WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.439 --> 00:00:05.919 You weren't very excited when I laid on my idea 2 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:09.400 about the bumps today, when I said, hey, let's go, 3 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:11.480 let's do a little jam band. Just do a little 4 00:00:11.519 --> 00:00:14.320 Northeast style jam band. Now this is the Grateful Dead. 5 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:17.719 But today I need a little I need a little guster. 6 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:19.359 I want a little fish, I want a little string 7 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:21.760 cheese incident. You could throw a little Dave in. You know, 8 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:24.640 Dave technically is a jam band. You didn't seem very 9 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:25.839 enthused about my idea. 10 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:27.320 They've definitely a jam ban. 11 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:31.320 There was tone there. What was the tone? There was 12 00:00:31.399 --> 00:00:34.159 tone there? Watch your tone? 13 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:34.920 How do I put this? 14 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:36.079 Just put it kindly. 15 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:38.679 I like most jam bands, and in fact, I'm a 16 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:41.600 big fan of the Dead, much like our next Guest album. 17 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:50.119 But but there is a time when the song could end. 18 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:53.000 I didn't say we're gonna do a little psilocybin in 19 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:56.280 talk in for a seventeen minute guster guitar solo. 20 00:00:56.759 --> 00:00:58.280 They're bumps. They're thirty seconds. 21 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:02.320 I know, so for bumps we're doing great. But just 22 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:03.479 my overall. 23 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:09.079 Thoughts, you're not wrong. Kyle vone gera definite jam band fan. 24 00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:11.040 I'm gonna go out on a limb Kyle and say 25 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:13.200 you enjoy a good jam band, I. 26 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:15.879 Would say, generally speak, I'm very specific to you the 27 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:18.120 Grateful Dead, I don't. I don't venture out much but 28 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:21.640 beyond beyond them. So that's kind of where I sit 29 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:23.280 on the whole conversation of jampans. 30 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:26.719 All right, fair enough, we can move on immediately, all right, Kyle, 31 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:30.319 So ultimately on the show yesterday and to start the 32 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:33.719 show today, we've been discussing kind of the fallout from 33 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:38.959 the Matthew Sluka Nil dispute with UNLV And after the 34 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:41.280 show last night, I got a couple of messages from 35 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:43.000 some people to work up at the U, and it's 36 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:47.120 just pretty clear that nobody knows what they're doing. But 37 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:49.680 this one kind of sent shock waves across the landscape 38 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:51.560 of college football. What's what's your take on how this 39 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:52.200 all went down. 40 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:56.280 I think it's kind of a window into what is 41 00:01:56.319 --> 00:01:58.879 wrong with the system and kind of what's going to 42 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:01.439 be possible in the true I think we'll see more 43 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:03.640 of this, not exactly how how this one played out, 44 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:06.120 but I do think you're gonna see more kids leaving 45 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:08.919 at this at this stage of the year. You know, 46 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:11.560 my understanding is like, look, it's the offensive coordinator made 47 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:13.919 a verbal offer of you know, a we can get 48 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:16.120 you one hundred thousand dollars, but it wasn't really a 49 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:18.520 formal deal. It sounded like maybe it was just in conversation, 50 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:21.840 and then there was no real follow up. Yeah, I 51 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:23.520 think we're still kind of waiting on more of those 52 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:25.719 details and to like show it to me and writing like, 53 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:28.479 let's let's get a better sense of what really happened. 54 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:30.520 And then look, if you're the kid and you are 55 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:32.680 one hundred percent under the impression that you're getting one 56 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:35.319 hundred thousand dollars and you don't get if you put 57 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:36.919 yourself in the in the kid's shoes, you could be 58 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:39.560 you could understand why he would be upset if he's 59 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:41.840 under the impression he's going to get a hundred thousand dollars. 