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Speaker 1: This is a studio both and production.

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Speaker 2: This is true crime bullshit. I'm your host, Josh Hallmark,

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and this is a serialized story of Israel Keys. In

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late summer, we started poring over Pacific Northwest cases in

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preparation for my meeting with Agent Halla. Cases we thought

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that we had strong arguments for as being Keys victims,

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Camie and Eugene, Stephen, Michael Mason, Celia, Darlene Barnes, del

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Mar Sample, Jonathan Corey, and other cases cases that had

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been on our radar for years that we hadn't yet

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deep dived due to either a lack of files or time.

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Cases like Clark Banister, Zachary Weston, Gregory Siemans Brown, and

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Roger Leonard Young. Brown and Young in particular are cases

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that have come up in our research year after year

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after year since almost the very beginning of the show,

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and over this past year we finally received the case

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files in all four of those disappearances. And of those

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four cases, the strangest was Roger Jones. In it, there

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were plenty of.

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Speaker 1: Keys markers, but also a lot that just made no

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sense at all, and there were some very bizarre coincidences.

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There were three theories of what could have happened, but

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none of them felt certain, corroborating circumstantial evidence for each,

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but there was also circumstantial evidence that made each of

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them feel unlikely. Roger was reported missing by his mother, Gail,

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on October twenty fifth of two thousand and five. She

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filed the missing person's report after receiving a phone call

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from Roger's landlord in Everett, Washington. One of the tenants

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in the apartment building where Roger lived had informed the

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landlord that he hadn't seen Roger in about thirty days,

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which was irregular, and he was growing concerned. And that's

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the thing about this disappearance. It was complicated from the start.

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Speaker 2: You see.

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Speaker 1: The reason it was Roger's landlord who alerted his mother

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that he was unaccounted for is that Roger had been

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estranged from his parents for almost three years when he

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went missing. According to police interviews with his parents, Roger

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had graduate from UC Berkeley in two thousand with a

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master's degree in mechanical engineering. Following graduation, he moved back

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in with his parents in Kirkland, Washington, a suburb of Seattle,

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and he stayed in their home until December of two

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thousand and two, when they sat him down and told

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him that they felt that they'd reached the end of

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their obligation to financially support him, that he needed to

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become self sufficient and get a place of his own.

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So Roger packed up his life and told his parents

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that he didn't want to see or hear from them again,

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and he never did. Roger's estrangement from his parents made

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things tricky because, according to the case files made available

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to us, his parents seemed to be the primary source

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of information about Roger and his life at the time

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of his disappearance. According to them, Roger didn't work, didn't

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have many friends, lived a fairly isolated life, and was

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likely surviving off of an investment fund Roger's father had

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set up for him, which had yielded somewhere between twenty

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and thirty thousand dollars by the time that Roger moved

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out of their house. They told police that Roger only

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had one checking account, and as far as we can tell,

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the investigations seemed to operate off of this information as

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though it were fact, as though Roger's parents version of

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him three years before he disappeared was the most accurate

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version of him when he disappeared. But a lot can

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change in a person's life in three years, particularly in

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their late twenties and early thirties, so we can't assume

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anything his parents knew about him three years prior to

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his disappearance would be accurate or the same at the

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time of his disappearance. And while financials would be fairly

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easy to assess, close friends and confidants would be more

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difficult to find. And it seems as though Everett Peady

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never sought out any potential friends, employers, acquaintances, or hiking

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buddies of Roger's as far as I can tell, they

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only interviewed three people from Roger's life, his parents and

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a park ranger. But we'll get more into that in

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a few minutes. Because the one salient piece of information

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Roger's parents gave police about Roger was his love for

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and skill at mountain climbing. Roger's father told police that

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Roger and their entire family were avid mountain climbers. Roger

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had climbed every mountain in the Cascades and took mountain

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climbing very seriously. He meticulously planned his climbs. He would

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research each climb, ride up an action plan and would

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note on his calendar his departure and expected return date

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from each climb, and he always left fully, if not

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overly prepared and equipped for those climbs. He told police

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that if Roger had gone climb, his equipment would be

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missing from his apartment and there would likely be some

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notation of where he was going and when he expected

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to return. He said that they should look specifically for

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a climbing calendar, rope climbing gear, and ice axe and crampons, which,

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for those uninitiated like me, are the spikey chain things

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that climbers put on their shoes to gain traction. The

