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that's like four dollars in America. Now because of the

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brexits coming to your ears. Now, what's up, Friendoz, and

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welcome into the End League Fantasy Football Podcast. I'm the

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Welsh that is Scott Bogman, and today we talk about

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bus kind of bus though now the bus is actually

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expecting now that different kind of bus, the exact bus

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that you are expecting, not the one that Bogman has

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an incognito mode on his Internet. We are talking about

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potential fantasy football bus like the breakouts and sleepers. This

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is not designed where we are going to sit here

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and just list off five names a piece of players

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that we think are going to bust. What we're actually

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going to do is we are going to do a

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couple things. We are going to take the Fantasy pros

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is this interesting marker. It's built in the coding where

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we've designed players where they've got like five marks, and

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it's this has the upside and this is the bus potential,

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and there's multitude of factors that go into it. So

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we've taken the identifier and Fantasy Pros with a higher

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bus potential at each position. We're going to go through

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those players and we will just discuss if we're a

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buyer seller on certain groups of said bus players. And

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then also we've got projections that differ from ECR, So

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a couple players each position that have wide range differences

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between how they're being ranked and what the projection puts

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out and is that potentially a sign of a bust

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if they're being ranked higher. So it is a lot

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of bust talk without us throwing our busts in your face.

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Speaker 1: You know, we can make more money that way only bush. Yeah, Look,

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there's a lot of bus potential here. We're gonna go

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over the ones that have been listed. Any player that

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is in that that is considered a starter for you,

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whether it's like yo, your two rbs, a FLEXRB, your

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three wide receivers, a flex wide receiver. I think any

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of these guys, if they don't pan out, they get hurt,

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whatever reason, they get pushed off of their targets or

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whatever it is, they can end up being a bus

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But it is hard to pick through who those guys

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are exactly. Not everybody agrees either. So we're just gonna

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go through the potential busts and that we actually think

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will bust that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we got some categories of them specifically with

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running back and wide receiver. You know, here's first round, here,

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second round. So a lots of players for different reasonings

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could have some potential bust potential. And that is the

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discussion for today. Want to remind you guys, if you

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also know by the way none of that might be

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of interest to you. We have absolutely had people that

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just literally want to be nice in support and they

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don't want to be a part of the stuff. You

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just because it's called the il Army doesn't mean

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you're actually enlisting. You don't have to force you to

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do anything.

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Speaker 2: We will know, we will not we will not call,

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we will not make calls or anything like that. So

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I have a funny story I was about to say,

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but it's it's say I almost got I like I

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got an attempt recruited one time about.

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Speaker 1: Tried to recruit me. Now, dude, we were we graduated

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high school in oh one, so we got the full

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court press like that summer.

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Speaker 2: It's not like you're walking by one of the stores

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or the guys in the malls. This was like direct call.

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right after nine to eleven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right after it was I got that call every

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month my dad.

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Speaker 2: So people don't know my dad died two months before

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I was born, and he was in the military. And

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it wasn't due to the military, by the way. It

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was an off hand job working on like satellites and stuff.

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And they called and this guy is giving me the

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full court press, and I don't know what was in me,

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but I was just like, yeah, my dad was in

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the military and he died. And then the then the

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guy stops the sales pitch and goes, I am so sorry, son.

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And then what he had assumed because it was in

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the general vicinity of like nine to eleven when it

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was around there, I didn't happen to mention that it

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was like twenty plus years ago, not when he was dealing,

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when he was out of the military and stuff like that.

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That was a pretty quick hang up, Like that was

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a pretty quick like we'll be thinking about you and

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thank you for your time and then click and it

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was like that shut that up really quick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, luckily the phone calls never got to me. My

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mom and my grandma hung up on him way before.

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I have to.

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Speaker 2: Say, but you know what, if you're serving God, bless you.

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I appreciate you. And hopefully and I know we've had

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plenty of people, we have people message us from military

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bases and stuff like that, so hopefully we can help

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you guys out. You're better than me. But I will

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always remember that story. That always, just that is ingrained

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in my head because I've never.

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Speaker 1: I think everyone eighteen to twenty five phone was ringing

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off the hook right after night.

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Speaker 2: But I've never heard some like someone's voice do the

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like tire screech, you know, like you're actually hearing someone go.

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But that was, like what happened in the conversation, pretty

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a very unique moment in my life to hear that

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conversation turn and immediately go out. So that just made

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me think of that that will not be the ideal army.

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Speaker 1: And we all known more about Welsh now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, twelve plus years of doing this podcast, you could

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probably piece together both of our lives relatively decent if

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you've been around the whole time. Otherwise, you're just gonna

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get little random tidbits that we don't mean much to you,

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you know, like he wrestling wrestling was very funny ten

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years ago, might.

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Speaker 1: Not mean much to you right now today, but you know, yeah,

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to teach them it embarrasses you. That's why I like it.

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Speaker 2: So we're far beyond that right now. We're far beyond.

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Speaker 1: But about that name? What was your wrestler's name? Again?

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Speaker 2: No, actually, don't listen. Not embarrassed, but we don't need

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to let the cat bag anything like that. Wouldn't need

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to do that.

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Speaker 1: Why is your face turning red right now? That's what

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happens when I'm totally normal and not ashamed.

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Speaker 2: You want to you want to hear it's it's very

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funny somebody. I can't say the exact thing, but I

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was telling.

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Speaker 1: My story deliciousness.

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Speaker 2: I was telling someone a story of something that happened

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on a podcast, and it was there he we careful

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is something that happened on a podcast that resulted in

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something not great for somebody and that person was like, oh,

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is that still out there? And I'm like, yeah, I'm

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pretty sure. Check this exact date. If people want to

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know the E Wrestling, you just got to go back like, oh,

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I don't know, twelve years ago on our podcast feed

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if we're even still there, and find the E Wrestling episode,

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which was like the third episode we ever did, and

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then I have replayed it over time.

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Speaker 1: But that's going to say that was like three apartments

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ago for me because I remember where I was. I

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think my neighbors thought I was passing out because I

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was laughing.

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Speaker 2: So I still lived in Arizona, NA, exactly. Gret So,

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all right, enough of that. The get to It crew

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is screaming, but we are going to get to it.

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So again, the Fantasy Pros Bust column is like a

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heavy marker for this, at least to create the conversation.

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When you go to the ranks page, you know, there's

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such of fun information, but then there's the upside five

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meters and then the bust five meters, and the bust

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is going to incorporate things like, you know, injury that

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are going to be in there, lack of production, potential, volatility.

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nice little kind of visual marker to be like, hey,

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this guy has some potential bust. Conversations go from hey,

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this guy could to this guy's absolute failure in when

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people are doing these type of things, and this is

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a whole host of names that can kind of live

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in that world. I do think there are some names

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a hyper focus because we're not going to mention all those,

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but we'll do a little bit of like are you

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buying or hey from this tee or who is the

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player that you think is going to bust more. We've also,

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as mentioned, got that projections versus ECR and I have

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tried to relatively stay median my whole career of doing this,

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where it's like there's a cost for everybody. I don't

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like to be the person that is black and white

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to say that this is going to be an absolute failure,

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but you do have to come to terms with like

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based on your feelings, sometimes you will just never own

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so you might as well just be like, yeah, there's

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no circumstance where this guy is going to be online.

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wasting your time, will get right to it, the bus

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Speaker 1: I generally come in at least fifteen minutes late. I

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use this that I just sort of space out for

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about an hour space out.

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Speaker 2: I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real actual work.

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Would you feel good, sport and indulge this and just

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tell us a little more.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something.

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Speaker 2: About in this league. All right, we are going to

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start with the top twelve running running backs in general.

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we are going to look at the first round there

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are four running backs. Now, the only question I have

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for you, though, and I could pull this up and

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take a look here, what was the marker? What did

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it have to be three or more? Because it's a

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five dots system, very advanced, four dots or more perfect

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because I see in the top twelve running backs there

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are four running backs that have the bus potential, which

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as this mentions here, I'll give you the exact it says, Hi,

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even using this it is higher risk due to injuries, atility,

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or uncertain usage based on consensus expert opinions. That is

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where the bust marker goes. In the first quote round

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or first twelve running backs. There are four guys that

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activate that four marker. It is Christian McCaffrey who is

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number three, Jonathan Taylor who is RB four, Devon ah

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Chan at six, and Ken Walker down at twelve. They

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have all activated that four marker here. None of them

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are five. And the interesting thing is all of them, though,

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have the four tag on the upside, which is the

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high ceiling potential due to role talent. So there's like

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a theoretical like contradict contradiction that's kind of maybe going

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on there. I think there's lots of things to talk

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kind of well known.

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Speaker 1: I do same thing with JT in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think the Christian McCaffrey one, and maybe

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whole four hundred touch thing is in is activated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that for JC two also, he's had

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ankle issues probably it's probably one hundred percent injury with CMC.

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I think it's eighty five percent injury for JT. Because

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of the carriers, you think you think.

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Speaker 2: The bus potential is one hundred percent with Christian McCaffrey

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is just injury.

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Speaker 1: Yes, see, it's not touches.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I think it has to do with the touches.

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I think it is seventy five percent injury and I

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think twenty five percent. Yeah, yeah, that Barkley narrative from

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last year of four hundred plus touches. Returning players absolutely

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do not perform.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, the magical hurt line is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the hurt line, the four hundred touch has been

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the magical hurt line. Yeah, to be fair, they were

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right last year. No, I'm not making fun of it.

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I'm just saying that is though. No I know, I know,

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but he has that activity. So that's why I'm saying

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I think McCaffrey's is injury, and the four hundred touch line.

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I think Jonathan Taylor's is kind of that injury line.

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Maybe also the offense that's a.

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Speaker 1: Little Daniel Jones stuff like that. That's a big question

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of when is he coming back and is he gonna

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have to face a lot of sack boxes. I think

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the two to concentrate here, oh yeah are a Chan

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in K nine and the most polarizing.

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Speaker 2: I literally it's funny because I just pulled up on

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Twitter someone talking about this. The most conversational piece of

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a bust player, the avoid this player this season tier

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tier tier Stevan A Chan. There is no player that

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sits on a different side of well sits on the

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majority of avoid and bust articles. While there is a

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decent amount of people defending. Last year average twenty point

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two fantasy points per game, thirteen hundred, rushing, had almost

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five hundred receiving seventeen twelve touchdowns between rushing and receiving

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is the six pack? But is on is it? I

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mean inferior team is It's kind of like a funny statement,

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like anything is probably better than Tua, I would guess.

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But you're no Hill, you have no Jaylen Waddle or

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receiving corps is decimated. It's a new scheme. It's just

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Devon ah Chan and you know, look Malik Willis and

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just a bunch of nomads and stuff, like, what is

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your take on it? Buy or sell that? Devon a

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chan is going to be a bust, and that means

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that guy has to decently underperform where they're being drafted.

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Speaker 1: So if you're always say he's a he's a bus

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if he's not an ARB one this year, is that fair? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like, if you're an RB six,

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I think it's got to be like eleven or twelve.

