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Take a break 11 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:36.840 from screen time and settle in every week with the 12 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:39.920 megadosup wrestling news and analysis. With a Pro Wrestling Torch 13 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:43.240 Newsletter paper Copy edition. In the year twenty twenty two, 14 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:46.280 you can get a full year of home delivery for 15 00:00:46.439 --> 00:00:49.479 just ninety nine dollars, or try us for an eight 16 00:00:49.479 --> 00:01:04.560 week trial subscription. PW torch dot Com Slash Paper Copy. 17 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:10.079 Now PW Torch and Spreaker bring you the Wade Keller 18 00:01:10.159 --> 00:01:16.799 Pro Wrestling Podcast. This is PW Torch editor Wade Keller 19 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:19.799 with quick introduction to today's double header. Fifteen years ago 20 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:23.879 flashback here on the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast. First up, 21 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:28.040 the June eighteenth, twenty ten PW Torch live cast with 22 00:01:28.239 --> 00:01:31.439 James Caldwell from PW Torch and also PW Torch nostalgia 23 00:01:31.480 --> 00:01:34.640 specialist Brian Hoops, talking with live callers about t and 24 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:37.000 impact from the night before the Big j Lethal and 25 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:39.920 Ric Flair, Angle Tena's build up to a four way 26 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:42.319 match at the next pay per view compared to WWE's 27 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:45.359 build for their Fatal four Way, John Cena's almost comical 28 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:48.879 comments and media interviews, why Sena is endorsing Brian Danielson 29 00:01:48.879 --> 00:01:52.120 and why he did not endorse mister Anderson in wwe 30 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:54.799 possible plans for the Money of the Bank pay per 31 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:59.760 view involving NXT rookies, Will John Cena and Jack Swager 32 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:03.239 have lengthy title runs, is TNA discipline enough to stretch 33 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:07.680 out Kurt Angle's Number one quest? And much more? And 34 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:12.039 then in the previously VP exclusive after show, they discussed 35 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:14.919 the four Way pay per view and whether it's worth 36 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:19.159 ordering Batisa's potential MMA transition, Grizzly Smith, the Pro Wrestling 37 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:23.479 Hall of Fame, and also scoop on an upcoming nostalgia 38 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:26.560 podcast interview with Brian Hoops. Then, on the June twenty first, 39 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:29.199 twenty ten episode, James Calden was joined by Greg Parks 40 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:32.039 and they talked with live callers about the previous night's 41 00:02:32.240 --> 00:02:35.319 Fatal Four Way pay per view. The major angles from 42 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:38.120 that pay per view covered, including Ray Mysterio's world title victory, 43 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:43.120 Seamus's title win, WWE hot shotting title changes, another conversation 44 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:46.639 about Jack Swager's future and upside, the NXT invasion angle 45 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:48.199 on the pay per view, and the follow up on 46 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:52.639 raw backstage politics in WWE, the ROH Internet pay per view, 47 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:55.000 and more. So, Let's get to it. This is the 48 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:58.560 Way Keller prog Wrestling Podcast fifteen years ago, doubleheader Flashback 49 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:00.280 four Monday June. 50 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:10.919 No. You are listening to the PW Torch Live Cast. 51 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:15.319 I am PW Torch Assistant Editor James Caldwell hosting today 52 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:19.520 and I'm joined by Torch Nostalgia specialist Brian Hoops on 53 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:22.080 a fine Friday afternoon. Brian, how are you doing today? 54 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:22.840 Hey? 55 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:26.080 I'm doing real good. How are you? James doing well? 56 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:30.560 Been up early, watched the World Cup, been covering tons 57 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:33.520 of news this week. Seriously before Kevin the are i 58 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:37.080 mentioned this to you that it feels like almost Wrestlednia 59 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:40.280 week in certain respect because Ring of Honor has a 60 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:43.240 pay per view this weekend. WNWE has a pay per view. 61 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:47.120 TNA has been in the news. It feels like every 62 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:50.120 time I cover a new interview, another interview comes up, 63 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:53.360 and there's no shortage of topics this week. It's been very, 64 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:57.400 very busy. But what's kind of been your standout story 65 00:03:57.400 --> 00:03:59.919 of the week is wv T and a Ring of 66 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:02.039 un or something else. What's kind of in that top 67 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:03.080 story for you this week? 68 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:06.479 Well, like you said, there's there's no shortage of news 69 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:08.520 this week, there's you know, tons of things going on. 70 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:11.159 CNA came off of a a pay per view event 71 00:04:11.319 --> 00:04:14.639 and they followed up with some TV shows last night 72 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:17.399 that you know, kind of like the same week, the 73 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:20.519 same show the week before, some good, some bad. 74 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:21.360 Uh. 75 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:24.360 You know, You've got seen and talking a lot about 76 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:29.319 his top five angles and wrestling history, and Shame is 77 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:32.399 making an interview. You've got Okay, I guess all kinds 78 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:34.199 of things to talk about. Like you said, there's tons 79 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:38.680 of interviews with people out there. UFC events coming up 80 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:41.399 this weekend. Ringer Honor has a pay per view. I 81 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:44.560 think WWE has pay per views, so the Biggie Weekend 82 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:45.120 as well. 83 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:50.000 Right, And what's been such a such I guess fun 84 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:53.639 and also uh thinking your head would explode at times. 85 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:56.720 Is covering John Zena's PR interviews. I mean just some 86 00:04:56.759 --> 00:04:59.680 of the the quotes he throws out there, and I 87 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:04.240 should some of it. It's just funny to cover. And 88 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:07.240 you had a line today about comparing Seamus to the 89 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:09.759 Stone Cold Steve Austin and with the whole idea that 90 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:13.040 Seamus the first started into the scene like Austin, and 91 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:17.800 it's like, no, Austin completely changed the entire period of 92 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:20.839 business when he burst and under the scene, and Mad's 93 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:23.360 such a big splash during the Attitude era when he 94 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:26.079 transformed the Stone Cold. Seamus is just sort of a 95 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:30.240 big player who's been inserted into some man event matches 96 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:32.720 and had a brief title run. But no, they don't 97 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:36.279 even try to compare Seamus the Stone Cold. But what 98 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:39.399 was your take when you read that quote from Ceda 99 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:43.439 today just name dropping Steve Austin in the same sentence 100 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:44.720 as Seamus. 101 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:47.240 Yeah, you know, it's just mind boggling that he came 102 00:05:47.319 --> 00:05:49.399 up with that type of a comparison. You know, Austin 103 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:54.279 was in the business in WCW for four years before 104 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:58.399 he went to WWF, even after he was in WWS 105 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:01.839 from ninety five and Winner all the way till ninety 106 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:03.560 six King of the Ring, so it was a good 107 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:05.879 six months before he had any type of a real push. 108 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:09.040 You know, fans remember he was the ring master first 109 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:12.040 before he was Stone Cold Steve Austin. They paired up 110 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:14.800 with Ted Dibiassi and Debiossi did all the speaking for him. 111 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:17.680 They didn't let Stone Cold speak at all. And so 112 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:21.040 you know, there's really no correlation between a guy like 113 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:23.360 Steve Austin and Seamus as far as the way they've 114 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:27.399 been pushed. Their personalities are completely different. Their impact so 115 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:31.160 far on the business in the industry again completely different. 116 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:34.120 So it's just a comment that's made out of completely 117 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:37.160 out of left field. And you know, and he's seen 118 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:41.279 I'm talking about now, has had a history of doing that. 119 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:45.519 You know, if you remember some comments he made when 120 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:49.439 the ben Was scandal broke about three years ago. He 121 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:51.399 was one of the people that they've sent on Larry 122 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:53.240 King and some of the other shows, and some of 123 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:56.120 the things he said then was just eyebrow raising, and 124 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:59.360 he's continued that it seems like if he doesn't have 125 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:03.199 everything scripted out for him, uh, he's he's having a 126 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:05.639 hard time thinking on his own feet and coming up 127 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:08.720 with his own responses in these interview settings. 128 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:10.879 The sounds that win the man. 129 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:16.279 I mean, if if McMahon isn't prompted and isn't coached 130 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:20.639 on what to say in interviews or promotional campaign speeches, 131 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:22.920 she usually says something that gets her in trouble. And 132 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:26.399 look at that Business Week interview McMahon did I guess 133 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:29.240 that threaded a couple of weeks ago and talking about steroids, 134 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:32.720 and then her campaign manager had to come back and 135 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:35.439 kind of clean up that mess you got seen out here. 136 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:39.519 When he's not really coached or prepared, or if he's 137 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:41.600 just even if he has coached and prepared, he'll just 138 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:45.000 say he'll say something completely off the wall, and then 139 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:48.040 it kind of fits w e and kinda Wade Keller 140 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:50.639 wrote about today with their their corporate manual on how 141 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:54.639 to handle mainstream PR interviews and some of the things 142 00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:57.160 that are set are just so off the wall. See 143 00:07:57.279 --> 00:08:00.879 it being the top guy in that category. And Seamus 144 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:04.040 as has said some really off the wall comments as well, 145 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:06.560 not only off the wall, but just sort of company, 146 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:08.759 you know, towing that company line promote to that four 147 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:11.399 way pay per view on Sunday with you know, the 148 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:16.319 whole anything could happen tagline, and it's just it's it's 149 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:19.360 just so laughable sometimes reading what people say, and it 150 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:21.240 just I don't know, I don't know what to make 151 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:24.959 of it. But but well, what do you make of 152 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:27.480 the pay per view on Sunday? Brian? You've got four 153 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:30.600 matches official. Another match will be announced on smack goun 154 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:34.399 a very light lineup in terms of the number of matches, uh, 155 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:38.360 five matches total after tonight your headline matches with the 156 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:42.559 ww title Johnson to defending world title, Jack Slagger defending. 157 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:46.039 They're trying to incorporate those NX two rookies into an 158 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:51.039 angle to perhaps influence some buys that anything could happen 159 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:53.600 on this pay per view. I don't really buy that 160 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:56.039 that's gonna work. But what's your take on the pay 161 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:57.840 per view hype and the pay per view itself with 162 00:08:57.879 --> 00:08:58.440 that lineup? 163 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:01.360 You know, I I think they did a really poor 164 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:04.320 job on Raw on Monday Night of hyping this pay 165 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:06.679 per view and making it feel like there is a 166 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:09.879 special event coming up. I looked for this by rate 167 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:12.519 of this pay per view to do real poorly. Last 168 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:15.840 month's pay per view I think did the third lowest 169 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:18.960 by rate in the last four or five years, from 170 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:22.440 you know, trailing the Cyber Sunday I think two thousand 171 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:25.879 and six and also the December to Remember show that 172 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:29.120 was kind of an ECW promotion. You know, you're you're 173 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:32.879 probably gonna take this this pay per view by even 174 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:35.679 lower than last month. The only good thing for for 175 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:40.279 WW is this the Spike or the UFC special is 176 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:42.399 on Spike on Saturday night, and it's not a pay 177 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:44.200 per view event, so there isn't you know, there's a 178 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:47.039 little competition, but not something that somebody has to pay for, 179 00:09:47.519 --> 00:09:50.320 so they're gonna, you know, create can take a little 180 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:53.799 solace in that effect. But I don't look for this 181 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:55.919 pay per view to do real well. You know, the 182 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:59.559 fans have seen fall Away before, so that's nothing that's 183 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:00.440 gonna stand out. 184 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:02.000 It seems like to me. 185 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:06.759 That they've made this four way just you know, a 186 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:09.919 pay per view event, and that's the only reason that 187 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:11.679 you would watch it is for the if you like 188 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:13.679 four way matches, that that's what you want by it. 189 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:16.519 There doesn't seem to be that general feeling to me 190 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:19.559 anyway that there's a legitimate grudge that needs to be 191 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:21.840 settled here and you're certainly not going to do it 192 00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:23.399 with a four way match in set up a one 193 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:24.519 on one encounter. 194 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:28.200 Right There isn't that that organic reason for this pay 195 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:30.639 per view. It's it We'll have talked about this before 196 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:34.120 in the line cast that if they set it up 197 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:38.080 where three three contenders had a rightful claim to that 198 00:10:38.120 --> 00:10:40.840 title was Seamus and Edge and Orton, then yeah, maybe 199 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:42.360 there is a reason that have a four way pay 200 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:45.120 per view. And if there were there were, if Sampunk, 201 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:48.360 Big Show and Raymond Seio had rightful claims to the 202 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:51.039 World Everyway title, then yeah, maybe there's a reason for 203 00:10:51.080 --> 00:10:53.200 a four why pay per view. But they didn't go 204 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:56.159 that route and as a result, these matches are occurring 205 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:59.799 without it, without a real reason for recurring. It's just 206 00:10:59.799 --> 00:11:02.879 the sort of marketing idea that WW has come up 207 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:06.440 with without really thinking about does this make sense? Is 208 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:08.519 there a reason for customers that want to order this 209 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:10.759 pay per view to see an issue settled or a 210 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:12.879 drudge resolved, and there isn't that reason. 211 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:15.440 I think the CM Punk Raymon. 212 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:19.919 Serial feud is has been hurt the most because of 213 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:21.600 this pay per view. Just have any of the views 214 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:24.519 going on ran on an edge. There are a few 215 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:27.320 kind of hopefully they kind of died down at that 216 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:30.120 last pay per view when they had the non finished 217 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:33.200 but ryand Punk had a high issue, and now they've 218 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:36.159 been inserted into this four way match, and that the 219 00:11:36.279 --> 00:11:39.080 issue that Fews kind of died not now died down, 220 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:43.120 lost a lot of steam, and I just I really disagree. 221 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:47.519 Excuse me, I disagree with the direction of these gimmick 222 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:51.799 concept pay per views. It doesn't help or enhance the storylines, 223 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:54.559 it doesn't sell pay per views based on was one 224 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.360 on one matchups that traditionally sells pay per views. So 225 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:02.159 what we have are two title matches that you know 226 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:05.320 could be reasonably good, but are many people gonna be 227 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:05.799 watching it? 228 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:06.440 Probably not. 229 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:10.200 It's just sort of that environment w is is in, right. 230 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:14.440 They're in between Russellmania, they're in between summerste and sure 231 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:17.559 Russellmania SummerSlam, and they're trying to find ways to make 232 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:19.960 money with these pay per views, but it's not working 233 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:21.159 and I think we're gonna. 234 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.919 See that again on Sundays, so, you know, I think CNA. 235 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:29.279 You know, it's interesting they kind of copied the next 236 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:31.440 pay per view format. I think it's Victory Road. They're 237 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:34.000 going to have a four way match for the title 238 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:36.679 as well, just like WWE is. But I think they 239 00:12:36.759 --> 00:12:39.720 actually did a little bit better job in creating an 240 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:42.840 environment why they're having a four way Not that I 241 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:47.240 think it's a great situation that they've created here, but 242 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:51.360 last night on Impact, they had three top contenders going 243 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:54.320 for the right to challenge Rout Van Damn, a triple 244 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:57.279 count out, no winner until all three of those guys 245 00:12:57.320 --> 00:12:58.080 get a title shot. 246 00:12:58.159 --> 00:12:58.879 No, I don't. 247 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:02.039 I'm not really hundred percent behind that idea. There's a 248 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:04.240 lot of logic holes in there that they left, but 249 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:07.679 at least they tried to create a reason that all 250 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:10.399 three of those guys are coming into face Route Van 251 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:14.440 dam and have earned the rights with ww You know, 252 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:17.320 why is this? Why are we having one on SmackDown 253 00:13:17.399 --> 00:13:20.039 and on Raw? It's obviously just because of the gimmick 254 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:23.000 pay per view, and it's not because of any major 255 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:26.360 grudge or or anything else that needs to be settled. 256 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:29.159 It's not an emotional issue, and I think that'll translate 257 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:31.960 into the bands and you know, maybe your hardcores will 258 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:34.039 buy it. A lot of people could skip over this 259 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:34.679 pay per view. 260 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:37.879 Hey, you make a good point on TNA. I thought 261 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:41.080 they did something's pretty well last I don't know, they 262 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:43.919 did somethings really poorly. But one of the things, like 263 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:47.519 you just said, is they created the background, the backdrop, 264 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:50.600 the foundation for the next pay per view main event 265 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:53.080 with three guys having a rightful claim to the title, 266 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:55.759 or at least a rightful claim to challenge for the title. 267 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:57.720 And it will see how it plays out and we'll 268 00:13:57.720 --> 00:14:00.080 see how that issue develops the next three weeks to 269 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:01.799 TV leading the pay per view. But you make a 270 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:04.039 really good point, Brian, that you know that at least 271 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:07.399 they created something where there's a reason for a four 272 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:10.720 way match. I don't like this idea of a triple 273 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:15.000 count out. That's just it just reeks of Vince Russo booking. 274 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:20.720 But at least the the the end result is yes, 275 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:23.919 there's a reason for a four way didn't create any 276 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:27.399 reason for either of their four way matches on Sunday's 277 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:29.360 pay per view, and I think that's gonna hurt buys. 278 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:32.080 No matter how they try to sell this is anything 279 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:34.600 could happen, and Terry Lawler can repeat that line over 280 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:37.840 and over again. It's just Yeah, I think people see 281 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:40.320 through that this is kind of a skippable pay per view. 282 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:44.000 So yeah, yeah, I do too, And I don't really 283 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:47.080 love this concept and I don't like na how they 284 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:49.840 you know, I don't like that logic either, as far 285 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:51.799 as just giving. You know, nobody won the match, so 286 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:54.080 all three guys to get a title shot. There's there's 287 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.480 some logic goals there, but at least they made a 288 00:14:56.639 --> 00:15:00.200 conscience effort for a reason that three guys were in there. 289 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:01.440 I don't agree. 290 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:03.000 With that, are like it, but there I'll give them 291 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:05.480 credit for at least making it an effort to try 292 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:06.879 and build some storyline. 293 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:07.759 Right. 294 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:12.399 You can support us on Patreon and get these shows 295 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:15.279 with ads and plugs remove, the Weight Keller Prosing podcast, 296 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:18.159 Weight Keller Prosing post shows and the PW Torch daily 297 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:21.240 cast throughout the week with ads and plugs remove, plus 298 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:24.720 a few bonus VIP shows throughout the month for just 299 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:26.799 four dollars and ninety nine cents a month. 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Number 310 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:02.879 to call it six four, six seven. 311 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:04.720 Eight. 312 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:07.519 Let's go to our first caller today. This is the 313 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:09.919 two NY one area code, which I was Houston. So 314 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:12.960 joy one, welcome to the Show's teach your name for us. 315 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:16.639 All right, this is JAD Houston. How you guys doing today? 316 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:17.120 Good? 317 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:18.679 Are you doing there? 318 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:19.919 I'm doing great. 