Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekenanos Show.
Speaker 1: Thomas is back and we are going to take a
Speaker 1: break from the Thirty Years War series. And Thomas has
Speaker 1: some thoughts and he wants to talk about Israel today.
Speaker 1: So take it away, Thomas.
Speaker 2: We've discussed Israel before in dedicated series more than one,
Speaker 2: I believe, and the Jewish state and its origins and
Speaker 2: it's founding mythologies and the ideological imperatives that gave rise
Speaker 2: to bell for Declaration and Zionism becoming a significant global
Speaker 2: political force. I write extensively on that, and it's a
Speaker 2: major aspect of my manuscript, which I'm please to announces
Speaker 2: almost completed. However, there's there's a subject matter within the
Speaker 2: broader sort of pastiche of of factors that is neglected,
Speaker 2: I think, and not just by regime adjacent media and
Speaker 2: mainstream academ This was on my mind not just because
Speaker 2: of this foolish talk emanating from the wayous of what
Speaker 2: Iran and the ongoing attempted to version of the revolutionary
Speaker 2: government there, but about some months after the Twelve Days War,
Speaker 2: you know this, this sort of performative air war. I
Speaker 2: guess that the Trump administration claims was targeting the Iranian
Speaker 2: nuclear program, which which I don't think exists in the
Speaker 2: way that is alleged by this administration or the regime generally.
Speaker 2: But that aside. Kamani Supreme Leader Kamane he made a
Speaker 2: speech and in it he talked about the Zionists plan
Speaker 2: for greater Israel and the Levant, which is essentially the
Speaker 2: total ethnic cleansing of large swaths of Syria as well
Speaker 2: as Gaza, as well as the Levant and the replacement
Speaker 2: of the indigenous element with racial Jews is defined by
Speaker 2: the zion Estate. Incidentally, the Zionist state defines who is
Speaker 2: a Jew in explicitly racial terms. It's a mirror of
Speaker 2: what the Nuremberg was were, which is significant because that's
Speaker 2: basically without precedent within Jewish life, Okay, And that's what
Speaker 2: Coman he said was true. I mean, even if you
Speaker 2: don't accept the revolutionary government's position on other things, that
Speaker 2: that's accurate what he described. And that's one of the
Speaker 2: reasons why the sort of direct action that IDF engages
Speaker 2: in seems outside of the scope of ordinary military activity,
Speaker 2: even when there's a strong ethnosectarian animosity president within the
Speaker 2: conflict paradigm, and the supper racialism of Israel goes back
Speaker 2: to its founding, and I'm going to discuss that discrete
Speaker 2: instances of open racial warfare that constituted a founding aspect
Speaker 2: of the military campaign that established the Jewish state. But
Speaker 2: it's also inductively one can extrapolate from that is it's
Speaker 2: part of a wider integral paradigm of Zionist activity, political, military,
Speaker 2: and sociological. That's the only way to understand it. And
Speaker 2: Israel was normalizing to some degree in the nineteen nineties,
Speaker 2: which is when and why Rabine was murdered and Israel,
Speaker 2: for all practical purposes became a one party state. But
Speaker 2: you know, the when I say, and when people like
Speaker 2: Ernst and Olti and like Norman Finkelstein and others have
Speaker 2: discussed Israel as being a totally abnormal state, this is
Speaker 2: an aspect of what they're talking about. There's a dialectical
Speaker 2: aspect as well that relates to the same nucleus of
Speaker 2: historical causes that gave rise to the Soviet Union and
Speaker 2: the Third Reich. But it's also an outlier because it's
Speaker 2: the only, it is the only state of its kind
Speaker 2: that is taken on this naked we racialist, naked we
Speaker 2: biologically racialist imperative as an absolute and unconditional aspect of
Speaker 2: its historical mission and its ideological practice. And I go
Speaker 2: as far to say that it's essential to the constitution
Speaker 2: of the state conceptually and actually, and that's also one
Speaker 2: of the major problems that is emergent because that kind
Speaker 2: of secular, hyper racialized Zionism. Nobody really believes in that anymore.
Speaker 2: And going back even to the the you know, the
Speaker 2: the nineteen forty seven forty eight war, which was really
Speaker 2: a massive rossenkree. He was a massive racial cleansing operation
Speaker 2: by Hagana and the Zionist International. But what I mean,
Speaker 2: what's commonly you know, called the nineteen forty eight war.
