Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
Speaker 3: I'll think what.
Speaker 1: A Welcome to the Occult Rejects on this episode, I've
Speaker 1: got a very special guest and some very special co hosts.
Speaker 1: I've got Cody the Feast Tag Productions, and we're talking
Speaker 1: the Oracle of Delphi. But first let's go around the
Speaker 1: room and have everybody else introduce themselves and tell them
Speaker 1: what they're talking about, and then we'll go to you. Cody, Nick,
Speaker 1: go ahead, start us off.
Speaker 2: What is up?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Nick, the Occult Rejects, Bitch You Rumble YouTube. Obviously it's
Speaker 4: on YouTube now and all major podcast Thank you very
Speaker 4: much for in writing me on. I look forward to
Speaker 4: this conversation for sure.
Speaker 1: Absolutely airs up. Tell them me they can.
Speaker 3: You can find me at YouTube at Arrows Up, and
Speaker 3: you can find me on Twitter at Arrows to Eat those.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Awesome. And we've got a Alchemy Mondays which I'm
Speaker 1: going to be doing from Oklahoma next week, so it's
Speaker 1: gonna be kind of interesting. So we do that show together,
Speaker 1: and Cody go ahead and tell them where they can
Speaker 1: find you and tell them how they can follow you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I so I'm at Easton Outpost everywhere. I've got a
Speaker 2: website at Eastonoutpost dot com, which isn't live yet, but
Speaker 2: I mean I'm literally at Easton Outpost everywhere, so on, X, YouTube, Rumble, Instagram,
Speaker 2: all the places. Some of them are more fleshed out
Speaker 2: than others, but YouTube and X find me there for
Speaker 2: sure at the Easton Outpost.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Now, how would you describe your channel? Because I've
Speaker 1: been watching your videos and they're just like right to
Speaker 1: the point. They get right on that topic and then
Speaker 1: ride it right.
Speaker 2: Well, I yeah, I'm a I'm a storyteller. I think
Speaker 2: first and forem. I try and find topics that excite
Speaker 2: me personally, because you know people are going to enjoy
Speaker 2: that more you read of it, all that stuff, So
Speaker 2: I dabble with quite a bit of stuff, from esoteric
Speaker 2: to the ancient past, occult stuff. I'm kind of all
Speaker 2: over the place whatever I'm feeling at the moment. But
Speaker 2: I recently covered the Oracle of Delphi, the twenty seven
Speaker 2: Club and Robert Johnson and his involvement with all that
Speaker 2: selling us soul to the devil, and before that, the
Speaker 2: legend is Sleepy Hollow. So I've kind of been all
Speaker 2: over the place lately.
Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome. Yeah, I saw that Oracle at Delphi video
Speaker 1: and I'm like, let's get him on. We're talking about it.
Speaker 1: Any excuse I have to talk about Absolutely, any excuse
Speaker 1: I have to talk about Hellenism, I'm always there. So
Speaker 1: what do you think the first thing that really attracted
Speaker 1: you to covering something like the Oracle at Delphi?
Speaker 2: Well, mysticism in general fascinates me. I talk to a
Speaker 2: number of people that are incredibly psychically intuitive, and I'm
Speaker 2: definitely a big believer in you know, people's. Everybody has
Speaker 2: that ability to some degree. Like I said in the video,
Speaker 2: We've all been like, oh, man, you know, I'm thinking
Speaker 2: about so and so, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: your phone lights up and they're calling you, or you're
Speaker 2: walking to your car and you've got a song in
Speaker 2: your head and then you get in the car and
Speaker 2: the exact song you're thinking of is on the radio.
Speaker 2: We've all experienced those psychic synchronosities, and then some people
Speaker 2: can actually you know, tap into that, follow those patterns
Speaker 2: more and tune that in. So that's kind of been
Speaker 2: a pattern in my life lately that I've been following
Speaker 2: personally and watching other people follow So the Oracle of
Speaker 2: Delphi video just seem like it fit perfectly.
Speaker 1: Very good. Yeah, I personally think that there's so much
Speaker 1: we can learn from the mystics of the past and
Speaker 1: how they influenced society, and the oracle was one of
Speaker 1: these places that had this huge influence that people really
Speaker 1: don't see today.
Speaker 2: No, no, it was unprecedented then and now, even with
Speaker 2: the exception of the Emperor the king. I mean, it
Speaker 2: lasted hundreds of years and as their political dynamics fluctuated,
Speaker 2: the one thing that didn't fluctuate was really the second
Speaker 2: seat of prominence was the oracle seat. No matter who
Speaker 2: the ruling party was at the time, they went and
Speaker 2: consulted the Pythia. So it it was a power and
Speaker 2: an influence in a sway that really, I would say,
Speaker 2: you only see and not even to the same degree,
Speaker 2: but mirrored somewhat in Maria or Sick and how much
Speaker 2: she would inform the Third REICHX, you know, investigations and dapolins.
Speaker 1: Roder Reagan had an astrologer that was insisted on by
Speaker 1: his wife as well, so there's sort of a mystical bend.
Speaker 1: Lincoln governments. Yeah, he had fances, yes, in the White House.
Speaker 1: So there's a there's an undertone of mysticism that I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people have sort of lost track of.
Speaker 1: They think everything's just purely physical, but really I think
Speaker 1: it's a starting point, right. So for instance, so Philip
Speaker 1: of Macedon went to the oracle at Delphi and he
Speaker 1: was given his oracle, which he thought meant one thing,
Speaker 1: but it met something completely different. Now, what he got
Speaker 1: was the king or the the bullet is crowned and
Speaker 1: ready for slaughter. So in his mind right, because one
Speaker 1: of the main things that the oracle at Delphi is
Speaker 1: know thyself, and you have to know yourself and where
Speaker 1: you stand in the world for these oracles to make
Speaker 1: full sense to you. So the oracle he got was
Speaker 1: the bullets crowned and ready for slaughter. He thought that
Speaker 1: meant Persia. He thought Persia was the bull. Well two
Speaker 1: days later he found out the hard way he was
Speaker 1: the bull. He got murked on stage in front of everybody,
Speaker 1: and this actually started the rise of Alexander the Great.
Speaker 1: So from that point it was a shift from the
Speaker 1: father over to the son, and they found I think
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen they found his body. Oh andy, it
Speaker 1: was his because he had a spear inside of his
Speaker 1: leg and they had talked about that in the histories,
Speaker 1: about how Philip the mass and I got speared in
Speaker 1: the leg. So it's pretty interesting. They still found Alexander, though.
Speaker 2: They looked on a lot of very important and prominent
Speaker 2: people and I don't know how we just we don't
Speaker 2: know where they're at, right.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's a it's a common thread. The
Speaker 1: more precious and otherworldly these characters are and history like,
Speaker 1: especially with the giant bones and things like that, the
Speaker 1: more irresponsibly they're treated. You know, think about Einstein's brain
Speaker 1: for instance, Right, they chopped that up and set it
Speaker 1: all over the place. But it seems like the more
Speaker 1: special the artifact, the worst people treat them.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's there's also an intentional They use
Speaker 2: it to kind of muddy the waters, right, like the
Speaker 2: conspiracy theorist label is used to just soften the conversation
Speaker 2: and get people to look the other way. If they
Speaker 2: can mystify something, right, they can they can claim that
Speaker 2: I it's just legend, it was just them romanticizing. They
Speaker 2: can they can suck the true and incredible power that
Speaker 2: these people had, and whether it was mystical power or not,
Speaker 2: it became that wardless, right. I mean, they these people
Speaker 2: inspired nations, great armies, great moments that tilted history permanently.
Speaker 2: That's mystical magical regard, you know, even if they did
Speaker 2: it with no magical powers whatsoever, the end result is
Speaker 2: pure magic. And they they these these people accomplish something
Speaker 2: that very few characters in history get to accomplish. So
Speaker 2: if they can mystify those characters and make them out
Speaker 2: to be just that, just just characters and not people,
Speaker 2: it removes the possibility for the rest of us, right,
Speaker 2: It eliminates the actuality and makes it just romanticization. And
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, subconsciously, is then humbling all
Speaker 2: of us as a species. We can't we can't rise
Speaker 2: to these heights, We can't perform these amazing feats. These
Speaker 2: are just fantasies, men's of legend. No, they and the
Speaker 2: feats they performed were extraordinary.