319 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:22.559 I have a question about John Cena. 320 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:27.200 All right, what you got? Okay, As you guys. 321 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:29.080 Were just talking about earlier, John Cena has been doing 322 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:32.879 these interviews and he's been talking about the young guys 323 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:38.039 getting their opportunity to shine. And my opinion is when 324 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:41.600 Kennedy got released last year, John Sena didn't say anything, 325 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:45.080 he didn't come to his defense, and as we all know, 326 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:49.279 Kennedy clearly had more upside than the other guys. And 327 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:51.519 I was listening to the show yesterday and you all 328 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:55.399 were talking about them having the always having the two 329 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:58.360 top guys, whether it was Brent and Sean or Rock 330 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:02.480 in Austin, and and as far as microphone skills, I 331 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:06.640 saw Kennedy being that perfect rival to seen it as 332 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:10.039 far as having microphone skills and that upside to be 333 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:13.599 that megastar. Do you think that there was any just 334 00:17:13.720 --> 00:17:18.240 see or insecurities on seeing this part that may have 335 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:21.920 prevented him speaking up for Kennedy or what's your opinion 336 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:22.160 on that? 337 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:25.079 That's a that's a good question, Jay Brian, what's your 338 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:29.279 what's your on Kennedy and that praps his interactions with 339 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:31.440 Sena before Kennedy with the TNA. 340 00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:34.799 Well, I think you're making a good question there. I 341 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:38.240 think there's a little bit different of opinion here from 342 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:41.119 the standpoint of Vince McMahon. You know, Sena's not dumb 343 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:45.640 by any such imagination. You know, he McMahon really soured 344 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:48.720 on Kennedy when he was released and for Cena to 345 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:51.519 go against the Green and call out McMahon and say 346 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:54.200 that Kennedy shouldn't have been released or should have should 347 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:57.400 have stuck around. I think would have, you know, rubbed 348 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:01.279 McMahon the wrong way. And I don't think mcmhon has 349 00:18:01.319 --> 00:18:03.519 soured on Brian Danielson at all at this point. I 350 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:05.039 think he wants to bring him back, and I fully 351 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:07.000 expect that he will be brought back. I think Seene 352 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:10.160 at this point is saying something about Brian Danielson because 353 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:12.160 he knows he's going to come back and he wants 354 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:16.799 to show his support for him versus mister Kennedy. He 355 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:19.400 knew he wasn't going to be brought back. Everyone had 356 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:22.559 soured on him in the locker room, especially Randy Orton 357 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:25.440 and Vince McMahon has really given up on him. So 358 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:28.240 at that point, you know, it wasn't worth, you know, 359 00:18:28.359 --> 00:18:30.079 seeing us saying anything. So I don't know if there's 360 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:33.000 a personal animosity between the two or any jealousy. I 361 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:35.319 just think, you know, Sena saw it as a loss 362 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:38.359 cause to say anything about Kennedy and sees that Brian 363 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:41.039 Danielson's coming back and going to be a star. At 364 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:42.920 some point in the in the WWE. 365 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:50.119 Okay with that name said, do you think Kennedy would 366 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:51.680 ever come back to the WWE? 367 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:55.559 Uh? Yeah, I mean down the road, I could very 368 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:58.240 well have seen him going back to w W. It's 369 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:01.920 kind of it's almost the same thing where at kind 370 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:04.119 of parallel it to Matt Morgan. Now, Morgan was in 371 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:07.160 w B, he was underutilized, they settled him with that 372 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:11.160 stuttering gimmick. He went to TNA. He struggled his first 373 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:14.240 couple of years in TNA, just couldn't find himself as 374 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:17.559 a character. And now he's doing great heel work and 375 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:20.599 I'm sure he'll end up on ww's radar. Same with 376 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:23.920 Kennedy or Anderson, who he came to TNA. He got over, 377 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:27.240 he developed his personality, that's over with that audience, and 378 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:31.440 eventually I'm sure he'll be back on ww's radar. It 379 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:33.799 might take a couple of years or I mean, obviously 380 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:37.200 depends on whether Anderson sees TNA is a long term 381 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:41.319 option for his career in wrestling. But I imagine that 382 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:44.319 if if WW got a better sense of him, and 383 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:48.440 if Anderson seemed, I guess maybe willing to make some 384 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:51.440 adjustments on his end to send into that WW environment. 385 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:54.079 But yeah, I could see him going back down the 386 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:55.799 road some you know, a couple of three, four or 387 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:58.519 five years from now. I mean, if you last that 388 00:19:58.599 --> 00:20:00.839 long and he stayed that long the wrestling, that doesn't 389 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:03.799 go off and do acting full time. But Briant, what's 390 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:06.119 your sense of whether you see Anderson back in WWE 391 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:07.279 in the future. 392 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:09.759 Well, I think at some point he'll be back. You know, 393 00:20:09.880 --> 00:20:13.440 you never seen everet wrestling, and there's almost everybody that's 394 00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:16.720 left WWE at some point has come back. And again, 395 00:20:16.759 --> 00:20:21.160 I certainly could see mister Anderson coming back to WW 396 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:23.440 at some point, you know. And I think your analogy 397 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:26.200 about Matt Morgan is real good here. He's He's a 398 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:28.759 guy that also is probably on their radar. He's got 399 00:20:28.839 --> 00:20:31.319 great size, He's really improved his game and kind of 400 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:33.440 found his own character. He's a guy that could be 401 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:35.839 brought back as well some point down the road. 402 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:39.519 Jay, and the other question or follow. 403 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:42.960 Up, yes, one more sure do you want to know 404 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:46.960 when thema Jones contract is up and if WW has 405 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:48.119 any interest in him? 406 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:52.839 In vice Presia Samoa Joe's contract said, I'm sure I 407 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.359 remember the last time he signed a deal with T 408 00:20:56.480 --> 00:20:58.640 and A. I don't remember off the top of my head. 409 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:02.799 W B. I mean he doesn't fit their body type. 410 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:05.680 He doesn't fit their sort of their style there may 411 00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:10.519 event style wrestling. He's not the typical athlete. He's not 412 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:14.799 a Zach Ryder John Morrison type body. Brian, what's your 413 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:17.759 sense of whether show would go to w B and 414 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:20.279 W would take him? And do you know anything more 415 00:21:20.279 --> 00:21:22.079 about his his TNA contract status. 416 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:25.680 I could be wrong, but I think he signed about 417 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:27.960 eighteen months ago. But I may be way off on that, 418 00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:30.799 but I think that's pretty close and I don't have 419 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:35.680 any idea how long his contract was for. You're right, 420 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:37.759 he doesn't have a right body type, he doesn't write, 421 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:42.079 work the right style. There isn't anything real appealing about 422 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:44.960 where he is for the w W brand. You know, 423 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:47.759 they want these guys that are, you know, more of 424 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:53.240 a select body type and a certain working style for 425 00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:55.680 their house shows, for the merchandise, for their pay per 426 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:57.880 views and TV. Everything's pretty much the same kind of 427 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:01.000 a cookie cutter and smaller Joe doesn't sit in that mold. Now, 428 00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:03.519 if you back the old territorial days, that would be 429 00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:07.319 a huge asset for Somolo Joe, you know, because something 430 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:10.079 different that stood out that would make him stand out mate, 431 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:11.319 would make him in an attraction. 432 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:12.119 Uh. 433 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:14.359 You know, so he may be better fit for TNA 434 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:16.640 if he can get the right push, because as bad 435 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:19.359 as he's been pushed over the last twelve months, the 436 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:22.279 crowd is still really behind him and would even get 437 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:24.000 behind him more with the right. 438 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:24.920 Push at those times. 439 00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:30.160 Let's continue on to the Uh, let's go to ninety 440 00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:33.000 five one area code nine five to one. Welcome to 441 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:38.000 the show, please station and know where you're from. Hello, 442 00:22:38.519 --> 00:22:40.279 nine one five Are you're on the air with us? 443 00:22:40.599 --> 00:22:40.799 Oh? 444 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:43.799 Oh man, I must have said ninety I'm at nine 445 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:44.200 one five. 446 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:44.599 Go ahead. 447 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:49.200 Hey, thanks for taking my call. I'm just curious, how 448 00:22:49.279 --> 00:22:52.799 do you guys like watch watch the shows? He watched 449 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:54.960 them live with the d v R, because I find 450 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:56.160 it unlogical live. 451 00:22:57.039 --> 00:22:59.880 I'm curious I watch if. 452 00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:02.920 I watched the wrestling show, I typinalely watch it live. 453 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:05.559 I mean, I'll watch SmackDown that to the fact, I'll 454 00:23:05.599 --> 00:23:09.000 watch that it kind of fast forward to the commercials 455 00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:14.160 on SmackDown, but Raw Live, NXT Live, Impact Live unless 456 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:16.359 I watched that after the fact and go through commercials, 457 00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:18.920 but that's part of our job. Our job is to 458 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:21.720 watch every part of that show and analyze what work, 459 00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:25.200 what didn't work, and convey whether this is worth your 460 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:28.319 time watching the show to our readers. So, right, how 461 00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:29.759 do you watch wrestling on TV? 462 00:23:31.640 --> 00:23:34.279 Raw is about the only thing that I would watch live. 463 00:23:34.519 --> 00:23:37.440 Everything else is on some sort of a tape delay 464 00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:40.880 so that I can fast forward through the commercials or 465 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:44.119 rewind something that. You know, if there's some part that 466 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:47.039 I missed that and I can't understand why they're doing something, 467 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:48.920 I need to go back and try and figure it out. 468 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:52.279 So almost everything is for me anyway on some sort 469 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:55.279 of a delay, except that if I watch RAW, it'll 470 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:57.680 be on live. But for the last two weeks for me, 471 00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:00.599 it's been But this is terrible. It's turn the channel 472 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:01.759 line jumping better to watch? 473 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:06.359 Yeah, especially the viewers choice RAW two weeks ago. That 474 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:08.920 was I mean, it's bad. That was hard to sit 475 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:12.519 through just covering it watching it live. So if you 476 00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:14.400 were watching it to the fact and yeah, three hours 477 00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:17.319 of that was, I'm eventually with two hours and fifty 478 00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:21.599 minutes of crap and maybe question whether I'm watching a 479 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:26.640 wrestling show or some abortion of an entertainment product and 480 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:28.480 then they at an XT angle. I mean there were 481 00:24:28.759 --> 00:24:30.759 there was a point in that Viewers Choice Raw where 482 00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:33.720 I was tending to email Wade and say, what what 483 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:36.119 are we covering? Are we even covering the wrestling show? 484 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:38.720 Are we covering a really bad two and a half 485 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:41.799 hour in XT I mean started in life? Skinned you 486 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:44.000 know something that would even they would even make past 487 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:49.000 the dress rehearsals. But that only eighteen garbage nonsense. So yeah, 488 00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:50.960 there are times when it's difficult, but yeah, that's our job. 489 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:53.720 Our job is to watch that show and and watch 490 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:56.960 every show and cover it as if it's the you know, 491 00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:00.000 a show that everyone If you figure that everyone wants, 492 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:02.160 you're not showing us some interest in somewhere or another. 493 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:06.359 One segment might pique someone's interest more than it was 494 00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:09.680 somebody else. So that's our job as a cover and 495 00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:12.440 see what works, what doesn't work, and evaluate that product. 496 00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:16.440 So we have to watch everything forward. Did you did 497 00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:20.119 you have another follow up another question on that? Yeah? 498 00:25:20.359 --> 00:25:22.480 Yes, because I don't want to say, like you guys 499 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:25.480 that like cynical or ass gated professionals because you have 500 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:28.799 to watch it, But did you like I'm that rare guy. 501 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:31.839 I like the TNA products better than w W, so 502 00:25:31.960 --> 00:25:34.759 I know that makes me a you know, ray or strange. 503 00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:40.039 But my did you out loud with just the flat 504 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:42.440 out loud where you know, with the Rick Flair did 505 00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:44.119 they need to do that data part? 506 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:50.559 Oh yeah, that's great. Yeah, go ahead and talk about that. 507 00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:52.160 I have my own take on that. What's your what's 508 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:54.680 your take on that angle? You know? 509 00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:55.200 Uh? 510 00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:58.559 I know Reck Flair behind the scenes really loved Jay 511 00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:00.920 Leeth for doing the impression, and you at ce Flarics 512 00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:04.599 last night, even with some edits that you could see 513 00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:06.559 how much he was enjoying it in a space he's 514 00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:08.759 having enough tough time trying to keep him laughing and 515 00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:09.519 smiling at it. 516 00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:10.359 You know. 517 00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:13.599 I there was parts of it that I think went 518 00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:18.200 on too long, but for the most part, it's it's 519 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:20.519 really done. Wonders for Jay Lethal to be put on 520 00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:23.960 the radar the first three months of Hogan and Bishoff 521 00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:26.599 of this year, he was not to be heard from 522 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:28.599 and hardly ever seen. In fact, you remember he was 523 00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:33.559 getting beaten by Jim Knightheart and Chris Chavez. I think 524 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:36.160 came in beating one time in a couple of minutes 525 00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:40.119 and you know, now he's getting a pay per view 526 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:44.000 match with aj Styles. Now it's going to be Rick Flair. 527 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:48.319 So it's actually you know, yeah, elevated him to a 528 00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:50.799 pay per view level, and he's got the in ring talent, 529 00:26:50.920 --> 00:26:54.119 he's got the promobility. He could be a really big 530 00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:56.359 star for TNA. And I'm a real big fan of 531 00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:59.880 Jay Lethal. You know, they needed something, he needed something 532 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.319 to break out of the pack, so to speak, or 533 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:06.480 elevate his game. And I think he's founded here with Player, 534 00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:08.799 and Player is a big fan of it. You know, 535 00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:11.359 I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this. 536 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:14.319 I thought it was very entertaining, very hilarious, probably the 537 00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:17.119 best thing on the show last night. You know, just 538 00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:19.759 want to make sure that they don't overdo this gimmick 539 00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:22.599 with with Jay Leaf and that he gives Jay Lethal 540 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:24.759 and not just some imitation for Flayer. 541 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:30.240 My take on that segment was, I mean, it was absurd. 542 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.559 It was an absurd segment, and you can almost use 543 00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:36.680 that word in a positive or negative way in that sense. 544 00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:40.119 My problem was I thought it was a little bit 545 00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:43.960 too let's entertain the rest source backstage was entertain the 546 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:48.039 boys if you will. And I really didn't think it 547 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:51.160 helped business. I really don't think it helped sell that 548 00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:53.960 pay per view. They gave away a lot of the interaction. 549 00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:57.039 It was really entertaining, but I don't think it was 550 00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:58.920 entertaining in a way that's going to sell a pay 551 00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:01.279 per view match. I mean, so you get the big 552 00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:04.759 segment of them going back and forth on TV. It's intense, 553 00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:08.880 it's back and forth. Flayer's sweating, he's stripping, He's all 554 00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:12.279 over the place, Letho is going nuts, he's dropping the elbow, 555 00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:14.599 and then they want to sell you in just instead 556 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:17.000 of basic wrestling match where Flair and Leiths are gonna 557 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.200 go back and forth. And I'm not really sure that 558 00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:21.720 a match can settle whatever issues they are presented in 559 00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:25.319 this feud. I just I didn't feel like it was 560 00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:28.240 good for business. And you know, in the next three 561 00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:31.279 weeks you can kind of hammer home and a marketing 562 00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:33.720 plan to sell that pay per view on that matchup. 563 00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:37.480 But I thought they gave away a lot of what 564 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:39.960 could have been intriguing for that pay per view. Do 565 00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:41.920 you agree with her or did you see that It's 566 00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:44.839 just it was a good TV segment to build up 567 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:47.799 their first encounter on pay per view in a wrestling match. 568 00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:51.319 I think, you know, the key is gonna be going forward. 569 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:55.279 Is this g Lethal making fun and mocking Rick Flair 570 00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:59.240 and to build towards a match on pay per view? 571 00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:02.920 Or is this Lethal doing you know what he believes 572 00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:05.400 he is Rick Flair as much as what he did 573 00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:09.559 when he did the Brandy Savage game make and rip 574 00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:12.279 off there, he he almost was thinking he was Black 575 00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:15.640 machismo and and he lost his own character. I think 576 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.200 if they don't cross that line, I think it's okay. 577 00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:21.839 You know, I really enjoyed. Uh this is a bad example, 578 00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:24.880 but back in the attitude there, the Rock would have 579 00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:30.119 great interactions, very entertaining television and interviews. It didn't necessarily 580 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:32.000 build towards a pay per view match, but it was 581 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:35.680 entertaining and got fans involved enough to watch the product, 582 00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:38.519 and and you know built from there and Rock became 583 00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:41.000 a star. You know, I don't know Jay Lethal can 584 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:45.000 go to that extreme, but if he can stay within 585 00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:49.799 his own character of Jay Lethal, imitate Rick Flair and uh, 586 00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:52.319 you know Tromp Flair get under his skin and build 587 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:54.319 towards the match, I'm gonna let him go with it 588 00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:55.680 and give him the benefit of the doubt on this. 589 00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:59.440 Yeah. No, I agree, there's there's long term benefit and 590 00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:02.200 I I definitely agree at that point if they can 591 00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:04.599 make Lethal a star that's going to help their business 592 00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:07.119 down the road. And if this is their method to 593 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:10.680 get to that point with Rick Flair involvement and Flair 594 00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:13.559 kind of giving the Lethal that endorsement by being involved 595 00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:16.079 in this program, yeah, I can see the benefit to it. 596 00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:18.359 I think short term, I don't really know if it 597 00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:21.119 helped business too much. We'll see where the build up 598 00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:23.880 goes to that pay per view, But I'm kind of 599 00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:29.039 wait and see on whether this highly interesting segment helps business, 600 00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:30.480 So we'll see, right. 601 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:32.079 I don't think it will help in the short term. 602 00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:34.880 I think one of the things that they have lacked 603 00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:39.000 is ability to build stars or create characters that are 604 00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:41.440 going to be stars. They don't have that star power. 605 00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:43.599 And if they if they got. 606 00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:45.680 Something with Jay Lethal and they can build him into 607 00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:48.839 a star of p and a more power to him, 608 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:50.000 I think that will help long term. 609 00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:55.359 Need an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling podcasts, 610 00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:58.759 will come join me. Alan fourrel Over in the Progress, 611 00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:02.160 Paradise A p newge gors VIP as we mask on 612 00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:04.920 the bright side of wrestling and focus on some of 613 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:07.880 the great matches and shows from around the world, be 614 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:12.319 it the US, Japan, Europe or Mexico. 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Please take you don know where you're from. 631 00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:07.519 He didn't handle for fifth North Carolina. 632 00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:08.359 Hey, how y'all doing? 633 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:11.200 Hannibal Friday goad to have you on the show. 634 00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:14.720 Okay, okay, yes, I think you had to finish up 635 00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:17.880 my question you know about you know, you know, do 636 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:20.519 y'all think that Russo? You I act dis shop and 637 00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:23.680 Hogan anything to Russo's looking because I feel like this though, 638 00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:26.599 if they didn't have nothing to do with his booking, Okay, 639 00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:30.079 why did Valvenus beat Daniels less than you know, like 640 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:31.799 in less than a month after you know he'd been 641 00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:34.759 pushed a month ago and then also too, why did 642 00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:36.720 you know why I'm bitch getting to push off of 643 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:37.880 a sudden it seemed like that was. 644 00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:40.400 The Hogan's I did before you know they came in. 645 00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:41.359 What y'all take on that? 646 00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.519 I think when so it's going back to February or 647 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:49.920 January February, I think they saw more value in Sean 648 00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:54.319 Morley Valvenus because of his past w B career, his 649 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.920 name value based. I believe they saw more value in 650 00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:02.240 him than Daniels as sort of a quote unquote homegrown talent, 651 00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:06.519 which has been proven to be the wrong course of action. 652 00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.599 I think teenagers. I think Eric Bischoff and hop o' 653 00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.240 coogan came in with the idea of pushing who they 654 00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:14.519 know and trying to make stars of some of the 655 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:18.519 guys who've been underutilized in TNA, and that's kind of 656 00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:21.759 the two factors that came together. Daniels wasn't high on 657 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:24.200 their priority lists, and he was kind of he was, 658 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:26.599 you know, he was. He was given that loss to 659 00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.039 Sean Morley on that first pay per view under Hogan 660 00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:31.880 and Bishop, and then Morley disappeared, you know, he left 661 00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:37.079 the company, disappeared, and Daniels was released a couple months later. So, Brian, 662 00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:39.880 what's your take on how Russo and Bischoff and Hogan 663 00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:43.519 all of them have kind of developed a booking pattern 664 00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:46.319 or scheme over these first six months of twenty ten. 665 00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:49.279 Well, you and I I think bast time we were 666 00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.160 on we talked how this is Actually it seems like 667 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:55.039 we've changed bookers or slowed down to booking in the 668 00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:57.880 last couple of weeks, you know, before Hogan and Bischoff 669 00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:00.920 took power. At the end of two thousand nine, we 670 00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:03.480 had some really good pay per view main event matches. 