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<v Speaker 1>What is fear? And I don't mean by definition, but

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<v Speaker 1>actually at the root of it, What is fear? What

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<v Speaker 1>makes us afraid of something? Is it really just a

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<v Speaker 1>clown or spiders? Does how high we are off the

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<v Speaker 1>ground really account for how scared we are? I think

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<v Speaker 1>fear is much more than that. I think it's the unknown.

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<v Speaker 1>We are fearful and afraid of the things we can't explain.

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<v Speaker 1>In the case of Jason Landry, the unknown is everything,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that is what makes this case so scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Warning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast contains graphic content and material intended for

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<v Speaker 1>a mature audience. Listener discretion is advised. Hey, what's up.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and Grim.

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<v Speaker 1>A true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow what I was just gonna give you mad props.

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<v Speaker 2>That was an amazing intro. I feel like that might

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<v Speaker 2>be our best one yet.

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<v Speaker 1>And then then I fucked it up with a coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a slurp in your straw.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I've got like a leader of ice coffee here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be wired all night.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're living your best life over there, right. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't actually drink coffee for anyone that doesn't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I will drink ice coffee occasionally, occasionally, occasionally occasionally, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's half milk, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, when you do ice coffee, there's.

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<v Speaker 2>Not quite as intensive.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like half of the coffee. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>so many different things you can add to it. This

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<v Speaker 1>one I've I basically it's got milk with a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of like Irish cream flavor in it, and then

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<v Speaker 1>like two pumps of vanilla and then.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you think Myers Starbucks are extra, that's extra.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean? It's a leader of fucking iced coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course it's extra. And it's eight thirty pm, of

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<v Speaker 1>course it's I know.

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<v Speaker 2>And you wonder why some names you sleep like shit?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fair enough. How's it going, guys? Hopefully you're having

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<v Speaker 1>a good day. Hopefully things are awesome on your end.

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<v Speaker 1>We're having good good times over here, clearly, clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, always learn our best life.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred and ten person.

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<v Speaker 2>Not always can't be always.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we try to.

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<v Speaker 2>We try to put it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, we didn't figure out where we were on the

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<v Speaker 1>Patreon list because we got.

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<v Speaker 2>Patriots to think.

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<v Speaker 1>I texted, Yeah, you texted you got to tell me

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<v Speaker 1>where are we here?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on top of that shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, I got to open it up here to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you get all the names, make sure we

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<v Speaker 1>get everything and everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we had a few which was epic and awesome,

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<v Speaker 2>and you guys are amazing. Thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta keep talking because I gotta find this.

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<v Speaker 2>How can you not find it that quickly? You just

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<v Speaker 2>have to find your wife and your text message and boom,

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<v Speaker 2>there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but we also had wifs do you have Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>We had someone who messaged us to clarify how to

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<v Speaker 1>say their last name, and I wanted to ensure I

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<v Speaker 1>got it right.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's actually very good.

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<v Speaker 1>That is what took me a little extra time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, and I just made you have to divulge

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<v Speaker 2>that information.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, way to go. So you're ready for this?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready, You're sure? Okay, feeling a bit warm, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, maybe if you took off your seven layers of

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<v Speaker 1>clothing in the middle of summer.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm drinking tea, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You're insane. I'm in a T shirt and I'm sweating.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ridiculous. Anyways, our patrons We have some amazing patrons

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<v Speaker 1>who told me how to say her name nice and

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<v Speaker 1>I probably butchered it anyways, better not. I was just

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<v Speaker 1>reading it, so I really hope I did. Amanda's got,

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<v Speaker 1>Sherry and Cassie, they all signed up Patreon. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for your support. It means the world. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for being here. You two are absolutely incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>there's many options and you all are doing amazing. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>We appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>That aside, we were on another.

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<v Speaker 2>Podcast, on a podcast. It was so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually it was actually our first time being interviewed by

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<v Speaker 1>another podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>By another podcast. Yeah, we've been on like our local

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<v Speaker 2>news and interviewed there and stuff, but we've not been

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<v Speaker 2>on another podcast like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so shout out to tell me about it. Podcast

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<v Speaker 1>over Todd and Charlie, where do they have Is it

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<v Speaker 1>just they've got it on because they're through anchor not anchor, Yes, anchor,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe. So they've got it on Spotify I think

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<v Speaker 1>Apple Podcasts. Yeah. Yeah, our episode's not up yet, but

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<v Speaker 1>we'll let.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what it is. They were from They're from tech,

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<v Speaker 2>so it was quite interesting to chat with them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it was a good time. They're super kind people.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so yeah, I enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and actually today's episode is a request specifically from them.

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<v Speaker 1>M hm. So to you guys over there over on,

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<v Speaker 1>tell me about it. We're going to do Jason Landry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, Well they must have some serious pull. Hey

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<v Speaker 2>they make a request and boom, you're doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yes, and no I was I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>they've did a little request, sure, why not? Why not?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm just kidding, but honestly, why not, because yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to have us on their podcast and they're

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly kind, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it up exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hadn't even heard of this case. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>believe so so it's a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe so so, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Believe so so so so so Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Then, well I thought I had heard of this case,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think I was getting it mixed up with

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<v Speaker 1>another one, because I have not heard of this one.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it seems like it's a relatively unknown one

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<v Speaker 1>in the true crime world at least. However, Jason's story

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<v Speaker 1>has gone over many news sources. Okay, so this is

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<v Speaker 1>not a very old case, and we're about to talk

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<v Speaker 1>all about it. Okay, you ready for this?

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<v Speaker 2>You're all about it? I want to yeah, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me just get my notes up here. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get them a little bit bigger it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was in Texas, right, Yes, Okay, I got to.

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<v Speaker 1>Zoom in here because I'm getting a little old.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, because we've already chatted about this on here.

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<v Speaker 2>You need glasses and you refuse to get glasses.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not that I refuse to get glasses, it's I

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<v Speaker 1>procrastinate and don't ever make the appointment.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be so curious, Actually, you go to the eye

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<v Speaker 2>doctor and see what you would need?

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<v Speaker 1>Me too.

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<v Speaker 2>I also feel like you go there and they'd be like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're fine.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, because I don't know. You just always

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<v Speaker 2>have had like a good bill of health and like

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<v Speaker 2>surprisingly oh good.

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<v Speaker 1>What is that supposed to mean? Surprisingly good?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It's just always. I mean, we've done

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<v Speaker 2>hell test A four for like insurance and stuff, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're always like past with like flying colors, like the

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<v Speaker 2>healthiest of health.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, isn't that a good thing?

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<v Speaker 2>And I am, but like the night before, you just

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<v Speaker 2>ate like a big mac.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just like, wow, thank you for the vouch

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<v Speaker 1>of confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very I'm very happy about that. But I can

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<v Speaker 2>also see you going there and being like you actually

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<v Speaker 2>your eyesight's perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel attacked right now, so I'm going to ignore

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<v Speaker 1>that whole thing and move on. You're ready for this case?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Am I going to get attacked anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well we'll find out what happens, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, we're talking about Jason Landry. So Jason

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<v Speaker 1>was just kind of your average guy, outgoing, nice and

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<v Speaker 1>of course, like me, had a sweet tooth. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you just said I eat junk food and stuff. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Jason's got this right, that's fair. He loved cupcakes for sample,

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<v Speaker 1>but his favorite sweet was those little red gummies called

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<v Speaker 1>Swedish fish.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, those are actually really good.

