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smartphone or tablet, And again, thank you so much for

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your support. We've been talking about the security situation on

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the Charlotte Area transit system known as KATS and this

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comes after last night's Charlotte City Council meeting. I watched it,

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so you didn't have to. You're welcome. They expanded the

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contract that currently exists with private company Professional Police Services.

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This is a corporate security model that KATZ has been

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using for years. Nobody can explain why they use this model,

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but this is the model, and so they're expanding it

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to include the entire rail trail, sidewalks surrounding the transit centers,

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and other areas adjacent to transit properties. PPS Professional Police

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Services say they're now fully staffed up.

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Speaker 1: They are, They're all over the place.

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Speaker 2: But as I went over the last hour, there was

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no explanation as to how they staff, like do they

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target certain hot spots? CATS doesn't have the data on

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crime that was asked for a month ago after the

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murder of twenty three year old Ukrainian refugee Arena Zarutska,

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So they don't have the data. And when asked, you know,

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do you know where the hotspots are? They said basically no,

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we don't have that data yet. We're still compiling it.

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We're trying to comply with all of these demands for

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information from the federal and state lawmakers and regulators. But

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PPS was there last night and they didn't address it either.

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They didn't answer this question because Edwin Peacock, the city

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council city council member, was asking like, how are you

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allocating your resources if you don't know where the crime

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hotspots are? And there was no answer given to that,

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and he didn't follow up on it. He didn't press

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anybody from PPS on it. And maybe we'll get some

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data on that at some point, I don't know. The

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other issue is about the fair skippers or fair evasion.

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I'm going to get into that in a moment. First,

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let me get over here and chat with Tony. Welcome

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to the program.

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Speaker 3: Hey Tony, Hi Pete, how are you well. We've spoken

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a few times in the past, because you know, retired

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law enforcement, I've been following this whole horrendous incident. But

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also this is just really dependent of the amount of

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violence we've seen on cats between the buses and the trains.

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I think you've spoken on it previously, but I am

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just really disturbed by what I've heard from PPS and

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that council. You know, it's great that they fully staff,

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but they don't discuss any type of training that personnel

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have received.

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Speaker 2: They want to hang on Tony. They did say last

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night that they go through all of the same ble

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T training that CMPD does.

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Speaker 3: Then my next question would be to them is what

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happens when they do have an incident that results in

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either an arrest or a transport for a medical evaluation

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or psych evaluation. They referred then that they have to

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contact CMPD to go ahead and do that transport. So

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why have a middle man? Why not just have let

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CMPD handle it and let I Like I said, it's

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very very strange, and it's great that he says he's

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passionate about security. What does that do for keeping people

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safe on these transit trains?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, And what you're asking for is the data

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that supports these decisions, and they didn't have it. And

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this is the concern, right And my understanding is that

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CMPD would be the transporting authority that they would be

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the ones to Now, well, they would take the people

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into custody and bring them to the jail, right, but

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PPS can According to Cagel, the interim CEO of CATS,

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Brett Kagel, he says that PPS does have the authority

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and the ability to make arrests souh, But I don't know, Like,

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I don't think they take them down to the jail.

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I think they can detain somebody, they can arrest them,

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but then they got to probably call in CMPD in

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order to bring them over to the jail to do

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the processing, I believe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The issue too is, you know, there's no real

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simple solution to this problem because there's so many different

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teers through it. Sure, as I've heard you speak out

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previously as well, you have the whole mental health issue

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that is woefully under addressed, and Charlotte and just everywhere

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in the country, and certainly when I started my career

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many years ago, was one of a lot of the

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state run facilities started to close down and they started

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to put these people out in the street. But because

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when they were controlled settings and medicated, they were somewhat control.

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Speaker 1: Yeah they were, Yeah, I mean they were under control.

