Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
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Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property, and for this week of May twelfth,
Speaker 1: we are continuing with Lost Season two, episode twenty one,
Speaker 1: question Mark.
Speaker 2: Question Mark.
Speaker 1: I'm not forgetting the name of the title. They didn't
Speaker 1: forget the name of the title. The name of the
Speaker 1: title is, in fact, simply a punctuation mark.
Speaker 2: They could have at least spelled out the words.
Speaker 1: I guess. But the thing is that the thing that
Speaker 1: they found was in the shape of a question mark.
Speaker 1: So I get at this point they got to be
Speaker 1: so exhausted for creativity that they're just like, oh, who
Speaker 1: cares what they'll people will write two thousand word essays
Speaker 1: about why we used a punctuation mark for our title.
Speaker 1: A little bit long, but it does make it difficult
Speaker 1: to say it for a podcast. Come on, think of
Speaker 1: the podcasters, you guys, even though there were I don't
Speaker 1: know if there were any podcasts. But yeah, So this
Speaker 1: was Lock and Echo trapes them through the jungle looking
Speaker 1: for things they that Echo has seen in his dreams,
Speaker 1: and Locke has.
Speaker 2: Seen when he was crushed under a door. Yes, right,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 1: So uh, Echo has some trippy dreams where his brother
Speaker 1: tells him to find Lock and go, uh you know,
Speaker 1: follow help him. And then of course there's another dream
Speaker 1: that looks like it's a tripy Echo dream, except it's
Speaker 1: a trippy Lock dreamy dreaming he's Echo. So all sorts
Speaker 1: of fun being had by the creative team, and for
Speaker 1: the payoff of finding another hatch right that spies on
Speaker 1: the main hatch and reveals the main hatch as just
Speaker 1: a sye op to see if we can get idiots
Speaker 1: to hit a key. But Echo is now convinced it's
Speaker 1: vitally important. So as long as they got somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there is a printer in this hatch that still
Speaker 1: has paper and working ink after apparently sitting idle for
Speaker 1: quite some time, or maybe not. Either it's sat idle,
Speaker 1: in which case the ink would be dried up, or
Speaker 1: it's been working all this time, in which case does
Speaker 1: somebody stop by and replace the toner cartridge. It's a
Speaker 1: magical printer. What it's the island? It's magic. Don't ask questions, Terry, No,
Speaker 1: because my history with printers is bad. And you have
Speaker 1: to be calling the tech support guy to come and
Speaker 1: fix your printer. Yeah, that's insane. Everything else I buy.
Speaker 1: Everything else is.
Speaker 2: The pneumatic tube print came on also, like they have
Speaker 2: the series of pneumatic tubes, which no idea where those go.
Speaker 2: And Locke puts his little map that he drew in
Speaker 2: it and sends it away, like, but you worked hard
Speaker 2: on that, Like you just want to send it into
Speaker 2: the void.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I guess he's found the thing the map
Speaker 1: was leading him to, so I guess.
Speaker 2: But there were other things on that map. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was like a whole network of hatches.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: Just like, what what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Maybe there was a copy machine there we didn't see
Speaker 1: and he just made a copy of it. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: just been sitting there with fresh Toner for ye, Dharmer
Speaker 1: brand Toner. It lasts a long time.
Speaker 2: Ye, never ever expires cams.
Speaker 1: This is a magic island.
Speaker 2: People can walk, people can are cured of cancer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but they are not cured of gunshots. Sadly maybe.
Speaker 1: And she tried to tell them at the end, just
Speaker 1: before she died. Yep, she tried to Michael, the one
Speaker 1: who did it. But of course, oh yeah, he's falling.
Speaker 2: Don't worry about him. She's dying. Going, no, no.
Speaker 1: Watch last week's episode. Will you come on? There's probably
Speaker 1: a video of it somewhere one of these is now
Speaker 1: we know there is. Yeah, that's right. They could go
Speaker 1: to the other. Yeah, I don't know that was I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess the flashbacks were saying something about faith, and
Speaker 1: that reflects on this in that Locke had faith that
Speaker 1: what he was doing was meaningful, and now Echo has
Speaker 1: that faith and we'll take it over. But there was
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much going on on the island.