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<v Speaker 1>They are really good, Like in his defense, they are delicious. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and ten percent. So it was December, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is when Jason's story starts. Jason was on winter

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<v Speaker 1>break and he was heading home to see his family.

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<v Speaker 1>He was driving from his apartment in San Marcos toward

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<v Speaker 1>his parents neighborhood in Sienna. Plan I can't say this now,

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<v Speaker 1>I swear I started planation. There we go, planation right

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<v Speaker 1>on Sienna, Planation, there we go.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a hard one.

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<v Speaker 1>It is we We actually do look up these things

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<v Speaker 1>and how to say it. People are just sometimes we

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<v Speaker 1>get messages like you need to learn how to say things.

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<v Speaker 1>We just don't edit these things out. We keep it

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<v Speaker 1>very real with us. Yeah, so you hear the bloopers.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. Other people just hide that shit and we're like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Anyways, So Google map shows that it is about

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and seventy seven miles apart, and it would

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<v Speaker 1>take about three hours to complete the drive from place

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<v Speaker 1>to place. Okay, Like many people around the holidays, Jason

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<v Speaker 1>was eager to get home to see his family.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yep, that's fair.

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<v Speaker 1>So Jason was a twenty one year old and he

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<v Speaker 1>was a college student and he moved out to this university,

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<v Speaker 1>Texas State University, nice, and it was only a few

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<v Speaker 1>months before he was there studying music. He was the

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<v Speaker 1>youngest son of Kent Laundry and his wife Lee the

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<v Speaker 1>laundry fair enough. Yeah, Okay, so when he moved out,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's over in this new town, his parents

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<v Speaker 1>are over there in his old hometown sort of situation.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of where we're sitting.

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<v Speaker 2>That's sad. I feel like, well, it's probably more sad

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<v Speaker 2>for the parents.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean more so for the parents as for Jason.

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<v Speaker 1>He's probably just kind of off on a new adventure

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, many it's probably a bit terrifying. I can imagine too.

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<v Speaker 1>Potentially many young kids and students and such go off

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<v Speaker 1>on you know, tours to go to another university or

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, like I said, this was in December, and

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<v Speaker 1>like many people around the holidays, Jason was wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure, he would have also been ensuring that

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<v Speaker 1>as well, along with his packing and his gear you know,

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<v Speaker 1>from his clothes to potentially gifts. But you know, time

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<v Speaker 1>would have been the factor for Jason, right. Who wants

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Oh? Of course?

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<v Speaker 1>Why put off seeing your family later when you can

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<v Speaker 1>see them sooner. So, with these ideas, you know, dancing

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<v Speaker 1>in his mind, Jason thought he wasn't going to wait

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's actually kind of adorable.

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<v Speaker 1>So at around ten fifty five pm, Jason had his

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<v Speaker 1>the evening of December thirteenth in twenty twenty. There was

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<v Speaker 1>With windshiels and temperatures, the estimate was that it would

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<v Speaker 1>minus four degrees celsius. And remind you this is in Texas, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so those temperatures are quite frigid.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's really cold for us, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Still t shirt and shorts weather. But for some Yeah. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>Jason drove towards his parents' house, but along the route

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<v Speaker 1>something happened, something that would prevent Jason from ever making

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Jason's wrecked car was discovered by a volunteer firefighter

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<v Speaker 1>at approximately twelve thirty one on December fourteenth, on the

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<v Speaker 2>I should say till like twelve thirty one, like that

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<v Speaker 2>night or the next morning early yeah, oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was only about two and a half hours home.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>His car was in the ditch against a farm fence.

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<v Speaker 1>The engine was still running, and his headlights were still on.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy shit, but there was no sign of Jason anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>That's super odd. Well, yeah, really odd. The fact that

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<v Speaker 2>it's like running and shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that that shows something right there, something's wrong. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think that's a sign of.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, I don't know. I've never even like, I mean, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>if I was driving along and I came across a

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<v Speaker 2>vehicle that was running and no one was around, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea what I would think, but like

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<v Speaker 2>that something was not right that I don't know, this

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<v Speaker 2>person like got like kidnapped or abducted or something.

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<v Speaker 1>In my mind, that shows a sign of haste. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>someone leave the car quickly, right for whatever reason they're.

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<v Speaker 2>So like kidnapped for potentially that is a potential reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so leaving the car.

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<v Speaker 2>Quickly not really on their free wale really.

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<v Speaker 1>In my opinion, could have been might not have been. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we have no idea yet as to why, but we

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<v Speaker 1>do know that car was still on. Lights are still

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<v Speaker 1>on in the ditch. There was quite a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>damage to the vehicle.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, like it had been in a car accident.

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<v Speaker 1>Then, yes, it was in a car wreck.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, sorry, I guess I didn't gather that point. Okay, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So then I actually feel like I might not be

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<v Speaker 2>as concerned, just silly, but because maybe they got kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hurt or whatever, and then someone had been like

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<v Speaker 2>escorting them to a hospital. It's sort of my thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever the reason, there's a million in one reasons, but

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<v Speaker 1>it shows leaving the vehicle quickly in my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sorry I missed that part. I thought that

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<v Speaker 2>it was just parked there for some reason.

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<v Speaker 1>No, well, I didn't say it was in a wreck specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>but I did say it was in a ditch against

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<v Speaker 1>a farm fence. Okay, But anyways, the police were of

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<v Speaker 1>course quickly to call to the scene, and investigation was

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<v Speaker 1>right to follow and began underway. So as we know,

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<v Speaker 1>the immediate hours after a missing person's case are brought

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<v Speaker 1>to attention, these hours are the most.

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<v Speaker 2>Crucial, precious hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so first and foremost, a big thank you to

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<v Speaker 1>authorities for being so quick to action in this case,

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<v Speaker 1>because they were in fact very quick to action. And now,

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<v Speaker 1>aside from his car obviously being in the accident and

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<v Speaker 1>still running, there are a few things that were found

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<v Speaker 1>at the scene. There were clear skid marks on the

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<v Speaker 1>dirt road leading to Jason's car, which showed a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>use of brakes and a loss of control, and law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement officials believed that the car of the car crash

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<v Speaker 1>was quote survivable.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's good. To know.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the first things that was looked at was

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<v Speaker 1>paint transfer from another car. When two vehicles collide an accident,

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<v Speaker 1>usually there's a paint transfer of some kind from one

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle to another, where paint, you know, is scraped off

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<v Speaker 1>and it ends up being rubbed onto the next vehicle.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is nothing of the sort found indicating that

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<v Speaker 1>this was a solo accident.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, while this was being looked for and kind of process,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're trying to find those paint transfers, pictures of

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<v Speaker 1>other evidence was already being taken. Just nine hundred feet

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<v Speaker 1>away on the road. Jason's backpack was found with his

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<v Speaker 1>possessions and a small amount of marijuana inside, and so

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<v Speaker 1>was a pile of Jason's clothing, not folded clothing, but

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<v Speaker 1>removed from one's body, clothing Jason had stripped, so it

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<v Speaker 1>seemed down to the nude and runoff in the cold

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<v Speaker 1>December night, leaving behind all his possessions, including his wallet, phone,

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<v Speaker 2>That is odd. That's very odd.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the whole situation is odd.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that just keeps getting it. Is that a word od?

