WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.839 You see something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What's going to happen? 3 00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:12.960 I'll think what. 4 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:29.679 A Welcome to the Occult Rejects on this episode, I've 5 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:32.359 got a very special guest and some very special co hosts. 6 00:00:32.479 --> 00:00:36.000 I've got Cody the Feast Tag Productions, and we're talking 7 00:00:36.399 --> 00:00:38.560 the Oracle of Delphi. But first let's go around the 8 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:41.000 room and have everybody else introduce themselves and tell them 9 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:43.479 what they're talking about, and then we'll go to you. Cody, Nick, 10 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:44.880 go ahead, start us off. 11 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:45.560 What is up? 12 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:45.799 Yeah? 13 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:49.799 Nick, the Occult Rejects, Bitch You Rumble YouTube. Obviously it's 14 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:53.079 on YouTube now and all major podcast Thank you very 15 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:54.679 much for in writing me on. I look forward to 16 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:56.000 this conversation for sure. 17 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:00.039 Absolutely airs up. Tell them me they can. 18 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:04.040 You can find me at YouTube at Arrows Up, and 19 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:07.359 you can find me on Twitter at Arrows to Eat those. 20 00:01:09.400 --> 00:01:13.359 Awesome. Awesome. And we've got a Alchemy Mondays which I'm 21 00:01:13.359 --> 00:01:16.280 going to be doing from Oklahoma next week, so it's 22 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:20.000 gonna be kind of interesting. So we do that show together, 23 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:21.920 and Cody go ahead and tell them where they can 24 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:25.000 find you and tell them how they can follow you. Yeah. 25 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:29.000 I so I'm at Easton Outpost everywhere. I've got a 26 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:31.799 website at Eastonoutpost dot com, which isn't live yet, but 27 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:38.799 I mean I'm literally at Easton Outpost everywhere, so on, X, YouTube, Rumble, Instagram, 28 00:01:39.040 --> 00:01:41.400 all the places. Some of them are more fleshed out 29 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:44.200 than others, but YouTube and X find me there for 30 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:45.920 sure at the Easton Outpost. 31 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:49.640 Awesome. Now, how would you describe your channel? Because I've 32 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:51.760 been watching your videos and they're just like right to 33 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:54.159 the point. They get right on that topic and then 34 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:55.239 ride it right. 35 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.280 Well, I yeah, I'm a I'm a storyteller. I think 36 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:03.920 first and forem. I try and find topics that excite 37 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:07.079 me personally, because you know people are going to enjoy 38 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:09.120 that more you read of it, all that stuff, So 39 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:13.319 I dabble with quite a bit of stuff, from esoteric 40 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:17.719 to the ancient past, occult stuff. I'm kind of all 41 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:19.879 over the place whatever I'm feeling at the moment. But 42 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:24.800 I recently covered the Oracle of Delphi, the twenty seven 43 00:02:24.919 --> 00:02:29.120 Club and Robert Johnson and his involvement with all that 44 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:32.759 selling us soul to the devil, and before that, the 45 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:35.360 legend is Sleepy Hollow. So I've kind of been all 46 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:36.319 over the place lately. 47 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:41.319 Awesome, awesome. Yeah, I saw that Oracle at Delphi video 48 00:02:41.319 --> 00:02:44.319 and I'm like, let's get him on. We're talking about it. 49 00:02:44.719 --> 00:02:47.960 Any excuse I have to talk about Absolutely, any excuse 50 00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:50.879 I have to talk about Hellenism, I'm always there. So 51 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:56.199 what do you think the first thing that really attracted 52 00:02:56.240 --> 00:02:59.199 you to covering something like the Oracle at Delphi? 53 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:05.360 Well, mysticism in general fascinates me. I talk to a 54 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:11.319 number of people that are incredibly psychically intuitive, and I'm 55 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:16.560 definitely a big believer in you know, people's. Everybody has 56 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:18.840 that ability to some degree. Like I said in the video, 57 00:03:18.919 --> 00:03:22.199 We've all been like, oh, man, you know, I'm thinking 58 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:23.639 about so and so, and then all of a sudden 59 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:26.960 your phone lights up and they're calling you, or you're 60 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:29.240 walking to your car and you've got a song in 61 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:31.439 your head and then you get in the car and 62 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:34.639 the exact song you're thinking of is on the radio. 63 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:40.039 We've all experienced those psychic synchronosities, and then some people 64 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:43.439 can actually you know, tap into that, follow those patterns 65 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:47.879 more and tune that in. So that's kind of been 66 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:51.080 a pattern in my life lately that I've been following 67 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:55.039 personally and watching other people follow So the Oracle of 68 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:58.080 Delphi video just seem like it fit perfectly. 