Speaker 1: It wasn't loud enough. But hello, ladies and gentlemen, and
welcome to the Substance Retrospective. Yes, I'm the clown Prince
of Contraction, Contraction Trass. Now I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I am the Matrix curricle Patzer.
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm Dolmos.
Speaker 4: I'm the Quaid Taylor Field, the Quaid.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, Lejon. You might be wondering because we've always said,
you know, our rule is we don't do retrospective on
a movie that's not you know, within the five years,
especially if we're reviewed it before. So you might be wondering,
why is it this way? Why is not reviewing, you know,
view retrospective. It's all semantics. But what we can do
here is on Patreon. If you join and become a
patron producer our highest here. You get to recommend any
movie that we have not done before. And we always
say like a franchise, because every franchise in the world
we're gonna get to at some point. At some point
we're gonna get to the Baby Geniuses movies. You know,
we'll start working our way through them. But luckily so,
Charlie Randold has been a patron for many times. He's
joined on a frinight before he's joined on uh the
gas to the crossovers. But now he has moved at
the Patreon producer tier, and I'm very excited because I
was in a big moral dilemma coming up because Golden Geeks,
as we say, always, we go okay, everyone gets to
pick one of Hey, I don't think you guys have
seen this or it might not be on your radar,
watch this before the Golden Geek stamps, just to have
a discussion about it, right, So it was between this
and a few other movies, at least one other movie.
And now that listen at least is a little bit
better for me because Charlie meshm said he was saying
that he want us to talk about the substance, and
the reason he picked that is because he likes which
I think most people do when we cover these weird
ass hohoror sci fi movies. And I feel like that
happens a lot on the Patreon producer picks, like going
all the way back to COVID the classic Colorado space
Like I feel like that was the start of just
getting us to review Wild Wild Stuff. But yeah, here
we are. This is a movie that did come out
not too long ago. I can't remember. I think it
was in September. Technically, it was weird for me because
I couldn't see it, and then literally the last day
it was in theater, I got to see it. And
then because it was doing so well, a week later
they've put back in theaters. I was like, oh, how
do I moved a bunch of things around to make
sure to see it that day and I was like,
I couldn't just waited, but yeah, it's one of those
and uh, yeah, no, I'll go first because I feel
like I already talked about the discord. So it's one
of these weird things where I had watched it and
then a week later, Charlie became Reducer, so like, oh,
this is what I'm thinking, and I was completely down
just because I thought we could have a good conversation here, Like, oh, yeah,
it doesn't matter if I just watched it. So I
rewatched it again today and yeah, if you guys haven't
heard me talk about it, and I think I even
talked about the Sun Geek First News last week. So
that's where I'll keep my overalls in. Because it is
a newer movie. We'll do a usual usually it's just
open form. We'll do our opening Zach, sticking to mostly
non spoilers and if you want to check it out
because it just hits streaming on Halloween, so if you
still hear the non spoilers and go, okay, this is
tip me over the edge. We're not going to get
into the nitty gritty of it. But yeah, this is
my second like in the rank of the movies, it's
my second movie the year right now. I kind of
say this way as right now, we'll see what happens.
There's a lot of great movies that come out left,
but uh doune I think is the best movie. But
this is my favorite movie the year. I absolutely love
this movie. Performances just all over from quai to quality
to more too that she didn't have a Q name,
but I digress. You know she does great and I
think it does. I'm not sure if you guys had
seen this, but I thought this was uh oh dyl dad,
you stall loves Live Leading, so you would understand like
that movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of similarities the two, Yes, sure, And
as a.
Speaker 1: Juxposition of you got good looking people looking real good
and then just filtered around gross, gross stuff, and like
the best thing. I'll just say it's a non spoilers
when I'll describe the scene, but they have this shot
and it's gonna sound like very for but they just
have the shot of Marco Quality sitting down and it's
just on her ass. It's, uh, you're looking up had
her ass, and they frame it like it's the fucking
aliens coming down to like announce what's going on. And
then something happens in that same scene and it's completely gross,
disgusting things and that's why it's like, oh, we're showing
this very attractive, a very attractive body part, but then
look two seconds later some of the most gnarliest shit
you'll ever see. And that's what I love about this
movie is they frame everything in such a beautiful way,
even the gross stuff. It's blocked so well. But man,
between the visuals and the biggest thing for me is
like the sound. The sound in this movie from like
zipper zipping up to people munching on food, to people
cooking food, to people just like moving things around. It's
such a loud movie in a good way, and I
feel like it's like a like a if you were
to this is I think better than those, but I
feel like it's like a top top tier Black Mirror
episode where it's just some weird society world. There's some
rules where you get enough of it, but you don't
get the full manty there. And I think for me
it's perfect. They leave the right amount of, you know,
questionable stuff. It's in a very heidened reality type of world,
but at the same point as a lot of allusions
to our world and whether it's the male gaze, whether
it's just like body dys morphia, whether it's agism, and
just in general of trying to figure out where you
fit in life. At a certain point, I think this
movie plays probably much better for people that are even older.
But I think even the older you get some of
these things that these characters going through. Not exactly some
of these things, but as someone like I've talked those
the cast before, Like I was a two hundred and
twenty pound no muscle too twenty pounds back in high
school and like I still I'm better now, but I
still suffer from that type of stuff of like just
never feeling good enough or looking good enough, And I
know how messes with you, and I love how they
just use this big sci fi wore gaze to do
all this. The soundtrack and the score is phenomenal visually,
Like I can't say enough good things about this, and
that I already said the beginning, but more in quality together,
it's just like such a one two punch. They're so
fun and I think it's for me, my fairite quality role.
Dop'te for door for more, I'd have to go back
in the nineties bag because she had a lot of
hitters back then. But it's just a phenomenal movie and
I'm excited to talk about it. But I think it
just says such a good job of tackling many themes
but kind of funny way to work them all into one.
And all just say is the prosthetics team does a
very great job in this movie. It just h and
it's you know, minor cg. You know, even like Margret quality,
she's wearing prosthetic boobs in this, like those aren't her boobs.
Like there's just little things where it's like, oh man,
they they do such a good job of making things
look exactly how they want and whether it's very beautiful
or very grotesque. And yeah, there's many great scenes I
can't wait to talk about. But yeah, I absolutely love
this movie, Tama, throw it to you because you messaged
me and you're like, oh, I think me and Masson
are gonna watch this tonight. And I was like, I
feel like that's not the right call, because I do
think there is some good messaging, and I think there
is some stuff that is a woman you would pick
up on and even feel more so than me, especially
the stuff with Danis Quade's character. But I did give
you the heads up, and was that was that a
smart heads up there?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like I gave her.
Speaker 4: I gave her the ultimate decision because I was putting
it on a teams already in bed. I was like, okay,
like now you can this is a gross movie, so
I've been told, but I can't gauge it. I heard
there's needles and stuff like that. That's all I could
tell her because I didn't know what I was really
in for. So I told her that you you can
either stay here and just pass it on the couch,
or like I said, I gotta play it either or.
And so she's like, okay, I'm just gonna go to bed.
It was like nine thirty, so that was fine, so, uh,
the Yeah, the movie really was surprising and I did
not expect it to go the route that it went.
And when I finished the movie, I was not super
super high on it, and I'm glad that we didn't
review it then because after like sleeping on it and
thinking like, how was at work today, I was just
thinking about and thinking about how certain things happened in
the story and everything. And I'm glad that I had
that time to kind of dwell on it because it
is a little bit higher now with where I would
frame it and just certain motivations and certain things that
kind of happened. I do have a couple of questions,
which I'm happy, I'm excited for you guys to kind
of maybe like break it down and kind of help
me kind of fill in some things that maybe I'm
a little unsure of when it comes to how just
with the substance itself, because I just think it's it's
an interesting concept and that's something that in general, just
the creators of this film, it is such an interesting,
uh concept, Like it's it's what's the word, it's ah
my goodness, it's uh, it's not an origin it's no,
not an allegory.
Speaker 1: It's original.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's what I'm trying to say. It's an original idea, right,
it's not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think of movies that have played
with this idea, but it's never to like in a
there's Body horror, but the idea of like, okay, you
take something, you get a younger version of yourself. I
don't know if that's ever been another than like what
thirteen on thirty or like what was the zach Efrom
movie seventeen again? Yeah, but it's always that, right, it's
always fun hyjienks, like look at me, I'm young again.
This is not It's fun hyjenks for like ten minutes
and then it's.
Speaker 3: Make a legacy sequel to seventeen again with the substance included,
like the substance juice.
Speaker 1: Okay, they can't make that sequel anymore, no, unfortunately, But.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just I think overall, the it caught me
off guard and the ending is a total curve ball
that you never see coming.
Speaker 5: But when things go from bad to worse.
Speaker 4: Like it really really goes bad to worse. But yeah,
I'm looking forward to kind of talking about it because
as much as much as things do get gross, there
wasn't There wasn't really anything that was necessarily like I
was like, ah, like this is disgusting and gross or anything.
But it was just like kind of like just cringy.
And I know there's a certain level of cringe when
I'm watching it that my bones start to hurt, specifically,
just like my my collar my collar bones here, they
just start to they just start to hurt when i'm
It is a very specific thing and it's only when
I watch something really cringe, and then it's a weird
sensation I feel in the bones kind of like more
like going towards like the front.
Speaker 1: Of my mind. I think you need the subs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just it's I hate that feeling when I
get up. But that's so I know, Okay, we're dealing
with some cringe right here.
Speaker 3: So okay at horror cringe that does it? Or is
like the office like Scott's Tots.
Speaker 5: It's horror, horror.
Speaker 6: Horror Scott's Tots. Yeah, that's a good poll.
Speaker 1: Scott Well, speaking of a cringe, because you know, we
have our discord and I understood that me once. I
got it. But when I looked at the Discord one
point just that Dylan had sent a gift and it
was like something something cringe. I was like, what is
this could be about? But then it was the cringe
of Brittany from Big Brother going eh, And then it
was currently watching The Substance, So mister Muss, how your
collarbones had?