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<v Speaker 1>It's an animal, It's an odd.

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<v Speaker 2>It keeps getting more and more odd.

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<v Speaker 1>How about extremely confusing? How's that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there we go, that would make no sense to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well why would he do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Not only why would he do that? But what caused

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<v Speaker 1>the accident? And you know, of course, where is Jason?

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<v Speaker 1>That's the big question here, first and foremost, where is he?

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<v Speaker 1>Second of all, what happened? So it didn't take long

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<v Speaker 1>before investigators contacted Jason's family, and that's when they made

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<v Speaker 1>an odd discovery. They went, they weren't expecting Jason. Jason's

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<v Speaker 1>family wasn't expecting him home as far as they knew,

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<v Speaker 1>he was still in his apartment in San Marco's and

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<v Speaker 1>had no clue of him taking the road that night

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<v Speaker 1>or any time soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh like, they didn't think he was coming the next

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<v Speaker 2>day even correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I do want to clarify. Majority of articles I

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<v Speaker 1>found did say this. However, there were some insinuating the

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<v Speaker 1>parents did expect him home that night, so I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>find a clear answer, but majority state that he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>expected home that night.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting, Okay, so there is a.

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<v Speaker 1>Little bit of a stipulation there in that that note.

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<v Speaker 1>But if this is the case, if his parents weren't

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<v Speaker 1>expecting him home that night. Where was Jason going? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>was he actually going home? And if they weren't expecting him,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he was going home for the holidays for a

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<v Speaker 1>surprise to the family, or was there somewhere else that

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<v Speaker 1>he was going. Was there another destination. His last known

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<v Speaker 1>location via cell phone digital footprint, luckily enough, was in

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<v Speaker 1>the town of Lulling, Texas, at approximately eleven twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>pm on December thirteenth of twenty twenty. Along with this,

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<v Speaker 1>investigators were able to track much of Jason's last moves.

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<v Speaker 1>The timeline goes a little bit something like this. Jason's

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<v Speaker 1>drive begins with the use of a navigation app called

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<v Speaker 1>ways w a Ze. He is new to the area

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<v Speaker 1>and he's only driven home twice before since since his move, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Says like I was almost wondering if that was odd.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's not odd. He's only driven this route twice before.

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<v Speaker 1>So now along the route the app pings a geolocation

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<v Speaker 1>painting a picture of exactly you know, where he's been,

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<v Speaker 1>which is great. This is how the authorities are getting

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<v Speaker 1>this information. At eleven h five pm, according to Caldwell

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<v Speaker 1>count Iff County Sheriff's Investigation, Jason is driving on the

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<v Speaker 1>highway on Highway Texas eighty and passes under Interstate thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five in San Marcos. He continued to head south on

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<v Speaker 1>Texas eighty Highway into Caldwell County and is in meryton

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<v Speaker 1>Dale around eleven eleven pm, so at eleven fifteen he

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<v Speaker 1>continues on the Texas eighty pack passes Texas one point

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<v Speaker 1>thirty and goes through several small towns, including being Fentris,

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<v Speaker 1>Prairie Lee, and Stairtown. Eleven twenty four, About half an

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<v Speaker 1>hour into his drive, Jason enters lulling on the Texas

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<v Speaker 1>eighty Highway. As he continues on his way through the

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<v Speaker 1>he stops using his navigation app Weighs and instead begins

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<v Speaker 1>to use Snapchat. Thankfully, they were able to continue to

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<v Speaker 1>get his location and time within the Snapchat app as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>He continues onto Austin Street to Magnolia Avenue, where his

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<v Speaker 1>digital footprint ends. Authorities believe that instead of turning right

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<v Speaker 1>onto Magnolia as his route would have suggested, he drives

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<v Speaker 1>straight through the intersection onto East Austin Street to Spruce Street,

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<v Speaker 1>which turns into Salt Flat Road, the location where his

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<v Speaker 1>car was discovered. Now it is believed that the car

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<v Speaker 1>crashed around eleven thirty four PM and his car was

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<v Speaker 1>discovered at twelve thirty one, pretty much only an hour

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<v Speaker 1>after the incident. So following the discovery of Jason's car,

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<v Speaker 1>the area surrounding was of course immediately searched. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>a total of seven major professional searches occurred, spanning over

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<v Speaker 1>over fifty square miles of the surrounding area, and nothing

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<v Speaker 1>produced a single sign of Jason or his whereabouts.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's literally like you just disappeared into thin air.

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<v Speaker 1>It's literally like you just vanished. Hm.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's good that they are doing so much here.

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<v Speaker 2>That is like they're on it, on it. Sometimes, especially

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<v Speaker 2>in like missing persons cases, it doesn't necessarily seem like

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<v Speaker 2>that or like more time has to pass before they

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<v Speaker 2>really like you know, get really diving deep.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, Which is why I wanted to say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a good shout out to the investigators on this case,

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<v Speaker 1>because they were they were on it. They didn't waste

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<v Speaker 1>any time hmm. So that's really nice to see that

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<v Speaker 1>they you know, did what they needed to do and

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<v Speaker 1>jumped into action. Now, there was also a private investigative

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<v Speaker 1>team that was also hired by Jason's parents, and they

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<v Speaker 1>had apparently uncovered circumstantial evidence that Jason was not alone

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<v Speaker 1>at the time of his disappearance.

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<v Speaker 2>Like someone was in that vehicle with them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what this suggests, holy shit, or not necessarily in

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<v Speaker 1>the vehicle, but at least at the scene.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a loose one of the two, because like my

429
00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:35.359
<v Speaker 2>mind almost just goes to, like, I'm sure, but I'm

430
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<v Speaker 2>sure they've gotten like they probably called all the hospitals

431
00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:40.400
<v Speaker 2>and like just made sure that he wasn't there because

432
00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:44.480
<v Speaker 2>what I'm he lost his memory in this accident or something, right,

433
00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:48.680
<v Speaker 2>and was at some sort of hospital. Yeah, that's kind

434
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<v Speaker 2>of where my brain went, Like, that's where what I

435
00:21:50.759 --> 00:21:52.519
<v Speaker 2>feel like would potentially have happened.

436
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<v Speaker 1>That's true, that is that is a case, or that

437
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<v Speaker 1>is something that could become the case. My argument against

438
00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:03.680
<v Speaker 1>that is that this was actually quite the publicized case.

