Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number four hundred five, published on October eighth,
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen.
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Speaker 3: So now we're going to change a conversation. A lot
Speaker 3: of people don't know what a four wood is anymore.
Speaker 3: You have three woods, and everybody has a three wood
Speaker 3: in their bag or thinks they should. Most people do anyway,
Speaker 3: and a lot of people have three and five wood's.
Speaker 3: The four wood's kind of a forgotten item. Certain manufacturers
Speaker 3: carry them, some don't, tailor made kind of hides theirs.
Speaker 3: It's a high launched three wood, but it's a seventeen degree.
Speaker 3: It's really a four wood on steroids. But I like
Speaker 3: to change the conversation with my clients and say, what
Speaker 3: you really need is a fairway driver. Forget the numbers, okay,
Speaker 3: because a number just don't always stack up. Sometimes it's
Speaker 3: a three, it might be a four, might be a
Speaker 3: high launch three might be a two, might be a
Speaker 3: five wood, might be a seven wood. And you're talking
Speaker 3: about beginners versus more experienced players. Many beginners probably shouldn't
Speaker 3: hit anything less than a seven wood starting out, wow,
Speaker 3: because that extra launch angle and loft it creates the
Speaker 3: launch angle gives them a lot more forgiveness.
Speaker 1: Come on and join me as I get fitted for
Speaker 1: new clubs with club fitter Nick Manzano. This is golf smarter.
Speaker 1: You can walk into a department store and buy a
Speaker 1: coat off the rack and it may fit you well
Speaker 1: because you kind of know your size. But if you
Speaker 1: were to walk in that department store and get an
Speaker 1: expert to help you, to measure you, to make it
Speaker 1: fit for you, to custom fit it for you, but
Speaker 1: it's still a department store, you're going to feel a
Speaker 1: lot better about it. You're going to be more confident,
Speaker 1: and people are going to comment on it. That's kind
Speaker 1: of the way it works with golf. You can walk
Speaker 1: into any store and look at all the clubs they have,
Speaker 1: know what your friend has and purchase one, or you
Speaker 1: can have an expert at that store help you out.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm gonna do today. I'm here at
Speaker 1: the golf Mart in Santrafel, California, and I'm with the
Speaker 1: one of the half dozen club fitters they have here
Speaker 1: at the golf mart, and this is Nick Manzano. And Nick,
Speaker 1: why is it important for us to be fitted for
Speaker 1: golf clubs?
Speaker 3: It's you know, it's not important for everybody. For people
Speaker 3: who want to better their games and to make it
Speaker 3: more enjoyable and have more fun out there. You know,
Speaker 3: sometimes it's the archer and sometimes it's the earrow, and
Speaker 3: tailoring a golf club to somebody's swinging abilities is very.
Speaker 1: Important if you want to progress with the game. And
Speaker 1: what is the process of getting fitted.
Speaker 3: Would start out with an interview and some kind of
Speaker 3: discussion and background is to what the person's experiences and
Speaker 3: what their attitudes are towards certain brands or certain clubs,
Speaker 3: and how fast of a learning curve they're on. They're
Speaker 3: just playing and practicing, and you know, once a month
Speaker 3: or something, you know you might fit them differently if
Speaker 3: they're on an aggressive learning curve. You know, just like
Speaker 3: a pair of shoes, you'd want to kind of fit
Speaker 3: ahead of where they are so they don't have to
Speaker 3: buy a new set of golf clubs every six months.
Speaker 1: I get emails from listeners all the time saying, I'm
Speaker 1: just starting to play golf and I know it's important
Speaker 1: to be fitted, but I want to get my swing
Speaker 1: going first. Are they right to wait to be fitted
Speaker 1: and do it on their second set of clubs or
Speaker 1: from their first set of clubs? Out? Is being fitted
Speaker 1: going to make a difference, going to enhance their confidence
Speaker 1: in their game.
Speaker 3: That's where you know, ideally you would have if they're
Speaker 3: starting out and they're taking lessons from a golf professional,
Speaker 3: then ideally that professional would give them that guidance and
Speaker 3: you know, give them an idea at what point they
Speaker 3: can take that off the shelf seven iron and progress.
Speaker 1: Onto something else, maybe at.
Speaker 3: The practice range. And that's where you know, ideally, you know,
Speaker 3: a good club fitter would be willing to work with
Speaker 3: a professional and you know, coordinate that fitting. But as
Speaker 3: long as they can repeatedly hit a shot, you know,
Speaker 3: seventy eighty percent of the time, then you can begin
Speaker 3: to start fitting. The difficulty with instruction is when the
Speaker 3: swing changes. Most people start out pretty stiff when they swing.
Speaker 1: They don't have a lot of athletic background.
Speaker 3: Saying softball or tennis, and when you get into lessons,
Speaker 3: their whole posture changes, and then the fit of the
Speaker 3: golf club changes.
Speaker 1: So does it make sense as somebody progresses over the
Speaker 1: years to be fitted multiple times each time they're ready
Speaker 1: to change their clubs.
Speaker 3: And not necessarily over the years, but over progression of skills.
Speaker 3: You know, as they get better, better than the fit
Speaker 3: would likely change. And instead of a cavity back iron
Speaker 3: that's going to default straight and make have a low
Speaker 3: center gravity, be easy to hit, you know, they might
Speaker 3: progress into a little bit smaller club they can work
Speaker 3: and you know, fade or hook around a tree if necessary,
Speaker 3: or out of the trees and get back into play
Speaker 3: and challenge them a bit more, so that that fit
Speaker 3: would change as well as the the tightness of the fit.
Speaker 3: You know, if you're fitting a beginner, the fit can
Speaker 3: be a bit quicker, easier, looser because things are going
Speaker 3: to change. It's more of a general fit. When you
Speaker 3: fit somebody with a lot more experience and abilities at
Speaker 3: that level, then you know it's a very fine, careful
Speaker 3: fit because now you have a really good archer. To
Speaker 3: go back to that analogy, and so that arrow has
Speaker 3: to be absolutely true. The bow and the sites have
Speaker 3: to be dialed in and you know just perfectly, and
Speaker 3: you know it's all about a team effort, the player,
Speaker 3: the fitter, the golf professional, the trainer. It takes a
Speaker 3: lot to be very good at golf.
Speaker 1: Well, it's been about five or six years since I've
Speaker 1: purchased any clubs, and I wanted to upgrade on my driver, hybrids,
Speaker 1: my fairway woods, so I thought I would get fitted
Speaker 1: to do that. Instead of just seeing what other people
Speaker 1: are playing, I want to know where my game has
Speaker 1: changed and if I'm either playing the right clubs or
Speaker 1: I do need new ones. So that's why I'm here
Speaker 1: today and we're going to go through a fitting process
Speaker 1: with Nick.
Speaker 3: Right now, what's your index? So what do you usually shoot?
Speaker 1: I'm My average score right now, according to my index
Speaker 1: is eighty eight point nine, so you're just about fourteen
Speaker 1: and a half.
Speaker 3: Dead on average golf slightly. I am an average golfer
Speaker 3: for slightly better than average.
Speaker 1: Probably very slight if i'm yeah, because I am under
Speaker 1: ninety and.
Speaker 3: You probably it's probably an honest index, not one of
Speaker 3: those ego and no, this is based on my sandbagger
Speaker 3: and yeah, this is definitely based on my gin. So
Speaker 3: let's start out loosening up a little bit and we'll
Speaker 3: start with a six iron, Okay, just to lay down
Speaker 3: a benchmark. We did talk earlier and you mentioned that
Speaker 3: your four iron and five iron somewhere between there you
Speaker 3: you know, have a little bit more difficulty repeating your sots.
Speaker 3: So let's just see what the benchmark is with our
Speaker 3: six and how that appears to fit, and then we'll
Speaker 3: see what our longest playable iron is.
Speaker 1: Now, what does this machine you're having me stand in
Speaker 1: front of right here which no one can see, but.
Speaker 3: Well, this is a high speed camera system based launch
Speaker 3: monitor and software package that's accurate to within about a
Speaker 3: half a mile an hour in your swing, about a
Speaker 3: quarter degree on angles, and at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: with uh your clubs, it's going to be within about
Speaker 3: two or three yards.
Speaker 1: We go.
Speaker 3: It's all working, good, good, A couple more, just just
Speaker 3: a couple.
Speaker 1: There so many, so many little things that need to
Speaker 1: remember about every part of my swing. It's like from
Speaker 1: back up in the top in the center meeting the
Speaker 1: hips and then got to get rid of that when
Speaker 1: I'm playing. But it's always it's in.
Speaker 3: My sleep and set up the swing. You just got
Speaker 3: to kind of feeling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right's take another one. See what happens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's looking pretty good. Let's just get one more.
Speaker 1: So what are we looking at back here on the monitor?
Speaker 3: We're just watching the ballfly right?
Speaker 1: So base what the launch monitor is? Picking up the software? Yes,
Speaker 1: picking up the ball flight and give a target. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a big white screen. Am I supposed
Speaker 1: to be aiming for something? Or just sure to hit
Speaker 1: the ball. Why didn't you step away and just on
Speaker 1: this last shot? Since we need one more anyway, just
Speaker 1: sort of imagine the target, use the lines of the
Speaker 1: mat to coordinate that, and pick the target and visualize
Speaker 1: it and swing away. When we're making a golf swing
Speaker 1: in the course, we're looking at the ball anyway, we're
Speaker 1: not really looking at a target. It's actually an imaginary target. Well,
Speaker 1: I love get behind the ball and I'm going to
Speaker 1: pick a target.
Speaker 3: So take down, aim at that pin out there?
Speaker 1: Got away all right, And that's one of the mist hits.
Speaker 3: So much for targeting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly, good idea, friend, That is that the
Speaker 1: spot right there?
Speaker 3: Okay, Now that was really important. Here is just to
Speaker 3: take a deep breath and reboot. Oh absolutely, so I
Speaker 3: absolutely staked as many in here as anybody.
Speaker 1: And well I don't what I don't do is just
Speaker 1: drop a ball and hit it. I'll definitely go through
Speaker 1: the whole preshot routine again in my normal game. But
Speaker 1: that was that was on tape.
Speaker 3: So that's I'm going to go over and delete that
Speaker 3: because that would, thank you, I appreciate that would throw
Speaker 3: off our numbers.
Speaker 1: Tell me when.
Speaker 3: Fire and ready, Well that was worth it. That was
Speaker 3: the best shot yet. Oh you know, sometimes you gotta
Speaker 3: sometimes you gotta hit bottom before you fly back up.
