 101 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:13,160 are only heterosexuals, male and females, and all male and 102 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:18,759 females battle sin, battle in dwelling sin. And what you're 103 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:23,360 talking about not making homosexuality a special sin. The church 104 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,800 has done that the opposite way as well today, where 105 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,600 they treat it like it's the only sin you can't 106 00:05:27,639 --> 00:05:30,720 repent from, it's the only sin you can't mortify. And 107 00:05:31,959 --> 00:05:34,680 so what we're seeing, what I'm seeing is a lot 108 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,680 of Christians who've been duped by that. And if they 109 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,399 have those same sex desires, they think they can't get married, 110 00:05:40,959 --> 00:05:46,519 they think they can't have children, and it's just unbiblical. 111 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:48,920 And so I'm trying to help folks, and I've actually 112 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,480 had you know, people who've read my book The Lust 113 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,240 of the Flesh. One man is married to a woman. 114 00:05:56,319 --> 00:05:59,959 Now he lived as a trans I think he was. 115 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:02,000 He was a man claiming to be a girl during 116 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,319 his teenage years, said he was a homosexual and read 117 00:06:06,319 --> 00:06:10,199 my book repented. Well, he repented first and then read 118 00:06:10,199 --> 00:06:13,120 my book. And at the end of my book, I say, 119 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,079 find the godless opposite sex Christian you can and pursue 120 00:06:16,079 --> 00:06:18,199 her for marriage. And that's what he did. And he's 121 00:06:18,199 --> 00:06:23,519 married now. And another guy was listening to Rosari Butterfield. 122 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,839 She recommended my book. He'd lived as a homosexual for 123 00:06:25,879 --> 00:06:29,680 ten years, and he went and read my book. And 124 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,800 now he's getting married to a woman. He invited me 125 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,000 to his wedding. It's dismay And so the Lord is 126 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,120 freeing people. You know, through throughout history, what did Christians 127 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,720 do who had the same sex desire? They repented, They 128 00:06:44,759 --> 00:06:47,560 found the godliest opposite sex Christian they could, They got married, 129 00:06:47,639 --> 00:06:51,639 raised godly children, had godly grandchildren, singing hymns when they 130 00:06:51,639 --> 00:06:57,319 died around them. You know, like, why today are we 131 00:06:57,399 --> 00:07:02,240 telling folks that, you know, they can't repent, that Jesus 132 00:07:02,399 --> 00:07:05,120 can walk out of the tomb, but he can't you know, 133 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,519 change your sexual desires. 134 00:07:07,759 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course there are you know a number 135 00:07:11,199 --> 00:07:13,800 of cases and I've talked to people on this program 136 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,920 who themselves Christ has brought through that that they're no 137 00:07:17,959 --> 00:07:20,439 longer same sex attracted, and then they've trend this to 138 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,199 a ministry to help other people come out of that prison. 139 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,600 Now I will tell you, though, doctor Mary, there are 140 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:30,120 people I belong to a church, real life ministries, and 141 00:07:30,199 --> 00:07:32,480 God has used the church to plan a lot of 142 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,639 churches around the country. We've got four locations up here, 143 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,480 seventeen maybe even twenty thousand members, and it's a very 144 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,680 biblically strict church, and real life means something. You know, 145 00:07:44,759 --> 00:07:48,600 our pastors they confessed the mistakes they've made in life. 146 00:07:49,199 --> 00:07:52,199 I can say that there are people in the church leadership. 147 00:07:52,199 --> 00:07:54,199 I wouldn't say this if my pastor hadn't said it 148 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,879 on the show who to this day are same sex 149 00:07:57,879 --> 00:08:01,720 attracted and they've they've wanted it, they want it gone, 150 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,319 they've prayed for it to go away, and they're single, 151 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:09,279 and they are celibates, and they are absolutely happily celibate, 152 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:13,160 and they have accountability partners on that and it has 153 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,160 just been something that God at this point has not 154 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,680 lifted from them. I think of the apostle Paul and 155 00:08:19,319 --> 00:08:22,160 we are told it was I guess his eyesight, this 156 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:24,360 thorn he wanted to remove, and the Lord said, no, 157 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,720 my grace alone is sufficient. Do you think that God 158 00:08:27,839 --> 00:08:29,279 always rescues people from that? 159 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:35,039 Speaker 4: I think that that's what we should believe. Like I'll 160 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,120 never say, oh, gone, I'm always going to be this way, 161 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,759 or I'm always about any sin in my heart because 162 00:08:43,879 --> 00:08:46,279 part of the Christian life, you know, Paul says that 163 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,679 he's aimed at Christ. He says he's aimed at perfection. 164 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,759 And someone who says, well, I'm always going to be 165 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,679 this way there you can't possibly possibly be aimed at 166 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,159 Jesus in your sanctification, and so you have to aim 167 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:06,279 at Christ and pursue the goal is their goal should 168 00:09:06,279 --> 00:09:09,879 be not to be same sex attracted. And that's the 169 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,399 thing the language of They need to view same sex 170 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,759 attraction not as this ontological like who they are exactly. 171 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:24,080 They need to view it as individual sinful impulses. It's 172 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,120 not who they are. The Bible says in Genesis too, 173 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:28,559 they are male or female and that's all there is. 174 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:35,480 And so they're by definition heterosexual, like according to biology, 175 00:09:34,759 --> 00:09:38,600 Like if a trans person was saved, we would say 176 00:09:39,039 --> 00:09:41,919 if you're born man. Now that you're repenting, you have 177 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,639 to live as a man, right. Well, it is effeminate 178 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:48,919 for a man to desire a man the way that 179 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Eve desired Adam. And so if we would tell someone 180 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,559 who has trans desires that they have to repent of those, 181 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,480 we must tell someone who has homosexual desire that they 182 00:10:00,519 --> 00:10:03,480 have to repent of those. And part of the repentance, 183 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:08,240 like part of the repentance is if you don't have 184 00:10:08,279 --> 00:10:10,279 the gift of singleness. You know, Paul talked about the 185 00:10:10,279 --> 00:10:12,600 gift of singleness, But the gift of singleness is for 186 00:10:12,639 --> 00:10:16,679 the Lord. It has nothing to do with your sexual desires. 187 00:10:17,039 --> 00:10:17,799 Speaker 3: Yep, yep. 188 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 4: And so if someone is saying I'm celibate because of 189 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:27,399 these same sex attractions, they need to repent and pursue 190 00:10:27,759 --> 00:10:30,480 an opposite sex Christian for marriage. That's part of their 191 00:10:30,519 --> 00:10:35,679 sanctification because you start living what God designed you to 192 00:10:35,759 --> 00:10:39,600 do and be, and that helps to sanctify you. You know, 193 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,200 not to be crass, but the marriage bed can help 194 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:44,039 sanctify you. 195 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: So I want to talk about the marriage bed because 196 00:10:46,159 --> 00:10:48,039 this being something up I think is interesting because they 197 00:10:48,039 --> 00:10:49,639 want to make sure that we're bringing terms from the 198 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,320 live chat, rare Verse says, the born this way thing 199 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:55,679 is being called into question given the so called trans issue. 200 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,320 And I agree it is being called into question by 201 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,639 a lot, and for more reasons than that. I say 202 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,639 so called trans because I don't believe anyone's born on 203 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,440 the wrong body. And I just I'm a guy, doctor Moore. 204 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,360 I just refuse to speak the language of the enemy. 