439
00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:05.559
<v Speaker 1>It was on like Fox News and like it was

440
00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:09.920
<v Speaker 1>quite widely covered, So any hospital in the surrounding area

441
00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:12.680
<v Speaker 1>if it wasn't checked, I'm pretty sure they would have

442
00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:15.000
<v Speaker 1>been able to figure out Okay, we have this guy

443
00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:17.799
<v Speaker 1>who doesn't know his identity, but yet there's this case

444
00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:21.119
<v Speaker 1>blaring on TV of this guy missing. Yeah, oh that's

445
00:22:21.160 --> 00:22:22.160
<v Speaker 1>him on TV, like you.

446
00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Know, well, and then they closing the road and his

447
00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:27.559
<v Speaker 2>belongings in the road don't really make sense for that either.

448
00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:34.240
<v Speaker 1>Exactly Now, this circumstantial evidence. I looked and I couldn't

449
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<v Speaker 1>find what this evidence is. Now, I assume it's currently

450
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<v Speaker 1>not public knowledge. I don't think it's out there for

451
00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:45.079
<v Speaker 1>anyone to just dig up. Okay, but regardless, they strongly

452
00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:49.720
<v Speaker 1>believe that a geofence warrant would enable them to locate

453
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<v Speaker 1>a suspect as well as additional witnesses. Now, a geofence

454
00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:59.440
<v Speaker 1>warrant or a reverse location warrant, basically, it's just a

455
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<v Speaker 1>search war issued by a court to allow law enforcement

456
00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:06.880
<v Speaker 1>to search a database to find all active mobile devices

457
00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:12.160
<v Speaker 1>within a particular GEO fenced area. Okay, So essentially they

458
00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:15.559
<v Speaker 1>would be able to access the nearest cell phone tower

459
00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:19.279
<v Speaker 1>and see whose cell phones were active in the area

460
00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:23.000
<v Speaker 1>where Jason went missing at that time, giving them a

461
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<v Speaker 1>list of potential suspects.

462
00:23:24.839 --> 00:23:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Right, it's just wild what they like the access to

463
00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:30.440
<v Speaker 2>information that they have nowadays saying.

464
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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm pretty sure that like nothing about our lives

465
00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:33.680
<v Speaker 1>is private anymore.

466
00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:36.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like that's it's like terrifying in a sense, but

467
00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:40.680
<v Speaker 2>it's also it opens a lot of potential pieces and stuff.

468
00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:46.039
<v Speaker 2>But then for investigators too, that's very hard, right, Like, yeah,

469
00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:49.359
<v Speaker 2>this amount of more information that they have to potentially

470
00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:51.079
<v Speaker 2>solve cases, it is probably overwhelming.

471
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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, there would be so much to sift through

472
00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:57.640
<v Speaker 1>it'd be absolutely insane. Yeah, but clearly all this information

473
00:23:58.000 --> 00:24:03.319
<v Speaker 1>isn't readily accessible even to law enforcement. So however, I'm

474
00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:06.440
<v Speaker 1>pretty sure that Google has access to it, because if

475
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:10.680
<v Speaker 1>I say something like new bicycle, I'm probably gonna get

476
00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:13.119
<v Speaker 1>ads for that for the next week. Now you know.

477
00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Which you really want?

478
00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, full suspension, Santa Cruz, carbon fiber body. Oh my gosh,

479
00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:27.400
<v Speaker 1>there we go. Anyways, do your work Google, you know

480
00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:31.880
<v Speaker 1>what to do. I lost my spot? Now where am i?

481
00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:34.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

482
00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? So anyways, this is basically very similar to how

483
00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:39.319
<v Speaker 1>the police use the Rogue map to find Jason's locations

484
00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:44.359
<v Speaker 1>right through ways and Snapchat, but essentially it's much more effective. Anyways,

485
00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:47.759
<v Speaker 1>that particide though, the problem is that the Caldwell County

486
00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Sheriff's office and the Caldwell County District's Attorney Office, for

487
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<v Speaker 1>one reason or another, have not agreed to make the

488
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<v Speaker 1>warrant application.

489
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<v Speaker 2>Why not?

490
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<v Speaker 1>I just want to highlight the application. It's not that

491
00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:04.480
<v Speaker 1>they've been denied the warrant. You can't apply, no, they yeah,

492
00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:07.119
<v Speaker 1>they don't want to apply because these are private investigators, right,

493
00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:11.240
<v Speaker 1>So private investigators are bringing this forward to authorities, and

494
00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:13.599
<v Speaker 1>authority are saying we're not going to try for that warrant.

495
00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Why well, I mean, this is my point of view here,

496
00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:22.359
<v Speaker 1>and I want to say again, I do not have

497
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<v Speaker 1>the circumstantial evidence that the private investigators are referring to.

498
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<v Speaker 1>That being said, assuming that's another important word here, assuming

499
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<v Speaker 1>the evidence is taken seriously by the authorities, it must

500
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<v Speaker 1>not hold much weight to it. Okay, most circumstantial evidence,

501
00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:43.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean doesn't usually hold much weight, and it usually

502
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:46.599
<v Speaker 1>takes a lot of circumstantial evidence to really get anywhere,

503
00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:51.400
<v Speaker 1>because that's exactly it. It's circumstantial, right, So either way,

504
00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:54.440
<v Speaker 1>it must be very strong evidence, and they aren't considering

505
00:25:54.519 --> 00:25:59.880
<v Speaker 1>drawing the warrant regarding that. Okay, However, I want to say,

506
00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:03.720
<v Speaker 1>big old However, here you would think with the odd

507
00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:07.640
<v Speaker 1>circumstances like this, you'd want all the information you could get.

508
00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:08.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what I'm thinking.

509
00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:11.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So why wouldn't they at least try for the warrant?

510
00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:14.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean imagine it would get you so not so

511
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:16.200
<v Speaker 2>many names though, And.

512
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<v Speaker 1>Well even if you look into the last I don't

513
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<v Speaker 1>know hour, Yeah, because it was an hour before his

514
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:25.960
<v Speaker 1>car was discovered, So how many people could be within

515
00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:29.519
<v Speaker 1>a mile radius of that car in the last.

516
00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Hour, well, depending how busy that highway and stuff is.

517
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:35.319
<v Speaker 2>But also it was very late at night, that's true, right, Yeah,

518
00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:36.359
<v Speaker 2>probably not that many.

519
00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:39.400
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't imagine there'd be very many around there. So

520
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:43.599
<v Speaker 1>the knowledge of warrant could provide though, regarding the cell

521
00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:46.559
<v Speaker 1>phones that were active in the immediate area of Jason's disappearance,

522
00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:53.119
<v Speaker 1>could highlight could substantially help identify potential suspects and witnesses, if,

523
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:54.680
<v Speaker 1>of course, there was anyone there at all.

524
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because even if they're not finding this other potential

525
00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:00.920
<v Speaker 2>person that was with them, maybe some one saw something

526
00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:03.759
<v Speaker 2>and they exactly need to recall it, right exactly.

527
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:06.519
<v Speaker 1>It may not necessarily be a suspect. It could be

528
00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:07.160
<v Speaker 1>just a whitman.

529
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:09.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I never thought about that. So that makes sense.

530
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:09.720
<v Speaker 2>Why not.

