WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:04.360 Golf Smarter number four hundred five, published on October eighth, 2 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:05.280 twenty thirteen. 3 00:00:05.480 --> 00:00:10.519 Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 4 00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:14.160 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 5 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:20.160 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets Old. Our 6 00:00:20.280 --> 00:00:25.079 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 7 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:28.719 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 8 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:31.000 So now we're going to change a conversation. A lot 9 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:32.840 of people don't know what a four wood is anymore. 10 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:36.000 You have three woods, and everybody has a three wood 11 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:38.640 in their bag or thinks they should. Most people do anyway, 12 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:40.679 and a lot of people have three and five wood's. 13 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:43.679 The four wood's kind of a forgotten item. Certain manufacturers 14 00:00:43.759 --> 00:00:46.719 carry them, some don't, tailor made kind of hides theirs. 15 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:49.479 It's a high launched three wood, but it's a seventeen degree. 16 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:52.159 It's really a four wood on steroids. But I like 17 00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:55.880 to change the conversation with my clients and say, what 18 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:59.399 you really need is a fairway driver. Forget the numbers, okay, 19 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:01.920 because a number just don't always stack up. Sometimes it's 20 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:03.439 a three, it might be a four, might be a 21 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:05.959 high launch three might be a two, might be a 22 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:08.599 five wood, might be a seven wood. And you're talking 23 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:12.640 about beginners versus more experienced players. Many beginners probably shouldn't 24 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:16.319 hit anything less than a seven wood starting out, wow, 25 00:01:16.480 --> 00:01:20.239 because that extra launch angle and loft it creates the 26 00:01:20.319 --> 00:01:22.799 launch angle gives them a lot more forgiveness. 27 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:29.480 Come on and join me as I get fitted for 28 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:33.719 new clubs with club fitter Nick Manzano. This is golf smarter. 29 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:37.760 You can walk into a department store and buy a 30 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:40.000 coat off the rack and it may fit you well 31 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:42.879 because you kind of know your size. But if you 32 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:44.799 were to walk in that department store and get an 33 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:47.879 expert to help you, to measure you, to make it 34 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:51.359 fit for you, to custom fit it for you, but 35 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:53.799 it's still a department store, you're going to feel a 36 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:56.079 lot better about it. You're going to be more confident, 37 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:58.719 and people are going to comment on it. That's kind 38 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:01.120 of the way it works with golf. You can walk 39 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:04.640 into any store and look at all the clubs they have, 40 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:07.799 know what your friend has and purchase one, or you 41 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:10.560 can have an expert at that store help you out. 42 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:12.919 And that's what I'm gonna do today. I'm here at 43 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:16.199 the golf Mart in Santrafel, California, and I'm with the 44 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:18.960 one of the half dozen club fitters they have here 45 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:23.840 at the golf mart, and this is Nick Manzano. And Nick, 46 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:27.520 why is it important for us to be fitted for 47 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:28.639 golf clubs? 48 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:32.280 It's you know, it's not important for everybody. For people 49 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:36.120 who want to better their games and to make it 50 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:40.520 more enjoyable and have more fun out there. You know, 51 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:43.120 sometimes it's the archer and sometimes it's the earrow, and 52 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:48.000 tailoring a golf club to somebody's swinging abilities is very. 53 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:50.759 Important if you want to progress with the game. And 54 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:52.759 what is the process of getting fitted. 55 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:56.319 Would start out with an interview and some kind of 56 00:02:56.360 --> 00:03:01.319 discussion and background is to what the person's experiences and 57 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:06.439 what their attitudes are towards certain brands or certain clubs, 58 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:12.000 and how fast of a learning curve they're on. They're 59 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:14.919 just playing and practicing, and you know, once a month 60 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:17.639 or something, you know you might fit them differently if 61 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:19.879 they're on an aggressive learning curve. You know, just like 62 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:21.520 a pair of shoes, you'd want to kind of fit 63 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:23.639 ahead of where they are so they don't have to 64 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:25.599 buy a new set of golf clubs every six months. 