WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:04.480 No, I don't want to. Ward's emergency. I can't find 2 00:00:04.480 --> 00:00:07.400 my daughter. Okay, when was the last time you've seen her? 3 00:00:10.119 --> 00:00:13.359 There at the part seven, people say that somebody probably 4 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:20.199 somebody's twister. Okay. How old is she? She's five years old? Okay? 5 00:00:20.280 --> 00:00:24.760 And what park are you at? Here? In Bristin Park? Okay, 6 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:28.640 we're at the Brigston Park. Are you the one with 7 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:31.679 the basketball court where high school is? Okay? So you're 8 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:38.119 at the basketball courts behind the high school. Yes. Hello, friends, 9 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:41.479 Welcome to the eleventh episode of our Land of the 10 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:45.679 Lost series. In this video, we'll be discussing the disappearance 11 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:49.479 of Dulse olives. Please make sure you share the links 12 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:52.320 in the description box is share this video so we 13 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:57.240 can help Dulse's family spread awareness. Was that said? Let's begin, 14 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:02.799 D'll say Maria Alavez was born on April twenty fifth, 15 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:05.719 twenty fourteen, and was just five years old when she 16 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:10.239 went missing on September sixteenth, twenty nineteen, from Bridgeton City, 17 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:14.480 New Jersey. Dulce is Hispanic with brown hair and brown eyes. 18 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:17.799 At the time of her disappearance, she was approximately three 19 00:01:17.799 --> 00:01:22.439 feet tall and weighed between sixty and seventy pounds. She 20 00:01:22.519 --> 00:01:24.840 was last seen wearing a yellow shirt with an elephant 21 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:29.319 on it, black and white pants, and white shoes. Her 22 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:32.719 mother's name is Noemma Alavez Perez and she was just 23 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:36.920 nineteen years old when Dulce disappeared. Dulce also had a 24 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:39.719 little brother named Manuel, who was just three years old, 25 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:43.439 a baby's sister who was born earlier in twenty nineteen 26 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:48.280 named Estrella, and Noemma was five months pregnant when Dulce 27 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:53.359 went missing. According to Noemma, Dulcie's father lives in Mexico, 28 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:55.680 and when she told him she was pregnant with Dulce, 29 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:58.079 he didn't believe the child was his and wasn't going 30 00:01:58.120 --> 00:01:59.560 to be a part of her life, and he never 31 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:03.239 came around after she was born. With this, no Emma 32 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:05.959 decided to raise Dulca without him, with the help of 33 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:08.560 her parents, whom she and her children did live with 34 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:13.400 in September of twenty nineteen. Something to keep in mind, though, is, 35 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:17.280 according to no Emma, as Dulcie grew up, her biological 36 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:20.479 father not only saw a resemblance to himself and realized 37 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:23.919 that she was indeed his child, but also, according to 38 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:26.800 no Emma, he told her he wanted custody of Dulcet, 39 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:33.159 not visitation or parenting time, but full custody. On September sixteenth, 40 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:37.360 twenty nineteen, Noeima took Dulce, her brother, Manuel, and no 41 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:39.759 Emma's eight year old sister to the corner store to 42 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:43.439 get some ice cream. This is confirmed by surveillance footage 43 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:45.240 from the store that shows the four of them getting 44 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:47.680 ice cream there right around the time no Emma says 45 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:52.360 they were there. After purchasing the ice cream, at around 46 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:54.680 four pm, they all went to a local park that 47 00:02:54.759 --> 00:02:56.560 has a playground for the kids to eat their ice 48 00:02:56.639 --> 00:03:00.400 cream and play. This park is called Bridgeton City Park. 49 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:05.120 No Emma stated that she parked her car facing the 50 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:08.240 playground and about thirty yards away from it, so d'alce 51 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:11.479 Manuel could go and play under her supervision, and she 52 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:13.240 could stay in the car and help her little sister 53 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:16.039 with her homework and scratch off a lottery tickets she'd 54 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:21.000 just purchased at the same bodega where they bought ice cream. Now, 55 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:25.120 many people immediately started to criticize and question no Emma's actions. 56 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:28.000 Many wondered why she would bring an eight year old 57 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:29.960 to the park and why that eight year old wouldn't 58 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:32.000 want to play with the other children but instead sit 59 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:35.800 in the car and do homework. Why couldn't she do 60 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:39.080 her homework when they went home after the park. These 61 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:42.240 were seemingly reasonable questions many members of the public were asking. 62 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:45.159 Jema claimed that she kept her eyes on her two 63 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:47.199 children as best she could and could see them at 64 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:50.240 all times, except for about five to ten minutes when 65 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:52.560 she couldn't see them, but she just assumed they were 66 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:55.680 playing in the playground still, but maybe behind something where 67 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:58.840 she couldn't see, and she thought they'd come back into 68 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:03.479 view quickly. Obviously, this didn't happen, and again people were 69 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:07.840 questioning her actions. Why would she not be completely panicked 70 00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:09.759 when she didn't see her three and five year old 71 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:14.159 children for almost ten minutes. It isn't like their older children. 