60 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:43.759 But if you're the coach and you don't know the 61 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:47.479 deal exists, you could also understand while they are, uh, 62 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:50.080 you know, kind of pissed off by this whole situation 63 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:52.800 as well the collective if they weren't looped in. It's 64 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:56.599 it's really just, you know, really poor communication all the 65 00:02:56.599 --> 00:02:59.120 way around. And I'm having a really tough time trying 66 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:02.599 to figure out who's faultier other than the NCAA and 67 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:05.039 kind of letting the sport get to this point because 68 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:07.520 there's just not a clear process for you. 69 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:09.400 Know, Kyle, it's kind of I was just thinking about 70 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:12.280 this tongue in cheek as a as a big college 71 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:14.280 basketball fan, dating all the way back to you know, 72 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:17.479 the nineties. It's kind of ironic that it's UNLV that's 73 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:20.280 not paying their players correctly because they were like the 74 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:23.919 school under Tark that paid everybody and didn't really back, 75 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:25.039 you know, shy away from it. 76 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:28.639 Yeah. That's the funny thing, right, is that UNLV is 77 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:30.800 the school with his reputation of being able to make 78 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:32.960 these shady deals, and now that it's legal for them 79 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:34.800 to be the school that's having trouble with it is 80 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:37.199 certainly a kind of a funny development. 81 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:40.319 Sure, And speaking of a funny development, I asked you 82 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:43.400 and probably ten other college football guests, Hey, do you 83 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.639 think there's any shot in do you think there's any 84 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:50.879 shot any chance that the PAC twelve falls enough wrongs, 85 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:54.599 falls down enough wrongs after trying to you know, recruit 86 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:58.000 schools to their conference that they land on Utah State right, 87 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:02.439 and you know, everybody said no chance, right, and so 88 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:05.439 obviously things have changed, and you guys have been great 89 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:08.400 with this over at the dot com side of things. 90 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:10.319 What do you make of where we find ourselves now 91 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:12.520 with the PAC twelve And how surprised are you that 92 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:15.520 Utah State found their way to get an invite? 93 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:18.600 Yeah, it's been a crazy couple of days for me 94 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:21.120 tracking all this stuff and having those conversations to try 95 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:24.959 to figure out what's going on behind the scenes. If 96 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:26.720 you asked me a month ago if if Uta State 97 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:29.279 would be in the PAC twelve, certainly would have been surprised, right, 98 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:32.000 But you know when it happened, I was kind of 99 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:35.199 expecting it because they were the next they were next up. 100 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:39.319 Once those AA schools all passed, it was pretty clear 101 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:41.199 that Utah State was going to be in the you know, 102 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:43.439 in the crossairs of the PAC twelve, so to speak, right, 103 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:46.120 And I think you know, when I was gaming it 104 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:49.959 out the AA school the AAC schools that passed like that, 105 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:52.439 that didn't surprise me at all because the amount of 106 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:53.959 money that the PAC twelve was going to be able 107 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:56.839 to offer them to entice them to leave, it was 108 00:04:56.879 --> 00:04:59.560 a gamble without a real media deal. You know, with 109 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:01.600 the signals buyouts that they were gonna have to pay 110 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:05.079 to leave, there was not a guarantee that that situation 111 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:07.360 was going to be a whole lot better. So, you know, 112 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:11.040 once you started looking at the numbers, it kind of 113 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:12.920 made sense that Utah State ended up there. 114 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:15.519 What do you make of the decision for both the Air 115 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:18.160 Force and UNLV to stand pat stay in the Mound 116 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:20.079 West Conference as opposed to jump ship. 117 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:24.199 It's it's it's really similar to the decision the aa 118 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:27.519 AAC schools made. The Pactal just wasn't able to offer 119 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:31.160 them enough money to justify what they were going to 120 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:32.959 be getting from the Mountain West. You know, I don't 121 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:35.920 have the numbers nailed down, but there is a significant 122 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:39.560 financial incentive being provided by the Mountain West to stay 123 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:41.480 in the conference. You know, this is kind of a 124 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:45.560 more of a short term deal, right, and that just 125 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:47.920 made it worth their while. You're gonna look at those 126 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:50.560 schools now, you're gonna have a chance to you know, 127 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:53.079 be at the top of that conference for you know whatever. 