69 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:05.280 Very good. Yeah, I personally think that there's so much 70 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:08.240 we can learn from the mystics of the past and 71 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:11.919 how they influenced society, and the oracle was one of 72 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:15.439 these places that had this huge influence that people really 73 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:16.319 don't see today. 74 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:22.120 No, no, it was unprecedented then and now, even with 75 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:25.319 the exception of the Emperor the king. I mean, it 76 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:29.199 lasted hundreds of years and as their political dynamics fluctuated, 77 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:34.920 the one thing that didn't fluctuate was really the second 78 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:39.800 seat of prominence was the oracle seat. No matter who 79 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:42.240 the ruling party was at the time, they went and 80 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:47.680 consulted the Pythia. So it it was a power and 81 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:52.360 an influence in a sway that really, I would say, 82 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:56.600 you only see and not even to the same degree, 83 00:04:56.600 --> 00:05:00.759 but mirrored somewhat in Maria or Sick and how much 84 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:05.560 she would inform the Third REICHX, you know, investigations and dapolins. 85 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:10.759 Roder Reagan had an astrologer that was insisted on by 86 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:15.240 his wife as well, so there's sort of a mystical bend. 87 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:21.600 Lincoln governments. Yeah, he had fances, yes, in the White House. 88 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:25.319 So there's a there's an undertone of mysticism that I 89 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:28.319 think a lot of people have sort of lost track of. 90 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:32.000 They think everything's just purely physical, but really I think 91 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:37.000 it's a starting point, right. So for instance, so Philip 92 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:40.279 of Macedon went to the oracle at Delphi and he 93 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:43.319 was given his oracle, which he thought meant one thing, 94 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:47.680 but it met something completely different. Now, what he got 95 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:52.399 was the king or the the bullet is crowned and 96 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:56.800 ready for slaughter. So in his mind right, because one 97 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:58.759 of the main things that the oracle at Delphi is 98 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:03.279 know thyself, and you have to know yourself and where 99 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:06.000 you stand in the world for these oracles to make 100 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:08.680 full sense to you. So the oracle he got was 101 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:11.959 the bullets crowned and ready for slaughter. He thought that 102 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:16.639 meant Persia. He thought Persia was the bull. Well two 103 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:18.879 days later he found out the hard way he was 104 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:23.240 the bull. He got murked on stage in front of everybody, 105 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:29.319 and this actually started the rise of Alexander the Great. 106 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:33.079 So from that point it was a shift from the 107 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:36.040 father over to the son, and they found I think 108 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:38.720 in twenty fifteen they found his body. Oh andy, it 109 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:42.639 was his because he had a spear inside of his 110 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:45.439 leg and they had talked about that in the histories, 111 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:47.360 about how Philip the mass and I got speared in 112 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:51.959 the leg. So it's pretty interesting. They still found Alexander, though. 113 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:56.279 They looked on a lot of very important and prominent 114 00:06:56.319 --> 00:06:59.279 people and I don't know how we just we don't 115 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:00.720 know where they're at, right. 116 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:04.800 Well, I think it's a it's a common thread. The 117 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:08.800 more precious and otherworldly these characters are and history like, 118 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:12.519 especially with the giant bones and things like that, the 119 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:17.240 more irresponsibly they're treated. You know, think about Einstein's brain 120 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:19.480 for instance, Right, they chopped that up and set it 121 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:22.720 all over the place. But it seems like the more 122 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:26.279 special the artifact, the worst people treat them. 123 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:31.839 Well, I think it's there's also an intentional They use 124 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:33.800 it to kind of muddy the waters, right, like the 125 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:38.000 conspiracy theorist label is used to just soften the conversation 126 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:40.360 and get people to look the other way. If they 127 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:44.040 can mystify something, right, they can they can claim that 128 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:48.800 I it's just legend, it was just them romanticizing. They 129 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:53.319 can they can suck the true and incredible power that 130 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:56.519 these people had, and whether it was mystical power or not, 131 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:02.360 it became that wardless, right. I mean, they these people 132 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:08.160 inspired nations, great armies, great moments that tilted history permanently. 