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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely You Can't Be

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Serious Podcast, discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten

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of eighties and nineties pop culture with your co hosts

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Jane D. Graves and Jason Caliban.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody. Here we are for our second part

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in the Synchronicity Versus Frontiers debate. And Jason, I've got

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a great idea for a video. You should play the

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air keyboards and I will play the air guitar and

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we'll get somebody else to play the air drop.

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Speaker 3: We think invisible instruments. Yes, that sounds incredible on a

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wharf and have a lady walking around.

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Speaker 2: Now, now, wait a minute, a minute, that would be

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absolutely the worst video in the history of the world.

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We can't do that. I don't know what I was thinking.

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Speaker 3: Let's hang out. We'll be out there in our jeans

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and tennis shoes. We'll get some lady off the street just.

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Speaker 2: To walk around. Awesome tank top.

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Speaker 3: That you got it Target last night.

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Speaker 2: And I'll get my haircut right beforehand. Well, welcome back everybody.

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As you can see, we're already having fun with this one. Today.

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We're here to talk about Journey if you didn't catch

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our last episode, we talked about The Police and we're

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comparing the two albums that came out in nineteen eighty three.

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The Police had Synchronicity and Journey had Frontiers Synchronicity. That

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album was released in June of nineteen eighty three. Frontiers

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is actually released in February of nineteen eighty three. Yeah,

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so today we will cover Frontiers and then finish up

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with our decision on which one we think is the best.

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Speaker 3: I'm anxious to hear what you think I really am

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because most of the time I have kind of an

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inkling of where you are. I have no idea where

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you're on these two.

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Speaker 2: So it is very, very difficult because these are two

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phenomenal albums. Like I said last episode, Police was the

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best band in the world, and this was their best

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album with the most hits. And the Journey this one

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has a ton of hits. It's got my favorite of

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all Journey songs to kick things off, and so it's

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a hard choice. I'll tell you when we get there. Okay,

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stay tuned, Okay, So let's jump in. You know, the

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only member of Journey that was an original member of

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Journey is Neil shown. You know Neil shown story.

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Speaker 3: The only thing I really know about him is that

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he picked up the guitar at like age five, and

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he was born at Tinker Air Force Base, which is

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about twenty miles from where we're recording right.

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Speaker 2: Now, So right right, yeah, I doubt he remembers Oklahoma,

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but we'll we'll claim him anyway, right, He.

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Speaker 3: Is in the Oklahoma Hall of Fame, so we're claiming.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, Neil Shwan. I'm sure he tells everyone he's

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from Oklahoma.

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Speaker 3: This band was very nearly named Oklahoma City, but instead

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they settled on Journey.

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Speaker 2: Well, they had some wild names to go through. But

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let's back it up a little bit. So Neil shown

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after Obviously the big important part about being born on

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Tinker Air Force Bace here in Oklahoma. He ends up

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in California, has a turntable in his room, listens to

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Jimmy hendrickson Cream every night, falls in love with the guitar.

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And I guess that's sleep hypnotism work, because at fifteen

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years old he is an amazing guitar player already, He's

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a professional guitarist by age fifteen.

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Speaker 3: You and I have talked. We both have fifteen year

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old boys in our house right now. The idea of

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him going out on the road and playing in a

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rock band.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of weird how that fifteen thing keeps coming up.

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I mean, you had Eddie Murphy doing stand up when

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he was fifteen. You had Rick Allen who started playing

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with def Leopard at age fifteen, and then you have

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Neil Shoan who's playing the guitar at fifteen. It's crazy,

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but he got noticed. Of all people, he got noticed

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by Greg Rawley, who was the keyboardist and lead singer

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for the band Santana.

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Speaker 3: I mean Santana. I mean that's a big time band.

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Speaker 2: It's huge.

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Speaker 3: Joins them at age fifteen.

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Speaker 2: I mean we're talking. They played at Woodstock. I mean

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these guys are an amazing band. And this guy, Greg

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Rawley was so impressed with Neil Show's ability at age fifteen,

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he would go and pick him up from high school

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in the morning, not after our school was done, because

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it was like, listen, dude, you don't need to bother

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with school because you were going to be a rock god. Okay,

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so come on. Herbie Herbert was manager for Santana at

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the time, and he heard Neil shown play and he

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was like, we need to have this come around a

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little bit because he was blown away, blown away by

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a fifteen year old.

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Speaker 3: Neil Showan is a phenomenal guitar player, and I think

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he's vastly underappreciated. We talked in our Van Halen podcast

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about Eddie is a rock god, but when he wants to,

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he can make his guitar scene and Neil is that

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type of guitar player. It always compliments the song. He

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never stands out there and says, look at me, watch

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me go crazy. His guitar always helps the song.

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Speaker 2: In might opinion, Yeah, absolutely, And to say that means

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a lot because this time and history was it was

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all about the guitar solos, and so he definitely had

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that opportunity to be out there and being that guy.

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But I would say that it took some doing, but

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he appreciated what they were and where he needed to

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be in the scheme of things and didn't try to

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didn't try to take that spotlight over. So he joined Santana,

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and I mean, it's crazy you watch some of the

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old Santana videos that they have that are all psychedelic

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and weird technicolor DreamWorks things going on. And he's just

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a baby out there with his guitar playing with these

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guys who are veterans of the hard rock scene. But

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he's amazing. I mean, he's a baby, but he's like,

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as they said in Bull Durham, the gods reached down

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and touched his hand and his arm became a lightning bolt.

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Speaker 3: You know. So he doesn't stay with Santana.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, Herbie Herbert says, hey, guys, you know, we

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need to do something different. He and Greg Rawley they

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split off. This was kind of like part two of Santana.

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Santana and Santana. You can't really take that from right.

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So they go out on their own and they start

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this band called Golden Gate something or other. I don't

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even rhythm section. We think, yeah, I think so that

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sounds good. It was not a good name. It was

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a horrible but he at.

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Speaker 3: Air Force Base would have been a better name.

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Speaker 2: But yes, or Oklahoma City better names. And so they're

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a band unlike the Journey that we know today. I mean,

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they are a band that is in the kind of

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fusion rock progressive rock scene, which is a lot of

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instrumental solos. That's the band that they were for a

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long time, and they developed a significant following. Is that

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kind of.

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Speaker 3: Band they did, But they didn't have any hits.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were selling tickets, they weren't selling any records.

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The CBS was like, hey, guys, you want us to

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keep paying for your concerts, you better give us a hit. Something.

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Speaker 3: We need, something we can play on the radio.

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Speaker 2: And Herbie Herbert realized, we need a singer. We need

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a singer who can sing well. And they went through

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a couple of guys that just didn't quite have it.

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And in the meantime, while all of this is going on,

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you got young Steve Perry who's been playing in rock bands,

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going through those same motions that early rock and rollers

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go through, and he actually gets in with the band

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called Alien Project. Looks like this band is going to

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be good. You know, they've they've got a decent song.

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They are just about to sign their record deal, and

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then the bass player gets killed in a car crash

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with a train, and when he dies, the band dies.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Steve Perry at that time, felt like, man,

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just when I'm on the cusp of my dreams coming

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true whatever it is, the universe is stacked against me. Yeah,

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you feel like that was my chance and now it's dead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he went back home. I mean he was done.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about Steve Perry, who who arguably has the

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greatest singing voice of the nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 2: Journey is arguably the definitive eighties band, at least the

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definitive early eighties band in my book. I mean, if

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you want to say what was the sound of nineteen

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eighty through nineteen eighty five for bands, I'm gonna go, well, Journey.