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Speaker 3: Control is a teller is the word that they that

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times get people upset about it. But yes, you know,

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but once they're outside of those settings, all sorts of

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things happen, and we see the increased level of violence

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that takes place here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they go off their meds. They then have interactions

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with law enforcement. They then end up in jail. They

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end up with a whole bunch of charges against them

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and stuff. They victimize people, and then they end up

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maybe you know after after they like this guy to

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Carlos Brown Junior, you know, he's going to prison and

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like and he destroyed a life and his life is ruined,

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and like, that's not a human. This has not been

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a humane approach to these types of problems, Like this

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idea that oh it's inhumane to keep them in uh

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you know, in a in an institution under an involuntary commitment, right,

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But like, what's the alternative.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, you leave him on the street. Yeah, that's not humane.

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Speaker 3: That can hurt themselves and others. It's it's a huger problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, hey, Tony, I appreciate it, man, Yeah, yeah,

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you too.

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Speaker 1: Take care.

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Speaker 2: There was an interesting study. I mentioned this a little

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while ago about the fair evasion. I'm going to go

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into a couple studies here. But the first thing, and

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I detected a little bit of an accent there on Tony.

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I suspect I might know where he uh he hails

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from where he did his law enforcement. But one of

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the uh, well here you go. Let me start with

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this clip because this is Brett Kagel and he's talking

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about fair evasion. And I'm going to get into the

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stats out of New York City because Kegel brings up

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New York City. Because then the guy that they just

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hired for CATS is former New York I believe he's

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out of the MTA Metropolitan Transit Authority up there New York,

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New Jersey are and he's now in charge of our security.

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He just took the job like four or five months

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ago or something, so I believe it's a newly created

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position too.

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Speaker 1: And so he was asked.

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Speaker 2: They were all asked about like what does the what

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does New York City do about, you know, fair evasion

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and this sort of thing.

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Speaker 4: Fair evasion crime. They have those things too. There was

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just a study.

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Speaker 1: That came by the way, you hear all that. M

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oh yeah, you hear all of that.

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Speaker 2: Those are the Democrat ladies on city council like somehow

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another like this is some sort of justification for what exactly,

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I'm unclear, Like why do you feel like this is

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some level of vindication, Like, oh, yeah, they got crime too,

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that's right, like right, but that doesn't make it okay.

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I don't understand why this is some sort of amen

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moment for you.

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Speaker 1: Again, Brett Kagel, I'm gonna rewrack it.

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Speaker 4: Fair evasion crime, that they have those things too. There

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was just a study that came out that estimated the

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MTA loses a billion dollars a year in fair evasion.

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So again, this is not something that a closed system

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or an authority, a governance structure.

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Speaker 1: Resolves.

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Speaker 4: This is something that transit agencies across the country, of

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all different sizes, of all different governing structures, of all

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different security enforcement structures.

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Speaker 1: We're struggling with this.

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Speaker 4: This is a nationwide thing, and Charlotte is included in that.

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And so I will say, as the manager said, this

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is about how do we provide more resources today. We

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have started that, and we can demonstrate that that we

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have continuously added resources towards security and towards state of

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good repair to the system since twenty twenty two. I

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can speak directly to that since twenty twenty two, and

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will continue to do that because we also acknowledge that

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more can and needs to be done, and we will

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continue that.

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Speaker 2: All right, So what I like to do in this,

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you know, I don't know. Maybe given my roots as

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a reporter, I like to go and find the original

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source material. So I went looking for this stat that

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Brett Kagole mentioned this one billion dollars in losses that

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the New York MTA suffered through fair evasion. So in

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New York City last year twenty twenty four, fair evasion

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costs the MTA about a billion dollars, with fair evasion

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at about fourteen percent, So fourteen percent of people riding

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the subways they were evading the fairs. Subway fair evasion,

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fourteen percent, bus fair evasion forty four percent, forty four percent.

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Almost half of all the bus riders in New York

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are not paying the fares. Recent efforts have led to

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a decrease in fair evasion rates, with subway evasion down

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twenty six percent bus evasion down nine percent. So what

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do the numbers look like for twenty twenty five Through

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the first quarter, it was thirteen point six fair evasion

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on the subway. It's now down to just under ten.

