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<v Speaker 3>Hello, it's Nicole Atkins on the Rock and Roll History Show.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Rock and Roll History

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<v Speaker 6>Show and Hudson River Radio. I'm Brian Horowitz. This week

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<v Speaker 6>we're talking disc tracks songs that kind of poke fun

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<v Speaker 6>at other people. We'll get into that in just a moment,

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<v Speaker 6>but as always, before we get into it all, allow

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<v Speaker 6>me to introduce all the cranbones joining us here this evening.

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<v Speaker 6>First and foremost from the Richter Observatory. He's always got

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<v Speaker 6>two or three puns about Motown. Ready to go four tops?

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<v Speaker 6>Neil Richter is back.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't see where that was going. That was a

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<v Speaker 5>good one, how you doing, Everybody.

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<v Speaker 6>And the host of Paranormally Yours. She adopted a dog

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<v Speaker 6>from a blacksmith. As soon as she got him home,

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<v Speaker 6>he made a bolt for the door. Cal Nuklem has

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<v Speaker 6>said Hello, And from the silver Screen. She learned from

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<v Speaker 6>walking into a bar that having two or three shots

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<v Speaker 6>of whiskey per day can significantly reduce your risk of

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<v Speaker 6>giving a crap. Mercedes Kent is back.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, it's so true.

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<v Speaker 1>Who looks every time?

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<v Speaker 6>Hey?

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody?

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<v Speaker 6>And last but not least, the host of Shaving Cream.

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<v Speaker 6>She learned that stormtroopers use iPhones because they can't find

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<v Speaker 6>the droings that, Oh, I messed it up. They can't

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<v Speaker 6>find the droids they were looking for. Har reveal this.

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<v Speaker 7>Year it's never the droids you're looking.

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<v Speaker 6>I know that would have been better if I didn't

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<v Speaker 6>screw it up.

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<v Speaker 7>That's okay. I appreciate a good nerd joke. You know

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<v Speaker 7>you know me all too well.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, stumbling out of the gate, I'm already two cups

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<v Speaker 6>of coffee behind. So we're gonna see how it goes.

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<v Speaker 6>But tonight we're talking diss tracks, so basically songs that

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<v Speaker 6>make fun of other bands, other artists locations something in society.

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<v Speaker 6>Probably best known in like the hip hop rap world now,

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<v Speaker 6>but they have been around forever. We've talked about them

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<v Speaker 6>in classical music, They've been in jazz. They have been

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<v Speaker 6>around for a very very long time. So I have

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<v Speaker 6>no idea where it's going to go tonight, But let's

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<v Speaker 6>find out when don't we hop right in and Neil

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<v Speaker 6>is going to lead us off tonight?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I got a little bit of this and a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit of that, But let's talk about Don Henley.

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<v Speaker 5>Don Henley who was born in nineteen forty seven and

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<v Speaker 5>is an American musician. In nineteen seventy one, he co

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<v Speaker 5>founded and was the drummer for the rock band The Eagles.

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<v Speaker 5>Henley also sang lead vocals on many of the Eagles'

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<v Speaker 5>biggest hits, including their epic Hotel California. The Eagles are

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<v Speaker 5>the biggest selling American band in history, with over one

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<v Speaker 5>hundred and fifty million albums sold worldwide. That's one hundred

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<v Speaker 5>and fifty million. They had five number one singles, six

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<v Speaker 5>number one albums, and won six Grammy Awards. Their Greatest

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<v Speaker 5>in history, selling over thirty eight million copies and count probably,

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<v Speaker 5>so that's not too shabby. No. Now, after the Eagles

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<v Speaker 5>broke up in nineteen eighty, Henley pursued a solo career

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<v Speaker 5>and went on to sell over ten million albums on

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<v Speaker 5>his own, winning two Grammys of his own and five

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<v Speaker 5>MTV Video Awards as well. Henley, along with the Eagles,

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<v Speaker 5>and Roll Hall of Fame in nineteen ninety eight. And again,

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<v Speaker 5>that's not too shabby. But there is one person who

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<v Speaker 5>didn't think so. There is one man, and that man's

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<v Speaker 5>name was Neil Kirby McMillan Junior, better known to the

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<v Speaker 5>world as Mojo Nixon. And if you don't know Mojo Nixon,

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<v Speaker 5>your store could use some Fixon. Mojo Nixon was born

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<v Speaker 5>in nineteen fifty seven. He was an American musician and actor,

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<v Speaker 5>best known for his comedy and novelties songs that were

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<v Speaker 5>began his career as a duo with his partner Skid Roper.

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<v Speaker 5>His real name was Richard Bank, and that happened in

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<v Speaker 5>the mid nineteen eighties, and by the late nineteen eighties,

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<v Speaker 5>Nixon and Roper had released several satirical pieces, including that

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<v Speaker 5>lampoon celebrities, including the song Elvis Is Everywhere, which included

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<v Speaker 5>Michael J. Fox as the anti Elvis, Stuffin' Martha's muffin,

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<v Speaker 5>referring to MTV VJ Martha Quinn stuffin' Martha's muffin? And

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<v Speaker 5>who can forget Debbie Gibson is pregnant with my two

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<v Speaker 5>headed love child. And that was the one that got

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<v Speaker 5>him in trouble with MTV. They refused to play the video.

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<v Speaker 7>David Gibson, that's the one that pushed it over the end.

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<v Speaker 5>But I digress. Nixon and Rope were split up in

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<v Speaker 5>nineteen eighty nine, and it was in the following year

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<v Speaker 5>that Nixon unleashed a brand new round of controversy by

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<v Speaker 5>recording the song Don Henley Must Die. This is the

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<v Speaker 5>Sound of My Brain.

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<v Speaker 8>Then I said, this is the sound of my brain

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<v Speaker 8>on Don Henley.

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<v Speaker 6>Then I said one, two, three fours.

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<v Speaker 9>He's a tortured artists to be in the ego.

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<v Speaker 10>Now he whine, He's like.

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<v Speaker 5>A wounded beagle.

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<v Speaker 10>Blow it up despair, bucked up with hot air.

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<v Speaker 9>He's serious pretensions and not just conjet.

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<v Speaker 11>Died.

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<v Speaker 10>Don't let him get.

