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Speaker 2: Shane, Well, tunny we talk about me. It's funny we
Speaker 2: talk about mentally health because anyone that knows me on
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Speaker 1: You can't see me, but I make it the side
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Speaker 2: Oh my good, you can't see me, and I'm feeling
Speaker 2: like John Cena. Listen, we're gonna start off havy. We're
Speaker 2: gonna start off heavy because there was a lot of
Speaker 2: really weird Ay and w chatter in the past two weeks,
Speaker 2: and you know me, I like to stir the pod.
Speaker 2: So Ray Phoenix sparks some buzz with new posts on
Speaker 2: social media as to his absence from AW. You know,
Speaker 2: Phoenix has been absent from AW programming since like July twentieth.
Speaker 2: I think he was on a Collision that was his
Speaker 2: last episode. And you know, Dave Meltzer, of course you
Speaker 2: don't want to take anything. He says, his cannon did
Speaker 2: the Wrestling Observer, and he he claimed that they were
Speaker 2: adding injury time to his contract and extended it through
Speaker 2: halfway at twenty twenty five. You know, meanwhile, Penta, his
Speaker 2: his biological brother and tag team partner, recently entered free agency.
Speaker 2: You know, the day that Penta enters free agency, he
Speaker 2: Ray Phoenix just ops a tirade of very vague but
Speaker 2: very you know, weird social media posts. The most polarizing
Speaker 2: one is no one stays in a place where they
Speaker 2: received inhumane treatment, which he did like five o'clock in
Speaker 2: the afternoon and December seventh, and you know, a lot
Speaker 2: of different reporting agencies kind of like had different perspectives
Speaker 2: on this. You know, one of our pals from this
Speaker 2: community that's no longer with US Air Gold, you know,
Speaker 2: he's blown up on Yahoo. You know, saying that AW
Speaker 2: is not using phoenixes is wrong, and I'm sure anyone
Speaker 2: here can agree with that. I want to be objective,
Speaker 2: you know, towards this whole entire thing. You know, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: with AW, when it looks and quacks like a duck,
Speaker 2: it's a it's a goddamn duck. I spent too much
Speaker 2: time digging through the past events and seeing how they
Speaker 2: play it out, not to consider talking about AW possibly,
Speaker 2: you know, being the issue here. Let's go back to
Speaker 2: how poorly AW mismanaged pepsi Phil. It's a perfect example,
Speaker 2: especially saying out play now with Ryan Nemath. The dude
Speaker 2: was able to substantiate over half of his claim. Plus
Speaker 2: the timelines line up with me when Meg left. But
Speaker 2: I'm gonna you know that being said, you know, harassments
Speaker 2: of perceived behavior. What's in humane to some is a
Speaker 2: daily occurrence for others. You know, I gamble on they
Speaker 2: scaled back as direct healthcare access as soon as the
Speaker 2: contract thing popped off. That's a petty TK move. And
Speaker 2: we've heard plenty of rumors about things like this being
Speaker 2: close to happening, especially when legals involved. Anyone else have
Speaker 2: an opinion on this? Uh yeah, I just beloaded a lot.
Speaker 3: I know, yeah, you know, we don't know anything what's
Speaker 3: going on. But if you are rich enough to be
Speaker 3: a wrestler, I know he makes a sistantial amount of money.
Speaker 3: He's not poor by any means. I think the guy
Speaker 3: needs to get a social media coordinator or something because
Speaker 3: these very vague posts, and he left them vague for
Speaker 3: a reason. And I'm gonna throw around conspirac about when
Speaker 3: these when these things were dropped, they seem to always
Speaker 3: be dropped right before dynamite or a collision or or something.
Speaker 4: But it's just bad bad news.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going to do Tony Kahn's head
Speaker 3: right now, but I would just say that he's probably
Speaker 3: sick of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think that like this is a work
Speaker 2: that's the real like and he won.
Speaker 3: No, No, I don't. I think it's bad blood.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean he also said, like two hours before
Speaker 2: he dropped, like the polarizing tweet, like I will have
Speaker 2: my chance to speak the truth. Like I mean, like
Speaker 2: like why like you're saying the voice no you owe
Speaker 2: my father Tony Kahan book it.
Speaker 1: Like like James Codd instead of Chas.
Speaker 2: I just like the dude is sitting and he's like
Speaker 2: one of the best Luca Doors on earth. Like even
Speaker 2: if you're pissed at him because he crapped in your
Speaker 2: front lawn, you like, there are so many other guys
Speaker 2: all over the roster that appears to be having the
Speaker 2: same treatment. All you're doing is substantiating every claim to
Speaker 2: every Ricky Starks that's sitting on their hands right now
Speaker 2: not working GCW events.
Speaker 5: Honestly, yeah, go ahead, honestly, Like we're not in the
Speaker 5: locker room, so we don't know who's right and who's
Speaker 5: wrong in this situation.
Speaker 6: So I would hate to say, oh, Aw is right,
Speaker 6: when in reality maybe Ray Foinnix is right. So I'm
Speaker 6: not going to speculate on that. Ah, It's it's just
Speaker 6: a bad situation, no matter really how you slice it.
Speaker 6: Because Ray Fennix, when he's been in the ring, he's
Speaker 6: put on good to I would say great matches. Some
Speaker 6: of them have been pushed to incredible. But with the
Speaker 6: best example being you know mucha Brothers versus Young Bucks
Speaker 6: steel cage match all out, that's the best example I
Speaker 6: can think of, even though he was in a tag
Speaker 6: team match at that time with you know, his biological
Speaker 6: brother Ray excuse me, Penta. So it's like it's kind
Speaker 6: of a damned if you do, damned if you don't
Speaker 6: type situation. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I saw how quickly Sutton unmuted.
Speaker 1: I'm good, but I want to I want to ask
Speaker 1: I want to ask a question for everybody here, because
Speaker 1: I believe it was Shane that brought this up. Penta
Speaker 1: is a free agent. According to reports, he is not
Speaker 1: signed with anybody as of yet. Also, you said that
Speaker 1: is this a work? Wouldn't that be something? What? So
Speaker 1: my question is, does anybody here have a over one
Speaker 1: percent chance that this is a work.
Speaker 7: I'm not buying any of it. I'm not buying any
Speaker 7: of it because you got to look at the source
Speaker 7: where it's coming from. Okay, as much hatred as there
Speaker 7: is for AW in the IWC, this doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 7: You know, I get if people were a little pissed
Speaker 7: off because of some of the things that happened. It's
Speaker 7: been five years and there haven't been that many instances
Speaker 7: where there's this issue until lately. Why is that? Why
Speaker 7: is it now that people who are under contractor want
Speaker 7: to leave are complaining and bitching all of a sudden.
Speaker 2: You know, sudden. I want to expand on that. So,
Speaker 2: you know, we've known as AW fans that Tony Kahan
Speaker 2: has incurred a couple serious pr nightmares in his time
Speaker 2: that were incredibly mismanaged. I mean, like like like terribly
Speaker 2: terribly mismanaged. You think you know that with this being
Speaker 2: as delicate as it was, that t K would just
Speaker 2: lease him say hey man, good luck to you in
Speaker 2: your future endeavors. With the possibility these two guys wrapping
Speaker 2: back around and finishing their career with him if AW,
Speaker 2: you know, lives through all of their growing pains. You know,
Speaker 2: but TK is just silent.
Speaker 7: But here's about here's the other things about this doesn't
Speaker 7: make him look good. It's not gonna make him look
Speaker 7: good to any other company he's gonna work for, so Phoenix, Yeah,
Speaker 7: it would not make you look good to do if
Speaker 7: him starts either one of them. It makes you look
Speaker 7: like a piece of shit who is talking about your
Speaker 7: employee because you're a little unhappy in the future negotiations
Speaker 7: with anybody. That's not gonna make you look good. And
Speaker 7: it's not gonna come back as a good thing. Because
Speaker 7: now if they want to go to w wewwe's gonna say, look, okay,
Speaker 7: I get there were some issues. You didn't handle it well.
Speaker 7: You went to social media instead of taking it to
Speaker 7: the people and working it out with them. Why do
Speaker 7: we think you're not gonna do that us exactly?
Speaker 2: You know, you know, fair though, right now, WW I
Speaker 2: mean mean, WWE's whole prerogative is you know, first of all,
Speaker 2: you have Raymysterio on the other side of that fence.