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But I think more of the appropriate answer is, like

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he's not a top twelve. The you have to avoid

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should be more that he can't be a top twelve

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running back.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. Yeah, I disagree with that. Like,

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I know, he's definitely gonna face a lot of stack boxes,

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but he faced a lot of stack boxes last year

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and was fine. I think Malik Willis gives him a

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little bit more room to run because Malik Willis is

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also going to run. So I just I I understand

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the panic because the offense is going to be bad

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and we think that everybody's gonna he went on him,

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kind of like Ashon Genty. Last year, Asha Genty, his

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downside was thirteenth best running back in half PPR. That's

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where he scored was thirteen. So you know, so if

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he's down inside here, yes, but I just don't think

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there's enough to lower him from. And he's not a

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guy that depends on a million touches either, So like

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every touch is going to be against an eight man box,

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so he'll set him up.

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Speaker 2: If you have him at six. So you probably already

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have this answer. But if I moved the chain and say,

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we loosely are using the word bus but like you

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made the wrong decision by taking de von Aschen because

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he is now the tenth scoring running back and not

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six or five, and you passed up you know who's

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you passed him up. He passed up Barkley, he passed

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up Chase Brown, a Marion Hampton, and he's now ten

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or eleven. If I move it to that mark or what,

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what would you say? The possibilities of that happening are

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versus him sticking around between you know, five, six, seven, eight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that if he if he is

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that bad, is it because I think it would probably

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be half him and then you know, uh, half him

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and then half the other guys performing well, like Derrick

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Henry is warning a bunch of touchdowns and not dropping

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down as far as we think. You know what I

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mean so I can see him getting there, but without

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an injury, I think it's gonna be. I think it's

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going to be somewhat of a normal year, maybe a

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little bit lower than last year. I expect him to

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be in that lower like mid to low end RB one,

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And if he doesn't finish in there, I'd say, yeah,

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he's probably he's at least didn't hold his value, maybe

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not be a complete bust, but he is not what

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you drafted him for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a little fadie for him, and I know

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that's not what we're doing here. It's more like the

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bus potentials and stuff. I'm a little in between where

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it's like I just I think it's it could be.

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I have Genti at one spot.

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Speaker 1: Ahead, Okay, do you want eight?

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Speaker 2: Seven? I mean everybody else? Okay, all right, Yah, I'm

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sorry I have him at eight. I'm sorry I have

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him at eight.

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Speaker 1: I have who's the other guy ahead of him?

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Speaker 2: Chase Brown?

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Speaker 1: Chase Brown? Okay, yeah, that's fair, like.

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Speaker 2: Better touchdown equity. I think this season better like yeah,

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better offense for sure, But do I really think he's

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gonna fall that much further down? I have questions about

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the offense so it's maybe a little bit more of

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like avoid where he's drafting than he is going to

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be a bust.

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Speaker 1: Like I kind of just not He's not a target

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for you. He's not like you would draft him if

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he fell, but he's probably not gonna fall, and you're

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probably not aiming for where he is.

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Speaker 2: He feels like he's a really tough guy to be

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a bust just because of his skill set. Now, what

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about ken Walker? Ken Walker is the other one. As

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you mentioned, he is ECR twelve. He goes to the

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Kansas City Chiefs very inconsistent in how things were worked

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last year injury more time, he only ended up with

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two hundred and twenty one carries in seventeen games, barely

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over a thousand yards. But he goes to Kansas City

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Chiefs offense that you know, when all healthy and running,

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if they allow him to be the main stable guy

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and don't do the weird switch up stuff and whatever

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which you presume by bringing him in, that's the case, dude,

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Kitty dude could absolutely roll. But people are kind of

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torn on him. So are you a buy or sell that,

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or do you buy that he is going to bust

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this year or do you think he's a safer option.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a bust for twenty twenty six. And

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the reason I say this is because he's being drafted

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as an RB one. And again this is another you know,

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splitting hairs a little bit. But I have him met

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RB fifteen, so I'm just I don't want to put

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him up there yet. I think there's a couple of

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things here. Is he going to have the most touches

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he's ever had, Yes, but the most touches he's ever had,

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you know before twenty twenty six was last year at

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two fifty two. Two fifty five was as high or

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two fifty five as a rookie actually was his most touches.

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So I think he has shown us in his four

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seasons in the NFL. If you give him the ball

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too much, he's going to get hurt. He's going to

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wear down, a breakdown. I think that's why you go

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out and you get an Emma Johnson, who is a

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dude that was I believe twelve in college football in

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touches last year. We know that dude can handle the

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workload should anything happen to Ken Walker. I also think

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that Emmit Johnson is probably the second best back in

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this roster already, So I just I also think there's

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questions about Mahomes starting week one. Everyone just assumes Mahomes

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week one, week one, week one?

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Speaker 2: Is it the It's like Justin Fields and they lean

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on the right, Yeah, it is Justin Field sucks.

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Speaker 1: Did you watch the Jets last year? He's terrible. Yes,

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it's bad. I mean he's awful. Yeah, the whole offense

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sucks without Patrick Mahomes, So yeah, that is really bad.

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So I don't I think Look, I think Mahomes miss

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is like a month at most, so back week five,

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that's fine. But I don't think Kenneth Walker is a

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guy that can handle three hundred touches in the NFL

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without breaking down. And I think the Chiefs need to

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play him like that. I think you go out and

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you get him to lead your running back room. But

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you can't be stupid and give him twenty five carries

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for the first month or twenty five touches a game

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for the first month, because Patrick Mahomes is out, he

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will break down. So I'm afraid of the breakdown after

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a big on track for Kenneth Walker.

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Speaker 2: So all right, the next the next tier is the

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there's there's actually six running backs that kind of fit

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this meter, which might really kind of worrisome, that have

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the four RB marker, which is kind of crazy. Uh,

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there's six of them, Javonte Williams, Cam Skataboo, Bucky Irving,

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quin Shawn Jutkins, Travon Henderson, and David Montgomery, all of

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them with the four bust tag on here and then

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trying to see they all still also have that kind

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of upside play. There isn't many or actually I'm sorry,

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there is one player, one player with the four bust

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marker to five on Fantasy pros that also has a

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negative upside, only a two upside, and that is Bucky Irving.

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Bucky Irving, And I think that's actually kind of funny

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because it's like I think when Bucky's healthy, I feel

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a lot different. But I think people are really torn

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in that, like he has these injuries that they brought

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in Ken Kenny Gamo really screws a lot of people

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up that he's just not going to be able to

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like jump past where he was. He did average thirteen

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point nine points per game last season, five hundred and

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eighty eight yards in ten games caught you know, balls

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and stuff like that, but he just can't stay out there.

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The upside one kind of throws me off. But he's

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a pretty pop again other polarizing, but busts are usually

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very polarizing. It's like, if people think this guy is

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gonna fail, there's gonna be other people like FITZI who

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are on the exact, exact opposite end. Do you buy

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that Bucky Irving is a bus candidate for this year

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or are you selling that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I it's not hard to see where he

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is because he was a bust last year. But I'm

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not going to count him out because I feel like,

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and I said this last year when he came back, right,

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I was like, I don't know when he comes back

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the run game has been working. I don't know that

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they give him, you know, a crazy amount of touches. Well,

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Week twelve comes around and he has seventeen carries and

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leads them immediately fifteen carries and two catches the next game.

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Then it was sixteen nineteen, you know, like he I

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doubted him and they went right back to giving him

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the rock. I don't think that's going to change too much.

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Is gain well going to be involved, sure, or ra

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Sean White was involved last year. I think we're just

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replacing ra Shad White with Kenny Gainwell. So I'm still

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fairly high on Bucky. I got him at eighteen, which

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is higher than his ZCR, so I obviously don't think

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he's going to be a bus I think also, you know,

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Baker Mayfield coming back healthy makes this offense better. So

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I think Tampa Bay's gonna have a better offense than

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people are giving him credit for.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big mecha guy this year, so I'm kind

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of with that. So then let me ask you this.

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Javonte Williams, Cam Scattaboo, quinch On Jutkins, Trevon Henderson, and

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Dave Montgomery, those are the other guys with this high tag.

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Which of these players do you think is the bus

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potential the highest bus potential all of them? And why

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is it cam'ska?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Cam Scataboo because he's coming off an injury

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and he's smaller and like played one year and had

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a horrific injury like that is probably.

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Speaker 2: What be is your assumption when you say that, like

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you're not like breaking because I missed time like he Yeah,

477
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,039
but like, oh, okay. I was also going to say,

478
00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:11,599
like if he plays the season, like, is this is

479
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:12,599
a guy that just some.

480
00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: Of the Yeah, it's only injury for Cam, only injury.

481
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,480
It's it like you watch him play, he's awesome.

482
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: The only reason I'm bringing that up is like Jake

483
00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:23,240
and I literally were talking today because Jake is like

484
00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:26,319
me and that he doesn't project injury. You project injury,

485
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,799
He does not project injury. I don't try to project injury.

486
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,119
It's fair to be like, this guy's injury prone, but

487
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,519
to like give a massive smack because we think an

488
00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:35,839
injury is gonna happen. I just I don't especially a

489
00:23:35,839 --> 00:23:36,200
guy that.

490
00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 1: Just I don't have any of these guys outside of

491
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,319
the RB two category though, so I don't really have

492
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,599
any of them busting to.

493
00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 2: Be Yeah, I mean Travion, I think would probably may

494
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,359
my guy just because like I said before, I think

495
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,240
you said in the last episode, I think he's super talented.

496
00:23:49,799 --> 00:23:52,279
I just think they've proven to us, like reminder, they

497
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,920
don't let that go. They're going to continue rolling over it.

498
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,039
It's a super successful pass offense now with AJ Brown

499
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,640
and Dobbs, I wouldn't be surprised if May runs a

500
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,680
little bit more, I'd love to see it, but I

501
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,119
haven't seen the trust in it. If I had to

502
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,279
pick one, it's probably him. I love Judkins this year.

503
00:24:08,319 --> 00:24:11,000
I like Irving, and I freaking love the Montgomery. I'm

504
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:13,079
shocked the Montgomery's even on this, to be honest.

505
00:24:12,839 --> 00:24:15,519
Speaker 1: But that's just age, and like, is he gonna be

506
00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:19,119
able to handle a full workload now at twenty nine

507
00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:23,200
or whatever? So I think Henderson has the best player

508
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,920
behind him right in Remondre. I think Andre is better

509
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,119
than Kenny gain Weell and I like Gainwell a lot.

510
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,720
And I think Javante is probably the guy with the

511
00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:36,640
worst backfield behind him with no competition. I mean, you

512
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,920
could also say Montgomery with what he marks, wasn't that

513
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,279
great last year. So but I think those guys are

514
00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:45,039
safe just because there's no one else pushing them at all.

515
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,000
It's Gottaboo has Tyrone Tracy there. Devin Singletary is not

516
00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:50,119
a nothing, but he's kind of a nothing for us.

517
00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:54,160
But I don't really find any of these guys to

518
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,319
be someone that I would call a likely bust.

519
00:24:58,759 --> 00:25:01,599
Speaker 2: So is cam that one that you're probably fading? If

520
00:25:01,599 --> 00:25:05,240
you had a fader in there because me, I'm probably

521
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,880
I'm fading Travion. I might be fading Cam. To be

522
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,799
honest with you, there, I'm sorry, Yeah, yeah, Travion and Cam.

523
00:25:13,519 --> 00:25:15,519
I'm actively targeting Dave Montgomery.