Speaker 1: Right, And that was one of the special things about
Speaker 1: the oracle. As well as everybody was allowed to go there,
Speaker 1: everybody was allowed to read their oracle, and so it
Speaker 1: wasn't just things. It wasn't just these emperors. It wasn't
Speaker 1: just these high figures. Everybody could be there, and it
Speaker 1: was you know, access to this sort of mystical understanding
Speaker 1: for everybody. In fact, out front of the oracle, they
Speaker 1: would have these beans that they would paint white and black,
Speaker 1: and so you would ask a question, reach into the
Speaker 1: bag and pull out a bean, and based off of
Speaker 1: whether it was white or black, you'd get a yes
Speaker 1: or no. So they had sort of a whole mystical
Speaker 1: practice going on there, and there were actually wars fought
Speaker 1: over this place as well. They had the Five Sacred
Speaker 1: Wars where you had this tribe that was acting as
Speaker 1: a proxy for Athens near there, seize hold of the
Speaker 1: oracle and start funneling all of the money into their
Speaker 1: own pockets, right and you know, shaking down all the
Speaker 1: pilgrim going to the site. Philip amasadon specifically, he said,
Speaker 1: now that's not going to happen. So he actually waged
Speaker 1: war against them, ended democracy in Athens. And then once
Speaker 1: they actually used Apollo as a symbol where they're fighting battle,
Speaker 1: so he had all of the troops put on the
Speaker 1: wreath as they went into battle as a symbol for
Speaker 1: you know, you're not going to fuck around with Apollo
Speaker 1: anymore because he was the god of Delphi.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's and you touched on something that was actually,
Speaker 2: as far as I know, completely unique throughout the old world.
Speaker 2: The oracle at Delphi was the only mystic everybody could
Speaker 2: go to anywhere, as far as I'm aware, South America,
Speaker 2: North America, all throughout the ancient world, connection to divinity
Speaker 2: was regulated to either the shaman class or or the
Speaker 2: ruling class. And it really, as far as I'm aware,
Speaker 2: was only Delphi where everybody could come and be on
Speaker 2: equal footing with the oracle. So that in and of
Speaker 2: itself is a pretty special characteristic of it.
Speaker 1: Did you guys have any questions? Well, I think what's
Speaker 1: interesting too is the expression of philosophy there as well.
Speaker 1: So all of these characters in Greek mythology and their
Speaker 1: pantheon were transferred over into other symbols, into other aspects
Speaker 1: of life. They became sort of like a memory palace.
Speaker 1: So anything that was associated with Apollo got called Apollo,
Speaker 1: and anything associated with these other gods or goddesses they
Speaker 1: got called that too. So you had the snake, which
Speaker 1: is one of the primary symbols at Delphi that that
Speaker 1: was the serpent that Apollo slave, right, and then you
Speaker 1: also have the omfullest the navel of the world, like
Speaker 1: this was where Zeus sent out his two eagles to
Speaker 1: encircle the planet, and then where they crossed over again
Speaker 1: that was supposedly the navel, that was the place that
Speaker 1: was going to rule everything else. So the Omfulest Stone
Speaker 1: was something that I found kind of interesting too, and
Speaker 1: you were mentioning that in your video.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And something I actually didn't know is for a
Speaker 2: pretty damn long amount of time, like two hundred some years,
Speaker 2: historians actually discredited the accounts of the past and propagated
Speaker 2: that all of it was completely romanticized. There wasn't fissures
Speaker 2: in the ground, there wasn't vapors that were emitted from
Speaker 2: the earth, and it was literally that way until the
Speaker 2: early two thousands. I had no idea. That's horrible though,
Speaker 2: Like that's hundreds of years of accounts from people just
Speaker 2: thrown out the window by you know, semi modern academia,
Speaker 2: which it's pretty wild to me.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it uh, it's the last person to do that, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well it's I mean it literally the early two
Speaker 2: thousands is when it was like finally confirmed that like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, there were these vapors and they would have
Speaker 2: produced you know, some llucinogenic qualities. So it's the whole
Speaker 2: lore of Delphi is still actively unfolding and being confirmed.
Speaker 2: And I think that as people kind of awake to
Speaker 2: that latent mysticism that I think is in most people,
Speaker 2: we want to be curious, right, we want to be mystified.
Speaker 2: We want to think that things are magical. Uh, that's
Speaker 2: our human inclination. We were gifted with imagination from source
Speaker 2: for a reason. So I my motto is literally stay
Speaker 2: curious because that that, to me is one of the
Speaker 2: most important things we can do as a human. Curiosity
Speaker 2: leads to all manner of things. So it's it's something
Speaker 2: that I think as people kind of awake to that
Speaker 2: latent desire to find source to be involved in, you know,
Speaker 2: what's considered like the woo stuff. Now more interest will
Speaker 2: be put on places like Delphi, and I think in
Speaker 2: the years to come, we're going to see a lot
Speaker 2: more come out of there and be confirmed digs around
Speaker 2: it that'll you know, find amazing revelations. So I hope
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff comes out of it the next
Speaker 2: few years.
Speaker 1: Well, one thing that's interesting is the last oracle at Delphi,
Speaker 1: the last time they did it back of the four
Speaker 1: hundreds AD. They were talking about mid fourth century. According
Speaker 1: to historical accounts, Julian set his physic physicians and at
Speaker 1: Delphi in an attempt to revive the oracle. Right, so
Speaker 1: this was mid fourth century, around three to sixty three.
Speaker 1: Some sources say that the prophecy was about the drawing
Speaker 1: up of the waters at Delphi, right, But you know,
Speaker 1: it was heavily influenced at that time by you know,
Speaker 1: Christian preachers and bishops. So they were kind of trying
Speaker 1: to get it to shut down, and the best way
Speaker 1: they thought they could do that is by having an
Speaker 1: oracle that that oracle has always been false. They've always
Speaker 1: had streams running at this place at Delphi, and there's
Speaker 1: never not been a time when it hasn't been flowing.
Speaker 1: So in essence, you can kind of see a parallel
Speaker 1: between what you're talking about, like, oh, these Greeks are
Speaker 1: just a bunch of liars. They don't you know, they're
Speaker 1: making stuff up in all these histories that they have.
Speaker 1: But then it turns out, no, they were right, you know,
Speaker 1: especially about Troy. You know, they said, oh, this this
Speaker 1: Trojan battle, it has to be mythology. There couldn't be
Speaker 1: a place called Troy. And then they find it back
Speaker 1: of the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Julian, the Julian that tried to keep paganism alive.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's him, Julian Depastate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's ah.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: I I think it's interesting though, because like the control state, right,
Speaker 2: it's whatever the control state is of the time, which
Speaker 2: up until really the eighteen hundreds, the control state was
Speaker 2: the church. So at that point it then shifted to academia.
Speaker 2: Academics became the new widespread religion, right, So, and I
Speaker 2: still we were on that trend where academia is the
Speaker 2: authoritative state. Like, you know, think about anything we've seen
Speaker 2: go on in the country over the last couple of years,
Speaker 2: who are they attorney to, Oh, well the professionals, the
Speaker 2: academics say, so, it's that is the current control state,
Speaker 2: right is academia. So when we talk about, you know,
Speaker 2: things like demystifying these places, it was the church's job.
Speaker 2: And then when the church started losing control and in
Speaker 2: fluence to higher education, well then it became they were
Speaker 2: the custodian of slapping down anything too mystical or incredible.
Speaker 2: So I think it really kind of boils down to that,
Speaker 2: and whoever the most active control state player in.
Speaker 1: The game is well, from an informational standpoint, if you
Speaker 1: think about everyone having access to a place that can
Speaker 1: reveal all secrets, that's a completely different form of government
Speaker 1: than you would have with what we have today, which
Speaker 1: is nothing but secrets. And they'll lie to your face, Glacaus.
Speaker 1: They know that you don't have access to verifiable information.
Speaker 1: So from that informational level, it was a very different
Speaker 1: form of government than what we think of today because
Speaker 1: according to them, you know, whether you believe in the
Speaker 1: oracle or not, the oracle could see beyond any veil,
Speaker 1: So anything you're trying to cover up probably not going
Speaker 1: to play out too well if the oracle could see
Speaker 1: through it well.
Speaker 2: And I wonder what the internal dynamics of that was like,
Speaker 2: because if you had the Kingship actively believing genuinely in
Speaker 2: the power of power of the Oracle, that would change
Speaker 2: the manner in which they present themselves and live and
Speaker 2: all of that stuff they would have to because they
Speaker 2: would be believing that somebody was going to see through them,
Speaker 2: or the flip side of that is it was always
Speaker 2: a control medium and they actively used it and put
Speaker 2: people on the seat who they could use and puppeteer
Speaker 2: as a tool, and you know which it is. With
Speaker 2: the benefit of hindsight, it seems like the oracle did
Speaker 2: did have something going on there, But at the time,
Speaker 2: I wonder how they viewed that dynamic.
Speaker 1: Well, I do see a parallel because Athens was the
Speaker 1: one democracy in the entire region, and they're the ones
Speaker 1: who paid a proxy army to go to war with
Speaker 1: Delphi to kind of shut it down and control all
Speaker 1: of the people coming and going from there. And if
Speaker 1: you look at what America is doing today, we've got
Speaker 1: proxy armies all over the world trying to shut stuff down.