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Journey's pretty darn good example.

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Speaker 3: You could do a lot worse than Journey, that's for sure.

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They had this formula of pumping out hits that everybody liked.

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Bon Jovi was kind of that towards the latter half

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and just everybody sort of mainstream like these songs.

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Speaker 2: But before they get there, Herbie Herbert is thinking, what

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do we gotta do to get a decent hit? We

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got to have a singer. And he's going through these

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demo tapes and he hears this tape and he's like, no,

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tell me that this is Steve Ferry because I just

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keep running into this guy, and sure enough it was

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Steve Perry. And he's like, all right, where is he?

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And somebody's looking and they're like, uh, looks like he's

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living back with his parents and working on a turkey ranch.

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He's like, no, really, what's he doing the Nope, that's

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what he's doing. He went back home, he had no

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money and he's working on a turkey ranch.

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Speaker 3: And he was grateful to have that job. His step

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dad's like, hey, come back home, you can fix the

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turkey cages. I'll give you a paycheck. And he was like, oh,

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thank god.

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Speaker 2: So when Herbie Herbert calls him up, he's like, nah,

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I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: I'm good, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got it. Now, you know,

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I gotta pay rent.

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Speaker 3: I got a I don't know where, I got a

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guy on the other line sowing some white walls.

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Speaker 2: So Herbie Herbert says, I tell you what, I'll pick

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up your paycheck for a week. I mean, you know what,

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in the seventies was probably like thirty five bucks. Right,

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So he Herbie Herbert is making plans to fly him

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out there, and so he plays a demo of Steve

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singing for Greg and for Neil, and both of them

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are like, no hard pass, no, no, no, this guy's

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a crooner, right, we don't we want somebody who screams,

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and we want to play our music loud and we're

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going to rock. And Herbie Herbert says he's going to

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be the lead singer this band. That's the end, and

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thankfully he did that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, where would we be without Steve Perry. I

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mean this band would be in obscurity? Right, So Steve

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gets flown out, he meets Neil. They actually kind of

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hit it off. Surprisingly, Neil's obviously against him at the beginning,

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but they get to know each other. They end up

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hanging out at a hotel room in Denver and Neil

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starts playing a little bit on his guitar and Steve

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starts singing some lyrics and they literally in five minutes

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write the song patiently nice.

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Speaker 2: So it looks like it's going to be a good fit, right,

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Neil decides, Okay, I don't need to be the rock god.

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I don't need to be the guitar hero. I want

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to put my stuff in there, but I'm not going

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to overpower this guy, because this guy's got chops. I mean,

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he's got a great voice, and the audience, you know,

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their diehard fans are like, what's going on a little bit,

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but a whole lot of people were like, hey, these

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guys sound good with this new lead singer. They're getting

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some more radio play, they were getting more tickets sold,

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and it looked like it was going to go well.

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Speaker 3: It's funny because a band is kind of like a

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basketball team. You get one or two great players, and

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all of a sudden you've got a great team. You

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get Neil Sean who is an amazing guitar, and you

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pair him up with a voice like Steve Perry's mean

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you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Right, So, both Neil and Greg Rawley both kind of

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pulled themselves back, you know, they said, Okay, this is

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a new direction that we're going and it seems to

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Ainsley Dunbar didn't really feel the same way. I mean,

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he was a hard rocking drummer and he wanted to

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bang his drums, and as the band went on, Steve.

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he starts to assert himself and say, listen, you know

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the drums are overpowering. What's going on. You need to

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pull it back, And Ainsley Dunbar is like, no, I don't.

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I like drum and hard and I'm going to drum hard.

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And eventually it just you know, came down to an

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ultimatum and ains Dunbar didn't win that one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's out for sure.

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Speaker 2: So then they replace him with the drummer from montros

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throw Back, Steve Smith. Then they do a tour. Things

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are going well, they're actually having a whole lot of success,

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write and some really great songs, and Greg Rawley comes

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to Herbie Herbert and says, I don't want to do

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this anymore. Yeah, what you know, we're having the biggest

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success we've ever had. He's like, I know, and I

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don't understand it either, but I just don't want to

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be in this band anymore. And I'll just tell you what,

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I don't think that you're going to be with these

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guys very long anymore.

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Speaker 3: Either, that's interesting. I mean getting off the train as

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it's leaving the station. It's always an interesting decision looking back,

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you know, Well, I mean he was I mean they

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were on their way to the destination. I mean he

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was there where they're making some big hits. But his

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departure ends up being a huge blessing because what happens

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is Jonathan Kane joins the band to replace him, and

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Jonathan Kane is responsible for so many of their hits.

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He really really adds that hit making formula to the band.

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Speaker 2: He's got a very similar personality to Steve Perry. They're

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very much about the music. They're very kind of self conscious,

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but very good at what they do, and so they

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immediately form camaraderie. And at one point, Cain starts playing

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this melody and I'll play it for you right now,

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and Steve Perry's like, hey, that's good. What is that?

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And He's like, oh, it's just something I've been messing

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around with. You know. I played it for John, but

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he wasn't really interested in it. So John is John

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Waite from the band Baby and Bad English as well

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later on. But yeah, so John Waite, here's this melody

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that ultimately ends up becoming Open Arms, and he was like,

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it's kind of sentimental rubbish. I'm not interested.

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Speaker 3: That's ridiculous. I mean, he turns down one of the

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greatest power ballads of all time and then goes on

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to make Missing You, which is one of the biggest

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wienie songs of the eighties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean talking about sentimental rubbish.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 2: But when Steve Perry hears this melody for Open Arms,

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he puts the lyrics to it, He's like, yeah, this

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is good, this is just I know it's gonna be hit.

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And Jonathan Kaine's obviously in love with that idea, and

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Neil Sean's like, this sounds like Mary Poppins. What is

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his crap? And I'm like, okay, because I don't know

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what what am I supposed to do in this song?

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And they're like, Neil, just chillax man, It's just you

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don't have to be the guy in every song. He

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butted heads with him during the recording like he was mad.

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It was one of those standard Prima Donna tantrums. And

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then once they have it down, they played in concert

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later on and the crowd goes nuts. Of course, and

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then Steve looks at Neil, and Neil is just like

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in shock. He's like, what it had no anticipation of

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how they were going to react to this song. Thankfully,

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he said, you know what, I changed my mind. I

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think I can play this song and I think we

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can do more like it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right. So the song that we've just been

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talking about, Open Arms, was off their Escape album, which

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came out in nineteen eighty one, huge, huge power ballad.

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You've heard it a billion times. That album also contained

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a song, Oh you may have heard of it. It's

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called Don't Stop Believing.

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Speaker 2: I think God, let me think about that. Pretty sure?

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I heard that one. Could you have a few bars?

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Speaker 3: No? So I mean you have these two major, major

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songs right at the beginning of the eighties. So that

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brings us to nineteen eighty three. We're going to talk

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about Frontiers.

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Speaker 2: Right, And I got a question. I failed to look

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this up. I feel like it was not nineteen eighty three.

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I feel like it was nineteen eighty four. But do

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you know what year the Journey video game came out?

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Speaker 3: It had to be eighty three. It had to be

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eighty three. I played that game in the arcade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I played. Actually in Fort Smith, Arkansas. They had

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that game in the arcade for a little while and

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then it went away and it was devastating. And then

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the big new movie theater opened up, the AMC and

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they had the game in the movie theater, and I

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found myself going to the movie theater just to play

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the game. I probably missed out on the beginning of

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a few movies because of that game.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you walk around with Neil Sean and he's

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You're shooting out of the end of your guitar.

