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welcome everyone back to the Pekingano Show. It's been a while,

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but Greg Hood's back. How's it going doing, good Man?

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Speaker 2: Call me chat. You can call me James Kirpatrick, you

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can call me whatever you want. I think the anyone

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who cares knows who I am at this point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, after the after the docs sing, it's you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's one of the big things. I mean,

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it's inevitable. You're going to get docs. You just got

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to deal with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta set it up so that you have

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some kind of backup plan ready to go and when

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it eventually happens. Let's jump in with this. One of

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the big things that you've been pushing ever since Trump

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got elected is remittances remittance taxes on people sending money

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back home who came here illegally. And what a day

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to talk about that because so much of it has

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to do with India. I think India four percent of

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their GDP is remittances from from the United States. And

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then we have this cartoon character congressman from Michigan who

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and I hate I hated to use this joke because

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I love the man so much, but I said, gott

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is he not Peter Brimolo. If Peter Brimlow had had

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a baby with Vivak Ramaswani, I mean.

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Speaker 2: If Peter Brimblow looked like an NPC from oblivion maybe.

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I mean, it's it's absurd. And you see everybody right

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now dunking on him, just like what are we doing here?

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Like who is this guy? Why is he in the country?

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Why is he in Congress? Now he's saying we need

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to impeach Trump because Trump deported an illegal I mean,

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but what exactly is the point of the country. What

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have we been reduced to if this is where we're at.

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But I mean, to go to remittances. I think that's

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the biggest missed opportunity so far. I mean, a remittance

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tax is something that Trump talked about during his first

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run for president. There was a plan. Everybody forgets this,

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but there was an actual plan for how they were

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going to get Mexico to pay for the wall, and

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it said right there, black and white, we are going

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to have a remittance tax. That's how we're going to

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do it, and we just haven't heard anything about it.

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I kind of wonder what Stephen Miller is doing. I mean,

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he's so clearly detail oriented, and he's going out there

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just schooling the press on the ins and outs of

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all these policies and yet we've just heard nothing about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I just don't think people realize that. You know,

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covering it as much as possible. And I had someone

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who you know, contacted me and is like, what you

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really have to understand is just if they want to

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keep these dollars circulating, especially globally, they need these people

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in here. They need more people in here, because if

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they want to have a global currency, the more people

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they have here sending money back home, the more the

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dollar is in demand worldwide. And hell, who I mean

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if it means that, you know, we take half of

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the subcontinent in who cares, right, right?

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Speaker 2: And but that is one of the big questions do

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they want that? Because one of the big things that

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currency anymore. We don't want the dollar to be as strong.

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if you're serious about stopping immigration, and if you're serious

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about America being a nation and not just a marketplace,

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eventually you're going to kind of run headfirst into a

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without upsetting a lot of very powerful people. I mean,

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what's interesting now is that for all the talk about

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how the billionaires are backing Trump now and he was

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put in by the elites, this is far more threatening

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to elite power than anything he ever talked about doing

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in his first term, certainly a lot more threatening than

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anything he talked about during his first reelection. Bid Whether

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he can pull it off, I don't know, but I

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think it's a fight worth having because we'll have it out.

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or not by the end of this term. And then,

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about giving up on the idea of America and the

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idea of American identity ending and just embracing a white identity. Now,

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be if you have the entire system come down and

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say no, we are literally going to impeach you for

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deporting the legal immigrants. And that's actually what we're going

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to call fascism. If that's where we're at, why even

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talk about reforming the system anymore.

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Speaker 1: That's a point. Another point I've been making a lot

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recently is that if we're going to have another election,

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there's a chance a Democrat is going to take over.

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punish Oh yeah, their enemies. I mean, and it's not

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going to be J six throwing people in the hole.

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I mean, they are Chris Murphy. I don't know if

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you saw Mike Mike Shelby shared that video. Chris Murphy,

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he's literally getting ready for a color revolution. He's it

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was him planning a color revolution. So if we're going

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to have another election, really, what is this? What on

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a national level, a national country, why what.

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Speaker 2: Are we doing here? This is something I mean, this

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is going to sound a bit larvae, but it's something

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that Trump seems to be hinting at more and more.

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And Stephen Miller again, Stephen Miller basically said that the

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Democrats can never again be allowed to have national leadership

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because they just simply can't be trusted with these sorts

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of fundamental ideas. We are at the point now where

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I think it makes sense to talk about American empire

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as a form of government, not just territorial expansion. The

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system we have now, first of all, is so far

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gone from the Constitution that to even talk about constitutional

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rule is laughable. But second, we all see that the

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people that were told run the country don't actually run

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the country. I mean, the biggest dog that hasn't barked

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for the first one hundred days. Where the hell is Congress?

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has done anything other than representative mace like posing for

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the camera and some of these other Republicans asking these

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silly rhetorical questions to get engagement, bait. I don't know

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what they're doing these days. The only action is coming

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from the White House and coming from the Judiciary, neither

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one of which was considered to be by the Framers,

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the main branch of government, the thing where everything was

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going to come from. Clearly, I think what we have, too,

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is that we have structural problems that are so profound

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and require such a long term perspective that the system

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we have in place now, again very different from what

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the Framers wanted, makes it impossible to do. I mean

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the things that President Trump was talking about in terms

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of trade, in terms of immigration, in terms of re

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orienting how the government funds itself, and maybe not having

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most people pay taxes any more. These are things that

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require like a decade. This is Singapore style reconstitution. It

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can't really work in a system of government where you

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basically have two years and then you're guaranteed to lose power,

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which is why the other side wins, because unfortunately, concentrated

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benefits always win over diffuse costs. I think that's why

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like Doge and these opportunities to cut government funding really

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haven't been going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: So there's a bunch there we When I look at

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like the MAGA. Yeah, when I look at the Magabase,

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I see basically conservatives, liberals, classical liberal types. But I think,

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even though they don't realize it, subconsciously they were voting

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for a king. They wanted someone to come in there.

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I felt safer in sen Salvador walking around at night

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with my wife than if I was in New York

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City or you know, most big cities on the Atlanta

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in this country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a country. We can't say that about large parts

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Speaker 1: If he's I mean, it's it's time for that, right,

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I mean, that's the only only possible way.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what when we talk about the kinds of

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policies that need to be implemented, I'm just talking like

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policy nerd stuff. You know, write your position papers. We

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can reorient trade this way or that way. It is

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not possible to be done through Congress. It just can't

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be done because of the way it is structured. And

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this is something political scientists have been talking about for

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a very long time. Heck, when I was in college,

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there was a book I read called The Irony of Reform,

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which talked about how the kinds of good government reforms

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progressive I put in place have basically crippled Congress as

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an institution. And as somebody who's as an intern but

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to see a little bit about how the process works.

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None of these people read the bills. None of them

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know what's in it. None of them even sign the bills.

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or even the interns do that. The government itself is

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basically run by a bunch of twenty year old legislative

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aids who are telling them what to say. They're too

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busy running around being on TV and trying to raise money.

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they have too many things that they're trying to do

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in order to keep themselves in the press as opposed

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to legislating. The whole system is impossible of any kind

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of coherent governing agenda. And so what you have now

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is President Trump essentially trying to govern by decree, and

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the judiciary is stepping in saying, well, you're not allowed

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to do that. But when you actually look at the

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legal reasoning in a lot of these cases, they're just

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making it up. And they've been doing that basically since

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the war in court, but nobody's ever called them out

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on it. Now we're seeing people actually call them out

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on it. The things you talk to me about when

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you said, hey, do you want to come on? You said, well,

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what are you what's your feeling on the first hundred

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days of Trump? You know, basically, are you happy or not?

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I'm extraordinarily happy. But part of that is because my

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expectations were very low, I mean, especially after the first term,

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and because I'm old and bitter, just don't I don't

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expect very much from the political process. But I'm also realistic.

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I don't think that there's a better alternative. I don't

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think that if we all just stay home, you know,

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we're going to get some right wing authoritarian rising to

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glory in eight years, any more than not voting led

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the Libertarians to come to power, you know, because you

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refuse your consent to the system or whatever else. I

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think Trump is the best we can expect for a

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very long time. And what is the value of Trump.

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He's forcing every single one of these institutions and now

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we're on the judiciary to completely shred its legitimacy. However

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this ends up, and I think you're right. If the

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left regains power, there are going to come for all

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of us. They are going to come for you, regardless

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of what you think about Trump. If you're right of center,

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you may be looking at real persecution, losing your bank account,

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losing your job, losing losing your freedom, and going to

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jail over some invented things. Look at what was done

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to v there with Letitia James. And of course Letitia

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James is only being held accountable somewhat now because of

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Trump won all that's coming for every single one of us,

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and we're willing to resist it in a way that

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just wouldn't have been possible ten years ago. I mean,

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the very fact that Trump was elected not despite his

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support for the j six prisoners, but partially because of it,

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I think is eloquid testimony to that.

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Speaker 1: So I think there's three elite groups around Trump vying

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for power. Obviously, the Israel lobbies always there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the number one threat right there too.

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Speaker 1: Right yeah, I mean, don't get me started over.

