WEBVTT 1 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:04.280 Don't biological effects of the space environment. Doctors flight form 2 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:10.599 as you search for as analyze extra interrestrial life, do 3 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:13.959 develop experiments or fanned space flight would. 4 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:16.120 Use the specialty util of these that the training. 5 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:21.439 About as a sector stipulator anti vadu by pretty doctoral 6 00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:25.799 training or scientists engineer and gratico space fid or search 7 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:28.799 project a laboratory to somebody best. 8 00:01:28.640 --> 00:01:31.799 The US, the university resorted or the national state of. 9 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:36.959 Do you develop a plant be able to do for 10 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:37.840 while in? 11 00:01:38.000 --> 00:02:41.199 All right, welcome back to Rise to Liberty podcast. I 12 00:02:41.319 --> 00:02:44.759 hope everyone enjoyed the new opening. Put a lot of 13 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:47.879 work into that, so I thought it was a pretty badass. 14 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:54.280 But today's guest is Jose Galisan of the Norway Jose Podcast. 15 00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:58.080 Real quick, before we get into that, though, I just 16 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:01.439 want to tell everyone to go hop over Tondu shave 17 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:05.360 Co dot com. Use promo code rise fifteen get fifteen 18 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:09.400 percent off. It's a veteran, own, family operated business and 19 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:12.680 you just can't go wrong. I mean, this is a 20 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:15.879 company that actually cares about their customers, providing a high 21 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:20.000 quality product. The day's a big shave or over. 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So how's that still seems hot 35 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:02.719 to me? You can ask the chat, I mean, they'll 36 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:05.919 tell better than I can, but it comes off pretty hot. 37 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:08.639 Keep on a talking, let's see chat. 38 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:12.360 Let me know how's how that is working for you? 39 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:17.439 Down there? You go, that's something? 40 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:21.639 Well all right, how does that sound better? 41 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:23.800 Yeah? Better? All right? All right? 42 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:30.720 All right, okay, Well with that, let's just jump straight 43 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:33.639 into it. So first and foremost, I mean, this is 44 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:36.720 the first time you've been on my show, So do 45 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:38.959 you kind of want to just give a rundown who 46 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:43.560 you are and like what your show's about, kind of 47 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:44.639 how you got into all of. 48 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:51.120 This, Yeah, who's a galley Son podcaster? I guess I 49 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:54.279 dabble and research. I get I get this. I get 50 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:56.439 this a lot from like a lot of the researcher types. 51 00:04:56.480 --> 00:04:58.399 They shit on me for not being a researcher, and 52 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:01.000 it's like, well, I'm not really, but I have dabbled, 53 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:03.680 so I can see why people can see that. At 54 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:06.079 some point I would like to dig more into research 55 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:07.879 could but I have dabbled a little bit. I have 56 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:11.199 a particularly in this topic is probably where I've dabbled 57 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:14.600 the most, and actually getting involved in the doing some 58 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:18.279 real work involved to it, in some actual research. I 59 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:19.879 mean in a certain sense. I guess all all of 60 00:05:19.959 --> 00:05:23.160 us podcasters are researchers. We're just I don't know, finding 61 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:25.360 stuff we find interesting and sharing it with the world. 62 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:28.879 So that's really all I'm doing. Uh, And it seems 63 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:31.399 like I found a semi decent following along the way 64 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:36.279 I've I guess, semi decents what you could call success 65 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:39.800 in the realm of podcasting. You know, I'm by no 66 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:43.319 means fucking like killing it and then the like a 67 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:46.199 six figuring it up in podcasting everything. I haven't made 68 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:49.720 it rich, but I'm doing Okay, I guess in the 69 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:52.879 context of what podcasting is. So I've had a fun time, 70 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:55.639 but I kind of started out I cut my teeth 71 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:58.279 on theory, libertaty and theory is kind of I started 72 00:05:58.360 --> 00:06:02.519 on a lot on Probably first couple hundred episodes were 73 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:05.720 probably almost exclusively we're like this, this was a this 74 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:09.240 No Way Jose was a theory podcast. And then at 75 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:12.160 some point, really the major turning point was when I 76 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:15.240 covered the Oklahoma City bombing. Is I think that's when 77 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:17.160 I really just, I don't know, something about that drove 78 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:19.279 my interest. I just I don't know. I think it's 79 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:22.279 