WEBVTT 1 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:31.079 Welcome to this month's bonus Patreon minisote for the Path 2 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:33.479 Went Chili. Today, it's just going to be Jewels and 3 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:36.079 I doing the episode because at the time of this recording, 4 00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:38.399 Ashley is only a few weeks away from giving birth, 5 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:41.439 so she's quite busy right now. So we're gonna follow 6 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:43.439 the standard formula when it's just the two of us, 7 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:45.880 where I share the details of a case with Jewels 8 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:48.679 that she does not know, and she will give off 9 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:51.000 her reactions. So I guess I'll start off by asking 10 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:53.000 you right away, have you ever heard of the case 11 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:56.159 of the unexplained disappearance and death of Tim Molnar. 12 00:00:57.000 --> 00:01:00.560 I've never heard of this case. I'm always really when 13 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:02.880 we have a case where I'm not familiar with it 14 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:05.359 in the least. And when you wrote me the message 15 00:01:05.400 --> 00:01:07.359 saying that's the case we're going to cover and there 16 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:10.879 isn't all that much information, I purposefully don't google it 17 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:12.760 because I don't want to know anything and I want 18 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:15.239 to be completely surprised by everything that you tell me. 19 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:18.719 That's excellent, Yeah, because this is a very weird case. 20 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:21.319 I saw it on Unsolved Mysteries many years ago, but 21 00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:24.920 because the segment was only five minutes long, and there's 22 00:01:24.920 --> 00:01:27.519 such a limited amount of information, I thought it would 23 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:31.000 be an appropriate topic for a minisode. I did talk 24 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:33.079 about it on The Trail Went Cold several years ago, 25 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:35.280 but it wasn't the subject of the main subject of 26 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:37.920 the episode because of the lack of information there was. 27 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:40.400 It was just I talked spent a few minutes talking 28 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:43.200 about it in conjunction with another case. But I think 29 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:45.920 now it's a good opportunity to discuss it as the 30 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:48.359 main topic. And I'm sure you know that I have 31 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:51.840 a particular fascination for cases where people go missing and 32 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:55.400 are found dead under strange circumstances and a location they 33 00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:58.239 have no reason to be at. We've done a few 34 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:01.640 episodes like the disappearance of Blas Adams, who disappeared from 35 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:05.079 British Columbia and was found dead in Knoxville, Tennessee, and 36 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:07.680 Judy Smith, who went missing on a business trip to 37 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:10.919 Philadelphia and was found in the mountains of North Carolina, 38 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:15.039 and the disappearance of David Lewis, who went missing from Amarillo, 39 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:18.680 Texas and then was found on a freeway in Washington State. 40 00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:21.280 And the Tim Malnar case is going to be along 41 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:21.879 those lines. 42 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:26.560 Those are some of my favorite cases. Blair Adams is 43 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:28.680 one of our early cases that we covered on The 44 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:31.639 Path Went Chile, and it's been one that's fascinated me 45 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:34.879 for so many years, and it's really sad with the 46 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:38.599 mental health angle, but it's a very real scenario where 47 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:41.639 he was murdered and we just don't have the answers 48 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:44.400 as to what happened, and there's so many strange clues. 49 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:47.960 Same with Judy Smith. That case is like a real 50 00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:51.400 life Gone Girl type of a scenario. And the other 51 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:53.280 one from Amarillo. 52 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:55.439 David Lewis, I think we did that one before, like 53 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:57.639 he went missing from his home at Amarillo, and then 54 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:00.240 about twenty four hours later he was found wandering on 55 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:04.560 a freeway outside an airport in Yakima, Washington, and he 56 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:06.400 was hit by a car. So it might not have 57 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:09.039 been foul play, but the big mystery is how did 58 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:12.360 he decide to travel from Texas to Washington in such 59 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:15.960 a short amount of time. But this will be along 60 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:18.879 the same lines where its essentially two mysteries rolled up 61 00:03:18.919 --> 00:03:21.159 in one like how did the person wind up at 62 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:23.919 that location and how did they die? Was their foul 63 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:28.599 play involved? So the tim Malnar case. He lived in 64 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:31.280 Daytona Beach, Florida at the time he went missing in 65 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:35.360 nineteen eighty four. His parents were Michael and Helen Molnar. 