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<v Speaker 2>Hello, welcome to another episode of Izon. I'm Andy Milbun, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Jason Lyons, I'm Dmitri, Comtacos, Tom tri Andy.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to talk about today?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, the big stuff that's in the news.

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<v Speaker 3>First and foremost is the preemptive strike Israel took on

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<v Speaker 3>Hasbela to avoid a larger attack.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, So here's here's what we know. Although you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Izon stays clear of being on the cusp of breaking news,

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<v Speaker 2>we're more of a we're opinion pundits, right, but we

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<v Speaker 2>are kind of on the cusp of breaking news here

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<v Speaker 2>as we were when the Iranians hit Israel back in April.

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<v Speaker 2>But what it looks like if I was a betting man,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say everything is pointing towards the escalation. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>come back and explain what I mean by that, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm open to challenges, but just by you know, by

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<v Speaker 2>way of background, this morning, the Israeli's launched two ways

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<v Speaker 2>of airborne sorry not airborne, of of bombing attacks using

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<v Speaker 2>fixed wing aircraft. And the first they struck four compounds,

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<v Speaker 2>has bombered compounds, and I think we can assume that

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<v Speaker 2>these were weapons storage places or either places where there

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<v Speaker 2>were a significant number of weapons, but more likely as

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<v Speaker 2>storage or but not see two nodes. Quite interesting, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to come back to that, because it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't look as though Israel really went after his boller's

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<v Speaker 2>infrastructure and went after circling its ability to launch rockets

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<v Speaker 2>from an area within thirty miles of the Israeli water.

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<v Speaker 2>But these strikes were quite limited, even though you will

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<v Speaker 2>see the Israeli spokesman saying quite rightly, you know, hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>we struck thousands of rocket launch sites. Well, what does

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<v Speaker 2>that mean in practice? I'm not Hey, listen, this was

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<v Speaker 2>a big strike, don't get me wrong, and undoubtedly it

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<v Speaker 2>preempted a large his Bolla strike. It was good work

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<v Speaker 2>evidently by Israeli intelligence, good coordination targeting with the air

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<v Speaker 2>force in an area that they are very used to targeting,

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<v Speaker 2>which is which is Lebanon. But but but what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying now is that the kind of the the honor

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<v Speaker 2>has been done by both sides. And now both sides.

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<v Speaker 2>By that I mean specifically in who uh and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>but also you know, the the I d F two.

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<v Speaker 2>But there are factors of factions within netna Who's government

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<v Speaker 2>who don't want to walk that line. They want they

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<v Speaker 2>don't care about plunging the risk of regional war. They

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<v Speaker 2>think that the only solution is to invade Lebanon. Right

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<v Speaker 2>for now, net Who is not on that doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 2>to be representing them. And you know, and for instance,

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<v Speaker 2>he has he's in his own wording today he's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of been almost de escalatory while shun with a very

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<v Speaker 2>stone warning. Okay, so it looks as though I mean

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<v Speaker 2>the the attack that let's step back, Okay, the attack

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<v Speaker 2>that has Bolla planned, right, it may have been, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly they didn't want to tip the scales into regional war.

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<v Speaker 2>They were all directed at military targets, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>it was going to be a significant blow. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>eleven different bases to include, by the way headquartered the

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<v Speaker 2>Mossad headquarters and Clearlite base in Herzalia, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>poorly kept secret and you know that's that's where actually

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<v Speaker 2>the Israelis keep all of that, you know a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of their intelligence agencies Unit eighty two hundred two, which

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<v Speaker 2>is there are you know there signals intelligence, you know

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<v Speaker 2>from within the military. Well, has Polla targeted both those locations.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently fortunately those missiles were either intercepted or foiled. So so,

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<v Speaker 2>while almost simultaneous to these attacks, on the immediate aftermath

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<v Speaker 2>or right of the first wave, has Polla launched an

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<v Speaker 2>estimated three hundred and twenty rockets, All right, that seems

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty exact estimation. Most of these you know, short

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<v Speaker 2>short to short to mid range. Unclear at this stage

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<v Speaker 2>what damage was caused. We do know if casual There

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<v Speaker 2>was at least one civilian casualty in Haifa and Uh

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<v Speaker 2>the Israelis have reported that a a sergeant first class.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a little racing, little strange American is was

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<v Speaker 2>killed and he's actually a sailor. He was killed aboard

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<v Speaker 2>of ships. So we don't know if there's a drone

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<v Speaker 2>attack or what from Azbala. But but the bottom line is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, very low number of casualties on the Israeli side.

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<v Speaker 2>The attack has been foiled. But what is interesting is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the the afterma after this. And I'll pause

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<v Speaker 2>there for a moment because I see you scribbling and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you're writing a fire him.

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<v Speaker 4>No, No, I'm listening intently.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know I'm speculating here. But this from both

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<v Speaker 2>sides is probably the best possible outcome to prevent you know,

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<v Speaker 2>at this stage, his Walla doesn't want to tip the

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<v Speaker 2>balance into full scale regional war without Iran saying that's

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<v Speaker 2>what Iran wants to happen, and Iran hasn't signaled that yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Right Iran is telling the world because remember it still

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<v Speaker 2>has an open account with Israel for the murder of

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<v Speaker 2>no I'm sorry, the assassination in its words, the murder

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<v Speaker 2>of Hana, who was the head of political head of

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas who was killed in Tehran a few weeks ago. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but Iran has kind of been while beating its chest

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<v Speaker 2>as usual about retaliation, has said that it will meter

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't use that, but it will gauge its retaliation

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<v Speaker 2>looking at what is happening at these talks in Cairo.

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<v Speaker 2>So both has Bolla and Iron now are saying much

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<v Speaker 2>hinges on these talks, which, by the way, are kick

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<v Speaker 2>are still going underway right now. The you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>in israelit just spoke a few hours ago the use

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<v Speaker 2>usual kind of bomb bus. But but at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he's saying, hey, for now we have finished.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we have accomplished our mission in retaliating for

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<v Speaker 2>the death of of Shu Shugar right, who was killed

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<v Speaker 2>along within a few hours of Hania a few weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 2>The Israeli's claimed responsibility for killing Shuka, but not for Hania,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for for reasons, probably the good reasons known

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<v Speaker 2>only to them, if indeed they were behind Hernia's assassination.