205 00:11:09,159 --> 00:11:11,320 So you'll never hear me say trans is if it's 206 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,120 a real thing. As we're talking to doctor Moore here, 207 00:11:14,279 --> 00:11:17,159 remember that's you know, the big business of porn. 208 00:11:17,879 --> 00:11:18,279 Speaker 3: That's it. 209 00:11:18,279 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: It's huge business and it's going to get more big 210 00:11:23,159 --> 00:11:25,919 because of AI. Now part of this, you could look 211 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,159 at this as a blessing, so young women aren't going 212 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,039 to be able to go sell their bodies is easily 213 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:35,360 online anymore. But then again, AI porn, you can't touch it, 214 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:37,879 and it could lead to a whole bunch of women 215 00:11:37,919 --> 00:11:40,120 now having to go out and actually allow men to 216 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,120 touch them. It's one of the big changes is coming 217 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,360 on our economy. We just said, Amazon lay a bunch 218 00:11:45,399 --> 00:11:48,320 of people off another what sixteen thousand human beings, and 219 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,960 this is from white collar stuff in Seattle. AI is 220 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,320 attacking all sectors of economy from people's souls and bodies 221 00:11:54,639 --> 00:11:58,320 to jobs. And don't believe the hype that AI is 222 00:11:58,399 --> 00:12:00,840 not coming for jobs like automate cannicks. You better believe 223 00:12:00,879 --> 00:12:03,759 they're going to build robots in this front. 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Investments involved risk can 241 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,480 not guarantee pastforms, doesn't guarantee future results TRUK twenty. 242 00:12:59,159 --> 00:13:00,279 Speaker 3: Six, dash deerial five. 243 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,639 Speaker 1: So let's get to an agreement on terms. Let's move 244 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,039 beyond same sex attraction. By the way, I'm very glad 245 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:06,679 you agree on this identity front. I think one of 246 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,080 the biggest tricks the devil has pulled is to have 247 00:13:09,159 --> 00:13:12,840 people say I am gay, just as I think it's 248 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,320 a trick to have people say I am black, primary 249 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,919 very thin identity versus I'm creative by God in his 250 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,559 image of love by him. And that's a very strong 251 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,519 way to have an identity. It's a strong, unbreakable identity. 252 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,799 So on the topic of lust general, outside of same 253 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,720 sex attraction, what is lust? 254 00:13:36,159 --> 00:13:40,879 Speaker 4: So lust would be sexual attraction outside of the marriage. 255 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,919 Speaker 3: Bed can can lust in a marriage. 256 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 4: Not towards your spouse? 257 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 3: Now, okay, let me press on this and let me 258 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:52,279 just test this a little bit. 259 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:57,279 Speaker 1: So there are men who become porn addicted, and and 260 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,960 there are cases where men have become so porn addicted 261 00:14:00,519 --> 00:14:03,399 that they insist their wives do things the wife does 262 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:08,039 not want to do, getting on video, uh, doing things 263 00:14:08,039 --> 00:14:11,559 they've seen in porn. Being choked to be blunt's a 264 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,799 big thing in porn. You don't think a man can 265 00:14:15,879 --> 00:14:20,879 be attached to or harassed by a demon of lust 266 00:14:20,919 --> 00:14:21,960 within a marital union. 267 00:14:23,559 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 4: I would say that that would be a perversion of 268 00:14:26,879 --> 00:14:30,559 So if you if lust is sexual traction towards your 269 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:33,639 you know it's not towards your spouse, but towards someone else. 270 00:14:34,759 --> 00:14:38,240 You're meant to be sexually attracted to your spouse, But 271 00:14:38,679 --> 00:14:43,720 those are perversions of the marriage bed. So where you're 272 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:48,559 degrading the other individual, you're you're you're degrading your spouse. 273 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,159 You know what what those people need to do, Those 274 00:14:53,279 --> 00:14:58,759 men and those women need to starve themselves from the 275 00:14:58,879 --> 00:15:01,919 sexual culture. You know, our culture is obsessed with it. 276 00:15:02,679 --> 00:15:06,080 And if you starve yourself for three months, six months, 277 00:15:07,399 --> 00:15:09,799 you know your wife's ankles will turn you on, you know, 278 00:15:09,919 --> 00:15:12,960 like you won't have to. I'm saying like it's what 279 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,759 you know or and by that I just mean I'm 280 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:21,240 thinking like an amish person who's covered complete and you know, 281 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,879 like it's not going to take much. The reason why 282 00:15:23,879 --> 00:15:27,360 it takes so much is because you've ruined your brain 283 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:32,080 and you have to essentially have it rewired by starving yourself. 284 00:15:32,559 --> 00:15:34,039 You know, there are folks who are so addicted to 285 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,919 porn they can't even be aroused by their spouse unless 286 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,639 they do those crazy things that you're mentioning. 287 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,639 Speaker 1: Right, And so you don't think that that's and you 288 00:15:44,759 --> 00:15:50,399 studied this, I've not you draw a delineation between lust 289 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,559 and that that it's a perversion of the marriage badge. 290 00:15:53,039 --> 00:15:54,879 But you are speaking then in the language of if 291 00:15:54,919 --> 00:15:57,480 you're degrading your spouse, causing your spouse, pressuring your spouse 292 00:15:57,519 --> 00:15:59,480 to do things he or she doesn't want to do, 293 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,360 then it's a perversion or degradation of the marriage bad 294 00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:05,840 But you don't think it's driven by lust, that lust 295 00:16:05,879 --> 00:16:07,000 only happens outside of. 296 00:16:06,919 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 4: Marge, Well, just defining the terms. You know, lust is 297 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,559 in the context of sexual morality, like sexual lust, like 298 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:23,720 sexual sexually immoral things that would be a perversion of 299 00:16:23,879 --> 00:16:25,799 the marriage bed So it's still I mean, you could 300 00:16:25,919 --> 00:16:28,879 you could. It's still broadly lust, it's the lust of 301 00:16:28,919 --> 00:16:32,799 the flesh, but as far as calling it sexual lust, 302 00:16:32,879 --> 00:16:35,320 like the way the Bible speaks about sexual lust, yes, 303 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,600 it doesn't talk about that within marriage. Yeah, like like, 304 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,679 so sexual morality is referring to outside the marriage bed. 305 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:50,039 But this, this is a perversion of that. It's still sin, right, 306 00:16:50,039 --> 00:16:53,960 It's still sin from root to fruit. I wouldn't call 307 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,559 it sexual lust. You could call it broadly lust, the 308 00:16:56,679 --> 00:17:00,600 lust of the flesh. But uh A good question. 309 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:04,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah no, And I think it matters because the 310 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,680 sanctification of the mary bad allowing it to continue to 311 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,319 be sanctified. You know, we're individuals, but we're one flush 312 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,160 as well that God clearly gave us sex as a 313 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:17,039 gift in a marital union, and clearly wants it to 314 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:19,400 be pleasurable, and clearly wants it to be bonding. 315 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:21,279 Speaker 3: And this is from the live stream. 316 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:23,799 Speaker 1: By the way, guys, if you're a Subsack subscriber, the 317 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:26,440 Todd Hermerson subsec dot comby can pop into things like this, 318 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,279 Saint wants your sexuality to be your whole identity. Someone 319 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:34,200 said true, and jan Janet Trito wrote back and said, 320 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,119 and to destroy the family. D Craigs Todd. What you're 321 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,559 getting at is the person requiring these acts is still 322 00:17:39,559 --> 00:17:43,640 thinking about what they saw someone else doing lust and 323 00:17:43,799 --> 00:17:46,839 that's right, that's that person. I would think if a 324 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,960 man has become so addicted to porn that he's playing 325 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,839 a porn loop in his mind and then wanting. 