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<v Speaker 8>Tidy to turn it up with glint dry they might die.

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<v Speaker 10>Cut on the TV. Woo did I see.

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<v Speaker 5>This floated?

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<v Speaker 9>Everything went in a Grammy fast.

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<v Speaker 11>Rocks on the list compared to what.

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<v Speaker 10>Bunch of suono serious?

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<v Speaker 12>And I think the man say blo.

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<v Speaker 5>Di di.

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<v Speaker 10>Pooto sun stick it as gott gott but playing that

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<v Speaker 10>crondron the man, I'm only kiddy.

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<v Speaker 7>Can't you tell.

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<v Speaker 5>I love his sensitive.

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<v Speaker 11>Music, idiot poetry.

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<v Speaker 10>Swell you and your card.

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<v Speaker 7>We're killing rock and roll.

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<v Speaker 10>It's not because you are wealthy.

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<v Speaker 5>Got your hat got up.

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<v Speaker 6>Stuf, don't be afraid of loosen.

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<v Speaker 10>Up your pony tail, be wild your friend of titch

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<v Speaker 10>your head your.

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<v Speaker 9>Tail start he musty, don't let it be back together

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<v Speaker 9>with cliff ride, start.

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<v Speaker 10>Must put him in the electric um what if the

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<v Speaker 10>time on YouTube?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, even Nixon's record company was shocked to the point

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<v Speaker 5>to the point where they were begging radio stations not

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<v Speaker 5>to play this song.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you say why he so much hated Don Henley?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, but I suspect that this begging the

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<v Speaker 5>radio stations not to play the song was part of

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<v Speaker 5>a marketing.

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<v Speaker 4>Ploy, because, of course.

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<v Speaker 5>Don Henley Must Die hit number twenty on the US

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<v Speaker 5>Modern Rock chart in nineteen ninety I love it. Apparently

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<v Speaker 5>Don Henley himself didn't mind. He was probably too busy

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<v Speaker 5>polishing his Grammys and counting his money, because in nineteen

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<v Speaker 5>ninety two, at a club in Austin, Texas, Henley actually

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<v Speaker 5>joined Nixon on stage and they sang the song together.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, I love it.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, after which Nixon praised Henley for quote having

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<v Speaker 5>balls as big as church bells come, and went on

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<v Speaker 5>went on to ask is Debbie Gibson here too.

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<v Speaker 7>Awesome?

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<v Speaker 5>Nixon would go on to host a radio show on

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<v Speaker 5>the out Country channel on Serious XM. The Eagles have

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<v Speaker 5>reunited and reformed several times with various members over the years. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>I once heard and this was hearsay. I don't even

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<v Speaker 5>know where, or I don't know if I read it.

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<v Speaker 5>I probably just heard it. But Don Henley, when credited

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<v Speaker 5>along with the Eagles, for inventing the genre of new country, replied,

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<v Speaker 5>whether sarcastically or not, that he was very sorry and apologized.

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<v Speaker 5>Now the sad thing the said. The final irony here

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<v Speaker 5>is that the song also mentions Henley's Eagles bandmate Glen Fry,

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<v Speaker 5>who did die in twenty sixteen, and Nixon himself passed

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<v Speaker 5>away just last year in twenty twenty four. But as

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<v Speaker 5>of this taping, Don Henley is still alive and well,

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<v Speaker 5>probably polishing his Grammys and counting his money. So there's

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<v Speaker 5>the disc for you.

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<v Speaker 6>Nice. He's one of those he just doesn't have a

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<v Speaker 6>good reputation of being nice or pleasant to work with.

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<v Speaker 4>John Henley.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, just across the board. That's just the kind of

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<v Speaker 6>stuff you hear. Obviously he never met him, never work

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<v Speaker 6>with him or anything, but that's just the repute kind

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<v Speaker 6>of like Chevy Chase, nobody want you know, he's burning

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<v Speaker 6>bridges as he goes along kind of. It just seems

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<v Speaker 6>to be that kind of thing. He just, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know, I don't know how true that is,

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<v Speaker 6>but it kind of makes sense with the song. So

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<v Speaker 6>that was funny compared to what is my favorite line

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<v Speaker 6>in that phone? I didn't really hear anything after that.

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<v Speaker 6>All right, good lead off, Thank you, Neil Gail put

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<v Speaker 6>up to you.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a really hard act to follow.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, The song I chose is by Us Osbourne, and

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<v Speaker 13>I'm still very sad that he passed away in July

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<v Speaker 13>of twenty twenty five this year.

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<v Speaker 4>I knew his Parkinson's was getting bad, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>know it was that bad that he was going to

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<v Speaker 4>die what seventeen days after that last concert that he gave.

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<v Speaker 4>That's just so sad.

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<v Speaker 6>You kind of get the feeling that he planned it, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>that's that was.

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<v Speaker 7>He was saying goodbye.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Yeah, you really couldn't have scripted it any better,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, But I know, right, it was sad. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It was an article that he was actually strapped to

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<v Speaker 1>chair the whole entire.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's what I read that In the Throne.

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<v Speaker 6>I also read that he had stopped a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>his pain meds and other stuff just.

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<v Speaker 4>Right so he could function a little more coher And yeah, again, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>not true, but it would make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I read.

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<v Speaker 4>A oh yeah, so, as many people already know, he

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<v Speaker 4>was born John Michael Osbourne ended up with the nickname

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<v Speaker 4>of Ozzie. He was born on the third of December

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<v Speaker 4>in nineteen forty eight, and, as I said, passed away

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<v Speaker 4>on July twenty second, twenty twenty five. He was an

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<v Speaker 4>English singer, songwriter and media personality. And of course, he

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<v Speaker 4>co founded the pioneering heavy metal band Black Sabbath in

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen sixty eight and they rose to prominence in the

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen seventies and he was their lead vocalist. Now he

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<v Speaker 4>being fired from Black Sabbath in nineteen seventy nine due

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<v Speaker 4>He reunited with Black Sabbath on a number of occasions.

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<v Speaker 4>on the fifth of July twenty twenty five. This year,

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<v Speaker 4>he adopted the title Prince of Darkness. Now, the song

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<v Speaker 4>miracle Man. And that was a pointed barb aimed at

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<v Speaker 4>He had long been critical of Osborne's music and live

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<v Speaker 7>Lest he be judged, Yeah, lest.

