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Speaker 1: Pro Wrestling Podcast. This is PW Torch editor Wade Keller
Speaker 1: with quick introduction to today's double header. Fifteen years ago
Speaker 1: flashback here on the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast. First up,
Speaker 1: the June eighteenth, twenty ten PW Torch live cast with
Speaker 1: James Caldwell from PW Torch and also PW Torch nostalgia
Speaker 1: specialist Brian Hoops, talking with live callers about t and
Speaker 1: impact from the night before the Big j Lethal and
Speaker 1: Ric Flair, Angle Tena's build up to a four way
Speaker 1: match at the next pay per view compared to WWE's
Speaker 1: build for their Fatal four Way, John Cena's almost comical
Speaker 1: comments and media interviews, why Sena is endorsing Brian Danielson
Speaker 1: and why he did not endorse mister Anderson in wwe
Speaker 1: possible plans for the Money of the Bank pay per
Speaker 1: view involving NXT rookies, Will John Cena and Jack Swager
Speaker 1: have lengthy title runs, is TNA discipline enough to stretch
Speaker 1: out Kurt Angle's Number one quest? And much more? And
Speaker 1: then in the previously VP exclusive after show, they discussed
Speaker 1: the four Way pay per view and whether it's worth
Speaker 1: ordering Batisa's potential MMA transition, Grizzly Smith, the Pro Wrestling
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, and also scoop on an upcoming nostalgia
Speaker 1: podcast interview with Brian Hoops. Then, on the June twenty first,
Speaker 1: twenty ten episode, James Calden was joined by Greg Parks
Speaker 1: and they talked with live callers about the previous night's
Speaker 1: Fatal Four Way pay per view. The major angles from
Speaker 1: that pay per view covered, including Ray Mysterio's world title victory,
Speaker 1: Seamus's title win, WWE hot shotting title changes, another conversation
Speaker 1: about Jack Swager's future and upside, the NXT invasion angle
Speaker 1: on the pay per view, and the follow up on
Speaker 1: raw backstage politics in WWE, the ROH Internet pay per view,
Speaker 1: and more. So, Let's get to it. This is the
Speaker 1: Way Keller prog Wrestling Podcast fifteen years ago, doubleheader Flashback
Speaker 1: four Monday June.
Speaker 2: No. You are listening to the PW Torch Live Cast.
Speaker 2: I am PW Torch Assistant Editor James Caldwell hosting today
Speaker 2: and I'm joined by Torch Nostalgia specialist Brian Hoops on
Speaker 2: a fine Friday afternoon. Brian, how are you doing today?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 4: I'm doing real good. How are you? James doing well?
Speaker 2: Been up early, watched the World Cup, been covering tons
Speaker 2: of news this week. Seriously before Kevin the are i
Speaker 2: mentioned this to you that it feels like almost Wrestlednia
Speaker 2: week in certain respect because Ring of Honor has a
Speaker 2: pay per view this weekend. WNWE has a pay per view.
Speaker 2: TNA has been in the news. It feels like every
Speaker 2: time I cover a new interview, another interview comes up,
Speaker 2: and there's no shortage of topics this week. It's been very,
Speaker 2: very busy. But what's kind of been your standout story
Speaker 2: of the week is wv T and a Ring of
Speaker 2: un or something else. What's kind of in that top
Speaker 2: story for you this week?
Speaker 4: Well, like you said, there's there's no shortage of news
Speaker 4: this week, there's you know, tons of things going on.
Speaker 4: CNA came off of a a pay per view event
Speaker 4: and they followed up with some TV shows last night
Speaker 4: that you know, kind of like the same week, the
Speaker 4: same show the week before, some good, some bad.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, You've got seen and talking a lot about
Speaker 4: his top five angles and wrestling history, and Shame is
Speaker 4: making an interview. You've got Okay, I guess all kinds
Speaker 4: of things to talk about. Like you said, there's tons
Speaker 4: of interviews with people out there. UFC events coming up
Speaker 4: this weekend. Ringer Honor has a pay per view. I
Speaker 4: think WWE has pay per views, so the Biggie Weekend
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 2: Right, And what's been such a such I guess fun
Speaker 2: and also uh thinking your head would explode at times.
Speaker 2: Is covering John Zena's PR interviews. I mean just some
Speaker 2: of the the quotes he throws out there, and I
Speaker 2: should some of it. It's just funny to cover. And
Speaker 2: you had a line today about comparing Seamus to the
Speaker 2: Stone Cold Steve Austin and with the whole idea that
Speaker 2: Seamus the first started into the scene like Austin, and
Speaker 2: it's like, no, Austin completely changed the entire period of
Speaker 2: business when he burst and under the scene, and Mad's
Speaker 2: such a big splash during the Attitude era when he
Speaker 2: transformed the Stone Cold. Seamus is just sort of a
Speaker 2: big player who's been inserted into some man event matches
Speaker 2: and had a brief title run. But no, they don't
Speaker 2: even try to compare Seamus the Stone Cold. But what
Speaker 2: was your take when you read that quote from Ceda
Speaker 2: today just name dropping Steve Austin in the same sentence
Speaker 2: as Seamus.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's just mind boggling that he came
Speaker 4: up with that type of a comparison. You know, Austin
Speaker 4: was in the business in WCW for four years before
Speaker 4: he went to WWF, even after he was in WWS
Speaker 4: from ninety five and Winner all the way till ninety
Speaker 4: six King of the Ring, so it was a good
Speaker 4: six months before he had any type of a real push.
Speaker 4: You know, fans remember he was the ring master first
Speaker 4: before he was Stone Cold Steve Austin. They paired up
Speaker 4: with Ted Dibiassi and Debiossi did all the speaking for him.
Speaker 4: They didn't let Stone Cold speak at all. And so
Speaker 4: you know, there's really no correlation between a guy like
Speaker 4: Steve Austin and Seamus as far as the way they've
Speaker 4: been pushed. Their personalities are completely different. Their impact so
Speaker 4: far on the business in the industry again completely different.
Speaker 4: So it's just a comment that's made out of completely
Speaker 4: out of left field. And you know, and he's seen
Speaker 4: I'm talking about now, has had a history of doing that.
Speaker 4: You know, if you remember some comments he made when
Speaker 4: the ben Was scandal broke about three years ago. He
Speaker 4: was one of the people that they've sent on Larry
Speaker 4: King and some of the other shows, and some of
Speaker 4: the things he said then was just eyebrow raising, and
Speaker 4: he's continued that it seems like if he doesn't have
Speaker 4: everything scripted out for him, uh, he's he's having a
Speaker 4: hard time thinking on his own feet and coming up
Speaker 4: with his own responses in these interview settings.
Speaker 5: The sounds that win the man.
Speaker 2: I mean, if if McMahon isn't prompted and isn't coached
Speaker 2: on what to say in interviews or promotional campaign speeches,
Speaker 2: she usually says something that gets her in trouble. And
Speaker 2: look at that Business Week interview McMahon did I guess
Speaker 2: that threaded a couple of weeks ago and talking about steroids,
Speaker 2: and then her campaign manager had to come back and
Speaker 2: kind of clean up that mess you got seen out here.
Speaker 2: When he's not really coached or prepared, or if he's
Speaker 2: just even if he has coached and prepared, he'll just
Speaker 2: say he'll say something completely off the wall, and then
Speaker 2: it kind of fits w e and kinda Wade Keller
Speaker 2: wrote about today with their their corporate manual on how
Speaker 2: to handle mainstream PR interviews and some of the things
Speaker 2: that are set are just so off the wall. See
Speaker 2: it being the top guy in that category. And Seamus
Speaker 2: as has said some really off the wall comments as well,
Speaker 2: not only off the wall, but just sort of company,
Speaker 2: you know, towing that company line promote to that four
Speaker 2: way pay per view on Sunday with you know, the
Speaker 2: whole anything could happen tagline, and it's just it's it's
Speaker 2: just so laughable sometimes reading what people say, and it
Speaker 2: just I don't know, I don't know what to make
Speaker 2: of it. But but well, what do you make of
Speaker 2: the pay per view on Sunday? Brian? You've got four
Speaker 2: matches official. Another match will be announced on smack goun
Speaker 2: a very light lineup in terms of the number of matches, uh,
Speaker 2: five matches total after tonight your headline matches with the
Speaker 2: ww title Johnson to defending world title, Jack Slagger defending.
Speaker 2: They're trying to incorporate those NX two rookies into an
Speaker 2: angle to perhaps influence some buys that anything could happen
Speaker 2: on this pay per view. I don't really buy that
Speaker 2: that's gonna work. But what's your take on the pay
Speaker 2: per view hype and the pay per view itself with
Speaker 2: that lineup?
Speaker 4: You know, I I think they did a really poor
Speaker 4: job on Raw on Monday Night of hyping this pay
Speaker 4: per view and making it feel like there is a
Speaker 4: special event coming up. I looked for this by rate
Speaker 4: of this pay per view to do real poorly. Last
Speaker 4: month's pay per view I think did the third lowest
Speaker 4: by rate in the last four or five years, from
Speaker 4: you know, trailing the Cyber Sunday I think two thousand
Speaker 4: and six and also the December to Remember show that
Speaker 4: was kind of an ECW promotion. You know, you're you're
Speaker 4: probably gonna take this this pay per view by even
Speaker 4: lower than last month. The only good thing for for
Speaker 4: WW is this the Spike or the UFC special is
Speaker 4: on Spike on Saturday night, and it's not a pay
Speaker 4: per view event, so there isn't you know, there's a
Speaker 4: little competition, but not something that somebody has to pay for,
Speaker 4: so they're gonna, you know, create can take a little
Speaker 4: solace in that effect. But I don't look for this
Speaker 4: pay per view to do real well. You know, the
Speaker 4: fans have seen fall Away before, so that's nothing that's
Speaker 4: gonna stand out.
Speaker 2: It seems like to me.
Speaker 4: That they've made this four way just you know, a
Speaker 4: pay per view event, and that's the only reason that
Speaker 4: you would watch it is for the if you like
Speaker 4: four way matches, that that's what you want by it.
Speaker 4: There doesn't seem to be that general feeling to me
Speaker 4: anyway that there's a legitimate grudge that needs to be
Speaker 4: settled here and you're certainly not going to do it
Speaker 4: with a four way match in set up a one
Speaker 4: on one encounter.
Speaker 2: Right There isn't that that organic reason for this pay
Speaker 2: per view. It's it We'll have talked about this before
Speaker 2: in the line cast that if they set it up
Speaker 2: where three three contenders had a rightful claim to that
Speaker 2: title was Seamus and Edge and Orton, then yeah, maybe
Speaker 2: there is a reason that have a four way pay
Speaker 2: per view. And if there were there were, if Sampunk,
Speaker 2: Big Show and Raymond Seio had rightful claims to the
Speaker 2: World Everyway title, then yeah, maybe there's a reason for
Speaker 2: a four why pay per view. But they didn't go
Speaker 2: that route and as a result, these matches are occurring
Speaker 2: without it, without a real reason for recurring. It's just
Speaker 2: the sort of marketing idea that WW has come up
Speaker 2: with without really thinking about does this make sense? Is
Speaker 2: there a reason for customers that want to order this
Speaker 2: pay per view to see an issue settled or a
Speaker 2: drudge resolved, and there isn't that reason.
Speaker 3: I think the CM Punk Raymon.
Speaker 2: Serial feud is has been hurt the most because of
Speaker 2: this pay per view. Just have any of the views
Speaker 2: going on ran on an edge. There are a few
Speaker 2: kind of hopefully they kind of died down at that
Speaker 2: last pay per view when they had the non finished
Speaker 2: but ryand Punk had a high issue, and now they've
Speaker 2: been inserted into this four way match, and that the
Speaker 2: issue that Fews kind of died not now died down,
Speaker 2: lost a lot of steam, and I just I really disagree.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, I disagree with the direction of these gimmick
Speaker 2: concept pay per views. It doesn't help or enhance the storylines,
Speaker 2: it doesn't sell pay per views based on was one
Speaker 2: on one matchups that traditionally sells pay per views. So
Speaker 2: what we have are two title matches that you know
Speaker 2: could be reasonably good, but are many people gonna be
Speaker 2: watching it?
Speaker 5: Probably not.
Speaker 2: It's just sort of that environment w is is in, right.
Speaker 2: They're in between Russellmania, they're in between summerste and sure
Speaker 2: Russellmania SummerSlam, and they're trying to find ways to make
Speaker 2: money with these pay per views, but it's not working
Speaker 2: and I think we're gonna.
Speaker 4: See that again on Sundays, so, you know, I think CNA.
Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting they kind of copied the next
Speaker 4: pay per view format. I think it's Victory Road. They're
Speaker 4: going to have a four way match for the title
Speaker 4: as well, just like WWE is. But I think they
Speaker 4: actually did a little bit better job in creating an
Speaker 4: environment why they're having a four way Not that I
Speaker 4: think it's a great situation that they've created here, but
Speaker 4: last night on Impact, they had three top contenders going
Speaker 4: for the right to challenge Rout Van Damn, a triple
Speaker 4: count out, no winner until all three of those guys
Speaker 4: get a title shot.
Speaker 6: No, I don't.
Speaker 4: I'm not really hundred percent behind that idea. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of logic holes in there that they left, but
Speaker 4: at least they tried to create a reason that all
Speaker 4: three of those guys are coming into face Route Van
Speaker 4: dam and have earned the rights with ww You know,
Speaker 4: why is this? Why are we having one on SmackDown
Speaker 4: and on Raw? It's obviously just because of the gimmick
Speaker 4: pay per view, and it's not because of any major
Speaker 4: grudge or or anything else that needs to be settled.
Speaker 4: It's not an emotional issue, and I think that'll translate
Speaker 4: into the bands and you know, maybe your hardcores will
Speaker 4: buy it. A lot of people could skip over this
Speaker 4: pay per view.
Speaker 2: Hey, you make a good point on TNA. I thought
Speaker 2: they did something's pretty well last I don't know, they
Speaker 2: did somethings really poorly. But one of the things, like
Speaker 2: you just said, is they created the background, the backdrop,
Speaker 2: the foundation for the next pay per view main event
Speaker 2: with three guys having a rightful claim to the title,
Speaker 2: or at least a rightful claim to challenge for the title.
Speaker 2: And it will see how it plays out and we'll
Speaker 2: see how that issue develops the next three weeks to
Speaker 2: TV leading the pay per view. But you make a
Speaker 2: really good point, Brian, that you know that at least
Speaker 2: they created something where there's a reason for a four
Speaker 2: way match. I don't like this idea of a triple
Speaker 2: count out. That's just it just reeks of Vince Russo booking.
Speaker 2: But at least the the the end result is yes,
Speaker 2: there's a reason for a four way didn't create any
Speaker 2: reason for either of their four way matches on Sunday's
Speaker 2: pay per view, and I think that's gonna hurt buys.
Speaker 2: No matter how they try to sell this is anything
Speaker 2: could happen, and Terry Lawler can repeat that line over
Speaker 2: and over again. It's just Yeah, I think people see
Speaker 2: through that this is kind of a skippable pay per view.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, I do too, And I don't really
Speaker 4: love this concept and I don't like na how they
Speaker 4: you know, I don't like that logic either, as far
Speaker 4: as just giving. You know, nobody won the match, so
Speaker 4: all three guys to get a title shot. There's there's
Speaker 4: some logic goals there, but at least they made a
Speaker 4: conscience effort for a reason that three guys were in there.
Speaker 7: I don't agree.
Speaker 4: With that, are like it, but there I'll give them
Speaker 4: credit for at least making it an effort to try
Speaker 4: and build some storyline.
Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to our first caller today. This is the
Speaker 2: two NY one area code, which I was Houston. So
Speaker 2: joy one, welcome to the Show's teach your name for us.
Speaker 9: All right, this is JAD Houston. How you guys doing today?
Speaker 10: Good?
Speaker 2: Are you doing there?
Speaker 9: I'm doing great.
Speaker 11: I have a question about John Cena.
Speaker 2: All right, what you got? Okay, As you guys.
Speaker 9: Were just talking about earlier, John Cena has been doing
Speaker 9: these interviews and he's been talking about the young guys
Speaker 9: getting their opportunity to shine. And my opinion is when
Speaker 9: Kennedy got released last year, John Sena didn't say anything,
Speaker 9: he didn't come to his defense, and as we all know,
Speaker 9: Kennedy clearly had more upside than the other guys. And
Speaker 9: I was listening to the show yesterday and you all
Speaker 9: were talking about them having the always having the two
Speaker 9: top guys, whether it was Brent and Sean or Rock
Speaker 9: in Austin, and and as far as microphone skills, I
Speaker 9: saw Kennedy being that perfect rival to seen it as
Speaker 9: far as having microphone skills and that upside to be
Speaker 9: that megastar. Do you think that there was any just
Speaker 9: see or insecurities on seeing this part that may have
Speaker 9: prevented him speaking up for Kennedy or what's your opinion
Speaker 9: on that?
Speaker 2: That's a that's a good question, Jay Brian, what's your
Speaker 2: what's your on Kennedy and that praps his interactions with
Speaker 2: Sena before Kennedy with the TNA.
Speaker 4: Well, I think you're making a good question there. I
Speaker 4: think there's a little bit different of opinion here from
Speaker 4: the standpoint of Vince McMahon. You know, Sena's not dumb
Speaker 4: by any such imagination. You know, he McMahon really soured
Speaker 4: on Kennedy when he was released and for Cena to
Speaker 4: go against the Green and call out McMahon and say
Speaker 4: that Kennedy shouldn't have been released or should have should
Speaker 4: have stuck around. I think would have, you know, rubbed
Speaker 4: McMahon the wrong way. And I don't think mcmhon has
Speaker 4: soured on Brian Danielson at all at this point. I
Speaker 4: think he wants to bring him back, and I fully
Speaker 4: expect that he will be brought back. I think Seene
Speaker 4: at this point is saying something about Brian Danielson because
Speaker 4: he knows he's going to come back and he wants
Speaker 4: to show his support for him versus mister Kennedy. He
Speaker 4: knew he wasn't going to be brought back. Everyone had
Speaker 4: soured on him in the locker room, especially Randy Orton
Speaker 4: and Vince McMahon has really given up on him. So
Speaker 4: at that point, you know, it wasn't worth, you know,
Speaker 4: seeing us saying anything. So I don't know if there's
Speaker 4: a personal animosity between the two or any jealousy. I
Speaker 4: just think, you know, Sena saw it as a loss
Speaker 4: cause to say anything about Kennedy and sees that Brian
Speaker 4: Danielson's coming back and going to be a star. At
Speaker 4: some point in the in the WWE.
Speaker 9: Okay with that name said, do you think Kennedy would
Speaker 9: ever come back to the WWE?
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, I mean down the road, I could very
Speaker 2: well have seen him going back to w W. It's
Speaker 2: kind of it's almost the same thing where at kind
Speaker 2: of parallel it to Matt Morgan. Now, Morgan was in
Speaker 2: w B, he was underutilized, they settled him with that
Speaker 2: stuttering gimmick. He went to TNA. He struggled his first
Speaker 2: couple of years in TNA, just couldn't find himself as
Speaker 2: a character. And now he's doing great heel work and
Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll end up on ww's radar. Same with
Speaker 2: Kennedy or Anderson, who he came to TNA. He got over,
Speaker 2: he developed his personality, that's over with that audience, and
Speaker 2: eventually I'm sure he'll be back on ww's radar. It
Speaker 2: might take a couple of years or I mean, obviously
Speaker 2: depends on whether Anderson sees TNA is a long term
Speaker 2: option for his career in wrestling. But I imagine that
Speaker 2: if if WW got a better sense of him, and
Speaker 2: if Anderson seemed, I guess maybe willing to make some
Speaker 2: adjustments on his end to send into that WW environment.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I could see him going back down the
Speaker 2: road some you know, a couple of three, four or
Speaker 2: five years from now. I mean, if you last that
Speaker 2: long and he stayed that long the wrestling, that doesn't
Speaker 2: go off and do acting full time. But Briant, what's
Speaker 2: your sense of whether you see Anderson back in WWE
Speaker 2: in the future.