maybe just a sign of times two, a lot going on. 80 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:24.759 I just lost interest in the theory side of things, 81 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:27.680 which I'm kind of add and obsessive like that. So 82 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:29.639 I'm sure maybe I'll come back to it at some point, 83 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:34.120 but you know, I kind of dropped it. But so 84 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:36.000 I I mean, I leave it and leave it open 85 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:38.439 to come back to it. That's the beautiful nature of 86 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:41.879 having a podcast that's called something like No Way Jose. Like, 87 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:44.199 I haven't tied myself to anything. I can talk about 88 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:46.360 whatever the hell I want. But as of right now, 89 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:50.959 this show is pretty much a parapolitical podcast. I do 90 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:54.399 a daily a live stream kind of like a morning 91 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:58.120 show thing. It's at ten am Eastern. I say daily, 92 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:00.160 but it's like Monday through Friday, you know, weekend. They're 93 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:02.759 kind of like bonuses. We do those quite frequently. That's 94 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:05.639 me and my buddy Austin, who is more of a 95 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:08.560 researcher less of a podcaster. I'm more of a podcast 96 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:13.000 less of a researcher. Together, we make a podcaster researcher together. 97 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:16.759 So but so he is, he's there like kind of 98 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:19.079 the research guy. But he me and him both host 99 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:21.160 those morning dumps, so we'll kind of alternate or do 100 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:24.560 them together depending on who's available. That's just a hangout thing, 101 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:26.920 So that's just kind of hanging out. I call it 102 00:07:26.920 --> 00:07:28.800 a dump because it's kind of like a research dump 103 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:31.000 of sorts, but it's also like a morning show. So 104 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:33.800 we kind of dig through the latest and then also 105 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:37.160 kind of maybe some old research. And then yeah, we 106 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:39.160 have a weekly live show we do, and then we 107 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:41.560 have our solo work, which is kind of like, you know, 108 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:44.680 stuff like I've been having you on lately to cover 109 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:47.240 the false memory syndrome. We have a whole series on 110 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:49.560 that I've kind of made a knack. I've done a 111 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:52.920 lot of series, and a lot of those are with Austin. 112 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:55.680 Like we mentioned earlier, I've done like a Finder series 113 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:58.639 with him, and and we've done quite a few we 114 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:01.399 to Jonestown, so I mean and him, I've done a 115 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:03.120 lot of work together. We've kind of been a little 116 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:06.040 bit of a team. We have our own separate platforms, 117 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:08.959 but we do essentially two shows together that go on 118 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:11.120 both on our platforms. But we have our own solo 119 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:14.279 work as well. But he's more of the you know, 120 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:19.279 produced solo research work. Where do I do more like 121 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:23.959 you know, I'm more of them podcaster interviews, discussions, sepphal 122 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:25.800 of those like. So you can kind of get your 123 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:28.560 fill of both of us from both of our platforms 124 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:30.920 with I mean, he's over on the Underclass podcast, but 125 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:34.000 two out of three of his shows feature on my 126 00:08:34.279 --> 00:08:37.320 channel as well, so and vice versa with my stuff. 127 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:38.879 So that's that's kind of who I am. I guess. 128 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:40.440 I mean, I guess don't really say at all who 129 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:43.000 I am particular, I guess if anyone who actually gives 130 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:44.720 a shit about that, I mean, I know, I'm a 131 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:49.679 dad husband, I mean, I have have two teenage girls, 132 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:52.720 well one teenage girl, one's about to be teenager somewhat soon. 133 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:54.240 I did. 134 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:57.159 I was active duty military for eleven years, and I 135 00:08:57.240 --> 00:08:59.919 got out during the time while I was a podcast 136 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:03.159 So as around that like twenty twenty time frame, what 137 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:05.519 was it, twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, I forget 138 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:08.240 the exact year, but either way, roughly in that timeframe 139 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:10.919 is when I got out. That was when I was podcasting. 