Speaker 3: So they're coming over to the monitor.
Speaker 1: For a second, coach, Okay.
Speaker 3: So on the monitor here we have all the numbers
Speaker 3: of rate out here. We have a club head speed
Speaker 3: very consistent on average, seventy three miles an hour.
Speaker 1: And that's great.
Speaker 3: So in regards to fitting, which you were talking about,
Speaker 3: when somebody has a really consistent swing speed and they
Speaker 3: repeat pretty good, it's now possible to do a very
Speaker 3: nice fitting.
Speaker 1: A swing speed seventy three and they're talking about some
Speaker 1: of the pros are up in the one hundred and twenties
Speaker 1: and thirties.
Speaker 3: That's drivers okay, good, So that does change from club
Speaker 3: to club.
Speaker 1: Your your club hit speed.
Speaker 3: Six irons are much shorter and they don't swing as fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, good, good, no, thank you.
Speaker 3: So seventy three mile hour club speed translate to about
Speaker 3: one hundred and seven mile an hour ball speed. You
Speaker 3: have a launch angle of eighteen point three. Your average
Speaker 3: shot was one point five degrees offline to the right
Speaker 3: in inner twenty six RPMs a side spin, so it
Speaker 3: was fading off to the right in addition to starting
Speaker 3: off to the right. Yep, and the back spins fifty
Speaker 3: four hundred, and we'll skip the total spin to centangle
Speaker 3: forty four degrees. That's really good, forty four forty five.
Speaker 3: Somewhere around there is a really good tocentangle to come
Speaker 3: in and stop on a green and hold really nicely.
Speaker 1: Now, we took the six h iron out because you asked
Speaker 1: me what's my one hundred and fifty yard club?
Speaker 3: I did, Yep.
Speaker 1: You said which club do you hit one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty yards before? And I said.
Speaker 3: That was a different conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The reason why I take the six iron out is
Speaker 3: just because we have optimization charts. It's smarter people than
Speaker 3: I have put together over the years, and they know
Speaker 3: for any given ball speed, and that's why that column
Speaker 3: is important. It's good to have a certain launch angle,
Speaker 3: and it's good to have a certain amount of backspin
Speaker 3: to be able to have a good playable trajectory so
Speaker 3: the ball takes off, doesn't balloon up too much in
Speaker 3: the wind. You maximize the distance at the same time,
Speaker 3: you have enough spin on the ball and it drops
Speaker 3: out and stops on the green right about where you
Speaker 3: want it without kicking and releasing too far, without backing
Speaker 3: off the green. And that's what we're looking for with
Speaker 3: an iron. So what you have with yours, will we
Speaker 3: go over to optimization chart. At one hundred and seven
Speaker 3: miles an hour, you are pretty much in the middle
Speaker 3: of regular flex, a little bit up towards the border
Speaker 3: between regular and stiff, a pretty average tempo, and pretty smooth,
Speaker 3: so there's no reason to I think too far outside that.
Speaker 3: In regular flex they recommend forty four hundred to fifty
Speaker 3: three RPMs is a good range of spin to me.
Speaker 3: In you're just over that at fifty four hundred, so
Speaker 3: you're getting a little bit of extra spin on there.
Speaker 3: Launch angle seventeen to twenty three. And see that's how
Speaker 3: this works. As you're launching at eighteen three, so you're
Speaker 3: launching on the low side of perfect and then you're
Speaker 3: spinning just a little bit much. But you also had
Speaker 3: we just did three shots. You had one shot that
Speaker 3: you came down on a bit differently and trapped, and
Speaker 3: you got sixty four hundred RPMs to spin and that
Speaker 3: probably threw the numbers off. So if you hit a
Speaker 3: couple more, my guess is it would average out and down,
Speaker 3: you'd be just underneath the fifty three, probably fifty one
Speaker 3: fifty two, and you'd be launching around eighteen nineteen. And
Speaker 3: that's not a bad place to be at all. So
Speaker 3: your clubs are pretty well fit for you.
Speaker 1: Oh that's good. Who finish it for them? Dan Sex?
Speaker 3: Well, so you use one of the best.
Speaker 1: I'm hitting off of a mat. How different would these
Speaker 1: numbers be if we're hitting off of grass?
Speaker 3: It would be probably a lot harder to get them.
Speaker 3: The mats very forgiving.
Speaker 1: Right, Practicing off of a mat seems very different than
Speaker 1: hitting off of grass. When you're practicing too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the difficulty in studio, and that goes back to
Speaker 3: One of the reasons why we have our ninety day
Speaker 3: warranty is when you can't see your target when you're
Speaker 3: hitting off a turf and you're in a real, you know,
Speaker 3: encore situation, people might hit the ball completely differently than
Speaker 3: they do here just because of where they're at mentally,
Speaker 3: how they feel in studio compared to out in the course,
Speaker 3: their home course compared to an unfamiliar place the ter
Speaker 3: for Matt conditions, it's all very different. But that's we
Speaker 3: do the best job we can here with the facilities,
Speaker 3: and if it doesn't work, you go out in the
Speaker 3: course and play with it, bring it back within ninety days.
Speaker 1: We'll take the feedback.
Speaker 3: In that point in interview, you know what's working, what's
Speaker 3: not working, and then we can adjust and refit if
Speaker 3: necessary based upon you know the actual results, and make
Speaker 3: a small adjustment. And then we're there.
Speaker 1: So a little bit off center here, but so I
Speaker 1: know that I have a fade, and I play my fade.
Speaker 1: I've never hit a drug. I don't even understand it.
Speaker 1: But when somebody goes out for ninety days and they
Speaker 1: have a fade but they don't like it, what if
Speaker 1: they come back and go I'm just every shot I
Speaker 1: keep fading the ball. It's like, well, good, then you're consistent,
Speaker 1: aren't you. I mean, isn't that consistency?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, who's the best player in the world, well,
Speaker 3: number one ranked?
Speaker 1: I guess that would be Tiger Well of all time, of.
Speaker 3: All time, big question, Tiger Nicholas. Time will tell yeah, exactly?
Speaker 3: Who is one of the best iron strikers of all time?
Speaker 1: Hogan? Hogan of more recent times. I'm bad at these quizzes.
Speaker 3: Probably Miller. Okay, well, at least he thinks.
Speaker 1: So yeah, right, I'll tell you that. He'll be the
Speaker 1: first time to tell you.
Speaker 3: But no, a lot of people would agree. But the
Speaker 3: Nicholas played a fade, and Miller could play a fade
Speaker 3: and really respect and talks a lot about Nicholas's fade.
Speaker 3: So you know, it all depends on what the expectations
Speaker 3: of the customer are.
Speaker 1: At the end, he explained to me, what you're doing now.
Speaker 3: So what we're doing is we are setting up a
Speaker 3: lieboard and we're seeing if the fade is entirely your
Speaker 3: problem or if it is a small adjustment on the iron.
Speaker 1: Because your little plexiglass board with a couple of lines
Speaker 1: right down the middle. So then you put some what
Speaker 1: you put a tape on the bottom of my clothes.
Speaker 3: It's called Impact eight, okay, and we put it on
Speaker 3: as centered as possible. Take a swipe with that. Let's
Speaker 3: see what the reading is and let's see if that
Speaker 3: fade is all yours or if your swing has changed
Speaker 3: slightly since you're fitting five years ago with Dan.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So in fact, you see the darkest one right there,
Speaker 3: it's almost dead on center. Then it kind of slid
Speaker 3: off the board, is what happened there. So let's do
Speaker 3: one more just to verify that. Sure, you felt pretty
Speaker 3: good about that swing though, yeah, okay, again it's probably
Speaker 3: right on. We won't see much different here, but we'll
Speaker 3: take one more for the.
Speaker 1: Books like that one more?
Speaker 3: That was nice, Yeah, and you can see where they were.
Speaker 3: So you're actually marking probably half a degree to the heel,
Speaker 3: So that means your heel is down just a little
Speaker 3: bit dynamically through impact when you swing the club bows sure,
Speaker 3: and your body shifts and for you this is actually
Speaker 3: slightly toe up.
Speaker 1: And that's something that I've recently been working on because
Speaker 1: I've been trying to and I don't know if you
Speaker 1: know some position, but trying to get the club more
Speaker 1: upright and flat on the ground because I always had
Speaker 1: a tendency to have the toe up, so it was
Speaker 1: a new thing for me to try to get it.
Speaker 1: But I'm clearly when I come back through impact, I'm
Speaker 1: not there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's a subtle fitting thing. So going back
Speaker 3: to what you were saying about fitting and the importance
Speaker 3: of fitting, that's one of the things you shouldn't have
Speaker 3: to unnaturally try to get the club to swing flat.
Speaker 3: The club should intuitively swing flat, and for two reasons.
Speaker 3: One is the center gravity. When you rock the soul
Speaker 3: of the club up, the center gravity, it's designed into
Speaker 3: that golf club for its particular use and it's appropriate
Speaker 3: fit for you. When you rock it up in the heel,
Speaker 3: the center gravity climbs. Now the club becomes harder to hit. Secondly,
Speaker 3: you can't see this visually, but you know when you
Speaker 3: have an uphill lie, yep, what do you aim right
Speaker 3: at the pin?
Speaker 1: No uphill lie is gonna go to your left, So
Speaker 1: you come around right. Okay, do you know why because
Speaker 1: your your swing is shorter? Because no, because that was
Speaker 1: a trick question. No, I don't.
Speaker 3: Most people don't. Most people don't know that answer. When
Speaker 3: the club's flat in the ground and going back that
Speaker 3: center gravity thing. If the toes down, if the toes
Speaker 3: up in the air and the heels down, the center
Speaker 3: gravity rises up and the club becomes less efficient. At
Speaker 3: the same time, if we square this to that line
Speaker 3: on the board that's pointing pretty much ninety degrees straight
Speaker 3: down the middle, right, correct, Now, I got my leading
Speaker 3: edge square to that line the same way. Where are
Speaker 3: we pointing?
Speaker 1: Uh, you're pointing way left. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The compound angle of the face of the loft and
Speaker 3: the lie angle. When that club is up in the air,
Speaker 3: you line up your leading edge, you're visually distracted the
Speaker 3: face is actually pointing left.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that that explains when you have an uphill
Speaker 1: lie why it's.
Speaker 3: So so your club was marking on the heel. We
Speaker 3: can flatten that out a little bit and make that
Speaker 3: fits you more perfectly and make it more efficient. It'll
Speaker 3: drop the center of gravity, but what you need to
Speaker 3: be aware of is it will possibly leak a little
Speaker 3: bit more to the right.