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<v Speaker 2>In any case, so his Bolla has kind of chalked

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<v Speaker 2>the slate, evenly, wipe the slate clean as for atoning

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<v Speaker 2>for the death or in yet, but I mean a

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<v Speaker 2>tether shaka in its own perhaps in its own eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, for you know, Israel's part gallant, who's

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<v Speaker 2>their defense minister told us defense minister, you know, within

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<v Speaker 2>hours after the strike that he was that he and

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<v Speaker 2>the and the Israeli government were very sensitive to de

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<v Speaker 2>escalating and avoiding regional war. All right, take that as

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<v Speaker 2>you will, but that's what you know, that that is

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<v Speaker 2>what the government is saying. I'll pause for a moment.

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<v Speaker 5>Andy, how much do you believe that the US presence,

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<v Speaker 5>heightened presence there in the last couple of weeks, has

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<v Speaker 5>played a part in both the preemptive strike and the

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<v Speaker 5>measured response from Isabella.

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<v Speaker 2>For the for the first part, I that's a really

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<v Speaker 2>good question. If you mean, has US presidence there kind

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<v Speaker 2>of unboldened the Israelis to to take the strike? I

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I'm speculating, but I would guess not.

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<v Speaker 2>The Israelis, you know, have a history of taking preemptive strikes,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes without even coordinating with the US. You know, they

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<v Speaker 2>kind of just rely on that. And I think, but

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<v Speaker 2>but let me the other part of that, though, there

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<v Speaker 2>is there's one very important caveat if we're talking just

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<v Speaker 2>missile defense capability, defensive capability, Yeah, absolutely, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it would I can't see. That would have been

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<v Speaker 2>a very tough decision for the Israelis to go ahead

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<v Speaker 2>and take that. And and not obviously, as we know,

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<v Speaker 2>because of a threat from Lisbola, but because of a

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<v Speaker 2>threat from Iran, which is the real fear that everyone has.

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<v Speaker 2>That's you know, that's real, the real wild card there.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that's I mean that that's that's a great question.

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<v Speaker 2>But for now things seem to be, you know, relatively quiet. However,

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<v Speaker 2>on on the Israeli side, there are considerable internal tensions, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, as I've said, for the time being, Natania

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<v Speaker 2>who seems to be planting his feet in the camp

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<v Speaker 2>of those who want to you know, who don't want to,

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<v Speaker 2>who want to perhaps avoid going to war now in

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<v Speaker 2>leven of notes, I say now because there are certainly

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<v Speaker 2>a higher percentage of Israelis and it isn't just on

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<v Speaker 2>the right who think that war was inevitable but maybe

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<v Speaker 2>not now, not while Gaza is kind of still continuing,

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<v Speaker 2>all right. And the reason why there is a strong

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<v Speaker 2>impetus within Israel to do that is simply because mensments vary,

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<v Speaker 2>but somewhere between, you know, forty and seventy thousand Israelis

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<v Speaker 2>are still displaced. They can no longer live near the

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<v Speaker 2>border because of the threat of miss rocket and missile attack,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they Israeli see that as a violation. Many Israelis,

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps most, see that as a violation of that ceregnty

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<v Speaker 2>as Is. I mean, they can't live in their own

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<v Speaker 2>in their own country. I'm paraphrasing what they're saying. So

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<v Speaker 2>they are already at war with Hazbola and his Bolla

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<v Speaker 2>would of course say they're already at war with Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>It's you know, this is Mormon, but both sides are

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<v Speaker 2>aware of the walls of the game. We talked about

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<v Speaker 2>this and in the aftermath of a stripe, it just happened.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know this firsthand, but in the aftermath

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<v Speaker 2>a there is a direct line of communication between Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>I well idf Intelligence and his Bolla. As strange as

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<v Speaker 2>that may seem to kind of put in context things

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<v Speaker 2>that have happened. You know that that sounds crazy, right,

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like a kid's game. Hey, dude, here's why we

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<v Speaker 2>took through pieces of your game at board because you

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<v Speaker 2>did this. But you know, notice we'd let your city alone.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, but it is kind of that it's saying,

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<v Speaker 2>here's why we did this, just you know, but we

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<v Speaker 2>haven't struck Beirute, we haven't struck the Becker Valley.

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<v Speaker 4>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>We could anytime we want, and we could destroy your infrastructure,

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<v Speaker 2>but we didn't because we want to wor avoid escalation.

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<v Speaker 2>We suggest that you do the same. And for an

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<v Speaker 2>Azraela's part, as I've said, you know, he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>win some face by claiming more damage than those three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty rockets cause. But at the same time

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<v Speaker 2>he is going to do you know, by saying that

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to say, okay, for the time being, we're done,

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<v Speaker 2>and is going to put the responsibility on Iran publicly

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<v Speaker 2>to make the next move. There's one wild card here

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<v Speaker 2>that is the Houthis obviously who I mean I say

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<v Speaker 2>obviously because of course the Houthi's right who have entered

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<v Speaker 2>stage left saying that hey, by the way, they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to strike Israel again. And whether they do, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>whether what happens and whether Israel response really depends if

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<v Speaker 2>you look at this on on where An israel adversaries strike. Okay, this,

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<v Speaker 2>this may be this may be a code. You know, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure I'm not the only one who's noticed this.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you hit tel Aviv, there's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a response, right if you if you stage there of

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<v Speaker 2>tel Aviv and only hit military targets, it's still going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a response, but it's going to be far less.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the Hooti's case, there may be no response

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<v Speaker 2>at all. You know, I'll give you no example, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the Houthis flew more than one drone into

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<v Speaker 2>a lad right causing casualty. But it took them flying

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<v Speaker 2>one into tel Aviv, into the capital and killing someone

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<v Speaker 2>for the Israelis to go and bomb her data. So

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<v Speaker 2>but but why is that important? Because Hisbola understands that

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<v Speaker 2>that's part of the game. And you'll notice that none

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<v Speaker 2>of these missiles targeted civilian infrastructure in tel Aviv that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the nearest targets were, as I mentioned, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Lila base in Herzlia, which is very nice part

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<v Speaker 2>of Herzelier. I suppose that's a downside though, of paying

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<v Speaker 2>of living there is it's so close to so much

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<v Speaker 2>of Israel's intelligence infrastructure. They've got to live wealth, these

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I wonder what the goalposts are as far as

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<v Speaker 5>it's like, okay, we have these measured we have the

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<v Speaker 5>preemptive strikes, these measured responses. But for those people who've

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<v Speaker 5>been displayed, it's like, okay, you guys are doing this

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<v Speaker 2>When the hell do I get to go home?