Speaker 1: So if it could be a more of a democracy
Speaker 1: thing than a loyalty thing, because in essence, all loyals
Speaker 1: back then had to be all of these bloodlines of
Speaker 1: the heroes, right So well, yeah, but they don't talk
Speaker 1: about that so much that the covert history, right Well.
Speaker 2: It's a yeah, And I that's a good point because
Speaker 2: I do think you know, with that tie to divinity
Speaker 2: that most of them had back then and readily touted.
Speaker 2: There would have had to have been a dynamic of
Speaker 2: them having to present their truest self to the oracle,
Speaker 2: and that would have been a fascinating thing to be
Speaker 2: a fly on the wall, for.
Speaker 1: It's in a lot of ways kind of an initiation.
Speaker 1: You're showing your preparedness to lead by going before the
Speaker 1: oracle and basically being the Emperor in his new clothes.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's a good good way to put it. I uh,
Speaker 2: you know, the some of the things that I didn't
Speaker 2: know were like how the pythias would actually interact with
Speaker 2: the vapors and stuff, because that's always like I've always
Speaker 2: known the lore to it, but when I actually researched
Speaker 2: it it that was a really unappealing job. So from
Speaker 2: the standpoint of the pythia, you would have to be
Speaker 2: incredibly dedicated to it, Like it wasn't like a nun
Speaker 2: hood type role, because I mean astrict as they live
Speaker 2: their lives. The pythia had it way worse. So there
Speaker 2: would have had to have been, I think you can't
Speaker 2: rationalize any other way, a very very serious internal pool
Speaker 2: and desire and trueness from at least the Pythia's standpoint
Speaker 2: to be able to rationalize all of the horrible shit
Speaker 2: that they dealt with as a result of being the pythia.
Speaker 1: Right, and they did change some of the requirements between ages, right,
Speaker 1: and you had early on they had to be these
Speaker 1: young women, right, very very young, and then later on
Speaker 1: they just said just has to be a virgin, you
Speaker 1: can't have a child thirty.
Speaker 2: Well, specifically I had to be thirty or later after
Speaker 2: I think the sixth sixth century, maybe it was pretty
Speaker 2: early on, but specifically it did become thirty after a
Speaker 2: series of pregnant pithias and kidnapped pithias and assaulted pythias.
Speaker 2: They were like, ah, this isn't this isn't working out good.
Speaker 2: So it was then a virgin, which just meant no
Speaker 2: birth and over thirty. But like the tests it would
Speaker 2: do for that were also like terribly humiliating. So I
Speaker 2: you would have had been like very serious about your
Speaker 2: desire to be the psychic oracle to get this job,
Speaker 2: because absolutely nothing was for them as best as I
Speaker 2: can tell.
Speaker 3: And wasn't it other oracles that picked these the new
Speaker 3: ones out?
Speaker 2: Yes and no? So the priesthood had like the first pick,
Speaker 2: and they would do like the narrowing down, and then
Speaker 2: there were a number of like physical tests that they
Speaker 2: would have to endure, and so like those would weed
Speaker 2: out some of them. So like for the very small
Speaker 2: batch you had left, the current pithia did during certain
Speaker 2: times have more sway on who the next pithia was,
Speaker 2: but not always more than anything. The priesthood had first
Speaker 2: pick of it, and then who could naturally withstand it
Speaker 2: was kind of the second eliminator, and then the pithia
Speaker 2: would get to decide from there.
Speaker 4: Sometimes so it uh while they did like a physical
Speaker 4: fitness Oh man, so you know what, that's probably more
Speaker 4: mental strength though, do.
Speaker 2: You do you want me to say specifically. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: they the priesthood, like multiple of them, would have the
Speaker 2: pithia get up on an elevated platform and squat naked
Speaker 2: over them, and they would like inspect them thoroughly for
Speaker 2: any scarring, stretch marks, anything that they considered to be
Speaker 2: signs of a birth, and like most women didn't didn't
Speaker 2: passage at all, whether or not they had actually given birth.
Speaker 2: Any anybody who's actually known a real woman knows stretch
Speaker 2: marks are totally normal and a part of the bodies.
Speaker 4: So it's like that fluctuating and wait, yeah, that's what
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They stretch marks, you know what I'm saying. They didn't
Speaker 1: a kid.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a totally normal part of of the
Speaker 2: physical body that can happen with or without kids. But
Speaker 2: like that was one of the main things they were
Speaker 2: looking for. So, like it was a lot of very
Speaker 2: non scientific and in my mind, like probably sexually motivated
Speaker 2: tests that they would put these women through because you
Speaker 2: you had all of these priests, right and compare them
Speaker 2: to like modern priests, more sexual restraints these people live under.
Speaker 2: It seems like the more deviance they seem to have
Speaker 2: when they have the ability to do so.
Speaker 1: So a body standards for Olympic athletes as well, So
Speaker 1: they had very strict standards when it came to these
Speaker 1: bodies that they would show as these examples of what
Speaker 1: the society was the ideal of. And in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways, that's what motivated their artwork too. This is
Speaker 1: what motivated them towards that perfectionism is the idea that
Speaker 1: these things can be perfected, and that was their view
Speaker 1: of the gods is the gods are the most perfect
Speaker 1: and the most beautiful things in the world, and that
Speaker 1: people closest to them should be as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's exactly it, and the art really kind
Speaker 2: of personifies that perfectly. But when it came to the pithia,
Speaker 2: they wanted her to be as natural as possible. And
Speaker 2: throughout history you always have the trope of the virgin
Speaker 2: being the most you know, psychically intuned or connected to source.
Speaker 2: You know, it changes slightly in variation, but all of
Speaker 2: them seem to have the the like virgin made and
Speaker 2: draw the whole, you know, unicorn lower all of it.
Speaker 2: So it's to them they felt like the more natural
Speaker 2: the woman was, which I don't know why birth would
Speaker 2: make that any less natural possibly, but the more pure whatever,
Speaker 2: the more in tune she would be. So they wouldn't
Speaker 2: allow them to shave their armpits, anybody hair whatsoever. Hair
Speaker 2: had to be you know, continuously long and never cut.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't allow them to comb their hair even so,
Speaker 2: like most of the pythias just had like massively knotted
Speaker 2: messes of nest that would go everywhere and sometimes in
Speaker 2: the vapor cause them to trip and like fall into
Speaker 2: the fissure. Happened a bunch of times cracked their head
Speaker 2: open on the ground. So like the whole thing just
Speaker 2: from every angle was not a very good process for
Speaker 2: the woman going through it a lot.
Speaker 1: There's so many parallels between that and like what you
Speaker 1: know I see happening today, Like hair is often associated
Speaker 1: with like divine attributions, like you can tell certain things
Speaker 1: about a person where they come from through looking at
Speaker 1: their hair, as well as like witches are always known
Speaker 1: for having really long hair's society, yeah, right, right, So
Speaker 1: there's something about this hair that actually has some sort
Speaker 1: of psychical quality to it, you know, And.
Speaker 2: That's something I've praise. I've actually talked to a number
Speaker 2: of people that from observing them, I've seen they are
Speaker 2: very in tuned, and uh, it's an antenna essentially, is
Speaker 2: their consensus. And the more you know they diet or
Speaker 2: cut it, the more the signal is diluted. And for men,
Speaker 2: and you'll see it throughout history, that's often in our beards. Right,
Speaker 2: the more initiated one was into the mysteries, generally, the
Speaker 2: longer and unkemped the beard would be. So it's that
Speaker 2: trope is mirrored in men and women, and it's it
Speaker 2: boils down to it.
Speaker 1: It's the antenna, right, hair bones, and fascia are all
Speaker 1: piezo electric compounds, so there's something happening with the electricity,
Speaker 1: which also goes back to the pithia because the fault
Speaker 1: lines that were there that these fumes were coming up from,
Speaker 1: also have a massive amount of electromagnetic energy coming through
Speaker 1: the fault lines as well. So yeah, in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways, there could be multiple influences on the mind
Speaker 1: and changing consciousness at these sites because it's the.
Speaker 3: Fault lines disputed as well.
Speaker 2: Though it was it was up until the early two thousands.
Speaker 2: I think two thousand and five specifically is when it
Speaker 2: was kind of definitively proven once and for all, because
Speaker 2: it started back in the eighties a geologist was doing
Speaker 2: ground surveys of fault lines for nothing at all to
Speaker 2: do with any historical things, a modern government scan. And
Speaker 2: years later, after he had done these surveys, he happened
Speaker 2: to be in an academic setting around a bunch of
Speaker 2: historical academics and somebody had said that there was no
Speaker 2: fault lines under Delphi and he's like, I know that's
Speaker 2: not not true at all. I had to do surveys
Speaker 2: years ago, and so the two guys actually made a
Speaker 2: bet amongst each other, and they went out, they resurveyed everything,
Speaker 2: and by the early two thousands, and I want to
Speaker 2: say it was two thousand and five, specifically, it was
Speaker 2: definitively proven that there are active fault lines intersecting literally
Speaker 2: directly under the seat of Pythia. Like, none of that
Speaker 2: was a myth whatsoever.