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<v Speaker 4>Thinking of Jim Baker.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh no, they did that.

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<v Speaker 6>No, Swagger did that too. He had his little, perfectly staged,

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<v Speaker 5>I remember that.

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<v Speaker 4>That's oh yeah, I'm I'm a church lady, and I

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<v Speaker 6>I agree. You know whose cousin is right? No, no, Neil,

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<v Speaker 6>Do you know whose cousin.

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<v Speaker 5>Is the man who married his cousin, correct, his other No,

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<v Speaker 5>Jerry Lee.

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<v Speaker 6>Lewis Lewis's cousin.

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<v Speaker 5>Who married his fourteen year old cousin, correct, not Jimmy

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<v Speaker 5>Swagger's right.

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<v Speaker 6>So to me, there's a lot of similarities. It's just

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<v Speaker 6>that Jerry Lee leaned into it and Jim me so.

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<v Speaker 5>It was probably yeah, he yeah, Jerry lead. It was unapologetically,

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<v Speaker 6>They took Danno lessons together as kids and stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So anyway, The song miracle Man is from the fifth

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<v Speaker 4>solo studio album by Ozzy Astbourne, which is called No

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<v Speaker 4>Rest for the Wicked, and that was released in October

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<v Speaker 4>of nineteen eighty eight, reissued on in nineteen ninety five,

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<v Speaker 4>in August, and again on the twenty fifth of June

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<v Speaker 4>and two thousand and two. I guess they just liked

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<v Speaker 4>it so much they kept re releasing it. The album

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<v Speaker 4>was certified gold in December nineteen eighty eight and since

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<v Speaker 4>has gone double platinum. It peaked at number thirteen on

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<v Speaker 4>So let's have a lassen.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't know why, don't know, you don't know where

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<v Speaker 10>it's all. Why that man? I can't be seen as a.

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<v Speaker 12>Gobble with the bust fire candlements, not a double.

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<v Speaker 4>Pretty much anything he did rocks like crazy. I just

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<v Speaker 4>loved his music. Ozzie Osbourne sold more than one hundred

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<v Speaker 4>million albums between his solo work and Black Sabbath releases.

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<v Speaker 4>He was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of

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<v Speaker 4>and six and as a solo artist in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 4>Now one of my favorite things that he's done. In

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<v Speaker 4>the two thousands, he became a reality television star when

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<v Speaker 4>twenty two thousand and two to two thousand and five

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<v Speaker 4>along Sharon. Alongside Sharon and two of their children, Kelly

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<v Speaker 4>in the television series Ozzie and Jack's World Detour twenty

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<v Speaker 4>sixteen to twenty eighteen and my all time favorite The

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<v Speaker 4>I want to get a shirt that has a picture

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<v Speaker 4>of him saying ball Lightning show the show. Now, his

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<v Speaker 4>son Jack is a known paranormal investigator. So the basis

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<v Speaker 4>of the Osbourne's want to believe was that Jack would

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<v Speaker 4>of nowhere, or items that moved by themselves or whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>and nine times out of ten, as he would say

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<v Speaker 5>That was his Yeah, that was his explanation for it. Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>pretty much everything.

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<v Speaker 4>And Sharon's explanation was usually dolphins and they had their

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<v Speaker 4>dogs on set with it. It was I loved that show.

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<v Speaker 4>It was so much fun. And he was just in

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<v Speaker 4>his later years. He was just this cute, little doddering

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<v Speaker 4>old man. He was adorable. So that's my story and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sticking to it that I.

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<v Speaker 5>Can tell you something shocking. Would you like to hear

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<v Speaker 5>something really shocking? Okay, I never saw aw Ozsy or

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<v Speaker 5>Black Sabbath. I am shocked. I was supposed to. I

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<v Speaker 5>was supposed to. It was they were supposed to show

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<v Speaker 5>up at a festival. The festival I talked about it here.

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<v Speaker 5>It was in nineteen seventy two. They were supposed to

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<v Speaker 5>show up and they never showed up. So technically I

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<v Speaker 5>there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>We are all appropriately shocked.

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<v Speaker 5>See, I have to balance it out. You know, I've

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<v Speaker 5>seen I never saw Black Sabbath, never saw Ozzie, and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm kind of sorry I didn't know, but yeah, definitely, yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>He's you know, it's amazing how they tried to demonize

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<v Speaker 5>And he was known.

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<v Speaker 6>There were a bunch of stories of you know, people

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<v Speaker 4>A little bit.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so all right, that was awesome.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Gail.

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<v Speaker 6>Ay and welcome back, Mercedes. We're up to you all right?

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<v Speaker 1>So I had a sex Pistols song all picked out

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<v Speaker 1>and for the show, and it was funny and good,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was an answer song after it from another band,

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<v Speaker 1>which Neil clued me into. But after re listening and

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<v Speaker 1>reading the lyrics, I realized it had the F word

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<v Speaker 1>in it, and not the one that rhymes with duck,

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<v Speaker 1>but the one that rhymes with maggot. And I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>do it. Definitely, no, No, I couldn't do it, So

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<v Speaker 1>off to find another song. I used to work for

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<v Speaker 1>Select Records as the production manager in nineteen eighty seven

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty eight. Select was an early rap label mostly

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<v Speaker 1>remembered for Chub Rock, Utfo, Kidn't Play, and the Real Roxanne.

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<v Speaker 1>I arrived at Select just after the Roxanne Wars, which

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<v Speaker 1>were described as a public lyrical rap battle that became

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<v Speaker 1>a defining moment in early hip hop history. Also one

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<v Speaker 1>answer records in history. Utfo, which as I said, was

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<v Speaker 1>on Select, put out a single titled Hanging Out in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty four. The song did not do very well,

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<v Speaker 1>but the B side, Roxanne Roxanne, a song about a

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<v Speaker 1>woman who would not respond to their advances, gained much

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<v Speaker 1>attention on airplay. As the story goes, soon after, fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old Lolita Chante Gooden was walking outside of the

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<v Speaker 1>Queensbridge Housing Project in New York City when she heard

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<v Speaker 1>Tyrone Williams, Discjackie Mister Magic, and record producer Marley Marril

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how UTFO would cancel to show that the

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<v Speaker 1>men had promoted. Gooden offered to record a hip hop

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<v Speaker 1>song that would exact revenge on UTFO. The original street

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<v Speaker 1>version was entirely freestyled by Gooden in one seven minute

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<v Speaker 1>long take and recorded on BHS tape in Marl's apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>The beats were copied from an instrumental version of Roxanne Roxanne.