671 00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:06.839 We had Styles and Joe against Christopher Daniels in a 672 00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:12.039 three way, and I think just styles against Christopher Daniels 673 00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.159 in their title match, and we had some decent matches 674 00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:20.480 because there wasn't so much focus on the silly booking 675 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:23.639 that we saw early part of January February, and we're 676 00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:25.920 starting to see that pattern develop again here. I think, 677 00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:28.920 you know, we've slowed down a lot easier, are a 678 00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:31.679 lot more and the storylines are a little bit easier 679 00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:34.920 to follow now. You know, a week ago there was 680 00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:36.760 only three or four matches. Last night there was a 681 00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:39.880 few more matches, and there's a lot of still illllogical 682 00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:42.320 things happening, but at least the storylines are starting to 683 00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:47.000 slow down. We're not seeing, you know, Scott Hall being 684 00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:50.239 pushed and the Nasty boys being pushed anymore. It's some 685 00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:53.360 of these other guys that are starting to get another 686 00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:55.960 chance to take a run with the ball here. So 687 00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:58.840 it seems to me like there's been behind the scenes 688 00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:00.760 at least maybe a little bit of change in the 689 00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:04.679 booking patterns. You know, Whether that means less or more 690 00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.320 of Russell, I'm not sure, but I have noticed that 691 00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:09.400 things are a little bit easier to follow over the 692 00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:10.239 last several weeks. 693 00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:13.800 Hannibal another follow up for question. 694 00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:17.920 Okay, okay, I'm was okay, get too quick one of it. 695 00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:20.480 Okay, I know what, I'll talk a while ago far 696 00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:23.559 as the Jay Lethal push, I remember the originals before 697 00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:26.599 Hogan came in, was that had gonna lose these guys, 698 00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:30.239 lose to these former stars and then end up, you know, 699 00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:32.960 realizing that he hang out to beat Black Macheese or 700 00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:34.599 you can just beat himself or whatever. 701 00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:37.800 And also the other question too that I think rih. 702 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:40.079 O is gonna get a major TV deal in the future. 703 00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:43.159 Do any think Ring of Honor is gonna get major 704 00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:48.639 TV deal? Is that your question, Hannibal, Mm hmm. I 705 00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:51.440 don't believe so. I think they're pretty much committed to 706 00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:55.719 hd Net. I think HG Net's committed to them. Brian, 707 00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:58.280 what you're taking Ring of Honor and the first part 708 00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:03.199 of Hannibal's question, J Yeah, As far. 709 00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:05.400 As the Ring of Honor, I think, like you said, 710 00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:07.360 they're committed to hd net and I think if they 711 00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:10.119 would like to stay with hd net and anticipation that 712 00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:14.320 that network will start to grow and build under Mark Cuban. 713 00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:16.199 You know, they're getting a lot of M M A 714 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.320 type programming on that on that channel as well, and 715 00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:22.440 they're I think they're hoping to do what you know 716 00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:24.800 ended up happening with Spike It. It grew and grew 717 00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:27.559 to a bigger channel and was available in more homes 718 00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:29.639 over time, and I think that's the route they're trying 719 00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:32.440 to take. And as far as Jay Lethal losing to 720 00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:35.480 those guys, uh, you know, where was the payoff ever 721 00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:39.400 on that. You know, everything that you do should build 722 00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:41.719 towards something or some payoffs down the road. You know, 723 00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:44.800 this is your commodity, is your TV time that they 724 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:47.920 have and the matches, it made Jay Lethal look like 725 00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:50.639 a jobb or because he lost to these guys been 726 00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:52.880 on TV in ten years and were out of shape 727 00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:55.159 and came in and beat him, and then it just 728 00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:57.320 looked like anybody out the street could be Ja Lethal. 729 00:36:57.400 --> 00:36:59.800 So I don't think it did anything to help el 730 00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:02.840 him at all. And it's you know, it's really him 731 00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:06.920 being uh coozing up with Flair here in this angle 732 00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.440 and Flair getting behind him for him to start getting 733 00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:10.039 the push again. 734 00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:14.559 We have reached the top of the hour. We want 735 00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:17.159 to thank everyone who's listening in on the pib Torch 736 00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:19.639 live cast live with us on the air or on 737 00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:23.599 iTunes or in the Torch VIP section or on blog 738 00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:26.480 talk radio. If you want to join the live discussion, 739 00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:29.960 the number to call is six four, six seven one 740 00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:33.400 nine eight two eight. Let's go back to the phone line. 741 00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:36.199 Let's go to the two to one area code two 742 00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:37.960 and oh, welcome to the show. Please stay to name 743 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:38.559 and where you're from. 744 00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:41.360 Al Right, guys, this is Cameron from Austin. 745 00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:44.400 Cameron from Austin. How's it going in Austin today? 746 00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:47.559 How it's ninety six degrees outside? 747 00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:50.280 It's just going well? I think I think it's ninety 748 00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.760 three here in Houston. So y'all are y' already beating 749 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.000 us right now? But Dahea, what do you have for 750 00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:55.440 us today? 751 00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:58.960 All right, just a couple of things. As far as 752 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:00.880 Jay Leathal goes, you got took the words right out 753 00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:04.239 of my mouth. I think it's great that, especially before 754 00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.199 I guess Bishoff and Hogan came in. He was, you know, 755 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:09.239 he hadn't want to match on TV in like a 756 00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:11.800 year or something to that effect. I really like it 757 00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:13.480 when they just let guys go out there and say 758 00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:16.760 you're talented. Show it's your talent. I think one thing 759 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:20.639 WW is always guilty of is that minorities always have 760 00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.920 to play a character that's designated for minorities. They have 761 00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:27.360 rappers and guys like MVP that are like that too, 762 00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:28.280 style athlete. 763 00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:31.679 So it's nice to see a person of color. 764 00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:33.440 Go out there and just be able to do their thing, 765 00:38:33.559 --> 00:38:35.360 even if it is a limitation of somebody else. 766 00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:38.440 It's a walcome thing to see. Agree. 767 00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:42.360 As far as as far as the question goes, I'm 768 00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:45.239 a big fan of current angle. When he gave up 769 00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:47.239 kind of his spot in the top ten rankings and 770 00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:48.039 wanted to work. 771 00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:48.679 His way back up. 772 00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:51.239 I think it really gives a chance for a lot 773 00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:54.159 of fresh matchups things like that. My question is, with 774 00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:57.280 the way things the TNA jump around and the fact 775 00:38:57.280 --> 00:38:59.480 that they want to hotshot things about ratings and everything, 776 00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.280 you think they can actually let it play out to 777 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:05.280 where he beats everybody in the rankings and marks his 778 00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:07.719 way to the title, you know, nine ten months down 779 00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:10.239 the road. Do you think that's something that's actually gonna last? 780 00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:13.800 Very good question. It would be very much out of 781 00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:18.840 TNA's character to let's let a storyline play out for 782 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:23.000 six months. The last time I can remember the storyline 783 00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:26.960 a really a real storyline kind of play out over 784 00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:29.880 a period of time. Was probably Samoa Joe when he 785 00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:32.360 won that team a ROLD title in eight and then 786 00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.639 he was kind of in Kevin Nash's shadow for about 787 00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:39.440 six months until Bound for Glory when he dropped the title, 788 00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:42.119 and he was kind of this hot headed champion. Nation 789 00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:44.960 is trying to control him, to calm him down. I 790 00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:48.199 really can't think of another long term storyline that's played out. 791 00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:51.679 Angle hit on his quest to the number one would 792 00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:54.920 be a really good consistent storyline to see play out 793 00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:58.039 over time. Brian, do you think they're disciplined enough to 794 00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:01.159 not jump right to number one? Had him challenge RVD 795 00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:04.079 for that title? Or do you see Hi maybe holding 796 00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:07.239 off until RVD and Angle perhaps it down for Glory 797 00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:09.679 in October. Do you think that's within the realm of 798 00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:10.840 possibility for TNA. 799 00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:15.000 Well, I don't think Vince Russo is disciplined enough to 800 00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:18.199 hold off on that. He's proven that over time with 801 00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:21.280 this track record. Eric Dishoff, on the other hand, has 802 00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:24.119 showed us with the you know the Bill to Sting 803 00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:27.559 in Stark nineteen ninety seven, he was disciplined enough, you 804 00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:29.440 know that was a big money program that he could 805 00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:31.079 have went to a lot earlier than he did, but 806 00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:33.679 he's you know, give him his credit at that time. 807 00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:37.599 He stuck to his guns and played off that. T 808 00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:40.000 and A has done a couple of different angles. You know, 809 00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:43.000 you mentioned a couple of their games they had. Christian 810 00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:45.360 Cage was undefeated for I think like a year that 811 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:48.559 he was in and smallA Joe was undefeated for two 812 00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:51.320 three years, never been ten. So they've done a couple 813 00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:54.239 of those type of gimmicks and have had the discipline 814 00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:56.599 to do it. I guess I'm hopeful that they won't 815 00:40:56.840 --> 00:40:59.079 rush through this with Kurt Angle. I think it's a 816 00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:03.400 really good story, especially for his age and the place 817 00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:06.480 and career that Kurt Angle's in. If they would go 818 00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:10.280 to Kurt Angle, you know, climbing this ladder to get 819 00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:14.079 to the championship match and do just the matches on 820 00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:16.599 a pay per view basis. You know, Kurt is now 821 00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:19.000 a rank number nine. He tries to go the next 822 00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:21.199 leadder at the next pay per view, And that's really 823 00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:23.440 the only story that you need for Kurt Angle at 824 00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:25.760 this point. He's good enough in the ring, he's good 825 00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:28.599 enough outside of the ring. He doesn't need anything else. 826 00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:32.480 Just let him be this quest for the championship and 827 00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:35.000 let it play out over eight nine months and you know, 828 00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.239 as you have eight or nine more matches to get 829 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:39.960 to rout van Dam. That'll take you through at least 830 00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.440 through the rest of this year into an early part 831 00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:44.079 of the twenty eleven. 832 00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:47.840 And there's some good matchups along the way to revisit, 833 00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:50.960 I mean, to have first time matchups and revisit. You've 834 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:53.719 got Des and Wolft, I mean, Wolf's had some great 835 00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:55.599 matches with Angle. At the end of nine, you have 836 00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.480 Samoa Joe. I know what Joe and Angle are capable of. 837 00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:01.760 So you can march through this list. I mean, Jeff 838 00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:04.440 Hardy is on that list. It kind of did your 839 00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:06.280 way to RVD and have some really good pay per 840 00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:09.519 view matches and some good TV matches with proper build 841 00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.400 up and hin. So I really hope that they stick 842 00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:14.960 to this, they kind of march their way to number 843 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.559 one and then really have that epic matchup that could 844 00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:21.039 really sell a pay per view by itself. So we'll 845 00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:23.880 see if they if they get to that point, or 846 00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:25.599 if they'll pull it tical a little a little bit 847 00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:29.079 earlier than maybe they should. Cameron anything else from near 848 00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:29.639 the follow up. 849 00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:33.639 One more thing, I remember a couple of years ago, 850 00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:36.760 I guess when Dessi Rhodes was ducted into the Hall 851 00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:39.719 of Fame. They l it was before Cody had been 852 00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:42.039 in WW and he got up there and he got 853 00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:43.679 on the mic for a while just talking about his 854 00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.519 dad's accomplishments in their family. And I always thought the 855 00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:49.440 guy's in that family, they're just so talented, but nobody 856 00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.000 ever had that look to where they can have like 857 00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:54.840 that at that kind of mainstream appeal. Cody comes along 858 00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:58.039 and he's, you know, half the size of his dad 859 00:42:58.039 --> 00:42:59.440 and his brother, but in a good way. Like the 860 00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:02.000 kid's got a great bill and he's right on the 861 00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:04.199 mic and seeing him on SmackDown, he can really go 862 00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:07.239 in the ring. I'm just curious, you know, seeing his 863 00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:09.880 how Kidney the Aussie's really the one in nineteen everybody 864 00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:12.159 thought was gonna be a breakout star and it remains 865 00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:15.320 to be seen. But how high do you think Cody 866 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:16.320 Stock can rats? 867 00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:19.920 I think he can go real high. The one thing 868 00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:23.079 that's going to hold him back is his size. He's 869 00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:25.840 not a big dude. He's not He's not a tough 870 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:29.199 looking heel. He's not your classic big man heel that 871 00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:31.880 w B likes to push and then sort of feed 872 00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:33.360 to John Cena down the road. 873 00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:35.519 He's a guy that I mean. 874 00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:38.280 I really saw something on the NXT show on Tuesday, 875 00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:40.960 just that promo he cut at the end of NXT 876 00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:45.320 was a really strong dromo, really good mic work and 877 00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:47.480 the ring on SmackDown. You're right cameraon. He's done really 878 00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:51.239 good work on SmackDown since being drafted over. I think 879 00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:53.199 it's just a matter of it's a matter of time 880 00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:56.079 and who the champion is and the right opportunity to 881 00:43:56.159 --> 00:44:01.119 come along. But I really see him having I'm right now, 882 00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:03.360 I see him having more upside than Debios right now, 883 00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:07.440 I just don't see I don't think Debias's shown as 884 00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:13.719 much as as Cody Rhodes since they split up. Legacy Brian, 885 00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:16.840 what's your take on Kobe Rhoads and perhaps if you 886 00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:18.679 were to compare him in debiast, which one do you 887 00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:20.000 think has more upside? Right now? 888 00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:26.079 You know, everybody's like you said, is given Ted Debiasse 889 00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:28.599 the green light to go to head to the next 890 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:32.039 level a lot faster than Cody Rhads And maybe that's 891 00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:34.239 a good thing for Roads that the spotlight isn't on him, 892 00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:36.519 or the pressure isn't on him right now. You know, 893 00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:41.440 when when wrestling created stars that became big stars in 894 00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:43.760 the eighties and nineties, it was because they had worked 895 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:47.000 several different territories and had several years under their belt 896 00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:50.320 working in front of smaller crowds to learn how to 897 00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:53.360 wrestle and do matches and work on their promos in 898 00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:56.960 front of small TVs. You know that's changed now. They 899 00:44:57.039 --> 00:44:59.599 don't have that opportunity anymore. They're not getting the type 900 00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:02.400 of season me and it takes guys a while, you know, 901 00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:05.000 sometimes it takes Look at Steve Austin. You'll start wrestling 902 00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:07.840 in eighty nine and it wasn't until ninety six where 903 00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:12.880 he became this breakout, stone cold character that changed the business. 904 00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:15.079 So it took him six seven years. If you give 905 00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:18.360 roads to Debiosti that same type of opportunity six seven 906 00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:20.559 years down the road, both those guys are gonna be 907 00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:21.119 big stars. 908 00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.480 Yeah, Debiosite just needs time. It's just a matter of 909 00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.440 time for him. I just I haven't liked what they've 910 00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:31.840 done with him with the million hour gimmick. I just 911 00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:35.039 it just hasn't fit yet. And then he's been sort 912 00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:37.480 of doing that bit with the radcast host. 913 00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:39.960 Not a big fan of that, especially the eight. 914 00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:42.039 Team stuff a couple of weeks ago. That was just 915 00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:46.119 bad TV. I don't know, We'll see as they can 916 00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:49.400 find something different for debiosk to do. I think the 917 00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:53.280 Virgil thing was a nice, short term little way to 918 00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:56.880 get debiosit a consistent TV exposure, But I think that's 919 00:45:56.920 --> 00:45:57.840 gonna run its course. 920 00:45:57.960 --> 00:45:59.840 So I'm just gonna move up and move. 921 00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:02.119 A long I can find something different for Debios to 922 00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:05.679 do it continue to develop him on TV as a 923 00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.199 character in in the ring. I mean, he's good in 924 00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:11.760 the ring, not flashy, which is fine. But they're gonna 925 00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:14.679 find something different, a different program for him and see 926 00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:16.519 if they can find something else that might work. 927 00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:19.679 So now, James, do you think that if they would 928 00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:21.800 move him over to SmackDown that would be a benefit 929 00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:24.840 for his career. I mean, I see Cody rogues on SmackDown, 930 00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:27.559 gain an opportunity to wrestle longer matches, stay away from 931 00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:30.519 some of these stupid skits, and and maybe even get 932 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:33.239 some time to speak on a microphone because SmackDown is 933 00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:37.880 a more heavily wrestling focused show rather than the Thurday 934 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:42.199 Night like Night Live aspect that Monday Night Raw is Yeah, 935 00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:43.440 I agree with that, I don't. 936 00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:45.360 I yeah, that's a good point. I don't think the 937 00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:48.440 Debian is a really good fit on Raw by himself. 938 00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:50.039 I mean, he was finally l like to see and 939 00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:52.320 Randy Orton. But I think he make a good point 940 00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:54.559 Brian that perhaps he's just not a good fit on Raw, 941 00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:57.239 that he needs to be somewhere where he can showcase 942 00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:02.480 is his rustled ability. It's got a good personality that 943 00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:05.960 I think would seem larger than life on SmackDown. Smackdowns, 944 00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:08.119 you know a lot of times they just kind of 945 00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:10.760 have these I don't want to say drab, but sort 946 00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:14.559 in dry characters and dry personalities. I think Debians would 947 00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:17.800 add something different on SmackDown and stand now to where 948 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:20.639 he can get over on SmackDown and then be moved 949 00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:24.159 to Raw and already be established as a main event 950 00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:27.039 level star and they can integrate him onto Raw. So 951 00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:29.719 I think they've kind of gotten him out of backwards 952 00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:33.400 with debofs prefs, and that might be what's hurting him 953 00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:35.800 right now, is it's just maybe not a good sit 954 00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:38.679 on Raw right now. It's always more over as a 955 00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:40.760 guy who's taken seriously about the audience. 956 00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:44.519 We're about to go to a commercial break. Why listen 957 00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:46.920 to commercial breaks when you can go vi IP and 958 00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:49.519 experience our shows with the ads and plugs removed. PW 959 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.960 Torch dot com slash go v i P that's PW 960 00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:55.880 Torch dot com slash go VIP for full details, or 961 00:47:56.239 --> 00:47:59.679 go to Patreon Patreon dot com slash PW Torch. 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The number to call 973 00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:36.800 is six four, six seven two one nine to two eight. 974 00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:40.320 Let's continue on to the sixty five to one area 975 00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:42.880 code sixty five one. Welcome to the show. Please stay 976 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.599 you name and where you're from? Heyday? 977 00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:46.440 Can I call it James? 978 00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:47.960 It's Mike from Webury, Minnesota. 979 00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:49.239 Hey Mike, what's going on? 980 00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:51.280 Noting? Watch? 981 00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:53.239 Just join the weekend? 982 00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:53.960 YEP. 983 00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:58.679 I gotta bring up a point, uh from Monday's rod 984 00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:01.840 that hasn't been talked about, but I really disliked the 985 00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:05.719 throwing out of the four four mid carters for the 986 00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:10.119 fully match on Monday Night with sin Our Truth, the 987 00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:14.760 Miz and Uh, I'm it's escaping me. Who the fourth 988 00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:15.199 guy was? 989 00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:15.559 Right now? 990 00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:23.039 Morris, John Morrison, the Miz Our Truth and oh Zach Ryder. 991 00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:25.840 Yeah, and Zach Ryder, Oh, I love I Love Rider. 992 00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:30.639 But they did it to show the audience what a 993 00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:34.320 great thing, how cool the fatal full way match idea is. 994 00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:37.639 And then the finish of the match is what you 995 00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:41.119 do in fatal full ay matches. I mean the heel 996 00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:45.920 taking advantage of the face going over on the champion. 