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Speaker 2: Favorite song, favorite part of the game.

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Speaker 3: I think would they play? They played? They played like

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Separate Ways.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Neil Sean was the one doing Separate ways and

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shooting things with his guitar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nineteen eighty three.

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Speaker 2: It was out of nineteen eighty three Bingo Bongo and

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it has the logos. It has the same logo as

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the Frontiers.

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Speaker 3: Yep, sure does.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which to me is I mean that's every time

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I think of Journey, I think of that logo. I

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don't think of the Beatle or anything else like that.

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It's always the large blue head which that game. You

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are one of our listeners, Karlon Bullard pointed out to

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me that that game and the Tron game are very similar, which,

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thinking back, they are, Yeah, definitely, very very similar. Yeah,

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and so you even that Big Head is kind of

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similar to the Tron Giant Head and the Rainbow Spinny

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thing both awesome soundtracks on a video game. I mean

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I could just stand there and listen to people play

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the game.

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Speaker 3: Yes, for sure, for sure. I gotta give a quick

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shout out to I tell you, I've got these two

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women that I go to church with who are eighties

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music freaks. One was Melissa Mingle and she helped me

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with synchronicity. The other is Cindy Smith and she was

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a big Journey fan. And I was asking her what

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she remembered about Frontiers.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 3: What she told me She was a freshman in high school.

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She got caught sneaking the car out at a friend's

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house and got grounded and could not attend the Frontiers

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concert in Oklahoma City. Ohn devastating to her, and I

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thought that is a very eighties moment. She said, her

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friend didn't get in trouble, still got to go. She

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couldn't go to the concert.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's rough. That's rough.

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Speaker 3: All right. Frontiers was released February first, nineteen eighty three.

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Are you ready to dive in and talk about the tracks?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it, all right.

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Speaker 3: So the first song, the first track in the album,

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Separate Ways.

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Speaker 2: I'm banging my head right now, so freaking good. Such

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a good song. I mean, I don't care about any

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other song on this album. This song seals the video

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for him fan freaking tast two.

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Speaker 3: It's a great song. It's a pump your fist sing along.

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Top down, turn it up, summertime, crank it out.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've said it before. I was listening to

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this when I've been running. This song gives me legs

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more than any like if I'm if, I'm like even

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and I'm like I can't make it, I'm like, okay.

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Siri plays several ways.

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Speaker 3: Several ways, has this great i mean pounding chorus, you know, yeah,

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the synthesizers and the guitar.

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Speaker 2: This is one that I was like, Perry's vocals, My gosh,

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You've got this very interesting thing where you've got this

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melody playing the and so it's the same melody, but

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then the chords change. So despite the fact that the

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chords are changing, the melody stays the same even over

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different chords, sounds perfect. And then the bass keeps pumping

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this same bassline throughout the whole thing. It's a beautiful,

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beautiful mixture of musically that I you know, I just

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sound like Chris Farley, right, I love it. It's really great.

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Speaker 3: Okay. So this this song was actually written in nineteen

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eighty two while they were on the Escape tour. Yeah,

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I said, that's kind of unusual for them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jonathan Caine wrote this on a thirty dollar Cassio keyboard.

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That's insane. I mean he had the same keyboard that

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like I had at my house.

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Speaker 3: The thirty dollars one you get a radio shack, right.

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So this song reached number one on the Hot Rocks,

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number eight on the Hot one hundred, number one that week.

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Billy Jeanie by Michael Jackson, gosh one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy's always in there spoiling people's fun.

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Speaker 3: He's he blocked paramania, he blocked synchronicity, and he's blocking

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Journey right now.

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Speaker 2: It was a good thing the police blocked him for

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at least a little bit.

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Speaker 3: For a little bit before I take that over.

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Speaker 2: Right, So this one, the basis for this song while

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they were on tour, Neil Showen and Ross Valerie were

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both going through painful and expensive divorces, and Perry said

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to Kaine, hey man, there's got to be a more

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soulful way to look at what's going on. And they

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worked up. After Jonathan had put the music together on

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his thirty dollars cassio keyboard. Perry does the melody and

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the lyrics and they're like, yeah, this is actually this

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is actually pretty decent. And so they show it to

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the band. They were, like you said, they were on

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tour while this was going on. They work on it

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during their sound check, you know, like before the concert starts,

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they're like, okay, let's see if we can play this.

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They work on it for a little I mean, you

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don't have that long on stage. They work on it

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for a little bit, and they played it that night,

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played it that night live, love it. I mean, I

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think I think Steve Perry even had to like mumble

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through half the lyrics because he couldn't remember what he

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was just three hours before. But people went insane.

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Speaker 3: Listen to what Neil Sean said about the song. He said,

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like many other songs from this band, Motown mixed with

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R and B and blues. So that's what Separate Ways is.

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But it's got heavier guitar than an R and B.

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But he said, that's what I think makes it sound

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like Journey.

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Speaker 2: And then they decided to make the video.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the video.

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Speaker 2: I have an idea. We let us have the band

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that some of the best musicians of all time play

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the air. Jonathan Kine is like, he looks like a

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bear or something so hard I can't even imagine being

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the band. And the direct you get. Got to remember

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this is early early eighties, so you know, you get

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guys who the day before were directing like a bud

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Light commercial or something. I mean, those are the directors

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you have because because nobody's thinking, nobody's gone coming out

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of USC going, let's think I'll make us a music video.

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Because nobody cared. Nobody knew what that was. It was insignificant.

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And so you get this director who's like, Okay, you guys,

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let's put your instruments away. Okay, what are we gonna do.

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You're gonna play your instruments? Wait a minute, what, No,

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it's gonna be awesome.

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Speaker 3: They're invisible and then we'll flash them in and then

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all of a sudden you'll be playing them for real.

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Speaker 2: Oh and then oh.

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Speaker 3: Hey, honey, you're you're one of the guy's girlfriends. Okay,

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I want you to walk across the screen, Just just

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walk across the screen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually, when Steve Perry showed up and he had

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just cut his hair, like, I mean, he had his

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fresh mullet going on, and his girlfriend Sherry, who the

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song Oh Sherry is all about, who he dated all

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the time, and he was in Journey. She was livid

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about the fact that there's another girl in the video

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and she's a good looking lady. But I mean, how

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do you come to the video. I mean, you're not

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like a world renowned actress or something. How do you

470
00:21:02,039 --> 00:21:03,640
come in and say, I don't like that some other

471
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:04,480
girls in this video.

472
00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:05,519
Speaker 3: It's crazy crazy.

473
00:21:05,559 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 2: And then you see the video and I don't even think.

474
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,759
I don't even think. Steve Perry and the random, very

475
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,880
very eighties looking girl, even in the same.

476
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,160
Speaker 3: Scene one dime, it's like he was kissing her. My gosh,

477
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,079
she just walked in front of him while he was singing.

478
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,640
Speaker 2: Screaming in somebody else's face as she walks in between him.

479
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,599
So Ross Valerie has the porn stash and porn glasses on,

480
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,119
yes he does. And Steve Smith is wearing a foosball switch.

481
00:21:31,759 --> 00:21:34,480
I mean, these guys, I just I'm looking at this

482
00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:36,880
video and I'm like, did you guys like fall in

483
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,440
the mud and have to stop at Walmart on the

484
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:39,160
way over to the video.

485
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 3: It looks like it's just as like they got the call.

486
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,319
Hey guys, listen, be down the wharf in twenty minutes.

487
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,680
I'm playing now, I'm at the arcade. That's okay, just

488
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:47,200
come on over.