133 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:14.600 That's mystical magical regard, you know, even if they did 134 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:18.800 it with no magical powers whatsoever, the end result is 135 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:22.680 pure magic. And they they these these people accomplish something 136 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:27.519 that very few characters in history get to accomplish. So 137 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:31.600 if they can mystify those characters and make them out 138 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:34.440 to be just that, just just characters and not people, 139 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:38.799 it removes the possibility for the rest of us, right, 140 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:45.240 It eliminates the actuality and makes it just romanticization. And 141 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:49.480 I think that, you know, subconsciously, is then humbling all 142 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:52.039 of us as a species. We can't we can't rise 143 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:55.759 to these heights, We can't perform these amazing feats. These 144 00:08:55.799 --> 00:09:00.720 are just fantasies, men's of legend. No, they and the 145 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:03.360 feats they performed were extraordinary. 146 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:06.039 Right, And that was one of the special things about 147 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:09.639 the oracle. As well as everybody was allowed to go there, 148 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:13.039 everybody was allowed to read their oracle, and so it 149 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:15.799 wasn't just things. It wasn't just these emperors. It wasn't 150 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:19.200 just these high figures. Everybody could be there, and it 151 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:22.519 was you know, access to this sort of mystical understanding 152 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.159 for everybody. In fact, out front of the oracle, they 153 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:28.960 would have these beans that they would paint white and black, 154 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:31.840 and so you would ask a question, reach into the 155 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:34.480 bag and pull out a bean, and based off of 156 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:36.279 whether it was white or black, you'd get a yes 157 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:39.360 or no. So they had sort of a whole mystical 158 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:42.039 practice going on there, and there were actually wars fought 159 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:45.360 over this place as well. They had the Five Sacred 160 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:48.799 Wars where you had this tribe that was acting as 161 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:52.720 a proxy for Athens near there, seize hold of the 162 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:56.000 oracle and start funneling all of the money into their 163 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:59.480 own pockets, right and you know, shaking down all the 164 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:03.679 pilgrim going to the site. Philip amasadon specifically, he said, 165 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:06.200 now that's not going to happen. So he actually waged 166 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:11.200 war against them, ended democracy in Athens. And then once 167 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:17.120 they actually used Apollo as a symbol where they're fighting battle, 168 00:10:17.159 --> 00:10:20.360 so he had all of the troops put on the 169 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:22.960 wreath as they went into battle as a symbol for 170 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:24.799 you know, you're not going to fuck around with Apollo 171 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:27.879 anymore because he was the god of Delphi. 172 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:36.399 Yeah. Yeah, it's and you touched on something that was actually, 173 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:39.679 as far as I know, completely unique throughout the old world. 174 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:44.919 The oracle at Delphi was the only mystic everybody could 175 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:48.200 go to anywhere, as far as I'm aware, South America, 176 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:56.639 North America, all throughout the ancient world, connection to divinity 177 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:00.240 was regulated to either the shaman class or or the 178 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:04.759 ruling class. And it really, as far as I'm aware, 179 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:09.360 was only Delphi where everybody could come and be on 180 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:12.159 equal footing with the oracle. So that in and of 181 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:15.080 itself is a pretty special characteristic of it. 182 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:25.240 Did you guys have any questions? Well, I think what's 183 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:28.559 interesting too is the expression of philosophy there as well. 184 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:33.559 So all of these characters in Greek mythology and their 185 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:38.799 pantheon were transferred over into other symbols, into other aspects 186 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:42.480 of life. They became sort of like a memory palace. 187 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:46.879 So anything that was associated with Apollo got called Apollo, 188 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:50.000 and anything associated with these other gods or goddesses they 189 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:53.279 got called that too. So you had the snake, which 190 00:11:53.320 --> 00:11:55.759 is one of the primary symbols at Delphi that that 191 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:59.240 was the serpent that Apollo slave, right, and then you 192 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:03.720 also have the omfullest the navel of the world, like 193 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:08.159 this was where Zeus sent out his two eagles to 194 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:11.080 encircle the planet, and then where they crossed over again 195 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:13.679 that was supposedly the navel, that was the place that 196 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:17.000 was going to rule everything else. So the Omfulest Stone 197 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:18.919 was something that I found kind of interesting too, and 198 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:20.480 you were mentioning that in your video. 