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<v Speaker 5>And and what you know, if if Hesboll says, Okay, we're done,

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<v Speaker 5>We're we're gonna stop shooting rockets, but Israel says, well,

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<v Speaker 5>too fucking bad, We're gonna, you know, keep smacking you

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<v Speaker 5>these it seems like these people are never gonna get home.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wonder what the goalpost is for that, you know, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that that's a great question. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>that that's where his baller has the edge because of

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<v Speaker 2>its obligational lack of obligation to civilian population. Right, So

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<v Speaker 2>in the end, Asmala doesn't give a shit about Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 2>He gives a shit about his organization, his balla. He

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't want to Lebanon to be ruined simply because

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<v Speaker 2>it's a haven for his balla. But he doesn't care

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<v Speaker 2>about the population there, and he doesn't care if they've

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<v Speaker 2>been displaced or they continue to be hip ary, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli as strikes. When it comes down to it, he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to be seen to care. But but the Israelis,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And again this is just I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>think stating facts little trickier in a democratic I mean, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>leban is democratic, but there has Bollers hold on Lebanon

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<v Speaker 2>is not democratic, right, But little trickier than when you

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<v Speaker 2>have a democratic government beholden to its citizens trying to

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<v Speaker 2>justify why a sizable portion of that population cannot live

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<v Speaker 2>in that part of the country. You know, surprisingly net

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<v Speaker 2>who is not Again this is just I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>just an objective statement. But now is not actually a

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<v Speaker 2>hawk by background, all right. And some might say because

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<v Speaker 2>he's a political survivor survivor and wars bring an end

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<v Speaker 2>to political careers. But here he's trying to walk. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's not because he's necessarily a passive. But in this

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<v Speaker 2>particular case, he is trying to walk a line between

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<v Speaker 2>those who are calling for all out war now and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and those who are our urging caution you,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least until the idea has had a chance

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<v Speaker 2>to regroup and recover from Gazan, which it has not.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it hasn't done so yet. I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's an issue that doesn't really get stated enough.

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<v Speaker 5>Nice, Yeah, I get. I keep going back to these

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<v Speaker 5>displaced settlers. It's like, how many times are they going

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<v Speaker 5>to be, you know, be able to put up with Hey,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, and all's quiet, moved back home and then

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<v Speaker 5>Heswell I was like, oh no, the hell is not

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<v Speaker 5>and then they start, you know, throwing rockets again, and

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<v Speaker 5>they got to re you know, re relocate and all

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<v Speaker 5>this stuff. It's just this back and forth. It just

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<v Speaker 5>like you said, it's all to Heswell's advantage.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an intractable problem because you can't although okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>forget which un resolution it was hurt, But there's un

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<v Speaker 2>resolution basically that establishes UNIFIL and pushes and says basically

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<v Speaker 2>that's that forbids operations of armed militia within thirty miles

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<v Speaker 2>of the border. I think it uses the Tawny Rivers

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<v Speaker 2>as kind of the limit for armed militias coming south.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, that has never been enforced me, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because his ball is strong in Soudain eleven. But the

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<v Speaker 2>reason why it's strong is because the fighters are from

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<v Speaker 2>that area. You know, you can't you can't move his

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<v Speaker 2>bolla north from the border because they live there, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with their families and everything. That's I mean, his bolla

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<v Speaker 2>is like what they do for most of them hard time,

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<v Speaker 2>but nevertheless that's you know, they they they're an integral

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<v Speaker 2>part of the landscape there. But as far as civilian populations, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's sadly in southern Leven and it's the

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<v Speaker 2>poorest who can't move and don't have shelters and are

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<v Speaker 2>still stuck in you know, the towns like the one

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<v Speaker 2>that was that was struck today and and Mansouri, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean Massori still has a significant population

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<v Speaker 2>there simply because they don't have anywhere to go. They

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<v Speaker 2>can't move. And on the Israeli side, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean there are again I mean not it Israeli is

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<v Speaker 2>aren't all rich by any means, and many of them

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<v Speaker 2>can't afford to move either. I mean, the population, large

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<v Speaker 2>segment of population lived is still there and a number

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<v Speaker 2>of them, you know, don't have shelters don't have things

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<v Speaker 2>sent that they're supposed to do. Uh So, yeah, in

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<v Speaker 2>the end, it's civilian populations on both sides whose suffer.

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<v Speaker 2>But the impact that that has kind of on the

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<v Speaker 2>warfighter or or that people who decide whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>to go to war. It's like you have a greater

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<v Speaker 2>impact in Israel and it's likely to be on the

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<v Speaker 2>side of the hawks. That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a question regarding Gaza. I mean you mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>like you know, the IDEF wanting to like reset and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, lick its wounds and you know, refresh how

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<v Speaker 3>many how many soldiers ballpark are down in Gaza right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it still going on as the fighting still like

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<v Speaker 3>Beers as it slowed down. Is there a lull like

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<v Speaker 3>where they act exactly like on the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so they they've gone roughly. It's difficult to tell

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<v Speaker 2>them because they've got believe two the Vision headquarters. But

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like only kind of a brigade reinforced either

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<v Speaker 2>around or in Gaza. And you know, you can quit

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<v Speaker 2>all with that. You go back and forth where who's

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<v Speaker 2>within or or not. But they you know, they've got

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<v Speaker 2>they're holding crucially, they're holding the Philadelphia Coradel still, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a cause of contention in the peace talks. It

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<v Speaker 2>scores a contention of Egypt to some extent, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's a it's become a point of contention too. And

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<v Speaker 2>then in the peace talks because the Israelis insists that

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<v Speaker 2>they want to remain there. Indeed, they assist they need

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<v Speaker 2>to remain in guards for itself. Right now, as I've said,

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<v Speaker 2>they've got brigades boys outside they've got and they've got

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<v Speaker 2>a brigade plus in the north, in the northern part,

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<v Speaker 2>and then one that's just within kind of the city

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<v Speaker 2>boundaries midway, so they you know, that within and striking

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<v Speaker 2>distance of any part of Gaza, either within that or

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<v Speaker 2>just outside. What's sort of fighting verry for a little