140 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:13.240 So I don't know. I guess those are kind of 141 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:16.200 significant things to know about me. Not really much special 142 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:18.840 about me. I did get really sucked into the local 143 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:20.720 and stity bombing is kind of what most people know 144 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:23.840 me before. I guess not most people. I mean I 145 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:26.440 say that like as if a bunch of people know me, 146 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:28.559 but I don't know. That would be probably one of 147 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:31.399 the thing I'm best known for people. I've done a 148 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:33.519 lot of coverage in OKLHO and city bombing, but in 149 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:37.000 general I do a lot of talking on parapolitical stuff, 150 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:39.720 like We're getting ready to go on. We were talking 151 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:41.399 for you, so I get ready go on, Jake Shields 152 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:44.799 and we're gonna talk about We're gonna do almost like 153 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:48.879 a two episode series of sorts I think, starting with 154 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:51.600 Oklahoma City bombing and ending with like, you know, the 155 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:54.639 first one like Oklahoma City bombing, the second one ending 156 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:58.279 with like Finders and Dutroux type stuff, and so kind 157 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:00.799 of weaving from one to the other. The big the 158 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:03.840 larger narrative being Gladio. I mean, we've gone we went 159 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:06.320 on Triple Show recently kind of laid out the theory 160 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:08.559 of everything with Gladio. So I don't know, that's just 161 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:12.759 kind of our wheelhouse, just a parapolitical funness. So I 162 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:15.360 guess it's we para politicals just a cleaned up way 163 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:19.080 of saying conspiracy. Really, but I feel like it leads 164 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:21.080 to this flavor too of like we usually try to 165 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:24.480 like to come from a here's the sources tripe angle. 166 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:26.320 Like it doesn't mean I'm gonna be perfect about every 167 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:28.960 little thing. We are running a show. To some extent 168 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:31.200 there will be a little bit of info wars vibe 169 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:33.039 to it, but for the most part we do try 170 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:36.159 to come from a place of truth and not truth 171 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:39.840 TM like a truth Oh here's this document, here's this 172 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:42.879 Oh you know, you gave some pushback, here's this other document. 173 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:46.600 Oh maybe I'm wrong uh, just that that kind of perspective. 174 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:50.600 So that's who I am, That's what I'm about. I 175 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:52.679 don't know, yeah, that's a really I mean, I don't 176 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:55.360 have a whole lot to say for myself aside from that, But. 177 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:55.960 I don't know. 178 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:58.039 We have fun on our show, uh you know, we 179 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.679 we we hang out, we cover fun stuff. So good 180 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:04.200 place for current events and past events, I would think so. 181 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:09.480 But yeah, right, I mean, I've totally made totally made 182 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:14.759 the morning Dump part of my daily routine at this point. 183 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:19.600 So it's just I'm not a big fan of a 184 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:22.039 lot of morning shows, and now I finally found one 185 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:24.720 that I like with you guys, and you know, Austin's 186 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.039 been on my show a couple of times now talk 187 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:31.399 about the Vegas shooting and our first episode we kind 188 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:34.600 of just touched on, like lightly touched on like a 189 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:39.919 bunch of different topics and stuff. So you know, I 190 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:42.279 kind of actually have like the same arc as you, 191 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:45.639 like obviously with the name like Rise to Liberty, Like 192 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:52.519 I kind of started with libertarian stuff and started twenty 193 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:56.279 twenty one or twenty two, I don't know. I started 194 00:11:56.320 --> 00:12:00.039 around the same time as Kyle Matovic and him and 195 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:03.000 I like launched like within maybe like a week or 196 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:07.840 two of each other, and it's just kind of interesting. 197 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:10.519 I started because I saw like this attack on free 198 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:13.000 speech and stuff, and I was like, even if the 199 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:17.159 market is oversaturated, I don't really care. We should just 200 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:19.799 flood the market with as much free speech as possible. 201 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:24.720 And then I started realizing just like how lame libertarianism is. 202 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:30.679 The ideas are great, the people suck, and so I'm 203 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:34.559 just I'm just way more interested in things that I've 204 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:36.679 been interested long before libertarianism. 