Speaker 1: Oh god, that's because as we dropping a little bit,
Speaker 1: this is the center and I'm hitting towards the heel.
Speaker 3: But you can play that fade. And that's where you
Speaker 3: go back and forth between fitting and instruction. Now you
Speaker 3: go back and you work on that release in or
Speaker 3: the ball position, and then you work with your swing
Speaker 3: coach and you try to get that worked out so
Speaker 3: it's more neutral and you have the ability to fade
Speaker 3: or draw and demand and take it to know the level.
Speaker 3: But for the club heads efficiency, you're better off. You
Speaker 3: would be better off if that was just a hair
Speaker 3: flatter and the club would be much more efficient on
Speaker 3: a thin hit, for instance, the CFG would be much
Speaker 3: much closer to the ball strike on a mishit if
Speaker 3: that was set up properly. Interesting, that's just a quick overview.
Speaker 3: Your clubs look very well fit for you. They probably
Speaker 3: your swing has changed slightly, just off and care. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and there's nothing wrong with the fade. But you hit
Speaker 3: three really consistent shots here with your six. Let's go
Speaker 3: try your five right now, and let's see where that
Speaker 3: cutoff is before we go into the hybrids and the
Speaker 3: fairly ones.
Speaker 1: See now, I mentioned you that I'm getting frustrated with
Speaker 1: my five because again I'm trying to lay the club
Speaker 1: flat on the ground. Because the way I always did
Speaker 1: it before, I was down on the heel and the
Speaker 1: toe was up. So I'm trying to position myself on
Speaker 1: my address with my hands a little bit higher.
Speaker 3: Hold on just one second, friend, I'm gonna put a
Speaker 3: different screen out here. Okay, Yeah, I've got so many
Speaker 3: thoughts in your mind right now.
Speaker 1: No, my mind is generally the same all the time. Empty. Wow,
Speaker 1: that was nice.
Speaker 3: No fade there.
Speaker 1: I was riding up the line.
Speaker 3: Huh, missed the line by a couple of feet.
Speaker 1: Oh, life sucks. What can I tell you. I'll try
Speaker 1: it again, see if it was an anomaly.
Speaker 3: Another pretty good one a little farther.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 3: Those are three pretty good swings.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Last when you miss hit just a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's not bad at all. And do you carry four
Speaker 3: iron or not?
Speaker 1: I do not. I do the hybrid when I get
Speaker 1: past the five.
Speaker 3: Five five is the last one. Yeah, let's just try
Speaker 3: one more. Okay, Yeah, you're getting that five pretty good today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go out and play later, coming.
Speaker 3: Over to the computer for just sure it. So what
Speaker 3: you have if we go back to your six iron
Speaker 3: for starters and you surely we'll take that off. Thanks
Speaker 3: miss hit there, So you got an extra three miles
Speaker 3: an hour longer clubs translates to an extra four and
Speaker 3: a half miles an hour of ball speed. But we're
Speaker 3: gonna look here is the difference is in. And look,
Speaker 3: by the way, with that one extra shot with your
Speaker 3: six iron, as I guessed, your backspin came down below.
Speaker 1: Fifty three hundred.
Speaker 3: So that's looking pretty good as far as how that's
Speaker 3: set up with the lofts and lies and the shaft pndpoint.
Speaker 3: So on your four iron you had a variance five
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, your six iron. On your six iron, you
Speaker 3: had a variance in yardage of one hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: to one hundred and fifty nine yards round it, so
Speaker 3: she had nine yards front to back on you. That's
Speaker 3: carry on Kerry distance. On your five iron, you had
Speaker 3: a variance of one fifty to sixty six. She had
Speaker 3: a sixteen yard difference.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So it just shows you that when you go from
Speaker 3: you know, that higher lofted, slightly shorter club to the
Speaker 3: next club in the line, just in those four shots
Speaker 3: versus those four shots, you're just a little bit less consistent.
Speaker 3: And so that's where we determine where the cutoff is
Speaker 3: for the irons in your bag. Interesting on the offline,
Speaker 3: on your six iron, you were twenty two yards right
Speaker 3: to four yards right, so you had an eighteen yard
Speaker 3: spread if we go to your.
Speaker 1: Average of just under fifteen offline. Fifteen yards offline.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the spread is what we're looking at right now,
Speaker 3: So it's an eighteen yard spread or variance. And on
Speaker 3: your five iron you go from minus one yard to
Speaker 3: plus sixteen.
Speaker 1: It's seventeen.
Speaker 3: So with those four shots, In those four shots, your
Speaker 3: five iron is almost as consistent as your six iron.
Speaker 3: It's a hair more consistent online and just the hair
Speaker 3: less consistent on the distance. So you know, it appears
Speaker 3: your five iron is almost as consistent as your six.
Speaker 3: I think keeping that in your bag is probably a
Speaker 3: good idea. So that's what our benchmark is. We'll go
Speaker 3: ahead and erase the six iron stuff, so we know
Speaker 3: you're distance cutoff is and this looks like a little
Speaker 3: bit of a mishit, so I'll take that one out.
Speaker 3: You have one hundred and sixty four yards. It's going
Speaker 3: to be your average carry distance on a good fire.
Speaker 1: So good to know because I always think, oh I'm
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty five yards out five.
Speaker 3: Iron so that matches the reality.
Speaker 1: So the reality is I do know the distance of
Speaker 1: my clubs, so our monitor actually works, is what you're saying,
Speaker 1: or I do something works, but it's important. It's good
Speaker 1: to know your distances in.
Speaker 3: A fitting in the whole process that the customer buys
Speaker 3: into the technology we're using. People ask all the time
Speaker 3: about what's the latest technology. And some of the best
Speaker 3: technology we have here at the Golf Mart is a
Speaker 3: launch monitor and using it properly, and it also helps
Speaker 3: with a customer. If they know they're five irons one
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty five yards and this launch monitor says
Speaker 3: it's flying one hundred and sixty four and a half yards,
Speaker 3: well then they're confident. Yeah, and you know they can
Speaker 3: relax and they can trust that. You know, this thing's
Speaker 3: not hocus pocus and it's really working, and that's really important.
Speaker 1: Sounds like I'm saving some money on my irons, So
Speaker 1: the flex is correct.
Speaker 3: Probably right, Yeah, you're dead on the middle of regular
Speaker 3: flex and Dan did a nice job for you. The
Speaker 3: Dynamite Gold and the Dynamical super lights for most recreational
Speaker 3: golfers are great shafts because they save a bit of weight,
Speaker 3: so aniguewise.
Speaker 1: At the end of the round, he also moved me
Speaker 1: to the metal shaft versus the graphite. I had graphite
Speaker 1: before this, and he said, you know, a regular, regular
Speaker 1: stiff on the on the metal flex was a better
Speaker 1: better for me than the graphite.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as you progress and get to be a little
Speaker 3: bit better golfer, the torsional properties of the shaft. Steel
Speaker 3: shafts only twist two degrees. Graphite shafts twists three to
Speaker 3: four degrees, and so you can be much more accurate
Speaker 3: with a steel shaft over a graphite shaft. But that's changing.
Speaker 3: Some of the steel fiber shafts by Aerotech, for instance,
Speaker 3: they're being used on tour, are just about as accurate
Speaker 3: as the steel shafts.
Speaker 1: Now, wow, Well it's your comment about as you progress
Speaker 1: and improve in your game. But here I am in
Speaker 1: the age where we're both getting a lot older, right
Speaker 1: and quickly, So you had to go there. Huh yeah,
Speaker 1: most likely not it's stayed the same or not. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll probably be losing distance over time, and just because
Speaker 1: of aging process, catching.
Speaker 3: Up technology and fitting can still help you with that,
Speaker 3: and you know, I fit, and some of it's conditioning
Speaker 3: to I can't tell you how many sixty seven year
Speaker 3: old guys I fit. They're still knocking drives or I've
Speaker 3: helped fit for a long driver and they're knocking them
Speaker 3: two fifty two sixty, two seventy two eighty all right, Well,
Speaker 3: even one guy here butch I think is his name,
Speaker 3: to the titleist driver and you can knock at three
Speaker 3: hundred yards.
Speaker 1: Still, Okay, he's a big guy though. Okay, three fifty though, right,
Speaker 1: So here's our benchmark.
Speaker 3: One hundred and sixty four hundred and sixty five yards.
Speaker 3: That's or five iron. So what we're going to do
Speaker 3: right now is we're going to go ahead and shut
Speaker 3: this down. Go over here, and we're going to go
Speaker 3: to customer fairway and I'm going to have you hit
Speaker 3: a couple with your fairway wood and let's see how it.
Speaker 1: Appears to work for you.
Speaker 3: So we got our starting point with a five iron,
Speaker 3: we'll jump to your three wood, four wood.
Speaker 1: Well, this is the now, this was one of the
Speaker 1: clubs that was made for me by Jesse Ortiz.
Speaker 3: Personally understand yes he did.
Speaker 1: He said, go get fitted for clubs. This is when
Speaker 1: I had to replace my last set because airlines. And
Speaker 1: he said, I'm going to give you this seventy teen
Speaker 1: degree and it's more like a four wood, but you
Speaker 1: can tell people it's a three wood. And I love
Speaker 1: hitting this thing off the tee.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, most people don't even know what a
Speaker 3: fourwood is. And I think Jesse or Tz did you
Speaker 3: a great service that way. And my experience here, more
Speaker 3: people than not fit into a seventeen degree four wood
Speaker 3: or high launched three wood better than into a fifteen degree. Wow,
Speaker 3: And so I think you did a great job. And
Speaker 3: maybe a tough time to fit you out of that,
Speaker 3: but we'll give it a whirl.
Speaker 1: Okay. And shaft wise, it's.
Speaker 3: Shaft wise, it's a pretty standard shaft. You can do
Speaker 3: some amazing things with shaft but that depends on budget.
Speaker 3: A year over year, shaft manufacturing tolerances have gotten better
Speaker 3: and better. So the shafts made today are so much
Speaker 3: more consistent than shafts made two, three, four years ago.
Speaker 3: How old is your club? Four or five years? Four
Speaker 3: or five years?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think.
Speaker 3: Most of the newer shafts are probably going to give
Speaker 3: us a little bit better spin rates and that'll help
Speaker 3: out with the distance. But I'll share how that works
Speaker 3: in a minute. Swing away. Okay, the long fairway club,
Speaker 3: the three or four wood, is probably the hardest hit,
Speaker 3: hardest club to hit in the whole back off the.