Speaker 1: The flashbacks just seemed particularly this time. Although that was
Speaker 1: the father of the girl who supposedly died, was in
Speaker 1: fact the psychic that Claire went to, right, I did
Speaker 1: actually saw the scary thing. I did actually recognize him.
Speaker 1: I did not recognize him, but I know law of
Speaker 1: economy of flashback characters. They tend to uh, if there's
Speaker 1: a psychic here and there's a psychic there, I bet
Speaker 1: they're the same. Compoy, Yes, and I guess he. I
Speaker 1: was looking on Lostipedia just to verify. And he was
Speaker 1: the one who told her not to give her kid
Speaker 1: up and all that stuff. But also I think gave
Speaker 1: her the money to fly to to get on that
Speaker 1: flight and insisted it be that flight or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all coming to He's connected somehow.
Speaker 1: Everything's connected. Everything is connected. The guy who shined your
Speaker 1: shoes at the airport will not to be Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I just it's like okay, move along, move along. But
Speaker 1: you know, okay.
Speaker 2: Once but somehow Echo got from Nigeria to Australia and
Speaker 2: continue to be a priest. So good for him. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. The pope opening has been filled, so he
Speaker 2: will not be.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you never know.
Speaker 1: Stuff happens. But this may just be me, but I
Speaker 1: found this episode to be really dark, and I don't
Speaker 1: mean thematically. I meant I couldn't see what was going
Speaker 1: on at the time. There was a lot of dark rooms.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's like I would say, you need to
Speaker 1: put up subtitles to explain to people what they're supposed
Speaker 1: to be seeing, but then I wouldn't have been able
Speaker 1: to see the subtitles. So more sound, more discussion, well.
Speaker 2: Just more light in the rear light.
Speaker 1: Possibly, Yeah, if you can keep the toner on on
Speaker 1: and the river working, maybe you can invest in some
Speaker 1: better lighting. Oh dear, this was just us, poor Hurley.
Speaker 1: Everybody must just have been going.
Speaker 2: Oh Hurley.
Speaker 1: Right, he got to say he apologized for not having
Speaker 1: brought a blanket, because really it is all his fault.
Speaker 1: If the organized the picnic better, she never would have
Speaker 1: gone back. So I hope Michael's feeling bad that he
Speaker 1: shot Hurley's girlfriend.
Speaker 2: He does seem to be feeling bad, but.
Speaker 1: Mostly when it was a random woman, that's okay, But
Speaker 1: it was Harley's girlfriend. Man, I think you heard early.
Speaker 2: I think he's mostly afraid that he's gonna get caught.
Speaker 2: Was more his as well.
Speaker 1: He should be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, although.
Speaker 1: The Keystone cops here probably he could get away, but
Speaker 1: they're not particularly well oiled incarceration machines. But yeah, so Locke,
Speaker 1: they decided somebody needed to go and chase the fugitive prisoner,
Speaker 1: whose name we will not say because it's in flux,
Speaker 1: and they echo makes sense. He's a guy I would
Speaker 1: not want pursuing me. And the guy on crutches, shouldn't
Speaker 1: the island have healed him by now? I thought he
Speaker 1: was going to get out of the hatch and then
Speaker 1: throw the crutches to the side and said, I don't
Speaker 1: need these brightens. I'm fine, But no, he's trapesing through
Speaker 1: the jungle on crutches, as one does. So that's a
Speaker 1: little and and of course they abandon all pretense of
Speaker 1: chasing not Henry as soon as they get out of
Speaker 1: the hatch and are just following locks, map and echoes
Speaker 1: dream to the jungle. Sure as you do, possibly go along,
Speaker 1: but of course it works. And that plane, I hope
Speaker 1: they saved the prop the plane prop from the first time,
Speaker 1: and haven't had to reconstruct you need the plane again? Really? Yeah,
Speaker 1: times where we have to use this stupid stupid little plane.