205 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:39.720 If we're gonna do origins, it's been a while since 206 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:41.919 I've done that one and A that's a deep lore. 207 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:45.519 That's kind of fun. I guess kind of was what 208 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:49.840 started me podcasting, was I actually when I first started, 209 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:55.759 it was peak peak peak COVID, I guess peak lockdowns, 210 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:57.159 like when we were at the top, like I was, 211 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:00.480 I was reeling, I was losing my mind, was freaking 212 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:02.600 the fuck out, like everything that I had read about 213 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:05.840 was coming true. I was not prepared in my life. 214 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:08.919 I was still activity military, like I was not. I 215 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:11.919 was not ready for the boogloo to go down. That's like, 216 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:14.200 that's the kind of the way I saw things and 217 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:17.679 so one thing that we were doing is this, before 218 00:13:17.799 --> 00:13:21.240 we saw the huge tech censorship, Facebook used to be 219 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:24.600 a really great tool, especially for community building for groups. 220 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:27.600 And we took that and we applied that concept and 221 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:31.159 we're trying to apply like network concepts, and we created 222 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:34.720 what we called the Liberty Movement. And this was an idea, 223 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:37.879 and we also had this concept just kind of I 224 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:41.000 guess rooted a little bit like Agoris type concepts. We 225 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.080 had this idea that we thought, like the political is 226 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:46.000 what kind of really caused the issue with when it 227 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:49.159 comes to libertarians generally or liberty minded people. And so 228 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:51.519 that was kind of like, hey, we're not this is 229 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:53.559 just a group for you guys to hang out whatever. 230 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:57.159 This doesn't explicitly vote for this guy, vote for that guy, whatever, 231 00:13:57.279 --> 00:13:59.559 you guys talk about it. But essentially the idea was 232 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:02.480 just face but groups. And from there there was almost 233 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:05.159 like a network concept to it, like we had different 234 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:07.320 groups that were for different concept and then groups that 235 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:09.480 were more local. Like so when then we even had 236 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:12.200 all the way down to countries, we had country ones. 237 00:14:12.279 --> 00:14:16.000 We had it like very well organized down to like countries, states, 238 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:17.320 and so the idea was we were just trying to 239 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:19.440 get it, so people had like real world networks to 240 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:21.679 be kind of build meet up and stuff like that, 241 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:24.799 and uh, that just kind of ended up honestly, the 242 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:27.440 really we actually I thought we're really making some good 243 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:29.120 headway and a lot of cool things wrapping. We had 244 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:30.720 a couple of local meetups where I was at, and 245 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:32.960 we kind of made some local chapters and other places 246 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:35.799 did as well. Uh, but it did kind of fall apart. 247 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:38.279 I really blamed the Facebook censorship for that. Honestly, it 248 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:42.399 became Facebook became completely untenable, and it happened so quickly. 249 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:44.879 It was like we weren't able to really because we 250 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:46.799 did try to like shift like mi wei and other 251 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:50.600 shit like that. But anyways, the podcast was actually born 252 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:53.440 out of that. It was part of a kind of 253 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:56.279 a promotional like idea to kind of promote it and 254 00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:58.679 also kind of promote the concept because because I was 255 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:01.519 also like I was doing my own show to kind 256 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:03.120 of like promote it the idea. But really what I 257 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:05.600 was trying to do was feature other people's shows, especially 258 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:08.840 startup shows or people with similar concepts, and feature them 259 00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:10.840 on the channel and then almost have like a daily 260 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:13.799 content and then just be different shows and I had 261 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:16.440 a few different shows that I was doing anyways, long 262 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:19.039 story short, that became too untenable. The other show kind 263 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:21.480 of I kind of found I was liking podcasting, but 264 00:15:21.879 --> 00:15:24.120 it was born completely a promotional thing. It was kind 265 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:27.000 of dragging, you know, kicking and screaming because like other 266 00:15:27.159 --> 00:15:29.279 admins in the group were like, Hey, this is totally 267 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:31.279 something you should do, you would be good at it, 268 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:33.639 you're good about you like to talk about these things. 