128 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:55.600 It looks like it certainly won't have the appearance of 129 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:58.199 a very strong football conference, but they'll have this you know, 130 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:00.720 call it twenty twenty five, thirty million dollars from the 131 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:03.480 Mountain West. That was only possible because of the exit 132 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:05.959 fees that the other schools in the Mountain West were 133 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:09.040 responsible to leave, right, and so they could either go 134 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:12.240 be the eighth team in the PAC twelve. You know, 135 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:14.519 the PAC twelve kind of made it clear early on 136 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:17.000 that they didn't believe that un LB should be a 137 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:19.720 part of that first wave. So you could either be 138 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:22.160 the eighth school in this new look PAC twelve, which 139 00:06:22.199 --> 00:06:24.240 still isn't a power conference, or you could kind of 140 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.639 be the you know, the top of the heap in 141 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:29.639 this new mountain, new look Mountain West with all the 142 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:33.560 money that they've they've been incentivized with to stay. So, yeah, 143 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:36.439 it's a it's it's an interesting dynamic, and you know, 144 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:38.519 there's still a lot more moveing that has to happen 145 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:41.360 because both conferences are still below the minimum threshold to 146 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:44.639 be to be a conference by NCAA bylaws. 147 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:46.160 And that's where I wanted to follow up. Both need 148 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:49.600 add one more member institution. Any thoughts on who those 149 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:50.240 schools could be? 150 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:52.720 Yeah, that's what I've been spending the day trying to 151 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:55.920 figure out and there's not a real consensus yet. I 152 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:57.600 mean they think if you game it out, there's a 153 00:06:57.800 --> 00:06:59.920 you know, a couple of places you go Texas State, 154 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:02.959 you know, other Conference USA schools, I mean New Mexico 155 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:07.000 State to the Mountain West, makes makes some sense. Utah 156 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:09.279 is a school that you know, look, they don't have 157 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:11.360 much in the way of football history. But you know, 158 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:13.439 that's kind of where we're at here, right. This is 159 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:16.079 the this is the trickle down effect of all this realignment. 160 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:18.800 So we're talking about schools that don't really you know, 161 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:21.360 relative to you know, the schools we're used to talking about, 162 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:23.680 don't have a lot to offer. But that that's how 163 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:26.800 far down the list we are. And I guess we 164 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:29.040 should have expected that, right that the realignment was never 165 00:07:29.079 --> 00:07:31.160 going to really stop and eventually those schools were going 166 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:33.120 to be brought into the mix. But I think we're 167 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:37.120 going to see is you know, eventually some FCS schools 168 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:38.879 are probably going to have to elevate, are going to 169 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:42.160 be enticed to do so, to fill to fill out 170 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:44.720 all those conferences. You know, eventually you're going to run 171 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:46.399 out of schools, and so I think, you know, it's 172 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:49.079 it's time to start vetting some of those FCF schools 173 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:49.920 that might have some interest. 174 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:53.199 When the dust settles, what happens with Gonzaga, you know, 175 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:57.240 because there's all this like misinformation out there. A report 176 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:01.639 was actually tweeted out then refuted, and now I'm just 177 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:04.360 kind of wondering, you know, when the dust settles, where 178 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:05.800 there's where they're going to end up? 179 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:07.000 Kyle, what are your thoughts? 180 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:09.439 Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised if they ended 181 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:12.319 up in the PAC twelve eventually. And I know the 182 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:15.519 pactwelve has had conversations with them. I you know, confirmed 183 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:19.319 that they had conversations with Saint Mary's also in the WCC, right, 184 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:24.560 but where that conversation. When that conversation was taking place, 185 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:28.600 the PAC twelve was also optimistic it was going to 186 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:31.480 get the four AAC schools, right, and so keep in mind, 187 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:34.799 if they had brought those four schools in, then the 188 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:37.279 media evaluation for a potential deal was going to be 189 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:39.879 different than it will be with wherever it settles on 190 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:42.320 the football side, right, And so the amount of money 191 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:45.000 that they could offer Gonzaga is going to be different 192 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:47.519 now than it would have been with the AA schools 193 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:50.200 in the mix of the AAC schools and potentially un 194 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:52.879 LB in the mix, And so now Gonzaga has to 195 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:55.440 then look at it again and say, Okay, like we 196 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:57.799 have a pretty good thing going here. We've been able 197 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:00.960 to turn ourselves into a national brand playing in this conference. 