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your support. All Right, deep breath, everybody, let's talk about Signal. Well,
not actually the platform. I don't really know anything about it.
It's just like a messaging platform. And apparently it promises
like you know, encryption, so it's more secure something and
you can have all of your conversations deleted on a
schedule or deleted immediately, that kind of thing. It's like
what's app? Doesn't what? Or no, sorry, Snapchat does that too?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: The messages delete. So apparently there was a snap Chat,
so if you're not aware or not Snapchat, there was
a Signal group chat that was set up and a
bunch of people in the Trump administration cabinet level, like
top officials, were in this group chat and they were
going over the plan to bomb the Houties. No Blowfish
were harmed in any of the bombing runs. Okay, the
Hooties over in Yemen. These are the Islamists who literally
have on their flag like death to the Jews and
death to America. Like literally it says that on their flick.
So we may never know what their motivations are for
why they started, you know, lobbing rockets at the shipping lanes,
trying to hit all sorts of commercial and private and
even military ships. I think it might have something to
do with their religion, but I'm not sure. I don't
want to just be you know, spitballing with wild accusations.
So they have. They've been engaged in this campaign basically
since October seventh because they stand in solidarity with the
HAMAS terrorists, the designated Foreign terrorist Organization HAMAS. They stand
with HAMAS, and so they are they're also like a
proxy of Iran, much like Hezbollah, who also started shelling Israel.
That was the whole point of HAMAS launching its incursion
into Israel, massacring a bunch of Israelis and whoever happened
to be in their way, just murdering and raping all
the way through the area. And then the idea was
to draw all of their Iranian allies, Iranian backed allies
into a fight against Israel. Why. Well, the conventional wisdom,
the thinking is that the Abraham Accords that Trump signed
four years prior has been bearing fruit, and it is
warming relations with certain Muslim countries in the Middle East.
And so these countries that are warming to America and
even to Israel, that that is an existential threat to
the Iranian regime. They are opposite of the Sunni Muslim
countries because Iran is Shia. By the way, you should
just eliminate the word Shi'ite from your vocabulary. It's apparently
not a They're Shia, Shia, and Sunni. So you've got
this power dynamic in the Middle East. Iran wants to
be more of a regional power, and the other Muslim
countries do not want to see that. And so as
they begin warming to America and Israel, Iran's like, oh,
we can't have that. And so this was supposed to
trigger a larger conflagration in the area and to prevent
anybody from dealing positively with Israel. So that's what the
Hooties are doing this for right. They're there and they're
launching all of these rockets, usually from the shores, I
understand it into the shipping lanes. So America decides we're
going to protect the shipping lanes. And by the way,
if you don't understand the importance of protecting international shipping
like this is the stuff that leads to large scale war.
If you if you cannot protect maritime vessels that you
need to have free passage in the in the waters,
if there is no penalty for piracy, then international trade
is done. Basically, you got to have the ability to
float through without with all of the merchandise going someplae
and so America has protected those maritime passages for a
very long time, along with some help from allies. But
basically it's fallen onto America. And you may not like that,
but that is kind of the way it's been.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So this this meeting is set up, this chat group
chat is set up apparently by Michael Waltz. That's the understanding.
Michael Waltz. He is Donald Trump's national security advisor. I
don't know if it was him, I don't know if
it was one of his people. Here's another thing, I've
not seen is whether or not they used a pre
existing group, right, a pre existing group that was already
set up. I don't know. I don't think that could
be the case. But to me, I would like to
know who the hell has Jeffrey Goldberg's name in their
contacts list? Why would you have that guy in your
contacts list? You know who Goldberg is, right, Goldberg is
the guy that wrote the story about the suckers and losers,
remember that one, the discredited story, And he wrote that story.
This is Jeffrey Goldberger. And like a lot of people suggest,
I have no idea if this is true, that he's
a cutout basically for the Obama CIA crew. So whenever
they want to leak stuff through into the media that
comes out of the intelligence community, if you're in the
Obama wing, then you go through Goldberg among others. Somehow
or another, Goldberg gets added to this group, probably because
he's got the same initials as somebody else that was
supposed to be invited but wasn't. JAG. And so when
I guess on the app, when you're looking to add people,
you see the little circle and they have the initials
JG or whatever, and you click on, and so they
added Jeffrey Goldberg. It seems to me like the most
because I'm an Okkham's raiser kind of a guy. The
most obvious answer is probably the simplest one, which is
that they did not mean to put him in that
group chat. That was unintentional. They fat fingered the thing,
or they you know, maybe he didn't have his readers on,
and so he just he looked at the phone and
hit the wrong person whatever, and they add in Jeffrey Goldberg.