Speaker 2: You know, we've been there many times at this.
Speaker 1: Point, it's been a very important thing. Oh well, and
Speaker 1: I enjoyed that Sawyer has been hiding all the stuff
Speaker 1: in his little dwelling, right, And I.
Speaker 2: Mean it's a good you know, just sleep on top
Speaker 2: of it, right.
Speaker 1: So absolutely, Yeah, it made me think from a parenting
Speaker 1: point of view, you about effect of hiding techniques hide something.
Speaker 1: If you need to hide something from your child, do
Speaker 1: you hide it in some obscure place or do you
Speaker 1: hide it someplace you have constant reference to so that
Speaker 1: you can check its whereabouts, But then you risk it
Speaker 1: being too public or would they never think to look there.
Speaker 1: I don't remember when I think I when I have
Speaker 1: to hide something, I keep it close to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the past when I've had to hide something.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I keep I keep snacks in my in
Speaker 2: my purse, my work bag, you know, like which which
Speaker 2: just hangs on the doorknob, you know, by the kitchen, like.
Speaker 1: Then you can let anybody see you giving them away
Speaker 1: my secret.
Speaker 2: Or in the car. Actually I do keep things in
Speaker 2: the car as well.
Speaker 1: It's a decoy, kids.
Speaker 2: She doesn't really.
Speaker 1: I did a getting warmer and getting colder thing with
Speaker 1: my daughter. Yesterday with my thirty five year old daughter
Speaker 1: fun wanting to find something of mine, and I said,
Speaker 1: I started saying, you're getting warmer, right. She found it
Speaker 1: really quickly. She had a pretty good idea where it was, right.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we have a guest room that has a
Speaker 2: pretty big chest of drawers in it. So, oh, I
Speaker 2: have used that in the past.
Speaker 1: Because nobody thinks to look there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good place I have. I have. I
Speaker 1: have lots of areas of junk that I could probably
Speaker 1: hide things in.
Speaker 2: Right because people will be like, eh, nothing there, just moms.
Speaker 1: Yeah stuff. I do wonder you know, when we go
Speaker 1: on trips, I feel very nervous. I feel like I
Speaker 1: should hide things like valuable and so I have a
Speaker 1: variety of places where I hide stuff and it seems
Speaker 1: to make sense. But then I get home and I think, oh, crap,
Speaker 1: I have to remember where I hit it right. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it takes me a long time to mind that.
Speaker 2: Lad. Oh, yeah, I was really clever. That good good
Speaker 2: on me.
Speaker 1: He hit it from myself right, So I never would
Speaker 1: have thought of, like, you know, putting it under the
Speaker 1: sheets on the bed. Just so that I would be
Speaker 1: laying on top of it at all times. But you know, Sawyer,
Speaker 1: Sawyer knows that nobody's gonna want to go into his
Speaker 1: little plane, right his shack, Yeah, from part of the airplane,
Speaker 1: right part of.
Speaker 2: The yeah, I think so former and some tarps and
Speaker 2: but and you know, it was another sort of character
Speaker 2: note that Jack knew that he wouldn't let Libby suffer. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know, yes, which you know was another small step
Speaker 2: in the rehabilitation of Zawyer.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, that's right. So I wonder if Kate
Speaker 1: will immediately she should respect the situation and immediately tell
Speaker 1: Jack where the guns are.
Speaker 2: Right well, and also like lipping out one dose and
Speaker 2: then she died like yeah, I'm sorry, but it just
Speaker 2: didn't seem like it was maybe not even worth it,
Speaker 2: worth all the trouble.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she suffered less for that last last little bit.
Speaker 2: I guess those few minutes.
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, Anna Lucia got one more scene walking
Speaker 1: up to mister Echo and my husband said, isn't she dead?
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, we were asking that about this island.