531
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:13.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, someone could have seen Jason hit a deer and

532
00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:17.799
<v Speaker 1>then him run off who knows what, right, Yeah, the

533
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:21.400
<v Speaker 1>geofencing information aside, though, there was some more information that

534
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:25.160
<v Speaker 1>came in which could point towards what happened and potentially

535
00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:29.720
<v Speaker 1>where Jason was going. See, before Jason left, he was

536
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:33.160
<v Speaker 1>on a FaceTime call with one of his friends. Apparently

537
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:36.000
<v Speaker 1>he was going to go hang out with them. Now

538
00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:41.279
<v Speaker 1>the friend had actually screen recorded the call. Why he

539
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:46.319
<v Speaker 1>did this because, quote, man, Jason's so high right now,

540
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:50.960
<v Speaker 1>he's not going to remember what he's saying. Shit, So

541
00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:54.519
<v Speaker 1>this friend hit record thinking the whole conversation was funny

542
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:56.240
<v Speaker 1>and wanted to show it to Jason later.

543
00:27:56.680 --> 00:28:00.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, meanwhile he knows that his friend's like driving.

544
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:07.279
<v Speaker 1>Well about two yikes. Yeah. So one unfortunate thing is though,

545
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:10.880
<v Speaker 1>the video does not have any audio, so the conversation

546
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:13.200
<v Speaker 1>is up to the recollection of Jason's friend who actually

547
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:17.039
<v Speaker 1>did the screen recording, but there is video at least now.

548
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:20.559
<v Speaker 1>In the video, Jason is seen rolling the exact joints

549
00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:24.599
<v Speaker 1>that officials say state troopers would recover from his backpack

550
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:27.680
<v Speaker 1>hours later, and in fact, there has actually been bodycam

551
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:30.160
<v Speaker 1>footage released and it shows the moment that these were

552
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:34.880
<v Speaker 1>recovered from his backpack. Okay, now, Jason's friend did their

553
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:37.480
<v Speaker 1>best to recollect the conversation that they had during the

554
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:43.000
<v Speaker 1>video call, and he said, they're talking about spiritual awakening

555
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:47.160
<v Speaker 1>and enlightenment and opening his third eye and drug consumption.

556
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:52.039
<v Speaker 1>According to Jeff Ferry of the Calwells County Sheriff's Office,

557
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:54.880
<v Speaker 1>So that quote that I just read was from Jeff

558
00:28:54.920 --> 00:29:03.319
<v Speaker 1>Ferry recollecting the conversation with the friend who was screen record. Yeah,

559
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>does that make sense? Yes, So it's a third party quote,

560
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:07.119
<v Speaker 1>but I guess.

561
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:08.960
<v Speaker 2>It don't totally mean what the quote means.

562
00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:13.400
<v Speaker 1>But they're talking about spiritual awakening and enlightenment and opening

563
00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:15.279
<v Speaker 1>his third eye and drug consumption.

564
00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, wow yeah hmm.

565
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:26.240
<v Speaker 1>So using drugs, hallucinogenics whatever it is, for enlightenment and

566
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:29.559
<v Speaker 1>opening a third eye spiritual awakening.

567
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:33.599
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Okay, that's a very interesting conversation to have with

568
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:36.440
<v Speaker 2>someone before you go missing, isn't it?

569
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:38.240
<v Speaker 1>Like very isn't it?

570
00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:40.759
<v Speaker 2>I would be very concerned if like that was you,

571
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:41.480
<v Speaker 2>for example.

572
00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:46.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh, that is wild. That is wild conversations to have

573
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:51.720
<v Speaker 1>first and foremost before driving yeah. And second of all, yeah,

574
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:52.720
<v Speaker 1>right before you go missing.

575
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, yeah, that's very alarming.

576
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Now, these conversations and topics would also align with Jason's

577
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:04.240
<v Speaker 1>recent his story search on the Internet, leading apparents.

578
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:07.599
<v Speaker 2>Those freaking Internet searches. It can't even clear them, really,

579
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:11.440
<v Speaker 2>you can't. Well you can't not to authorities exactly.

580
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:14.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they can dig down. If someone really wants to

581
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:16.160
<v Speaker 1>know what's been on your computer, they can find it.

582
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Even if you hit that delete history.

583
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:20.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure some people know how to permanently delete it though.

584
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:22.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, by breaking your computer.

585
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:25.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, there has to be some other way, you think,

586
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:25.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

587
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:30.599
<v Speaker 1>His Google search would also include things such as this

588
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:34.640
<v Speaker 1>quote how long can you live in the woods without food?

589
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:37.960
<v Speaker 1>And or how long can you go in the wilderness?

590
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:43.119
<v Speaker 1>End quote, along with parent topics surrounding spiritual awakening, drugs

591
00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:44.400
<v Speaker 1>and psychedelics.

592
00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:48.079
<v Speaker 2>Wow, okay, and I was also waiting to see you

593
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:50.519
<v Speaker 2>had something to do with like a cult of sorts.

594
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:54.680
<v Speaker 2>But this is interesting. But they did a lot of

595
00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:57.680
<v Speaker 2>searching in those woods, so you think that they would

596
00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:04.480
<v Speaker 2>have found him, You would think, huh, those are okay.

597
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm watching the Gears turn I know this.

598
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Is just unbelievable. This is I'm really going down a

599
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:13.839
<v Speaker 2>rabbit hole in my brain right now. This is not

600
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:15.039
<v Speaker 2>really what I expected.

601
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, where is your brain going? What sort of rabbit

602
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:19.359
<v Speaker 1>hole are you currently diving down?

603
00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, at first it was like, gosh, is he joining

604
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:24.279
<v Speaker 2>like some sort of cults like that He's never gonna

605
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.039
<v Speaker 2>be found or come out of this right or is

606
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:29.920
<v Speaker 2>it going to be like years that he does or

607
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:31.599
<v Speaker 2>is he just on his own and wanting to be

608
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:34.880
<v Speaker 2>doing some sort of spiritual awakening on his own?

609
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:35.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

610
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:36.359
<v Speaker 2>But then.

611
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, sorry, I had to like stop it. I distracted Nicole.

612
00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:42.519
<v Speaker 1>Our dog was like super dreaming and stuff, and she

613
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:44.640
<v Speaker 1>was starting to like make a lot of noise. I

614
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:46.839
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you guys could hear it anyway.

615
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:49.519
<v Speaker 2>So I was hell undistracted. But anyway, just to go

616
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:53.279
<v Speaker 2>off go on that again. I feel like he would

617
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:55.799
<v Speaker 2>have been found if he was on his own doing

618
00:31:55.839 --> 00:32:00.559
<v Speaker 2>this in the wilderness mostly searches, is my thoughts. So

619
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:03.440
<v Speaker 2>that's why I'm like, is he somewhere else that's like

620
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:05.960
<v Speaker 2>some sort of cult thing or like, because if he

621
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:07.559
<v Speaker 2>did this on his own, I just think that they

622
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:08.480
<v Speaker 2>would have found him.

623
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean most likely, but it's clearly we don't know

624
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:16.000
<v Speaker 1>for sure because they did, okay, fifty square mile search.

625
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:20.920
<v Speaker 1>What if he just so happened to be walking at

626
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:23.720
<v Speaker 1>a pace that took him at fifty five miles away?