And now he sees this stuff, and he at first
says he at first does not believe that this was
actually the people that it now turns out it was.
He thought that it was. It could be like a scam,
It could be like a James O'Keefe kind of an
operation to make him do a story that wasn't true.
But it turns out it was true. This actually did occur.
There was a group chat message, and he was added
incorrectly into it, erroneously into it, and then he got
apprized of all of these plans. And so now the
outrage right, and so Democrats are all about getting themselves
another impeachment against Donald Trump, who, by the way, was
not part of the group chat. They they're they're calling
for everybody to quit. They want yeah, they want resignations
from everybody that was involved. By the way, the operation
was a success. It went off without a hitch. That
that doesn't mean it wasn't compromised. It was because you
brought in Jeffrey Goldberg. But Goldberg didn't report on any
of this stuff. Now, maybe that's because he thought it
was all a scam. Maybe he thought it was a lie.
He wasn't sure. But when he saw that they were
getting ready to launch in about two hours, he says,
he hung out in a parking lot at some grocery
store and he went on to x Twitter and he
saw that we were bombing and that's when he knew
it was real. So he only knew what was real
after and then he wrote a story about it, and
this story was published yesterday, And that's what everybody is
focused on now, is about how could this have happened? Well,
obviously I think it was a mistake. Surely they would
not have put him in the group chat. There's no
reason to put him in the group chat, right unless
you were trying to what leak the plans ahead of
time to Jeffrey Goldberg. The FBI says it's doing an investigation.
Cash Mattel said that today when he was up on
Capitol Hill at a hearing, Tolcy Gabbert says there was
no classified information in it. Pointing out here, I feel
it's necessary got to point out that just because well,
a thing is not classified because it is marked classified,
it is classified because of the nature of the And
I am consistent on this explanation, which by the way,
goes back to twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, when it was
Hillary Clinton and she had exposed all sorts of classified
information on her server that had like no security on
it whatsoever. So like the stuff that was classified that
was moving through her server via the emails and such. Yeah,
so Democrats are now saying we don't ever want to
hear anything else about Hillary's emails because you guys did
it too. Now, I think there is a difference in
erroneously including a guy in a group chat and creating
building a home brew server so you can control all
the information and then you can wipe it all away
and it's irretrievable. That's the point of creating a server,
not using like a Gmail account or something, because that's
Google servers now. They share a similarity in that they
expose the classified material or the sensitive material. They expose
it to potential hackers. If anybody knew that this was
going on, they could have gotten into that and seen
it in real time. It does not appear that occurred,
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go to the phones now, Tom, Welcome to the program.
Hello Tom, Hello, how you thank you so much, sir,
thank you.
Speaker 4: Listen, let's just be perfectly clear. Headspaff and his staff,
they dropped the ball. They put on nation at risk,
and people are wondering, well, he still is drinking or not,
So we'll make it fair whether he's drinking or not.
They dropped the ball. And national security is not a
democratic thing, left or right or Republican thing. National security
covers all Americans so they made a mistake. And I
think about President Biden's chief of staff that had the
same job that Husteff had when he was sick and
went to the hospital and didn't report it. They made
a big federal case out of it.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a federal case. There was no federal case.
Speaker 4: Now congressional case.
Speaker 1: He yeah, they wanted to know why you went a wall,
which is the big deal.
Speaker 4: And we're wondering why these guys put our nation at risk,
and there's no excuse for it. There's no excuse, not
Democratic Republicans.
Speaker 1: So real just hang on toime, let me hang on toime.
They got to stop you real quick because you've said
it his name a couple of times. Pete Hegseth. He's
the Defense Secretary. But the guy who created the group chat,
that would be Michael Waltz, the National Security Advices.
Speaker 4: All of them who were in that group chat should
be reprimanded, all of them and the guy have put
together and I thank god the man brought it out.
It's wrong and it's not a Democrat or a Republican thing.