66 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:38.840 They were originally from Canada but then moved to California, 67 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:42.599 and Tim was born in Los Angeles County. The family 68 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:45.280 had a total of four children. Tim had a younger 69 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:48.319 brother and a sister, and he also had tragically an 70 00:03:48.319 --> 00:03:51.319 infant brother who died at a very young age, so 71 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:53.960 at this particular point, there were only three children in 72 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:59.240 the Molnar family. They eventually moved from California to Daytona Beach, Florida. 73 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:03.240 At this particular point, Tim was nineteen years old and 74 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:08.120 he was an aeronautical mechanics student at embry Riddle Aeronautical University. 75 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:12.199 And on the morning of January twenty fourth, nineteen eighty four, 76 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:15.639 Tim climbed into his nineteen sixty nine Dodge Dart to 77 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:18.279 drive his fourteen year old brother Frank, to drop him 78 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:20.759 off at school. And as far as I know, everything 79 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:23.600 seemed completely normal. There was nothing out of the ordinary. 80 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:26.879 But Tim was planning to go to class that day 81 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:30.519 at embry Riddle Aeronautical University and as far as anyone 82 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:34.000 can tell. He didn't show up, and he never returned 83 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:36.720 home that night, and his car was not found either. 84 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:39.519 So and when he didn't turn up, his parents eventually 85 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:41.519 called the police to report a missing. 86 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:46.040 So he successfully dropped Frank off, and then after that happened, 87 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:49.959 we just have no idea where he went, who he saw, 88 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:51.480 and what became of him. 89 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:54.040 Yeah, we're going to talk about how they found his 90 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:56.639 car at a later time, but we don't know like 91 00:04:57.160 --> 00:04:59.720 where he went and why he decided to take off. 92 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:03.720 And another weird detail is that they discovered that Tim's 93 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:07.360 ten speed bicycle was missing from the house, and as 94 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:09.560 far as Frank could tell, the bike was not in 95 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:12.279 the car when Tim dropped him off at school, So 96 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:15.079 it seemed likely that for whatever reason, Tim decided to 97 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:18.240 drive home pick up the bike, and then he went missing. 98 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:21.399 And they would also discover that he withdrew all the 99 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:24.600 money in his bank account except ten dollars. He left 100 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:27.319 ten dollars behind, so there was a lot of evidence 101 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:29.480 at first to suggest that he had decided to take 102 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:30.439 off voluntarily. 103 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:34.480 It almost looks like you're trying to stage a disappearance. 104 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:38.839 If you go home, get your bike and you're bringing 105 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:41.439 it with you, meaning that you likely want to dump 106 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:44.759 your car at a certain location and then take off 107 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:47.800 on your bike. That could be how it could be interpreted. 108 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:50.879 And then if you're taking out all that money, maybe 109 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:54.279 it's nineteen eighty four not being so sure about how 110 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:58.079 bank records are going to be interpreted by investigators. Tim 111 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:02.480 might not have known that this would be very obvious 112 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:05.439 that he took out all of this money. So, I mean, 113 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:08.959 forensic countermeasures weren't known in nineteen eighty four like they're 114 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:13.279 known today. So it's an interesting first way to interpret 115 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:14.480 the information. 116 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:16.920 Exactly, Like a lot of people have found it weird 117 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:18.959 that if you wanted to go off somewhere and start 118 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:21.480 a new life, why did he not completely empty his 119 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:24.160 bank account? Like why did he leave behind the ten dollars? 120 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:25.759 It would be one thing if it was maybe like 121 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:29.079 fifty cents, something you could withdraw, But the fact that 122 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:31.000 it was a round number. People have taken it as 123 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:34.120 a symbol that maybe he felt, if this doesn't work out, 124 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:36.160 I'm going to return home, and if I do, at 125 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:38.759 least I'll still have some money in my account waiting 126 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:39.120 for me. 127 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:41.639 Do you know if it's possible that he had to 128 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:44.000 have like a minimum amount in there to keep the 129 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:44.839 account active. 