Speaker 4: Well, I think at some point he'll be back. You know,
Speaker 4: you never seen everet wrestling, and there's almost everybody that's
Speaker 4: left WWE at some point has come back. And again,
Speaker 4: I certainly could see mister Anderson coming back to WW
Speaker 4: at some point, you know. And I think your analogy
Speaker 4: about Matt Morgan is real good here. He's He's a
Speaker 4: guy that also is probably on their radar. He's got
Speaker 4: great size, He's really improved his game and kind of
Speaker 4: found his own character. He's a guy that could be
Speaker 4: brought back as well some point down the road.
Speaker 2: Jay, and the other question or follow.
Speaker 9: Up, yes, one more sure do you want to know
Speaker 9: when thema Jones contract is up and if WW has
Speaker 9: any interest in him?
Speaker 2: In vice Presia Samoa Joe's contract said, I'm sure I
Speaker 2: remember the last time he signed a deal with T
Speaker 2: and A. I don't remember off the top of my head.
Speaker 2: W B. I mean he doesn't fit their body type.
Speaker 2: He doesn't fit their sort of their style there may
Speaker 2: event style wrestling. He's not the typical athlete. He's not
Speaker 2: a Zach Ryder John Morrison type body. Brian, what's your
Speaker 2: sense of whether show would go to w B and
Speaker 2: W would take him? And do you know anything more
Speaker 2: about his his TNA contract status.
Speaker 4: I could be wrong, but I think he signed about
Speaker 4: eighteen months ago. But I may be way off on that,
Speaker 4: but I think that's pretty close and I don't have
Speaker 4: any idea how long his contract was for. You're right,
Speaker 4: he doesn't have a right body type, he doesn't write,
Speaker 4: work the right style. There isn't anything real appealing about
Speaker 4: where he is for the w W brand. You know,
Speaker 4: they want these guys that are, you know, more of
Speaker 4: a select body type and a certain working style for
Speaker 4: their house shows, for the merchandise, for their pay per
Speaker 4: views and TV. Everything's pretty much the same kind of
Speaker 4: a cookie cutter and smaller Joe doesn't sit in that mold. Now,
Speaker 4: if you back the old territorial days, that would be
Speaker 4: a huge asset for Somolo Joe, you know, because something
Speaker 4: different that stood out that would make him stand out mate,
Speaker 4: would make him in an attraction.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, so he may be better fit for TNA
Speaker 4: if he can get the right push, because as bad
Speaker 4: as he's been pushed over the last twelve months, the
Speaker 4: crowd is still really behind him and would even get
Speaker 4: behind him more with the right.
Speaker 11: Push at those times.
Speaker 2: Let's continue on to the Uh, let's go to ninety
Speaker 2: five one area code nine five to one. Welcome to
Speaker 2: the show, please station and know where you're from. Hello,
Speaker 2: nine one five Are you're on the air with us?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Oh man, I must have said ninety I'm at nine
Speaker 2: one five.
Speaker 7: Go ahead.
Speaker 12: Hey, thanks for taking my call. I'm just curious, how
Speaker 12: do you guys like watch watch the shows? He watched
Speaker 12: them live with the d v R, because I find
Speaker 12: it unlogical live.
Speaker 5: I'm curious I watch if.
Speaker 2: I watched the wrestling show, I typinalely watch it live.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll watch SmackDown that to the fact, I'll
Speaker 2: watch that it kind of fast forward to the commercials
Speaker 2: on SmackDown, but Raw Live, NXT Live, Impact Live unless
Speaker 2: I watched that after the fact and go through commercials,
Speaker 2: but that's part of our job. Our job is to
Speaker 2: watch every part of that show and analyze what work,
Speaker 2: what didn't work, and convey whether this is worth your
Speaker 2: time watching the show to our readers. So, right, how
Speaker 2: do you watch wrestling on TV?
Speaker 4: Raw is about the only thing that I would watch live.
Speaker 4: Everything else is on some sort of a tape delay
Speaker 4: so that I can fast forward through the commercials or
Speaker 4: rewind something that. You know, if there's some part that
Speaker 4: I missed that and I can't understand why they're doing something,
Speaker 4: I need to go back and try and figure it out.
Speaker 4: So almost everything is for me anyway on some sort
Speaker 4: of a delay, except that if I watch RAW, it'll
Speaker 4: be on live. But for the last two weeks for me,
Speaker 4: it's been But this is terrible. It's turn the channel
Speaker 4: line jumping better to watch?
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially the viewers choice RAW two weeks ago. That
Speaker 2: was I mean, it's bad. That was hard to sit
Speaker 2: through just covering it watching it live. So if you
Speaker 2: were watching it to the fact and yeah, three hours
Speaker 2: of that was, I'm eventually with two hours and fifty
Speaker 2: minutes of crap and maybe question whether I'm watching a
Speaker 2: wrestling show or some abortion of an entertainment product and
Speaker 2: then they at an XT angle. I mean there were
Speaker 2: there was a point in that Viewers Choice Raw where
Speaker 2: I was tending to email Wade and say, what what
Speaker 2: are we covering? Are we even covering the wrestling show?
Speaker 2: Are we covering a really bad two and a half
Speaker 2: hour in XT I mean started in life? Skinned you
Speaker 2: know something that would even they would even make past
Speaker 2: the dress rehearsals. But that only eighteen garbage nonsense. So yeah,
Speaker 2: there are times when it's difficult, but yeah, that's our job.
Speaker 2: Our job is to watch that show and and watch
Speaker 2: every show and cover it as if it's the you know,
Speaker 2: a show that everyone If you figure that everyone wants,
Speaker 2: you're not showing us some interest in somewhere or another.
Speaker 2: One segment might pique someone's interest more than it was
Speaker 2: somebody else. So that's our job as a cover and
Speaker 2: see what works, what doesn't work, and evaluate that product.
Speaker 2: So we have to watch everything forward. Did you did
Speaker 2: you have another follow up another question on that? Yeah?
Speaker 12: Yes, because I don't want to say, like you guys
Speaker 12: that like cynical or ass gated professionals because you have
Speaker 12: to watch it, But did you like I'm that rare guy.
Speaker 12: I like the TNA products better than w W, so
Speaker 12: I know that makes me a you know, ray or strange.
Speaker 12: But my did you out loud with just the flat
Speaker 12: out loud where you know, with the Rick Flair did
Speaker 12: they need to do that data part?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's great. Yeah, go ahead and talk about that.
Speaker 2: I have my own take on that. What's your what's
Speaker 2: your take on that angle? You know?
Speaker 13: Uh?
Speaker 4: I know Reck Flair behind the scenes really loved Jay
Speaker 4: Leeth for doing the impression, and you at ce Flarics
Speaker 4: last night, even with some edits that you could see
Speaker 4: how much he was enjoying it in a space he's
Speaker 4: having enough tough time trying to keep him laughing and
Speaker 4: smiling at it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I there was parts of it that I think went
Speaker 4: on too long, but for the most part, it's it's
Speaker 4: really done. Wonders for Jay Lethal to be put on
Speaker 4: the radar the first three months of Hogan and Bishoff
Speaker 4: of this year, he was not to be heard from
Speaker 4: and hardly ever seen. In fact, you remember he was
Speaker 4: getting beaten by Jim Knightheart and Chris Chavez. I think
Speaker 4: came in beating one time in a couple of minutes
Speaker 4: and you know, now he's getting a pay per view
Speaker 4: match with aj Styles. Now it's going to be Rick Flair.
Speaker 4: So it's actually you know, yeah, elevated him to a
Speaker 4: pay per view level, and he's got the in ring talent,
Speaker 4: he's got the promobility. He could be a really big
Speaker 4: star for TNA. And I'm a real big fan of
Speaker 4: Jay Lethal. You know, they needed something, he needed something
Speaker 4: to break out of the pack, so to speak, or
Speaker 4: elevate his game. And I think he's founded here with Player,
Speaker 4: and Player is a big fan of it. You know,
Speaker 4: I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this.
Speaker 4: I thought it was very entertaining, very hilarious, probably the
Speaker 4: best thing on the show last night. You know, just
Speaker 4: want to make sure that they don't overdo this gimmick
Speaker 4: with with Jay Leaf and that he gives Jay Lethal
Speaker 4: and not just some imitation for Flayer.
Speaker 2: My take on that segment was, I mean, it was absurd.
Speaker 2: It was an absurd segment, and you can almost use
Speaker 2: that word in a positive or negative way in that sense.
Speaker 2: My problem was I thought it was a little bit
Speaker 2: too let's entertain the rest source backstage was entertain the
Speaker 2: boys if you will. And I really didn't think it
Speaker 2: helped business. I really don't think it helped sell that
Speaker 2: pay per view. They gave away a lot of the interaction.
Speaker 2: It was really entertaining, but I don't think it was
Speaker 2: entertaining in a way that's going to sell a pay
Speaker 2: per view match. I mean, so you get the big
Speaker 2: segment of them going back and forth on TV. It's intense,
Speaker 2: it's back and forth. Flayer's sweating, he's stripping, He's all
Speaker 2: over the place, Letho is going nuts, he's dropping the elbow,
Speaker 2: and then they want to sell you in just instead
Speaker 2: of basic wrestling match where Flair and Leiths are gonna
Speaker 2: go back and forth. And I'm not really sure that
Speaker 2: a match can settle whatever issues they are presented in
Speaker 2: this feud. I just I didn't feel like it was
Speaker 2: good for business. And you know, in the next three
Speaker 2: weeks you can kind of hammer home and a marketing
Speaker 2: plan to sell that pay per view on that matchup.
Speaker 2: But I thought they gave away a lot of what
Speaker 2: could have been intriguing for that pay per view. Do
Speaker 2: you agree with her or did you see that It's
Speaker 2: just it was a good TV segment to build up
Speaker 2: their first encounter on pay per view in a wrestling match.
Speaker 4: I think, you know, the key is gonna be going forward.
Speaker 4: Is this g Lethal making fun and mocking Rick Flair
Speaker 4: and to build towards a match on pay per view?
Speaker 4: Or is this Lethal doing you know what he believes
Speaker 4: he is Rick Flair as much as what he did
Speaker 4: when he did the Brandy Savage game make and rip
Speaker 4: off there, he he almost was thinking he was Black
Speaker 4: machismo and and he lost his own character. I think
Speaker 4: if they don't cross that line, I think it's okay.
Speaker 4: You know, I really enjoyed. Uh this is a bad example,
Speaker 4: but back in the attitude there, the Rock would have
Speaker 4: great interactions, very entertaining television and interviews. It didn't necessarily
Speaker 4: build towards a pay per view match, but it was
Speaker 4: entertaining and got fans involved enough to watch the product,
Speaker 4: and and you know built from there and Rock became
Speaker 4: a star. You know, I don't know Jay Lethal can
Speaker 4: go to that extreme, but if he can stay within
Speaker 4: his own character of Jay Lethal, imitate Rick Flair and uh,
Speaker 4: you know Tromp Flair get under his skin and build
Speaker 4: towards the match, I'm gonna let him go with it
Speaker 4: and give him the benefit of the doubt on this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I agree, there's there's long term benefit and
Speaker 2: I I definitely agree at that point if they can
Speaker 2: make Lethal a star that's going to help their business
Speaker 2: down the road. And if this is their method to
Speaker 2: get to that point with Rick Flair involvement and Flair
Speaker 2: kind of giving the Lethal that endorsement by being involved
Speaker 2: in this program, yeah, I can see the benefit to it.
Speaker 2: I think short term, I don't really know if it
Speaker 2: helped business too much. We'll see where the build up
Speaker 2: goes to that pay per view, But I'm kind of
Speaker 2: wait and see on whether this highly interesting segment helps business,
Speaker 2: So we'll see, right.
Speaker 4: I don't think it will help in the short term.
Speaker 4: I think one of the things that they have lacked
Speaker 4: is ability to build stars or create characters that are
Speaker 4: going to be stars. They don't have that star power.
Speaker 7: And if they if they got.
Speaker 4: Something with Jay Lethal and they can build him into
Speaker 4: a star of p and a more power to him,
Speaker 4: I think that will help long term.
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Speaker 3: Hey, how y'all doing?
Speaker 2: Hannibal Friday goad to have you on the show.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yes, I think you had to finish up
Speaker 3: my question you know about you know, you know, do
Speaker 3: y'all think that Russo? You I act dis shop and
Speaker 3: Hogan anything to Russo's looking because I feel like this though,
Speaker 3: if they didn't have nothing to do with his booking, Okay,
Speaker 3: why did Valvenus beat Daniels less than you know, like
Speaker 3: in less than a month after you know he'd been
Speaker 3: pushed a month ago and then also too, why did
Speaker 3: you know why I'm bitch getting to push off of
Speaker 3: a sudden it seemed like that was.
Speaker 6: The Hogan's I did before you know they came in.
Speaker 6: What y'all take on that?
Speaker 2: I think when so it's going back to February or
Speaker 2: January February, I think they saw more value in Sean
Speaker 2: Morley Valvenus because of his past w B career, his
Speaker 2: name value based. I believe they saw more value in
Speaker 2: him than Daniels as sort of a quote unquote homegrown talent,
Speaker 2: which has been proven to be the wrong course of action.
Speaker 2: I think teenagers. I think Eric Bischoff and hop o'
Speaker 2: coogan came in with the idea of pushing who they
Speaker 2: know and trying to make stars of some of the
Speaker 2: guys who've been underutilized in TNA, and that's kind of
Speaker 2: the two factors that came together. Daniels wasn't high on
Speaker 2: their priority lists, and he was kind of he was,
Speaker 2: you know, he was. He was given that loss to
Speaker 2: Sean Morley on that first pay per view under Hogan
Speaker 2: and Bishop, and then Morley disappeared, you know, he left
Speaker 2: the company, disappeared, and Daniels was released a couple months later. So, Brian,
Speaker 2: what's your take on how Russo and Bischoff and Hogan
Speaker 2: all of them have kind of developed a booking pattern
Speaker 2: or scheme over these first six months of twenty ten.
Speaker 4: Well, you and I I think bast time we were
Speaker 4: on we talked how this is Actually it seems like
Speaker 4: we've changed bookers or slowed down to booking in the
Speaker 4: last couple of weeks, you know, before Hogan and Bischoff
Speaker 4: took power. At the end of two thousand nine, we
Speaker 4: had some really good pay per view main event matches.
Speaker 4: We had Styles and Joe against Christopher Daniels in a
Speaker 4: three way, and I think just styles against Christopher Daniels
Speaker 4: in their title match, and we had some decent matches
Speaker 4: because there wasn't so much focus on the silly booking
Speaker 4: that we saw early part of January February, and we're
Speaker 4: starting to see that pattern develop again here. I think,
Speaker 4: you know, we've slowed down a lot easier, are a
Speaker 4: lot more and the storylines are a little bit easier
Speaker 4: to follow now. You know, a week ago there was
Speaker 4: only three or four matches. Last night there was a
Speaker 4: few more matches, and there's a lot of still illllogical
Speaker 4: things happening, but at least the storylines are starting to
Speaker 4: slow down. We're not seeing, you know, Scott Hall being
Speaker 4: pushed and the Nasty boys being pushed anymore. It's some
Speaker 4: of these other guys that are starting to get another
Speaker 4: chance to take a run with the ball here. So
Speaker 4: it seems to me like there's been behind the scenes
Speaker 4: at least maybe a little bit of change in the
Speaker 4: booking patterns. You know, Whether that means less or more
Speaker 4: of Russell, I'm not sure, but I have noticed that
Speaker 4: things are a little bit easier to follow over the
Speaker 4: last several weeks.
Speaker 2: Hannibal another follow up for question.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I'm was okay, get too quick one of it.
Speaker 6: Okay, I know what, I'll talk a while ago far
Speaker 6: as the Jay Lethal push, I remember the originals before
Speaker 6: Hogan came in, was that had gonna lose these guys,
Speaker 6: lose to these former stars and then end up, you know,
Speaker 6: realizing that he hang out to beat Black Macheese or
Speaker 6: you can just beat himself or whatever.
Speaker 11: And also the other question too that I think rih.
Speaker 6: O is gonna get a major TV deal in the future.
Speaker 2: Do any think Ring of Honor is gonna get major
Speaker 2: TV deal? Is that your question, Hannibal, Mm hmm. I
Speaker 2: don't believe so. I think they're pretty much committed to
Speaker 2: hd Net. I think HG Net's committed to them. Brian,
Speaker 2: what you're taking Ring of Honor and the first part
Speaker 2: of Hannibal's question, J Yeah, As far.
Speaker 4: As the Ring of Honor, I think, like you said,
Speaker 4: they're committed to hd net and I think if they
Speaker 4: would like to stay with hd net and anticipation that
Speaker 4: that network will start to grow and build under Mark Cuban.
Speaker 4: You know, they're getting a lot of M M A
Speaker 4: type programming on that on that channel as well, and
Speaker 4: they're I think they're hoping to do what you know
Speaker 4: ended up happening with Spike It. It grew and grew
Speaker 4: to a bigger channel and was available in more homes
Speaker 4: over time, and I think that's the route they're trying
Speaker 4: to take. And as far as Jay Lethal losing to
Speaker 4: those guys, uh, you know, where was the payoff ever
Speaker 4: on that. You know, everything that you do should build
Speaker 4: towards something or some payoffs down the road. You know,
Speaker 4: this is your commodity, is your TV time that they
Speaker 4: have and the matches, it made Jay Lethal look like
Speaker 4: a jobb or because he lost to these guys been
Speaker 4: on TV in ten years and were out of shape
Speaker 4: and came in and beat him, and then it just
Speaker 4: looked like anybody out the street could be Ja Lethal.
Speaker 4: So I don't think it did anything to help el
Speaker 4: him at all. And it's you know, it's really him
Speaker 4: being uh coozing up with Flair here in this angle
Speaker 4: and Flair getting behind him for him to start getting
Speaker 4: the push again.
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Speaker 11: Al Right, guys, this is Cameron from Austin.
Speaker 2: Cameron from Austin. How's it going in Austin today?
Speaker 11: How it's ninety six degrees outside?
Speaker 2: It's just going well? I think I think it's ninety
Speaker 2: three here in Houston. So y'all are y' already beating
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Speaker 2: us today?
Speaker 11: All right, just a couple of things. As far as
Speaker 11: Jay Leathal goes, you got took the words right out
Speaker 11: of my mouth. I think it's great that, especially before
Speaker 11: I guess Bishoff and Hogan came in. He was, you know,
Speaker 11: he hadn't want to match on TV in like a
Speaker 11: year or something to that effect. I really like it
Speaker 11: when they just let guys go out there and say
Speaker 11: you're talented. Show it's your talent. I think one thing
Speaker 11: WW is always guilty of is that minorities always have
Speaker 11: to play a character that's designated for minorities. They have
Speaker 11: rappers and guys like MVP that are like that too,
Speaker 11: style athlete.
Speaker 2: So it's nice to see a person of color.
Speaker 11: Go out there and just be able to do their thing,
Speaker 11: even if it is a limitation of somebody else.
Speaker 2: It's a walcome thing to see. Agree.
Speaker 11: As far as as far as the question goes, I'm
Speaker 11: a big fan of current angle. When he gave up
Speaker 11: kind of his spot in the top ten rankings and
Speaker 11: wanted to work.