Speaker 3: I always wondered the origin of that gif brother. I
didn't know who she was, but I anytime I can
use that gif, I do. I just think that is
such an iconic one. Search it up on on your
Discord keyboard if you're curious what it looks like.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: But yeah, this was a This is a really I
want to say it's a really good time, but it's
hard to say that because the movie is so gross
and I had to look away at various moments and
I don't have the bone thing that Taylor's got going
on there, but it's still I felt really weird when
I was watching it. So yeah, I mean, I think
to Travis, what you're saying there, Like, the sound is
so good, the cinematography is fantastic. There's so many just
close ups in this that I feel like are very powerful,
even on like Quaid at certain moments that are just
really really well done. Cinematography is yeah, super good, like
just the color grading us. There's certain shots that just
really pop in like such an interesting way. So it's
really unique in that sense. I think the casting here
is great, where quality's kind of like still a young
up and comer to some extent. She's been in a
ton of things at this point. But then Demi Moore
is like, I don't even know what I've seen her in,
you know, but I just have like a perception of her,
and I feel like this is a perfect role for
her to kind of I don't know, switch maybe the
perspective of who she is as an actress in like
really interesting like backwards way of what the story of
the character is in this at least from my perspective.
So I'm curious or I'm excited to talk about that
angle of it. I think I have some right now.
I'm gonna call them issues with the third act, but
I think it's definitely one of those things I gotta
throw it to the council here and really talk through
some of it, kind of like when we talked about
The Witch recently, and like so many of my thoughts
changed in the discussion there are some questions I have
and to what you guys are talking about, Like, there's
certain this certain amount of it is explained about, other
stuff is not. But there's just a couple of character
things that to me didn't really stack up. But it's
also it's weird to say that at the same time,
because this movie right from the get go, like really
establishes its tone and it's not super serious, and then
at times it does get very serious and dark. But
I think for the most part it is really going
for the over the top, colorful, bombastic, which is kind
of opposite of what you'd maybe expect for a movie
like this, and I think it really worked for the
most part. But then there were some sequences in specifically
a third act that I just feel like this movie
didn't really know how it wanted to end, is part
of it. Then there's also some character decisions or things
like that that just don't really stack up to me,
So curious to talk about those things. But overall, yeah,
I think this is like a really really well made movie,
just from the technical aspect of it, the acting and
all that kind of stuff. So yeah, I'm excited to
break it down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited to get to the ending there, So
of course again we'll we will warn y'all. But Kirkland,
you know Taylor has his bone thing. I know when
you get a little anxious, your ass who gets a
little ischy. So I'm sure you're you're you're flaring up here,
you know.
Speaker 6: I didn't know I shared that with anyone, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was terrible when we saw something together and
just stop it, stoff it.
Speaker 6: And just kept scratching it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, I guess that's where my cringe meter is, like
where Taylor's his bone thing. But yeah, this was a
really interesting one for me. I really did not expect
this to be as much of a I don't know
if like what would you call it, like a monster horror,
body of psychological horror. Like I feel like it ticks
a lot of those boxes off, and I feel like
this isn't really a genre that is for me, this
was a really interesting one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, said he is not like the body stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this this one got like really gross for
me where I felt like there was a lot of
moments I just couldn't even look like at the screen.
It was just it was just really going there. But
that being said, I feel like, I'm really glad that
I did watch this movie. That like, it is really
really well made to all the points that you guys
already brought up, whether it was a cinematography or just
like the sound design, it just felt like it was
really nailing what he was going for. The close up shots, Yeah,
we're super super powerful. Performances like across the board were
just so fantastic. It was really funny seeing Dennis Quaid
in this type of role because I feel like I
don't even know what type of box i'd put him in,
but I just have Dennis Quaid in a certain box
that it's just like, I don't know.
Speaker 6: He's he's so like like warm in general.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's day After Tomorrow guy.
Speaker 1: That's yeah.
Speaker 2: Literally I watched Day After not too long ago, and
just having that Dennis quid my mind going into this.
Speaker 1: What's some one movies with all the kids too, It's
not true, probably doesn't see other one. Remember he marries someone,
they have a bunch of No, that's the Steve Martin one.
Remember he is another one where.
Speaker 6: I know exactly what one you're talking about, but oh
is it yours?
Speaker 1: Mine? And ours? I think that sounds about right, and
it's the same thing where they marry and they're all
together and everything, and he's done a couple like dog
movies and stuff.
Speaker 7: Yeah, three legion.
Speaker 1: I was gonna shut Shaws three out, but there he
all got that shout out.
Speaker 2: So but yeah, so this was a really interesting rule
from him. But like, yeah, with all that being said,
I feel like I don't ever want to watch this
movie again. It's just I don't know it. It has
a lot of gross factor. The third act I really
wasn't a fan of. I don't know, because like it
goes places almost like malignant level of just like wild
that I can't believe what I'm watching. And I'm just
really really enjoying it for the craziness of it. But
like again, like there was just so many moments I
feel like I had to look away. It was just
so gross.
Speaker 6: An out of Space as.
Speaker 2: Well, which never want to watch that movie again, even
though it is so original and the like, it's a
fun one to kind of bring up in conversation with
other people that have seen it. And I will recommend
this movie to people, but I would, you know, give
a little word of a warning if they don't like
that type of yeah exactly, but yeah, no, it's uh,
it goes places.
Speaker 1: When you said, because I know these two also talk
about the issues with the third act. Is yours more
just the third act that you don't like because purely
it gets really gross? Or do you also have story
issues as well that.
Speaker 2: We're gonna definitely like some character inconsistencies. I think that
like didn't really stack up, but I don't know. The
more I kind of thought about it, it's like, I
guess it kind of fits this world because I think
it was either brought up like this is kind of
like a like a point five step up of like
a heightened reality, like like it seems a little bit
more cartoony than what normal life is. Though it's kind
of like still I don't know, fairly accurate, I guess, because.
Speaker 1: It's like not big spoils. But there's at one point
where dance Quade's bunch of executives and they ask a
certain character smile and they do that, and then he
like skips away and they all skip it away and
they're like, oh, like they're all just like these very
cartoony versions of like billionaire men. You know, That's what
I love that when we did The Witch a couple
of weeks ago. This is a dark movie but never
gets to like what Dylan will say, and I think
it is dark, but never I think it's always has
its tongue in its cheeks, which I think is probably
not a bad thing for this movie for to get
so gross. We're like we saw you don't get that
break right from a body where it's like it's a
serious dark movie and that's trap, trap trap, where this
is like there's multiple times. I especially think in the
middle portion, I'll just say when Demi Moore is cooking,
like that's all like comedy goal right there, like she's
acting her fucking ass off doing that stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think the last thing I'll say too
is I really enjoyed just the like world building aspect
of like this, the whole idea of what the substance
is and just like how it's organized. I enjoyed that
aspect of it of just kind of learning about it
with our character. I don't know, it just it seemed
it seemed video gamy or like like I don't know,
like just just some the mythos I guess around the
substance and what the company and everything is it was
just it was interesting.
Speaker 6: I liked how they tackled it there.
Speaker 1: I love the dude's fucking voice who was like the
operator or anything like it. It's so good and I
love Uh, well, we'll get into it now. So yeah,
I think I think whether you like it or enjoy it,
I think we'd all recommend it to some sort of
level to see it. If you're into the weirder stuff,
I guess i'd say if yeah, if you're not into
this isn't a twenty four, this isn't neon, but I
think it definitely fits in that pocket of it's a drama,
but it's very zany and very gross and stuff, but
you're gonna get great visuals and great acting and everything.
Speaker 3: If you have a weird collarbone thing and you don't
like that feeling, then don't watch this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, don't ornishysle or itchy asshole.
Speaker 1: That'll get you. So yeah, so we're into our first break.
So yeah, like I said, just because it is a
newer movie, just kind of streaming on last week, if
you want to go watch it, watch it. Come back.
This will be here and we'll be right back and
we're back. So where do we want to start with
the substance now that we're past the wall.
Speaker 3: God, it's tricky, isn't it. I want to show out
like something I forget if it's the exact first shot
of the movie. But I love the shot of the
Hollywood star on the ground, which is just like a
very kind of quick, a quick way to get you,
get you up to date with like this actress and
her career, and just kind of I don't know that
that concept of starting out as a star, and like
that's such an exciting thing to get a star, a
Hollywood star, and then just overtime as it starts to
crack and peel away and ages and like a bird's
picking at it and a guy drops his hot dog
on it. I think that was just such a smart,
provocative thing. I love when a movie just has like
a one still camera angle and like kind of pans
over time, I think it can do some really interesting stuff.
So I thought that was really cool. And then I
just love any anything that starts and ends in like
the same spot, you know, obviously, like every Pink Floyd
album and is that way pretty much, And I love
that that they're kind of cyclical. They loop, and I
think that was really powerful for this too, where it's
kind of like skipping it in a little bit. It's like, Okay,
this character's arc is done, but you know tomorrow some
other actress is gonna take the substance and the process
all starts all over again. I thought that was just
really really well done.
Speaker 1: And cool because she just gets wiped away by like
a little cleaning machine. There's not like I don't know
what the fall it would be after the fact, but
I don't think they're for sure going to know what
that thing at the end was was one of those
two right, So and yeah, even like with the actual
physical damage of the star, you have people and it's
like oh yeah, like they'll go and take photos and
it's like, oh, who is that? I think she was
in this movie back in the day, like you see
the downfall, And that's something where like I have to
think of to this quote a few times on Geek first,
but I sold from Conan O'Brian when he talks about like,
at one point Clark Gable was the biggest star in
the world. Now probably majority of this generation doesn't even
know who Clark Gable is, right, And that's where that
kind of shows like the fame and there he was
a very like that generation is George Clooney when Clooney
was at his height, like very good looking guy, very charismatic,
leading a lot of movies. But that's this thing here
where it's like it's it's the same way of chasing looks,
because she's not only just chasing the looks of wanting
to be younger. That's definitely part of it, but it's
that idea of you know, des Quaid, well, when it's fifty,
it stops, like what stops and he just he doesn't,
you know, go on further. But then he's looking up
the skirt of like a young twenty year old or
something like you get it all laid out there. So
it's not only the looks. It's that fame and that
idea of Okay, I don't want to be someone on
the ground that no one even it's just it's just
a piece of cement now pretty much to the people
where she's chasing that dragon. But you know, that's where
it's a you gotta appreciate the things you have because
one she loses her life into uh who knows that
other guy maybe could have been good for that. She
uh stood up unfortunately, you know, poor guy. So poor guy,
poor guy. I know, a star likes to make an
entrance and he's just sitting there at Luigi's all night, like,
at least send a text. She said, Hey, I'm sick,
I can't make it. Don't send. Don't let the guy
sit there on at Luigi's waiting for you.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: But I feel like that was the most intense scene
of the entire movie for me, honestly, when when she
was just like kept going back and like looking at
markat quality like on the billboard, and would just keep
going back, and it'd be like her just staring at
the mirror, getting more and more intense. And it felt
like a ten minute scene too, Like it felt so
much longer than I would have expected it to be,
And I think it's just because it kept ramping up
and then it just got to that intense point where
she was just like paralyzed and as if it was
like a like a mental attack on just like her
whole like all of her confidence just completely gone. And
I feel like that that was like before we get
really like sci fi like like that that's where it
felt like, oh, this is actually just like a really
realistic like just find yourself not like worthy enough, you know,
comparing yourself with others, just like all of those like
anxieties that people face like every single day. Like that's
where it felt like that times a couple multiplier, but
like still like we don't have monsters and whatnot up
until that point. So you know, I guess if I
had to pick a crazy moment, it might be later on,
but that one at least for like the most realistic
of the issues.