489
00:21:47,559 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, where's it gonna be. It's gonna be at the

490
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,079
wharf at this well, good news. There's a giant sign

491
00:21:52,079 --> 00:21:54,640
this is wharf across the building. It's a big important

492
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:55,240
part of the video.

493
00:21:55,799 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 3: It's an industrillar area. Nobody bothers there, don't worry. It's

494
00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:58,599
it's gorgeous.

495
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,160
Speaker 2: Listen, dogong, is that you god awful video?

496
00:22:01,319 --> 00:22:03,400
Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about that because we talked during the

497
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,119
def Lebert Hysteria podcast a few weeks ago. Yeah, Poor

498
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,920
some Sugar on Me had a terrible video along with

499
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,759
this great, great song, Yes, and we questioned whether or

500
00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:13,839
not Poor Some Sugar on Me would be as remembered

501
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,319
as it was as it is because of that crappy video.

502
00:22:16,599 --> 00:22:19,839
Speaker 2: Right, Well, the difference, well, but the difference here of

503
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,279
five years is huge as far as music videos are concerned.

504
00:22:23,319 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 3: Well, that's true, but this video has a great song

505
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,680
and a horrible video.

506
00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, this this song is great because of the radio.

507
00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:32,680
I mean, it wasn't much longer before songs had to

508
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,319
be great on MTV before they were going to be

509
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,160
great on the radio. But this was still when the

510
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:37,680
radio waves ruled the day.

511
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,759
Speaker 3: Oh man, And this song is great. This song was great, Okay,

512
00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:46,920
second track of the album Center My Love. This was

513
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,400
the fourth single released in September of nineteen eighty three.

514
00:22:49,519 --> 00:22:52,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, this one was written by Jonathan Kane. He had

515
00:22:52,319 --> 00:22:55,680
been listening to a lot of Beatles albums and he

516
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,839
had this experience like he was on stage and he

517
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,799
got called backstage and somebody said something about Virginia, and

518
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,599
Virginia was like this girl he dated when he was

519
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,000
a teenager. And they said, you know, she still talks

520
00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:09,079
about you and your relationship. And he said, you know,

521
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,960
it was just one of those off handed comments that

522
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,000
you make. And he said he looked at her and

523
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,599
just said send her my love. Wait a minute, that's

524
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,640
a song. That's a song. We got to make that song.

525
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,960
And my gosh, break out the cassio.

526
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,839
Speaker 3: This song has that wonderful eighties synth rock mix. I mean,

527
00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:28,039
it's just I mean, how many people learned to skate

528
00:23:28,079 --> 00:23:30,039
backwards to this song. It's just one of It's one

529
00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:34,279
of those roller skating ring specials, you know, Yeah, right,

530
00:23:34,319 --> 00:23:36,359
a couples back out to the center of the drink,

531
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,279
turn it on, crank it up.

532
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,759
Speaker 2: This one. He says. I went home and I called

533
00:23:40,759 --> 00:23:42,440
Steve Perry up and I said, I came up with

534
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,319
this idea and I wrote it on the spot, and

535
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,240
a lot of stuff was just on the spot, very spontaneous.

536
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,400
We kind of wrote with an urgency because we didn't

537
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,279
have a lot of time together and the road was

538
00:23:51,319 --> 00:23:53,960
hard enough. And when we did write, we wrote very intensely,

539
00:23:54,319 --> 00:23:57,359
and all the lyrics were like within hours, which didn't

540
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,119
mess around. And so once again they have I have

541
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,960
this amazing song that they put together spur of the moment,

542
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,599
off handed comment, beautiful song.

543
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. I love it. This reached number

544
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,279
twenty three in the US charts. I'm surprised didn't get higher. Frankly,

545
00:24:10,319 --> 00:24:12,759
it's a great It's on the Makeout Mix of nineteen

546
00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:13,279
eighty three.

547
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,559
Speaker 2: From Both People. Right, I'll give that tape back to

548
00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:16,039
you next week.

549
00:24:16,079 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: Okay, we're adding to our makeout mix list here. Okay,

550
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,839
the next song. This song is called Chain Reaction.

551
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,079
Speaker 2: This song I told you before, I listen to these

552
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,440
songs running and as listen to this one, I feel good.

553
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,440
But I'm like, I feel like I'm in a rocky

554
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:37,559
montage moment right now, Like I'm rocky running along this song,

555
00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:39,480
and I'm pretty sure that it's gonna We're gonna do

556
00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:41,200
a fast cut to me getting punched in the stomach

557
00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:41,880
or something. I don't know.

558
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,599
Speaker 3: I think this is kind of a fist pumping song.

559
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,119
This would be great in concert. They released this. It

560
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,200
was a video but not a single. It was a

561
00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:50,960
hit on the Hot Rocks chart. It's featured in the

562
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,759
Journey video game that we talked about a few mens ago.

563
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but unfortunately, this one is a song that is dated,

564
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,400
Like its dated. Yeah. If I listen to this song now,

565
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,039
it just says eighties to me. These are other songs

566
00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:02,720
I'm like, I don't care when this came out. It's

567
00:25:02,759 --> 00:25:05,400
still good now this one. I'm like this. This is

568
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,480
stuck in the eighties right here.

569
00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:08,759
Speaker 3: See, I like this song. Okay, and I didn't have

570
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:10,920
a relationship with it before we dove into this podcast,

571
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,519
but I like it. It's catchy. Once again, anything Steve

572
00:25:13,519 --> 00:25:16,000
Perry sings automatically kind of has a head start with me. Yeah,

573
00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:19,920
but I like it. Have you seen the video? Do you,

574
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:20,720
George the video for this?

575
00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 2: No, I haven't seen the video.

576
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 3: Okay, so picture this. All the guys that you saw

577
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,799
in the Separate Ways video are now in tuxedos. They

578
00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:29,680
look like they're at the senior prom though they don't

579
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,839
look like James Bond. They look like my seventeen year

580
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,599
old guns right. And there's this you know, it's this

581
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,960
pumping sort of rock or chain reaction, and Steve and

582
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,759
Neil are sort of like yelling at each other and

583
00:25:39,839 --> 00:25:41,759
they're in the course of the video, Neil actually pushes

584
00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:42,519
Steve to the ground.

585
00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:45,519
Speaker 2: It's weird, it's eighties. But does anybody have a tuxedo

586
00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:46,720
shirt on? Tuxedo teach?

587
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 3: No, No, it's actual tuxedos.

588
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: I like it.

589
00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: I like it.

590
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,799
Speaker 3: All right. Next The number four track on the album

591
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:08,000
single is called after the Fall. Now it's what'd you say?

592
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 2: Well?

593
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,759
Speaker 3: Okay? This is another song written by Jonathan Kane Steve Perry.

594
00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:12,720
Peaked at number twenty three on the Hot one hundred.

595
00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:15,240
This song appeared in Risky Business. You might recognize it

596
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:15,880
Risky Business.

597
00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:17,559
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say. Yup, it appeared in

598
00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:20,319
the film Risky Business. Is the only fact that about

599
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:20,880
this song.

600
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 3: Did you see this video?

601
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 2: Nope?

602
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,039
Speaker 3: All right, this video same guys from the Separate Ways video.

603
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,640
The band, yes, all dressed in khaki pants like Jake

604
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,440
from the State Farm. Right now, they're all falling out

605
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,480
of the sky past an open window. What they're falling like?

606
00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:38,640
You see this open window and they're like falling. They

607
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,880
keep falling right after the fall and you get told

608
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,160
they're diving into a swimming pool or something, fully dressed

609
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:43,880
in their khakis.

