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<v Speaker 1>But joining me now right off the top. You know

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be football coming up this weekend, but a

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<v Speaker 1>little RSL soccer and kind of a sneaky big match

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<v Speaker 1>is Dallas is in town. Our next guest is the

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<v Speaker 1>all time leading scorer from the Dallas Burn and now

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<v Speaker 1>part of the brain trust at Rayale Salt Lake, Jason

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<v Speaker 1>Christ on a Tuesday afternoon, Jay, Happy Tuesday, buddy.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing great.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you Are you.

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<v Speaker 1>Still the all time leading scorer of the Dallas Burn

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<v Speaker 1>FC Dallas franchise?

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<v Speaker 3>I think so. I think nobody else lasted as long

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<v Speaker 3>as playing there as me. There was guys that scored

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<v Speaker 3>more goals per season, but I don't think anybody else

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<v Speaker 3>spent nine years there. So yeah, I think it's still fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Longevity is important, but you can't tell me. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>know for sure. If somebody broke your record, you would know, Jay, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm just trying to remember. I know Hydys Frera

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<v Speaker 3>is close. Was close. Maybe that was a single season.

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<v Speaker 3>There's something there that he's getting close to breaking my

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<v Speaker 3>record on all right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there when RSL plays formerly the Dallas for an

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<v Speaker 1>FC Dallas, does that conjure up any Jason christ weird

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<v Speaker 1>feelings one.

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<v Speaker 2>Way or the other.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it doesn't anymore. After you've gone from that club

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<v Speaker 3>to here, to New York, Orlando to Miami, your memory

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<v Speaker 3>runs a little thin.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair enough, fair enough? All right?

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<v Speaker 1>Jay? You know, what do you say about Houston? What

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<v Speaker 1>do you say about Saturday?

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<v Speaker 2>It was? It was bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Pablo owned it after the game during media. I don't know, man,

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like you and I have been chatting on

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<v Speaker 1>a weekly basis about a team that once upon a

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<v Speaker 1>time out a fifteen game on beaten streak and was

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<v Speaker 1>atop of the table in MLS, and now, Jay, it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like there's a bit of a slide going on.

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<v Speaker 1>What are your thoughts both on Houston over the weekend

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<v Speaker 1>and where you guys are at from a macro level.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not good, obviously not good. None of us are happy.

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<v Speaker 3>I think all of us feel a bit of angst

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<v Speaker 3>to the frustration. There's a whole lot of questioning now

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<v Speaker 3>about where the problems lie and how we can move forward.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's one thing that's clear in my mind after

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<v Speaker 3>spending yesterday with the coaching staff is that we're all

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<v Speaker 3>still in this very much together, and also there's a

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<v Speaker 3>belief that this team can get back to where it

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<v Speaker 3>was before or even actually be better. I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's typical that every MS team is going to go

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<v Speaker 3>through a slide. We I feel like, have had been

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<v Speaker 3>on a little bit of a prolonged one. As I've

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<v Speaker 3>said now many times, for me, there's been some results

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<v Speaker 3>that have gone our way or met perhaps maybe we

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<v Speaker 3>weren't quite there, but to be fair, through this run,

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<v Speaker 3>there's also been a result or too that actually felt

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<v Speaker 3>we deserved more. In so now it's I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>a time just to continue to move forward. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>time to realize that we're getting to the end of

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<v Speaker 3>the season. It's a time for everybody to come together,

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<v Speaker 3>really really together and understand one thing. In my opinion,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it needs to be simplified now to the

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<v Speaker 3>point where the players need to understand that you must

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<v Speaker 3>out work the opponent. If we have a chance to

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<v Speaker 3>win anything here, it's going to come through a collective effort.

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<v Speaker 3>It is not going to come through individual star players

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<v Speaker 3>or star players.

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<v Speaker 2>So every sport matchups are real.

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<v Speaker 1>Oftentimes it's what leads to great results or fallen flat

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<v Speaker 1>on your face if you just simply don't match up

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<v Speaker 1>with another team very well, or the other team simply

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't match up with you. I mean, it's just how

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<v Speaker 1>it is. It doesn't matter what sport it is. What

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<v Speaker 1>is it, Jay, Like, I think it's one five and

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<v Speaker 1>three over the last nine for you guys against Houston, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's have you been able to identify with why this

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<v Speaker 1>club has been so problematic for you guys?