72 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:16.560 These are very small and young children, who, in some 73 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:19.480 people's opinions, were way too young to be off running 74 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:22.279 around by themselves, even if they were in the direct 75 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:26.040 line of side of their mother. To others, however, this 76 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:29.920 was not necessarily suspicious when considering no Emma's young age. 77 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:35.199 Here's where we start getting conflicting information as to what 78 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:38.160 happened next, And it would take quite a while to 79 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:40.720 recount every single story that's out there about what happened 80 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:43.759 after Noemma realized she hadn't seen they'll say and Manuel 81 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:47.639 from up to ten minutes. In the interest of saving time, 82 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:49.480 I'll just tell you the two main things that were 83 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:52.279 reported as far as to how no Emma realized something 84 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:56.600 was wrong. CNN reported that Manuel had gone to the 85 00:04:56.639 --> 00:05:00.759 car and informed no Emma that something had happened to Dulcay. However, 86 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:03.199 Noema stated that when she realized she hadn't seen the 87 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:05.680 children in a while, she took her little sister out 88 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:08.839 of the car and went to check on them. When 89 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:10.839 they finally saw it, a little three year old Manuel. 90 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:14.959 He was crying and his ice cream was on the ground. Now, 91 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:16.720 we always like to get the benefit of the doubt 92 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:18.600 to the victims, and had a grieving mother with a 93 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:22.360 missing child, in our opinion, also a victim until proven otherwise. 94 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:25.279 So let's just go with no Emma's account of going 95 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:27.600 to find the children and seeing Manuel crying with his 96 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:32.399 ice cream on the ground. Noema says that when she 97 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:35.199 saw it Manuel like this, she immediately asked him where 98 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:37.959 his sister was, and he allegedly pointed to a few 99 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:41.639 little maintenance buildings off to the side. These buildings would 100 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:46.319 contain equipment to up keep the park. Noema stated that 101 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:48.560 about hearing this, she went to the backside of these 102 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:51.040 little buildings and was calling for Dulce and looking for 103 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:54.399 She also claims this is when she realized there was 104 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:57.040 another entrance and exit to the park other than the 105 00:05:57.040 --> 00:05:58.959 once she had entered and parked in when they had 106 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:03.399 initially arrived. This entrance an exit came off a little 107 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:07.240 side path easily accessible from the main road, so in 108 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:12.439 the whole park two entrances and exits exist. Louima says 109 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:14.240 that she noticed that the only other people in the 110 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:16.160 park were four girls off to the side on the 111 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:19.600 basketball courts playing ball together, and that she didn't see 112 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:21.399 anyone else who was there at the time when she 113 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:25.759 was calling Dulce's name and looking for She said she 114 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:27.839 saw a man leaving the park with his children as 115 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:30.680 she entered, but he wasn't really there while they were, 116 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:34.079 and while all of this was happening, he was leaving 117 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:37.800 just as Noemma and her family were arriving. Apparently, she 118 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:40.519 wasn't panicked at this point because she thought Dulce was 119 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:42.600 just hiding and playing a game with her, as five 120 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:46.240 year old little girls will do. Nouema said she looked 121 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:48.560 for a little while longer and then decided to approach 122 00:06:48.600 --> 00:06:51.279 the four girls playing basketball and asked them if they 123 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:55.920 had seen Dulce. According to Noema, these four girls claim 124 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:57.920 they saw a man in a red van with tinted 125 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:00.600 windows pull up through that little side path that led 126 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.879 to the buildings. However, they didn't see or hear anything else. 127 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:07.600 It has often been reported that these four girls actually 128 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:10.480 stated that they saw this van and this man, but 129 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:12.839 also that they saw him grab Dulce and put her 130 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:16.600 into the back of it. There's no interviews at all, 131 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:18.759 at least that we could locate that have an interview 132 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:22.399 with these girls where they support this at all. All 133 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:24.199 they seemed to have seen was the van pull in 134 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:27.680 and then nothing else. They did give a description of 135 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:30.720 the man they saw driving it. Though. This is where 136 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:33.519 it gets so very confusing and a bit hard to report. 