65 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:28.439 I get emails from listeners all the time saying, I'm 66 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:30.520 just starting to play golf and I know it's important 67 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:33.240 to be fitted, but I want to get my swing 68 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:37.319 going first. Are they right to wait to be fitted 69 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:39.800 and do it on their second set of clubs or 70 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:44.120 from their first set of clubs? Out? Is being fitted 71 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:46.319 going to make a difference, going to enhance their confidence 72 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:46.800 in their game. 73 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:51.280 That's where you know, ideally you would have if they're 74 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:54.719 starting out and they're taking lessons from a golf professional, 75 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:59.120 then ideally that professional would give them that guidance and 76 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:02.120 you know, give them an idea at what point they 77 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:04.800 can take that off the shelf seven iron and progress. 78 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:06.439 Onto something else, maybe at. 79 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:10.639 The practice range. And that's where you know, ideally, you know, 80 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:12.879 a good club fitter would be willing to work with 81 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:18.240 a professional and you know, coordinate that fitting. But as 82 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:23.600 long as they can repeatedly hit a shot, you know, 83 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:26.920 seventy eighty percent of the time, then you can begin 84 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:29.839 to start fitting. The difficulty with instruction is when the 85 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:33.920 swing changes. Most people start out pretty stiff when they swing. 86 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:36.399 They don't have a lot of athletic background. 87 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:40.959 Saying softball or tennis, and when you get into lessons, 88 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:42.959 their whole posture changes, and then the fit of the 89 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:43.959 golf club changes. 90 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:48.759 So does it make sense as somebody progresses over the 91 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:52.000 years to be fitted multiple times each time they're ready 92 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:53.680 to change their clubs. 93 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:58.160 And not necessarily over the years, but over progression of skills. 94 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:02.000 You know, as they get better, better than the fit 95 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:09.720 would likely change. And instead of a cavity back iron 96 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:12.839 that's going to default straight and make have a low 97 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:15.600 center gravity, be easy to hit, you know, they might 98 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:18.279 progress into a little bit smaller club they can work 99 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:21.879 and you know, fade or hook around a tree if necessary, 100 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:24.680 or out of the trees and get back into play 101 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:27.920 and challenge them a bit more, so that that fit 102 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:31.319 would change as well as the the tightness of the fit. 103 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:34.360 You know, if you're fitting a beginner, the fit can 104 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:36.879 be a bit quicker, easier, looser because things are going 105 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:39.759 to change. It's more of a general fit. When you 106 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:44.120 fit somebody with a lot more experience and abilities at 107 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:47.879 that level, then you know it's a very fine, careful 108 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:51.319 fit because now you have a really good archer. To 109 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:53.839 go back to that analogy, and so that arrow has 110 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:56.279 to be absolutely true. The bow and the sites have 111 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:59.480 to be dialed in and you know just perfectly, and 112 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:03.560 you know it's all about a team effort, the player, 113 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:10.480 the fitter, the golf professional, the trainer. It takes a 114 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:11.720 lot to be very good at golf. 115 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:14.160 Well, it's been about five or six years since I've 116 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:20.399 purchased any clubs, and I wanted to upgrade on my driver, hybrids, 117 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:24.959 my fairway woods, so I thought I would get fitted 118 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:27.879 to do that. Instead of just seeing what other people 119 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:30.120 are playing, I want to know where my game has 120 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:32.600 changed and if I'm either playing the right clubs or 121 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:34.920 I do need new ones. So that's why I'm here 122 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:36.879 today and we're going to go through a fitting process 123 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:37.319 with Nick. 124 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:39.680 Right now, what's your index? So what do you usually shoot? 125 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:42.959 I'm My average score right now, according to my index 126 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:47.720 is eighty eight point nine, so you're just about fourteen 127 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:48.240 and a half. 128 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:50.759 Dead on average golf slightly. I am an average golfer 129 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:52.279 for slightly better than average. 