198 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:04.200 Do we leave for whatever it is the pack this 199 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:06.919 new look PAC twelve has to offer. I think it's 200 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:09.000 a little bit of a different conversation than it would 201 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:12.559 have been with those AAC schools, But yeah, I think 202 00:09:12.799 --> 00:09:16.360 once it's set, once football is settled, those conversations can 203 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:18.120 get a little bit more serious again and they can 204 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:21.279 kind of work out if it makes sense for both parties. 205 00:09:21.279 --> 00:09:23.240 I think the PAC twelve would like to have gun 206 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:27.279 Zaga and potentially Saint Mary's if it just for like, uh, 207 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:31.919 for numbers purposes for basketball, their payouts will be different 208 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:35.039 than the football schools. Of course that should be pretty 209 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:37.720 well understood. But yeah, I think we have to just 210 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:39.879 wait a little bit before that those talks can really 211 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:41.440 heat up and see how real they'll be. 212 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:45.039 One more quick expansion question, because then we'll actually get 213 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:49.080 to games that are being played. What's the latest as 214 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:52.799 far as you understanding goes with Yukon and their flirtation 215 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:55.200 Brett or Mark East Coast guy. He wants the New 216 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:57.279 York market and if somebody grew up back there, I 217 00:09:57.320 --> 00:09:59.440 can tell you Yukon basketball moves the needle in a 218 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:03.080 way that's saying John's doesn't, or you know, even Syracuse 219 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:07.639 obviously they're upstate. But Yukon basketball would help the Big Twelve, 220 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:09.799 you know, at least kind of sneak in a little 221 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:12.120 bit through the side door to that New York market. 222 00:10:12.200 --> 00:10:15.600 You think that's a union that is inevitable given time. 223 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:16.320 Where are you at with that? 224 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:19.159 Yeah, I don't know. I don't have any great like 225 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:21.960 first hand insight and reporting, like only the only inside 226 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:24.720 I have to that is just what I've read as well. Yeah, 227 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:28.039 I mean it's it's an interesting proposition, right, But the 228 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:30.600 problem is that is that Yukon also has football, and 229 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:33.919 I don't think the Big Twelve has any interest in 230 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:37.240 bringing Yukon football into the mix. I know the Pac 231 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:41.080 twelve has had some discussions with Yukon, like preliminary discussions 232 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:43.200 about bringing them in as a football only member to 233 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:45.799 try to get to try to get them to the 234 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:48.879 necessary amount of schools too. Right, So Yukon's in a 235 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:52.360 weird place fitting into this whole mix. I mean, the 236 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:55.600 conversations have been ongoing for a while. My understanding is 237 00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:58.080 that a lot of the schools in the Big Twelve 238 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:01.480 were not really in favor. I mean, Yukon entered the 239 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:04.679 league and that probably carried the day as far as 240 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:06.879 setting those conversations to the side for the time being. 241 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:08.080 All right, good stuff there. 242 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:10.360 You guys have done a great job and you specifically 243 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:12.399 on kind of helping us understand all of this. 244 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:13.720 Let's move over now. 245 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:16.120 To the Utes who start out four and oh one 246 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:19.559 and oh and Big Twelve play and you know, Cameron Rising, 247 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:22.919 it continues to be a question mark and Isaac Wilson 248 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:25.200 has been under centered the past couple of games, but 249 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:26.399 they've been able to get it done. 250 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:28.879 And they go to Stillwater where no one wins. 251 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:32.679 I mean, Oklahoma State is tough to play in their stadium, 252 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:34.840 but a four and oh start one and oh one 253 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:38.559 conference they welcome in Arizona coming up on Saturday night, 254 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:40.879 and Kyle, as you know, Arizona stopped them pretty good 255 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:43.039 last year and the coaches and players have talked a 256 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.600 lot about that throughout the course of the week, watching 257 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:49.399 Arizona K State. Watching k State kind of bully them 258 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:51.440 around the field gives me a lot of confidence that 259 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:53.799 you talk and do the same. So where yet with 260 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:55.960 the start of the utes season and what do you 261 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:57.200 think happens on Saturday night? 262 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:00.279 Yeah, I mean you have to be happy with four 263 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:02.799 o obviously, right, and the fact that yeah, I mean 264 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:05.000 you look if you looked at the schedule to start 265 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:07.080 the year, and I think the Oklahoma State game was 266 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:09.000 the game that was like, oh yeah, that's that'll be 267 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:11.200 the toughest game on the schedule. It's Oklahoma State. They 268 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:13.440 you know, came in with with high expectations. That's on 269 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:18.440 the road. And to win that game without Cam, I 270 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:22.559 think is a statement of intent about what's possible this season. 