997 00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:48.760 I mean that's to me, that's the finish of the 998 00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.760 smack Down match. Sunday is Raymond Sterio hits the sixth 999 00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:56.199 one night on on punkin Slager. It's in his character 1000 00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.840 to fly out of nowhere to puck aside and then 1001 00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:03.679 their toss lay aside. I mean they if they had 1002 00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:07.000 a First Blood pay per view, they wouldn't showcase, you know, 1003 00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:09.320 first Blood match six days before the pay per view, 1004 00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:12.719 have the heal get cut open, not have the rest 1005 00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:14.800 see it, and then but the base open. 1006 00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:16.119 They wouldn't do that, or are they? 1007 00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:17.480 They'd be stupid they did. 1008 00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:20.199 I just thought that move over the radar or everybody. 1009 00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:22.440 I really didn't like that that idea. 1010 00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:25.400 Yeah, and I could see why it flew in the radar. 1011 00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:27.119 There was a lot of stuff on that show. And 1012 00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:29.639 also it was an okay match. I mean it was 1013 00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:32.679 a decent TV match. But you're exactly right, Mike. The 1014 00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:36.320 booking was, we're gonna give away that finish, We're going 1015 00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:38.840 to give away a title change, we're gonna show you 1016 00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:41.920 how one of these match is going to end, and 1017 00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:45.039 like you said, it's sort of this, it sort of 1018 00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:49.079 sid to be's attempt, I stress attempt the mark of 1019 00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:52.079 this pay per view as anything could happen and the 1020 00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:55.840 champion is always in jeopardy, and this sort of nonsense 1021 00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:58.159 with a pay per view build up Brian, what was 1022 00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:00.920 your take on the way that match was books and 1023 00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:04.480 you they gave away just way too much. They kind 1024 00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:06.480 of ruined that that sales pitch for the pay per 1025 00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:07.280 view on Sunday. 1026 00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:11.559 Well, it's nothing that we haven't seen from both T 1027 00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:15.039 and A and WW before. They both companies are guilty 1028 00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.760 of that where they will give away a few days 1029 00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:19.840 before the pay per view that exact same match. You 1030 00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:22.599 remember T and A has done several times where they've 1031 00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:25.639 build up to lockdown, they'll have a cage match and 1032 00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:29.039 six days later you're supposed to pay for it on 1033 00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:30.840 pay per view, And it's the kind of the same 1034 00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:33.599 concept here and you and to bring up good point 1035 00:51:33.639 --> 00:51:36.719 their color that they they had this four way match 1036 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.000 six days before the pay per view and it's really 1037 00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:41.480 stupid that they would they would do that, And you know, 1038 00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:44.400 I think it's a concept that's way overused. I really 1039 00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:48.559 hate the concept anyway that the champion may not have 1040 00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:50.840 to be pinned and you can still lose his title. 1041 00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:53.559 To me, you know, the titles are one that should 1042 00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:56.159 be one on one contest who's a better man? Not 1043 00:51:56.440 --> 00:51:58.519 you know, you will beat somebody else who's maybe the 1044 00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:01.679 fourth best challenger and match and I beat him and 1045 00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:03.920 I become the champion. That's not how the Super Bowls 1046 00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:06.840 decided and to me, that's not how wrestling should be 1047 00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:07.559 decided to either. 1048 00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:13.000 Yeah, and I think gonna be. It's almost an overcompensation 1049 00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:16.079 where they want to get away from a lot of 1050 00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:22.880 focus on traditional wrestling storytelling building toward money matches. They 1051 00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:25.760 want to have more of these sort of events, these 1052 00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:29.920 concept pay per views, these special attractions. It's almost like 1053 00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:32.400 a Battle Royal every month now. They just want to 1054 00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:35.159 have a Battle Royal and have that be their drawing card, 1055 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:37.840 you know, just kind of create some sort of analogy 1056 00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:40.199 to what they're trying to do. They're trying to create 1057 00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:43.280 this attraction every month on pay per view, but it's 1058 00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:47.519 not drawing consistently. You've got to have those one on 1059 00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:51.679 one matchups that people have either a guy they like 1060 00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:53.400 or a guy they dislike, and they want to see 1061 00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:55.400 the guy they like win or the guy they just 1062 00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:58.400 like lose. And that's just basic stories and that's what 1063 00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:03.400 makes money and wrestling. UFC Sports World Cup, I mean, 1064 00:53:03.679 --> 00:53:10.039 I I mean, I'm I watched soccer, uh sometimes because 1065 00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:11.800 you know, Houston has a local team. I got to 1066 00:53:11.800 --> 00:53:13.679 a couple of games once in a while, but I 1067 00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:15.719 looked in the World Cup because I want to see 1068 00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:18.280 a team win the USA and I want to see 1069 00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:20.320 some other teams lose. Being the other teams in our 1070 00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:23.760 bracket or our pool have labeled, you know, so that 1071 00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:26.800 you create that intrigue for those one on one matchups 1072 00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:30.599 and everything feeds off of that. It's just it's just basic. 1073 00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:33.039 It's not anything that you need to create some sort 1074 00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:36.639 of magic formula or you know, use a cliche, reinvent 1075 00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:39.400 the wheel on what sells pay per views and what 1076 00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:42.800 sells tickets. It's one on one matchups. It's an issue 1077 00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:46.960 between two people, not four people. Not hey let's combine 1078 00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:49.760 two issues into one match. That that that waters down 1079 00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:53.039 the whole concept. So I think that four way match 1080 00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:55.559 on RAW I agree with I agree with Mike that 1081 00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:58.159 it did take away from that build up and they thought, 1082 00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:00.320 I'm sure never to be thought, Oh this is really 1083 00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:02.519 gonna help the build up. We're gonna show how this 1084 00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:04.519 match is gonna play out. We're gonna give a visual 1085 00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:06.960 to the audience. I don't think so. I don't think 1086 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.559 it helped at all. So I think it probably flew 1087 00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:12.679 under the radar just because it was probably fourth or 1088 00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:15.199 fith's most important thing on Raw. It it was a 1089 00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:17.639 decent match, But Mike, I think you're right on with 1090 00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:19.840 how that match didn't really help the build up. So 1091 00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:22.880 anything else, Mike, any other question or. 1092 00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.440 Follow up, Well, let me quickly coming on that and 1093 00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:28.519 then I'll have a question for you. But sure, it's 1094 00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:30.519 not only that they have to conform to their pay 1095 00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:34.360 per view gimmicks, but it's the double time and sometimes 1096 00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:37.079 triple time of beginning match itself. I think it's one 1097 00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:38.480 thing to have a hell in a found pay per 1098 00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:40.679 view and paid a four pay per view, but there's 1099 00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:43.239 this thing that we have to have a Spackdown match 1100 00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:46.119 and the raw match to have to be that way, 1101 00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:48.599 and I'm not so sure that we have to do. 1102 00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:51.280 I mean, there really weren't four big contenders to the 1103 00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:54.199 SmackDown World title, and for that matter, of the Raw 1104 00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:57.239 World title, but they had to conform to it, and 1105 00:54:57.360 --> 00:54:59.639 now we're I wouldn't be shocked to get a title 1106 00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:01.840 change on Sunday between one of the two big belts, 1107 00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:04.239 and I don't think either one of those guys should 1108 00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:06.039 be in a position to drop the belt on Sunday. 1109 00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:07.679 I mean, I'm not saying they both have to go 1110 00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:10.400 into WrestleMania next year. Flag or an Seen is still 1111 00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:15.320 the champions, but Swagger's gaining momentum and heading into Summer Slam, 1112 00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:18.800 I think, and at Sena really doesn't need the belt, 1113 00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:22.000 but he he's been known to have those one two 1114 00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:23.960 month title Raine to drop him, and then we started 1115 00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:26.599 to chase over. I wouldn't mind seeing Seena have a 1116 00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:30.760 nice eight month run here. I really wouldn't, but that's 1117 00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:33.119 just my opinion. And then I have a question since 1118 00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:35.159 they have to conform again next month with the money 1119 00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:37.559 in the bank pay per view. Yeah, do you see 1120 00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:41.880 anyway since we obviously got instead of just having chapter 1121 00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:44.079 two in the NXD angle on Monday, we got to 1122 00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:47.519 about chapter six, I think, do you see them rushing 1123 00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:52.039 into it and somehow having the rookies in their own 1124 00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:53.840 money in the bank kind of ladder match where the 1125 00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:57.639 where some guy get the contract or the title chet stipulation. 1126 00:55:57.760 --> 00:55:59.480 I mean, I don't know how, but I just have 1127 00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:02.400 an ink that they might be headed to have it 1128 00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:04.599 some the NXD rookies and the Body in the bank 1129 00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:06.760 pay per view next month and at the highpp for 1130 00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:08.519 the day. You have a great weekend, guys, than if 1131 00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:09.480 you could leave me on the phone. 1132 00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:12.159 I appreciate it, all right, Mike, we appreciate the call. 1133 00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:17.000 Some really intriguing the points there for Mike, Brian. First 1134 00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:20.519 of all, we'll talk about Cenn Swagger. Do they retain 1135 00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:24.000 the titles for your prediction or and should they retain 1136 00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:27.119 the titles? And also, I mean the kind of Mike's 1137 00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:28.880 idea from Money in the Bank made me think about 1138 00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:32.199 perhaps they're gonna have uh, I guess the seven remaining 1139 00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:35.400 NXC rookies from season one perhaps and the Money in 1140 00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:37.280 the Bank manage where one of them gets a contract 1141 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:40.360 or maybe Wade Barren's reinstated since he won an XC 1142 00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:42.679 and the other six sturn of Money in the Bank match. 1143 00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:46.159 I don't know, that's maybe that's one way to advance 1144 00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:48.960 that storyline. Brian, what are your what's your take on 1145 00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:52.360 those two topics of the title situation in next month's 1146 00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:52.840 pay per view? 1147 00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:55.199 Yeah, well, Mike, you know, Mike bro have a lot 1148 00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:56.960 of good points start. So thanks for the call again, 1149 00:56:57.000 --> 00:57:01.480 Mike can call back. Do you look at Jack Schwager, 1150 00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:04.639 This guy has a lot it could have a lot 1151 00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:07.400 of credibility as a champion. You do his book correctly. 1152 00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:09.519 I think he needs to have a shot. 1153 00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:12.440 To take a run with this belt. And you know, 1154 00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:14.639 you can make a star out of Jack Slager here 1155 00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:16.559 if you're going to do it properly. But the company 1156 00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:19.559 has not gotten behind him whatsoever. I mean, has how 1157 00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:22.599 many matches has he won since he's been the champion? 1158 00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:27.360 A very very few matches. Yeah, yeah, it's it's very few. 1159 00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:30.400 And he needs to have a run with the belt here. 1160 00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:33.000 He needs to win some matches and to beat some 1161 00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:37.000 guys so that he is viewed as a credible champion. 1162 00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:40.159 And I think the longer title range will build interest. 1163 00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:42.480 You know, you have a lot of quick title switches 1164 00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:45.880 here recently, businesses pay for view wise is as low 1165 00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:48.400 as it's been in the last several years. I think, 1166 00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:51.639 you know, go back to where it was three four 1167 00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:53.800 years ago when Sina had his run with the belt 1168 00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:56.280 and let him have another one build up here to 1169 00:57:57.159 --> 00:57:59.840 WrestleMania that he's still holding the belt and you know 1170 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:01.679 at some point you're gonna have a big money match 1171 00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:06.760 between Sina and the undertaker of Russelemania. You know, why 1172 00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:09.599 not have seen it going there champion versus a street 1173 00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:12.559 you know type of storyliners or something like along that line. 1174 00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:14.880 So both of these guys need to have a longer 1175 00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:19.639 title reign, especially Schlagger needs some credibility kind of going 1176 00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:22.039 forward because he just hasn't been booked as a credible champion, 1177 00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:25.400 you know. And you bring up a good point about 1178 00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:29.159 the ladder match and what direction they're going to go. 1179 00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:32.559 It certainly seems like that's a possibility that they could 1180 00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:35.960 go with all six of these the NXT rookies going 1181 00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:39.280 into a ladder match for a contract. But I think 1182 00:58:39.320 --> 00:58:41.800 it really defeats the storyline purpose that they're starting to 1183 00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:44.360 build right now. These the NXT rookies have all come 1184 00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:49.039 together to take on or invade WWE. Why would you 1185 00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:51.800 throw them to fight against each other on pay per 1186 00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:54.280 view in a ladder match for a contract. I think 1187 00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:57.639 it makes no sense whatsoever to do that. You're reversing 1188 00:58:57.800 --> 00:59:00.719 course on a really a hot ankle that you've got 1189 00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:03.599 and you don't want to drop it. If if you 1190 00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:07.239 go with the season two look East, you know, you've 1191 00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:10.960 got a lot of guys who are too inexperienced to 1192 00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:14.039 be climbing ladders and putting on a quality pay per 1193 00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:16.000 view event. You know, you could do something like that. 1194 00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:19.039 But if that's the case, then why I have next 1195 00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:22.159 on Tuesday nights and have a show when they're competing 1196 00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:23.880 for the contract. If all they're going to do is 1197 00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:27.400 a month from now goal and have a ladder match 1198 00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:30.000 on pay per view, it's it's just really no neither 1199 00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:33.639 concept makes logical sense, and it doesn't. 1200 00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:35.880 But I can see them doing it because I just 1201 00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:40.480 get this feeling that the NXT invasion angle is not 1202 00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:42.920 going to be a long term deal. I think when 1203 00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:46.639 it first debuted two Mondays ago, it looks like something 1204 00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:50.039 they could stretch out over six, seven, eight weeks, even 1205 00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:53.559 a couple of months, even maybe even six months, and really, 1206 00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:56.400 you know, build something for the entire summer into the 1207 00:59:56.519 --> 00:59:59.880 fall that would have some momentum going into that that's 1208 01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:03.440 fall period up against Monday Night Football. Now, after they 1209 01:00:03.559 --> 01:00:06.920 kind of rush through a lot of content this Monday, 1210 01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:09.639 I really get the sense that this is a short 1211 01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:12.039 term angle and it's not something that WNB is prepared 1212 01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:15.000 to or want to play out over a long period 1213 01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:17.079 of time. And we might get to a point where, 1214 01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:18.400 you know, it kind of depends on how it plays 1215 01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:21.000 out this Sunday on the pay per view, where you know, 1216 01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:24.679 brn Hart might say in the storyline, Okay, I'm gonna 1217 01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:28.679 give a contract to you know, I'll reinstate Wade Bart. 1218 01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:31.599 You know, I'll give a contract to one guy if 1219 01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:34.519 y'all agree to you know, not wreak havoc on the 1220 01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:37.400 show anymore. And the one guy who gets the contract 1221 01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:40.320 is the one who wins the money in the pay match, 1222 01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:41.679 and that might be the way they get to that 1223 01:00:41.840 --> 01:00:44.280 point and kind of throw away what could have been 1224 01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:47.000 a long term angle. I really, I just really get 1225 01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:48.920 that sense that they're not going long term with this, 1226 01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:51.360 which is really disappointing because that's how I could have 1227 01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:54.920 helped business a lot, just to get raw, something really 1228 01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:59.480 consistent and interesting and intriguing and different and new and fresh, 1229 01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:03.239 and then just a different concept for their show. Now 1230 01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:06.800 it seems like it might just be another storyline, and 1231 01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:10.119 that I think it would be a major wasted opportunity. 1232 01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:14.440 It's just my sense of it right now, and that's unfortunate, 1233 01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:15.599 but hopefully. 1234 01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:16.320 I'll be wrong on that. 1235 01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:25.400 Longing for some nostalgia or maybe you want to learn 1236 01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:29.360 some wrestling history, don't miss the nineties Past cast every 1237 01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:32.760 Friday on the PW Torch Daily Cast Feed. Alex and 1238 01:01:32.840 --> 01:01:36.079 Patrick will transport you thirty years into the past by 1239 01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:38.880 taking you through the Torch issue from that very week. 1240 01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:42.599 Follow news from the WWF and WCW and all the 1241 01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:45.800 happenings from across the wrestling industry in real time as 1242 01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:49.320 The Torch reported it thirty years ago. That's the nineties 1243 01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:52.719 Past cast every Friday on the PW Torch Daily Cast Feed. 1244 01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:05.920 Let's continue on to the two one five area code 1245 01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:08.480 two one five. Welcome to show, Please stitch yourn and 1246 01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:09.039 where you're from? 1247 01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:12.400 Hey, James and Bryant's Eric in Philadelphia? 1248 01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:14.320 Hey, Eric, what's going on? Good? Have yard? 1249 01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:15.639 All right? 1250 01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:16.639 Thank it's good to be on. 1251 01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:20.159 I had a theory and a question for y'all. 1252 01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:22.800 I want to know, what do you think if they 1253 01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:26.920 continue to carry NXT right, making that a brand and 1254 01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:29.440 instead of doing money in the bank next year, he 1255 01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:32.000 turned into some type of pay per view where the 1256 01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:34.519 winner of it, you know, instead of getting the title shot, 1257 01:02:34.599 --> 01:02:35.000 gets to go. 1258 01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:36.400 To Raw or smack Down. 1259 01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:38.880 That was a theory, like, you know, some way to. 1260 01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:42.079 You know, launch new stars on the different brand. 1261 01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:44.320 And the second one was what do. 1262 01:02:44.360 --> 01:02:46.440 You what do you think the Motor City machine Guns 1263 01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:49.079 got to do to actually get the rub because they've 1264 01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:52.760 been doing like incredible matches, especially like the exhibiting match 1265 01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:57.119 between Alex Shelley and Christveen last year. You know, Jason 1266 01:02:57.199 --> 01:02:58.639 was getting a rub right now. So I want to 1267 01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:01.000 know what do you think has to for them to 1268 01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:02.079 get detained. 1269 01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:05.239 Type of rub good questions. Derek Brian wants you to 1270 01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:07.480 go and take those two first, and I'll add my comments. 1271 01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:12.679 Okay, I think Moner City machine Guns are incredibly talented. 1272 01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:15.800 You know, they remind me of the Rock and Roll 1273 01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:18.800 Express Midnight Express type of tag teams from back in 1274 01:03:18.840 --> 01:03:24.960 the eighties that had all kinds of flashy, innovative moves 1275 01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:27.639 that they did with each other onto their opponents, and 1276 01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:29.760 it was you know, they're really a breath of fresh 1277 01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:33.079 air and they really could make themselves stand out. You know, 1278 01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:35.480 t and A wants to stand out from what the 1279 01:03:35.639 --> 01:03:40.400 WWE's presenting is make MotorCity machine Guns your focal point 1280 01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:43.079 of your taking division because they stand out from anybody 1281 01:03:43.159 --> 01:03:47.719 in TNA and from any team in WWE right now. 1282 01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:51.079 So there's a really bright spot, I think, and they 1283 01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:52.119 need to get behind them. 1284 01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:55.239 You know, maybe they need to have a. 1285 01:03:55.199 --> 01:03:57.440 Little bit more time in front of a microphone to 1286 01:03:57.480 --> 01:03:59.360 build themselves up as stars. 1287 01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:00.719 And uh you know that. 1288 01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:03.360 I think there's there's some real money to be made 1289 01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:07.039 with those guys if they would get behind them. The 1290 01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:10.679 first part of your question about another brand, I think, 1291 01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:15.239 you know, we've they've tried those brands, and right now, 1292 01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:19.599 SmackDown is clearly number two brand to Raw, and it's 1293 01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:22.960 gonna get even worse when they lose their network affiliation 1294 01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:26.159 and go to Sci Fi Network. To have a third 1295 01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:28.199 brand is really going to get lost in the shuffle, 1296 01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:31.760 and it's gonna be probably counterproductive for them to try 1297 01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:34.960 and and build another brand because they're having a tough 1298 01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:37.800 enough time right now building two brands to smack Down 1299 01:04:37.840 --> 01:04:41.719 in a raw brand, Yeah, I don't see another brand 1300 01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:42.639 being established. 1301 01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:47.199 It would be sixty. I think with Dodoby's TV situation 1302 01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:50.800 kind of in a transition stage and they just you know, 1303 01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:54.199 finished up the East W brand. I just don't know 1304 01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:56.639 if they're if they're going to go that direction. I 1305 01:04:56.639 --> 01:04:58.280 think they're going to try to focus more on just 1306 01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:01.920 Raw and SmackDown and develop those new stars and NXT. 1307 01:05:03.239 --> 01:05:05.199 But I don't really see a new brand or sort 1308 01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:08.440 of you know, having sixteen rookies kind of on their 1309 01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:11.079 own show. But uh, the machine Guns, Dad, they should 1310 01:05:11.079 --> 01:05:14.079 be they should be in line for a much more 1311 01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:16.840 prominent TV slot. I think it just hasn't been the 1312 01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:19.840 right timing. But I feel like TNA is going to 1313 01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:23.119 start focusing on tag team wrestling with this sort of 1314 01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:26.000 this tournament and in the pay per view next month, 1315 01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:28.519 So I think the Gun's probably in the second half 1316 01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:31.920 of this year, we'll have a better look on TV 1317 01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:35.840 and just get more TV tonime. So that's ridiction to 1318 01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:37.880 go into the weekend. We want to thank everyone for listening. 