Speaker 2: There was a problem with some of these outlying territories
Speaker 2: and Greater Palestine that had key strategic value, but they
Speaker 2: were populated almost exclusively by the ultra Orthodox. Then these
Speaker 2: people had absolutely no interest in joining some some racialist crusade,
Speaker 2: you know, against their neighbors and shuffling populations around. I
Speaker 2: believe is something that the leagued state's gonna rely more
Speaker 2: and moron literally up rooting ultra orthodox populations and shoving
Speaker 2: them into racialized battle spaces that they themselves have curated.
Speaker 2: It's essentially forced these people to fight or die and
Speaker 2: thereby try to radicalize them. I don't think it's going
Speaker 2: to work, but that's one of the things that that's
Speaker 2: going to be emergent. I believe it's you know, you know,
Speaker 2: to be clear that I'm not to get into this
Speaker 2: isn't hyperbole. I mean, this is this. Uh, we're talking
Speaker 2: about the factual record. I admittedly present historical analyses and
Speaker 2: inductive terms. I've had the thought that it might be
Speaker 2: because I trained as a lawyer, but I think that's more.
Speaker 2: If we're talking about ideological praxis, I think that's really
Speaker 2: the only way to approach it, and not not in
Speaker 2: polemical terms, but you've really got to start with how
Speaker 2: ideological imperatives are expressed and implemented and go from there
Speaker 2: and understanding political behavior, especially at war, and especially in
Speaker 2: discussing a state that is such an outlier like Israel.
Speaker 2: So one are the examples of been deeply researching. Latly
Speaker 2: was a Zionist operation. It was implemented by Hagana, but
Speaker 2: then it was continued by IDF. Haganana was the primary
Speaker 2: armed element of the thesion Is International Okay, they basically
Speaker 2: Jews under arms in Palestine. Hagana was their primary organized force.
Speaker 2: Hagana became the IDEF okay. But just to be clear,
Speaker 2: from April to December of nineteen forty eight, Hagana slash
Speaker 2: IDF they implemented what was called Operation cast Thy Bread.
Speaker 2: This was a top secret biological warfare operation whereby, among
Speaker 2: other things, Hagana they used typhoid bacteria they isolated to
Speaker 2: contaminate the drinking water in the wells of settlements that
Speaker 2: they wished to ethnically cleanse within the covetant within the
Speaker 2: battle space that constant. The primary battle space constituted Palestinian
Speaker 2: territory that was coveted by the Zionist cadre. But Operation
Speaker 2: cast Thy Bread came to include neighboring states populated by
Speaker 2: people identified as racial hostiles. And it also had the
Speaker 2: further effect of preventing refugees who survived the ethnic cleansing
Speaker 2: operation from returning to captured villages, and also as well,
Speaker 2: it made it difficult for Arab relief armies, which arrived
Speaker 2: primarily from Jordan. Later on to make use of extant
Speaker 2: water supplies, which in the near reies to this day
Speaker 2: is a major concern. This operation resulted in pandemic illnesses,
Speaker 2: at least locally, beyond the initial attrition that killed a
Speaker 2: lot of people. In the final months, IDF gave orders
Speaker 2: to expand the biological warfare campaign and the Egypt, Lebanon
Speaker 2: and Syria, but for some reason this was not carried out.
Speaker 2: I've got my own thoughts on that, and I'll get
Speaker 2: into that as we go on in this topical discussion. Now,
Speaker 2: when they started coming to light the response from the
Speaker 2: designs political and military element, first and foremost from a
Speaker 2: man named Abba Iban. He was the main representative of
Speaker 2: the Jewish Agency for Palestine, which was one of the
Speaker 2: primary NNGO was involved in the settlement enterprise of bringing
Speaker 2: European jewelry to the Middle East. He went on to
Speaker 2: serve as the Israeli Foreign Affairs Minister, the Education Minister,
Speaker 2: the deputy Prime Minister. He was ambassad the United States.
