Speaker 1: Here fifty five care and C the talk station. It's
Speaker 1: one say Americans for Prosperity. Donovan Andeo joins the program
Speaker 1: at this time talk stuff and things and most notably
Speaker 1: stuff and things inside the Big Beautiful Bill. Welcome back,
Speaker 1: Donovan and Neil. It's great to have you on the program. Brian,
Speaker 1: always good to be with. Yeah. So your personal take
Speaker 1: on this still called Big Beautiful Bill. I hate that name, honestly,
Speaker 1: I said that before. I really wish it wasn't called that.
Speaker 1: I wish we could call it something else. But beyond
Speaker 1: that I had I was disappointed that didn't cut, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, at one point five trillion dollars and cuts
Speaker 1: over ten years when we're blowing through an extra two
Speaker 1: trillion plus a year, it just doesn't do much by
Speaker 1: way of writing the overspending in government. And I can't
Speaker 1: get over that, in spite of the fact that it's
Speaker 1: got some great things in it. Donovan.
Speaker 2: Your reaction, Yeah, well, I think you know, none of
Speaker 2: this stuff is ever is ever beautiful, despite the naming
Speaker 2: of the one big of the bill being one Big
Speaker 2: Beautiful Bill. But what I think is important here is
Speaker 2: what Speaker Johnson and House Republicans did is they operated
Speaker 2: from the premise that this is this is our money,
Speaker 2: not Washington's money, right, and so they remained laser focused
Speaker 2: on cementing in one of the largest tax cuts in
Speaker 2: American history, right by making permanent those twenty seventeen Trump
Speaker 2: tax cuts, something that a lot of folks said may
Speaker 2: not even be possible. Maybe at best they can extend
Speaker 2: them for five to ten years. Maybe they can do
Speaker 2: it if they increase the top marginal rate. But no,
Speaker 2: they did it, Brian. They made the Trump tax cuts
Speaker 2: permanent through what they've done. Now it goes to the Senate,
Speaker 2: and I think what you're seeing from senators like Ron
Speaker 2: Johnson and others right where you've also got a smaller podcast,
Speaker 2: a smaller number of folks, right fifty two members to
Speaker 2: organize and rally that the conversation is around the deficit
Speaker 2: spending right and getting some of that, getting some of
Speaker 2: that fiscal note into a better place. And so I
Speaker 2: think through this sausage making process, you know, the hope
Speaker 2: would be right we get to an even better product
Speaker 2: for those folks who are focused on the deficit in
Speaker 2: the spending, which is an important area. But I think
Speaker 2: the most important thing we did we've seen happen here, right,
Speaker 2: is what the goal was from the beginning of this
Speaker 2: year was to make a lot of to make the
Speaker 2: Trump tax cuts permanent, follow through on the campaign promises
Speaker 2: of even lower taxes that Republicans campaigned on last year
Speaker 2: to earn our votes, and then House accomplish that in
Speaker 2: this bill.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get all that, and I know it's
Speaker 1: a big thing to have the Trump tax cuts made permanent,
Speaker 1: because that means some future Congress is going to have
Speaker 1: to undo them by raising taxes, which is never a
Speaker 1: popular thing to campaign on or run on. But you know,
Speaker 1: as long as the deficit keeps increasing, it feeds the
Speaker 1: notion that raising taxes on Americans is somehow going to
Speaker 1: stop the excess spending in government and be applied to
Speaker 1: lowering the whole we've dug ourselves in. And Donovan, you
Speaker 1: and I both know that never ever happens.