Speaker 1: And what I like at the beginning is the way
they frame that. It feels like in a movie when
characters are stuck in a loop or something and they
keep being forced back, and she is stuck in a loop,
but it's her going back. Like the way they frame
it looks like she actually can't like leave the house.
It keeps kicking her back, but it's not. And you
just want her not to look at the billboard, but
the billboard just right there staring. She goes, don't put
on more makeup. And one of my favorite shots is
I think it's the last time she's about to leave,
and it's her reflection in the door handle, and of
course it's a door handle that's round it. She looks
like grotesque, and she's like she sees herself and she's like,
oh my god. It's like, well, yeah, cause, but that's
just the thing you can do in your own mind, right,
the way you get yourself worked up. But she sees
herself in a door handle, she's like, oh, I'm hideous,
but it's like no, like you go look at this
mirror and doing worse still like this knockout woman. But
that's just because she literally has this thing over there
that's like, Okay, this is what you could be, you know,
And that's why they say, like you gotta you gotta
respect the bounce. Respect the bounce, you know, and you
know just doesn't get respected obviously.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, for for a movie that is
like from the jump like pretty absurd, and even like
man to for her, I feel like it'd be hard
to make it believable that a character would take this
mysterious juice that's some creepy guy the doctor's office recommended
where you have to go in this weird alleyway with
the door is broken, and then you get this juice
from a locker and then you put it in your
body and it's like it looks like the toxic stuff
that knocked out stan Lee and the msay cameo. But
I feel like they do a good job of making
it believable in those sequences of Quaid just being an
asshole and her and like why she would want to
take that. So I think they did a really good
job in those first few minutes of really just very
quickly kind of getting into the substance of the movie,
but also into that plot point as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no Quai, that's right, I guess I transition to him.
He's He's pretty fantastic in this movie. Uh. Kirk would
appreciate this because I had heard this before at the
festivals that people had compared him to playing the role
like a Vince McMahon type like in real life, And man,
is he like Vince coded in like the worst ways
in this movie. But yeah, I think the beginning's good
where they set it up. That's one of the most
obvious scenes with that shrimp scene. It's just disgusting, not
only though he knit just like that mess that he's
left there, it's so much hundred trimps.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he like crushed a whole hundred trimps, I swear, but.
Speaker 1: He doesn't care. He's like that obnoxious the whole time.
It's like, what's the next thing, What can I be doing?
He's two face to everybody. He's like trying to hint
that she's gonna go out of there, and like he
never really like they let The way they let her
go is she just like walks in one and they
just have her box ready to go and he has
like a book for it to read. But he does
a great like he's I think the even though it's
a weird movie about taking a drug and you get
your younger self here, but I think he's the most
heightened thing in this movie, and it's a it's a
great performance. Eing that shot of him just peeing. It's
just you're like, it's like from the urnal the top
of the urinals perspective, it's such an interesting angle. And
again I think they're just doing stuff to make you
feel gross, which I think all of Dennis Quade's characterisms
do that. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I one thing I love about his performance in
this and it's something I wonder if it was in
the script or if it's just a directorial thing on
the set or if he chose to do. But he
does a lot of weird little grunts and stuff like
like like just like he'll just kind of rev up
a little bit, and I feel like it kind of
it's a bit of as similar to like the sounds
like the monster version of the character is making at
the end. And I don't know if that was very intentional,
but of course a monster making weird little grunting noises.
He's making grunting noise obviously, not that he's taken the substance,
I'm not saying that, but just that he is clearly
a monster of a pear never know never very different way. Yeah, possibly,
I guess it could be a couple of layers deep
in that. But I really liked that little touch. I
think he just he handed up like just the right amount.
And it's funny when he came back and like the
third act, I'd kind of forgot about him because feel
like he yeah, was away for like an hour hour
and a half or something like that, but yeah, I
was like happy to have him back. He's just a
very a character you love to hate. I think he
did a really good job of portraying that.
Speaker 1: M Taylor, You're named after the Quade.
Speaker 4: So yeah, he is just, yeah, he's he's quite a character.
He's just so egotistical and just you feel gross whenever
he's walking into the scene and yeah, just how you
said it that that p scene when he walks into
there and he's just shooting all over Jennifer and just
like shitting all over the show and all that jazz
literally there listening to.
Speaker 1: Her name's Elizabeth too, just so you know, I.
Speaker 7: Thought, where did I get Jennifer from?
Speaker 1: I don't know because her real name's not Jennifer either,
so I was very confused.
Speaker 4: But they say I thought he said Jennifer in the
bath where he says Jennifer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he's speaking to Jennifer, like it could be that.
Speaker 3: Sort of, but he doesn't even know her name, like
you forget, Well that would fit because he changes the
name of his assistant, right, Cindy.
Speaker 5: Now, so maybe he's just really bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there with you, though, Taylor. I was
like tripping out because I'm like, he doesn't call her
that ever. Again, Like I was just confused, but.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, he's just he's such a fucking crazy character.
And yeah, from the French Cooking book that they get
her and all that jazz, just just him being just
totally efatuated with Sue and all that jazz, and uh yeah,
he's just every time he comes on screen, I was
laughing because he was just he's so gross and he
doesn't give a shit about anyone else. And yeah, when
you guys mentioned she can't smile in the hallway, but
he's got the shareholders and he's like, oh, pretty girls
should always smile. And then he like turns because the
like the side show ladies are like hustling by, and
he's all like all the shareholders are all like gigglings.
Speaker 7: Man, this is fucking disgusting and cringey.
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of men that I really liked
that out there.
Speaker 7: Colorful.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah they were.
Speaker 7: They were throbbing, all right.
Speaker 5: But yelly, he's.
Speaker 1: And there's like, I don't know, I think it's like
a like a pretty obviously with even named the character Harvey,
you know, like it's to me, I think it's like
a pretty intact comparison to a lot of those figures
in that world.
Speaker 7: So m hmm.
Speaker 3: I didn't catch the name, but I didn't catch the name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So but yeah, and I guess we should
be clear if people haven't, if they're just listening to
this that Demi Moore she gets in a car accident,
like we've bounced around it because we're in the spoils Wall.
She gets in a car accident. She's getting checked up.
She had a bad day because we talked about this
scene when Dennis quid Perm's just hinting like, hey, you're
getting old. Uh, they're gonna get the boots soon. He didn't.
He's just hinting at he's not he doesn't have the
guts to say that because she asked him what's he means?
And then he sees oh, oh Roger, and he like
runs away and he's doing his thing. She goes to
a car accident. Doctor checks her, she's all good, says, oh,
it's your birthday and you're a sparkle. I love this movie.
And she's having a breakdown because she's fifty now, so
she's worried about her career. And then when that doctor leaves,
there's another doctor that comes in and starts doing another checkup.
She's I thought you already did it? He chose you. Oh,
I got one more and then you know it says, oh,
you're a good candidate, and then it gives I can't
remember if he gives her something or if he mails
it to her. I can't remember that connection.
Speaker 3: There, he's it in her pocket, in her jacket, Okay.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, and then later yeah, she finds it
listened to is it originally throws it out, but then
she is motivated that okay, I'm gonna take this thing.
And then what happens, which I think is just like
such a cool scene because I had heard about some
of the stuff, but I didn't know exactly how it
was happening. And even with the poster being you know,
it's Demi More in the bathroom and like her back's
all stitched up to just have this thing where she
takes a substance. Nothing really happens for a little bit,
and she says, Okay, this is dumb. I've kind of
been like scammed or something. Right, She just fucking flatlines
falls to the ground, big hit and have this thing
like berthed from her back and you just see your spine.
And one of my other favorite shots is too is
when everything's going on and you have like her eye
and Quality's eye and the same eyeball like trying to
boot and share each other. And I don't know. That's
what I was always intrigued. When we talk about the
trains and the newscast, She's like, Okay, this idea of
you have to switch and you have to share the body,
because in the I don't think they explain that you
have to switch every seven days. So it's like you
have a feeding tube. You give the matrix and they
sit there and they drink it, and then you're ever
supposed to every day going to go in and take
a shot of that and put in your body, and
that's supposed to cycle it and you're supposed to stick
to the seven days. But I just remember the trailers. They
didn't reveal that, so it's like, okay, how's this all
gonna work? And when that happens, man, what a what
a scene when it comes down qualities there and you
still have her body because I don't even know if
they showed that of them being in the same room together.
So I love the actual birthing scene of the substance.
It's such a good one.
Speaker 2: It was very malignant, like I thought it at first.
I thought they were gonna just like reverse in and
out of each other like be the same body, and
then it just like switches into quality and then once
once the weeks off, it'll just like fold back, and
especially with like the eye like going backwards. But yeah,
that was just yeah, that was the mind blowing to
just see your crawl right out and then have to
like sew her back up right afterwards. You know that
that was like not even that gross up until that point.
I'm like, Okay, that's that's not too bad. But little
did I know what AC three had for me. But yeah,
I really liked again, just like the whole what like
the rules I guess of using the substance and the
matrix and like just the feeding two that she had
set up for and just like how kind of like
brutal like the transformation was, because like you said, t
I was like she just like drops right on like
the hard tile floored naked bodies just laying.
Speaker 6: There for like a week.
Speaker 2: I imagine she's got some bruises and uh, yeah, I
don't know. I imagine I would have set up like
a bed or something, you know, make it a little
bit comfortable, because imagine when you wake up you feel terrible.
It's like you just snapped for four hours and you're dehydrated,
and Hunky.
Speaker 3: Goes to the effort of like echo locating a hole
in the wall, smashes a hole, build this whole room
builds like a hidden door, which like must not have
been easy for someone who presumably has no like construction background.
And then yeah, it doesn't even put like a mattress
on the ground, Like no, just no respect. You would think,
like even for yourself, like before you would take it,
you would lay yourself down on a mattress, But now
they're happy to just sit on the nasty ground the
hold on.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's an interesting thing to mention because it
kind of shows the immediate divide between them, right, like
how they don't have a respect.