271 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:24.120 I still I still think they need him back to 272 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.679 make a real run at the playoff and to accomplish 273 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:28.639 the things that they think they can write it that 274 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:32.679 I think they can. But you know, at the same time, 275 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:38.320 it's I feel so like gunshy now about like what 276 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:40.080 do you make of it? Right? It's been the same 277 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:42.960 story for for a long time with with Cam and 278 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:45.000 is he available? Is he not available? This one doesn't 279 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:46.759 seem as serious, but at the same time, you know, 280 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:49.080 there was a there was like early last year, we 281 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:51.080 also thought he was a week away, right, And so 282 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:54.639 it's hard to really try to make sense of it. 283 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:56.960 I'm sure that you guys have a better read into 284 00:12:56.960 --> 00:12:59.559 it just being there and and and hearing from players 285 00:12:59.559 --> 00:13:01.600 and coaches during the week, but you know, from a 286 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:04.120 national perspective, trying to monitor it is it has become 287 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:08.960 really difficult. Arizona interesting team because I mean I was 288 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:10.759 really high on Arizona coming too the year. They have 289 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:13.080 a lot back from a team that you know finished 290 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:15.320 the finished last year with seven straight wins. It was 291 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:17.200 one of the best seasons in school history. You got 292 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:19.559 this quarterback who was playing at a Heisman level down 293 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:23.480 the stretch, best receiver in college football. But the last 294 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:26.279 two weeks that the offense just hasn't hasn't clicked. I mean, 295 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:28.480 they didn't move the ball at all outside the first 296 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:31.960 drive against Kansas State and even against Northern Arizona it 297 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:34.720 was it was it was pretty dire on the offensive side, 298 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:37.840 and so they had the talent to be good and 299 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:40.080 to give you tall all it can handle. And you saw, 300 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:43.720 you know McMillan and I know, if it Beata last 301 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:46.679 year and what they can do. But you know, here 302 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:48.879 we are three games into the year and they kind 303 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:51.840 have kind of reset expectations on Arizona. So I'm excited 304 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:54.080 to be there. I'll be there in Salt Lake this 305 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:56.159 this weekend for this one. So excited to check out 306 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:58.080 both these teams in person for the first time this year. 307 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:01.080 Oh very nice, Well, travel safe, You're gonna enjoy some 308 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:02.960 great weather. It's a late kick, but it's supposed to 309 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:05.200 be like seventy degrees at eight o'clock on. 310 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:06.799 Saturday, so it should be a lot of fun. 311 00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:10.440 Let me ask you your opinion on because you know, 312 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:14.159 we've discussed the as you can imagine here in Saul Lake, 313 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:20.080 we've discussed the Camra Rising Isaac Wilson dynamic quite a bit. Look, 314 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:23.080 the bottom line, Kyle is money does change the equation. 315 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:26.799 It does change the conversation and folks around here like 316 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:29.240 if Camera Rising is really being paid seven figures to 317 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:31.159 play quarterback for the University of Utah. I think it 318 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:34.519 changes the way people view how this stuff has been handled. 319 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:36.840 Now, I am of the opinion that he's hurt. 320 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:39.440 We had coach went on the show yesterday and they're 321 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:41.360 trying to get him back, and when he's right, he's 322 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:41.960 going to play. 323 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:43.120 That's where I stand now. 324 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:46.919 You referenced last year, it was the same stuff every week, 325 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:50.519 getting close you know, needs to be cleared by the doctor, 326 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:52.120 doctor Neil Atrasha, And that was a real thing. 327 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:53.039 I'm not saying it wasn't. 328 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:57.039 But do you think we're high speed ahead to college 329 00:14:57.080 --> 00:15:01.360 football adopting the pro model of reporting injuries? Because until 330 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:04.120 Kyle gets the email from the Big twelve saying you 331 00:15:04.159 --> 00:15:07.320 gotta report, he's simply gonna do everything he can to 332 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:09.720 do his one job, which is to win football games. 