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<v Speaker 1>Here fifty five care and C the talk station. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one say Americans for Prosperity. Donovan Andeo joins the program

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<v Speaker 1>at this time talk stuff and things and most notably

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and things inside the Big Beautiful Bill. Welcome back,

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<v Speaker 1>Donovan and Neil. It's great to have you on the program. Brian,

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<v Speaker 1>always good to be with. Yeah. So your personal take

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<v Speaker 1>on this still called Big Beautiful Bill. I hate that name, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I said that before. I really wish it wasn't called that.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish we could call it something else. But beyond

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<v Speaker 1>that I had I was disappointed that didn't cut, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, at one point five trillion dollars and cuts

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<v Speaker 1>over ten years when we're blowing through an extra two

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<v Speaker 1>trillion plus a year, it just doesn't do much by

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<v Speaker 1>way of writing the overspending in government. And I can't

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<v Speaker 1>get over that, in spite of the fact that it's

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<v Speaker 1>got some great things in it. Donovan.

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<v Speaker 2>Your reaction, Yeah, well, I think you know, none of

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff is ever is ever beautiful, despite the naming

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<v Speaker 2>of the one big of the bill being one Big

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<v Speaker 2>Beautiful Bill. But what I think is important here is

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<v Speaker 2>what Speaker Johnson and House Republicans did is they operated

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<v Speaker 2>from the premise that this is this is our money,

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<v Speaker 2>not Washington's money, right, and so they remained laser focused

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<v Speaker 2>on cementing in one of the largest tax cuts in

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<v Speaker 2>American history, right by making permanent those twenty seventeen Trump

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<v Speaker 2>tax cuts, something that a lot of folks said may

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<v Speaker 2>not even be possible. Maybe at best they can extend

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<v Speaker 2>them for five to ten years. Maybe they can do

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<v Speaker 2>it if they increase the top marginal rate. But no,

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<v Speaker 2>they did it, Brian. They made the Trump tax cuts

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<v Speaker 2>permanent through what they've done. Now it goes to the Senate,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think what you're seeing from senators like Ron

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson and others right where you've also got a smaller podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>a smaller number of folks, right fifty two members to

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<v Speaker 2>organize and rally that the conversation is around the deficit

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<v Speaker 2>spending right and getting some of that, getting some of

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<v Speaker 2>that fiscal note into a better place. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>think through this sausage making process, you know, the hope

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<v Speaker 2>would be right we get to an even better product

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<v Speaker 2>for those folks who are focused on the deficit in

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<v Speaker 2>the spending, which is an important area. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>the most important thing we did we've seen happen here, right,

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<v Speaker 2>is what the goal was from the beginning of this

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<v Speaker 2>year was to make a lot of to make the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump tax cuts permanent, follow through on the campaign promises

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<v Speaker 2>of even lower taxes that Republicans campaigned on last year

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<v Speaker 2>to earn our votes, and then House accomplish that in

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<v Speaker 2>this bill.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I get all that, and I know it's

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<v Speaker 1>a big thing to have the Trump tax cuts made permanent,

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<v Speaker 1>because that means some future Congress is going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to undo them by raising taxes, which is never a

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<v Speaker 1>popular thing to campaign on or run on. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as long as the deficit keeps increasing, it feeds the

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<v Speaker 1>notion that raising taxes on Americans is somehow going to

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<v Speaker 1>stop the excess spending in government and be applied to

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<v Speaker 1>lowering the whole we've dug ourselves in. And Donovan, you

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<v Speaker 1>and I both know that never ever happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it never ever happens. But I think what we've got,

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<v Speaker 2>what we're starting to see here is a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>the change in the culture, right, And I think one

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<v Speaker 2>of the areas that as we get through this over

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<v Speaker 2>the next few weeks and we start looking at what

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<v Speaker 2>the next fight is going to be over the next

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<v Speaker 2>three years the Trump administration. I think one of the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest things folks need to zero in on. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that the Trump administration and Republicans in Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>as long as they have control, can do to cement

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<v Speaker 2>a legacy is to really get at that administrative state,

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<v Speaker 2>take that doge idea right, and really supercharge that really

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<v Speaker 2>begin to change the way that washing operates. We're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to see that deficit debt go away overnight, but

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<v Speaker 2>if we can begin to get at some of that

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<v Speaker 2>administrative state stuff and really zero in on getting government

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<v Speaker 2>more efficient and operating better, which is going to take