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the Wall Street and strangely the Federal Reserve, you know,

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because Jerome Powell private equity pal. I mean, he's basically

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been working for Wall Street for since he got into, uh,

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since he got into the Federal Reserve. And then you

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have the tech elites. Who's do you see the tech

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elites or being any kind of real the tech elites

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and Wall Street being any kind of real push or

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any kind of you know, if you have competing factions

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and one gets to win here, one gets to win there,

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it's a lot better than if one is just dominated.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think what's interesting is right now Trump has

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staked his entire presidency on the thing that is clearly

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most important to him, one thing he's been consistent on

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for about forty years. But it's also something that none

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of the constituencies you just mentioned darn favor of, and

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that of course is tariffs and this trade policy, and

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a lot of people on our side even are freaking

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out about it because it's a huge gamble. I mean,

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it is going to cause economic disruption at best, at

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worst massive damage. We're probably going to start seeing a

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supply crunch and some issues with trucking and some other

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stuff in the next coming days. And I don't think

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any of those people support that. Certainly not Wall Street,

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certainly not the Israel lobby. I mean, right off the bat,

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Yahoo had to come to him to basically try to

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negotiate and get them removed. And I still don't think

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he removes everything. So, I mean, none of those guys

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are clearly calling the shots as far as everything. As

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far as who has the upper hand most of all,

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the most powerful. But that's because what they want is

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chiefly a negative agenda, going to tax unrealized gains. We're

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not going to raise taxes on the wealthy. I mean,

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and that'll be the way. Maybe he can get them

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on board with tariffs. We're going to try to get

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trade deals that will allow us to compete better in

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foreign markets. Maybe that's the way he can sell them

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on some of this stuff. I mean, as far as

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the tech bros go, look, Zuckerberg's heart has never really

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been in it as far as I can tell. Censorship

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on Facebook and all the other things he controls hasn't

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changed all that much. Same with YouTube. I mean, as

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far as Elon Musk goes, he clearly seems to be

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on the outs as far as the administration goes, and

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he's not very popular anymore so if he ever was,

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Musk is an opponent of some of the tariff policies

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that Trump's trying to do. I mean, as far as

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Zionist go, and as far as the foreign policy lobby

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and the neocons go, I think there's more reason for

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optimism on that than there was in his first turn.

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a lot of the people that we would have expected.

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I think Trump does not want to let Iran get

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a nuclear weapon, but then again, really, no American administration

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of the last certainly my entire lifetime, would have been

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on board with it. And that doesn't necessarily mean that

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he personally would order American forces to do anything about it.

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way if Israel decides to take it out themselves. But

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there is going to be an effort at negotiation for

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that first, which frankly is probably more than we could

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expect if any other Republican would have won.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing you said about having about the people

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around him, especially when it comes to foreign policy, it

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definitely the do you think the signal leaks were done purposely.

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It almost seems like it's you can make the argument

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for or against, and I think that I come down

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the middle. It come down in the middle on it.

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The one thing the signal the League's told me was

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that none of these people fear God, none of these

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people have a conscience at all, and they're willing to

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drop that. They're willing to do exactly what Israel will do,

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drop a building full of people in order to get

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one person. And I mean, it's just depressing just to

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see that and see all these quote unquote Christians in

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there celebrating that.

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Speaker 2: What do you think of the reporting indicator? And again,

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how much of this reporting could we even trust? That

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it was Vance and the Secretary of Defense who were

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pushing back on the idea of America striking a rain

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right away. I found that pretty interesting, not that surprising,

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because Vance strikes me as somebody who's a little suspicious

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of any long term foreign intervention. As far as willing

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to kill people, I mean, I think to get to

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that level, it almost requires us a ruthlessness. You're just

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going to get in one hundred percent of the people. Yeah,

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there's a reason I think become president. Yeah, well, I

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think Vance Vance and Haig Seth. I think they have enough. Definitely,

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Vance has enough. Inspiration, is taking enough, It is listening

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enough to that section of the tech elite that are

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saying that China is our number one enemy. And I mean,

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at this point, I can't disagree they once you really

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start digging into China and what they do and how

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they do it, and the fact that they're they're basically

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destroying all of the ecology off of the western coast

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of South America right now, which is fish with overfishing.

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I mean, they have no conscience whatsoever. It is a

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civilization threat, and it's Yeah, this kind of gets us

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to it, I think is the main thing. And you

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and I are both thought about these issues, and it's

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really the issue for our entire movement. It's the one

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thing that we kind of just have to have out.

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And I'm not sure there is a correct answer, which

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is are our interests tied to the interests of this

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entity called the United States of America, Because clearly as

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it exists now, not like the American nation as an ideal,

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not what America could have been, not what America once was.

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But the thing we're in now. The thing that is

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going to be, barring mass deportations, and that's a separate issue,

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is going to be majority non white within our lifetimes,

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and that's going to change everything. If we are looking

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at it from an American point of view, from sort

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of a civic nationalist point of view, Clearly China is

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the main threat economically, possibly militarily, in terms of the

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global order, in terms of this whole system that we've

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set up. From the point of view of an American

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living in this country, of a white American living in

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this country, what I'm most afraid of is what you

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talked about earlier. The Democrats come back and for years

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and start doing all these terrible things. I mean, China

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hasn't done those things to me, but Democratic officials have.

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And so that raises a certain question about who is

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it that I really should be worried about, and who

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is my political enemy. From a geopolitical point of view,

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the Trump administration is in a weird place because there

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are clearly factions of their base that are already thinking

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in terms of weird And you would see these flags

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all over when you would drive around rural America. Take

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Back America, you know, very vulgar terms about Joe Biden,

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Kamala Harris, you know this idea that it was.

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Speaker 1: I live in rural Alabama, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I mean, it's it's basically like it

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was basically like an uprising against an occupation government. I

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heard people and this is that Trump rallies, these are

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normally Republicans explicitly talk about it in these terms that

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we're expelling a trader, that we're going to do this,

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that we're going to do that. So you have that,

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but then also Trump has to manage the American empire,

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the existing American empire effectively, so he doesn't disrupt everything

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too much. Can you do both those things at once?

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I don't know. And where does that leave us for

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people who who are talking about politics, who are interested

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in what it is to be American now as opposed

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to what it was when the founders created this country.

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Because we're simultaneously the super patriots and also the exiles.

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We're simultaneously the people who want the American flag to

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conquer New Lands and also the people who might want

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to break up the whole thing, and there's not really

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a consensus. I think about how we go forward. What

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I've come to believe is that there's not going to

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be a consensus one way or the other until we

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see how it plays out with Trump, and Trump is

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our best shot right now.

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Speaker 1: I think what you're seeing, and you know Thomas seven

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seven seven has been talking about this, even Jared I

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remember him talking at the last conference about this is

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I think you're going to see people of like mind,

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either organically or intentionally, going and living, living near each

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other and basically collectivizing. I mean, I know I'm not

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going to dox you, but I know where you live,

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and I know that there you're surrounded by our people.

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A bunch of our people are.

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Speaker 2: I mean people are where no where I live. I

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live in Lynchburg, Virginia. Everone knows I live round If

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people want to get if people want to get me,

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I mean I got another house too, But like, if

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people want to get me, they're going to get me.

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And if people want to know who I am and

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like where I've been, I mean all that I've had

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so much my stupid private life like thrown out in

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the media for years and half of it's not even true.

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But it doesn't matter. At a certain point, I think

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one of the big things that's changed is that when

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I was starting out in this kind of stuff, when

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I would write stuff, you were taking ideas to their

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logical conclusion and maybe being militant because in some sense,

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there was no consequence to any of this. You were

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just sort of following the ideas where it would lead you.

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But now there are real consequences because people are actually

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paying attention and there is a responsibility to actually organize

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and win because the stakes are there. I think what's

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weird about the movement maybe in twenty ten as opposed

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to now, is you could say the most extreme stuff

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in twenty ten, and yet the idea that you would

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be censored, the idea that even like Google would censor

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you was just crazy, like, oh, that'll never happen. Nobody

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thought that. Nobody accept the most like extreme people. And

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guess what, those extreme people were right about what was coming.

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But at the same time, even though we face real,

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no kidding, repression, and certainly our European comrades face it

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a lot more than we do, at the same time,

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we also have a mass base, which is something we

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didn't have before. And if you ask me, what's the

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explanation for that, I really don't have one other than

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Donald Trump. We would not be here without him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've gotten to the point where I'm pretty much decided.

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I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that there's

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gonna be targeted violence in the future.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I think, yeah, Luigi whatever, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people can figure out where I live and if it. Yeah,

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I used to be like one of these people when

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I first started doing this, where it was like, well,

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I'm gonna use a fake name and I'm gonna do

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I'm gonna do everything I can do this and anything.

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And now I'm at the point, like I mean, it's

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if you once you decide to become a partisan, you

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pretty to put a yeah, put a put a bull's

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eye on your back.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, just don't just know what you're getting into.

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For any of the younger guys out there, you know,

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make your choice and stick to it. But if if

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you're going for a real job in the administration or

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something like that, then don't be stupid. There are things

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possible twenty years ago as far as kind of leading

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a dual life the way a lot of us did

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working in mainstream politics and extreme politics at the same time,

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that's just not an option anymore.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think you know this. I mean, I

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try not to talk about it because the more light

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you put on it. But I'm sure you know, you

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know our guys who are working in the administration. Oh,

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there's a lot of them. People would be shocked to

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know how many there are, and in some of the

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places that they actually are, it's crazy. All right, Well,

478
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:29,119
we got to talk about this immigration.

479
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: Well, there are a couple big things going on right now.

480
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First of all, the legal battle is going to be

481
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,319
it's going to determine everything because obviously the best thing

482
00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:42,880
to do is for Trump to actually win. He has

483
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,559
this authority to get rid of these people. The fact

484
00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:47,559
that they're even trying to fight him on this is insane.

485
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,160
It's not true that he's got fewer deportations than Biden.

486
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,519
I think there's a big sleight of hand here where

487
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:58,480
basically the people that they would let into the country

488
00:26:58,519 --> 00:27:02,519
and then deport later these his deportations. What Trump has

489
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:05,240
done within he did it within the first week. Forget

490
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,400
at the first one hundred days. He shut down the border.

491
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,880
As far as illegal immigration coming in. I mean, it's

492
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,000
just not a thing at the southern border anymore. I

493
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,599
think they said what three people got in? I mean

494
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,119
that alone. Remember that was what the Biden administration was saying,

495
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,920
we need new legislation to stop. We cannot secure this

496
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,880
border without new legislation. And remember it was a lot

497
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,440
of Republicans like that idiot senator from Oklahoma Langford who said, yep,

498
00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:32,960
this is what we have to do, and it was

499
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,680
Trump who shut it down. He's proven himself entirely correct

500
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,400
on that one, and no one's giving him any credit

501
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,960
for it. What he's doing now is he's going after

502
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,960
some of the hardest cases and the Democrats the hardest cases,

503
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:46,720
meaning the hardest cases for the Democrats to defend the

504
00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:49,039
gang members and all the rest of it, and they're

505
00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:52,200
going to the mat for them. And what's remarkable is

506
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,519
that the media, having learned nothing, is repeating these kinds

507
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:57,799
of narratives. So we are going to have it out

508
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,759
over the best battleground we could poss stably have it out.