333 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:12.799 And if he thinks holding some information back gives him 334 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:15.200 an advantage, he's going to continue to do it. At 335 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:17.360 some point, do you think coaches will be mandated to 336 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:18.960 report like they are in pro football. 337 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:21.799 I do think that's going to be the case, and 338 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:24.600 it's already happening in the SEC. I believe. I think 339 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:27.879 that policy this year, right, and so look, it's it's 340 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:30.879 once it starts, Like I think a lot of those 341 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:34.080 policies kind of fall into line across the country. So like, 342 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:36.120 I can't imagine there's a world where the SEC is 343 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:39.919 the only conference doing that interperpetuity, right, I think it's 344 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:46.799 reasonable to have that policy in play. But look, I 345 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:49.120 covered the forty nine ers when Jim Harbaugh was the coach, 346 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:52.440 and he said something that always stuck with me is like, look, 347 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:55.480 if we think something is going to give us, you know, 348 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:58.080 a one percent chance to be better, to have a 349 00:15:58.080 --> 00:15:59.960 better chance, so when we're going to chase that one person. 350 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:02.240 And it was like something really insignificant that he was 351 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:04.679 talking about at the time, But I think that applies 352 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:07.759 with the injury stuff. I mean, if you can force 353 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:10.840 another team to prepare for two quarterbacks that are kind 354 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:13.879 of different in style, like, yeah, there's probably some benefit there. 355 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:15.919 Like is it going to swing the game? You know, 356 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:18.519 I don't know, Probably not right. But at the same time, 357 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:21.559 if you're adding a little bit more to the other 358 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:23.480 team's plate during the week that they have to prepare for, 359 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:26.200 like that's not a bad thing. And I don't know 360 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:31.240 if there's a real tangible benefit to announcing your starter 361 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:33.120 early and so yeah, like I want to find out 362 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:36.279 who's playing. I'm it will generate interest, right. It certainly 363 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.320 helps speading lines and those sort of things, and gives 364 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:41.120 everyone a better sense about what to expect. But yeah, 365 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:44.559 I think Kyle's wealth and his right to operate that 366 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:46.360 way is as frustrating as it might be. 367 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:51.440 So we might have two very elead college football teams 368 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:51.960 in our state. 369 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:52.200 Now. 370 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:54.879 I am a pump the brakes guy on BYU for now, 371 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:57.440 just because of the way the game went down last 372 00:16:57.440 --> 00:16:59.559 weekend against k State. But k State rolls in a 373 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:03.200 provo as the number thirteen team in the country and 374 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:07.960 BYU just smoked them. Now, there was a insane punt return, 375 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:10.039 there was a scoop and score, there were two picks 376 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:11.799 inside of the red zone. I think BYU had like 377 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:14.200 two hundred and forty nine yards of offense. But it 378 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:16.200 is what it is. They get to win. It wasn't close. 379 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:17.839 They're four and oh now, they were three and oh 380 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:20.519 a year ago. They get into Big twelve play last 381 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:23.319 year and it was just a catastrophe. They will tell 382 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:25.119 you there were one or two plays from winning three 383 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:25.960 or four of the games. 384 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:26.720 That's great. 385 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:29.720 I don't hand out participation trophies on the show. They've 386 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:32.319 never won a Big twelve road game. They're zero to five. 387 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:36.359 They've lost their last ten Day games. Crazy enough, it's 388 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:39.200 a ten am kick at least Mountain Time style at Baylor. 389 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:41.960 So before I set you loose, same question I asked 390 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:44.160 you about Utah. What do you make of BYU's clean start? 391 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:46.079 What do you think happens coming up on Saturday? 392 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:49.880 Yeah, I mean I think they're clearly a better team 393 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:52.599 than Baylor. Right, Like the early morning thing is interesting. 394 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:54.839 I wasn't aware of that, but yeah, I mean you 395 00:17:54.880 --> 00:17:57.000 have to it four to oh. I think the SMU 396 00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:58.880 win actually looks pretty good. It was a kind of 397 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:01.720 a not any very exciting game. But look, they held 398 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:03.480 a team to fifteen points that went out and scored 399 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:07.119 sixty six the next week, right, And so there's something 400 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:09.359 you know to like about that. I mean, the rest 401 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:11.559