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<v Speaker 2>a combination of congressional action and executive courage, we can

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<v Speaker 2>then get to in that long run, get to a

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<v Speaker 2>better place. And so I think, you know, some of

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<v Speaker 2>that is promises made later on. I think Brian Wright

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not eftical to that. And it's why working

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<v Speaker 2>in the grassroots organization like AFP, I know we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be committed to continuing to hold folks feet to

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<v Speaker 2>the fire right. We don't see this as something that

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<v Speaker 2>gets done. Everybody celebrates the tick or Tate parade, happens,

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<v Speaker 2>and we all go back and just wait to see

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<v Speaker 2>what happens next. We're our organization right remains committed to

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<v Speaker 2>engaging in that space. And so that's where I have

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of confidence, right, Brian, even though I'm jaded

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<v Speaker 2>all a lot of this stuff, I have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of confidence that, hey, we'll get this done, keep working

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<v Speaker 2>on this, and then what we really need to spend

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<v Speaker 2>the next three years, well, now that we've made the

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<v Speaker 2>tax cuts permanent, is getting that administrative state, aka the

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<v Speaker 2>deep state right under control, rained in and cementing that

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<v Speaker 2>in some way so that the next progressive administration to

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<v Speaker 2>come through the White House isn't able to undo a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the good work that's being done right now

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<v Speaker 2>in Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're always going to remain hard at work

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<v Speaker 1>on these issues. It's just a question of, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I refuse to cut any program. Let's talk a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more about what's in this particular bill, and what's

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<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen going forward with Donovan and Neil

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<v Speaker 1>Should I seven forty fifty five KRCD Talk station, don

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<v Speaker 1>On a Neil Americans for Prosperity on talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>so called big Beautiful Bill. All right, so we got

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<v Speaker 1>the permanent tax cuts in there. Some of the other highlights.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the work requirement for Medicaid for people who

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<v Speaker 1>are capable of working. I mean, no one who is

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<v Speaker 1>truly on life's margin, disabled and others are going to

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<v Speaker 1>lose Medicaid. And this is a big talking point for

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrats. Oh my god, all these people are gonna lose. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you just work eighty hours a month, which isn't

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<v Speaker 1>a big ask, go to school, participate in community service

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<v Speaker 1>or something, then you'll be able to keep your Medicaid benefit.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't consider that too much of an ask.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald And it also may liberate people from the umbilical

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<v Speaker 1>court of government, because, as I've been harping on, there

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<v Speaker 1>earn while you learn, and also learn a career level trade.

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<v Speaker 1>So use this time to your advantage and don't have

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<v Speaker 2>Donovan, Well, yeah, and actually on that, I agree one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent on that. I think that's really important policy

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<v Speaker 2>and one of the things. I was actually just yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>in Columbus with the Associated Builders in Contracts, Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>merit based construction workers, right, and they were talking about

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<v Speaker 2>all the jobs that are available. They had Daveyo's lieutenant

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<v Speaker 2>governor and the lieutenant governor them through and Trestle, and

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<v Speaker 2>they were talking about the opportunities out there. And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that's part of what we see in

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<v Speaker 2>this bill right through those Medicaid work with crorements. What

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing is we're saying, hey, you know, government can

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<v Speaker 2>be a handout, but not a handout, right, that old adage.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's really one of the things right the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>driver in state budgets right now, Brian, Right, half of

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<v Speaker 2>the Ohio state budget goes to healthcare because of these

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<v Speaker 2>federal programs. And when you talk to the lawmakers in Columbus,

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<v Speaker 2>while they're doing we're working on different things, trying to

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<v Speaker 2>find different waivers. In a particular Representative Ville identified potentially

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<v Speaker 2>even six billion plus in waste that may be there

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<v Speaker 2>because of a lack of oversight. What we really need

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<v Speaker 2>the federal government to do is loosen up its rules

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<v Speaker 2>and restrictions so that the states can have more flexibility

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<v Speaker 2>to run these programs that are and more efficiently as

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<v Speaker 2>long as we're going to have the requirement to have them.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think that is an important part of

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<v Speaker 2>the bill and something they get done in a good way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no question about that. The one other thing I

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<v Speaker 1>was disappointed in is increasing this salt deduction. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just it's a gift the American taxpayers are shouldering

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<v Speaker 1>the burden of high tax states like New York, New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 1>and California with the increase in the salt deduction. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, damn it, those Republicans wouldn't vote for the

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<v Speaker 1>a subsidy for their high tax states.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I mean that's a that's an element of

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<v Speaker 2>this the y raging caucus that you've got to bring

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<v Speaker 2>as long as we continue to subsidize sault. One of

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<v Speaker 2>several times and a lot of folks I think think

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<v Speaker 2>the same way is, you know, make these folks pay

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<v Speaker 2>their high taxes. They're in blue states like New York

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<v Speaker 2>and California. Right that imposed high burden taxes on them.