199 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:25.759 Yeah, And something I actually didn't know is for a 200 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:28.879 pretty damn long amount of time, like two hundred some years, 201 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:36.919 historians actually discredited the accounts of the past and propagated 202 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:40.840 that all of it was completely romanticized. There wasn't fissures 203 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:44.679 in the ground, there wasn't vapors that were emitted from 204 00:12:44.679 --> 00:12:48.240 the earth, and it was literally that way until the 205 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:53.440 early two thousands. I had no idea. That's horrible though, 206 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:57.559 Like that's hundreds of years of accounts from people just 207 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:01.879 thrown out the window by you know, semi modern academia, 208 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:04.200 which it's pretty wild to me. 209 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:07.759 But yeah, it uh, it's the last person to do that, right. 210 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:12.279 Yeah, Well it's I mean it literally the early two 211 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:14.679 thousands is when it was like finally confirmed that like, 212 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:17.440 oh yeah, there were these vapors and they would have 213 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:24.279 produced you know, some llucinogenic qualities. So it's the whole 214 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:30.080 lore of Delphi is still actively unfolding and being confirmed. 215 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:33.679 And I think that as people kind of awake to 216 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:37.600 that latent mysticism that I think is in most people, 217 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:41.399 we want to be curious, right, we want to be mystified. 218 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:44.879 We want to think that things are magical. Uh, that's 219 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:48.799 our human inclination. We were gifted with imagination from source 220 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:54.279 for a reason. So I my motto is literally stay 221 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:57.279 curious because that that, to me is one of the 222 00:13:57.279 --> 00:13:59.960 most important things we can do as a human. Curiosity 223 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:06.360 leads to all manner of things. So it's it's something 224 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:08.639 that I think as people kind of awake to that 225 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:16.240 latent desire to find source to be involved in, you know, 226 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:21.399 what's considered like the woo stuff. Now more interest will 227 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:24.200 be put on places like Delphi, and I think in 228 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:26.360 the years to come, we're going to see a lot 229 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:30.279 more come out of there and be confirmed digs around 230 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:34.639 it that'll you know, find amazing revelations. So I hope 231 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:36.559 a lot of stuff comes out of it the next 232 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:37.559 few years. 233 00:14:38.840 --> 00:14:42.120 Well, one thing that's interesting is the last oracle at Delphi, 234 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:44.000 the last time they did it back of the four 235 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:49.240 hundreds AD. They were talking about mid fourth century. According 236 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:54.840 to historical accounts, Julian set his physic physicians and at 237 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:58.320 Delphi in an attempt to revive the oracle. Right, so 238 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:01.159 this was mid fourth century, around three to sixty three. 239 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:05.600 Some sources say that the prophecy was about the drawing 240 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:09.480 up of the waters at Delphi, right, But you know, 241 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:12.120 it was heavily influenced at that time by you know, 242 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:17.039 Christian preachers and bishops. So they were kind of trying 243 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:18.639 to get it to shut down, and the best way 244 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:20.879 they thought they could do that is by having an 245 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:23.879 oracle that that oracle has always been false. They've always 246 00:15:23.879 --> 00:15:27.879 had streams running at this place at Delphi, and there's 247 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:30.759 never not been a time when it hasn't been flowing. 248 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:32.919 So in essence, you can kind of see a parallel 249 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:35.440 between what you're talking about, like, oh, these Greeks are 250 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:37.399 just a bunch of liars. They don't you know, they're 251 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:39.720 making stuff up in all these histories that they have. 252 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:42.360 But then it turns out, no, they were right, you know, 253 00:15:42.679 --> 00:15:45.639 especially about Troy. You know, they said, oh, this this 254 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:48.159 Trojan battle, it has to be mythology. There couldn't be 255 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:50.240 a place called Troy. And then they find it back 256 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:51.200 of the eighteen hundreds. 257 00:15:51.279 --> 00:15:56.879 Yeah, Julian, the Julian that tried to keep paganism alive. 258 00:15:57.039 --> 00:16:01.240 Okay, that's him, Julian Depastate. 259 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:02.720 Yeah, it's ah. 260 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:04.320 So. 261 00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:09.279 I I think it's interesting though, because like the control state, right, 262 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:12.440 it's whatever the control state is of the time, which 263 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:16.600 up until really the eighteen hundreds, the control state was 264 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:23.240 the church. So at that point it then shifted to academia. 