627
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I guess who knows? Right, that's what happened.

628
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.799
<v Speaker 2>Long time though, and like a long ways and he's

629
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:36.079
<v Speaker 2>not dressed for this, and he's not like did he

630
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:39.519
<v Speaker 2>have a shoes on it? And stuff? Right? Like would

631
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:41.839
<v Speaker 2>he have made it that far in these conditions?

632
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:48.519
<v Speaker 1>That's that's a big question. So where am I now?

633
00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:52.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh right? Even more interesting though, is in the video

634
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:54.799
<v Speaker 1>with the FaceTime call and Jason and his friend, Jason

635
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:58.960
<v Speaker 1>is actually sweating heavily with large wet spots in his

636
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:02.440
<v Speaker 1>shirt underneath the arms in his armpits. Now, this is

637
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:05.720
<v Speaker 1>a sign, police say, may very well indicate a reason

638
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:08.720
<v Speaker 1>for Jason stripping down to nothing, even in the cold

639
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:13.240
<v Speaker 1>December temperatures. If he was under the influence and he

640
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.880
<v Speaker 1>was driving, it's reasonable to think that a solo accident

641
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:18.920
<v Speaker 1>could occur. It's also reasonable to think that he may

642
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:23.519
<v Speaker 1>act upon some of his Google search terms, and finally,

643
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:26.400
<v Speaker 1>reasonable to think that he could have just stripped down.

644
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:28.759
<v Speaker 1>He could have been overheating for one reason or another,

645
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:31.599
<v Speaker 1>depending on his consumption of what he had in his system.

646
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like he could have just been so under the influence,

647
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:40.240
<v Speaker 2>like you do weird shit, right. But then I also again,

648
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:42.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm like that they probably would have found him.

649
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:46.960
<v Speaker 1>That is the big part here. There should be a

650
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:51.119
<v Speaker 1>sign of Jason somewhere. Yeah, but there's not. That is

651
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:52.160
<v Speaker 1>the problem.

652
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:56.799
<v Speaker 2>Why unless while he was doing this his episode, someone

653
00:33:56.920 --> 00:33:58.119
<v Speaker 2>just like picked him up.

654
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:01.279
<v Speaker 1>Or maybe he was a stow away somewhere. Maybe he

655
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:02.960
<v Speaker 1>jumped on board a truck or something.

656
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:07.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, yeah, who knows. I mean, there's probably a

657
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:09.440
<v Speaker 2>million ideas you could come up with.

658
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, right, the list goes on. So police believe

659
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:16.400
<v Speaker 1>it's actually reasonable to think that nothing suspicious has taken

660
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:21.559
<v Speaker 1>place and others may not actually be involved. They believe

661
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:23.199
<v Speaker 1>he was on his way to see a friend in

662
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:26.960
<v Speaker 1>his hometown and ended up in an accident and due

663
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:32.800
<v Speaker 1>to his inebriation, basically just ran off. Now Officer Ferry,

664
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:35.880
<v Speaker 1>the one that I was referring to earlier, believes this,

665
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:39.000
<v Speaker 1>and he actually believes that he's succumbed to the freezing

666
00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:42.920
<v Speaker 1>temperatures and was devoured by wild hogs.

667
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:44.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

668
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:48.360
<v Speaker 1>He believes his body was actually consumed by the animals

669
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:50.639
<v Speaker 1>in the area and that's why he hasn't been.

670
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Found bones and all.

671
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:56.679
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, pigs are definitely known to be chewing

672
00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:59.199
<v Speaker 1>and eating bones like all of it.

673
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.119
<v Speaker 2>We don't have wild hogs here, so I don't really

674
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:03.079
<v Speaker 2>know what that looks like.

675
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:04.639
<v Speaker 1>Actually, apparently there are some in BC.

676
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:09.280
<v Speaker 2>I've never seen him, but I'd probably be more afraid

677
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:10.280
<v Speaker 2>of that than seeing a bear.

678
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:14.360
<v Speaker 1>They are vicious, Like, what the hell is that. I

679
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:16.840
<v Speaker 1>can't confirm if there is or not. I've just heard stories.

680
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:20.679
<v Speaker 1>So now, of course this is this is not confirmed,

681
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:23.280
<v Speaker 1>and it's not the only theory out there.

682
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:24.400
<v Speaker 2>I imagine there's a lot.

683
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:27.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but before we move on to the next few

684
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:29.039
<v Speaker 1>theories that we do have, I just do kind of

685
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:31.639
<v Speaker 1>want to unpack this whole wild hogs thing a little

686
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:35.239
<v Speaker 1>bit more. I'm going to say I call bullshit on

687
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:40.760
<v Speaker 1>wild hogs devouring Jason. Okay, I'm going to just assume

688
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:43.639
<v Speaker 1>that he's correct that Jason ran off to come to

689
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:47.599
<v Speaker 1>the freezing temperatures, and let's say for this conversation he

690
00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:51.079
<v Speaker 1>unfortunately did pass away and is lying somewhere in the

691
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:55.280
<v Speaker 1>bush Okay, let's say that wild hogs did find him

692
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:59.760
<v Speaker 1>and did start consuming him. You're telling me that how

693
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:05.039
<v Speaker 1>quickly they started searching seven professional searches over fifty square

694
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:08.719
<v Speaker 1>miles didn't come up with a single bone.

695
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So like in that time, there's no way that

696
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:13.719
<v Speaker 2>the whole remains would be gone.

697
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:17.079
<v Speaker 1>Correct in your in your onion, I one percent do

698
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:20.159
<v Speaker 1>not think that the entire body would be gone right,

699
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:24.000
<v Speaker 1>No way, especially considering how long it would take for

700
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:29.559
<v Speaker 1>a entire human body to be consumed. Okay, let's say

701
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:31.400
<v Speaker 1>the pigs are going to go to town and eat

702
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:37.159
<v Speaker 1>this entire body, every speck of it. Okay, They're not

703
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:38.519
<v Speaker 1>going to have the time to do that.

704
00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:40.559
<v Speaker 2>I do kind of hate this theory.

705
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:43.239
<v Speaker 1>I do too, and that's kind of why I'm wanting.

706
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:44.480
<v Speaker 2>To get very disturbing.

707
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:46.079
<v Speaker 1>They're not going to have the time to do this

708
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:49.880
<v Speaker 1>because say you have a whole pack consuming an entire human.

709
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:53.199
<v Speaker 1>They're concerned about other wildlife in the area and another

710
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:56.440
<v Speaker 1>and food out there is going to attract coyotes and

711
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:59.360
<v Speaker 1>attract wolves. These things aren't sticking around long enough to

712
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:02.440
<v Speaker 1>be gluttonous. They're going to eat their fill and get

713
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:06.039
<v Speaker 1>on their way. There is no way they're devouring bones

714
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:08.519
<v Speaker 1>in the wild in do.

715
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:13.960
<v Speaker 2>They bury their food? No, no, no. I do also

716
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:17.639
<v Speaker 2>have to say, this is so awful for the parents. Oh,

717
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:21.119
<v Speaker 2>Like I can't even imagine, because it's no closure whatsoever,

718
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:24.760
<v Speaker 2>they probably feel like he's still alive somewhere and like

719
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:28.840
<v Speaker 2>hoping that he just comes home randomly at some point. Yeah, like, gosh,

720
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:29.519
<v Speaker 2>that's the worst.