Speaker 2: Well it never ever happens. But I think what we've got,
Speaker 2: what we're starting to see here is a bit of
Speaker 2: the change in the culture, right, And I think one
Speaker 2: of the areas that as we get through this over
Speaker 2: the next few weeks and we start looking at what
Speaker 2: the next fight is going to be over the next
Speaker 2: three years the Trump administration. I think one of the
Speaker 2: biggest things folks need to zero in on. One of
Speaker 2: the things that the Trump administration and Republicans in Washington,
Speaker 2: as long as they have control, can do to cement
Speaker 2: a legacy is to really get at that administrative state,
Speaker 2: take that doge idea right, and really supercharge that really
Speaker 2: begin to change the way that washing operates. We're not
Speaker 2: going to see that deficit debt go away overnight, but
Speaker 2: if we can begin to get at some of that
Speaker 2: administrative state stuff and really zero in on getting government
Speaker 2: more efficient and operating better, which is going to take
Speaker 2: a combination of congressional action and executive courage, we can
Speaker 2: then get to in that long run, get to a
Speaker 2: better place. And so I think, you know, some of
Speaker 2: that is promises made later on. I think Brian Wright
Speaker 2: and I'm not eftical to that. And it's why working
Speaker 2: in the grassroots organization like AFP, I know we're going
Speaker 2: to be committed to continuing to hold folks feet to
Speaker 2: the fire right. We don't see this as something that
Speaker 2: gets done. Everybody celebrates the tick or Tate parade, happens,
Speaker 2: and we all go back and just wait to see
Speaker 2: what happens next. We're our organization right remains committed to
Speaker 2: engaging in that space. And so that's where I have
Speaker 2: a bit of confidence, right, Brian, even though I'm jaded
Speaker 2: all a lot of this stuff, I have a lot
Speaker 2: of confidence that, hey, we'll get this done, keep working
Speaker 2: on this, and then what we really need to spend
Speaker 2: the next three years, well, now that we've made the
Speaker 2: tax cuts permanent, is getting that administrative state, aka the
Speaker 2: deep state right under control, rained in and cementing that
Speaker 2: in some way so that the next progressive administration to
Speaker 2: come through the White House isn't able to undo a
Speaker 2: lot of the good work that's being done right now
Speaker 2: in Washington.
Speaker 1: I know you're always going to remain hard at work
Speaker 1: on these issues. It's just a question of, you know,
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Speaker 1: I think a vast majority of my listening audience and me,
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Speaker 1: I refuse to cut any program. Let's talk a little
Speaker 1: bit more about what's in this particular bill, and what's
Speaker 1: what's going to happen going forward with Donovan and Neil
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Speaker 1: Should I seven forty fifty five KRCD Talk station, don
Speaker 1: On a Neil Americans for Prosperity on talking about the
Speaker 1: so called big Beautiful Bill. All right, so we got
Speaker 1: the permanent tax cuts in there. Some of the other highlights.
Speaker 1: I love the work requirement for Medicaid for people who
Speaker 1: are capable of working. I mean, no one who is
Speaker 1: truly on life's margin, disabled and others are going to
Speaker 1: lose Medicaid. And this is a big talking point for
Speaker 1: the Democrats. Oh my god, all these people are gonna lose. Well,
Speaker 1: if you just work eighty hours a month, which isn't
Speaker 1: a big ask, go to school, participate in community service
Speaker 1: or something, then you'll be able to keep your Medicaid benefit.
Speaker 1: So I don't consider that too much of an ask.
Speaker 1: Donald And it also may liberate people from the umbilical
Speaker 1: court of government, because, as I've been harping on, there
Speaker 1: are so many trade jobs out there that you can
Speaker 1: earn while you learn, and also learn a career level trade.
Speaker 1: So use this time to your advantage and don't have
Speaker 1: to worry about being on Medicaid anymore.
Speaker 2: Donovan, Well, yeah, and actually on that, I agree one
Speaker 2: hundred percent on that. I think that's really important policy
Speaker 2: and one of the things. I was actually just yesterday
Speaker 2: in Columbus with the Associated Builders in Contracts, Yeah, the
Speaker 2: merit based construction workers, right, and they were talking about
Speaker 2: all the jobs that are available. They had Daveyo's lieutenant
Speaker 2: governor and the lieutenant governor them through and Trestle, and
Speaker 2: they were talking about the opportunities out there. And so yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think that's part of what we see in
Speaker 2: this bill right through those Medicaid work with crorements. What
Speaker 2: we're doing is we're saying, hey, you know, government can
Speaker 2: be a handout, but not a handout, right, that old adage.