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So they have seen some progress there. Okay, bus fair

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evasion first quarter last year forty eight percent. Now it's

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down to forty four percent. So most of your fair

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evasion is from buses. But it also, by the way,

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includes that one billion dollars. It includes not just the

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subway and not just the buses. It includes commuter rail,

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and it also includes toll roads.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and arrests.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two it went from six hundred and

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fifty five arrests to more than four thousand.

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Speaker 1: This year.

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Speaker 2: They're making way more arrests on their transit system.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: The MTA is implementing modern fare gates at twenty subway

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stations to further reduce evasion and get this a comprehensive

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strategy focusing on education equity, environment and enforcement is being

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adopted to tackle fair evasion effectively. What in the hell

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does equity have to do with fair evasion? You either

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jumped the freaking turnstile or you did not. The color

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of your skin is irrelevant. Equity has nothing to do

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with this.

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: You hear me talk a lot about incentives, Right, Well,

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let's talk about incentive trips, the kind that companies offer

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employees to fire them up and reward their teams. If

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you own a business or you work somewhere that offers

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these incentive trips, first off, good for you, but also

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better returns. So I went over to New York City

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fair evasion stats. They say they lost a billion dollars

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due to subway fair evasion fourteen percent, forty four percent

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bus fair evasion, totaling a billion dollars, also toll road evasion.

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So let's compare to Charlotte. No, no, oh, we can't.

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Oh sorry, because we don't have comparable data for Charlotte. Yeah,

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when you run this through the AI machines to find

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out By the way, you know where they get all

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this information from the AI for the AI chat GBT

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and such, Google, you know where they're getting it from

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Wikipedia and Reddit and those things are infested with leftists anyway.

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The fair evasion statistics out of Charlotte show fewer than

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one hundred tickets were issued every year in twenty twenty

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in twenty twenty one, in twenty twenty two, but this

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number spiked to more than four thousand, seven hundred tickets

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in twenty twenty three when in four increased and now

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it's down to about two thousand. Well, those are tickets issued.

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are actually evading the fares, right because obviously in twenty twenty,

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twenty twenty one, and twenty twenty two you were you

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were not enforcing it for three years, and then in

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twenty twenty three you obviously started enforcing it a little

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bit more and you wrote forty seven hundred tickets. But

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what does that mean, how many people were riding, how

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many people paid? What extrapolate that out? Well, it's the percentages.

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We don't know. You don't have a breakdown light rail

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versus buses, streetcars free anyway. Cats generate seventeen million dollars

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per year in fares, But the tickets issued metric is

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not very instructive because it's not based on total headcounts,

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and we don't have a percentage to actually compare to

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New York City. So when Brett Kagel says to the

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city council, well, you know New York City, you know,

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fair evasion costs them a billion dollars, and everybody's like

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m m oh, yeah, that's right, And it's like, well, right,

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But what's the comparative. I can't make one because you

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don't have the data the results of get this. Here's

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another one for Charlotte. The results of a fair equity

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study are expected by the end of the year. A

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fair equity study. There it is again, equity. We're dealing

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with equity issues in fair collection. No, it doesn't matter.

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None of your demographic data matters to me. What matters

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is did you pay or did you not? That's it.

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That's it. There was a piece at the City Journal

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by Elliot Hamilton a couple of days ago, time for

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a no tolerance policy on transit crime. The only way

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to address the problem is more aggressive enforcement of basic

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subway rules, including prosecuting what he calls fair beating or

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fair skipping. But he calls it fair beating. Subway assaults

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have tripled in New York. Subway assaults tripled since two

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thousand and nine. Violent crime recidivism doubled since twenty nineteen.

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Seventeen percent of violent subway offenders had prior arrests for

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similar crimes during the prior six years. Twenty five percent

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of those same violent subway offenders had prior arrests for

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fair beating in the past six years, so a quarter

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one out of four people that have violent offenses on

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their records over the course of years also have been

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because his defense was that, yes, he was there, Yes

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he had devised this plan to murder the president. Yes

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he had the gun. Yes he did all he did

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all of the things he had been to do, all

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of the things. But he didn't shoot the president. See that,

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It really makes you think, right, No, so he was done.