130 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:49.160 I'm not entirely sure, and I don't have that information 131 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:51.519 about whether he took it from an ATM or had 132 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:54.399 to go into the bank. I don't know if ATMs 133 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:57.839 were prevalent in Daytona Beach back in nineteen eighty four, 134 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:00.480 but I haven't heard of anything about having him having 135 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:03.680 any specific interactions at the bank to withdraw the money 136 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:05.800 from any tellers. So I don't know if he was 137 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:07.519 told you have to leave ten dollars in. 138 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:11.040 There were ATMs even a thing in nineteen eighty four. 139 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:14.000 They might have been. I grew up in the eighties 140 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:16.319 and I seem to remember them from the late eighties. 141 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:19.800 I'm going to google this. Yeah, oh my god, it 142 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:22.399 says June of nineteen sixty seven. 143 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:25.040 Oh wow, I didn't. 144 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:28.839 Yeah, okay. So, according to Wikipedia, a cash machine was 145 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:32.160 put into use by Barclays Bank and Field North London 146 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:35.040 in the United Kingdom on the twenty seventh of June 147 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:39.240 nineteen sixty seven, which is recognized as the world's first ATM. 148 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:43.759 This machine was inaugurated by English actor Reg Varney. Whoever 149 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:44.199 that is. 150 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:47.160 Okay, I didn't know that I didn't know they were 151 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:49.800 that old, but I couldn't say for certain if they 152 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:52.439 were implemented in the United States by nineteen eighty four, 153 00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:54.360 and if they were, I can't say for certain if 154 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:55.560 they were in Daytona Beach. 155 00:07:56.279 --> 00:08:00.519 They became common by the nineteen eighties. They were introduced 156 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:04.319 in Canada in nineteen sixty nine, but the widespread use 157 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:08.720 was in the nineteen eighties. So it's entirely possible that 158 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:09.959 he used in ATM. 159 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:13.120 I'm thinking that because otherwise I think someone from the 160 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:15.160 bank might have remembered him if he had to go 161 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:16.959 in and do a manual withdrawal. 162 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:21.000 So just one more thing regarding the ATM. Do you 163 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:23.839 think that if he did use it, that it's possible 164 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:26.240 that he left ten dollars in his account because you 165 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:28.160 could only take out multiples of twenty. 166 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:30.959 That is true. Yes, I never thought about that. That 167 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:33.120 maybe they just told him you can't take out twenty 168 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:34.960 and it was impossible to get it out in ten 169 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:37.440 dollars bills, and that's the only reason it was left there. 170 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:41.200 So three weeks later, Tim's parents received a credit card 171 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:43.840 statement in the mail which showed that their card, which 172 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:46.440 they had given to Tim was used to purchase gas 173 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:49.840 at a service station in Lake City, Florida, on the 174 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:53.080 same day ten disappeared, even though it was located one 175 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:56.879 hundred and fifty miles northwest from Daytona Beach. So Helen 176 00:08:56.960 --> 00:08:59.279 Malnar traveled all the way to the service station to 177 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:02.039 speak with the attacks and showed him his photograph, and 178 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:05.480 the attendant seemed to remember him because he recalled that 179 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:08.720 Tim had been driving a nineteen sixty nine Dodge Dart, 180 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:11.480 which was a classic so and when they showed a 181 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:13.559 photograph of the car, he said, yet, that might have 182 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:16.639 been the car I saw. So this added further evidence 183 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:19.639 to the possibility that Tim, for whatever reason, decided to 184 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:20.720 take off on his own. 185 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:26.840 Okay, so he cleans out his bank account less ten dollars, 186 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:31.240 and he has the credit card from his parents that 187 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:34.960 he's using. So if we were going to operate originally 188 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:39.360 under the presupposition that he's disappearing voluntarily, he takes out 189 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:41.639 his money, he gets his bike, he has his car. 190 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:45.120 If he wasn't wanting to be traced, one would think 191 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:47.480 that at this point he would be paying for his 192 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:51.000 gas with cash, not using the credit card his parents 193 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:55.080 gave him. So this totally is contrary to the theory 194 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:59.519 that he's disappearing of his own volition or free will. 195 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:04.200 Maybe he's just has a set objective and he's he 196 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:06.639 wasn't thinking like what if they trace this, because it 197 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:09.480 was never his intention to be disappearing. 