509
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:04,000
I think if we didn't move into the tariff territory,

510
00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:07,039
which is I think more politically problematic. But that's like

511
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,400
saying if only Trump wasn't Trump, I mean he was

512
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,000
always going to do that. I think we'd be in

513
00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:16,839
a pretty good position. On immigration. The deportation mechanism, I

514
00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:19,799
think is still getting up and running. They need more funding,

515
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,960
they need a lot of things to really get this

516
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,119
to where it needs to go, But clearly things are

517
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:29,079
moving in the right direction. All that said, what we're

518
00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:33,119
talking about to keep America America, we basically need to

519
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,880
get rid of like twenty million people, and probably if

520
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,480
we're serious, we need to strip citizenship from a lot

521
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,920
of anchor babies and send them back to And to

522
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,519
be blunt, I think the second thing is certainly not

523
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:49,319
going to happen in this administration, and the first thing

524
00:28:50,079 --> 00:28:53,200
unless he wins US unless I almost said unless he

525
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,559
wins another term. Although he is selling the Trump twenty

526
00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:59,400
twenty eight heads. Unless they somehow keep control of the

527
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,039
White House for a very long time, I don't know

528
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,400
how they can achieve that level of deportations unless they

529
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,160
do a lot more to drive self deportation. And at

530
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,680
the top of that list is remittance taxes and going

531
00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:16,559
after the employers, and we are not seeing them go

532
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,279
after employers. That is the number one thing they could

533
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:21,160
be doing. And furthermore, you could have a lot of

534
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,759
fun with guys like Bernie Sanders, who said for decades

535
00:29:24,039 --> 00:29:26,119
that this is the thing the government needs to be doing.

536
00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:31,240
I don't want to see Ms thirteen gangsters in handcuffs

537
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:33,599
so much as I want to see meat packing plant

538
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,279
CEOs and handcuffs. Because if you want to actually make

539
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:38,599
a difference, and this is a numbers game, you have

540
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,079
to dry up that magnet. You just have to break

541
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:43,559
the backs of the people who hire these people, and

542
00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:47,799
they'll stop coming or they'll leave. Yeah.

543
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:50,279
Speaker 1: I have a friend who he's already done, the mayor

544
00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:54,559
Kulpa on this, but from California, and he defended a

545
00:29:54,599 --> 00:30:02,240
bunch of like the employers who were employee employing illegals.

546
00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:04,960
So he knows the inside outs of this system. And

547
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,759
he said, really, he goes it's regulations. He said, that's

548
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:13,200
what Obama did. Obama just got some regulations put through

549
00:30:13,559 --> 00:30:18,839
so it was legal for them and it actually encourage

550
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,759
them to hire illegals. He said, all you need is

551
00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:25,319
regulations in the other direction. And I'm not against at

552
00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:29,599
this point, like you know one, yeah, the first first offense,

553
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,480
you know, I mean a heavy fine. I'm talking about

554
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,759
millions of dollars. Second offense, we auction off your we

555
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:38,039
option off your company. We just take it and we

556
00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:39,720
option off your company. I mean, that's the only thing

557
00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:43,920
that's going to stop these people. People have to understand Walmart,

558
00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:49,400
these these companies, even the smallest companies, they love immigration

559
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:55,119
because it increases their customer base. They love they love entitlements.

560
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:57,640
The more money that's printed, the more money that's given

561
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,599
to them, is the more money that makes its way

562
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,960
to them. The companies are not our friends. I'm sorry

563
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:08,240
if I sound like a socialist. Businesses are not our friends.

564
00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:10,920
If this is capitalism, fuck capitalism.

565
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: You cannot have the merchant fundamentally running society. It's that simple.

566
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,920
I mean, this is traditionalism one on one. I mean,

567
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,559
once you have the driving force of a society being money,

568
00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:24,200
you don't have a society anymore. Because at the end

569
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,119
of the day, what you are going to do is

570
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,559
you're going to champion a system that takes money from

571
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,640
the public and puts it into private interests. And you're

572
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,480
going to get a lot of useful idiots who call

573
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,759
themselves libertarians, who are not libertarians, calling this the free

574
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:41,039
market when it is anything but the free market. We

575
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:43,359
don't even need to have the capitalism debate, because whatever

576
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:45,359
this is right now, it's just organized theft. It has

577
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,519
nothing to do with the free market. But I think

578
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:52,039
the scope of the problem is so much deeper than

579
00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:54,519
anybody knows. I mean a lot of people might now

580
00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:56,200
know this. I work in the trades for a little while,

581
00:31:56,599 --> 00:31:59,400
and when you go to these let's say it's like

582
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,319
a Walmart. You're working at night, that kind of thing,

583
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:03,960
and you're surrounded by construction workers or whatever else. I mean,

584
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,640
you're dealing with one hundred percent Spanish speakers, one hundred percent.

585
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,799
I mean, some trades are still ninety nine percent white,

586
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,160
but for something like construction, there are no white people anymore.

587
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,559
It's just not a thing. And is it really possible

588
00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:23,119
that every single one of these people who are working

589
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:27,319
in this are citizens? Is it really possible that hundreds

590
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:29,680
and hundreds and hundreds of workers all working for this

591
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:33,160
place and none of them speak English. Not just they

592
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,160
won't talk to you. I mean I knew enough Spanish

593
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,680
to kind of get by and figure out what they

594
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,480
were saying, but the higher ups asked to talk to them,

595
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,319
and they can't understand any of it. Is it really

596
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:46,160
possible that none of these people speak any English after

597
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:49,640
doing this job for presumably years. I don't think so.

598
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,240
I think that the illegal immigration problem is it's not

599
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,359
twelve million. I don't think it's fifteen million. Frankly, if

600
00:32:56,359 --> 00:32:59,440
it was thirty million, or above thirty million, that wouldn't

601
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,680
surprise me. And to say that Trump is not delivering

602
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,200
a nass deportations, even though that's true to some extent,

603
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:13,079
although I think he's doing, he's setting up the groundwork

604
00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:15,079
that you're going to need to do if you're serious

605
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:18,799
about this thing. What it's going to require, if you're

606
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:22,680
trying to literally grab people and send them out by force,

607
00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:26,119
I mean, essentially, it's going to require a military operation

608
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,519
as great as World War Two. It's not feasible unless

609
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:34,079
it's accompanied with punishing the people who have created the

610
00:33:34,119 --> 00:33:37,640
magnet that created this problem in the first place. And furthermore, frankly,

611
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,480
to get Americans on board. I think that what they

612
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,119
were going to do with Dose should have been done

613
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,119
where he gave everybody a rebate, we start confiscating some

614
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,000
of these ill gone gains. Frankly, I think Americans should

615
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,279
get a share of that. That's one way to get

616
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:52,480
Americans on board. I mean, we're in this mess because

617
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:56,039
American tax payer money goes to private interests and NGOs

618
00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:59,519
and places like that, and so they're committed to this. Well,

619
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,119
Americans start getting a share in this, then they'll be

620
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:04,200
committed to a program of national reclamation.

621
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: Do you take Eric Prince seriously when he says he

622
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,199
can you give me this amount of money and I

623
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:11,679
can do this?

624
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 2: I think if anybody could do it would probably be him.

625
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:18,800
I think most of the problems that we have in

626
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,800
this country could be solved very quickly if we had

627
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,880
people with sufficient will. The problem is, I don't think

628
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,679
it's a question of money so much as breaking through

629
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,079
a lot of the institutions, number one being the courts,

630
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,320
and that's what's being fought over right now. President Trump

631
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,639
is going to be forced, I think, into a historic

632
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,119
choice because I don't think the courts are going to

633
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,679
let him deport these people, and he's going to have

634
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,800
to defy them. I don't think they would have allowed

635
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,920
Eisenhower to do what he did, which, of course at

636
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,239
the time, everybody took totally for granted that he's allowed

637
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,880
to do it. I wrote for Vedare for a very

638
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,280
long time. If you look at immigration law, if you

639
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,880
look at the actual laws as they a written, the

640
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,480
president has almost unlimited power to get rid of foreigners

641
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,400
in this country. There's no legal dispute to be had.

642
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,599
This could be done tomorrow, But right now you are

643
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:13,880
going to be facing not only all these random federal

644
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,039
judges and probably the Supreme Court, but you're also dealing

645
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:20,800
with these states and these localities that are essentially in

646
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,320
a minor form of insurrection because they're saying, we are

647
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,000
not going to allow you to get rid of these foreigners.

648
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,679
And you have to ask yourself, given that he's present

649
00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:31,719
and he's dealing with all these other issues, how far

650
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,840
are you willing to take this, Because however far you

651
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,519
think it's going to be, it's going to be farther

652
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,000
if we actually want to solve this problem. And I

653
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,079
think what we're running into now. Before every revolution, there's

654
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:49,679
always a period where people see the problems, they know

655
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,880
there have to be major reforms, they know that the

656
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,760
structure can't operate much longer, and they say, hey, we

657
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,559
get to change these things or the whole thing's going

658
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:59,159
to fall apart. And the people who are benefiting from

659
00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:01,599
the way things are so no, no, no, you can't

660
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:04,039
do that. And usually what they do is they cloak

661
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:07,320
themselves in the language of traditional liberties and privileges and

662
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,440
constitutions and the way things have always been done. That's

663
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,000
what happened to the aristocracy in France before the revolution.