Speaker 2: He ended up it was their first permanent representative, permanent
Speaker 2: representative of the u N. He was VP of the
Speaker 2: UN General Assembly. He this this was a big deal
Speaker 2: and it's not actually in those days the UN actually
Speaker 2: had quite a bit of authority or cloud rather as
Speaker 2: much as an ig o can. He insinuated himself into
Speaker 2: the UN for a reason. But the official statement from
Speaker 2: you know, Ida Hagana authorities as well as the political
Speaker 2: cadre then in control of the NASA design estate was
Speaker 2: this was anti Semitic incitement and an Arab propaganda. You know,
Speaker 2: this was in response to the fact that in July
Speaker 2: the Palestinian Arab Higher Committee, who on the ground had
Speaker 2: pretty good relations with the British military contention that was
Speaker 2: in the prop sense of disengaging and leaving. They reported
Speaker 2: that there was wide scale use of bacteriological warfare that
Speaker 2: was killing people in mass and that's how this came
Speaker 2: to the attention to the General Assembly and of the
Speaker 2: global newswire generally. Now it came out subsequently, owing in
Speaker 2: part to some Cold War intrigues, among other things. Hagana's
Speaker 2: chief operations officer was Yagaliya Din. Yagalia Din in nineteen
Speaker 2: forty seven forty eight I asked known activity in this
Speaker 2: regard I believe was February nineteen forty eight he directed
Speaker 2: a microbiology student named Alexander Kenyon. Alexander Kenyon went on
Speaker 2: to become the director of the Israeli Institute for Biological Research.
Speaker 2: I'll get into what that institution does in a minute,
Speaker 2: but he ya Dean as chief operations officer of Aaghana,
Speaker 2: he deployed Kenyon and the future Israeli President Ifran Katzer,
Speaker 2: who also was a disease expert and biologist. He ordered
Speaker 2: them to begin recent searching the potential of chemical and
Speaker 2: biological weapons, what their potential was, how these things could
Speaker 2: be devised to target discrete populations, how friendlies could be
Speaker 2: potentially inoculated, if a weapon couldn't be engineered that was
Speaker 2: splendidly devised to only affect targeted hostiles. And he had
Speaker 2: them go to Europe and see if they could make
Speaker 2: contact with ethnic Jews on both sides of the Iron Curtain,
Speaker 2: who had expertise in this regard. Now cat sears I
Speaker 2: mentioned he was a biophysicist, That's what his actual discipline was,
Speaker 2: and a big man. He wanted to become a big
Speaker 2: man in the Israeli Labor Party, and again he was
Speaker 2: president of Israel, and Israel the real power of government
Speaker 2: is you know, in the prime minister. But the President
Speaker 2: UH in national security affairs has a fair amount of authority.
Speaker 2: But what ultimately UH Kenyon and kits you're They formed
Speaker 2: UH a unit that came to be called himid be It,
Speaker 2: which was an operational bio warfare unit of the IDF
Speaker 2: Haganah then IDF. But the the is the Israel, the
Speaker 2: Israeli Institute for Biological Research. It's clear that what they
Speaker 2: were organized to do and what they continue to do
Speaker 2: to this day is UH the development of chemical and
Speaker 2: biological weapons, as well as developing vaccines and animotes and
Speaker 2: countermeasures against such weapons. This came to light the biggest
Speaker 2: UH espionage scandal in Israel's history was the case of
Speaker 2: Marcus Klingberg. Marcus Klingberg was the highest ranking spy for
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union and warsaw PEC ever ever caught in Israel.
Speaker 2: He ended up becoming the UH Israeli Institute of Biological
Speaker 2: Research as deputy scientific director. He was this Polish Jew
Speaker 2: who was a committed communist and he managed, you know,
Speaker 2: the Soviets are very good at this. He managed to
Speaker 2: insinuate himself not just into Israeli scientific academ but very
Speaker 2: much into politics. And not only was he the director
Speaker 2: of the IBr, but he became a head of the
Speaker 2: Department of Epidemiology from most of the seventies. He was
Speaker 2: finally arrested in nineteen eighty three. He was convicted in
Speaker 2: a secret military court, and Israel didn't even acknowledge that
Speaker 2: they had him, that he'd been caught, that he'd been convicted,
Speaker 2: until years after the fact. He was quite literally sent
Speaker 2: down a hole. Now, if you know anything about the
Speaker 2: Soviet Union and some of their priorities as regards to WND,
Speaker 2: in the era of true strategic parody, the Soviets, just
Speaker 2: like we were, they were looking for alternative means to
Speaker 2: wage war that would take nuclear weapons off the table
Speaker 2: other than as a tactical force multiplier or last resort,
Speaker 2: and they convened what was called biopreparat. Famously, there was
Speaker 2: the anthrax accident and one of the Soviet unions closed
Speaker 2: cities were weaponized. Anthrax escaped and it killed a few
Speaker 2: dozen people, and Yelson was the local party commissar, and
Speaker 2: they claimed that some sort of outbreak of salmonilla had
Speaker 2: or something in that order. They said it was tainted food.