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<v Speaker 1>The recording was pressed onto one hundred initial copies that

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<v Speaker 1>were rushed into distribution on the street in late nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty four, with Gooden billed as Roxanne Shante. It was

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<v Speaker 1>grabbed up by Select Records because nobody does that better

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<v Speaker 1>than Fred, and re recorded without the profanity. It became

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<v Speaker 1>answer to its popularity, Utfo and Full Force released The

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<v Speaker 1>Real roxand their own antwer record. This response song became

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<v Speaker 1>hop record releases. It was not directly aimed at Roxanne Chante,

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<v Speaker 1>but used Elease Jack as the real Roxand this title

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<v Speaker 1>was soon turned over to an Adelaide Adelaida Martinez. And

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<v Speaker 1>here's a quote from the Real Roxand aka Adelaida Martinez.

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<v Speaker 1>Ironically enough, I met I briefly met doc Ice and

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<v Speaker 1>Kangle at the Albee Square Mall in Brooklyn, and like

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<v Speaker 1>Roxanne Shanty, I paid them no mine when they tried

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<v Speaker 1>to get their rap on. All this was taking place

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<v Speaker 1>while Paul Anthony and I were just becoming friends. Full

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<v Speaker 1>Forest was looking for someone to play the permanent role

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<v Speaker 1>of Roxanne, even though they had already cut the track

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<v Speaker 1>with someone they picked out of a club that would

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<v Speaker 1>have been at least Jack, whom, by the way, had

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely no rap experience. They utilized her for an answer

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<v Speaker 1>back to outbage Roxanne's Shanta's track. It seemed that while

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<v Speaker 1>with this individual and her mother. So I was told that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when I was told, and that's when I asked.

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<v Speaker 1>the guys, and I said sure, and I did, and

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<v Speaker 1>from there I kept on walking in the shoes of

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<v Speaker 1>the Real Roxanne. So some of these answer songs in

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<v Speaker 1>the Roxanne Wars were Sparky's Turn, Roxanne, Ye're Through by

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<v Speaker 1>Sparky De Roxanne's Doctor, The Real Man by Doctor fresh Do,

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<v Speaker 1>The Roxanne by Doctor rox and Company. The Parents of

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<v Speaker 1>Roxanne by gigelow Tony and Lacey Lace. I'm Lil Roxanne

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<v Speaker 1>Wars mostly ended with the release of the final word

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<v Speaker 1>the trend. The Roxanne Wars created the careers of many rappers,

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<v Speaker 1>and Sparky d so uh so so. Well, let's hear

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<v Speaker 1>the song this is. Let me just say that it's long.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a rough recording. I fuck with Brian over this

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<v Speaker 1>because he dipally played this version. It's pretty hard to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to. We don't have to listen to the whole thing,

425
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<v Speaker 1>and you'll see why.

426
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<v Speaker 15>Video Music Box continues with one of the hottest lady

427
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<v Speaker 15>rappers on the music scene. He is rock sand Shante

428
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<v Speaker 15>and rock Sands Revenge.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, my name is back band.

430
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I just abackau funny and I do

431
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<v Speaker 3>this said I'm gonna see you guys, and you know

432
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:57.240
<v Speaker 3>it's to let me tell you and explain them all

433
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<v Speaker 3>to you.

434
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<v Speaker 10>I'm gonna just do with the.

435
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<v Speaker 7>Name of a hen. I didn't even walk away.

436
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<v Speaker 6>I didn't.

437
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<v Speaker 9>You don't know that.

438
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<v Speaker 3>But then he got real man, and he got a

439
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<v Speaker 3>little tired. If he wasn't for me too, you know,

440
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:08.599
<v Speaker 3>he would be fined. He wouldn't a can't go and

441
00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:10.960
<v Speaker 3>that is cute, But he ain't like that money, and

442
00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:12.800
<v Speaker 3>he ain't got the lute. And every time that I

443
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.559
<v Speaker 3>see him, he's always abegging at all the other girls

444
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:16.519
<v Speaker 3>that he's always trying.

445
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:16.679
<v Speaker 8>To leg it.

446
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:19.199
<v Speaker 3>Every time that I see him, he said, rose, he

447
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:21.960
<v Speaker 3>compared to me, just we compared to mine. Every time

448
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:23.840
<v Speaker 3>that I know that, I am saying, it's the profession

449
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:24.960
<v Speaker 3>in any charactery.

450
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:26.000
<v Speaker 6>I can see this the best.

451
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:28.079
<v Speaker 3>At every time that I said that ain't nothing. And

452
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:30.440
<v Speaker 3>let you and everybody you know I will with think

453
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:33.519
<v Speaker 3>God said. And after that and the educated rapper, this

454
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:35.199
<v Speaker 3>thing is started to slam them in my hands like

455
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<v Speaker 3>a flam But every time that I see him, everything

456
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:39.679
<v Speaker 3>he say, he rockets to the beata and he come

457
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:41.360
<v Speaker 3>to this pa. He said that, yeah, you know, your

458
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:42.760
<v Speaker 3>mother's a name is Mary.

459
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:44.960
<v Speaker 7>Everywhere I've heard because your father is up there.

460
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:47.480
<v Speaker 3>But every time I see him, he's saying it's something new.

461
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:49.760
<v Speaker 7>But let me explain to him what you should do.

462
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.840
<v Speaker 3>You should be like me if I MC don't never

463
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<v Speaker 3>have the bite, will always write, I have the Fascius

464
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:58.639
<v Speaker 3>mom that I do recite and after that again know

465
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<v Speaker 3>what's true.

466
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<v Speaker 1>But let me tell you. So that was the start

467
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:08.920
<v Speaker 1>of the Roxanne Wars. And that was Roxanne Shade. The

468
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Roxanne that I worked with that Select Records was the

469
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:18.559
<v Speaker 1>real Roxanne aka Adelaida Martinez. She was very young and

470
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:21.639
<v Speaker 1>very pretty, and she was a girl from the hood.