Speaker 2: His way back up.
Speaker 11: I think it really gives a chance for a lot
Speaker 11: of fresh matchups things like that. My question is, with
Speaker 11: the way things the TNA jump around and the fact
Speaker 11: that they want to hotshot things about ratings and everything,
Speaker 11: you think they can actually let it play out to
Speaker 11: where he beats everybody in the rankings and marks his
Speaker 11: way to the title, you know, nine ten months down
Speaker 11: the road. Do you think that's something that's actually gonna last?
Speaker 2: Very good question. It would be very much out of
Speaker 2: TNA's character to let's let a storyline play out for
Speaker 2: six months. The last time I can remember the storyline
Speaker 2: a really a real storyline kind of play out over
Speaker 2: a period of time. Was probably Samoa Joe when he
Speaker 2: won that team a ROLD title in eight and then
Speaker 2: he was kind of in Kevin Nash's shadow for about
Speaker 2: six months until Bound for Glory when he dropped the title,
Speaker 2: and he was kind of this hot headed champion. Nation
Speaker 2: is trying to control him, to calm him down. I
Speaker 2: really can't think of another long term storyline that's played out.
Speaker 2: Angle hit on his quest to the number one would
Speaker 2: be a really good consistent storyline to see play out
Speaker 2: over time. Brian, do you think they're disciplined enough to
Speaker 2: not jump right to number one? Had him challenge RVD
Speaker 2: for that title? Or do you see Hi maybe holding
Speaker 2: off until RVD and Angle perhaps it down for Glory
Speaker 2: in October. Do you think that's within the realm of
Speaker 2: possibility for TNA.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't think Vince Russo is disciplined enough to
Speaker 4: hold off on that. He's proven that over time with
Speaker 4: this track record. Eric Dishoff, on the other hand, has
Speaker 4: showed us with the you know the Bill to Sting
Speaker 4: in Stark nineteen ninety seven, he was disciplined enough, you
Speaker 4: know that was a big money program that he could
Speaker 4: have went to a lot earlier than he did, but
Speaker 4: he's you know, give him his credit at that time.
Speaker 4: He stuck to his guns and played off that. T
Speaker 4: and A has done a couple of different angles. You know,
Speaker 4: you mentioned a couple of their games they had. Christian
Speaker 4: Cage was undefeated for I think like a year that
Speaker 4: he was in and smallA Joe was undefeated for two
Speaker 4: three years, never been ten. So they've done a couple
Speaker 4: of those type of gimmicks and have had the discipline
Speaker 4: to do it. I guess I'm hopeful that they won't
Speaker 4: rush through this with Kurt Angle. I think it's a
Speaker 4: really good story, especially for his age and the place
Speaker 4: and career that Kurt Angle's in. If they would go
Speaker 4: to Kurt Angle, you know, climbing this ladder to get
Speaker 4: to the championship match and do just the matches on
Speaker 4: a pay per view basis. You know, Kurt is now
Speaker 4: a rank number nine. He tries to go the next
Speaker 4: leadder at the next pay per view, And that's really
Speaker 4: the only story that you need for Kurt Angle at
Speaker 4: this point. He's good enough in the ring, he's good
Speaker 4: enough outside of the ring. He doesn't need anything else.
Speaker 4: Just let him be this quest for the championship and
Speaker 4: let it play out over eight nine months and you know,
Speaker 4: as you have eight or nine more matches to get
Speaker 4: to rout van Dam. That'll take you through at least
Speaker 4: through the rest of this year into an early part
Speaker 4: of the twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: And there's some good matchups along the way to revisit,
Speaker 2: I mean, to have first time matchups and revisit. You've
Speaker 2: got Des and Wolft, I mean, Wolf's had some great
Speaker 2: matches with Angle. At the end of nine, you have
Speaker 2: Samoa Joe. I know what Joe and Angle are capable of.
Speaker 2: So you can march through this list. I mean, Jeff
Speaker 2: Hardy is on that list. It kind of did your
Speaker 2: way to RVD and have some really good pay per
Speaker 2: view matches and some good TV matches with proper build
Speaker 2: up and hin. So I really hope that they stick
Speaker 2: to this, they kind of march their way to number
Speaker 2: one and then really have that epic matchup that could
Speaker 2: really sell a pay per view by itself. So we'll
Speaker 2: see if they if they get to that point, or
Speaker 2: if they'll pull it tical a little a little bit
Speaker 2: earlier than maybe they should. Cameron anything else from near
Speaker 2: the follow up.
Speaker 11: One more thing, I remember a couple of years ago,
Speaker 11: I guess when Dessi Rhodes was ducted into the Hall
Speaker 11: of Fame. They l it was before Cody had been
Speaker 11: in WW and he got up there and he got
Speaker 11: on the mic for a while just talking about his
Speaker 11: dad's accomplishments in their family. And I always thought the
Speaker 11: guy's in that family, they're just so talented, but nobody
Speaker 11: ever had that look to where they can have like
Speaker 11: that at that kind of mainstream appeal. Cody comes along
Speaker 11: and he's, you know, half the size of his dad
Speaker 11: and his brother, but in a good way. Like the
Speaker 11: kid's got a great bill and he's right on the
Speaker 11: mic and seeing him on SmackDown, he can really go
Speaker 11: in the ring. I'm just curious, you know, seeing his
Speaker 11: how Kidney the Aussie's really the one in nineteen everybody
Speaker 11: thought was gonna be a breakout star and it remains
Speaker 11: to be seen. But how high do you think Cody
Speaker 11: Stock can rats?
Speaker 2: I think he can go real high. The one thing
Speaker 2: that's going to hold him back is his size. He's
Speaker 2: not a big dude. He's not He's not a tough
Speaker 2: looking heel. He's not your classic big man heel that
Speaker 2: w B likes to push and then sort of feed
Speaker 2: to John Cena down the road.
Speaker 5: He's a guy that I mean.
Speaker 2: I really saw something on the NXT show on Tuesday,
Speaker 2: just that promo he cut at the end of NXT
Speaker 2: was a really strong dromo, really good mic work and
Speaker 2: the ring on SmackDown. You're right cameraon. He's done really
Speaker 2: good work on SmackDown since being drafted over. I think
Speaker 2: it's just a matter of it's a matter of time
Speaker 2: and who the champion is and the right opportunity to
Speaker 2: come along. But I really see him having I'm right now,
Speaker 2: I see him having more upside than Debios right now,
Speaker 2: I just don't see I don't think Debias's shown as
Speaker 2: much as as Cody Rhodes since they split up. Legacy Brian,
Speaker 2: what's your take on Kobe Rhoads and perhaps if you
Speaker 2: were to compare him in debiast, which one do you
Speaker 2: think has more upside? Right now?
Speaker 4: You know, everybody's like you said, is given Ted Debiasse
Speaker 4: the green light to go to head to the next
Speaker 4: level a lot faster than Cody Rhads And maybe that's
Speaker 4: a good thing for Roads that the spotlight isn't on him,
Speaker 4: or the pressure isn't on him right now. You know,
Speaker 4: when when wrestling created stars that became big stars in
Speaker 4: the eighties and nineties, it was because they had worked
Speaker 4: several different territories and had several years under their belt
Speaker 4: working in front of smaller crowds to learn how to
Speaker 4: wrestle and do matches and work on their promos in
Speaker 4: front of small TVs. You know that's changed now. They
Speaker 4: don't have that opportunity anymore. They're not getting the type
Speaker 4: of season me and it takes guys a while, you know,
Speaker 4: sometimes it takes Look at Steve Austin. You'll start wrestling
Speaker 4: in eighty nine and it wasn't until ninety six where
Speaker 4: he became this breakout, stone cold character that changed the business.
Speaker 4: So it took him six seven years. If you give
Speaker 4: roads to Debiosti that same type of opportunity six seven
Speaker 4: years down the road, both those guys are gonna be
Speaker 4: big stars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Debiosite just needs time. It's just a matter of
Speaker 2: time for him. I just I haven't liked what they've
Speaker 2: done with him with the million hour gimmick. I just
Speaker 2: it just hasn't fit yet. And then he's been sort
Speaker 2: of doing that bit with the radcast host.
Speaker 5: Not a big fan of that, especially the eight.
Speaker 2: Team stuff a couple of weeks ago. That was just
Speaker 2: bad TV. I don't know, We'll see as they can
Speaker 2: find something different for debiosk to do. I think the
Speaker 2: Virgil thing was a nice, short term little way to
Speaker 2: get debiosit a consistent TV exposure, But I think that's
Speaker 2: gonna run its course.
Speaker 5: So I'm just gonna move up and move.
Speaker 2: A long I can find something different for Debios to
Speaker 2: do it continue to develop him on TV as a
Speaker 2: character in in the ring. I mean, he's good in
Speaker 2: the ring, not flashy, which is fine. But they're gonna
Speaker 2: find something different, a different program for him and see
Speaker 2: if they can find something else that might work.
Speaker 4: So now, James, do you think that if they would
Speaker 4: move him over to SmackDown that would be a benefit
Speaker 4: for his career. I mean, I see Cody rogues on SmackDown,
Speaker 4: gain an opportunity to wrestle longer matches, stay away from
Speaker 4: some of these stupid skits, and and maybe even get
Speaker 4: some time to speak on a microphone because SmackDown is
Speaker 4: a more heavily wrestling focused show rather than the Thurday
Speaker 4: Night like Night Live aspect that Monday Night Raw is Yeah,
Speaker 4: I agree with that, I don't.
Speaker 2: I yeah, that's a good point. I don't think the
Speaker 2: Debian is a really good fit on Raw by himself.
Speaker 2: I mean, he was finally l like to see and
Speaker 2: Randy Orton. But I think he make a good point
Speaker 2: Brian that perhaps he's just not a good fit on Raw,
Speaker 2: that he needs to be somewhere where he can showcase
Speaker 2: is his rustled ability. It's got a good personality that
Speaker 2: I think would seem larger than life on SmackDown. Smackdowns,
Speaker 2: you know a lot of times they just kind of
Speaker 2: have these I don't want to say drab, but sort
Speaker 2: in dry characters and dry personalities. I think Debians would
Speaker 2: add something different on SmackDown and stand now to where
Speaker 2: he can get over on SmackDown and then be moved
Speaker 2: to Raw and already be established as a main event
Speaker 2: level star and they can integrate him onto Raw. So
Speaker 2: I think they've kind of gotten him out of backwards
Speaker 2: with debofs prefs, and that might be what's hurting him
Speaker 2: right now, is it's just maybe not a good sit
Speaker 2: on Raw right now. It's always more over as a
Speaker 2: guy who's taken seriously about the audience.
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Speaker 2: code sixty five one. Welcome to the show. Please stay
Speaker 2: you name and where you're from? Heyday?
Speaker 15: Can I call it James?
Speaker 4: It's Mike from Webury, Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Hey Mike, what's going on?
Speaker 7: Noting? Watch?
Speaker 5: Just join the weekend?
Speaker 2: YEP.
Speaker 15: I gotta bring up a point, uh from Monday's rod
Speaker 15: that hasn't been talked about, but I really disliked the
Speaker 15: throwing out of the four four mid carters for the
Speaker 15: fully match on Monday Night with sin Our Truth, the
Speaker 15: Miz and Uh, I'm it's escaping me. Who the fourth
Speaker 15: guy was?
Speaker 6: Right now?
Speaker 2: Morris, John Morrison, the Miz Our Truth and oh Zach Ryder.
Speaker 15: Yeah, and Zach Ryder, Oh, I love I Love Rider.
Speaker 15: But they did it to show the audience what a
Speaker 15: great thing, how cool the fatal full way match idea is.
Speaker 15: And then the finish of the match is what you
Speaker 15: do in fatal full ay matches. I mean the heel
Speaker 15: taking advantage of the face going over on the champion.
Speaker 15: I mean that's to me, that's the finish of the
Speaker 15: smack Down match. Sunday is Raymond Sterio hits the sixth
Speaker 15: one night on on punkin Slager. It's in his character
Speaker 15: to fly out of nowhere to puck aside and then
Speaker 15: their toss lay aside. I mean they if they had
Speaker 15: a First Blood pay per view, they wouldn't showcase, you know,
Speaker 15: first Blood match six days before the pay per view,
Speaker 15: have the heal get cut open, not have the rest
Speaker 15: see it, and then but the base open.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't do that, or are they?
Speaker 2: They'd be stupid they did.
Speaker 15: I just thought that move over the radar or everybody.
Speaker 15: I really didn't like that that idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I could see why it flew in the radar.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of stuff on that show. And
Speaker 2: also it was an okay match. I mean it was
Speaker 2: a decent TV match. But you're exactly right, Mike. The
Speaker 2: booking was, we're gonna give away that finish, We're going
Speaker 2: to give away a title change, we're gonna show you
Speaker 2: how one of these match is going to end, and
Speaker 2: like you said, it's sort of this, it sort of
Speaker 2: sid to be's attempt, I stress attempt the mark of
Speaker 2: this pay per view as anything could happen and the
Speaker 2: champion is always in jeopardy, and this sort of nonsense
Speaker 2: with a pay per view build up Brian, what was
Speaker 2: your take on the way that match was books and
Speaker 2: you they gave away just way too much. They kind
Speaker 2: of ruined that that sales pitch for the pay per
Speaker 2: view on Sunday.
Speaker 4: Well, it's nothing that we haven't seen from both T
Speaker 4: and A and WW before. They both companies are guilty
Speaker 4: of that where they will give away a few days
Speaker 4: before the pay per view that exact same match. You
Speaker 4: remember T and A has done several times where they've
Speaker 4: build up to lockdown, they'll have a cage match and
Speaker 4: six days later you're supposed to pay for it on
Speaker 4: pay per view, And it's the kind of the same
Speaker 4: concept here and you and to bring up good point
Speaker 4: their color that they they had this four way match
Speaker 4: six days before the pay per view and it's really
Speaker 4: stupid that they would they would do that, And you know,
Speaker 4: I think it's a concept that's way overused. I really
Speaker 4: hate the concept anyway that the champion may not have
Speaker 4: to be pinned and you can still lose his title.
Speaker 4: To me, you know, the titles are one that should
Speaker 4: be one on one contest who's a better man? Not
Speaker 4: you know, you will beat somebody else who's maybe the
Speaker 4: fourth best challenger and match and I beat him and
Speaker 4: I become the champion. That's not how the Super Bowls
Speaker 4: decided and to me, that's not how wrestling should be
Speaker 4: decided to either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think gonna be. It's almost an overcompensation
Speaker 2: where they want to get away from a lot of
Speaker 2: focus on traditional wrestling storytelling building toward money matches. They
Speaker 2: want to have more of these sort of events, these
Speaker 2: concept pay per views, these special attractions. It's almost like
Speaker 2: a Battle Royal every month now. They just want to
Speaker 2: have a Battle Royal and have that be their drawing card,
Speaker 2: you know, just kind of create some sort of analogy
Speaker 2: to what they're trying to do. They're trying to create
Speaker 2: this attraction every month on pay per view, but it's
Speaker 2: not drawing consistently. You've got to have those one on
Speaker 2: one matchups that people have either a guy they like
Speaker 2: or a guy they dislike, and they want to see
Speaker 2: the guy they like win or the guy they just
Speaker 2: like lose. And that's just basic stories and that's what
Speaker 2: makes money and wrestling. UFC Sports World Cup, I mean,
Speaker 2: I I mean, I'm I watched soccer, uh sometimes because
Speaker 2: you know, Houston has a local team. I got to
Speaker 2: a couple of games once in a while, but I
Speaker 2: looked in the World Cup because I want to see
Speaker 2: a team win the USA and I want to see
Speaker 2: some other teams lose. Being the other teams in our
Speaker 2: bracket or our pool have labeled, you know, so that
Speaker 2: you create that intrigue for those one on one matchups
Speaker 2: and everything feeds off of that. It's just it's just basic.
Speaker 2: It's not anything that you need to create some sort
Speaker 2: of magic formula or you know, use a cliche, reinvent
Speaker 2: the wheel on what sells pay per views and what
Speaker 2: sells tickets. It's one on one matchups. It's an issue
Speaker 2: between two people, not four people. Not hey let's combine
Speaker 2: two issues into one match. That that that waters down
Speaker 2: the whole concept. So I think that four way match
Speaker 2: on RAW I agree with I agree with Mike that
Speaker 2: it did take away from that build up and they thought,
Speaker 2: I'm sure never to be thought, Oh this is really
Speaker 2: gonna help the build up. We're gonna show how this
Speaker 2: match is gonna play out. We're gonna give a visual
Speaker 2: to the audience. I don't think so. I don't think
Speaker 2: it helped at all. So I think it probably flew
Speaker 2: under the radar just because it was probably fourth or
Speaker 2: fith's most important thing on Raw. It it was a
Speaker 2: decent match, But Mike, I think you're right on with
Speaker 2: how that match didn't really help the build up. So
Speaker 2: anything else, Mike, any other question or.
Speaker 15: Follow up, Well, let me quickly coming on that and
Speaker 15: then I'll have a question for you. But sure, it's
Speaker 15: not only that they have to conform to their pay
Speaker 15: per view gimmicks, but it's the double time and sometimes
Speaker 15: triple time of beginning match itself. I think it's one
Speaker 15: thing to have a hell in a found pay per
Speaker 15: view and paid a four pay per view, but there's
Speaker 15: this thing that we have to have a Spackdown match
Speaker 15: and the raw match to have to be that way,
Speaker 15: and I'm not so sure that we have to do.
Speaker 15: I mean, there really weren't four big contenders to the
Speaker 15: SmackDown World title, and for that matter, of the Raw
Speaker 15: World title, but they had to conform to it, and
Speaker 15: now we're I wouldn't be shocked to get a title
Speaker 15: change on Sunday between one of the two big belts,
Speaker 15: and I don't think either one of those guys should
Speaker 15: be in a position to drop the belt on Sunday.
Speaker 15: I mean, I'm not saying they both have to go
Speaker 15: into WrestleMania next year. Flag or an Seen is still
Speaker 15: the champions, but Swagger's gaining momentum and heading into Summer Slam,
Speaker 15: I think, and at Sena really doesn't need the belt,
Speaker 15: but he he's been known to have those one two
Speaker 15: month title Raine to drop him, and then we started
Speaker 15: to chase over. I wouldn't mind seeing Seena have a
Speaker 15: nice eight month run here. I really wouldn't, but that's
Speaker 15: just my opinion. And then I have a question since
Speaker 15: they have to conform again next month with the money
Speaker 15: in the bank pay per view. Yeah, do you see
Speaker 15: anyway since we obviously got instead of just having chapter
Speaker 15: two in the NXD angle on Monday, we got to
Speaker 15: about chapter six, I think, do you see them rushing
Speaker 15: into it and somehow having the rookies in their own
Speaker 15: money in the bank kind of ladder match where the
Speaker 15: where some guy get the contract or the title chet stipulation.
Speaker 15: I mean, I don't know how, but I just have
Speaker 15: an ink that they might be headed to have it
Speaker 15: some the NXD rookies and the Body in the bank
Speaker 15: pay per view next month and at the highpp for
Speaker 15: the day. You have a great weekend, guys, than if
Speaker 15: you could leave me on the phone.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, all right, Mike, we appreciate the call.
Speaker 2: Some really intriguing the points there for Mike, Brian. First
Speaker 2: of all, we'll talk about Cenn Swagger. Do they retain
Speaker 2: the titles for your prediction or and should they retain
Speaker 2: the titles? And also, I mean the kind of Mike's
Speaker 2: idea from Money in the Bank made me think about
Speaker 2: perhaps they're gonna have uh, I guess the seven remaining
Speaker 2: NXC rookies from season one perhaps and the Money in
Speaker 2: the Bank manage where one of them gets a contract
Speaker 2: or maybe Wade Barren's reinstated since he won an XC
Speaker 2: and the other six sturn of Money in the Bank match.