Speaker 2: But Klingberg, it wasn't an accident that the Soviets were
Speaker 2: so interested, and I mean the Soviets were constantly spying
Speaker 2: in Israel if they were at war with them. But
Speaker 2: there's a reason why there was such a dedicated effort
Speaker 2: in this regard. And in the final phase of the
Speaker 2: Cold War, post strategic parody, bioweapons and bio warfare potential
Speaker 2: became a matter of very serious study, okay, And so
Speaker 2: in the nineties when the Klingberg affair came to light,
Speaker 2: this all but proved what had long been suspected that
Speaker 2: Israel had a massive bioweapons program that was tailored for
Speaker 2: the purpose of devising viral and bacterial agents with an
Speaker 2: emphasis on disease is that could target populations based on
Speaker 2: genetic factors. I believe too, this is one reason why
Speaker 2: there's an internal racial hierarchy within Israel. It's not just
Speaker 2: social prejudice. Why so many Zionists are down on their
Speaker 2: Ethiopian brethren and they look down on a lot of
Speaker 2: Jews indigenous to the region. It's because they've got a
Speaker 2: hyper racialized view of political ontology. But also I think
Speaker 2: their entire military, political, sociopolitical conditioning revolves around quantify and
Speaker 2: calculable racial criteria and the Ashkenasm are a genetically insular population.
Speaker 2: And you see where I'm going with this, which again
Speaker 2: it's a macabre subject matter, but this is the reality.
Speaker 2: In a nineteen ninety two there was a plane crash
Speaker 2: in the Netherlands LL Flight eighteen one eight sixty two.
Speaker 2: Among other cargo it was carrying, it was carrying cargo
Speaker 2: bound for the Israel Institute for Biological Research. This cargo
Speaker 2: consignment included one hundred and ninety liters of dimethyl methyl
Speaker 2: fostphone eight, which, among other uses, admittedly it can be
Speaker 2: it can be used in the synthesis of sarh nerve gas,
Speaker 2: and it's scheduled for that purpose under the Chemical Weapons Convention.
Speaker 2: And obviously this created something of a scandal. The claim
Speaker 2: from Tel Aviv was that this material was non toxic
Speaker 2: and it was simply being employed to test filters that
Speaker 2: the within military gas masks that protect against chemical weapons,
Speaker 2: particularly nerve agents, which are notoriously difficult to develop countermeasures against.
Speaker 2: And uh they claimed this was all above board, and
Speaker 2: this was listed on the cargo manifest and if you know,
Speaker 2: the airlines screwed that up somehow. That has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with any sort of sinister behavior by the institute
Speaker 2: or by the Israeli government, the Dutch Foreign ministry. Then
Speaker 2: when it to damage control mode, like the Zionist lackeys
Speaker 2: they are and have been since, you know, the since
Speaker 2: nineteen forty five, you know, and they began insisting that
Speaker 2: all these quantities were far too small for the preparation
Speaker 2: of a viable military useful you know, nerve agent, but
Speaker 2: you know that very well could be used for perfecting
Speaker 2: detection methods and countermeasures. You know. This led to this
Speaker 2: British journalist later in the nineties. He's more of an
Speaker 2: intelligence writer. He's written a lot of expose a's on
Speaker 2: m I five and things, but first and foremost he's
Speaker 2: a journalist. But he he published an article on the
Speaker 2: iib are, the Israeli Israeli Institute for Biological Research, and
Speaker 2: he said it doesn't look anything like some academic research
Speaker 2: facility or even a very secure commercial or academic laboratory.
Speaker 2: He related that the facility is surrounded by a massive
Speaker 2: concrete wall topped with cutting edge sensors and surveillance technology.