1319 01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:39.840 Brian Hoops and I will be staying on for the 1320 01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:42.960 VIP after show and we will talk to everyone on Monday. 1321 01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:47.239 Thank you for using blog talk radios. 1322 01:05:47.519 --> 01:05:47.960 Goodbye. 1323 01:05:49.559 --> 01:05:51.280 All right, Brian, you and I are. 1324 01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:54.400 Gonna stick around for the VIP after show, and we 1325 01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:57.480 want to thank everyone who has listened to today's live 1326 01:05:57.599 --> 01:06:02.840 cast into the VIP show. Probably we had a couple 1327 01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:06.519 other TNA topics and some other news and notes before 1328 01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:10.119 getting into some nostalgia news, because you have some some 1329 01:06:10.280 --> 01:06:14.440 items to talk about. Report Overall, we haven't really talked 1330 01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:17.760 about TNA impact overall that much. From last night, I 1331 01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:22.440 thought the show was a slight thumbs up. I didn't 1332 01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:25.320 really like the ending of the show, those last two segments, 1333 01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:28.440 which were stinging Jeff Jarrett. I mean, I just it 1334 01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:33.519 just feels so old and dated and just not irrelevance. 1335 01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:37.800 I mean, Jared, this entire promotion is then built around 1336 01:06:37.960 --> 01:06:40.559 making jareded look at Starr and trying to get him over. 1337 01:06:40.679 --> 01:06:43.239 For eight years it has it worked, and now you 1338 01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:46.639 have Jared and Stein kind of pretending like it's nineteen 1339 01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:50.199 ninety nine again. And this was sort of an epidemic 1340 01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:51.679 on this show, which is that a lot of this 1341 01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:53.840 show just feels kind of old and stale. You get 1342 01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:57.480 the four Horsemen now with you know what they called 1343 01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:00.480 fortune or I think go through my list of business 1344 01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:04.719 magazines to arrive at U's fortunate in my head. So 1345 01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:07.639 you've got that, You've got singing Jarrett, You've got Abyss 1346 01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:10.480 with the heel turn. Not really a big stan of that. 1347 01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:12.880 I just think they're trying to shove Abyss down the 1348 01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:15.840 viewers' throats one way or another, either either as a 1349 01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:18.599 babyface or now going back to me in a heel. 1350 01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:21.639 So I didn't like those aspects, but I still could 1351 01:07:21.679 --> 01:07:24.360 have liked the show will slight thumbs up. But what 1352 01:07:24.519 --> 01:07:26.719 was your overall impressure on the show and just sort 1353 01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:29.480 of that that fortune gimmick that they try to create 1354 01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:32.920 for some mid Carter's uh, you know, kind of playing 1355 01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:35.719 off the four horsemen and just your overall pressure on 1356 01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:36.079 the show. 1357 01:07:37.679 --> 01:07:40.199 Well, yeah, overall on the show, I think it's okay. 1358 01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:42.159 You know, it's a it's an improvement over what we've 1359 01:07:42.199 --> 01:07:44.800 seen over the last couple of weeks. It's clearly better 1360 01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:49.320 than Raw. It's it's a decent show. It's it's something 1361 01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:52.840 you can watch and not be totally embarrassed about watching, 1362 01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:55.599 like like I was watching Raw on Monday night. So 1363 01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:58.440 it's not terrible. You know, there's there's some things that 1364 01:07:58.519 --> 01:08:01.239 are good and some bad and made you know, mentioned 1365 01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:03.880 a lot of that. A couple things that really bothered me. 1366 01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:05.000 Last week. 1367 01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:09.360 We had a match with Matt Morgan in a tag 1368 01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:13.400 team match where he was beaten up by Hernandez and 1369 01:08:13.519 --> 01:08:17.720 then the band came out and pinned him. And logically, 1370 01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:21.439 why on the world would a referee allow somebody that's 1371 01:08:21.479 --> 01:08:24.199 strapped to a backboard to have a match, or why 1372 01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:26.239 would you even allow a match to start? I mean, 1373 01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:30.239 if we're trying to make this into a realistic situation, 1374 01:08:31.119 --> 01:08:33.840 wouldn't the rest stop the match because he wasn't able 1375 01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:37.920 to defend himself. I mean, he's doing that Morgan strapped 1376 01:08:37.960 --> 01:08:40.279 to a blackboard. He shouldn't. There's no way they should 1377 01:08:40.279 --> 01:08:43.520 have a match. Well, then this week you have the 1378 01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:46.880 Band being stripped of the titles because Scott Hall was fired. 1379 01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:49.119 But then a couple of weeks ago we have the 1380 01:08:49.600 --> 01:08:52.119 old free bird rules where any one of the three 1381 01:08:52.199 --> 01:08:54.920 guys could defend the belts. So why can't Eric Young 1382 01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:58.119 and Kevin Nash just defend the belts if Scott Hall 1383 01:08:58.159 --> 01:09:01.000 has been fired? So you know, there's a lot of 1384 01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:04.000 logic holes here still that need to be filled. But 1385 01:09:04.279 --> 01:09:07.159 I mean the show is progressing and doing better. I 1386 01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:12.920 like the idea of trying to elevate Kazarian and Beer 1387 01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:16.279 Money and aj Styles and Desmond Wolf into a faction 1388 01:09:16.720 --> 01:09:20.000 that there's really no factions in wrestling right now, and 1389 01:09:20.319 --> 01:09:23.279 that's something that I've always enjoyed, you know, whether it 1390 01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:26.159 be you know, the Dangerous Alliance back in the nineties, 1391 01:09:26.359 --> 01:09:32.079 or DX or the NW, you or whatever faction seems 1392 01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:35.600 to always span one or two guys out of that 1393 01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:39.399 group into a main event type level star. If they 1394 01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:42.520 can let Rick Slayer kind of stand in the background 1395 01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:45.840 like JJ Dillon type with the Four Horsemen and not 1396 01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:48.880 be the focal point, which clearly he's going to be 1397 01:09:48.960 --> 01:09:50.640 the next couple weeks when they build the pay per 1398 01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:53.720 view match. But after that, if they can get you know, 1399 01:09:54.079 --> 01:09:56.840 AJ Styles or Wolf or somebody to be the leader, 1400 01:09:57.039 --> 01:09:59.439 I think it's a great move and I would certainly 1401 01:09:59.479 --> 01:10:01.239 get behind, you know, a faction like that. 1402 01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:07.039 And those logic holes are and I think the other 1403 01:10:07.079 --> 01:10:10.840 big one was the lack of consequences to actions. You 1404 01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:15.960 have Abyss destroying Uh, you know Jeff Bardy and mister 1405 01:10:16.039 --> 01:10:18.880 Anderson the Last Night Show at the end, you know, 1406 01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:22.720 he puts Anderson through glass, injuries another wrestler in the 1407 01:10:22.760 --> 01:10:25.920 storyline and the context of the storyline, he injured Anderson, 1408 01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:29.800 and he throws Jeff Hardy off of a stage through 1409 01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:35.439 a table, and you know he's gonna be rewarded, Uh, 1410 01:10:36.039 --> 01:10:37.840 look at it that way. He's gonna be rewarded with 1411 01:10:38.039 --> 01:10:41.520 a title shot on next week's Impact when they announce 1412 01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:43.399 a four way match of the next pay per view, 1413 01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:48.319 so there's no consequences to action, and there's these gaping 1414 01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:52.079 logic holes. Like you said, Brian, they have the freebird 1415 01:10:52.159 --> 01:10:53.560 role for the tag title situation. 1416 01:10:54.359 --> 01:10:56.920 Yeah, one of them is dropped and they lose the belts. 1417 01:10:57.680 --> 01:11:00.520 Well, that doesn't make any sense. It should these things 1418 01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:03.000 where if they sat down and thought about it and 1419 01:11:03.079 --> 01:11:07.600 they didn't try to rush through storylines and they kind 1420 01:11:07.640 --> 01:11:12.119 of just wrote wrote it down, looked over it and thought, no, 1421 01:11:12.399 --> 01:11:15.399 wait a second, it doesn't make sense, I think the 1422 01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:18.720 show would seem the product overall, WOUL seemed much more credible, 1423 01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:20.920 and I think they would repaint an audience. 1424 01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:21.760 I think a lot of times that. 1425 01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:24.800 Audience just sits there and probably says, oh my gosh, 1426 01:11:24.920 --> 01:11:27.680 this is just silly. I can't even take this seriously. 1427 01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:30.520 I just want to take this show seriously and feel 1428 01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:33.640 wrapped up in the moment. And they create these sort 1429 01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:35.399 of things. I think it's the same that Devin de 1430 01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:38.600 Bean does with these A team skits that are unnecessary 1431 01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:41.600 and and w B tries to create it because they 1432 01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:44.800 want to look mainstream and hip, and they're entertainment. They're 1433 01:11:44.800 --> 01:11:48.680 not wrestling, they're relevant and pop culture they're not part 1434 01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:52.000 of the wrestling industry, and I think it just takes 1435 01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:54.680 away from the overall experience of watching a wrestling show, 1436 01:11:55.640 --> 01:11:57.640 and you know it does just sit down and think 1437 01:11:57.680 --> 01:11:59.239 about it and look at it and look at it 1438 01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:01.800 and say, no, wait a second, this isn't gonna work. 1439 01:12:01.880 --> 01:12:05.760 This doesn't work, this doesn't make sense. And too often 1440 01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:07.880 T and A has gone with what doesn't make any 1441 01:12:07.960 --> 01:12:10.680 sense at all. And I think it's hurt their product 1442 01:12:10.760 --> 01:12:13.720 just so much over time. It's it's hurt their building 1443 01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:14.560 to building an audience. 1444 01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:17.399 Yeah, I think it's hurt wrestling in general. 1445 01:12:17.560 --> 01:12:18.000 You know that. 1446 01:12:19.640 --> 01:12:21.720 I think my friends that I have, or you know, 1447 01:12:21.800 --> 01:12:24.560 we're at the gym working out, and if we put 1448 01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:27.479 UFC on one of the TVs, why everybody's watching it, 1449 01:12:27.479 --> 01:12:30.319 and everybody's into it, and it's really cool. Even if 1450 01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:33.640 wrestling comes on, you know, you usually hear your comments 1451 01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:36.079 about it something being stupid or something being fake, and 1452 01:12:36.159 --> 01:12:37.840 it just you know that if they could get to 1453 01:12:37.960 --> 01:12:41.079 a point where wrestling was cool again, but you're not 1454 01:12:41.159 --> 01:12:43.920 going to be doing that by doing some of these things, 1455 01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:46.319 like you know, you and I just talked about. You know, 1456 01:12:46.479 --> 01:12:50.119 a guy is strapped to a backboard and obviously it's 1457 01:12:50.199 --> 01:12:52.640 medically hurt. But the rep starts to match and we 1458 01:12:52.760 --> 01:12:55.319 have a match. You know what if what if they 1459 01:12:55.439 --> 01:12:57.560 decided to drop the elbows on him from the top 1460 01:12:57.680 --> 01:12:59.880 rope or Kevin Nashall and the power bombing instead of 1461 01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:03.079 just pananty that. You know, it's just stuff like that 1462 01:13:03.279 --> 01:13:05.720 just really makes a hut. 1463 01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:09.800 Sling fan sometimes, right, And there will always be those things. 1464 01:13:09.880 --> 01:13:12.960 Wrestling will always have that stigma because it's predetermined. 1465 01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:16.039 And you know, oh, you have to be an idiot 1466 01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:16.680 if you take. 1467 01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:19.399 This seriously or if you buy in and suspend disbelief. 1468 01:13:20.039 --> 01:13:21.840 You know it's not real, right, you. 1469 01:13:21.880 --> 01:13:24.319 Know, so that, but you don't have to run completely 1470 01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:29.800 the opposite direction and try to create these dramas and 1471 01:13:29.880 --> 01:13:32.800 these these sort of action sequences to try to not 1472 01:13:33.039 --> 01:13:37.239 be wrestling. You can still embrace wrestling in an incredible 1473 01:13:37.279 --> 01:13:40.279 way and present it an incredible fashion, then get people 1474 01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:42.479 to spend money when they're wrapped up and what's happening, 1475 01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:46.319 and they're able to suspend disbelief without without feeling like 1476 01:13:46.399 --> 01:13:48.840 you're trying to insult them or make them look stupid 1477 01:13:49.279 --> 01:13:54.399 for watching the show. And and I think wwe be 1478 01:13:54.439 --> 01:13:57.600 and TNA make that mistake all the time, trying to 1479 01:13:57.680 --> 01:13:59.279 be something that they don't want to be, and they 1480 01:13:59.319 --> 01:14:01.600 don't want to be wrestling, you know. 1481 01:14:02.079 --> 01:14:07.680 So Yeah, anytime you're watching ww E Raw or SmackDown 1482 01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:10.840 or aw Dynamite in particular, send us an email if 1483 01:14:10.840 --> 01:14:12.600 you've got thoughts on the show or a topic you 1484 01:14:12.640 --> 01:14:15.680 want us to address or a question for us. Wadekellor 1485 01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:21.000 Podcast at pw torch dot com. Wadkeller Podcast at pewtorch 1486 01:14:21.079 --> 01:14:23.119 dot com. If there's anything else going on in pro 1487 01:14:23.159 --> 01:14:25.119 wrestling that you want us to address on our main 1488 01:14:25.199 --> 01:14:28.880 podcast during our mailbank segments, that same email applies Wade 1489 01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:32.520 Keller Podcast at pw torch dot com. We invite that interaction, 1490 01:14:33.079 --> 01:14:34.600 let us know what you think of what we're saying, 1491 01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:36.840 and let us know what you want us to talk 1492 01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:40.640 about and ask us specific questions. Wadekeller Podcast at pw 1493 01:14:40.840 --> 01:14:41.479 torch dot com. 1494 01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:46.039 Huh, I also was going to bring up I was 1495 01:14:46.079 --> 01:14:48.319 going to bring up we'll talk a little bit a 1496 01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:53.319 lot about those sort of mainstream interviews that WWE restors 1497 01:14:53.319 --> 01:14:56.680 have been talking about. Another topic that was kind of 1498 01:14:56.720 --> 01:15:00.960 in the news on Wednesday was Batista and uh wait 1499 01:15:01.199 --> 01:15:03.640 and Jason Palell talked a little bit about this yesterday 1500 01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:07.159 on the live cast. What's what's your take on Batista 1501 01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:12.520 sort of teasing that maybe he's interested in MMA and 1502 01:15:12.760 --> 01:15:16.479 and maybe there's rumors of him possibly being offered a 1503 01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:21.039 deal by Strikeforce, so maybe get a couple of fights. 1504 01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:25.840 Forty one years old, history of injuries, no real formal 1505 01:15:25.960 --> 01:15:29.079 training in the sport. I mean, he's not gonna get 1506 01:15:29.159 --> 01:15:31.119 by in just his size. You know, that's just not 1507 01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:35.880 gonna work. What's your take on the percentage of Batista 1508 01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:38.199 ever setting foot in an m and A ring for 1509 01:15:38.199 --> 01:15:39.000 an official fight. 1510 01:15:40.399 --> 01:15:42.800 I think it's less than Kurd Angle doing that. You know, 1511 01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:44.800 you could see Kurt Angle doing it because he's got 1512 01:15:44.840 --> 01:15:49.239 the wrestling background, he's got that wrestler's mentality. Well, you 1513 01:15:49.399 --> 01:15:51.560 have to be just so mentally tough to make it 1514 01:15:51.640 --> 01:15:58.560 in MMA. But with Batista, with his his mentality is 1515 01:15:59.039 --> 01:16:01.279 like you said, his injured, his age, the fact that 1516 01:16:01.359 --> 01:16:04.439 he's never wrestled on a competitive level like you have 1517 01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:07.600 to be to be competitive in MMA, I think it's 1518 01:16:07.760 --> 01:16:12.159 very very doubtful he'll ever step foot inside a cage. 1519 01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:14.000 And if it is, I think it's you know, it's 1520 01:16:14.039 --> 01:16:17.199 gonna be more of an attraction type of an event. 1521 01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:20.720 You know, you do have to look at some standpoint. 1522 01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:23.600 Crucial Walker forty eight years old. He didn't have any 1523 01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:28.279 wrestling background, but was in tremendous shape, trained and ended 1524 01:16:28.359 --> 01:16:30.760 up fighting at least one time, and maybe he will 1525 01:16:31.399 --> 01:16:37.359 again for Strikeforce. It's not impossible that they'll offer Batista 1526 01:16:37.359 --> 01:16:41.039 a deal because you know, a name like his would 1527 01:16:41.119 --> 01:16:44.239 arouse a lot of curiosity, and that's what Strikeforce is 1528 01:16:44.319 --> 01:16:46.920 looking for, is that curiosity factor. You know, they've let 1529 01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:51.760 the Canseco do a match and he has probably less 1530 01:16:51.800 --> 01:16:55.079 business than than Batista in the ring, But you'll never 1531 01:16:55.119 --> 01:16:58.119 I don't think you'll see Batista at the level of 1532 01:16:58.239 --> 01:17:02.079 a UFC event, where you have to be much better 1533 01:17:02.920 --> 01:17:05.479 of a fighter than what the what Strike Force is 1534 01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:08.039 willing to put on for a show. So I could 1535 01:17:08.079 --> 01:17:11.399 see him him possibly doing it. And apparently he's lost 1536 01:17:11.479 --> 01:17:14.439 a lot of weight since he's left w W and 1537 01:17:14.680 --> 01:17:18.279 and uh, you know, hate to say say this, but they. 1538 01:17:18.039 --> 01:17:19.520 Do drug testing in m m A. 1539 01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:24.239 So yeah, when I when I heard about that, I 1540 01:17:24.600 --> 01:17:26.920 believe they melts A reported that on the rest of observer, 1541 01:17:27.079 --> 01:17:29.600 I thought, oh, oh, I guess you know, you leave 1542 01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:34.119 WW and uh, you kind of you drop weight because 1543 01:17:34.119 --> 01:17:36.560 you're trying to get into acting and you're not really 1544 01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:39.880 bulking up, and maybe you're not trying to find a 1545 01:17:39.960 --> 01:17:44.079 way around the wellness policy. I'm not saying he was. 1546 01:17:44.359 --> 01:17:46.159 You know, we don't have any proofs. I'm just saying 1547 01:17:46.840 --> 01:17:50.359 that there are ways around that wellness policy as uh 1548 01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:53.079 during the bid walk coverage that had I believe someone 1549 01:17:53.199 --> 01:17:57.239 equated it to you know, Swiss cheese with poles just 1550 01:17:57.359 --> 01:17:58.439 all over that policy. 1551 01:17:58.560 --> 01:18:02.800 So very my favorite, my favorite line as a guy 1552 01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:06.840 who says life never failed a test. Well, yeah, that 1553 01:18:07.000 --> 01:18:10.239 that may be true. You've never failed, but have you 1554 01:18:10.279 --> 01:18:10.920 ever taken one? 1555 01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:11.119 You know? 1556 01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:13.960 Or or what type of tests have you have? You 1557 01:18:14.039 --> 01:18:16.239 Bacon heres, There's there's a big difference on how they 1558 01:18:16.399 --> 01:18:17.840 phrase their answers to that question. 1559 01:18:18.680 --> 01:18:22.079 That's Scott Steiner's favorite line. When anybody ever brings it up, 1560 01:18:22.119 --> 01:18:28.399 he says, well, I've never failed a test, go for it. Never, 1561 01:18:28.560 --> 01:18:29.720 I've never been put in jail. 1562 01:18:29.760 --> 01:18:31.520 But it doesn't mean I haven't broken you know, I 1563 01:18:31.600 --> 01:18:33.479 haven't been seating or broken law either. 1564 01:18:33.640 --> 01:18:40.399 So right, yeah, yeah, but let's wrap up with I 1565 01:18:40.479 --> 01:18:42.720 guess just a final word on the pay per view 1566 01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:47.239 on Sunday. Do you recommend it as a skippable? Is 1567 01:18:47.279 --> 01:18:51.520 there enough intrigue with the NXT deals maybe warrens a 1568 01:18:51.720 --> 01:18:54.439 buy or maybe gathering a group of guys together or 1569 01:18:54.520 --> 01:18:57.960 gals and supporting that that cost what what's your take 1570 01:18:58.039 --> 01:19:01.159 on whether it's a kind of what kind of month 1571 01:19:01.279 --> 01:19:04.079 is it in terms of whether forty four dollars is 1572 01:19:04.119 --> 01:19:05.600 worth the price of admission? 1573 01:19:06.960 --> 01:19:08.279 You know, I think there's probably gonna be a lot 1574 01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:10.600 of people that are gonna skip this paper view because 1575 01:19:10.600 --> 01:19:14.479 there isn't that emotional attachment that that's needed to uh, 1576 01:19:14.960 --> 01:19:16.880 you know, to buy it. I think if you can 1577 01:19:16.960 --> 01:19:19.760 get together with a group of friends and you want 1578 01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:22.319 to hang out with them, there's no UFC event that's 1579 01:19:22.319 --> 01:19:24.960 gonna draw that type of an event or crowd away. 1580 01:19:25.359 --> 01:19:26.960 So there will be some people that will do that 1581 01:19:27.079 --> 01:19:30.680 type of purchasing and get together, you know, you know, 1582 01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:32.199 it'll be a lot of fun. I think to do that. 1583 01:19:33.239 --> 01:19:35.640 But I think for the average viewer who's going to 1584 01:19:35.680 --> 01:19:37.520 watch it in their house, they're probably gonna pass on 1585 01:19:37.640 --> 01:19:41.199 this one just there's just not a real intriguing matchup 1586 01:19:42.359 --> 01:19:45.279 or emotional emotional investment in this uh in this event, 1587 01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:47.600 So I think the Bier eight won't be very because 1588 01:19:47.640 --> 01:19:48.560 it's this time around. 1589 01:19:49.560 --> 01:19:50.039 I agree. 1590 01:19:50.239 --> 01:19:52.079 I think it's one of those pay per views where 1591 01:19:52.720 --> 01:19:55.359 you can skip it and you can read about what happened, 1592 01:19:55.479 --> 01:19:57.760 and then you can see maybe highlights on Raw the 1593 01:19:57.800 --> 01:20:00.640 next night, and you probably won't feel like you missed out. 1594 01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:03.960 I mean borrowing a major angle. I mean that they've 1595 01:20:03.960 --> 01:20:06.920 been hyping it as anything could happen, So unless there 1596 01:20:07.000 --> 01:20:10.359 is something historic that happens that you're gonna feel bad 1597 01:20:10.439 --> 01:20:13.039 that you didn't get to see. I really don't think 1598 01:20:13.119 --> 01:20:15.600 this paper B lineup is strong enough for war to buy. 1599 01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:19.199 I think it's a I'll read about it online and 1600 01:20:19.439 --> 01:20:22.640 I'll see highlights on Raw the next night, but I 1601 01:20:22.760 --> 01:20:24.920 really don't think it's worth spending forty five dollars on. 1602 01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:27.039 That's kind of the vibe I gets this month, which 1603 01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:31.560 seems to be happening all too much lately since wrestle Mania. 1604 01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:34.279 They've had three pay per views since WrestleMania, counting on Sunday, 1605 01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:36.279 and I think all three of them have kind of 1606 01:20:36.359 --> 01:20:41.039 been well. It's a good decent maybe maybe a strong lineup, 1607 01:20:41.159 --> 01:20:45.840 but is there really worth ordering and watching? Maybe not so, 1608 01:20:46.960 --> 01:20:49.239 and I don't think there's anything can happen for a 1609 01:20:49.520 --> 01:20:52.199 concept is helping that at all. I think it's reinforcing 1610 01:20:52.840 --> 01:20:55.520 that these are kind of skippable pay per views because 1611 01:20:55.520 --> 01:20:58.600 there isn't that real intriguing one on one matchup that 1612 01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:02.680 is since centered around an issue that's been building for 1613 01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:05.720 months and months or has been really hot on TV, 1614 01:21:05.800 --> 01:21:07.399 and it just isn't that matchup this month. 1615 01:21:07.920 --> 01:21:10.199 And yeah, you can get together with your friends and 1616 01:21:10.319 --> 01:21:13.039 kick in five bucks for the pay per view, you'll 1617 01:21:13.039 --> 01:21:14.960 probably do it. And if you've got to sit it 1618 01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:16.840 home by yourself and a lot tip through forty five, 1619 01:21:16.880 --> 01:21:17.960 you'll probably will skip it. 1620 01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:24.199 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Let's wrap up on some Nostalgia news 1621 01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:26.800 and notes. Grizzly Smith was in the news. 1622 01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:27.760 He died. 1623 01:21:28.920 --> 01:21:30.520 I guess it was last week. I guess it's been 1624 01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:34.359 a week since then, and you covered him on your 1625 01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:38.239 on the Nostalgia Podcast and George Shire this week also 1626 01:21:38.319 --> 01:21:41.479 you had some news and notes on the Waterloo Hall 1627 01:21:41.520 --> 01:21:45.840 of Fame with that roundtable panel. So Brian, go ahead 1628 01:21:45.880 --> 01:21:48.520 and go ahead and touch on those topics on Grizzly 1629 01:21:48.560 --> 01:21:49.600 Smith and that roundtable. 1630 01:21:50.680 --> 01:21:54.159 Yeah, we talked about this on the Nostalgia Podcast this week. 1631 01:21:54.279 --> 01:21:56.279 So if fams want to go back in and listen 1632 01:21:56.319 --> 01:21:59.439 to more of what George and I talked about Grizzly Smith, 1633 01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:04.079 you certainly welcome to. In the VIP session, we touched 1634 01:22:04.119 --> 01:22:07.680 on him real briefly. His career spanned mostly the sixties 1635 01:22:07.720 --> 01:22:11.520 and seventies. He you know, is known as one half 1636 01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:15.359 of the Kentuckians, kind of a hillbilly type gimmick. He 1637 01:22:16.279 --> 01:22:18.840 was built as being six' ten three point. Fifty george 1638 01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:21.560 had seen him down wrestling down In oklahoma and he 1639 01:22:22.079 --> 01:22:24.039 thought maybe he was a six, five six to six 1640 01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:27.880 type of. Guy and you, know of course we're always 1641 01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:30.439 exaggerating wrestling a little bit twenty thirty pounds on the, 1642 01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:35.039 weight several inches in, heights and so his best known 1643 01:22:35.239 --> 01:22:36.760 as a part of the tag, team had a lot 1644 01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:39.479 of interaction with The assassins and drew some money for 1645 01:22:39.600 --> 01:22:42.920 about a decade of wrestling Against Jody hamilton as one 1646 01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:45.279 part of The. Assassins of, course he is the father 1647 01:22:45.359 --> 01:22:48.600 Of Jake roberts and also the father to two other 1648 01:22:48.640 --> 01:22:50.880 wrestlers not quite as well known As Jake, roberts by 1649 01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:53.680 the name Of Sam houston And rock And, robins so, 1650 01:22:54.880 --> 01:22:56.640 yeah fans may remember. 1651 01:22:56.720 --> 01:22:57.039 Him and. 1652 01:22:59.199 --> 01:23:02.039 As far as the, water The hall Of fame did 1653 01:23:02.199 --> 01:23:05.760 quite a bit of talking with some guys this. Year 1654 01:23:05.760 --> 01:23:08.000 i'm in charge of getting the roundtable lined. Up we 1655 01:23:08.079 --> 01:23:13.279 got to finalize this. Week we've Got Tom, andrews who 1656 01:23:13.640 --> 01:23:16.840 wrestled as The claw in a lot of. Areas he 1657 01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:19.399 also wrestled as The intern under a, mask and so 1658 01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:22.199 he's gonna be on the. Panel baron Von rafski is 1659 01:23:22.239 --> 01:23:24.159 going to be on the panel as, Well so we'll 1660 01:23:24.199 --> 01:23:27.039 have The claw and The Claw master on the, panel 1661 01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:30.960 and we'll also Have Terry, Funk So i'll be doing 1662 01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:34.000 the moderating of the, panel and and we'll have three 1663 01:23:34.079 --> 01:23:38.079 guys who really worked a lot of the, territories uh you, 1664 01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:41.640 know From Saint louis And Central states and THE, awa 1665 01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:44.800 and of course The funks owned The Amarillo territory In, 1666 01:23:44.840 --> 01:23:47.680 texas And terry worked, everywhere and guys worked In canada And. 1667 01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:51.279 Japan so all these guys are gonna be great experts 1668 01:23:51.359 --> 01:23:55.279 to talk about our our topic of restling. Territory so 1669 01:23:55.760 --> 01:23:57.760 that's gonna be a fun event coming up in a 1670 01:23:57.840 --> 01:24:02.159 couple of, weeks and that will be made into a COMMEMORATIVE. 