Speaker 5: For each other.
Speaker 4: And I think again, they have the whole like you
are you are the same, like you are one is
what they say, right, You're not two separate people. And
that's where I was trying to kind of figure out
how the consciousness works between the two, because obviously you
have when you have the interesting dream sequences where like
More is eating chicken all that kind of stuff, and
so then Sue is just starting to have like weird
dreams of yeah, chicken popping out of her ass and
pulling out of her belly button, which is fucking disgusting.
But then you also have okay, real life moments when
Sue slept with the biker, and then Moore's character Elizabeth,
she's standing there and sees the biker, obviously recognizes him
and knows who it is, but just so's it's weird
how they share each other's memories, but it's not necessarily
like totally in sync.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I love because what I love about
this the most is maybe not the most, but like
one of the top things is they say that, right,
the substance guy says, you are one like both of you, right,
whatever you know, whatever you do to one side does
the other. But there's a point where Demi Moore says, oh,
she's doing this. Elizabeth says that, and he goes, no,
you share the same conscious like you're doing this, And
that's why I love that. Either just bullshit, right, it's
just like what they're saying is two separate minds, or
it is in the sense that it is like whether
this would have been like what because we don't know
what Elizabeth was when she was younger, right, she could
have been cutthroat like this, because at times Sue is
cutthroat because she wants to get to that top level. Right.
So for me, I like the way I read it
is they are sharing a consciousness. It's just that they
there's that jealousy still from like Elizabeth Side, that hey
you are you know, young beautiful, You're getting all this
fame and it doesn't even matter if I'm living vicariously
through you. It's not me and Sue's jealousy is no
matter what, I always have to come back to this
body like I have to, like I can't be on
my own. So I like the way that they you know,
I guess the substance literally does say you are one.
So you could take this as there the same conscience.
But I think in the way they do a good
job to show you that. Okay, it could just be
two separate beings, but I do think there is a
way that they share it. And there's times where it's
like Demi Moore will be mad at you know, quality
for doing something, but it's like, ah, I feel like
you would have done that, you know, like you would
have wanted to go down that route. And even then
when we have like earlier in the film, I think
it's before she takes the substance, she's at the bar
and she's looking at all like these young guys talking
to girls and no she's They do this great shot
where they pan out and there's people talking on each
side and she's alone and there's no one even looking
at her. So that's where it's like, this, how come
the first the first night really case, she's does some stuff,
but the first night she goes a dance studio, a
stew she goes out right away and then tries to
fuck a guy.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing where it's like, to me, it's
like there is that sense of whatever they're wanting now,
you know. The food, I think that's just uh. I
think Elizabeth just gets a little worked up and she's
just dealing with some stuff. But I love the the
consciousness and how much do they share and how much
do they not share? And I like that they don't
exactly answer it for me. I like that it's left open.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's interesting because I think by the time
I was done watching it, I was pretty convinced that
like they they really are just like you know, they're
obviously created from the same DNA or so it states,
and then they split at that moment, and then their
memories kind of go their own separate ways. And it's
like one of those things where if obviously, if if
Elizabethan knew how the rules of this thing were gonna be,
then she would not have taken it because it just
creates this like other version, but you don't experience any
of that stuff. And I didn't ever really get I
didn't really ever see her getting satisfy action from having
that other version of getting to experience any of that.
And I don't know if maybe I'm just seeing it
wrong as like it's coming across as jealousy and that's
why she's freaking out about certain things. But I kind
of forgot about that scene that you mentioned, Taylor, when
she bumps into the guy on the bike, and i'd
have to watch that scene again to see that exactly
what she says.
Speaker 1: But to me, she doesn't say anything.
Speaker 7: She's very because get out of my way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, like does.
Speaker 3: She recognize him then or is he just being like
kind of chaotic in the front of her building. And
that's kind of a concerning thing that anyone would be like,
that's kind of weird. Some guys got really aggressive in
front of me, and.
Speaker 1: I guess the thing for me like tips it off,
Like if she's getting sas faction out of it is
the very end when she tries to bring her back,
right because she sees the whole New Year's spread and
sees she's gonna be a big star. She literally terminated
her substance, right, and then it's that idea of man,
I'm letting this go. She's gonna have her big moment.
Whether it's I care for this substance, but I don't
think so. I don't think there's a caring thing. So
that's why I think it's more her because she tries
to bring her back after she's like, man, she's gonna
be this big star and I ruined that, and that,
in a sense is me again being a big star.
I gotta bring her back, which obviously does not go
well for Elizabeth really poorly.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, it's it's uh, it's a really interesting
thing that the wee element of it and the connection
between them, it doesn't uh yeah, is it because they're
doing it wrong in some way? Obviously? Because quality Sue
at some point is taking more time and that has
like the very obvious physical effects of making her look
like Gallam just you know, deteriorating as time goes on.
But yeah, is there's something about like the mindset of
it that they weren't doing correctly and that's what was
messing with them, because it seemed like the other guy,
like the nurse, who was then like just old guy
in the restaurant, like he seemed to be doing all right.
He was a little like he was kind of trippy,
but he didn't seem like he was falling apart, and
presumably well obviously been doing it longer than she had.
I don't know how if there was like a time
jump at that point, because at some point it is
a six month time jump, but I think that's at
the end.
Speaker 1: It was before it was yeah, three months, and when
she bummed that guy, that was before that time jump
because she just got the bad finger, so right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What we take from the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I feel like the way that it was
set up initially really makes it feel like Demi Moore's
character is completely like cognizant, Like when she's in Sue's body,
at least that's how I was kind of reading it.
So for me, it felt kind of inconsistent, how like
not quite right at the end, but like there's just
moments when it seems like like she just doesn't know
what's going on, and maybe it's just because the project
isn't going the way that it should be, because the
reason why I thought that they were so cognizant of
what's going on is because like when she first switches
and she's just like checking herself out in the mirror,
like I that, like that really feels like Demi Moore
inside that body, like look at this youth that I
have right now, And then she does that like quite
a few times. And then I also feel like when
she's dealing with Quade's character, like it just seems I
don't know, like like when whether she's Elizabeth like speaking
to Quaid after being Sue speaking of Quaid, it seemed
like she like remembered like the conversation. At least that's
what I kind of got from the body language. So
it just it felt inconsistent and like kind of how
the rules were, and I would have wished if that
was the case just a little bit more clarity like no,
because you know she's got the stinky finger. Now, maybe
that's why it's, uh, you're starting to misremember because yeah,
when she's doing her full on chef out, you know,
like cooking everything in the kitchen and doing the fucking
newspaper on the windows, and like when Sue comes back,
she's like, what the fuck do Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought that saved my phone out it's on the
And that's why I love though before And that's why
it's difficult to see like what they're doing, because they're
almost talking to each other, because there's one point before
Demimore goes to sleep, she's like talking like you stopped
fugging do this, and then it's cuts to you know,
Caully in the mirror looking in say like control yours.
So it's just like, that's why I think they gotta
be sharing something up there, right, And I agree with
you where for me, the only thing that gets me
off of the like they share consciousness is the Dennis
Quaid stuff. But that's why I just bring up of
we don't know what she was like when she was younger,
so maybe she's the exact same of just like she
was just oh because she got stars, this and that,
you know, you know, acceptance and popularity was she likes
so when she was younger or she was just willing
to do everything, And like I would kind of believe
it because she like she took the substance in the
first place, and when she got the fucking finger, she
kept going, even when she looked like the witch after
it was like a couple of weeks, that's when you
should cut it off, but she kept going. So that's
why I like, I would still kind of believe she
would be giddy around Dennis Quaid and those gross people
because she she wants to be accepted by them, right,
So that's that's where I like the character. It's a
flawed character, even like I said, at the end of
her life, she decides to give up her own life
and look like she's in her mind when she brings
back Sue, she's probably thinking that she's gonna go back
in that bathroom, right, and she's gonna look even words
another now Sue, which I think has very right to
kills her because she sees the termination pen and what
else are you gonna do? You think this person trying
to kill you? Kills her in a very awful way
of just destroying her face on that mirror and just
ribcage broken for days. But you know that's what literally
the rest of her life. Yeah, And I don't know
i'd have to make we don't do this a Golden Geeks,
but whatever my favorite shots of the year are, it
might be one or two, but we do best scene,
so I don't think this would qualify though. It's when
she gets the termination pen and Debbi Moore like has
the whole get up around everything like that, and she
has quality by the foot and she is just dragging
her out the hall down the stairs, and I just
love that camera that like stick turns that just sticks
with them, and whether they probably got on a Dolly
but like Dolly running with them. I love just that
shot of her just tearing through her apartment with this body.
It's so good.
Speaker 3: So yeah, a couple other things with with the substance itself,
with the juice of it, like just thinking about and
we're talking about like how much how much do they
share and all that, and really at the end of
the day, it seems like it's just probably some really
sadistic rich person who's doing this experiment. Yeah, for fun,
because like, at no point do we ever see like
money being transferred, right, Like, I don't think there's any
any cost to this thing. It's really just taken. And
then like what I'm a little curious about is like
the observation because I assume they're doing it and they
want to observe the people who are taking it. I
guess in that case, I mean, you can like see
Sue on TV, so you can kind.
Speaker 1: Of observe in that one.
Speaker 3: But one thing I was kind of curious about, like
when when it's kind of right near the end of
the movie and Elizabeth hears like that voice from across
the room. I forget what he says exactly, but it's
not like when she's on the phone with him, but
she just hears his voice at some point. Now at
that point, she very well could just be hallucinating. But
how do you guys take that? Was she hallucinating or
was there actually some physical voice coming from somewhere.
Speaker 2: I took it like it was just in her mind,
Like it's just I don't know, like it's the weight
of the decision, like speaking to her, like you can
know you cannot go back after that, Like you sure
you want to do this, and then it's just like,
holy shit, do I really want to do this? And yeah,
So that's kind of how I went with it. If
it had happened like more often, maybe I would have
thought it was more like engineered.
Speaker 6: With the substance, I could.
Speaker 3: Be prepared to like think about what it would actually
be if there was if that voice was physical, Like
what would that really mean for the movies? You staying
at the apartment? Is that the neighbor for something like
somehow that would be crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh neighbor, great little character of just another terrible male
character just hates hates Elizabeth. But just like I saw
your video pull me up and he's just saying, oh,
dinner tonight, and she didn't give him asks a note like.
Speaker 6: It just like some monster versions.