Speaker 3: I swear surveyors are like the biggest enemy of like propagandists.
Speaker 1: They are.
Speaker 2: It's just hard data, and it's hard to argue with
Speaker 2: hard data, you know. But yeah, I mean, honestly, it
Speaker 2: was a geologist that restored the honor of Delphi and
Speaker 2: the knowledge that there was a Pithia there sitting on
Speaker 2: a stool in front of fissures with vapors coming out
Speaker 2: of them, exactly as said, It's not mythos, it's not
Speaker 2: grandiose romanticizing of you know, ancient past historians. That's the
Speaker 2: shit that was actually happening. So I think that's important
Speaker 2: for us to be fully cognizant of because for hundreds
Speaker 2: of years there was an actual person sitting on a
Speaker 2: concrete stool, huffing vapors and giving prophecies.
Speaker 1: As even that as a dispute because they've got some
Speaker 1: that list this three pronged stool, right, that's your why,
Speaker 1: And then others said that no, they were right on
Speaker 1: top of the opulash, which is what the vapors came through.
Speaker 1: So I think it's probably a hybrid of both.
Speaker 2: Well, so I think it actually changed because of accidents.
Speaker 2: In my research, it seemed like where they how they
Speaker 2: described the pithia being seated changed in the later times,
Speaker 2: which was after an accumulation of women falling into the
Speaker 2: fissures when they were in trance states. So yeah, that
Speaker 2: was actually like a pretty big problem that that happened
Speaker 2: to a lot of pits.
Speaker 4: Yes, so.
Speaker 1: They had multiple gods that ruled over the different sites.
Speaker 1: I wonder if Apollo is just less into safety.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't. He wasn't the OSHA supervisor for certain. Uh,
Speaker 2: it's a what I was going to say that you
Speaker 2: had you had mentioned a second ago in altered states.
Speaker 2: So they they proved definitively that these vapors were hydrocarbon gases.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of different ones that they've identified, but
Speaker 2: one of them is uh one that we we use
Speaker 2: in modern day during like dental procedures and stuff. So
Speaker 2: if you if you took somebody who was already psychically
Speaker 2: inclined and you put them under this altered state, and
Speaker 2: it's not a psychedelic like where they're going to be
Speaker 2: in a completely different, you know, realm. It's it's simply
Speaker 2: just an altered state. I think that some truly incredible
Speaker 2: stuff could be happening if you had a woman that
Speaker 2: actually in tuned and then also able to drop the
Speaker 2: conscious veil. So I really don't think it was any
Speaker 2: kind of smoke and mirrors or theatrics or stagecraft. I
Speaker 2: think you had women who were very, very dedicated to
Speaker 2: what they knew in themselves. They knew they knew theyselves,
Speaker 2: and that's the willing, the reason they were willing to
Speaker 2: endure so much physical, emotional, mental anguish to perform the
Speaker 2: duty they felt called to do so at a fundamental
Speaker 2: core level. Otherwise who would go through all that stuff?
Speaker 1: Right? Right? And I think a lot of times the
Speaker 1: current people look back at these other religions and they
Speaker 1: think there's no way they could have been pious to that.
Speaker 1: They must have just been atheists or whatever. But that
Speaker 1: completely been not anything that was happening in the culture
Speaker 1: at the time, or how they viewed the rest of
Speaker 1: the world in their cosmology. It's almost kind of ridiculous
Speaker 1: because you could see it from these different pathways if
Speaker 1: you just give it a chance and open your mind
Speaker 1: a different cultural perspectives. But I think one of the
Speaker 1: things that stood out to me was during the early days,
Speaker 1: the Pythia were called the melise, well they were still
Speaker 1: called that afterwards. It was more like the whole congregation
Speaker 1: of priestesses were called the melissa, which would be like
Speaker 1: these honey witches, and they they hung out in this cave,
Speaker 1: and this cave was the site that you know, all
Speaker 1: of the travelers would be like, well, I'm going to
Speaker 1: go by there because they've got something going on. And
Speaker 1: so the Melisa were like these honey priestesses, and they
Speaker 1: had these gold charms of women, sort of like in
Speaker 1: the style of the harpies, right, women on these on
Speaker 1: the on the top of bees. Right. Normally a harp
Speaker 1: would be a woman's head on the top of the bird, right,
Speaker 1: But in this case, it was a woman's head on
Speaker 1: top of the bee, and that was the symbol for
Speaker 1: these melisa. So I mean that's that's sort of endured,
Speaker 1: and I think there's something to the idea of the
Speaker 1: hive mind happening at Delphi, since this is the navel
Speaker 1: of the world, this is the central point for everybody,
Speaker 1: and now this is your hive mind moving forward. It's
Speaker 1: a it's kind of a you know, an underlying I
Speaker 1: guess indication, not necessarily over more of an esoteric one.
Speaker 2: Well, when you for people who are open to the
Speaker 2: idea of it, you you'll see, uh, intuitive people naturally
Speaker 2: resonate with each other, and then the the things if
Speaker 2: you just observe that will come from them when they
Speaker 2: do uh, it's it's really phenomenal. And the ability when
Speaker 2: they're they're working together in that coordinated way to t
Speaker 2: into the collective consciousness. It really becomes a hive mind
Speaker 2: at that point because a lot of communication is then
Speaker 2: being intuitively felt instead of verbally dictated. And to have
Speaker 2: people kind of in sync in that way is a
Speaker 2: very potent and tangible thing that you can go on
Speaker 2: any social media and as long as you can find
Speaker 2: those WU circles, you can just watch it unfold and
Speaker 2: you can see proof of it all the time. When
Speaker 2: enough intuitive people get together that hive mind really does
Speaker 2: form because then they're able to kind of bounce off
Speaker 2: of each other and tune the the intuition. So it
Speaker 2: creates a very interesting hive mind effect. And I think
Speaker 2: the symbology is very intentional there.
Speaker 1: Tap it in. Yeah. So I've got a of the
Speaker 1: different deities that were in charge or the oracle that
Speaker 1: was speaking through the pythia. The first one was Gaya, right,
Speaker 1: so this is the goddess of the Earth. That's, you know,
Speaker 1: basically the origin for all of the rest of their mythology.
Speaker 1: The second was Phoebe, and Phoebe was daughter of Gaya.
Speaker 1: Also the light you know, that's Phoebus. Anything with the
Speaker 1: pho in Greek has to do with light, and you know,
Speaker 1: Phosphorus and all the rest of that themis this is
Speaker 1: the one you see out in front of the courthouse,
Speaker 1: the one with the blindfold on, one with the sword,
Speaker 1: the one with the scales. She was the third oracle
Speaker 1: at Delphi. She was also the one that was in
Speaker 1: charge of the bringing humans back after the flood, so
Speaker 1: they had a flood myth too. And then you have Apollo, Dionysus, Athena,
Speaker 1: and Poseidon. Maybe not in you know, strict order, but
Speaker 1: those are the different gods that were speaking through the
Speaker 1: Pythia to the people at Delphi.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so what's interesting is they would eat, like
Speaker 2: the gods would take breaks sometimes even which I found
Speaker 2: pretty interesting. Like Apollo had like certain periods of the
Speaker 2: year where he just wouldn't commune, so you'd have like
Speaker 2: guest host gods dropping in on the on the temple.
Speaker 2: And what's interesting is like during the time of Apollo,
Speaker 2: of being a temple of Apollo, when Apollo was not
Speaker 2: in session and you had a fill in god like Athena,
Speaker 2: the rate of travelers and pilgrims was substantially lower. So
Speaker 2: that was like an off season for the Pythias, who
Speaker 2: did actually get an off season by the way, they
Speaker 2: were allowed I think one quarter of the year to
Speaker 2: be with family, to lick their wounds. Yeah, no kidding,
Speaker 2: like take a bath anything. God. When I when I
Speaker 2: was researching like that part in particular, I was like, literally,
Speaker 2: who the fuck would do this? Like what is in
Speaker 2: it for any of these gals like you? And and
Speaker 2: that's what I just I keep being drawn back to
Speaker 2: as far as like U internal proof of its legitimacy, right,
Speaker 2: who would be willing to go through those kind of
Speaker 2: trials if it wasn't of the highest internal belief right,
Speaker 2: it doesn't Sorry, no, go.
Speaker 3: Ahead, Well, I mean they're partying with kings and gods basically,
Speaker 3: who wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2: The Pythia didn't get to have that type of innerplay.
Speaker 2: The priests did, but the Pythias didn't.
Speaker 3: So you're high and you're consulting king saying.