Speaker 2: That's God maybe minutes away from retiring. We already know
Speaker 2: that he's planning a farewell tour. That's the thing he's
Speaker 2: gonna need at least, like Hunter's gonna need at least
Speaker 2: one stronger than the guys in NXT Luchador to rise
Speaker 2: up to that mental mantle. Yeah, and Penta and Ray Phoenix,
Speaker 2: you know, regardless of how crappy this looks for the
Speaker 2: way that Ray is behaving, because Penta hasn't said a word,
Speaker 2: you know, like like there's still a name, They have
Speaker 2: a legacy, they have a history. People know them within
Speaker 2: the here's the deal.
Speaker 7: And it hasn't changed. WWE does not treat non WWE
Speaker 7: grown people worth anything. They never have any never will.
Speaker 7: That wasn't just a McMahon thing. That's been ww's policy.
Speaker 7: If we didn't create you, we don't give two shits
Speaker 7: about you. We might give you a little bit of
Speaker 7: a run, but once that runs over, you're done. You Miles, Well,
Speaker 7: you can have a you could sign a five year contract.
Speaker 7: You get a year and a half out of it
Speaker 7: in the next two and a half years. You're sitting
Speaker 7: there on your hands in worst position. You are now
Speaker 7: proven that over the years.
Speaker 1: Alt load of money off of you.
Speaker 2: I can, I could, I could rebuttal that statement with
Speaker 2: two names from two different eras, Jericho and Brian Pillman,
Speaker 2: Jade Cargill and Ethan Page. Ethan Page held a belt
Speaker 2: in w w that this has never happened. It doesn't
Speaker 2: matter on NXT, Jade Cargill partner, I couldn't agree with
Speaker 2: you more. But she's currently on every single WWE commercial,
Speaker 2: every single poster for every major pay per view, not
Speaker 2: to mention that they paired her with one of these
Speaker 2: strongest women in the w w E WWE locker room,
Speaker 2: and they stood there in spite of the fact that
Speaker 2: she's absolute ship. They're still trying to work to develop
Speaker 2: her to keep her on screens. That's more than a
Speaker 2: lot of people on the w w E roster are
Speaker 2: actually getting. Look at the WYAT six, my god, they're
Speaker 2: a legacy faction and they're being treated like the Dark
Speaker 2: Order after they watched off the first year a w Shane.
Speaker 1: I have to ask, and you said.
Speaker 2: Calton, what were you saying MK two like Kelton, who's first?
Speaker 1: Well, I think I was first for about twenty seconds.
Speaker 1: But because or because okay, you're you work kind of
Speaker 1: out a little bit. So we'll let you know if
Speaker 1: that happens again. What I wanted to say about Jake
Speaker 1: Cargill is that you said that she's on every poster
Speaker 1: and promotional stuff that's not a poster that's actually her wrestling.
Speaker 2: She's really that bad, I know.
Speaker 7: It also was she also was on everything in a
Speaker 7: in a W two.
Speaker 2: It's all she's not. She's not Boch has a Look.
Speaker 1: When when when people leave a W to go to
Speaker 1: w w E, AW fans buy a large at least
Speaker 1: in our community are saying, wish to the best of luck,
Speaker 1: go knock him dead, come a champion. You know Ethan
Speaker 1: Page is a good example. Everybody showed Ethan Page, Bob.
Speaker 1: I didn't see one disparaging remark about ethon Page. Jake
Speaker 1: Cargo was a totally different story. It was like, you
Speaker 1: know he and you know, good luck. Maybe w w
Speaker 1: E can the what is it their developmental or what's
Speaker 1: the performance center? Yeah, and for about three years and
Speaker 1: see if they can get a wrestling match out of her,
Speaker 1: because he's sure did at maybe two percent of a
Speaker 1: decent match in aw she was bad. I'm sorry. And
Speaker 1: and again when and I said this before and I'll
Speaker 1: say it again, when people said that they were fans
Speaker 1: of j Cargill, why are you fans of Jake Cargill?
Speaker 1: And they would say, she looks so good. Look at
Speaker 1: her body, look at her she's pretty, look at her face,
Speaker 1: look at her body, and she's got potential and she's
Speaker 1: getting better. Well this was back in when did Jake
Speaker 1: Cargill start wrestling? In twenty twenty one? It's yeah, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five almost, and she's still got She's a little
Speaker 1: older now, but she's still got the potential and she's
Speaker 1: still getting better.
Speaker 2: No, really quick, really quick, but mka, I'm gonna can
Speaker 2: it off to you completely. I'm done with my portion
Speaker 2: of this. But to half of WWE's thing is terrible
Speaker 2: wrestlers that are a great stage presence and have great mouthpieces,
Speaker 2: you know, And I don't think Jay Cargill has a
Speaker 2: great mouthpiece, but she looks like like what you would
Speaker 2: imagine to be like the most dominating women's professional wrestler
Speaker 2: in history. She looks better than Rhea Ripley, who arguably
Speaker 2: looks is one of the most convincing women's professional wrestlers
Speaker 2: on Earth. That's all I gotta say based on looks.
Speaker 2: But she's the Ripley's the full package man. Ripley could go.
Speaker 2: Ripley's got moved, Ripley's got a mouth that like she
Speaker 2: might be the goat with this generation.
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with you, she very well might be.
Speaker 1: Jay Cargill is not in that conversation. I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: can't go ahead.
Speaker 4: Not even so I want to really tout Ranna.
Speaker 3: Back into what you were saying about Ray Phoenix via
Speaker 3: Lucha blogs, I read that he has a history of
Speaker 3: bad contracts to negotiations with Triple A with uh Luca underground,
Speaker 3: so they both these who have a history of this,
Speaker 3: And back to what Sutton was saying, I think to
Speaker 3: a point, w w U needs to look at this
Speaker 3: and say, hey, is he really worth to bother because
Speaker 3: he's always injury prone and he's doing this crap. What
Speaker 3: what's stopping from doing is to us, you know, but
Speaker 3: nobody wants a cancer in the locker room. And I
Speaker 3: think that what he's doing. But also if they didn't
Speaker 3: put him back on TV, who's to say that he
Speaker 3: would not try to poison the locker room with this
Speaker 3: grunel ness and start that stuff up again. Because we
Speaker 3: don't need another steampunk going around, you know, we don't
Speaker 3: need negativity. We're doing good, We're turning a page. And
Speaker 3: I don't want Ray Phoenix back. I just don't the
Speaker 3: way he's acting. I just don't want to. And if
Speaker 3: he has a history, just say goodbye. If you want
Speaker 3: to relase and release him, or you know, keep him
Speaker 3: till after Mania, make him whatever, but just say goodbye
Speaker 3: the guy.
Speaker 2: Not the Spanish announced desk. Well, okay, this kind of
Speaker 2: links into the GCW thing, because the Ray Phoenix thing
Speaker 2: is not mutually exclusive. Several other ADAW talents have been
Speaker 2: complaining about contracts. They yanked Willie Mack out of all
Speaker 2: the GCW showings, and then you've got Cardona and Jericho
Speaker 2: on Final Battle. Yeah, but what do you like? What
Speaker 2: do you got for that man?
Speaker 3: Well, see, there's a lot of people out there saying that.
Speaker 3: I guess Joey Janilla, who I'm not really a fan
Speaker 3: of anyway, nor his wrestling style, but he has he's
Speaker 3: had heat with Tony before and he basically came out
Speaker 3: and said that Tony and the company is intimidating the
Speaker 3: wrestlers so that they won't go on GCW. I have
Speaker 3: a hard time buying that. I don't think Tony's that
Speaker 3: type of person. I don't see how Willie MC. He's
Speaker 3: a good wrestler, but he's not a star power, so
Speaker 3: I don't know why he just ring him a drop off.
Speaker 3: I don't know any about any other wrestlers, but the
Speaker 3: Jericho and Cardona thing is is a full match to
Speaker 3: get thing on there. But I just don't see Tony
Speaker 3: being that petty and telling people, Hey, you can't be
Speaker 3: on on on GCW, We're going to try to intimidate
Speaker 3: you into doing it.
Speaker 4: That's just not in his wheelhouse.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I gotta agree with the MK on that. Again,
Speaker 7: it's the same thing with this as it is with
Speaker 7: the Ray Phoenix thing one. We don't know all the story.