Speaker 1: Tea, even a really really really low tea. And that's
Speaker 1: what I do with this club. I don't tee it
Speaker 1: up very high at all. It's very different than when
Speaker 1: I'm hitting off the deck. I seem to have missed
Speaker 1: every one of those.
Speaker 3: It's better just try one other thought. You were asking
Speaker 3: earlier about the mats versus hitting off turf, and the
Speaker 3: mats are a petroleum product. The plastic grass is incredibly slippery.
Speaker 3: The foam underneath is pretty forgiving. Now, why don't you
Speaker 3: sort of psych yourself out and say, hey, it's okay
Speaker 3: to hit you know, half inch behind the ball. See
Speaker 3: what happens?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I feel like I'm hitting a way that's
Speaker 1: your best yet.
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, yeah, so we're onto something there. Tried a
Speaker 3: couple more. I'll delete to earlier ones, but that's uh,
Speaker 3: that's a pretty good start right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's been a lot alone where it feels like
Speaker 1: don't know why, and that one ballooned.
Speaker 3: That's actually looking good because we can take the two
Speaker 3: of those and average them together. Okay, it was slightly thin,
Speaker 3: one was slightly thick. What would be ideals if you
Speaker 3: just flush one right now? Okay, let's see what we
Speaker 3: can do. Relax, no thoughts, just swing more or less.
Speaker 1: Did that?
Speaker 3: There we go? That's all we need for numbers. Really, yep,
Speaker 3: I still don't feel like I hit one that I liked. Well,
Speaker 3: Like you said, every day is different. Yeah, if somebody's
Speaker 3: having a hard time struggling and they are not making
Speaker 3: great contact with a given club that we're trying to
Speaker 3: do a fitting, you got to work with what you have.
Speaker 3: So what we did is we took your first shot,
Speaker 3: which is a little bit in the thin side, We
Speaker 3: got one a little bit in the fat side, and
Speaker 3: then your last one was picked pretty clean, and we
Speaker 3: take those numbers and average them together. So your speed
Speaker 3: went from seventy seven to eighty five, the ball speed
Speaker 3: increased to one hundred and twenty three and a half
Speaker 3: miles an hour, and your launch angle dropped to twelve
Speaker 3: point three. It's a good thing you have a four wood.
Speaker 3: So now we're going to change the conversation. A lot
Speaker 3: of people don't know what a four wood is anymore.
Speaker 3: You have three woods, and everybody has a three wood
Speaker 3: in their bag or thinks they should. Most people do anyway,
Speaker 3: and a lot of people have three and five woods.
Speaker 3: The four wood's kind of a forgotten item. Certain manufacturers
Speaker 3: carry them, some don't, tailor made kind of hides theirs.
Speaker 3: It's a high launched three wood, but it's a seventeen degree.
Speaker 3: It's really a four wood on steroids. But I like
Speaker 3: to change the conversation with my clients and say, what
Speaker 3: you really need is a fairway driver. Forget the numbers,
Speaker 3: because the numbers don't always stack up. Sometimes it's a three,
Speaker 3: it might be a four, might be a high launch three,
Speaker 3: might be a two, might be a five wood, might
Speaker 3: be a seven wood. And you're talking about beginners versus
Speaker 3: more experienced players. Many beginners probably shouldn't hit anything less
Speaker 3: than a seven wood starting out because that extra launch
Speaker 3: angle and loft it creates. The launch angle gives them
Speaker 3: a lot more forgiveness and overcomes a lot of swing flaws,
Speaker 3: gives them backspin a high launch. If they miss it thin,
Speaker 3: they still get most of the launch off. If they
Speaker 3: hit it off to the right, it's got so much backspin,
Speaker 3: it's hard for the side spin to become dominant. A
Speaker 3: higher lofted club is going to be your friend. So
Speaker 3: that's probably why Jesse r T's puts you in the
Speaker 3: seventeen degree over the fifteen is for your swing back
Speaker 3: then that is better today, arguably because of the twelve three.
Speaker 3: And we're switching now, we're going to go over to
Speaker 3: our driver optimization chart. We're looking for a faaraway driver.
Speaker 3: Something on the average turf conditions that you experience you
Speaker 3: can pick off the fairway and as long as possible
Speaker 3: when you need to on a long part four par
Speaker 3: five recovering after you know, punching out of the trees
Speaker 3: or something and trying to get home in one so
Speaker 3: we can use the driver optimization chart for our fairway wood. Oh,
Speaker 3: it's really that easy, because what we're looking for with
Speaker 3: the driver optimization chart is to maximize our distance. That's
Speaker 3: what we're trying to do here. It's the turf conditions
Speaker 3: are different than a t is the only difference. So
Speaker 3: we go over here. One hundred and twenty four miles
Speaker 3: an hour still keeps us in the regular flex chart bracket.
Speaker 3: We go over here and we want to launch a
Speaker 3: thirteen to sixteen and we want to spend somewhere between
Speaker 3: forty four hundred and thirty one hundred RPMs. Now, because
Speaker 3: this is a fairway wood, we want to use the
Speaker 3: numbers on the higher side because most people aren't going
Speaker 3: to chunk a fairway wood. You might do that to
Speaker 3: an iron or wedge, but usually you're going to pick
Speaker 3: your fairway wood's pretty clean and your mishit's going to
Speaker 3: be a thin hite to ye. So we want to
Speaker 3: air on the side of slightly higher. So we're really
Speaker 3: looking for sixteen degrees and maybe as close to twenty
Speaker 3: four hundred as possible. Or for play a course where
Speaker 3: you have to hit over a lot of hazards, we
Speaker 3: might want to go for a bit more spin to
Speaker 3: be able to come down in a more playable trajectory
Speaker 3: and stop on a green, But that depends upon taste
Speaker 3: and what you want. But in general, sixteen degrees is
Speaker 3: a great launch angle. So you've got twelve three on average,
Speaker 3: and that's after deleting a couple. That's your three best
Speaker 3: out of six. Inner spin is high forty three hundred
Speaker 3: Remember I said, shaft technology has gotten better. A modern
Speaker 3: shaft can probably lower that spin rate. Jesse Ortz puts
Speaker 3: in a really soft tipped, easy to hit shaft for
Speaker 3: most people.
Speaker 1: And a line wasn't thrilled with the chefs that Jesse
Speaker 1: put on these.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to go that far for you. It
Speaker 3: may be a little bit too soft, So I would
Speaker 3: agree with Dan that way. But you know, Jesse Eertiez
Speaker 3: is designing for a certain target market that he's selling
Speaker 3: these two, and it works great for a lot of people,
Speaker 3: especially it's slightly softer swing speeds.
Speaker 1: Is it relevant that Jesse never saw me swinging club
Speaker 1: He just saw the numbers that I delivered from of
Speaker 1: pretty much the clubhead speed, the launch angle, and the spin.
Speaker 1: I think that's all I sent him.
Speaker 3: He was doing a rough fit based upon fitting feedback
Speaker 3: from whoever you said, somebody fits you, and then he
Speaker 3: did this, Dan fits you, and he took Dan's information
Speaker 3: and puts you into this. Yeah. You know the only
Speaker 3: thing I might have done differently is I might have
Speaker 3: put you in the stiff lex because the stiff lex
Speaker 3: would have firmed up and because the shaft to so
Speaker 3: much twist and because you have steel. When you go
Speaker 3: from steel to graphite, and if you're going to a
Speaker 3: softer graphite with a bit more twist in it, there
Speaker 3: is no standard for flex. So I might have actually
Speaker 3: put you in a stiff flex and that would have
Speaker 3: brought those spin numbers down a little bit and given
Speaker 3: you a little bit more distance perhaps, So do you
Speaker 3: want to have this swing something else? Yeah? So that's
Speaker 3: what we have here. So our distance on your best
Speaker 3: shot was one hundred and ninety three and our average
Speaker 3: is about one eighty five. What do you see? What
Speaker 3: do you expect with this out in the course.
Speaker 1: Off the deck? Two ten? But I know that on
Speaker 1: the off the tee I can go two twenty okay,
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 3: A perfect hit off of this, that's what you would expect,
Speaker 3: and you pull it out if you had two hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: Or more to go, and that's what you would go with.
Speaker 1: You use this if it's more than two twenty, Do use.
Speaker 3: This off the deck a lot? Or do you go
Speaker 3: to your three hybrid?
Speaker 1: Both? I do. I use both, and I do like
Speaker 1: the three hybrid off the deck for a two hundred
Speaker 1: yard shot. One hundred yard.
Speaker 3: Shot Okay, So now it is I guess playtime. So
Speaker 3: let's see if we can do a little bit better
Speaker 3: than one hundred and eighty five to twenty. Okay, let's
Speaker 3: see if I get one really nice shot off the tee,
Speaker 3: see what that distance can be. Okay, there you go. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what a difference to teammates. I told you we Wow.
Speaker 3: I feel like you hit that pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean lately I will first three or four holes,
Speaker 1: I won't even pull out the driver, and I'll hit
Speaker 1: this and feel much more confident, much more comfortable. And
Speaker 1: then if I'm hitting this well, then on a part
Speaker 1: five pull out my driver. But yeah, this this gets
Speaker 1: my game started.
Speaker 3: So what I did over here at the launch monitors,
Speaker 3: I eliminated your first thin hit, So you had one
Speaker 3: slightly thin hit, one flushed one, one slightly thick one.
Speaker 3: Now we've got better numbers. Now our best shots two
Speaker 3: hundred on a fly probably two ten was rollout, maybe
Speaker 3: as much as two twenty. So now we're in the
Speaker 3: ballpark of what I think your experience out in the course,
Speaker 3: and the our average is around So let's see you
Speaker 3: have any brand you want to try.
Speaker 1: First, Tailor Made seems to be awfully popular. Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't bet I have. I like Taylor made a like callaway,
Speaker 1: but I've never played ping, and everyone talks about ping.
Speaker 1: Nike is definitely in the game to play right now, And.
Speaker 3: So just while getting familiar, we do the same thing.
Speaker 3: But I'll have you hit one off the tea first,
Speaker 3: and then we'll hit a couple off the turf.
Speaker 1: Okay, And and what am I holding right now?
Speaker 3: We are holding a rocket ball's stage high launch three wood,
Speaker 3: which is seventeen degrees just like yours, except the club
Speaker 3: heads a bit lighter, the shaft's a bit longer, the
Speaker 3: shaft's a bit sturdier, and uh, you've got their wonderful
Speaker 3: speed pocket on the bottom, so you get spring off,
Speaker 3: the springs off the whole bottom of the face and
Speaker 3: your thin hits. You get just as much pop off
Speaker 3: the face as you do in a dead center shot.