Speaker 1: She's like fuck yeah, But I'm with currently. I think
it was just in her mind because she's just she
just is falling down that rat hole and she's going
and keeps going and going and going. So yeah, I
would say it's that yep. But yeah, and then so
we talk about a little bit, but yeah, she decides
to not go back. She just skips a day that
gets her finger. But then they offer the maybe it's
a little bit later on. There's a couple of times
where it's not the months. Yeah, but it's like a
couple it's at least a week maybe a little longer
than that, where she's getting like the cover of Vogue,
and I love every time she comes like, oh, yeah,
we're on the cover. That's the other thing too, why
I go back and forth because she literally does say
were on the cover of Vogue. You know. That's the
thing where it's just like that could just because she
feels like this is like a mother owner situation. But
there's just for me, there's too many times where they
like allude to that type of stuff. But yeah, Demi
Moore comes out looking really bad. Yeah, I guess we
already covered the Roger guy where yeah, he was just
completely in love with her high school, got her number,
which that's like another great shot. Loves when she drops
the number and it's like gross mud and then later
on it's like it's right, that stuff was like, oh yeah,
that happened. Like the first ten minutes, that's where you're like, oh,
this is gonna be one of those gross movies, isn't it.
Because anytime you've dropped something that like that muddy water like,
oh this sucks.
Speaker 2: Like when he just hands it to her, I feel
like it's like, dude, fucking write another note, like come on,
you know the hand that much?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, so she stood him up. We talked
about that scene where she was just going to town
on her face, which you know, a great scene bybe More.
And then yeah, she wakes up and she I love
the call with the substance. She's like, I think there's
been a misuse of it and I'd like to find
out how to you know, do this. And then she's like,
I don't feel someone's I can't remember the setup. But
she's like, oh, someone's not respecting the boundaries. And he's like, well,
learn to respect them. And then they just like hang
up and she's just like gagged and like what do
I I do here? And yeah, she just goes to
town with that French cookbook and just like eats everything. Again.
That's there's just one point where she's like egg batter
and she's stirring it and she just like smashed it
up on her face. It's that whole sequence with the chicken.
And then you also have Margret Quality just shitting on her,
like just shitting on her on the TV show of like, yeah,
it was kind of old fashed and Jurassic yoga and everything.
And that's the thing I wanted to talk about that
in the portion the kind of in between us we're
going to talk about this is what I love about
this movie. There's something that always happens on like it's
a trending like on Facebook and Twitter. These things always
come up every month because it's like an algorithm, but
people always catch a like bait from They're always like,
Who's who's looked the I think I've talk about before,
like who's the best looking You've ever seen a movie? Ever?
And it's always like Cameron Diaz from The Mask and
like Margot Robbie from Wolf the Wall Street. Now I
feel like because the way they shoot her and how
she looks, Quality's gonna get that with this movie. But
what I loved and what is you know, you know,
a getting my collar bone messed up? Is so when
we get to that yoga scene and the dance is
happening quality you know, great looking girl, great shape, everything
like that, and they the camera cinhotography director, they shoot
her in just like this goddess type of way, right,
But then they get so close to her where I
feel and I think they do this on purpose because
they make you almost want to feel like the Dennis
Quaid type of character that is just looking at that stuff.
But these shots of her body get so close that
I start to feel uncomfortable watching these dance scene because
they're just you're like, inch, you feel like you're a
creeper when you're going on, because they have the cameras
like inches away from her most like private areas where
I'm like, I can't believe we're this close. And that's
why I you know, it sounds weird, say love, but
I love that they kind of did that because I
feel like they're trying to put you in that state
of mind, like what when Danis Quad's like, oh you're perfect,
I watch you like I love it, Like they're trying
to make you feel like that. And then even worse
when Demi Moore feel sees that because then everyone's loving
it and obviously that's something you can't do. She has
this great one where she's like, oh, yeah, you like
when you see something, She like opens up a rope
and she's like flashing the TV and she's like obviously
all witch like and everything. So that whole sequence again
where you have this juxposition of this dance scene where
it's pretty much like looking like softcore porn like shots.
So well, and then you have the cooking scene, which
is just the gross discussing. It's just food. It's not
body part, it's not what we get to later. It's
just food. But man, they do such a good job
with that dichotomy.
Speaker 7: Are you dancing in your living room saying pump that
up when you're watching.
Speaker 1: These contract contract I do like the song, and now
that I've seen it twice, it gets stuck in the
head a little bit more. But yeah, I can't. You know,
maybe XPlay and for hour stream will do that. We'll
do their routine geek fors yoga.
Speaker 4: You know, what do you guys think they saw in?
I mean, I guess actually it was just a dream,
a dream.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 7: It wasn't actually any.
Speaker 1: Great tension building scene though, when it like she gets
a bubble popped in her butt and then everyone's it's like, oh,
we got to stop some wrong with cameras which camera
camera too, and just like that, all lights go in
this one monitor and it's of her ass. You're like,
oh no, and then they're like so they slow it down,
like wait, that's not slow enough. Go frame by frame
and like it's just like the uncut gems were like,
oh my fucking chick, son't give me in a robe,
Please get me a robe. I need to get out
of here. And then the chicken. But yeah, I'll see
it was a dream sequence. But I loved the pacing
of that the ass bubble scene, it's so good.
Speaker 2: I like it too because it like it showed that
like up until that point, that character's like perfect right
like completely flawless, and then right away like something that
she thinks people are gonna judge her on or like
seeing imperfection, it's like, oh my God, like give me
my robe. Like all of a sudden, she is really
insecure in her own body and just it it did
not take well. I was gonna say, it doesn't take much.
I guess that is something pretty big, having a full
chicken wing in your in your body but never had it.
But I also just like, I guess the symbolism of
what that is, like it could just be because she
ate a chicken wing right, like like maybe that's what
adds I don't know, some fat on her body or
something that like makes her feel like super insecure.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Could completely just be in your mind, you know, like
that's a sort of sort of idea of like, oh,
I shouldn't eat this because if I eat this, this is
gonna do x Y and zed body, which really is
just supposed to eat most times for fuel and to
make your body get through the day. Right, But everyone's
had that where it's like, oh, I should I eat this,
and I'm eating too much, et cetera. And honestly, I
would say Lizabeth is eating too much. When you look
at that kitchen, it is amrgas Borg. When she wakes
up in.
Speaker 4: There, well, Sue wakes up and looks at like Elizabeth
Scott like chicken fingers like not the chicken figers, Like
her fingers are cold and chicken are you do grease?
Speaker 7: Like it's just yeah, it's a little gross.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then after that, which I love the way
they frame it because they it's a dream sequence. But
when she gets in the studio, they're they're like ripping
the set down. Harvey wants to talk to you, so
you're like, oh fuck, maybe it wasn't dream mate, it
was like the previous day, right, and she just went
to sleep. But then like, oh no, you're doing the
New Year's Special. And at this point, which this is
where it lives in like a very fantastical world, right,
because like she does one show, Oh you're a megastar,
we want to sign you this okay, but I can
only do one week on, one week off and quit.
It's like whatever you want, we'll make it work. Like
that's where it's like none of that stuff is super realistic.
But with this time it's a New Year's Special, so
New Year's Eve Special she has to prepare. So I'm
not gonna say it was as bad as like the
Endgame five years Lare drop a man When she goes
in there at the needle and just fades a black
three months later, it's like, man, what is Demi Moore
gonna be looking like later on? And just like that
Hansy had mentioned this because she hates needles, so just
that montage of needle pus needles and when they have
her like gettings, when they have her back hole again
and it's like grotesque and like she literal use like
all her muscles again there. And I love when they
just pan over and you just see fucking vials and
jars of this shit and it's like, oh.
Speaker 2: My yeah, I think that was the grossest thing for me.
I just like I had to stop watching every time
she was going into that room. It was just some
nasty stuff going on. But yeah, like the wound just
kept getting big, like just worse and worse. And I'll
tell like, after the three month period, there's just like
a sheet over and it's just like, man, what type
of grotesque monsters under there? And I knew we were
gonna be seeing it, so it was like a nice
buildup of tension of like, okay, we saw what she
looked like after you know, she took like a day
or so, after a couple more hours, but hell, three
months later and which she goes and there's just like, yeah,
used vials. It was just so nasty, like just totally
milk farming her.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 6: And the last one too that came out like brown
is like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: It's like, don't use that one. We're getting too desperate here,
don't do it.
Speaker 3: Even like the when she's watching TV and like her
leg is just not working properly, but he wants to
stand up and get the get the book at that point,
like that will see like the bone crunching noises in
this are so good slash disgusting, but yeah that that
sequencing as well was nasty.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, so that happens they do. Eventually, Sue
has to switch back over because she's has like a
you know, I guess some sort of steady boyfriend. I
do love this shot where, uh, when Demi work comes
back and she's like in the Witch Body, it's her
against the door and she's like her ass and then
they cut right to the guy's ass like it's another
good like juxposition of like monstrous ass and then like
thirty year old jack guy's ass like it's such a
good and then he gets the out of there, but
she has to switch back because she's bleeding in the substance,
which I love. Every time they called they're like, oh,
it's whatever so and so and it's dead signs and
like it's real fun, like okay, how can we help?
Like they won't even and that's what I love. They
won't even acknowledge that it's like a person it's a subject, right,
like what you're talking about earlier, Dylan. It's just like
it's data for them. But they say, oh no, it's uh,
it's gone dry. You gotta you gotta switch back to
get that formula refilled. They switched back, and we kind
of already talked about this a little bit where she
Uh sues not she wants to end it, but then
she realizes, Okay, maybe I don't want this a little
too late that she put the formula in her, but
she finds a way. I get her blood there heart
pumping brings up, which I was surprised. I thought in
this movie, we're actually never gonna obviosly there I know,
in the same room, but I thought there was a
good chance they were never gonna have a scene together.
So I was kind of shocked when that happened. When
Qualley got up and just a great like that's why
I love again the hide in the world. There's just
one moment, and I can build this up in my
head because the substance maybe has some special jews. But
mar Margaret Uh kicks and she goes like matrix flying
across the room, and I love that hole is the
matrix she is the matrix. Yeah, and I just love
that we get like this like many five minute action
fight scene, which is not really much of a fight.
It's just Elizabeth getting pretty much hits, pretty one sided.
Speaker 3: I'm the price. She could even walk after once again
that that coach scene. She could barely stand up with
like the one leg situation, Like her whole body has
been like that for months.
Speaker 6: There's a pressure.
Speaker 4: She could even move around on the stairs too, like
she was gliding down those stairs in Hag for him.