Speaker 2: God's and I think the idea of it was probably romantic,
Speaker 2: but they wouldn't have ever remembered any of their times
Speaker 2: being high talking to the kings. It's not like they
Speaker 2: were they were smoking a joint with them and being
Speaker 2: like you know what, I think they they were on
Speaker 2: like methane gas. Like if you were in you are
Speaker 2: running and just breathing that ship and somebody walked in
Speaker 2: as you're half unconscious, and the driver's scene was like, hey,
Speaker 2: you are right in there. You're not gonna remember being like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm almost passed out for breathing all this shit, So
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't actually know that that outside of
Speaker 2: the idea of like, I do this for a living,
Speaker 2: they weren't getting to enjoy the in moment of it.
Speaker 2: Like if you've ever sat down with somebody cool and
Speaker 2: smoked a cigarette with him or had a beer with them,
Speaker 2: like you remember that you hold onto that ship forever.
Speaker 2: These pytheists didn't remember anybody they fucking talk to or
Speaker 2: what they did all day, Like it took them hours
Speaker 2: to come down and like have enough oxygen back in
Speaker 2: their brains to know what the fuck was going on.
Speaker 2: So I don't know that that actually was incentive for them.
Speaker 1: Well, they also had to like the only way that
Speaker 1: they knew it was a legitimate oracle is it had
Speaker 1: to be a hexiamic pain Canada. No, they're not only
Speaker 1: you know, really high, but it's got to come through
Speaker 1: as poetry as well. So there's an indicator there that, man,
Speaker 1: they had to be really on a different level, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna ask do they ever was ever
Speaker 4: any accounts of them that speaking that way? And then
Speaker 4: they would say that's no good or was it always
Speaker 4: just cold lot? Oh the was okay, I don't know
Speaker 4: if it was like ratio no, So.
Speaker 2: Like they wouldn't actually get the chance to do that
Speaker 2: until a turning of the guard was about to happen,
Speaker 2: And usually that's because the pythia was falling in ill health.
Speaker 2: You didn't retire from that job, you died from it.
Speaker 2: I believe very few, like less than ten in all
Speaker 2: of known pithia history, actually like stepped down from the
Speaker 2: job at a certain point, and it wasn't like voluntary,
Speaker 2: it was still for reasons. But the rest of them died.
Speaker 2: They died in the seat, usually around fifty years old.
Speaker 2: So when indications of the pithia losing her cohesion started
Speaker 2: to become prevalent, then the other ones would start to
Speaker 2: get to try it out, like in the off season,
Speaker 2: they would get to but for years they were getting
Speaker 2: used to the vapors, so a lot of women could
Speaker 2: stand the vapors. But then when the time came for
Speaker 2: them to actually sit on the seat and have the moment,
Speaker 2: they were not speaking poetry. They were just glazed. So
Speaker 2: you would have a lot of late game ejections for
Speaker 2: that reason. Or also what would happen is when pythia
Speaker 2: would be like suddenly put in the seat, you would
Speaker 2: have a big turnover of very manic pithias because their
Speaker 2: bodies hadn't had time to acclimate to all of the
Speaker 2: gases they were laughing. So from a health level, the
Speaker 2: way it interacted with them was actually pretty serious and
Speaker 2: very very very few of them could withstand it and
Speaker 2: give coherent poetic prophecy. Very few. So it like when
Speaker 2: they got one, it was pretty obvious this is the one.
Speaker 2: A lot of women died figuring that out each time, though,
Speaker 2: like wild shit, it's a and I that's like if
Speaker 2: you compare it to you know, like any predominantly female
Speaker 2: religious sect anywhere else you look in the world, or
Speaker 2: like modern nuns like have already said anything, you don't
Speaker 2: really see that sort of toll taken from the medium.
Speaker 2: And I think it's interesting that for so long it
Speaker 2: could endure that way, knowing what you were signing up
Speaker 2: for ahead of time. So the navel of the world
Speaker 2: definitely sums it up.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: They knew it really was the center of prominence, and
Speaker 2: they treated it as such. An and to your point
Speaker 2: earlier about like maybe they were just enjoying the fact
Speaker 2: that they were getting high and talking to kings. I'm
Speaker 2: sure there was a level of pride that came with it.
Speaker 1: Right, Like part of the Delphic maxims is show respect
Speaker 1: to the oracle. Like that's very prominently displayed. So there
Speaker 1: was one hundred and forty seven of these Delphic Maxims
Speaker 1: which were re posted around the ancient world and all
Speaker 1: these different temples, and the only reason we know that
Speaker 1: they existed in their full length, according to the second
Speaker 1: century authors that wrote about them, is because there was
Speaker 1: a fragment of one found in Afghanistan. Wow, and Afghanistan,
Speaker 1: you know, that's part of where you know, Alexander the
Speaker 1: Great conquered, and so they had temples to the oracles
Speaker 1: up there, and they had the full text of the
Speaker 1: Delphic Maxims up there as well. So there's something to
Speaker 1: be said about how influential all of these r Like
Speaker 1: you could see the parallels between the Delphic Maxims and
Speaker 1: the Tank Commandments, like very specifically. And so yeah, which
Speaker 1: came first, I think might have been the Delphic Maxims,
Speaker 1: but the figure and they had such an influence because
Speaker 1: it was like, this is the bedrock baseline of moral authority,
Speaker 1: coming directly from the gods themselves. And there were other oracles,
Speaker 1: but they talked to different gods, Like there was one
Speaker 1: in Syria at Ballbeck, which was a Roman oracle, and
Speaker 1: this influenced the sibiling books, right, So there was a
Speaker 1: lot of other oracles going on, but this was the
Speaker 1: one that was open to all Greeks from anywhere in
Speaker 1: that in that region.
Speaker 2: Well, and what's interesting is with because there were oracles
Speaker 2: all over the place for all the different gods of
Speaker 2: any one religion and then other religions and all their
Speaker 2: different gods. So I like, the whole Mesopotamian region, you know,
Speaker 2: had mystery cults and oracles all over the damn place
Speaker 2: for all of their gods and goddesses. So like you
Speaker 2: you had that happening in the modern least, you have
Speaker 2: that happening over you know, further into Europe and stuff.
Speaker 2: So it's the spread was far and wide, but the
Speaker 2: center of the earth was Delphi. Like the fact that
Speaker 2: it obtained the position really I think speaks to its potency.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and as a political symbol, it you know, survives
Speaker 1: even to this day, you know, I mean, you've got
Speaker 1: companies named after it. You know, the oracle and all
Speaker 1: the rest of this computer technology always harkens back to
Speaker 1: the oracle at Delphi. It still occupies sort of a
Speaker 1: seat of power within the mind today.
Speaker 2: Well, in the same way that Gilgamesh obtained immortality, right,
Speaker 2: like a lot of these people have lived on through
Speaker 2: the legend they created. That was the immortality that they obtained,
Speaker 2: And I do think there's something to be said about
Speaker 2: that and the symbols they continue to inspire. Those things
Speaker 2: haven't haven't ever left us. I think they've just gone
Speaker 2: dormant in the public psyche a little bit.
Speaker 1: They got to rebrand your company, then you go straight
Speaker 1: to grease and you use one of those names.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, need a government building, Greek architecture, new corouse,
Speaker 2: step that Greek architecture, some more like Yeah, it's it
Speaker 2: is the most I think plagiarized and abundant. Well, but
Speaker 2: I think that's because they were great plagiarists themselves, So
Speaker 2: like it. It's just a continued continued recycling of greatness
Speaker 2: and honing in on what truly connects us as humans
Speaker 2: to source. That's things like fine art, uh, exploration of
Speaker 2: the mysteries, the things that naturally inspire us as humans
Speaker 2: connect us back to source. Right, So I do think
Speaker 2: that there is a good and practical reason, but I
Speaker 2: think there's also more esoteric reasons why they do it
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I have a question, so calling it the center
Speaker 3: of the earth or you know, I guess in like
Speaker 3: some people would say where the North star, you know,
Speaker 3: shines down on the earth would be that point. Is
Speaker 3: there anything significant other than the fault lines, like is
Speaker 3: there anything in the stars or anything super significant other
Speaker 3: than the fault lines that could indicate that this spot
Speaker 3: is specially I know that there's like limestone like stuff
Speaker 3: like that, but like anything else.
Speaker 2: So according to Plutarch, I believe there before there was
Speaker 2: ever a temple of Apollo, the locals regarded that that
Speaker 2: exact area as incredibly important because goats would apparently go
Speaker 2: up to it, breathe the vapors, and the goats would
Speaker 2: start reciting prophecy. So you had talking goats apparently before
Speaker 2: there was a temple. And then of course there was
Speaker 2: the mythos, like was said earlier, of the eagles flying
Speaker 2: around the earth and crossing path at that exact point.