524
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: It would be between Cam and Quinn Sewan for me,

525
00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:22,359
and that's because they're both coming off major injuries and

526
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,880
they both play for less than stellar offenses. Those would

527
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,000
be the guys that if I had to pick, it's

528
00:25:28,039 --> 00:25:31,480
probably between those two. Probably is Cam though.

529
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 2: All right, twenty five with Euring thirty seven in here

530
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,720
as well. This is a group of eight players that

531
00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:40,920
have the potential bust tag on them. I don't know

532
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,279
if I can do a quick eye I can tell

533
00:25:43,319 --> 00:25:47,759
you there are three players that lack the upside play

534
00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:49,680
on them, and I'll tell you as we go. Basehill,

535
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,279
Tuton Eastier twenty five has got the four Jendarium Price

536
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,440
Jalen Warren, Tony Pollard, R. J. Harvey, kalaman On, Guy JK.

537
00:25:57,559 --> 00:26:00,680
Dobbins and Aaron Jones all have that four bus tag.

538
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,279
I think you missed one, though you missed Chuba Hubbard,

539
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:06,000
who also has the four. Maybe that just happened, by the.

540
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,319
Speaker 1: Way, Maybe that was subconsciously.

541
00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:14,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, well, Cuba, Cuba, RJ. Harvey, have and Aaron

542
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,960
Jones are the three lowest. Aaron Jones has the lowest

543
00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:20,400
upside of any play. It's a one star. I'm gonna

544
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,440
just uose stars as a such same lines.

545
00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, with r J.

546
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 2: Harvey and Chuba, Hubbard is the low So not only

547
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,319
are they warning you, that's maybe a key marker because

548
00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:32,559
a lot of these are like four upside for whatever data.

549
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:36,640
When you see low upside with high bus potential, Cuba

550
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,519
and RJ. Harvey jump out. Cuba probably one. Obviously from

551
00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:42,519
the last episode, you are going to be super against.

552
00:26:42,599 --> 00:26:45,000
I'm more for. You're gonna be more against.

553
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: I mean you bat twelve hundred yards and ten touchdowns

554
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,759
in twenty twenty four and then a calf injury early

555
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:52,519
in October, and Rico was good. I just I don't

556
00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:55,079
understand the no upside there. That's crazy to me.

557
00:26:56,319 --> 00:26:59,319
Speaker 2: What do you think about the RJ. Harvey one? Because

558
00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:01,839
you're kind of an RG A Harvey guy, there's there's

559
00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:02,720
a little upside.

560
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: No, don't don't say that. Don't don't do that.

561
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: I you see, I thought you were you were like

562
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,880
a little having below easr. I mean thirty four is

563
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,440
thirty two, Okay, so you're out on him. Then let's

564
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,960
talk about Twoton though, because Tuton is probably the most

565
00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:16,200
polarizing in this territory. He actually kind of lies a

566
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,000
little bit more in the the upside like the Sleepers.

567
00:27:20,039 --> 00:27:21,759
People are putting him more as a sleeper, but on

568
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:24,240
the end verse there's that big bus potential because Chris

569
00:27:24,279 --> 00:27:25,920
Rodriguez is out there. So I guess we kind of

570
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,359
did talk about him in the last episode, and I

571
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,279
think you you were more genarian priced over him. So

572
00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:33,079
I feel like this is going to be buying the

573
00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:33,720
bust more.

574
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean buy him as a bust. I I

575
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,599
would say he's going to disappoint more than outright bust.

576
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,240
I think people are gonna draft him as their RB two, thinking,

577
00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:49,240
all right, I got the Jaguars lead back, no doubt,

578
00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:51,680
and it's gonna be like, Okay, well he had more

579
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,079
carries and more yards than Sea Rod, but Sea Rod

580
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,200
scored two touchdowns and that's super annoying, right, So I

581
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,359
think he's going to disappoint in that way. The Broncos

582
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,400
situation though, dude, I'm just not doing it. I just

583
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,680
refuse like, if I want to take Jonah Coleman, I

584
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,279
have him way higher than his projection and his ECR.

585
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:18,000
If you want to take him cheap, then fine. But

586
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,640
I'm not taking Harvey, I'm not taking Dobbins. I'm not

587
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,200
messing with it. I think it's gonna be a three

588
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,960
headed gross monster. So I think the Broncos guys are disappointments.

589
00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:31,440
I obviously I'm in on Jendarian Price. So I mean

590
00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:34,079
Aaron Jones not having upside. Yeah, it's kind of like

591
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,880
why I like Demon Claiborne. But I do think that

592
00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:40,599
I do think the Minnesota offense will be better just

593
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,160
with Kyler Murray. Like, get a real NFL caliber starting

594
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,279
quarterback in koc Can work a little magic. That should

595
00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:50,359
mean good things for whoever the Vikings running back is

596
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,000
going into the season. That's Aaron Jones. So do I

597
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,640
think he's gonna bust? Not when you have him at

598
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,279
thirty seven. Yeah, I've got him at thirty one, so

599
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,519
I think he's gonna be fine.

600
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: So then two picks in here that your official picks

601
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,240
for guys that are higher bus potential.

602
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: Uh, give me Tooton and Dobbinson.

603
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:12,839
Speaker 2: Tootin and Dobbins. I'm gonna go probably going to be

604
00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:15,160
honest with the Cuba, and I kind of want to

605
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,799
say Warren, but I'm Monogai because I'm I'm not a

606
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,359
monong guy for this year. So but Warren worries me

607
00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:23,200
a little bit. With Rico in there as well. Projections

608
00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:25,599
versus ECR, this is the fun one.

609
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,039
Speaker 1: This is. Let me just tell you real quick. This

610
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,759
was tough because almost every projection and I just like

611
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,920
all I did was I took the the FPT projections,

612
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,119
I put them into the spreadsheet, and I labeled everybody

613
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,039
by their total score one through whatever it was eighty five, right,

614
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:47,240
almost everybody was within two spots of their ECR. And

615
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,839
by the way, where they finish, those.

616
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: Are not correlative because ECR is the different average rank

617
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,839
of all whoever how many we have now seventy plus rankers,

618
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,039
so it's not necessarily correlative. So but your point to

619
00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:04,599
that was four running backs were the only backs that

620
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,000
had like a five spot difference between the running back

621
00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:12,480
that were projected to be and the ECR. And the

622
00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:16,119
key to this is these guys are ranked higher in

623
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,559
consensus ranks versus what the projection is putting out to

624
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:23,440
take that for what it is, four players. Number one.

625
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,599
The highest player is Blake Koram, who is ranked as

626
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,640
the thirty thirty fourth back in ECR Expert Consensus ranks.

627
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,319
That is a top three back, but the projection is

628
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:38,039
thirty ninth. Is a seven hundred yards seven hundred and

629
00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:41,599
eighty yards, six touchdowns. This one, to me is a

630
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:44,519
little bit easier. And these aren't really like huge guys

631
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:47,559
to sit on, but this one's easier because Blake Korum's

632
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,519
what's not being projected is also the value of If

633
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,559
Karen Williams goes down, he becomes literally one of the

634
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,759
league's most valuable running backs out there because of his

635
00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:01,319
skill set and jumping in. Like if McCaffrey goes down

636
00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:05,079
and it's Jordan James, that's cool, but that's not the

637
00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:08,839
same thing that's happening. Like if Beijon goes down and

638
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,599
Brian Robinson has it, will be into it, but it's

639
00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:14,240
still not the same thing. So Blake Korum, I think,

640
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:17,079
is more designed towards that. But the other three You've

641
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:20,240
got Tyrone Tracy at forty one, ranked forty first, but

642
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:23,240
his projection has him down at forty seven. Round five

643
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:26,519
hundred yards, two touchdowns. This is probably the most relevant one.

644
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,039
Forty third is the rank for Chris Rodriguez, but he

645
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:34,119
is projected as the forty ninth running back, below Tyrone

646
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:37,119
Tracy and probably one of the more popular picks out

647
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:40,799
there because everyone who's against Bachel Tuton. You got to

648
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:43,039
make a case that Chris Rodriguez is going to get

649
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:45,599
early downs, goal lines and is all of a sudden

650
00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:47,920
gonna probably be a ton more valuable. And then the

651
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,319
final one is Tyler Algier, who is ranked forty sixth

652
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,440
but is the lowest I think of any of these

653
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,759
guys at fifty three outside of the top fifty running backs,

654
00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:01,119
only four hundred and twenty yards does a touchdowns projected,

655
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,960
But obviously Jeremiah Love, maybe Connor, you know, like all,

656
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,079
it's just a very messy situation with the running backs

657
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:08,680
in here. I think we already answered the Quorum one,

658
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,720
but I think probably the most interesting one irrelevant is

659
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,480
the Chris Rodriguez one, because if you're a Chris Rodriguez truther,

660
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,599
you were kind of busting Tutin in here. This has

661
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,920
to maybe be not insanely eye opening, but this is

662
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,160
a pretty big difference between the projection and like where

663
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,160
he's being ranked, it's at least probably a touchdown differential

664
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,839
of him only having five touchdowns here and being almost

665
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:29,880
outside the top fifty.

666
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really tough to know this Jacksonville situation, right

667
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,079
because is it gonna be Is it gonna be like, hey,

668
00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:41,079
look everything goes to Tutin between the twenties and then

669
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:44,039
here's see Rodgers from mop up duty. Like is it

670
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,279
twenty yards in a touchdown? Is what you want from

671
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:48,640
Sea Rod every week? Or is it gonna be like, no,

672
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,759
Sea Rod mixes in, he gets ten carries, he gets

673
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:53,720
fifty yards, and he is more likely to get the touchdown.

674
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,000
That would make Tutin almost useless. If that's the case.

675
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,480
I don't think Tuton is gonna be useless. So I

676
00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:03,480
have c Rod at forty seven, so I have him

677
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:06,640
closer to his projection. I just don't like that backfield

678
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,720
in general. You know, I think they're gonna throw the

679
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,400
ball a lot to the tight ends. I think Trevor

680
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,880
Lawrence is your big lift in Jacksonville because he's the

681
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,519
guy throwing the touchdowns and he's got all these wide

682
00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:18,680
receiver weapons and now all these tight end weapons. I

683
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,119
don't know. I think the run game is going to

684
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,519
be a little bit secondary in Jacksonville in twenty twenty six.

685
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:24,559
Speaker 2: And really those are for you guys to just know

686
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,799
and you can make your own decisions. The projection versus

687
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,839
ECR take it for what it is. Blake Corman and

688
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,200
Chris Frodriguez probably the most relevant, all right potential bus

689
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,799
at the wide receiver position, again using the five metered

690
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,319
bust marker on Fantasy Pros going into the first round,

691
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:41,599
there are three wide receivers that were given that marker,

692
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:47,240
George Pickens, Chris Olave and Rashi Rice. And I will

693
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,680
be honest with you, I'm actually surprised that it is

694
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,240
Pickens over Lamb. And that might sound weird. It's just

695
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,160
Lamb is on a little bit of a down trajectory

696
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:00,880
right now. I've then multiple different shows where I've been

697
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,000
hearing a lot of kind of negative Lamb talk, not

698
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:04,559
like negative the is gonna be worthless or anything, of

699
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:08,440
course not, but negative in that like the value half.