269 00:15:34.279 --> 00:15:36.679 And the rest is kind of history. And then overtime 270 00:15:36.759 --> 00:15:40.480 it like the what was called the Liberty Movement, which 271 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:44.159 is the original YouTube channel slowly, and then I had 272 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:46.480 No Way Jose but which is a was a show 273 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:49.320 that featured on the Liberty Movement. Eventually, No Way Jose 274 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:52.399 took off and Liberty Movement just kind of fizzled out. 275 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:55.559 So but you can blame Zuckerberg for that one. That 276 00:15:55.639 --> 00:16:00.279 we don't have this illustrious, beautiful, thriving liberty movie meant 277 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:02.879 the thing imagic. So it was actually kind of probing 278 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:04.759 a little bit for there for a minute, we had 279 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:07.679 a lot of stuff happening, but it, uh, yeah, shit 280 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:09.480 got rough. But that's yeah, that's I don't know, I 281 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:10.960 just I don't know why. I felt like sharing that 282 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:13.799 just was some error called some old war that I 283 00:16:13.879 --> 00:16:16.159 was like I had forg almost fart forgotten entirely about 284 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:17.240 that ever happening. 285 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:21.440 Right, No, And it's it's weird. I feel like I 286 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:24.720 have almost the exact same mark, because I mean I 287 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:30.679 was doing uh I'm actually still county chair of my 288 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:35.879 local county LP. It ended up disbanding and then I 289 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:38.440 came in started the whole thing, built it from the 290 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:41.440 ground up and did that for like two and a 291 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:48.720 half years, and it just it's just done now, I mean, 292 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:53.360 and I don't know, nobody really gives a shit, you know. 293 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:57.639 And so it started off really strong. People were coming 294 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:03.039 out doing things, and then people want you to be 295 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:07.599 doing something, but you have to have people to do things, 296 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:10.119 and we couldn't get people to come out, and so 297 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:13.279 it was like this like weird vicious circle, not being 298 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:16.720 able to get people to come out more than an 299 00:17:16.759 --> 00:17:19.680 hour once a month, and it's like, Okay, well this 300 00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:22.559 just isn't worth it. There's better ways to spread liberty. 301 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:27.000 And as far as the podcast thing goes, like I'm 302 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:31.319 with you, I enjoy podcasting, but you know, I enjoy 303 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:35.400 the ideas It's just every time I cover anything like 304 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:42.839 specifically libertarian view viewership just tanks every time, and it's like, oh, well, 305 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:46.079 I mean I'm interested in more things than just that. 306 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:54.880 And actually with your show, with your Oklahoma City, I 307 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:58.759 guess your series. I don't know why it was so 308 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:01.160 hard for me to figure out that word, but your 309 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:07.880 your Oklahoma series, I had actually never thought of Oklahoma 310 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:11.400 City like in that way at all. I mean I've 311 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:15.960 been a I guess conspiracy theorist since maybe junior high, 312 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:19.640 you know, like that's when I started really getting into it. 313 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:24.680 That's when I found Alex Jones, and so pretty much 314 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:29.200 since then, you know, I've covered or been into all 315 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:32.680 sorts of topics. But I had never thought of Oklahoma 316 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:36.279 City until I saw your show. And then I just, 317 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:39.599 like binge, watched all of your episodes and then just 318 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:43.880 consumed everything that I could possibly get my hands on, 319 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:49.519 so to kind of move things along. Where did you 320 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:51.160 find Oklahoma City? 321 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:51.359 Like? 322 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:53.160 Where where did that come along? 323 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:54.359 Well? 324 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:57.119 I mean I think I was like kind of sort 325 00:18:57.160 --> 00:18:59.839 of a little bit of awareness. I mean I really 326 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:03.519 didn't have any sort of real, I guess awareness of 327 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:06.680 the Oklahoma City bombing before really my coverage started. So 328 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:08.599 I think that's part of what I guess made my 329 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:10.599 you know, coverage a little bit unique, is that I 330 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:12.319 think it was like I was kind of learning along 331 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:15.480 with the audience through it all, and I got essentially 332 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:17.960 an expert on to kind of cover it with me. 333 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:24.000 But what really got me started was an edit, which 334 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:25.920 you know, I've told this story many times. There was 335 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:30.240 a Jinx edit crack connoisseur on Twitter I think is 336 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:33.079 a I don't think his account exists anymore. I assume 337 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:35.720 you at the activator or something. I doubt he got nuked, 338 00:19:35.799 --> 00:19:39.200 but anyways, he I mean, he's been nuked many many times. 