326 00:17:51,559 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 3: His wife to play out the role of the. 327 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,319 Speaker 1: Woman he saw committing prostitution, which is what you know, 328 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,519 the production of pornography is some of it. Sometimes it's 329 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,799 a a girl or woman having been trafficked and assaulted, 330 00:18:03,839 --> 00:18:05,079 and he wants that experience. 331 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,519 Speaker 3: To me, I think that comes from to me is demonic. Uh. 332 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:13,759 Speaker 1: And because here's a spooky thing, like I think demons 333 00:18:13,799 --> 00:18:15,279 watch that stuff, but they go, yeah, I do that, 334 00:18:16,079 --> 00:18:17,759 you know, do more of that anything they can to 335 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,279 drive us between us and God. Because I would think 336 00:18:21,319 --> 00:18:23,319 that God, if you're a Christian marriage, you're married to 337 00:18:23,319 --> 00:18:25,720 a Christian woman and you're having your wife act out 338 00:18:25,759 --> 00:18:28,279 something you saw in a vile porn reel, I have 339 00:18:28,319 --> 00:18:29,880 to believe God is saying that, Hey, don't do that 340 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,440 to my daughter. Hey, what are you doing right? Don't 341 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,039 don't do that to my daughter. It can't lead to 342 00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:34,799 good fruits. 343 00:18:34,559 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 3: In a marriage. 344 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 4: No, it can't lead to anything good. Like it's you know, 345 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,519 you again, you need to starve yourself to where your 346 00:18:42,559 --> 00:18:47,359 affection is only for your wife and not for particular 347 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,799 sexual acts that are degrading and wicked. Yeah, you know, 348 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,799 consent has been so exalted too, even if the wife 349 00:18:56,839 --> 00:18:58,839 is into it. And what's what's sad? When I was 350 00:18:58,839 --> 00:19:06,240 writing my dissertation, the greatest you know, perverse desire wasn't 351 00:19:06,559 --> 00:19:10,079 LGBT stuff. It was BDSM. It was like thirty percent 352 00:19:10,079 --> 00:19:14,119 of women desired it in the population. It was insane 353 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,400 when I was reading that, the amount of women who 354 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,599 desired it and then the amount of men who desired it. 355 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's but it veers into violence pretty quick. 356 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:24,599 Speaker 3: I mean it is violent. 357 00:19:25,839 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 4: What it is that the evil one perverts God's design 358 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,839 And so if wives are supposed to submit to their husbands, 359 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:38,519 the perversion of that would be pleasure from pain right 360 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,759 where a domineering thing. And then for men, if men 361 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:45,000 are supposed to lead their wives, the perversion of that 362 00:19:45,079 --> 00:19:47,920 would be to dominate their wives, you know, like the 363 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,759 evil And so it makes sense that in a wicked 364 00:19:50,839 --> 00:19:53,759 world that that would be a yeah, because the devil 365 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,920 quists God's word is true. 366 00:19:56,039 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 3: To distract, depress. 367 00:19:58,079 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: Yes, he can't create anything, he can't experts and joy, 368 00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:03,039 so he he you know, the Lord Jesus would take 369 00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:06,440 an existing thing water and turn it into wine or 370 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,880 you know, little bits of fish and bread and magnify 371 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,839 it and multiple clearly he can create as well. 372 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,599 Speaker 3: Satan can't do that. Satan can't even do the water 373 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:16,279 and the wine thing. 374 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:21,319 Speaker 1: So he distorts and he creates these disortions and depressions 375 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,720 and distractions. So you're now The third book you've written 376 00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:29,039 as a PhD in Systematic theology from the Southern Baptist 377 00:20:29,079 --> 00:20:32,920 Theological Seminary is called Thirty three Days to Freedom from Lust, 378 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,440 a hope filled devotional heart, and I looked at the 379 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,160 heart of a link. There's audiobooks, et cetera. So your 380 00:20:39,279 --> 00:20:42,160 contention is in thirty three days you can help a 381 00:20:42,279 --> 00:20:45,359 man and I guess women too, who are right now 382 00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:49,599 held in the captive captitive captivity of lust. 383 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 3: Get out of that. Yes, okay, absolutely, how does that work? 384 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,319 Speaker 4: So if you have a lust problem you have, or 385 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,799 a porn problem or in you know Barnus, you know poled, 386 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,279 faithful Christians, you know acting Christians. In twenty twenty four, 387 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,119 seventy five percent of men are looking at porn and 388 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:15,279 forty percent of women Christians according to that pole. And 389 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,319 so if you have a porn problem, you have a 390 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,960 love for God problem. And so this the goal of 391 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,240 this is to cultivate love for God, because the more 392 00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:28,160 you love Him, the more you hate sin. It's very 393 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:33,119 difficult to do something you truly hate, right, and so 394 00:21:33,519 --> 00:21:37,079 the thirty three days is to thank God's thoughts after him. 395 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,799 I'm trying to show the beauty of God. The book 396 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,319 starts with magnifying who God is and explaining who he 397 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,440 is and just how amazing he is. And then it 398 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,680 goes from God down to us and the work of 399 00:21:49,759 --> 00:21:53,279 Jesus Christ that you know, God becoming man to save 400 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,119 us is just that beauty. The beauty of that should 401 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,640 draw us from the ugliness of us, you know. One 402 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,920 of the Puritans argued that it's called the it's a 403 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,480 famous sermon. He called it the expulsive power of a 404 00:22:09,519 --> 00:22:13,119 new affection. And so if you're filled with love for God, 405 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,799 it expels the sin from your heart, and so everything 406 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,519 flows out of worship. Right like the Bible starts within 407 00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:23,880 the beginning God, the first command and the Ten Commandments. 408 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,799 Worship God only the two great commands. Love God with 409 00:22:27,839 --> 00:22:30,319 all your heart's soul in mind. And then the inverse 410 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:33,519 of that is Romans one, worship the creature, turn your 411 00:22:33,759 --> 00:22:36,880 sexuality upside down, then dive into all kinds of sin, 412 00:22:37,599 --> 00:22:40,480 right like, But if you're aimed at God and worshiping 413 00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:44,480 him and worshiping Him with your heart, it changes you, 414 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:49,559 right And so that's what I'm seeking to cultivate in 415 00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:53,720 this study. And you know, scientists argued, and I quoted 416 00:22:53,759 --> 00:22:57,039 at the beginning, but they argue that you've probably heard 417 00:22:57,079 --> 00:22:59,119 it takes twenty one days to develop a new habit. 418 00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:03,759 That was the least amount of time. Yeah, and some 419 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:06,799 people it takes two hundred and some days. Sixty six 420 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,200 was kind of the median of that. And so I 421 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,000 did thirty three and then I do catechism questions and 422 00:23:14,039 --> 00:23:17,599 answers at the end that folks can memorize thirty three 423 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,160 days will be enough for some people. 