137 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:37.600 The case has so much conflicting information and so many 138 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:41.680 conflicting reports, it's really hard to nail down where exactly 139 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:46.560 all of this misinformation came from. For example, Noemma claims 140 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:48.399 the only other people in the park that she saw 141 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:51.560 were the four girls playing basketball, and she says that 142 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:53.879 these four girls only saw the one man enter the 143 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:57.720 park in his red van. However, when the police made 144 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:00.279 their statements, they actually let it be know that they're 145 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:03.680 looking for two different men. That it supported witnesses saw. 146 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:08.079 The confusion lies in which witnesses saw these men because 147 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:10.879 they're port of the four girls again only states they 148 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:13.839 saw one man and they were allegedly no other people 149 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:17.800 men or women in the park that day. This is 150 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:20.439 very confusing, but this isn't all that's hard to follow 151 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:23.040 and that doesn't make much sense in this case, but 152 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:24.879 we'll get to the rest of it as we navigate 153 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:28.920 through it. Now, let's start with the description given by 154 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:31.079 the girls playing basketball of the man in the red 155 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:34.879 van with tinted windows, a black man. That's it. That's 156 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:39.360 the entire description. Another witness, no idea where this witness 157 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:42.000 came from, if it wasn't or the basketball girls or 158 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:45.120 no Emma which it wasn't, came forward and gave a 159 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.840 description of a completely different man. This witness, who was 160 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:51.440 with two young children in the park that day, allegedly 161 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:55.039 saw a man they described as a light Hispanic male 162 00:08:55.480 --> 00:08:58.559 between the ages of thirty and thirty five, stating at 163 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:01.080 about five foot seven inches to hold and wearing a 164 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:05.000 white T shirt and baseball cap with blue jeans. Allegedly, 165 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:07.960 this man was driving a red van with tinted windows. 166 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:11.279 Police made it very clear that this man was not 167 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:13.639 a suspect. It was just someone they wanted to speak 168 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:15.960 to in case he had seen anything or had any 169 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:21.080 additional information that would be helpful in the investigation. Now, 170 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:24.879 let's revisit no Emma's actions when she realized Dulce was missing. 171 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:28.240 After looking for a daughter for about half an hour 172 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:31.480 and after speaking to the girls playing basketball, she called 173 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:35.120 nine one one and reported her daughter missing. In the 174 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:38.440 nine one one call, no Emma says, seemingly through tears, 175 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:44.279 I can't find my daughter. Are We were here down 176 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:49.720 at the park and people said that someone probably took her. 177 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:54.000 She then proceeds to tell the nine one one dispatcher 178 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:56.480 where she is at the park by the basketball courts, 179 00:09:56.960 --> 00:09:59.279 the park by the high school, and she gives him 180 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:05.679 Dulcie's AI. However, in this description, Noema has to ask 181 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:08.600 her sister what Dulce was last wearing, and when she 182 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:11.480 starts speaking to the dispatcher again, she tells them she 183 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:14.600 doesn't remember what Dulce was wearing, except that she had 184 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:18.600 on black and white like flowery pants and like some heels, 185 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:22.720 some white heels at the quote. When this nine one 186 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:25.159 one call was finally released to the public, as you 187 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:28.200 can imagine, there were many questions, in quite a bit 188 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:31.679 of suspicion. Why did no Emma say that witnesses were 189 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:35.440 saying someone probably took Dulcet? Was she saying the girls 190 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:38.879 at the basketball court said? This is this where the 191 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:41.320 complicting reports come from as to what was seen that 192 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:45.080 day and by whom Noema has always held firm that 193 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:49.279 Dulcet knew all about stranger danger. She knew never to 194 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:51.679 speak to reproach strangers, and to call for help if 195 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:56.080 someone approached her. Because Noema was so sure that Dulcie 196 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:59.320 wouldn't go anywhere with a random stranger, people started to 197 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:03.320 speculate that maybe it had been someone she knew. Many 198 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:06.840 felt like perhaps a child this young, even with having 199 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:10.279 something like stranger danger ingrained into their mind, would still 200 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:13.200 be very impressionable and easily manipulated by an adult who 201 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:16.799 knows what they're doing. Public seemed to have a very 202 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:18.879 