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<v Speaker 2>ground fighting, you know, is taking place at all in

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<v Speaker 2>the last certainly in the last a few days. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the Israelis continued strikes, but it's as far as fighting, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been it's been quiet. But nevertheless, I mean Gaza,

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<v Speaker 2>a campaign that has gone now for ten months, right

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<v Speaker 2>has trained the IDF and for a force that relies

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<v Speaker 2>heavily on its reserves, it's had a heavy, heavy impact

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<v Speaker 2>on the economy, right by the way, that is another

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<v Speaker 2>reason why that there's a strong impetus within Israel not

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<v Speaker 2>to go to war in Lebanon right now, because war

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<v Speaker 2>is awful for the economy. You start getting hit by

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<v Speaker 2>or you just have the threat of missing one rocket attacks,

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<v Speaker 2>or you're a country at wall, then you have to

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<v Speaker 2>close down your airport. Well, Ben Gurin was closed down

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<v Speaker 2>for a few hours today and you know you could

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<v Speaker 2>see on on kind of the Twitter space, the the

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<v Speaker 2>frantic calls for it to be open, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that's just a few hours. So it's there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of factors here at play, but they all kind

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<v Speaker 2>of line up behind this, these attacks today being pointing

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<v Speaker 2>towards the escalation. I hope obviously, I hope I'm right.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say I won't, I won't ventures to

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<v Speaker 2>display on that.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, so the attack, the attack today was basically

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they were they were staging right for a

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<v Speaker 3>larger missile and rocket attack on Israel.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and Israel hit them.

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<v Speaker 3>Just the fact that Israel was able to like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>see it or just you know from their singing or wherever,

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<v Speaker 3>and be able to destroy it. That you think that'll

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<v Speaker 3>deter them from trying to launch another large scale attack.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, is that the whole I mean, they you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the it this certainly. I mean, we'll see how preemptive

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<v Speaker 2>this was. And I have no way, we have no

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<v Speaker 2>way of telling how successful this attack was. But if

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<v Speaker 2>we take you know, the IDEF had its worth, then yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this was this was really good intel. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not but a couple of things. One is that

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<v Speaker 2>Lebanon has been the focus for the IDEAS intelligence focus

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<v Speaker 2>since you know, nineteen eighty two. Her mas Her mass

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<v Speaker 2>was never kind of a blip on the horizon there,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, in the words of one IDEF general

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<v Speaker 2>commented to me, he said, hey, look, we've got more

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<v Speaker 2>don't have the time and we don't have the resources.

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<v Speaker 2>And they, you know, and so they're continuously perfecting and

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<v Speaker 2>refining these targets. Now, when you're talking about rocket launch sites,

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<v Speaker 2>those are really transitory. So it's difficult to assess what

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<v Speaker 2>we call bda battle damage assessment on what were the

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<v Speaker 2>real effects of this. And it's not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>in tonnage of bombs or areas destroyed. It's really hard

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<v Speaker 2>to tell what the preemptive effect is, except you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in kind of interestingly enough, I think in the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that Hospollow was unable to launch a concerted counterattack. Okay

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<v Speaker 2>number one, you know if it had missiles at hand

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<v Speaker 2>that had survived, and it certainly would have done so.

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<v Speaker 2>And scondly is the kind of the wording I mean

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<v Speaker 2>of coming from Israela. If if there was more to come,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a Sunday punch was still waiting, then then I

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<v Speaker 2>know in ISRAELA wouldn't be using this kind of de

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<v Speaker 2>escalatory language that he did today. That's just my hunch.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Ok I went from my entire career without saying that's

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<v Speaker 2>my hunch. I may I may have said up once

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<v Speaker 3>Outside of that h andy matcher before the show, talking

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<v Speaker 3>a bit about some curse stuff where the Ukrainians have

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<v Speaker 3>seemed to develop and used a jet power drone in Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so, I don't know. I'm sure this has

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<v Speaker 4>In the States if taking it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I'm going to mispronounce the name of the

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<v Speaker 2>but I've I've heard this name before. But they've developed

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<v Speaker 2>a jet engined drone missile. All right, So basically it's

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<v Speaker 2>a long range, precision strength drone with a jet engine.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, think I suppose of the V two. If

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<v Speaker 2>it was that that was precision guided, someone's going to

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<v Speaker 2>beat me up for using that. But but in any case, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>something that is supremely accurate and causes a huge amount

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<v Speaker 2>of destruction for a drone and travels to its target

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<v Speaker 2>very very quickly, you know. I mean you've all had

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<v Speaker 2>experienced in drones. One of the hallmark features is that

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<v Speaker 2>they you know that you can is their sound. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying you wouldn't hear this these drones. I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>saying by the time you heard it, it doesn't leave

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<v Speaker 2>you much time to react. And they're cool. Palaian nitsa,

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<v Speaker 2>Palaian nits.

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<v Speaker 4>Yah very good.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So this the reason why I've heard this term

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<v Speaker 2>because it was used as a password at Ukrainian checkpoints

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00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:19.799
<v Speaker 2>because Russians cannot say certain words or certain so something

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<v Speaker 2>in Paliantsia the Russians struggle to say.

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<v Speaker 4>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I can't remember why.

429
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:32.359
<v Speaker 2>It means a loaf of bread, so.

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<v Speaker 4>The accent would be obvious. I know.

431
00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:37.839
<v Speaker 2>I think that they just can't say something there. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we have it. Find it really hard to

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<v Speaker 2>say that an Arabic or roll our eyes if they're

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<v Speaker 2>not Hispanic. I mean, that's what I'm guessing. I don't know. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm looking at an article. It's from the q Post

436
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<v Speaker 5>and it says Russians will soon learn to pronounce Polyian.

437
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<v Speaker 5>Whatever you say, Ukraine's new jet propelled drome.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I love it, all right, they will learn anyway.