But the bottom line is this, did you have.
Speaker 1: A problem with the Defense secretary going a wall? With
hushtaff doing no, no, no, no, I mean Tom, I'm
asking whether or not you have a consistent standard. Basically,
were you mad? Were you angry.
Speaker 4: That I think that he should have apologized and he did,
and I think these guys should apologize. I'm not trying
to play word games, because I'm just straight up to
the point. I'm a loyal American before I'm a Democrat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm asking. That's why I was asking you
straight up whether or not you had a problem with
the Defense Secretary going a wall while we were in
the middle of three different international operations.
Speaker 4: As to the American people like he was supposed when
these guys need to apologize and they need to be reprimanded.
But let me finish this and then I'll let you
twisted or spend however you want to do it. D
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Speaker 1: It seems like a good faith argument. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 4: These DEI guys, these DEI guys, they could have did
a much better job than this group chat playing. And
I thank god that this report or whoever he was,
brought it forth. And that's all I gotta play. And
that's my story, and I promise you I'm sticking to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fantastic. Uh huh, all right, Tom, I appreciate
the call. See here's the thing, Tom, you would do
way better in those types of conversations if you approached
it at least with the sort of facade of a
good faith mentality, Because here's the thing, like, I I
want to know what happened as well, and what have
I always cautioned here, Like, let's give it a minute,
Let's find out what happened, and hopefully we get some clarity,
and when we know what occurred, then we'll be able
to say what we think should happen. It does seem
to me like it was a mistake. But there's also
the larger question of why are they doing this stuff
in the signal group messaging, And to me, they're doing
that in order to avoid having that having those discussions
ever become preserved as part of the record, and that's
a problem for me. That should, like these types of
discussions should be held in a skiff in a secure
location over secured comms, and then the records preserved. Now
I don't know, nobody knows at this point whether or
not they did make a record of this conversation and
then preserve it, which you could do in order to
preserve the records, like that's possible, but we don't know
if that occurred. All right, if you're listening to this show,
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get Joey on. Hello, Joey, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: Hey Pete. First of all, I wonder if mister Tom
got this upset when we lost thirteen of our heroes
from the incompetence of the Biden administration. I highly doubt it.
Speaker 1: Nobody lost their jobs for that.
Speaker 5: Nope, nope, nope. So I'm calling about the you know,
the CJ initials and all that, and I think there's
only two options here. Either there's a male within with
I hope not and I doubt it, or there was
a mistake made with whoever you know the initials of CJ.
And if that's the mistake, let's find out who the
real CJ is they.
Speaker 1: I have seen the name. It's the Yeah, the initials
are the same as somebody else who is in the
security apparatus. I forget her name, but she yeah, so
like that's it is likely that's what occurred that they
they fat fingered the contact list and added JG. Jeffrey
Goldberg when they should have. I forget her name. I
had never heard of her before. But uh, there's some
of the internet salutes have deduced who she who she is,
and and that that's who should have been in the
group chat.
Speaker 5: Oh good, Well that's the answer. I think they should
say that under oath when they're up there doing that, right,
it was a mistake and that's who it should have been,
and and answered my question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel I mean, I'm.
Speaker 5: I'm glad there is to hear one with that initial
that should have.
Speaker 1: Been on it. Yeah, that's the way it appears at
this point, Joey. I appreciate the call, but I sir, uh,
this is a message from tim Otao who says, dear Democrats, sorry,
it was a mistake. It will be addressed and remedied. No,
we are not going to empty Trump's cabinet to further
the Democrats' agenda. Get over it, right, Let's just apply
the Democrats standard, shall we. Yeah, I'm okay with that. Look,
I did not approve of the Democrats standard when the
Democrats were behaving badly. I didn't approve of that. But
I lost that argument to Democrats and the media. But
I repeat myself, and so here we are, and I
warned people. You're not going to like it when this
is the new standard. Right. That's the thing about slippery
slopes when you have as Jeffrey Goldberg I think in
his piece he even mentions, I think you mentioned or no,
maybe no, it was the AP. I think it was
the AP.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The handling of national defense information is strictly governed by
law under the century old Espionage Act, including provisions then
make it a crime to remove such information from its
quote proper place of custody, even through an act of
gross negligence. The Justice Department in twenty fifteen and twenty
sixteen investigated whether former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton broke
the law by communicating about classified information with her AIDS
on a private email server that she had set up,
though the FBI ultimately recommended against charges and none were brought.