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<v Speaker 3>I think you know, as you talked about last week,

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<v Speaker 3>I think for me, first and foremost is just the

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<v Speaker 3>differences in climates last week. It was really difficult to

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<v Speaker 3>go into the end of that week thinking about, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>we've got a cold front coming through here in Salt Lake,

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<v Speaker 3>so our guys are now training in fifty and sixty

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<v Speaker 3>degree weather and they go down there for a ninety

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<v Speaker 3>degree game. So you could see from my perspective, you

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<v Speaker 3>could see pretty clearly that there was a level of

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<v Speaker 3>fatigue and exhaustion that just is it seems out of place,

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<v Speaker 3>but it is what it is. And then I think

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<v Speaker 3>there's also a little bit of the tactics of Houston

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<v Speaker 3>and how good they are with the ball. We oftentimes

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<v Speaker 3>are the are the dominant possession team and most of

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<v Speaker 3>the matches that we play and we enjoy that, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think the guy's gaining confidence from that. And then

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<v Speaker 3>we go play against a team like Houston in Houston

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<v Speaker 3>and now they have the ball for the majority of

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<v Speaker 3>the time, and so I think that creates a level

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<v Speaker 3>of discomfort in our group and creates a level of

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<v Speaker 3>lack of confidence that that ultimately hurts our team. So

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<v Speaker 3>we've got to we've got to figure out a way

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<v Speaker 3>to not allow that level of unconfidence, discomfort come in

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<v Speaker 3>are come into our guys feelings and minds.

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<v Speaker 1>So I haven't addressed this, and we're gonna have Pablo

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<v Speaker 1>on later in the week. I'll certainly ask him because

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<v Speaker 1>this might be more of a question for him, and

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<v Speaker 1>if it is, please go ahead and tell me. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, preseason then the start of the season, whether

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<v Speaker 1>I had coaches or players on, a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>conversation was about this new system that Pablo and the

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<v Speaker 1>new staff that he was given wanted to implement juxtaposed

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<v Speaker 1>to what you guys tried to do over the past

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<v Speaker 1>few years. Is that system something that needs to be reevaluated.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the progress there?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you guys considered changing things up because look, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it is what it is. The results haven't been there

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<v Speaker 1>as of late. So let's talk about that for a second.

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you at with this system that we seem

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<v Speaker 1>to talk a lot about, you know, three months ago

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<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, I mean, I think that we should

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<v Speaker 3>always be looking for answers and we should always be

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<v Speaker 3>willing to challenge ourselves on whatever the issue can be.

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<v Speaker 3>But what I'd say right now is that there has

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<v Speaker 3>been a clear identification on one thing, and that's the

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<v Speaker 3>work rate, and we can and those those numbers are

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<v Speaker 3>right in front of your eyes. Some of the system talks,

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<v Speaker 3>you can start to get into some of the greenness

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<v Speaker 3>of a lot of things. But when you have players

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<v Speaker 3>that are being tracked by satellites or wearing GPS modules

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<v Speaker 3>on their backs, and when a work level and a

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<v Speaker 3>running level reaches a low point or is below average,

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<v Speaker 3>and every time you do that you lose. That's where

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<v Speaker 3>you start first. And so and like I said before,

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<v Speaker 3>I think we need to be very simple and very

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<v Speaker 3>clear about how we put ourselves in a position to

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<v Speaker 3>win games, and that is to outwork our opponent. It's

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<v Speaker 3>very very clear, Spence, It's actually shocking to go back

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<v Speaker 3>and look at the data and say align that data

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<v Speaker 3>when it was below average, and then align that with

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<v Speaker 3>the results. It's shockingly clear. If our guys don't outwork

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<v Speaker 3>our opponents, we lose, as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've got to ask a follow up because this

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<v Speaker 1>is the first time hearing of this, and maybe I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the last one to know about it, but I'm interested

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<v Speaker 1>to know what that tracking system looks like, what the

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<v Speaker 1>ideology is behind it, and if you could shed any

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<v Speaker 1>light and more details on how you guys are utilizing

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<v Speaker 1>that to really identify exactly what your problems are.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so the players all wear GPS units on their back,

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<v Speaker 3>some of them won't wear it just for collective bargaining

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<v Speaker 3>agreement type stuff. There's information that maybe they don't want

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<v Speaker 3>everybody to know out there. For the players that don't,

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<v Speaker 3>their satellite tracking of their movements during every match. Oftentimes,

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<v Speaker 3>as a fan, you'll see that because you'll see a

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<v Speaker 3>player being subbed out and it'll give you his total distance.

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<v Speaker 3>Usually it's ten kilometers, which are usually between ten and

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen kilometers that they've run per game. There's all kinds

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<v Speaker 3>of other information that goes into that high speed running,

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<v Speaker 3>high speed running per minute. There's all kinds of different

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<v Speaker 3>data that can be looked at and analyzed and utilized.