424 00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 3: Okay, good. 425 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: And you know, since I work with young men, it 426 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,319 wouldn't surprise you, because you've been a youth minister and 427 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,359 a youth pastor, it wouldn't surprise you that the lust 428 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,079 is a topic on their minds. They may not think 429 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:38,960 of it as lust, They definitely are attacked by porn 430 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,240 and some of them are brave enough to come and 431 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,079 admit that in our group, you know, and to confess 432 00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:46,759 it to another, confess to one another daily. 433 00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 3: So it begins, I guess for us. 434 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,839 Speaker 1: We tell them to have accountability partners to if that 435 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,160 thought enters your mind, have some scripture available immediately regarding 436 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,400 no one in the flesh, and we have, you know, 437 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:01,759 they're best scriptures that. 438 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:02,319 Speaker 3: Help them with that. 439 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: But you're saying that we could take an eighteen year 440 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,279 olds or a fifty year olds or a thirty year 441 00:24:08,319 --> 00:24:10,359 old and put them down in front of this book, 442 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,519 and if they faithfully go through this, you believe they 443 00:24:13,559 --> 00:24:15,359 can become utterly free from that. 444 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 3: And have you seen this happen? 445 00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 4: Yes, yes I have. It's so because of the flesh. 446 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,359 We're sinners in this life, but the flesh moves a 447 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:32,200 particular direction because we find it tempting. Yeah, And so 448 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,319 the goal is to get to where you're no longer 449 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,880 tempted by lust or porn, to where it repulses you 450 00:24:39,759 --> 00:24:43,759 like other things repulse you. Yeah, right, Like you're in 451 00:24:43,799 --> 00:24:46,880 the power of the Holy Spirit. You're aimed at God, 452 00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:49,519 living for him, seeking to think his thoughts after him, 453 00:24:50,079 --> 00:24:52,519 and you're getting these truths in your bones, I mean 454 00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:55,960 to where it's your default, right to where that's what 455 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,759 you do. You wake up in the morning instead of 456 00:24:57,759 --> 00:25:00,880 thinking about porn. You wake up thinking about God. Before 457 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,160 you go to bed at night, you're thinking of God 458 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,079 rather than thinking about porn. Right, Like, you're you're just 459 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,559 aimed at Him and filled with Him and submitting to 460 00:25:09,599 --> 00:25:14,359 the spirit, and you are sanctified out of that. You're 461 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,279 in the power of the Holy Spirit, putting that sin 462 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,640 to death. Now, the flesh on this side of glory 463 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:24,599 always moves. You're never gonna fully cease from the lust 464 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,839 to the flesh, right, But it doesn't have to move 465 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,960 the same direction for your whole life. And whenever it 466 00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:35,559 moves a different direction, you'll work it, you know, putting 467 00:25:35,559 --> 00:25:37,519 that to death too, in the power of the Holy Spirit. 468 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,920 Like and you'll that's what this Christian life is, you know. 469 00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:43,079 Speaker 1: Obviously, you know, as we're talking with doctor Moore here, 470 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,640 obviously we're talking about spiritual warfare, right, and spiritual warfare 471 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,920 bears some things in common with physical warfare. You know, 472 00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:54,000 if your enemy is doing a good job and they're 473 00:25:54,039 --> 00:25:55,880 going to come up and ambush you, they don't wave 474 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,440 out say hey, we're over here. Is you know I'm 475 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,480 pretty sure. I check it with my friends like Michael Rourke, 476 00:26:01,599 --> 00:26:03,680 or I check with my friends Cody, or I checked 477 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,960 with with Tim Krookshank, founder and CEO of Bone Frog Coffee. 478 00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:09,920 The Taliban didn't regularly do that, isis didn't regularly do that. 479 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,640 They hid, they stuck up, and then they came for 480 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,359 the attack. The enemy is the same way. My friend 481 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,680 Tim Krukshank fought a spiritual battle. Yes, he was in 482 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,559 war for US as a seal, Yes, three deployments on 483 00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:24,640 our behalf in the Middle East, but he also spot 484 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,920 a spiritually fought a spiritual war against people who wanted 485 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,200 to have him let his wife die. See, Tim was 486 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,079 a medic with the Teams. He devoted fifteen years of 487 00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:37,799 his life to extending his wife, Liz's life. He did 488 00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:39,920 that because of his training and because he refused to 489 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,200 let her die because she didn't want to. And meanwhile 490 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,359 people in the world were saying, you're being selfish. That's 491 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,319 a spiritual battle. And I will tell you this as 492 00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:50,880 a former Navy seal, that could have become a physical battle. 493 00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:53,640 And the doctor who said that to Tim's face would 494 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,519 have lost, but Tim serves God, so that guy still 495 00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:00,319 walks around Every bag of bone Frog says God Country 496 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,960 team on it. And I wanted to talk about sisterhood 497 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,319 since we're talking about lust. 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We talk a lot with the young men 509 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,359 about you know, and my wife has given me some 510 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,559 great stuff on c s. Lewis from this and you know, 511 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,640 she and I we have a tradition of reading the 512 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,519 Bible before we go to sleep and waking and thanking 513 00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:57,000 the Lord for our marriage bed and you know, thirty 514 00:27:57,039 --> 00:27:59,319 years together twenty two of marriage. They'll do that to you. 515 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:03,839 And everybody has seasons, you know, everybody has seasons. And 516 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,000 when I have young men who are really struggling with 517 00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:11,000 this stuff and they come and they talk about this stuff, 518 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,359 one of the things we steer them towards is confessing 519 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,960 to their parents. And you know what, when a young 520 00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:25,400 man goes to his mom and says, Mom, I'm struggling 521 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,880 with porn usage, and a mom comes alongside his son 522 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,759 or her son, because the father's not in the picture. 