Speaker 2: And that's really one of the things right the biggest
Speaker 2: driver in state budgets right now, Brian, Right, half of
Speaker 2: the Ohio state budget goes to healthcare because of these
Speaker 2: federal programs. And when you talk to the lawmakers in Columbus,
Speaker 2: while they're doing we're working on different things, trying to
Speaker 2: find different waivers. In a particular Representative Ville identified potentially
Speaker 2: even six billion plus in waste that may be there
Speaker 2: because of a lack of oversight. What we really need
Speaker 2: the federal government to do is loosen up its rules
Speaker 2: and restrictions so that the states can have more flexibility
Speaker 2: to run these programs that are and more efficiently as
Speaker 2: long as we're going to have the requirement to have them.
Speaker 2: And so I think that is an important part of
Speaker 2: the bill and something they get done in a good way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about that. The one other thing I
Speaker 1: was disappointed in is increasing this salt deduction. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're just it's a gift the American taxpayers are shouldering
Speaker 1: the burden of high tax states like New York, New Jersey,
Speaker 1: and California with the increase in the salt deduction. But
Speaker 1: you know, damn it, those Republicans wouldn't vote for the
Speaker 1: whole bill unless they got what they wanted, which is
Speaker 1: a subsidy for their high tax states.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean that's a that's an element of
Speaker 2: this the y raging caucus that you've got to bring
Speaker 2: together right across the country. But I do think, yeah,
Speaker 2: as long as we continue to subsidize sault. One of
Speaker 2: the one you know, one of the things I said
Speaker 2: several times and a lot of folks I think think
Speaker 2: the same way is, you know, make these folks pay
Speaker 2: their high taxes. They're in blue states like New York
Speaker 2: and California. Right that imposed high burden taxes on them.
Speaker 2: The only way you change the political culture is by
Speaker 2: creating that pain point. That pain point ought to be
Speaker 2: You're going to pay your high tax bill until you
Speaker 2: elect good conservatives who recognize that that money is not
Speaker 2: you know, Sacramentos or New York Cities, it's your money, exactly,
Speaker 2: get it in your pocket.
Speaker 1: But I think that was the original idea behind the
Speaker 1: concept of capping it. You know, I mean, they will say, no, Moss,
Speaker 1: I cannot afford the outrageous tax bill I'm paying because
Speaker 1: I no longer can deduct this these taxes from my
Speaker 1: federal income taxes. We need to get people out of office,
Speaker 1: we need to have our taxes lowered. So it just
Speaker 1: didn't happen, Donovan. That's just it just didn't happen. So
Speaker 1: now they got a little more flexibility. Although it is
Speaker 1: capped at five hundred thousand dollars annual income, correct, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Think it's a little just a little higher than that,
Speaker 2: but yeah, there's something like that. So, you know, the progressives,
Speaker 2: the folks who say they're rich don't pay enough. I
Speaker 2: guess the retell continue to pay a little more in
Speaker 2: these coastal elite states. But yeah, I mean, I think
Speaker 2: that gets at a bigger problem though. It's something that
Speaker 2: you know, I think we need to continue to beat
Speaker 2: the drum on and be consistent. Is that, you know,
Speaker 2: the federal that we olfuscate the actual cost of government
Speaker 2: when we have these various deductions and credits and other things,
Speaker 2: and the salt I think is one of the ones
Speaker 2: that's in the mainstream conversation, and I think even beyond
Speaker 2: the passage of this bill, continuing to talk about that
Speaker 2: and what that the the distortion that that causes I
Speaker 2: think is important. And so you know, but you do
Speaker 2: what you got to do to get the votes. I guess, right,
Speaker 2: if you're don't envy the speaker and the.