439
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<v Speaker 2>So it's already hit one of these already hit an

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<v Speaker 2>ammunition depot in inside Russia. Uh, it was like two

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<v Speaker 2>days ago, and apparently witnesses reported that they've heard jet

442
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:21.920
<v Speaker 2>engines inbound. So they thought that, you know that it

443
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<v Speaker 2>must be a fixed wing aircraft, a fixed wing aircraft attack,

444
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:27.720
<v Speaker 2>and that's how it was reported. Turns out that this

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<v Speaker 2>was drones. So yeah, you know, you think, well, now

446
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:36.400
<v Speaker 2>it's not only the fact that they can can hit

447
00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:40.119
<v Speaker 2>their targets very quickly, high impact, blah blah blah, but

448
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:43.200
<v Speaker 2>you've got the deception factor that they selled at least,

449
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:46.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, like like fixed wing aircraft. I don't know

450
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:49.480
<v Speaker 2>how they show up on on radar, but you've got

451
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:56.039
<v Speaker 2>the fact that they're now probably diverting resources. So you know,

452
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like like the Cursedkin cursion, this is great

453
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:04.759
<v Speaker 2>news and it's almost a distraction though from what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on in in Dombas. Don't get me wrong, I think

455
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<v Speaker 2>this is look look, being being able to to strike

456
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:17.400
<v Speaker 2>targets within Russia, I think really ratchet out the tension

457
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<v Speaker 2>even more on Poutin. And you just have to you

458
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<v Speaker 2>just have to watch how he reacts to threats to

459
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<v Speaker 2>Russian soil. At the beginning of the incursion to curse,

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<v Speaker 2>he's caught on I think it was online TikTok video,

461
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:36.000
<v Speaker 2>yelling and screaming at his at his commanders. You know,

462
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:39.720
<v Speaker 2>it's like it's like a scene what's that horrible hackneyed

463
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<v Speaker 2>Hitler movie Downfall. Yeah, it's like a bunk doubtful. Yeah,

464
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<v Speaker 2>So he's you know, I mean, there's no doubt about it.

465
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<v Speaker 2>He this is really this is really putting him, and

466
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<v Speaker 2>the Ukrainians know that, and then they're going to keep

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<v Speaker 2>watching it up. But and the same thing now, the

468
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:09.839
<v Speaker 2>psychological factor of having your own cities hit by these

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<v Speaker 2>drones and a little cost or i mean relatively little

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<v Speaker 2>cost or risk to the Ukrainians. It could possibly in

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<v Speaker 2>the course of the next year, turn the tide on

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<v Speaker 2>the Russians as far as you know the missile war,

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<v Speaker 2>it could, although that depends on a number of things,

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<v Speaker 2>like the Ukrainians getting had a quit I mean more

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00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:41.559
<v Speaker 2>missile defenses. But the problem is this, So all of

476
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<v Speaker 2>this is going on, and the Russians have according to

477
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<v Speaker 2>the British papers this morning, they're within five miles. All right,

478
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<v Speaker 2>that's eight kilometers for those of you who struggle with

479
00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:03.799
<v Speaker 2>the imperial system, eight miles of Pokrovsk. Pokrovsk is a

480
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:07.119
<v Speaker 2>town I'm very familiar with. I've spent a richie and

481
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:09.839
<v Speaker 2>I have spent a lot of time there in a

482
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:14.880
<v Speaker 2>dreadful hotel that reminded me of forty towns. Anyway, I digress.

483
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<v Speaker 2>But no one wants to afford to the Russians they're

484
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:22.480
<v Speaker 2>within five miles. Why does that matter? Because pot Rovsk

485
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<v Speaker 2>and Kramatosk are the only the two major cities left

486
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<v Speaker 2>in Dombas and once they have fallen, then you know,

487
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Putin can can pretty much claim that he has captured

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<v Speaker 2>all of that region of Ukraine, which is one of

489
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:43.519
<v Speaker 2>his stated war aims, and be a huge blow I

490
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:49.119
<v Speaker 2>mean materially, but the psychologically too for the Ukrainians, so

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00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:53.799
<v Speaker 2>that you know that all of these things are you know,

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00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:59.119
<v Speaker 2>uplift the soul to see Ukrainian troops holding I mean

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00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:02.480
<v Speaker 2>it's the significant out of land. It's five hundred squam

494
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<v Speaker 2>milels of Russian territory, the holding like ninety three settlements

495
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:11.279
<v Speaker 2>they've captured, uh since six August, so what's then?

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, and having they evacuated like over one hundred

497
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<v Speaker 3>thousand Russians too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean you know, I mean I almost

499
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<v Speaker 2>thought that the it was I almost wanted it off

500
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:24.720
<v Speaker 2>of help a that as the Mozart group, but I

501
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:27.599
<v Speaker 2>just thought that the name might not help us there.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a joke, you know, sorry, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>Is the aim of like part part partial aim of

504
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<v Speaker 3>this encouraging it to Kursk and trying to gobble up

505
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:43.720
<v Speaker 3>as much land as possible if they can hold it,

506
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:47.519
<v Speaker 3>is it like a chip for negotiation later down the road.

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<v Speaker 3>I know they were going to negotiate recently about like

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<v Speaker 3>not hitting infrastructure or like nuke plants or something like that,

509
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<v Speaker 3>and that stopped because of Kirks.

510
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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, that's saying I think that's one fact.

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe not as a well, yeah, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>potential chip.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess medium and long term.

514
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, improve Ukraine's standing ahead of potential peace talks. So that's,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I'm not saying that's the most important one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's probably number three, But I think number one is

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<v Speaker 2>forced Russia to divert troops from Ukraine's east, from Dombas,

518
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<v Speaker 2>and to some extent it has been able to do

519
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:32.559
<v Speaker 2>so hard to tell. I mean it, Russia has diverted

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00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:37.079
<v Speaker 2>troops from from Dombas, not in time to prevent Ukrainian advance,

521
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:39.800
<v Speaker 2>but it's difficult to see if that is actually slowed

522
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:45.159
<v Speaker 2>down the Russian advance and Dombas. Okay. Nevertheless, yeah, it's

523
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:50.119
<v Speaker 2>it's certain. I think it's certain to have slowed down

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<v Speaker 2>and thus reduced the Russian threat to pop Rosk, which

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<v Speaker 2>I just mentioned, all right, So that makes sense. And secondly,

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<v Speaker 2>is it's kind of you know, change Ukraine's narrative of

527
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:10.880
<v Speaker 2>battlefield defeat, which has kind of been hanging over it

528
00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:18.320
<v Speaker 2>since the offensive of last summer failed. You know, put

529
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<v Speaker 2>it out is a better way to put it. In

530
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<v Speaker 2>the fall of last year, right, and Ukraine needs a

531
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:31.679
<v Speaker 2>story of resilience. More than resilience, you know, a win.