523 00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:34,559 In all too many cases, father's not in the picture, 524 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:35,960 she can even. 525 00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 3: Help with this, and. 526 00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: To not recoil and run away and oh my gosh, 527 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:47,079 I can't believe you're doing that sickness. What gets me 528 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,079 down a little bit and concerned, and I'm not cynical 529 00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:55,839 about it is on the other hand, I've had interactions 530 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,400 with young men whose fathers have said to them, well, 531 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,160 it's okay to look porn as long as you're not 532 00:29:01,559 --> 00:29:02,000 doing that. 533 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 3: To other people. Oh my gosh, And it's okay to 534 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:06,039 do that. 535 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:09,559 Speaker 1: If if you know you're not going to go out 536 00:29:09,839 --> 00:29:13,000 and hurt girls, and it's okay to do that. And 537 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,680 there's nothing that wrong with that, but don't look at 538 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,960 real extreme stuff. I've had responses like that. 539 00:29:20,079 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 2: Uh. 540 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:25,039 Speaker 1: And we're in a situation, I think right now with 541 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,720 the church particularly I speak about Evangelical Church because I 542 00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:31,039 don't attend Catholic church. I don't know that the church 543 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,599 has done enough to talk to everybody about lust. And 544 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,279 I'm saying in the general sessions with everybody, and when 545 00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:42,160 we talk about it in youth group, doctor Moore, Man, 546 00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:46,799 we have the best discussions. Afterwards, we have more kids 547 00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:50,440 come to Christ after the words, we have more kids. 548 00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:53,079 And I hear this from the female leads too. The 549 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,480 girls want to dive into this because they feel deceived. 550 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,279 But do you agree with me that the Evangelical church 551 00:29:58,279 --> 00:30:00,599 as a whole has not really go on to attack 552 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,160 this problem? 553 00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:05,279 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and and part of it was that that was 554 00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:07,839 the one subject they didn't talk about. You know, my 555 00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:11,319 my parents were godly folks, but they never talked to 556 00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:13,839 me about the birds and the bees at all. I 557 00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:15,480 had to figure it out. I learned a lot of 558 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,119 crazy stuff on the school bus. Yeah. And I've talked 559 00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:21,079 with other guys who grew up the same age as me. 560 00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:24,200 You know, I'm in I'm almost forty five, and it 561 00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:27,799 was something about that generation didn't talk about it, and 562 00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:30,160 maybe maybe their parents didn't talk about it because they 563 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,839 all grew up on farms and it was kind of 564 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:33,519 common sense. 565 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well it was. 566 00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: And then there was also the mid seventies where so 567 00:30:39,559 --> 00:30:43,799 many married couples had the joy of sex books hanging around. 568 00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:47,079 And I can tell you I saw that in my household, 569 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,720 and I I and you know, for a fourteen year 570 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,480 old boy to go find something like that, ay, oh 571 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,440 my gosh, why is this here? And then be of 572 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,839 course that leads the mind into these lustly thoughts. But 573 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,680 in this era we also have this challenge I think 574 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,519 where the dads that are saying that are saying that 575 00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:14,160 because they're doing it, yes, right, and they know they 576 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,720 don't have the moral authority to say no, son, you 577 00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:19,920 can't do that. So what do you think are the 578 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:26,400 biggest lies that boys are told about sex in the 579 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,279 culture and girls are told about sex in the culture. 580 00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:30,960 And before you answer that, let me point out on 581 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,720 the livestream couple comments here, what is the significance of 582 00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:37,400 thirty three days? And I think doctor Morrer, you said 583 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,799 that you were taking a median between the amount of 584 00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:42,680 time it takes to create a new habits one hundred 585 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,599 and twenty days. Sixty six was a mark and then 586 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:47,960 there's a low mark and you kind of put that 587 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:48,440 in the middle. 588 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:48,839 Speaker 3: Is that right? 589 00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:52,519 Speaker 1: Because someone else said Brandon Smith said, possibly correlates to 590 00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:55,000 the Age of Christ at the Cross thirty three. But 591 00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:57,599 it's actually you're trying to cut down the middle of 592 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,400 where you believe people can actually let the Lord rescue 593 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,799 them from this in thirty three days. 594 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, yeah, that's. 595 00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:06,799 Speaker 1: Right, right, So thank you for being in Livesham asking questions, 596 00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:10,039 making the comments. So what do you think of the 597 00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:13,400 big lies that young men are told about sex in 598 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,200 the culture and young women are told. 599 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:21,079 Speaker 4: So they're they're both told that, well, young men especially 600 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,000 that it's just part of being a man. Lust is 601 00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:23,799 part of being a man. 602 00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 3: You know, Desiring people are told that. 603 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like desiring beautiful women. You know, I had 604 00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:35,200 a had a pastor ask me one time. You know, 605 00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:38,480 if a fella is driving near the beach so that 606 00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:41,920 he can enjoy God's beauty and he's talking about the women, 607 00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:45,680 the women in bikinis on the beach, and you know, 608 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,119 he's just enjoying God's beauty. Is what he said. How 609 00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:50,240 do you respond to that? And I'm like, no, he's lusting. 610 00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:53,880 He's a married he's a married man. If his daughter 611 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,000 was on the beach in a bikini, he wouldn't be 612 00:32:56,079 --> 00:33:00,039 driving by like he is. He is doing that so 613 00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:03,720 he can lust in his heart and the beauty that 614 00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:07,599 you're supposed to enjoy. First off, beauty can only be 615 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,599 defined by God's design. That's what's beautiful. And did God 616 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,119 design you to look at women you're not married, to 617 00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:21,880 look at their bodies sexually? No, like Adam and Eve 618 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,640 the whole point, Like, you look at the beautiful history 619 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,279 of Adam and Eve, and God literally took a peace 620 00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:29,519 of the man. So that's who he's supposed to be 621 00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:33,400 attracted to, right, like what came from him, and then 622 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,240 it's joined back together as one flesh with him, right. 