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's maybe that's one way to advance
Speaker 2: that storyline. Brian, what are your what's your take on
Speaker 2: those two topics of the title situation in next month's
Speaker 2: pay per view?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Mike, you know, Mike bro have a lot
Speaker 4: of good points start. So thanks for the call again,
Speaker 4: Mike can call back. Do you look at Jack Schwager,
Speaker 4: This guy has a lot it could have a lot
Speaker 4: of credibility as a champion. You do his book correctly.
Speaker 2: I think he needs to have a shot.
Speaker 4: To take a run with this belt. And you know,
Speaker 4: you can make a star out of Jack Slager here
Speaker 4: if you're going to do it properly. But the company
Speaker 4: has not gotten behind him whatsoever. I mean, has how
Speaker 4: many matches has he won since he's been the champion?
Speaker 4: A very very few matches. Yeah, yeah, it's it's very few.
Speaker 4: And he needs to have a run with the belt here.
Speaker 4: He needs to win some matches and to beat some
Speaker 4: guys so that he is viewed as a credible champion.
Speaker 4: And I think the longer title range will build interest.
Speaker 4: You know, you have a lot of quick title switches
Speaker 4: here recently, businesses pay for view wise is as low
Speaker 4: as it's been in the last several years. I think,
Speaker 4: you know, go back to where it was three four
Speaker 4: years ago when Sina had his run with the belt
Speaker 4: and let him have another one build up here to
Speaker 4: WrestleMania that he's still holding the belt and you know
Speaker 4: at some point you're gonna have a big money match
Speaker 4: between Sina and the undertaker of Russelemania. You know, why
Speaker 4: not have seen it going there champion versus a street
Speaker 4: you know type of storyliners or something like along that line.
Speaker 4: So both of these guys need to have a longer
Speaker 4: title reign, especially Schlagger needs some credibility kind of going
Speaker 4: forward because he just hasn't been booked as a credible champion,
Speaker 4: you know. And you bring up a good point about
Speaker 4: the ladder match and what direction they're going to go.
Speaker 4: It certainly seems like that's a possibility that they could
Speaker 4: go with all six of these the NXT rookies going
Speaker 4: into a ladder match for a contract. But I think
Speaker 4: it really defeats the storyline purpose that they're starting to
Speaker 4: build right now. These the NXT rookies have all come
Speaker 4: together to take on or invade WWE. Why would you
Speaker 4: throw them to fight against each other on pay per
Speaker 4: view in a ladder match for a contract. I think
Speaker 4: it makes no sense whatsoever to do that. You're reversing
Speaker 4: course on a really a hot ankle that you've got
Speaker 4: and you don't want to drop it. If if you
Speaker 4: go with the season two look East, you know, you've
Speaker 4: got a lot of guys who are too inexperienced to
Speaker 4: be climbing ladders and putting on a quality pay per
Speaker 4: view event. You know, you could do something like that.
Speaker 4: But if that's the case, then why I have next
Speaker 4: on Tuesday nights and have a show when they're competing
Speaker 4: for the contract. If all they're going to do is
Speaker 4: a month from now goal and have a ladder match
Speaker 4: on pay per view, it's it's just really no neither
Speaker 4: concept makes logical sense, and it doesn't.
Speaker 2: But I can see them doing it because I just
Speaker 2: get this feeling that the NXT invasion angle is not
Speaker 2: going to be a long term deal. I think when
Speaker 2: it first debuted two Mondays ago, it looks like something
Speaker 2: they could stretch out over six, seven, eight weeks, even
Speaker 2: a couple of months, even maybe even six months, and really,
Speaker 2: you know, build something for the entire summer into the
Speaker 2: fall that would have some momentum going into that that's
Speaker 2: fall period up against Monday Night Football. Now, after they
Speaker 2: kind of rush through a lot of content this Monday,
Speaker 2: I really get the sense that this is a short
Speaker 2: term angle and it's not something that WNB is prepared
Speaker 2: to or want to play out over a long period
Speaker 2: of time. And we might get to a point where,
Speaker 2: you know, it kind of depends on how it plays
Speaker 2: out this Sunday on the pay per view, where you know,
Speaker 2: brn Hart might say in the storyline, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give a contract to you know, I'll reinstate Wade Bart.
Speaker 2: You know, I'll give a contract to one guy if
Speaker 2: y'all agree to you know, not wreak havoc on the
Speaker 2: show anymore. And the one guy who gets the contract
Speaker 2: is the one who wins the money in the pay match,
Speaker 2: and that might be the way they get to that
Speaker 2: point and kind of throw away what could have been
Speaker 2: a long term angle. I really, I just really get
Speaker 2: that sense that they're not going long term with this,
Speaker 2: which is really disappointing because that's how I could have
Speaker 2: helped business a lot, just to get raw, something really
Speaker 2: consistent and interesting and intriguing and different and new and fresh,
Speaker 2: and then just a different concept for their show. Now
Speaker 2: it seems like it might just be another storyline, and
Speaker 2: that I think it would be a major wasted opportunity.
Speaker 2: It's just my sense of it right now, and that's unfortunate,
Speaker 2: but hopefully.
Speaker 5: I'll be wrong on that.
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Speaker 2: Let's continue on to the two one five area code
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Speaker 17: Hey, James and Bryant's Eric in Philadelphia?
Speaker 2: Hey, Eric, what's going on? Good? Have yard?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 17: Thank it's good to be on.
Speaker 2: I had a theory and a question for y'all.
Speaker 17: I want to know, what do you think if they
Speaker 17: continue to carry NXT right, making that a brand and
Speaker 17: instead of doing money in the bank next year, he
Speaker 17: turned into some type of pay per view where the
Speaker 17: winner of it, you know, instead of getting the title shot,
Speaker 17: gets to go.
Speaker 10: To Raw or smack Down.
Speaker 2: That was a theory, like, you know, some way to.
Speaker 17: You know, launch new stars on the different brand.
Speaker 11: And the second one was what do.
Speaker 17: You what do you think the Motor City machine Guns
Speaker 17: got to do to actually get the rub because they've
Speaker 17: been doing like incredible matches, especially like the exhibiting match
Speaker 17: between Alex Shelley and Christveen last year. You know, Jason
Speaker 17: was getting a rub right now. So I want to
Speaker 17: know what do you think has to for them to
Speaker 17: get detained.
Speaker 2: Type of rub good questions. Derek Brian wants you to
Speaker 2: go and take those two first, and I'll add my comments.
Speaker 4: Okay, I think Moner City machine Guns are incredibly talented.
Speaker 4: You know, they remind me of the Rock and Roll
Speaker 4: Express Midnight Express type of tag teams from back in
Speaker 4: the eighties that had all kinds of flashy, innovative moves
Speaker 4: that they did with each other onto their opponents, and
Speaker 4: it was you know, they're really a breath of fresh
Speaker 4: air and they really could make themselves stand out. You know,
Speaker 4: t and A wants to stand out from what the
Speaker 4: WWE's presenting is make MotorCity machine Guns your focal point
Speaker 4: of your taking division because they stand out from anybody
Speaker 4: in TNA and from any team in WWE right now.
Speaker 4: So there's a really bright spot, I think, and they
Speaker 4: need to get behind them.
Speaker 7: You know, maybe they need to have a.
Speaker 4: Little bit more time in front of a microphone to
Speaker 4: build themselves up as stars.
Speaker 3: And uh you know that.
Speaker 4: I think there's there's some real money to be made
Speaker 4: with those guys if they would get behind them. The
Speaker 4: first part of your question about another brand, I think,
Speaker 4: you know, we've they've tried those brands, and right now,
Speaker 4: SmackDown is clearly number two brand to Raw, and it's
Speaker 4: gonna get even worse when they lose their network affiliation
Speaker 4: and go to Sci Fi Network. To have a third
Speaker 4: brand is really going to get lost in the shuffle,
Speaker 4: and it's gonna be probably counterproductive for them to try
Speaker 4: and and build another brand because they're having a tough
Speaker 4: enough time right now building two brands to smack Down
Speaker 4: in a raw brand, Yeah, I don't see another brand
Speaker 4: being established.
Speaker 2: It would be sixty. I think with Dodoby's TV situation
Speaker 2: kind of in a transition stage and they just you know,
Speaker 2: finished up the East W brand. I just don't know
Speaker 2: if they're if they're going to go that direction. I
Speaker 2: think they're going to try to focus more on just
Speaker 2: Raw and SmackDown and develop those new stars and NXT.
Speaker 2: But I don't really see a new brand or sort
Speaker 2: of you know, having sixteen rookies kind of on their
Speaker 2: own show. But uh, the machine Guns, Dad, they should
Speaker 2: be they should be in line for a much more
Speaker 2: prominent TV slot. I think it just hasn't been the
Speaker 2: right timing. But I feel like TNA is going to
Speaker 2: start focusing on tag team wrestling with this sort of
Speaker 2: this tournament and in the pay per view next month,
Speaker 2: So I think the Gun's probably in the second half
Speaker 2: of this year, we'll have a better look on TV
Speaker 2: and just get more TV tonime. So that's ridiction to
Speaker 2: go into the weekend. We want to thank everyone for listening.
Speaker 2: Brian Hoops and I will be staying on for the
Speaker 2: VIP after show and we will talk to everyone on Monday.
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Speaker 10: Goodbye.
Speaker 5: All right, Brian, you and I are.
Speaker 2: Gonna stick around for the VIP after show, and we
Speaker 2: want to thank everyone who has listened to today's live
Speaker 2: cast into the VIP show. Probably we had a couple
Speaker 2: other TNA topics and some other news and notes before
Speaker 2: getting into some nostalgia news, because you have some some
Speaker 2: items to talk about. Report Overall, we haven't really talked
Speaker 2: about TNA impact overall that much. From last night, I
Speaker 2: thought the show was a slight thumbs up. I didn't
Speaker 2: really like the ending of the show, those last two segments,
Speaker 2: which were stinging Jeff Jarrett. I mean, I just it
Speaker 2: just feels so old and dated and just not irrelevance.
Speaker 2: I mean, Jared, this entire promotion is then built around
Speaker 2: making jareded look at Starr and trying to get him over.
Speaker 2: For eight years it has it worked, and now you
Speaker 2: have Jared and Stein kind of pretending like it's nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety nine again. And this was sort of an epidemic
Speaker 2: on this show, which is that a lot of this
Speaker 2: show just feels kind of old and stale. You get
Speaker 2: the four Horsemen now with you know what they called
Speaker 2: fortune or I think go through my list of business
Speaker 2: magazines to arrive at U's fortunate in my head. So
Speaker 2: you've got that, You've got singing Jarrett, You've got Abyss
Speaker 2: with the heel turn. Not really a big stan of that.
Speaker 2: I just think they're trying to shove Abyss down the
Speaker 2: viewers' throats one way or another, either either as a
Speaker 2: babyface or now going back to me in a heel.
Speaker 2: So I didn't like those aspects, but I still could
Speaker 2: have liked the show will slight thumbs up. But what
Speaker 2: was your overall impressure on the show and just sort
Speaker 2: of that that fortune gimmick that they try to create
Speaker 2: for some mid Carter's uh, you know, kind of playing
Speaker 2: off the four horsemen and just your overall pressure on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, overall on the show, I think it's okay.
Speaker 4: You know, it's a it's an improvement over what we've
Speaker 4: seen over the last couple of weeks. It's clearly better
Speaker 4: than Raw. It's it's a decent show. It's it's something
Speaker 4: you can watch and not be totally embarrassed about watching,
Speaker 4: like like I was watching Raw on Monday night. So
Speaker 4: it's not terrible. You know, there's there's some things that
Speaker 4: are good and some bad and made you know, mentioned
Speaker 4: a lot of that. A couple things that really bothered me.
Speaker 2: Last week.
Speaker 4: We had a match with Matt Morgan in a tag
Speaker 4: team match where he was beaten up by Hernandez and
Speaker 4: then the band came out and pinned him. And logically,
Speaker 4: why on the world would a referee allow somebody that's
Speaker 4: strapped to a backboard to have a match, or why
Speaker 4: would you even allow a match to start? I mean,
Speaker 4: if we're trying to make this into a realistic situation,
Speaker 4: wouldn't the rest stop the match because he wasn't able
Speaker 4: to defend himself. I mean, he's doing that Morgan strapped
Speaker 4: to a blackboard. He shouldn't. There's no way they should
Speaker 4: have a match. Well, then this week you have the
Speaker 4: Band being stripped of the titles because Scott Hall was fired.
Speaker 4: But then a couple of weeks ago we have the
Speaker 4: old free bird rules where any one of the three
Speaker 4: guys could defend the belts. So why can't Eric Young
Speaker 4: and Kevin Nash just defend the belts if Scott Hall
Speaker 4: has been fired? So you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 4: logic holes here still that need to be filled. But
Speaker 4: I mean the show is progressing and doing better. I
Speaker 4: like the idea of trying to elevate Kazarian and Beer
Speaker 4: Money and aj Styles and Desmond Wolf into a faction
Speaker 4: that there's really no factions in wrestling right now, and
Speaker 4: that's something that I've always enjoyed, you know, whether it
Speaker 4: be you know, the Dangerous Alliance back in the nineties,
Speaker 4: or DX or the NW, you or whatever faction seems
Speaker 4: to always span one or two guys out of that
Speaker 4: group into a main event type level star. If they
Speaker 4: can let Rick Slayer kind of stand in the background
Speaker 4: like JJ Dillon type with the Four Horsemen and not
Speaker 4: be the focal point, which clearly he's going to be
Speaker 4: the next couple weeks when they build the pay per
Speaker 4: view match. But after that, if they can get you know,
Speaker 4: AJ Styles or Wolf or somebody to be the leader,
Speaker 4: I think it's a great move and I would certainly
Speaker 4: get behind, you know, a faction like that.
Speaker 2: And those logic holes are and I think the other
Speaker 2: big one was the lack of consequences to actions. You
Speaker 2: have Abyss destroying Uh, you know Jeff Bardy and mister
Speaker 2: Anderson the Last Night Show at the end, you know,
Speaker 2: he puts Anderson through glass, injuries another wrestler in the
Speaker 2: storyline and the context of the storyline, he injured Anderson,
Speaker 2: and he throws Jeff Hardy off of a stage through
Speaker 2: a table, and you know he's gonna be rewarded, Uh,
Speaker 2: look at it that way. He's gonna be rewarded with
Speaker 2: a title shot on next week's Impact when they announce
Speaker 2: a four way match of the next pay per view,
Speaker 2: so there's no consequences to action, and there's these gaping
Speaker 2: logic holes. Like you said, Brian, they have the freebird
Speaker 2: role for the tag title situation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, one of them is dropped and they lose the belts.
Speaker 2: Well, that doesn't make any sense. It should these things
Speaker 2: where if they sat down and thought about it and
Speaker 2: they didn't try to rush through storylines and they kind
Speaker 2: of just wrote wrote it down, looked over it and thought, no,
Speaker 2: wait a second, it doesn't make sense, I think the
Speaker 2: show would seem the product overall, WOUL seemed much more credible,
Speaker 2: and I think they would repaint an audience.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of times that.
Speaker 2: Audience just sits there and probably says, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: this is just silly. I can't even take this seriously.
Speaker 2: I just want to take this show seriously and feel
Speaker 2: wrapped up in the moment. And they create these sort
Speaker 2: of things. I think it's the same that Devin de
Speaker 2: Bean does with these A team skits that are unnecessary
Speaker 2: and and w B tries to create it because they
Speaker 2: want to look mainstream and hip, and they're entertainment. They're
Speaker 2: not wrestling, they're relevant and pop culture they're not part
Speaker 2: of the wrestling industry, and I think it just takes
Speaker 2: away from the overall experience of watching a wrestling show,
Speaker 2: and you know it does just sit down and think
Speaker 2: about it and look at it and look at it
Speaker 2: and say, no, wait a second, this isn't gonna work.
Speaker 2: This doesn't work, this doesn't make sense. And too often
Speaker 2: T and A has gone with what doesn't make any
Speaker 2: sense at all. And I think it's hurt their product
Speaker 2: just so much over time. It's it's hurt their building
Speaker 2: to building an audience.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's hurt wrestling in general.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 4: I think my friends that I have, or you know,
Speaker 4: we're at the gym working out, and if we put
Speaker 4: UFC on one of the TVs, why everybody's watching it,
Speaker 4: and everybody's into it, and it's really cool. Even if
Speaker 4: wrestling comes on, you know, you usually hear your comments
Speaker 4: about it something being stupid or something being fake, and
Speaker 4: it just you know that if they could get to
Speaker 4: a point where wrestling was cool again, but you're not
Speaker 4: going to be doing that by doing some of these things,
Speaker 4: like you know, you and I just talked about. You know,
Speaker 4: a guy is strapped to a backboard and obviously it's
Speaker 4: medically hurt. But the rep starts to match and we
Speaker 4: have a match. You know what if what if they
Speaker 4: decided to drop the elbows on him from the top
Speaker 4: rope or Kevin Nashall and the power bombing instead of
Speaker 4: just pananty that. You know, it's just stuff like that
Speaker 4: just really makes a hut.
Speaker 2: Sling fan sometimes, right, And there will always be those things.
Speaker 2: Wrestling will always have that stigma because it's predetermined.
Speaker 5: And you know, oh, you have to be an idiot
Speaker 5: if you take.
Speaker 2: This seriously or if you buy in and suspend disbelief.
Speaker 5: You know it's not real, right, you.
Speaker 2: Know, so that, but you don't have to run completely
Speaker 2: the opposite direction and try to create these dramas and
Speaker 2: these these sort of action sequences to try to not
Speaker 2: be wrestling. You can still embrace wrestling in an incredible
Speaker 2: way and present it an incredible fashion, then get people
Speaker 2: to spend money when they're wrapped up and what's happening,
Speaker 2: and they're able to suspend disbelief without without feeling like
Speaker 2: you're trying to insult them or make them look stupid
Speaker 2: for watching the show. And and I think wwe be
Speaker 2: and TNA make that mistake all the time, trying to
Speaker 2: be something that they don't want to be, and they
Speaker 2: don't want to be wrestling, you know.
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Speaker 2: Huh, I also was going to bring up I was
Speaker 2: going to bring up we'll talk a little bit a
Speaker 2: lot about those sort of mainstream interviews that WWE restors
Speaker 2: have been talking about. Another topic that was kind of
Speaker 2: in the news on Wednesday was Batista and uh wait
Speaker 2: and Jason Palell talked a little bit about this yesterday
Speaker 2: on the live cast. What's what's your take on Batista
Speaker 2: sort of teasing that maybe he's interested in MMA and
Speaker 2: and maybe there's rumors of him possibly being offered a
Speaker 2: deal by Strikeforce, so maybe get a couple of fights.
Speaker 2: Forty one years old, history of injuries, no real formal
Speaker 2: training in the sport. I mean, he's not gonna get
Speaker 2: by in just his size. You know, that's just not
Speaker 2: gonna work. What's your take on the percentage of Batista
Speaker 2: ever setting foot in an m and A ring for
Speaker 2: an official fight.
Speaker 4: I think it's less than Kurd Angle doing that. You know,
Speaker 4: you could see Kurt Angle doing it because he's got
Speaker 4: the wrestling background, he's got that wrestler's mentality. Well, you
Speaker 4: have to be just so mentally tough to make it
Speaker 4: in MMA. But with Batista, with his his mentality is
Speaker 4: like you said, his injured, his age, the fact that
Speaker 4: he's never wrestled on a competitive level like you have
Speaker 4: to be to be competitive in MMA, I think it's
Speaker 4: very very doubtful he'll ever step foot inside a cage.