hard time believing that if a five year old was 203 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:21.799 offered something like candy or maybe the chance to see 204 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:24.600 a puppy, that that five year old probably in most 205 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:27.919 cases at least, would go off with whoever was offering 206 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:30.480 them these things, because in a five year old's mind, 207 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:33.960 anyone with something like candy or puppy couldn't possibly be 208 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:38.000 a bad person. Also, would the concept of an adult 209 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:40.399 doing harm to them ever really be understood by a 210 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:46.159 child so young. However, maybe dulce was very mentally mature 211 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:49.639 for her age at least, and other family members eventually 212 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:52.279 showed up at the park and they all started searching 213 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:56.159 for Dulcein. Noema's parents were there, and they actually shared 214 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:59.919 custody with Noema and Dulcein. Technically, dul Saint lived in 215 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:05.480 their grandmother, Noema's mother. The day after Dulcie was reported 216 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:09.080 missing and amber alert was issued. Here's the description of 217 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:13.039 the suspect associated with the amber alert. By foot six 218 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:16.440 inches tall, possibly Hispanic male, with a thin build, with 219 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:19.559 some acne on his face and no facial hair. He 220 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:22.559 was wearing red pants, a black shirt, and orange sneakers. 221 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:27.039 So this suspect doesn't seem to fit the black man 222 00:12:27.159 --> 00:12:30.879 description as the basketball court rul is described. And it's 223 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:33.600 also not the description of the person of interest in 224 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:35.639 the police sketch who was wearing the white hand and 225 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:40.720 white T shirt. Where did this description come from? No idea? 226 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:45.000 And that's exactly what we mean about this case. Everything 227 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:48.120 is so very confusing, and some of it, like the 228 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:52.360 suspect descriptions, makes no sense. With not much more to 229 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:55.440 report by way of factional information, let's move on to 230 00:12:55.480 --> 00:12:59.519 some of the theories Dury. Number one is that no 231 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:02.879 Emma knows what happened to Dulce. Why would she allow 232 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:06.039 her two very small children, ages three and five, to 233 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:08.320 run off to play by themselves while she sat in 234 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:11.639 her car. How could she been watching them closely if 235 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:15.559 she was at Middley scratching off a lottery ticket, ordinarily 236 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:17.759 you would have to look down to scratch off one 237 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:22.840 of those tickets. After realizing she couldn't see these two children, 238 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:24.840 why did she wait up to ten minutes to get 239 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:27.159 out of the car and go and investigate where they were. 240 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:30.639 That's a very long time not to have eyes on 241 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:34.360 two very small children. Now, we brought this up in 242 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:36.120 the beginning of the story, and we're not the only 243 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:39.159 ones who thinks it's very weird and very suspicious that 244 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:41.519 Noema brought her kids and her little sister to the 245 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:43.960 park just for her eight year old sister to sit 246 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:48.080 in the car doing homework. Again, what eight year old 247 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:49.960 kid is going to sit in the car doing homework 248 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:52.399 of all things, on a nice day when they were 249 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:55.639 at a park slash playground and the two children they 250 00:13:55.679 --> 00:13:59.519 came with her outside playing and having fun. Even if 251 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:01.639 she did decides she wanted to do her homework at 252 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:03.759 the playground instead of playing and having fun with the 253 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:06.919 other kids, why would it be in the car. There 254 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:09.080 are benches and tables at this park she could have 255 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:13.159 sat at. Then Noema could have been even closer to 256 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:15.600 her children and more readily available to them in case 257 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:20.799 something happened. Why stay in the car. Some people speculate 258 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:24.200 that this is because no Emma was purposely keeping her 259 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:27.000 little sister away from the playground because she was setting 260 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:29.240 her five year old daughter up to be kidnapped and 261 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:31.200 didn't want the sister to see who was doing it. 262 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:33.759 Because it was a known person such as the father, 263 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:38.240 or just because she didn't want any more witnesses. No 264 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:40.519 Emma said herself that her three year old was only 265 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:42.759 able to point to the buildings. He couldn't talk yet 266 00:14:42.759 --> 00:14:45.200 and wouldn't be able to describe a suspect or really 267 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:48.080 give any other information at all except this pointing to 268 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:52.240 the maintenance sheds. It's also worth mentioning that while everyone 269 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:55.320 else was searching for Dulca that day, no