664
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,840
Of course, it didn't do him any good in the

665
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,760
long run. And I think we're dealing with the same

666
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,840
sort of issue here. These NGOs, these corporations, all the

667
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,559
people who benefit from this program of unlimited cheap labor,

668
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:27,519
all the people who benefit from DEI. There's no circumstance

669
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:31,000
where they're going to allow you to reform their lives,

670
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,320
their meaning, the purpose of their lives, more than just

671
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:38,559
their livelihoods out of existence. So if Trump can't do it,

672
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,440
and I think it's too early to throw in the

673
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,760
towel on that, but obviously he's facing ferocious resistance, but

674
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,079
I think he is fighting hard. If he can't do that,

675
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,280
what next, Because the answer can't just be the people

676
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,719
are going to rise up, or that the system is

677
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,679
going to collapse, or that we automatically win. Because I'm

678
00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:00,559
more ideologically extreme than Trump is, I don't think any

679
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:02,519
of those things are going to happen. I think we're

680
00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:05,199
going to face some very difficult ideological choices, and we're

681
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:08,320
going to face an even more difficult organizing struggle.

682
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,079
Speaker 1: Well, I think that like say the Democrats take over

683
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,280
the House and the Senate in the midterms, and they

684
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,039
somehow get somebody, you know, the voting machines get turned

685
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:26,159
back on again, and they get someone in in twenty

686
00:37:26,199 --> 00:37:32,039
twenty eight. I think it can be so bad that

687
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:37,960
finally some of these quote unquote patriots wake up and realize,

688
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:40,599
you know, we have to have some kind of separation,

689
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,360
and you have to treat Washington, DC, treat the federal

690
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,400
government like your under occupation, and you know, use federalism

691
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,239
in whatever way, shape or form to try to reconstitute something.

692
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,880
But if the right keeps, say, say they gain the

693
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,559
Republicans gain seats in the House in the Senate in

694
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:05,119
the midterms, and JD. Vance gets elected in twenty twenty eight,

695
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,960
I don't think these I don't think the people on

696
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,280
the left are going to have the same idea. Well,

697
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,519
you know, maybe California should separate, and maybe you should. No,

698
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:15,280
I think it's just going to be out and out violence.

699
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,719
I think it's going to be the streets. You will

700
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,760
not want to be near a city. And I'm not

701
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,000
talking about big cities. I'm talking about cities.

702
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: I think maybe this is too pessimistic, and I'd like

703
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,760
to hear what you think and what other people think too.

704
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,800
I don't think the right is capable of doing any

705
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,039
kind of serious political action in the sense of totally

706
00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:44,440
defeating the left unless we control the system to some extent.

707
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:47,239
We're just not wired for it. The way the left

708
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,760
has reacted since President Trump's election, that would not have

709
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,239
happened had Harris one. You would not see big protests,

710
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,639
you would not see people gearing up. Really, the only

711
00:38:57,679 --> 00:38:59,679
thing that allowed Trump to win is the fact that

712
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:02,840
every buddy, who had very different ideas, they all had

713
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,800
one focus on this, and this was Trump, and you

714
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,559
had people with mutually incomprehensible ideology supporting him as a

715
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:11,320
savior figure, and that was able to work for him.

716
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,679
But I don't think the right is capable in the

717
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:19,440
same way that say, the Antebellum South was capable in

718
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:23,199
having a coherent block, with a coherent governing class and

719
00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:27,679
a counter ideology that would justify separation from the United States.

720
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:30,559
I think you would just see a lot of bizarre

721
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:35,119
conspiracy theories and local flare ups here and there that

722
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:39,000
wouldn't really go anywhere because there's only one left. But

723
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:42,360
there are lots of different rights, and the rights don't

724
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,159
tend to get along, and if you're the left, the

725
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:46,440
way you crush them is you make sure that there's

726
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,039
nowhere to go to get away from everything. In terms

727
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:51,239
of mass immigration, I mean, why not And we saw

728
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,599
this under Obama, and we saw this under Biden. Why

729
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:55,880
not just make sure that lots of new immigrants are

730
00:39:56,119 --> 00:40:00,280
revitalizing Appalachia in West Virginia. Why make sure, just make

731
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,119
sure they're going to Idaho, make sure they're going to

732
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,400
what areas of Red Texas still remain where there's nowhere

733
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,280
to escape. You're already seeing this in England, where they're

734
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,519
targeting a lot of the kind of reform areas with

735
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:18,320
new settlements of Southeastern immigrants, Southeastern Asian immigration. And I

736
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,960
just maybe this, maybe I'm too pessimistic, maybe I'm just

737
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:28,760
too bitter, or maybe just too old, but I doubt

738
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,559
the capability of the American right to develop a true

739
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:35,519
anti system alternative. I think that the only way we

740
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:38,719
get anywhere is that we have the system, the left overreacts,

741
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,159
which it tends to do, and then the right is

742
00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:43,440
the one which gets to bring the hammer down. And

743
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,239
that's the only way this is going to work. I

744
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,440
would like to be proven wrong, but I think we'd

745
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,280
see more signs of it. And frankly, the only real

746
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,639
counter revolution that we've seen over the last ten years

747
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,440
has basically been funneled through Trump. And I don't think

748
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,159
he's a safety valve. I think if it weren't for him,

749
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:05,880
we just wouldn't be seeing anything substantial happening. I mean,

750
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,079
what are we going to do, go back to the

751
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:08,159
tea party or something.

752
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,079
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the thing is, and I'm not calling for

753
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:18,159
this anyone who's listening, revolutionary violence on the right always

754
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,760
has to be pushed to the point where they just

755
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,320
can't stop. They can't help it anymore. Like Spain in

756
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,360
nineteen thirty six. That's the only way.

757
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even Spain you had it wasn't Spain is?

758
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,519
I agree? The best thing to look at is in

759
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:35,360
terms of where we might be is Spain. I mean,

760
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,960
Spain is about as pure a right versus left fight

761
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,719
as it ever existed. But the big difference between Spain

762
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,760
and the situation now is. In Spain, you had a

763
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,039
lot of institutions that were still totally or not totally

764
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:53,320
but overwhelmingly on the right, traditional institutions, above all the

765
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:58,159
army and above all the foreign legion in North Africa,

766
00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:01,480
and then the owners that they were able to bring in.

767
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,920
I mean, the Moroccans were a key to that initial

768
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,440
wave of tax I mean it was a failed coup originally,

769
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,880
which then became a civil war, but it was a

770
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,039
coup that wasn't launched without support from some of the

771
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:19,920
organs of state and the left. One of the big

772
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,440
things that really crippled them in the early going was

773
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,320
they were reluctant to arm the anarchists, and they were

774
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,719
reluctant to arm the left wing forces that probably could

775
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,760
have crushed the right wing uprising, but weren't necessarily allied

776
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,360
to the republican state smaller republican state. And I don't

777
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,199
think the left now is that conservative or that cowardly.

778
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,159
I think they we saw in twenty twenty. They have

779
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:49,000
no problem giving cover to revolutionary forces. They have no

780
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:51,719
problem turning the other way when certain acts of violence

781
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,679
take place, and there are no institutions on a national

782
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,239
level in the United States that we can say are

783
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,280
comfortably on the right. I mean, certainly before Trump, I

784
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,840
think a lot of people would assume that would have

785
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,079
been true of the military. I mean, does anybody believe that? Now?

786
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,840
Does anybody believe, like Alliver Stone sort of conspiracy theory

787
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,400
is that the CIA is actually a super right wing

788
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,960
secret government that just can't wait to return America to

789
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:20,840
right wing authoritarianism. Now, of course not. We've seen all

790
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,400
these CIA girl bosses running for Congress, and they're all

791
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,599
left wing beyond belief. I mean, what one institution is

792
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:29,199
on our side, even the Catholic Church, even the churches.

793
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:31,880
I mean, we can't even say or I wouldn't even

794
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,800
call him right of center. I mean, you want to

795
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,800
talk about who's importing the illegal immigrants and who's profiting

796
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,760
from it, the religious charities above all. I mean that

797
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,320
may be George W. Bush's greatest impact on American history

798
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:46,480
was funding these religious groups to do quote unquote charity.

799
00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:51,519
So unfortunately, the only way we were actually able to

800
00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:54,320
get any kind of state power is basically by electing

801
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,039
some crazy guy president twice. And that's where we're at now.

802
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:00,519
But I mean, the one thing that we do have

803
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,599
which we didn't have fifteen years ago, is I mean,

804
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:07,679
you have a label, You have an organized something you

805
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:10,840
can organize around, You have people and parties. You have

806
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,480
a rebirth of a lot of these kind of conservative

807
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,320
groups that are no longer willing to aggressively gatekeep the

808
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,159
way they did fifteen years ago, which was basically the

809
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:23,840
story of my life when you're young and trying to

810
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,400
organize within the conservative movement and you're constantly being gate kept.

811
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,559
That gatekeeping has failed utterly. Trump broke it. And I

812
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:34,159
think Trump has opened up the way for what comes next,

813
00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:37,119
but what ultimately needs to come next. And I hate

814
00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:40,000
to say this because it just sounds so cheap, but

815
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:42,480
I've been thinking about this for a very long time,

816
00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:45,199
and I really do think it is a simple. You're

817
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,480
going to need another charismic personality to come along and

818
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,199
get elected to something and rally a movement that way.

819
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:53,519
I think that the only way the Right can really

820
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,519
collectively have a push forward is it's going to be

821
00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:01,400
around personality, not ideology, because I just don't think the

822
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,480
American Right is capable of uniting around an ideological program

823
00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:08,440
right now. Aside maybe from the idea of national reclamation.

824
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,400
And even if we did that, the libertarians and the

825
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:14,719
normy conservatives would probably be at our throats when it

826
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,000
comes to doing what needs to be done, just getting

827
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:18,599
rid of these illegals.

828
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:23,119
Speaker 1: Well, I think, yeah, that's when you say that I

829
00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:24,000
agree with a lot.

830
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,559
Speaker 2: Of that amotistic I guess that's the question.

831
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:33,039
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, you're the civic, the civic national

832
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:35,880
you know. And I'll say this, and it's a bizarretive

833
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:43,920
religion is so ingrained in normy conservatives. And then you

834
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,519
have you know, I mean you have on the right

835
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:53,360
now because they've migrated to the right because of because

836
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:58,639
immigration threatens them. Is so many Zionists. You have all

837
00:45:58,679 --> 00:46:00,800
of these Zionists who have I'm right wing.