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<v Speaker 2>The only way you change the political culture is by

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<v Speaker 2>creating that pain point. That pain point ought to be

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to pay your high tax bill until you

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<v Speaker 2>elect good conservatives who recognize that that money is not

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Sacramentos or New York Cities, it's your money, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that was the original idea behind the

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<v Speaker 1>concept of capping it. You know, I mean, they will say, no, Moss,

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<v Speaker 1>federal income taxes. We need to get people out of office,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to have our taxes lowered. So it just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't happen, Donovan. That's just it just didn't happen. So

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<v Speaker 1>now they got a little more flexibility. Although it is

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<v Speaker 1>capped at five hundred thousand dollars annual income, correct, Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think it's a little just a little higher than that,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, there's something like that. So, you know, the progressives,

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<v Speaker 2>the folks who say they're rich don't pay enough. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess the retell continue to pay a little more in

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<v Speaker 2>that gets at a bigger problem though. It's something that

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<v Speaker 2>the federal that we olfuscate the actual cost of government

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<v Speaker 2>when we have these various deductions and credits and other things,

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<v Speaker 2>that's in the mainstream conversation, and I think even beyond

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<v Speaker 2>the passage of this bill, continuing to talk about that

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<v Speaker 2>what you got to do to get the votes. I guess, right,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're don't envy the speaker and the.

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<v Speaker 1>Role that he's in, well, I appreciate that it repealed

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<v Speaker 1>some of the Inflation Reduction Act Green New Green New

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, and I think you know, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that you know, we will get you to point to,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think in the Senate is an area that

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<v Speaker 2>there's still opportunity probably to identify some additional savings and

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<v Speaker 2>cost reductions here is in the inflation Reduction Act. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>these subsidies, these great Energy New Deal programs that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Biden administration put in, are you know, harmful and

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<v Speaker 2>costly to the America public. And we're underscored and the

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<v Speaker 2>cost they would be by the Congressional Budget Office. We

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<v Speaker 2>underestimated the impact of those to the national debt. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I think that's an area that you know, was

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<v Speaker 2>also up for discussion in the House. Unfortunately, they saw

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<v Speaker 2>the light and said, yeah, we're gonna We're gonna end

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of these subsidies. Hopefully, you know, whatever's left

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<v Speaker 2>over the Senate can can tackle and take care of well.

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<v Speaker 1>And speaking of the Senate, I know Raan Paul came

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<v Speaker 1>out in strong opposition to increase in the nation's debt limit.

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<v Speaker 1>By what did the final bill have it for a

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<v Speaker 1>four trillion dollar increase or is it five? I know

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think those those the CBO estimates somewhere around

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<v Speaker 2>there in there. But I think one thing that's important

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<v Speaker 2>right in the CBO estimates is they continually get this wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>The CBO gets this wrong right, And so I think

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<v Speaker 2>what you really need to be paying attention to. We've

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<v Speaker 2>seen more and more members begin to call that out

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<v Speaker 2>because the tactic that our opponents utilize very well to

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<v Speaker 2>slow roll tax reform, but we use very ineffectively to

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<v Speaker 2>stop bills like the Inflation Reduction Act from happening. They

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<v Speaker 2>got they underestimated the Inflation Reduction Act by uh I

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<v Speaker 2>think they said the CBO said it would the national

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<v Speaker 2>or the deficit, sorry, by eighty billion dollars. Ultimately, recent

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<v Speaker 2>scoring of it has shown that it's actually increased the

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<v Speaker 2>national deficit by something like three hundred to five hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and sixty two billion dollars. And so they get these

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<v Speaker 2>numbers wrong a lot. And I think the thing we

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<v Speaker 2>want to remain focused on with this bill, right is

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<v Speaker 2>it operates from the premise that this is our money

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<v Speaker 2>out Washington's. So tax cuts aren't don't contribute to the

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<v Speaker 2>national debt. Tax cuts go into our pockets. We invest

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<v Speaker 2>that money in the economy, and Washington sees that money

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<v Speaker 2>come back. We hit five trillion dollars in federal revenues

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<v Speaker 2>this year, right, five trillion dollars in money the government's

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<v Speaker 2>taking out of our pockets and putting into Washington DC.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't have a spending problem in Washington. We a,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have a revenue generation problem, we have a

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<v Speaker 2>spending problem, and yeah, we need to get that under control.