Emma was 270 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:59.080 sitting down and eating pizza. Again, this could point to 271 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:02.320 her age. She was only nineteen and possible immaturity to 272 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:05.559 explain this, though. It could just be she is immature 273 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:08.360 and couldn't grasp the seriousness of the situation because of 274 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:12.600 her young age, but she is a mother, so not sure. 275 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:16.720 Even that is a very reasonable explanation. What is reasonable 276 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:19.639 about this, though, is that Noema was five months pregnant 277 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:21.639 and really should have been going long periods of time 278 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:25.960 without eating. People also went on to social media and 279 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:30.879 started pulling up Noema's pass post, mainly her Facebook, where 280 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:34.879 she was talking about doing drugs and drinking. Noema explained 281 00:15:34.919 --> 00:15:36.799 to the press when they asked about these posts that 282 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:39.679 they were very old and from when she was younger 283 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:42.559 and did have problems with drugs and alcohol, but that 284 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:45.039 she'd long since been cleaned and had stopped using both 285 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:49.159 alcohol and drugs. However, these posts couldn't have been made 286 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:52.679 that long ago. She was nineteen, which is pretty young anyway. 287 00:15:53.919 --> 00:15:56.279 Of course, the police searched Noema's car and also her 288 00:15:56.360 --> 00:15:58.840 cell phone, wough each was given back to her. Eventually 289 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:02.799 was seemingly no evidence found in either one. Noema was 290 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:05.200 shown the police sketches of the men the witnesses claimed 291 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:07.360 to have seen at the park that day and says 292 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:10.440 she has no idea who any of them are. She 293 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:13.600 vehemently denies knowing anything at all or knowing of anyone 294 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:16.879 who would want to take her daughter, despite her husband 295 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:22.399 supposedly wanting custody. This brings us to Noima went on 296 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:27.799 the Doctor Phil show this television interview because not just 297 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:30.279 a handful of locals helping to search for Dulcie to 298 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:33.440 be suspicious of the young mother, but most of the nation, 299 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:38.159 after singing it for themselves, many people who were advocates 300 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:40.759 for Noema being innocent and started to have their doubts. 301 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:44.519 When Doctor Phil asked Noema if there's anyone she could 302 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:46.919 think of who would want to take her daughter. She 303 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:48.679 told them that it could be a man who had 304 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:51.120 asked her on a date but who she had turned down, 305 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:55.799 and it also meant Dulce. Noima says that she thinks 306 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:59.399 this man could have been involved somehow. Now remember, up 307 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:02.840 until this went on the Doctor Phil show, she denied 308 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:05.720 knowing anyone who could have done this, or basically anything 309 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:08.759 about anything having to do with the abduction of her daughter. 310 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:12.799 When Doctor Phil brought up the fact that many people 311 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:15.920 are commenting on her lack of emotion, no Emma basically 312 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:18.240 states that she just doesn't like to show emotion in 313 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:20.640 front of people. Blame me. She doesn't even cry in 314 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:23.920 front of her parents. After all, there's no guidebook for 315 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:26.319 how to act when your child goes missing and people 316 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:28.960 are blaming you or saying no more than you're letting on. 317 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:32.079 She also claims to have taken a polygraph test, but 318 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:37.400 says she doesn't know what the results are. A woman 319 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:40.480 named Jackie Rodriguez who was helping with the search mainly 320 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:43.720 by translating for Dulce's grandparents because they didn't speak English, 321 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:47.880 and she was also interviewed by Doctor Phil. Doctor Phil 322 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:50.880 said that to him. In his opinion, no Ema was 323 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:53.319 suspicious in her lack of emotion and the way she 324 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:59.200 spoke so nonchalantly about her daughter's disappearance. Doctor Phil said, 325 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:02.559 I've work sadly with a lot of parents and children 326 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:05.359 who have been abducted. I've never worked with a mother 327 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:08.000 who has been as emotionally flat about a missing child 328 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:12.039 as no Emma. Jackie Rodriguez, who also worked closely with 329 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:14.440 no Eema during all this, responding to this quote by 330 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:17.240 saying that she agreed no Emma seemed just a bit 331 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:22.400 too calm given the circumstances. Jackie said, quote, I feel 332 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:25.519 that she knows the child is okay. She's missing her, 333 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:27.720 but I feel that she knows that she is okay. 334 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:30.960 I want to believe that she cries at night. I 335 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:33.759 want to say she is strong. I don't know. She's 336 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:37.359 