Speaker 4: And if it is, I think it's you know, it's
Speaker 4: gonna be more of an attraction type of an event.
Speaker 4: You know, you do have to look at some standpoint.
Speaker 4: Crucial Walker forty eight years old. He didn't have any
Speaker 4: wrestling background, but was in tremendous shape, trained and ended
Speaker 4: up fighting at least one time, and maybe he will
Speaker 4: again for Strikeforce. It's not impossible that they'll offer Batista
Speaker 4: a deal because you know, a name like his would
Speaker 4: arouse a lot of curiosity, and that's what Strikeforce is
Speaker 4: looking for, is that curiosity factor. You know, they've let
Speaker 4: the Canseco do a match and he has probably less
Speaker 4: business than than Batista in the ring, But you'll never
Speaker 4: I don't think you'll see Batista at the level of
Speaker 4: a UFC event, where you have to be much better
Speaker 4: of a fighter than what the what Strike Force is
Speaker 4: willing to put on for a show. So I could
Speaker 4: see him him possibly doing it. And apparently he's lost
Speaker 4: a lot of weight since he's left w W and
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, hate to say say this, but they.
Speaker 18: Do drug testing in m m A.
Speaker 2: So yeah, when I when I heard about that, I
Speaker 2: believe they melts A reported that on the rest of observer,
Speaker 2: I thought, oh, oh, I guess you know, you leave
Speaker 2: WW and uh, you kind of you drop weight because
Speaker 2: you're trying to get into acting and you're not really
Speaker 2: bulking up, and maybe you're not trying to find a
Speaker 2: way around the wellness policy. I'm not saying he was.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't have any proofs. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: that there are ways around that wellness policy as uh
Speaker 2: during the bid walk coverage that had I believe someone
Speaker 2: equated it to you know, Swiss cheese with poles just
Speaker 2: all over that policy.
Speaker 4: So very my favorite, my favorite line as a guy
Speaker 4: who says life never failed a test. Well, yeah, that
Speaker 4: that may be true. You've never failed, but have you
Speaker 4: ever taken one?
Speaker 16: You know?
Speaker 4: Or or what type of tests have you have? You
Speaker 4: Bacon heres, There's there's a big difference on how they
Speaker 4: phrase their answers to that question.
Speaker 2: That's Scott Steiner's favorite line. When anybody ever brings it up,
Speaker 2: he says, well, I've never failed a test, go for it. Never,
Speaker 2: I've never been put in jail.
Speaker 4: But it doesn't mean I haven't broken you know, I
Speaker 4: haven't been seating or broken law either.
Speaker 2: So right, yeah, yeah, but let's wrap up with I
Speaker 2: guess just a final word on the pay per view
Speaker 2: on Sunday. Do you recommend it as a skippable? Is
Speaker 2: there enough intrigue with the NXT deals maybe warrens a
Speaker 2: buy or maybe gathering a group of guys together or
Speaker 2: gals and supporting that that cost what what's your take
Speaker 2: on whether it's a kind of what kind of month
Speaker 2: is it in terms of whether forty four dollars is
Speaker 2: worth the price of admission?
Speaker 4: You know, I think there's probably gonna be a lot
Speaker 4: of people that are gonna skip this paper view because
Speaker 4: there isn't that emotional attachment that that's needed to uh,
Speaker 4: you know, to buy it. I think if you can
Speaker 4: get together with a group of friends and you want
Speaker 4: to hang out with them, there's no UFC event that's
Speaker 4: gonna draw that type of an event or crowd away.
Speaker 4: So there will be some people that will do that
Speaker 4: type of purchasing and get together, you know, you know,
Speaker 4: it'll be a lot of fun. I think to do that.
Speaker 4: But I think for the average viewer who's going to
Speaker 4: watch it in their house, they're probably gonna pass on
Speaker 4: this one just there's just not a real intriguing matchup
Speaker 4: or emotional emotional investment in this uh in this event,
Speaker 4: So I think the Bier eight won't be very because
Speaker 4: it's this time around.
Speaker 11: I agree.
Speaker 2: I think it's one of those pay per views where
Speaker 2: you can skip it and you can read about what happened,
Speaker 2: and then you can see maybe highlights on Raw the
Speaker 2: next night, and you probably won't feel like you missed out.
Speaker 2: I mean borrowing a major angle. I mean that they've
Speaker 2: been hyping it as anything could happen, So unless there
Speaker 2: is something historic that happens that you're gonna feel bad
Speaker 2: that you didn't get to see. I really don't think
Speaker 2: this paper B lineup is strong enough for war to buy.
Speaker 2: I think it's a I'll read about it online and
Speaker 2: I'll see highlights on Raw the next night, but I
Speaker 2: really don't think it's worth spending forty five dollars on.
Speaker 2: That's kind of the vibe I gets this month, which
Speaker 2: seems to be happening all too much lately since wrestle Mania.
Speaker 2: They've had three pay per views since WrestleMania, counting on Sunday,
Speaker 2: and I think all three of them have kind of
Speaker 2: been well. It's a good decent maybe maybe a strong lineup,
Speaker 2: but is there really worth ordering and watching? Maybe not so,
Speaker 2: and I don't think there's anything can happen for a
Speaker 2: concept is helping that at all. I think it's reinforcing
Speaker 2: that these are kind of skippable pay per views because
Speaker 2: there isn't that real intriguing one on one matchup that
Speaker 2: is since centered around an issue that's been building for
Speaker 2: months and months or has been really hot on TV,
Speaker 2: and it just isn't that matchup this month.
Speaker 4: And yeah, you can get together with your friends and
Speaker 4: kick in five bucks for the pay per view, you'll
Speaker 4: probably do it. And if you've got to sit it
Speaker 4: home by yourself and a lot tip through forty five,
Speaker 4: you'll probably will skip it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Let's wrap up on some Nostalgia news
Speaker 2: and notes. Grizzly Smith was in the news.
Speaker 5: He died.
Speaker 2: I guess it was last week. I guess it's been
Speaker 2: a week since then, and you covered him on your
Speaker 2: on the Nostalgia Podcast and George Shire this week also
Speaker 2: you had some news and notes on the Waterloo Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame with that roundtable panel. So Brian, go ahead
Speaker 2: and go ahead and touch on those topics on Grizzly
Speaker 2: Smith and that roundtable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked about this on the Nostalgia Podcast this week.
Speaker 4: So if fams want to go back in and listen
Speaker 4: to more of what George and I talked about Grizzly Smith,
Speaker 4: you certainly welcome to. In the VIP session, we touched
Speaker 4: on him real briefly. His career spanned mostly the sixties
Speaker 4: and seventies. He you know, is known as one half
Speaker 4: of the Kentuckians, kind of a hillbilly type gimmick. He
Speaker 4: was built as being six' ten three point. Fifty george
Speaker 4: had seen him down wrestling down In oklahoma and he
Speaker 4: thought maybe he was a six, five six to six
Speaker 4: type of. Guy and you, know of course we're always
Speaker 4: exaggerating wrestling a little bit twenty thirty pounds on the,
Speaker 4: weight several inches in, heights and so his best known
Speaker 4: as a part of the tag, team had a lot
Speaker 4: of interaction with The assassins and drew some money for
Speaker 4: about a decade of wrestling Against Jody hamilton as one
Speaker 4: part of The. Assassins of, course he is the father
Speaker 4: Of Jake roberts and also the father to two other
Speaker 4: wrestlers not quite as well known As Jake, roberts by
Speaker 4: the name Of Sam houston And rock And, robins so,
Speaker 4: yeah fans may remember.
Speaker 2: Him and.
Speaker 4: As far as the, water The hall Of fame did
Speaker 4: quite a bit of talking with some guys this. Year
Speaker 4: i'm in charge of getting the roundtable lined. Up we
Speaker 4: got to finalize this. Week we've Got Tom, andrews who
Speaker 4: wrestled as The claw in a lot of. Areas he
Speaker 4: also wrestled as The intern under a, mask and so
Speaker 4: he's gonna be on the. Panel baron Von rafski is
Speaker 4: going to be on the panel as, Well so we'll
Speaker 4: have The claw and The Claw master on the, panel
Speaker 4: and we'll also Have Terry, Funk So i'll be doing
Speaker 4: the moderating of the, panel and and we'll have three
Speaker 4: guys who really worked a lot of the, territories uh you,
Speaker 4: know From Saint louis And Central states and THE, awa
Speaker 4: and of course The funks owned The Amarillo territory In,
Speaker 4: texas And terry worked, everywhere and guys worked In canada And.
Speaker 4: Japan so all these guys are gonna be great experts
Speaker 4: to talk about our our topic of restling. Territory so
Speaker 4: that's gonna be a fun event coming up in a
Speaker 4: couple of, weeks and that will be made into a COMMEMORATIVE.
Speaker 4: Dvd i've been finalizing that this week as, well and
Speaker 4: also want to let our coach listeners know THAT i
Speaker 4: talked With Scott Slash, norton who a lot of fans
Speaker 4: may remember from A vicious And delicious tag, team was About,
Speaker 4: bagwell part of THE nWo and he is going to
Speaker 4: be a guest next week with me on The Nostalgia
Speaker 4: podcast Toward george is taking a week off of vacation,
Speaker 4: time So slash is going to take his spot and
Speaker 4: we're going to talk about his career next.
Speaker 2: Week very, nice that's a that's a good. Get SO
Speaker 2: i know he's, well he's been In. JAPAN i MEAN
Speaker 2: i follow him On twitter AND i know he kind
Speaker 2: of tweets about being In japan all the. TIME i
Speaker 2: think he was In he might have been In mexico
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago or something Of Giant. Bernard but,
Speaker 2: yeah that should be a very interesting conversation With. Norton
Speaker 2: do you know what kind of topics y'all got to
Speaker 2: be covering or kind of a career, span kind of
Speaker 2: recap in his entire, career recent. Events what's gonna gonna
Speaker 2: be the topic or the.
Speaker 4: Conversation, YEAH i had emailed being today some topics of
Speaker 4: ideas that we're gonna talk, about and mostly gonna be
Speaker 4: about his career and, uh you, know things that he
Speaker 4: saw backstage and his. Accomplishments AND i would actually, uh
Speaker 4: Any torch listeners out there that have a question For,
Speaker 4: scott you can email me And i'll be glad to
Speaker 4: Ask scott anything. Specifically Torch nostalgia at gmail dot com
Speaker 4: would be my email, address and, yeah it's just gonna
Speaker 4: be a mainly focused on his. Career and he originally From,
Speaker 4: minneapolis is now living in uh In, Tennessee nashville area
Speaker 4: with to be with his father who's been diagnosed with.
Speaker 4: Cancer so he's out living out there with him and
Speaker 4: his wife now.
Speaker 2: Very. Good so that's a nice scoop to to close
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 3: On so that will be.
Speaker 2: Up uh do you know what you're doing the interview
Speaker 2: where you're gonna have the interview up for the FOR
Speaker 2: vip of.
Speaker 4: Members, Well i'm gonna do it tomorrow or no, excuse
Speaker 4: you want to do it On monday With scott because
Speaker 4: he is then traveling back To. Minneapolis so that was
Speaker 4: really about the only time it would work Now george
Speaker 4: is gonna be here next, week so we'll probably archive
Speaker 4: that podcast until the twenty, EIGHTH i, believe BECAUSE i
Speaker 4: don't have another guest for that. Week So scott will
Speaker 4: be interviewed next week and then put on The torch
Speaker 4: THE ip section a week after that most.
Speaker 2: Likely very, good very, Good so a good good note
Speaker 2: to clothes On, brian and thanks again for joining me
Speaker 2: today and we'll definitely hear from you next. Week and
Speaker 2: of course everyone in The TORCH vip audio section can
Speaker 2: listen To brian's interview With Scott norton in a couple of,
Speaker 2: weeks and we'll have more details on The hall Of
Speaker 2: fame In, Waterloo iowa And brian's involvement in that roundtable
Speaker 2: in the coming weeks before. That So, brian thanks again for,
Speaker 2: costing and we want to thank everyone for listening and
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Speaker 2: i are also gonna be talking about the pay per
Speaker 2: view for the listeners coming up with about fifty nine
Speaker 2: minutes and so raw at the top of the hour
Speaker 2: at nine O'clock, eastern what was what was your overall
Speaker 2: thought on that pay per view last? Night did you
Speaker 2: think it was a step in the right, direction a step,
Speaker 2: back or just sort of another pay per view on
Speaker 2: the calendar FOR.
Speaker 6: WWE i found this to.
Speaker 7: Be more of a holding pattern type pay per. View you,
Speaker 7: know there wasn't a. Lot it really felt like the
Speaker 7: focus WAS i was on the mid. Card there's a
Speaker 7: lot of mid card stuff. Happening there are only five,
Speaker 7: matches and ounce ahead of time cart did not look
Speaker 7: that's strong going. In so if you ordered the event
Speaker 7: with that, feeling you may have been pleasantly. SURPRISED i,
Speaker 7: mean there were some good. Matches The SmackDown Four way
Speaker 7: was was good bourg In, jericho probably arguably the best
Speaker 7: match of the, night and of course they're there all
Speaker 7: Four way was also, another, uh pretty decent. Match you
Speaker 7: had some disappointments on the, shelf for, sure one of
Speaker 7: them being our troopers of the miss another one being
Speaker 7: the involvement of THE nxt. CREW i think there's you
Speaker 7: could consider that a, disappointment being that you know they
Speaker 7: they did have a hand in the Ww championship, match
Speaker 7: specifically the result of. It but if you were looking
Speaker 7: at this event for really the coming out party for
Speaker 7: THE nxc season, one rookies as far as really getting
Speaker 7: put over uh more similarly to their first attack On
Speaker 7: raw two weeks, ago three weeks ago, now but then
Speaker 7: you were probably disappointed they didn't appear in the show
Speaker 7: until that main. Event Brett hard wasn't. There so the
Speaker 7: much hyped segment On raw last week Where Waite barrett
Speaker 7: in THE Nxt season one crew demanded an answer From
Speaker 7: brett hardabout ONCE i think get contracts This sunday didn't.
Speaker 7: Happen SO i don't know if they're gonna continue that
Speaker 7: On raw tonight or what the deal is with, that
Speaker 7: BUT i guess we'll have to tune in and find.
Speaker 2: Out, YEAH i imagine the follow up will BE i
Speaker 2: imagine there will be decent follow up tonight ON. RAW
Speaker 2: i think they're gonna save a lot of the developments
Speaker 2: for tonight's show as opposed to having a lot of
Speaker 2: it on last night's, show the mentality, being, well not
Speaker 2: a whole lot of people are watching the pay per
Speaker 2: view compared to our OUR tv, show so we'll say
Speaker 2: more of the storyline For raw the next. Night BUT i, really,
Speaker 2: really really really disagree with the booking of that main.
Speaker 2: Event any taking the belt Off. SCENA i, mean if
Speaker 2: you're gonna think the belt Off swagger and put On Raymond,
Speaker 2: serial at least one of your top champions needs a,
Speaker 2: lengthy decent title. Run they have hot shotted so many
Speaker 2: title changes in twenty, ten even going back to last.
Speaker 2: Year they needed someone just to have some stability at
Speaker 2: the top of the card in terms of being a
Speaker 2: long term. CHAMPION i really disagreed with taking the belt
Speaker 2: off Both swagger And sena on the same night and
Speaker 2: not even in a clean. FINISH i, Mean caine did
Speaker 2: a run in during the during The world title, match
Speaker 2: and he have THE nxt rookies did their run in
Speaker 2: and seam that's kind of you, know sneaks in the
Speaker 2: back door Of pennasina to get the ww. TITLE i
Speaker 2: just disagree with that, book and especially out of pay
Speaker 2: per view people paying forty five. Dollars i'm going to
Speaker 2: at least deliver one clean, finish even one of your
Speaker 2: two marquee.
Speaker 7: Matchups and you know the Fun the funny thing about
Speaker 7: that is that the announcers spend so much time hyping
Speaker 7: up that the champion only had a twenty five percent
Speaker 7: chance every TEAMING i, mean they hyped it up on
Speaker 7: every show for the nast two or three weeks leading
Speaker 7: up to the to the actual pay per, view and
Speaker 7: In wweland that easily is signaled to the viewer that
Speaker 7: at least one of these champions is going to, retain you,
Speaker 7: know because the announcers are never. Right just look at you,
Speaker 7: know when they're calling a cover and, oh he's got him,
Speaker 7: here this is, it and then to kick out of.
Speaker 7: Course so it's like When homer wrote on and paying
Speaker 7: them The, simpsons to the opposite of What bart tells.
Speaker 7: You you wanted, to right on your, hand to the
Speaker 7: opposite or think the opposite of what the announcers, say
Speaker 7: and so you're always so you almost came into the
Speaker 7: event expecting champions to, retain and you're right that that
Speaker 7: would have been especially For, swagger that would have been
Speaker 7: the right move And, sina but for different. Reasons, sina
Speaker 7: because that Ww, championships like you, said been hotshotted so
Speaker 7: many times and been around the wate of so many
Speaker 7: different competitors the last few months that it really needs
Speaker 7: to stay on someone for several. Months i'm tucking six.
Speaker 7: Months For, swagger it's more of you, know he's done
Speaker 7: well with the. Title he's lost a lot OF tv
Speaker 7: matches and that belt was the THING hm. Credibility now
Speaker 7: where does he go from? HERE i think it's a
Speaker 7: nice reward For Ring mysterio for BASICALLY wwe calling him
Speaker 7: back from a vacation they promised him because of The undertaker's.
Speaker 7: Injuries SO i GUESS i suppose it's a nice gesture.
Speaker 7: There the thing to remember when we're talking about this
Speaker 7: and the reason for all the hotshots booking and the
Speaker 7: titles changing hands so constantly is because things changed IN
Speaker 7: wwe as far as, creative from probably hour to, hour
Speaker 7: let alone day to. Day And vince McMann is well
Speaker 7: known for changing his mind several, times getting hot and
Speaker 7: cold on a rest part at a moment's notice with
Speaker 7: little or no. Reason so that could be one of
Speaker 7: the explanations for why the title changes hands so. Often
Speaker 7: is The evince just you, know ww is his. Plaything
Speaker 7: he's not satisfied with with what's going on for whatever
Speaker 7: reason that he comes up within his, head so he
Speaker 7: wants to change the belt and keep things, interesting.
Speaker 2: Right and they also that jagline about you, know this
Speaker 2: is the night where anything could, happen and they felt
Speaker 2: the need to peraps fulfill that advertising that they hammered
Speaker 2: home on media interviews and ON. TV i JUST i
Speaker 2: just really disagree with A burrow business. PERSPECTIVE i, mean
Speaker 2: it really could have had a really nice pay per
Speaker 2: view main event, two, three four months down the road
Speaker 2: If seena had kept that belt or Even, swagger uh you,
Speaker 2: know for six seven months like you, Said, greg and
Speaker 2: then had this strong one on one. Matchup now you're
Speaker 2: gonna have to go back to just resetting instead of
Speaker 2: resetting both of your title. PICTURES i, Mean swagger's gonna
Speaker 2: get his. Rematch scene's gonna get his. Rematch we're not
Speaker 2: sure if they're gonna save it from money to, bank
Speaker 2: maybe give it away ON. Tv BUT i, mean just
Speaker 2: some consistency at the top of the. Card they need
Speaker 2: that it for. BUSINESS i, mean they don't have a
Speaker 2: lot of, stars they don't have a a dearth of
Speaker 2: star power where they can just you, know hotshot the
Speaker 2: belts around and depend on the stars and out. Business
Speaker 2: they need a strong quest a strong, champion some you,
Speaker 2: know just a strong storyline that brings some stability to
Speaker 2: the top of the. Card THE nxt deal is fine
Speaker 2: line for great in some intrig FOR. Tv you, know
Speaker 2: you get seeing it being chased by seven young rookie.