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<v Speaker 3>And so for us, we have several metrics that we

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<v Speaker 3>track upon our game model, and when those metrics have

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<v Speaker 3>dropped below a certain level, like a mean let's call it,

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<v Speaker 3>or an average, the results have been poor. And when

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<v Speaker 3>those levels have been higher than our average are, our

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<v Speaker 3>results have been good. And on top of that, when

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<v Speaker 3>you put those metrics against our opponents, when our opponent's

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<v Speaker 3>levels are higher than ours, they win. And so this

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<v Speaker 3>is what I mean when I say I think we

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<v Speaker 3>need simple and clear messages to the players right now

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<v Speaker 3>and not as basically outwork your opponent and you give

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<v Speaker 3>yourself a chance to win. If you don't, you won't.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm very fascinated at this dynamic all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden here. And I'm not going to ask you to

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<v Speaker 1>put individual players out there, and I know you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>need anyway, But has this data indicated that there are

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<v Speaker 1>specific players that need to be spoken to in very

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<v Speaker 1>uncertain terms and have some.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Starting lineup, starting eleven and substitute decisions in line with

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<v Speaker 1>the layers where the data reflects that maybe they're not

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<v Speaker 1>working the way that they need to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and yes it simple. Yes, those conversations need to happen,

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<v Speaker 3>and they will or have already happened. And yes, some

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<v Speaker 3>decisions will be made based upon whether or not you run.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's as simple as you can be. I think

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<v Speaker 3>what you do is you make it very clear for

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<v Speaker 3>the players that you know, if you're not in the lineup,

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<v Speaker 3>it's probably because you haven't been working hard enough. If

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<v Speaker 3>you're brought out of a game, it's probably because you

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<v Speaker 3>haven't been running enough. And so it has to start

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<v Speaker 3>with some certain level of something and that's where we're

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<v Speaker 3>that's where we're starting it, and that's what we're holding

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<v Speaker 3>onto right now is to just make that very very

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<v Speaker 3>simple and very very clear.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you considered putting a GPS tracking device on Trey

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<v Speaker 1>during home games?

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<v Speaker 3>We have not. It probably would be a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>more worthy or times time well spent to put a

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<v Speaker 3>blood pressure monitor on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, Hey, as a guy who wants upon a

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<v Speaker 1>time and I mean, for me, number nine should be retired,

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<v Speaker 1>that's my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>But whatever, As a guy for a long time who

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<v Speaker 2>wore nine for.

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<v Speaker 1>RSL and scored goals for RSL. Are you getting what

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<v Speaker 1>you need from Chicho? And attendant to the question when

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<v Speaker 1>the suspension came down, I talked to several people with

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<v Speaker 1>the club and several people outside of the club that

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<v Speaker 1>pontificated like this is the type of thing that derails

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<v Speaker 1>the season. I'm not trying to be over dramatic or hyperbolic,

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<v Speaker 1>but the fact of the matter is he's not playing

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<v Speaker 1>the way he was prior to. He's not standing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't speak to anything behind closed doors know what

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<v Speaker 3>The message that goes to Chicho is the same that

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<v Speaker 3>that exact same message that it has to start with

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<v Speaker 3>the work. It has to start with your willingness to

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<v Speaker 3>to start with your commitment level. That commitment level, that

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<v Speaker 3>work rate has not been to the same level that

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<v Speaker 3>it was before his suspension. And again, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>to say, if you give us that, the other stuff

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<v Speaker 3>will come. And that just comes from my personal history

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<v Speaker 3>of being a striker as well as being a coach

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<v Speaker 3>of some pretty prolific strikers. That players like that go

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<v Speaker 3>through slumps and oftentimes we can get them to focus

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<v Speaker 3>work that you need. That would be great, but you

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, well, yeah, I mean obviously you need them to

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<v Speaker 1>find the back of the debt. I wonder if you

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<v Speaker 1>could take us into the ongoing projects of breaking in

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<v Speaker 1>new players. I mean, you guys had a busy transfer window.

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<v Speaker 1>You took some very calculated risks, of course, getting rid

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<v Speaker 1>of some players that were playing well for you for

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<v Speaker 1>a premium and then bringing in players that you thought

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<v Speaker 1>would fit in. So what don't we see about Lachlan

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<v Speaker 1>and Diogo? And you know, obviously we're kind of still

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for Mark Duke to be on the ground consistently

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<v Speaker 1>to train.

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<v Speaker 2>But just walk us through this. Obviously, it's a process to.