838
00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: That's arguably true of like the neo conservatives as far

839
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,400
back as the safeties. I mean that was the original

840
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,119
migration right. I mean, you had all these guys who

841
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,400
supported the civil rights movement and supported a lot of

842
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,639
these radical movements, and then it started coming for them

843
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:19,239
and they said, oh wait, that's where Podhortz and Crystal

844
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,239
and a lot of these guys. Frankly, the original generation

845
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,519
of neo Conservatives was more impressive in a lot of

846
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:26,679
ways than the current generation. At least those guys had

847
00:46:26,679 --> 00:46:28,400
something to say once in a while, whereas the ones

848
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,920
now are just pure hacks. And I think that the

849
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,119
real danger with the neo conservatives now, or you know,

850
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:42,880
the Zionism above everything else type quote unquote conservatives is

851
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,280
at some of them, I think they even know America

852
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,239
and its current trajectory is going down, but they want

853
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,079
to use this last opportunity to get us involved in

854
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:57,920
one last stupid war to achieve certain geopolitical objectives. And

855
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,599
it's just a question of not letting them do that.

856
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:06,039
If you look at the polls over the next twenty years,

857
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:10,880
I mean, it's going to become basically completely untenable to

858
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,199
be pro Israel and a Democrat. Certainly, I think something

859
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,199
like eighty percent of the young Democratic base is anti Israel.

860
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,599
The danger, of course, is then you end up with

861
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,519
the situation in the United Kingdom where basically the Labor

862
00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:27,039
Party is moving into the pro Palestindian Party and the

863
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:29,639
Tories are going to be the pro Israel Party, and

864
00:47:29,679 --> 00:47:33,159
that will create I mean, arguably we're already there, and

865
00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:35,679
then you'll end up having to do all these stupid

866
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,280
fights over that stupid desert instead of what we need

867
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,719
to do here. But really, as far as Zionism goes,

868
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,719
especially if we define it in terms of foreign policy,

869
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,039
it's just it's very simple. We just can't let them

870
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:51,000
drag us into another war, because if that happens, that

871
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:54,639
becomes the entire story of the Trump movement, not just

872
00:47:54,679 --> 00:47:57,480
of this administration, but everything you ever did. Just like

873
00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:00,960
George W. Bush when he got reelected, it was to

874
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,400
stop gay marriage, it was to stop a lot of

875
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,960
these things that a lot of Republican voters at the

876
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,440
time were really upset about. He had all these domestic

877
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,159
plans and everything else. But if you ask anyone what

878
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,440
was George W. Bush all about, it was the Iraq War.

879
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:16,039
And there was nothing else he did that was of

880
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:19,239
any real importance. And if Trump gets dragged into a

881
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,719
middlea some war, then that's all he was going to

882
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,440
be about. But at the same time, I think that

883
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:28,039
he's shown more resistance than just about any other Republican

884
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:29,360
would have at this point. I mean, one of the

885
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,960
things we got to talk about in terms of the

886
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,880
factions fighting over the Trump administration, one we always seem

887
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,400
to overlook is Trump himself. I mean, that's one of

888
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,199
the reasons I think so many people voted for him.

889
00:48:39,199 --> 00:48:42,679
We're not voting for a front man. We're voting for

890
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,920
a guy who is the closest thing America has to

891
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:52,480
a sovereign and Trump, maybe because he's egotistical and self centered,

892
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:58,119
actually takes responsibility for his choices precisely because he wants

893
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:03,039
to have the credit for doing big things. And I

894
00:49:03,039 --> 00:49:05,400
don't know, I guess at some level it comes down

895
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,119
to do you have faith enough in Trump to resist

896
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:10,199
getting us involved in one of these things. I mean,

897
00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:13,719
he did do it in the first time, aside from

898
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,079
a couple of missile strikes against Syria, if you gant.

899
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: That, and solemony and solemony.

900
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 2: I mean, can we reorient American foreign policy away from

901
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:30,320
being anti Iran? I mean, that's really going to be

902
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,360
the story of these negotiations over the nuclear plant. So

903
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:34,400
we'll see.

904
00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:37,679
Speaker 1: Anti Iran and anti Russia. There's no reason we see

905
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,000
at odds with Russia.

906
00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:41,639
Speaker 2: Well, that's obviously what he's trying to do now with

907
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,400
the some sort of a I mean, there's no there's

908
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,039
no ability to maneuver away from that. While the war

909
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:50,559
in Ukraine is going on, and obviously he's trying to

910
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:54,519
stop that. Now the question is, is Putin does that work

911
00:49:54,519 --> 00:49:57,000
the Putin's advantage ers he just determined to grind this

912
00:49:57,079 --> 00:49:59,800
thing out until they can secure control over those four regions,

913
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:01,639
or does he actually think he's going to take all

914
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:02,320
of Ukraine.

915
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: I hate to stay on the Zionist Jewish power thing,

916
00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:11,960
but these anti anti free speech laws that are getting.

917
00:50:12,039 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: Complete disgrace, there's no defending him. I mean, there's there's

918
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:20,880
an argument that I'll say this, all these guys who

919
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,519
are being deported, none of these guys should be in

920
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:30,360
the country. None of them are anti Zionism for the

921
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,760
correct reasons. You know, all these guys are all we

922
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,719
want to destroy Western civilization and we have a white supremacy, this,

923
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,320
that and the other thing. But that's not why they're

924
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,639
being deported. Like I would support it explicitly. If we're look,

925
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:47,519
this guy's anti white, he's a foreigner, he shouldn't be here.

926
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,480
We're deporting him. That that shouldn't even be controversial. I mean,

927
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:54,480
if you, I mean, let's let's ask this question. If

928
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:57,360
you had I don't know, somebody from Europe or Russia

929
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:58,960
or whatever who is the head of the neo Nazi

930
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,119
group and started saying how we need to destroy black

931
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:04,039
people in the United States or something like that. He's

932
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:06,280
a foreigner, he's there on a student visa, and the

933
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,800
Biden administration decided to deport him for that reason. Do

934
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,920
you think anybody would be raising a stink? Do you

935
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,360
think anybody would be upset about it? No? I mean,

936
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,920
I think that is something. I don't see why it's

937
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,679
so unthinkable to deport people for being anti white or

938
00:51:20,679 --> 00:51:24,239
anti American. But the reason they're deporting these people, it's

939
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,400
not even because they're anti Semitic. It's because they're anti

940
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,639
Israel specifically. So now you're setting up the precedent where

941
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:36,239
you're saying that it is because of their opinion about

942
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:40,360
a foreign country that we're going to kick these people out,

943
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,199
And we're not willing to kick these people out for

944
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:49,000
having the wrong opinion about our country. I understand the

945
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,960
I just want these people out by any means necessary.

946
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,719
I'm certainly not going to shed a tear for them,

947
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,039
But I mean I want these people out, probably way

948
00:51:58,039 --> 00:51:59,920
more than even the people in charge now and do.

949
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:05,800
But the rationale that they're using is frankly bizarre to

950
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,360
any normal American and I think they're handing away an

951
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:14,119
issue that politically doesn't get them anything, and it's also

952
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:20,360
just a terrible precedent to set. But I mean, this

953
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:25,079
particular fixation, it just comes down to obviously certain key donors.

954
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:29,320
This is something that they probably demanded in return for

955
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,519
the big donations. And there's no mass constituency for this.

956
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,719
But unfortunately politics is played at the elite level and

957
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,239
it's dictated from the top down, and that's where we are.

958
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,000
I mean, ultimately, what we have to have is we

959
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:44,199
have to have an explicitly pro white lobby in this

960
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,760
country if we want politicians to respond to us. But

961
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,000
we do not have that yet. That's really what American

962
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,159
renaissance is all about.

963
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,159
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought Qatar was taking over the colleges.

964
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well a Qatar. Obviously we're all in the

965
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:04,280
Katari payroll, so you know, I'm actually broadcasting from Dubai

966
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:04,760
right now.

967
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: That was one of the weirdest syops and there's still

968
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,960
people are still going with it. The whole look right

969
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:13,039
thing too, is.

970
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:18,679
Speaker 2: Just so stupid and it they're just bad at this.

971
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:23,960
This is what I don't understand is that, I mean,

972
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,119
this is a whole other can of worms. But when

973
00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:30,880
you look at the Douglas Murray interview and you look

974
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,599
at some of the arguments that of being trotted out now,

975
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:36,239
and you look at this gatekeeping effort being launched against

976
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:40,960
like Joe Rogan and people like that, and it's so

977
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,639
hamhanded and so clumsily done, and nobody believes it, and

978
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,960
they've just completely lost it. They've certainly lost the entire left.

979
00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:51,199
I mean, that's just gone and you're just never going

980
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,039
to see that again, and they don't even know why.

981
00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:57,119
And then in terms of the right, I mean, if

982
00:53:57,119 --> 00:54:00,440
you wanted to, Occasionally I'll see people on ours and

983
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,719
they'll say, like, look, the pro Israel lobby is trying

984
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:09,000
to couch its arguments in terms of a defense of

985
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,079
white identity or Western civilization or something like that, and

986
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:15,199
that's how they're going to trick people into getting involved

987
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,400
in the new midle Eastern War. I think that's giving

988
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,840
them too much credit. If you look at the kind

989
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,599
of arguments that they're raising now, it's like they've learned nothing.

990
00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:25,079
I mean, this is stuff that was dated twenty years ago.

991
00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:27,599
This is stuff that sounds familiar to the George W.

992
00:54:27,679 --> 00:54:32,119
Bush days, and I just don't see anybody going for it.