532
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:36.840
<v Speaker 2>In the same way, remember that the stories of Ukrainian

533
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:42.119
<v Speaker 2>soldier civilians fighting off Russian tank columns north of Kiev

534
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:44.920
<v Speaker 2>in the open days of the war inspired the world,

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<v Speaker 2>I think in the same way. That's you know what

536
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:51.039
<v Speaker 2>what the Ukrainians are looking for, and it's more than

537
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:58.800
<v Speaker 2>feel good. The Zelenski took you know, yesterday was Ukrainian

538
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:03.440
<v Speaker 2>in the end, It's day, right, So Zelenski, on Ukrainian

539
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Independence Day, to some people's surprise in the West, reiterated

540
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:15.920
<v Speaker 2>the fact that that Ukraine would not settle while the

541
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Russians held you know, any part of Ukraine. And to

542
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:27.159
<v Speaker 2>that point there had been some speculation that he might

543
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:31.400
<v Speaker 2>start seating or talking about seating some of the four

544
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:35.880
<v Speaker 2>regions currently occupied by Moscow in exchange for peace. But

545
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:40.480
<v Speaker 2>absolutely the opposite of that. There's a message of defiance

546
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:47.960
<v Speaker 2>on that day. So you know, along with that, along

547
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:51.599
<v Speaker 2>with that message comes this incursion, the curse and now

548
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:58.039
<v Speaker 2>the ability to hit Russian cities, Russian infrastructure. Probably not

549
00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:03.719
<v Speaker 2>at scale yet, but if the Ukrainians have you know, Ukrainians,

550
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:06.440
<v Speaker 2>being who they are, I'm sure will innovate so that

551
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.840
<v Speaker 2>they are producing these things at scale. It's had enough

552
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:12.440
<v Speaker 2>to change the tide of the wall. I don't know,

553
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:16.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, probably not. Other factors will come into play.

554
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<v Speaker 2>But but in the end, I am optimistic, you know,

555
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:25.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think, I think that the that you know,

556
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:28.960
<v Speaker 2>hard times are not over. Far from it. Ukraine's facing

557
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:32.239
<v Speaker 2>a manpower crunch, which is something I wrote about about

558
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:35.960
<v Speaker 2>a year ago, but it's really hitting them hard now.

559
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<v Speaker 2>And you know, they're trying to chase down the six

560
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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand or so men who eligible from military age,

561
00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:52.639
<v Speaker 2>who either who who supposedly left the country, you know,

562
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.440
<v Speaker 2>the working on ways to compel them to return.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're also widening the age, increasing the age and

565
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:06.440
<v Speaker 2>widening the age for or for conscription. Their ability to

566
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:10.079
<v Speaker 2>get these guys trained, equipped in the line in time,

567
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:15.719
<v Speaker 2>their ability to get critical weapons systems in their hands,

568
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.119
<v Speaker 2>and sufficient quantity to prevent the Russians adapting and talking

569
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:24.760
<v Speaker 2>air events, but also long range precision strike. I know

570
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:28.920
<v Speaker 2>there's a conversation with uk now about storm shadow missiles.

571
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:32.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, see, Ukraine is trying to prepare for the

572
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:35.159
<v Speaker 2>possibility that US will no longer be able to support

573
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:41.199
<v Speaker 2>it after ourcoming election. So all of these things are

574
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<v Speaker 2>unfolding in the background and undoubtedly had influence on, you know,

575
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<v Speaker 2>on Zelenski's decision to launch this incursion into into Russia.

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<v Speaker 5>And on top of all that, correct me if I'm

577
00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:59.920
<v Speaker 5>wrong that coming a winner will probably put a big

578
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<v Speaker 5>drawn a lot of this right.

579
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know. The funny thing is everyone predicts things

580
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:13.239
<v Speaker 2>in winter in Ukraine and Russia, and to include me,

581
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:22.119
<v Speaker 2>and it's really I can't. I can't point of the

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00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:25.079
<v Speaker 2>fact that operations have slowed down much at all because

583
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:28.679
<v Speaker 2>of the weather there. You know, I'm thinking for a moment,

584
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:34.440
<v Speaker 2>it's undoubtedly true that that Dombas becomes just this huge

585
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:37.039
<v Speaker 2>slush pit of mud. This is one of the reasons,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way that n one e ones are are

587
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:44.079
<v Speaker 2>struggling there feeling there. It's very interesting. It's because while

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00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:47.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, the Russian made or the smaller, lighter European

589
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:52.719
<v Speaker 2>tanks are are doing much better because our tanks were

590
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:56.239
<v Speaker 2>made for you know, they were made for the planes

591
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:59.920
<v Speaker 2>of northern Europe and then they've been on that test

592
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:04.760
<v Speaker 2>did and hard packed sand and tarmac, but they haven't

593
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.519
<v Speaker 2>had to go to war in a place like you know,

594
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<v Speaker 2>the Dombas and Ukraine, which is literally I mean it's

595
00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:14.119
<v Speaker 2>like a roller coaster of mud pits. It's like one

596
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:18.519
<v Speaker 2>of those it looks like the course of the mud run,

597
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<v Speaker 2>you know, wherever you're driving, it's hard to get through

598
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<v Speaker 2>the best of times. So, yes, so the N one

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<v Speaker 2>A one failed there and the Ukraine is very reliant

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<v Speaker 2>on you know, on the I don't know, I've heard

601
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<v Speaker 2>the Leopard is performing much better, but also on you know,

602
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<v Speaker 2>their own legacy, the Soviet model tanks. I think the

603
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<v Speaker 2>British challenger to challenger the challenger to to anyway, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a question, what's that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like, uh so, some of the weapons systems that

606
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<v Speaker 3>Ukraine has gotten from the West, are they range wise

607
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:05.519
<v Speaker 3>able to like at least even threaten Moscow from Kursk

608
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:08.440
<v Speaker 3>or no, Are now they allowed to do it? Like well,

609
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:11.679
<v Speaker 3>the US and NATO overall be like, yeah, it's okay,

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00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:15.280
<v Speaker 3>you can shoot our weapons as deep into Russia as possible.