Speaker 2: Armed guards patrol its perimeter twenty four to seven and
Speaker 2: no aircraft are allowed to fly over the facility. It
Speaker 2: doesn't appear on any map. Inside the facility, nobody can
Speaker 2: move about absent the use of code words and constant
Speaker 2: presentation of visual identification. It's surrounded by an outer shell
Speaker 2: that utilizes bomb proof doors that can only be opened
Speaker 2: by codes. The codes are changed every day. Every corridor
Speaker 2: inside is patrolled by armed guards. I mean you under this.
Speaker 2: This is the Essentially this place is as heavily defended
Speaker 2: as as as a as sack Norhead. But you're supposed
Speaker 2: to believe that it's just a laboratory that deals in
Speaker 2: research chemicals and and and encountermeasures against you know, poisoning
Speaker 2: and things. So you get the picture. Not to be
Speaker 2: clear how this came about in in terms of deployment
Speaker 2: in UH the main there's as two things we're gonna
Speaker 2: talk about here. What I believe and what a lot
Speaker 2: of the evidence direct and UH circumstantial will suggests is
Speaker 2: that the experience of the racial cleansing of Haifa is
Speaker 2: what really encouraged Hagana I, d F and Earnest to
Speaker 2: start deploying bioweapons at scale around acre in Acre rather
Speaker 2: in the suburbs. On a May third, ninety forty eight,
Speaker 2: Acre famously was a you know, there was a Crusader
Speaker 2: castle there, one of the last Crusader garrisons. It was
Speaker 2: this you know, renowned city for its cultural artifacts and things.
Speaker 2: That's believed to be the first low Guy where typhoid
Speaker 2: germs were deployed. This was substantiated by the Red Cross
Speaker 2: as well as British authorities. It's not not not just
Speaker 2: Arab documents and testimony. Israeli troops introduced poison and they
Speaker 2: introduced the typhoid germs into wells an Acre and uh
Speaker 2: in I, Lebon and Galilee, leading to a severe outbreak.
Speaker 2: Acre was significant because it was to be allocated to
Speaker 2: a future Arab state vis a vis the UN Partition
Speaker 2: Plan for Palestine. It was heavily relied upon because of
Speaker 2: its aqueducts for its water, so it was imperative that
Speaker 2: within the boundary rationality desionus objectives that it being captured.
Speaker 2: The attack was carried out by the Carmeli Brigade of
Speaker 2: Haghana Cork and considered the be the spear point as
Speaker 2: it were of Jewish forces, Oriental Jews and Arabized Jews
Speaker 2: indigenous to the region. They were generally charged with lesser
Speaker 2: mission orientations, and they also were encouraged and permitted to loot.
Speaker 2: And then when reports had come in about Hagana elements
Speaker 2: and IDF elements engaged in this kind of a pen
Speaker 2: and lawlessness, the claim would be that, well, these are
Speaker 2: just local militia men victimizing people, or oh they're Arabs.
Speaker 2: You know what language were they speaking? You know, it's
Speaker 2: very it's very clear what the motivation was there. And
Speaker 2: in addition to just prejudice within the tribe of against
Speaker 2: its own non askenasm brethren, probably the most successful in
Speaker 2: relative terms early use of chemical weapons was the village
Speaker 2: of bot Messir was racially annihilated and subsequently remaining refugees
Speaker 2: were murdered by way of the poisoned water sources, which,
Speaker 2: among other things, again precluded a return, and it required
Speaker 2: high investment to render these places livable again. But that's
Speaker 2: exactly what design estate did and replace the the people
Speaker 2: they killed and expelled with their own kind. But what
Speaker 2: happened in Haifa that, in my opinion, led to this
Speaker 2: wide used of biological agents. I mean, make the mistake,
Speaker 2: this wasn't imperative that was going to be pursued anyway,
Speaker 2: for reasons of ideological practice in rosen Krieg, which are
Speaker 2: synonymous when we're talking about the design of state. But
Speaker 2: operations in Haifa haiphas a port city and u there's
Speaker 2: a fairly sizable contingent of British troops there, and as
Speaker 2: it became clear that you know, ethnic cleansing was probable,
Speaker 2: was possible, if not probable, a lot of the affluent
Speaker 2: and literate people fled Haifa. The people remained between fifty
Speaker 2: five and sixty thousand Palestinians. They were leaderless and there's
Speaker 2: a comparatively poetry number of Arab volunteers under arms, so
Speaker 2: they were essentially at the mercy of Jewish forces in
Speaker 2: nineteen forty eight, and despite the present to this British garrison,
Speaker 2: this is one of the most shameful episodes of the
Speaker 2: late British Empire. They were charged of protecting the people
Speaker 2: there and from preventing a race war. Essentially, they did
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing and let this go on. But the Hagana
Speaker 2: Idf they drove the Arabs from their homes and began
Speaker 2: forcing them towards the water, and they positioned snipers so
Speaker 2: that no one could escape, and then they began massively
Speaker 2: shelling this population at tens of thousands of people who
Speaker 2: were fleeing in terror, literally funneling them so they could
Speaker 2: only run in one direction, and then they began bombarding
Speaker 2: them with mortars and then just blowing them to pieces.