Speaker 7: We know what people in i W C or tonas,
Speaker 7: but we don't have a direct straight answer from Tony.
Speaker 7: We don't have a direct straight answer for whoever runs GCW.
Speaker 7: But yet all this is going on and is just
Speaker 7: bad blood. Yet their main event at the next ROH
Speaker 7: pay per view, which Kelson has said in the past
Speaker 7: and other people say the same thing, are some of
Speaker 7: the best pay per views ever done? Makes no sense.
Speaker 7: What the hell would you put a person on your
Speaker 7: pay per view in your big event, your main event,
Speaker 7: that is in a company you don't want to work with?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you really want to, like it's
Speaker 2: the tail, like now and unlike Ray Phoenix, this actually
Speaker 2: does feel like a work now Like this all stemmed
Speaker 2: from an issue with a Fie. I love that f
Speaker 2: you don't get me wrong, but he has some very
Speaker 2: wonky and and you know, upside down perspectives about professional
Speaker 2: wrestling and the professional wrestling community, both internally and externally.
Speaker 2: And though I respect some of his opinions, some of
Speaker 2: them are really out there. I think that Tony reacting
Speaker 2: to the Shad Khan statement was kind of a big deal,
Speaker 2: and it was kind of It was shitty, it was stupid,
Speaker 2: It was a poor business maneuver. But like, you know, what,
Speaker 2: if Cardona drops the Cardona assigned to GCW, if he
Speaker 2: drops the belt out off of Jericho, it looks like
Speaker 2: he might be using that as a device to mend
Speaker 2: his relationship with GCW. I mean, pulling Ricky Starks and
Speaker 2: Willie mackoff of those shows could be a work. He
Speaker 2: could be building it up to. This could be like
Speaker 2: a relationship where you have he's trying to prop another indie.
Speaker 2: You know, Mox used to be Mox used to have
Speaker 2: some stake in GCW. Not to mention, a ton of
Speaker 2: GCW guys have been on AW shows and Janella, by
Speaker 2: the way, I just want to make this comment before
Speaker 2: I shut the whole up. Janella arguably had one of
Speaker 2: the best dark matches in AW history in their first
Speaker 2: year with Kenny Omega. We got one of the best
Speaker 2: death matches of the year on a free YouTube program.
Speaker 2: You can't Janella's style like it's the same as you know, MK.
Speaker 2: You know, Janella's style is not always my thing. But
Speaker 2: he could do he could work.
Speaker 3: So I want to point out that Cardona is not
Speaker 3: tied to GCW by contract. He's an independent wrestler, so
Speaker 3: he does what he wants to do. He works with them,
Speaker 3: but he But from what I understand, GCW does not
Speaker 3: have contracts with people.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, GCW, they have provisional contracts. They have
Speaker 2: like you're signing to work this show for this reason.
Speaker 2: They have their they do have their own talent, but
Speaker 2: I mean they're a developmental brand. Cardona has the freedom
Speaker 2: to do what he wants, but he's still in leagues
Speaker 2: with GCW. I use with Cardona, you got to use
Speaker 2: the term contract incredibly loosely.
Speaker 3: But do you guys feel that I'm gonna go back
Speaker 3: to the Jericho Cordona thing. Do you think it's a
Speaker 3: good move. Do you think people will care?
Speaker 7: I think they will. I think it's a big deal.
Speaker 7: If you're calling g c W developmental area, maybe possibly
Speaker 7: it is a work and it's a way for them
Speaker 7: to get off a working a more in depth working
Speaker 7: relationship with GCW. You'll know it's a work if Ricky
Speaker 7: Stark shows.
Speaker 2: Up, that's true. I mean, I mean like and there
Speaker 2: could have. Like Tony is completely aware of everything that's
Speaker 2: going on in the Internet. He's one of those marks
Speaker 2: that's sitting there on page as much like this, seeing
Speaker 2: what's going on. He doesn't do a lot of he
Speaker 2: Hi Tony, Hi Tony. He is subjectively invested in fan service.
Speaker 2: But I think I'll always you know, backtrack to that.
Speaker 2: I think he's the still playing with the wrestling Action figures. Guy.
Speaker 2: I hope he would mature to calling them collectibles and
Speaker 2: not take them out of the box, but I'm not
Speaker 2: sure he's to that point yet. He's got.
Speaker 7: That's how they.
Speaker 1: I'd like to make a point here, and actually is
Speaker 1: formatted a point of a question. Okay, so Haberstein by
Speaker 1: a ballroom Ring of Water pay per view, Matt Cardona,
Speaker 1: Chris Jericho, believe we have Ricky Billy Starks, Billy Starks
Speaker 1: against the Theta. M h, what's your main event?
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: Definitely should be a the I think Jericho and them
Speaker 3: should start the show, and I think they should entered.
Speaker 2: I think Cardona should drop Jericho. I think Athena has
Speaker 2: carried Ring of Honor on her back almost exclusively and
Speaker 2: deserves to keep that adult for the rest of her
Speaker 2: wrestling career.
Speaker 1: People are We're going to talk about this too in
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes, but people have been really wanting
Speaker 1: even though it may not be what Athena wants to do.
Speaker 1: People really want to see Athena shine in a w
Speaker 1: and yeah, I agree, I mean I I ultimately I
Speaker 1: do want Athena to do what Athena wants to do
Speaker 1: because she's earned it. But she is.
Speaker 4: Billy billy sars will get when she defeats.
Speaker 2: Her good up on a collision. Come on, she's a
Speaker 2: top star.
Speaker 1: Well, don't forget. She is in the fore way for
Speaker 1: the chance to represent Ring of Honor meaning Athena in
Speaker 1: the four way for a chance to represent Ring of
Speaker 1: Honor at Russell Dynasty in the Women's International Cup. So
Speaker 1: that may be your her gateway jaw if she so
Speaker 1: chooses to do so. I believe, I truly believe that
Speaker 1: Tody Kahan and a Theta likely have a relationship where
Speaker 1: Tody Khan says, Athena, what do you want to do?
Speaker 2: M Well, we know it to be a fact that's
Speaker 2: half the roster, and that if he if he that
Speaker 2: that's not the case with Athena, he's doing her a
Speaker 2: great disservice. She is carried. I mean, I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: this every time Ring of Honor comes up, Athena has
Speaker 2: carried this brand exclusive question and she's done it.
Speaker 1: Even though her character is the most egotistical, you know,
Speaker 1: horrible human being. Basically, she makes fun of everybody and
Speaker 1: thinks everybody is subservient to her. But you can kind
Speaker 1: of tell that Athena is having fun, and you can
Speaker 1: kind of tell that she's not like that. I really
Speaker 1: don't think that Athena has an ego. I don't think
Speaker 1: that she would come to AW because she feels like
Speaker 1: she deserves her flowers. She would come to AW because
Speaker 1: it's what's best for AW.
Speaker 3: But just imagine all the all the roster people she
Speaker 3: can go against, who will who would do great? You know,
Speaker 3: I'd love to see her versus Tony Storm, her versus
Speaker 3: thunder Rosa. She's electric, She's been there in n XT,
Speaker 3: she was great WWE, so she knows how to wrestle
Speaker 3: and and aw Fins, in my opinion, deserve a chance
Speaker 3: to see her on a regular basis, and they get
Speaker 3: behind her. And I think Kelson's right when he says
Speaker 3: is this may be a thing where she can win
Speaker 3: that and then bounce up and get on the main
Speaker 3: screen and get some more attention because not everybody's watching
Speaker 3: a Ring of Honor.
Speaker 1: I would love to see a theta's character stand toe
Speaker 1: to toe with a character for character battle, not necessarily
Speaker 1: in the ring, but a character for character battle with
Speaker 1: Mercedes Monette, because they both are basically the same but
Speaker 1: completely different at the same time. They just have two
Speaker 1: different approaches. And I don't know. I I love Athena,
Speaker 1: big fan, and whatever she wants to do, I have
Speaker 1: every confidence that she'll be a success doing it. If
Speaker 1: she stays in the Ring of Honor, she will continue
Speaker 1: to be the face of Ring of Honor. And it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how many Chris Jericho's that Tony komputs a
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor because Athena is it.