Speaker 1: Oh that's always good to know, should I? Boy, did
Speaker 1: that sound like an explosion? Oh and hmm, look at.
Speaker 3: The ballmark is just a hair low, just a hair
Speaker 3: Even though you caught it a bit thin, it sounded
Speaker 3: like you caught it dead center. That's the way the
Speaker 3: that's way that speed pocket. Interesting, the whole bottom of
Speaker 3: the face is it almost bring.
Speaker 1: The speed pocket that he's talking about.
Speaker 3: Right here.
Speaker 1: You can see there's that slot right here that you
Speaker 1: can go inside.
Speaker 3: That's a little bit of a fade. Let's see, let's
Speaker 3: try one more. There you go, it's right down the pipe.
Speaker 3: We so, whoa, that's what Rocketball Stage two is all about. Wow,
Speaker 3: So you just carried both of those. The first one
Speaker 3: was a slight mishit, yeah, slight, and the second one
Speaker 3: you put a nicer turn on it so that your mishit.
Speaker 3: It flew a one yard further statistically, the same yardage
Speaker 3: as as yours, and then the last one flew another
Speaker 3: nine yards, ten yards beyond yours. Spin rates actually aren't
Speaker 3: much better. I'm not sure exactly why that is, but
Speaker 3: your launch angle, look at that, it's much lower.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So but that's off the tea. Let's see what happens
Speaker 3: off the turf. So we'll leave that good one in there.
Speaker 1: So this would be because now I'm hitting this one
Speaker 1: off the deck. This is the tailor made right the RBZ.
Speaker 3: Here we go, looking pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that looks really neat. Well, this is a fun
Speaker 1: video game.
Speaker 3: Every Man cave should have one, even if you're not
Speaker 3: a golfer.
Speaker 1: That feel better. Yeah, I'd say so.
Speaker 3: So you're talking about hitting your three wood off the
Speaker 3: tee starting out the round. For hitting off the tee,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if there's a better fairway wood in
Speaker 3: the store. And going back to what you're saying about beginners,
Speaker 3: a lot of beginners starting out would probably it'd be
Speaker 3: a lot easier game to learn if they had a
Speaker 3: high launched three wood like this to hit off the
Speaker 3: te instead of a driver starting out, because the shaft
Speaker 3: is shorter, easier to control than a driver, and you
Speaker 3: get all that pop all over the face and it
Speaker 3: works good so compared to yours. And you're hitting a
Speaker 3: brand new club here, so your fairway's tried and true,
Speaker 3: familiar club. We just went from eighty five miles an
Speaker 3: hour to ninety two miles an hour swing speed wise,
Speaker 3: ball speed, we picked up nine miles an hour on
Speaker 3: the averages best against the best. We have ninety three
Speaker 3: and four against ninety and eighty eight.
Speaker 1: Wow, And.
Speaker 3: Those are off the turf. Our launch angles on the
Speaker 3: low side, Our spins a little bit in the high side,
Speaker 3: but it's the club had speed the balance of this club,
Speaker 3: the extra length of the club, the pop off the face.
Speaker 3: It's just blowing away your fairway right now, even though
Speaker 3: the numbers aren't perfect, and the way it got there,
Speaker 3: because it's launching a little bit low, spins a little
Speaker 3: bit high. Just the first one we tried right here.
Speaker 3: On average, instead of one hundred and ninety two yards,
Speaker 3: you have two hundred and five yards. You just picked
Speaker 3: up thirteen yards on average.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: And uh best against the best. We have two twenty
Speaker 3: one against one ninety nine. You picked up twenty two
Speaker 3: yards best against best. Carry carry distance. Yeah, now I
Speaker 3: use a carry distance. I don't use the total distance
Speaker 3: because there's an imaginary fairway. The computer program has an
Speaker 3: algorithm and it calculates the rollout. We have pretty plush
Speaker 3: turf conditions around here, and I'm guessing in the courses
Speaker 3: you play here, you're not going to get quite as
Speaker 3: much rollout as you know this computer. If you're at
Speaker 3: a different location, then you probably won't get that much
Speaker 3: roll out, but it's going to be close. You would
Speaker 3: get up to two hundred and twenty four yards a role.
Speaker 3: Some of the courses around here that I know you play,
Speaker 3: maybe two fifteen two twenty on average, and that's your
Speaker 3: best shot was off the turf, not off the t.
Speaker 1: Interesting, very interesting. And the offline on that club versus
Speaker 1: my club, it's like there's a offline.
Speaker 3: It's a little bit a little bit, a little bit
Speaker 3: more to the right. So if you'll notice here you
Speaker 3: have the area of shaft, that's probably because the shafts
Speaker 3: a little bit longer. Yeah, and just the head design
Speaker 3: you have a slight more right bias. So this club
Speaker 3: you probably would have to play with a little bit
Speaker 3: more of a fade, and you would put up with
Speaker 3: just a little bit more inconsistency. But if you have
Speaker 3: to go along, you've got a nice lie, you're swinging
Speaker 3: good and you want to pick it off the turf
Speaker 3: or if you want to hit it off the t
Speaker 3: starting out your round on.
Speaker 1: It is a three wood or is this a forewood?
Speaker 1: Is this equal to the being the forewood?
Speaker 3: It's a high launch threewood high launch. The tailer made's
Speaker 3: vernacular okay, which means what means it's a forewood? Okay,
Speaker 3: Just like I said, we're looking for a fairway driver
Speaker 3: for forget the numbers. It's a great example of so
Speaker 3: this is a keeper. I think we'll put this one aside.
Speaker 1: And is that the club that you'd say, you know what,
Speaker 1: but before you walk out the store with that club,
Speaker 1: I think you need a different shaft on it. Or
Speaker 1: would we walk out with that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, So the option on that, because the spin
Speaker 3: rates are as high as they are.
Speaker 1: That is a low launch, a high launch, low.
Speaker 3: Spin shaft that they have on that, but it's creating
Speaker 3: a bit more spin than I think is ideal. It
Speaker 3: works for you because you're launching on the low side,
Speaker 3: so this it starts out low, but the spin takes
Speaker 3: it up in the air. The dangers under windy conditions,
Speaker 3: it might be a little bit harder to control because
Speaker 3: that high spin rate, if you're going into the wind,
Speaker 3: would balloon way up in the air and you'd lose
Speaker 3: a ton of distance. So if we can bring that
Speaker 3: down a bit, it would.
Speaker 1: Probably don't take that to bend in dunes.
Speaker 3: Maybe not yeah, un those three days a year when
Speaker 3: it's perfect out there.
Speaker 1: So but an alternative would be or else would you send.
Speaker 3: Me, Well, you'd mentioned you wanted to try the Nike Yeah,
Speaker 3: so here's a Nike covert. Now, the Nike covert. They
Speaker 3: don't have a four wood in the standard one in
Speaker 3: the in the tour model, they do have an adjustable
Speaker 3: three wood in five woods we can make into four woods.
Speaker 3: But so what we have here is just a fifteen
Speaker 3: degree but it's got a really hot face, doesn't have
Speaker 3: the speed slot on it. But here we have a
Speaker 3: cavity back design and real good heel toe waiting, the
Speaker 3: weights forward in the face and low. So in theory
Speaker 3: this will probably have a little bit less.
Speaker 1: BA all right, well, and you get to see this too.
Speaker 1: So this is the The Nike covert feels very different
Speaker 1: off the face until it felt heavier when it made
Speaker 1: impact versus I don't know how I'm describing as heavy
Speaker 1: but thicker than I mean. I guess the cavity on,
Speaker 1: the speed slot on the and the other one makes
Speaker 1: a difference. I don't know, it felt it definitely felt different.
Speaker 1: But let me swing some more.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a part of club head design these
Speaker 3: days is the acoustic tuning and making a club feel
Speaker 3: lively to mentally keep someone in aged in the game
Speaker 3: and feel like they hit a better.
Speaker 1: Shot that one went to the right, I can tell.
Speaker 3: But so you got plenty of distance that's longer than
Speaker 3: yours as well. Let's try it one off the tee.
Speaker 1: Okay, I felt real good.
Speaker 3: That looks real good right down the middle. Yep, I
Speaker 3: think you caught that a little bit thin. Perhaps really
Speaker 3: didn't he like you didn't have as much carry. But
Speaker 3: so here we go. It's right in there with the
Speaker 3: tailor made. You're not getting as much clubhead speed out
Speaker 3: of it as a tailor made, but your launch angle
Speaker 3: went up a little bit, your spin went down. Remember
Speaker 3: I said that the Nike covert head design is a
Speaker 3: low spin head design.
Speaker 1: It's your spin dropped.
Speaker 3: It really is, your spin dropped one thousand rpm. The
Speaker 3: shaft also could be part of that. The Mitsubishi Kurakagi
Speaker 3: red is a very good shaft also, So right there
Speaker 3: with the tailor Maid within one and a half yards.
Speaker 3: And this thing statistically isn't that accurate. So you're in
Speaker 3: a dead heat right now, your best against your best.
Speaker 3: Though the tailor Maid still is a two twenty one
Speaker 3: versus two eleven, so it appears the tailor made when
Speaker 3: you take both numbers together. The issue is, though in
Speaker 3: this one, you seem to have a bias a twenty
Speaker 3: two yards right a center, and the only one you
Speaker 3: hit straightaws the tea.
Speaker 1: So that may not be the best one for you
Speaker 1: because it's about the tailor made with that sheft with
Speaker 1: that because you were commenting, this sheft probably enhanced.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be a most of it, though, is
Speaker 3: I would guess in the head design, by moving the
Speaker 3: weight forward you can lower spin, And by digging out
Speaker 3: the cavity in the back of the club and moving
Speaker 3: more the weight forward, that's probably as much or more
Speaker 3: of the difference in spin. Tailormate actually isn't that much
Speaker 3: different with all the extra metal with the speed slot.
Speaker 3: But you know, sometimes you just don't know where it
Speaker 3: comes from. I can guess and postulate here, and some
Speaker 3: engineer at the company would probably say, I'm nuts and
Speaker 3: full of beans. So let's go on a ping.
Speaker 1: Okay, immediately, it's got a very different grip. It's got
Speaker 1: a very it's a thicker and softer grip.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that may take a bit of getting use to.