700
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:09,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

701
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:12,639
Speaker 2: Well, and Pickens is coming off of like this big

702
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,400
I mean targeted season and if the see if they're

703
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,079
going to be better this year, and get the ball

704
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:19,480
down field and a healthy dack and all that, like

705
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,320
what could be? So I kind of found it interesting

706
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,440
that Pickens was the one with the bigger bus meeter

707
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:28,320
and Lamb is just down at two. The only difference

708
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,480
between these three wide receivers, Rashi Rice is given the

709
00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:36,519
five upsides, so that essentially saying safety net. I think

710
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:39,039
the only built in real bus potential feels like it's

711
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:41,360
off field stuff. But I know you've received You just

712
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,639
did a there's a video out there on Fantasy Pros

713
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:45,559
people yelling at you because you were talking about no.

714
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: Actually most were agreeing with me.

715
00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: Oh I saw somebody like that.

716
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:51,159
Speaker 1: They called me a total idiot or whatever, but yeah,

717
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:54,000
probably most most people were agreeing.

718
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 2: I think what that comes from is, uh, by the way,

719
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,679
I didn't not Knowice where she rises the same birthday

720
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:00,840
me and him. What a great guy to how you

721
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,320
have data berths on here? And I just looked at that.

722
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:07,079
I'm like, oh, Rashi Rice kind of performs as a

723
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:10,239
top five wide receiver, So like I'm with the upside.

724
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,400
The downside to me is built a little bit more

725
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,320
around some injury and then they off the field stuff.

726
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,639
But then you also have to attach Patrick Mahomes's injury,

727
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:20,559
which is kind of a concern, which you've mentioned. So

728
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,440
you look at these three players, I gotta be honest

729
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,920
with you, Rahi Rice is really the only like I

730
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,639
feel kind of indifferent about Olave like gets tons of

731
00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:30,519
target shairs. Tyler Shuck is cool, like awesome. I feel

732
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:34,840
more adamantly against the George picken one Pickens one. Rice

733
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:38,079
I am against because I am higher ranked, but I

734
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:40,840
think there's way more of a story to tell about

735
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,760
why he can be a bust than any of these

736
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:43,480
other guys.

737
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:46,119
Speaker 1: I'm I kind of see the downside for all three

738
00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:47,760
of them, but I'm not killing any of them in

739
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,239
the rankings. The thing the clip that you mentioned, and

740
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,519
by the way, you're like you're the clip master or

741
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:56,440
something on one of the FP shows almost and I

742
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,440
want to be like, I am the clip commands.

743
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:02,159
Speaker 2: That because I almost said you were gonna be the

744
00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:06,880
clip commander, because every time I couldn't. I can't get

745
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,760
a clip for the life of me. For the life

746
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,880
of me, whoever, the automated system, whatever social people are

747
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,639
doing it, they won't put on the football side a

748
00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:18,880
clip of me saying or even my face in there

749
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,280
obviously baseball. Like I'm kind of the analyst, so I

750
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,639
get all that. Every other video is Bogman saying something.

751
00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:29,760
It's always Bogman, and I dread it for you sometimes

752
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,519
because people are especially Instagram people are bigger dickheads than

753
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:34,639
even Twitter.

754
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,679
Speaker 1: But like everyone on Instagram is just a troll.

755
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: But it's funny. You know what I was thinking about

756
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,880
the other day, and that's a good sidetrack. But it's like,

757
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,440
you got so much crap for the Zay Flowers thing

758
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,039
a month ago. I'm not kidding you. Every goddamn analyst

759
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,480
I hear is talking about Zay Flowers and why he's

760
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:55,079
gonna break out. Every single one. THEO Gremmager just went

761
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:57,559
over to Rode Wire. He's the big new Hire first

762
00:36:57,639 --> 00:36:59,840
video out with Jared Smoller, but talking about why the

763
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,840
Flowers is going to be I couldn't.

764
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:04,039
Speaker 1: Even get worm and he's the Ravens fan.

765
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,599
Speaker 2: You got so much negative calm, and I get sick

766
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:09,840
for it because like, well, you do your work, you

767
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,159
do your hardcore work. You don't deserve it. People are

768
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:14,400
dickheads that don't know you. But you always have a

769
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,480
video out there sometimes there's no context in it, and

770
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:19,599
people are flaming it and they're eddying.

771
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: Is is where I do get annoyed because almost all

772
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,920
of my takes are from a Dynasty perspective, because I'm

773
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,079
on the Dynasty show more than.

774
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:29,639
Speaker 2: The other show, and they just throw it on FP.

775
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they just throw it on the FP one

776
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:33,440
and people are like, why is the city and hate

777
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,519
Crystal lavea right because that was one of the big ones,

778
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,119
the Crystal lave downside to me. And by the way,

779
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,280
the people on Twitter, I don't take offense anymore because

780
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,039
fifty percent of the people are going to agree with me,

781
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:47,840
and fifty percent are going to think I'm the biggest

782
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,400
city it ever. That's just the way it is.

783
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,599
Speaker 2: I think the Instagram people are are the worst.

784
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: There's all trolls.

785
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:55,079
Speaker 2: I can't yeah there it is amazing because you would

786
00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:56,480
think that's more of a Twitter thing. It's not.

787
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,079
Speaker 1: There are automated trolls on Instagram. There are not. I

788
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:03,320
think they're most mainly real trolls.

789
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 2: But I made that comment the other day laughing, and

790
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,360
then literally like yesterday I saw one where you were

791
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,199
talking about Rasheie Rice and it was someone was like

792
00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:12,000
what are you talking about? Blah blah blah. So I'm

793
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:13,639
not sure. Yeah, I'll let you finish your thought. But

794
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,480
it was like you have him outside the top twelve.

795
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,480
I think that's the problem and people are not having

796
00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:21,960
I mean I do. I think he's like a top

797
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,320
ten guy, like he performs at the level. But you

798
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,159
have clearly shown you have massive concerns about this offense

799
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,920
that Mahomes is gonna miss time if its fields are

800
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,760
gonna suck, and that's going to affect.

801
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: And Rashee Rice has been hurt when he's played a lot, right,

802
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,079
So like Rashee Rice has phenomenal upside wide receiver one upside,

803
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:42,519
we can even call it right, Like, you know, if

804
00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:44,559
he was healthy and Mahomes was there the whole year

805
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,440
and neither one of them had injuries, could he finish

806
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,039
as a wide receiver one. It wouldn't be shocking, right,

807
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:52,199
It'd be like, well, dude had one hundred and fifty

808
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:57,239
catches because he's a PPR machine. So I my point

809
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,800
in what I said, which again was the Dynasty take,

810
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,360
but I didn't say it was. I just don't want

811
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,199
to depend on what she Rice as my wide receiver one.

812
00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:10,199
I think that that is just that is my my

813
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,440
line in the sand, right, That's what I draw is

814
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,880
if I can get him as my wide receiver two great,

815
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,400
all kinds of upside. He's more replaceable if there's an injury.

816
00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:21,400
I already have a guy ahead of him, right, So

817
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,719
wide receiver two great, that's where I want him. Thats

818
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,960
why I'm at fourteen, which isn't killing him. He's wide

819
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,039
receiver twelve. So I just have him as a high

820
00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:31,039
end wide receiver too instead of low end wide receiver one.

821
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:34,119
That's it. So, but you can you do not have

822
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:36,119
to squint to see the downside. The downside is he

823
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:38,320
does something really idiotic and he winds up in jail.

824
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:40,760
You know, that is multi worse scenario.

825
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, the injury problems, I mean, and that's the case.

826
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,960
I'm not sure I'm into any of that. Again, I

827
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,119
would defend the Pickens one. I just am not there

828
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:49,239
for Like he's.

829
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: Just I mean, he's a babyback bitch. That's what it is.

830
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,000
Is like he is gonna have an attitude problem because

831
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,639
he doesn't have a contract. He's gonna wine and cry

832
00:39:56,679 --> 00:39:58,079
in a couple of games. He's the guy that didn't

833
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:00,440
hold out. He said, he's he's gonna be fine. Like

834
00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:02,880
I have a nine, he's ten. I'm higher on him.

835
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,679
But that is why, like people don't like Pickens, like

836
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,159
I don't like Rishi Rice, It's the same.

837
00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: I guess next tier here there are This is in

838
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,840
the wide receiver two territory ranks fourteen to twenty four.

839
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,079
There are six wide receivers that signify that bus tab.

840
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,000
You've got Tedoro McMillan at fourteen, Malik Neighbors at seventeen,

841
00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:23,360
Garrett Wilson at eighteen, Jalen Waddle, Luther Burden, and DeVante Adams.

842
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,199
A again a very eclectic group of wide receivers in there.

843
00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:32,599
The only one there's two there's it's really weird too.

844
00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:37,199
The only two that don't have they have a neutral

845
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,079
upside marker, because all the rest of the guys have

846
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:43,079
like fours are Garrett Wilson and Davante Adams. And Davante

847
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:46,000
Adams on one part, I'm kind of like, huh, but

848
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,480
it's like he it's just it's touchdown equity and without

849
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:50,840
the touchdown yeah, without the touchdown equity, you do see

850
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,800
where the downside is. Garrett Wilson, I didn't go as

851
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,599
much because it's the Jets, but there is an element

852
00:40:57,639 --> 00:40:59,920
of like, you know, he is just a monster targ

853
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:02,480
chair guy, and of Gino is just littering the ball

854
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:04,960
at him. Like I do think there's some upside, but

855
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:06,760
I guess I get why you might be a little

856
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,840
bit finicky about it. We can obviously talk about those guys,

857
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,360
but I think, like again, it's I think it's a

858
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,360
little cheap injuries, Like Malik Neighbors is probably the number

859
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:17,039
one guy, and.

860
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: I probably need to lower him or do you have

861
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:21,840
him thirteen? I probably need to lower him like seventeen

862
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:22,360
or eighteen.

863
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 2: I have him at twenty.

864
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe him because of the injury stuff. That's like

865
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,599
the one, but everybody else I'm equal to or have

866
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:30,480
a better ranking on.

867
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do. I mean I said it in the

868
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,519
last episode. I'm a little busty. I guess if I'm

869
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:39,000
gonna pick one as Luther Burden, I think the expectations

870
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:42,559
are really really high on him as a guy that

871
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:45,199
could be the number one option. But what was my mark?

872
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,000
I said, like a Terry McLaurin. I think he might

873
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:48,760
live in the Terry McLaurin, which, by the way Terry

874
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,320
McLaurin is fine, and you know there's the potential for

875
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,480
like sometimes being a top fifteen wide receiver, sometimes you

876
00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:57,119
kind of ball out. Didn't love the target share he

877
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,920
was getting when he did start to ball out. Lovely

878
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:02,760
gonna step up a doonsay for whatever version of health

879
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,840
is going to be out there. I'm just not sold

880
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,599
that he's going to be a guy that I trust

881
00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:10,880
now over you know, a Mecca Aggbuka or buying back

882
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,440
into lad Maconachie or frankly Garrett Wilson. So if I

883
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,920
had to pick one, like neighbors is the cheap, easy answer,

884
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,199
I'm picking Luther Burden. Now you have to pick one

885
00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:22,800
that is not neighbors, which direction do you and not

886
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,360
Adams because you already said Adams is easy neighbors for

887
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,960
the injury. Now you're picking between Burden, Waddle, Wilson, and

888
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:30,920
Tea McMillan.

889
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: Hmm, probably Garrett Wilson again, although I don't really believe it.