471
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:25.159
<v Speaker 1>She had two children at a very early age. The

472
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:30.679
<v Speaker 1>art director had Select and my best friend there took

473
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:34.079
<v Speaker 1>Roxanne under her wing and acted as her stylist for

474
00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:36.920
<v Speaker 1>photo and video shoots. And I called my friend Amy

475
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Lys and I just to check some details that I

476
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:42.519
<v Speaker 1>was confused about, because this is confusing. I wanted to

477
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:44.800
<v Speaker 1>make sure I had the right Roxanne in all these

478
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:49.280
<v Speaker 1>different scenarios. And two hours later, we're still talking and

479
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:53.039
<v Speaker 1>now we're getting together. So I'm glad I decided to

480
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:59.000
<v Speaker 1>use this song. The real Roxanne aka Adelaida Martinez went

481
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<v Speaker 1>on to record many records on Select, one single being

482
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<v Speaker 1>respect which sampled the Arretha Franklin song, and also Rodney

483
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:12.639
<v Speaker 1>Dangerfield and another popular so I actually played that a

484
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:17.519
<v Speaker 1>long long time ago on this show. And another one

485
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:20.519
<v Speaker 1>which was Bang Zoom Let's Go Go with hit Man

486
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:24.199
<v Speaker 1>Howie Tea that peaked at number twenty four on the

487
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<v Speaker 1>R and B charts, and that was the Roxanne Wars.

488
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<v Speaker 6>I think that was fascinating, and I think that minute

489
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<v Speaker 6>clip was more than enough of.

490
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.400
<v Speaker 5>I was going to say that that was the audio

491
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<v Speaker 5>equivalent of a Migraine headache.

492
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<v Speaker 4>Yea, her voice is just a tad Yeah, yeah it is.

493
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<v Speaker 1>I just love the fact that it's so raw, and

494
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<v Speaker 1>I love the fact that she's fourteen. And if she

495
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<v Speaker 1>did that in one take, that's pretty impressive because it

496
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:57.679
<v Speaker 1>goes on a lot longer than we listen to it.

497
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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I would say she's very talented. Yeah, I could

498
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:06.599
<v Speaker 7>never do that, do that and without flubbing over my

499
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:09.000
<v Speaker 7>own words. Oh yeah, there's no way.

500
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but she she's not the real rock Sande. It

501
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:16.840
<v Speaker 1>was the one that I knew who has better voice,

502
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:21.360
<v Speaker 1>but a little bit older and more mature at that point.

503
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<v Speaker 6>All right, cool, thank you, Mercedes Barbara. What do you

504
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:27.519
<v Speaker 6>have for us?

505
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<v Speaker 7>Something almost exactly like what you've heard? No kidding? Oh

506
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:38.719
<v Speaker 7>all right, Well, my song choice for tonight's topic is

507
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:44.360
<v Speaker 7>pop hates the Beatles but Alan Sherman, And I gotta say,

508
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:49.360
<v Speaker 7>there's a crime taking place here, and the crime is

509
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:51.639
<v Speaker 7>that I don't really have to tell you who the

510
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:54.480
<v Speaker 7>Beatles were, but I do have to tell you about

511
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:55.239
<v Speaker 7>Alan Sherman.

512
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<v Speaker 5>Well, I've heard of him, but who's who are these

513
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:03.320
<v Speaker 5>beetle beatle these beetle guys?

514
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<v Speaker 9>Really?

515
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<v Speaker 7>So Sherman is mostly known for composing and performing parody

516
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:17.519
<v Speaker 7>and comedy music. He was born Alan Copelon on November thirtieth,

517
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<v Speaker 7>nineteen twenty four. He was the son of an auto

518
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:27.679
<v Speaker 7>mechanic slash race car driver father who suffered from obesity,

519
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:32.320
<v Speaker 7>weighing over three hundred and fifty pounds. And I don't

520
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:33.800
<v Speaker 7>know what this means, but a.

521
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:35.559
<v Speaker 1>Race car, he was in a race car. Three.

522
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<v Speaker 7>It was a race car.

523
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<v Speaker 4>How do you even do that?

524
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:42.280
<v Speaker 1>Do you even get in it or out?

525
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<v Speaker 7>I did not research that carefully, nor did I research

526
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:55.840
<v Speaker 7>nor did I research the following statement. His father died

527
00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:58.760
<v Speaker 7>while attempting a one hundred day diet, So I don't

528
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:01.119
<v Speaker 7>know what that even means. And I really didn't want

529
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:05.199
<v Speaker 7>to go down that big ass rabbit hole there. So

530
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:10.559
<v Speaker 7>as a child, Sherman and family moved around a lot

531
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<v Speaker 7>and attended twenty one different public schools.

532
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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

533
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:19.119
<v Speaker 7>He eventually was admitted to the University of Illinois and

534
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:22.840
<v Speaker 7>contributed to a humor column on the school paper, but

535
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:28.320
<v Speaker 7>he was later expelled for breaking into a sobriety house.

536
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh my, so doesn't that happen all the time on

537
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:34.760
<v Speaker 1>college campuses?

538
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:40.760
<v Speaker 7>I guess, I guess so, Sherman devised the TV game

539
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:45.079
<v Speaker 7>show I've Got a Secret, which ran from nineteen fifty

540
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:46.760
<v Speaker 7>two to nineteen sixty seven.

541
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

542
00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:52.360
<v Speaker 7>It was broadcast live, and Sherman was fond of televising

543
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:57.400
<v Speaker 7>large scale stunts on the show and clashed with anyone

544
00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:03.280
<v Speaker 7>who didn't agree with his shall we say creativity. One

545
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:09.360
<v Speaker 7>of these particular stunts involved the Madison Square Boys Club,

546
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:14.800
<v Speaker 7>seated in the studio audience and a special Easter surprise.

547
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:18.360
<v Speaker 7>So they were all called up on stage and about

548
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:20.199
<v Speaker 7>one hundred bunnies were released.

549
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:21.480
<v Speaker 4>Oh Man.

550
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:27.119
<v Speaker 7>Chaos ensued, but show host Gary Moore took it upon

551
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:31.559
<v Speaker 7>himself to ensure the safety of the bunnies good and

552
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:36.400
<v Speaker 7>nearly all the boys ended up giving the rabbits back. So.