130 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:55.240 Probably very slight if i'm yeah, because I am under 131 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:55.879 ninety and. 132 00:06:56.120 --> 00:06:59.040 You probably it's probably an honest index, not one of 133 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:02.759 those ego and no, this is based on my sandbagger 134 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:05.879 and yeah, this is definitely based on my gin. So 135 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:10.800 let's start out loosening up a little bit and we'll 136 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:12.920 start with a six iron, Okay, just to lay down 137 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:15.720 a benchmark. We did talk earlier and you mentioned that 138 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:21.680 your four iron and five iron somewhere between there you 139 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:25.920 you know, have a little bit more difficulty repeating your sots. 140 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:27.680 So let's just see what the benchmark is with our 141 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:32.560 six and how that appears to fit, and then we'll 142 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:34.360 see what our longest playable iron is. 143 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:37.360 Now, what does this machine you're having me stand in 144 00:07:37.399 --> 00:07:39.399 front of right here which no one can see, but. 145 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:45.639 Well, this is a high speed camera system based launch 146 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:53.079 monitor and software package that's accurate to within about a 147 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:54.800 half a mile an hour in your swing, about a 148 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:59.319 quarter degree on angles, and at the end of the day, 149 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:03.040 with uh your clubs, it's going to be within about 150 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:04.000 two or three yards. 151 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:10.120 We go. 152 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:15.040 It's all working, good, good, A couple more, just just 153 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:15.480 a couple. 154 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:23.439 There so many, so many little things that need to 155 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:25.800 remember about every part of my swing. It's like from 156 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:27.720 back up in the top in the center meeting the 157 00:08:27.759 --> 00:08:30.879 hips and then got to get rid of that when 158 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:33.279 I'm playing. But it's always it's in. 159 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:37.000 My sleep and set up the swing. You just got 160 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:37.639 to kind of feeling. 161 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:40.759 Yeah, all right's take another one. See what happens. 162 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:53.799 Yeah, it's looking pretty good. Let's just get one more. 163 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:56.279 So what are we looking at back here on the monitor? 164 00:08:57.879 --> 00:08:59.240 We're just watching the ballfly right? 165 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:03.840 So base what the launch monitor is? Picking up the software? Yes, 166 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:06.919 picking up the ball flight and give a target. Man, 167 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:08.720 I'm looking at a big white screen. Am I supposed 168 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:10.720 to be aiming for something? Or just sure to hit 169 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:12.759 the ball. Why didn't you step away and just on 170 00:09:12.799 --> 00:09:14.919 this last shot? Since we need one more anyway, just 171 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:17.399 sort of imagine the target, use the lines of the 172 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:21.320 mat to coordinate that, and pick the target and visualize 173 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:23.720 it and swing away. When we're making a golf swing 174 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:26.039 in the course, we're looking at the ball anyway, we're 175 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:29.080 not really looking at a target. It's actually an imaginary target. Well, 176 00:09:29.080 --> 00:09:31.240 I love get behind the ball and I'm going to 177 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:31.799 pick a target. 178 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:35.080 So take down, aim at that pin out there? 179 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:49.360 Got away all right, And that's one of the mist hits. 180 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:50.240 So much for targeting. 181 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:53.679 Yeah, right, exactly, good idea, friend, That is that the 182 00:09:53.720 --> 00:09:54.600 spot right there? 183 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:56.919 Okay, Now that was really important. Here is just to 184 00:09:57.080 --> 00:10:00.320 take a deep breath and reboot. Oh absolutely, so I 185 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:02.639 absolutely staked as many in here as anybody. 186 00:10:02.679 --> 00:10:05.440 And well I don't what I don't do is just 187 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:07.320 drop a ball and hit it. I'll definitely go through 188 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:10.879 the whole preshot routine again in my normal game. But 189 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:13.120 that was that was on tape. 190 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:14.799 So that's I'm going to go over and delete that 191 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:17.200 because that would, thank you, I appreciate that would throw 192 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:18.440 off our numbers. 193 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:19.720 Tell me when. 194 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:27.039 Fire and ready, Well that was worth it. That was 195 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:30.399 the best shot yet. Oh you know, sometimes you gotta 196 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.480 sometimes you gotta hit bottom before you fly back up. 197 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:36.840 So they're coming over to the monitor. 198 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:40.799 For a second, coach, Okay. 199 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:45.440 So on the monitor here we have all the numbers 200 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:47.279 of rate out here. We have a club head speed 201 00:10:47.559 --> 00:10:49.840 very consistent on average, seventy three miles an hour. 202 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:50.879 And that's great. 