610
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: Oh my word. Yeah, that was the That's the other

611
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:50,720
thing about directors of early eighties music videos. Let's treat

612
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:53,559
this song as literally as we possibly can.

613
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: But I like the song. It's catchy, that sort of

614
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:56,839
power ballad.

615
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: This one, like a lot of these songs, kind of

616
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,839
falls into that category of it's the filler. To me,

617
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,200
this is another this is a filler.

618
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 3: It doesn't stand out, it doesn't belong in their greatest

619
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:06,000
hits for sure.

620
00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: Okay.

621
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,039
Speaker 3: Now, then fifth song on the album. This song's called

622
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:19,359
Faithfully where You're Wrong, You've go along.

623
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:28,039
Speaker 2: And round, So beautiful, so so beautiful. We covered this

624
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:29,680
one when this was one of the songs my band

625
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,200
covered in high school. And just the way, the way

626
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,240
the piano comes in and then then the guitar comes

627
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,000
in leading over the piano is just if it doesn't

628
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,480
pull out your heartstrings, you are a soulless creature. I don't.

629
00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:42,880
I have no pity for you.

630
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: Every time I listen to this song, it blows me away.

631
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,880
It crescendos, and when Steve Perry is singing that whoa

632
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,279
you know, yeah, I want to pull over and light

633
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,720
up my lighter and like wave to nobody. You just

634
00:27:54,759 --> 00:27:56,839
sway with the crowd. You know, it's so good.

635
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,799
Speaker 2: This one was written completely by Jonathan Kane and he says,

636
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,880
God gave me that song.

637
00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:04,839
Speaker 3: He said this, this is interesting to me.

638
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said. He's on a bus heading to Saratoga

639
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,440
Springs and then he wakes up the next day and

640
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,440
there's a napkin on his nightstand and he looks at

641
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,200
the lyrics which are in his handwriting, but he doesn't

642
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,960
even remember writing him. He just sees Highway run into

643
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,319
the midnight sun and he says, I got this supernatural download.

644
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:33,200
And that was the rest of the song. He said.

645
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,599
He wrote like frantically, trying to get it to it

646
00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:37,559
as quickly, put it down as quickly as it just

647
00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:40,359
seems to supernaturally come into his brain. And in thirty

648
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,880
minutes he had written the entire song on that napkin,

649
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,799
which he then took to his piano. This wasn't on

650
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,319
this gassio. This one. He had his big grand piano

651
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,039
and played it through and thought to himself, this is good.

652
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,880
If somebody were to say, name a song by Journey

653
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,640
that is divinely inspired, I wouldn't have any hesitation but

654
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,519
to say, Faithfully, Yeah, I'm with you on that.

655
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: Brian Adams opened for Journey on their nineteen eighty three

656
00:29:02,319 --> 00:29:04,839
Frontiers to her Yeah. During that time he wrote the

657
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,200
song Heaven, which he believes was heavily influenced by Faithfully,

658
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:11,880
and actually on that track, Journey drummer Steve Smith plays.

659
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: The guy who directed this video was found by Herbie Herbert,

660
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,880
and it was a guy who shot NFL films, like

661
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,759
playing footage that you just see. So like the guy

662
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:23,559
who's shooting Walter Payton scoring touchdowns is now filming Steve

663
00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:26,359
Ferry shaving his mustache.

664
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,359
Speaker 3: Right exactly. That's cool. I thought this was super interesting.

665
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:33,440
After recording the song purple Ring, Prince called Jonathan Kane

666
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,079
worried that it might sound too similar to Faithfully and

667
00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:38,279
asked him to listen to it. Kane reassured Prince and

668
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:41,160
told him that the songs only shared the same four chords.

669
00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:43,759
I'm not a musician, but it's that just as interesting

670
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:48,400
the video. It's like the first road video you actually get.

671
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:50,559
I mean throughout the eighties, I mean Bonjovi does it,

672
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,319
Guns of Roses does it, Genesis does it, Poison does it,

673
00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:56,240
Richard Marx, Motley Crue, I mean, everybody has this sort

674
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,039
of here we are out on the road making a video.

675
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,000
It kind of became a staple for the eighties.

676
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: I got to say that that bon Jovis Wanted It

677
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:05,200
or Alive is my favorite of this. I'll take Motley

678
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,640
Crue home, Sweet Home, so journey hated making videos and

679
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:12,279
I can talk because they're not good that they don't

680
00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:13,960
look like they like being there for the most part,

681
00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:17,240
but they couldn't ignore how much of an impact MTV

682
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,440
was having, and MTV loved them because they were a

683
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:23,200
huge favorite with the audience, and as we've mentioned before,

684
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,599
they were really trying to promote that rock format which

685
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,359
was just coming back into style again.

686
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:30,319
Speaker 3: Here's the deal when with Steve Perry's voice, and I

687
00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:32,519
know I keep harping on this, but his voice is

688
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:35,359
made for arena rock. So when you show this song

689
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,519
being played to tens of thousands of people and you

690
00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:40,599
get the feel of being at the concert, I mean

691
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,599
the video really I think helped launch the song. It's

692
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,960
just they go together well and I like the video.

693
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,960
I love the song. If they'd have made this in

694
00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:50,319
tuxedos in a sound stage, it would not have worked

695
00:30:50,319 --> 00:30:50,759
as well.

696
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: Right the road videos are they're classic, they're good too,

697
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:56,279
and it kind of it sounds like this one was

698
00:30:56,279 --> 00:30:57,480
the one that kind of set the stage for that.

699
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,000
You know. We talked about Jonathan Kane being a devout Christian,

700
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,640
he had actually wanted to be a priest, went to

701
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,599
the Lady of the Angels School in Chicago about this, Yeah, no,

702
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:09,480
and he actually there was a huge fire there that

703
00:31:09,599 --> 00:31:12,000
killed ninety five people. He survived that, but he stepped

704
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:13,759
away from his faith for a while. And then when

705
00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:18,079
he was going through turmoil with Journey and going through

706
00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:20,799
two failed marriages, he had this epiphany on the road

707
00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:23,160
to Florida and he found himself calling out to God

708
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:26,799
and he joined this church down in Florida. In twenty fifteen,

709
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:30,000
he married the pastor there, Paula White, and twenty sixteen

710
00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:32,400
he released an album of worship music called What God

711
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,279
Wants to Hear. It's a cool story. Yeah, well, and

712
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:37,400
he said, he said, looking back on faithfully, he started

713
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,079
to see it in a different light. And if you

714
00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:41,720
replace the words oh girl with oh God, you've got

715
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:42,759
a Christian song, all right.

716
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:45,519
Speaker 3: So interestingly enough, Jonathan Kane wrote this song about his

717
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:49,359
then wife Tony Kane, this beautiful ballad professing his love

718
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,680
to her, I will stand by you faithfully. They divorced

719
00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:54,359
like shortly after the song was released.

720
00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:56,319
Speaker 2: Yeah it's terrible, which is terrible.

721
00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: And then he's kind of go up there on stage

722
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,599
and play this wonderful song that everybody loves about a

723
00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:04,759
woman that is dumping you. You know, I feel bad

724
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:06,480
for him and it is what a terrible thing to happen,

725
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,720
all right, So that ends side one. Pushed up on

726
00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:11,720
your tape player, Kick out your tape, flip it over.

727
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:13,799
First song on side two is called Edge of the Blade.

728
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,279
Edge of the Blade. To me, this is like the

729
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:19,599
biggest rocker on the album. I would call this heavy

730
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,720
for them. Neil Shown's guitar playing on full display on instrum.