Speaker 2: The operation was code named ms Parium, which means scissors,
Speaker 2: indicating the idea of both a pincer and cutting the
Speaker 2: city off from the Palestinian hinterland, as well as a
Speaker 2: surgical removal of the unwanted element. But this caused international outcry,
Speaker 2: especially because this British garrison, although totally derelict and their duty,
Speaker 2: they did constitute a cadre of credible witnesses to what happened,
Speaker 2: and it was a very bad look. There was testimony
Speaker 2: about people being stampeded to death as their co ethnics
Speaker 2: were literally running for their lives and being blown to
Speaker 2: pieces by mortar rounds or having their brains blown out
Speaker 2: by snipers. You know. Uh, most of these people were
Speaker 2: not military age males. They were middle aged and old
Speaker 2: folks or women and kids. You know. So the mean
Speaker 2: this was a problem, especially uh you know, television wasn't
Speaker 2: yet ubiquitous are even common, but cameras are becoming ubiquitous,
Speaker 2: particularly in in combat zones. You know it uh Hypha,
Speaker 2: you know again, I mean it was is a port
Speaker 2: city was coveted. But the main, the main, really the
Speaker 2: only objective was racial warfare and the annihilation of the
Speaker 2: unwanted element based on biologically racial criteria. You know again,
Speaker 2: that's not iperbly as an arguable I will Uh there
Speaker 2: was to be fair too. There were instances of British
Speaker 2: on the ground acting heroically. Unfortunately that was the exception,
Speaker 2: not the rule. There was a it's only really only
Speaker 2: in one area. The first it was the oldest Palestinian
Speaker 2: neighborhood that had been built outside of the old city's walls.
Speaker 2: And it was also uh. It was also where a
Speaker 2: lot of noble and notable families hailed from, including uh
Speaker 2: the Sins and include you know, the one of whom
Speaker 2: was a grand Mufti al Husseini who was a great man.
Speaker 2: But uh, chick Jara is the neighborhood we're talking about.
Speaker 2: The local British commander did step in the instruction that
Speaker 2: came down to Jewish forces shikh Jarra in Uh April
Speaker 2: April twenty four, forty eight, was to occupy the neighborhood
Speaker 2: destroy all its houses, and you know, Annihilator expelled every
Speaker 2: every every non Jew. The secretary of the Arab Higher Committee,
Speaker 2: doctor Hussain Khalidi, he'd uh liaised with the British Commander's
Speaker 2: troops and UH the commander that garrison confronted Hagana and
Speaker 2: UH was ordered as men to to shoot the Jews
Speaker 2: if they tried to harm the the Arab population. And
Speaker 2: with the accession twenty houses that Hagana managed to blow
Speaker 2: up or burn. That was it because Uh Hagana immediately
Speaker 2: backed down in Lua fighting the British Army, which goes
Speaker 2: to show too that these guys were just cowards who
Speaker 2: refused to intervene in other locales, you know. And to
Speaker 2: be clear, this wasn't this was the British Army, This
Speaker 2: wasn't blue hats, it wasn't some stupid peacekeeping mission. This
Speaker 2: was the thin red line of the British Empire, you know.
Speaker 2: And UH they'd also given a commitment, they'd committed to
Speaker 2: protecting these people by their own initiative. Just to be clear.
Speaker 2: You know, there's about the conditions on the ground, but
Speaker 2: it goes to show that, you know, when when the
Speaker 2: British made it clear that they were going to defend
Speaker 2: the Arab population by force of arms, you know, Hagana
Speaker 2: back down. So this was a political decision by the
Speaker 2: so called world community to let this happen, among other things.
Speaker 2: That's not propaganda either, when people victimized by the zion
Speaker 2: of state, you know, issue forth that claim to be clear.