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investigation into Roger's disappearance began immediately. Everett pe D contacted

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the US Border Patrol in Bellingham, Washington to see if

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Roger had recently crossed the border into Canada, and within

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a day the RCMP were able to confirm that Roger

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had not crossed into Canada within the past thirty days. Next,

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they began looking into Roger's financial records and transactions. Roger's

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last bank transaction was an ATM withdrawal of one hundred

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dollars on September twenty first, approximately four days before he

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was last seen by his neighbor. But on October fourth,

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his four hundred dollars rent check cleared and he had

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a balance of one thousand, four hundred fifty dollars in

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his check account, his only known bank account. Meanwhile, Roger's

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parents were working with local media to get the word

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out that Roger was missing. Seattle's ABC news affiliate Como

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ran a story urging anyone with information to contact Everett PD.

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And his parents met again with Everet PD to give

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them more information about their estrangement from their son. They

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said that when Roger returned home from UC Berkeley, he

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became hyper focused on climbing, so much so that he

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began to retreat from his friends and family. They said

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that he wasn't depressed or suicidal or known to do drugs.

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He just became a very independent, focused person. His sole

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interests were climbing and charting a self reliant path for himself.

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His mom said, when he wasn't climbing, when he was

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reading books on being your own man, being your own boss,

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controlling your life, and et cetera. They went on to

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tell Everett PD that a family friend had run into

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Roger and Everett in the spring before he went missing,

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and that the two spoke for a while until the

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friend brought up Roger's parents, at which point Roger immediately

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disengaged from the conversation and that was it. Following the

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initial call with Roger's parents, Everett PD put out a

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bolo for Roger's car, which had disappeared with him, a

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nineteen ninety red Jeep Cherokee with Washington state license plate

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four to two one p d V. The car's description

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was included in the Como News story as well, and

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on October thirty first, they got their first credible tip

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and separately knew information about Roger's life that took them

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to some pretty unexpects did places because it turned out

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the morning of October thirty first, two thousand and five,

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the Everet PD received their first credible tip in Roger

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Jones case. A man named Art and his wife had

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seen both Roger and his jeep Cherokee just days before

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on Thursday, October twenty seventh. According to Art, he and

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his wife were riding their motorcycles on Fire Service Road

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forty nine forty eight in the Gold Creek area of Hayak, Washington,

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near the Snowqualmie Pass of Interstate ninety on the morning

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of October twenty seventh. They were near the top of

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the road at a turnaround area when they saw a

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red jeep Cherokee traveling toward them on the road. The

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jeep passed, but not long after the same jeep Cherokee

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pulled up next to them on their bikes. The driver

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was the only person in the car. They described him

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as being in his late twenties or early thirties, with

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glasses and shoulder length brown hair, wearing a wool hat.

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Art told the police that the driver made eye contact

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with him, but never said anything or got out of

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the vea. He just stared at them until they left

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shortly after. Now the way that's written in the report

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is ambiguous and perhaps sounds more nefarious than the actual

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encounter was. It isn't clear how long the encounter lasted,

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or whether the couple left because the man was staring

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at them, or if the encounter and stare were brief

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and then they left the area sometime after it occurred.

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I've reached out to Art and his wife for clarification

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and haven't heard back yet, but Art said that he

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was sure that the man driving the jeep was Roger.

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He said that he even went back and looked at

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the photos in the news reports before calling the tip

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in because he wanted to be sure that who he

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saw did in fact look like Roger. So this would

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be a good time to bring up that Roger Jung

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looks remarkably like Israel Keys, but something we'll get into later.

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But at the time of Roger's disappearance, they both had thick,

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shoulder length brown hair. They both wore glasses, although Keys

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not always but often. Roger was six foot five, Keys

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was six foot two. They were both one hundred ninety pounds,

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and oddly they were exactly three years apart. Roger born

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on January seventh, nineteen seventy five Keys born on January seventh,

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nineteen seventy eight. At the time of the encounter, Roger

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would have been thirty and Keys twenty seven. The same

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morning that Art called in, Everett pe D worked with

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Search and Rescue to search the trail heads of all

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the areas they knew Roger to spend time hiking and

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climbing in with no success, and following Art's tip, they

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attempted to search the area at the top of fire

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Service Road forty nine forty eight, but it had been

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hit by a snow storm in the days following the

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siding and was inaccessible. In addition to contacting Everett PD,

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Art also reached out directly to Roger's father, and after

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hearing from Art, mister Jung called Everett PD to make

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sure that the police knew that the area of the

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sighting was not an area Roger would ever go to

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hiker climb. He said that he did not think the

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person they saw could be Roger. Several days later, Everett

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pe D received a call from a governmental agency out

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of Bellingham, Washington. They had some surprising information about Roger.