553
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:40.559
<v Speaker 7>Sherman began writing song parodies in nineteen fifty two, but

554
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:45.559
<v Speaker 7>did not achieve much success until he was invited to

555
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:49.360
<v Speaker 7>perform them at parties thrown by his next door neighbor

556
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:51.480
<v Speaker 7>Harpbow Marx.

557
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:54.440
<v Speaker 4>Oh, how nice.

558
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<v Speaker 7>I have to tell you how much I enjoyed researching this.

559
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<v Speaker 7>I've feature Alan Sherman numerous times on my show, and

560
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:04.119
<v Speaker 7>I always get a kick out of all these little

561
00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:07.880
<v Speaker 7>fact toys and all these details and I'm so happy

562
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.280
<v Speaker 7>to read this and share this with you all. So

563
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:16.159
<v Speaker 7>these parties were attended by Marx's show business friends, and

564
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:21.800
<v Speaker 7>after one particular performance, party goer George Burns made a

565
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:25.960
<v Speaker 7>phone call to an executive at Warner Brothers and convinced

566
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:31.079
<v Speaker 7>him to sign Sherman to a contract. This resulted in

567
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:36.119
<v Speaker 7>the nineteen sixty two release of Sherman's first album, My Son,

568
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:40.079
<v Speaker 7>the Folk Singer, my very first comedy album. I was

569
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:42.119
<v Speaker 7>gifted it by my aunt when I was about six

570
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:46.840
<v Speaker 7>years old, and I listened to it over and over

571
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:51.159
<v Speaker 7>and over again. I got in trouble in he was

572
00:41:51.239 --> 00:42:00.760
<v Speaker 7>school for singing Glory, Glory, Harry Lewis. Let's just leave

573
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:05.400
<v Speaker 7>it there. So. Sherman's second album, My Son the Nut,

574
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:08.880
<v Speaker 7>featured the famous track Hello mauta hella Fata, which most

575
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:12.320
<v Speaker 7>of us know, and this particular song reach number two

576
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:15.480
<v Speaker 7>for three straight weeks on the Billboard Hot one hundred.

577
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:20.760
<v Speaker 7>In nineteen sixty three. Sherman himself was parodied by performer

578
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:24.800
<v Speaker 7>Stanley Ralph Ross, who released an album called My Son

579
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:29.559
<v Speaker 7>the Copycat, featuring an album cover depicting a crossed out

580
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:36.880
<v Speaker 7>picture of Sherman. By nineteen sixty four, Sherman's success began

581
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:44.159
<v Speaker 7>to decline, largely due to the British invasion. His answer

582
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:48.079
<v Speaker 7>to this was to record Pop Hates the Beatles, the

583
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<v Speaker 7>first track on side too of the nineteen sixty four

584
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:54.159
<v Speaker 7>album for Swinging Livers Only.

585
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<v Speaker 1>That'll stop all this nonsense, so let's check it out.

586
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<v Speaker 16>My daughter needs a new phonograph. She wore out all

587
00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:07.280
<v Speaker 16>the needles. Besides, I broke the old one in half.

588
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:14.800
<v Speaker 16>I hate the Beatles, she says. They have a Liverpool beat.

589
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:18.840
<v Speaker 16>She says they used to play there, four nice kids

590
00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:22.679
<v Speaker 16>from off of the street. Why didn't they stay there?

591
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:31.239
<v Speaker 16>What is all the screaming about fainting and swooning? Sounds

592
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:36.840
<v Speaker 16>to me like their guitars could use a little tuning.

593
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:42.079
<v Speaker 16>The boys are from the British Empire. The British think

594
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:46.719
<v Speaker 16>they're keen, if that is what the British desire. God

595
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:55.679
<v Speaker 16>saved the Queen. No daughter of mine can push me

596
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:59.719
<v Speaker 16>around in my house. I'm the master. But when the

597
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:08.159
<v Speaker 16>Beetles came into town, gad, what a disaster. Little girls

598
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:12.559
<v Speaker 16>and sneakers and jeans destroyed the terror Tory. Twas like

599
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:20.639
<v Speaker 16>some of the Gorrier scenes from West Side story. Of course,

600
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:22.480
<v Speaker 16>my daughter had to go there.

601
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:23.599
<v Speaker 17>The tickets are.

602
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:25.159
<v Speaker 6>Cheap, she hollers.

603
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:28.760
<v Speaker 16>I was able to pick up a pair for forty

604
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:35.920
<v Speaker 16>seven dollars. When the beetles come on the stage, they

605
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:39.800
<v Speaker 16>scream and shriek and cheer them. Now I know why

606
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:49.519
<v Speaker 16>they're such a rage. It's impossible to hear them. Ringo

607
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:52.519
<v Speaker 16>is the one with the drum. The uh there's all

608
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:55.960
<v Speaker 16>play with them. It shows you what a boy can

609
00:44:56.000 --> 00:45:03.119
<v Speaker 16>become without a sense of rhythm. There's be little books

610
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:06.519
<v Speaker 16>and t shirts and rings and one thing and another.

611
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:10.280
<v Speaker 16>To buy my daughter all of these things. I had

612
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:17.719
<v Speaker 16>to sell her brother. Back in seventeen seventy six, we

613
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:23.480
<v Speaker 16>fought the British. Then, folks, parents of America, It's time

614
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:29.719
<v Speaker 16>to do it again, folks. When they come back. Here's

615
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:34.079
<v Speaker 16>how we'll begin. We'll throw them in Boston Harbor. But please,

616
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.119
<v Speaker 16>before we toss them all in, let's take them to

617
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<v Speaker 16>a barber.

618
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<v Speaker 7>Okay, well, first off, forty seven dollars, am I right?

619
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<v Speaker 5>That's cheap?

620
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:57.159
<v Speaker 6>Test Imaginally that's a drink. Couple bok's a drink.

621
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<v Speaker 11>I look this up.

622
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<v Speaker 7>Okay, so you and have to thank me later. Forty

623
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<v Speaker 7>seven dollars by today's standards, forty seven dollars in nineteen

624
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:10.239
<v Speaker 7>sixty four today is four hundred and eighty seven dollars

625
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:11.679
<v Speaker 7>and thirty eight cents.