890
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:38,400
I think Garrett Wilson would be the one that I

891
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,559
would I would say just because I hate Gino, like

892
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:45,519
I Gino getting another chance is hate Gino.

893
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,639
Speaker 2: No one hates a player like Bogman hages Gino.

894
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: It's not even that I hate him. I hate that

895
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,880
he gets all of this praise because he won't come

896
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,039
back Player of the Year, which was great. He was awesome.

897
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:57,400
He was much better than I thought he was going

898
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,320
to be. But the Seahawks got rid of him and

899
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,119
literally won the Super Bowl, right like, Gino was obviously

900
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:07,559
the thing holding them back the year before. So he

901
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:10,559
was miserable with the Raiders, and I don't think he's

902
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:12,320
gonna be much better for the Jets. So that's why

903
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,280
I think Kate Klubknick starts games. That's why I would

904
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,119
fade Garrett Wilson.

905
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:19,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel a little bit indifferent about him. I feel,

906
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:23,280
you know, I don't say I'm a little torn on

907
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,559
the jyll and Waddle one, Like I want to really

908
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:29,519
be in especially much better offense, much more of a

909
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:33,440
pass better offense. But Sutton is still there, and they

910
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:35,679
I don't know what level they're gonna do with all

911
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:38,199
the remember the weird like wide receiver rotational stuff they

912
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:39,000
would kind of get into.

913
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: See a lot of work better with Tyreek Hill though,

914
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,360
right like he's better with somebody else.

915
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: On the Yeah, And I don't think Courtland Sutton is that,

916
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:47,280
you know, great of an option, But you know, there

917
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,000
was a lot of just ball flying around at different players,

918
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,760
and here's Troy Franklin and here's Marvin Mims, and here's

919
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,360
seventy other guys. Maybe waddle lightens that I just don't know,

920
00:43:56,679 --> 00:43:59,639
But I'm probably a little bit more pushy on wanting

921
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,480
to Wattle, wanting to draft McMillan. This is a weird

922
00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:06,639
territory for me. I'm not really this is an indifferent,

923
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,920
neutral range. Whereas I feel I'm not into Adams, I'm

924
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,559
probably busting burden. I want to be into neighbors, but

925
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:17,400
I'm too worried about the injury stuff. And then like McMillan,

926
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,000
Wilson and Wattle are not like massive targets of mine.

927
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,760
So we move. We move to the next range, twenty

928
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,039
five through thirty seven. Here there are eight wide receivers

929
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,440
with the four or higher bus tag. Let me take

930
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,159
a look to any of them have a five? None

931
00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:36,360
of them have a five, seeing if there was major

932
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,440
bus potential in any of those. But there are a

933
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,559
couple that have some low upside plays. So the said

934
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:45,599
wide receivers are Jamison Williams who comes in at twenty five,

935
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:48,960
Christian Watson at twenty seven, Marvin Harrison at thirty one,

936
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:51,599
Alec Pierce at thirty two, Cortland Sutton at thirty four,

937
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:56,159
Brian Thomas, Jordan Tyson a rookie in here, and Chris Godwin.

938
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:01,960
The lowest upside plays according to these markers are Chris

939
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,480
Godwin and Courtland Sutton are the lowest.

940
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: I feel like that's just every old guy. Yeah, I mean,

941
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,800
I think have a lot of that. No one is

942
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,280
ranking them high, I think is why they get that.

943
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: So then maybe the interesting one to you is with

944
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,559
a neutral upside play is Brian Thomas who you were

945
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,320
you said you kind of want to buy back into

946
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,480
you actually have them a little bit lower than ECR.

947
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,000
But Brian Thomas one of those players with a neutral

948
00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:28,519
upside to high bust potential, And I kind of don't

949
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:29,239
disagree with it.

950
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I mean, and I have him lower. I

951
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,159
have him as a wide receiver four, so do I

952
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,920
I would pick him to have a better year than

953
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,079
anybody else in Jacksonville. But I kind of just don't

954
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:45,760
want to buy into anything that isn't Trevor Lawrence in

955
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,119
Jacksonville to be honest with you, because you know, like

956
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:51,400
maybe if you want Brenton Strange for that mid tier

957
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:54,320
tight end or whatever, that's fine. But I think even

958
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,880
there they're gonna use multiple tight end sets. Cozy all

959
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:02,440
can catch it. So yeah, I just I think they're

960
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,159
going to switch those guys around too much. There's too

961
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:05,559
many of them. We mentioned it on the last show,

962
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:08,639
those four world wide receivers that can all work for Jacksonville,

963
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:11,960
And they're gonna have fewer three and four wide receiver

964
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,960
sets because they have so many tight ends this year,

965
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,760
and that's what they're moving towards.

966
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:17,599
Speaker 2: Oh, I want to ask you a different question, but

967
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:19,280
I want to stick to this one that's in my brain.

968
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,000
Do you think there should be any bust difference between

969
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:28,639
Brian Thomas and Marvin Harrison? Junruh, No, Actually I don't.

970
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,239
Who do you think is a bigger bust potential, Harrison

971
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,199
or Thomas? I know you have Harris, Yeah, you have Harrison.

972
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,159
Higher What do you think about a rookie coming up

973
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:39,000
on this bus, Meeter, I don't think we've had.

974
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: That's because of his hamstring thing, in my opinion, like

975
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,119
he had the hamstring thing at ASU last year. And

976
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:51,239
you know, just missed a couple of games, played Gimpion

977
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,360
some games as well. Didn't do everything at the Combine

978
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,000
because he was coming off the hamstring thing. Still had

979
00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:03,000
the hamstring thing in OTAs, So if it's still there

980
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,639
in training camp, then I'm going to lower him, right.

981
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,199
And I think that's the worry is I don't think

982
00:47:11,199 --> 00:47:15,519
it has anything to do with his talent. In my opinion,

983
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,519
Chris Olave should lead that team by a lot still,

984
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,679
but I mean they just didn't have anybody else, so Tyson,

985
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:25,400
Tyson's going to see targets if he's on the field.

986
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:27,599
Speaker 2: It's interesting too. There's a couple of injury guys. Christian

987
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:31,039
Watson is all is just you know, favorite other thing today.

988
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:35,199
Speaker 1: Okay, but real quick, what is the most catches, most

989
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:38,199
receptions our boy Christian Watson has had in the season.

990
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,559
Speaker 2: Well, she oh, I mean, I don't know, forty five.

991
00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: Forty one so thirty five last year. He's a deep threat,

992
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,920
he makes big plays, played eleven games last year.

993
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,039
Speaker 2: Don't play the games. Yeah, Well, I wasn't trying to

994
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:52,199
be dismissive of it, but no, no, I know, I'm just like,

995
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,360
there's injury concern He's.

996
00:47:54,199 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: The guy that I have lowest on this list is Watson?

997
00:47:56,599 --> 00:47:58,639
Speaker 2: Okay, so that would because the next question was going

998
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:00,519
to be like, who are you really busting out of

999
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:02,519
this list? And yeah, I guess that I'm looking. You're

1000
00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:05,159
a little bit lower on the biggest difference Alec Pierce,

1001
00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:08,760
You're slightly over, but you are significantly different on Christian Watson.

1002
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,440
So that's your bust out of this range.

1003
00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:13,039
Speaker 1: Definitely Christian Watson. He doesn't catch the ball enough to

1004
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,480
interest me and he gets hurt a lot, So pass.

1005
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:16,199
All right.

1006
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:19,039
Speaker 2: Going to the projections versus ecr bus, there are quite

1007
00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:20,840
a few. I don't think I'm gonna do all of them.

1008
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,880
I'm going to stick to the big core players. But

1009
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,199
these are four or more spots different from where they're

1010
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:30,320
being ranked to what the projection puts them at. And

1011
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,360
there's some kind of there's some big names on here,

1012
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,360
so and take it for what it is. Again, we're

1013
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,079
not trying to say these guys are just how the

1014
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:38,239
projections putting them out versus how they're being ranked. They

1015
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,440
do not match up. The rank is higher. Story with

1016
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:45,599
Nico Collins. Nico Collins is ranked eighth on the list,

1017
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,559
but His projection makes him the twelfth wide receiver projected

1018
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:53,320
eighty two for twelve hundred and seven touchdowns. Very strong season.

1019
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,559
But if you're coming out as the eighth, by the way,

1020
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,920
and I'm looking at the projection here slightly, I just

1021
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,039
want to give a couple of the names that pop

1022
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:04,039
up above him.

1023
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: You have, say, because they got him for eighty two

1024
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,400
and a half catches, twelve hundred yards and seven touchdowns,

1025
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,039
and there's eleven guys ahead of him.

1026
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 2: You have christ so Lave, George Pickens, and I would

1027
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,320
say AJ Brown are probably the maybe surprises above him,

1028
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,920
justin Jefferson, Rai, Rashei Rice. I mean that's probably one

1029
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,360
you're different about that. That's I think where people get

1030
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,440
worked up about Rashi Rice. He is the seventh projected

1031
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,480
wide receiver, so he is very based on where he's going.

1032
00:49:31,519 --> 00:49:33,920
He's the opposite end of this. He's the guy that

1033
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,800
is being projected much higher, that is being ranked lower.

1034
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,440
You said he's ranked twelfth at wide receiver. He is

1035
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,239
this seventh projected So you have Rashi Rice, AJ Brown, Pickens,

1036
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,519
and Olava all projected higher than Nico Collins.

1037
00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: Interesting. I mean, it's got to be splitting hairs because

1038
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:52,360
twelve hundred yards and seven touchdowns is a huge here.

1039
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,320
No matter who you are, that's.

1040
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 2: It's still great. It's just saying like based off it's

1041
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,000
really it really doesn't do too much for you necessarily,

1042
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,239
but it's all almost getting out of the wide receiver

1043
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,760
one range. Next up T Higgins fifteenth at wide receiver

1044
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,480
but projected as the nineteenth wide receiver seventy catches, nine

1045
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,480
to sixty four nine touchdowns. That's always kind of the

1046
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:15,960
big marker with T Higgins. Malik Neighbors is projected higher.

1047
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,079
I don't know the injury stuff. But also this one

1048
00:50:18,199 --> 00:50:21,719
might surprise you. DeVante Adams and DeVante Smith are projected

1049
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,679
higher than T. Higgins. So those are a couple of

1050
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,840
them maybe the names that might surprise the jump ahead

1051
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:26,159
of him.

1052
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:30,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might buy DeVante Smith. I'm not buying DeVante Adams.

1053
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: Lad McConkey ranked nineteenth twenty fifth on the list. This

1054
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,679
is a really tough one because everything got screwed up

1055
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,199
last year, but you do taking Allen out of the

1056
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,719
offense gets a lot of people going. But you know,

1057
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,039
it doesn't necessarily mean anything with McDaniel's offense. If he's

1058
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:49,519
going to slow down, slow it down or whatever, and

1059
00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:51,599
it's not as pass heavy, but he is a twenty

1060
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:53,800
fifth projector. So this is the case where a wide

1061
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,159
receiver is a mid wide receiver two projected. It's a

1062
00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:00,880
wide receiver three seventy six catches, nine seventy six and

1063
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,039
six touchdowns.

1064
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,519
Speaker 1: Man the Chargers, I have LAD at twenty one, which

1065
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:07,639
is a couple spots below as ecre.