Speaker 2: But so there's a lot of reasons, including the fact
Speaker 2: that it wasn't clear if what happened in this community
Speaker 2: outside of the old city's walls, if this is going
Speaker 2: to become a matter of standing doctrin into the remaining
Speaker 2: British troops on the ground, if the roe that the
Speaker 2: crown handed down was gonna be to engage Hagana i
Speaker 2: DF when they attempt to implement these ethnic cleansing operations,
Speaker 2: even if that wasn't even if the Jews that are
Speaker 2: totally freehand, what happened at Haifa provoked global outrage in America. Obviously,
Speaker 2: the concern too was that these Erab populations are gonna
Speaker 2: be you know, appropriated by the Soviet camp, which is
Speaker 2: exactly what happened owing to this sort of unrestrained racial violence.
Speaker 2: So it was a perfect storm of incentives to go
Speaker 2: all in with the deployment of biological weapons. But again
Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting that it was barely exitent circumstances. Within
Speaker 2: the boundary rationality of the objectives of Haganay, this would
Speaker 2: have been a matter of significant interest and as they
Speaker 2: viewed it, military necessity regardless developing a capability in this regard.
Speaker 2: But it's you know again, I this this is the
Speaker 2: best way to demonstrate the practice of Zionism, which again
Speaker 2: entails every asp aspect of Jewish life and the Zionist state, military, political, sociological.
Speaker 2: This is the practice of Zionism dedicated racial warfare based
Speaker 2: on biological criteria, and that's not discussed enough.
Speaker 1: Well, when you when you take into consideration that they
Speaker 1: don't do DNA tests, they you know, they've I think
Speaker 1: they did at one point, but now it's basically they
Speaker 1: do it through birth certificates, marriage certificates, synagogue records, old passports,
Speaker 1: letters from rabbis or Jewish organizations. It really that raises
Speaker 1: a lot of questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I I don't believe anything that comes out
Speaker 2: of Tel Aviv. They claim they stopped doing it after
Speaker 2: the uh But at the same time, for writer return stuff,
Speaker 2: particularly with say this Ethiopian population that was claiming refugee
Speaker 2: status and write a return they're in you know, they
Speaker 2: submitted uh, they submitted genetic evidence. I mean for the
Speaker 2: way it plays out, Like I said, it's pretty much
Speaker 2: exactly like the number laws. If you have a you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's Jewish parentage that makes you a Jew.
Speaker 2: But it's like, okay, like who's attesting to that? And
Speaker 2: plus two, I mean, there's you can you can tell
Speaker 2: it really is an There really is an Askenasm culture.
Speaker 2: You know that's very insular and uh sure there's ah
Speaker 2: it's not uh as formal within uh the tribe as
Speaker 2: it once was early on in the Zionist enterprise, I'm certain,
Speaker 2: but it's make the mistake. It's it's uh, it's biologically
Speaker 2: coded because there's there's there's nothing else to secular Zionism.
Speaker 2: It's this bizarre pastiche of dead language, revival, Holocaust mythology,
Speaker 2: racial supremacism. You know, it's not that's that's one of
Speaker 2: the reasons why. I mean, obviously it's primarily theological and conceptual,
Speaker 2: while the ultra Orthodox don't abide it. But it's also
Speaker 2: doesn't alien to them. It's some it's some weird import
Speaker 2: of uh these uh like mixed blood ashkinasm who were
Speaker 2: marinated in this racial pressure cooker of Central Europe that
Speaker 2: that doesn't have that doesn't have a context of people
Speaker 2: outside of that. I mean, don't get me wrong. There
Speaker 2: there was a nutty and bigoted extremists indigenous to Palestine
Speaker 2: who took on design as cause and decided that they
Speaker 2: wanted to purify the Jewish homeland of of uh their
Speaker 2: racial enemies. But that that's not the the core of Zionism,
Speaker 2: not just in terms of the people who constituted you know,
Speaker 2: the the spear point of Hagan and things, but also
Speaker 2: the core ideologues they I mean, these by definition were
Speaker 2: people who came from elsewhere, you know.
Speaker 1: But you also made the point in the beginning that
Speaker 1: the whole concept of like Eric's Israel is to bring
Speaker 1: you know, more Jews there. Do they want to go?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they can they survive without having
Speaker 1: a diaspora. I don't think they can.