198 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:12.559 Yeah, it's also possible that he was planning to go 199 00:10:12.639 --> 00:10:15.919 elsewhere that day for some unscheduled road trip and was 200 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:18.919 planning to go back, but then something went horribly wrong, 201 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:21.720 and of course when the credit card arrived three weeks later, 202 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:23.960 that's how they were able to tell that Tim used it. 203 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:27.279 And another odd detail is that they discovered that none 204 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:30.159 of his clothing or personal possessions appear to have been 205 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:32.240 missing from the house. The only thing that was gone 206 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:35.840 was the ten speed bicycle, So that once again goes 207 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:38.600 against the idea that he was planning to disappear permanently, 208 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:40.240 And like. 209 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:43.600 What scenario can you think of that, say, he was 210 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:46.480 going to meet somebody where It's clear, just based on 211 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:49.360 what we know now, that he wasn't planning on leaving 212 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:52.159 for any period of time. But what he was doing 213 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:55.039 required that he had money, because he took that cash 214 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:58.080 with him. So if he's going to meet somebody. Is 215 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:02.240 it that he's going somewhere where you can only drive 216 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:04.759 so far by car, so he needs to go the 217 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:07.440 rest of the distance on a bike or why else 218 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:08.919 do you think the bike would factor in? 219 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:12.279 Yeah, I don't know about that, as if possibly maybe 220 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:14.440 he was going to a rural area or something like 221 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:16.120 that that he knew that he couldn't drive on the 222 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:18.080 road so he had to take the bike with him. 223 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:21.320 But as we're going to talk about momentarily, the car 224 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:24.879 is eventually found and that only adds more unanswered questions 225 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:26.720 to the whole thing. So let me tell you about 226 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:29.440 this part, because it gets even weirder. It was not 227 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:33.080 until four months after Tim went missing when the Mallners 228 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:35.639 received a letter in the mail from a towing company 229 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:39.720 in Atlanta, Georgia, which stated that Tim's abandoned Dodge Dart 230 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:42.720 had been found in a parking lot on January the thirtieth, 231 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:45.919 six days hey after he originally went missing, and had 232 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:49.000 been in an impound yard ever since. And of course 233 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:52.200 this made things even weirder because Atlanta was four hundred 234 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:55.840 and thirty miles north of Daytona Beach. And then when 235 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:57.840 his parents went to Atlanta to pick up the car. 236 00:11:57.879 --> 00:12:00.720 They discovered that his wallet was still inside, and even 237 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:04.120 though all the money had been emptied out, Tim's identification, 238 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:07.639 including his driver's license and his credit card, were still there. 239 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:11.240 But to make things even weirder, his bicycle was not 240 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:13.919 in the car, and some items that you or nearly 241 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:16.399 kept in there, such as a tool set and a 242 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:20.840 stereo system that he had received for Christmas and personally installed, 243 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.759 were missing. So people have wondered were these robbed, were 244 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:27.799 they stolen? Or did Tim take these out himself because 245 00:12:27.799 --> 00:12:30.960 he wanted to steal them? And they discovered that the 246 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:34.200 vehicle was parked only a block away from a Greyhound 247 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:37.360 bus station, so they wondered, maybe he parked the car 248 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:40.320 here because he was planning to take a bus trip somewhere. 249 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:42.679 But if that's the case, why did he take the 250 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:46.399 bicycle out of the car? So this only brought up 251 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:47.759 more questions than they answered. 252 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:51.200 And we know that he didn't have like a backpack 253 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:54.759 or a suitcase, so how is he going to transport 254 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:57.919 these items? Say he did take he wanted to take 255 00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:01.080 the Greyhound bus. Okay, maybe if you're just taking your bike, 256 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:04.080 but how are you going to carry a car, stereo? 257 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:06.919 And all of these other things. If you don't have 258 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:10.399 a bag in which to carry these items, and we 259 00:13:10.559 --> 00:13:12.960 can't assume. I don't think at this point in the 260 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:15.639 story that he's the one that dumped the vehicle there. 261 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:18.720 Obviously it's possible that somebody dumped it there and then 262 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:22.440 they just took those items because they wanted to rob him. 263 00:13:22.759 --> 00:13:25.360 I mean, I think it's interesting that if that was 264 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:28.240 the case, that they would leave the wallet. You said 265 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:30.240 the identification was in there still right. 