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So look, here's the moment where I'm going to annoy you.

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Roger had a secret. He made a very big mistake,

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a mistake that only one person who knew him knew about.

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And Roger told that one person that he was mortified

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and ashamed and very worried that people would find out

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what he did, and whether Roger is alive or deceased,

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and whether or not his disappearance has anything to do

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with that mistake. I'm not willing to be the person

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to turn that fear into a reality. So what I

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will tell you is this Roger made a pretty careless

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mistake that had big ramifications and huge impacts. Thankfully, no

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person was harmed and the mistake wasn't made out of

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ill will, but it got Roger into a lot of trouble.

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The caller told police that he had seen a report

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about Roger on the local news and that he had

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important information to share. Roger was scheduled to appear in

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court on November first for a citation he had received

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in August. He had already missed a mandatory hearing, which

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was scheduled for October fourth. Roger had been involved in

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an incident while camping in the North Cascades near the

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Ross Lake Recreation Area, in early August, and he said

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that Roger could face fines that exceeded one hundred thousand dollars.

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He faxed over the citation and courts and warned that

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if Roger did not show up to his November first

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court appearance, a warrant would be issued. The citation and

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originating report were signed by a park ranger named Kelly Bush.

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received their second credible tip. A woman named Sharon reported

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that she and her fiance were hiking a trail near

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Dorothy Lake in Gold Bar, Washington, on October thirtieth, and

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came across a red jeep Cherokee parked just off the

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trail road. She reported that the jeep was there when

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they started their hike at noon, and it was still

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there when they returned to their car at around four

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thirty p m. She unfortunately did not make a note

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of the jeep's license plate. That same afternoon, Roger's landlord

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granted Everett p D access to his apartment and confirmed

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that they had not received a November rent check yet

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from him, and that he almost always sent his rent

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checkout in a week. Early the search of Roger's apartment

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unfortunately yielded more questions than answers. When police arrived at

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Roger's apartment at thirty one thirty Broadway in Everett, Washington,

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both the dead bolt and knob were locked upon entry.

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They conducted a somewhat superficial search of the apartment and

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found the following On the coffee table. In his living room,

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they found an ARII visa card, various store convenience cards,

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twenty five dollars in cash, and several topographic maps. On

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a desk. In the living room, they found a blue

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wallet belonging to Roger, containing one hundred forty four dollars

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in cash, Roger's check book, and an open map with

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Trail seven fifteen the Meadow Mountain Trail in Granite Falls,

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Washington marked in green ink. In his kitchen, they found

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that the refrigerator was well stocked, although most of the

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food was rotten by now. In his bathroom they found

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all the standard toilet trees, and in Roger's bedroom they

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found his climbing ropes, his climbing backpacks, all of his

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climbing gear, and his winter and climbing wool clothes. According

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to his landlord, the apartment looked exactly as it had

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when he conducted a welfare check on October twenty fifth.

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Police could find no clear indication that Roger had gone climbing,

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no logs or notes as he was known to do,

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and all of his climbing gear seemed to be accounted

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for and present. In fact, the only items of note

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that they couldn't find were Roger's driver's license and keys.

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The following day, police checked Trail seven fifteen with no success,

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and they contacted Kelly Bush, the ranger who had filed

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a citation against Roger, and it turned out that Kelly

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had a lot to say about Roger and may have

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even been the last person to see him. Ranger Kelly

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Bush advised the EVERT PD that she'd come to know

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Roger quite well over the previous five years. He was

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a highly accomplished elite North Cascades climber. She said that

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he most often climbed solo. He told her he felt

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he could do the climbs better alone and liked being

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one on one with the mountain. She told law enforcement

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that she did not officially cite Roger at the time

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of the incident, that she made arrangements to meet with

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him several days later on August tenth, to issue his citation.