623 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,559 And then the girls are being taught that they need 624 00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:42,160 to be like the men. And so I honestly think 625 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,319 that that's why I think feminism is the reason why 626 00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:50,559 more and more girls are looking at porn. They're becoming 627 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:57,240 more and more masculine traits, Like it's this emphasis upon 628 00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:01,480 you know, you you have to be like the boys, 629 00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:03,359 and the boys are looking at porn, and then they're talking 630 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,960 about it at school. And then it's also so they 631 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,039 can learn how to get a guy. They're learning from, 632 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,199 you know, pornography rather than from the scriptures. And so 633 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,280 it's just said, I think those are the two big 634 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,039 lives though, that the boys will always lust and then 635 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,480 it's just part of being a man. And then the girls, 636 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,800 you know, need to be like the boys, and also 637 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,280 that they need to learn how to attract the boys 638 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:28,280 by watching porn. 639 00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I might add to that that there's also 640 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:38,599 this this message it's sent to young women that you 641 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,440 don't need men, and you certainly don't need marriage because 642 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,599 you don't need some man lording over you, because of 643 00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:46,800 course a Christian marriage that the man is your boss 644 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,960 and can tell you exactly what to do when you 645 00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:51,920 go mow the lawn, I'm going to watch the super Bowl, 646 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,599 stuff like that, which is not of course, Christian marriage 647 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,639 come under a liftop were to do that with each other. 648 00:34:57,679 --> 00:34:59,760 And the man leads a household so long as a 649 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,320 house so spiritually, so long as he is abiding with 650 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,119 Christ right, So that's an interlocking thing. I think that's 651 00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:09,559 a huge lie that that young women are told therefore, 652 00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:11,760 why not go out and swipe rights, go have this 653 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,480 sexual thing, And that's that's your quote intimacy, after all, 654 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,960 that's what boys want. And then that creates, I think, 655 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,480 a hardness of heart and disappointments, and yeah, I think 656 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,280 that can drive people feminist amount. All boys wanted sex, 657 00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:31,000 and because there are young girls who confuse a boy 658 00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:34,760 having lust for her with a boy liking her or 659 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,480 respecting her or being interested in her. And that's a 660 00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:41,360 major lie and a major problem with young men. The 661 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,320 big lie I see, at least in our youth group 662 00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:47,239 is that there are there are just these small little 663 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,039 things you can do. And I was saying, my wife 664 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,800 and I talked about C. S. Lewis, there's no small sin. 665 00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:56,679 Sins compounds and Jared, I've had discussions with young men. 666 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,199 They're they're going to stay away from girls. They've realized that. Okay, 667 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,360 well but I'm just going to date this one. Okay, 668 00:36:03,559 --> 00:36:05,400 so you're gonna date this one, and what are the rules? 669 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,320 And lo and behold, it's not three months later that 670 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,079 I get a young man coming back to me saying, 671 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,480 I have to confess something. 672 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,519 Speaker 3: Let me guess you and your girlfriend had sex. 673 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 1: How'd you know because you had a problem and you 674 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,039 chose not to listen to the Holy Spirit, and you 675 00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:23,519 chose not to listen to wise counsel. 676 00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 3: So I think the biggest lie. 677 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: Is the most subtle one, and that is that you 678 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,360 got it all handled right without God, you got it 679 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,519 all handled. And that's a huge problematic lie for everybody. 680 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,159 I think that's the subtle one that Satan tells. 681 00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 4: I think one other one is we try to we 682 00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:51,719 try to get take our responsibility away from having to 683 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,840 exercise the fruit of the spirit. So we'll say I 684 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,800 prayed for God to take it away, and he hasn't, 685 00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:02,679 and so we're kind of punting that responsibility. You know, 686 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,880 God sometimes takes lust away or drunkenness away over not right, 687 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,679 But in most cases it seems just anecdotally right that 688 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,360 he gives us the Holy Spirit and enables us to 689 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,719 mortify those particular sinful desires. But but that's hard work. 690 00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:26,519 It's hard, like it's discipline, it's duty, it's doing things 691 00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:29,000 whenever you don't feel like it, getting up and reading 692 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,840 the word when you don't feel like it, getting you 693 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,320 know what I'm saying, Like, it's you have to be disciplined, 694 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,199 and so we we try to say, well, it's it's 695 00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:39,639 God's fault for not taking it away type thing, like, 696 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,960 when that's that's not the case at all. 697 00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:45,679 Speaker 1: Well, I'll get guys sometimes saying, Okay, Todd, good for you. 698 00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:48,440 You've got a beautiful wife. I'm like, I do you 699 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,639 know you've got a wife who loves you. I do, 700 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,400 You've got a wife who's been through a lot with you, 701 00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:57,199 And amen she has. I could be kind of a 702 00:37:57,199 --> 00:38:02,440 load sometimes and believe it a occasionally a jackass. Pardon 703 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,960 my language, because you know, and yes, I am unbelievably 704 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,599 blessed in that way across thirty years, all my risky 705 00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:12,559 business schemes, all these things, and men will say, but 706 00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:14,840 you have that and I don't. 707 00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 3: And because I will. 708 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,159 Speaker 1: Often in the show you know wanted me to go 709 00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:20,679 home and be with my wife, I will say on 710 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,320 the show, I'm going to go home be with my 711 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,840 beloved family and beloved wife. And I've had men right 712 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,519 to me and say, you know, when you say that, 713 00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:30,440 it sounds really arrogant because I don't have that in 714 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,840 my life, and it's really hurtful that you have this 715 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,480 in your life. And so I will get And I 716 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,119 get this all the time, Jared, I will get it. 717 00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:39,480 I know after the show, I know I'll get it. 718 00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:42,360 I have to tune out when you talk about poor usage. 719 00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:45,280 I have to tune out because I don't have a relationship. 720 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,760 I don't have a woman in my life. I'm not 721 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,840 going to have a woman in my life. And you're 722 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,480 telling me I shouldn't enjoy anything sexual. And I'll get 723 00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:57,000 them through anonymous notes, but I'll get them. So how 724 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,960 do you respond to a brother who's hurting that way? 725 00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 4: Well, first off, he's jealous and he needs to repent 726 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,440 of his jealousy of others all right too. And he's 727 00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:12,199 quit making excuses for his sin. That's harming his relationship 728 00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:17,320 with the Lord. You don't have to lust, you know, 729 00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:21,639 he doesn't have to lust. Those are all just excuses 730 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,719 that the devil has told him, that his flesh has 731 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,400 told him, and it's harming your relationship with God and others. 