Speaker 2: Well, let's turn into an Athena conversation as every ring
Speaker 2: her as an as every Ring of Honor conversation should well.
Speaker 1: I mean I almost fell asleep when we were talking
Speaker 1: about Jericho.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like half of his fan base.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, oh my god, seriously, Uh, let's change
Speaker 1: course here. We've had a lot of discussion in the AA.
Speaker 1: You've fat up community about.
Speaker 7: The CEA too.
Speaker 1: That there's two parts of this. First, I want to
Speaker 1: ask what do we think about the current c Two
Speaker 1: what what do you think?
Speaker 3: I absolutely love it, and my opinion is better than
Speaker 3: last year. I think that way because it's so unpredictable.
Speaker 3: Like I did not see Fletcher beating Okada.
Speaker 4: I did not.
Speaker 3: Just a lot of it. I just love the action
Speaker 3: pact of it. And everybody's getting a shot to win.
Speaker 3: You know that there are no everybody loses so far.
Speaker 3: Maybe Commander Willism I don't know. But this is such
Speaker 3: a thing where its must see TV where the last
Speaker 3: time we kind of predicted, Hey, Eddie's probably gonna win this.
Speaker 3: Right now we don't know it and that's what it
Speaker 3: should be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh Shane, Oh sorry, my daughter runs upstairs
Speaker 2: and like, hey, check out this test score.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: I was it.
Speaker 1: You gotta don't leave us Hagen uh.
Speaker 2: On the Ohio State Proficiency Test. She tested in top
Speaker 2: tier at the ninety percentile. It advanced. Yeah, this podcast
Speaker 2: right now, this will get edited out, but sorry for
Speaker 2: not muting.
Speaker 1: A definitely will not get edited out.
Speaker 2: Oh look at that. Now you're now you're famous.
Speaker 1: She's Internet famous. Get her on screen so we can say.
Speaker 2: They want to see you on screen. Now wait, wave
Speaker 2: to the camera. Just you do. Don't have a problem
Speaker 2: doing it when you want to mess with me.
Speaker 1: Congratulations, honey, all right, go ahead, y.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone's saying good job, now go away.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you've done your big get out father her, which
Speaker 7: is what Tony Ray Phoenix.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, so the C two. Uh so you're
Speaker 1: a big fan? MK you think?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 1: This year?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Let me ask you k real quick. So last year,
Speaker 1: we all kind of knew every Like I said in
Speaker 1: our previous podcast during our podcast for to See two,
Speaker 1: last year, before it even started, everybody knew that Eddie
Speaker 1: Kingsley was going to win. The only thing I'm kind
Speaker 1: of sorder sure of this year is that we're going
Speaker 1: to eventually see Will Osprey against Kyle Fletcher. Maybe not
Speaker 1: in the finals, but it'll be there. One's going to
Speaker 1: be number one, one's going to be number two. You know,
Speaker 1: the they'll eventually get a match. You kind of gotta
Speaker 1: believe that Kazuko Kata is going to be I said
Speaker 1: his name wrong, Kasuchika Okata is going to be in
Speaker 1: the finals. I have no idea who the third, the
Speaker 1: fourth guy is going to be. If in fact that
Speaker 1: Will Osprey and Kyle Fletcher at Okata or in the
Speaker 1: are in the final four, I have no idea who
Speaker 1: the fourth guy is going to be. I love that.
Speaker 2: I hope it's coming out. How cool that.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, every time I see Commander, I
Speaker 1: become a bigger and bigger fan. Ravo to that little
Speaker 1: dude he got. He's fantastic.
Speaker 3: Beast Mortos needs needs some some flowers to there because
Speaker 3: he puts on moves I don't think's in brebrachar and
Speaker 3: he does them anyway.
Speaker 4: He reminds me of Joe was a luciad Or.
Speaker 3: He used to be Exhibision, but that if he was
Speaker 3: lucien Or and more masked, then that would be him.
Speaker 1: Well, are we certain that beast Mortos isn't in fact
Speaker 1: Samoa Joe.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they they haven't been in the ring together. I
Speaker 7: haven't seen Joe went through the wall and disappeared and
Speaker 7: then Beast Mortars showed up, So you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: You've never seen Violent Jay, the singer from smash Mouth,
Speaker 2: and Guy Feery in the same room. Okay, that's a
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 1: Why they can make Adam Cole look yellow, they can
Speaker 1: make look like.
Speaker 7: I just I just hope that you guys are right,
Speaker 7: and I don't think it'll be the other way. But
Speaker 7: I don't want to see Fletcher and offspray as a
Speaker 7: final I want to see it in the semis. If
Speaker 7: it's gonna come, make it the semis because if you
Speaker 7: make it the finals, that just that, just to me,
Speaker 7: would ruin the whole thing.
Speaker 2: It's pretty.
Speaker 4: Knock that you're out, is what I want to see.
Speaker 2: Well, I say, I'm says say the same thing I
Speaker 2: said before. I think Osprey takes it. The rubber matches
Speaker 2: versus Fletcher and Osprey once again, it goes all the
Speaker 2: way to all in. Interesting to see Claudio take it though,
Speaker 2: then the Kingston has a reason. Kingston has a reason
Speaker 2: to come back inaugural Continental champion. How dare Claudia my
Speaker 2: worst enemy? Like I could hear I could hear the
Speaker 2: promos already. Let me tell you about New York. I'm
Speaker 2: from the Hot Streets. My name is Eddy Kingston. I
Speaker 2: drink Jack Daniels. I missed my ruby soho and these
Speaker 2: nuts yeah, these nuts redeemed these nuts?
Speaker 3: Oh good, yeah, I man, it's just so exciting. I'm
Speaker 3: really hoping that Daniel Garcia at least beach Fletcher because
Speaker 3: I don't want to see Fletcher going to feeded. I
Speaker 3: don't want see anybody go unfeeded because that that's just me.
Speaker 3: Because I love what Daniel Garcia's doing. He's coming out
Speaker 3: of a shell. He's he's bringing his New Yorker out
Speaker 3: a little bit, and I like it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's from the wrong part of New York. He's
Speaker 7: from Buffalo. It ain't quite the same as being from
Speaker 7: New York, New York.
Speaker 2: Buffalo is like basically being from New Jersey.
Speaker 7: I was thinking more like being from Cleveland. But you know, ouch.
Speaker 2: Hurts. She said, who's Ohio els in here?
Speaker 7: Well, that's worse than being from Dayton.
Speaker 1: Said that he thought that we were right just a
Speaker 1: few minutes ago. I thought he thought. I thought that
Speaker 1: he was alluding to we were right that Samoa Joe
Speaker 1: is in fact the beast Bortos.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Thought, yeah. I want to move on to something that's
Speaker 1: really interesting because a couple of days ago on Instagram,
Speaker 1: somebody apparently said, so Rita deeb a list of twelve
Speaker 1: women in aw that would be good for the Women's
Speaker 1: Continental Classic. I did post it in the chat. If
Speaker 1: you haven't seen it yet, Serena Dean thought it was
Speaker 1: a great idea. She posted it on her Instagram. Uh,
Speaker 1: not this graphic that you see, but just the list
Speaker 1: of the names, and she said, these are great, these
Speaker 1: are great names. But uh, look we got a lot
Speaker 1: of talented women in the AW locker room. And the
Speaker 1: first thing I noticed is, yeah, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of talented women in the AW locker room. Because there's
Speaker 1: people missing on this I'm gonna read off the names
Speaker 1: real quick that were given to Sorita Deep, Soriita, deeb,
Speaker 1: Mercedes Monette, Tony Storm, Willow Nightingale, Mariah May, Chris Statlander,
Speaker 1: Anna Jay, Jamie Hayter, Mina Shirakawa, Julia Hart, Queen Amanada,
Speaker 1: and thunder Rosa. And you will notice that there's no
Speaker 1: Britt Baker, there's no Romasheeda, there's no Karashida, there's no Rijo,
Speaker 1: there's no Nila Rose, all no Soirea, all former champions,
Speaker 1: all for all the current TBS champions that are on
Speaker 1: the roster. Of course, Jade Cargill is no longer on
Speaker 1: the roster. So do you want to say thank God again?
Speaker 7: Nope? Got my thank God?
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's look about a women's see too, because
Speaker 1: this is fantasy booking at its finest. Who would you
Speaker 1: take off this list and who would you put on
Speaker 1: the list.