Speaker 1: She got that adrenaline her soul, you know. But Yeah,
and as we talked about, Sue decides she's gonna kill
Elizabeth just in the he in the mode. But again,
she cries after she does that. I don't know if
that's because it's murder and she just killed someone, don't
know if it's because that is like a part of her.
But I like that touch that she cries. But you know,
she's got the big New Year, so show she'll just
go get ready for that. Everything's going swimmingly. She's talking
to all these people, but of course and it's like,
oh man, we're about to really hit the fan here. Uh,
just a random tooth of Sue's falls out and then
more teeth fall out, her nails are coming out, everything.
Terry talk about that scene when they asked her smile
I love. She's like like smiles with like the mouth
closed and like, oh perfect. And then she decides, Okay,
shit's going real bad. She gets back, she calls for
a substance because she thinks that, okay, maybe using this
is the same way Elizabeth was on the Rocks. Got
a younger version, better version, this will do for me.
But as I love the cut when she puts the
needle in and she hits it to go in, they
flash back to the beginning of the movie and they go,
you know, substance can only be used once, so it's
like that thing. She kind of forgot about it. And
then Sue wakes up as Elizabeth or as what I
can't remember what they call. They have this, uh the names,
and it's like, yeah, and there's something like that, but
she wakes up in just.
Speaker 3: A monstrol monstromo Elizisu or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, And she just
wakes up with she's a big blob. She has I
won't say hundreds dozens of different body parts, teeth. Demimore's
face is on her shoulder, and there's so many shots
in this movie they just go like it's just her
looking up in the most uncomfortable way. I love at
the end of the movie when she's on the stage
and they're like, is that so and so, and then
we're just like it's me, Like no one can see
her because she's on the back, but yeah, she's just
this grotesque monster. And I'm excited to talk about this,
But for me, I was just there's so many times where, like, Krickly,
you made a good comparison with malign I just feel
like we talked about movies where it's like, oh, wouldn't
that be so cool if they like they did it
or they went that far, but they never do. They're like, well,
we still gonna like we can't do that. We can't
have her on the stage like bleeding on everybody, Like
that's gonna be too much for me. What I love
about this third act and Bean, we'll talk about it,
be some things about them, but I just love that
they just fucking go for it, Like, Yeah, we're gonna
make her a monster and she's gonna go this New
Year's Show. You're gonna get these naked dancers covered in blood.
Like again there's a shot of just like a close
up of a woman's very nice dairy air and then
just like blood hits it. Like they're always doing these
juxpositions and putting the like Elizabeth mask on. I love everything.
I just love that they they just went for it,
and they, like, for me, over delivered on what this
thing was gonna look like. And Marco Quality is in
that suit the whole time, so shut out to her
because that's a nice Yeah, that's fantastic. But uh yeah,
and I think in the trivia have the hours. But yeah,
well let's talk about the third act.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'll bring up some of my issues. So one,
first of all was and this one we might we
might have debunked a little bit, was just because the
way I was reading the movie was that they weren't
really sharing the same consciousness. And we've talked about how
they kind of are, and you guys gave some good
examples of that, but for me, I was like, Okay,
if Quality knows how little they actually share of a mind,
like why would she want this for herself? Why would
she want to go into this form where she's not
gonna be able to experience what like this good side is.
And so obviously, as we've talked about, like maybe there
is a little bit more there, but I think that's
on the interpretive side. I guess maybe that is more
evidence that they do share more than it really seemed
like or else like why would she do that because
she just sees like how shitty it is for the
host the matrix. Yeah, like you really get the short
end of the stick there. There's really like very little
benefit unless you have like I don't know, but even
it's like you're having like the get Out experience where
you're just like a mind inside of someone's head, like
watching from like a little screen, it's not really the same.
So it seems like kind of a weird choice. There
was also like, you know, this movie is very over
the top, but I was just kind of weird aout
by some of the logistics of the sequence where she's
like at the studio and then she like runs home,
which seemingly takes like two minutes, and then she does
all this stuff and then she goes back to the studio.
But then like also this New Year's thing is also
at the same studio where she works, which is also
like two minutes from her house. Like, the whole logistics
of it was just really off to me, which seems
kind of nitpicky, but it was just kind of it
was just kind of odd. Thing is in no world
do I feel like there should be any juice left
in in that vial? Maybe the only and now if
I'm trying to haycant like what would be the reason.
Maybe good because the people doing this like want to
see what some monster could be like down the road,
But it doesn't really seem like that is the case
from the company. So it just seems weird that there
would be like extra juice in the vial Like this,
the whole thing seems so precise and perfect down to
like you have to transform on the minute or else
your fingers are gonna start to rot off. So the
fact that the vile would have like a little extra
sauce in it at the bottom seems kind of unrealistic
for me. And I don't know what I think. The
other thing, too, is like once the final Monstromo transformation happens,
I think all that is great. That is like perfect
and disgusting and like a great way to end it.
But then I kind of feel like after we leave
that bathroom, everything after that didn't really add to the
story or like the metaphors that we're dealing with this movie.
It was just like kind of grotesque, but also like
wasn't really that interesting for me. So I think that's
where it kind of lost me a little bit. Like
I felt like after the bathroom, it kind of felt like,
how do we end this movie? And the kind of
came up with something, but I kind of wish it
went another direction. I don't know what that would have been.
Like I think if she had just dropped dead in
the bathroom at that point, I would have been unsatisfactory,
But I think I wanted it to go somewhere else.
I didn't really love that stuff, with the exception of
the final Little Spider version of her landing on the star,
like that's a really nice ending there, but this stuff
up to that point wasn't really working for me as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think I'm pretty close to you here, Dylan.
On the third act, I respected the decision to just
really go off the ball, off the walls, balls all,
whatever the hell they're doing. To me, it just felt
like I don't know, this movie is pretty long already,
and I felt like it was really dragging on, especially
at the end, like when she does put on the
mask and like COEs Ad dresses everyone. I'm like, I
didn't need to see this. And like, like you mentioned,
like I did really like the star scene, I didn't
like it so much returning to it and just having
this blob thing crawling on the star.
Speaker 3: It's another thing of like the dimension, like the scale
of everything. It's like, oh, also that star is within
like a two minute, like anything else that happens in
this movie.
Speaker 1: Okay, she being crawling for a long time. We just
cut there, you know, and at least the studio you
could believe, because like that billboards right there today, if
she was working there to day, she could just had
like a hotel, like a hotel, but an apartment by
the lot, right.
Speaker 6: I lived in there for all, you know, lived in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but uh yeah, I I I just felt like
it really was getting dragged on a little bit. And
uh because I was I also wasn't just loving what
I was seeing it if it made it seem that
much longer, And I don't know, like I I also
agree with you saying that like once we got to
that point, it didn't really seem like we had a
lot of like powerful messaging, you know, for like just
just confidence with yourself. It was just like, no, we're
just gonna end the movie a very sci fi crazy way.
And I don't know, I liked some aspects of it,
like yeah, when when she's kicking Demi Moore like across
the room and it just feels like when Gabriel comes
out like in Malignant, and it's just you get that
high octane music, like it felt like that level of
a scene. But again, like it it felt like I
still had like thirty five minutes more to go in
the movie after that, and I just wasn't a super
big fan of it. But I don't really know what
I would change either, because I just I think it's
a problem I can't really provide a solution to.
Speaker 6: It's just maybe not my genre of film.
Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, the bu Taylor even even spoken
about the ending here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the ending, like I said before, totally a left
turn curveball. I was not expecting the like monstro beast
creature that was a combination of the two. I really
just didn't know, the only thing I was kind of
anticipating at this point was that, Okay, Sue is going
to get up on stage and it's not gonna go good.
Speaker 7: She's gonna start.
Speaker 4: Falling part out there, or I thought that she was
gonna get terminated and Moore's character was going to be
the one to go out there looking like the old hag.
Speaker 5: So that's what I thought.
Speaker 4: But I did not anticipate Sue taking some more of
this juice and producing a weird creature thing. And it's
I kind of this is gonna sound mean, but I
kind of want to get a gift of it. Just
uses like my face when because there's a quick pan,
it's like the corner of the mirror reflection when you
see the monstro like look at the mirror. It's like, ah,
the facial expression really just cracks me up. But yeah,
just absolutely grotesque with like shedding like boobs out of
like these protrusions and it just dragging shit like it's
so fucking gross, and it's just it's gross, gross gross.
Speaker 3: The dress still fit.
Speaker 5: Though the dress still fit, I was booming.
Speaker 4: I was very confused when she walks the door and
everyone's cheering for her, I'm like, man, what.
Speaker 7: The fuck's wrong with these people?
Speaker 4: But they that was just another dream sequence. The paper
mask attached to her face was cracked me up. But yeah,
just the one bread flag though, Like she knocks and
she scans the key card on the door and the
guard's like, oh, we're looking ever for you. You better
get out there, and then he leaves. It's like, man,
what a terrible security guard.
Speaker 7: Jesus.
Speaker 4: But it would be interesting to know more about what
the backstory is with this company. Has this happened frequently?
Was that guy that initially got her on the substance?
Was he some kind of a recruiter who had that,
Like he had the USB sticks, so obviously he he
finds people because he said, like he's feeling her spine,
he knows what he's looking for.
Speaker 7: So is he a recruiter? What's going on there?
Speaker 4: But I'd like to know a little bit more beout
because how many instances does this happen? The guy was
obviously very stoic whenever they would call on the phone,
I'm five oh three, I need help, And I think
that that just goes to show, Okay, that they've probably
had this happen before. They know the results, they know
what's going to go wrong. That's why they have these rules.
But I would love to have a little bit more
expansion on all of that, because, yeah, this thing is
just brutal, and that's all over public TV. So as
far as I'm concerned, if they're a black market, very
hush hush and secret and their client just exploded on
TV like this, like the leaving the DNA everywhere like
that would be very bad for business.
Speaker 3: So the mortician's going to have be in a field
day doing the autopsy on that corpse and figuring out
what the heck's in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I love that moment where the guy
takes like the microphone stand and beheads her. But then yeah,
she just grows into the head back with another extra boob.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I know you mentioned the teeth. I can
remember if you mentioned the ear coming off the bathroom too.
