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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property, and for this week of May twelfth,

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<v Speaker 1>we are continuing with Lost Season two, episode twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>question Mark.

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<v Speaker 2>Question Mark.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not forgetting the name of the title. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>forget the name of the title. The name of the

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<v Speaker 1>title is, in fact, simply a punctuation mark.

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<v Speaker 2>They could have at least spelled out the words.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. But the thing is that the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>they found was in the shape of a question mark.

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<v Speaker 1>So I get at this point they got to be

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<v Speaker 1>so exhausted for creativity that they're just like, oh, who

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<v Speaker 1>cares what they'll people will write two thousand word essays

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<v Speaker 1>about why we used a punctuation mark for our title.

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit long, but it does make it difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to say it for a podcast. Come on, think of

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<v Speaker 1>the podcasters, you guys, even though there were I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if there were any podcasts. But yeah, So this

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<v Speaker 1>was Lock and Echo trapes them through the jungle looking

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<v Speaker 1>for things they that Echo has seen in his dreams,

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<v Speaker 1>and Locke has.

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<v Speaker 2>Seen when he was crushed under a door. Yes, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh, Echo has some trippy dreams where his brother

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<v Speaker 1>tells him to find Lock and go, uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>follow help him. And then of course there's another dream

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<v Speaker 1>that looks like it's a tripy Echo dream, except it's

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<v Speaker 1>a trippy Lock dreamy dreaming he's Echo. So all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of fun being had by the creative team, and for

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<v Speaker 1>the payoff of finding another hatch right that spies on

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<v Speaker 1>the main hatch and reveals the main hatch as just

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<v Speaker 1>a sye op to see if we can get idiots

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<v Speaker 1>to hit a key. But Echo is now convinced it's

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<v Speaker 1>vitally important. So as long as they got somebody. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and there is a printer in this hatch that still

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<v Speaker 1>has paper and working ink after apparently sitting idle for

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<v Speaker 1>quite some time, or maybe not. Either it's sat idle,

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<v Speaker 1>in which case the ink would be dried up, or

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<v Speaker 1>it's been working all this time, in which case does

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<v Speaker 1>somebody stop by and replace the toner cartridge. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>magical printer. What it's the island? It's magic. Don't ask questions, Terry, No,

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<v Speaker 1>because my history with printers is bad. And you have

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<v Speaker 1>to be calling the tech support guy to come and

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<v Speaker 1>fix your printer. Yeah, that's insane. Everything else I buy.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything else is.

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<v Speaker 2>The pneumatic tube print came on also, like they have

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<v Speaker 2>the series of pneumatic tubes, which no idea where those go.

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<v Speaker 2>And Locke puts his little map that he drew in

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<v Speaker 2>it and sends it away, like, but you worked hard

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<v Speaker 2>on that, Like you just want to send it into

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<v Speaker 2>the void.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, I guess he's found the thing the map

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<v Speaker 1>was leading him to, so I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>But there were other things on that map. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>was like a whole network of hatches.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Just like, what what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe there was a copy machine there we didn't see

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<v Speaker 1>and he just made a copy of it. Yes, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just been sitting there with fresh Toner for ye, Dharmer

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<v Speaker 1>brand Toner. It lasts a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye, never ever expires cams.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a magic island.

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<v Speaker 2>People can walk, people can are cured of cancer. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but they are not cured of gunshots. Sadly maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>And she tried to tell them at the end, just

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<v Speaker 1>before she died. Yep, she tried to Michael, the one

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<v Speaker 1>who did it. But of course, oh yeah, he's falling.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't worry about him. She's dying. Going, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>Watch last week's episode. Will you come on? There's probably

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<v Speaker 1>a video of it somewhere one of these is now

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<v Speaker 1>we know there is. Yeah, that's right. They could go

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<v Speaker 1>to the other. Yeah, I don't know that was I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the flashbacks were saying something about faith, and

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<v Speaker 1>that reflects on this in that Locke had faith that

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<v Speaker 1>what he was doing was meaningful, and now Echo has

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<v Speaker 1>that faith and we'll take it over. But there was

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's so much going on on the island.

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<v Speaker 1>The flashbacks just seemed particularly this time. Although that was

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<v Speaker 1>the father of the girl who supposedly died, was in

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<v Speaker 1>fact the psychic that Claire went to, right, I did

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<v Speaker 1>actually saw the scary thing. I did actually recognize him.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not recognize him, but I know law of

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<v Speaker 1>economy of flashback characters. They tend to uh, if there's

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<v Speaker 1>a psychic here and there's a psychic there, I bet

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<v Speaker 1>they're the same. Compoy, Yes, and I guess he. I

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<v Speaker 1>was looking on Lostipedia just to verify. And he was

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<v Speaker 1>the one who told her not to give her kid

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<v Speaker 1>up and all that stuff. But also I think gave

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<v Speaker 1>her the money to fly to to get on that