Speaker 2: Upstars so that's a that's a good storyline FOR tv,
Speaker 2: Purposes BUT i still think you need a strong, champion
Speaker 2: and and THEN i don't see seam as being the
Speaker 2: guy that keep the belts on for a. WHILE i
Speaker 2: don't See ray being the guy that keep the belts
Speaker 2: on for a. WHILE i, mean you cover Smack down
Speaker 2: Every friday, Night, rag what do you make of where
Speaker 2: they're gonna go With ray's? Champion do you where do
Speaker 2: you See smudger getting his? Rematch do you see a
Speaker 2: big show staying in that? Picture where to see him
Speaker 2: punk go from? HERE i mean they seem to set
Speaker 2: up a cane and see him punk viewed yet. Again
Speaker 2: but once you're taking the direction of Smack, dinner where
Speaker 2: they're going from?
Speaker 7: Here, yeah based on the hype going into this four
Speaker 7: way match this Past, sunday it almost really not Like
Speaker 7: punk And mysterios feud once. Settled Uh so you know
Speaker 7: my pick would be for my own reasons and match
Speaker 7: quality being probably very high on the, list punk and
Speaker 7: the feuding over the. Belt, however you know you don't
Speaker 7: Want swagger to be too far out of the, picture
Speaker 7: because LIKE i, said he's earned it with his performance
Speaker 7: on THE mic and and The rain is, champion so
Speaker 7: you kind of want to stick him. CLOSE i suppose
Speaker 7: this give The big show could. Continue but then you
Speaker 7: brought up a good point With kine attacking to see
Speaker 7: Him punk in The Trade Edge society last night at
Speaker 7: the end of the, match so that would seem to
Speaker 7: Signal kine And punk getting together and having some sort
Speaker 7: of feud, again like you, said and you know the last,
Speaker 7: time the last time they got together in the, ring
Speaker 7: and we saw the result with THE, gps so THAT
Speaker 7: i don't Think punk has ever performed a while On,
Speaker 7: kane AND i don't think it's Completely punk's. FALL i say,
Speaker 7: that and you know obvious reasons. Why it's just it doesn't,
Speaker 7: Work so you, KNOW i don't really. KNOW i don't
Speaker 7: know if that attack was more residual from what happened
Speaker 7: On SmackDown With punk And Luke gallo dressing up as
Speaker 7: The undertaker and basically just creating his memory In kane's.
Speaker 7: MIND i don't know if that was what it was,
Speaker 7: from or if this is really something that's leading Into
Speaker 7: cain believing and having good reason to think That punk
Speaker 7: was the one who Put undertaker on the. SHOP i
Speaker 7: anticipated This friday and thanks getting stringed out a bit
Speaker 7: with all three of those.
Speaker 4: Fews really.
Speaker 2: And one more note before we move on to live
Speaker 2: callers From, SmackDown is Like Kobe Kingston drew McIntire, match
Speaker 2: the opening match of the pay per view too long
Speaker 2: Involved Matt hardy involved when that storyline seemed to catch
Speaker 2: off with the live crowd laughs side the pay per,
Speaker 2: view they seem to be pretty hot for the entire story,
Speaker 2: along you, know fainning the three, Count Matt hardy with
Speaker 2: the run In kobe retaining the crowd seemed to be
Speaker 2: pretty in tune with that, story which was a good.
Speaker 2: SIGN i, mean Obviously drew back guitar of the. Storyline
Speaker 2: his his OUs is that he was screwed by a
Speaker 2: conspiracy and that sort of. Thing that's the. Storyline where
Speaker 2: do you see that storyline?
Speaker 4: Going is it?
Speaker 6: Over is it?
Speaker 2: Continuing does macantar regained the? Belt do you think where's nothing? Going?
Speaker 12: OH i have to believe it leads Into.
Speaker 7: Matt Hardy drew McIntyre. FEUD i don't know how, soon
Speaker 7: but you, know that's two losses in a row now
Speaker 7: for McIntire Against kingston and consecutive pay per, Views so you,
Speaker 7: know it would be difficult even with the clouts behind
Speaker 7: him Of vince, McMahon it'd be difficult for the fans to,
Speaker 7: really you, know stomach another month of McIntyre chasing the
Speaker 7: entertainmental title when he's lost two times in a. Row,
Speaker 7: yeah the crowd was hot for that was. Interesting even
Speaker 7: more than the crowd being. Hot was the crowd obviously
Speaker 7: A Long island crowd Was he'll heavy last. Night they
Speaker 7: were cheering for The heels all night, long pretty. MUCH
Speaker 7: i mean they were cheering for the minutes they were
Speaker 7: cheering For. Jericho they were arguably Anti, sena so to see, them,
Speaker 7: yeah AND i don't think they WERE i don't think
Speaker 7: they were really Behind kingston. Either BUT i thought the
Speaker 7: pop That Teddy long got uh for for his role
Speaker 7: in the story and in the match was pretty was pretty.
Speaker 7: Good you, know you don't usually see that for somebody
Speaker 7: who's been as it's been as vanilla As Teddy long
Speaker 7: has been written to be in the last however many.
Speaker 7: Years he's Been Gimo SmackDown and it als theemmed from
Speaker 7: The Friday. NIGHT i, mean he got great heat on
Speaker 7: the Show friday night when McIntyre was belittling him in
Speaker 7: there quote unquote, Match SO i seed to hear you
Speaker 7: over the pay per view last, night which was nice
Speaker 7: to see because THEN i think really added to the
Speaker 7: angle in the end of the, match right it would.
Speaker 2: Have it wouldn't have been good if there was no
Speaker 2: pops for For teddy long stainding that three. KID i,
Speaker 2: mean that was a big, moment and that was a
Speaker 2: big make or break moment the entire. Storyline so that
Speaker 2: was a really good sign for that storyline that there
Speaker 2: was such a big pop for that. MOMENT i ALMOST
Speaker 2: i credited to the writing of that. Storyline and ALSO
Speaker 2: i think through McIntyre's finally starting to get over as a.
Speaker 2: HEEL i mean there WAS i remember last MONTH'S pa per,
Speaker 2: view he came up for that match With kobe and
Speaker 2: there was no reaction at. ALL i, mean his music
Speaker 2: hit it was dead that still starts with me from
Speaker 2: last MONTH'S pa per. VIEW i think now he's finally
Speaker 2: they finally have found a way to get him over
Speaker 2: as a heel without it seeming like they're shoving him
Speaker 2: down singing, Throats but would you agree with that after
Speaker 2: what we saw last.
Speaker 7: Night, well the REASON i guess for fans to feel
Speaker 7: they're not shoving McIntire down their throats anymore is that
Speaker 7: he's doing a lot of losing and he's coming out
Speaker 7: on the losing end of a lot of a lot
Speaker 7: of segments That Matt. HARDY i, mean there are segments
Speaker 7: where he got beat up By Matt hardy And Coach
Speaker 7: keith in the same. Segment so you, know that may
Speaker 7: be one of the reasons that he's, been you, know more.
Speaker 7: Accepted he's getting the pay per view opportunities and then
Speaker 7: opportunities ON tv to have longer matches to really portray
Speaker 7: his character in the, rain not just on the, mic
Speaker 7: WHICH i think can go a long way to getting
Speaker 7: over with the fans even at the.
Speaker 2: Heel you, Know.
Speaker 7: I've never really had a big problem with, him even
Speaker 7: if find his. DEBUT i Know wade has been critical
Speaker 7: of McIntyre at, times But i've Always i've been a,
Speaker 7: fan and you know I've but then, AGAIN i THINK
Speaker 7: i may be partial to him more for his theme
Speaker 7: music than anything, else WHICH i think is the best
Speaker 7: in the business right, now AND i really ENJOY i
Speaker 7: really enjoy bringing that. Up so you, know that may
Speaker 7: skew my view in favor of him take up the
Speaker 7: theme music and Maybe i'm looking at a different, Guy but,
Speaker 7: YEAH i don't really have a big problem with McIntyre
Speaker 7: and the ring around THE. MIC i think he's done
Speaker 7: a very good. Job AND i know there's, been you,
Speaker 7: know talks of, management him having heat with management for you,
Speaker 7: know his his entering work not improving and and just
Speaker 7: his attitude. Backstage BUT i don't find his er work
Speaker 7: full on average or anything like. That but you, know
Speaker 7: for a guy in his, POSITION i guess they want.
Speaker 4: To see, more and that's that's completely.
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Speaker 5: REPORTS i thought it really improved last.
Speaker 2: NIGHT i saw and more Aggressive drew McIntyre during that
Speaker 2: during the. Match even before that that story developed at
Speaker 2: the ref bump And Teddy lung's interference or intervention, WHATEVER
Speaker 2: i saw a more aggressive McIntyre in the, ring AND
Speaker 2: i thought that was a very good step in the
Speaker 2: right direction for. HIM i thought he really he really
Speaker 2: presented himself like he was trying to win a fight
Speaker 2: and not just sort of this exhibition of everyone's sort
Speaker 2: of the way the way weve puts it is everybody's
Speaker 2: here to watch me and do WHAT i, do And
Speaker 2: i'm just going to act like What i'm doing is
Speaker 2: the most important thing in the entire world right. NOW
Speaker 2: i thought it was a more aggressive attack and more
Speaker 2: aggressive in ring style and ma gets are more fitting
Speaker 2: of his. CHARACTERS i thought that was worth noting from
Speaker 2: last night's pay per, view and they kind of set
Speaker 2: up the angle at the end of at the end
Speaker 2: of that, match so it's an endorsement for McIntyre to
Speaker 2: start the. Show so that's always a good. THING i
Speaker 2: guess that's For. Greg, oh, YEAH i like.
Speaker 7: McIntyre i guess it's a good. Thing if you're listening
Speaker 7: and You drew McIntyre and you're hearing, THIS i guess
Speaker 7: it's a good. Thing BUT i don't really know if
Speaker 7: it matters to some of the fans who already made
Speaker 7: up the decision on.
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Speaker 19: From, hey, guys this is, Conference Say, Paul Hey?
Speaker 2: Tom what's going?
Speaker 7: On?
Speaker 2: Uh not too?
Speaker 19: Much couple of pots for you. Guys one have you
Speaker 19: guys About? RAY i guess this is only a second
Speaker 19: huddle run.
Speaker 2: In the w W. E, Greg what's what's your take On?
Speaker 2: Ray we're talked a little bit about, it But Todd
Speaker 2: warren Tump, on is this the right move for him
Speaker 2: at this stage of his career more than just sort
Speaker 2: of a reward for sticking? Around? Uh when When undertaker went?
Speaker 2: Down what's your take On ray as champion and and
Speaker 2: just how that affects The SmackDown? Brand, well if.
Speaker 7: You're following ON tv and watching, it this this title
Speaker 7: range seemed to come out of.
Speaker 2: Nowhere.
Speaker 7: Uh you know he got the PIN i believe On friday?
Speaker 7: Night uh in The Tag Team maine.
Speaker 10: Event.
Speaker 7: Uh and we kind of joked in our check posted
Speaker 7: on pwe touch dot Com james that that pretty much
Speaker 7: rolled Out ray of Winning. Sunday so for for him
Speaker 7: to get to, win, yeah so for him to get
Speaker 7: to win in the tag match the pay and then
Speaker 7: at tag match On, friday and then when On sunday
Speaker 7: really tells me that this was probably a last minute
Speaker 7: moved to put the decision to put the belt on
Speaker 7: On mysterio and the fact that a couple with, that
Speaker 7: the fact that it hasn't really been. PUSHED i mean
Speaker 7: he's been he's been pushing the main eventor on Smack on,
Speaker 7: obviously but he certainly hasn't really been pushed lately as
Speaker 7: a title. Contender so you, know this is a surprise
Speaker 7: from a lot of different. Angles uh you, know why
Speaker 7: they put the belt on him and not Say Sam
Speaker 7: punk Or Big show is debatable why he decided the
Speaker 7: title Off Jack. Schwegger you, know we may never, know
Speaker 7: but uh, yeah his Second world title. Reign his first
Speaker 7: one didn't go that, well to be, honest you, know
Speaker 7: losing often in non title matches ON. Tv they put
Speaker 7: in in a no win. Position really with a guy
Speaker 7: Like Great. Khalie Uh so HOPEFULLY i don't see this
Speaker 7: as a long term, thing, certainly WHICH i suppose that
Speaker 7: they like the ww changes with the. Belts you can
Speaker 7: say that about anybody, winning BUT i really think That
Speaker 7: this is more of a transition to someone, else a
Speaker 7: good will. Gesture you, know he he's the guy w
Speaker 7: can count. On he's got the fans behind, him he's
Speaker 7: got the kids behind, him he's got the, merchandising so
Speaker 7: it certainly doesn't hurt them putting the belt on The
Speaker 7: serea would just come at an odd time and was quite.
Speaker 2: Surprising, tom did you have another question you wanted to
Speaker 2: ask or a follow up On?
Speaker 19: Ray, well it was another, question you, know with THE
Speaker 19: wwe always having these no gimmick pay per. VIEWS i
Speaker 19: was looking online earlier today at some of the you,
Speaker 19: know the specialty matches they have on their. Website why
Speaker 19: do they always pick the crappiest gimmicks for their pay per?
Speaker 19: VIEWS i mean there's some looking at some like A
Speaker 19: pumanji prison type. MATCH i, mean for like The hell
Speaker 19: in The cell pay per. View couldn't they do like
Speaker 19: One hell in The, cell One pumanji prison or however
Speaker 19: you pronounce the type? Thing you, know have some of
Speaker 19: the more entertaining that choose one of these.
Speaker 2: Things, DUDE i don't know if we want to see
Speaker 2: it In joppy prison Match dragon The wild who was
Speaker 2: in was that colleague and, uh What lashley was? IT
Speaker 2: i can't remember it Was lashley or getting the elevated.
Speaker 2: Enzymes and that's that. Point that was a couple of years.
Speaker 2: AGO i Think, tom to answer your, QUESTION i think
Speaker 2: that they look in as how can we best present
Speaker 2: a pay per view concept where it seems like the
Speaker 2: champion or champions are in jeopardy and elimination, chamber you've
Speaker 2: got five other people going after that. Title you have
Speaker 2: that this pay per, view you had three other challengers
Speaker 2: going for the title on each of the four way.
Speaker 2: Matches we don't know what they're gonna do with the
Speaker 2: money in the bank, yet BUT i think when they
Speaker 2: look at that elimination chamber in the four, ways they're
Speaker 2: trying to create the situation where you're paying money almost
Speaker 2: with the guarantee of a major title changing. Hands and
Speaker 2: one thing they have done is they've not given Away
Speaker 2: world or w title matches on T tv very, often
Speaker 2: but they have changed the title very often on pay per.
Speaker 2: View but it doesn't help. BUSINESS i think when you
Speaker 2: have all the concept, matches it just doesn't a very
Speaker 2: organic and building to something where they're you, know in this,
Speaker 2: case there were three rightful uh, content three contenders with
Speaker 2: rightful claims to the. Title it was, just, well let's
Speaker 2: just stick three guys in the match as. Contenders AND
Speaker 2: i think that's what they're trying to do is have
Speaker 2: this artificial idea of the champion or champions are in
Speaker 2: jeopardy and you're gonna pay money to see a title.
Speaker 2: Change that's almost with they're, Guaranteeing, Gregory do you want
Speaker 2: to add more fonts or more commentary on? That?
Speaker 7: Yeah for FOR i think The punchai prison match is
Speaker 7: a bad example because it's one basically that was quote
Speaker 7: unquote created for The Great. Klie so how do you
Speaker 7: how do you you know makes sense in the storyline
Speaker 7: terms Of John cena taking on uh you, know someone
Speaker 7: must He randy or in A punjavi prison. Match, geez
Speaker 7: that'll be a free sight right. There the thing, is you,
Speaker 7: know obviously this is this was created especially games match
Speaker 7: for The Great, callie and he would need a storyline
Speaker 7: reason for it to come into play during duringam match
Speaker 7: with two guys who aren't The Great collie, ideally Uh,
Speaker 7: so and that's you, know that's what we've talked about
Speaker 7: with these giving pay per, views is you end up
Speaker 7: having matches with a stipulation that at that point in
Speaker 7: the feud does not. Fit and that's the problem that
Speaker 7: would be a problem, with you, know put jav prison.
Speaker 7: Match you, know if it's the first month of A
Speaker 7: Randy Orton hedge feud and you got them in A
Speaker 7: punjab prison, match it's almost, like where do you go from? There,
Speaker 7: uh it's just you're trying to shoehorn the pay per
Speaker 7: view concept into the feud and it just doesn't make
Speaker 7: any sense from a storyline. Standpoint Uh, So, yeah there
Speaker 7: are more interesting stipulations out there that they could, use
Speaker 7: BUT i would hope the ww would try to keep
Speaker 7: that to a minimum and try to keep it to
Speaker 7: stimulations that makes sense even a little at that point
Speaker 7: in the, feud.
Speaker 2: Right just in the context of the, feud where it
Speaker 2: would seem to naturally flow into whatever given concept match
Speaker 2: they have on this month's. PAPER i, mean up, next
Speaker 2: there's money To, bank AND i DON'T i don't have an,
Speaker 2: idea and they didn't really give us a clear idea
Speaker 2: on who's going to be in that in those matches
Speaker 2: or match or one match to, match three Matches money The,
Speaker 2: BANK i don't know it seems like it might be
Speaker 2: a standard pay per view plus maybe one money in
Speaker 2: the bank, match And i'm sure maybe start to hint
Speaker 2: at that on Tonight's. Raw But, GREG i, mean what
Speaker 2: do you do with that? Concept do you put multiple
Speaker 2: money to bank matches on next month's pay per? View
Speaker 2: do you do just one and have standard matches throwing
Speaker 2: out the rest of the pay per, view.
Speaker 3: Or what do you do with?
Speaker 17: That that's an interesting.
Speaker 7: Question i'm not really. SURE i would assume that you.
Speaker 7: Know my thought Right, Yeah my thought right now is
Speaker 7: maybe and who, knows w w we might not have an.
Speaker 7: Idea uh my thought right now is to have you,
Speaker 7: know one on one.
Speaker 10: Matches for the.
Speaker 7: Singles, title the world title on THE wwe, title and
Speaker 7: then perhaps for each brand having money in the bank
Speaker 7: match featuring in carters from that, Brand let's say, five
Speaker 7: so you would have end up having two money in
Speaker 7: the bank. Matches Unlost scott, forbid they did want for the,
Speaker 7: women but uh, yeah which is which is. Frightening but,
Speaker 7: YEAH i think right now that would be the way to.
Speaker 7: Go so each brand has its own money in the bank,
Speaker 7: winner and can uh really use that as a? Storyline
Speaker 7: weaves throughout the, shows because if you've got a guy
Speaker 7: who if you only do one money in the bank
Speaker 7: match and you have a guy on The raw brand
Speaker 7: who ends up winning, it, uh you know that's that's
Speaker 7: kind of taking away From SmackDown because he's as far
Speaker 7: AS i don't, know you still be A row brand
Speaker 7: wrestler and wouldn't be able to you, know jump. Shows of,
Speaker 7: COURSE wwe please loose with those roles all the time,
Speaker 7: Anyway SO i think one for each brand would be
Speaker 7: what would make sense at this stage in the. Game
Speaker 7: and you, know they could come out tonight and announce
Speaker 7: said they don't have to announce the stipulations or the
Speaker 7: basic concept of the pay per view immediately in order
Speaker 7: to get the ball rolling on getting things started for
Speaker 7: to hype the pay per view because it's in less
Speaker 7: than a. MONTH i believe the eighteenth is the.