Speaker 3: I just pulled out the demos we had here. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so in your flex in that loft, that's the one
Speaker 3: I had, so hopefully.
Speaker 1: And see how it feels kind of neat. I actually
Speaker 1: kind of liked this softer feel. Well, I never understood
Speaker 1: what to look for in a grip.
Speaker 3: Go go, go, there you go. I like getting off
Speaker 3: the tea, went off the tant.
Speaker 1: Gonna give me the one? Huh Okay, that was so
Speaker 1: much fun, all right? So another swing with the ping
Speaker 1: off the deck now.
Speaker 3: Way right again, and sometimes too when I see somebody
Speaker 3: hitting it to the right, and and I'm not sure
Speaker 3: if you're doing this or not, but if you have
Speaker 3: some steering thoughts in your head trying to redirect that, no,
Speaker 3: why don't you play step back away for sick and
Speaker 3: just pick a spot left to center and just just
Speaker 3: play a five to ten yard shade, okay, and just
Speaker 3: be comfortable with it and swing.
Speaker 1: Ook at it.
Speaker 3: Sometimes when you do that and you take those steering
Speaker 3: thoughts out, you actually swing and you swing free and
Speaker 3: release and you lose a lot of the fade just
Speaker 3: a little bit. So that was that was pretty dead
Speaker 3: straight there. So we'll look at the numbers on the
Speaker 3: ping speed wise right in between the nike and the
Speaker 3: tailor made ball speed wise the same launch closer to
Speaker 3: the tailor made and uh spin numbers right in between
Speaker 3: and h carry distance right in there with them, and
Speaker 3: uh the differences though on the offline U S.
Speaker 1: One was it's it's it's it's.
Speaker 3: A little bit straighter there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the last one, that's a big one. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: unless you love the Nike, I'm gonna scrap that right now.
Speaker 1: I would scrap. Okay, just keep in mind the shaft
Speaker 1: you like. And uh so what do you want to
Speaker 1: try next? What do you got?
Speaker 3: Well, looks like you got always one of those. It
Speaker 3: seems like a four or even a five wood might
Speaker 3: be the fairway driver of choice for you.
Speaker 1: And why would you go five wood on the uh
Speaker 1: callaway versus what you were doing with the others?
Speaker 3: Me put a little bit of tape on. Sure, Sure
Speaker 3: I didn't do that before we started today.
Speaker 1: Uh well, not necessarily on the.
Speaker 3: Callaway only, But because you're launching consistently slow low with
Speaker 3: all of these clubs for your fairway driver, my recommendation
Speaker 3: might be to put you into a five wood hmm.
Speaker 3: And and if we if we do that and the
Speaker 3: company can re swing away the club and lighten it
Speaker 3: up to like a three wood, and we can build
Speaker 3: it to three wood length, you'd have a super high
Speaker 3: launched three wood, and that might be the longest thing
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 1: Callaway ex hot. Now I've got a white shaft which
Speaker 1: is really distracted. Alright, this one I'm hitting off the
Speaker 1: t dead straight. Oh my gosh, that is going right
Speaker 1: down the line and hit the line and it's rolling
Speaker 1: down the line. Oh okay, I need to hit more
Speaker 1: when you're not here, Nick.
Speaker 3: I did that on purpose, especially, it's all part of
Speaker 3: the fitting. I'll disappear again.
Speaker 1: Don't do that.
Speaker 3: That wasn't me at all.
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't because that was going right up the
Speaker 1: line too, and farther a little bit off, a little
Speaker 1: bit off, and.
Speaker 3: I'm going to delete the ping right now.
Speaker 1: Oh really?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah. The numbers on the ping clearly the
Speaker 3: both the tailor made and the callaway for you seem
Speaker 3: to be straighter and longer and more consistent. You really
Speaker 3: did hit the line on that other shot, didn't you.
Speaker 1: I literally bounce and then just rolled on the white
Speaker 1: as it was a yo yo or something.
Speaker 3: You know. I think their fitting's over. Oh that's the club.
Speaker 1: This is the club.
Speaker 3: That's the club.
Speaker 1: Would have an over show. Tell me more.
Speaker 3: Callaway so slightly slower swing speed than the tailor than
Speaker 3: both than the tailor made, and even just a hair
Speaker 3: slower than the paying Okay, but the key is see
Speaker 3: that launch at twelve four. Yeah, that's the highest launch.
Speaker 3: It's the closest one to yours. So what we're looking
Speaker 3: for is at thirteen to sixty ideally, and this is
Speaker 3: it twelve four. So you're at twelve four. Your best
Speaker 3: one was at thirteen to seven, so that was off
Speaker 3: the tee. Yeah. Well but in any case, launching around
Speaker 3: thirteen degrees and spinning around thirty one hundred, the shaft
Speaker 3: in that club and the club head designed appears to
Speaker 3: be giving you and your swing the best possible launch
Speaker 3: and spin numbers lot lower on the spin numbers a
Speaker 3: lot lower, significantly lower, so even.
Speaker 1: Off of my club, significantly lower. So this is great.
Speaker 3: So the Callaway also carried seven yards further rounded than
Speaker 3: the tailormaid and.
Speaker 1: Almost twenty yards further than my club.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it rolled out another three yards on top
Speaker 3: of it or four yards on top of it, and
Speaker 3: you got eleven yards over the tailor made and twenty
Speaker 3: three yards over years.
Speaker 1: And to me, the most graphic thing that we're looking
Speaker 1: at here comparing my club to the tailor made to
Speaker 1: this callaway or wait, we're looking at the ping.
Speaker 3: I didn't change.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is the callaway? Is that my offline numbers?
Speaker 3: Straight down, straightly down there, You're straight down the middle.
Speaker 1: Straight down the middle on this one.
Speaker 3: So longer, longer, straighter, longer on a carry, straighter, better trajectory,
Speaker 3: more roll out everything. Wow, I'm not sure if we
Speaker 3: can beat that. Yeah, I mean I was making a
Speaker 3: bit was over because you hit the line, But it
Speaker 3: appears that is indeed done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, on that absolutely. Although really find this shaft distracting?
Speaker 1: Why the white care? Get used to it?
Speaker 3: According to the numbers, you weren't distracted or whatever you
Speaker 3: were distracted thinking about certainly worked. Maybe the shaft distraction
Speaker 3: I took you out of your own head and you
Speaker 3: put down a better swing. Who knows.
Speaker 1: Okay, so get over it. It's like that's not going
Speaker 1: to be the thing that stops you from making a purchase.
Speaker 1: Right is the color of the shaft.
Speaker 3: I don't think we need an optional shaft. It's a
Speaker 3: great shaft, good clumbhead is working great and both off
Speaker 3: the tee and off the Okay, I think.
Speaker 1: So we've we got it on the fairway with now
Speaker 1: where we go, So it's so much fun.
Speaker 3: Now we go over here and we'll go ahead, we
Speaker 3: can delete your fairway information. We don't need that, and
Speaker 3: we go over here and delete the tailor made. We
Speaker 3: no longer need that. And so now we have one
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty four yards on in your five iron,
Speaker 3: and we have two hundred and twelve yards here. Now
Speaker 3: we need to fill in the holes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so that would be the hybrids.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be two or three hybrids. Okay, because we
Speaker 3: need to go thirty five forty seven, forty seven yards,
Speaker 3: So if we go fifteen fifteen fifteen, probably two hybrids
Speaker 3: if we could hit, if we could hit one eighty
Speaker 3: and one, a couple of hybrids, and.
Speaker 1: That's what I would pull out for the hybrids that
Speaker 1: I have. You would, yeah, I mean those are the
Speaker 1: numbers that I would look to. Yeah, one eighty and yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes, So you want to hit a couple with your
Speaker 3: let's start with the uh this one here.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is the four hybrid. This is mine, So.
Speaker 3: With a fairway? Would I was fitting you mostly for
Speaker 3: distance because I know that's what most people want. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but but I want I've been, we finish up with
Speaker 3: the accuracy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the accuracy distance is great, But as
Speaker 1: long as I know what my distance is, I'm fine now.
Speaker 3: But accuracy is far more important now. With the hybrids,
Speaker 3: it's not about distance at all. We don't care how
Speaker 3: far you hit it. We want to hit a number,
Speaker 3: and we have different lofts to hit those numbers. With
Speaker 3: the hybrids, it's all about accuracy. So what we want
Speaker 3: is a couple of hybrids. And intuitively, you can stripe
Speaker 3: off the fairway and hit straight just like you would
Speaker 3: hit your arms right right. So let's see how this
Speaker 3: stacks up.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, it didn't feel so great, but it went
Speaker 1: straight up the middle.
Speaker 3: That was a very nice one.
Speaker 1: Actually. Wow, it went from the center line and went
Speaker 1: on the right side of the line, then crossed over
Speaker 1: on the left.
Speaker 3: That's to me, that's a draw and I don't do that.
Speaker 3: That was the torque effect of a toe hit.
Speaker 1: Okay, No, that was definitely off the toe. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: felt off.
Speaker 3: So we've got three, and you know, partially because we
Speaker 3: had such great success with the callaway. With the callaway,
Speaker 3: let's jump right over there and see what happens.
Speaker 1: Okay, callaway ex hot come.
Speaker 4: We went.
Speaker 3: Okay, fireman ready.
Speaker 1: Oh why do you say?
Speaker 3: Uh, you just carried it a bit beyond yours, but
Speaker 3: also went offline. But let's try again. Okay, so we
Speaker 3: got our three shots. Let's take a look at the numbers.
Speaker 3: What was happening with your hybrid is it was launching
Speaker 3: on the way in the high side and with quite
Speaker 3: a bit of spin, so it was ballooning up and
Speaker 3: the wind. I think your hybrid would not be uh
Speaker 3: that reliable. So by comparison on the x hoot, instead
Speaker 3: of getting seventy seven miles an hour, you got eighty three, so.
Speaker 1: Picked up six miles an hour on the swing speed.
Speaker 1: He picked up some serious speed.
Speaker 3: Your launch was eighteen eight, which was compared to nineteen
Speaker 3: seven eighteen four twenty three launched a little bit lower,
Speaker 3: so it was much more ideal trajectory.
Speaker 1: And the spin again the.
Speaker 3: Shaft in the callaway xhot wow, twenty four hundred RPMs
Speaker 3: a spin. If we take the tape, you might pick
Speaker 3: up a little bit more on that, but not really significant.
Speaker 3: And see the descent tangle of forty one. So that's
Speaker 3: coming down at a pretty good trajectory.