Speaker 1: Role that he's in, well, I appreciate that it repealed
Speaker 1: some of the Inflation Reduction Act Green New Green New
Speaker 1: Deal programs, uh, the credits for electric vehicles, which I'm
Speaker 1: not a fan of.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I think you know, one of the
Speaker 2: things that you know, we will get you to point to,
Speaker 2: and I think in the Senate is an area that
Speaker 2: there's still opportunity probably to identify some additional savings and
Speaker 2: cost reductions here is in the inflation Reduction Act. Right,
Speaker 2: these subsidies, these great Energy New Deal programs that you know,
Speaker 2: the Biden administration put in, are you know, harmful and
Speaker 2: costly to the America public. And we're underscored and the
Speaker 2: cost they would be by the Congressional Budget Office. We
Speaker 2: underestimated the impact of those to the national debt. And
Speaker 2: so I think that's an area that you know, was
Speaker 2: also up for discussion in the House. Unfortunately, they saw
Speaker 2: the light and said, yeah, we're gonna We're gonna end
Speaker 2: a lot of these subsidies. Hopefully, you know, whatever's left
Speaker 2: over the Senate can can tackle and take care of well.
Speaker 1: And speaking of the Senate, I know Raan Paul came
Speaker 1: out in strong opposition to increase in the nation's debt limit.
Speaker 1: By what did the final bill have it for a
Speaker 1: four trillion dollar increase or is it five? I know
Speaker 1: it started out at five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think those those the CBO estimates somewhere around
Speaker 2: there in there. But I think one thing that's important
Speaker 2: right in the CBO estimates is they continually get this wrong.
Speaker 2: The CBO gets this wrong right, And so I think
Speaker 2: what you really need to be paying attention to. We've
Speaker 2: seen more and more members begin to call that out
Speaker 2: because the tactic that our opponents utilize very well to
Speaker 2: slow roll tax reform, but we use very ineffectively to
Speaker 2: stop bills like the Inflation Reduction Act from happening. They
Speaker 2: got they underestimated the Inflation Reduction Act by uh I
Speaker 2: think they said the CBO said it would the national
Speaker 2: or the deficit, sorry, by eighty billion dollars. Ultimately, recent
Speaker 2: scoring of it has shown that it's actually increased the
Speaker 2: national deficit by something like three hundred to five hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty two billion dollars. And so they get these
Speaker 2: numbers wrong a lot. And I think the thing we
Speaker 2: want to remain focused on with this bill, right is
Speaker 2: it operates from the premise that this is our money
Speaker 2: out Washington's. So tax cuts aren't don't contribute to the
Speaker 2: national debt. Tax cuts go into our pockets. We invest
Speaker 2: that money in the economy, and Washington sees that money
Speaker 2: come back. We hit five trillion dollars in federal revenues
Speaker 2: this year, right, five trillion dollars in money the government's
Speaker 2: taking out of our pockets and putting into Washington DC.
Speaker 2: We don't have a spending problem in Washington. We a,
Speaker 2: we don't have a revenue generation problem, we have a
Speaker 2: spending problem, and yeah, we need to get that under control.
Speaker 2: And centators like rand Paul pointing that out are an
Speaker 2: important part of getting the culture shift happen.
Speaker 1: Well, I presume the next call to action is going
Speaker 1: to be pressure on senators. Where do you see this
Speaker 1: shaking out? Well, let's just hypothetically say Ran Paul gets
Speaker 1: his way and they put in a lot more cuts
Speaker 1: to federal spending. They don't raise the nation's debt limit
Speaker 1: as much, or perhaps don't raise it at all. They
Speaker 1: get rid of the salt increase and take it back
Speaker 1: to ten grand or something, some of the things that
Speaker 1: a lot of these senators have advocated for. And it
Speaker 1: goes back to the House with those in it. And
Speaker 1: then you got the Republicans who are hold out saying no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not getting my way. Does it then collapse? Does
Speaker 1: it then collapse? And we we're back to square one?