721
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:32.400
<v Speaker 1>And this whole conversation of the wild hogs would one

722
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:35.679
<v Speaker 1>hundred percent be so bad for family members to listen to.

723
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:38.599
<v Speaker 1>But that's why I wanted to debunk it, because I

724
00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:41.079
<v Speaker 1>don't think this was the case. I don't think he

725
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:42.320
<v Speaker 1>went through something that horrific.

726
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:45.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, how many wild hogs are they running around?

727
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:47.039
<v Speaker 2>I have questions about this generally.

728
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:49.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can find packs of a lot of

729
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:51.840
<v Speaker 1>wild hogs. Feel it's not typical to be more than

730
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:52.360
<v Speaker 1>like a dozen.

731
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:54.639
<v Speaker 2>I feel like it'd be very quick for them to

732
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:58.039
<v Speaker 2>devour a human body, in my opinion, but not necessarily

733
00:37:58.079 --> 00:37:58.559
<v Speaker 2>the bones.

734
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:01.119
<v Speaker 1>That shit has to be a while, would be remains,

735
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:05.559
<v Speaker 1>there would be anyways, Off the wild hogs. Let's get

736
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.079
<v Speaker 1>on to some of the other theories that was I

737
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:09.960
<v Speaker 1>hated that part of the conversation, but I did want

738
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:11.760
<v Speaker 1>to throw that out there because I do think it's important.

739
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:17.480
<v Speaker 1>So anyways, while most of Officer Fairry sorry, while most

740
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:20.360
<v Speaker 1>such as Officer Fairy, say it's impossible for Jason to

741
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:23.920
<v Speaker 1>have come into contact with anyone else during his car

742
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:30.159
<v Speaker 1>drive car ride, I mean up until that moment. There's

743
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:32.760
<v Speaker 1>no time before that anyone could have joined him. Maybe

744
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:36.480
<v Speaker 1>after the crash, sure, But this theory brings up the

745
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:39.119
<v Speaker 1>moment that Jason neglected to make the right hand turn

746
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:43.079
<v Speaker 1>in the town of Lulling at that intersection where he

747
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:46.559
<v Speaker 1>failed to turn right and proceed to the I ten Now,

748
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:49.599
<v Speaker 1>a former FBI agent based in San Antonio by the

749
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:51.760
<v Speaker 1>name of I'm gonna probably say this is wrong. I'm

750
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:55.119
<v Speaker 1>going to try Able Penna and his team of private

751
00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:58.440
<v Speaker 1>investigators who are working on his case for free of charge.

752
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:03.320
<v Speaker 1>He had this to say, quote, perhaps he was not

753
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:06.079
<v Speaker 1>driving that car that night, and someone else may have

754
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:10.000
<v Speaker 1>been driving that car. We strongly believe that something happened

755
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:12.559
<v Speaker 1>at that intersection that caused him to go down that

756
00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:13.360
<v Speaker 1>road that night.

757
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:19.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So saying that he was with.

758
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Someone potentially, yeah, that's what they're saying.

759
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:24.079
<v Speaker 2>And there took that turn intentionally.

760
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes, So the theory that Officer Farry says, there's no

761
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.559
<v Speaker 1>way there was anyone else in the vehicle. He can't

762
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:32.639
<v Speaker 1>prove that up until after the crash, because now we

763
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:34.039
<v Speaker 1>have a vehicle on the side of the road. Who

764
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:36.159
<v Speaker 1>knows how many people could be involved, right, Yeah, but

765
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:39.760
<v Speaker 1>up until that Officer Ferry says no one else involved. However,

766
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:44.679
<v Speaker 1>this former FBI agent and a private investigator says otherwise.

767
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.920
<v Speaker 1>He thinks at that intersection, at that moment, someone else

768
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:52.800
<v Speaker 1>could have joined in or been a part of it somehow. Now,

769
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:56.280
<v Speaker 1>something interesting that I actually dug up on Reddit. A

770
00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:59.519
<v Speaker 1>Reddit user by the name of responsibility number eight seven

771
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:04.719
<v Speaker 1>nine eight wrote this, how about he was never in

772
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.639
<v Speaker 1>the car when it crashed. When he switched off the

773
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:10.360
<v Speaker 1>app and went to snap is when someone else had

774
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:13.639
<v Speaker 1>his phone and the car. His last snap was his

775
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:16.800
<v Speaker 1>last Someone had his car and crashed it and tossed

776
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:20.840
<v Speaker 1>his belongings. Go look where his last blueprint of his

777
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:22.400
<v Speaker 1>snap was and look there.

778
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:24.199
<v Speaker 2>Hmmm.

779
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:27.320
<v Speaker 1>I think they bring up a really good point. Do

780
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:31.079
<v Speaker 1>we know that he was actually at that car when

781
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:31.599
<v Speaker 1>it crashed?

782
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:34.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, because I even kind of thought about at

783
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:37.199
<v Speaker 2>one point, like, why would he have just stopped using

784
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Google Maps, like all of a sudden just or knock, sorry,

785
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:43.159
<v Speaker 2>we got why. I use Google Maps for my navigation,

786
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:45.719
<v Speaker 2>But like how at that point when he switched to

787
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:48.480
<v Speaker 2>snap or whatever to check, why wouldn't he be going

788
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:51.199
<v Speaker 2>back in his map app to know where he's going?

789
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.199
<v Speaker 2>Like at that point, he just all of a sudden

790
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:55.000
<v Speaker 2>knows where he's going. And I thought that in my head,

791
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:55.920
<v Speaker 2>but I never said.

792
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Anything, especially if he did make a wrong turn. Yeah,

793
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:02.039
<v Speaker 1>area he's not familiar with. Yeah, it doesn't make much sense,

794
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:04.840
<v Speaker 1>that does so. I actually really like what this Reddit

795
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:08.679
<v Speaker 1>user is kind of talking about. Whether this specifically is

796
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:12.639
<v Speaker 1>fact or fiction, I don't know, but the idea of,

797
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:14.639
<v Speaker 1>you know what, maybe he wasn't even in the car,

798
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:17.639
<v Speaker 1>maybe he left prior to maybe it was at his

799
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:20.719
<v Speaker 1>last snap location, or maybe it was even before that.

800
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Whoever else was driving could have been using the snapchat app.

801
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:29.760
<v Speaker 2>And this friend that he was talking to on his phone.

802
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:33.039
<v Speaker 2>There was never any evidence or anything in there that

803
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:34.840
<v Speaker 2>he was with anyone though.