203 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:53.759 So in regards to fitting, which you were talking about, 204 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:56.559 when somebody has a really consistent swing speed and they 205 00:10:56.600 --> 00:11:00.279 repeat pretty good, it's now possible to do a very 206 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:01.240 nice fitting. 207 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:04.200 A swing speed seventy three and they're talking about some 208 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:06.320 of the pros are up in the one hundred and twenties 209 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:07.200 and thirties. 210 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:11.279 That's drivers okay, good, So that does change from club 211 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:11.639 to club. 212 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:12.679 Your your club hit speed. 213 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:15.080 Six irons are much shorter and they don't swing as fast. 214 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:17.480 Yeah, okay, good, good, no, thank you. 215 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:20.519 So seventy three mile hour club speed translate to about 216 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:23.279 one hundred and seven mile an hour ball speed. You 217 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:26.600 have a launch angle of eighteen point three. Your average 218 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:29.279 shot was one point five degrees offline to the right 219 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:34.120 in inner twenty six RPMs a side spin, so it 220 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:36.840 was fading off to the right in addition to starting 221 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:39.440 off to the right. Yep, and the back spins fifty 222 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:43.720 four hundred, and we'll skip the total spin to centangle 223 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:47.279 forty four degrees. That's really good, forty four forty five. 224 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:50.879 Somewhere around there is a really good tocentangle to come 225 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:53.759 in and stop on a green and hold really nicely. 226 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:56.039 Now, we took the six h iron out because you asked 227 00:11:56.039 --> 00:11:57.759 me what's my one hundred and fifty yard club? 228 00:11:58.440 --> 00:11:59.320 I did, Yep. 229 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:02.200 You said which club do you hit one hundred and 230 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:04.799 fifty yards before? And I said. 231 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:08.279 That was a different conversation. 232 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:08.600 Yeah. 233 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:10.679 The reason why I take the six iron out is 234 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:14.320 just because we have optimization charts. It's smarter people than 235 00:12:14.360 --> 00:12:17.000 I have put together over the years, and they know 236 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:19.559 for any given ball speed, and that's why that column 237 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:22.559 is important. It's good to have a certain launch angle, 238 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:24.679 and it's good to have a certain amount of backspin 239 00:12:25.399 --> 00:12:27.399 to be able to have a good playable trajectory so 240 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:30.759 the ball takes off, doesn't balloon up too much in 241 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:34.159 the wind. You maximize the distance at the same time, 242 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:36.840 you have enough spin on the ball and it drops 243 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:39.639 out and stops on the green right about where you 244 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:42.320 want it without kicking and releasing too far, without backing 245 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:46.000 off the green. And that's what we're looking for with 246 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:48.879 an iron. So what you have with yours, will we 247 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:51.879 go over to optimization chart. At one hundred and seven 248 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:55.120 miles an hour, you are pretty much in the middle 249 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:58.200 of regular flex, a little bit up towards the border 250 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:04.000 between regular and stiff, a pretty average tempo, and pretty smooth, 251 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:07.799 so there's no reason to I think too far outside that. 252 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:11.919 In regular flex they recommend forty four hundred to fifty 253 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:14.600 three RPMs is a good range of spin to me. 254 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:18.840 In you're just over that at fifty four hundred, so 255 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:22.200 you're getting a little bit of extra spin on there. 256 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:27.399 Launch angle seventeen to twenty three. And see that's how 257 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:30.480 this works. As you're launching at eighteen three, so you're 258 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:33.279 launching on the low side of perfect and then you're 259 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:37.120 spinning just a little bit much. But you also had 260 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:40.399 we just did three shots. You had one shot that 261 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:43.960 you came down on a bit differently and trapped, and 262 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:46.519 you got sixty four hundred RPMs to spin and that 263 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:48.600 probably threw the numbers off. So if you hit a 264 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:51.879 couple more, my guess is it would average out and down, 265 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:55.639 you'd be just underneath the fifty three, probably fifty one 266 00:13:55.799 --> 00:14:01.279 fifty two, and you'd be launching around eighteen nineteen. And 267 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:03.240 that's not a bad place to be at all. So 268 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:05.080 your clubs are pretty well fit for you. 269 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:09.279 Oh that's good. Who finish it for them? Dan Sex? 270 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:11.440 Well, so you use one of the best. 271 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:21.720 I'm hitting off of a mat. How different would these 272 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:23.480 numbers be if we're hitting off of grass? 