626
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:13.000
<v Speaker 6>That's pretty accurate.

627
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:14.599
<v Speaker 1>And that's for two tickets.

628
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:15.719
<v Speaker 7>That's for two tickets.

629
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:18.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it actually sounds still chap.

630
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<v Speaker 7>It's such about right actually to see the bills, to

631
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:24.400
<v Speaker 7>see well, if he knows bleed seats whatever you know

632
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:26.320
<v Speaker 7>in nineteen sixty four.

633
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah.

634
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<v Speaker 10>So.

635
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:32.519
<v Speaker 7>Unfortunately, Sherman's recordings from nineteen sixty four on never charted,

636
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:36.559
<v Speaker 7>and he was released from his contract by Warner Brothers.

637
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:41.079
<v Speaker 7>In nineteen sixty six, he performed live in Australia and

638
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:44.960
<v Speaker 7>sang a parody of Molly Malone, not realizing that his

639
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<v Speaker 7>use of the word but butt in the song would

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<v Speaker 7>go over the heads of his audience members, who use

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<v Speaker 7>the term bomb instead. However, he did sign it, end

642
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<v Speaker 7>up signing at least one autograph. In nineteen sixty nine,

643
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<v Speaker 7>Sherman wrote the book, book and the lyrics for the

644
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<v Speaker 7>flop Broadway musical The fig Leaves Are Falling, which starred

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<v Speaker 7>Barry Nelson, Dorothy Louden, and David Cassidy. In nineteen seventy one.

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<v Speaker 7>He was the voice of Doctor Seuss's The Cat in

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<v Speaker 7>the Hat for the animated TV special and later for

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<v Speaker 7>Doctor Seuss on the Loose. Unfortunately, Sherman's health began to

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<v Speaker 7>deteriorate due to alcoholism, weight gain, diabetes, and lung disease,

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<v Speaker 7>and he died on November twentieth, nineteen seventy three, just

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<v Speaker 7>ten day shy of his forty ninth birthday, while entertaining

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<v Speaker 7>friends at his Los Angeles home. Although Sherman's success, like

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<v Speaker 7>his life, was fleeting, Sherman inspired many modern day parody artists,

654
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<v Speaker 7>like Weird Al, who paid tribute to Sherman on his

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<v Speaker 7>self titled first album, on the cover of which can

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<v Speaker 7>be seen a cartoon awl, and an Alan Sherman record album.

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<v Speaker 7>Sherman and his work have been referenced in popular culture

658
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<v Speaker 7>like The Simpsons, and his songs have been covered by

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<v Speaker 7>bands such as The Misfits and The Capitol Steps, thus

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<v Speaker 7>leaving behind a lasting legacy. I Love you, Alan Sherman.

661
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<v Speaker 5>Was great.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that was funny. Poor ringo.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow.

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<v Speaker 6>All right, thanks Bob. One more quick break and we

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<v Speaker 6>have one more selection to go, so stick around.

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<v Speaker 10>Hudson Riverradio dot.

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<v Speaker 6>Com Hudson Riverradio dot Com. All right, so mine is

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<v Speaker 6>super short this week, so let's just jump in. I

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<v Speaker 6>went with Stuck in the Middle with You by Steelers

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<v Speaker 6>Wheels sometimes just known as Stuck in the Middle. Steelers

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<v Speaker 6>Wheels were a Scottish folk rock band formed by Jerry

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<v Speaker 6>Rafferty on guitar and vocals and Joe Egan on keyboards

673
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<v Speaker 6>back in nineteen seventy two. Their lineup by the time

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<v Speaker 6>they got a record contract included Paul Pilnick on lead guitar,

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<v Speaker 6>Rod Koombs on drums, and Tony Williams on bass. Tony

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<v Speaker 6>Williams also played bass for Jethro Tull, which I was

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<v Speaker 6>gonna tease John about, but he's not here tonight, so

678
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<v Speaker 6>we'll have to make up some Jethro tell something later.

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<v Speaker 6>This song was their only big hit. They had a

680
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<v Speaker 6>few couple blips after, but they wound up splitting up

681
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<v Speaker 6>in nineteen seventy five and they each went on to

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<v Speaker 6>successful solo careers. Rafferty would later be known for his

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<v Speaker 6>solo career hits Baker.

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<v Speaker 4>Street and I Love that song, oh My, and.

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<v Speaker 6>Right down the Line, which I think I might actually

686
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<v Speaker 6>like better.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh I Love that idea.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. He died of liver failure back in twenty eleven

689
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<v Speaker 6>after just a lifetime of heavy drinking. He was sixty three.

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<v Speaker 6>Egan died just last year, twenty twenty four, after having

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<v Speaker 6>a stroke. He had already left the music business by

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<v Speaker 6>the nineteen nineties. Stuck in the Middle was least in

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<v Speaker 6>nineteen seventy three and was a top ten hit in

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<v Speaker 6>the US and the UK and many other countries around

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<v Speaker 6>the world. It sold over a million copies. It was

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<v Speaker 6>produced by Jerry Lieber and Mike Stoler, names that we

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<v Speaker 6>should recognize. They wrote and produced a ton of early

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<v Speaker 6>rock and roll hits like Hound Dogs, stand By Me,

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<v Speaker 6>Kansas City, and the list goes on and on and on.

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<v Speaker 6>So I would say the magic touch probably had something

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<v Speaker 6>to do with the success of the song. The song

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<v Speaker 6>itself got a second life when Quentin Tarantino used it

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<v Speaker 6>in the nineteen ninety two film Reservoir Dogs. I could

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<v Speaker 6>not make it past the first ten minutes of I

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<v Speaker 6>am just not a Quentin Tarantino fan. It just does

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<v Speaker 6>not click with me.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm probably I was going to say that this group,

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<v Speaker 5>that's what the song reminds me of the scene that

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<v Speaker 5>they play this.

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<v Speaker 6>And yeah tortures.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 6>Just I don't know, and now you guys feel about it.

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<v Speaker 6>I just I've tried pulp fiction was okay, which I

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<v Speaker 6>might get beat up for saying that, but I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Not here.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah you agree, Yeah, you're the resident movie expert, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>give me your opinion. But yeah, I'm just yeah, not

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<v Speaker 6>my thing. So what is Stuck in the Middle actually about. Well,

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<v Speaker 6>the song is a spoof about being stuck at a

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<v Speaker 6>music industry cocktail party where you are the center of attention.