339 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:43.920 But he had this Terence Yeky edit which really caught 340 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:48.240 my eye slash ear, I really tugged at my heart strings. 341 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:51.079 I was also just kind of incredulous, like this seems 342 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:54.000 nuts like kind of story that was being told in 343 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:58.279 that two to three minute little musical you know rendition, which, 344 00:19:58.319 --> 00:19:59.960 for those aren't aware what a Twitter edit, that's kind 345 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:02.160 you know, it's kind of a kind of like your 346 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:04.519 intro at the beginning here, it's kind of a on 347 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:08.200 a different audio and video intersplice with you know a 348 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:11.720 lot of maybe like different documents or usually telling a story, 349 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:16.920 I mean, in the very common the conspiracy landscape. So 350 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:18.680 I saw that and then just kind of kind of 351 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:21.920 freaking blew my mind. It's like, holy crap. So I 352 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:23.240 went and looked into It's just kind of like this 353 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:25.759 can't be real that the story Terreen's Yiky went looked 354 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:26.680 into it, and I was kind of like the more 355 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:28.279 look at him, like more, I'm like, oh my god. 356 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:31.599 And so that's when the Terren' Yeky story that really 357 00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:33.640 just kind of like holy moly. And then I just 358 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:36.279 kind of put a call out to the world, I guess, 359 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:38.920 and I was like I don't remember exactly what I said, 360 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:40.480 but something along the lines of like, Hey, who do 361 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:43.440 I need to get to cover locals to be bombing? 362 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:46.039 I want to cover this on the show. And I 363 00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:49.319 heard from multiple people, I think Scott Horton being one 364 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:52.920 of them. Hey, get Richard booth On. And Richard booth 365 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:55.720 He is the I call him the crypt keeper of 366 00:20:55.880 --> 00:21:00.400 the of the Libertarian Institute Oklahoma City Bombing are Archive, 367 00:21:01.039 --> 00:21:05.319 which that is the largest public you know, Oklahoma City 368 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:09.960 Bombing Archive of you know, I guess public documents. I 369 00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:11.720 guess is the way to put it, just different to 370 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:16.880 different any documents or anything you know concerning it, different articles, whatever, 371 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:19.599 anything can really think of. Is a repository of information 372 00:21:20.319 --> 00:21:22.799 for that. It's the largest public one out there, and 373 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:26.119 that's a that's hosted by the the Libertarian Institute, which 374 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:30.039 is Scott Horton's website. So and it's you know, it's 375 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:32.680 Richard Booth, the one who like handles manages it pretty 376 00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:36.319 much entirely, and it's essentially it's essentially Google for the 377 00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:38.440 Oklahoma City bombing. So you go in there and you 378 00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:41.920 type in yiky and then boom, it brings up all 379 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:45.319 the different documents and articles and whatever if three o 380 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:50.400 two reports whatever concerning it to him, you know, anything 381 00:21:50.920 --> 00:21:53.319 you know relating to that. So it's kind of you know, 382 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:58.000 depending on keywords, searts related. Anyways, it was so then 383 00:21:58.039 --> 00:22:01.680 I got him and we spent and around i'd say 384 00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:05.960 probably around fifteen hours on a series. There's a bonus 385 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:07.839 episode in there with Ken Silvan in the middle, and 386 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:13.759 also there are other primary sources interviews throughout there. I 387 00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:18.200 interviewed Tanya Yiki, which was a incredible treat because that 388 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:21.880 was kind of what starred me down this road she was. 389 00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:24.359 I just I never would have imagined interviewing her. She 390 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:28.079 hadn't been interviewed and since back into the nineties, so 391 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:29.720 it was like ninety six I think the last time 392 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:32.720 she was interviewed. Also interviewed Steve Vasser, which was one 393 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:35.440 of the best friends of Yiki, and you know, done 394 00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:38.000 a number of other things related to this and made 395 00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:40.960 some I think some actual research happened, So I think 396 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:43.720 that's cool. Whether that was me or have I just 397 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:46.359 kind of facilitated it, So I don't know. It's kind 398 00:22:46.400 --> 00:22:48.519 of cool to think I've had some sort of footprint 399 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:50.759 on this story and hopefully I can continue to have more, 400 00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:53.519 because I do think this is a super important story too, 401 00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:56.039