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<v Speaker 1>flight and insisted it be that flight or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's all coming to He's connected somehow.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything's connected. Everything is connected. The guy who shined your

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<v Speaker 1>shoes at the airport will not to be Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>I just it's like okay, move along, move along. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Once but somehow Echo got from Nigeria to Australia and

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<v Speaker 2>continue to be a priest. So good for him. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. The pope opening has been filled, so he

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<v Speaker 2>will not be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you never know.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff happens. But this may just be me, but I

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<v Speaker 1>found this episode to be really dark, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>mean thematically. I meant I couldn't see what was going

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<v Speaker 1>on at the time. There was a lot of dark rooms.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it's like I would say, you need to

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<v Speaker 1>put up subtitles to explain to people what they're supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be seeing, but then I wouldn't have been able

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<v Speaker 1>to see the subtitles. So more sound, more discussion, well.

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<v Speaker 2>Just more light in the rear light.

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<v Speaker 1>Possibly, Yeah, if you can keep the toner on on

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<v Speaker 1>and the river working, maybe you can invest in some

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<v Speaker 1>better lighting. Oh dear, this was just us, poor Hurley.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody must just have been going.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Hurley.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, he got to say he apologized for not having

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<v Speaker 1>brought a blanket, because really it is all his fault.

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<v Speaker 1>If the organized the picnic better, she never would have

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<v Speaker 1>gone back. So I hope Michael's feeling bad that he

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<v Speaker 1>shot Hurley's girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 2>He does seem to be feeling bad, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Mostly when it was a random woman, that's okay, But

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<v Speaker 1>it was Harley's girlfriend. Man, I think you heard early.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's mostly afraid that he's gonna get caught.

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<v Speaker 2>Was more his as well.

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<v Speaker 1>He should be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, although.

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<v Speaker 1>The Keystone cops here probably he could get away, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're not particularly well oiled incarceration machines. But yeah, so Locke,

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<v Speaker 1>they decided somebody needed to go and chase the fugitive prisoner,

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<v Speaker 1>whose name we will not say because it's in flux,

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<v Speaker 1>and they echo makes sense. He's a guy I would

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<v Speaker 1>not want pursuing me. And the guy on crutches, shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>the island have healed him by now? I thought he

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<v Speaker 1>was going to get out of the hatch and then

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<v Speaker 1>throw the crutches to the side and said, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>need these brightens. I'm fine, But no, he's trapesing through

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<v Speaker 1>the jungle on crutches, as one does. So that's a

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<v Speaker 1>little and and of course they abandon all pretense of

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<v Speaker 1>chasing not Henry as soon as they get out of

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<v Speaker 1>the hatch and are just following locks, map and echoes

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<v Speaker 1>dream to the jungle. Sure as you do, possibly go along,

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<v Speaker 1>but of course it works. And that plane, I hope

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<v Speaker 1>they saved the prop the plane prop from the first time,

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<v Speaker 1>and haven't had to reconstruct you need the plane again? Really? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>times where we have to use this stupid stupid little plane.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we've been there many times at this.

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<v Speaker 1>Point, it's been a very important thing. Oh well, and

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed that Sawyer has been hiding all the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>in his little dwelling, right, And I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean it's a good you know, just sleep on top

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<v Speaker 2>of it, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So absolutely, Yeah, it made me think from a parenting

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<v Speaker 1>point of view, you about effect of hiding techniques hide something.

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<v Speaker 1>If you need to hide something from your child, do

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<v Speaker 1>you hide it in some obscure place or do you

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<v Speaker 1>hide it someplace you have constant reference to so that

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<v Speaker 1>you can check its whereabouts, But then you risk it

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<v Speaker 1>being too public or would they never think to look there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember when I think I when I have

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<v Speaker 1>to hide something, I keep it close to me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in the past when I've had to hide something.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I keep I keep snacks in my in

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<v Speaker 2>my purse, my work bag, you know, like which which

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<v Speaker 2>just hangs on the doorknob, you know, by the kitchen, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you can let anybody see you giving them away

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<v Speaker 1>my secret.

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<v Speaker 2>Or in the car. Actually I do keep things in

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<v Speaker 2>the car as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a decoy, kids.

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<v Speaker 2>She doesn't really.

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<v Speaker 1>I did a getting warmer and getting colder thing with

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<v Speaker 1>my daughter. Yesterday with my thirty five year old daughter

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<v Speaker 1>fun wanting to find something of mine, and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I started saying, you're getting warmer, right. She found it

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<v Speaker 1>really quickly. She had a pretty good idea where it was, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, we have a guest room that has a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty big chest of drawers in it. So, oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>have used that in the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Because nobody thinks to look there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good place I have. I have. I

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<v Speaker 1>have lots of areas of junk that I could probably

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<v Speaker 1>hide things in.