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He has been convicted. We're talking about the fair evasion

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on Charlotte's light rail line. And by the way, they

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do a much better job of they say, but we

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have no stats to prove this one way or the other.

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They say they do a better job of collecting all

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the fares on the buses, because that's more of a

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controlled access kind of a thing, right where you can

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get on to the bus, but you have to then

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go past the driver, and if you don't pay the

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driver or show your ticket or whatever, then he can

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tell you to get off. So there's a Theoretically, there's

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a lower fair evasion on the buses than there is

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on the sub or on the trains, because the trains

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are just open platforms, open access. There's a little kiosk

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you're supposed to buy a ticket, but it's on your phone.

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It's all virtual, and there's nobody that really comes around

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and checks very often, and so a lot of people

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just ride for free. But the problem is that fair

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evasion sends a message to the criminals. Elliott Hamilton City

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Journal writes about the New York City subway system. Three

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years ago, Eric Adams instituted a safe Subway plan to

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address New Yorkers' anxieties. He says it didn't go far enough.

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Though New York needs zero tolerance for all subway crimes.

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That means that the city's DA's have to resume prosecutions

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for turnstile jumping. In the summer of twenty twenty four,

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former NYPD Commissioner William Bratton and the City Journal contributing

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editor Raphael Mangual called on the city to resume fair

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evasion prosecutions. They also identified some of the central obstacles

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to prosecuting these crimes, namely bail and discovery reforms of

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twenty twenty and the reluctance of district attorneys to prosecute

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fair evasion. I'm not going to go into all of

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the details here. I read through it. It's just asinine

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and they have reversed it now. So beginning last month

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in August, this discover the demand for discovery, which is

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like you've got to turn over all the evidence to

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the defense team, right, But they made it so sweeping

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that like if you forgot or you didn't turn over

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some piece of information from something that was like completely

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unrelated to the crime, then they would get it tossed out.

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So the ADAS then just don't prosecute the cases. So

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he said, some changes have appeared on this front, and

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that's good, but more remains to be done. The New

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York Post reported that sixty three transit recidivists so repeat, repeat, repeat,

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repeat offenders. Here sixty three individuals in New York City

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account for more than five thousand arrests. Sixty three people,

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five thousand arrests, but only five incarcerations between them, five

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thousand arrests and five incarcerations. That's zero point one percent.

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The Metropolitan Transit Authority MTA has called for DA offices

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to resume prosecutions for fair evasion, citing the loss of

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more than six hundred million dollars in revenue in twenty

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twenty three, which is a good start. Boston has also

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begun to crack down on fair evasion right zero crime

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should be tolerated on the transit systems. Zero you want

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like a zero tolerance. You want to try whatever you

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want to try with your different policing, criminal justice, defund

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the police crap. You do it outside of the transit systems.

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People are in a tube, they are in a vehicle.

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They are held captive. They are not allowed to arm

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themselves because of your stupid rules, and so you have

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a captive audience aka victims.

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Speaker 1: Let me see here.

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Speaker 2: This is from the Transportation Research Interdisciplinary Perspectives Journal, published

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in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: No research.

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Speaker 2: This is a piece evaluating fair evasion risk in bust

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transit networks. No research quantified the risk of fair evasion.

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The objective of this study is the introduction of a framework. Okay,

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they say inspections positively impact the revenues projection or sorry,

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revenue protection and the reduction of aggressive behavior in vandalism.

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So More inspections equals more money equals less evasion. Less

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aggressive behavior equals less vandalism. Asking people for their tickets works.

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The literature on deterrence has stressed the potential offenders pay

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greater attention to the certainty of being caught than to

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the severity of the punishment if caught. Moreover, a suitable

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level of inspection can decrease criminal issues and increase the

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security of passengers.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Without inspections, it's impossible to know the true level of

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fair evasion. And that's where we are now in Charlotte.