Speaker 2: Donovan, Well, failure isn't an option here from the very beginning.
Speaker 2: Failure isn't an option. Right, So the same proverbial gun
Speaker 2: that's to the head of the sub of the US Senate,
Speaker 2: right that if you fail to get this done, Americans
Speaker 2: are going to see a tax increase occur. That exists
Speaker 2: even if the Senate is able to accomplish a lot
Speaker 2: of those goals, and it goes back to the House,
Speaker 2: right that the House still needs to get that done.
Speaker 2: Right because at the end of the day, this is
Speaker 2: what I'm making permanent, the Trump tax cuts. And so,
Speaker 2: you know, I think through this process, right, it's never beautiful.
Speaker 2: You know, even when you're dealing with one big beautiful bill,
Speaker 2: it's never beautiful. It never looks good, it's never very comfortable.
Speaker 2: But I think what we have is that opportunity to
Speaker 2: send it to get an even better product that then
Speaker 2: goes to the House and the members have the same
Speaker 2: there's still the same calculus they have today. They have
Speaker 2: to get this done or else the American people are
Speaker 2: going to see a tax increase. The average American will
Speaker 2: see Ohio and I'll see a tax increase of fifteen
Speaker 2: hundred dollars per year if Congress fails to act. And
Speaker 2: so that's the mission, that's what they've got to get done,
Speaker 2: and we'll continue to hold them accountable, feet to the
Speaker 2: fire and focused on getting that accomplished. In this bill
Speaker 2: to the President's desk, ideally by the fourth of July.
Speaker 1: Well, my popcorns out and I'm waiting.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The one thing that's it's rarely brought up, and being
Speaker 1: a firearms enthusiast, myself and a lot of my listeners
Speaker 1: appreciate the Second Amendment right to keep them bare arms,
Speaker 1: the gun suppressors. That it got rid of the two
Speaker 1: hundred dollar tacks on the gun suppressor. Has it removed
Speaker 1: them completely? Are Are they no longer subject to an
Speaker 1: FFL background check and approval from the government.
Speaker 2: Ooh, I am not as dotant on that that piece
Speaker 2: as you and so care listeners might be. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just know that they were they that two hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: There well a lot of good things in it, not
Speaker 1: enough is from my perspective. But then you know, I
Speaker 1: just I watch us with this existential threat of overspending,
Speaker 1: and no one is willing to, you know, tear the
Speaker 1: band aid off and say, you know what, we just
Speaker 1: can't continue down this road, and this bill in large part,
Speaker 1: continue this down this the same profigate spending mode, and
Speaker 1: hopefully the Senate will transform it and the House will
Speaker 1: pass whatever the Senate passes, but we've got Donovan and
Speaker 1: Neon Americans for Prosperity there to help us push it
Speaker 1: along the way. What's the call to action for my
Speaker 1: listeners today, Donovan, Well.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we need you to go to protect Prosperity dot com.
Speaker 2: Protect Prosperity dot Com. That's been our overarching campaign from
Speaker 2: the beginning this year to make the Trump tax huts permanent.
Speaker 2: That's what'll remain laser focused on getting done. And always
Speaker 2: appreciate your listeners who chip in and help by reaching
Speaker 2: out to their senators, their congressman to drive that very
Speaker 2: message you're sharing there, Brian, right, that we need a
Speaker 2: good product, we need to rent in our debt, we
Speaker 2: need to make the tax huits permanent, and we need
Speaker 2: to unleash American opportunity and prosperity once again. And that's
Speaker 2: what you do by going to protect Prosperity dot Com.
Speaker 1: Protect Prosperity dot com, get on, get over there, help out,
Speaker 1: get in touch with your elected officials, and let's get
Speaker 1: this job done. Dot van Neil, thanks for all that
Speaker 1: you do at Americans for Prosperity. I appreciate hearing from
Speaker 1: me every week and look forward to next week with
Speaker 1: another report. Always good chatting with you, Brian, have a
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