1671 01:24:02.199 --> 01:24:05.000 Dvd i've been finalizing that this week as, well and 1672 01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:08.399 also want to let our coach listeners know THAT i 1673 01:24:08.520 --> 01:24:12.239 talked With Scott Slash, norton who a lot of fans 1674 01:24:12.279 --> 01:24:15.960 may remember from A vicious And delicious tag, team was About, 1675 01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:19.399 bagwell part of THE nWo and he is going to 1676 01:24:19.479 --> 01:24:23.119 be a guest next week with me on The Nostalgia 1677 01:24:23.199 --> 01:24:26.359 podcast Toward george is taking a week off of vacation, 1678 01:24:26.560 --> 01:24:29.119 time So slash is going to take his spot and 1679 01:24:29.119 --> 01:24:30.640 we're going to talk about his career next. 1680 01:24:30.680 --> 01:24:34.279 Week very, nice that's a that's a good. Get SO 1681 01:24:35.279 --> 01:24:37.199 i know he's, well he's been In. JAPAN i MEAN 1682 01:24:37.199 --> 01:24:39.479 i follow him On twitter AND i know he kind 1683 01:24:39.520 --> 01:24:42.359 of tweets about being In japan all the. TIME i 1684 01:24:42.439 --> 01:24:44.760 think he was In he might have been In mexico 1685 01:24:45.319 --> 01:24:48.199 a couple of weeks ago or something Of Giant. Bernard but, 1686 01:24:48.319 --> 01:24:52.720 yeah that should be a very interesting conversation With. Norton 1687 01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:54.159 do you know what kind of topics y'all got to 1688 01:24:54.159 --> 01:24:57.760 be covering or kind of a career, span kind of 1689 01:24:58.520 --> 01:25:02.239 recap in his entire, career recent. Events what's gonna gonna 1690 01:25:02.279 --> 01:25:03.800 be the topic or the. 1691 01:25:03.880 --> 01:25:08.239 Conversation, YEAH i had emailed being today some topics of 1692 01:25:08.840 --> 01:25:11.439 ideas that we're gonna talk, about and mostly gonna be 1693 01:25:11.439 --> 01:25:14.079 about his career and, uh you, know things that he 1694 01:25:14.159 --> 01:25:17.560 saw backstage and his. Accomplishments AND i would actually, uh 1695 01:25:17.720 --> 01:25:20.039 Any torch listeners out there that have a question For, 1696 01:25:20.119 --> 01:25:22.680 scott you can email me And i'll be glad to 1697 01:25:23.079 --> 01:25:27.000 Ask scott anything. Specifically Torch nostalgia at gmail dot com 1698 01:25:27.600 --> 01:25:30.600 would be my email, address and, yeah it's just gonna 1699 01:25:30.600 --> 01:25:34.239 be a mainly focused on his. Career and he originally From, 1700 01:25:34.279 --> 01:25:38.000 minneapolis is now living in uh In, Tennessee nashville area 1701 01:25:38.239 --> 01:25:40.560 with to be with his father who's been diagnosed with. 1702 01:25:40.680 --> 01:25:43.119 Cancer so he's out living out there with him and 1703 01:25:43.159 --> 01:25:43.840 his wife now. 1704 01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:48.880 Very. Good so that's a nice scoop to to close 1705 01:25:48.920 --> 01:25:49.239 the show. 1706 01:25:49.279 --> 01:25:50.920 On so that will be. 1707 01:25:51.039 --> 01:25:53.000 Up uh do you know what you're doing the interview 1708 01:25:53.000 --> 01:25:54.880 where you're gonna have the interview up for the FOR 1709 01:25:55.039 --> 01:25:55.479 vip of. 1710 01:25:55.560 --> 01:25:59.119 Members, Well i'm gonna do it tomorrow or no, excuse 1711 01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:02.119 you want to do it On monday With scott because 1712 01:26:02.159 --> 01:26:05.279 he is then traveling back To. Minneapolis so that was 1713 01:26:05.319 --> 01:26:07.760 really about the only time it would work Now george 1714 01:26:07.920 --> 01:26:11.399 is gonna be here next, week so we'll probably archive 1715 01:26:11.520 --> 01:26:14.560 that podcast until the twenty, EIGHTH i, believe BECAUSE i 1716 01:26:14.600 --> 01:26:17.520 don't have another guest for that. Week So scott will 1717 01:26:17.560 --> 01:26:20.319 be interviewed next week and then put on The torch 1718 01:26:20.399 --> 01:26:22.439 THE ip section a week after that most. 1719 01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:27.000 Likely very, good very, Good so a good good note 1720 01:26:27.079 --> 01:26:29.880 to clothes On, brian and thanks again for joining me 1721 01:26:29.960 --> 01:26:32.640 today and we'll definitely hear from you next. Week and 1722 01:26:32.720 --> 01:26:36.640 of course everyone in The TORCH vip audio section can 1723 01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:41.079 listen To brian's interview With Scott norton in a couple of, 1724 01:26:41.119 --> 01:26:45.680 weeks and we'll have more details on The hall Of 1725 01:26:45.800 --> 01:26:49.279 fame In, Waterloo iowa And brian's involvement in that roundtable 1726 01:26:49.760 --> 01:26:53.439 in the coming weeks before. That So, brian thanks again for, 1727 01:26:53.800 --> 01:26:56.399 costing and we want to thank everyone for listening and 1728 01:26:56.479 --> 01:27:01.079 supporting The TORCH Vip audio. Section and until next. Time 1729 01:27:01.159 --> 01:27:04.079 this Is Swortch assistant Editor James. Caldwell sign it. 1730 01:27:04.159 --> 01:27:10.960 Off are you a nostalgic wrestling? Fan do you want 1731 01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:13.279 to hear about shows you haven't seen in, ten, twenty 1732 01:27:13.399 --> 01:27:15.840 maybe even thirty? Years, WELL i have the show for. 1733 01:27:15.960 --> 01:27:20.000 You i'm pwtorch Dot com Contributor Frank pettyanni and Since 1734 01:27:20.039 --> 01:27:22.960 december of twenty, Twenty i've Hosted Pro Wrestling then And 1735 01:27:23.039 --> 01:27:26.199 now together with a rotating chair of co. Hosts we 1736 01:27:26.359 --> 01:27:28.840 go back and review old shows from top to, bottom 1737 01:27:29.159 --> 01:27:31.479 talk about where the wrestlers were at the time and 1738 01:27:31.640 --> 01:27:34.479 compare what's taking place now to what took. Place then 1739 01:27:35.039 --> 01:27:37.399 you can hear this along with other shows as part 1740 01:27:37.439 --> 01:27:41.279 of YOUR Pw TORTCH vip membership with exclusive podcasts just 1741 01:27:41.359 --> 01:27:45.920 for members compatible with The Apple podcast. App visit pwtorch dot, 1742 01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:49.079 com Slash go vip for details and sign up form. 1743 01:27:55.520 --> 01:28:14.359 Radio you're listening to THE Pw towards live. 1744 01:28:14.520 --> 01:28:18.920 CAST i AM pw Torchs assistant Editor James caldwell hosting 1745 01:28:19.000 --> 01:28:21.800 today And i'm joined By. Torch call him Is Greg. Parks, 1746 01:28:22.239 --> 01:28:23.760 greg how are you doing on a Fine monday? 1747 01:28:23.840 --> 01:28:26.319 Night i'm doing one Of james AND i just want 1748 01:28:26.359 --> 01:28:27.560 to SAY i want to come out and say this 1749 01:28:27.720 --> 01:28:29.199 right out the. BAT i know there's a lot of 1750 01:28:29.279 --> 01:28:33.439 controversy with last night's post paper view round table Between 1751 01:28:33.479 --> 01:28:35.439 wade And bruce that is currently being hashed out on 1752 01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:39.319 THE vip. Forums ON pw torch dot. COM i just 1753 01:28:39.359 --> 01:28:41.640 want to, SAY i don't want our show to be 1754 01:28:41.720 --> 01:28:44.239 that contentions, today contentious today. GAMES i think we can 1755 01:28:44.279 --> 01:28:46.920 get along side for one hour before how about. 1756 01:28:46.960 --> 01:28:49.560 That, yeah we're not doing a, chat so we're not 1757 01:28:49.600 --> 01:28:54.319 gonna yell at each other via keystrokes and words and 1758 01:28:54.439 --> 01:28:57.359 phrases on a. Keyboard so we're gonna try to keep it. 1759 01:28:57.479 --> 01:28:59.840 CIVIL i think we can both agree to. That to, say, 1760 01:29:00.199 --> 01:29:06.000 So i'm on. More i'm more if if you're not 1761 01:29:06.079 --> 01:29:08.479 A TOWARDS vip member and you want to know about 1762 01:29:08.520 --> 01:29:12.880 this contentious post pay per view roundtable Between Bruce mitcheul 1763 01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:15.720 And Wade keller along With pat, McNeil that is available 1764 01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:18.880 For TOWARDS vip members and p TO b towards dot. 1765 01:29:18.960 --> 01:29:22.520 Com Slash GO vip is your info for finding out 1766 01:29:22.560 --> 01:29:25.960 how to subscribe to A vip membership to access last 1767 01:29:26.039 --> 01:29:29.560 night's post pay per view. Roundtable, So, greg you AND 1768 01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:31.159 i are also gonna be talking about the pay per 1769 01:29:31.239 --> 01:29:34.119 view for the listeners coming up with about fifty nine 1770 01:29:34.199 --> 01:29:36.920 minutes and so raw at the top of the hour 1771 01:29:36.960 --> 01:29:39.560 at nine O'clock, eastern what was what was your overall 1772 01:29:39.600 --> 01:29:41.560 thought on that pay per view last? Night did you 1773 01:29:42.119 --> 01:29:45.680 think it was a step in the right, direction a step, 1774 01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:49.439 back or just sort of another pay per view on 1775 01:29:49.479 --> 01:29:50.000 the calendar FOR. 1776 01:29:50.199 --> 01:29:52.520 WWE i found this to. 1777 01:29:52.560 --> 01:29:56.159 Be more of a holding pattern type pay per. View you, 1778 01:29:56.239 --> 01:30:00.199 know there wasn't a. Lot it really felt like the 1779 01:30:00.279 --> 01:30:02.079 focus WAS i was on the mid. Card there's a 1780 01:30:02.119 --> 01:30:03.880 lot of mid card stuff. Happening there are only five, 1781 01:30:03.920 --> 01:30:06.640 matches and ounce ahead of time cart did not look 1782 01:30:06.680 --> 01:30:09.800 that's strong going. In so if you ordered the event 1783 01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:12.319 with that, feeling you may have been pleasantly. SURPRISED i, 1784 01:30:12.359 --> 01:30:14.359 mean there were some good. Matches The SmackDown Four way 1785 01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:19.600 was was good bourg In, jericho probably arguably the best 1786 01:30:19.640 --> 01:30:22.159 match of the, night and of course they're there all 1787 01:30:22.239 --> 01:30:27.119 Four way was also, another, uh pretty decent. Match you 1788 01:30:27.199 --> 01:30:29.640 had some disappointments on the, shelf for, sure one of 1789 01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:34.439 them being our troopers of the miss another one being 1790 01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:37.760 the involvement of THE nxt. CREW i think there's you 1791 01:30:37.800 --> 01:30:40.520 could consider that a, disappointment being that you know they 1792 01:30:41.079 --> 01:30:44.479 they did have a hand in the Ww championship, match 1793 01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:48.000 specifically the result of. It but if you were looking 1794 01:30:48.079 --> 01:30:51.439 at this event for really the coming out party for 1795 01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:54.560 THE nxc season, one rookies as far as really getting 1796 01:30:54.600 --> 01:30:58.720 put over uh more similarly to their first attack On 1797 01:30:58.920 --> 01:31:02.199 raw two weeks, ago three weeks ago, now but then 1798 01:31:02.199 --> 01:31:04.920 you were probably disappointed they didn't appear in the show 1799 01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:08.479 until that main. Event Brett hard wasn't. There so the 1800 01:31:08.920 --> 01:31:14.560 much hyped segment On raw last week Where Waite barrett 1801 01:31:14.560 --> 01:31:17.159 in THE Nxt season one crew demanded an answer From 1802 01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:20.800 brett hardabout ONCE i think get contracts This sunday didn't. 1803 01:31:20.840 --> 01:31:24.039 Happen SO i don't know if they're gonna continue that 1804 01:31:24.119 --> 01:31:25.880 On raw tonight or what the deal is with, that 1805 01:31:25.960 --> 01:31:27.279 BUT i guess we'll have to tune in and find. 1806 01:31:27.319 --> 01:31:32.239 Out, YEAH i imagine the follow up will BE i 1807 01:31:32.279 --> 01:31:34.720 imagine there will be decent follow up tonight ON. RAW 1808 01:31:34.840 --> 01:31:38.880 i think they're gonna save a lot of the developments 1809 01:31:38.920 --> 01:31:40.840 for tonight's show as opposed to having a lot of 1810 01:31:40.880 --> 01:31:43.640 it on last night's, show the mentality, being, well not 1811 01:31:43.720 --> 01:31:45.199 a whole lot of people are watching the pay per 1812 01:31:45.319 --> 01:31:48.560 view compared to our OUR tv, show so we'll say 1813 01:31:48.640 --> 01:31:52.039 more of the storyline For raw the next. Night BUT i, really, 1814 01:31:52.560 --> 01:31:55.479 really really really disagree with the booking of that main. 1815 01:31:55.520 --> 01:31:58.039 Event any taking the belt Off. SCENA i, mean if 1816 01:31:58.039 --> 01:32:00.920 you're gonna think the belt Off swagger and put On Raymond, 1817 01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:03.840 serial at least one of your top champions needs a, 1818 01:32:04.159 --> 01:32:08.359 lengthy decent title. Run they have hot shotted so many 1819 01:32:08.479 --> 01:32:11.319 title changes in twenty, ten even going back to last. 1820 01:32:11.399 --> 01:32:15.000 Year they needed someone just to have some stability at 1821 01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:16.920 the top of the card in terms of being a 1822 01:32:17.000 --> 01:32:20.079 long term. CHAMPION i really disagreed with taking the belt 1823 01:32:20.159 --> 01:32:23.680 off Both swagger And sena on the same night and 1824 01:32:24.079 --> 01:32:26.439 not even in a clean. FINISH i, Mean caine did 1825 01:32:26.479 --> 01:32:28.239 a run in during the during The world title, match 1826 01:32:28.279 --> 01:32:30.399 and he have THE nxt rookies did their run in 1827 01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:32.319 and seam that's kind of you, know sneaks in the 1828 01:32:32.359 --> 01:32:35.279 back door Of pennasina to get the ww. TITLE i 1829 01:32:35.359 --> 01:32:37.199 just disagree with that, book and especially out of pay 1830 01:32:37.239 --> 01:32:39.880 per view people paying forty five. Dollars i'm going to 1831 01:32:39.960 --> 01:32:42.840 at least deliver one clean, finish even one of your 1832 01:32:42.880 --> 01:32:43.439 two marquee. 1833 01:32:43.479 --> 01:32:46.199 Matchups and you know the Fun the funny thing about 1834 01:32:46.199 --> 01:32:50.359 that is that the announcers spend so much time hyping 1835 01:32:50.439 --> 01:32:52.600 up that the champion only had a twenty five percent 1836 01:32:52.760 --> 01:32:55.319 chance every TEAMING i, mean they hyped it up on 1837 01:32:55.479 --> 01:32:57.760 every show for the nast two or three weeks leading 1838 01:32:57.840 --> 01:33:00.159 up to the to the actual pay per, view and 1839 01:33:00.640 --> 01:33:04.479 In wweland that easily is signaled to the viewer that 1840 01:33:05.359 --> 01:33:07.840 at least one of these champions is going to, retain you, 1841 01:33:07.880 --> 01:33:09.960 know because the announcers are never. Right just look at you, 1842 01:33:10.039 --> 01:33:12.560 know when they're calling a cover and, oh he's got him, 1843 01:33:12.600 --> 01:33:14.199 here this is, it and then to kick out of. 1844 01:33:14.279 --> 01:33:17.920 Course so it's like When homer wrote on and paying 1845 01:33:17.960 --> 01:33:19.800 them The, simpsons to the opposite of What bart tells. 1846 01:33:19.840 --> 01:33:21.359 You you wanted, to right on your, hand to the 1847 01:33:21.520 --> 01:33:23.840 opposite or think the opposite of what the announcers, say 1848 01:33:24.880 --> 01:33:26.880 and so you're always so you almost came into the 1849 01:33:26.920 --> 01:33:31.399 event expecting champions to, retain and you're right that that 1850 01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:33.560 would have been especially For, swagger that would have been 1851 01:33:33.720 --> 01:33:38.319 the right move And, sina but for different. Reasons, sina 1852 01:33:38.399 --> 01:33:41.279 because that Ww, championships like you, said been hotshotted so 1853 01:33:41.319 --> 01:33:43.520 many times and been around the wate of so many 1854 01:33:43.560 --> 01:33:46.319 different competitors the last few months that it really needs 1855 01:33:46.359 --> 01:33:50.039 to stay on someone for several. Months i'm tucking six. 1856 01:33:50.119 --> 01:33:54.479 Months For, swagger it's more of you, know he's done 1857 01:33:54.560 --> 01:33:57.199 well with the. Title he's lost a lot OF tv 1858 01:33:57.359 --> 01:34:01.439 matches and that belt was the THING hm. Credibility now 1859 01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:04.159 where does he go from? HERE i think it's a 1860 01:34:04.239 --> 01:34:09.520 nice reward For Ring mysterio for BASICALLY wwe calling him 1861 01:34:09.560 --> 01:34:12.000 back from a vacation they promised him because of The undertaker's. 1862 01:34:12.039 --> 01:34:14.760 Injuries SO i GUESS i suppose it's a nice gesture. 1863 01:34:14.800 --> 01:34:17.800 There the thing to remember when we're talking about this 1864 01:34:18.159 --> 01:34:20.399 and the reason for all the hotshots booking and the 1865 01:34:20.479 --> 01:34:23.640 titles changing hands so constantly is because things changed IN 1866 01:34:23.760 --> 01:34:26.680 wwe as far as, creative from probably hour to, hour 1867 01:34:26.760 --> 01:34:29.159 let alone day to. Day And vince McMann is well 1868 01:34:29.279 --> 01:34:32.680 known for changing his mind several, times getting hot and 1869 01:34:32.760 --> 01:34:34.279 cold on a rest part at a moment's notice with 1870 01:34:34.399 --> 01:34:38.199 little or no. Reason so that could be one of 1871 01:34:38.239 --> 01:34:40.840 the explanations for why the title changes hands so. Often 1872 01:34:40.960 --> 01:34:44.680 is The evince just you, know ww is his. Plaything 1873 01:34:44.720 --> 01:34:47.640 he's not satisfied with with what's going on for whatever 1874 01:34:47.720 --> 01:34:50.359 reason that he comes up within his, head so he 1875 01:34:50.439 --> 01:34:53.680 wants to change the belt and keep things, interesting. 1876 01:34:54.600 --> 01:34:57.079 Right and they also that jagline about you, know this 1877 01:34:57.239 --> 01:34:59.159 is the night where anything could, happen and they felt 1878 01:34:59.199 --> 01:35:03.079 the need to peraps fulfill that advertising that they hammered 1879 01:35:03.119 --> 01:35:06.359 home on media interviews and ON. TV i JUST i 1880 01:35:06.680 --> 01:35:10.880 just really disagree with A burrow business. PERSPECTIVE i, mean 1881 01:35:10.960 --> 01:35:13.119 it really could have had a really nice pay per 1882 01:35:13.199 --> 01:35:15.600 view main event, two, three four months down the road 1883 01:35:15.640 --> 01:35:18.760 If seena had kept that belt or Even, swagger uh you, 1884 01:35:18.800 --> 01:35:21.039 know for six seven months like you, Said, greg and 1885 01:35:21.159 --> 01:35:24.680 then had this strong one on one. Matchup now you're 1886 01:35:24.680 --> 01:35:27.079 gonna have to go back to just resetting instead of 1887 01:35:27.119 --> 01:35:30.000 resetting both of your title. PICTURES i, Mean swagger's gonna 1888 01:35:30.039 --> 01:35:32.479 get his. Rematch scene's gonna get his. Rematch we're not 1889 01:35:32.560 --> 01:35:34.439 sure if they're gonna save it from money to, bank 1890 01:35:34.479 --> 01:35:37.720 maybe give it away ON. Tv BUT i, mean just 1891 01:35:37.800 --> 01:35:40.439 some consistency at the top of the. Card they need 1892 01:35:40.560 --> 01:35:42.840 that it for. BUSINESS i, mean they don't have a 1893 01:35:42.960 --> 01:35:45.680 lot of, stars they don't have a a dearth of 1894 01:35:45.840 --> 01:35:48.479 star power where they can just you, know hotshot the 1895 01:35:48.520 --> 01:35:50.880 belts around and depend on the stars and out. Business 1896 01:35:51.319 --> 01:35:54.399 they need a strong quest a strong, champion some you, 1897 01:35:54.479 --> 01:35:57.600 know just a strong storyline that brings some stability to 1898 01:35:57.680 --> 01:36:00.000 the top of the. Card THE nxt deal is fine 1899 01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:03.159 line for great in some intrig FOR. Tv you, know 1900 01:36:03.199 --> 01:36:06.640 you get seeing it being chased by seven young rookie. 1901 01:36:06.760 --> 01:36:09.039 Upstars so that's a that's a good storyline FOR tv, 1902 01:36:09.199 --> 01:36:12.079 Purposes BUT i still think you need a strong, champion 1903 01:36:12.560 --> 01:36:14.159 and and THEN i don't see seam as being the 1904 01:36:14.199 --> 01:36:16.119 guy that keep the belts on for a. WHILE i 1905 01:36:16.159 --> 01:36:18.079 don't See ray being the guy that keep the belts 1906 01:36:18.119 --> 01:36:20.960 on for a. WHILE i, mean you cover Smack down 1907 01:36:20.960 --> 01:36:23.119 Every friday, Night, rag what do you make of where 1908 01:36:23.159 --> 01:36:27.039 they're gonna go With ray's? Champion do you where do 1909 01:36:27.079 --> 01:36:28.920 you See smudger getting his? Rematch do you see a 1910 01:36:28.960 --> 01:36:31.479 big show staying in that? Picture where to see him 1911 01:36:31.479 --> 01:36:33.319 punk go from? HERE i mean they seem to set 1912 01:36:33.399 --> 01:36:35.359 up a cane and see him punk viewed yet. Again 1913 01:36:36.439 --> 01:36:38.359 but once you're taking the direction of Smack, dinner where 1914 01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:38.920 they're going from? 1915 01:36:38.960 --> 01:36:42.479 Here, yeah based on the hype going into this four 1916 01:36:42.520 --> 01:36:45.199 way match this Past, sunday it almost really not Like 1917 01:36:45.640 --> 01:36:50.960 punk And mysterios feud once. Settled Uh so you know 1918 01:36:51.479 --> 01:36:55.880 my pick would be for my own reasons and match 1919 01:36:55.960 --> 01:36:59.560 quality being probably very high on the, list punk and 1920 01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:03.520 the feuding over the. Belt, however you know you don't 1921 01:37:03.560 --> 01:37:06.520 Want swagger to be too far out of the, picture 1922 01:37:07.079 --> 01:37:09.119 because LIKE i, said he's earned it with his performance 1923 01:37:09.159 --> 01:37:11.439 on THE mic and and The rain is, champion so 1924 01:37:12.239 --> 01:37:14.840 you kind of want to stick him. CLOSE i suppose 1925 01:37:14.920 --> 01:37:17.520 this give The big show could. Continue but then you 1926 01:37:17.560 --> 01:37:19.399 brought up a good point With kine attacking to see 1927 01:37:19.439 --> 01:37:22.199 Him punk in The Trade Edge society last night at 1928 01:37:22.199 --> 01:37:25.079 the end of the, match so that would seem to 1929 01:37:25.119 --> 01:37:28.720 Signal kine And punk getting together and having some sort 1930 01:37:28.760 --> 01:37:33.760 of feud, again like you, said and you know the last, 1931 01:37:33.800 --> 01:37:36.399 time the last time they got together in the, ring 1932 01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:39.199 and we saw the result with THE, gps so THAT 1933 01:37:39.279 --> 01:37:41.000 i don't Think punk has ever performed a while On, 1934 01:37:41.159 --> 01:37:43.800 kane AND i don't think it's Completely punk's. FALL i say, 1935 01:37:43.840 --> 01:37:48.680 that and you know obvious reasons. Why it's just it doesn't, 1936 01:37:48.760 --> 01:37:52.720 Work so you, KNOW i don't really. KNOW i don't 1937 01:37:52.720 --> 01:37:57.000 know if that attack was more residual from what happened 1938 01:37:57.000 --> 01:38:01.560 On SmackDown With punk And Luke gallo dressing up as 1939 01:38:01.560 --> 01:38:04.840 The undertaker and basically just creating his memory In kane's. 1940 01:38:04.840 --> 01:38:07.359 MIND i don't know if that was what it was, 1941 01:38:07.479 --> 01:38:10.960 from or if this is really something that's leading Into 1942 01:38:11.279 --> 01:38:14.680 cain believing and having good reason to think That punk 1943 01:38:15.079 --> 01:38:18.880 was the one who Put undertaker on the. SHOP i 1944 01:38:19.079 --> 01:38:22.920 anticipated This friday and thanks getting stringed out a bit 1945 01:38:23.600 --> 01:38:24.520 with all three of those. 1946 01:38:24.600 --> 01:38:25.399 Fews really. 1947 01:38:26.880 --> 01:38:29.279 And one more note before we move on to live 1948 01:38:29.359 --> 01:38:32.960 callers From, SmackDown is Like Kobe Kingston drew McIntire, match 1949 01:38:33.479 --> 01:38:35.239 the opening match of the pay per view too long 1950 01:38:35.279 --> 01:38:40.079 Involved Matt hardy involved when that storyline seemed to catch 1951 01:38:40.159 --> 01:38:42.039 off with the live crowd laughs side the pay per, 1952 01:38:42.119 --> 01:38:45.560 view they seem to be pretty hot for the entire story, 1953 01:38:45.600 --> 01:38:49.159 along you, know fainning the three, Count Matt hardy with 1954 01:38:49.239 --> 01:38:51.720 the run In kobe retaining the crowd seemed to be 1955 01:38:51.840 --> 01:38:54.760 pretty in tune with that, story which was a good. 1956 01:38:54.800 --> 01:38:58.000 SIGN i, mean Obviously drew back guitar of the. Storyline 1957 01:38:58.039 --> 01:39:00.239 his his OUs is that he was screwed by a 1958 01:39:00.279 --> 01:39:02.840 conspiracy and that sort of. Thing that's the. Storyline where 1959 01:39:02.880 --> 01:39:04.039 do you see that storyline? 1960 01:39:04.119 --> 01:39:06.520 Going is it? 1961 01:39:06.640 --> 01:39:07.039 Over is it? 1962 01:39:07.119 --> 01:39:11.000 Continuing does macantar regained the? Belt do you think where's nothing? Going? 1963 01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:13.520 OH i have to believe it leads Into. 1964 01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:17.039 Matt Hardy drew McIntyre. FEUD i don't know how, soon 1965 01:39:17.800 --> 01:39:20.279 but you, know that's two losses in a row now 1966 01:39:20.399 --> 01:39:24.159 for McIntire Against kingston and consecutive pay per, Views so you, 1967 01:39:24.239 --> 01:39:28.239 know it would be difficult even with the clouts behind 1968 01:39:28.319 --> 01:39:30.880 him Of vince, McMahon it'd be difficult for the fans to, 1969 01:39:31.039 --> 01:39:35.920 really you, know stomach another month of McIntyre chasing the 1970 01:39:36.600 --> 01:39:39.960 entertainmental title when he's lost two times in a. Row, 1971 01:39:41.880 --> 01:39:43.880 yeah the crowd was hot for that was. Interesting even 1972 01:39:43.920 --> 01:39:46.680 more than the crowd being. Hot was the crowd obviously 1973 01:39:46.720 --> 01:39:49.720 A Long island crowd Was he'll heavy last. Night they 1974 01:39:49.760 --> 01:39:52.079 were cheering for The heels all night, long pretty. MUCH 1975 01:39:52.119 --> 01:39:53.399 i mean they were cheering for the minutes they were 1976 01:39:53.479 --> 01:39:58.640 cheering For. Jericho they were arguably Anti, sena so to see, them, 1977 01:39:59.600 --> 01:40:01.479 yeah AND i don't think they WERE i don't think 1978 01:40:01.479 --> 01:40:06.000 they were really Behind kingston. Either BUT i thought the 1979 01:40:06.039 --> 01:40:09.520 pop That Teddy long got uh for for his role 1980 01:40:10.960 --> 01:40:14.720 in the story and in the match was pretty was pretty. 1981 01:40:14.760 --> 01:40:17.760 Good you, know you don't usually see that for somebody 1982 01:40:17.800 --> 01:40:22.159 who's been as it's been as vanilla As Teddy long 1983 01:40:22.199 --> 01:40:25.319 has been written to be in the last however many. 1984 01:40:25.399 --> 01:40:29.239 Years he's Been Gimo SmackDown and it als theemmed from 1985 01:40:29.640 --> 01:40:31.359 The Friday. NIGHT i, mean he got great heat on 1986 01:40:31.399 --> 01:40:34.439 the Show friday night when McIntyre was belittling him in 1987 01:40:34.479 --> 01:40:38.119 there quote unquote, Match SO i seed to hear you 1988 01:40:38.159 --> 01:40:39.840 over the pay per view last, night which was nice 1989 01:40:39.840 --> 01:40:41.279 to see because THEN i think really added to the 1990 01:40:41.319 --> 01:40:44.159 angle in the end of the, match right it would. 1991 01:40:44.199 --> 01:40:46.039 Have it wouldn't have been good if there was no 1992 01:40:46.279 --> 01:40:49.159 pops for For teddy long stainding that three. KID i, 1993 01:40:49.199 --> 01:40:50.960 mean that was a big, moment and that was a 1994 01:40:51.079 --> 01:40:55.239 big make or break moment the entire. Storyline so that 1995 01:40:55.439 --> 01:40:58.159 was a really good sign for that storyline that there 1996 01:40:58.239 --> 01:41:01.319 was such a big pop for that. MOMENT i ALMOST 1997 01:41:01.960 --> 01:41:04.520 i credited to the writing of that. Storyline and ALSO 1998 01:41:04.560 --> 01:41:07.920 i think through McIntyre's finally starting to get over as a. 1999 01:41:08.039 --> 01:41:10.720 HEEL i mean there WAS i remember last MONTH'S pa per, 2000 01:41:10.800 --> 01:41:12.800 view he came up for that match With kobe and 2001 01:41:12.920 --> 01:41:15.079 there was no reaction at. ALL i, mean his music 2002 01:41:15.159 --> 01:41:19.399 hit it was dead that still starts with me from 2003 01:41:19.840 --> 01:41:22.159 last MONTH'S pa per. VIEW i think now he's finally 2004 01:41:22.920 --> 01:41:25.319 they finally have found a way to get him over 2005 01:41:25.479 --> 01:41:28.359 as a heel without it seeming like they're shoving him 2006 01:41:28.359 --> 01:41:30.520 down singing, Throats but would you agree with that after 2007 01:41:30.560 --> 01:41:31.279 what we saw last. 2008 01:41:31.319 --> 01:41:36.239 Night, well the REASON i guess for fans to feel 2009 01:41:36.239 --> 01:41:38.960 they're not shoving McIntire down their throats anymore is that 2010 01:41:39.039 --> 01:41:40.920 he's doing a lot of losing and he's coming out 2011 01:41:41.000 --> 01:41:43.319 on the losing end of a lot of a lot 2012 01:41:43.399 --> 01:41:47.039 of segments That Matt. HARDY i, mean there are segments 2013 01:41:47.039 --> 01:41:49.640 where he got beat up By Matt hardy And Coach 2014 01:41:49.720 --> 01:41:52.840 keith in the same. Segment so you, know that may 2015 01:41:52.920 --> 01:41:56.199 be one of the reasons that he's, been you, know more. 2016 01:41:56.279 --> 01:41:59.880 Accepted he's getting the pay per view opportunities and then 2017 01:42:00.039 --> 01:42:05.399 opportunities ON tv to have longer matches to really portray 2018 01:42:05.520 --> 01:42:07.600 his character in the, rain not just on the, mic 2019 01:42:07.680 --> 01:42:10.119 WHICH i think can go a long way to getting 2020 01:42:10.159 --> 01:42:11.199 over with the fans even at the. 2021 01:42:11.279 --> 01:42:13.239 Heel you, Know. 2022 01:42:13.479 --> 01:42:15.640 I've never really had a big problem with, him even 2023 01:42:15.880 --> 01:42:18.000 if find his. DEBUT i Know wade has been critical 2024 01:42:18.039 --> 01:42:23.119 of McIntyre at, times But i've Always i've been a, 2025 01:42:23.159 --> 01:42:26.520 fan and you know I've but then, AGAIN i THINK 2026 01:42:26.560 --> 01:42:28.760 i may be partial to him more for his theme 2027 01:42:28.840 --> 01:42:30.560 music than anything, else WHICH i think is the best 2028 01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:33.439 in the business right, now AND i really ENJOY i 2029 01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:35.920 really enjoy bringing that. Up so you, know that may 2030 01:42:36.000 --> 01:42:38.880 skew my view in favor of him take up the 2031 01:42:38.920 --> 01:42:40.720 theme music and Maybe i'm looking at a different, Guy but, 2032 01:42:41.800 --> 01:42:44.119 YEAH i don't really have a big problem with McIntyre 2033 01:42:44.159 --> 01:42:46.399 and the ring around THE. MIC i think he's done 2034 01:42:46.600 --> 01:42:48.520 a very good. Job AND i know there's, been you, 2035 01:42:48.600 --> 01:42:52.680 know talks of, management him having heat with management for you, 2036 01:42:52.760 --> 01:42:56.279 know his his entering work not improving and and just 2037 01:42:56.399 --> 01:43:00.319 his attitude. Backstage BUT i don't find his er work 2038 01:43:02.600 --> 01:43:05.000 full on average or anything like. That but you, know 2039 01:43:05.159 --> 01:43:06.760 for a guy in his, POSITION i guess they want. 2040 01:43:06.680 --> 01:43:08.119 To see, more and that's that's completely. 2041 01:43:08.199 --> 01:43:16.520 Understandable you don't have to wait for the Way Keller 2042 01:43:16.600 --> 01:43:18.479 Pro wrestling post show to find out WHAT i thought 2043 01:43:18.600 --> 01:43:20.720 Of Monday Night raw And. SmackDown each, week you can 2044 01:43:20.800 --> 01:43:23.680 check out my reports that are updated live Throughout raw 2045 01:43:23.800 --> 01:43:28.000 And SmackDown at pwtorch dot. Com my written report will 2046 01:43:28.039 --> 01:43:30.279 tell you what's happening in detail in case you missed the, 2047 01:43:30.319 --> 01:43:33.399 show and it will also analyze key segments and give 2048 01:43:33.439 --> 01:43:37.039 my random thoughts quips on What i'm watching as it. 2049 01:43:37.159 --> 01:43:39.439 Airs so check it out Every monday night And tuesday 2050 01:43:39.520 --> 01:43:44.720 night at pewtorch dot. Com that also applies to. WWEPAYPREVIEWS 2051 01:43:44.760 --> 01:43:47.079 i cover those live at pw torch dot com with 2052 01:43:47.159 --> 01:43:49.800 a detailed written report with star, ratings and of course 2053 01:43:49.840 --> 01:43:52.199 you can find OTHER tv reports from other contributors to 2054 01:43:52.279 --> 01:43:56.119 pw torch such as NXT, Roh Impact, wrestling and. More 2055 01:43:56.479 --> 01:43:59.399 check it out pwtorch dot com your first stop FOR 2056 01:43:59.680 --> 01:44:01.279 tv and pay per view written. 2057 01:44:01.319 --> 01:44:12.800 REPORTS i thought it really improved last. 2058 01:44:12.880 --> 01:44:16.000 NIGHT i saw and more Aggressive drew McIntyre during that 2059 01:44:16.199 --> 01:44:19.079 during the. Match even before that that story developed at 2060 01:44:19.079 --> 01:44:22.479 the ref bump And Teddy lung's interference or intervention, WHATEVER 2061 01:44:23.439 --> 01:44:25.600 i saw a more aggressive McIntyre in the, ring AND 2062 01:44:25.640 --> 01:44:27.279 i thought that was a very good step in the 2063 01:44:27.359 --> 01:44:31.680 right direction for. HIM i thought he really he really 2064 01:44:31.760 --> 01:44:33.880 presented himself like he was trying to win a fight 2065 01:44:34.359 --> 01:44:37.720 and not just sort of this exhibition of everyone's sort 2066 01:44:37.760 --> 01:44:39.760 of the way the way weve puts it is everybody's 2067 01:44:40.000 --> 01:44:42.079 here to watch me and do WHAT i, do And 2068 01:44:42.600 --> 01:44:45.000 i'm just going to act like What i'm doing is 2069 01:44:45.039 --> 01:44:46.880 the most important thing in the entire world right. NOW 2070 01:44:46.960 --> 01:44:49.760 i thought it was a more aggressive attack and more 2071 01:44:49.800 --> 01:44:52.880 aggressive in ring style and ma gets are more fitting 2072 01:44:52.920 --> 01:44:56.039 of his. CHARACTERS i thought that was worth noting from 2073 01:44:56.159 --> 01:44:57.720 last night's pay per, view and they kind of set 2074 01:44:57.760 --> 01:44:59.600 up the angle at the end of at the end 2075 01:44:59.600 --> 01:45:03.600 of that, match so it's an endorsement for McIntyre to 2076 01:45:03.640 --> 01:45:05.239 start the. Show so that's always a good. THING i 2077 01:45:05.279 --> 01:45:08.159 guess that's For. Greg, oh, YEAH i like. 2078 01:45:08.239 --> 01:45:10.039 McIntyre i guess it's a good. Thing if you're listening 2079 01:45:10.079 --> 01:45:11.920 and You drew McIntyre and you're hearing, THIS i guess 2080 01:45:11.960 --> 01:45:13.840 it's a good. Thing BUT i don't really know if 2081 01:45:13.840 --> 01:45:16.239 it matters to some of the fans who already made 2082 01:45:16.279 --> 01:45:16.960 up the decision on. 2083 01:45:17.079 --> 01:45:22.960 Him but, right and we want everyone to join in 2084 01:45:23.039 --> 01:45:24.880 if you're listening live and give us a call with 2085 01:45:25.000 --> 01:45:28.279 your thoughts ON. Wwtna of, Course ring Of honor had 2086 01:45:28.319 --> 01:45:31.399 their pay per view On saturday with THE Uh standout 2087 01:45:31.560 --> 01:45:35.279 match your Contender Tyler Black David richards if you want 2088 01:45:35.279 --> 01:45:36.880 to talk about that as. Well the number to call 2089 01:45:37.000 --> 01:45:40.479 is six, four, six seven to, one nine eight two. 2090 01:45:40.560 --> 01:45:42.800 Eight we will be here for another forty five minutes 2091 01:45:42.840 --> 01:45:45.399 before raw kicks. Off at the top of the. Hour 2092 01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:47.880 let's go to our first caller of the day from 2093 01:45:47.920 --> 01:45:50.600 the sixty five to one area code sixty five. One 2094 01:45:50.680 --> 01:45:52.479 welcome to the. Show please take you name and where you're. 2095 01:45:52.479 --> 01:45:56.479 From, hey, guys this is, Conference Say, Paul Hey? 2096 01:45:56.560 --> 01:45:57.159 Tom what's going? 