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It originally planned to meet at the library near Roger's apartment,

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but Roger told her that he would instead meet her

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at a rest stop on southbound Interstate five, just south

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of Highway five thirty, since that was a more equidistant

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meeting point for the pair. It's important to note that

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we obtained the e mail correspondence between Ranger, Bush and

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Roger regarding this meeting, and in it, Roger states that

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e mail is the best way to reach him because

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he doesn't have a cell phone. It's also insinuated that

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he uses the local library to access the internet. Kelly

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and Roger did meet at the rest stop at three

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p m. On August tenth. She officially issued him his citation,

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notified him that he was scheduled to appear in court

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on October fourth, discussed what he should expect from the

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court process, and let him know that the Department of

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Transportation was filing a civil suit against him for somewhere

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around seven thousand dollars, a significantly lower amount than had

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previously been mentioned. She said that Roger was mortified about

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what happened She said that he was okay paying the fines,

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he just didn't want his name in the paper attached

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to what had happened. He was incredibly embarrassed, remorseful, and cooperative.

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She told police that when the Department of Transportation contacted

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her in solicitation of Roger's name and information so they

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could file suit, she refused to give it to them.

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She also confirmed that Roger had failed to appear at

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his October fourth hearing. Kelly also told investigators that she

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had heard that Seattle City Light was also reviewing billing

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Roger for their cost related to the incident. Everett Peady

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confirmed with DOT that they planned on billing Roger for

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just above six thousand dollars. They also confirmed that Ranger

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Bush had in fact refused to give them Roger's information.

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Reports state that the incident costs Seattle City Light around

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one thousand dollars. My high level assessment is but Roger

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would have been billed somewhere around eight thousand dollars total

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based on the information available in the files and online.

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I think it's important to note that we have scoured

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the internet, including pacer, Washington State court recordsandnewspapers. DOT com

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and we have not been able to find anything publicly

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linking Roger to the incident. Following their call with Ranger Bush,

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there was no new information on Roger or his jeep,

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no credible leads or tips, no successful searches, no new

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financial transactions, and less than a month later, Everett PD

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closed the case inactive, and the case would remain closed

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and cold for seven months. On June twenty second of

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two thousand and six, eight months after Roger was reported missing,

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his nineteen ninety red jeep Cherokee, was found. Hikers from

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a group called the Cascade Climbers found Rogers jeep parked

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at a trailhead in the mountains near Leavenworth, Washington. As

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the report is written, it's unclear if they were actively

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looking for the jeep or stumbled upon it while hiking,

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but the jeep had clearly been parked there through the

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winter and was in the hikers words trashed the Snowhomish

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County Sheriff's Office flew a helicopter to the area and

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they were able to land it near the jeep. Paperwork

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inside confirmed that it was Rogers, and a cursory search

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of the jeep found the following a sleeping bag which

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appeared to have been slept in, a pair of flop

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flops on the floorboard, fishing equipment, a packaged trout, and

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a trail pass dated October twenty seven, two thousand five,

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the same day that Art and his wife believed they

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encountered Rod and his jeep one hundred twenty seven miles

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away in Hyak, Washington. Unfortunately, the report doesn't indicate which

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trail this pass was for, and when we foyed the pass,

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we were notified that it no longer existed, which is

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incredibly unfortunate for several reasons. More on that later, the

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Sheriff's office told Everett Pad that it would likely be

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some time before they were able to do a ground

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search of the area surrounding the jeep due to severe

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weather conditions. Rogers jeep was found parked at the Phelps

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Creek trailhead, about forty five miles north of Leavenworth in

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the Okanagan Wanatche National Forest. According to the U. S.

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Forest Service's website, the roads accessing this trailhead are very

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rough and may not be suitable for low clearance vehicles.

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There are approximately fourteen miles of rough dirt road the

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trail is available only for day hikes, backpacking, and horse riding.

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On July fifteenth of two thousand six, the Shelon County

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Sheriff's Department was able to conduct with Search and Rescue

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a search of the Phelps Creek Trail and its surrounding areas.

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They spent twelve and a half hours on the scene

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searching and found not one single piece of evidence, and

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based on items found in Roger's apartment, there was no

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indication that he had ever researched or planned to climb

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in this area. But there was a lot of important

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information missing from the case files. Where was the day

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pass found in Roger's car?

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Speaker 3: For?

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Speaker 1: How much gas was in his jeep's tank? Were Roger's

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dad's assessments of his finances accurate? Were Rogers driver's license

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and keys ever located? What does packaged trout mean? Was

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it pre packaged and bought in a store or was

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it hand packaged after being caught? Was anything else found

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in the jeep? The Cascade climbers described it as trashed.