266 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:33.080 Yeah, though, the identification and the credit card was in there, 267 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:34.320 but all the money was gone. 268 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:37.600 That seems odd. If you were to rob him, wouldn't 269 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:40.639 you not want the vehicle to be identified with like 270 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:42.960 who owns it right away? It would give you a 271 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:47.039 little bit more time if his identification wasn't in there, 272 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:49.320 to just get rid of that so that you would 273 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:53.840 kind of distance him from that vehicle, and then to 274 00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:56.200 leave the credit card there. If you robbed it, you'd 275 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:59.559 think you'd at least try that credit card, so maybe 276 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.840 you one could assume that it was indeed Tim who 277 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:07.000 took it, because Tim knew wherever I'm going, I can't 278 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:10.320 use this credit card. I don't know. It's just a 279 00:14:10.360 --> 00:14:13.000 big question mark. It's so strange because I just don't 280 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:15.240 see how he could get from point A his car, 281 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:18.240 with his bike, the car, stereo, all of these things 282 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:21.759 to point B. Maybe a greyhound bus, maybe somewhere else. 283 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:23.840 This is a really strange case. 284 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:26.559 It certainly is. Yeah, and you're right, we can't be 285 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:28.759 one hundred percent certain that Tim was the one who 286 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:31.399 left the car there. As far as I know, there 287 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:33.639 were no signs of any break in, so they don't 288 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:36.919 believe someone broke in and stole the stereo. But if 289 00:14:36.919 --> 00:14:39.279 it was someone else who left the car there, maybe 290 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:42.080 they personally took the items. And a theory which has 291 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:44.480 been pushed forward that perhaps the reason that he took 292 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:46.879 out the stereo and the tool set is that maybe 293 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:49.720 he was planning to sell them or pawn them if 294 00:14:49.720 --> 00:14:52.480 he was planning to disappear and needed money for say 295 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:55.840 bus fare, And it could also explain why the bicycle 296 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:58.279 was missing. Maybe he decided to sell it off or 297 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:01.840 pawn it himself. It's never been conclusively proven. They found 298 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:04.360 no evidence that he ever attempted to sell these items 299 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:07.200 anywhere in Atlanta, and it also brings up the question 300 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:09.840 if you wanted to disappear permanently. Why did he not 301 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:12.200 sell the car as well? Because he could probably make 302 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:13.559 a lot of money from that too. 303 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:17.200 And I think both things can be true. Tim could 304 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:19.320 have left the car, and he could have taken the 305 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:21.559 money out of the wallet and just left the wallet, 306 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:24.200 and then somebody could have come upon the Dodge Dart 307 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:27.600 and opportunistically been like, oh cool, there's a stereo, I'm 308 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:29.639 going to take that. There's a bike, I'm going to 309 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:33.000 take that. So if that was the case, we can't 310 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:36.600 know what Tim took and what the person. If this 311 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:39.879 scenario did indeed happen and there was like an opportunistic 312 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:42.519 robber who came up after the fact, we can't know 313 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:43.480 what each one. 314 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:47.080 Took exactly, like we don't know who took the items 315 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:49.559 out of the car or if Tim himself abandoned the car. 316 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:51.799 And even though there are as signs of any break in, 317 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:54.399 for all we know, maybe Tim just left it there unlocked, 318 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:57.639 and that someone opportunistic could have gone there and stolen 319 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:02.080 these items without having to break into it. So Tim's 320 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:04.679 family said that they could not understand why he would 321 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:06.679 have chosen to run away. We don't know all that 322 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:09.039 much about his personality. They just said that he was 323 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:12.240 kind of a quiet, reserved guy who'd never caused any trouble, 324 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:14.600 So we don't have any information if he might have 325 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:18.080 been suffering from many mental health issues or depression at 326 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:21.080 that time. But the case pretty much faded from the 327 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:24.039 spotlight for an entire decade. There were no leads that 328 00:16:24.080 --> 00:16:26.799 I know of, but in November of nineteen ninety five, 329 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:30.399 UNSAW Mysteries decided to profile it on the show. But 330 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:33.200 they had a very interesting angle to it because there 331 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:36.919 were technically no signs of foul play or any evidence 332 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:39.799 that Tim was in any danger, and the evidence made 333 00:16:39.799 --> 00:16:42.879 it look like he could have taken away voluntarily, so 334 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:45.919 they decided to make a public announcement that only a 335 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:49.240 