1066
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:09,639
Speaker 2: Man.

1067
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,159
Speaker 1: The Charger situation is kind of weird as well, right, Like,

1068
00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:17,119
they also brought in a bunch of tight ends Charlie

1069
00:51:17,159 --> 00:51:21,280
Kohler they signed, David and Choku they signed. So are

1070
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,400
they gonna use more three tight end sets as well?

1071
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,599
And if they do, who's coming off the field. I

1072
00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:29,400
don't think it's gonna be LAD. I think it's probably QJ,

1073
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,360
which is annoying for QJ. So but if it's not.

1074
00:51:33,559 --> 00:51:35,360
If it is LAD, then QJ is gonna be on

1075
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,079
the field. And then what is happening with between Gatson

1076
00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:41,159
and Trey Harris those guys, And then we obviously know

1077
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,039
Hampton's gonna have a nice run. So yeah, the more

1078
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:48,440
I look at the Chargers, the more it's blending towards

1079
00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:50,800
the Jaguars, and I don't like him.

1080
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,119
Speaker 2: A couple wide receivers we talked about the one I'm

1081
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:55,280
putting on the bus marker. Luther Burden is ranked as

1082
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,800
a twenty third wide receiver but projected as twenty seven,

1083
00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:01,079
So that's a back half of a wide receiver two,

1084
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:03,679
projected more as a mid wide receiver three only seventy

1085
00:52:03,679 --> 00:52:07,480
two catches nine point fifty and just under six touchdowns,

1086
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,000
So right about there. Jalen Wattle twenty two ranked but

1087
00:52:11,199 --> 00:52:14,679
twenty ninth projected, so wide receiver two to wide receiver

1088
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,840
three projected seventy two catches nine to sixty and the

1089
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,159
same amount of touchdown his Burden. They're actually almost projected

1090
00:52:20,199 --> 00:52:21,559
as the exact same player.

1091
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: I feel like his projection is like his floor. That's

1092
00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:29,119
like his stays healthy for seventeen Wattle floor. Yeah.

1093
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,039
Speaker 2: See, I kind of agree, and like I think, I like,

1094
00:52:32,119 --> 00:52:35,039
I don't think I have Wattle over Burden in this case.

1095
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:39,119
So let's stop there for a second. Collins Higgins, mcconkee, Burden, Wattle,

1096
00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:43,639
who's your biggest buy of the bust? Like you're buying

1097
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:46,480
the projection that there. Again, bus is a loose term here,

1098
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,800
it's projected quite a bit lower than their rank. But like,

1099
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,440
which projection versus a rank? Do you buy most?

1100
00:52:51,679 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 1: Ye?

1101
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 2: Because I know, yeah, because you're kind of into most

1102
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:55,599
of these guys.

1103
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, ugh, don't do this to me. Can I pick

1104
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:00,920
everyone below these?

1105
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 2: I could, but that's why we stopped there, because I

1106
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:03,960
know it's easy.

1107
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,599
Speaker 1: I guess I would say the downside of Luther Burdon,

1108
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:11,679
who's probably the one, but I have him at twenty,

1109
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:13,880
so I obviously don't think that's going to happen. But

1110
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,800
if you're making me pick one, I just think Wattle's

1111
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,880
floor is very high. Ladd, I'd say it's between Ladd

1112
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,599
and Burden, those are the two. I don't think it's

1113
00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:25,239
Higgins as long as Burrow stays healthy. I don't think

1114
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,760
it's Collins because he's the number one on that team.

1115
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 2: So you might have been saying a conky though you

1116
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,159
were building up to say, because you were a little

1117
00:53:32,159 --> 00:53:32,480
bit worried.

1118
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,559
Speaker 1: Ab Well, I mean, but I don't I don't have

1119
00:53:34,679 --> 00:53:36,559
that much lower. I guess he's the one guy having

1120
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:39,119
this list that it's lower than ECR. So yeah, okay, fine,

1121
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,800
I'll say I'll say Ladd. I think I think you

1122
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,519
convinced me that Ladd would be my guy out of

1123
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:47,119
this group. So yeah, I'll say, I'll say.

1124
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 2: Lad Christian Watson twenty seven on ECR, but thirty two,

1125
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:52,599
so it's a little bit closer to what you were

1126
00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:56,000
doing here. Thirty two projected nine hundred yards, fifty fifty

1127
00:53:56,039 --> 00:53:57,280
six catches, seven touchdown.

1128
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,599
Speaker 1: Never disagreed with projections, that's completely correct.

1129
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,599
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, like, it's just a lot of rookies

1130
00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:04,480
and that you kind of probably know the story. Carnelate,

1131
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:05,599
Jordan Tyson.

1132
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 1: Makayle unproven guys is the way to say it here.

1133
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, well everyone's unproven and there's no real true baseline

1134
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:13,880
outside of just you know, modeling type of stuff. If

1135
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,000
you had to say, what, what's the wide receiver here?

1136
00:54:16,039 --> 00:54:18,320
You think is going to fail? And by virtue of

1137
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,800
the valuation because Carnel tit is a wide receiver three

1138
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,320
projected to be a wide receiver four. Tyson is thirty

1139
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,840
seven in the project and the ranks, so right out

1140
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,920
of wide receiver three but still projected in the same range.

1141
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,320
And Kayle Lemon is like a wide receiver four projected

1142
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,719
almost as a wide receiver five. Who do you think

1143
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,880
from the significance and everything is the biggest bust of that? Man.

1144
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,199
Speaker 1: I got them all kind of close to each other.

1145
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,960
I have I have Tate it. What's Tate's CCR. I

1146
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:46,280
got him at thirty.

1147
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,159
Speaker 2: He Oh gosh, I'm not thirty. Oh well his rank

1148
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:50,679
is thirty.

1149
00:54:51,159 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 1: Okay, then I'm right in line there. Uh So I

1150
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,519
guess I would say mikayle Lemon, I have him at

1151
00:54:55,519 --> 00:54:59,960
thirty nine. I think. I think with mkayle Lemon, you can.

1152
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,000
I'd say it for Tyson two, but like they just

1153
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:05,239
don't have any other targets in New Orleans, Like Tyson

1154
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,440
needs to catch the ball there. Jawan Johnson is fine.

1155
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,079
But with McKayle Lemon, it's like, okay, well, we have Davante,

1156
00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:13,840
we have Saquon, we have Goddard, all established right, and

1157
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,800
then Eli Stowers is breathing down Goddard's neck as well.

1158
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:21,599
For I would say probably more touchdown. So I guess Lemon,

1159
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:23,079
but I kind of like all these guys too.

1160
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,199
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to quarterbacks here. I gotta say,

1161
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:28,639
there's a lot of quarterbacks on this list that are

1162
00:55:28,639 --> 00:55:31,000
given the four bust marker. I think it's getting used

1163
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:33,280
a little bit loosely, but it creates a good conversation.

1164
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:37,159
Speaker 1: Lucy Goosey on your QB rankings here, aren't you.

1165
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, top twelve quarterbacks are four that are given the

1166
00:55:40,639 --> 00:55:43,960
four bust marker. Here you have Lamar Jackson at two,

1167
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,599
Joe Burrow at four, Jayden Daniels at five, and Jackson

1168
00:55:47,679 --> 00:55:51,920
Dart at ten. If we are being honest with ourselves,

1169
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,400
I'm open to the conversation. I just don't think you're

1170
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,639
gonna do it. We can have a conversation if we

1171
00:55:56,639 --> 00:55:58,239
really think one of those quarterbacks is going to be

1172
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,320
a failure. It is clearly Jackson Dart is the only

1173
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,639
guy because you know he runs. He's like Juggernaut running

1174
00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:07,280
through a brick wall. The injuries took away part of

1175
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,400
the season could be without some neighbors. We just don't

1176
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,519
know if he's gonna kind of lay back and and

1177
00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:16,079
take care of himself a little bit more. But there's

1178
00:56:16,119 --> 00:56:18,239
tons of rushing upside. Like we know what the upside

1179
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,119
play is. But like I would love to hear a

1180
00:56:21,159 --> 00:56:23,280
case if you had one for Jackson, Burrow and Daniels, but.

1181
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: You were on case it's all injury.

1182
00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's just it's for you. I think it's

1183
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:31,039
just purely injury based in Dart. Yeah, there anything beyond

1184
00:56:31,039 --> 00:56:32,800
injury for Dart for you, No.

1185
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:35,639
Speaker 1: I mean maybe the wide receiver corps. You could say

1186
00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:39,920
that about JD as well, right, so, but you can't

1187
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,800
say it about Lamar or Burrow. I think they both have,

1188
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,719
especially Burrow, they have great receiver cours. So yeah, like

1189
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,679
both those guys to use fits his saying, I mean

1190
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,440
JD runs around like goddamn crash test stummy right like,

1191
00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:58,039
and Jackson Dart is right behind him in that. So

1192
00:56:58,599 --> 00:57:01,800
it's the injuries for those two guys. And yeah, if

1193
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,880
we're picking one, it has to be dark here to me.

1194
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't really think there's a ton more

1195
00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:08,559
to go through, though there is a little bit more

1196
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:12,239
to follow up on Joe Burrow shortly. The next range

1197
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:16,480
is your super flexy quarterbacks. Probably in some cases might

1198
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,239
be your quarterback one and a super flex if someone

1199
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,719
goes hard playing more quarterback twos. And believe me, the

1200
00:57:21,719 --> 00:57:23,880
top guy is not like the other. But from thirteen

1201
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,079
to twenty three or twenty four if you want to

1202
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:28,840
call it, there are six quarterbacks that have the marker.

1203
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:34,920
Here you have Patrick Mahomes, Matthew Stafford, Baker Mayfield, Malik Willis, C. J. Stroud,

1204
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:39,440
and Sam Darnold. I would lightly like Patrick Mahomes is

1205
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,519
pretty blatantly obvious, though you know his production is tapered

1206
00:57:42,519 --> 00:57:45,239
back down a little bit. Matthew Stafford was insane last year,

1207
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,159
and like you have been talking about, I just still

1208
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:50,519
struggle with like as zcr so low compared to his

1209
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:53,440
production and running back the weapons, it's super weird. Yeah,

1210
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,599
there's the back so again an injury thing. Baker Mayfield's

1211
00:57:56,639 --> 00:57:58,559
kind of his own beast here. But to me, I

1212
00:57:58,599 --> 00:58:02,079
think you start staring at like Malik Willis, Stroud and Darnold,

1213
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:03,920
But I think you can also put the question of

1214
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,320
like are they really buss you know that late, but

1215
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,159
those are the potential. So really, I'm going to just

1216
00:58:08,159 --> 00:58:10,280
open this up. Is there somebody in this group that

1217
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,679
you make a compelling case for that you think they

1218
00:58:12,679 --> 00:58:14,960
are a true fantasy bust and you can use injury

1219
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,000
because I know you are lower on Patrick Mahomes than most,

1220
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,559
But who is a real fantasy bust out of this group?

1221
00:58:21,719 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1222
00:58:24,199 --> 00:58:26,639
Speaker 2: Your ram says Patrick Mahomes.

1223
00:58:26,119 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: It's Mahomes, right, Like I just everyone is saying he's

1224
00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:30,599
going to start week one. I don't think he is.