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This is an emerging research area and the determination of

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rigorous solutions is a challenging issue. This study improves the

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current knowledge on fair evasion by introducing a new metric

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for evaluating fair evasion and the fair evasion risk. So

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the idea here is they created this framework to say

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we're looking at these different factors, and we can tell

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you that this particular line, this particular leg of a

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route or route depending on what part of the country

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you're from, like this is going to have a higher risk.

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Speaker 1: These are other factors.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you have an open platform, you're going to have

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higher increase and they give a formula and they do

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all of the research and stuff. So they're hoping that

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this can now be built into plans by these planners

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right to assess, to assess how much fair evasion you

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can expect on your build. I'd be curious to know

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if we ran our system, put our numbers into this formula,

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what would it look like.

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Speaker 1: Probably not good. Probably not good.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned in the last segment, the man charged

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with trying to assassinate Donald Trump while he was playing

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golf at mar A Lago, Ryan Ruth, has been found

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guilty on all charges in a Florida courtroom. According to

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Fox News, sheriff's deputies then had to stop him from

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attempting to stab himself after the verdict was read, I

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don't have any other information except that I don't know

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if it was with like a pen or something, or

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a pencil, but he apparently attempted to stab himself, but

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he was prevented from doing so. Eric says it sounds

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like if New York would just lock up the thin

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fifty three people after their I don't know, fiftieth arrest,

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that would greatly reduce the prosecutorial caseload. They could be

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even more efficient if they did so after their third strike.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Once again, this is not a new problem. Former WBT

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host Keith Larson used to talk about this all the time,

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the repeat offenders. It is a small percentage of or

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a small number of individuals that are known to law enforcement.

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They are known to the court system, and they are

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the frequent flyers. They are in there all the time.

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they're different people in different crime categories. When it comes

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to you know, public new since and that sort of thing,

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you know, causing trouble on the buses and stuff, there

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are a very small number of people that are creating

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the largest workload. So if you get them out of

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the equation, the case loads then become much lighter, but

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there has to be a desire to do so. Eric

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went on to say that we should have a minimum

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number of rules, but the ones we have should be

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enforced correct. If we're not going to enforce these laws,

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then get rid of them. There is no point in

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having the laws if you're not going to enforce them.

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Russ says, why is it so hard for them to

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connect fair evasion with increased crime? It's basic economics. If

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you reduce the cost of a desirable item, more people

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will try to get that item. In this case, the

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desirable item is a captive population that is largely guaranteed

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to be unarmed. If criminals and the mentally unstable can

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get access to that for free, of course there will

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be more of it. And as far as New York

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City is concerned, losing a billion dollars per year and

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you can't do anything to stop it, well, then shut

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it all down or spend millions more on enforcement and

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recoup a lot more.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: This is the other thing is that if you're going

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if you're losing massive amounts of money due to fair evasion,

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what is the breakpoint? How much do you have to

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spend for you to get back more of your money,

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for you to collect the revenue that you're not collecting now.

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And what came out last night at the Charlotte City

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Council meeting, Council Member Lawana Slack Mayfield mentioned that she

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has been apparently in constant discussions with cats over the

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years to try to make public transit free quote unquote free.

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I mean it's going to cost us more money. Property

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tax payers is going to cost us more money. But

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the idea is just don't collect any fares. And I

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will tell you they tried that in Ashville when I

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was living and working up in Ashville, and they attempted that,

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and the buses became rolling homeless shelters because of course

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it would, because to US's point, it's basic economics. Allen says,

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fair equity comments by Democrats all goes back to the

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mayor's initial statement, where is the concern victim or villain

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Stan says, mass transit has become what it was designed

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to be from the very beginning. Transportation for the quote

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oppressed funded by the quote oppressors. The only reason there

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is still a fair listed is to disguise the true intent.

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Speaker 1: Well that may be true.

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Speaker 2: All right, that'll do it for this episode.

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thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything

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