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<v Speaker 6>Clowns to the left of me, jokers.

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<v Speaker 17>To the right.

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<v Speaker 6>Here, I am stuck in the middle with you. That's amazing, right,

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<v Speaker 6>references being getting worried about being so drunk you're going

725
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<v Speaker 6>to fall down the stairs, worried about people just wanting

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<v Speaker 6>stuff from you. The line please please please in the

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<v Speaker 6>middle of the song, it's just people just coming to

728
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<v Speaker 6>you because they want stuff because you're famous. Now, the

729
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<v Speaker 6>singing style, well, that was a spoof on Bob Dylan.

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<v Speaker 6>So the song is kind of a whole spoof on

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<v Speaker 6>Bob Dylan because he was kind of known for being

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<v Speaker 6>a little bit paranoid at these type of events. Because

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<v Speaker 6>he was so famous and people always wanted stuff from him,

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<v Speaker 6>and I guess he really didn't want to be there,

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<v Speaker 6>and you can't really blame him. In fact, a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of listeners when the song first came out, thought it

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<v Speaker 6>was Bob Dylan singing this song, but it's not. They

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<v Speaker 6>were just kind of spoofing on him. So let's go

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<v Speaker 6>to a cocktail party, lift your beverage, and let's listen

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<v Speaker 6>to Stuck in the Middle.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, don't curio you tonight. I gotta feeling something right.

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<v Speaker 14>I'm so scared of kids.

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<v Speaker 4>I phone of my chair.

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<v Speaker 14>I don't want to get down the stairs. Clowns did

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<v Speaker 14>letting me?

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<v Speaker 4>Joke us to the right here.

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<v Speaker 14>I am stucking middle with you. You so I'm stuck

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<v Speaker 14>in middle with you. Want what it is I should do?

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<v Speaker 14>It's so hard to keep the smile from my face,

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<v Speaker 14>lose some joey am.

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<v Speaker 11>All over the place. Clowns to the left of me.

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<v Speaker 14>Joke is to the right here.

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<v Speaker 11>I am not getting middle with you.

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<v Speaker 5>We just dying.

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<v Speaker 14>I would not let your bother tell myself it now.

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<v Speaker 11>And your family I'll go sad me I'm a bag and.

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<v Speaker 18>Say trying to make some sense of it all, but

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<v Speaker 18>I can see here is no sense at all?

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<v Speaker 10>Is it cool?

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<v Speaker 17>The wall steep bottom block, and I'm saying that I can.

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<v Speaker 11>Take anymore.

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<v Speaker 17>Clowns to the letting me joke gets to the right here.

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<v Speaker 1>I am stuck getting riddle with you.

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<v Speaker 11>I just started.

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<v Speaker 14>I was loving and your brother you're selling now.

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<v Speaker 2>And your family.

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<v Speaker 11>I was coming save I'm a back.

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<v Speaker 4>And say.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, don't I carry you to night.

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<v Speaker 14>I had a fear.

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<v Speaker 17>Of something right, I'm so scared. I kiss, I followed

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<v Speaker 17>my chattle longer. Get on the stairs bos the leather

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<v Speaker 17>Joe gets to the right here.

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<v Speaker 11>I am can a little in you because you you,

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<v Speaker 11>you am with you.

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<v Speaker 6>You could hear some Dylan in there. You could see

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<v Speaker 6>kind of.

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<v Speaker 5>Why oh yeah, and it fit right into the what

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<v Speaker 5>he was kind of doing. I guess around that time

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<v Speaker 5>the sound was the same. Yeah. Yeah, But I had

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<v Speaker 5>heard that you mentioned his pension for every creation, that

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<v Speaker 5>that's either stealers wheel or he himself. When he was

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<v Speaker 5>a solo, he never toured because they they couldn't get

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<v Speaker 5>him to go because he was drunk all the time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I heard this. I don't know, you know if it's

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<v Speaker 5>true or not, but this is what I was told,

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<v Speaker 5>you know.

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<v Speaker 6>So right, well, it would make sense, unfortunately, Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 6>you know, producing a whole concert even back then. Nowadays

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<v Speaker 6>it's ten times the amount of gear and people. But

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<v Speaker 6>even back then, you know, selling tickets and booking a

792
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<v Speaker 6>venue and have your guy not show up, that's problem.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, no show, showing a lot of money.

795
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<v Speaker 6>Whether he shows up or not, you got to spend it.

796
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<v Speaker 6>You're paying everybody, you're yeah, if you're I don't know

797
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<v Speaker 6>if he would refund at that point, but I guess

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<v Speaker 6>you would have to. What else can you do?

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<v Speaker 1>So all right?

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<v Speaker 6>Is that enough disan for a night? I think Ringo

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<v Speaker 6>got Ringo and Don Henley got it the worst.

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<v Speaker 7>I think I'm so disenchanted.

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<v Speaker 6>We should come up with something nicer to do with

804
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<v Speaker 6>some week at some point, but not yet, not yet,

805
00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:10.519
<v Speaker 6>some other time. We'll drag things along a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't know where there are any songs where

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<v Speaker 4>artists fanboy or fangirl.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh tons, Yeah, absolutely, that's it. That's a good one.

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<v Speaker 6>We could look into that for now. Let's pull the

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<v Speaker 6>plug before it goes off the rails. Right, Good job, Crambones,

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you. For your selection and all your hard work,

812
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<v Speaker 6>and as always, thank you all for joining us here

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<v Speaker 6>for the rock and Roll History Show. Don't forget to

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<v Speaker 6>subscribe in your favorite podcast app and check out all

815
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<v Speaker 6>the other shows we do at Hudson River Radio. There

816
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<v Speaker 6>is something for everybody. We'll be back next week with

817
00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:44.280
<v Speaker 6>something we don't know what yet, we will figure it

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<v Speaker 6>out as we always do. Till then, have a great weekend,

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<v Speaker 6>Be safe and peace out everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>A rock cop Bottom and Cram Okay the bye

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<v Speaker 6>Hudson River Radio dot com the best thing to happen

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