611
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:18.519
<v Speaker 3>Because there was a bit about in Politico where they

612
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<v Speaker 3>US didn't want that to happen because they're looking to

613
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<v Speaker 3>reset relations with Moscow with Russia, which is wild to me, Like,

614
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:28.559
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how you don't. The only really reset

615
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:31.039
<v Speaker 3>relations if if Putin's gone.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so the Ukrainians have shown that they can

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<v Speaker 2>already range Moscow with drones at least, and i'd have

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<v Speaker 2>to so, you know, one of our listeners can can

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<v Speaker 2>probably correct me. But I believe, I believe that the

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<v Speaker 2>storm shadow is would enable them to strike Moscow, right so,

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<v Speaker 2>but wardless, Yeah, with unmanned systems, they can already do so,

622
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<v Speaker 2>and they've already done so I think your question pertains

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<v Speaker 2>to NATO manufactured weapons. Right now, there's a prohibition on

624
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<v Speaker 2>those being used within Russia, although although the US administration

625
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<v Speaker 2>just in retrospect waived that requirement for the Striker vehicle,

626
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<v Speaker 2>which is which is sitting on Russian soil right now,

627
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<v Speaker 2>Vicinity of curse. Yeah, after those pictures emerged, we got

628
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<v Speaker 2>the that that waiver came out pretty quickly. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>armored personnel cares, that's not a problem. But we didn't

630
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<v Speaker 2>envision that we were talking about long range. So you'll

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<v Speaker 2>see in for instance, the British papers are Selenski appealing

632
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<v Speaker 2>directly to the new British Prime Minister Keir Starmer, saying

633
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<v Speaker 2>who's a labor prime Minister regardless. You know, unlike here,

634
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<v Speaker 2>both sides in the UK, Labor and Conservative are very

635
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<v Speaker 2>storm supporters of Ukraine and anti Russia. So Zelensky has

636
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<v Speaker 2>reached out to the British Prime Minister specifically about storm Shadow,

637
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<v Speaker 2>asking hey, can we get more storm shadow and permission

638
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<v Speaker 2>to hit targets within Russia?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Right now that's a prohibition, but they also the other

641
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<v Speaker 2>So storm Shadow keeps coming up because it is a

642
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<v Speaker 2>it's an incredibly I mean, it's you know, I hate

643
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<v Speaker 2>to use the state of the art, but it's extremely capable,

644
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<v Speaker 2>and you know, it's it's a different capacity by far

645
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<v Speaker 2>than you know, when we talk about attacks and things

646
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<v Speaker 2>like that, storm Shadow and in the quantities, I don't

647
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<v Speaker 2>want to misquote, but I believe, I believe that the

648
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<v Speaker 2>UK only had twelve hundred and they gave Ukraine something

649
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<v Speaker 2>an unknown quantity, but UK saying up to three quarters

650
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<v Speaker 2>of that number, who knows, Wow, But they gave him

651
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<v Speaker 2>a shitload and they gave them a big percentage of

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<v Speaker 2>what they have. But now so now the question of hey,

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<v Speaker 2>can we use these now to hit targets in Russia

654
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<v Speaker 2>is a significant question. Right Previously they're allowed to the

655
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<v Speaker 2>Brits said you can hit targets, you know, in Crimea,

656
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<v Speaker 2>but but not Russia itself. There are those in Ukraine

657
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<v Speaker 2>who say that that in conjunction you know, with the

658
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<v Speaker 2>F sixteen's coming in, in conjunction with ramped up production

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<v Speaker 2>of one five five rounds, you know, imported one five

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<v Speaker 2>five rounds from Europe as well as the US. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>all of these things are are combining to to give

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<v Speaker 2>Ukraine a better edge in twenty twenty five. And of course,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think there's a good rational that who

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<v Speaker 2>that right? I hope too, you know, putin chokes and

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<v Speaker 2>buys on a chicken bone in front of front of

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<v Speaker 2>his family. Yeah, but I can't.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I can't do that.

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<v Speaker 3>That political article is wild to me. How they you know,

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<v Speaker 3>US is hoping for a reset with the relations with Russia.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that's they can't with the current regime. There's

671
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<v Speaker 3>no way they could reset relations. Like, let's be honest here, Yeah,

672
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<v Speaker 3>I it just seems like a crazy It just seems

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<v Speaker 3>like so far fetched and like, yeah, pipe dream and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's beyond my can maybe you know, maybe maybe if

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<v Speaker 2>someone it's just put in the side. But know, it's

676
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<v Speaker 2>something not with this guy. Yeah, but you know who knows.

677
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I see that you've had. I mean, there

678
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<v Speaker 2>are definitely people in this country who support Russia. You know,

679
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<v Speaker 2>you've had one of your one of your longtime guests, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Not back then, like he's a friend of ours, brother

681
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<v Speaker 3>and vestigator, he and he was here before my time.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me put that.

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<v Speaker 2>Out there, and it's all these disclaimers. I'm just going

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<v Speaker 2>to being investigated for his contacts with Russian state media.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, got d Yeah, yeah, so it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Very interesting actually on that point. As preceding that, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is long overture was a it's not a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a state of finding is the wrong word, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was a it was ah, it was a US government,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, official statement saying that Russian media services, and

691
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<v Speaker 2>it singled out RT were armed for the Russian government

692
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<v Speaker 2>or were armed for the Russian Intelligence Service, right, which

693
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<v Speaker 2>is I mean, it's kind of an obvious statement, but

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<v Speaker 2>but it but it say it made that comment for

695
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<v Speaker 2>a reason because you've got all these dudes who kind

696
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<v Speaker 2>of flirt round with RT and do interviews or even

697
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<v Speaker 2>host interviews and do things as though it's okay, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know. I can't come in about what

699
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<v Speaker 2>the you know, investigating Scott Ridder and this other dude.

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<v Speaker 4>For well, they raided his home, right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Particular, but you and I both know there are many

702
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<v Speaker 2>others who he dunce, who call themselves Americans and have

703
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<v Speaker 2>been very pro Russian throughout this whole sorry debacles.

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<v Speaker 3>Frankly, I think people like Scott Ridder, especially for him

705
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<v Speaker 3>about like he had his deal with his like sexual

706
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<v Speaker 3>abuse cases and all that stuff, you know, dirtbag stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>He's an absolute monster if you ask me, and nobody

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<v Speaker 3>would touch him. Russia would and he's got a butter.

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<v Speaker 2>His Well, well that's not true. The team house in

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<v Speaker 2>Russian was talking about it.