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Did that mean externally or internally? And if it meant internally,

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what contributed to it being trashed? As I tried to

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delve further into Roger's life. I went to the Cascade

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Climber's website, which a listener had pointed me toward long ago,

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and there were dozens of posts about Roger and his disappearance,

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including a link to NW hikers dot net. And there,

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as plain as day was a post from a hiker

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who had seen Roger's jeep at the Phelps Creek trailhead

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on July twenty first, just six days after Search and

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Rescue were in the area. It reads, I was at

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Phelps Creek trailhead this past week and saw the red

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jeep Cherokee. I noticed all his gear inside. I think

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it is a crime scene myself. He came back from

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his climb and signed out. Maybe the fish found in

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his car is not his, but belongs to the person

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who might know where he is. Definitely suspicious. I think

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Roger came back at the wrong time, wrong place, and

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with the wrong person. I would consider talking to foreign

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service employees or anyone that is back there during that time.

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I think heads should roll on this. Carr left last

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October and just found out it belonged to Roger.

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Speaker 2: Just not right.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the person who was in charge of the parking

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area should be talked to. The person who posted this

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posted it anonymously, so it's unclear who posted it, what

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their intentions were, or how honest they were being. But

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if there's any shred of honesty to it, it indicates

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that the car sat there for weeks after it was recovered,

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full of Roger's stuff, and that despite gear being found

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in his apartment, Roger had taken gear with him on

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that trip, gear that either made it back to his

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jeep or never left it in the first place. Additionally,

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that the fish found in his car appears to have

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been a fish caught and not bought, which begs a

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lot of questions. With that post were many others honoring, exalting,

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and celebrating Roger, and while he may have retreated from

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his family and high school friends, it's clear that in

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his time away from his family, he made new friends

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in the climbing community. People he climbed with, people who

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were in awe of his skills and experience, people who

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knew him as he was. There are multiple threads devoted

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to Roger, but one is solely in celebration of him

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and his achievements. On it, they posted pictures of his

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summit registers. They shared stories, climbers literally followed in his

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footsteps to celebrate him. The original summit register left by

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Warren Spickard, Duke Watson and party in nineteen fifty eight

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was still there, as it should be. Most surprising to

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us was the fact that the last five ascents were

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made by the late and Great Roger Jones, all solo,

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and the greatest surprise of all was that one of

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them was in the winter up Goodell Creek, and he

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summitted on the second day, after snowshoeing all the way

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up Goodell Creek on day one, absolutely astonishing. The same fall,

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while Roger went missing, I ran into his father, Jim

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Jum on a late season scramble of Corteo. I was solo,

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he was with a partner. We talked of his son's exploits,

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and I could tell there was a lot of worry

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and pain in the strain of his disappearance. I still

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remember Jim's parting words to me, please keep an eye

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out for my son. I still do, maybe more so

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now than I am a father to two boys of

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my own. A partner and I followed on skis the

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approach of one of his vision quest winter Roots, a

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few years after he led the way solo on snowshoes.

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That trip was among the high points of my life.

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It felt like we were stealing something just by completing

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the approach. I never met the man, but given the

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places he chose to go, he must have been a

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remarkable person to have known. True crime Bullshit will return

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next week with the second half of our investigation into

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Roger's disappearance.

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Speaker 3: You know you're left me standing there out of the

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calm of the coldest. I don't believe the world do sing?

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But I can't find the words. Oh, I can't fun

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the words. You goneing other life. I don't believe.

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Speaker 2: I just serve.

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Speaker 3: I could feel, nest me and escape from the world. Man,

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I'm afraid of the world. One day else see Heaven Street.

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I found the one who loves me sleeping. Every one

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was another seat that could feed every soul in me,

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all one by the water and me.

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Speaker 4: Somebody found me here. Somebody held my brother. Somebody saved

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me from Thorold to that.

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Speaker 5: Endy.

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Speaker 3: She called crime ta Andy, she called home, She call

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mec Son. You say, oh, Stan found Onte.

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Speaker 1: This episode was written researched edited and produced by Me

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Your Host Josh Hallmark, with research assistants by Shana Wolensky,

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Michelle Tooker, Kim Kay and Jordan Taylor. This episode was

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made possible by the following Patreon producers Amelia Hancock, Amy

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