Speaker 2: No, but it's not. But they also know that there'd
Speaker 2: never be a situation where Jews all migrate to Israel.
Speaker 2: I mean Israel secondary It's something I try to explain
Speaker 2: to people. It's particularly grotesque when they go about things.
Speaker 2: It's the people who believe in the enterprise are extremely
Speaker 2: radical and extremely violent. The it creates this sort of
Speaker 2: identitarian ethos and UH philosophy out of this endless conflict mechanism.
Speaker 2: But I mean that that's the whole point, among other things.
Speaker 2: The point isn't you know, where we're gonna bring the
Speaker 2: dias for all to Israel. I mean that may have
Speaker 2: been in in you know, in in the Inner Warriors
Speaker 2: and things, or even in the immediate aftermath the Balford
Speaker 2: Declaration and and you know, during a early UH race
Speaker 2: wars with the Arabs, you have guys talk that way,
Speaker 2: and some of them actually believed it, But that's that
Speaker 2: was never the majority of consensus among the Jewish people
Speaker 2: or their elite. And I mean that's never there was
Speaker 2: just never realistic, you know. But it's a doomed enterprise
Speaker 2: for all kinds of reasons. That's one of the reasons,
Speaker 2: or that that's that's the approximate cause of it's irrationality.
Speaker 2: It's it's got to realize this grand objective of this
Speaker 2: greater Judea racial state within theater or the enterprise is
Speaker 2: going to die. You know. That's why uh you know
Speaker 2: in in in forty years Israel is we know it
Speaker 2: won't exist anymore. What some sort of altra orthodox theocracy
Speaker 2: will look like because an open ended question, but it's
Speaker 2: it's going to be very different, you know this, uh
Speaker 2: but that, but that's also why that's also Netanyaho is
Speaker 2: just dictator for life because there's there's nobody to replace him.
Speaker 2: There's no bag bench. You know, it's uh, it's it's
Speaker 2: a gerontocracy, just like in America and American Israel are
Speaker 2: the same thing in terms of government. But you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 1: All right, Well that was uh, that was some important history.
Speaker 2: Thank you, you're welcome. Yeah, I hope that was informative
Speaker 2: and didn't bore everybody.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna borrow anyone. I'll remind everybody.
Speaker 1: The best way to hook up with Thomas if you
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and on social media and stuff, even though I
Speaker 2: I I really disdained social media. They're probably gonna ban
Speaker 2: me again too, because like a bunch of a bunch
Speaker 2: of a bunch of internet weirdos get really mad at
Speaker 2: me today. I mean like like, I like, people will
Speaker 2: hate us anyway sometimes, like I'll say, I'll make some
Speaker 2: offhand remark and I'll get really agitated. I think they're
Speaker 2: mad at me for like making fun of their making
Speaker 2: fun of their rabbi, mister Trump.
Speaker 1: But well, yeah, that's some Yeah, that's something that that's
Speaker 1: been hard to uh unsee lately. How many people have
Speaker 1: all of a sudden jumped on the Trump train.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean they're they're he lots uh in
Speaker 2: the in the synagogue of figure. But uh but I
Speaker 2: digret point being I things are, things have been going
Speaker 2: very well. And yeah, I wanted to just just a
Speaker 2: goot shout out in a couple of weeks where me
Speaker 2: and the Fellas are going to Michigan because Thomas Tour
Speaker 2: was thirty up again in March and we're gonna go
Speaker 2: meet Nico Klou and I'm hoping some of the Detroit guys,
Speaker 2: some of the Detroit guys said they want to meet up,
Speaker 2: and I got a lot of love from our Michigan peoples.
Speaker 2: That made me feel good. But if you're one of
Speaker 2: those people's or if you want to meet up, go
Speaker 2: check out the upcoming events at Substack. I'm a Substack
Speaker 2: and all the infos right there. It's just gonna be
Speaker 2: like a quick like it's a quick two day con.
Speaker 2: It's like horror and crime stuff. So I'm sure a
Speaker 2: lot of people flying a freak flair. You're gonna be there.
Speaker 2: But we're going to see Nico and it might be
Speaker 2: cool man, and Michigan is an awesome state, and you know,
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to meeting our peoples there. So that's
Speaker 2: I just wanted to show my own shit real quick, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Thomas, thank you very much. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, buddy,