Speaker 2: So it was reason that that must be the center
Speaker 2: of the earth if they were let go at the
Speaker 2: same time, and that's where they recrossed. So you've got
Speaker 2: the mythology and then you've got local lore. But I,
Speaker 2: as far as I'm aware, there wasn't anything astrological about it.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think they knew of any specific
Speaker 2: electromagnetic properties going on there. I think it was just
Speaker 2: a combination of local lore and then biblical lore for them.
Speaker 1: But in the uh in the in the retreat of Apollo,
Speaker 1: he they would always know that he had retreated back
Speaker 1: to Hyperborea with the appearance of Lira and Signus in
Speaker 1: the night sky. So the Lira obviously the harp that's
Speaker 1: the symbol of Apollo, and Signus being the swan being
Speaker 1: the symbol of Zeus. So having I think they were
Speaker 1: very heavily connected with what was going on astrologically, with
Speaker 1: what gods were coming and going from the from the site.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I so I believe that influenced their cycle
Speaker 2: of when Apollo was in session or when Athena was
Speaker 2: in session. But as far as I've seen, I don't
Speaker 2: think it originally influenced the actual location. Do you know
Speaker 2: of anything have you heard to that effect?
Speaker 1: There might be there might be some sort of asterisms,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like the Egyptian you know, pyramids where
Speaker 1: they were all lined up with the sky as well.
Speaker 1: I don't think there was something like that. But you know,
Speaker 1: Mount Parnassis is very important for when it comes to
Speaker 1: Greek mythology and all the things that happened there and
Speaker 1: all the things associated with it. Often times these places
Speaker 1: are really close to mountains, you know, Mount Olympus and
Speaker 1: you know all Mount Ada for example. So right having
Speaker 1: the oracle at the cave is the unification of the
Speaker 1: sky and the earth. You know, these are the places
Speaker 1: where these things, all these forces sort of meet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I that that symbio relationship is what I think
Speaker 2: they were, you know, symbolically trying to portray and so
Speaker 2: that is they did view the mountains as titans. I
Speaker 2: actually can't remember.
Speaker 1: They they had some where, for example, the what's his name,
Speaker 1: the big bad guy, what's the Typhon, He was smashed
Speaker 1: by a boulder and that became a volcano in I
Speaker 1: think it's Santorini. I'm not sure, but uh, it's that's
Speaker 1: so that's where Typhon is at as well as Hyphestus.
Speaker 1: So Hiphestus is you know, workshop is under that mountain
Speaker 1: as well. So okay, there's lots of different mountain indicators
Speaker 1: when it comes to that sort of factor. But you know,
Speaker 1: all of the locations that they talk about in Greek
Speaker 1: mythology are holy sites to their religion.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and the there doesn't seemed to be as
Speaker 2: much energetic focus, I guess on a lot of the
Speaker 2: Greek sites as there seemed to be in other cultures
Speaker 2: around the world. And I find that kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: I wonder, because at that point, by Greek culture, you
Speaker 2: kind of you had a more refined understanding of the mysteries, right,
Speaker 2: You'd already had thousands of years of really great civilizations
Speaker 2: already exploring them from every angle that they they went
Speaker 2: conquered the lands and were like, hey, what's going on
Speaker 2: over here? And they kind of pulled from the best
Speaker 2: of everything. And it's it's always been kind of fascinating
Speaker 2: to me that the way in which they chose their
Speaker 2: sites doesn't actually seem to be on par with the
Speaker 2: way a lot of other ancient civilizations did. Have you ever.
Speaker 1: Noticed that, well, I mean, there are some indicators that
Speaker 1: they were more interested in how they could see the
Speaker 1: sky as opposed to what was on the ground beneath them.
Speaker 1: So a lot of times the Artemis temples would be
Speaker 1: high up in the mountains where nobody could reach them,
Speaker 1: and you know, to this day there are Artemis temples
Speaker 1: up there on these mountain sides that you know, they're
Speaker 1: not sure how they got there, why they would be there,
Speaker 1: but I guess that's some sort of a pilgrimage site,
Speaker 1: so they have indicators that that was the case. So,
Speaker 1: you know, it was part of the worship that these
Speaker 1: things were difficult to get to, like there had to
Speaker 1: be an effort. I mean you see that in the
Speaker 1: stories of Hercules as well. There has to be some
Speaker 1: sort of physical effort, overwhelming physical exertion that goes on
Speaker 1: that brings you to that state of nosis. That's the
Speaker 1: sort of the beginning of nosis.
Speaker 2: The forty days in the desert, right, exhaustion, right, the
Speaker 2: trial by fire. Yeah, that's a I it's repeated trope,
Speaker 2: but I do think there really is something to it.
Speaker 2: I mean, anybody who's ever been through that kind of
Speaker 2: ordeal knows. Yeah. I mean, it really does bring you
Speaker 2: closer to yourself and to this planet and to source.
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating experience to go through trials of that kind.
Speaker 2: So I think the Old world insisting on it was
Speaker 2: an interesting you know, manipulation in a way to get
Speaker 2: people to that elevated state, but maybe a necessary one.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe you can you can look at
Speaker 2: how things are going now spiritually for our species and say,
Speaker 2: maybe we should still be hooky. Do people into walking
Speaker 2: up one hundred flights of stairs to go to church
Speaker 2: probably be good for our overall fitness level too.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, look at the energy level of the Greeks, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, they built all that stuff in like four
Speaker 1: hundred years and.
Speaker 2: So much energy. They had to create games to do
Speaker 2: something with excess energy.
Speaker 1: And they had they had more feast days than actual workdays,
Speaker 1: So they're building all that stuff.
Speaker 2: You're doing with our lives, guys.
Speaker 1: Well, exactly, like they had a very different religion with
Speaker 1: a lot more energy. And I think that comes through
Speaker 1: the fact that Greece itself is sort of like a
Speaker 1: rocky outcrop over an unforgiving ocean, Like it is a
Speaker 1: very harsh terrain, and they had to figure out a
Speaker 1: way to survive in that climate. And I think one
Speaker 1: of the ways was to just sort of like impose
Speaker 1: physical stress, strenuous activities so that you would be prepared
Speaker 1: for anything that comes your way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I yeah, they're probably it probably was intentional to
Speaker 2: some degree. But I think just in the in the
Speaker 2: modern time, we've gotten so detached from what actually healthy is, right,
Speaker 2: Like abundance is the norm. We live in abundance every day,
Speaker 2: even when we think we're not. But the reality is,
Speaker 2: you rewind back to a time that didn't have grocery stores,
Speaker 2: Like abundance was never the norm. So we used to
Speaker 2: keep ourselves in active fast because that's the just how
Speaker 2: it was when you were surviving and the you know,
Speaker 2: the the health benefits from that, the psychological benefits from that.
Speaker 2: I think it's probably the natural state to be in
Speaker 2: and now it's hard not to, you know, have your breakfast, lunch,
Speaker 2: and dinner and snacks in between. But like they were
Speaker 2: much connected to much more connected to the earth back then,
Speaker 2: and I think that probably made the psychic connection of
Speaker 2: seeking divine guidance probably a lot stronger. When life was
Speaker 2: a trial by fire every day, you know, you're you're
Speaker 2: connected to source a lot, a lot closer.
Speaker 3: And everything was cyclical, right because you would go by seasons.
Speaker 1: That's one of the things that people really forget about,
Speaker 1: how you know, urbanized and awesome Greece was it was
Speaker 1: an agrarian society through and through Well.
Speaker 3: Everything was agrarian pretty much until two hundred years ago, right, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: It's easy to forget that when you see the Parthenon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what it is, uh, it is you.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of times when people look back
Speaker 2: at the past, they're they're projecting our modern framework onto it.
Speaker 2: And so like, maybe we can give the academics a
Speaker 2: little leniency here on why you know, they'll insist these
Speaker 2: things are mythos because it's it's hard for a rational
Speaker 2: mind to detach from what we can tangibly see and
Speaker 2: feel and test. When you're diving into the ancient past,
Speaker 2: it's not tangible, right, You have to be imaginative at
Speaker 2: that point. You can read things they wrote, but you
Speaker 2: still have to imagine the actualization of that. So when
Speaker 2: you have people who are strictly analytical trying to wrap
Speaker 2: their head around something that can't be quantified that neatly,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe that's where some of the dismissiveness comes.
Speaker 2: But I think when you really are able to divorce
Speaker 2: yourself from the modern way we look at things and
Speaker 2: understand things and kind of adopt the ancient frame work,
Speaker 2: uh man, it really shows how magical the old world was,
Speaker 2: and whether it was Greece or Rome or Egypt or
Speaker 2: any of the Mesopotamian countries or city states, rather, you
Speaker 2: know it that that general living in the mystical that
Speaker 2: was the reality of their framework. If it didn't rain
Speaker 2: because you pissed God off and that was settled science. Like,
Speaker 2: that's honestly pretty fucking cool to like have that that
Speaker 2: level of like, well, guys, we've done done it. We
Speaker 2: we're not going to have a good crop this year
Speaker 2: if we don't straighten our ship up. I that that
Speaker 2: level of like overall connection to planet and to source,
Speaker 2: I'm sure did create an overall higher consciousness because they
Speaker 2: felt like they literally had to or the gods who
Speaker 2: are just like not grow them corn that year. So
Speaker 2: that probably was an interesting dynamic of the past that
Speaker 2: now we have a hard time fully understanding.