993
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:37,199
But it's almost like a zombie movie, zombie movement just

994
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,119
because there's so much money and institutional power behind it

995
00:54:40,119 --> 00:54:43,400
that they're just going forward with it. Unfortunately, if you

996
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,480
look at people in Congress for the GOP, those people

997
00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:51,519
seem to find it compelling. I mean, the quiet revolution

998
00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:54,840
that's undergoing with the GOP base regarding Middle Eastern policy

999
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,960
just seems to have no effect whatsoever on the people

1000
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,039
who are in office right now. None of them seem

1001
00:54:59,079 --> 00:54:59,840
to even notice it.

1002
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,519
Speaker 1: One of the other things that they're using is that

1003
00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:10,679
the factions, the whole Israel thing is going to cause

1004
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,800
factions on the right, and the right will never be

1005
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:17,119
able to be united. And you know what they don't

1006
00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:20,960
understand is is that as long as that is there,

1007
00:55:21,199 --> 00:55:24,159
as long as that Israeli influenced, as long as what

1008
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,000
Massey said, everyone has an a packet, you're not reuniting

1009
00:55:28,039 --> 00:55:31,239
the rights. The right is not going to be united.

1010
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,960
And and you know how you can tell the the

1011
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:36,920
right's not going to be united because Trump got elected.

1012
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:43,880
Trump is not a unifying force even within even within

1013
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:48,000
the Republican Party, he's not unifying. There are too many

1014
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:51,559
people who consider one thing the left can do is

1015
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:57,079
they can they can agree that power is what all

1016
00:55:57,119 --> 00:55:59,320
we want to do is have power, and then you

1017
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,239
can go over here and do your chopping dick soft thing,

1018
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,239
and you can go over here and do this or whatever.

1019
00:56:04,639 --> 00:56:07,079
Just give it. Just get us power, Just get us power.

1020
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,960
The right gets power and they don't know how to

1021
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:11,679
use it. They're afraid or.

1022
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,679
Speaker 2: I think they're not allowed to use it. I mean,

1023
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,199
that's the biggest thing, is the right treats. I mean,

1024
00:56:17,559 --> 00:56:20,800
for most of my life, the right has been defined

1025
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,199
as it is our job to oppose any use of

1026
00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:26,760
state power, and if we use state power, we're just

1027
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,119
as bad as the other side, which is really a

1028
00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:33,280
way of negating politics itself, because politics is power. Politics

1029
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,039
is the pursuit of power. Power is a constant. Sovereignty endures,

1030
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:40,800
It cannot be eradicated. Someone is going to use state power,

1031
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,840
and it's always a question of whether it is you

1032
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,079
or whether it is going to be used against you.

1033
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:47,920
You don't get to opt out unless you somehow flee

1034
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:53,039
the area of sovereignty. And regarding foreign policy, regarding Israel

1035
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:57,199
and regarding to those others issues. There's no version of

1036
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,280
the right, no coherent version of the right where you

1037
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,119
say a permanent alliance with a foreign country is core

1038
00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:07,159
to our worldview. But that is the absurd position the

1039
00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:10,679
mainstream conservative movement is in right now. And you certainly

1040
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,360
see and I can say this with utter certainty having

1041
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,519
worked in it for so long, for religious reasons, for

1042
00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:22,880
institutional support reasons. Maybe you could argue that there was

1043
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,800
once a legitimate reason for it with the Cold War,

1044
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,840
because it was sort of a Cold War ally in

1045
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,960
the Middle East, but that hasn't been true for a

1046
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:34,320
very long time, and if it ever was, there's no

1047
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,039
reason to be going to the mat on something like this,

1048
00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:40,880
And there's no way to explain people going to the

1049
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,719
mat on something like this other than they think either

1050
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:48,039
money or institutional power is on their side, and this

1051
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:50,000
is how you have to get it, that this is

1052
00:57:50,119 --> 00:57:52,360
just the price you have to pay. Now. I think

1053
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:53,840
that the left is going to have a lot more

1054
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:59,400
freedom to operate, especially as the Palestinian cause becomes more

1055
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:04,119
popular among the youth, and especially as America is increasingly

1056
00:58:04,159 --> 00:58:06,639
non white and a lot of the non whites in

1057
00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:10,679
America think of themselves almost as america as Palestinians. I

1058
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:13,159
remember the if you're familiar with the Attsalan movement and

1059
00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:16,079
the Chicano movement, they used to always this is like

1060
00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:19,719
decades ago, they would refer to themselves as America's Palestinians.

1061
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,400
This is the way that they would conceptualize what they

1062
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,119
were going through. Now, this is the way that the

1063
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:29,400
Palestinian flag, it may become sort of like the intersectional flag,

1064
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,239
the sort of pan leftist flag that can be used

1065
00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:35,440
by lots of different constituencies to communicate one message that

1066
00:58:35,519 --> 00:58:40,840
kind of makes sense. Whereas the right, there's not really

1067
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,480
a way you can have a we're defending Western liberal

1068
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:48,719
values chiefly done by Israel, and that's our front line

1069
00:58:48,719 --> 00:58:52,360
against militant Islam, but also we're importing millions of Muslims,

1070
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,920
and supporting Israel doesn't seem to do anything to stop it.

1071
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,679
I mean, the whole argument is so incoherent and just

1072
00:58:57,719 --> 00:58:59,760
falls on its face. I mean, the only thing that

1073
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,079
I'm ever I always pushed back at is that I

1074
00:59:03,159 --> 00:59:05,119
just don't think. I mean, support Palestine if you want,

1075
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:07,079
but none of these people are ever going to support you,

1076
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,719
on the causes that matter to us. I mean, I've

1077
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:15,400
never seen a pro white activist who supports Palestine. I've

1078
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,159
seen a lot of people try, like go to a

1079
00:59:17,199 --> 00:59:20,280
Palestinian demonstration and be met with anything other than violence.

1080
00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:26,960
So we do need to be honest about that. Sometimes

1081
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,559
the way the enemy isn't your friend, it's just another enemy.

1082
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, true, Or you just just watch from a distance

1083
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,840
as they fight your enemy and you don't say anything.

1084
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: But one thing I will say, and I remember, I

1085
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,760
think it was Nick Nifuentes who said this a year

1086
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,719
ago when it was all like really kicking off, and

1087
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,760
you said this about me, but it was more broadly

1088
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,199
a criticism the conservative movement. And I'm going to say

1089
00:59:52,199 --> 00:59:56,519
he's one hundred percent right. You can't say, well, I

1090
00:59:56,599 --> 00:59:59,719
just don't care about either one of them. When do

1091
00:59:59,719 --> 01:00:02,519
you United States of America is overwhelming and this was

1092
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:04,960
he was saying this when Biden was in office, is

1093
01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:08,440
overwhelmingly on one side, when the United States of America

1094
01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:11,440
is like, your taxes are supporting one side. And that's

1095
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,719
doubly true. Now, so, like you do have a stake

1096
01:00:14,719 --> 01:00:18,000
in these things. I wonder if there's going to be

1097
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:22,000
a point where, particularly if the Democrats take over, particularly

1098
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:24,159
depending on who gets elected, if you're going to see

1099
01:00:24,159 --> 01:00:28,719
America start weighing in on the other side, and we

1100
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,800
may see a real slugfest in the Democratic nomination. If

1101
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,079
Governor Shapiro of Pennsylvania runs. That was the guy who

1102
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:40,960
the Trump campaign was terrified was going to be named

1103
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,239
as the vice presidential nominee and who a lot of

1104
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,719
them were even afraid was going to be the presidential

1105
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,760
nominee in the last election. If he runs in twenty

1106
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,960
twenty eight, that's going to be really interesting to see

1107
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,840
in the Democratic Party, and it will be very instructive

1108
01:00:55,159 --> 01:00:58,599
as far as telling us how power is really wielded

1109
01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:01,159
in American politics. Because someone like that is able to

1110
01:01:01,159 --> 01:01:05,000
get the nomination, I think that tells us a lot

1111
01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:11,360
about how little public opinion within a party really matters.

1112
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:18,639
Speaker 1: When it comes to just like the what they call

1113
01:01:18,679 --> 01:01:21,159
the right, I mean, I'll just call the Republicans, because

1114
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,159
I'm very strict on what right wing means, very historical

1115
01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:35,719
right wing means. But Republicans they if they don't have

1116
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:43,199
the stomach for what needs to be done, then they do.

1117
01:01:43,239 --> 01:01:45,239
You see a certain segment of them because I think

1118
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,119
there's a lot of people who voted for Trump this

1119
01:01:47,239 --> 01:01:51,039
time who may have voted for Biden in twenty twenty.

1120
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,239
I think there were people who were like, well, you know,

1121
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,760
I just it's that center they talk about who has

1122
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,320
no kind of you know, No, there's no ideology there.

1123
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:07,559
It's just whichever the wind blows. I mean they turn yeah, yeah,

1124
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:13,000
well if the economy is shitting the bed in twenty

1125
01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:18,880
twenty six, and I mean, do we see like basically

1126
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:23,280
a bunch of people just abandoning MAGA and being like, well,

1127
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,440
we need to get people in here. Even though you know,

1128
01:02:26,599 --> 01:02:30,320
like we've already said, Congress is doing nothing. Do they

1129
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,760
do anything anymore other than run interference for certain things?

1130
01:02:34,199 --> 01:02:37,519
I mean, do we see a gigantic change because I mean,

1131
01:02:37,559 --> 01:02:41,599
these aren't people who have any kind of ideology whatsoever.

1132
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,440
Their ideology is financial.

1133
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 2: I think that the biggest missed opportunity of the Trump

1134
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:52,079
administration thus far is not giving people the dojerbait checks,

1135
01:02:52,119 --> 01:02:55,960
not turning people into financial clients. And a democracy, you

1136
01:02:56,079 --> 01:02:59,239
have to establish a patron client relationship with your voters,

1137
01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:02,440
and Trump did that with the stimulus checks. A lot

1138
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,760
of blacks actually, according to that book fight about the

1139
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,639
twenty twenty four election, said they wouldn't vote for Biden

1140
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:10,679
because Trump had given him a stimulus and Biden hadn't. Now,

1141
01:03:10,719 --> 01:03:12,719
of course Biden did, but they didn't know that. But

1142
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,639
Trump was smart enough to put his name on the check.