Speaker 7: Well, if it's me, I'm taking off the champions Manet
Speaker 7: and Mariah and they're they're not they're not in it. Uh,
Speaker 7: and would put it in. I would put in I
Speaker 7: would put in Penelope for it and Chidah just because
Speaker 7: Penelope I think has earned a spot in this if
Speaker 7: they were to have it, because she's been doing such
Speaker 7: a great job. I'm trying to figure out who else
Speaker 7: I would take out, because I would I would actually
Speaker 7: probably we were talking about it earlier. I would probably
Speaker 7: put the r o H champion here if I could
Speaker 7: get another spot. But there's such a good team this
Speaker 7: this this is made up of twelve good women already.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And the only reason I would put in I would
Speaker 7: put in the chant from r o H is simply
Speaker 7: because different different it's a different it's a different company,
Speaker 7: so you know, it's a different company, and it wouldn't
Speaker 7: feel the same. And you, I mean, you could take
Speaker 7: seven of these women and actually get five from r
Speaker 7: o H. You could put Starks, you could put uh,
Speaker 7: you could take women from anywhere. I mean, you really
Speaker 7: could put in a ton of other women in this,
Speaker 7: but the twelve that are there, adding in Deep and
Speaker 7: Penelope Ford would be one the hell of a tournament.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. I really want to put Aby Soccer in there.
Speaker 3: You know, she did a great job and she's hard hitting,
Speaker 3: and that's what I want to see in that. And
Speaker 3: I don't want to see the big heavyweights go. I
Speaker 3: don't want to see Queen Amanada. I want to see
Speaker 3: the heavyweights who you know we're gonna put on a
Speaker 3: good match and you aren't still a little green just
Speaker 3: to go out each other and just show what women's
Speaker 3: wrestling can be. I don't have a problems creaming on Auto,
Speaker 3: but I don't think she's right for the tournament.
Speaker 2: I would take out Deep, I would take out Monet,
Speaker 2: I would put take out Mariah May. I put in
Speaker 2: Pirazza and tie A Valkyrie and put them in different
Speaker 2: divisions because they're friends and having them fight would be fun.
Speaker 2: I would put Camille in there in the place of
Speaker 2: Mercedes Monette, because not only she a more compelling professional wrestler,
Speaker 2: she has something to prove. I would leave Queen Amanada in.
Speaker 2: I apologize for who said that they would take her out,
Speaker 2: because she is one of the most slept on women
Speaker 2: in the women's locker room. Every match that she has,
Speaker 2: she's quite proficient. Saw her performing Cleveland recently and she
Speaker 2: covered Laylah Gray when she lost her wig in the
Speaker 2: middle of the match, and now she's rocking that natural haircut,
Speaker 2: which is sweet. She looked at her and said, it's okay, honey,
Speaker 2: do what you do right there for everybody to see
Speaker 2: covered her. It was a very It was a class act.
Speaker 2: If I would put the t I would put the
Speaker 2: TBS title on Queen Amanada just for being such a
Speaker 2: class act.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna say, I'm gonna agree with
Speaker 1: some of what everybody said, and I'm gonna disagree with
Speaker 1: some things at some set. I do agree that Mariah
Speaker 1: May and Mercedes Bone should not be in this tournament
Speaker 1: if they were to have one, because they're champions already.
Speaker 1: The whole purpose of this tournament is probably gonna be
Speaker 1: something to the effect of the winner of the tournament
Speaker 1: gets to gets a In my beinion'd be like a
Speaker 1: best two out of three matches for the title. Let
Speaker 1: me preface this by saying this. My next person that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take out preface it is that I would
Speaker 1: also do a rig of honor see two, maybe even
Speaker 1: do it first. Yes, and Queen Amanada definitely definitely needs
Speaker 1: to be in the Ring of Honor C two. That
Speaker 1: being said, I would remove quet Domenada from this tournament
Speaker 1: simply because she's more associated with wins in Ring of
Speaker 1: Honor than she is in AW. If you go on
Speaker 1: to all the rankings dot com and quet Domenada, you'll
Speaker 1: see that she's not a winning machine in AW. She
Speaker 1: eats the pins. But hey, at a tournament like this,
Speaker 1: you do need one or two, three four women that
Speaker 1: will be susceptible I guess to eating pins. So yeah,
Speaker 1: Mina shir Kawa is kind of an interesting choice in here. Frankly,
Speaker 1: I believe that if Mina shir Kawa doesn't win the
Speaker 1: match that she's going to be having with for Riah Man,
Speaker 1: she in no way, shape or form should ever get
Speaker 1: another title shot ever, because it's just not happening. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't have somebody lose two championship matches in a
Speaker 1: row and then give them another shot or even an
Speaker 1: opportunity for another shot. That being said, I do believe
Speaker 1: that Mina Shirikau is going to beat Mariah May become
Speaker 1: the new AW Women's World Champion at least I hope.
Speaker 2: So we can only be so lucky. Yeah, I just
Speaker 2: think it'd be better.
Speaker 1: I think it'd be better best for AW.
Speaker 2: I think I think Mariah May has not been given
Speaker 2: the opportunity to perform at the level that she did
Speaker 2: in start him. I don't think she's been given that upportunity.
Speaker 2: I think that if Tony was smart, he would look
Speaker 2: at these two women for their match on Wednesday and say,
Speaker 2: do what you did?
Speaker 1: And you happened to see Shane, did you happen to
Speaker 1: see Mariah May's close up sit down? It's like eight
Speaker 1: minutes long that she that was posted on the AW
Speaker 1: YouTube channel today. Negative it's a huge, brilliant, It's brilliant.
Speaker 1: It's the best thing that Mariah May has done since
Speaker 1: her work with Tony Storms. She's using character in the
Speaker 1: entire time. She tore apart the AW Women's division saying basically,
Speaker 1: she basically said it sucks and there's on her level,
Speaker 1: you know, And basically she said, hey, Mina Shira Kala
Speaker 1: the whole I still love Mina Shira Kala, but that's
Speaker 1: why I'm giving her this chance. Now she's got to
Speaker 1: prove it by beating me that she deserves it. And
Speaker 1: everything she did and everything she said was spot on. Brilliant,
Speaker 1: she stayed in character, she was funny, and of course
Speaker 1: her day was right on point two. So uh yeah,
Speaker 1: So this women's CE two idea, Like I said, I
Speaker 1: think that you should do a Rig of Honor one. Hey,
Speaker 1: if you're trying to get eyes on Ring of Honor
Speaker 1: for maybe that TV deal that we talked about a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, a C two in the women's
Speaker 1: division may be just a ticket, especially if you had
Speaker 1: the finals. I don't know out an aw pay per view,
Speaker 1: I don't know, just to get eyes on it. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's get eyes on Ring of Honor. You've got a
Speaker 1: lot of women at Ring Athena, Billy Starks, at Velvet
Speaker 1: Queen Amadada, the Renegadees have been a presence there, Layla Birsch.
Speaker 1: You can even argue for Ray, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of women there that can that can
Speaker 1: do this, and frankly, thanks to Adena, A Ring of
Speaker 1: Honor is really established itself as the place to go
Speaker 1: if you like women's wrestling. I mean, they shine there,
Speaker 1: so why not.
Speaker 8: Hell yeah?
Speaker 1: All right, Well let's get into something a little bit spicier.
Speaker 4: Ool.
Speaker 2: Spicier than half the is it spicier than half of
Speaker 2: what we talked about today.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's really spicy. U and I want to
Speaker 1: talk about the Max deal because there are a lot
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say this. This is why it's spicy.
Speaker 1: There are so many people on the freaking Internet that
Speaker 1: make fun of AW for the crowd sizes had for
Speaker 1: their television viewership, of their ratings had to be fair.
Speaker 1: There are people that will go to smack Down two
Speaker 1: hours before the show and take a picture of a
Speaker 1: nearly empty arena and pass it off as well they're
Speaker 1: they're not doing well either. I mean, it's just it's
Speaker 1: like a pissing contest and a strong wind. You look
Speaker 1: like a full at your wett afterwards. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just it's just preposterous. This Max deal. To me, one
Speaker 1: of the things I'm most looking forward to and the
Speaker 1: Max deal is that I don't think Max has viewership
Speaker 1: numbers that they're gonna put out. So starting January first,
Speaker 1: you know, fight for the Fallen. We're not going to
Speaker 1: know how many people watch WWE on Netflix probably a
Speaker 1: true a shrew viewership, live viewership, or how many people
Speaker 1: are watching AW you know live. So I'm just looking
Speaker 1: forward to the launya to stop.