265 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:29.080 Academics became the new widespread religion, right, So, and I 266 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:33.240 still we were on that trend where academia is the 267 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:36.840 authoritative state. Like, you know, think about anything we've seen 268 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:39.240 go on in the country over the last couple of years, 269 00:16:39.399 --> 00:16:41.919 who are they attorney to, Oh, well the professionals, the 270 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:48.679 academics say, so, it's that is the current control state, 271 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:52.639 right is academia. So when we talk about, you know, 272 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:57.000 things like demystifying these places, it was the church's job. 273 00:16:57.120 --> 00:16:59.840 And then when the church started losing control and in 274 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:04.839 fluence to higher education, well then it became they were 275 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:10.279 the custodian of slapping down anything too mystical or incredible. 276 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:13.240 So I think it really kind of boils down to that, 277 00:17:13.319 --> 00:17:17.640 and whoever the most active control state player in. 278 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:22.039 The game is well, from an informational standpoint, if you 279 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:25.519 think about everyone having access to a place that can 280 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:30.480 reveal all secrets, that's a completely different form of government 281 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:32.640 than you would have with what we have today, which 282 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:36.680 is nothing but secrets. And they'll lie to your face, Glacaus. 283 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:40.480 They know that you don't have access to verifiable information. 284 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:43.519 So from that informational level, it was a very different 285 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:46.440 form of government than what we think of today because 286 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:49.680 according to them, you know, whether you believe in the 287 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:52.839 oracle or not, the oracle could see beyond any veil, 288 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:56.880 So anything you're trying to cover up probably not going 289 00:17:56.960 --> 00:17:58.799 to play out too well if the oracle could see 290 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:00.279 through it well. 291 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:05.400 And I wonder what the internal dynamics of that was like, 292 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:14.039 because if you had the Kingship actively believing genuinely in 293 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:18.559 the power of power of the Oracle, that would change 294 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:22.079 the manner in which they present themselves and live and 295 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:24.200 all of that stuff they would have to because they 296 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:27.359 would be believing that somebody was going to see through them, 297 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:32.240 or the flip side of that is it was always 298 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:36.440 a control medium and they actively used it and put 299 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:39.440 people on the seat who they could use and puppeteer 300 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:43.000 as a tool, and you know which it is. With 301 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:47.400 the benefit of hindsight, it seems like the oracle did 302 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:51.319 did have something going on there, But at the time, 303 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:53.799 I wonder how they viewed that dynamic. 304 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:59.599 Well, I do see a parallel because Athens was the 305 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:03.480 one democracy in the entire region, and they're the ones 306 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:06.880 who paid a proxy army to go to war with 307 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:10.839 Delphi to kind of shut it down and control all 308 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:13.400 of the people coming and going from there. And if 309 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:15.920 you look at what America is doing today, we've got 310 00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:19.960 proxy armies all over the world trying to shut stuff down. 311 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:23.880 So if it could be a more of a democracy 312 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:27.720 thing than a loyalty thing, because in essence, all loyals 313 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:30.799 back then had to be all of these bloodlines of 314 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:35.720 the heroes, right So well, yeah, but they don't talk 315 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:41.440 about that so much that the covert history, right Well. 316 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:46.119 It's a yeah, And I that's a good point because 317 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:51.599 I do think you know, with that tie to divinity 318 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:55.440 that most of them had back then and readily touted. 319 00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:00.480 There would have had to have been a dynamic of 320 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:04.599 them having to present their truest self to the oracle, 321 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:07.559 and that would have been a fascinating thing to be 322 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:08.519 a fly on the wall, for. 323 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:13.000 It's in a lot of ways kind of an initiation. 324 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:16.880 You're showing your preparedness to lead by going before the 325 00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:20.079 oracle and basically being the Emperor in his new clothes. 326 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:25.400 Yep, that's a good good way to put it. I uh, 327 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.720 you know, the some of the things that I didn't 328 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:36.359 know were like how the pythias would actually interact with 329 00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:40.240 the vapors and stuff, because that's always like I've always 330 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:44.359 known the lore to it, but when I actually researched 331 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:49.880 it it that was a really unappealing job. So from 332 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:53.599 the standpoint of the pythia, you would have to be 333 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:56.279 incredibly dedicated to it, Like it wasn't like a nun 334 00:20:56.319 --> 00:21:00.799 hood type role, because I mean astrict as they live 335 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:05.079 their lives. The pythia had it way worse. So there 336 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:07.920 would have had to have been, I think you can't 337 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:12.279 rationalize any other way, a very very serious internal pool 338 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:18.400 and desire and trueness from at least the Pythia's standpoint 339 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:21.759 to be able to rationalize all of the horrible shit 340 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:24.200 that they dealt with as a result of being the pythia. 