Speaker 1: Just because you see a person doesn't really mean anything, yep.
Speaker 2: I mean, how many times have we seen Christian Shepherd.
Speaker 2: That guy not only has never been on the island
Speaker 2: except as a dead body, but you know he's not
Speaker 2: a main character.
Speaker 1: But yet, right right, death is not the end for
Speaker 1: these actors. You can always come back. There's so many
Speaker 1: different ways you can come back. You can be in
Speaker 1: a flashback, you can be in a dream, you could
Speaker 1: be revivified by the island. You can uh, you know,
Speaker 1: there's just yeah, don't tell your agent not to worry, right,
Speaker 1: you'll be back.
Speaker 2: You could be in your own flashback. You can be
Speaker 2: in someone else's flashback. You can be in your own dream,
Speaker 2: somebody else's dream. Yeah, yes, so many times.
Speaker 1: Don't tick off the producers so that they want you back.
Speaker 1: I think there was one actor somewhere down the line
Speaker 1: that we'll discuss who I don't think ever came back after.
Speaker 1: But you know, be friendly and there's all sorts of.
Speaker 2: Options, right, And I suppose they also have just footage
Speaker 2: of people, you know that they can edit, and that's true.
Speaker 1: Some royalties or something. I enjoyed that Kate was asking
Speaker 1: Sawyer questions about how exactly and Lysia got the gun,
Speaker 1: so just gave it to her, did you? Or how
Speaker 1: did she get it precisely?
Speaker 2: She perhaps has some suspicions.
Speaker 1: It being someone who might have used the same procedure
Speaker 1: to get a gun in that situation. So she recognizes
Speaker 1: a a fellow strategist, and Alicia knows exactly, Yes, slawyer,
Speaker 1: that happen.
Speaker 2: Tell me, do you she just took it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, my back was turned. What can I do?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, let's all enjoy. Yes, that's why you're getting played.
Speaker 1: It didn't help her very much, but still yeah, but
Speaker 1: it let her.
Speaker 2: Have a a sort of moment of what's the word
Speaker 2: I want to use? You know that a realization that
Speaker 2: she did not want to kill someone, you know, right, conscience,
Speaker 2: I think is what you.
Speaker 1: Said before her death. So yes, that's good. If there
Speaker 1: had been a real priest there where was echo and
Speaker 1: you needed I'm up into the trup plane, there's a
Speaker 1: dead priest, you could probably still let's see what else
Speaker 1: can we say? From a parenting point of view, you know,
Speaker 1: when Libby says my and Jack immediately assumes she is
Speaker 1: asking after his welfare, it's maybe a sign of don't
Speaker 1: jump to the easiest conclusion right. Certainly with kids too,
Speaker 1: I mean, they will say or do something and you
Speaker 1: will say, oh, well, I know what this means, and
Speaker 1: you will be wrong because sometimes you have to step
Speaker 1: back and think about it, or listen a little harder,
Speaker 1: or look for other clues. And you know, in Luby's case,
Speaker 1: I guess there wasn't really any reason they would think
Speaker 1: anything different, although it's not like, I mean, why would
Speaker 1: she be asking exactly well, being of all, why would
Speaker 1: she not have asked about Anna? Yeah, so that's a
Speaker 1: little weird, and maybe the tumblers of that will click
Speaker 1: down for somebody at some point. But a parenting point
Speaker 1: of view, just as tempting as it is to say, well,
Speaker 1: I'm smart and I know what things are. Sometimes take
Speaker 1: a step back right, think of other possibilities while he's
Speaker 1: still there in the hatch, and you can.
Speaker 2: Do something right quickly. Be too late.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep yep. And also dreams, lots about dreams,
Speaker 1: yes one, lots of actual actual people sleeping and waking
Speaker 1: up dreams right rather than visions, and you know other
Speaker 1: creepy stuff. You don't necessarily have to be sleeping to
Speaker 1: see dead people at this place, yes, that is true,
Speaker 1: but it happens sometimes.