732 00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:31,719 You know, is it worth? Is porn worth harming your 733 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,400 relationship with God? And if you say it is, well, 734 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,840 then you love porn. 735 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 3: Much more than God? 736 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,519 Speaker 4: Yes, right? And God knows that, yes, And so you've 737 00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:45,199 got to repent. You've got to turn from that. You've 738 00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:47,639 got to cultivate your love for God. You've got to 739 00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:50,280 increase in your love for him and your hatred for porn. 740 00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:53,360 Like you can't do it by making all these excuses 741 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,159 woe is me, poor pitiful me. I mean, you know 742 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,440 you have to turn from that. Those are all just 743 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:00,400 from the eve want. 744 00:40:03,199 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 3: I hurt for people sometimes. 745 00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: And this takes us back to the same sex attraction 746 00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:13,800 stuff because they've been told and this is. 747 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 3: A huge lie. 748 00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:19,039 Speaker 1: Sex equals love, right, and the most important thing in 749 00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:22,119 your life is sex, and sex equals love, and you 750 00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:26,639 can't experience love without sex. And so you get people 751 00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:29,199 who are same sex attracted and what they're picturing so 752 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,719 often in their minds, Jared, is you're telling me I 753 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,719 can't have sex, therefore I can't have love, Therefore I 754 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,760 can't have this very important human connection. And I had 755 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,559 a friend of mine long ago, this was probably twenty 756 00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:45,440 five years ago. Her brother is same sex attracted. And 757 00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:47,880 twenty five years ago we had this conversation and she said, 758 00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,039 I just want to know who you are to say 759 00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:53,039 my brother can't be happy. All he's ever wanted is 760 00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:54,400 to be married. I just want to know who do 761 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,719 you think you are? That he can't be happy? And 762 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,280 that long ago, oh place to burden in my heart. 763 00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:04,840 And because also I know people and I think we 764 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,559 all do, who are same sex attracted? Can you speak 765 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,760 words of hope for people who know folks are in 766 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,920 that position, who have come out the other side and 767 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:20,079 experienced the true happiness that we get in only if 768 00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:21,000 they're biding with Christ. 769 00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:26,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to first tell yourself that you're not gay. 770 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,920 You're not a homosexual. You are a male or female 771 00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:33,159 created to glorify and enjoy God and to do what 772 00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:37,280 He designed you to do. And so you tell yourself, well, 773 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,119 so if I'm not gay, but I'm a male, what 774 00:41:41,199 --> 00:41:44,199 are males designed by God to do? Unless they have 775 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,000 to give to singleness to pursue one female for marriage 776 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,920 and to love her and to cherish her and to 777 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,840 hold her and to care for her and to you know, 778 00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:56,039 in the marriage bed is supposed to be active. Like 779 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,440 that's what I would encourage them to do. Like God's 780 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,400 design is the only thing that can truly make you happy, 781 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,960 Like you're you think that you can have happiness if 782 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,519 God allowed same sex marriage, Like if God was cool 783 00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:13,800 with same sex sexual activity that that would make you happy. 784 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,480 That's not what you were designed for. Like if somebody's 785 00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:20,440 outside eating dirt, like you're not designed for that. And 786 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,679 then they're like, no, Jared, I love eating dirt. I 787 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,079 really want to eat dirt. Like no, no, no, you were 788 00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:30,679 designed yeah, didn't what God provided you to eat? Fruits, vegetables? Steak? 789 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:31,559 Speaker 2: Right? 790 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: Or maybe take it to like alcohol? You know, okay, 791 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,599 so you have a drink? Were we designed to have 792 00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:38,360 only alcohol? 793 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,280 Speaker 3: Was this? Hard? Bodies are designed. 794 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,639 Speaker 1: And you may think you're happy, and you may think 795 00:42:43,679 --> 00:42:46,800 you're happy when you engage in an active lost and 796 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,639 you may. And then when those things compound the cslist 797 00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:53,840 talks about and you wake up and you have tossed 798 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,960 out your relationship with God, and that would be a 799 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,039 heck of a wake up call on Judgment Day. But 800 00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:02,199 when you toss out your relationship with God, to me, 801 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:07,199 you toss out your ability to express biblical love, and 802 00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:09,559 you will become an angry person. And we see this, 803 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,320 you know, we know there's something wrong with one of 804 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,519 our boys. When the mood has changed and they're horribly 805 00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:18,400 angry or they're depressed, and man, nine times out of 806 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,719 ten it comes back into one of these circumstances. I 807 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,880 relapsed and I used porn. I made a mistake and 808 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:29,360 had sex with my girlfriends. I popped off and pushed 809 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,760 a teacher And that's, you know, a different form of 810 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,280 listening to the flesh. But you're telling us that you 811 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,920 know it's possible. I mean, I know God can do anything. 812 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,880 I know that in my heart, mind, soul, and almost rank. 813 00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:44,840 I understand it because He has rescued me multiple times 814 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:50,280 from things. The hope for this generation, you believe exists 815 00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:53,960 so that we could actually see a decrease in lust 816 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,039 that we could measure and lustful acts. And if the 817 00:43:57,079 --> 00:43:58,840 church got behind this, what would that look like? What 818 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,880 would it look like for the event church to get 819 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,639 behind this, and what would you have them do and 820 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,360 or kind of close out with that, what would you 821 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,320 have the evangelical Church begin to do today? 822 00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:15,400 Speaker 4: Well, we need to associate sexual morality with biblical masculinity 823 00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:19,920 and biblical femininity. And it needs to be something that 824 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,679 repulses us like lust needs to be something that repulses 825 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,639 us like it should you know, I think Jesus could 826 00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:31,000 evangelize at a strip club and most men wouldn't be 827 00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:36,119 able to and that there's a big problem because that 828 00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:40,199 reveals that the man has an adulterous heart that he's 829 00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:44,679 still got to deal with. Ye, And so we have 830 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,239 to get to where we associate it with biblical masculinity. 