341 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:31.279 Right, and they did change some of the requirements between ages, right, 342 00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:34.079 and you had early on they had to be these 343 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:37.119 young women, right, very very young, and then later on 344 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:38.839 they just said just has to be a virgin, you 345 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:40.160 can't have a child thirty. 346 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:42.720 Well, specifically I had to be thirty or later after 347 00:21:42.759 --> 00:21:49.440 I think the sixth sixth century, maybe it was pretty 348 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:54.240 early on, but specifically it did become thirty after a 349 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:59.960 series of pregnant pithias and kidnapped pithias and assaulted pythias. 350 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:03.720 They were like, ah, this isn't this isn't working out good. 351 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:08.079 So it was then a virgin, which just meant no 352 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:12.079 birth and over thirty. But like the tests it would 353 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:17.640 do for that were also like terribly humiliating. So I 354 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:21.960 you would have had been like very serious about your 355 00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:26.240 desire to be the psychic oracle to get this job, 356 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:29.240 because absolutely nothing was for them as best as I 357 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:29.680 can tell. 358 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:37.279 And wasn't it other oracles that picked these the new 359 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:38.759 ones out? 360 00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:44.720 Yes and no? So the priesthood had like the first pick, 361 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:48.880 and they would do like the narrowing down, and then 362 00:22:50.759 --> 00:22:53.200 there were a number of like physical tests that they 363 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:56.240 would have to endure, and so like those would weed 364 00:22:56.279 --> 00:22:59.559 out some of them. So like for the very small 365 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:04.200 batch you had left, the current pithia did during certain 366 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:07.640 times have more sway on who the next pithia was, 367 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:13.079 but not always more than anything. The priesthood had first 368 00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:17.759 pick of it, and then who could naturally withstand it 369 00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:21.640 was kind of the second eliminator, and then the pithia 370 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:23.119 would get to decide from there. 371 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:27.880 Sometimes so it uh while they did like a physical 372 00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:32.160 fitness Oh man, so you know what, that's probably more 373 00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:34.559 mental strength though, do. 374 00:23:34.519 --> 00:23:38.759 You do you want me to say specifically. Yeah, So 375 00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:42.279 they the priesthood, like multiple of them, would have the 376 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:46.359 pithia get up on an elevated platform and squat naked 377 00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:51.240 over them, and they would like inspect them thoroughly for 378 00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:55.960 any scarring, stretch marks, anything that they considered to be 379 00:23:56.559 --> 00:24:00.519 signs of a birth, and like most women didn't didn't 380 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:03.559 passage at all, whether or not they had actually given birth. 381 00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:07.720 Any anybody who's actually known a real woman knows stretch 382 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:10.880 marks are totally normal and a part of the bodies. 383 00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:16.359 So it's like that fluctuating and wait, yeah, that's what 384 00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:16.799 I'm saying. 385 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:20.480 They stretch marks, you know what I'm saying. They didn't 386 00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:21.160 a kid. 387 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:24.440 It's a it's a totally normal part of of the 388 00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:28.039 physical body that can happen with or without kids. But 389 00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:30.079 like that was one of the main things they were 390 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:33.799 looking for. So, like it was a lot of very 391 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:38.599 non scientific and in my mind, like probably sexually motivated 392 00:24:39.160 --> 00:24:41.799 tests that they would put these women through because you 393 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:45.599 you had all of these priests, right and compare them 394 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:50.200 to like modern priests, more sexual restraints these people live under. 395 00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:54.559 It seems like the more deviance they seem to have 396 00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:59.000 when they have the ability to do so. 397 00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:03.559 So a body standards for Olympic athletes as well, So 398 00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:06.960 they had very strict standards when it came to these 399 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:11.400 bodies that they would show as these examples of what 400 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:14.640 the society was the ideal of. And in a lot 401 00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:17.519