Speaker 1: But where did the descent of the ball flight. Is
Speaker 1: that what that is? Yeah, we've not discussed that number.
Speaker 3: That means we did initially with the irons. If you recall, okay, so.
Speaker 1: That the descent angles once it reached the peak coming down. Yeah, okay, okay, So.
Speaker 3: You got one ninety five to two hundred and three,
Speaker 3: so it's about ten to fifteen yards short. That would
Speaker 3: fill right in, and we're twelve yards right of center
Speaker 3: on average compared to twenty six forty one on average,
Speaker 3: you're about twenty thirty yards right of center on your hybrid.
Speaker 3: So we got you straighter, and we got one of
Speaker 3: the distances plugged. So from this, it appears a five
Speaker 3: and a six hybrid would work out really good to
Speaker 3: plug in the holes and the six would drop back
Speaker 3: up probably to one one seventy.
Speaker 1: And can we try a different brand? Yeah, we can
Speaker 1: try another one, because I mean we went with the
Speaker 1: Callaway in this one because I had such success on
Speaker 1: the three would.
Speaker 3: Well and there was the reason I went with the
Speaker 3: Callaway too. I ever noticed the offset. Okay, So by
Speaker 3: have example and that obviously that allows me to hit straighter.
Speaker 3: Probably our best hybrid in the store is going to
Speaker 3: be the rocketballs and take out their five and give
Speaker 3: that a whirl.
Speaker 1: So this got this this swing slink that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the rocketball Stage two rocketball and it has
Speaker 3: the as the speed slot.
Speaker 1: Speed slot, that's what it is.
Speaker 3: I think that's what they call it.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what you're calling it.
Speaker 3: Something like that. We'll get letters. That's not what they
Speaker 3: call it.
Speaker 1: Like that one. There you go. Now we're gonna hit
Speaker 1: it out the deck. It's good to see there's other
Speaker 1: people trying out clubs here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I hit that h and I felt like I didn't
Speaker 1: hit it.
Speaker 3: You're actually in that one really straight. Yeah, So coming over,
Speaker 3: we'll compare those gallaway really quick. And as you can see,
Speaker 3: your swing speed's about the same. Yep, your launch came
Speaker 3: way down to thirteen eight And is that a good
Speaker 3: thing with the hybrid for you? That's on a twenty
Speaker 3: five degree hybrid. That's that's pretty low. And you'll hear
Speaker 3: spin went up to forty one hundred.
Speaker 1: RPMs from twenty four hundred.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're better off launching high with a little bit
Speaker 3: less spin. Yeah, And so that and my distance was down.
Speaker 3: That's why your distance fell off twenty yards hybrid's hybrids
Speaker 3: are bones in it down the line you were, that's
Speaker 3: the trade off. Intuitively, it's probably even though this doesn't
Speaker 3: have the offset, it's tailor made's black face white. It's
Speaker 3: their trademark and one end, and some people scoff at it,
Speaker 3: But a lot of people do see the line off
Speaker 3: the face a lot better. So now we have a choice,
Speaker 3: do you want the distance of the exot or do
Speaker 3: you want do you want the alignability of this? But
Speaker 3: this isn't launching, we would have to go. The problem
Speaker 3: we're gonna run into with this is we're already up
Speaker 3: to five and we can go to a six, we
Speaker 3: can't go and the loft is really way too low.
Speaker 3: So if we drop down to a four to get
Speaker 3: our distance back, our launch angle is going to drop.
Speaker 3: So even though you hit this the straightest for your
Speaker 3: swing and positioning in the way way you attack the ball,
Speaker 3: that one probably is not going.
Speaker 1: To be the best one. Okay, I'm gonna try something else.
Speaker 3: The other one that a lot of people really intuitively
Speaker 3: set up with well m is actually the older.
Speaker 1: The older pings, they look more like.
Speaker 3: The They look like an iron.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they also look at when when the Hybrids
Speaker 1: first came out and they were called rescue clubs, they
Speaker 1: kind of had a face.
Speaker 3: Like this, didn't they some of the original ones, the
Speaker 3: nick Kents and the original Atoms, right exactly, we're very
Speaker 3: similar and the can't more or less is no more.
Speaker 3: And then Adams has gotten away from it, and the
Speaker 3: new clubs look a little bit different. H wow, there
Speaker 3: we go.
Speaker 1: Didn't love it, didn't love the hit, but the direction
Speaker 1: seemed to go very well. That felt good, It felt good,
Speaker 1: and it looks good. Oh my gosh, it's gonna hit
Speaker 1: the weight line and it missed it.
Speaker 4: Okay, we it's just a little bit offline.
Speaker 3: She looks, look at those numbers.
Speaker 1: Let's see these numbers.
Speaker 3: So our club had speed dropped a little bit. And
Speaker 3: I believe that is because after a bit shorter. Okay,
Speaker 3: so it's a bit, it's a bit easier to control.
Speaker 3: And uh, actually it's also because that first hit was
Speaker 3: seventy four. You catch that a little bit fat, so
Speaker 3: we could redo that off the tea. In fact time,
Speaker 3: we go ahead and scrap that one because that was
Speaker 3: a bit of a mishit.
Speaker 1: So then our clubhead speed is do you want me
Speaker 1: to hit one more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's hit one more off the T. I to
Speaker 3: feel about that one?
Speaker 1: I liked it? Okay, how did it feel about me?
Speaker 3: Pretty darn good? Just a little bit longer. That perfect
Speaker 3: hit off the T just what we needed.
Speaker 1: Good. So now let's see the numbers.
Speaker 3: Now we'll go look at the numbers, and so what
Speaker 3: we have is, on average were dead center. Wow.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's closes.
Speaker 3: And the speed's just about the same or hair lower
Speaker 3: than the rocket ball. It's in the same ballpark. Actually,
Speaker 3: your launch angle is in between, so it's launching higher
Speaker 3: than the rocketballs. And even though you launched it on
Speaker 3: here two point six degrees left, you had three hundred
Speaker 3: RPMs and right hand side spin which brought you back
Speaker 3: to center. Your spin numbers are in between. So you
Speaker 3: have a little better green holding ability than the callaway.
Speaker 3: And but you're not gonna blooon up like the tailor
Speaker 3: made in this particular case. And you have like one
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty eight yards and kick and release, say
Speaker 3: one ninety probably one ninety one ninety two would probably
Speaker 3: be going into night screen, which kind of fills that hole. So,
Speaker 3: but the key is the dead center. Ye intuitively, because
Speaker 3: the face on this looks like an iron. You set
Speaker 3: this up dead square, and in my opinion, if you
Speaker 3: can't line up your hybrid and intuitively it doesn't square
Speaker 3: to the target, then you know you should go in
Speaker 3: and check something else out. So I think for you,
Speaker 3: that's a that's a great fit. And so I would
Speaker 3: probably go with a twenty three and a twenty degree.
Speaker 3: Now I would go with a with a twenty three
Speaker 3: degree and the twenty seven degree, okay, And that would
Speaker 3: plug in right in between your four wood at two ten,
Speaker 3: and then you would drop down to one ninety five,
Speaker 3: and then you would drop down to probably one seventy
Speaker 3: five numbers hal your one sixty five, and you have
Speaker 3: really nice spacing.
Speaker 1: So you think I should stay with my five iron
Speaker 1: the way it is, or replace that with a hybrid or.
Speaker 3: Kind of like you know, we just we just did
Speaker 3: a few shots because we're limited by time here. You
Speaker 3: know you're gonna know the answer to.
Speaker 1: That, Okay, all right, well let's let's move with that
Speaker 1: over time. That would probably be the choice then from
Speaker 1: the hybrid side, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, things, I think these pings intuitively you set up
Speaker 3: and line them up just great. Yeah, So I think
Speaker 3: the older ping g twenties because we're not looking for distance,
Speaker 3: we're just looking for an older club too. We're looking
Speaker 3: for dead straight. So you get a really good value here. Awesome,
Speaker 3: all right, can we do a driver on the driver
Speaker 3: take years out hit a couple.
Speaker 1: And this again is my Jesse Ortiz Bobby Jones. Definitely
Speaker 1: gonna have to put a different tea up.
Speaker 3: How's that one look perfect?
Speaker 1: I actually tee it up based on a spot on
Speaker 1: my finger, so I know it's the same every time.
Speaker 3: Whatever gives you that consistency, right, It's all about confidence, right, Okay,
Speaker 3: so this was my driver. Now you said earlier you
Speaker 3: often start off any of your three woods off the take,
Speaker 3: and then when you get kind of loose and comfortable, right,
Speaker 3: get to your first wide open hole, then you take
Speaker 3: out a driver.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you're not overly confident in your driver.
Speaker 1: Not every day, some days.
Speaker 3: Unbelievably, that was pretty good. So come on over, yep,
Speaker 3: and we'll take a look at those numbers. So in
Speaker 3: your driver we go back over to the same optimization
Speaker 3: chart we'll use for the quote fairway driver or your
Speaker 3: callaway forward in this case, but this was designed originally
Speaker 3: for a driver. So we have one hundred and thirty
Speaker 3: five mile hour ball speed puts us in the regular
Speaker 3: flex range. But in the higher side your best swing
Speaker 3: was one thirty eight, so it's a shy the stiff
Speaker 3: flex range. So you could go with the stiff flex
Speaker 3: arguably too so, but for the optimization purposes, we'll use
Speaker 3: the regular flex chart. We want thirteen to sixteen launch
Speaker 3: just like your fairway, and twenty four hundred thirty one
Speaker 3: hundred RPMs to spend.
Speaker 1: So we're launching at eight point four.
Speaker 3: We're four four and a half degree shy of the
Speaker 3: lowest decent launch angle to optimize a driver, So your
Speaker 3: driver loft is actually killing your distance. Where'd your driver go?
Speaker 3: So you have a ten to five there? Okay, So
Speaker 3: let's start out with a Nike just because it's probably
Speaker 3: the easiest driver to adjust in tune. And what we're
Speaker 3: gonna do really quick, because you play for that fade
Speaker 3: is we're gonna take it apart here and we're gonna
Speaker 3: go from ten to five all the way up to
Speaker 3: twelve five and sort of go right up there, and
Speaker 3: then we're also going to set it. Oops, did I
Speaker 3: say this was the easiest to adjust. So it's just
Speaker 3: really simple. You dial in your loft, you dial in
Speaker 3: your bias. We'll give you a little bit of a
Speaker 3: left bias, and.
Speaker 1: Once it's set, you're done. If you have all your
Speaker 1: numbers correct, you.