Speaker 2: Hot take stuff.
Speaker 1: I know it's tucking to stop, but the people that
Speaker 1: are talking about it are absolutely positively not gonna have
Speaker 1: any kind of feat to stand on whether or AW
Speaker 1: fants talking about WWE or ww fans talking about AW.
Speaker 1: The numbers aren't there, right.
Speaker 2: The hot take is is that the entire WWE fandom
Speaker 2: is going to have to flock to Netflix to see
Speaker 2: raw because they're completely eliminated from cable network TV, whereas
Speaker 2: AW Dynamite has now given their viewership an opportunity to
Speaker 2: view it on something without having to subscribe to something
Speaker 2: like exactly Hulu Live very point. So what people are
Speaker 2: gonna do is they're going to look at the nut. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm canceling my Hulu Live January first. I can't wait.
Speaker 2: It's a one hundred dollars a month. I only I
Speaker 2: only get NFL Game Pass for fifteen bucks a month,
Speaker 2: and then Max for fifteen bucks in a month and
Speaker 2: seven saved myself seventy dollars on the year. But but
Speaker 2: WWE fans.
Speaker 8: Are gonna say, oh, well, there's only a small group
Speaker 8: of people watching it on Max. Yeah, it's a small
Speaker 8: demographic but they're still pulling numbers for television as well,
Speaker 8: for the people that don't flock over to that platform.
Speaker 8: Not to mention that people are sitting in.
Speaker 2: The arena leave the numbers game alone, because aw ain't
Speaker 2: going nowhere, whether you like it or not.
Speaker 7: So I did a little research about this this morning.
Speaker 7: I looked it up. There are the last numbers I
Speaker 7: could see. There are one hundred and ten million subscribers
Speaker 7: to Max. There are two that almost almost triples the
Speaker 7: number of viewers that are on TNT and TBS combined.
Speaker 7: Now Netflix does two hundred and eighty two million. They
Speaker 7: have subscribers, but they have more problems than they ever
Speaker 7: have with Netflix because they're always constantly messing with their
Speaker 7: the way they do things with the prices. So it's
Speaker 7: not like, and you know, I'm not saying to compare
Speaker 7: them that way with the numbers, but when you're doubling
Speaker 7: your your possible viewership but yet still keep me in
Speaker 7: available for people who still have cable, you're winning already. Yeah,
Speaker 7: there's no way you can be losing.
Speaker 4: It's really gonna help me.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 4: That's gonna help me because I just I.
Speaker 3: Bought, Uh, I just got mixed, and I paid nine
Speaker 3: ninety nine for I try to use VP and I
Speaker 3: try to use the use thriller, but I just don't
Speaker 3: like it. It's not great all the time, and it's
Speaker 3: gonna help me. I bought it, and well for people
Speaker 3: like me who who cut the court a long time ago,
Speaker 3: it's a blessing. So I could actually watch it and
Speaker 3: stream it and enjoy stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the bottom line is here, they've created
Speaker 2: another avenue, avenue for themselves to be viewed, whereas WWE
Speaker 2: cornholder viewership. It's gonna pump Netflix numbers for sure, but
Speaker 2: when they're logging in and dealing with the same ship
Speaker 2: that you dealt with for the Tyson and Paul fight,
Speaker 2: because they're not gonna be ready for that, you know,
Speaker 2: like for for the Weeds that are gonna go up
Speaker 2: there and try to watch em galleon on a Monday
Speaker 2: evening when people are trying to watch a raw bad
Speaker 2: news for you, you're not going to be able to do it.
Speaker 1: Pal Like, yeahhe was that a Netflix problem or was
Speaker 1: that a you know, the whatever? It was the production
Speaker 1: of the now.
Speaker 2: The show it was, well, it wasn't the production of
Speaker 2: the show. It was about network stability. They didn't anticipate
Speaker 2: that adding one hundred and fifty million users would bog
Speaker 2: down their servers. They just winged it and went with it.
Speaker 2: That's how that worked.
Speaker 7: Dude.
Speaker 2: I watched that Tyson and Paul fight from a bar
Speaker 2: and it froze on the same screen. We counted for
Speaker 2: fourteen for fourteen minutes and thirty seven seconds on the
Speaker 2: first fight, and that was ninety percent of.
Speaker 1: The sounds like a fun bar.
Speaker 2: Well what yeah, no, but but that's what that's what ever,
Speaker 2: But that's what everyone experienced viewing the fight. That's the problem.
Speaker 2: It wasn't mutually exclusive to the network connectivity of this
Speaker 2: hole in the wall in the middle of a of
Speaker 2: a shitty town and Cleveland, outside of Cleveland. It was
Speaker 2: a product of network, the network that Netflix leaned on.
Speaker 2: They're not ready, they're not ready for all of these
Speaker 2: rabid WWE fans to bombard their servers. They weren't ready
Speaker 2: for Tyson and Paul.
Speaker 1: Well that let's hope that aw is because it's going
Speaker 1: to be a spike at those times for them too.
Speaker 2: Well, you want both to be successful. That that will,
Speaker 2: like the whole the whole idea is promoting a culture
Speaker 2: that whether it would regardless of the flavor of professional
Speaker 2: wrestling that you love, that it's accessible to everybody, and
Speaker 2: that's what adding streaming is supposed to do.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you just said that because one of the
Speaker 1: things that I have noticed in the years that I've
Speaker 1: been following AW and being a moderator on Reddit and elsewhere,
Speaker 1: is that you always have new people becoming fans or
Speaker 1: showing interest at AW, and they say the same thing, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm new to aa W. Where do I start? Well,
Speaker 1: now you can give them a place to start, because
Speaker 1: the library will now be on Max and they can
Speaker 1: go and they can look at some of the moments
Speaker 1: that have established AW. You don't have that. Well, when
Speaker 1: you a W as a fan, you're basically coming in
Speaker 1: blind unless you're really into YouTube videos and you have
Speaker 1: keywords that you can search.
Speaker 2: Well, Actually, Kelson, I'm gonna be that guy. If you
Speaker 2: want to get into AW, you need to pay eight
Speaker 2: ninety nine a month and start with New Japan Strong
Speaker 2: and watch all Kenny and watch the Bowl Club's upbringing, because.
Speaker 1: Watch all the Eddie Kingston matches.
Speaker 2: We'll watch a Ring of Honor.
Speaker 1: There you go, you know what I'm saying. You want
Speaker 1: to know what's what to expect from Dynamite and you
Speaker 1: want to know what to expect to a lesser extent
Speaker 1: from Collision because it has a better round. As long
Speaker 1: Dynamite is the flagship stage, it was the flagship program.
Speaker 1: You can't do that, where with w W you can
Speaker 1: go back and you can watch everything.
Speaker 2: Well, I gotta I gotta ask your perspective on the Sutton, like,
Speaker 2: do you believe in the idea like everyone starts somewhere
Speaker 2: in wrestling, do you need to start from the beginning
Speaker 2: to become a fan or can you just place yourself
Speaker 2: in a scenario where you're getting new to a story
Speaker 2: and just dive right in.
Speaker 7: Me personally, I don't think you have to go back
Speaker 7: to become a fan because, especially especially because of what's
Speaker 7: happened this year, because when you compare this year to
Speaker 7: the past four years, AW is a totally different place
Speaker 7: because before this year the stories weren't as strong. There
Speaker 7: were there was there was a lot of chaos and
Speaker 7: and and in each show there were some that were good,
Speaker 7: there were some that were bad. I'm the wrestling matches
Speaker 7: were always always good, but there just wasn't as much
Speaker 7: story as there is now. So you know, if you,
Speaker 7: for me, I would not have I would not have
Speaker 7: to go back and see it. It would be great,
Speaker 7: And it'll be awesome once they do that, because then
Speaker 7: you can go back like I used to watch them
Speaker 7: before the network was on, you know, back in the day,
Speaker 7: I would watch the network as much as I could,
Speaker 7: actually paid for it for a little while, and I
Speaker 7: watched all the old stuff. I didn't give a crap
Speaker 7: about the new stuff because it didn't like it. But
Speaker 7: I love the old stuff. So you know, I don't
Speaker 7: think you have to be a fan or to you
Speaker 7: have to see the past to become a big fan
Speaker 7: of aw Well.