273 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:25.559 It would be probably a lot harder to get them. 274 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:27.279 The mats very forgiving. 275 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:31.279 Right, Practicing off of a mat seems very different than 276 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:35.200 hitting off of grass. When you're practicing too. 277 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:38.360 Yeah, the difficulty in studio, and that goes back to 278 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:40.120 One of the reasons why we have our ninety day 279 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:43.919 warranty is when you can't see your target when you're 280 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:48.799 hitting off a turf and you're in a real, you know, 281 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:53.399 encore situation, people might hit the ball completely differently than 282 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:55.600 they do here just because of where they're at mentally, 283 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:58.159 how they feel in studio compared to out in the course, 284 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:02.559 their home course compared to an unfamiliar place the ter 285 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:05.759 for Matt conditions, it's all very different. But that's we 286 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:08.200 do the best job we can here with the facilities, 287 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:11.879 and if it doesn't work, you go out in the 288 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:14.600 course and play with it, bring it back within ninety days. 289 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:15.759 We'll take the feedback. 290 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:18.639 In that point in interview, you know what's working, what's 291 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:21.600 not working, and then we can adjust and refit if 292 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:27.799 necessary based upon you know the actual results, and make 293 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:29.240 a small adjustment. And then we're there. 294 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:34.360 So a little bit off center here, but so I 295 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:36.879 know that I have a fade, and I play my fade. 296 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:39.639 I've never hit a drug. I don't even understand it. 297 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:43.080 But when somebody goes out for ninety days and they 298 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:45.320 have a fade but they don't like it, what if 299 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:48.279 they come back and go I'm just every shot I 300 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:50.960 keep fading the ball. It's like, well, good, then you're consistent, 301 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:54.039 aren't you. I mean, isn't that consistency? 302 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:57.720 Well, I mean, who's the best player in the world, well, 303 00:15:57.799 --> 00:15:58.759 number one ranked? 304 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:02.399 I guess that would be Tiger Well of all time, of. 305 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:07.919 All time, big question, Tiger Nicholas. Time will tell yeah, exactly? 306 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:10.000 Who is one of the best iron strikers of all time? 307 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:16.080 Hogan? Hogan of more recent times. I'm bad at these quizzes. 308 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:19.799 Probably Miller. Okay, well, at least he thinks. 309 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:21.240 So yeah, right, I'll tell you that. He'll be the 310 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:22.200 first time to tell you. 311 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:27.159 But no, a lot of people would agree. But the 312 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:32.759 Nicholas played a fade, and Miller could play a fade 313 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:37.720 and really respect and talks a lot about Nicholas's fade. 314 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:41.320 So you know, it all depends on what the expectations 315 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:42.080 of the customer are. 316 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:43.960 At the end, he explained to me, what you're doing now. 317 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:47.960 So what we're doing is we are setting up a 318 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:53.360 lieboard and we're seeing if the fade is entirely your 319 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:57.120 problem or if it is a small adjustment on the iron. 320 00:16:57.159 --> 00:17:00.440 Because your little plexiglass board with a couple of lines 321 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:02.759 right down the middle. So then you put some what 322 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:04.720 you put a tape on the bottom of my clothes. 323 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:07.240 It's called Impact eight, okay, and we put it on 324 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:10.839 as centered as possible. Take a swipe with that. Let's 325 00:17:10.839 --> 00:17:12.920 see what the reading is and let's see if that 326 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:15.319 fade is all yours or if your swing has changed 327 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:17.920 slightly since you're fitting five years ago with Dan. 328 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:26.599 Okay. 329 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:34.680 So in fact, you see the darkest one right there, 330 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:36.759 it's almost dead on center. Then it kind of slid 331 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:40.160 off the board, is what happened there. So let's do 332 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:42.599 one more just to verify that. Sure, you felt pretty 333 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:45.920 good about that