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<v Speaker 2>Right because people will be like, eh, nothing there, just moms.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah stuff. I do wonder you know, when we go

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<v Speaker 1>on trips, I feel very nervous. I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>should hide things like valuable and so I have a

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<v Speaker 1>variety of places where I hide stuff and it seems

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<v Speaker 1>to make sense. But then I get home and I think, oh, crap,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to remember where I hit it right. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>it takes me a long time to mind that.

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<v Speaker 2>Lad. Oh, yeah, I was really clever. That good good

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<v Speaker 2>on me.

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<v Speaker 1>He hit it from myself right, So I never would

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<v Speaker 1>have thought of, like, you know, putting it under the

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<v Speaker 1>sheets on the bed. Just so that I would be

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<v Speaker 1>laying on top of it at all times. But you know, Sawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>Sawyer knows that nobody's gonna want to go into his

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<v Speaker 2>The yeah, I think so former and some tarps and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, yes, which you know was another small step

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's right, that's right. So I wonder if Kate

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<v Speaker 2>Right well, and also like lipping out one dose and

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she suffered less for that last last little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, yeah, we were asking that about this island.

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<v Speaker 1>But yet, right right, death is not the end for

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<v Speaker 2>You could be in your own flashback. You can be

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<v Speaker 2>in someone else's flashback. You can be in your own dream,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody else's dream. Yeah, yes, so many times.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't tick off the producers so that they want you back.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, be friendly and there's all sorts of.

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<v Speaker 1>Some royalties or something. I enjoyed that Kate was asking

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me, do you she just took it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, again, let's all enjoy. Yes, that's why you're getting played.

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<v Speaker 1>Said before her death. So yes, that's good. If there

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<v Speaker 1>can we say? From a parenting point of view, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when Libby says my and Jack immediately assumes she is

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<v Speaker 1>jump to the easiest conclusion right. Certainly with kids too,

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<v Speaker 1>she not have asked about Anna? Yeah, so that's a

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<v Speaker 1>down for somebody at some point. But a parenting point

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<v Speaker 1>of view, just as tempting as it is to say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>Do something right quickly. Be too late.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, yep, yep yep. And also dreams, lots about dreams,

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<v Speaker 1>yes one, lots of actual actual people sleeping and waking

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<v Speaker 1>up dreams right rather than visions, and you know other

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<v Speaker 1>creepy stuff. You don't necessarily have to be sleeping to

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<v Speaker 1>see dead people at this place, yes, that is true,

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<v Speaker 1>but it happens sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Right or to see horses or.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, did your kids ever have trouble with bad

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<v Speaker 1>and you have to figure out a way to make

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<v Speaker 2>Not too much, you know, I mean, especially when they

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<v Speaker 2>were really little, they weren't sleeping great, But it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>because of nightmares typical you know, yeah baby stuff. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>no I don't. I don't recall.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't leave my kids either. Now my daughter

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<v Speaker 1>wakes up screaming sometimes, but I think it's not because

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that's a dream of falling out of bed, right,

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<v Speaker 1>or it's just that she gets too close to the edge.

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<v Speaker 1>She has in fact fallen out of bed a couple

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<v Speaker 1>the way to the edge?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>She's you know, she had a twin bed and then

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<v Speaker 1>But stop, maybe it means something. Yeah, there's somebody pushing you.

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<v Speaker 2>There's somebody pushing It's a dog, is what.

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<v Speaker 2>On her bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you just got to get over that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we just have a special dog sheet that goes

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<v Speaker 1>She does have she has like a towel she puts

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I guess we were pretty lucky with the

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, mostly were too, because that's really difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>and fix it, right. I don't know. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if my son dreams, I don't think he would say.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I can still remember a couple of the

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<v Speaker 2>as a little kid. Like some of the bad dreams

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<v Speaker 2>that I had I still.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember though, Yeah, I think I might too, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>science fiction? Any dreams were scary? Yeah, my kids have

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<v Speaker 1>I got nothing to say about dreams. We just talk

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<v Speaker 1>about my dreams for them. Rights, you would have a

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<v Speaker 1>better job than Wenday's in each three thought. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole.

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<v Speaker 2>Nother bro, that's a different kind of a nightmare, right, yes, indeed.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, next Tuesday we will continue with season two two,

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<v Speaker 1>Episode twenty two, have lost three minutes. How many episodes

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<v Speaker 1>do we have left in season two? We got to

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<v Speaker 1>close to the end.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's twenty four total.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so, because I think there's this one

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<v Speaker 1>and then a two parter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let me just confirm.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember vaguely seasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, then there's a two parter, so.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see yes, live together dialone or something like.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct part one and part two.

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<v Speaker 1>So they could have just made it live together dot

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<v Speaker 1>dot dot and then dialogue dot dot dialone. Yeah, but no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a two parter, right, and we will see you

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<v Speaker 1>back here tomorrow to discuss Running Point, which I wish

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<v Speaker 1>had all been a dream and yet probably not I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think we'll come back next week and they'll say

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<v Speaker 1>all that stuff last week. Never, We're a wig now

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