That was disgusting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's in there covering up and they just
have like a pelvis, like, hey, how's it going. Like
he's like trying to flirt with her or something, and
like and she doesn't talk to me. He's like, oh yeah, whatever,
like like he's just like put off that she won't
talk to him, and it's just like that again, I
constant theme of stuff happening, even for me at the
end where it's like this woman's clearly distraught and this
guy like, hey, how's it going? Look like that? That
for me is where some theme stuff picked up as
far as like even in this woman's possible worst moment,
this guy's hitting on her because like, oh, she's kind
of good looking, and then he's like kind of annoyed
when she won't say anything back to him, so then
he walks away, and yeah, yeah, anything else? I have
some trivia for you know, as much trivia as you
can for a current year movie. But I do have some.
But is there anything else to shout out?
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 4: You already commented. I'm just gonna say it again. When
she's cooking in the kitchen like that's crazy, crazy, crazy, Kirkling.
You you mentioned it too, and she's like in the bathroom,
doesn't go on that date.
Speaker 5: She just pulling her makeup off.
Speaker 4: DeBie Moore is just delivering it as a fantastic actress
in these scenes. It's truly remarkable. The guy though that
she was going to go on that date with I
thought he was kind of a he was interesting character thus.
Speaker 7: Ship in the Mud and all that he was. He
was very suss.
Speaker 4: But I like the idea that you know, you have
to take care of your old self too, you know,
you can't just give up and just experience this younger
version so.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's what the guy was trying in the
bath and not the bathroom in the restaurant, was like, oh,
the more you give to it, the more you feel alone,
and the more it takes from you. And it's like
because she's living this glamorous life and it's like, oh,
well now I'm just going to stay at home. It's like,
you don't have to do that. She could have kept
going on with her life doing other things, but no,
she had to keep going the road. You know, even
then he could have had all the substance, could have
just kept doing that she.
Speaker 6: Started to take from you.
Speaker 2: Yet like he just gets like so just so enraged
in that moment.
Speaker 6: It just seems so much more intent.
Speaker 4: Which it's interesting too and with respect because that old guy,
his old self never met Demi Moore, so it would
have just been the young version of him that met her.
But then the older self was familiar and like had
that memory of her and recruiting her. So again, just
how the consciousness works between the two I guess.
Speaker 1: Okay, some trivia here. Ray Liota was cast in the
film twenty twenty two, but he died in May that
year before filming could start, so dens Quay replaced him,
and there is some thank you notes in there. So yeah,
Ridgree was Rayle Liota, which still would have been good,
but quite a different performance that he would have been.
He would have been able to deliver on some of
these isms. And I'm excited because next week the next
wretch will be talking about Israeliota in Goodfellows. We'll circle
back to Realiota because a very talented actor that underrated
my opinion. But he already said this that our requality
revealed that she had prosthetic boobs designed by French makeup artists.
Quality stated, unfortunately, there's no magic boob potion, so we
glue those things on, found a credible proceect team to
endow me with the rock with the rack of a lifetime,
just not my lifetime. I love that quote, it's such
a good one. And again her stock for me just
keeps going up and up. But Damy Warwis said she
was nervous but filming a full nude scene, which yeah,
she kudos to her at sixty one, and felt very vulnerable.
She credited Margaret Margo whichever we go, Well, I'll just
say quality, who was twenty ninth the time filming, portrayed
a young version of her. Yeah. Yeah, we all know
that she was naked the whole time, so it felt
like she was a great partner I have. I felt
very safe. We obviously are quite close. We were naked,
so there's lots of levity moments on set, so yeah,
and you know, and again female director too, so hopefully
that helps them. But yeah, imagine there's just a lot
of days, especially in those bathroom just them being naked,
hopefully with a very closed set.
Speaker 2: But seems cold, you know. I feel like the probably
and stuff like typically and like the set.
Speaker 3: Even at one point she's like her face is just
rubbing against the floor. And I hope they gave that
a good clean, Like this isn't an actual bathroom, but
I hope they gave it a good clean. But that that, yeah,
that's a good point. It was funny when I was
watching that scene, I was like, for a moment, I
was taken out of him, Like, man, that must be
awkward to be an actor in that situation. But I'm
sure they kind of bonded pretty quickly. And then like,
it's why I almost wanted more of them, like both
of them being conscious at the same time and actually
acting rather than just fighting each other, just to get
a little bit more. I don't know that's I think
that's kind of a different movie or a different take
on the concept, but just because I wanted to see
them kind of play off each other a bit more,
but didn't get that opportunity obviously.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and at least when you're reading the script, it's
a role that you know, like they're gonna be naked
lots right, Like there might be a script again says
like oh, sex scene, but like we've seen sex scenes
before that are PG PG thirteen.
Speaker 3: I was like, before you read this, just be warned. Yeah,
trigger warning, this is what you're gonna have to do.
Speaker 1: In so interviews, Demi Moore said that in reading the script,
the movie reminded her of the script of Ghosts because
the chance that it could be amazing or disaster was
the same that was crucial for to accept the role.
So which I like hearing that she read that and said, oh,
this could be a which I definitely could see you
reading this script being like this could be a fucking
like Razzy like Quale, like this could be and again
like it's like it's being talked about for the Globes
and oscars and stuff. I'd love Demi to squeeze. I mean,
I'd be fighting for both of them come like January,
but I'd love Demi to squeeze them in there. I
don't globes. It's going comedy, which it works, but I
could see reading that script and being like, oh, yeah,
I don't know about this. This this could be a
real disaster.
Speaker 2: But it must be so challenging too, because like they
have no idea what the visuals are gonna look like,
exact sound design and just just like all of the
factors that really make this a special movie, Like you
you've you know, I guess you've been doing it a
long time. You can you're able to identify some of
those things out of the script.
Speaker 1: Plus do you imagine you got to go back and
watch director's work too, of like because she's somebody that
this is like her biggest film. I think she'd done
weather film before, but then like a lot of shorts
and I think she's uh in her mid fortiest, but
she's just been plugging away doing stuff like you know, shorts,
all the type of stuff, schooling and everything.
Speaker 6: Yeah, which is it's great brought up for some reason.
Speaker 1: You gotta watch. You gotta give it another chance, Kirk,
and you gave up on it. It's death episode already,
know that death episode. Man, you got to get there. Yeah,
exactly season two before that, Demi Moore stated the full
mirror sequence. She did at least fifteen takes for each scene,
and then they her face was ross the whole roub
and everything like that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was like that was almost unsettling, just
how much she was. I thought you'd like poke an
eye out kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys will see this in like a couple
of years now on Bloopers Real. But at one point
the way, Demi Moore is like hitting yourself like that.
So Taire gets fired up to act. So just wait,
I'll do a side by side one time when he's
trying not to last.
Speaker 3: He does that until his collar bone collar Bones started
just throbbing and as.
Speaker 1: He's good to go, let's see. Universal Pictures was originally
tached to distribute the film though the deal with the
film production or through the deal the working title the
film production working title. At some point during the making
the film, they end up stepping away from the project.
According to Hollywood reporting multiple sources of the Universe was
worried about the prospect of releasing the film. Movie ended
up acquiring World Whites for the film shortly premiere at
Cans Festival. It's their biggest one. It won Best Screenplay
it can. So that's like a that's a big deal
to win that it can. So. Demi Moore was originally
not the director's first pick. During a medium Paris, Moore
gave Fargeat a copy of her twenty nineteen memoir, which
was which convinced to Casser due to the exception of
a relationship with her body and in the peak years
of her film career. So I've never read Demi Moore's
the memoir, like I like Demi Wore, but I haven't
got my way. But I guess it hits on a
lot of those type of themes in this movie. So
what a way to get a role is give your
autobiography to someone like, oh, sure, I'll do that.
Speaker 3: Is there any info about like other people who were.
Speaker 1: No, not yet. I bet that'll come out maybe more
down the line. But and I guarantee there wasn't like
too many people. It could have even been to the
point where this script was being shot around, so the
director maybe had ideas, but like Demi Moore or and
agent got the script and like, hey, you should talk
to her before. There's a chance that she had a list,
but they didn't even go talk to anybody. And then
Moore does maybe the like you know, the swoop in
there at the book who knows? But yeah, there was
no other names in there.
Speaker 3: So that's the book under her door.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just what you are the book. But no,
she's and obviously she's cited at Dan Cohenbriggs to Fly
as The influence on this film both movies and clothes
include the moment the protagons moving their fingernail of a
decaying finger. There, you're you gotta be a fan the Fly, right,
Jeff Goldblum or have you never seen that?
Speaker 7: I don't think I've ever seen it.
Speaker 1: It's like a Nicolas Cage face off situation one day.
That's it's on Disney Plus. But maybe just wait till
a retro somebody, because that's uh, that's it. That's very
much not like this doesn't deal with the same themes,
but as far as grotesque stuff, Jeff Golden turning into
a fly for two hours, it's a fucking disgusting movie,
but it's great stuff. Uh. And finally, during tiff, Denymore
said that her prosts took six to nine hours to
apply and then they could only be on there for
a few hours. I don't know what that means. I'm
sure it's just like it just rubs and gets really hot.
But you gotta love that, like permanently listen.
Speaker 6: It's like a big type story.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but yeah, I just think about that, like
you get it's like a weather situation where takes six
and nine hours get the makeup on, and that's probably okay,
we got three hours ago. So it's like you're doing
all that work for the York. Yeah, So this was
one of the one of the reasons behind this. The
short working schedule was also because prosthetics were delicate and
were would only last a limit amount of time or take,
So that's the other thing that you'd be doing a take.
This does falling off, and then you got like, re
go do it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, the hag kind of looks a little bit
like the like when Johnny Knoxville in Jackass, like does
the Grandma the grandma stuff, and I feel like she's
always he always got body parts hanging out when he's
doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, she kind of remind me that the
cave trolls. I don't know the cave trolls, but from
the Hobbit, the ones that get turned to the stone
because they're very saggy and stuff like that. And then
she kind of has the face of Gallum like at
that part in the in between, it's very Gollum like.
Speaker 2: But she like wakes up after the three months and
looks in the mirror, it's just.
Speaker 6: Like skin saggy boots. It's just like her like horror
that she's.
Speaker 1: Just a screech, you know, just a screech. And I
think my.
Speaker 7: Friend's like, what, what's who is that?
Speaker 6: Get the fuck?
Speaker 3: And he leaves immediately. He's like, I don't care what
happened to my question?
Speaker 1: No, gotta get out of there. But Yeah. My last
point in the notes I forgot was just I love
that whatever that sound I played beginning with the substans
that like that that loud just punk is sort of
feel is a good time. The love the sound. Editing
this movie, but Tearfield find thoughts.