Speaker 3: Have all your numbers screen. The only thing is, like
Speaker 3: you mentioned bandon or if you're playing into scramble, you
Speaker 3: want to go for that long drive or something, you
Speaker 3: can drop your loft down to keep it out of
Speaker 3: the wind.
Speaker 1: Is this a problem that there's tape stuck on here?
Speaker 3: That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: So this is the one I was telling you about.
Speaker 1: A friend of mine had and I just I don't
Speaker 1: usually do this, but he had just won this in
Speaker 1: a contest and I said, oh, let me hit it.
Speaker 1: And I didn't take a big swing. It was like,
Speaker 1: take a nice, easy swing and it out drove my
Speaker 1: two best drives of the day by twenty five five yards.
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I think I need to go
Speaker 1: get fit again and see if this, in fact I
Speaker 1: do it. On is the wrong driver for me.
Speaker 3: The only thing I want to do is if you
Speaker 3: play a fade with yours normally on this one, I
Speaker 3: just want you to target it right dead straight.
Speaker 1: See, sometimes sometimes I hit it dead straight. I mean
Speaker 1: I'll lame for dead straight, and sometimes it happens.
Speaker 3: That's well, when wet and the bias built into this,
Speaker 3: maybe I hit it a few more times.
Speaker 1: That one we got right.
Speaker 3: So we'll take it up to these three about the
Speaker 3: same clubhead clubhead speed and the same ball speed. You know,
Speaker 3: the face inserts are kind of controlled by the USGA,
Speaker 3: so you're beginning about the same speed and the same
Speaker 3: pop off the face and the difference here we went
Speaker 3: from eight four up to ten four. We gained a
Speaker 3: couple degrees of launch, and that included the ones that
Speaker 3: hit it six to four. So if we take that out,
Speaker 3: then we're averaging right around thirteen or twelve thirty, which
Speaker 3: is about where we want to be, and our spin
Speaker 3: rate is about the same. But if we can come
Speaker 3: in at that launch angle with a little bit of spin,
Speaker 3: the that gets us out there. We have about five
Speaker 3: and a half six yards of extra carry average the
Speaker 3: best over best we have to eighteen two twenty. Actually
Speaker 3: the best one with yours was a bit longer, but
Speaker 3: it was a forty yard left center full hook. So
Speaker 3: we'll do is we'll take both of those out since
Speaker 3: both of those balls are gone and he's in the
Speaker 3: two best and the two best, so so hit.
Speaker 1: This one straighter.
Speaker 3: So you hit it straight there and further and without
Speaker 3: better launch. It's five degrees.
Speaker 1: Interesting, but maybe there's something better. Yeah, you seem to
Speaker 1: keep doing this.
Speaker 3: Try the titleist.
Speaker 1: Okay, now we're going titleist.
Speaker 3: We'll just stay with the titleist and then I'll get
Speaker 3: the table and makes money.
Speaker 1: All right? Well yeah, m we the offline was good
Speaker 1: on that. The distance wasn't bad either. Let's try again.
Speaker 1: Don't try to kill it either, mkay. Let's try the
Speaker 1: R one Okay, and this being the next Tailor made
Speaker 1: R one, the white the painted white head. You can
Speaker 1: see the line better as it's making the contact. That
Speaker 1: white really stands out. Interesting.
Speaker 3: Well, based upon the three hits, I don't think this
Speaker 3: is the one for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't like it.
Speaker 3: We'll give it one more, Troy. There you go. It's
Speaker 3: the longest one. Yeah, that's the reason why Tailor made
Speaker 3: is number one driver and golf.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 3: So let's speak of those numbers and see what we
Speaker 3: got here. So first off, I'll go over to this
Speaker 3: screen here so you can just see what the trajectories are.
Speaker 3: The white one is down kind of low right there.
Speaker 3: Let me see our shot circles right here. Noticing the
Speaker 3: tailor maid has got the one. Well, we didn't delete
Speaker 3: the one. We didn't well, we deleted a bunch, but
Speaker 3: taking your two best shots, you still had the biggest
Speaker 3: shot circle by far of all the clubs and going
Speaker 3: all over the place. Yea, and the shot circles for
Speaker 3: your club and the titleist and the.
Speaker 1: Thing paying the covert who were oh we different did
Speaker 1: a Calloway driver did?
Speaker 3: No, we didn't so yeah, And looking at the numbers,
Speaker 3: the tailor made you seem to be all over the
Speaker 3: map and have had an awful t hard time hitting Yeah,
Speaker 3: for whatever reason. It could have been the balance could
Speaker 3: be the colors could be your you're worn out and
Speaker 3: we won't want to finish this another time. But both
Speaker 3: the both the titleist and the Nike were longer than yours.
Speaker 3: And the biggest change is loft, right is you need?
Speaker 3: You need twelve degrees plus or minus uh plus a
Speaker 3: little maybe loft on your driver, and that's gonna get
Speaker 3: you up the right way changle. The Titleist was set
Speaker 3: for eleven degrees. The Nike was set for twelve and
Speaker 3: a half, and you see have nine degrees to twelve
Speaker 3: point four compared to your seven point six. And and
Speaker 3: then you have the side spin. Yours had fifteen hundred
Speaker 3: seventy five RPMs a slice spin on it. The Nike
Speaker 3: had eight hundred. Titleists only had five. So the titleist
Speaker 3: is flying the straightest of the bunch. Spin rate, your
Speaker 3: back spin was the lowest on the titleist. Probably the
Speaker 3: best shaft of the bunch that they put and done
Speaker 3: in their h Yeah, that'll be the last one. And
Speaker 3: uh so the titleist was the longest, and uh we
Speaker 3: didn't take out the one pole hook, but if we do,
Speaker 3: then it was the straightest as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, titleist is in the lead right now, and
Speaker 1: we have one more that we can give a shot.
Speaker 3: And that one more there is to make sure I
Speaker 3: got this set about right. So set square. We're gonna
Speaker 3: give you a little bit of a left bias, okay,
Speaker 3: so you don't have to worry about your slice. You
Speaker 3: can try going right down the middle. And actually this
Speaker 3: one we've got SS for square see is for closed.
Speaker 3: It was for open light up the two lines. This
Speaker 3: is here we have a slight left side bias and
Speaker 3: we have eleven and a half degrees, which would be
Speaker 3: about right for you.
Speaker 1: And now we go with the ex hot on the callaway.
Speaker 1: Didn't love the swing.
Speaker 3: No, it's not right there, we're just run seck. I
Speaker 3: went over. Yeah, take it look real quick. There's our
Speaker 3: twelve eight thirteen degree launch. There's a twenty four hundred
Speaker 3: RPMs to span two twenty two a Carrey. It just
Speaker 3: smoked everything. And I didn't love the swing, and you
Speaker 3: didn't love the swing? Wow, I do one more yep, wow, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you just don't know what's gonna work best.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's amazing. It's amazing that these clubs are not
Speaker 1: all the same.
Speaker 3: But that's the beauty of having access to all these
Speaker 3: brands and fitting cards as opposed as opposed to just
Speaker 3: having you know, one line of equipment that I'm on
Speaker 3: staff for last thing of the day. I want you
Speaker 3: to play a little draw on this. Start this out
Speaker 3: a bit right, because you appear to be hitting a
Speaker 3: really nice draw without that driver, right wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so let's compare the numbers and wrap this
Speaker 1: puppy up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know you're pretty good at the
Speaker 3: numbers at this point.
Speaker 1: The ball speed well, the clubhead speed same as mine. Right, yep,
Speaker 1: ball speed, faster, angle right where we wanted. A twelve right.
Speaker 3: Thirteen probably would have been better, but real close.
Speaker 1: Backspin twenty eight one hundred, twenty nine hundred lower than
Speaker 1: right smack in the middle. I want to be and
Speaker 1: better than all the other clubs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, five hundred better, six hundred better, and nine hundred.
Speaker 1: Better than on mine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so better launch, the second best launch far, best
Speaker 3: spin rate and carry distance gave me even though you're
Speaker 3: thirty two yards left to center. Yeah, that's the way
Speaker 3: I had the head adjusted, so we can adjust that.
Speaker 3: So we can adjust that back out. But your shot
Speaker 3: dispersion was within one yard of each other. You hit
Speaker 3: the same line each time.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's just an adjustment of the club.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right.
Speaker 1: And then the distance I smoked everybody on the carry
Speaker 1: it was almost thirty yards more than my.
Speaker 3: Club, twenty seven yards further than your club on the carry,
Speaker 3: and twenty seven yards twenty eight yards rounded on the
Speaker 3: crawl out.
Speaker 1: Wow, so this doesn't take a lot of adjustment, but
Speaker 1: you would say this would be my club.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just adjust it back to neutral. I wouldn't change
Speaker 3: the thing.
Speaker 1: Other than that, Wow, So I think twenty to thirty
Speaker 1: yards longer.
Speaker 3: How many times have you heard that clim yeah.
Speaker 1: Right exactly on TV but never run this. So basically,
Speaker 1: I think that what we've learned is that these the
Speaker 1: fitting is critically important to really learn the difference in
Speaker 1: all the clubs because they're so radically different that it's
Speaker 1: really important to get fitted to find out what's best
Speaker 1: for you. And we're all over the map. We're on
Speaker 1: Callaway Ping PINGA, the hybrids, Calabrids and Callaway D and
Speaker 1: the driver.
Speaker 3: But it's important to have an open mind, yeah, because
Speaker 3: for different reason. There's so much technology and there's so
Speaker 3: much performance built into these drivers. But everybody's different. They
Speaker 3: see something different, they put it down, they swing different.
Speaker 3: They something about the club bugs them or they like it.
Speaker 3: The balances are slightly different, the shafts are slightly different.
Speaker 3: And making sure that you I mean, you walked in
Speaker 3: here with a ten point five ten point five degree
Speaker 3: and you're looking at eleven point five and you're walking
Speaker 3: in with a five year old shaft and you're going
Speaker 3: out with one of the best standard shafts in golf
Speaker 3: right now. But as you can see, the club head
Speaker 3: speed and pop off the face is actually pretty similar
Speaker 3: because the USGA is regulating that. So it really is
Speaker 3: a lot of it is really about to fit Nick.
Speaker 3: Thank you again, Thanks again, Buddy, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: That was awesome. The key is you need to get fitted. Clearly,
Speaker 1: every club had a different reaction to my swing, different results,
Speaker 1: and we found the clubs that work best for me.
Speaker 1: Got to get fitted for your clubs. Never let me
Speaker 1: know you al anyway. M