Speaker 2: Right or to see horses or.
Speaker 1: You know, did your kids ever have trouble with bad
Speaker 1: dreams or waking up in the middle of the night,
Speaker 1: and you have to figure out a way to make
Speaker 1: things not scary.
Speaker 2: Not too much, you know, I mean, especially when they
Speaker 2: were really little, they weren't sleeping great, But it wasn't
Speaker 2: because of nightmares typical you know, yeah baby stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 2: no I don't. I don't recall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't leave my kids either. Now my daughter
Speaker 1: wakes up screaming sometimes, but I think it's not because
Speaker 1: of dreams. She says, it's not because of dreams. It's
Speaker 1: because she feels like she's falling out of bed. So
Speaker 1: maybe that's a dream of falling out of bed, right,
Speaker 1: or it's just that she gets too close to the edge.
Speaker 1: She has in fact fallen out of bed a couple
Speaker 1: of times. Oh, which she has a big bed. Now
Speaker 1: you have to really trump said, are you sleeping in
Speaker 1: the middle of the bed? How are you traveling all
Speaker 1: the way to the edge?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: She's you know, she had a twin bed and then
Speaker 1: we moved her downstairs so she could have a bigger bed.
Speaker 1: But stop, maybe it means something. Yeah, there's somebody pushing you.
Speaker 2: There's somebody pushing It's a dog, is what.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, she did mention that the dog was in
Speaker 1: bed with her all night the other night, so yeah,
Speaker 1: usually the dog splits its time amongst various sleeping spots.
Speaker 1: This time just which she likes that the dog likes her,
Speaker 1: and she likes that the dog wants to sleep on
Speaker 1: her bed. She does not like the layer of black
Speaker 1: fur this leaves.
Speaker 2: On her bed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just got to get over that.
Speaker 2: Well, we just have a special dog sheet that goes
Speaker 2: on and.
Speaker 1: She does have she has like a towel she puts
Speaker 1: over her bed. But I guess the dog doesn't always
Speaker 1: stay in its own Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta, you gotta cover the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I guess we were pretty lucky with the
Speaker 2: dreams and nightmares.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, mostly were too, because that's really difficult to
Speaker 1: do anything because you can't like hop in their brains
Speaker 1: and fix it, right. I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: if my son dreams, I don't think he would say.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can still remember a couple of the
Speaker 2: dreams I had as a baby, or not a baby,
Speaker 2: as a little kid. Like some of the bad dreams
Speaker 2: that I had I still.
Speaker 1: Remember though, Yeah, I think I might too, kind of
Speaker 1: science fiction? Any dreams were scary? Yeah, my kids have
Speaker 1: not shared with me, so from parenting Quin to Yew,
Speaker 1: I got nothing to say about dreams. We just talk
Speaker 1: about my dreams for them. Rights, you would have a
Speaker 1: better job than Wenday's in each three thought. But that's
Speaker 1: a whole.
Speaker 2: Nother bro, that's a different kind of a nightmare, right, yes, indeed.
Speaker 1: Well, next Tuesday we will continue with season two two,
Speaker 1: Episode twenty two, have lost three minutes. How many episodes
Speaker 1: do we have left in season two? We got to
Speaker 1: close to the end.
Speaker 2: I think it's twenty four total.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, because I think there's this one
Speaker 1: and then a two parter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me just confirm.
Speaker 1: Remember vaguely seasons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then there's a two parter, so.
Speaker 1: We'll see yes, live together dialone or something like.
Speaker 2: Correct part one and part two.
Speaker 1: So they could have just made it live together dot
Speaker 1: dot dot and then dialogue dot dot dialone. Yeah, but no,
Speaker 1: it's a two parter, right, and we will see you
Speaker 1: back here tomorrow to discuss Running Point, which I wish
Speaker 1: had all been a dream and yet probably not I
Speaker 1: don't think we'll come back next week and they'll say
Speaker 1: all that stuff last week. Never, We're a wig now
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