1225
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:33,519
I don't think they need him to, right. I think

1226
00:58:33,519 --> 00:58:35,679
he misses the first month. Maybe they go one and three,

1227
00:58:35,719 --> 00:58:38,199
maybe they go two and two, whatever, and then Mahomes

1228
00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:40,159
is back in to get him in the playoff push.

1229
00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:42,559
So I do think Mahomes will be fine once he

1230
00:58:42,599 --> 00:58:46,519
gets in there. But it's either he's going to be

1231
00:58:46,519 --> 00:58:48,599
fine once he gets in there because they waited, or

1232
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:51,400
he's going to be gimpy for the first month. And

1233
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,719
I don't like that either. So yeah, Mahomes is my

1234
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:54,239
guy here.

1235
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 2: If I'm really torn on this one, like I almost

1236
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,280
just don't see CJ. Stroud is even qualifying. I think

1237
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,519
Sam Donald is kind of a value, to be honest

1238
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:07,320
with you, Malik Willis is getting close to that range.

1239
00:59:08,679 --> 00:59:10,840
I kind of wonder if it's Baker Mayfield. I know

1240
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,920
the injuries really took him back, you know, this past season,

1241
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:16,159
and he still does have really good weapons, but he

1242
00:59:16,239 --> 00:59:19,800
did lose a safety net of Mike Evans and Rob Rashid.

1243
00:59:20,719 --> 00:59:22,400
Rashard White was kind of a safety net. I know,

1244
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,039
you get gain well, but he's ranked so low. I

1245
00:59:26,119 --> 00:59:29,119
think it's hard to do that one. I think myhome

1246
00:59:29,159 --> 00:59:30,119
seems a little bit obvious.

1247
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:33,519
Speaker 1: Baker. Baker also is like trying to get an extension

1248
00:59:33,519 --> 00:59:38,159
and they're having real problems there. So yeah, animosity.

1249
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,159
Speaker 2: Baker's I think like Malik Willis has all the makings

1250
00:59:41,159 --> 00:59:43,159
of being the biggest buss because like we were hyping

1251
00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:44,920
him up and you're getting some kind of hype of

1252
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,719
like people are gonna want to target him as a

1253
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,000
QB two and super flex and stuff like that, and

1254
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,679
there's real potential to be a failure here when you

1255
00:59:51,719 --> 00:59:54,320
take him over a Sam Donald, who could just be

1256
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,400
this safety cool guy at the end. Uh, you had

1257
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,519
a couple other guys in the lower tier Daniel Jones,

1258
01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:05,039
Bryce Young, Jacoby Brissett. They're not even quarterback two. So

1259
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:06,960
I don't really think you can bust any of that.

1260
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: I think all those guys have a better chance to

1261
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,679
bust than to you know, like have a top you

1262
01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:14,639
know QB one finish. Yeah.

1263
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 2: Sure, in the projected versus ECR bust Joe Burrow number

1264
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:25,239
four on ECR quarterback but projections number seven. That's significant enough,

1265
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,840
especially if you consider where the fourth versus the seventh

1266
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:33,639
quarterback goes in drafts, he's projected forty one hundred yards

1267
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,360
close to forty two hundred thirty three touchdowns. There's a

1268
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,000
little bit of rushing upside. And let me just look here,

1269
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:42,119
just to give real true perspective, let me go to

1270
01:00:42,199 --> 01:00:48,239
overall and let me go to quarterback four. Where do

1271
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,800
you think the quarterback four goes, which is Joe Burrow

1272
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:58,440
overall thirty four forty six forty see quarterback seven goes

1273
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:02,199
sixty seven. So that is a twenty spot difference where

1274
01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:04,119
you could do two other things with picks if you

1275
01:01:04,199 --> 01:01:06,880
believe that you are very pro Joe Burrow, though, so

1276
01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:09,440
I don't know how much you love this, but that

1277
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:14,239
is a pretty wafty ECR versus what their actual projection

1278
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:14,760
puts them.

1279
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: I think a little bit of that is built into

1280
01:01:17,559 --> 01:01:20,960
just like the injured seasons that he's had, and last

1281
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,480
year was one of them. Again, so I understand people

1282
01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:27,119
being out on Joe Burrow, but it's like Joe Burrow

1283
01:01:27,159 --> 01:01:29,119
has one of the best wide receiving corps in the NFL.

1284
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:32,199
He plays for seventeen games, He's going to be over

1285
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,400
forty five hundred yards close to forty touchdowns, all that stuff.

1286
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:40,440
So I'm just, you know, in a one QB league,

1287
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,920
I want to own Joe Burrow because I know there

1288
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:44,880
are guys on the wire that are gonna be fine

1289
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,000
if he gets hurt. And in that scenario, if I'm

1290
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:50,760
drafting Joe Burrow, I'm okay backing him up, even in

1291
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,039
a short bench because of his injury history. But uh yeah,

1292
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:56,280
I'm pretty pro Joe Burrow. I don't think he's gonna

1293
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,920
if he plays all year, he's not gonna be seven quarterback.

1294
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 2: Eight was justin Herbert, but his projection is the twelfth

1295
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:07,119
quarterback on Fantasy pros. Projections just short shy of thirty

1296
01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:10,840
nine hundred yards, twenty six touchdowns, plenty of rushing yards,

1297
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:14,199
just shy of five hundred with a couple touchdowns. Caleb

1298
01:02:14,239 --> 01:02:17,679
Williams comes in at seven, but his projection is thirteen,

1299
01:02:18,159 --> 01:02:21,039
so he has higher rank than Herbert, but projections are

1300
01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:24,639
below Herbert. The projection is thirty eight hundred passing yards,

1301
01:02:24,719 --> 01:02:28,800
twenty seven touchdowns, about four hundred rushing yards and two touchdowns.

1302
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,119
And then the last one very different from these guys,

1303
01:02:31,239 --> 01:02:33,199
cam Ward twenty four to twenty eight, kind of a

1304
01:02:33,239 --> 01:02:35,920
nothing Burger there maybe speaks a little bit more to

1305
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,360
why I'm not super into him. But Herbert and Williams,

1306
01:02:38,679 --> 01:02:42,119
that's enough of a dramatic change out there to throw out.

1307
01:02:42,119 --> 01:02:43,880
And a couple of the players that are higher, just

1308
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,400
for one more perspective, let me get over to quarterbacks,

1309
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,079
and the projections higher than both of those guys are

1310
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:56,519
Patrick Mahomes, Trevor Lawrence, Dak Prescott, and Brock Purty relative

1311
01:02:56,559 --> 01:02:58,559
to Ranks and Jackson Dart I would throw out all

1312
01:02:58,599 --> 01:03:02,760
projected higher than both justin Herbert and Caleb Williams, not

1313
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:08,079
by other worldly dramatic numbers. I want to point out,

1314
01:03:08,159 --> 01:03:11,079
it's nothing creat Jackson Darts projected like the most, but

1315
01:03:11,159 --> 01:03:14,239
it's still within like half of a game total really,

1316
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,559
so they're all pretty close, but Herbert and Williams coming

1317
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:20,119
in quite a bit lower than their ECR. Yeah.

1318
01:03:20,199 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: I mean those numbers that you listed off for Caleb

1319
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:28,679
Williams projections are almost identical to what he did last year, right, So, like,

1320
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:33,679
is there is there no upside in Caleb Williams at all?

1321
01:03:34,159 --> 01:03:37,159
That's kind of my question. Give me his numbers again,

1322
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,280
what do you give him or what was projections given?

1323
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:40,320
How many passing yards.

1324
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 2: But like, I'll give you that to you, I guess

1325
01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:45,840
I look at more of the question of like, I

1326
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,760
guess I see what you're saying here, because it's there's

1327
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:51,639
also a really talented group volume passers Brock Party, Dak Prescott,

1328
01:03:51,639 --> 01:03:55,079
Trevor Lawrence's volume passers that are superseding him. Caleb is

1329
01:03:56,239 --> 01:03:58,039
thirty eight twenty seven on the passing.

1330
01:03:58,119 --> 01:04:01,079
Speaker 1: He was thirty nine forty two last year, twenty seven

1331
01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:04,039
and a half touchdowns twenty twenty seven last year. Okay,

1332
01:04:04,199 --> 01:04:06,760
nine picks seven last year.

1333
01:04:07,559 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 2: Essentially four hundred rushing yards.

1334
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 1: Three hundred and eighty three last year and two touchdowns

1335
01:04:12,199 --> 01:04:14,400
three touchdowns, So he's actually got worse.

1336
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like a little touchdowny regression stuff. But then

1337
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:22,280
in the same you have a healthy Dak, healthy Joe Burrow,

1338
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:23,440
Jackson Dart is healthy.

1339
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:23,719
Speaker 1: They are.

1340
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 2: It's cementing a couple of healthy quarterbacks that they think

1341
01:04:26,039 --> 01:04:27,199
have higher upside.

1342
01:04:27,639 --> 01:04:30,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was, I don't think they have a higher upside.

1343
01:04:30,159 --> 01:04:31,960
I think they have a safer floor. I think Dak

1344
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:36,280
has a safer floor than almost anybody. Right, Like, if

1345
01:04:36,519 --> 01:04:40,159
Dak plays, he's going to be great. That doesn't play

1346
01:04:40,159 --> 01:04:43,559
every game though, like he hasn't historically, so there's injury

1347
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:47,440
issues with him as well. So and he's older, so

1348
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,639
I don't know. I just think I understand where the

1349
01:04:51,639 --> 01:04:53,440
projections are coming from. And if you want to bake

1350
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,599
in the downside of those quarterbacks, okay, but I'm all

1351
01:04:56,599 --> 01:04:59,760
over Caleb Williams taking a step up and Justin Herbert

1352
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,360
having a better offensive line this year. So I just

1353
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,559
don't really agree with those two takes, that's all all right.

1354
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:08,719
Speaker 2: Finally, it is the tight ends in the top twelve

1355
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,199
five tight ends. There's plenty of numbers in here. You've

1356
01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:15,159
got Harold Fannin coming in at six, Kyle Pitts at seven,

1357
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,199
Dalton Kinkaid at ten, George Kittle at eleven, and Jake

1358
01:05:18,239 --> 01:05:22,599
Ferguson at twelve. They were all given the dreaded four

1359
01:05:23,159 --> 01:05:26,000
potential bust marker. I want to look at the upside

1360
01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:30,079
real quick. Ferguson and Kinkaid were not given the upside,

1361
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:33,559
though they were given below average only two on the upside.

1362
01:05:33,559 --> 01:05:35,480
Everybody else was kind of given the four, which is

1363
01:05:35,559 --> 01:05:38,880
the relative neutral number. That's kind of even though neutral

1364
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,840
is three, four is like kind of common amongst all

1365
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,920
of them. It's funny because I love King Kate, I

1366
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:50,440
love fannin this year. I like Pits enough. I think

1367
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:53,559
I've mentioned this before. I think the combo of like

1368
01:05:54,199 --> 01:05:56,719
a likely in Kittle or even if you want to

1369
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:00,039
go like another boring guy in Kittle, is incredible. I

1370
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:02,320
don't have strong feelings about Kincaid and Frank. They don't

1371
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,280
have strong feelings about Ferguson. So if you had to

1372
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:05,840
pick a tight end out of this group, that's a

1373
01:06:06,039 --> 01:06:09,800
that is a true bust. Is it is kinkate or bust.