731
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: They're introing side too with a big heavy fist pumping. Yeah,

732
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,880
this is rocking out and it's an isn't angry song?

733
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,039
This isn't angry? Elf step here.

734
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:46,519
Speaker 3: He's not using his love song voice on this one, and.

735
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:49,039
Speaker 2: I can't tell you know, it almost seems to me

736
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,920
like he's singing to some record exec or somebody who's

737
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,680
making money off of it. Doesn't seem like he's singing

738
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,319
to a girl. To me, you know, the contracts and

739
00:32:56,359 --> 00:32:59,119
lawyers and the champagne downtown. You're caught up in the

740
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,400
power and you better see which side of the blade

741
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,640
you're holding. I don't know, man, that's to me, he's

742
00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:06,599
kind of angry at somebody who's taken advantage of their

743
00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:07,319
fame or something.

744
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: This is a head bomber. I really like Nilshawn's guitar

745
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,440
on this one. He's demonstrating what he can really do

746
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:30,559
with the guitar. All right. So the second song on

747
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:40,559
side too is a song called Troubled Child. Okay, to me,

748
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:42,799
this track sounds like it needs to be played on

749
00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:44,920
Miami Vice after Crockett gets somebody killed.

750
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking. I was thinking. Okay, so if

751
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:51,519
Chain Reaction is like the working Out montage, this is

752
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:55,759
the song that plays whenever Rocky is doubting himself. You know,

753
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,759
at some point he's throwing his helmet, his motorcycle helmet

754
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:01,400
at the statue of it. That's the song. This is

755
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,680
the song that should be playing it is. I think

756
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,400
that'd be a great idea if we could just like

757
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,840
re engineer all of the music in the old movies

758
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,000
and just throw in completely different So totally could Yeah, Yeah,

759
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:14,239
that'd be FANTASTICA. So I'm gonna put this on. Two

760
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,360
songs off of Frontiers are gonna go onto Rocky three.

761
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 3: Okay, that sounds like playing.

762
00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:23,119
Speaker 2: This one is. Yes, it's sad and it's sweet, and

763
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:25,559
I knew it complete when I wore a younger man's clothes.

764
00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:28,079
But to me it does again. It doesn't sound quite

765
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:29,840
like Journey. It sounds like the group's trying to sound

766
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:30,320
like Journey.

767
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,559
Speaker 3: Okay, it's got a darker tone, but the chorus is great,

768
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:37,039
and I think the vocals are great. It is very dated, Okay,

769
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,800
it's the synse and the tone sounds. I mean, like

770
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,119
I said, it belongs in Rocky three or Miami Vice.

771
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: It's probably that sound on the tape that you.

772
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, if you skip past this one,

773
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:52,360
I'm worried about the next two on this side.

774
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:55,039
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah. So the next track that we have on

775
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,280
the album is Backtalk.

776
00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:05,519
Speaker 3: Backtalk, heavy drums. I think this sounds similar to Jon

777
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:06,719
Jet's bad reputation.

778
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,079
Speaker 2: So this is the song that I play when I

779
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:16,400
get home from work every day, not for me, but

780
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,559
for my kid. Right, no bit of right. I worn't

781
00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:22,920
all day, Megan A. Liven, No one needs your kind

782
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,960
of attitude, your sharp tongueece. This is this is another

783
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:30,239
angry song. We got a couple of angry ELF songs

784
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,159
on this one. And this is a guy who's he's

785
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:34,360
had his day and he doesn't want any of the

786
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:36,880
nonsense that he's getting. He walks through the door tonight.

787
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,679
Speaker 3: All right, I'm not a fan of this song. This

788
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,360
is just silliness. I mean Neil Showan's guitar solo, I

789
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,199
mean it's pretty good on this song. The drums are

790
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,280
a little bit heavier, you know, Steve Smith gets a

791
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,239
chance to show off a little bit. But for me,

792
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,239
this is a stinker.

793
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 2: I really wish I mean the drums. For me, the

794
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,559
drums on this one. I'm thinking to myself, these could

795
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:58,000
be good drums if we had a better recording, like

796
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:00,440
if Mutt Lang were there and had the perfect sampling

797
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,800
of drums or something. I don't know, but that he's

798
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,320
hitting him hard. But the recording on this is just

799
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,760
not good for the sound of the drums.

800
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to bash it. It just

801
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,800
lacks heart, But I do want to make mention. Okay,

802
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,559
Troubled Child is the one we listened to previously. This

803
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:15,440
is the one that belongs in Miami Vice in my opinion.

804
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:17,760
Then we have backtalk which we both agree. You know,

805
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,000
not that great, right, Doggy? Are those because those were

806
00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:24,679
last second additions to Frontiers? Okay, and the songs that

807
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,840
they replaced. I want to talk about here once we

808
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:27,760
get to the end of this tape.

809
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: It sounds good. Yeah, let's do that.

810
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 3: All right. So the fourth track on side too is

811
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,920
a song called Frontiers.

812
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: We Thank You. This is I mean, this song really

813
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,880
had the potential, I think to be a big hit

814
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,280
for a Journey. I mean, it's got that, it's got

815
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:57,039
that solid lead, it's got Steve doing his great voice.

816
00:36:57,639 --> 00:36:59,480
The only problem I think is that I have no

817
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,480
idea what he's talking about. I can't understand what he's saying.

818
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 3: It's funny that you say that to me. This is

819
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,079
my least favorite song on the entire album. There's no

820
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:09,239
real course, there's nothing to scene with on this one.

821
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,679
It gives the album a good title, but it's my

822
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,119
least favorite track on the entire album.

823
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:15,559
Speaker 2: This is your least favorite track on the whole album. Yeah,

824
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:19,000
you like this less than Edge of the Blade and

825
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:20,840
less than back Talk?

826
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 3: Yes?

827
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,199
Speaker 2: Wow? Yeah, Now we're on different pages on this one,

828
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,719
my friend, we're on the same page as far as

829
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,480
there's a problem because you don't have anything to sing

830
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:28,960
along with her. And that is the difference that this

831
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:31,440
that makes this song not a big hit, had you

832
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:34,880
had a something that is understandable and sing alongable. The

833
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,840
rest of this song is great. The melody is great,

834
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:37,719
the instruments are great.

835
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,199
Speaker 3: That's why I listen to Journey. I want to sing

836
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:40,360
along with Steve Perry, you.

837
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: Know, I guess, but but I mean, even if I

838
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,400
get yeah, yeah, I'd pick listening to this song one

839
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,519
hundred thousand times over either one of those last two.

840
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 3: Okay, So that brings us to the last song on

841
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:58,400
the tape, song called Rubicon. Rubicon, in my opinion, is

842
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,360
the best song on site too, and it's not even close.

843
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:11,119
Speaker 2: Well, okay, I don't dislike the song. I mean it's

844
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,000
it's all right. I guess side too is just not

845
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:15,599
a really a very good side. Honestly, this song's okay.

846
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,320
I can't say that it blows me away. I like

847
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,360
the guitar as it comes in. The melody for the

848
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,880
verse is kind of humdrum for me. The chorus is solid,

849
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,400
and it's got this junglesque kind of feel. I don't

850
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,280
know why I said that word. It's just got this.

851
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,760
It's got this. It has an eye of the tiger.

852
00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:37,360
Not the song, but just kind of the attitude feel

853
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,440
about it, I guess. But this to me, again, it's

854
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,199
one that doesn't stand the test of time. It's still

855
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,159
gonna be one of those ones that I go, Okay,

856
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,840
this is a generic eighty song. You know, we're just

857
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,119
picking generic eighty songs.