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<v Speaker 1>Get teammates familiar with each other and acclimated to the altitude,

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<v Speaker 1>acclimated to the community. All the things take time. I

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<v Speaker 1>understand that where we actually with the continued to implement

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<v Speaker 1>implementation of your five signings during the summer transfer window.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think what we've seen is we've seen good

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<v Speaker 3>signs from all of the players individually and within the group,

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<v Speaker 3>but not consistently yet. And so that's what I would

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<v Speaker 3>hold on to. That's what we are holding onto that

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<v Speaker 3>We've seen a game and a half of Diogo that

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<v Speaker 3>was quite good. We've seen sixty minutes from Javane that

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<v Speaker 3>was really good. We've seen Dominic come off the bench

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<v Speaker 3>now at Houston and have a really positive contribution. He

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<v Speaker 3>looked bright. We've seen Lachlan probably arguably are only what

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<v Speaker 3>I would say above average player at Houston was Lachlan

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<v Speaker 3>and so in a couple of games we've seen moments

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<v Speaker 3>from him as well, but we haven't seen it, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>over a stretch of a couple of games, and we

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<v Speaker 3>haven't seen consistency, and we haven't seen the group altogether

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<v Speaker 3>firing and all cylinders. So we've seen the snapshots, but

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<v Speaker 3>now we need to see the whole movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like you're getting buy in, Do you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you have trust in that locker room. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't win trophies, You can't win much if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't trust your teammates, if you don't trust your coaches,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't trust your coaching staff, and Jay, you

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<v Speaker 1>know the deal man. When the results go the other way,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to ask you these questions. Do you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like the group trusts each other? Do you have the

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<v Speaker 1>locker room.

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<v Speaker 3>One hundred percent? I mean I won't speak to the

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<v Speaker 3>locker room because that's no longer my domain. My domain

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<v Speaker 3>is the coaching staff, and my domain is what I

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<v Speaker 3>think of the players based upon what to see in

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<v Speaker 3>the training sessions and the matches. And I don't see

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<v Speaker 3>all the training sessions either. But we started the conversation

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<v Speaker 3>with one thing that we're clear on. We are all

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<v Speaker 3>still very much together in this. So absolutely the trust

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<v Speaker 3>is there for the coaching staff. The trust is there

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<v Speaker 3>that we have the requisite level of talent, and the

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<v Speaker 3>knowledge is there that these players are all capable of

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<v Speaker 3>doing exactly what's demanded of them. If we think we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to have a chance to win, it's just about

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<v Speaker 3>them doing it now. It is not a question about ken.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a question of will or will not.

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<v Speaker 1>So when last we spoke, and I want to revisit

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<v Speaker 1>this throughout the course of the season. You know, Pablo

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<v Speaker 1>himself shared with me the detail of like waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>his Kyle Beckerman, waiting for his Jason christ waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>his Pablo Master money, like the guy who is on

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<v Speaker 1>the team that isn't afraid to m f the teammate

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<v Speaker 1>if things aren't going well, even if you're a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit afraid to offend somebody in the sake of competition,

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<v Speaker 1>or the same of winning in the sake of competition

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<v Speaker 1>and the sake of getting results and winning any sport,

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<v Speaker 1>any level. You got a couple of those dogs. You

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<v Speaker 1>got a couple of those guys. You know, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like Catronos might be one. But I don't know what's

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<v Speaker 1>the what's the update on this search for the uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the bite and the toughness you're gonna you're gonna need

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to lift a trophy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's still ongoing, Spence, and I would say, you know, again,

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<v Speaker 3>like I said last week, this is the time of

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<v Speaker 3>the season that players either step forward or step back, right.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the time of the season. This is where

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<v Speaker 3>big players make big plays in big games, and so

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<v Speaker 3>the answer is to be determined, and the opportunity is

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<v Speaker 3>there for all the players to step forward and be counted.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, before I say you lose, tell me about Dallas.

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<v Speaker 1>You know the record isn't great, they're outside the playoff line.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course you know right now, it doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>who you're playing. You gotta get three. You gotta get

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<v Speaker 1>three at home. It's a big It's like a sneaky

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<v Speaker 1>big match Jay tomorrow. So tell me about Dallas. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you guys need to need to do to get

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<v Speaker 1>all three? Take care of your home field.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a big game. It's not sneaky big. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a big game. As in, all of the games are

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<v Speaker 3>going forward are big games for us because this is

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<v Speaker 3>about making it into the playoffs and giving ourselves the

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<v Speaker 3>best chance to win something in the playoffs, which means

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<v Speaker 3>home field advantage. So every game is massive. Dallas is

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<v Speaker 3>an interesting team because they had a good season last year.

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<v Speaker 3>They came in this season and really struggled to kind

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<v Speaker 3>of find their way. They've had a lot of injuries

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<v Speaker 3>with some of their most important players. From what I

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<v Speaker 3>gather now, they've got all their best players back and

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<v Speaker 3>are all healthy. They've been on a run of good form.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, it's a team that seems to be

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<v Speaker 3>heading forward and we seem to be heading sideways or backwards.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's time to arrest all of that. It is

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<v Speaker 3>time too, As I said before, it's time to simplify,

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<v Speaker 3>simplify and clarify, and it is time for players to

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<v Speaker 3>step forward and make their mark.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, my guy, well be pulling for He's always

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate the time today and good luck tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, buddy, take care.

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<v Speaker 1>Jason christ Right, I'll salt Lake. It's a big one tomorrow.

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