2097 01:45:57.159 --> 01:45:57.199 On? 2098 01:45:58.439 --> 01:45:59.000 Uh not too? 2099 01:45:59.079 --> 01:46:02.000 Much couple of pots for you. Guys one have you 2100 01:46:02.039 --> 01:46:05.680 guys About? RAY i guess this is only a second 2101 01:46:05.800 --> 01:46:06.600 huddle run. 2102 01:46:07.199 --> 01:46:11.439 In the w W. E, Greg what's what's your take On? 2103 01:46:11.680 --> 01:46:13.439 Ray we're talked a little bit about, it But Todd 2104 01:46:13.520 --> 01:46:16.720 warren Tump, on is this the right move for him 2105 01:46:16.720 --> 01:46:18.319 at this stage of his career more than just sort 2106 01:46:18.319 --> 01:46:22.079 of a reward for sticking? Around? Uh when When undertaker went? 2107 01:46:22.159 --> 01:46:25.600 Down what's your take On ray as champion and and 2108 01:46:26.159 --> 01:46:30.159 just how that affects The SmackDown? Brand, well if. 2109 01:46:30.079 --> 01:46:32.960 You're following ON tv and watching, it this this title 2110 01:46:33.039 --> 01:46:33.960 range seemed to come out of. 2111 01:46:34.039 --> 01:46:34.359 Nowhere. 2112 01:46:34.560 --> 01:46:38.399 Uh you know he got the PIN i believe On friday? 2113 01:46:38.479 --> 01:46:41.960 Night uh in The Tag Team maine. 2114 01:46:41.960 --> 01:46:42.199 Event. 2115 01:46:42.960 --> 01:46:49.239 Uh and we kind of joked in our check posted 2116 01:46:49.279 --> 01:46:52.079 on pwe touch dot Com james that that pretty much 2117 01:46:52.119 --> 01:46:55.640 rolled Out ray of Winning. Sunday so for for him 2118 01:46:55.680 --> 01:46:57.800 to get to, win, yeah so for him to get 2119 01:46:57.840 --> 01:47:00.199 to win in the tag match the pay and then 2120 01:47:00.199 --> 01:47:04.680 at tag match On, friday and then when On sunday 2121 01:47:05.439 --> 01:47:08.000 really tells me that this was probably a last minute 2122 01:47:08.119 --> 01:47:11.079 moved to put the decision to put the belt on 2123 01:47:11.239 --> 01:47:13.840 On mysterio and the fact that a couple with, that 2124 01:47:14.000 --> 01:47:16.239 the fact that it hasn't really been. PUSHED i mean 2125 01:47:16.319 --> 01:47:18.680 he's been he's been pushing the main eventor on Smack on, 2126 01:47:18.800 --> 01:47:22.520 obviously but he certainly hasn't really been pushed lately as 2127 01:47:22.560 --> 01:47:27.520 a title. Contender so you, know this is a surprise 2128 01:47:27.560 --> 01:47:31.039 from a lot of different. Angles uh you, know why 2129 01:47:31.119 --> 01:47:32.920 they put the belt on him and not Say Sam 2130 01:47:33.000 --> 01:47:35.960 punk Or Big show is debatable why he decided the 2131 01:47:36.039 --> 01:47:38.359 title Off Jack. Schwegger you, know we may never, know 2132 01:47:39.039 --> 01:47:42.880 but uh, yeah his Second world title. Reign his first 2133 01:47:42.880 --> 01:47:46.319 one didn't go that, well to be, honest you, know 2134 01:47:46.479 --> 01:47:50.159 losing often in non title matches ON. Tv they put 2135 01:47:50.199 --> 01:47:52.319 in in a no win. Position really with a guy 2136 01:47:52.399 --> 01:47:56.479 Like Great. Khalie Uh so HOPEFULLY i don't see this 2137 01:47:56.560 --> 01:47:59.640 as a long term, thing, certainly WHICH i suppose that 2138 01:47:59.800 --> 01:48:01.399 they like the ww changes with the. Belts you can 2139 01:48:01.439 --> 01:48:05.239 say that about anybody, winning BUT i really think That 2140 01:48:06.439 --> 01:48:09.439 this is more of a transition to someone, else a 2141 01:48:09.520 --> 01:48:12.399 good will. Gesture you, know he he's the guy w 2142 01:48:12.720 --> 01:48:15.000 can count. On he's got the fans behind, him he's 2143 01:48:15.000 --> 01:48:18.640 got the kids behind, him he's got the, merchandising so 2144 01:48:19.439 --> 01:48:21.119 it certainly doesn't hurt them putting the belt on The 2145 01:48:21.199 --> 01:48:24.359 serea would just come at an odd time and was quite. 2146 01:48:24.399 --> 01:48:28.359 Surprising, tom did you have another question you wanted to 2147 01:48:28.399 --> 01:48:29.920 ask or a follow up On? 2148 01:48:30.039 --> 01:48:32.840 Ray, well it was another, question you, know with THE 2149 01:48:33.000 --> 01:48:36.479 wwe always having these no gimmick pay per. VIEWS i 2150 01:48:36.720 --> 01:48:39.520 was looking online earlier today at some of the you, 2151 01:48:39.600 --> 01:48:43.279 know the specialty matches they have on their. Website why 2152 01:48:43.319 --> 01:48:46.479 do they always pick the crappiest gimmicks for their pay per? 2153 01:48:46.560 --> 01:48:49.199 VIEWS i mean there's some looking at some like A 2154 01:48:49.560 --> 01:48:52.840 pumanji prison type. MATCH i, mean for like The hell 2155 01:48:52.880 --> 01:48:54.359 in The cell pay per. View couldn't they do like 2156 01:48:54.439 --> 01:48:56.800 One hell in The, cell One pumanji prison or however 2157 01:48:56.840 --> 01:48:58.840 you pronounce the type? Thing you, know have some of 2158 01:48:58.880 --> 01:49:00.960 the more entertaining that choose one of these. 2159 01:49:01.039 --> 01:49:03.720 Things, DUDE i don't know if we want to see 2160 01:49:03.760 --> 01:49:07.199 it In joppy prison Match dragon The wild who was 2161 01:49:07.279 --> 01:49:10.920 in was that colleague and, uh What lashley was? IT 2162 01:49:11.159 --> 01:49:13.680 i can't remember it Was lashley or getting the elevated. 2163 01:49:13.800 --> 01:49:15.680 Enzymes and that's that. Point that was a couple of years. 2164 01:49:15.720 --> 01:49:19.199 AGO i Think, tom to answer your, QUESTION i think 2165 01:49:19.319 --> 01:49:22.239 that they look in as how can we best present 2166 01:49:22.279 --> 01:49:25.199 a pay per view concept where it seems like the 2167 01:49:25.319 --> 01:49:30.079 champion or champions are in jeopardy and elimination, chamber you've 2168 01:49:30.119 --> 01:49:34.000 got five other people going after that. Title you have 2169 01:49:34.359 --> 01:49:36.199 that this pay per, view you had three other challengers 2170 01:49:36.239 --> 01:49:38.119 going for the title on each of the four way. 2171 01:49:38.199 --> 01:49:40.399 Matches we don't know what they're gonna do with the 2172 01:49:40.439 --> 01:49:42.520 money in the bank, yet BUT i think when they 2173 01:49:42.560 --> 01:49:44.760 look at that elimination chamber in the four, ways they're 2174 01:49:44.760 --> 01:49:48.239 trying to create the situation where you're paying money almost 2175 01:49:48.279 --> 01:49:51.640 with the guarantee of a major title changing. Hands and 2176 01:49:52.199 --> 01:49:56.560 one thing they have done is they've not given Away 2177 01:49:57.399 --> 01:50:01.119 world or w title matches on T tv very, often 2178 01:50:01.840 --> 01:50:04.640 but they have changed the title very often on pay per. 2179 01:50:04.760 --> 01:50:07.520 View but it doesn't help. BUSINESS i think when you 2180 01:50:07.560 --> 01:50:10.520 have all the concept, matches it just doesn't a very 2181 01:50:10.720 --> 01:50:13.880 organic and building to something where they're you, know in this, 2182 01:50:14.039 --> 01:50:18.560 case there were three rightful uh, content three contenders with 2183 01:50:18.720 --> 01:50:21.319 rightful claims to the. Title it was, just, well let's 2184 01:50:21.399 --> 01:50:24.680 just stick three guys in the match as. Contenders AND 2185 01:50:24.720 --> 01:50:27.000 i think that's what they're trying to do is have 2186 01:50:27.159 --> 01:50:31.760 this artificial idea of the champion or champions are in 2187 01:50:31.880 --> 01:50:34.279 jeopardy and you're gonna pay money to see a title. 2188 01:50:34.399 --> 01:50:37.800 Change that's almost with they're, Guaranteeing, Gregory do you want 2189 01:50:37.800 --> 01:50:40.399 to add more fonts or more commentary on? That? 2190 01:50:41.439 --> 01:50:44.359 Yeah for FOR i think The punchai prison match is 2191 01:50:44.399 --> 01:50:48.359 a bad example because it's one basically that was quote 2192 01:50:48.439 --> 01:50:50.880 unquote created for The Great. Klie so how do you 2193 01:50:51.279 --> 01:50:54.279 how do you you know makes sense in the storyline 2194 01:50:54.359 --> 01:50:59.000 terms Of John cena taking on uh you, know someone 2195 01:50:59.239 --> 01:51:05.239 must He randy or in A punjavi prison. Match, geez 2196 01:51:05.520 --> 01:51:09.399 that'll be a free sight right. There the thing, is you, 2197 01:51:09.479 --> 01:51:12.079 know obviously this is this was created especially games match 2198 01:51:12.119 --> 01:51:15.439 for The Great, callie and he would need a storyline 2199 01:51:15.479 --> 01:51:17.560 reason for it to come into play during duringam match 2200 01:51:17.640 --> 01:51:20.760 with two guys who aren't The Great collie, ideally Uh, 2201 01:51:21.039 --> 01:51:23.640 so and that's you, know that's what we've talked about 2202 01:51:23.640 --> 01:51:26.479 with these giving pay per, views is you end up 2203 01:51:26.520 --> 01:51:30.439 having matches with a stipulation that at that point in 2204 01:51:30.479 --> 01:51:33.000 the feud does not. Fit and that's the problem that 2205 01:51:33.039 --> 01:51:35.159 would be a problem, with you, know put jav prison. 2206 01:51:35.239 --> 01:51:36.920 Match you, know if it's the first month of A 2207 01:51:37.000 --> 01:51:39.159 Randy Orton hedge feud and you got them in A 2208 01:51:39.199 --> 01:51:41.840 punjab prison, match it's almost, like where do you go from? There, 2209 01:51:42.520 --> 01:51:45.239 uh it's just you're trying to shoehorn the pay per 2210 01:51:45.319 --> 01:51:48.680 view concept into the feud and it just doesn't make 2211 01:51:48.720 --> 01:51:53.319 any sense from a storyline. Standpoint Uh, So, yeah there 2212 01:51:53.359 --> 01:51:57.720 are more interesting stipulations out there that they could, use 2213 01:51:58.640 --> 01:52:01.199 BUT i would hope the ww would try to keep 2214 01:52:01.239 --> 01:52:02.920 that to a minimum and try to keep it to 2215 01:52:04.279 --> 01:52:09.039 stimulations that makes sense even a little at that point 2216 01:52:09.039 --> 01:52:09.720 in the, feud. 2217 01:52:10.279 --> 01:52:12.319 Right just in the context of the, feud where it 2218 01:52:12.600 --> 01:52:17.479 would seem to naturally flow into whatever given concept match 2219 01:52:17.560 --> 01:52:19.880 they have on this month's. PAPER i, mean up, next 2220 01:52:20.199 --> 01:52:24.000 there's money To, bank AND i DON'T i don't have an, 2221 01:52:24.039 --> 01:52:25.880 idea and they didn't really give us a clear idea 2222 01:52:25.960 --> 01:52:28.239 on who's going to be in that in those matches 2223 01:52:28.359 --> 01:52:31.880 or match or one match to, match three Matches money The, 2224 01:52:31.920 --> 01:52:34.319 BANK i don't know it seems like it might be 2225 01:52:34.960 --> 01:52:37.439 a standard pay per view plus maybe one money in 2226 01:52:37.479 --> 01:52:40.000 the bank, match And i'm sure maybe start to hint 2227 01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:42.520 at that on Tonight's. Raw But, GREG i, mean what 2228 01:52:42.920 --> 01:52:45.800 do you do with that? Concept do you put multiple 2229 01:52:45.880 --> 01:52:47.960 money to bank matches on next month's pay per? View 2230 01:52:48.000 --> 01:52:51.199 do you do just one and have standard matches throwing 2231 01:52:51.239 --> 01:52:52.439 out the rest of the pay per, view. 2232 01:52:52.319 --> 01:52:52.840 Or what do you do with? 2233 01:52:52.920 --> 01:52:56.720 That that's an interesting. 2234 01:52:56.800 --> 01:52:59.159 Question i'm not really. SURE i would assume that you. 2235 01:52:59.199 --> 01:53:02.199 Know my thought Right, Yeah my thought right now is 2236 01:53:02.279 --> 01:53:04.399 maybe and who, knows w w we might not have an. 2237 01:53:04.520 --> 01:53:07.960 Idea uh my thought right now is to have you, 2238 01:53:08.039 --> 01:53:09.199 know one on one. 2239 01:53:09.119 --> 01:53:11.000 Matches for the. 2240 01:53:13.279 --> 01:53:16.159 Singles, title the world title on THE wwe, title and 2241 01:53:16.239 --> 01:53:18.880 then perhaps for each brand having money in the bank 2242 01:53:19.000 --> 01:53:22.119 match featuring in carters from that, Brand let's say, five 2243 01:53:23.920 --> 01:53:25.640 so you would have end up having two money in 2244 01:53:25.680 --> 01:53:28.159 the bank. Matches Unlost scott, forbid they did want for the, 2245 01:53:28.199 --> 01:53:35.239 women but uh, yeah which is which is. Frightening but, 2246 01:53:36.399 --> 01:53:39.920 YEAH i think right now that would be the way to. 2247 01:53:40.000 --> 01:53:42.319 Go so each brand has its own money in the bank, 2248 01:53:42.359 --> 01:53:45.880 winner and can uh really use that as a? Storyline 2249 01:53:45.920 --> 01:53:49.439 weaves throughout the, shows because if you've got a guy 2250 01:53:50.079 --> 01:53:52.600 who if you only do one money in the bank 2251 01:53:52.640 --> 01:53:54.199 match and you have a guy on The raw brand 2252 01:53:54.239 --> 01:53:57.359 who ends up winning, it, uh you know that's that's 2253 01:53:57.439 --> 01:54:01.039 kind of taking away From SmackDown because he's as far 2254 01:54:01.079 --> 01:54:02.439 AS i don't, know you still be A row brand 2255 01:54:02.439 --> 01:54:05.279 wrestler and wouldn't be able to you, know jump. Shows of, 2256 01:54:05.359 --> 01:54:08.560 COURSE wwe please loose with those roles all the time, 2257 01:54:08.600 --> 01:54:11.760 Anyway SO i think one for each brand would be 2258 01:54:12.079 --> 01:54:14.239 what would make sense at this stage in the. Game 2259 01:54:14.319 --> 01:54:16.800 and you, know they could come out tonight and announce 2260 01:54:16.800 --> 01:54:20.079 said they don't have to announce the stipulations or the 2261 01:54:20.479 --> 01:54:23.640 basic concept of the pay per view immediately in order 2262 01:54:23.720 --> 01:54:25.680 to get the ball rolling on getting things started for 2263 01:54:26.000 --> 01:54:27.680 to hype the pay per view because it's in less 2264 01:54:27.760 --> 01:54:29.800 than a. MONTH i believe the eighteenth is the. 2265 01:54:30.720 --> 01:54:35.520 Right they've got twenty, one twenty, Eight they've GOT i 2266 01:54:35.560 --> 01:54:37.680 guess four episodes Of raw to hype, it so they 2267 01:54:37.720 --> 01:54:39.800 COULD i mean they have a little bit of wiggle, 2268 01:54:39.880 --> 01:54:43.079 room but, yeah they need to at least explain what's 2269 01:54:43.159 --> 01:54:44.880 at stay just to kind of get that idea of 2270 01:54:44.960 --> 01:54:48.119 planting a viewers'. MINDS i imagine tonight will be more 2271 01:54:48.159 --> 01:54:51.239 about the fallout and the next to follow up from 2272 01:54:51.319 --> 01:54:54.000 last side's pay per, view but they at least kind 2273 01:54:54.000 --> 01:54:56.159 of explain or hint at the concept of the next 2274 01:54:56.199 --> 01:54:58.840 pay per, view especially because it's again another new pay 2275 01:54:58.840 --> 01:55:03.960 per view and the money they can sell. Itself but 2276 01:55:04.479 --> 01:55:09.359 it's more of a nice, successory uh to to you, Know. 2277 01:55:09.399 --> 01:55:12.680 WrestleMania it's not it's not the entire dress to use 2278 01:55:12.720 --> 01:55:16.119 some sort of weird fashion. Analogy it's more of a nice. 2279 01:55:16.159 --> 01:55:20.119 Accessory and now you're asking people to pay basically the 2280 01:55:20.199 --> 01:55:24.439 price of address for some. EARRINGS i don't know WHERE 2281 01:55:24.479 --> 01:55:25.600 i came up with, that maye BECAUSE i was AT 2282 01:55:25.640 --> 01:55:26.960 Jc penny this, weekend. 2283 01:55:26.680 --> 01:55:28.960 But JUST i don't. 2284 01:55:29.000 --> 01:55:31.880 Know that's that's what the, analogy and it. Works it 2285 01:55:31.920 --> 01:55:32.199 works for. 2286 01:55:32.319 --> 01:55:35.079 ME i got what you're. Saying, yeah it kind of makes. 2287 01:55:34.920 --> 01:55:36.640 Sense in my. Head SO i don't know anybody else 2288 01:55:36.720 --> 01:55:40.640 But tom and either a question or follow up on 2289 01:55:40.800 --> 01:55:41.760 on the pay per view. 2290 01:55:41.840 --> 01:55:45.000 Concepts just one follow up and then you can put 2291 01:55:45.039 --> 01:55:47.319 me on hold And i'll listen if they're going to 2292 01:55:47.439 --> 01:55:49.560 do things like The Fatal, foe where if they decide 2293 01:55:49.560 --> 01:55:54.000 to do a triple threat pay per, View why not 2294 01:55:54.159 --> 01:55:57.159 then make them elimination style where the champion does in 2295 01:55:57.239 --> 01:55:59.800 fact have to at some point get tend to lose. 2296 01:55:59.640 --> 01:56:03.159 His, YEAH i would prefer, That. TOM i, MEAN i 2297 01:56:03.239 --> 01:56:06.279 think that's just to make it seem more than just 2298 01:56:06.600 --> 01:56:10.039 a ridiculous concept of you know the. CHAMP i, mean 2299 01:56:10.119 --> 01:56:13.520 they they kind of straight away from that criticism because 2300 01:56:13.560 --> 01:56:16.880 they had the actually the champs were. Pinned was was 2301 01:56:17.000 --> 01:56:20.560 slacker Penn greg? Was wasn't he penned in The world title? Match? 2302 01:56:22.359 --> 01:56:22.760 Yeah he? 2303 01:56:23.000 --> 01:56:25.760 Was that was kind of, surprising, Right so. 2304 01:56:25.920 --> 01:56:28.920 They kind of skirted that, criticism but still you would 2305 01:56:29.039 --> 01:56:33.359 liked to be elimination. STYLE i think what they're, again 2306 01:56:33.399 --> 01:56:35.039 what they're trying to do last night is make it 2307 01:56:35.439 --> 01:56:37.680 seem even more In. Jeopardy you, know the champions were 2308 01:56:37.720 --> 01:56:40.439 even more In jeopardy because it was first pin to, 2309 01:56:40.520 --> 01:56:42.840 win and that was kind of their their marketing. Idea 2310 01:56:42.920 --> 01:56:44.640 BUT i think to be more equitable and more fair 2311 01:56:45.159 --> 01:56:46.960 in the, STORYLINE i think it would be best to 2312 01:56:47.039 --> 01:56:51.880 have elimination style going, forward BUT i don't anticipate them doing. 2313 01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:55.319 That it's very rare THAT ww does an elimination style 2314 01:56:55.439 --> 01:56:58.640 match other than the elimination, chamber and they kind of 2315 01:56:58.640 --> 01:57:01.600 protect that idea just for that pay per. View would 2316 01:57:01.600 --> 01:57:03.720 you kind of agree with, That, Greg, yeah. 2317 01:57:03.800 --> 01:57:06.159 Definitely AND i think the two reasons that they do 2318 01:57:06.960 --> 01:57:09.279 first tend to win, is you, know like you talked 2319 01:57:09.279 --> 01:57:13.159 about throughout this, episode is that they want people to 2320 01:57:13.239 --> 01:57:16.720 think that the champion is in jeopardy and his title 2321 01:57:16.800 --> 01:57:19.600 is in, jeopardy and that creates for more intriguing and 2322 01:57:19.640 --> 01:57:21.760 interest for the pay per. View AND i think the 2323 01:57:21.840 --> 01:57:24.960 other reason, is if you've got three or four guys 2324 01:57:26.000 --> 01:57:29.119 in a, match you don't want to be the first 2325 01:57:29.159 --> 01:57:32.720 one penned because that makes you look, bad, especially you, 2326 01:57:32.800 --> 01:57:36.239 know with everybody else still being in a. Match whereas 2327 01:57:36.319 --> 01:57:38.640 if only one guy's getting, pinned while everybody else ends 2328 01:57:38.680 --> 01:57:40.720 up coming out looking the same because they didn't win 2329 01:57:41.079 --> 01:57:43.079 and they're all in the same. Waveline whereas if you've 2330 01:57:43.079 --> 01:57:45.079 got a guy in a four man match being the 2331 01:57:45.119 --> 01:57:48.079 first one, eliminated you, KNOW ww may think that that 2332 01:57:48.159 --> 01:57:51.039 could undercut his heat a little bit by you, know 2333 01:57:51.439 --> 01:57:54.439 doing that kind of elimination style and do it more than. 2334 01:57:54.479 --> 01:57:56.960 Once you, know they do it for The Survivor's series. 2335 01:57:57.000 --> 01:58:00.439 Matches they do it for elimination, Chamber so you also 2336 01:58:00.520 --> 01:58:02.479 don't want to get to a point where you're doing 2337 01:58:02.560 --> 01:58:06.039 that too, often either at least in WWE's, eyes because 2338 01:58:06.039 --> 01:58:10.199 obviously they're going for pay per views where they differentiate 2339 01:58:10.279 --> 01:58:12.840 themselves from each, other and perhaps they think that that's 2340 01:58:12.880 --> 01:58:13.119 just too. 2341 01:58:13.159 --> 01:58:17.159 Close you are listening to THE p TO B torchs 2342 01:58:17.239 --> 01:58:19.079 live cast as we at the bottom of the. 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Four welcome to the, Show please 2367 01:59:43.720 --> 01:59:44.520 station and know where you're. 2368 01:59:44.520 --> 01:59:46.680 From steve From. 2369 01:59:46.720 --> 01:59:48.720 Florida, Hey, steve what's going? 2370 01:59:48.760 --> 01:59:51.520 ON a question for? 2371 01:59:51.640 --> 01:59:52.000 You do you? 2372 01:59:52.199 --> 01:59:53.960 Think, oh a couple of questions for. 2373 01:59:54.079 --> 01:59:56.880 You do you think we'll get any follow up to 2374 01:59:57.159 --> 01:59:59.840 who possibly was the driver of the? Limo or that's 2375 01:59:59.880 --> 02:00:00.760 your something they would? 2376 02:00:00.760 --> 02:00:04.600 Ignore? Right that's That we kind of talked a little 2377 02:00:04.600 --> 02:00:07.600 bit about that in our chat over the. Weekend were 2378 02:00:07.640 --> 02:00:09.600 there any more clues that make you think we're gonna 2379 02:00:09.600 --> 02:00:11.359 get an answer to that from last night's pay per? 2380 02:00:11.439 --> 02:00:14.800 View not, really, unfortunately BECAUSE i think that could be 2381 02:00:14.880 --> 02:00:19.000 something that that could create an intrigue as. Well the 2382 02:00:19.079 --> 02:00:22.399 REASON i don't think it's it's at all going to 2383 02:00:22.399 --> 02:00:25.000 be part of the. Storyline is that the, announcers you, 2384 02:00:25.039 --> 02:00:27.680 KNOW i haven't wondered a loud about it. Yet, Uh 2385 02:00:27.960 --> 02:00:31.000 and we know, that you, know subtlety does not really 2386 02:00:31.079 --> 02:00:35.359 exist in professional wrestling with the announcers and everything like. 2387 02:00:35.439 --> 02:00:38.760 That it just, doesn't you, know they think, that you, 2388 02:00:38.880 --> 02:00:40.680 know that may be too hard to follow or too 2389 02:00:40.720 --> 02:00:42.680 hard to get off from a fans point of. View 2390 02:00:42.760 --> 02:00:44.720 so you, KNOW i think we would be hearing a 2391 02:00:44.760 --> 02:00:46.880 lot more about it if they intended it to be 2392 02:00:47.119 --> 02:00:51.279 something that we should be thinking. About you, know we're 2393 02:00:51.319 --> 02:00:54.960 we're already thinking about who the leader, is and you, 2394 02:00:55.039 --> 02:00:58.560 know maybe thinking about the driver of the limo if 2395 02:00:58.560 --> 02:01:00.840 there two different, people would be just too much to 2396 02:01:01.640 --> 02:01:03.600 have to think about in addition to processing the entire. 2397 02:01:03.640 --> 02:01:07.039 Angle so it's my gut feeling right. Now AND i 2398 02:01:07.079 --> 02:01:10.399 could change tonight based on the announcement's reactions and, whatever 2399 02:01:10.840 --> 02:01:12.800 BUT i really don't think that's going to be an 2400 02:01:12.840 --> 02:01:15.119 important part of the N xty invasion. 2401 02:01:15.119 --> 02:01:19.479 Angle, david you have another question or follow? 2402 02:01:19.560 --> 02:01:22.800 Up, well, YEAH i have a question in a quick follow. 2403 02:01:22.920 --> 02:01:26.079 UP i just, realized what would the gate that from 2404 02:01:26.119 --> 02:01:30.920 a logic standpoint would Be Brett hart can easily say 2405 02:01:30.960 --> 02:01:32.279 who it was because he was in the. 2406 02:01:32.359 --> 02:01:35.600 Limbo so maybe that's. 2407 02:01:36.840 --> 02:01:40.239 Unless unless unless it's there's nobody like just a regular limo, 2408 02:01:40.399 --> 02:01:42.720 driver or unless they had the little window down in 2409 02:01:42.800 --> 02:01:45.720 between the back seat and the and the front. SEAT i, 2410 02:01:45.800 --> 02:01:49.079 mean you, know they have their outs and ways that 2411 02:01:49.119 --> 02:01:51.520 they could explain, it BUT i. DON'T i don't think 2412 02:01:51.680 --> 02:01:54.920 that it's necessarily going to be for the casual. FAN 2413 02:01:54.960 --> 02:01:57.000 i don't know if it's not really at the top 2414 02:01:57.039 --> 02:01:58.960 of their list of things to think about after the 2415 02:01:59.000 --> 02:01:59.439 pay per view. 2416 02:01:59.479 --> 02:02:05.399 Tonight, yes that was your other. 2417 02:02:05.520 --> 02:02:08.960 Question oh, YEAH i mean do you think? DUMMY i, 2418 02:02:09.039 --> 02:02:11.399 mean do you think out of the two who've done it, 2419 02:02:11.479 --> 02:02:18.279 angles The undertaker angle and THE nxt, angle do you 2420 02:02:18.439 --> 02:02:21.079 think there's a better chance of somebody like The TRIPLE 2421 02:02:21.279 --> 02:02:24.239 h being involved with one over the. OTHER i, mean 2422 02:02:24.279 --> 02:02:25.239 If TRIPLE h had to. 2423 02:02:25.239 --> 02:02:26.960 Pick an, angle which one do you think he'd? 2424 02:02:27.039 --> 02:02:27.239 Pick? 2425 02:02:29.159 --> 02:02:29.560 Like what's your? 2426 02:02:29.640 --> 02:02:33.199 TAKE i like the QUESTION i would. 2427 02:02:33.279 --> 02:02:38.560 THINK i think for his, personality especially coming off the 2428 02:02:38.640 --> 02:02:44.039 match in the feud With, SHAMUS i think The undertaker 2429 02:02:44.079 --> 02:02:49.079 storyline better fits. Him undertaker retired his best Friend Shawn. 2430 02:02:49.119 --> 02:02:51.239 Michaels they can't be on the road, together they can't 2431 02:02:51.239 --> 02:02:52.760 be doing that D x high jints. 2432 02:02:52.560 --> 02:02:53.840 Together so that gives no. 2433 02:02:53.960 --> 02:02:58.880 Reason we know in the setup to The WrestleMania match 2434 02:02:59.000 --> 02:03:03.479 that he he really didn't think That seamus had earned 2435 02:03:03.520 --> 02:03:06.640 his tripes IN, wwe and, basically you're nothing until you've 2436 02:03:06.640 --> 02:03:12.520 been At. WrestleMania so from that, Standpoint TRIPLE h aligning 2437 02:03:12.600 --> 02:03:15.720 himself with a bunch of rookies who have proved, nothing you, 2438 02:03:15.800 --> 02:03:19.039 know ON, tv let alone at A WrestleMania i just 2439 02:03:19.079 --> 02:03:20.560 don't think that would make a lot of sense with 2440 02:03:20.800 --> 02:03:24.319 the storyline terms storyline, either SO i think he would 2441 02:03:24.359 --> 02:03:29.279 be better suited for the The undertaker. STORYLINE i really 2442 02:03:29.359 --> 02:03:32.920 hope it's. Neither that's me, personally but then, Again i'm 2443 02:03:32.920 --> 02:03:36.880 not a Big Triple ah, fan but then, Again i'm 2444 02:03:36.880 --> 02:03:39.039 not a Big king fan, Either and you, know there's 2445 02:03:39.119 --> 02:03:42.199 talk that he's involved in The undertaker angle as, Well 2446 02:03:42.359 --> 02:03:45.680 SO i, MEAN i don't know which One i'd rather. 2447 02:03:45.760 --> 02:03:47.960 Choose to have them be involved in a, giant you, 2448 02:03:48.039 --> 02:03:52.399 know main event type angle with The, UNDERTAKER i guess 2449 02:03:52.439 --> 02:03:55.760 it doesn't really matter to, me BUT i think from 2450 02:03:55.800 --> 02:03:58.840 the storyline, sense it would make more sense For triple 2451 02:03:58.880 --> 02:04:01.680 should be involved with The undertake to want. SmackDown i 2452 02:04:01.960 --> 02:04:02.439 agree with that. 2453 02:04:02.560 --> 02:04:05.640 ONE i don't see. HIM i don't see how they 2454 02:04:05.680 --> 02:04:09.439 logically could come to the conclusion that he's behind THE 2455 02:04:09.560 --> 02:04:13.960 nxt deal unless they have this idea, of you, know 2456 02:04:14.159 --> 02:04:16.720 some sort of thing where he's Defending Vincent, man And 2457 02:04:16.840 --> 02:04:19.600 Vincent man hired him to get back At Brett, hart you, 2458 02:04:19.640 --> 02:04:21.960 know to kind of undermine the show While Brett hart's. 2459 02:04:22.520 --> 02:04:25.359 Running it never that that'd be some way to get 2460 02:04:25.399 --> 02:04:29.760 to that, point BUT i don't agree with. It too 2461 02:04:29.800 --> 02:04:33.000 many holes explain. THERE i think The undertaker one makes 2462 02:04:33.039 --> 02:04:35.359 the most, sense BUT i think when he does come 2463 02:04:35.399 --> 02:04:38.279 back TO, tv it's gonna be the few with Shamous 2464 02:04:38.279 --> 02:04:40.039 and that's partly WHY i think they might have put 2465 02:04:40.079 --> 02:04:44.079 the belt On seamus last, night assuming that he retains 2466 02:04:44.119 --> 02:04:46.319 it for more than a night or more than the 2467 02:04:46.399 --> 02:04:48.640 next pay per. View perhaps against seen in a rematch 2468 02:04:49.560 --> 02:04:52.079 was seen to have in the rematch, Clause SO i 2469 02:04:52.079 --> 02:04:54.319 imagine The hunter's coming back to you was. Shamous but 2470 02:04:54.640 --> 02:04:56.600 IF i were to take a take one or the 2471 02:04:56.680 --> 02:04:59.520 other of those, STORYLINES i would say The undertaker one 2472 02:04:59.560 --> 02:05:02.039 makes the most, Sense BUT i don't see him going 2473 02:05:02.079 --> 02:05:05.079 back To. SmackDown i don't think that's realistic For hunter 2474 02:05:05.159 --> 02:05:08.680 at this point in his. Career so, once of, COURSE 2475 02:05:08.680 --> 02:05:10.520 i wanted to save him for the Sci fi transition 2476 02:05:10.720 --> 02:05:14.079 and hav ingim be a big splash On SmackDown before 2477 02:05:14.119 --> 02:05:18.399 they move To Sci. Fi that's one, possibility but probably 2478 02:05:19.319 --> 02:05:21.720 not as strong as a. Possibility it's just him coming 2479 02:05:21.760 --> 02:05:23.399 back to wrong Ze A. Shamus that seems to be 2480 02:05:23.479 --> 02:05:26.319 the most logical way to Bring hunter. 2481 02:05:26.439 --> 02:05:26.720 Back So. 2482 02:05:28.439 --> 02:05:30.840 Steve's good. Call we appreciate you. Call thanks for joining, 2483 02:05:30.880 --> 02:05:33.359 us and let's continue on to the four two four 2484 02:05:33.520 --> 02:05:36.279 area code four two. Four welcome to the. Show please 2485 02:05:36.279 --> 02:05:39.760 take shame of where you're. From all, right this Is. 2486 02:05:39.840 --> 02:05:41.800 Brian Hey, brian what's going? 2487 02:05:41.840 --> 02:05:41.880 On? 2488 02:05:42.800 --> 02:05:43.720 HEY i will question? 2489 02:05:43.760 --> 02:05:46.680 It you, know do you THINK i have two? Questions 2490 02:05:46.960 --> 02:05:50.800 do you think that THE wwe has built up certain 2491 02:05:50.960 --> 02:05:54.560 characters to a certain standard to where you just can't 2492 02:05:54.680 --> 02:05:57.039 put no one over Like john seen? It you can't 2493 02:05:57.279 --> 02:06:01.600 see someone LIKE Jacka swagger getting over On John cena 2494 02:06:01.720 --> 02:06:02.760 clean or even. 2495 02:06:02.840 --> 02:06:04.560 Shameless he's never. 2496 02:06:04.720 --> 02:06:07.399 Beaten he hasn't beaten anyone, cleanly even when he beats 2497 02:06:07.840 --> 02:06:09.560 Beat TRIPLE. H they set it up where you know 2498 02:06:10.000 --> 02:06:12.960 he Attacked TRIPLE h earlier that night and then you 2499 02:06:13.039 --> 02:06:14.760 know he came back and ON i think that was 2500 02:06:14.960 --> 02:06:17.359 that night and he Put TRIPLE h. Out AND i 2501 02:06:17.479 --> 02:06:20.119 think maybe when they're trying to present a pay per 2502 02:06:20.199 --> 02:06:24.520 view they Don't Jack swagger and other people are just 2503 02:06:24.680 --> 02:06:26.800 not big of the stars to where you want to 2504 02:06:26.880 --> 02:06:29.319 really see them win or lose against someone like seeing 2505 02:06:29.359 --> 02:06:32.680 it because you notice most of all the battles that 2506 02:06:32.800 --> 02:06:35.680 Seen us goes, through he. Wins AND i have no 2507 02:06:35.760 --> 02:06:38.159 problem with him being a face in. Winning but you, 2508 02:06:38.279 --> 02:06:41.439 know back in the late, nineties when you've Seen austin, 2509 02:06:41.840 --> 02:06:43.840 win you know he went through a lot you see 2510 02:06:43.920 --> 02:06:45.760 him go. Through so when the paper view came in 2511 02:06:45.840 --> 02:06:48.159 a big tailf he was happy to see him. Win 2512 02:06:48.319 --> 02:06:51.279 but that doesn't happen With John cena because there's no 2513 02:06:51.359 --> 02:06:55.399 one up there at his levels where that's incredible enough 2514 02:06:55.439 --> 02:06:58.479 to Put johnson over as that person that you really 2515 02:06:58.560 --> 02:07:01.000 really want to see. Win and also do you think 2516 02:07:01.079 --> 02:07:04.319 that a lot of backstage politics whole certain wrestlers back 2517 02:07:04.359 --> 02:07:05.000 from being bigger? 2518 02:07:05.039 --> 02:07:07.319 Stars, yeah, Yeah. 2519 02:07:07.399 --> 02:07:09.640 Brian to answer your first, QUESTION i think a lot 2520 02:07:09.680 --> 02:07:14.119 of it, is you, Know sina doesn't lose that, often 2521 02:07:14.319 --> 02:07:16.560 or at least when he does, lose it's not. Clean 2522 02:07:16.680 --> 02:07:19.880 so it wouldn't incredible in ww's eyes for someone to 2523 02:07:19.960 --> 02:07:22.800 walk in and just kind of Beat sena. Clean it 2524 02:07:22.840 --> 02:07:25.880 Would it would almost the way W bucks it would 2525 02:07:25.880 --> 02:07:29.439 almost knock Down. Sena and When sina is their top, 2526 02:07:29.520 --> 02:07:32.760 star their top, draw their their biggest money, Maker they're 2527 02:07:32.800 --> 02:07:36.760 not gonna put anyone Over scena, clean unless unless it's 2528 02:07:36.760 --> 02:07:39.720 something like The undertaker In. WrestleMania you, know if they 2529 02:07:39.760 --> 02:07:42.680 were to set up that match for twenty six Or TRIPLE, 2530 02:07:42.840 --> 02:07:46.720 h Who TRIPLE h is already. Over you, know there's 2531 02:07:46.760 --> 02:07:49.119 only a select few and Maybe Randy, orton Maybe. Edge 2532 02:07:50.359 --> 02:07:52.359 but you can kind of go back to the mis 2533 02:07:52.560 --> 02:07:55.000 program and everybody kind of wanted The minutes to go 2534 02:07:55.079 --> 02:07:57.600 Over John cena and just Solidify miss as a. Star 2535 02:07:58.479 --> 02:08:00.720 but at the same, Time miss wasn't a, star you, 2536 02:08:00.760 --> 02:08:02.760 know in terms of a main event level star, Yet 2537 02:08:03.439 --> 02:08:07.199 so from WWE's, perspective they wouldn't put someone over who's 2538 02:08:07.279 --> 02:08:11.199 not solidified as a star Over. Sena it's just from their, 2539 02:08:11.239 --> 02:08:14.439 perspective it wouldn't seem, logical it wouldn't seem, realistic it 2540 02:08:14.479 --> 02:08:17.319 wouldn't seem like it would Help sena and it wouldn't 2541 02:08:17.319 --> 02:08:20.920 seem like it would help them. Miss So, greg what's 2542 02:08:20.960 --> 02:08:23.840 your take on on the way W w books and 2543 02:08:23.960 --> 02:08:28.119 why they don't put it over other, stars Over sena 2544 02:08:28.199 --> 02:08:30.279 and especially in big pay per view matches or at 2545 02:08:30.359 --> 02:08:33.159 least clean still last, night you, know shame this was 2546 02:08:33.159 --> 02:08:34.000 on the, belt but it wasn't. 2547 02:08:34.039 --> 02:08:37.880 Clean, well the big picture answer is just it takes. 