1143
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:21,159
I think if MAGA fails, or if the economy goes

1144
01:03:21,199 --> 01:03:24,400
bad and the tariffs aren't able to turn it around

1145
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:28,199
by twenty twenty eight, or whatever situation we end up facing,

1146
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:31,800
I think you're going to see a large number of

1147
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,400
people shift towards the left and whatever party is promising

1148
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,400
them free stuff and sort of a vague soak the

1149
01:03:38,519 --> 01:03:43,239
rich mentality. I wouldn't underestimate AOC, frankly running on just

1150
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,039
sort of pining the sky. Social programs and whatever else.

1151
01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:48,599
Whether they work or not doesn't matter, and whether they

1152
01:03:48,679 --> 01:03:51,079
make people's lives worse or not really doesn't matter. I mean,

1153
01:03:51,079 --> 01:03:53,280
what is the one thing that everybody in this country

1154
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,320
agrees on. Healthcare sucks? What do they all agree should

1155
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:57,760
be done about it? If you look at the polls,

1156
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,000
give more power to the people who made healthcare SoCs

1157
01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:03,679
to begin with, People are not capable of masses of

1158
01:04:03,679 --> 01:04:08,280
people anyway, are not capable of severing that connection. And

1159
01:04:09,159 --> 01:04:11,400
I don't think you're going to see like a new

1160
01:04:12,639 --> 01:04:15,480
right of MAGA movement takes shape. I don't think you're

1161
01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:18,840
going to see some anti state movement. I don't think

1162
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,559
you're going to see like neo libertarianism or whatever else.

1163
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:23,039
I think you're just going to see a kind of

1164
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,079
left and you're already seeing it at some level, a

1165
01:04:26,159 --> 01:04:30,599
kind of left wing populism where we basically we're going

1166
01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:34,239
to have a kind of democratic socialism, and we're going

1167
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:38,280
to make a couple head fakes toward disenfranchised white males

1168
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,960
to win back some of these guys, and then we're

1169
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,199
going to screw them over on cultural policies once we're

1170
01:04:43,199 --> 01:04:45,559
in power. I think that's the most likely political reaction.

1171
01:04:46,119 --> 01:04:48,320
I mean, the real question of what the right's going

1172
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:53,400
to do in terms of a reaction if Manga fails

1173
01:04:54,119 --> 01:04:56,360
is I don't think they're going to do anything. I

1174
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:01,199
think they're gonna just retreated to fan world in private life.

1175
01:05:01,239 --> 01:05:05,320
I don't think that there's any real air parent or

1176
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,280
real rising movement that has any political presence that can

1177
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:13,400
really accomplish anything. I think whatever comes after Maga is

1178
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,639
going to be calling itself like the true MAGA, or

1179
01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:18,400
calling itself like what the Trump Revolution was really about,

1180
01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:20,360
and we're going to succeed where he failed and that

1181
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,159
kind of thing. But I also think it's a little

1182
01:05:22,199 --> 01:05:23,639
too early to be giving up of a president.

1183
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I mean, I'm just like I follow people

1184
01:05:28,159 --> 01:05:31,920
like Mike Shelby and he what he does?

1185
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I've been following him pretty closely too.

1186
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:39,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. He sits in on all the like the calls

1187
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,639
and everything like Indivisible places like that. People think that

1188
01:05:42,679 --> 01:05:45,960
stuff gone has gone away because us A I D. No,

1189
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:50,639
they're not going anywhere, and basically what they're doing is there.

1190
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,639
Mike doesn't think that there is going to be like

1191
01:05:53,719 --> 01:05:55,960
this is going to be a Summer of George kind

1192
01:05:56,039 --> 01:06:02,599
of thing, except if some of these groups are calling

1193
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:07,480
for to get violent when it comes to deportations. If

1194
01:06:07,519 --> 01:06:09,840
you see a deportation, man stand in front of it.

1195
01:06:10,119 --> 01:06:12,440
If you see an airplane, you know, if you can

1196
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,559
if you find out that flight.

1197
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,239
Speaker 2: I really hope. So yeah, that's that is That's what

1198
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,039
I want. If you're like, what do I what do

1199
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:21,800
I think is the best thing that could happen? What

1200
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,239
is the only way and I'm I'm maybe I'm too pessimistic,

1201
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,840
maybe I'm too scornful. But what is the only way

1202
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,320
I think that the right actually does what needs to

1203
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,840
be done. I'll tell you exactly. And this already happened,

1204
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:36,559
by the way. Everybody forgets that. But there was a

1205
01:06:36,599 --> 01:06:40,360
democratic terrorist who shot at an ice station in Colorado

1206
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,079
a few years back. Remember he was killed, And there

1207
01:06:43,079 --> 01:06:46,280
were other attempts like this. The best thing that could

1208
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,800
happen is if the left tries to violently stop deportation operations,

1209
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,159
and that provides the opportunity to bring the hammer down

1210
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:58,760
with things like Rico prosecutions of these organizations, where you

1211
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,760
actually start breaking up these groups, where you actually start

1212
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,400
going after the ngngos, where you actually start dismantling these networks,

1213
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,559
and you do it legitimately under the auspices of the state.

1214
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,719
One of the things that we really I mean, you

1215
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:14,360
know this, but I think a lot of people on

1216
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,800
the right don't know this. They have these fantasies where

1217
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,119
it's like, well, you know, the balloon's gonna go up

1218
01:07:20,159 --> 01:07:21,920
and we're gonna have a fight, and the right wing

1219
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:23,920
will wap the floor with them. Yeah, And it's like, no,

1220
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:28,199
the left is better organized than you. There will power,

1221
01:07:28,639 --> 01:07:31,599
you know, pound for pound is greater. But most importantly,

1222
01:07:31,639 --> 01:07:36,239
they're able to use force and violence in a limited way,

1223
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,360
in the way that the right is just not capable

1224
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:42,239
of doing so. And you see this at protests. You know,

1225
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,199
they'll go up to a certain thing and they'll break

1226
01:07:44,239 --> 01:07:46,760
a certain law, but they won't break another law. So

1227
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,639
then that way, when they get arrested, they look like

1228
01:07:48,679 --> 01:07:51,519
the victims, or they'll maybe they'll they'll turn it up

1229
01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:53,440
a notch, but there'll be other people in the protest

1230
01:07:53,519 --> 01:07:56,480
sort of covering for them, sometimes literally, like somebody will

1231
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,159
throw a brick and then the other people will cover

1232
01:07:58,199 --> 01:08:00,440
them to make sure they can escape. You see this

1233
01:08:00,519 --> 01:08:02,280
on the right. It's either we're going to do nothing,

1234
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,559
or we're going to go completely nuts and do crazy,

1235
01:08:05,639 --> 01:08:08,960
self destructive, violent things that make everybody hate us. And

1236
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:14,480
I think that in terms of how we actually defeat this,

1237
01:08:14,599 --> 01:08:17,880
it has to be done under the auspices of the

1238
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,439
state and under the auspices of legitimacy. And this also

1239
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,960
seems to be something that's inherent to the Anglo American worldview.

1240
01:08:24,039 --> 01:08:27,720
I mean, every time you see a revolutionary situation, in

1241
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:31,640
an English speaking country English Civil War, American Revolution, War

1242
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:36,319
between the States, the rebel side, even when it wins,

1243
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:41,079
especially when it wins, it always cloaks itself in legitimacy

1244
01:08:41,159 --> 01:08:45,239
and institutions that already existed. Then ever, just say oh,

1245
01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:48,479
we're starting a new regime. It doesn't operate that way.

1246
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,359
I mean, that's something like the French might be able

1247
01:08:50,359 --> 01:08:53,039
to do, or in certain continental traditions they can do that,

1248
01:08:53,119 --> 01:08:55,960
but it's just not the way the legalistic Anglo works.

1249
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:00,000
And I think it's dangerous to expect too much from

1250
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,319
the American right. What I want is the left to

1251
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:05,960
overreact against programs that by and large, if you look

1252
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,279
at the polls, Americans want illegals gone. And if the

1253
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:13,199
left starts violently resisting deportation operations, so much the better,

1254
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:16,119
then we can put them down, because that actually is

1255
01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:17,640
the legitimate and lawful thing to do.

1256
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I think that a lot of people

1257
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,760
on the right are thinking that there is going to

1258
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,279
be deputized right wing militias that are going to happen

1259
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,720
now and nine times sho, yeah, yeah, that wouldn't be that,

1260
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,439
that would be if that happens. We're in a lot

1261
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:37,359
more trouble than.

1262
01:09:38,039 --> 01:09:40,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that that happens if you have like

1263
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:43,600
widespread civil disorder. I mean, look, there are plenty of

1264
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:48,119
things if you wanted to really drop the hammer, Trump

1265
01:09:48,199 --> 01:09:53,000
could do right, But he also wants to get real.