few days after Tim went missing, a relative of his 336 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:52.039 had passed away and made Tim the heir to an 337 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:55.720 estate worth fifty thousand dollars. So they pretty much put 338 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:58.159 all the emphasis on that, saying that Tim, if you're 339 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:01.200 still alive and you're out there watching, please know that 340 00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:03.480 even if you don't want to contact your family, you 341 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:06.000 still have fifty thousand dollars waiting for you, So if 342 00:17:06.039 --> 00:17:08.920 you come back and claim it, you don't necessarily have 343 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:10.920 to stay with your family, but at least you can 344 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:13.680 let them know you're alive or okay, and they thought 345 00:17:13.720 --> 00:17:16.680 that might be a motivation for him to come forward 346 00:17:16.759 --> 00:17:19.880 if he happened to be watching and Unsaw Mysteries actually 347 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:22.720 did that a few years earlier on another missing person's case, 348 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:25.599 where a man named Scott hill A gone missing, but 349 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:28.319 it turned out that he likely took off voluntarily because 350 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:31.039 he made a lot of bad financial decisions which left 351 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:33.640 his family bankrupt, so he might have taken off because 352 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:36.039 he was ashamed. But it turned out that his mother 353 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:38.839 passed away and left him, made Scott the heir to 354 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:41.799 his seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars estate, So they 355 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:44.480 mentioned that on Unsolved Mysteries and lo and behold, they 356 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:47.200 still they found Scott alive somewhere and he did come 357 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:50.240 forward to claim the estate, but it was a very bittersweet, 358 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:53.039 awkward reunion with his family because they're like, well, we're 359 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:55.400 happy you're alive, but now we know you abandoned us 360 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:57.519 and that the only reason you're coming back is because 361 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:00.000 you want the money. So I think they were hoping 362 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:02.000 maybe that the same thing would happen with Tim. 363 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:05.599 Yeah, it's sort of like, I'm glad that you're alive, 364 00:18:05.839 --> 00:18:08.839 and we kind of hate you now because we've been 365 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:11.079 worried about all the worst things that could have happened 366 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:15.680 to you. And you left your family like up you know, 367 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:19.400 whatever creek without a paddle, and then you return only 368 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:22.440 when there's money involved, saying that you were putting people 369 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:26.279 secondary to money, and so yeah, I can imagine that 370 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:30.599 was bittersweet. But with Tim, I mean, fifty thousand dollars 371 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:33.880 and he's not coming forward. It seems like if you 372 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:38.559 were living under a different identity or that type of 373 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:42.160 a scenario where you had to forge this whole new life, 374 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:45.720 it would be difficult because I mean, unless you fake 375 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:48.920 a social Security number. And I don't know how adept 376 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:51.039 he was with these type of things. I'm sure he 377 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:54.200 was fairly smart. Being like that type of mechanic is 378 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:57.440 a really difficult type of career to embark upon. So 379 00:18:57.559 --> 00:19:01.839 I'm sure he was above average intelligence. So I just 380 00:19:01.880 --> 00:19:05.000 can't see any underlying motivation that would cause want him 381 00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:07.839 to leave this life that he had at this age, 382 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:12.480 like he's just coming into adulthood. I just don't see 383 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:15.359 what factors would motivate him to want to leave his 384 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:17.599 life behind and not contact anybody. 385 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:20.720 Yeah, with the Scott Hill case, it was obvious why 386 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:23.240 he would have wanted to take off, because he made 387 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:25.640 a bunch of bad financial decisions and he put his 388 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:28.599 family in dire straits. But with Tim, he didn't seem 389 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:30.880 to have anything bad going on for his life because 390 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:34.319 he's taking a course in aeronautical engineering, so he's obviously 391 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:37.240 a smart guy and he's got plans for the future. 392 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:41.000 So that's the key difference between these two cases is 393 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:43.880 that with Scott Hill's case, they knew why he would 394 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:47.160 have taken off, but with Tim, his family was completely clueless. 395 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:50.519 Do we know at all anything about his romantic life. 396 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:53.160 We don't know anything. I have no idea if he 397 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:57.200 ever had any girlfriends or boyfriends or any relationships at all. 398 00:19:57.319 --> 00:19:59.920 We just don't know anything about his personality other th 399 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:02.400 that he was a quiet kid who didn't cause any trouble. 400 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:05.480 It's so hard when we don't have that type of 401 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:09.279