Speaker 2: Right they've got twenty, one twenty, Eight they've GOT i
Speaker 2: guess four episodes Of raw to hype, it so they
Speaker 2: COULD i mean they have a little bit of wiggle,
Speaker 2: room but, yeah they need to at least explain what's
Speaker 2: at stay just to kind of get that idea of
Speaker 2: planting a viewers'. MINDS i imagine tonight will be more
Speaker 2: about the fallout and the next to follow up from
Speaker 2: last side's pay per, view but they at least kind
Speaker 2: of explain or hint at the concept of the next
Speaker 2: pay per, view especially because it's again another new pay
Speaker 2: per view and the money they can sell. Itself but
Speaker 2: it's more of a nice, successory uh to to you, Know.
Speaker 2: WrestleMania it's not it's not the entire dress to use
Speaker 2: some sort of weird fashion. Analogy it's more of a nice.
Speaker 2: Accessory and now you're asking people to pay basically the
Speaker 2: price of address for some. EARRINGS i don't know WHERE
Speaker 2: i came up with, that maye BECAUSE i was AT
Speaker 2: Jc penny this, weekend.
Speaker 5: But JUST i don't.
Speaker 2: Know that's that's what the, analogy and it. Works it
Speaker 2: works for.
Speaker 7: ME i got what you're. Saying, yeah it kind of makes.
Speaker 2: Sense in my. Head SO i don't know anybody else
Speaker 2: But tom and either a question or follow up on
Speaker 2: on the pay per view.
Speaker 20: Concepts just one follow up and then you can put
Speaker 20: me on hold And i'll listen if they're going to
Speaker 20: do things like The Fatal, foe where if they decide
Speaker 20: to do a triple threat pay per, View why not
Speaker 20: then make them elimination style where the champion does in
Speaker 20: fact have to at some point get tend to lose.
Speaker 2: His, YEAH i would prefer, That. TOM i, MEAN i
Speaker 2: think that's just to make it seem more than just
Speaker 2: a ridiculous concept of you know the. CHAMP i, mean
Speaker 2: they they kind of straight away from that criticism because
Speaker 2: they had the actually the champs were. Pinned was was
Speaker 2: slacker Penn greg? Was wasn't he penned in The world title? Match?
Speaker 2: Yeah he?
Speaker 7: Was that was kind of, surprising, Right so.
Speaker 2: They kind of skirted that, criticism but still you would
Speaker 2: liked to be elimination. STYLE i think what they're, again
Speaker 2: what they're trying to do last night is make it
Speaker 2: seem even more In. Jeopardy you, know the champions were
Speaker 2: even more In jeopardy because it was first pin to,
Speaker 2: win and that was kind of their their marketing. Idea
Speaker 2: BUT i think to be more equitable and more fair
Speaker 2: in the, STORYLINE i think it would be best to
Speaker 2: have elimination style going, forward BUT i don't anticipate them doing.
Speaker 2: That it's very rare THAT ww does an elimination style
Speaker 2: match other than the elimination, chamber and they kind of
Speaker 2: protect that idea just for that pay per. View would
Speaker 2: you kind of agree with, That, Greg, yeah.
Speaker 7: Definitely AND i think the two reasons that they do
Speaker 7: first tend to win, is you, know like you talked
Speaker 7: about throughout this, episode is that they want people to
Speaker 7: think that the champion is in jeopardy and his title
Speaker 7: is in, jeopardy and that creates for more intriguing and
Speaker 7: interest for the pay per. View AND i think the
Speaker 7: other reason, is if you've got three or four guys
Speaker 7: in a, match you don't want to be the first
Speaker 7: one penned because that makes you look, bad, especially you,
Speaker 7: know with everybody else still being in a. Match whereas
Speaker 7: if only one guy's getting, pinned while everybody else ends
Speaker 7: up coming out looking the same because they didn't win
Speaker 7: and they're all in the same. Waveline whereas if you've
Speaker 7: got a guy in a four man match being the
Speaker 7: first one, eliminated you, KNOW ww may think that that
Speaker 7: could undercut his heat a little bit by you, know
Speaker 7: doing that kind of elimination style and do it more than.
Speaker 7: Once you, know they do it for The Survivor's series.
Speaker 7: Matches they do it for elimination, Chamber so you also
Speaker 7: don't want to get to a point where you're doing
Speaker 7: that too, often either at least in WWE's, eyes because
Speaker 7: obviously they're going for pay per views where they differentiate
Speaker 7: themselves from each, other and perhaps they think that that's
Speaker 7: just too.
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Speaker 2: area code nine one. Four welcome to the, Show please
Speaker 2: station and know where you're.
Speaker 13: From steve From.
Speaker 2: Florida, Hey, steve what's going?
Speaker 7: ON a question for?
Speaker 6: You do you?
Speaker 2: Think, oh a couple of questions for.
Speaker 13: You do you think we'll get any follow up to
Speaker 13: who possibly was the driver of the? Limo or that's
Speaker 13: your something they would?
Speaker 2: Ignore? Right that's That we kind of talked a little
Speaker 2: bit about that in our chat over the. Weekend were
Speaker 2: there any more clues that make you think we're gonna
Speaker 2: get an answer to that from last night's pay per?
Speaker 7: View not, really, unfortunately BECAUSE i think that could be
Speaker 7: something that that could create an intrigue as. Well the
Speaker 7: REASON i don't think it's it's at all going to
Speaker 7: be part of the. Storyline is that the, announcers you,
Speaker 7: KNOW i haven't wondered a loud about it. Yet, Uh
Speaker 7: and we know, that you, know subtlety does not really
Speaker 7: exist in professional wrestling with the announcers and everything like.
Speaker 7: That it just, doesn't you, know they think, that you,
Speaker 7: know that may be too hard to follow or too
Speaker 7: hard to get off from a fans point of. View
Speaker 7: so you, KNOW i think we would be hearing a
Speaker 7: lot more about it if they intended it to be
Speaker 7: something that we should be thinking. About you, know we're
Speaker 7: we're already thinking about who the leader, is and you,
Speaker 7: know maybe thinking about the driver of the limo if
Speaker 7: there two different, people would be just too much to
Speaker 7: have to think about in addition to processing the entire.
Speaker 7: Angle so it's my gut feeling right. Now AND i
Speaker 7: could change tonight based on the announcement's reactions and, whatever
Speaker 7: BUT i really don't think that's going to be an
Speaker 7: important part of the N xty invasion.
Speaker 2: Angle, david you have another question or follow?
Speaker 13: Up, well, YEAH i have a question in a quick follow.
Speaker 13: UP i just, realized what would the gate that from
Speaker 13: a logic standpoint would Be Brett hart can easily say
Speaker 13: who it was because he was in the.
Speaker 4: Limbo so maybe that's.
Speaker 7: Unless unless unless it's there's nobody like just a regular limo,
Speaker 7: driver or unless they had the little window down in
Speaker 7: between the back seat and the and the front. SEAT i,
Speaker 7: mean you, know they have their outs and ways that
Speaker 7: they could explain, it BUT i. DON'T i don't think
Speaker 7: that it's necessarily going to be for the casual. FAN
Speaker 7: i don't know if it's not really at the top
Speaker 7: of their list of things to think about after the
Speaker 7: pay per view.
Speaker 2: Tonight, yes that was your other.
Speaker 18: Question oh, YEAH i mean do you think? DUMMY i,
Speaker 18: mean do you think out of the two who've done it,
Speaker 18: angles The undertaker angle and THE nxt, angle do you
Speaker 18: think there's a better chance of somebody like The TRIPLE
Speaker 18: h being involved with one over the. OTHER i, mean
Speaker 18: If TRIPLE h had to.
Speaker 13: Pick an, angle which one do you think he'd?
Speaker 22: Pick?
Speaker 23: Like what's your?
Speaker 2: TAKE i like the QUESTION i would.
Speaker 7: THINK i think for his, personality especially coming off the
Speaker 7: match in the feud With, SHAMUS i think The undertaker
Speaker 7: storyline better fits. Him undertaker retired his best Friend Shawn.
Speaker 7: Michaels they can't be on the road, together they can't
Speaker 7: be doing that D x high jints.
Speaker 4: Together so that gives no.
Speaker 7: Reason we know in the setup to The WrestleMania match
Speaker 7: that he he really didn't think That seamus had earned
Speaker 7: his tripes IN, wwe and, basically you're nothing until you've
Speaker 7: been At. WrestleMania so from that, Standpoint TRIPLE h aligning
Speaker 7: himself with a bunch of rookies who have proved, nothing you,
Speaker 7: know ON, tv let alone at A WrestleMania i just
Speaker 7: don't think that would make a lot of sense with
Speaker 7: the storyline terms storyline, either SO i think he would
Speaker 7: be better suited for the The undertaker. STORYLINE i really
Speaker 7: hope it's. Neither that's me, personally but then, Again i'm
Speaker 7: not a Big Triple ah, fan but then, Again i'm
Speaker 7: not a Big king fan, Either and you, know there's
Speaker 7: talk that he's involved in The undertaker angle as, Well
Speaker 7: SO i, MEAN i don't know which One i'd rather.
Speaker 7: Choose to have them be involved in a, giant you,
Speaker 7: know main event type angle with The, UNDERTAKER i guess
Speaker 7: it doesn't really matter to, me BUT i think from
Speaker 7: the storyline, sense it would make more sense For triple
Speaker 7: should be involved with The undertake to want. SmackDown i
Speaker 7: agree with that.
Speaker 2: ONE i don't see. HIM i don't see how they
Speaker 2: logically could come to the conclusion that he's behind THE
Speaker 2: nxt deal unless they have this idea, of you, know
Speaker 2: some sort of thing where he's Defending Vincent, man And
Speaker 2: Vincent man hired him to get back At Brett, hart you,
Speaker 2: know to kind of undermine the show While Brett hart's.
Speaker 2: Running it never that that'd be some way to get
Speaker 2: to that, point BUT i don't agree with. It too
Speaker 2: many holes explain. THERE i think The undertaker one makes
Speaker 2: the most, sense BUT i think when he does come
Speaker 2: back TO, tv it's gonna be the few with Shamous
Speaker 2: and that's partly WHY i think they might have put
Speaker 2: the belt On seamus last, night assuming that he retains
Speaker 2: it for more than a night or more than the
Speaker 2: next pay per. View perhaps against seen in a rematch
Speaker 2: was seen to have in the rematch, Clause SO i
Speaker 2: imagine The hunter's coming back to you was. Shamous but
Speaker 2: IF i were to take a take one or the
Speaker 2: other of those, STORYLINES i would say The undertaker one
Speaker 2: makes the most, Sense BUT i don't see him going
Speaker 2: back To. SmackDown i don't think that's realistic For hunter
Speaker 2: at this point in his. Career so, once of, COURSE
Speaker 2: i wanted to save him for the Sci fi transition
Speaker 2: and hav ingim be a big splash On SmackDown before
Speaker 2: they move To Sci. Fi that's one, possibility but probably
Speaker 2: not as strong as a. Possibility it's just him coming
Speaker 2: back to wrong Ze A. Shamus that seems to be
Speaker 2: the most logical way to Bring hunter.
Speaker 10: Back So.
Speaker 2: Steve's good. Call we appreciate you. Call thanks for joining,
Speaker 2: us and let's continue on to the four two four
Speaker 2: area code four two. Four welcome to the. Show please
Speaker 2: take shame of where you're. From all, right this Is.
Speaker 2: Brian Hey, brian what's going?
Speaker 7: On?
Speaker 11: HEY i will question?
Speaker 22: It you, know do you THINK i have two? Questions
Speaker 22: do you think that THE wwe has built up certain
Speaker 22: characters to a certain standard to where you just can't
Speaker 22: put no one over Like john seen? It you can't
Speaker 22: see someone LIKE Jacka swagger getting over On John cena
Speaker 22: clean or even.
Speaker 10: Shameless he's never.
Speaker 22: Beaten he hasn't beaten anyone, cleanly even when he beats
Speaker 22: Beat TRIPLE. H they set it up where you know
Speaker 22: he Attacked TRIPLE h earlier that night and then you
Speaker 22: know he came back and ON i think that was
Speaker 22: that night and he Put TRIPLE h. Out AND i
Speaker 22: think maybe when they're trying to present a pay per
Speaker 22: view they Don't Jack swagger and other people are just
Speaker 22: not big of the stars to where you want to
Speaker 22: really see them win or lose against someone like seeing
Speaker 22: it because you notice most of all the battles that
Speaker 22: Seen us goes, through he. Wins AND i have no
Speaker 22: problem with him being a face in. Winning but you,
Speaker 22: know back in the late, nineties when you've Seen austin,
Speaker 22: win you know he went through a lot you see
Speaker 22: him go. Through so when the paper view came in
Speaker 22: a big tailf he was happy to see him. Win
Speaker 22: but that doesn't happen With John cena because there's no
Speaker 22: one up there at his levels where that's incredible enough
Speaker 22: to Put johnson over as that person that you really
Speaker 22: really want to see. Win and also do you think
Speaker 22: that a lot of backstage politics whole certain wrestlers back
Speaker 22: from being bigger?
Speaker 3: Stars, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Brian to answer your first, QUESTION i think a lot
Speaker 2: of it, is you, Know sina doesn't lose that, often
Speaker 2: or at least when he does, lose it's not. Clean
Speaker 2: so it wouldn't incredible in ww's eyes for someone to
Speaker 2: walk in and just kind of Beat sena. Clean it
Speaker 2: Would it would almost the way W bucks it would
Speaker 2: almost knock Down. Sena and When sina is their top,
Speaker 2: star their top, draw their their biggest money, Maker they're
Speaker 2: not gonna put anyone Over scena, clean unless unless it's
Speaker 2: something like The undertaker In. WrestleMania you, know if they
Speaker 2: were to set up that match for twenty six Or TRIPLE,
Speaker 2: h Who TRIPLE h is already. Over you, know there's
Speaker 2: only a select few and Maybe Randy, orton Maybe. Edge
Speaker 2: but you can kind of go back to the mis
Speaker 2: program and everybody kind of wanted The minutes to go
Speaker 2: Over John cena and just Solidify miss as a. Star
Speaker 2: but at the same, Time miss wasn't a, star you,
Speaker 2: know in terms of a main event level star, Yet
Speaker 2: so from WWE's, perspective they wouldn't put someone over who's
Speaker 2: not solidified as a star Over. Sena it's just from their,
Speaker 2: perspective it wouldn't seem, logical it wouldn't seem, realistic it
Speaker 2: wouldn't seem like it would Help sena and it wouldn't
Speaker 2: seem like it would help them. Miss So, greg what's
Speaker 2: your take on on the way W w books and
Speaker 2: why they don't put it over other, stars Over sena
Speaker 2: and especially in big pay per view matches or at
Speaker 2: least clean still last, night you, know shame this was
Speaker 2: on the, belt but it wasn't.
Speaker 7: Clean, well the big picture answer is just it takes.
Speaker 7: Time like you, said you can't bring someone in and
Speaker 7: you know you Mentioned Jack. Slager Jack flagger's THAT i
Speaker 7: main a venture for a few, months and that's you,
Speaker 7: know to to put him Over John. Cena it's just
Speaker 7: it's just not ww's way of OPERATING. U you, know
Speaker 7: we Saw goldberg and he's obviously the exception to the,
Speaker 7: rule being pushed to the moon and beating everybody. Inside
Speaker 7: but even then it took him three months of beating
Speaker 7: jobbers until he finally won THE us title or however
Speaker 7: long it. Was so it was certainly not something where
Speaker 7: it Just goldberg came in after months of jobbing Like
Speaker 7: Jack schwager did and all of a sudden Beat John.
Speaker 7: CENA ww likes to build guys up slowly and then
Speaker 7: push them back to the mid card and then started
Speaker 7: building them up, again and then push them back and
Speaker 7: then build them up. AGAIN i, mean you can argue
Speaker 7: with that certain, length that's not you, know a something
Speaker 7: that has to be done professional. Wreppling it just. ISN'T
Speaker 7: i think there's different ways to build guys, Up but
Speaker 7: you can't have everybody at the same level Of John
Speaker 7: cena because, inevitably if they're winning all the time Like
Speaker 7: John cena, is then you're gonna have a lot of
Speaker 7: guys losing all the. Time and as much AS i
Speaker 7: disdain Even stephen, booking you don't want to job your
Speaker 7: entire roster up to two guys to put them over
Speaker 7: at the same, level and then all of a sudden
Speaker 7: one of them gets hurt and you're looking around the
Speaker 7: roster to see who you can replace, him and, oh you,
Speaker 7: Know John sen has beating this guy three times. Already
Speaker 7: we can't just push him right back to the main
Speaker 7: event against Against sena because nobody will buy. Him, so you,
Speaker 7: know to have one guy at the level like Sina,
Speaker 7: as that is, fine but it's just tough to have
Speaker 7: more than one. Guy as much as from fans obviously
Speaker 7: we'd like to see more guys in the position of sena,
Speaker 7: obviously but from a logistics, standpoints it's very tough to pull.
Speaker 7: Off and to answer the second question, obviously, yeah, yeah
Speaker 7: there's there's that stage politics that hold people. Back depending
Speaker 7: on your definition of. POLITICS i, mean there's there's writers
Speaker 7: and agents who favor wrestlers over the. Other so when
Speaker 7: they're pitching ideas the, McMahon they're pitching you, know their
Speaker 7: guys for. That there's you, know there's locker room protocol
Speaker 7: the guys don't. Follow there's you, know guys like them
Speaker 7: is who he's talked, about you, know getting scolded in
Speaker 7: the dressing room numerous, times which while accounts is legitimate
Speaker 7: that it actually. Happens so, yeah there's there's certain there's
Speaker 7: definitely a lot of, ways especially in the pre wrestling,
Speaker 7: business that you that you need to hear about that
Speaker 7: can get wrestlers in trouble and get their push scale the.
Speaker 7: Heck it can be the littlest of things that can
Speaker 7: get their heat with management and into the political nature
Speaker 7: of the, business or it can be something vague or
Speaker 7: something deemed big BY, wwe such as The Daniel bryant,
Speaker 7: situation right and.
Speaker 2: You you could also be a situation where a guy
Speaker 2: just doesn't have a political ally in. Management it could
Speaker 2: BE i think that was the case kind of With Might.
Speaker 2: Knocks you, know he had he had a good, look
Speaker 2: he was decent, athletically he seemed like you had potential
Speaker 2: to be a guy that could plug in there as a. Heel.
Speaker 2: Uh you, know they can kind of build up and
Speaker 2: see you to a top, babyface and it just never
Speaker 2: really had a political ally to kind of back him
Speaker 2: or or suggest, that, hey let's GET mynx a bigger.
Speaker 2: Push you. Know sometimes that's what it comes down, to
Speaker 2: is if you don't have that that, ally maybe not
Speaker 2: so much being held back by, politics but just not
Speaker 2: having an ally. Politically so to answer your, Question, brian,
Speaker 2: yeah there's definitely politics involved on you, know who gets
Speaker 2: pushed and who doesn't get pushed a lot of times
Speaker 2: it just comes down to timing and who who's kind
Speaker 2: of in the company at the same, time who has
Speaker 2: some stroke or, power and whether you're friends with that.