Speaker 2: Let me bet, let me double down on that question.
Speaker 2: Do you think that having access to a digital library
Speaker 2: and starting from the beginning is going to create new
Speaker 2: professional wrestling fans?
Speaker 7: Yes? But then again, I also like, like like for me,
Speaker 7: I don't watch r H and I know they're not
Speaker 7: part of this yet, but with r o H, it's
Speaker 7: changed so much too over the years that it would
Speaker 7: be really good to get the ability to go back
Speaker 7: and watch r o H from the beginning. That could
Speaker 7: make you a fan of r o H. But with
Speaker 7: a like I said, I would love to be able
Speaker 7: to go back and watch the pay per views and
Speaker 7: stuff like that, But it for me, like I said,
Speaker 7: for me, it's it's not necessarily something that would have
Speaker 7: to be done to make me a fan of the
Speaker 7: of the show.
Speaker 1: Would you go back and watch some if you had,
Speaker 1: If you could go back to watch one, I'd.
Speaker 7: Go back and watch because I had to go back
Speaker 7: and watch.
Speaker 1: What would you what would you go back and watch?
Speaker 1: Okay watch.
Speaker 7: One of the biggest things I would want to go
Speaker 7: back and watch is I still think the Uh Luca Bros.
Speaker 7: Versus the Uh There you go through the Elite. Their
Speaker 7: ladder matches they had were two of the biggest and
Speaker 7: best ladder matches all time. That might be a personal
Speaker 7: thing just for me, but I love the ladder matches
Speaker 7: they had in the early days. Those were some amazing matches.
Speaker 7: Go back and watch?
Speaker 1: What about you, m K.
Speaker 4: I don't need to go back. I've seen it all.
Speaker 4: I'm not a reviewer.
Speaker 1: If you did, you don't have to go back. But
Speaker 1: if you had somebody new coming in they said, what
Speaker 1: should I go back and watch? What would you suggest
Speaker 1: for them to go back and watch.
Speaker 3: I don't think they need to go back that far.
Speaker 3: I mean things have not changed that much. I think
Speaker 3: maybe to win hang I'll go post punk and then
Speaker 3: start again because then you get in meet some of
Speaker 3: the bigger players and still knock at the drama and
Speaker 3: all that.
Speaker 1: Same question to you, Shane, what would you go back
Speaker 1: and watch Man?
Speaker 2: This is gonna be shocking coming out, shocking coming out
Speaker 2: of my mouth because it's it's two matches, but it's
Speaker 2: not an Omega match, which you know me, I'm the
Speaker 2: world's biggest Kenny Omegastan Like I would say go back
Speaker 2: and watch Hangman mocks when Hangman takes the belt, and
Speaker 2: I would say go back and watch Orange Cassidy and
Speaker 2: will Osprey Forbidden Door one that like, listen, you could
Speaker 2: love to hate either guy, but that Will ost Bray
Speaker 2: Orange Cassidy match was the match of the year, and
Speaker 2: it had so much in it. It was so much
Speaker 2: in that match. It was technically one of the greatest
Speaker 2: professional wrestling matches of maybe the past five years.
Speaker 1: If I had to suggest for somebody to go back
Speaker 1: and watch one show, not just one match, one show,
Speaker 1: the Brody Lee Tribute Show. Yeah, go back, and I
Speaker 1: don't care if you knew who Brody Lee was at all,
Speaker 1: that show's gonna jack you up. I'm sorry. The raw
Speaker 1: emotion on that show will make you want to know
Speaker 1: who these wrestlers are that are paying tribute and that
Speaker 1: whole thing with Tony Kahn and negative one at the
Speaker 1: end of the show.
Speaker 2: Wow, yep, it had it hit you know, they made
Speaker 2: a whole show for Brodie Lee. WWA gave Bray Wyatt
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes at the beginning of a raw where they
Speaker 2: gave the ten bells salute like it hit harder. That's
Speaker 2: a fact.
Speaker 1: It was a It was a brilliant, brilliant show, and
Speaker 1: that's what I would recommend going back to watch, just
Speaker 1: so you can see the camaraderie and the emotion that
Speaker 1: was in that show. It was It's stunning. It really
Speaker 1: is stunning. Well, let's get to our pot pourrix because
Speaker 1: this could be interesting. I've got something spicy to talk about.
Speaker 1: It's not actually one of my topics. It's actually something
Speaker 1: that somebody posted on the aw fat ub subreddit. Does
Speaker 1: anybody have a potpourrie or do they want me to
Speaker 1: go first? You can go course. Okay, So somebody ranked,
Speaker 1: and this's got a lot of responses. It's very interesting.
Speaker 1: Somebody ranked all the twenty twenty four AW pay per views,
Speaker 1: the AW pay per views from twenty twenty four from
Speaker 1: worst the best. So I'm gonna ask you, guys, what
Speaker 1: do you think about? Look, we all know that a
Speaker 1: w's worst pay per view is better than most pay
Speaker 1: per views that have ever been produced. But if you
Speaker 1: have to rank the worst or what do you like
Speaker 1: the least? You can even say that the what do
Speaker 1: you like the least? The one you like the most
Speaker 1: this year? Where would you go?
Speaker 2: Hmm?
Speaker 7: I can't. I can't really go that way because I've
Speaker 7: liked all of them. I mean, I don't really have
Speaker 7: one that No, Seriously, I love the I love all
Speaker 7: the pay per views. I don't ever have any problem
Speaker 7: with any of them. If I was to rank the
Speaker 7: number one this year would probably be all in for me.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, who wants to go to m K?
Speaker 1: Let's go to you.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I have too better memory of what's what
Speaker 3: on on pay per views? But one worst word won
Speaker 3: the championship. I think was good. I have a bad
Speaker 3: memory of what's not was so I can't say.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, you know we lost the championship at all.
Speaker 4: In uh, where do you win it at?
Speaker 9: I don't know, I can't remember it won the a
Speaker 9: W World Championship Samoa Joe Dynasty, which technically was the
Speaker 9: worst pay per view of this year metrically.
Speaker 1: I'm crazy, but what did you what did you think metrically?
Speaker 1: Does that also, Paul, in line with your.
Speaker 2: No dynasty Dynasty sucked? Samoa Joe bowed out because he
Speaker 2: was ready for Twisted Metal season two, and then a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks later had Jericho put him through drywall
Speaker 2: on a Forkland.
Speaker 1: After being in a fact, what was your best pay
Speaker 1: per view?
Speaker 2: All out? Straight up? Hangman and Swarft Strickland was a
Speaker 2: banger my baw's best match of the year. Well, the
Speaker 2: fact that they're sleeping on that there's that they went
Speaker 2: to sleeping on that feud is sad. They've broken up
Speaker 2: Hangman from what was probably one of the more interesting
Speaker 2: things that was happening this year in AW. I hope
Speaker 2: they loop back around to it, but that that match
Speaker 2: was absolutely savage broke his head on a cinder block.
Speaker 2: God every swerve Strickland page match. This year was brutal.
Speaker 2: I'm a sicko. I like the heart stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, for me, my favorite not saying it's the best,
Speaker 1: but my favorite pay per view this year was Revolution,
Speaker 1: tell ya, I mean, I mean, how can you not
Speaker 1: love seeing staying in the ring with Darby and then
Speaker 1: not Darby's against the Bucks and winning. I mean, that
Speaker 1: was this pure emotion, just great. Uh. The one that
Speaker 1: I disliked the most. Uh, I dont even know if
Speaker 1: this is fair to even say, the glorified exhibition that
Speaker 1: is forbidden door a.
Speaker 2: View and you're just fine.
Speaker 1: It was awful one match, I remember. That's me to
Speaker 1: share Colla and Tony Storm simply because they had the
Speaker 1: story leading up to it. Everything else was disposable trash
Speaker 1: in my opinion, I will never I didn't buy for
Speaker 1: bid door one. I didn't buy for bid door two.
Speaker 1: I bought for bid door three. I will never make
Speaker 1: that mistake again ever. Awful, absolutely awful. That's spicy.