858
00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:50,519
Speaker 3: Okay, okay. In my opinion, I think this could have

859
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:52,360
been a successful single. I think it's every bit as

860
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,320
good as After the Fall. For instance, crossing the rubicon

861
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,760
means to make an irreversible decisions, kind of like burning

862
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,000
the ships. I like it.

863
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: This song is good.

864
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 3: This is a foot tapper for me. Put a cool

865
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,559
video with it. I think it's everybody as good as

866
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:05,119
After the Fall.

867
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 2: So you mentioned that the two songs that we find

868
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,119
the least favorite on the album were last minute throw ins,

869
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,840
and they actually ended up replacing something else.

870
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 3: Right, Troubled Child and backtok were last minute additions. This,

871
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,719
to me is the most interesting story regarding this album.

872
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,440
This was a huge success. I mean, this sold six

873
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,480
million albums in the US right charted as high as

874
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:33,079
number two on Billboard. But they put in two crappy

875
00:39:33,159 --> 00:39:36,199
songs and took out two potentially I mean huge songs.

876
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,719
They removed at the last second. They took out a

877
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:48,079
song called only the Young Yes, and they took out

878
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:50,440
a song called Ask the Lonely. Both of these were

879
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,119
top ten hits down the road that.

880
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,599
Speaker 2: Right, And maybe who knows, maybe they maybe that was

881
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:02,679
their thought. Maybe they're like, there's too many good songs

882
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,000
on this one when I don't know that we're going

883
00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:05,719
to have a hit on the next album, Let's save

884
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,079
these to be hits. You think.

885
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,159
Speaker 3: I think that that is a legitimate theory. Yes, we know,

886
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:13,119
we've got faithfully, we've got separate ways, we've got chain reaction.

887
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:15,800
Why would we try to make thriller when we can

888
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,719
stretch this thing out and make more money. I think

889
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,679
that's a legitimate idea. But only the Young you may

890
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:22,559
recognize it's it's on the soundtrack for Vision Quest. Yeah,

891
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,039
I had the soundtrack for Vision Quest. I love this song.

892
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:26,480
It is a fantastic song.

893
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:29,679
Speaker 2: So at some point, the band gets this letter from

894
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,840
a mother who's frantic. In her letter and she explains

895
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,639
that her little boy, Kenny loves the band. He loves

896
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,440
loves the band. All he wants to do all day

897
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,719
is listen to the band, and he's dying. He is

898
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,280
dying of cystic fibrosis, which is a terrible lung condition

899
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,960
makes it difficult to breathe, but like hearing Journey play

900
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,840
gives him light in his life. And she writes the

901
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,480
band to say, he doesn't have much longer and it

902
00:40:56,519 --> 00:40:58,920
would mean the world to him if you guys would

903
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,480
come to see him. They read this letter and they

904
00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:06,519
said let's go. Let's go right now, and so they

905
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:09,800
go and he's I mean, he's in his hospital bed

906
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,400
and they come in and his eyes light up and

907
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,719
his breathing improves, and he feels, you know, he's just

908
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,760
he's ecstatic at being able to meet these guys who

909
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,199
were his heroes, and it's like the pain goes away

910
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:26,800
for a little while. And then as it happens, they

911
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,880
happen to have a tape with only the young on

912
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:33,599
the tape and no one else other than the band

913
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,400
has heard this song yet right nobody's heard it. They

914
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,639
haven't released it didn't come out on Frontier. It's Vision

915
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,320
Quest isn't out yet. This is going to be this

916
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,079
is an up and coming and so they're like, would

917
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:44,840
you like to hear the song that we that were

918
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,039
going to release next, you know, on our next album.

919
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,719
He's like, oh, that'd be great, and they put the

920
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,599
headphones on him. And the way that Jonathan Kane describes it,

921
00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:55,039
it's like it looks like he has gone to heaven

922
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,440
and twenty four hours later he went to heaven for real.

923
00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:03,599
It a momentous and life changing moment for every member

924
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:04,039
of the band.

925
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:06,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Jonathan kan when they asked him about this,

926
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,719
I mean he breaks down and not just not just

927
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,760
wipes tears, but is broken over this event. It's incredibly touching.

928
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,519
But the song has an interesting history. They actually sold

929
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:17,639
it to the band's Scandal, which it was on their

930
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:20,559
Warrior album in nineteen eighty four, which really yeah and

931
00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:23,960
has Patty Smythe who I think has a one of

932
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,159
the best female rock voices of the eighties. Check it

933
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:39,920
out all right, So Only the Young would become a

934
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,440
top ten hit in nineteen eighty five. The other song

935
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,440
that was left off is a song called ass the Lonely.

936
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:48,800
This song was left off at Frontiers and placed on

937
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,599
the Twist of Fate soundtrack. Twist of Fate was a

938
00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:54,760
movie that starred John Travolta and Olivia Newton. John remember that.

939
00:42:54,719 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 2: One, No, did you say grease because I thought you

940
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:01,559
said something else.

941
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:05,519
Speaker 3: The song is grease lighting. No, I'm just kidding, but

942
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:07,639
this would become a hit from that soundtrack as well.

943
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,599
So so you have two vastly better songs. Ask the

944
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:13,320
Lonely and Only the Young left off of Frontiers and

945
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,480
replaced with Troubled Child, which used a term they're stinkers.

946
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:19,079
Speaker 2: These are stinkers.

947
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:22,679
Speaker 3: They're stickers. But for the sake of this argument, we've

948
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:26,119
got to leave only the Young and Ask the Lonely off. Okay,

949
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,000
they don't count.

950
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 2: Nope, we're talking about the albums that came out in

951
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,920
nineteen eighty three and not the re issues that came

952
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,840
out in two thousand and six. We got to compare

953
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:34,199
apples to apples here.

954
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:37,199
Speaker 3: Right, yes, all right, so are we ready to get

955
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:37,639
down to it.

956
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 2: Let's do this. It is nut cutting time, if you will,

957
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:49,960
think about Stuart Copeland's shorts, and that's what time. I

958
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,719
can remember coming over to your house for a run

959
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,719
one day, and I had the shorts that were like

960
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,480
a little the shorts are really usually wore, and your

961
00:43:56,519 --> 00:44:01,480
wife went, we call those nutcutters. Here. We got to decide,

962
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:04,320
you know, looking at these two I'll go ahead, I'll

963
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,400
go out there, all right. So let's just let's let's

964
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,519
start with Frontiers. We've just to do a quick track listing.

965
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:11,800
We've got Separate Ways, Send Her My Love, Chain Reaction

966
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,559
After the Fall, Faithfully, Edge of the Blade, Troubled Child,

967
00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:19,400
Back Talk, Frontiers, and Rubicon. To me, I'm really only

968
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,199
excited about the songs that have lasting value on this,

969
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,119
which are Separate Ways, Send Her My Love and Faithfully.