Speaker 4: And writing, Yes, I am going to say that while
I don't believe I will be revisiting this movie anytime soon,
sitting on it, stewing on it and thinking about it
does help me realize that this movie has a very
very good kind of theme to it that I think
it's it's it really just doesn't sugarcoat how different parts
of society can can really be, and it's it's really
shitty where you can have pathetic men treating you like
and objectifying you, and you have that just transferring into
this belief that you are nothing even though you're.
Speaker 5: Like sixty years old.
Speaker 4: And Demi Moore looks out the outstanding and she still
don't feels that she's nothing, like she's nothing in comparison,
seeing all the ads like oh, finding the new Elizabeth
Sparkles and whatnot is just like driving her up a wall.
And so I think that there is lots of themes
in here that you can really latch onto and take
with you and just uses a reminder because yeah, just
that creature we get at the end, it's just uh yeah,
my goodness, like things could always be a lot worse
and thank god that we don't have anything like that.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, and it's even Algret, like we've talked about this.
We're not gonna name it, but there's certain celebrities it's
just like they go when they get that work done
and the next time you see me, just go, man,
you just should have kept an agent, because it's like
they got the cat face or their faces a mover.
There's something going. It's just like, and I've said that,
not that she's like playing, but I'm like, please, like,
don't do any of that type of stuff because I
see some of these people it's just like you look
at them versus this age naturally, it's like some sometimes
that chasing the dragon of youth can put you down.
This to me is like the you know, obviously the
extreme out where you're like you turn to a big monster.
But people, it's like, I don't you don't need to
be looking like a plastic doll on your way out
the door, like we're all gonna get old. It's okay,
that's you're supposed to earn those wrinkles and earn the
gray marks, you know, which you know, I think the
movie does a good job of that as well.
Speaker 4: No, that's absolutely right, as you said it, We're all
gonna get old and whatnot. So it's uh, yeah, it's
just some people can really just get caught up and
that have that existential crisis, the midlife crisis, just wanted
to be young and relive all those kind of glory days.
And it's just I think it also detracts too, because
it's getting old. People definitely get afraid of getting old.
But there's definitely a certain kind of like a lure
to getting old too, right with all your experiences and
everything when you get to that stage. And I think
that's something with DeBie Moore's character, that she had pursued
this heavy career in this film, and she could have
now an opportunity to actually have time for herself and
you know, meet this guy and actually build something for herself.
But she chose not to do that. She chose to
live in the past and to be in that kind
of that mindset that society has injected into into her.
So yeah, I think there's a lot of themes that
are really really powerful in this movie. Like I said,
probably not gonna revisit it, but I'm gonna go. I'm
gonna I would have been much lower yesterday, but I'm
thinking I'm gonna go a probably a four, not a
four out of five. Sorry, ah, seven point five out
of ten. I was thinking about the five.
Speaker 1: I'm much higher on it today.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go to seven point five out of.
Speaker 1: It before my god, mister Moss.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this this was fun discussion because I do feel
like some of my not necessarily issues they were they
were issues ish, but I really just needed to hash
them out with you guys and figure out some of it.
And it is. It is when I feel like I
do need to rewatch at some point to really figure
out how I feel about some of the rules and continuity,
Like does all of it make sense?
Speaker 5: But this movie is not.
Speaker 3: Very fun to watch, so I'm not gonna do that
anytime soon at some point in the future. But yeah,
super duper well made. I've not really seen any more
act like ever. I feel like i've I've when I
was going through IMDb today, I'm like, yeah, Okay, she
was in this movie, she was in the whatever, Massive Talent.
I'm like, I don't even remember what she did in that.
Speaker 4: Like I I feel like I've seen I've recorded I's cash.
So when I when I went through IMDb, I'm like, Okay,
I recognize some of these movies, but like, I don't
think I've ever seen her in a starring or even
like a supporting role in something, and so I was
really impressed.
Speaker 3: I think she absolutely killed it and quality is just outstanding,
even like this run she's had recently of not starring
all of them, but like Sanctuary into like the the
Two like poor Things, and I haven't seen Kinds of
Kindness yet, but she's in there. I was watching a
little bit of Driveaway Dolls Gigs and my dad was
watching it when I was in Kelowna, and like just
gaining more appreciation for that movie on a second watch.
Apparently she's in Happy Gilmore Too coming up. But I'm
very excited to see which she does in that because
that's apparently.
Speaker 1: Her the first movie. It's like her favorite movie. I'm sure.
Speaker 3: Adam Saydler was like, yeah, I pick one of the
best up and cover actresses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I had to look at I said, and
I'm like, what the fuck is her agent doing here?
And then when I looked, I'm like, Okay, she like
big fan this, but I was like, she's in all
She's like assurd trajectory. It's like, I feel like Happy
Gilmore two could be a different but it's like, no,
if you've be in the.
Speaker 3: Same family like EMMSTONI you know, she's like done so
many comedies and like she'll still go back and do
Zombieland too. You know, I feel like I really like
that quality. Is like I just when I like those movies.
I just mentioned that run of movies, like even her
role and Poor Things is a very funny one. She's
such a minor character, but I love that she's in
that movie and does that. She's just so versatile.
Speaker 1: But to me, yeah, Sanctuary, and I didn't love the movie,
but you know, love Sanctuary. She's great in there.
Speaker 3: You know the movie that I've seen and talked about.
Speaker 1: What you tell me you have you seen? I thought
you saw a Sanctuary. I thought we talked about some newscasts.
Ye do you shut?
Speaker 3: Though I did?
Speaker 1: My mind minds continue. I need some substances.
Speaker 3: You need to get your Yeah, I get your matrix
juice figured out over here? But yeah, where was I?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Acting is really really great across the board. Uh, visuals outstanding,
sound design is like some of the best I feel
like I've ever ever seen. Uh so, yeah, I'm gonna
drop a nine niner.
Speaker 7: On this one.
Speaker 3: Nine ten.
Speaker 1: I would have put you, uh before after Kirklin and
don't be that high. But kirklind you gotta be hired,
no joke. What are you? Final thoughts in a writing?
Speaker 6: My final thoughts on this film? This one was something special.
Speaker 2: It was definitely an original idea with some fantastic performances.
Speaker 1: You watch it, No, definitely not.
Speaker 2: It's funny because I was like toying with the idea
and then uh this, like just today, I'm like, man,
you would have not liked that movie I watched last night.
It was just like it was one of those that
I felt like I had to talk to someone about it,
and I like, I was just describing me.
Speaker 6: She's like, I don't want to know. I don't want
to know.
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is what you do.
Speaker 6: You're a nurse. You know you put people with needles.
Speaker 3: You know. It was funny when when I was watching this,
I was watching my parents place. I'm like, I'm not
watching this with my mom's home because i know she'll
just freak out of this. But my dad got home
like four act three pretty much, and he sat down
on the couch and just like watched the rest with me,
and I'm like, I don't even want to explain what
how we've gotten to this point. You know, he was chilling.
He was on his iPad. But it was like just
such a weird movie to walk in and say, someone.
Speaker 6: Watch especially that act like there she is.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I know there's there's some really good stuff
in here and some stuff that I don't ever want
to see again. I think I think I'll make the bargain.
I'll give this one an eight point five out of
ten if I never have seen it again, and I'm
happy with that.
Speaker 1: You might be itching one time in years from now
because you canna think about it. You know, it's honestly,
it's grossome at likenit. But I'll say, like, there's stuff
that for me improved even though and I loved it
the first time. Yeah, watching it and I was like, Okay,
this is flowing pretty well.
Speaker 2: So it's stuff because there's like some beautiful shots that's
just like eye Candy, and then there's like the opposite,
which is just like eye Acid at the end. But like,
but I guess now that I've seen it, I'll like
know what to uh like what parts to skip through,
because like there were many times I literally was just
not looking like at the screen, and I'm like, I
would help, I think, make bele These had like gross noises,
just squishy noises, just just not good your ear sounds,
crunchy noises. Yeah, I love chicken, but like, man, they
make chicken.
Speaker 6: Look so gross in this in this movie.
Speaker 2: And but uh yeah, I know it's it's it's a
good one and I would definitely recommend it to many
many people out there.
Speaker 1: I was trying to find the way you're describing this
isn't the exact one. I was trying to find this
me when you're describing Ie Acid Kirkling, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know if I want to see.
Speaker 1: On this. It's not the exact one. There's another one
that's good.
Speaker 6: Sees the Moon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so good, it's I drop it and just
falls completely. But uh yeah, no, no, no, sport like
surprise here it's my second. I got a ranked second.
But this is one that when I make my which
I can't wait. We're almost halfway there, when I make
my Best of the Decade list, this is so far
gonna be high. I gotta look and compare it, but
it's i'd say a top ten right now. For the
past four years, I love this movie. Like I said quality,
it just continues to be Kimera. The first thing, like
just to see her in like The Nice Guys and
she had this minor role of like a porn star
and like okay, like yeah, good looking girl and she's
like good actress. Sure, But then from there to now,
it's like that girl she's gonna or that woman at
least she's gonna win an oscar very very soon and
uh and more. It's just like like I said, I'd
have to go back and do like a deep dive,
because yeah, like Ghosts is great, but like I don't know,
like it's there's something else. There's like a like g
I Jane's but this is just like I just feel
like a different level. I feel like everyone's on a
different level here, including the director and yeah, whatever I've
seen Sam, and I have to see if there's more films,
even short films that I'm trying to go back and
take a look at, especially like learning some things. But yeah,
I know this film for me somehow, it's on the
opposite of Kirkland. So I'm just a fucking weird or
I'm like, oh, this is real. This is a movie
that like I'm gonna put on a lot. I could see.
It's probably because the humor aspect, where like we talked
about The Witch a few weeks ago, is like that
I need, like I need some time in between. But
because it is so zany and there's so many moments
that like I have a good time with that, I
think it will be on a heavy rotation. So but uh, yeah,
I won't be watching in apel because I'm a least
like seeing it like a little bit. But like you know,
it wasn't her cup of Tea either. But yeah, big
old ten for me. Love this movie. Thank you try
for recommending it, because we would have talked about it,
I'm sure at some point, but I'm glad we did.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I think this warranted a full review and I'm happy
we're not doing a It's not a uh, what is
a salpurn situation where if this does come up a
lot in February and it's like, oh, why didn't you
guys do a full review, it's like, well, there you go,
we we did it, and yeah, so that's it. If
you ever want us to talk about something, let us know,
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We hope you enjoyed this retrospective review whatever you want
to call it. Hope it lived with the expectations. And yeah,
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our crew and everything like that, and I think most
of our people are high on it. I'm sure once
Clay and I might get around to seeing it, you know,
it will be a different discussion there. They're on the
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