Speaker 1: Well, what I love to say is that land is
Speaker 1: the lens by which we view God, and that's so
Speaker 1: much more a parent in the ancient world because where
Speaker 1: they come from is how they viewed their deities, and
Speaker 1: you know, the desert gods would have a completely different
Speaker 1: belief system as opposed to the you know, more urbanized
Speaker 1: or agrarian civilizations. You know, like if you look at
Speaker 1: the the version of what's your name the Persephone, in
Speaker 1: the Mesopotamian world, it was Nrgol, So Persephone would come
Speaker 1: up during the spring and then you know, go out
Speaker 1: and raise all these crops, whereas in the Mesopotamian region
Speaker 1: it was Norgall, who is the god of war, and
Speaker 1: so they would go out there and steal everything from
Speaker 1: their neighbors because that was the springtime, and that's what
Speaker 1: you did in the springtime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you know, depending how harsh the region
Speaker 2: was was like how unforgiving their god was also, which
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty funny. They're like, oh, our god's
Speaker 2: a dick out here. You guys got a good it
Speaker 2: is It is a it's it's it's a fascinating thought
Speaker 2: construct to like genuinely try and immerse yourself in that
Speaker 2: way of thinking. And I think now we're seeing a
Speaker 2: lot more inclination and desire as people are looking around
Speaker 2: and kind of really more than ever getting a grasp
Speaker 2: of like how far down the wrong direction we've gone
Speaker 2: in like every fucking way, just as a species, like
Speaker 2: it's not even like a per country thing at this point,
Speaker 2: we're not We're not doing it right as a species
Speaker 2: on on a on a you know, macro level. So
Speaker 2: I think as as more people on a micro level
Speaker 2: are becoming aware of that and being like, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: how do we how do we write this ship? You
Speaker 2: are seeing that pool towards mysticism happening again and the
Speaker 2: desire to adopt that ancient way of viewing our planet
Speaker 2: as genuinely awe inspiring and fucking incredible and capable of
Speaker 2: of nurturing us or destroying us like that. So there's
Speaker 2: an interesting part to play in science, in spirituality, you know,
Speaker 2: in an exploration of history. But ultimately it's it's going
Speaker 2: to take a combination of all of those things for
Speaker 2: us to genuinely upgrade as a species. And I think
Speaker 2: throughout history you've seen different aspects of it be embraced.
Speaker 2: But in our modern day, I think a lot of people,
Speaker 2: and you know, more by the day, are kind of
Speaker 2: coalescing into this understanding of modern principles and an understanding
Speaker 2: of ancient facts and the ability to interplay those. And
Speaker 2: I mean it looks like hermeticism a lot in most cases.
Speaker 2: But I think people are are genuinely gravitating back towards
Speaker 2: that right now.
Speaker 3: It is it is amazing to think about how in
Speaker 3: touch they must have been with the archetypes, and it's
Speaker 3: almost like a universal somatic intelligence, you know, we don't
Speaker 3: have today.
Speaker 2: We aim for archetypes now, right like oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: yeah you're too masculine, if you're too feminine, you're you're
Speaker 2: shamed for it, or yeah, oh heaven forbid.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's and again that's probably that intentional delegitimizing of
Speaker 2: mysticism as a whole, because yeah, the the ability to understand,
Speaker 2: believe in, and not just that, but even personify an
Speaker 2: arc type to those levels is uh yeah, something they
Speaker 2: don't want.
Speaker 3: I think that it comes from like not knowing yourself,
Speaker 3: because if you don't know yourself and people are putting
Speaker 3: an archetype in your face and they're like, you know,
Speaker 3: you have characteristics of this archetype or something, I think
Speaker 3: it can really freak people out because they aren't they
Speaker 3: don't know them solves enough to be like, yeah, that
Speaker 3: is me or that's not me. And so it's like
Speaker 3: really uncomfortable to start to have those kinds of conversations.
Speaker 2: Yep, I agree. I they from the time weren't born.
Speaker 2: We're painted with a preconceived brush. Right, if you're you're
Speaker 2: born in a in a certain time, in a certain place,
Speaker 2: you're a certain gender, whatever the case may be, you're
Speaker 2: you're already getting painted with a brush of what the
Speaker 2: the larger society and what the local society expect you
Speaker 2: to be before we're even conscious. So we we we
Speaker 2: grow up naturally in the programming of of what modern
Speaker 2: you know, archetypes they want us to achieve. And it's
Speaker 2: very detached from our natural ones, which the old world
Speaker 2: understood beautifully.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very true. But it's definitely true that people demonize
Speaker 3: it too, you know, and that doesn't help at all,
Speaker 3: being like, oh my gosh, Gemini toxic.
Speaker 2: Or you know, you know right they always get married
Speaker 2: to one. I tell people that they're like, oh, good luck,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, it's it's just pretty normal. But it's
Speaker 2: it's like we are, all of us.
Speaker 3: Are are much more complex than any single god. You know.
Speaker 3: These are simpler forms. These are like closer to ideal forms.
Speaker 3: And I think that it's just quite complex how the
Speaker 3: energies can work together and you can't generalize anything, even archetypically.
Speaker 1: Right there, legos.
Speaker 5: Legos in a system, yeah, and I I mean that's
Speaker 5: part of like the modern infrastructure we've created, right, where
Speaker 5: the value a human has only depends on what they
Speaker 5: can give to the larger society.
Speaker 2: There's no internal gratification or rewarding of internal gratification. It's
Speaker 2: what you can do for the larger society and how
Speaker 2: useful you are to the governance of that society. So
Speaker 2: I think back then, when you had completely different systems
Speaker 2: based off completely different needs of life, it allowed for
Speaker 2: the freedom of mysticism, where now we've kind of eliminated
Speaker 2: the space societally for that to even exist naturally. So
Speaker 2: when people do feel that draw, it does feel unnatural
Speaker 2: or taboo just because of the box we we've put
Speaker 2: ourselves in.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, most things aren't going to produce value, I mean,
Speaker 3: like monetary value, and so they are kind of discarded
Speaker 3: or shamed.
Speaker 2: Well, art in general, right, I mean, any any arts
Speaker 2: is our most Yeah, and that's uh, that is and
Speaker 2: has always been known to be the expression of the gods.
Speaker 2: So it the purest form of divinity is beauty through art,
Speaker 2: and whether that's music, painting, sculpture, regardless of the artistic medium.
Speaker 2: That is the physical personification of divinity that we as
Speaker 2: humans get to experience whenever we want. And if that
Speaker 2: can be muddled or minimized, then our connection to that
Speaker 2: true divinity is minimized and muddled.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, beauty is salvation. At least it was in the
Speaker 1: age of World. Today, we try to get away from those,
Speaker 1: you know, Greek style buildings because they're very expensive and
Speaker 1: we've got a very inflated currency.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, god, you look at the new library in
Speaker 2: Obama's name or whatever. That's the ugliest fucking building I
Speaker 2: have ever seen. It looks like no. Prisons are usually
Speaker 2: designed with more elegance and beauty. If I was a prisoner,
Speaker 2: I would be dismayed to be trapped in a fucking
Speaker 2: hell hole like that. It is so lacking in any
Speaker 2: sort of divine expression. And I think very intentionally so,
Speaker 2: but it I mean, god damn, it's the modernism, the
Speaker 2: modern style. I'm in construction, so I see, you know,
Speaker 2: modern and contemporary and farmhouse all the time. Modern just
Speaker 2: means straight, flat, ninety degrees. What the Fuck's That's not artistic,
Speaker 2: that's not beauty, that's not you know that's not style.
Speaker 1: Do you know the story behind the cracker barrel rebrand.
Speaker 1: The more unique the style of building it is, the
Speaker 1: less resale chance they have on the market. So all
Speaker 1: of these cracker barrels with all this nice, you know,
Speaker 1: kitchy jump from the past right in their unique style
Speaker 1: of architecture, that's not going to cut it anymore, because
Speaker 1: the holding company that owns cracker barrel wants it to
Speaker 1: be easily replaced by some other business if they ever
Speaker 1: go under, they can make their money back.
Speaker 2: Just swap it right over tomorrow.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's the like each your slot pig
Speaker 2: mentality that I think societally we're being fed as an
Speaker 2: attempt to remove us further and further from source. The
Speaker 2: more they can take beauty and wonder out of the
Speaker 2: things we can tangibly see, tangibly feel tangibly here. The
Speaker 2: more demoralized we are society, the lower the collective consciousness,
Speaker 2: the easier control. Right, when you're in a state of hurt,
Speaker 2: of need, of desire, you'll turn and you'll trust easily.