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<v Speaker 2>And centators like rand Paul pointing that out are an

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<v Speaker 2>important part of getting the culture shift happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I presume the next call to action is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be pressure on senators. Where do you see this

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<v Speaker 1>shaking out? Well, let's just hypothetically say Ran Paul gets

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<v Speaker 1>his way and they put in a lot more cuts

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<v Speaker 1>to federal spending. They don't raise the nation's debt limit

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<v Speaker 1>as much, or perhaps don't raise it at all. They

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of the salt increase and take it back

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<v Speaker 1>to ten grand or something, some of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these senators have advocated for. And it

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<v Speaker 1>goes back to the House with those in it. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you got the Republicans who are hold out saying no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not getting my way. Does it then collapse? Does

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<v Speaker 1>it then collapse? And we we're back to square one?

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<v Speaker 2>Donovan, Well, failure isn't an option here from the very beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>Failure isn't an option. Right, So the same proverbial gun

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<v Speaker 2>that's to the head of the sub of the US Senate,

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<v Speaker 2>right that if you fail to get this done, Americans

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<v Speaker 2>are going to see a tax increase occur. That exists

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<v Speaker 2>even if the Senate is able to accomplish a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of those goals, and it goes back to the House,

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<v Speaker 2>right that the House still needs to get that done.

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<v Speaker 2>Right because at the end of the day, this is

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm making permanent, the Trump tax cuts. And so,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think through this process, right, it's never beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, even when you're dealing with one big beautiful bill,

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<v Speaker 2>it's never beautiful. It never looks good, it's never very comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think what we have is that opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>send it to get an even better product that then

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<v Speaker 2>goes to the House and the members have the same

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<v Speaker 2>there's still the same calculus they have today. They have

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<v Speaker 2>to get this done or else the American people are

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<v Speaker 2>going to see a tax increase. The average American will

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<v Speaker 2>see Ohio and I'll see a tax increase of fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars per year if Congress fails to act. And

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<v Speaker 2>so that's the mission, that's what they've got to get done,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll continue to hold them accountable, feet to the

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<v Speaker 2>fire and focused on getting that accomplished. In this bill

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<v Speaker 2>to the President's desk, ideally by the fourth of July.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my popcorns out and I'm waiting.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The one thing that's it's rarely brought up, and being

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<v Speaker 1>a firearms enthusiast, myself and a lot of my listeners

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate the Second Amendment right to keep them bare arms,

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<v Speaker 1>the gun suppressors. That it got rid of the two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollar tacks on the gun suppressor. Has it removed

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<v Speaker 1>them completely? Are Are they no longer subject to an

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<v Speaker 1>FFL background check and approval from the government.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh, I am not as dotant on that that piece

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<v Speaker 2>as you and so care listeners might be. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I just know that they were they that two hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>There well a lot of good things in it, not

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<v Speaker 1>enough is from my perspective. But then you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>just I watch us with this existential threat of overspending,

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<v Speaker 1>and no one is willing to, you know, tear the

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<v Speaker 1>band aid off and say, you know what, we just

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<v Speaker 1>can't continue down this road, and this bill in large part,

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<v Speaker 1>continue this down this the same profigate spending mode, and

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully the Senate will transform it and the House will

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<v Speaker 1>pass whatever the Senate passes, but we've got Donovan and

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<v Speaker 1>Neon Americans for Prosperity there to help us push it

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<v Speaker 1>along the way. What's the call to action for my

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<v Speaker 1>listeners today, Donovan, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, we need you to go to protect Prosperity dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Protect Prosperity dot Com. That's been our overarching campaign from

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<v Speaker 2>That's what'll remain laser focused on getting done. And always

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate your listeners who chip in and help by reaching

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<v Speaker 2>out to their senators, their congressman to drive that very

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<v Speaker 2>message you're sharing there, Brian, right, that we need a

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<v Speaker 1>this job done. Dot van Neil, thanks for all that

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