And so that's the standard. I'm sorry, did you guys
not want that standard, because it seemed like you really
really wanted that standard. Everybody seemed to say that it
was all getting blown out of proportion. Oh, bottery emails
and all this stuff. They didn't bring charges, She didn't
suffer any penalty legally, I mean, she lost her run
for president and they blamed Jim Comey, which I think
is pretty instructive and illustrative of the point I am making,
which is that the Democrats did not feel that she
should be punished whatsoever. And the fact that she lost
and they blamed somebody else for investigating her crime, which
she was never prosecuted for, right that that's somehow the reason,
not the fact that she engaged in the behavior. Also,
she was just a terrible candidate and didn't campaign in Wisconsin,
so there are a lot of different reasons why she lost.
But that's the standard you guys set, and I'm not
really interested now in hearing your demands to revert to
the standard that existed prior to your gal getting caught.
Right If that's the If the argument is that they
should not have been using the signaled app well, I
agree with that. I don't think they should have been
using that they should have been doing this stuff over
a secure, secure communication channel. But when you're doing it
and then you get caught doing it, the standard is
that you don't suffer any kind of repercussions. And there
are all sorts of examples of this over the last
ten years since the Hillary Clinton server story, blew up.
Anybody ever get punished for the botched withdrawal in Afghanistan? No,
no repercussions for that. Thirteen service members were killed. Nobody
who's punished? They never even mentioned it again. Um caller
Tom mentioned Lloyd Austin, the former Secretary of Defense who
went a wall for weeks during three different operations that
were ongoing at the time. Nobody knew where he was,
not even the President. No, to be fair, the president
didn't really know where he was, so alone Lloyd Austin.
But still like, you should be able to get in
contact with the Defense secretary while you're running these ops.
They and they didn't, They couldn't. He just apologized, he
said I'm sorry, and that was it. It's okay, that's
the standard now, just say you're sorry, guys, sorry, are bad,
won't do it again. Okay, let's move on. Right to me,
it seems like that's the standard that now applies to me. Also,
the bigger issue is why did whoever set this group
chat up? Which we don't know, but it seems to
track back to Michael Waltz, the NSA, the National Security Advisor.
It seemed like that was the origin, the creator of
the group. Did he do that? Did he create the group?
Or did he have some underling do it? Did he
have some aid? Do it? Is that the person who
gets thrown under the bus? Does anybody get thrown under
the bus? Like democrats? Dare I say it? I know
this might be a bit controversial, but I'm gonna say it.
Democrats seem to be pouncing. I'm just saying they seem
a little bit pouncy right now. They're seizing on it. Now,
not that that's being used in any of the the
articles about this, but they're they're simply according to the media,
they're calling on and they're they're saying they're not pouncing
and they're not seizing. But I got to tell you,
I feel like they're pouncing and seizing. Maybe they maybe
they take it to like seizing level two or something,
and that's when we'll start seeing this word used. But
they are demanding that people resign and get impeached and
get charged and all of that, and like those are
the old standards. Guys, you blow those up. It's like
the filibuster. Remember when y'all blew that up? I do
you blew that up? New standard applies and now you
don't like it. See, that's the thing. You're dealing with
people who are not arguing in good faith. And this
is why you got Donald Trump, folks, this is why.
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Dot com. Democrats are calling for Pete Hagg's have to resign. No,
he should not resign based on the standard of Hillary
Clinton and the Democrats and the media. Right, that's the standard.
You don't have to suffer any kind of repercussions for
doing this sort of thing. None. They gave out pardons
to Chelsea Manning so or what was his name before
the sex change? I forget. I totally would have dead
named him if I remembered, but I just don't even
remember his name anyway. Then there's this the guy who
wrote this piece, Jeffrey Goldberg. I mentioned he was the
one who did the story at the Atlantic. He is
the editor in chief of the Atlantic, and he was
the one that did the story about how Donald Trump
told his chief of staff a decorated Marine Corps veteran
Kelly was his last name, forget his first name, Richard maybe.