1374
01:06:10,159 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: It's definitely kink to me. Like you know, they have

1375
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,639
other tight ends on the roster. They've added wide receiver

1376
01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:19,159
help in DJ Moore, So how does he get better?

1377
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,679
I don't think he does that. That's the guy for me.

1378
01:06:22,039 --> 01:06:24,800
I will say this, right, like with all of the

1379
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:29,320
past catchers that the Browns added, there's a chance for

1380
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,039
Harold Fannon to take a backstep. I still think he's

1381
01:06:32,039 --> 01:06:35,320
a tight end one no matter what, right, especially because

1382
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,199
in joke Who's Gone and all that, But there is

1383
01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:40,280
a chance for right in the backstep because Casey Concepcion

1384
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,199
is going to demand the ball. I think Denzel Boston

1385
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:45,559
was their favorite in camp. He was playing better than

1386
01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:49,400
anybody else. So like if those guys both work, there's

1387
01:06:49,559 --> 01:06:53,199
probably less there for Fannin. So I could squint and

1388
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,039
see Fannin like you know, unlike with the quarterbacks, unlike

1389
01:06:57,079 --> 01:06:59,320
with Kate Williams and Justin Herbert, I could see it

1390
01:06:59,679 --> 01:07:03,159
for I just wouldn't predict it. I think that he's

1391
01:07:03,159 --> 01:07:04,559
still going to lead them in reception.

1392
01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 2: I can appreciate that from week and half PPR from

1393
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,199
weeks ten on, so the back half of the season,

1394
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:14,199
only six tight ends, uh no, seven tight ends averaged

1395
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:19,440
ten or more points per game. Harold Fannon was in

1396
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,119
that list. I think he was number six. Brock Bauer

1397
01:07:22,199 --> 01:07:23,679
is a little confusing because he didn't play the last

1398
01:07:23,679 --> 01:07:26,559
two weeks, so from a total points perspective, he got

1399
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:29,880
Harold fan It actually's fifth. He averagedero point zero one

1400
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,559
more than brock Bauers per game during that time, not

1401
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total points. So I totally get what you're saying. I

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just I think he's the safety net. I think he

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got a lot of like big like you know, guys

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01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:42,159
like Isaia Bond stretching.

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Speaker 1: Well, he was a safety net for shador Is. He

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gonna be the same thing for Watson. That's a big question.

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Speaker 2: That is a fantastic question and more of a reason

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you want shador In there. I just really like Fannin.

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I think it's gonna be hard to get the ball

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out of his hands either, whether they're playing screen passes

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a lot, you know, keeping him in blocking situations for

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Jutkins and then play action just green pass to him.

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Stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Like, I really like, seventy two catches as a rookie

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tight end is enormous.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like especially for the cost, Like where's the

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01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:09,880
general ring?

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01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I like Isaiah likely had twenty seven catches

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01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,480
last year, you know what I mean? Yeah, Fan it

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had seventy two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Fannin in the seven late seventies of drafts,

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you know, tight end six late seventies. I mean, you know,

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01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:23,920
when you know you have to pay a top forty

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pick for Lovelan. Again, not trying to hate on Lovelin

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01:08:26,199 --> 01:08:28,439
or anything like that, or even Tyler Warren is in

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the fifties going into almost the eighties and getting Fan

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and I just I just really like that. I think

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Kittle's an answer. I think Ferguson maybe Ferguson definitely can.

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01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:38,479
Like you know, you got one hundred targets and you

1430
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:40,079
can see some pickens.

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Speaker 1: Both stay healthy all year, What is left for Ferguson.

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01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 2: That's what I'm getting with. If they're both healthy and

1433
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,680
Flora is taking a step up, maybe Ferguson's upside isn't

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quite there. So if I'm busting I'm probably I'm definitely

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01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:53,640
busting Kincaid. I'm busting for I think Kittle being on

1436
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:55,359
here is kind of silly, to be honest with you,

1437
01:08:55,399 --> 01:08:57,920
because it's like you already know what you're in for. Yeah,

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the next list of thirteen through twenty three, I be honestly,

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01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:04,840
it's almost everybody likely Goddard, Andrews, Gadsden, Henry, Sadiq and Hawkinson.

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01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:09,319
It's kind of silly on this list. The true markers here,

1441
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:11,680
I think are right in the middle. I think Andrews,

1442
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:15,399
Gadsden and Henry are them. You're gonna disagree with Andrews

1443
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because I know you haven't ranked really high.

1444
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:18,319
Speaker 1: I'm no likely.

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01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,319
Speaker 2: I know that there's no likely. I think that's great

1446
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,760
are but there also might not be anymore Andrews, like

1447
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,239
he just might be washed, like he couldn't stay he

1448
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:29,079
couldn't stay healthy. They didn't trust him in any situations.

1449
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:31,319
I just don't know if he has being holed up

1450
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:33,439
in the season, so why pay a high price for him?

1451
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,439
So I'm a bust kind of on Andrews based on

1452
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,520
how I think people like Andrew Erickson you are going

1453
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,399
to value him. And I think the most popular one

1454
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:44,920
is Aronda Gadston. Like I remember Get a tight End

1455
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,800
episode and everyone was like, Nope, nothing on Gadsden anymore.

1456
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:49,399
Is there anybody else in this list that you think

1457
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:50,720
kind of fits that mold?

1458
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,079
Speaker 1: I don't know why Sidiq is this high, Like I

1459
01:09:53,119 --> 01:09:55,439
get it, he is a first round pick, but to

1460
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,159
be a tight end, even a tight end to the Jets.

1461
01:09:58,199 --> 01:09:59,920
The Jets are looking for pass catches, right, but we

1462
01:10:00,039 --> 01:10:03,279
talked about Adnai Mitchell and Omar Cooper in the last episode,

1463
01:10:03,359 --> 01:10:07,960
So I'm I just I don't think and they drafted

1464
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,800
Mason Taylor, right, so I think Mason Taylor might start

1465
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,199
the year as the number one tight end. So I

1466
01:10:14,319 --> 01:10:16,479
just I don't think Sadik is going to have much

1467
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,239
work as a as a rookie.

1468
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 2: The most interesting thing that comes of this because I

1469
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:24,560
saw this a little bit earlier. Is t is Tucker

1470
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,840
Craft when we go to projections versus ECR, this is

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01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,279
And I think this has to do with a lot

1472
01:10:30,319 --> 01:10:33,159
with volume, obviously missed time and stuff.

1473
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: Like maybe coming off the injury too.

1474
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're coming up the injury. There's a volume situation.

1475
01:10:37,239 --> 01:10:38,760
There's still a lot of mouths to feed. I think

1476
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,000
there's touchdown equity, but I think people are worried about

1477
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,880
what the target share ultimately is. Tucker Craft is the

1478
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,800
tight end five in ECR, but he is tenth in projections.

1479
01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:50,359
And I know he's a love child of many here

1480
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:54,079
projected fifty eight catches though seven forty nine and six touchdowns.

1481
01:10:54,119 --> 01:10:56,920
I gotta be honest with you. I don't think that's unreasonable.

1482
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,720
Maybe the touchdowns go up. You know, love definitely likes

1483
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:01,600
him if he can stay healthy. I see a world

1484
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,000
where he's catching nine or ten touchdowns. Maybe the yards

1485
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,279
are down, and that probably pushes him as a top five.

1486
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,960
But seven fifty with six touchdowns and almost sixty catches

1487
01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:12,600
is no better than projected tenth tight end in here.

1488
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:13,920
So that's kind of an eye opener.

1489
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, man like Tucker was really really

1490
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:22,479
good last year before getting hurt. Now, obviously Christian Watson

1491
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:24,880
was gone in that time. I think Jayden Reid also

1492
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:29,319
got hurt there, So you know, you can squint and

1493
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:32,800
see it for Tucker Craft. But I don't know, dude.

1494
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:34,800
I think he's an elite tight end if healthy. Now

1495
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,359
there are big questions going to camp, which is I

1496
01:11:38,359 --> 01:11:43,039
think part of this right is that we're not He

1497
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:45,680
is not guaranteed for Week one quite yet, but I

1498
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:47,640
think he'll get there and I think he'll be okay.

1499
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:51,680
So I'm I'm a fade on the fade of Tucker Craft.

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01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 2: Two more touchdowns would put him as projected tight end seven,

1501
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,920
So just think about that. But I'm that's a good

1502
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:02,840
and also not a great thing when you're the tight

1503
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:04,479
end five fans.

1504
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: We'll do this two touchdowns less, so twelve fewer points.

1505
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:08,439
Where does he go?

1506
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 2: Twelve fewer points would so he only scores four touchdowns.

1507
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,560
There's one he would man, he would be down with

1508
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,439
Juwan Johnson. That would be like tight end like seventeen.

1509
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:25,920
There you go, yeah, so some volatility there. Also our boy,

1510
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,960
we talked about him, Chicka Koko twentieth an ECR, but

1511
01:12:29,079 --> 01:12:33,079
twenty six and projections. We said, the projections look really weird.

1512
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:37,560
Aronda Gadsden e c R seventeen projected twenty seven.

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01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,279
Speaker 1: Biggest difference of any player, yep, outside of maybe Eli

1514
01:12:41,359 --> 01:12:44,079
Stowers down here, but we're talking about buried tight ends.

1515
01:12:44,119 --> 01:12:48,720
But he's the biggest of ours here ten points. I

1516
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,720
could see this going either way. Now, I'm firmly on

1517
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:56,319
the I don't want Jake, I don't want Ronde Gaston's side, right.

1518
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,840
I think he had thirty four point seven percent of

1519
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:00,800
his projection or somewhere in that neighborhood. It was over

1520
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:05,600
thirty percent. Was in two games last year, So on

1521
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:07,399
a week to week basis, I don't think you can

1522
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:12,119
count on him. I don't know. I think he's better

1523
01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:13,880
than twenty seven. I think he's still going to be

1524
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,640
a tight end too, but not much more than that.

1525
01:13:17,239 --> 01:13:18,159
So it's a.

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01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 2: Very interesting list kind of across the board. You know,

1527
01:13:21,039 --> 01:13:23,920
you take a look at the projection versus the ECR

1528
01:13:24,039 --> 01:13:26,159
and the players that don't add up. Do you buy it?

1529
01:13:26,199 --> 01:13:29,039
Do you sell it? There's a litany of names just

1530
01:13:29,079 --> 01:13:31,520
by virtue of like you know these systems, you know,

1531
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,399
the systems spitting out like there's high upside, and you

1532
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:36,439
know that gets a little bit more refined. I think

1533
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:40,119
as the seasons that we get in season also, I

1534
01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:42,840
think I actually want to kind of talk and see

1535
01:13:43,279 --> 01:13:46,520
what's behind. I know obviously it's like volatility injuries. I

1536
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,560
love that there were lots of names because it's I

1537
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,960
think it creates fun conversation. But when you do dig in,

1538
01:13:51,039 --> 01:13:54,159
like who are really the ones that have the highest

1539
01:13:54,199 --> 01:13:56,600
bus potential that people are talking about? There's a handful

1540
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,319
of names we did across the board, but we talked

1541
01:13:58,319 --> 01:14:00,359
about a lot of them. Hopefully you guys done it,

1542
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but doug it. But who's busting for you? Who are

1543
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the players that you think or bust this season? You

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guys can let us know what do you agree and

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