1266
01:09:53,039 --> 01:09:55,359
Like at the end of the day, he is no

1267
01:09:55,399 --> 01:09:59,960
longer outside the party insurgent. He sees himself quite appropriately

1268
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,560
as the leader of the Republican Party. As tragic flaw,

1269
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:05,720
and as tragic Flaw has always been. He wants to

1270
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,359
be liked at some level by the institutions that he respects,

1271
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,880
even the things like the New York Times, even though

1272
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:13,399
he never will be. But he doesn't want to be

1273
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:19,000
liked by these people. But he's also already doing things

1274
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:20,920
which other people didn't do. And I don't just mean

1275
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,720
on immigration, but I mean even in things like these

1276
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:27,000
anti DEI executive orders, some of the things that we

1277
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,239
were very frustrated with in the first term, he's already

1278
01:10:29,279 --> 01:10:31,920
acted on, like the executive order on birthright citizenship. Now

1279
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:33,279
it's going to be fought out with the courts, but

1280
01:10:33,279 --> 01:10:35,800
at least he did it. I mean, the real question

1281
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:37,760
we could ask is where is Congress on a lot

1282
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,159
of these things? Even popular things like making English to

1283
01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:42,880
the official language. I don't know why they don't just

1284
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,279
do that, even out of cynical partisan reasons, but they

1285
01:10:46,319 --> 01:10:49,439
won't do it. And I've given up expecting or hoping

1286
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,640
that they'll ever do something like that. But we are

1287
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,720
we are, and there are a lot of things that

1288
01:10:56,319 --> 01:10:57,920
we can dream about. There are a lot of things

1289
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,680
we can fear. There are a lot of things that

1290
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:01,800
we can say, well, we could do this, or we

1291
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,239
could do that, or you know, hypothetically, if I was

1292
01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:08,239
in charge, this would happen. But until we have people

1293
01:11:08,399 --> 01:11:11,680
on our side, like fully on our side, people who

1294
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:15,039
would say, yeah, this is our guy in state legislatures,

1295
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:19,800
in Congress actually getting elected, actually campaigning on these things,

1296
01:11:20,279 --> 01:11:23,960
then frankly, I don't see what the alternative is. I mean,

1297
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,159
I'll say this, we were talking about foreign policies, specifically

1298
01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:30,359
Israel before. Certainly, if we talked about who constitutes the

1299
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:32,880
pro Israel lobby in Congress, I think we both agree

1300
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,199
that it's probably the vast majority of Congress, right, I mean,

1301
01:11:35,399 --> 01:11:38,840
if you give him a binary choice. But certainly there

1302
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,520
are a couple who shed at t Lee being the

1303
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,439
most obvious example that we could consider the pro Palestine lobby, right,

1304
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,199
I mean, she flies the flag outside her office. There's

1305
01:11:48,199 --> 01:11:52,359
not a single pro white member of Congress, not one.

1306
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:56,079
So I mean if you said, you know, Palestinian activists

1307
01:11:56,119 --> 01:11:58,199
are having the way that the state brought down on

1308
01:11:58,279 --> 01:12:01,119
them in a remarkable way, you know, the Trump administration,

1309
01:12:01,159 --> 01:12:04,119
I'd be like, yeah, that's that's true. And yet the

1310
01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:07,199
pro Palestine lobby in this country is stronger than the

1311
01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:10,880
pro white lobby, even though whites constitute the American majority. Now,

1312
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,439
until that changes in any way, until we have a

1313
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:19,479
single person in Congress who is explicitly pro white, I

1314
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:20,800
really don't know what people expect.

1315
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,560
Speaker 1: I guess one of the hopes that I see there

1316
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,600
is I think Tucker Carlson has a lot of sway

1317
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:35,640
over people in power. I think that probably I noticed

1318
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,800
that a lot of the episodes he does are almost

1319
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:43,800
they're not really for us there for, but he's communicating

1320
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,880
with elites, and I think he's getting more and more.

1321
01:12:48,279 --> 01:12:52,199
I think the qualifiers are disappearing. Where he used to say,

1322
01:12:52,279 --> 01:12:53,199
you know, I'm not pro.

1323
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,119
Speaker 2: I remember I would I would curse out people call

1324
01:12:57,199 --> 01:12:59,760
me pro white, and this kind of thing. Let's look

1325
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,680
at the right side here. I mean, when I started

1326
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:09,720
out the idea that a president of the United States

1327
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:13,960
would specifically call out things as being anti white in

1328
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:18,279
an executive order, that was unthinkable. That is remarkable progress.

1329
01:13:18,319 --> 01:13:21,000
That's not nothing. And if people who are coming in now,

1330
01:13:21,039 --> 01:13:23,760
well that's not much, okay, but you don't remember what

1331
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,279
it was like just eight years ago. That wouldn't have

1332
01:13:26,279 --> 01:13:30,800
happened during Trump's first term. We are now in a

1333
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:34,039
position where if you say something is anti white, and

1334
01:13:34,119 --> 01:13:36,680
I oppose it because it is anti white, that is

1335
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:40,199
a mainstream political position. You can get elected running on

1336
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:43,000
that kind of position. President Trump just got elected running

1337
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,199
on that position. He is now guiding policy based on

1338
01:13:46,279 --> 01:13:49,960
that position. So this is within the Overton window. This

1339
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:52,800
is actually at the part of the Overton window that

1340
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,319
it's fully accepted, the part where it says policy. That's

1341
01:13:56,359 --> 01:14:00,760
where we're at. Now. What comes next is being pro white,

1342
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,159
and that's a much tougher thing in some level. But

1343
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,079
one of the things that I always hammer away on

1344
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:12,279
X and I think it's very critical to understand, especially

1345
01:14:12,359 --> 01:14:16,000
as we see these dueling India Pakistan protests kicking off

1346
01:14:16,039 --> 01:14:18,720
in the United Kingdom and maybe in America and Canada too.

1347
01:14:19,239 --> 01:14:21,840
Is everybody's a nationalist for the nation they actually like,

1348
01:14:22,199 --> 01:14:25,159
there's nobody on the line. I'm beginning to question whether

1349
01:14:25,239 --> 01:14:28,439
there even is a left or is it just a

1350
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:32,800
collection of nationalists for other nations? Because everybody sounds like

1351
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,239
a blood and soil mystical member of the SS when

1352
01:14:35,239 --> 01:14:38,600
it's comes to talking about their group. But they get

1353
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,279
really upset when it comes to white people talking about

1354
01:14:41,319 --> 01:14:45,439
our group, even in the most moderative terms. I mean AOC.

1355
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,279
This is when she first got elected, gave a speech

1356
01:14:49,359 --> 01:14:54,279
where she said American Hispanics or Hispanics I should say,

1357
01:14:55,399 --> 01:14:58,960
are descended from the indigenous people of the continent. Therefore,

1358
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,920
in migration laws do not apply to them. Now, this

1359
01:15:03,039 --> 01:15:05,960
is a remarkable statement from a sitting member of Congress

1360
01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:09,159
that federal law doesn't apply because of the mystical blood

1361
01:15:09,199 --> 01:15:12,159
within your veins. Now, is that a less right wing

1362
01:15:12,199 --> 01:15:15,720
position than saying, hey, white people found in the United States.

1363
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:18,199
I don't think so. I mean it, it is a right

1364
01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:20,079
wing position, but it's a right wing position for them

1365
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:25,359
and in getting our people to not just be I

1366
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,760
don't like being discriminated against because I'm white too. Yes,

1367
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:30,760
I am white, and it is good and just to

1368
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,680
act in the interest of my group. That is where

1369
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,199
we need to get to. And that is my line

1370
01:15:35,399 --> 01:15:37,680
for the people, you know, moving in that direction. That's

1371
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,199
my line for what is productive and what is not productive.

1372
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,439
And I think once we get to that point, and

1373
01:15:42,199 --> 01:15:45,479
I really do have faith that we are getting there,

1374
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,800
and not faith, I have good reasons to believe that

1375
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,960
we're getting there. Once we do get there, I think

1376
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:55,119
a lot of things become politically possible. And I also

1377
01:15:55,159 --> 01:15:57,399
would say keep your eye on Europe. I've always had

1378
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:00,079
more faith on in Europe in some ways than the

1379
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:05,079
United States, because I think the Europeans they're more repressed

1380
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:09,359
than us, but it's quicker to flip, and they have

1381
01:16:09,399 --> 01:16:13,399
a much more bone deep sense of who belongs to

1382
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:17,039
the nation and who doesn't, whereas I think for Americans,

1383
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,640
as you say, I mean, this civic nationalist cult has

1384
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:23,840
really taken root in the Anglo world in a way

1385
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:26,880
that you just don't see in France or Germany or

1386
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,880
even the Netherlands or places like that, and that creates

1387
01:16:30,039 --> 01:16:31,279
new political opportunities.

1388
01:16:33,199 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 1: Let's leave it there. What do you got some promote.

1389
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to be setting up a streaming show

1390
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,800
with American Resaisurants pretty soon. It's going to be called

1391
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,880
Identity Politics. I hope to have that going this month.

1392
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,399
We're going to be doing a lot more podcast We're

1393
01:16:46,399 --> 01:16:48,079
going to be doing a book club, We're going to

1394
01:16:48,079 --> 01:16:52,039
be doing a lot more multimedia content, and obviously we've

1395
01:16:52,039 --> 01:16:55,279
got the conference coming up. I'll be open to hearing

1396
01:16:55,279 --> 01:16:58,199
anybody who wants to hear about speakers or some of

1397
01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:00,720
the topics that we want to address. But I think

1398
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,800
that and I'm also working on a book right now,

1399
01:17:03,159 --> 01:17:06,720
which I hope to have out this year. Now, the

1400
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:09,960
big thing, and I do want to hear from you

1401
01:17:10,079 --> 01:17:12,600
from everybody else, is I do think we are kind

1402
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:14,840
of at this crossroads and the movement that I think

1403
01:17:15,039 --> 01:17:18,560
a lot of us are sort of feeling where whatever

1404
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:22,039
happens after this Trump term, I think it's going to

1405
01:17:22,039 --> 01:17:24,079
be a final answer one way or the other is

1406
01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:28,720
the question of America yes or no. And there's a

1407
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,680
debate that needs to be happening about where we go

1408
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,199
from here, which we almost can't really begin yet because

1409
01:17:35,199 --> 01:17:37,479
we have to see how things play out. But it's

1410
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,479
going to be upon us a lot sooner than we expect,

1411
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,239
and I think people really need to consider hard a

1412
01:17:43,239 --> 01:17:46,239
lot of the things that you talked about that when

1413
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:48,600
the left comes into power, if we let them come

1414
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,880
back into power, we're going to see repression in a

1415
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,680
way that we've never experienced in our lifetimes. And frankly,

1416
01:17:54,279 --> 01:17:57,079
the distinctions that we have amongst each other on the right,

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even the people who absolutely hate each other, we're all

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the same to the people who matter, and once those

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people have power again, we're going to feel it. So

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we need to be ready to figure out how we're

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going to respond to that. Our time is running out,

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and the hours later than to think, and it's time

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for people to start taking this seriously. Thank you very much,

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real pleasure being on. Thank you.