Speaker 2: Person so as we've seen With, shamus shame has got
Speaker 2: shot at the top and everyone kind of, said, well
Speaker 2: it's because he was you, know he he was a
Speaker 2: workout buddy With TRIPLE. H you, know sometimes it's just
Speaker 2: a matter of opportunity and timing and tire, Too yeah, McIntire. Definitely,
Speaker 2: yeah it comes. Down you, Know shame has lucked out
Speaker 2: because the roster was so thin that needed Heels uh
Speaker 2: to kind of feed the scene or at least fewed
Speaker 2: to A, sina and he kind of luked out being
Speaker 2: the right place at the right. Time so it's, opportunity
Speaker 2: it's it's, luck it's political, allies a lot of different
Speaker 2: factors that involved that. Situation So brian good calling a good.
Speaker 2: Question we appreciate.
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Speaker 2: code eight one. Eight welcome to the. Show please say
Speaker 2: to your name where you're.
Speaker 23: From, hey, guys this Is dan and let's Gold. California
Speaker 23: hi you Good?
Speaker 2: Dan how are you doing doing?
Speaker 23: Fine first thing, first if you're disgusted WITH, wwe if
Speaker 23: you're disgusted with roah WITH, dna go buy before dishonor
Speaker 23: that was an incredible pay per view and you.
Speaker 2: Almost had a perfect center for the roh plugs but
Speaker 2: then you almost were.
Speaker 4: There but, yeah but, anyway.
Speaker 23: It seems like the only two guys THE ww has
Speaker 23: managed to get over with this whole nxt angle Or
Speaker 23: Wade barrett And Daniel brian By daniels and whatever you
Speaker 23: want to call. Him at one, point if, if if
Speaker 23: they can't get the nxt angle back on, track do
Speaker 23: you think maybe two or three weeks from now they
Speaker 23: bite the bullet and, say you, know the only way
Speaker 23: we can save this thing.
Speaker 4: Is to bring him.
Speaker 2: Back you, mean bring Back Daniel bryan is, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Greg what do you think Is Daniel brian a guy
Speaker 2: that could be brought back to to give this angle
Speaker 2: a little bit more, life you, know with all the
Speaker 2: talk on the internet and a lot of you, KNOW
Speaker 2: i wouldn't so much casual. FANS i don't know if
Speaker 2: casual fans really Remember brian too much. NOW i mean
Speaker 2: a lot of it is sort of they watched W
Speaker 2: b for, okay what are you telling me is going
Speaker 2: on right? Now and then they kind of pushed out
Speaker 2: of their mind when they go on the rest of their.
Speaker 2: Lives but the day Of brian a difference manger maker
Speaker 2: in this, angle if it kind of stalls, OUT i
Speaker 2: kind of kind of stalled on the pay per view.
Speaker 2: OUTSIDE i don't know.
Speaker 5: If it really if it really enhanced the.
Speaker 2: View it was almost more of an annoyance because the
Speaker 2: interapt interrupted the main EVAN ww title. Match. Uh If
Speaker 2: brian did a difference maker at all or This you
Speaker 2: think this angle is is done by the end of
Speaker 2: the months or maybe the beginning of the next.
Speaker 4: Month, WELL i.
Speaker 7: Don't really think that the angle is necessarily off the,
Speaker 7: rails as a suggested. Already H it's something to keep
Speaker 7: an eye. ON i think they obviously since the first
Speaker 7: week that the buzz has certainly died. Down And i'm
Speaker 7: thats understandable because you can't you can't run those kinds
Speaker 7: of angles every. Week so people were expecting something, great you,
Speaker 7: know follow, up but it was a workman like follow.
Speaker 6: Up it.
Speaker 7: Wasn't it wasn't as you splashy as the first, angle
Speaker 7: AND i think they disappointed a lot of. People AND i,
Speaker 7: think you, know you've got to look more at.
Speaker 2: The overall.
Speaker 7: Picture And i'm, wondering you, Know i'm willing to give
Speaker 7: it a few more weeks because it is such a big,
Speaker 7: angle and because it has been portrayed it such a
Speaker 7: big angle and a long term. ANGLE i think it's
Speaker 7: really too early to judge, it not even three weeks
Speaker 7: into its into its.
Speaker 12: Run so.
Speaker 7: But if it does go off the, rails and so to,
Speaker 7: speak can they bring Back Daniel brian and will he
Speaker 7: save the? Angle that's that's a tough, question because it's you,
Speaker 7: know they've got they could always branch out in that.
Speaker 7: Direction they set themselves up For Daniel brian returning being
Speaker 7: ANTI nxt almost.
Speaker 2: So it is a direction they could.
Speaker 7: Take do they panic and go that direction right off the,
Speaker 7: bat or do they let this play out in two
Speaker 7: or three or four or five months down the, line
Speaker 7: Bring Daniel brian back and branch out that way after
Speaker 7: that that. Long it all depends on how it gets
Speaker 7: over with the live, crowds how many ideas the writers
Speaker 7: can come up with to get this deepest going on
Speaker 7: a weekly, basis to keep it intriguing for the, fans
Speaker 7: to keep it interesting for the. Fans BUT i don't
Speaker 7: know That Daniel brian can single handedly save, it because
Speaker 7: it's ALL i was. Written you, know he. Can he can,
Speaker 7: perform you, know with the best of them that we've
Speaker 7: seen ON xt he showed some Surprising mike skills and
Speaker 7: obviously he's got the resting. Skills but it really all
Speaker 7: depends on how his part is written upon his. Return and,
Speaker 7: REALLY i don't know if you can bank on one
Speaker 7: guy to save an angle that's big unless you have
Speaker 7: a big idea for.
Speaker 2: It and it seems like their big idea Was week
Speaker 2: one and that was a big invasion and they've kind
Speaker 2: of reproduced some different type of some material coming from,
Speaker 2: that but they haven't really been able to sort of
Speaker 2: build the MOMENT i, mean they've sustained thementum because it's
Speaker 2: still it's still part of the fabric Of. Raw really,
Speaker 2: three you know, one you, know after three, episodes you,
Speaker 2: know counting, tonight it's still a fabric of the. SHOW
Speaker 2: i don't know If Daniel brian coming back would be
Speaker 2: perceived as that huge of a deal to the casual
Speaker 2: audience unless they kind of build it up over a
Speaker 2: couple of week, period maybe some some hints or some
Speaker 2: suggestions or bright hard kind of references him a couple of,
Speaker 2: times and then they bring him. Back that might be
Speaker 2: a bigger deal than if they just kind of randomly
Speaker 2: brought him. BACK i don't know if he's A i
Speaker 2: don't know if he's a major player in this angle.
Speaker 2: ANYMORE i mean just kind of they wrote him off
Speaker 2: the last week's show almost sort, of you, know they
Speaker 2: left it, open they left and opening from the come.
Speaker 2: Back BUT i don't know if they're setting it up
Speaker 2: to where he can be a huge difference maker to
Speaker 2: to build more momentum for this. PROGRAM i think IT'S
Speaker 2: i think it's kind of where it is right. Now
Speaker 2: we're gonna find out a lot on Tonight's raw on
Speaker 2: the future of this program and whether it has more
Speaker 2: legs than just a short term, angle and that might
Speaker 2: give us a better a better answer on Whether brian
Speaker 2: can be inserted to make a. Difference so a lot
Speaker 2: of it's just kind of depends on how they played up.
Speaker 2: TONIGHT i think it's probe the best way to answer. That, so, Yeah,
Speaker 2: GREG i think we're just gonna get some answers. TONIGHT
Speaker 2: i hope. So and uh, yeah, yeah yes they. ARE
Speaker 2: i mean right, now it's just, see you really can't
Speaker 2: tell whether whether this is the long term deal or,
Speaker 2: not or they're just gonna end it on tonight. SHOW i,
Speaker 2: mean they can always end it on tonight's. Show you never.
Speaker 2: KNOW i hope they. DON'T i hope they find a
Speaker 2: way to continue this and at least continue it to
Speaker 2: the summer and get some stars out of. THIS i
Speaker 2: don't know THAT i see a lot of stars in
Speaker 2: THE nxt group right. Now, Wait barrett, obviously but the
Speaker 2: other guys just just sort of almost looks like they're
Speaker 2: along for the ride and there they're not standing out as.
Speaker 2: Individuals like that first, BEATDOWN i, mean you Had Jeff
Speaker 2: field looking very, intimidated you Had gabriel with That icy
Speaker 2: stare Yet Daniel bryan with his, angle yet He's slater,
Speaker 2: Involved otunga had a couple of, spots Even tarboro at a.
Speaker 2: Spot now they'll just kind of look like they're the same,
Speaker 2: guy and he's just kind of running. AROUND i don't
Speaker 2: know if it's That.
Speaker 7: James you, know you might have ruined this angle for
Speaker 7: me by not you but the WAY i interpreted, it
Speaker 7: because when you you just, SAID i don't know if
Speaker 7: any of these guys stand out all of a, sudden
Speaker 7: ALL i could think about my head is The Spirits,
Speaker 7: Clod AND i really hope that these guys don't end
Speaker 7: up like The Spirits. CLOUD i, mean that would be
Speaker 7: so damaging and that would be such a crappy way
Speaker 7: to end this. Angle but so now that's always gonna
Speaker 7: be in the back of my mind WHEN i watched this,
Speaker 7: angle is you know these guys are gonna end up
Speaker 7: as bad off as The Spirit squad, did or they
Speaker 7: were just completely buried and you, know sent back TO
Speaker 7: ovw quite literally on tv Uh or is this something
Speaker 7: THAT wwe can make six or eight stars out. OF i,
Speaker 7: mean even if they make starts out of four of
Speaker 7: these guys that's half and THAT'S i mean That i'll
Speaker 7: set you good for a few. Years, REALLY i, mean
Speaker 7: so is this a situation where you know that's gonna
Speaker 7: be that's gonna be, happening or is it gonna Be
Speaker 7: Spirit squad start twenty?
Speaker 2: TEN i mean the timing is right for. That AND
Speaker 2: i thought about in the back of my head a
Speaker 2: couple of, times BECAUSE i mean you look at the,
Speaker 2: pattern uh you, Know Spirit squad and set with the
Speaker 2: main man's and D x was a big? Angle was
Speaker 2: THAT o?
Speaker 4: Seven?
Speaker 24: IS i?
Speaker 2: Guess so those six ro oh? Seven and then the
Speaker 2: next summer WAS I i might be getting my, MY
Speaker 2: i might be missing the summer in. Here but they
Speaker 2: had to make million make million dollar giveaway and that
Speaker 2: just kind of. Disappeared and then you had The gainst
Speaker 2: hosting thing they started last. Year so it seems like
Speaker 2: there's only sort of a concept that they start and at,
Speaker 2: least you, know the, guests WELL i guess maybe not at,
Speaker 2: least but they have continued against. Hosting they maybe not
Speaker 2: to our our enjoyments every week On, raw but they
Speaker 2: have stuck with A gainst hosting deal they started last.
Speaker 2: Summer you, know they don't usually, CONTINUE i mean worse,
Speaker 2: waggle the whole horse, Waggle who's Your daddy? DEAL i
Speaker 2: think that was a summer, program so they don't have
Speaker 2: a really good track record of stretching out summer programs
Speaker 2: over a period of. Time BUT i think this one
Speaker 2: has more potential than The Spirit, Squad so i'll put.
Speaker 2: It i'll put it that, Way, greg to to reassure
Speaker 2: you THAT i don't think a little. Bit, Yeah i'll
Speaker 2: put it to ease a little. Bit.
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Speaker 2: Let's go back to the phone. Lines this Is waxworth
Speaker 2: three to one, Six so welcome to the. Show please
Speaker 2: teach your hey me where you're. From?
Speaker 26: Hi this Is Stephen. Philadelphia Hey, steve what's going?
Speaker 2: On?
Speaker 7: YEAH i want to.
Speaker 26: Talk about last night's pay per view and the whole
Speaker 26: state of the pay per view is based ON i
Speaker 26: would say that there's an overcapacity of wrestlers on one brand.
Speaker 2: As the Rob RAN a. Stacked is that what you're, Saying.
Speaker 26: Steve, yeah it's two, stacked and people Like, Edge Chris,
Speaker 26: jericho And John morrison are never gonna get over with
Speaker 26: an overpacked brand like. THAT i think after the, SUMMERTIME
Speaker 26: i think those kind of superstars are gonna went back
Speaker 26: On SmackDown because they're not gonna.
Speaker 20: Be, used, uh you, know.
Speaker 26: Properly and these three Are World Heavyweight championship contenders and
Speaker 26: look what they've been. Doing. Now look At, edge what.
Speaker 26: Happened he came back on a big injury and they
Speaker 26: refuse to put a title belt around his waist and
Speaker 26: he's a main event.
Speaker 2: Contender, yeah, SEE i think on your, Front, EDGE i
Speaker 2: don't know IF ww sees him as a guy they
Speaker 2: want to put a major title on right. NOW i
Speaker 2: think when he came back and there was momented behind
Speaker 2: him when he came back to The rumble and and
Speaker 2: then the build up WAS i, Mean, greg you can
Speaker 2: kind of duck and describe, this the build up On
Speaker 2: SmackDown Before, MANIA i didn't really catch. Fire and then
Speaker 2: as the, media the crowd.
Speaker 5: Was not Behind.
Speaker 2: Edge it just. Wasn't it was going the doweld he
Speaker 2: of him, return he kind of wore, off and it
Speaker 2: was just, that, well we Have. Edge you, know he's
Speaker 2: a good hand in the, ring he's a good no TV's,
Speaker 2: tall he's a guy who can put into a pay
Speaker 2: per view main, event and there's three other guys in
Speaker 2: the same match like last. Night BUT i don't think
Speaker 2: if they see him as a guy to carry a,
Speaker 2: brand And, greg you're talking about that as well as
Speaker 2: if you anticipate to be maybe shifting some of the
Speaker 2: stars From raw over To, SmackDown especially before they move
Speaker 2: over To Sci fi this.
Speaker 7: FALL i mean to answer the. Question all used to
Speaker 7: do was look at their two rosters side by, side
Speaker 7: and it's pretty clear that The raw has a big
Speaker 7: advantage Over. SmackDown and you, know you mentioned switching things
Speaker 7: up for the, fall with the debut On Sci fi
Speaker 7: expected by By SmackDown in the, fall so obviously ww
Speaker 7: wwe he's gonna move some people around and move some
Speaker 7: guys To snackdown so they can make the biggest flash
Speaker 7: On sion. Fine as For, edge, yeah he. Did the
Speaker 7: thing is even though if WI w thought that, WAY i,
Speaker 7: mean he really did Carry SmackDown for a while though
Speaker 7: when he was when he was With. VICKY i mean
Speaker 7: that was that was huge For. SmackDown that was that
Speaker 7: was getting great, heat they had great matches a that
Speaker 7: was that was a money pairing right. There so just
Speaker 7: in fact they don't see him as a guy who
Speaker 7: can carry a brand or be a minimum. PLAYER i
Speaker 7: Think i'll have to do his point to that and
Speaker 7: and really, say, yeah that's he's already done, it so
Speaker 7: how can you say he can't do? It? Edge as
Speaker 7: for him coming, back he'd never really Turned, babyface and
Speaker 7: that's been the same situation With Randy. Orton if there
Speaker 7: was never that moment or that reason given or that you,
Speaker 7: know that breaking right where there was a there, WAS
Speaker 7: i don't know how to describe it other than you,
Speaker 7: know he never turned and he just there was this
Speaker 7: assumption BY wwe that he's returning from an, injury so
Speaker 7: fans are gonna cheer him because he's a big star
Speaker 7: returning from, injury and they, did but there needed to
Speaker 7: be something more behind that for the, street for the
Speaker 7: street for the first few weeks when he was On
Speaker 7: SmackDown after his, injury there was he was basically playing
Speaker 7: a tweener and really, didn't uh didn't.
Speaker 4: Explain a lot of him turning baby.
Speaker 7: Face he didn't play to the crowd and wasn't an
Speaker 7: obvious baby. Face And i'm not saying that's something you
Speaker 7: have to, do but if you're going to bring a
Speaker 7: guy back and not officially quote Unquote, durham then the
Speaker 7: fans need Something otherwise they'll, say, well this is just
Speaker 7: the same old edge we, booed why should we be
Speaker 7: cheering him? Now AND i think it's it's caused for,
Speaker 7: confusion and it's caused for people to kind of sit
Speaker 7: on their hands and not really know what to do
Speaker 7: because it's OBVIOUS ww wants them to wants the fans
Speaker 7: to cheer, him but the fans don't really have that
Speaker 7: reason To and, UH i don't know why that the
Speaker 7: last couple of times that they've done terms with these big,
Speaker 7: guys that that there really hasn't been that turning. Point
Speaker 7: there hasn't been That batista Attacks raymaterio after the match
Speaker 7: and just crushes. HIM i, mean there hasn't been that
Speaker 7: in moments that that you can point to as that
Speaker 7: was the time but us to turn from baby space
Speaker 7: to Heal AND i just FEEL i don't know if
Speaker 7: W w just didn't have any ideas for, it or
Speaker 7: or if they thought the way they would right him
Speaker 7: would be good enough to you, know make up for,
Speaker 7: it or, what but that was really something that that
Speaker 7: was really lacking And Adges babystace turning and probably did
Speaker 7: enough damage to where that was one of the reasons
Speaker 7: why they turned them back heel.
Speaker 2: Or another another idea would been that they Thought Chris
Speaker 2: jericho was a strong enough heel that they could get
Speaker 2: by without really explaining that that that moment that why
Speaker 2: are you supposed to cheer Your? Edge what's so honorable
Speaker 2: about him just coming back and chasing after that? Title?
Speaker 2: Literally AND i think they kind of the way they
Speaker 2: wrote it was the focus on the spear was, okay
Speaker 2: but not for Wrestle. MANIA i, mean we're looking, out
Speaker 2: we're going back three. Months BUT i think it plays
Speaker 2: into Why edge isn't that strong of a character right.
Speaker 2: Now he doesn't have that strong heel storyline like he
Speaker 2: did With Vicky. Guerrero like you, Said gregor when he
Speaker 2: was kind of carrying That SmackDown brand and now he's
Speaker 2: just kind Of he had that storyline With Randy orton
Speaker 2: in that, feud but that feud kind of fizzled out
Speaker 2: and they.
Speaker 5: Had, that you, know kind of passable match at A
Speaker 5: latn's pay.
Speaker 2: Per view before ort was. Injured so there isn't a
Speaker 2: lot About minton Behind edge's, character especially On, raw and
Speaker 2: lately he's just become a loss in the shuffle beyond
Speaker 2: THE nxt invasion angle despite being a pay per view main,
Speaker 2: event and then they try To they tried to prevent
Speaker 2: him as a stronger character on the pay per view
Speaker 2: last night with that that promo he had talking about
Speaker 2: and everybody else says the stack or the deck stacked against. Him, meanwhile, Me,
Speaker 2: Edge i'm in great position to win the. Title so
Speaker 2: they try to do something with them last, night but,
Speaker 2: uh they've got to do more work with. Them so
Speaker 2: got interesting to see what's interested to see what they
Speaker 2: do with.
Speaker 5: Him we're down the about last sixty, seconds SO.
Speaker 2: I just want to review the quick headlines on pbtorch dot.
Speaker 2: Com batista in the news TELLING tmz at A hollywood
Speaker 2: club over the weekend that he has signed With strikeforce
Speaker 2: for the HIS mma. Debut Strike force said, no he
Speaker 2: is not. Signed perhaps they were saving a bigger announcement
Speaker 2: later On chris Here goes new show, Debuts His Dude
Speaker 2: game showed a debuts ON abc tomorrow, night and lots
Speaker 2: of other headlines On Chris JERICHO tna. Headlines The ring
Speaker 2: Of honor had their big pay per view On. Saturday
Speaker 2: greg give us a final thought was about ten seconds
Speaker 2: up in.
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