just strong for the public or herself. She just doesn't 337 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:41.839 show emotion that much. End quote. Now let's move on 338 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:44.599 to some other theories. Just because someone doesn't show emotion 339 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:48.559 or it seems suspicious, that doesn't mean they are without 340 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:50.880 facts and evidence to back it all up. We definitely 341 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:53.839 cannot make any kind of determination one way or the 342 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:58.160 other and anything else. It's just speculation a theory too. 343 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:02.680 What about the biological father. Noima says, there's no way 344 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:04.440 it was him, because he was in Mexico at the 345 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:06.319 time and didn't have the money to even leave there, 346 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:10.640 let alone get to Bridgeton and kidnapped Dulce. What many 347 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:13.759 people immediately thought upon hearing this, though, was how he 348 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:17.079 had just recently told Noema that he wanted custody of Dulcet, 349 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:19.519 that he had finally realized by looking at her as 350 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:22.400 she was growing up, that she was in fact his child. 351 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:26.319 I stated earlier, he didn't say he wanted visitation or 352 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:30.160 parenting time, but full custody, which most likely would have 353 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:33.559 meant Dulce going to Mexico to live with him. Now 354 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:36.079 we're not sure if police looked into whether or not 355 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:38.519 he was actually in Mexico at the time or where 356 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:41.559 his whereabouts weren't one way or the other, but this 357 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:45.279 could be a likely theory. How happy do you think 358 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:47.640 Noema was when this man, the father of her now 359 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:50.559 five year old daughter, suddenly comes out of the woodwork 360 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:53.519 after denying paternity and wanting nothing to do with a 361 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:57.240 child for five years, essentially leaving no Emma at fourteen 362 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:00.480 to be a single mother, even though Dulcie was raised 363 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:04.480 by it. Noima's parents suddenly saying he now wanted full custody, 364 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:08.440 essentially taking the child away from her, seems that would 365 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:11.240 have been one nasty conversation and no Ema would have 366 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:14.920 every right to have been super upset. However, we don't 367 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:20.119 know how that conversation went, but can speculate not very well. Again, 368 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:25.440 in the public opinion, this is the most plausible theory. Unfortunately, 369 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:28.920 there's not any more information about any investigation done into 370 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:32.799 the biological father. Police did say they questioned the father 371 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:36.440 and verified his alibi for that day. He was supposedly 372 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:39.839 in college in Mexico. But it didn't necessarily have to 373 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:42.240 be the father himself who came and took Dulce on 374 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:44.920 the father's behalf. He could have sent someone else to 375 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:49.319 do it again, though no information is available as to 376 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:53.880 how far the investigation went. Considering the father, The only 377 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:56.680 information we have is that his name is Edgar Perez 378 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:01.680 and the FBI has spoken to him. That's it. Also 379 00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:04.640 the fact that there's a very disturbing lack of witnesses 380 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:09.440 to this kidnapping broad daylight in a public place, a playground, 381 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:12.799 no less, and nobody has since come forward giving any 382 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:16.160 kind of a leader tip to be followed. This really 383 00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:20.400 bothered people until information came out about this community having 384 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:25.319 a very large migrant presence and ICE essentially harassing anyone 385 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:30.000 being questioned in regards to this case. Knowima's current boyfriend 386 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:32.519 and father of an unborn baby at the time, while 387 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:35.759 being questioned by the police, was also detained by ICE 388 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:39.079 and threatened with deportation. Now we're not going to get 389 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:42.480 political here, but if ICE truly operates this way, then 390 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:46.720 that's understandable how it may have hindered the entire investigation, 391 00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:49.319 because witnesses aren't going to come forward at all if 392 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:51.279 they think they have to worry about being threatened with 393 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:54.480 deportation or being detained for long periods of time just 394 00:21:54.519 --> 00:21:57.240 for trying to be helpful or cooperating with this missing 395 00:21:57.279 --> 00:22:02.359 child investigation. Other thing we'd like to point out, because 396 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:05.839 there's literally no more information available, is remember the kids 397 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:09.119 each had an ice cream. When Noema found her son 398 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:11.400 sitting there crying and pointing to the maintenance shed with 399 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:14.000 his ice cream on the ground. Something had occurred to 400 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:20.039 her Where was Dulcy's ice cream and spoon. If someone 401 00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:22.240