804
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:41.679
<v Speaker 1>Correct correct now. In May of twenty twenty one, Jason's

805
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:44.159
<v Speaker 1>family announced that they were offering a ten thousand dollars

806
00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:47.119
<v Speaker 1>reward for anyone who had any information on what happened

807
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:49.559
<v Speaker 1>to Jason. So I do want to put out there

808
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:53.039
<v Speaker 1>if you have any information regarding the disappearance of Jason Landry,

809
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:56.039
<v Speaker 1>you can actually contact them and you can even call

810
00:41:56.800 --> 00:42:00.920
<v Speaker 1>anonymously at the number seven to six seven seven seven

811
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:05.039
<v Speaker 1>one three five nine. I really do hope Jason has

812
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.280
<v Speaker 1>found and I am really adamant that there is no

813
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:11.760
<v Speaker 1>way I believe that wild hogs devoured him. I think

814
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:14.360
<v Speaker 1>that is an absurd theory.

815
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:16.800
<v Speaker 2>In my mind, it's a theory just to be able

816
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:19.360
<v Speaker 2>to close the case. Potentially it is right.

817
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:22.039
<v Speaker 1>And one thing in my mind is, Okay, if you

818
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:26.360
<v Speaker 1>want to look at, say your adamant wild hogs were

819
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:33.039
<v Speaker 1>responsible for his disappearance, I'll say, look at Robert Picton's case.

820
00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:38.440
<v Speaker 1>He had to grind up his victims. There was still

821
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:43.480
<v Speaker 1>remains left over years later. Yeah, I'm gonna say that.

822
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Thanks for bringing that up, just saying, just saying Robert

823
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:49.360
<v Speaker 2>and that was.

824
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Pigs that he fed his victims.

825
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:55.079
<v Speaker 2>Too, So I'm among some of the other things.

826
00:42:55.639 --> 00:43:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, that's a very simply, very simplified version. Yeah,

827
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:04.800
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, so that is the case of Jason Landry.

828
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:09.280
<v Speaker 1>He is unfortunately to this day missing, But.

829
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:11.360
<v Speaker 2>There still seems like there's a lot of people working

830
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:12.039
<v Speaker 2>on this case.

831
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:14.239
<v Speaker 1>Hey, it is still a very fresh case. It is

832
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:24.960
<v Speaker 1>an open case. I honestly, I'm not sold that Jason isn't.

833
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:29.320
<v Speaker 1>I think he might still be alive. The likelihood of it,

834
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:34.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, is a slimmer clearly. However, I think

835
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Jason's still out there. I really do.

836
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:39.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I mean it's not even been two years.

837
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I guess, right, like, yeah, it hasn't.

838
00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:45.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, in the searches and stuff, that's it's wild.

839
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:50.440
<v Speaker 2>But then it's also if that was the case with

840
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:52.840
<v Speaker 2>all those searches and stuff, like why didn't and why

841
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:54.039
<v Speaker 2>was this gear left behind?

842
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:57.159
<v Speaker 1>You know, well, if you look at it this way,

843
00:43:58.119 --> 00:43:59.880
<v Speaker 1>he was looking on how to survive out in the

844
00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:03.760
<v Speaker 1>wilderness and spiritual awakening and stuff. Maybe he actually had

845
00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:05.840
<v Speaker 1>the skills to go out and survive. Maybe that's exactly

846
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:09.559
<v Speaker 1>what he did. I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm

847
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:12.679
<v Speaker 1>not saying that's likely, but it is a possibility.

848
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:14.800
<v Speaker 2>It is. But at this point, I feel like you

849
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:15.800
<v Speaker 2>would have come back.

850
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:19.679
<v Speaker 1>Who knows, I don't know. There is a chance that

851
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<v Speaker 1>he might just knock on his parents' front door one day,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Which would be amazing, Like what a mystery this is,

854
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<v Speaker 2>and just the agony that his parents are and I

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<v Speaker 2>just like hate that. But I don't know. I sort

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<v Speaker 2>of feel like he would have gotten okay, I like

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<v Speaker 2>not like, but it makes sense to me that he

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<v Speaker 2>crashed and was like, oh shit, like I'm gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>in trouble. Like he's young or whatever, right, and he's

860
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<v Speaker 2>very intoxic. I don't know, under the influence of something, right, yeap,

861
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<v Speaker 2>so I could. But then while he's like trying to

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<v Speaker 2>figure this out or something in his state, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like someone might have picked him up. It's possible, and

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<v Speaker 2>then depending who picked him up, it's very much so

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<v Speaker 2>in question of if he's still alive. So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that this So thanks a lot for this,

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<v Speaker 2>because now my brain, I feel like, is just going

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<v Speaker 2>a mile minute and I just want to figure it out.

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<v Speaker 1>You and a lot of people in this world want

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<v Speaker 1>to figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet you there is well I don't even know

872
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<v Speaker 2>what they'd have much to go on, but a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of like internet sleuths is that what they're.

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<v Speaker 1>Called yeah, webs. If I'm being honest, there's actually very

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<v Speaker 1>little out there about this case for research purposes. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of small articles, and most of them regurgitate

877
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<v Speaker 1>the same information or at least similar information, So you

878
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<v Speaker 1>got to dig pretty deep to find some of the

879
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<v Speaker 1>different information. Like for me, finding that he liked Swedish

880
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<v Speaker 1>fish was actually a bit of a dig. Yeah. Actually

881
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<v Speaker 1>I found that out because they were raising awareness. They

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<v Speaker 1>went and his family had a booth that I can't

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<v Speaker 1>remember what it was. It was some sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a farmer's market type thing whatever, and they

885
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<v Speaker 1>were selling Swedish fish at this market with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>his wanted poster and stuff or sorry, not wanted poster,

887
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<v Speaker 1>missing poster. And then yeah, they're raising awareness and kind

888
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<v Speaker 1>of raising funds to help search for them, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were selling Swedish fish. It's hard to say that's a

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<v Speaker 1>ton twister Swedish fish because it's one of his favorite treats.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Huh. Yeah, well, yeah, I can't say

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<v Speaker 2>one way or the other exactly how I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>to process is a bit more, but it would sure

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<v Speaker 2>be nice if he was still alive. But you really

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<v Speaker 2>much so feel like he is.

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<v Speaker 1>Eh, I'm not. I'm not sold that he is, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm hanging on to that he is. I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's a good chance. I don't think it's the biggest chance,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do still think it's a good chance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I mean as time goes on, that probably

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<v Speaker 2>goes down a little bit, right, So.

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<v Speaker 1>In this case, I think it's a bit different. I

903
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<v Speaker 1>think it's different because it's maybe he wandered off on

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<v Speaker 1>his own intentionally to just go survive somewhere. Most people

905
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<v Speaker 1>don't wander off on their own with that intention. Most

906
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<v Speaker 1>people go missing on accident. He might have went missing

907
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<v Speaker 1>on purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which I just feel like then he would have

909
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<v Speaker 2>brought all his things, some of his things, So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Hard to say, yeah, wow, regardless, that is a case

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<v Speaker 1>of Jason Landry. We'd love to hear what you guys think.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have some thoughts, shoot us an email, Instagram, Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>let us know. This is going to be a case

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm sure we get a lot of different opinions

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<v Speaker 1>and we are curious to hear them, So hit us up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and hopefully there's some updates at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, we got all our good links down below. We

919
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<v Speaker 1>got our website, all the social media as we got

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<v Speaker 1>patron if you want to join us there. We just

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you guys being here regardless though, so thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much, and of course, until next episode, stay Wicked