Speaker 2: That is very spicy. Your spice levels in the school
Speaker 2: of the millions of schoolvills, Buddy.
Speaker 1: I just don't get. I don't get why you should
Speaker 1: have to pay for something that I should see on
Speaker 1: rampage or on YouTube. That's not worth That wasn't worth
Speaker 1: a dime for me. It is what it is. That
Speaker 1: was my potpourri.
Speaker 2: I have a fun I have a fun pot pourri.
Speaker 1: Fun out of mine, more fun than mine.
Speaker 2: No, it's like it's like giddy haha fun.
Speaker 7: Oh boy.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you know during these podcasts, I, you know,
Speaker 2: being a nerd, I have like another monitor over here
Speaker 2: with a bunch of wrestling facts on it that I
Speaker 2: sprawled out like a psychopath prior to prior to this pod, true,
Speaker 2: I I dove into Wikipedia, and during the podcast I
Speaker 2: stubbled into a little loophole of looking up luchadors like
Speaker 2: that are famous other than the ones where people know
Speaker 2: their name. Like if you go into lick Wikipedia, for example,
Speaker 2: look up Pentagon Jr. His born name is nowhere to
Speaker 2: be seen. And I looked at ten other unknown lucadors
Speaker 2: on there to corroborate this, like and it appears that
Speaker 2: Wikipedia is being respectful of Luca of Luca culture and
Speaker 2: not exposing these guys.
Speaker 1: Actually think you're the same thing.
Speaker 2: For yeah, I think they gave luchadors. It gives me
Speaker 2: a little yuck yuck, like like thank you Wikipedia, for
Speaker 2: being respectful to luchador culture.
Speaker 1: Oh fine, starlight kids.
Speaker 2: A hold on, I'm on it. I try to look
Speaker 2: at another.
Speaker 1: Her first name I think is Yuri, but uh but yeah,
Speaker 1: there's she's a Japanese luchador.
Speaker 2: Right, well, hold on, uh nope, hold on, nope, nope,
Speaker 2: they're respectful of her her. Hold on, Wait a minute, nope,
Speaker 2: I'm going through it. Know her lucidor name is good
Speaker 2: to go, her her her board name is good to go.
Speaker 2: They have all of her ring names, but not her. Yeah, go,
Speaker 2: way to go. Wikipedia. Props to Wikipedia. Join the aw
Speaker 2: fan hub.
Speaker 1: They protect those Luca doors luchador's names like I protected
Speaker 1: protected my virgidity for thirty two years. Wow that I
Speaker 1: slept up a few times, but I still tried to.
Speaker 2: I want to look, who's Laparka. Let's see if the
Speaker 2: park is up here? Oh god, yeah, that's right. Also
Speaker 2: La Park. The first of the park's name is up here,
Speaker 2: not the second and third one. I guess. I guess
Speaker 2: their name comes out after they die. That's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so I have I have one real quick.
Speaker 3: I've talked about it on the on the topics thread
Speaker 3: and stuff, and that's the that the gate so far
Speaker 3: for all in is one point two five million. So
Speaker 3: you know a lot of haters have said, well they well,
Speaker 3: they don't do good well in the United States. Will
Speaker 3: now blow it up your backside, because uh, we do.
Speaker 3: And I bought tickets. I gotta say money to go now,
Speaker 3: but mine's in the upper deckers.
Speaker 4: But I'll be there.
Speaker 3: So I'm excited to go to my first pay per
Speaker 3: view in Dallas.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but somet and save us.
Speaker 7: I don't have a boopery, you know what. You know
Speaker 7: what I kind of do, but it's more of a
Speaker 7: I want to clarify when we were talking about the
Speaker 7: women CE two why I said thank God when Brett
Speaker 7: Baker wasn't in it because to me, if they wait,
Speaker 7: wait wait, wait no, hear me out, if they put
Speaker 7: Britt Baker in that tournament, it would take away from
Speaker 7: it because she gets given way too many wins, and
Speaker 7: in a tournament like that, you can't have that. You
Speaker 7: can't have somebody that's going into it who wins more
Speaker 7: matches than she should hence the Penelope before match she
Speaker 7: should have never won, and it just would not be
Speaker 7: fair to the other people in it.
Speaker 1: The only reason I would before putting Britt Baker in
Speaker 1: there is because, as I said, you should put Sera
Speaker 1: in there. Of course, Tony Storm was already on the list,
Speaker 1: Nila Rose, Rijo A Karashida, who are not on the
Speaker 1: list for Baker. That way, you have every former world champion,
Speaker 1: AW women's World champion in the tournament, and that's what
Speaker 1: it's all about.
Speaker 2: Sudden you don't think that Britt Baker wouldn't keep the
Speaker 2: tournament too or do you think or do you think
Speaker 2: she'd break up with AW if she didn't get her away?
Speaker 1: We can hope, you know the other thing, but the
Speaker 1: other on the flip side, Britt Baker may go in
Speaker 1: there and eat pins and And I'm gonna be honest
Speaker 1: with you for all the hate that Britt Baker gets
Speaker 1: when you lost to thunder Rosa for the Women's World
Speaker 1: Championship in that was it a cage match.
Speaker 2: Or was it?
Speaker 1: Was it just ye, she went all she put it
Speaker 1: out there. She did good. I mean that was she
Speaker 1: took a bunch of pretty damn scary bumps at that match.
Speaker 1: You know what, I think that she's getting a little
Speaker 1: bit of a bad reputation simply because she broke up
Speaker 1: with the with the yellow baster.
Speaker 2: You know, to rebuttal that, I I have to say
Speaker 2: that it is her fault for everything that she's accused of.
Speaker 2: And she made Adam Cole yellow. Yeah, because she's herself,
Speaker 2: and she made Adam Cole Simpson's character and now he
Speaker 2: doesn't play video games on Twitch anymore.
Speaker 7: She she made her She made her bid because she
Speaker 7: took to heart everything anybody ever told her and took
Speaker 7: it as beating.
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, what's.
Speaker 7: It's an opinion, but it's it's more, it's more accurate
Speaker 7: than not, because just look how she acts. She acts
Speaker 7: like she's the greatest wrestler of all time.
Speaker 1: I'll say stuff like that.
Speaker 2: You think Tony Kahan is sitting there just like, oh Britt,
Speaker 2: here's brit guys.
Speaker 7: I don't know why doesn't. But he gives her way
Speaker 7: too much that she should that she's never earned.
Speaker 1: She does favors for him. You know, you know what
Speaker 1: I free?
Speaker 2: What do you think? What do you think her? A? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Where do you think Dan Hall has has got all
Speaker 1: those teeth?
Speaker 2: Well, he's been collecting.
Speaker 7: He visits the local cemetery and picks him up.
Speaker 2: Nah, he got he got his first set of teeth
Speaker 2: from the corpse of Elgenerico, the greatest legend order ever lived.
Speaker 2: I think it's time to add the show count.
Speaker 1: On that note for that, everybody does a favor, raise
Speaker 1: her hand.
Speaker 2: Oh you can only see one.
Speaker 1: So he everybody else chickened out.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I just realize wrongs left.
Speaker 1: Yeah, about forty five minutes ago. Forty five minutes ago.
Speaker 2: I'm taking notice.
Speaker 7: Before it was so quiet.
Speaker 1: Can't can't get anything past.
Speaker 2: Mk I s I love that guy.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, can't get anything past FK. So again,
Speaker 1: just to reiterate tomorrow on the aw fan Hubs I'm
Speaker 1: reading on Discord and on Blue Sky, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: We'll have the link for you to go and vote
Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty four aw fan Hub Awards. Four
Speaker 1: nominees selected by you have been made in seven categories.
Speaker 1: Now you get the vote in the finals for the
Speaker 1: seven categories. You'll have ten days to do it. That's
Speaker 1: the separate Twenty first is the last day, and we'll
Speaker 1: be announcing the winners of the aw fat Hub Awards
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four on December twenty second. I know
Speaker 1: that all of you cannot wait for that. And then
Speaker 1: of course our very own Shane Dean Shane Dean Shane
Speaker 1: Dee will be interviewing doctor David Reese, staff psychiatrist for
Speaker 1: all EAD Wrestling on Thursday, December twelfth, right here in
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Speaker 2: Hey guys, Ny Brus