970
00:44:26,159 --> 00:44:28,079
I mean, the other songs are all right, and I'm

971
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:30,320
okay to listen to them, but it's not like I

972
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,079
turn them up when the radio would play them if

973
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:35,320
the radio still played them, which it doesn't. So really three,

974
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,599
I'm looking at three songs here, Separate Ways, cent Her

975
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:42,239
My Love, Faithfully, whereas I enjoy the other songs and

976
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:44,760
don't enjoy a couple of them at all. Only three

977
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,840
songs doesn't make this a strong enough album for me. Now,

978
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:51,760
I will say Separate Ways is the best song by

979
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,679
the definitive early eighties rock band, and so that has

980
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,079
a lot of clout with it. I mean that weighs

981
00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:00,519
heavy on the scales for me. But overall, when I

982
00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:04,800
then look at synchronicity, I mean you have got several,

983
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,239
so it's kind of like it's kind of like, you know,

984
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,920
separate ways weighs heavy as almost as much as Mother

985
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:16,960
weighs against ony, right right, Okay, So then on synchronicity,

986
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:22,039
you have Synchronicity one, Walking in your Footsteps, OMG, Mother,

987
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,320
Missus Grindenko, Synchronicity two, Every Breath you Take, King of Pain,

988
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,360
Wrapped Around your Finger, t in the Sahara, and Murder

989
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,000
by Numbers. Okay, so one of those songs is definitive

990
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,079
for the band, and that is Every Breath You Take,

991
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,679
and it's the most played song on the radio. In

992
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,960
addition to that, you've got King of Pain, You've got

993
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,119
Wrapped around your Finger, and you've got Synchronicity two. All

994
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:47,519
of those are mind blowing hits. And I really enjoy

995
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:51,199
Synchronicity one, and I really really enjoy Murder by Numbers,

996
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,320
and I dig Tea in the Sahara. I won't skip

997
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,079
past tea in the Sahara. Walking in Your Footsteps is

998
00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:59,159
one of those acquired tastes OMG and Mother. I'm gonna

999
00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:02,719
fast forward through them probably every time. Miss Grindenko. It

1000
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,320
just depends on the mood of the man. But overall,

1001
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:10,079
Synchronicity is a better album. It's got more, it's got again,

1002
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:13,320
a monstrous hit. You got monstrous hit on Frontiers, but

1003
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,199
it's not enough to save the totality of the album

1004
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:17,559
in my opinion, What are your thoughts?

1005
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 3: Sadly you've stolen my thunder. But here's the deal.

1006
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, can I say this? Can I say that

1007
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,559
when we started this out, well, the way this conversation began,

1008
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,960
you were going year by year and You're like, here

1009
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,880
are the bands that I didn't like, and when you

1010
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,119
hit eighty three, you put the Police and I went

1011
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,199
what And that's how this that's how this podcast became

1012
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:40,199
a thank so go ahead, go.

1013
00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 3: Ahead and talk about that. Okay. Yeah, So when we

1014
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,280
started this podcast the first time, and like we said,

1015
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,119
we had not had a prior relationship really with either

1016
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:50,840
of these two albums, I would call myself a journey

1017
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,239
greatest Hits type of guy. Right, give me the greatest

1018
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,719
Hits album. I'll listen to Awesome, I had it, I

1019
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,320
owned it, Police, I the Police. I had never really

1020
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,800
had an album by them, Okay. I was familiar with

1021
00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:03,000
their hits, but never really fell in love with them.

1022
00:47:03,199 --> 00:47:05,920
They seemed a more mature band that was somebody my

1023
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,239
mom or my uncle might listen to. Okay, So when

1024
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,400
we started this, I listened to the first four songs

1025
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,480
of Synchronicity. I texted you, and I'm like, this is

1026
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:15,719
a landslide for Journey.

1027
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,559
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, I did.

1028
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,039
Speaker 3: And I fully I thought, Man, what are we even

1029
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:22,199
wasting our time thinking about debates on this? But I

1030
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,320
listened to Synchronicity too. Then every breath you take, king

1031
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,960
of pain wrapped around your finger. You know, I'm not

1032
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,519
big on ten the Sahara, but Murdered by Numbers is

1033
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:36,480
fun and interesting and sophisticated. Those are mammoth songs. And

1034
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:38,960
when I look at Frontiers, if you have only the

1035
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:41,880
young and you have asked the lonely in there instead

1036
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,880
of backtalk, we've got a discussion.

1037
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:44,599
Speaker 2: But I'm with you.

1038
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,199
Speaker 3: Separate Ways and Faithfully are mind blowing songs. Chain Reaction

1039
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,599
I think is good. I even like Trouble.

1040
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:51,039
Speaker 2: Child a little bit.

1041
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 3: I like Rubicon a little bit, but everything else is

1042
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,400
just kind of filler. So very surprisingly, I am going

1043
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,280
to say Synchronicity is the better album.

1044
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: Cow I'm doing my little happy dance right now. Yes,

1045
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,760
I'm my mind is blown. I'm just like, what what what?

1046
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 3: I'm surprised to hear myself say that.

1047
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 2: I really I can't believe it, Like I I, this

1048
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,880
is must this must have been how you felt when

1049
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,599
I picked Pyromania over Hysteriaiz, even though you still pick

1050
00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:19,519
Hysteria over Pyromania. It just the idea that that that

1051
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,960
taking the time with both of these albums that you've

1052
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,960
you went from. I don't like these guys too. They

1053
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,119
have the better album than the guys that I loved

1054
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:30,119
at the time. That's that's amazing. That's that's awesome. Man,

1055
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:30,599
that's great.

1056
00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:32,119
Speaker 3: I think I think I texted you about a week

1057
00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:34,679
ago and I said, Synchronicity's got it sucks in me.

1058
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I missed that one, because yeah, you

1059
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,280
texted me today and You're like, do you know which

1060
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:39,760
one you're picking? And I'm like, yeah, of course I do.

1061
00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:41,880
I mean, and and you had me convinced. You sent

1062
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,440
me that Landslide text and I called or texted back

1063
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,159
and I said, I don't know. After listening to the

1064
00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:48,199
first four songs, I don't know that I can argue

1065
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,519
for Synchronicity. But once you hit Synchronicity two, it's a

1066
00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:54,280
clear winner. And then again I went back just it

1067
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,000
just takes it a little bit of time with some

1068
00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:57,719
of those other songs, and you're like, no, these are

1069
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,679
actually good too. Synchronicity one is a real good song.

1070
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,639
Speaker 3: One of the things that kind of helped me make

1071
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:05,480
my final decision is today I was listening to Frontiers

1072
00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:09,400
in my car and I wanted to switch to Synchronousity Nice.

1073
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: So it's nice.

1074
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,519
Speaker 3: I mean, how can you really argue with that? I mean,

1075
00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:14,559
that's that's what my heart wanted to do.

1076
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:19,199
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, wow, Well that's fantastic. I cannot wait

1077
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,199
to hear what you are listeners think about these decisions

1078
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,440
and your opinions on it. Where do you put it?

1079
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,000
Does Frontiers hold up for you? Do you think we're

1080
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:31,000
crazy on picking the police? Please check with us on Facebook,

1081
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,440
tweet us on Twitter that you can reach us at

1082
00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:37,639
Shirley Podcast on both of those formats, or email lists,

1083
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:40,159
so you can email us at Shirley Podcast at gmail

1084
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:41,800
dot com. But we'd love to hear what you think

1085
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:42,119
as well.

1086
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 3: I have had a fantastic time getting to know these albums,

1087
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,360
and I'm having a blast doing this I hope you

1088
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,639
guys are having fun listening to us. Send us some

1089
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:50,679
suggestions that you think would be good matchups. We'd love

1090
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:50,960
to have that.

1091
00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:53,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, we've gotten We've had quite a few folks

1092
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,119
sending ideas and some of them, some of them were like, Yep,

1093
00:49:57,159 --> 00:49:59,079
that's right, that's what we need to do. Yep, yep.

1094
00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 3: D appreciate you, ma, yeah.

1095
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 2: Youtuboe man, it's been great. We'll look forward to the

1096
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:02,800
next one.

1097
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,119
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll talk to you later.

1098
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 2: All music images and movie clips are used for the

1099
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,280
purposes of commentary and education in conjunction with the Fair

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Use Agreement under the US copyright law.