Speaker 2: Whereas if you're in a place of empowerment, well that
Speaker 2: ain't so easy. You're more inclined to be like, is
Speaker 2: that best for me? Because you know what, I'm feeling
Speaker 2: pretty good internally and I'm not sure that what you're
Speaker 2: saying actually savvy is with my well being. But if
Speaker 2: your well being is already in the shitter, well, anything
Speaker 2: they say, any slop that they feed you will be
Speaker 2: that sustenance, that hit that you need to subside a
Speaker 2: little longer. And I think that's the goal, the general
Speaker 2: slow ticking away and removal of all those artistic and
Speaker 2: mystical aspects that made our ancestors so connected to divinity.
Speaker 2: And today is as we see around the world, people
Speaker 2: are losing their way from divinity. But there's always the
Speaker 2: kickback effect, right, the boomerang effect, And that's what's happening now.
Speaker 2: And I think that's cool. So it's fascinating to witness
Speaker 2: in real time, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: It's so true though, because beauty has patterns, and it
Speaker 3: inspires dialectic and it inspires mirroring, and you know, that's
Speaker 3: a big way that people get to know themselves. That's
Speaker 3: actually I guess what my user name means, arrows up.
Speaker 3: Arrows is a ladder.
Speaker 2: That's cool. I like that it's a what I it
Speaker 2: like music? Music for me is a big one. I
Speaker 2: find music profoundly connecting the source and what I what
Speaker 2: I vibe with in the day depends entirely on how
Speaker 2: I'm feeling. My music ranges very eclectic and I'll bounce
Speaker 2: all over the place depending on what I'm receiving from
Speaker 2: the universe, how my energy needs to be.
Speaker 1: For the day.
Speaker 2: And then I would use that music as a tool
Speaker 2: to empower me and feel that thing I need to
Speaker 2: be feeling. And uh, that's that's that's a powerful drug,
Speaker 2: and it's it's a pure one, right, I mean, that's
Speaker 2: the beauty of music has the power to empower me
Speaker 2: to do more than I would have if I just
Speaker 2: went my day without it. And you know, you can
Speaker 2: take that and apply it to whatever example speaks most
Speaker 2: to the individual. And it's true. Like the Great Pyramid,
Speaker 2: imagine walking in front of that thing every day as
Speaker 2: as an Egyptian regular, you know, five thousand years ago,
Speaker 2: would you have not looked at this man made mountain
Speaker 2: and just been an absolute awe and wonder of what
Speaker 2: is possible from God from you just as a as
Speaker 2: a oneness you would you would look at that and
Speaker 2: it would inspire you, it would empower you. It's a
Speaker 2: it's an interesting thought that you know now that is
Speaker 2: being intentionally removed.
Speaker 1: Right well, as we get more connected and as the
Speaker 1: Internet spreads more information, more translations come out, these ancient
Speaker 1: ways of thinking are going to have a much bigger
Speaker 1: influence on today's society than we could have expected. You know.
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, like I mentioned a minute ago, I see
Speaker 2: her meticism in a lot of different forms appearing in people.
Speaker 2: And some of them will call it that is, some
Speaker 2: of them are only attuned to parts of it. But
Speaker 2: there is I think a growing understanding just as a
Speaker 2: as a boomerang effect of how important these connections actually
Speaker 2: are and finding a roadmap to get back to them
Speaker 2: as more of those roadmaps become available, Because different, different
Speaker 2: theologies are going to appeal to different people, right Like
Speaker 2: we all we all want our individual flavor of ice
Speaker 2: cream if we're going to eat ice cream. So I
Speaker 2: think there's there's so much profound knowledge to be had
Speaker 2: regardless of what ice cream flavor you want to bite
Speaker 2: out of. If you're taking an earnest by, it's it's
Speaker 2: going to be fulfilling.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, do you guys have any more questions. I think
Speaker 1: this has been a great episode. Can go around the
Speaker 1: room and guys tell them where they can find your arrows.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess I did have one question. So the
Speaker 3: oracle uh at the Temple of Apollo, right, there was
Speaker 3: all that limestone around it, right, there was another type
Speaker 3: of stone as well, and that I can't remember. But
Speaker 3: there hasn't been any like studies of the like any
Speaker 3: electric fields or anything like that around it, not.
Speaker 2: That I encountered in my research now. And that's that's
Speaker 2: why I say, like I think it's very interesting that
Speaker 2: like in South America and in Egypt, they seem to
Speaker 2: have a very and in North America as well, in
Speaker 2: the mound culture, they seem to have a very intuned
Speaker 2: understanding of energetic node points that I'm not sure the
Speaker 2: Greeks either valued or understood. I don't know which. They
Speaker 2: might have valued other things over those energetic points, and
Speaker 2: maybe maybe that's why they seem to have less prominence.
Speaker 2: I really don't have an answer for that. But as
Speaker 2: far as I could tell in my research, no, there
Speaker 2: hasn't been any sort of energetic science or recording data
Speaker 2: recording done on the site which is kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: You You would think they would want to know if
Speaker 2: there's any interesting magnetic properties there. Maybe that's too wu
Speaker 2: for science to even consider right now.
Speaker 1: They might not like the answer.
Speaker 2: Well right, yeah, they're like, oh shit, it's it's like
Speaker 2: all those like one hundred and eight other sites we
Speaker 2: that are sitting somehow inexplicably right on top of an energy. Now, yeah,
Speaker 2: well you would you would point it out, like the
Speaker 2: pizo electric energy earlier, and like even with my incredibly
Speaker 2: like very incredibly narrow understanding of how energy is created
Speaker 2: from geology when you're at an active fault point, that
Speaker 2: that friction is always going to be a place of
Speaker 2: high piso electric creation. And that's why the Pyramids construction
Speaker 2: is designed in such a way that as the earth moves,
Speaker 2: the stones are very subtly, the limestone is very subtly
Speaker 2: interacting with itself and creating that that Pieso electricity. So
Speaker 2: absolutely it would have been occurring, but I don't think
Speaker 2: it's been measured for.
Speaker 3: Okay, I guess I had one other question. Okay, Apollo, right,
Speaker 3: he's he's the main guy. So for divination, I guess
Speaker 3: Apollo is an interesting uh pick would you would you
Speaker 3: think that's because like a shared consciousness can lead to
Speaker 3: an unfolding, of divination, of of seeing, Uh, how the
Speaker 3: patterns unfold? I don't know if that question as well relaid, But.
Speaker 2: Well, you're right that Apollo is a really interesting choice.
Speaker 2: And I don't know. I don't know exactly why, because
Speaker 2: like it to me in my mind and like our understandings,
Speaker 2: like I would want to talk to Athena, I would
Speaker 2: want the goddess of wisdom telling me what's up. So
Speaker 2: I don't that's actually a great question I'm going to
Speaker 2: have to dig into now for my own curiosity. I
Speaker 2: don't know what made Apollo the psychic draw I got
Speaker 2: the answer, tell me, I would love to know.
Speaker 1: So Apollo is most commonly seeing with his concerts or
Speaker 1: his group as the Muses, Right, so the nine Muses
Speaker 1: are the followers of Apollo most closely. And so these
Speaker 1: nine Muses, would you know, would be Calliope write music,
Speaker 1: and you've got dancing, and you've got these other forms
Speaker 1: of inspiration. Right, inspiration that's how you take the god
Speaker 1: in and from that inspiration you achieve it a certain
Speaker 1: kind of nosis. So you'd have all of these things
Speaker 1: like music and these other influences being used to achieve
Speaker 1: that divine state of madness and then let Apollo or
Speaker 1: the words that God flow through you and you know
Speaker 1: he is the god of music as well.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that ties into a lot of what we've
Speaker 2: talked about. So that's that's very interesting. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: That's cool.
Speaker 1: Indeed, Well, the mother of the muses is menomacy, which
Speaker 1: is memory. So memory is the birth of all of
Speaker 1: this inspiration. So it's through memory and the access through
Speaker 1: the memory that you can actually achieve these things. And
Speaker 1: Nick's been talking about the memory Palace with his work
Speaker 1: on Giordano Bruno, which is also like an extension of
Speaker 1: that hermeticism as well. So there's that hemetic thread throughout
Speaker 1: all of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: Did you have any final thoughts anything say about that? Yes?
Speaker 1: All right, well this has been awesome. There has been
Speaker 1: another occult slash have this giant podcast and thank you Cody.
Speaker 1: Tell them where they can find him.
Speaker 2: Well, I absolutely had a great time getting to come on.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys, and you can find me at East
Speaker 2: ten outpost anywhere you social media online. I probably have
Speaker 2: a profile there, So just at East ten outpost.
Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome. Thank you guys so much and we will
Speaker 1: see you again next time.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you,