swing though, yeah, okay, again it's probably 334 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:48.599 right on. We won't see much different here, but we'll 335 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:49.400 take one more for the. 336 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:55.599 Books like that one more? 337 00:17:56.119 --> 00:18:01.680 That was nice, Yeah, and you can see where they were. 338 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:08.160 So you're actually marking probably half a degree to the heel, 339 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:12.519 So that means your heel is down just a little 340 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:16.759 bit dynamically through impact when you swing the club bows sure, 341 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:22.880 and your body shifts and for you this is actually 342 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:24.880 slightly toe up. 343 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:29.640 And that's something that I've recently been working on because 344 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:31.400 I've been trying to and I don't know if you 345 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:33.559 know some position, but trying to get the club more 346 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:35.960 upright and flat on the ground because I always had 347 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:39.279 a tendency to have the toe up, so it was 348 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:40.839 a new thing for me to try to get it. 349 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:43.319 But I'm clearly when I come back through impact, I'm 350 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:43.640 not there. 351 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:46.599 Yeah, And that's a subtle fitting thing. So going back 352 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:48.960 to what you were saying about fitting and the importance 353 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:51.720 of fitting, that's one of the things you shouldn't have 354 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:55.920 to unnaturally try to get the club to swing flat. 355 00:18:56.440 --> 00:18:59.359 The club should intuitively swing flat, and for two reasons. 356 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:03.119 One is the center gravity. When you rock the soul 357 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:07.359 of the club up, the center gravity, it's designed into 358 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:11.200 that golf club for its particular use and it's appropriate 359 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:13.680 fit for you. When you rock it up in the heel, 360 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:18.680 the center gravity climbs. Now the club becomes harder to hit. Secondly, 361 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:21.359 you can't see this visually, but you know when you 362 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:24.359 have an uphill lie, yep, what do you aim right 363 00:19:24.359 --> 00:19:24.720 at the pin? 364 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:28.480 No uphill lie is gonna go to your left, So 365 00:19:28.519 --> 00:19:32.960 you come around right. Okay, do you know why because 366 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:36.640 your your swing is shorter? Because no, because that was 367 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:38.200 a trick question. No, I don't. 368 00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:41.640 Most people don't. Most people don't know that answer. When 369 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:44.119 the club's flat in the ground and going back that 370 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:47.880 center gravity thing. If the toes down, if the toes 371 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:50.079 up in the air and the heels down, the center 372 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:53.359 gravity rises up and the club becomes less efficient. At 373 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:58.119 the same time, if we square this to that line 374 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:01.480 on the board that's pointing pretty much ninety degrees straight 375 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:05.079 down the middle, right, correct, Now, I got my leading 376 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:07.240 edge square to that line the same way. Where are 377 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:07.680 we pointing? 378 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:10.559 Uh, you're pointing way left. Yeah. 379 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:16.000 The compound angle of the face of the loft and 380 00:20:16.039 --> 00:20:19.400 the lie angle. When that club is up in the air, 381 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:23.000 you line up your leading edge, you're visually distracted the 382 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:24.400 face is actually pointing left. 383 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:28.920 Okay, So that that explains when you have an uphill 384 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:30.240 lie why it's. 385 00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:34.359 So so your club was marking on the heel. We 386 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:36.960 can flatten that out a little bit and make that 387 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:40.079 fits you more perfectly and make it more efficient. It'll 388 00:20:40.119 --> 00:20:42.079 drop the center of gravity, but what you need to 389 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:45.000 be aware of is it will possibly leak a little 390 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:45.599 bit more to the right. 391 00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:51.400 Oh god, that's because as we dropping a little bit, 392 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:55.279 this is the center and I'm hitting towards the heel. 393 00:20:56.519 --> 00:20:59.200 But you can play that fade. And that's where you 394 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:02.319 go back and forth between fitting and instruction. Now you 395 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:05.519 go back and you work on that release in or 396 00:21:05.559 --> 00:21:07.880 the ball position, and then you work with your swing 397 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:10.640 coach and you try to get that worked out so 398 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:12.640 it's more neutral and you have the ability to fade 399 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:14.759 or draw and demand and take it to know the level. 400 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:18.960 But for the club heads efficiency, you're better off. You 401 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:20.400