2548 02:08:37.960 --> 02:08:40.880 Time like you, said you can't bring someone in and 2549 02:08:42.199 --> 02:08:45.439 you know you Mentioned Jack. Slager Jack flagger's THAT i 2550 02:08:45.520 --> 02:08:49.119 main a venture for a few, months and that's you, 2551 02:08:49.199 --> 02:08:52.880 know to to put him Over John. Cena it's just 2552 02:08:53.279 --> 02:08:56.159 it's just not ww's way of OPERATING. U you, know 2553 02:08:56.720 --> 02:08:59.880 we Saw goldberg and he's obviously the exception to the, 2554 02:09:00.199 --> 02:09:04.039 rule being pushed to the moon and beating everybody. Inside 2555 02:09:04.199 --> 02:09:07.399 but even then it took him three months of beating 2556 02:09:07.520 --> 02:09:10.720 jobbers until he finally won THE us title or however 2557 02:09:10.840 --> 02:09:13.439 long it. Was so it was certainly not something where 2558 02:09:13.439 --> 02:09:16.800 it Just goldberg came in after months of jobbing Like 2559 02:09:16.920 --> 02:09:18.680 Jack schwager did and all of a sudden Beat John. 2560 02:09:18.760 --> 02:09:23.079 CENA ww likes to build guys up slowly and then 2561 02:09:23.199 --> 02:09:24.680 push them back to the mid card and then started 2562 02:09:24.680 --> 02:09:26.359 building them up, again and then push them back and 2563 02:09:26.399 --> 02:09:28.359 then build them up. AGAIN i, mean you can argue 2564 02:09:28.439 --> 02:09:32.760 with that certain, length that's not you, know a something 2565 02:09:32.840 --> 02:09:35.600 that has to be done professional. Wreppling it just. ISN'T 2566 02:09:37.640 --> 02:09:40.159 i think there's different ways to build guys, Up but 2567 02:09:40.840 --> 02:09:43.119 you can't have everybody at the same level Of John 2568 02:09:43.199 --> 02:09:47.239 cena because, inevitably if they're winning all the time Like 2569 02:09:47.359 --> 02:09:49.880 John cena, is then you're gonna have a lot of 2570 02:09:49.960 --> 02:09:53.079 guys losing all the. Time and as much AS i 2571 02:09:53.359 --> 02:09:57.119 disdain Even stephen, booking you don't want to job your 2572 02:09:57.239 --> 02:09:59.479 entire roster up to two guys to put them over 2573 02:09:59.560 --> 02:10:01.680 at the same, level and then all of a sudden 2574 02:10:01.960 --> 02:10:03.800 one of them gets hurt and you're looking around the 2575 02:10:03.880 --> 02:10:06.600 roster to see who you can replace, him and, oh you, 2576 02:10:06.680 --> 02:10:08.680 Know John sen has beating this guy three times. Already 2577 02:10:08.680 --> 02:10:10.520 we can't just push him right back to the main 2578 02:10:10.560 --> 02:10:14.560 event against Against sena because nobody will buy. Him, so you, 2579 02:10:14.640 --> 02:10:16.760 know to have one guy at the level like Sina, 2580 02:10:16.760 --> 02:10:19.239 as that is, fine but it's just tough to have 2581 02:10:19.920 --> 02:10:23.319 more than one. Guy as much as from fans obviously 2582 02:10:23.399 --> 02:10:25.479 we'd like to see more guys in the position of sena, 2583 02:10:25.680 --> 02:10:29.239 obviously but from a logistics, standpoints it's very tough to pull. 2584 02:10:29.319 --> 02:10:32.640 Off and to answer the second question, obviously, yeah, yeah 2585 02:10:32.680 --> 02:10:36.359 there's there's that stage politics that hold people. Back depending 2586 02:10:36.399 --> 02:10:40.079 on your definition of. POLITICS i, mean there's there's writers 2587 02:10:40.119 --> 02:10:42.560 and agents who favor wrestlers over the. Other so when 2588 02:10:42.600 --> 02:10:47.239 they're pitching ideas the, McMahon they're pitching you, know their 2589 02:10:47.359 --> 02:10:50.319 guys for. That there's you, know there's locker room protocol 2590 02:10:50.359 --> 02:10:53.039 the guys don't. Follow there's you, know guys like them 2591 02:10:53.159 --> 02:10:55.880 is who he's talked, about you, know getting scolded in 2592 02:10:55.960 --> 02:11:00.479 the dressing room numerous, times which while accounts is legitimate 2593 02:11:01.000 --> 02:11:05.279 that it actually. Happens so, yeah there's there's certain there's 2594 02:11:05.319 --> 02:11:07.439 definitely a lot of, ways especially in the pre wrestling, 2595 02:11:07.479 --> 02:11:09.039 business that you that you need to hear about that 2596 02:11:09.399 --> 02:11:11.640 can get wrestlers in trouble and get their push scale the. 2597 02:11:11.680 --> 02:11:13.680 Heck it can be the littlest of things that can 2598 02:11:13.720 --> 02:11:16.800 get their heat with management and into the political nature 2599 02:11:16.840 --> 02:11:19.760 of the, business or it can be something vague or 2600 02:11:19.880 --> 02:11:23.880 something deemed big BY, wwe such as The Daniel bryant, 2601 02:11:23.960 --> 02:11:25.760 situation right and. 2602 02:11:25.880 --> 02:11:28.000 You you could also be a situation where a guy 2603 02:11:28.199 --> 02:11:31.199 just doesn't have a political ally in. Management it could 2604 02:11:31.239 --> 02:11:32.640 BE i think that was the case kind of With Might. 2605 02:11:32.720 --> 02:11:35.079 Knocks you, know he had he had a good, look 2606 02:11:35.199 --> 02:11:38.359 he was decent, athletically he seemed like you had potential 2607 02:11:38.399 --> 02:11:41.039 to be a guy that could plug in there as a. Heel. 2608 02:11:41.680 --> 02:11:43.520 Uh you, know they can kind of build up and 2609 02:11:43.560 --> 02:11:45.920 see you to a top, babyface and it just never 2610 02:11:45.960 --> 02:11:48.239 really had a political ally to kind of back him 2611 02:11:48.359 --> 02:11:50.840 or or suggest, that, hey let's GET mynx a bigger. 2612 02:11:50.880 --> 02:11:53.399 Push you. Know sometimes that's what it comes down, to 2613 02:11:53.520 --> 02:11:56.000 is if you don't have that that, ally maybe not 2614 02:11:56.079 --> 02:11:58.000 so much being held back by, politics but just not 2615 02:11:58.079 --> 02:12:02.479 having an ally. Politically so to answer your, Question, brian, 2616 02:12:02.560 --> 02:12:06.680 yeah there's definitely politics involved on you, know who gets 2617 02:12:06.720 --> 02:12:08.439 pushed and who doesn't get pushed a lot of times 2618 02:12:08.479 --> 02:12:12.680 it just comes down to timing and who who's kind 2619 02:12:12.680 --> 02:12:14.319 of in the company at the same, time who has 2620 02:12:14.359 --> 02:12:16.840 some stroke or, power and whether you're friends with that. 2621 02:12:16.920 --> 02:12:19.760 Person so as we've seen With, shamus shame has got 2622 02:12:19.800 --> 02:12:21.920 shot at the top and everyone kind of, said, well 2623 02:12:22.000 --> 02:12:24.680 it's because he was you, know he he was a 2624 02:12:24.760 --> 02:12:27.439 workout buddy With TRIPLE. H you, know sometimes it's just 2625 02:12:27.439 --> 02:12:33.479 a matter of opportunity and timing and tire, Too yeah, McIntire. Definitely, 2626 02:12:34.239 --> 02:12:36.079 yeah it comes. Down you, Know shame has lucked out 2627 02:12:36.079 --> 02:12:39.600 because the roster was so thin that needed Heels uh 2628 02:12:39.680 --> 02:12:41.399 to kind of feed the scene or at least fewed 2629 02:12:41.399 --> 02:12:43.600 to A, sina and he kind of luked out being 2630 02:12:43.640 --> 02:12:46.880 the right place at the right. Time so it's, opportunity 2631 02:12:47.039 --> 02:12:50.359 it's it's, luck it's political, allies a lot of different 2632 02:12:50.359 --> 02:12:54.880 factors that involved that. Situation So brian good calling a good. 2633 02:12:54.960 --> 02:12:55.920 Question we appreciate. 2634 02:12:56.000 --> 02:12:59.880 That thanks for downloading today's. 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California 2650 02:13:45.479 --> 02:13:46.880 hi you Good? 2651 02:13:46.960 --> 02:13:48.439 Dan how are you doing doing? 2652 02:13:48.479 --> 02:13:52.640 Fine first thing, first if you're disgusted WITH, wwe if 2653 02:13:52.640 --> 02:13:57.680 you're disgusted with roah WITH, dna go buy before dishonor 2654 02:13:57.800 --> 02:14:00.399 that was an incredible pay per view and you. 2655 02:14:00.399 --> 02:14:02.840 Almost had a perfect center for the roh plugs but 2656 02:14:02.920 --> 02:14:04.399 then you almost were. 2657 02:14:04.399 --> 02:14:07.479 There but, yeah but, anyway. 2658 02:14:08.960 --> 02:14:11.680 It seems like the only two guys THE ww has 2659 02:14:11.760 --> 02:14:14.680 managed to get over with this whole nxt angle Or 2660 02:14:14.760 --> 02:14:18.079 Wade barrett And Daniel brian By daniels and whatever you 2661 02:14:18.159 --> 02:14:21.199 want to call. Him at one, point if, if if 2662 02:14:21.279 --> 02:14:24.199 they can't get the nxt angle back on, track do 2663 02:14:24.319 --> 02:14:26.840 you think maybe two or three weeks from now they 2664 02:14:27.279 --> 02:14:31.039 bite the bullet and, say you, know the only way 2665 02:14:31.079 --> 02:14:31.920 we can save this thing. 2666 02:14:31.920 --> 02:14:32.439 Is to bring him. 2667 02:14:32.479 --> 02:14:37.479 Back you, mean bring Back Daniel bryan is, yeah, Yeah, 2668 02:14:38.840 --> 02:14:41.399 Greg what do you think Is Daniel brian a guy 2669 02:14:41.600 --> 02:14:44.119 that could be brought back to to give this angle 2670 02:14:44.119 --> 02:14:45.640 a little bit more, life you, know with all the 2671 02:14:45.920 --> 02:14:48.840 talk on the internet and a lot of you, KNOW 2672 02:14:49.119 --> 02:14:51.079 i wouldn't so much casual. FANS i don't know if 2673 02:14:51.119 --> 02:14:54.960 casual fans really Remember brian too much. NOW i mean 2674 02:14:54.960 --> 02:14:57.359 a lot of it is sort of they watched W 2675 02:14:57.560 --> 02:14:59.359 b for, okay what are you telling me is going 2676 02:14:59.399 --> 02:15:01.159 on right? Now and then they kind of pushed out 2677 02:15:01.159 --> 02:15:02.600 of their mind when they go on the rest of their. 2678 02:15:02.640 --> 02:15:08.279 Lives but the day Of brian a difference manger maker 2679 02:15:08.359 --> 02:15:11.319 in this, angle if it kind of stalls, OUT i 2680 02:15:11.479 --> 02:15:12.960 kind of kind of stalled on the pay per view. 2681 02:15:13.000 --> 02:15:14.039 OUTSIDE i don't know. 2682 02:15:14.079 --> 02:15:16.119 If it really if it really enhanced the. 2683 02:15:16.199 --> 02:15:18.680 View it was almost more of an annoyance because the 2684 02:15:18.760 --> 02:15:22.439 interapt interrupted the main EVAN ww title. Match. Uh If 2685 02:15:22.520 --> 02:15:25.439 brian did a difference maker at all or This you 2686 02:15:25.520 --> 02:15:27.880 think this angle is is done by the end of 2687 02:15:27.920 --> 02:15:29.239 the months or maybe the beginning of the next. 2688 02:15:29.319 --> 02:15:30.960 Month, WELL i. 2689 02:15:30.960 --> 02:15:33.359 Don't really think that the angle is necessarily off the, 2690 02:15:33.439 --> 02:15:39.239 rails as a suggested. Already H it's something to keep 2691 02:15:39.239 --> 02:15:42.039 an eye. ON i think they obviously since the first 2692 02:15:42.079 --> 02:15:44.560 week that the buzz has certainly died. Down And i'm 2693 02:15:44.600 --> 02:15:47.600 thats understandable because you can't you can't run those kinds 2694 02:15:47.600 --> 02:15:53.920 of angles every. Week so people were expecting something, great you, 2695 02:15:54.000 --> 02:15:57.199 know follow, up but it was a workman like follow. 2696 02:15:57.319 --> 02:15:57.560 Up it. 2697 02:15:57.680 --> 02:16:02.239 Wasn't it wasn't as you splashy as the first, angle 2698 02:16:02.880 --> 02:16:04.680 AND i think they disappointed a lot of. People AND i, 2699 02:16:04.760 --> 02:16:08.079 think you, know you've got to look more at. 2700 02:16:09.520 --> 02:16:10.039 The overall. 2701 02:16:10.119 --> 02:16:14.760 Picture And i'm, wondering you, Know i'm willing to give 2702 02:16:14.760 --> 02:16:16.239 it a few more weeks because it is such a big, 2703 02:16:16.239 --> 02:16:17.840 angle and because it has been portrayed it such a 2704 02:16:17.840 --> 02:16:20.079 big angle and a long term. ANGLE i think it's 2705 02:16:20.119 --> 02:16:23.720 really too early to judge, it not even three weeks 2706 02:16:23.760 --> 02:16:26.359 into its into its. 2707 02:16:26.439 --> 02:16:27.479 Run so. 2708 02:16:29.319 --> 02:16:32.879 But if it does go off the, rails and so to, 2709 02:16:32.920 --> 02:16:35.719 speak can they bring Back Daniel brian and will he 2710 02:16:35.840 --> 02:16:42.239 save the? Angle that's that's a tough, question because it's you, 2711 02:16:42.319 --> 02:16:45.200 know they've got they could always branch out in that. 2712 02:16:45.319 --> 02:16:49.600 Direction they set themselves up For Daniel brian returning being 2713 02:16:49.680 --> 02:16:51.440 ANTI nxt almost. 2714 02:16:52.120 --> 02:16:53.559 So it is a direction they could. 2715 02:16:53.639 --> 02:16:56.879 Take do they panic and go that direction right off the, 2716 02:16:57.000 --> 02:16:59.639 bat or do they let this play out in two 2717 02:16:59.760 --> 02:17:02.559 or three or four or five months down the, line 2718 02:17:03.600 --> 02:17:06.280 Bring Daniel brian back and branch out that way after 2719 02:17:06.440 --> 02:17:13.200 that that. Long it all depends on how it gets 2720 02:17:13.239 --> 02:17:16.200 over with the live, crowds how many ideas the writers 2721 02:17:16.280 --> 02:17:19.040 can come up with to get this deepest going on 2722 02:17:19.120 --> 02:17:21.479 a weekly, basis to keep it intriguing for the, fans 2723 02:17:21.799 --> 02:17:28.159 to keep it interesting for the. Fans BUT i don't 2724 02:17:28.280 --> 02:17:31.920 know That Daniel brian can single handedly save, it because 2725 02:17:31.920 --> 02:17:36.200 it's ALL i was. Written you, know he. Can he can, 2726 02:17:36.280 --> 02:17:39.040 perform you, know with the best of them that we've 2727 02:17:39.079 --> 02:17:42.239 seen ON xt he showed some Surprising mike skills and 2728 02:17:42.280 --> 02:17:44.799 obviously he's got the resting. Skills but it really all 2729 02:17:44.879 --> 02:17:49.559 depends on how his part is written upon his. Return and, 2730 02:17:50.799 --> 02:17:53.680 REALLY i don't know if you can bank on one 2731 02:17:53.760 --> 02:17:55.920 guy to save an angle that's big unless you have 2732 02:17:56.000 --> 02:17:56.840 a big idea for. 2733 02:17:56.959 --> 02:18:01.879 It and it seems like their big idea Was week 2734 02:18:01.959 --> 02:18:04.319 one and that was a big invasion and they've kind 2735 02:18:04.360 --> 02:18:08.840 of reproduced some different type of some material coming from, 2736 02:18:08.920 --> 02:18:11.440 that but they haven't really been able to sort of 2737 02:18:11.719 --> 02:18:14.799 build the MOMENT i, mean they've sustained thementum because it's 2738 02:18:14.799 --> 02:18:18.360 still it's still part of the fabric Of. Raw really, 2739 02:18:18.600 --> 02:18:22.559 three you know, one you, know after three, episodes you, 2740 02:18:22.639 --> 02:18:25.399 know counting, tonight it's still a fabric of the. SHOW 2741 02:18:26.559 --> 02:18:29.600 i don't know If Daniel brian coming back would be 2742 02:18:29.760 --> 02:18:32.000 perceived as that huge of a deal to the casual 2743 02:18:32.040 --> 02:18:35.159 audience unless they kind of build it up over a 2744 02:18:35.200 --> 02:18:37.799 couple of week, period maybe some some hints or some 2745 02:18:38.879 --> 02:18:41.600 suggestions or bright hard kind of references him a couple of, 2746 02:18:41.680 --> 02:18:44.120 times and then they bring him. Back that might be 2747 02:18:44.159 --> 02:18:46.520 a bigger deal than if they just kind of randomly 2748 02:18:46.600 --> 02:18:50.159 brought him. BACK i don't know if he's A i 2749 02:18:50.200 --> 02:18:53.360 don't know if he's a major player in this angle. 2750 02:18:53.399 --> 02:18:55.479 ANYMORE i mean just kind of they wrote him off 2751 02:18:55.520 --> 02:18:58.239 the last week's show almost sort, of you, know they 2752 02:18:58.319 --> 02:19:00.239 left it, open they left and opening from the come. 2753 02:19:00.319 --> 02:19:03.200 Back BUT i don't know if they're setting it up 2754 02:19:03.239 --> 02:19:05.040 to where he can be a huge difference maker to 2755 02:19:05.719 --> 02:19:09.239 to build more momentum for this. PROGRAM i think IT'S 2756 02:19:10.120 --> 02:19:11.520 i think it's kind of where it is right. Now 2757 02:19:11.799 --> 02:19:13.920 we're gonna find out a lot on Tonight's raw on 2758 02:19:14.520 --> 02:19:16.799 the future of this program and whether it has more 2759 02:19:16.920 --> 02:19:19.719 legs than just a short term, angle and that might 2760 02:19:19.799 --> 02:19:24.040 give us a better a better answer on Whether brian 2761 02:19:24.120 --> 02:19:27.680 can be inserted to make a. Difference so a lot 2762 02:19:27.719 --> 02:19:29.360 of it's just kind of depends on how they played up. 2763 02:19:29.360 --> 02:19:34.639 TONIGHT i think it's probe the best way to answer. That, so, Yeah, 2764 02:19:35.040 --> 02:19:36.760 GREG i think we're just gonna get some answers. TONIGHT 2765 02:19:36.840 --> 02:19:42.520 i hope. So and uh, yeah, yeah yes they. ARE 2766 02:19:43.840 --> 02:19:45.319 i mean right, now it's just, see you really can't 2767 02:19:45.360 --> 02:19:47.680 tell whether whether this is the long term deal or, 2768 02:19:47.719 --> 02:19:50.159 not or they're just gonna end it on tonight. SHOW i, 2769 02:19:50.159 --> 02:19:51.959 mean they can always end it on tonight's. Show you never. 2770 02:19:52.079 --> 02:19:55.120 KNOW i hope they. DON'T i hope they find a 2771 02:19:55.120 --> 02:19:57.920 way to continue this and at least continue it to 2772 02:19:58.000 --> 02:20:00.559 the summer and get some stars out of. THIS i 2773 02:20:00.680 --> 02:20:02.479 don't know THAT i see a lot of stars in 2774 02:20:02.520 --> 02:20:06.840 THE nxt group right. Now, Wait barrett, obviously but the 2775 02:20:06.879 --> 02:20:08.959 other guys just just sort of almost looks like they're 2776 02:20:09.040 --> 02:20:11.920 along for the ride and there they're not standing out as. 2777 02:20:11.959 --> 02:20:15.600 Individuals like that first, BEATDOWN i, mean you Had Jeff 2778 02:20:15.639 --> 02:20:18.799 field looking very, intimidated you Had gabriel with That icy 2779 02:20:18.920 --> 02:20:22.920 stare Yet Daniel bryan with his, angle yet He's slater, 2780 02:20:23.040 --> 02:20:26.399 Involved otunga had a couple of, spots Even tarboro at a. 2781 02:20:26.479 --> 02:20:29.120 Spot now they'll just kind of look like they're the same, 2782 02:20:29.200 --> 02:20:30.959 guy and he's just kind of running. AROUND i don't 2783 02:20:30.959 --> 02:20:31.360 know if it's That. 2784 02:20:32.319 --> 02:20:35.760 James you, know you might have ruined this angle for 2785 02:20:35.959 --> 02:20:38.680 me by not you but the WAY i interpreted, it 2786 02:20:38.840 --> 02:20:42.639 because when you you just, SAID i don't know if 2787 02:20:42.639 --> 02:20:44.399 any of these guys stand out all of a, sudden 2788 02:20:44.559 --> 02:20:46.120 ALL i could think about my head is The Spirits, 2789 02:20:46.200 --> 02:20:50.639 Clod AND i really hope that these guys don't end 2790 02:20:50.719 --> 02:20:52.280 up like The Spirits. CLOUD i, mean that would be 2791 02:20:52.440 --> 02:20:55.719 so damaging and that would be such a crappy way 2792 02:20:55.799 --> 02:20:59.159 to end this. Angle but so now that's always gonna 2793 02:20:59.159 --> 02:21:00.639 be in the back of my mind WHEN i watched this, 2794 02:21:00.719 --> 02:21:03.040 angle is you know these guys are gonna end up 2795 02:21:03.280 --> 02:21:06.319 as bad off as The Spirit squad, did or they 2796 02:21:06.360 --> 02:21:10.479 were just completely buried and you, know sent back TO 2797 02:21:11.200 --> 02:21:15.479 ovw quite literally on tv Uh or is this something 2798 02:21:15.520 --> 02:21:20.280 THAT wwe can make six or eight stars out. OF i, 2799 02:21:20.360 --> 02:21:22.799 mean even if they make starts out of four of 2800 02:21:22.840 --> 02:21:25.159 these guys that's half and THAT'S i mean That i'll 2801 02:21:25.200 --> 02:21:29.360 set you good for a few. Years, REALLY i, mean 2802 02:21:29.799 --> 02:21:32.959 so is this a situation where you know that's gonna 2803 02:21:32.959 --> 02:21:35.200 be that's gonna be, happening or is it gonna Be 2804 02:21:36.360 --> 02:21:37.879 Spirit squad start twenty? 2805 02:21:37.920 --> 02:21:42.000 TEN i mean the timing is right for. That AND 2806 02:21:42.200 --> 02:21:43.639 i thought about in the back of my head a 2807 02:21:43.680 --> 02:21:45.680 couple of, times BECAUSE i mean you look at the, 2808 02:21:45.719 --> 02:21:48.760 pattern uh you, Know Spirit squad and set with the 2809 02:21:48.799 --> 02:21:51.760 main man's and D x was a big? Angle was 2810 02:21:51.799 --> 02:21:51.959 THAT o? 2811 02:21:52.120 --> 02:21:52.360 Seven? 2812 02:21:52.479 --> 02:21:52.680 IS i? 2813 02:21:52.719 --> 02:21:55.520 Guess so those six ro oh? Seven and then the 2814 02:21:55.600 --> 02:21:58.440 next summer WAS I i might be getting my, MY 2815 02:21:58.920 --> 02:22:01.159 i might be missing the summer in. Here but they 2816 02:22:01.239 --> 02:22:05.440 had to make million make million dollar giveaway and that 2817 02:22:05.760 --> 02:22:08.680 just kind of. Disappeared and then you had The gainst 2818 02:22:08.719 --> 02:22:11.840 hosting thing they started last. Year so it seems like 2819 02:22:11.879 --> 02:22:15.520 there's only sort of a concept that they start and at, 2820 02:22:15.639 --> 02:22:17.879 least you, know the, guests WELL i guess maybe not at, 2821 02:22:18.000 --> 02:22:21.479 least but they have continued against. Hosting they maybe not 2822 02:22:21.600 --> 02:22:25.719 to our our enjoyments every week On, raw but they 2823 02:22:25.799 --> 02:22:28.200 have stuck with A gainst hosting deal they started last. 2824 02:22:28.200 --> 02:22:31.319 Summer you, know they don't usually, CONTINUE i mean worse, 2825 02:22:31.399 --> 02:22:33.920 waggle the whole horse, Waggle who's Your daddy? DEAL i 2826 02:22:33.959 --> 02:22:37.120 think that was a summer, program so they don't have 2827 02:22:37.239 --> 02:22:40.399 a really good track record of stretching out summer programs 2828 02:22:41.239 --> 02:22:44.520 over a period of. Time BUT i think this one 2829 02:22:44.600 --> 02:22:47.040 has more potential than The Spirit, Squad so i'll put. 2830 02:22:47.079 --> 02:22:49.879 It i'll put it that, Way, greg to to reassure 2831 02:22:49.879 --> 02:22:53.959 you THAT i don't think a little. Bit, Yeah i'll 2832 02:22:54.000 --> 02:22:54.959 put it to ease a little. Bit. 2833 02:22:55.040 --> 02:23:05.319 Yeah I'm Kelly, wells host of P Wt TALKS, nxt 2834 02:23:05.600 --> 02:23:09.559 the longest RUNNING nxt podcast. Anywhere join, me along With Nate, 2835 02:23:09.680 --> 02:23:13.360 Lindberg Bruce, Lee, hazelwood and special, guests live Every tuesday, 2836 02:23:13.440 --> 02:23:16.680 night just minutes AFTER, nxt where we cover the, good the, 2837 02:23:16.799 --> 02:23:18.799 bad and the ugly on the way to becoming a 2838 02:23:18.879 --> 02:23:22.079 star IN. Wwe check us out live on YouTube or 2839 02:23:22.120 --> 02:23:23.760 stream later wherever you get your. 2840 02:23:23.879 --> 02:23:32.200 Podcasts all, right. 2841 02:23:32.399 --> 02:23:34.879 Let's go back to the phone. Lines this Is waxworth 2842 02:23:34.959 --> 02:23:36.920 three to one, Six so welcome to the. Show please 2843 02:23:36.959 --> 02:23:37.959 teach your hey me where you're. From? 2844 02:23:38.719 --> 02:23:41.719 Hi this Is Stephen. Philadelphia Hey, steve what's going? 2845 02:23:41.760 --> 02:23:41.799 On? 2846 02:23:42.440 --> 02:23:43.040 YEAH i want to. 2847 02:23:43.040 --> 02:23:46.920 Talk about last night's pay per view and the whole 2848 02:23:47.079 --> 02:23:52.120 state of the pay per view is based ON i 2849 02:23:52.200 --> 02:23:58.319 would say that there's an overcapacity of wrestlers on one brand. 2850 02:24:00.079 --> 02:24:03.319 As the Rob RAN a. Stacked is that what you're, Saying. 2851 02:24:03.120 --> 02:24:08.559 Steve, yeah it's two, stacked and people Like, Edge Chris, 2852 02:24:08.719 --> 02:24:13.440 jericho And John morrison are never gonna get over with 2853 02:24:13.639 --> 02:24:18.520 an overpacked brand like. THAT i think after the, SUMMERTIME 2854 02:24:19.120 --> 02:24:22.000 i think those kind of superstars are gonna went back 2855 02:24:22.079 --> 02:24:25.000 On SmackDown because they're not gonna. 2856 02:24:25.120 --> 02:24:27.280 Be, used, uh you, know. 2857 02:24:28.559 --> 02:24:34.639 Properly and these three Are World Heavyweight championship contenders and 2858 02:24:34.879 --> 02:24:37.600 look what they've been. Doing. Now look At, edge what. 2859 02:24:37.760 --> 02:24:40.520 Happened he came back on a big injury and they 2860 02:24:40.639 --> 02:24:43.760 refuse to put a title belt around his waist and 2861 02:24:44.079 --> 02:24:45.120 he's a main event. 2862 02:24:45.440 --> 02:24:49.639 Contender, yeah, SEE i think on your, Front, EDGE i 2863 02:24:49.799 --> 02:24:53.040 don't know IF ww sees him as a guy they 2864 02:24:53.159 --> 02:24:55.280 want to put a major title on right. NOW i 2865 02:24:55.360 --> 02:24:57.520 think when he came back and there was momented behind 2866 02:24:57.559 --> 02:25:00.040 him when he came back to The rumble and and 2867 02:25:00.479 --> 02:25:02.879 then the build up WAS i, Mean, greg you can 2868 02:25:02.959 --> 02:25:04.600 kind of duck and describe, this the build up On 2869 02:25:04.639 --> 02:25:08.040 SmackDown Before, MANIA i didn't really catch. Fire and then 2870 02:25:08.040 --> 02:25:10.040 as the, media the crowd. 2871 02:25:09.920 --> 02:25:10.600 Was not Behind. 2872 02:25:10.719 --> 02:25:13.559 Edge it just. Wasn't it was going the doweld he 2873 02:25:13.639 --> 02:25:15.200 of him, return he kind of wore, off and it 2874 02:25:15.280 --> 02:25:16.680 was just, that, well we Have. Edge you, know he's 2875 02:25:17.159 --> 02:25:20.479 a good hand in the, ring he's a good no TV's, 2876 02:25:20.520 --> 02:25:22.280 tall he's a guy who can put into a pay 2877 02:25:22.280 --> 02:25:24.120 per view main, event and there's three other guys in 2878 02:25:24.200 --> 02:25:26.879 the same match like last. Night BUT i don't think 2879 02:25:26.920 --> 02:25:28.799 if they see him as a guy to carry a, 2880 02:25:28.920 --> 02:25:31.879 brand And, greg you're talking about that as well as 2881 02:25:32.600 --> 02:25:35.200 if you anticipate to be maybe shifting some of the 2882 02:25:35.239 --> 02:25:38.959 stars From raw over To, SmackDown especially before they move 2883 02:25:39.000 --> 02:25:39.879 over To Sci fi this. 2884 02:25:40.040 --> 02:25:45.159 FALL i mean to answer the. Question all used to 2885 02:25:45.200 --> 02:25:47.040 do was look at their two rosters side by, side 2886 02:25:47.040 --> 02:25:49.479 and it's pretty clear that The raw has a big 2887 02:25:49.559 --> 02:25:54.319 advantage Over. SmackDown and you, know you mentioned switching things 2888 02:25:54.399 --> 02:25:56.879 up for the, fall with the debut On Sci fi 2889 02:25:57.719 --> 02:26:01.200 expected by By SmackDown in the, fall so obviously ww 2890 02:26:01.440 --> 02:26:03.559 wwe he's gonna move some people around and move some 2891 02:26:03.600 --> 02:26:05.639 guys To snackdown so they can make the biggest flash 2892 02:26:05.760 --> 02:26:09.799 On sion. Fine as For, edge, yeah he. Did the 2893 02:26:09.879 --> 02:26:12.520 thing is even though if WI w thought that, WAY i, 2894 02:26:12.559 --> 02:26:14.879 mean he really did Carry SmackDown for a while though 2895 02:26:14.920 --> 02:26:17.319 when he was when he was With. VICKY i mean 2896 02:26:17.399 --> 02:26:20.000 that was that was huge For. SmackDown that was that 2897 02:26:20.120 --> 02:26:22.920 was getting great, heat they had great matches a that 2898 02:26:23.079 --> 02:26:26.360 was that was a money pairing right. There so just 2899 02:26:26.479 --> 02:26:28.079 in fact they don't see him as a guy who 2900 02:26:28.079 --> 02:26:29.879 can carry a brand or be a minimum. PLAYER i 2901 02:26:29.920 --> 02:26:31.799 Think i'll have to do his point to that and 2902 02:26:33.280 --> 02:26:37.079 and really, say, yeah that's he's already done, it so 2903 02:26:37.280 --> 02:26:41.719 how can you say he can't do? It? Edge as 2904 02:26:41.760 --> 02:26:46.559 for him coming, back he'd never really Turned, babyface and 2905 02:26:46.680 --> 02:26:50.040 that's been the same situation With Randy. Orton if there 2906 02:26:50.120 --> 02:26:54.879 was never that moment or that reason given or that you, 2907 02:26:54.959 --> 02:26:58.879 know that breaking right where there was a there, WAS 2908 02:27:00.799 --> 02:27:02.719 i don't know how to describe it other than you, 2909 02:27:02.799 --> 02:27:05.399 know he never turned and he just there was this 2910 02:27:06.120 --> 02:27:10.520 assumption BY wwe that he's returning from an, injury so 2911 02:27:10.600 --> 02:27:12.120 fans are gonna cheer him because he's a big star 2912 02:27:12.200 --> 02:27:15.520 returning from, injury and they, did but there needed to 2913 02:27:15.559 --> 02:27:18.920 be something more behind that for the, street for the 2914 02:27:18.920 --> 02:27:20.479 street for the first few weeks when he was On 2915 02:27:20.600 --> 02:27:24.879 SmackDown after his, injury there was he was basically playing 2916 02:27:24.879 --> 02:27:28.959 a tweener and really, didn't uh didn't. 2917 02:27:28.719 --> 02:27:32.680 Explain a lot of him turning baby. 2918 02:27:32.760 --> 02:27:35.280 Face he didn't play to the crowd and wasn't an 2919 02:27:35.280 --> 02:27:37.520 obvious baby. Face And i'm not saying that's something you 2920 02:27:37.639 --> 02:27:39.520 have to, do but if you're going to bring a 2921 02:27:39.559 --> 02:27:43.600 guy back and not officially quote Unquote, durham then the 2922 02:27:43.680 --> 02:27:46.280 fans need Something otherwise they'll, say, well this is just 2923 02:27:46.360 --> 02:27:49.079 the same old edge we, booed why should we be 2924 02:27:49.200 --> 02:27:51.959 cheering him? Now AND i think it's it's caused for, 2925 02:27:52.040 --> 02:27:55.959 confusion and it's caused for people to kind of sit 2926 02:27:56.040 --> 02:27:57.840 on their hands and not really know what to do 2927 02:27:57.920 --> 02:28:00.760 because it's OBVIOUS ww wants them to wants the fans 2928 02:28:00.799 --> 02:28:03.280 to cheer, him but the fans don't really have that 2929 02:28:03.399 --> 02:28:06.600 reason To and, UH i don't know why that the 2930 02:28:06.760 --> 02:28:09.399 last couple of times that they've done terms with these big, 2931 02:28:09.479 --> 02:28:12.079 guys that that there really hasn't been that turning. Point 2932 02:28:12.159 --> 02:28:15.840 there hasn't been That batista Attacks raymaterio after the match 2933 02:28:15.920 --> 02:28:18.680 and just crushes. HIM i, mean there hasn't been that 2934 02:28:18.840 --> 02:28:21.840 in moments that that you can point to as that 2935 02:28:22.040 --> 02:28:23.799 was the time but us to turn from baby space 2936 02:28:23.840 --> 02:28:25.479 to Heal AND i just FEEL i don't know if 2937 02:28:25.600 --> 02:28:27.600 W w just didn't have any ideas for, it or 2938 02:28:27.879 --> 02:28:29.920 or if they thought the way they would right him 2939 02:28:30.280 --> 02:28:33.280 would be good enough to you, know make up for, 2940 02:28:33.360 --> 02:28:36.239 it or, what but that was really something that that 2941 02:28:36.440 --> 02:28:40.319 was really lacking And Adges babystace turning and probably did 2942 02:28:40.479 --> 02:28:42.559 enough damage to where that was one of the reasons 2943 02:28:42.639 --> 02:28:45.440 why they turned them back heel. 2944 02:28:46.479 --> 02:28:49.079 Or another another idea would been that they Thought Chris 2945 02:28:49.200 --> 02:28:52.479 jericho was a strong enough heel that they could get 2946 02:28:52.520 --> 02:28:56.840 by without really explaining that that that moment that why 2947 02:28:57.000 --> 02:28:59.479 are you supposed to cheer Your? Edge what's so honorable 2948 02:29:00.600 --> 02:29:03.319 about him just coming back and chasing after that? Title? 2949 02:29:03.799 --> 02:29:07.239 Literally AND i think they kind of the way they 2950 02:29:07.280 --> 02:29:09.639 wrote it was the focus on the spear was, okay 2951 02:29:10.559 --> 02:29:12.600 but not for Wrestle. MANIA i, mean we're looking, out 2952 02:29:12.600 --> 02:29:15.040 we're going back three. Months BUT i think it plays 2953 02:29:15.120 --> 02:29:18.280 into Why edge isn't that strong of a character right. 2954 02:29:18.280 --> 02:29:21.200 Now he doesn't have that strong heel storyline like he 2955 02:29:21.239 --> 02:29:23.559 did With Vicky. Guerrero like you, Said gregor when he 2956 02:29:23.639 --> 02:29:26.719 was kind of carrying That SmackDown brand and now he's 2957 02:29:26.760 --> 02:29:30.280 just kind Of he had that storyline With Randy orton 2958 02:29:30.319 --> 02:29:32.879 in that, feud but that feud kind of fizzled out 2959 02:29:33.520 --> 02:29:34.120 and they. 2960 02:29:34.120 --> 02:29:37.000 Had, that you, know kind of passable match at A 2961 02:29:37.120 --> 02:29:37.959 latn's pay. 2962 02:29:37.799 --> 02:29:40.840 Per view before ort was. Injured so there isn't a 2963 02:29:40.879 --> 02:29:44.680 lot About minton Behind edge's, character especially On, raw and 2964 02:29:44.799 --> 02:29:47.319 lately he's just become a loss in the shuffle beyond 2965 02:29:47.360 --> 02:29:49.879 THE nxt invasion angle despite being a pay per view main, 2966 02:29:49.920 --> 02:29:53.440 event and then they try To they tried to prevent 2967 02:29:53.559 --> 02:29:55.280 him as a stronger character on the pay per view 2968 02:29:55.360 --> 02:29:58.479 last night with that that promo he had talking about 2969 02:29:58.559 --> 02:30:03.040 and everybody else says the stack or the deck stacked against. Him, meanwhile, Me, 2970 02:30:03.440 --> 02:30:06.239 Edge i'm in great position to win the. Title so 2971 02:30:06.440 --> 02:30:08.319 they try to do something with them last, night but, 2972 02:30:09.239 --> 02:30:10.879 uh they've got to do more work with. Them so 2973 02:30:11.840 --> 02:30:13.920 got interesting to see what's interested to see what they 2974 02:30:14.000 --> 02:30:14.200 do with. 2975 02:30:14.360 --> 02:30:18.159 Him we're down the about last sixty, seconds SO. 2976 02:30:18.520 --> 02:30:21.120 I just want to review the quick headlines on pbtorch dot. 2977 02:30:21.200 --> 02:30:25.399 Com batista in the news TELLING tmz at A hollywood 2978 02:30:25.399 --> 02:30:28.120 club over the weekend that he has signed With strikeforce 2979 02:30:28.280 --> 02:30:32.440 for the HIS mma. Debut Strike force said, no he 2980 02:30:32.559 --> 02:30:35.799 is not. Signed perhaps they were saving a bigger announcement 2981 02:30:35.879 --> 02:30:39.680 later On chris Here goes new show, Debuts His Dude 2982 02:30:39.760 --> 02:30:43.559 game showed a debuts ON abc tomorrow, night and lots 2983 02:30:43.600 --> 02:30:47.719 of other headlines On Chris JERICHO tna. 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