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Speaker 1: Creativity is an addiction. I'm blessed with the opportunity to

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talk with a lot of creative people. And when we

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get on that subject of where does it come from,

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how do we preserve it, how do we even have

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to live with it? And why do we have to

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live with it unplugged? Because we will always say yes

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to creativity totally uncut because we all make mistakes. So

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turn it into a tool. This is arrow unplugged.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Zara, this is deprag. We defrag a few different

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vices every day.

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Speaker 1: I have a written journal for that, Detragon and I

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also take transition walks going through this forest a thirty

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nine degree morning. It's just past eleven o'clock in the morning.

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It's been raining all night. The mountains are getting a

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lot of snow. Yeah, we're out here, and says the

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transition walk is so important. That's this idea of trusting.

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Defragging is really really a point beingly disciplined.

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Speaker 2: Need.

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Speaker 1: Fragging is having an honest to God conversation with the

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celts that you are the one that's being controlled by

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other people. You know that person in the mirror and

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it's like who sounds like who? Yeah, that's the person.

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And the question is do you know who I've been

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a daily writer for twenty nine years. Do you think

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that I know who I am? Who is my whop?

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I have an idea I'm getting closer to other day.

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But the thing about being a human being is is

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that every day we change, we evolve. We don't get

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used to the selves that we are unless we physically say,

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you know what, I can't do it anymore. So I'm

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just going to sit down and complain.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: I know so many of those people, and even though

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through the love of God and through patience, you try

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to hear their side, and it's like, no, no, no,

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I'm only digging a hole to put my head in

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while they continue to steal all the sunshine.

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Speaker 2: This is deep rag.

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Speaker 1: Julia Cameron in her brand new book I brought up

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something that was very important and it really did touch

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my heart today. I've been studying Julia Cameron since July

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nineteen ninety four. Every book, trust Me, every book. I

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spoke for two and a half years at Barnes and

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Noble to writers, to dreamers, to creative people, and it

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was all fed by the lessons that I learned through

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Julia Cameron. No, I didn't have a blessing, but what

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I had I had the testimony of what having her

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as a tool had done to me as a creative

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That was on this journey of wondering, who am I?

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Speaker 2: Who is this? Who? Why does this? Who thinks he's

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got to take over everything that I do? Who? Well,

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you ask questions and then you question answers. Well.

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Speaker 1: In Julia Cameron's brand new book, she deals with the

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subject of not only anxiety, but vulnerability. That people of

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creativity are constantly vulnerable, and we're easily hurt, and so

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we quickly put away the things that we create because

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we don't feel like that's what we need to do.

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Studen Fredick today said, he says, this is not about

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a feeling, this is about faith.

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Speaker 2: Wow, hold on a second here, you're right.

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Speaker 1: How many times have we said, well, I'm just not

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feeling it right now? Well, you know what, put some

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faith in the game. Then get your hands dirty a

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little bit. Because creative people are vulnerable and we decide

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that we don't want to write, we don't want to

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go into the kitchen and cook, We just want to

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just mope complain. The thing is, that's the best time

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to do it. Anxiety is actually fuel. You know, you

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get your hopes up high, or you got that fear

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of failure. Oh man, that's one of my greatest times

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to be a writer. And she's right, it's fuel. But

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with vulnerability, what happens is is that when you shut

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down going I don't know what to write about. I

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don't know what to do. I don't know how to do.

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I don't I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't. Well,

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that's exactly what you should do. Answer the question. The

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question is why don't you know how what's happened here

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to where suddenly there's a light switch. That's your subject

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who is in control of your who being? And if

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there's something such as vulnerability that's getting in the way,

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then create something around it.

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Speaker 2: If you're a songwriter, do a song about it.

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Speaker 1: If you're a business leader and your team sucks and

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you don't know what to do about it, write about it.

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Be honest with yourself on the page. Look, we don't

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live a perfect life. You're never going to get a

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perfect life. And if you're ever given a perfect team,

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trust me, it's gonna last about three or three weeks.