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<v Speaker 4>It was before my time, dude.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, so people don't know Scott Ridder was a

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<v Speaker 3>un weapons it's man. Yeah, and uh report sortily an

714
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<v Speaker 3>Iraqi agent. I have that on a good source. Yeah, yeah,

715
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<v Speaker 3>I heard that. I'll say what the CIA guys tell me.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was in the press.

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<v Speaker 4>It was not Jason.

718
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<v Speaker 2>Hemp in Iracky and a Russian agent.

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<v Speaker 4>Well during the Iraq War. It's a trifective. You have

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<v Speaker 4>that on your.

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<v Speaker 2>Marine officer, that's the horness part right, Yeah, is the

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<v Speaker 2>marine man.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you had mentioned. I didn't know that he

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<v Speaker 4>was or wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think something was. I think I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I companed myself to look him up on Wikipedia right now. Yeah, no,

727
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<v Speaker 2>but but I believe it was.

728
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<v Speaker 3>But there is a loud minority of folks out there

729
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<v Speaker 3>in the United States that are American journalist quote unquote

730
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<v Speaker 3>pundits that are full throated uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeahs and Russia.

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<v Speaker 4>It's kind of wild to me. Like you saw Tim.

733
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<v Speaker 2>Poole, who was a falling victim to uh one.

734
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:57.280
<v Speaker 3>Tim Poole had a clip that came out yesterday where

735
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<v Speaker 3>he was like seething about the curse concursion and that

736
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<v Speaker 3>Ukraine was a terrorist state invading a fucking foreign country,

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<v Speaker 3>Like where have you been the last literally? Like now,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying Tim Poole, he's a he's a relatively

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<v Speaker 3>popular right wing I would say, uh commentator, Oh okay.

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<v Speaker 4>He was seething.

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<v Speaker 2>If we were if we took like an extreme right

742
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<v Speaker 2>wing like I mean not right wing, extreme right wing,

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<v Speaker 2>but if we were right to wing, or if we

744
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<v Speaker 2>took a stance politically rash, please do not do that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I did not say extreme right wing, but more

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<v Speaker 2>of a right wing position. I think certainly that would

747
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<v Speaker 2>make us perhaps more popular.

748
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<v Speaker 4>With our question. Yeah, but yeah, we'd be riding in

749
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<v Speaker 4>jet skis.

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<v Speaker 2>But we like you know, we like a well balanced

751
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<v Speaker 2>Tony ends, we like.

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<v Speaker 3>The the value even eyes on and also the team house,

753
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<v Speaker 3>like if we went if we went right of center

754
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<v Speaker 3>a writer writer, yeah, we would probably make a lot

755
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<v Speaker 3>more money. And it's hampered growth, but like we're not

756
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<v Speaker 3>doing it for growth for growth's sake, right, We're trying

757
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<v Speaker 3>to be as down the pipe as possible. We'll sometimes

758
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<v Speaker 3>have right wingers on, well sometimes I have left he's on,

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<v Speaker 3>and for the most part, like especially teamhouse, most most

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<v Speaker 3>mill guys and CIA guys are, like you said last week,

761
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<v Speaker 3>are right of center. They're not full on you know,

762
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<v Speaker 3>goose step right of center, but right of center. If

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<v Speaker 3>you're in the you know that's understandable. So that's where

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<v Speaker 3>we try to keep it. And it's hampered our growth

765
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<v Speaker 3>in terms of like money or like subscribers and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>If you started talking about UFOs and you know, right,

767
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<v Speaker 3>we would be, Yeah, we'd be. I swear to god,

768
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<v Speaker 3>we'd each have jet skis.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I personally don't give a ship either way about

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<v Speaker 5>being popular.

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<v Speaker 4>So right, I would love a jet Ski, but I

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<v Speaker 4>want to do for the reason.

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<v Speaker 2>I know jet Ski too. Yeah, just isn't popularity. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, it's a right, you know, I'd like I like,

775
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:10.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, our fan base are the intelligentsia, right, sure? Yeah?

776
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:14.599
<v Speaker 2>We I know we we don't. You know. We have

777
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<v Speaker 2>a very strict no insel policy, which I think has

778
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<v Speaker 2>cut down a lot of people who watched the Team House.

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<v Speaker 2>But but I'm glad, you know, I think that's so. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we can hold on to our audience out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much, by the way, we do appreciate

782
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<v Speaker 3>it always the support.

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<v Speaker 4>Andy Milburn, what do we got cooking? What do we have?

784
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<v Speaker 3>A great substack article you put out? Check out a

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00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:42.199
<v Speaker 3>substack it's down in the description.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, please still read it.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a great article inside of what went down,

788
00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:49.440
<v Speaker 3>and there's a bit more's insight also in his last

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<v Speaker 3>episode of the Team House or check that out as

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<v Speaker 3>well of.

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<v Speaker 2>My life the scariest and it had nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with combat.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, enough bound all right, what else we got?

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<v Speaker 3>Jason has no Instagram or Twitter, no insta I know,

795
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<v Speaker 3>but you'd want it out you want it out there.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, let me alone.

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<v Speaker 3>Patreon dot com slash the teamhouse very important. Yeah, if

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00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:21.320
<v Speaker 3>you're enjoying the show, that's the best place to support

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00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:24.119
<v Speaker 3>is patreon dot com slash team. The link is in

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<v Speaker 3>the description. Don't forget to like, don't forget to subscribe.

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00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.239
<v Speaker 3>That's also important. If you can't afford the Patreon, no

802
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:34.679
<v Speaker 3>worries like subscribe, share it, Tell your friend, tell your mother, uh,

803
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:39.880
<v Speaker 3>tell whoever honestly will listen. And yeah, I appreciate it,

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>I am pushing for us to do another well like

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<v Speaker 5>Andy's Israeli live broadcast, but not in that sense of urgency.

807
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<v Speaker 5>I'd like to do something on location somewhere, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Just all together, or like somewhere I go war zone.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it can be a war zone.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm good on that, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm okay, all right, Well, but yeah, I'm having to

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<v Speaker 2>do let's do when the next episode is going to

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<v Speaker 2>come from?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so let's think about sometime in the fall doing

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<v Speaker 3>something live altogether.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds cool, Okay? Should we wrap up?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks guys, before we commit a sales to some Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>Okay everyone, thanks, okay, thanks very much everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>To see you next week.