831 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,320 Right now, what's associated with well, men are just gonna lust, 832 00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:53,559 They're just going to enjoy it. Like, let me be 833 00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:55,800 clear here, I'm not saying it's wrong to notice that 834 00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,400 a lady's beautiful, right like, she's pretty, that's a pretty lady. 835 00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:05,840 But I'm saying that to sexually desire her to enjoy 836 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,360 her body in a sexual way in your mind, like 837 00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:12,280 looking at her inappropriately. How you wouldn't want someone to 838 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,320 look at your daughter or your wife right like? That 839 00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:19,840 that's what we have to reject. And so you need 840 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,599 to be looking at women's eyes, and ladies, you should 841 00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:24,760 want men to look at your eyes, and so dress 842 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,280 in a way that encourages them to look up here, 843 00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:32,480 right like, because that's where sanctification takes place. Nothing good 844 00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:36,840 outside of marriage happens below the below the head. So 845 00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:41,760 but what it would look like is men taking responsibility 846 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,440 for lust in their hearts and aiming at Christ so 847 00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:48,679 much so that the goal is to not ever be 848 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,480 tempted by lust again, right, there are certain sins that 849 00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:56,719 repulse Christians, like all Christians are repulsed by certain sins. 850 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,320 I would never do that. Oh that's awful. Oh that's gross. 851 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,920 Oh that's that's how you have to get about lust, right, 852 00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:06,840 Like you have to starve yourself from it as well. 853 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,199 And I think there's I think Christians are leaving freedom 854 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,239 on the table, Todd, I really do, because they're making 855 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:19,199 excuses for literally wicked evil in their hearts. In One 856 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,840 Timothy five to two, Paul says to Timothy, you are 857 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,880 supposed to view older women as mothers, younger women as 858 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,760 sisters and all purity. That should be the goal. And 859 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,159 you're not sexually attracted to your mom or your sisters, 860 00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:39,320 and so like it's scary because I mean, Todd, I 861 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,480 imagine you see it too, right, Like it seems every 862 00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:47,039 few weeks a new pastor falls, somebody we loved, somebody 863 00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:47,880 we respected. 864 00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:50,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, Satan's always in the march. We hear, we know 865 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,960 he's a roaring line, and he's roaring after the believers. 866 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,519 He's worrying, he's coming after us. If you don't believe 867 00:46:57,559 --> 00:46:59,480 he doesn't care, No, work is going to put into that. 868 00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:02,639 If you're quarm Christian and you're not even saved, that's 869 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,800 convenient for him. Yeah, he's coming for the saints. Super 870 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,199 axiom in the live chats, so true they worship porn. 871 00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:12,320 For a lot of people, porners they're God. They cannot 872 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,039 stop thinking about it, wanting it, thinking they need it. 873 00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:17,920 And then a lot of people in the chat suggesting 874 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,480 screwtape letter is very true. Great great book on that. 875 00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:24,239 There's a link to doctor Moore's books in the show notes. 876 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,320 I encourage you to buy them, particularly if you're in 877 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,800 the ministry, and I encourage you to use these things 878 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:31,280 to help. 879 00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:32,920 Speaker 3: Young men and young women. And I guess men and 880 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,480 women as a whole get out of jail because we're 881 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:36,719 called to free the captives. 882 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,800 Speaker 4: Aren't we, Yes, im in I mean there and some 883 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,639 don't even know they're in prison. You until you get 884 00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:44,440 on the other side of it, you don't really like 885 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,400 you think you're happy, yeah, but the truth is you've 886 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,719 never been happy, like if you've been ensnared in sin, 887 00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:53,880 like you don't know what happiness he is, Like God's 888 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,320 design is always what is best for you and what 889 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,000 will bring flourishing, and if you're ensnared in porn, it's 890 00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:03,280 hurting you in ways you don't realize. Like Todd's talking 891 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,280 about how sin compounds, Like you're embracing other sins because 892 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,840 you're dehumanizing yourself as an image bearer. You're using your 893 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,159 body in the way God didn't design yep. And then 894 00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:16,679 you're using other people's bodies in the way God didn't 895 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,000 design that. You can't compartmentalize that to where it's just 896 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,719 sexual immorality. You'll also harm people in other ways, like 897 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,480 because your ultimate issue is you don't view them as 898 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:28,880 an image bearer, even yourself. 899 00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:29,400 Speaker 3: Yep. 900 00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:32,440 Speaker 4: You know, like you're exactly right on that, yep. 901 00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:35,760 Speaker 3: And we have a C. S. Lewis. 902 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,000 Speaker 1: It's that poster but a tapestry at our wall, and 903 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,360 it's that think about there are no small sins. Each 904 00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:45,960 a trivial surrender to an active lust or anger gives 905 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,840 the enemy of beachheads or a spot on a bridge 906 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,519 from what she can launch you and attack you at 907 00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:51,360 a thought impossible. 908 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:52,519 Speaker 3: Right I'm paraphrasing. 909 00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:56,039 Speaker 1: Appreciate your time, my brother, Thank you, and thank you 910 00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:57,559 for the wise counsel. Thank you for your work in 911 00:48:57,559 --> 00:48:59,880 your Ministry, and again there's a link to the books. 912 00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:01,639 The show notes that I encourage you to buy those. Brother, 913 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:02,239 Thank you very. 914 00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,400 Speaker 4: Much, Todd. Thank you brother. Keep doing what you're doing. 915 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,000 Speaker 3: Brother, We're gonna do it. This is the Todd Herban Show. 916 00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:11,480 Speaker 1: Please go, be well, be strong, be kind, and please 917 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,440 make every effort to walk in the light of Christ. 918 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,960 And I do hope that you, like me, get to 919 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,800 go spend time with your beloved wife or husband or family. 920 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,320 Speaker 3: Later I man