And they're standing in Arlington National Cemetery and Trump says,
look at all the suckers and losers, What did they'd
even die for? What was the point of it? Or
whatever like and that story. And then when Goldberg, when
people went on the record and said that never happened,
Goldberg claimed that he had other sources and then never
produced them. And so now Goldberg is saying that there
was classified information in the in the text messaging, but
the Trump administration officials, Tulsa Gabbard specifically said there was
not any classified information in the text messages. So who's who? Okay,
so there's no classified information, So Goldberg should release them.
He should release what he's got. He took screenshots, so
release them. They just said it's not classified. The attack
already occurred, right, this was what ten days ago, so
it already happened. You're not jeopardizing anybody now, So go
ahead and show us what you have, Goldberg. Or is
this another suckers and losers thing where you get some
information and then you spin out a whole yarn piggybacking
off of this one thing. Yeah, and here's the thing,
hag Seth coming out and attacking Goldberg as a deceitful
so called journalist or whatever it was, that I have
it here someplace? The uh hm, where was it here? Well,
it doesn't matter, haig Seth trashed Goldberg, and that's just
attacking the messenger, right, and there's no benefit in doing
that because he was in the group chat. He was there.
The officials have confirmed it, the White House confirmed it.
When Goldberg left the group chat. He then sent messages
to the National Security Council, and Brian Hughes said, quote,
this appears to be an authentic message chain, and we
are reviewing how an inadvertent number was added to the chain.
The thread is a demonstration of the deep and thoughtful
policy coordination between senior officials. The ongoing success of the
Uti operation demonstrates that there were no threats to troops
or national security, which, by the way, that's something also
to keep in mind here is that it was a success, right.
I mean, the Trump administration is saying the Huti terrorist
since twenty twenty three attacked US Navy warships one hundred
and seventy four times, attacked commercial shipping vessels one hundred
and forty five times, and as a result, seventy five
percent of US flag shipping has been forced to navigate
the southern coast of Africa rather than through the Suez Canal.
And so it was a successful operation. But attacking Goldberg
like that. You should have just said, yeah, I don't know.
I was in the group chat, and if somebody got added,
they weren't supposed to be in there, that's you know
that I didn't add them. But yeah, obviously that was
a mistake. Just say, oh it was a mistake. Move on.
All right, Let's see what Alex has to say. Hello, Alex,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, hi Pete. Yeah, I was listening to you
talk about this message and one kind of get put
a few cents cents then I'm actually listened to some
of the testimony. Tilta Garberg chicklare refuse to answer really
a lot of any questions about that.
Speaker 1: What did she answerr? What did she answer about the classified.
Speaker 2: He refused to answer. That's that's being reviewed right now.
Speaker 1: Now that's not true, I mean, Alex, that's not true. No, Alex,
that's not true. I literally watched it. I watched it
as I was sitting in the studio. Oh no, I mean,
I'm pretty good at watching government meetings. I've been doing
it for almost thirty years, so I'm pretty good at
listening to people say what they say. And she said
there was no classified information in there.
Speaker 3: Okay, well here here's the thing though, But they are
using this app that they were not supposed to use, right, No,
I agree with that Trump.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So if Trump is you know, I mean, he's on
record saying that anybody in my administration's called using any
kind of apps that unapproved, there's going to be consequences.
But there are no consequences.
Speaker 3: And I guess where you're coming from with regards to
Hillary and whatnot, that Democrats didn't do anything. But then
you know, of course Trump did win the election after that,
and he didn't do anything at Clinton.
Speaker 2: That's besides the point.
Speaker 3: So I guess my question is, you know, if Republicans
claiming to be better than Democrats in this particular situation,
why wouldn't they act so what they said they would do.
Speaker 1: Because I can answer, I'll answer you. Yeah, I can
answer that real quickly. For you, the charge of hypocrisy
carries no purchase any longer. None of that matters because
because Republicans tried to play along with this idea that
if you said one thing but did the opposite, that
you would get pillar read for it in the media
and in elections and such. And then they learned very
quickly that that's not the case. They were disabused of
that in the twenty ten to twenty sixteen timeframe, and
again that's how you got Donald Trump. And then it
only got worse after that. So Republicans are no longer
playing by the old rules. They're playing by the Democrats rules.
And I said, you're not going to like it when
they're all playing by the same rules. All right, that'll
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