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It doesn't matter what kind of a deep head driver

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you are of success, you're not always going to have

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daily victories. It is absolutely, one hundred percent completely natural

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to want to shut it down.

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Speaker 2: To go feel sorry for yourself. Oh there's that way

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of feeling again. It is absolutely one hundred percent perfect

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you to want to listen to what the situation is.

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But the question is what got you in?

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Speaker 1: Well, let's speak braggant, let's ask the questions, let's question

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the answers when you have those moments, in those mindsets

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where things aren't happening the way that you envision Princess,

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I'm not having a good month with the podcast after

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two records setting listening months, I mean brilliant listening patterns.

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I thought maybe something was truly popping. Well, it's one

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hundred percent the exact opposite. In this moment of now

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and through dfragging, I'm asking the question, do we need

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to make a change, No, we don't need to make

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a change.

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Speaker 2: Well, tell me why we don't need to make a change.

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Speaker 1: Is it time to create a new format to be

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able to do things differently? And what came out of

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my defragged writing instrument was something that really caught me

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off guard. I don't quit anything. What happens is is

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that by listening to myself and defragging, I evolve with

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the shows, with the episodes.

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Speaker 2: The things that.

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Speaker 1: I believe are bad habits eventually begin to fade because

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I'm not afraid of trying new ideas and new things.

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You keep the same formatics, but you try a different

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twist and you move through things in a way that says,

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you know what today, this is going to be based

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on faith. And when I say faith, you know what,

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I'm not going all about with Jesus on your ear.

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What I'm saying is have some faith in yourself. Whatever

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you believe in. Believe in yourself. Believe in that self

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that looks in that mirror every day and is asking.

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Speaker 2: Whoo hoo, hoo hoo who.

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Speaker 1: Most of the time we're pointing the finger and you you, you, you, you, you,

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But we don't point the finger at ourselves because that

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self in the mirror, that who has no clue. There's

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no clue that as to why you have this unbelievable

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lack of desire and passion to just sit there and

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not create.

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Speaker 2: Because you were born to create. You were born to breathe.

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You were born to move energy from the universe into

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the hearts of outos. We all were.

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Speaker 1: You make that choice, and that choice is well, I'm

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just not feeling. In her new book, Julia Cameron really

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goes pretty clean where she says, you got to learn

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how to be honest with yourself as a writer, as

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a creative person. I have more songwriters that stop on

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my show unplugged in Totallyanca and we talked about the

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ability to put lyrics with music, the orchestrations, and every

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one of them have said, it's a story. It's a story,

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and it's like, how were you so honest with your story?

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And that's the thing about it. Through that honesty, their

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art is given air to breathe. But so many times

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when it comes to doing a creative project, we think

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we have to do this and then we got to

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go do that. Well it's not coming together like it

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did for this person over here, so therefore, well I

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must be a failure. No, that's vulnerability. Yes, there's a

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lot of anxiety when it comes to art. There's a

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reason why they call it the starving artist, because the

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artist is starving themselves from being creative. So understanding who

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you are. I don't care if you work at a

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grocery store, if you work at a restaurant, if you've

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never picked up a paintbrush and even put it near

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a canvas, or even doodled on a page. I don't

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care if you've never done that. But what I do

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know in my heart that through your day to day survival,

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your creative energy has been present, and you have no

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idea how strong it is and how it can develop

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a greater relationship not only with yourself, but how it

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can be used as a builder, as a heemer, how

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it can reach out and do exactly what it's supposed

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to do. Do you think the sun wakes up every

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day spreads its mighty ray of light across the sky

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thinking I don't want to share it today.

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Speaker 2: I'm not in the mood.

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Speaker 1: No. That and death are the guarantees of life. You

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get your son, and you get to die. Sometimes we

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don't get to make the right choice. Other times we

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get a second choice. But don't stop because it's not

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being meant the way you think it should be met.

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You've got to ask the questions question the answers. Happened

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to call it defragging, break it down him, marily, and

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that's dram