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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>k f I, A M six forty Nature.

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<v Speaker 2>Talks about pontificates about pop culture, Ron and Report with

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Rodner's.

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<v Speaker 3>Tapping a Runner Report.

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<v Speaker 4>Mark go, I had really been looking forward to Thunderbolt,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm not going to jerk you around.

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<v Speaker 5>It does not disappoint. Okay, now you can listen to

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<v Speaker 5>something else. Are you still here? All right? Here's some

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<v Speaker 5>trailer to masticate.

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<v Speaker 1>On letting.

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<v Speaker 6>Beings the hero. There is no higher collect Your sister

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<v Speaker 6>understood something about that I should come back for you. No,

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<v Speaker 6>that's it's the fairy tale. I was in high school

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<v Speaker 6>when the Avengers came. Kind of strange that it's all

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<v Speaker 6>over now, no one's coming to save to day. I

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<v Speaker 6>think we are.

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<v Speaker 5>We can be the ones that are coming.

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<v Speaker 6>Look, you have the wrong people. We have all done

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<v Speaker 6>bad things.

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<v Speaker 5>Look up there where you are.

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<v Speaker 6>The past doesn't go away, so you can either live

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<v Speaker 6>with that forever or you can do something about it.

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<v Speaker 5>I am avoid.

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<v Speaker 6>You are in. You can't tell. We're on the emptiness.

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<v Speaker 6>They can't do this. No one there is a hero.

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<v Speaker 5>We all have things that we regret, but I have

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<v Speaker 5>so many. When I look at her, I don't see

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<v Speaker 5>your mistics. That's probably need be too.

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<v Speaker 6>We can't start there and alone, no one can, and

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<v Speaker 6>we can find a way together. All Right.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna cut that a little short because we're running

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<v Speaker 4>short on time here. I am a sucker for the

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<v Speaker 4>kind of dirty dozen stories that involve corralling some bad

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<v Speaker 4>guys to go on a good guy mission. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>essentially what happens here. Bad guys, anti heroes, self redeemed

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<v Speaker 4>former bad guys. Here's your roster. You got Bucky Barnes,

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<v Speaker 4>the Winter Soldier. He started as Captain America's pal. He

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<v Speaker 4>became a hydro assassin, snapped out of it, and is

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<v Speaker 4>now a freshman congressman. In the movie, as it starts

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<v Speaker 4>at Sebastian stan Yolena Belova, a black widow, sister of

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<v Speaker 4>the Scarlett Johansson Natasha, black widow who got killed a

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<v Speaker 4>few movies back. That's Florence Pugh, her Russian father, the

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<v Speaker 4>Red Guardian. That's David Harbor from Stranger Things. He's the

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<v Speaker 4>buffoonish gung ho comic relief in the movie. Also, most

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<v Speaker 4>things just sound funnier with a Russian or Eastern European accent.

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<v Speaker 4>Try it, I promise is good potato. There's John Walker,

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<v Speaker 4>the disgraced ex brief Captain America replacement played by Wyatt Russell.

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<v Speaker 4>He's kind of an exasperated a hole with none of

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<v Speaker 4>the nobility that Chris Evans is Captain America radiated, and

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<v Speaker 4>he seems to know it. Ghost played by Hannah John Kayman.

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<v Speaker 4>She was an ant man in The Wasp, kind of

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<v Speaker 4>the least memorable of the villain heroes. Here, she can

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<v Speaker 4>turn invisible and phase through stuff, but she levels up

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<v Speaker 4>a bit and has some good dialogue and some action moments.

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<v Speaker 4>There's also a dorky guy named Bob played by Lewis Pullman,

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<v Speaker 4>the son of Bill Pullman. He was in a pretty

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<v Speaker 4>watchable remake of Stephen King Salem's Lot recently, and Bob

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<v Speaker 4>has some issues that are going to turn into a

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<v Speaker 4>major problem for everyone. There's Julia Louis Dreyfus. She returns

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<v Speaker 4>as Valentina Allegrid de Fontaine, the unscrupulous manipulator from other

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<v Speaker 4>Marble stuff. She's running the CIA now and facing impeachment

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<v Speaker 4>hearings while she does more super manipulating, in this case

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<v Speaker 4>trying to get all the loser semi heroes to off

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<v Speaker 4>each other at first, and cultivating another super being who's

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<v Speaker 4>more of a badass than all of them put together,

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<v Speaker 4>and who's also really unstable. You could spend some quality

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<v Speaker 4>nerd time going down the list of who you would

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<v Speaker 4>like to be on the team. I kind of wish

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<v Speaker 4>they'd brought in Zemo. Maybe it was just the scene

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<v Speaker 4>of him dancing, but I've been on teams Zimo since

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<v Speaker 4>the Falcon and the Winter Soldier series, and just to

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<v Speaker 4>be clear, Zemo dancing righteous dance off at the end

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<v Speaker 4>of Guardians of the Galaxy cringe, awful, terrible. Marvel's been

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<v Speaker 4>hit and miss, especially recently, but Thunderbolts is no thor

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<v Speaker 4>Love and Thunder or shang Chi or Wakanda Forever. It's

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<v Speaker 4>lots of fun and it nails this mix of comedy

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<v Speaker 4>and action that Marvel does best. The dialogue of all

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<v Speaker 4>these misfits you have to work together's funny. The action

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<v Speaker 4>scenes are well done, especially at the start of the

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<v Speaker 4>movie with Yolena just plowing through a bunch of bad guys.

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<v Speaker 4>They give Winter Soldier a supremely cool entrance on a motorcycle.

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<v Speaker 4>After things have gotten going. That'll just make you wish

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<v Speaker 4>he had a whole movie of his own. Ghost not

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<v Speaker 4>so much. The director is Jake Shreyer, who's maybe known

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<v Speaker 4>for the Netflix mini series Beef to the extent he's

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<v Speaker 4>known at all to normal civilians. This is a huge

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<v Speaker 4>leveling up for him, and I think he's going to

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<v Speaker 4>be around for a while. The movie starts off with

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<v Speaker 4>what seemed to me like a really sloppy bit of plotting.

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<v Speaker 4>These super losers are initially all sent separately to a

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<v Speaker 4>facility to kill each other by Valentina, which of course

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<v Speaker 4>they don't do. This is some sub James Bond foolishness.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me tie you to this chair and leave you

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<v Speaker 4>unsupervised in this room. Nope, let's set them all up

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<v Speaker 4>to fight and assume none of them will talk at all,

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<v Speaker 4>say a word. I think the climactic segment of the

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<v Speaker 4>movie is going to be polarizing, and I can't go

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<v Speaker 4>into much detail about that without spoiling it. It wraps

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<v Speaker 4>up the theme at the beginning of having to do

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<v Speaker 4>with Elena the black widow, finding life meaningless and full

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<v Speaker 4>of painful memories of things she's done. But the movie

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<v Speaker 4>takes this left turn from the kind of super action

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<v Speaker 4>you might expect into some arguably cheesy territory. It's not

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<v Speaker 4>enough to ruin the movie, but you might find yourself

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<v Speaker 4>sitting there thinking, Hey, did they really just solve that

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<v Speaker 5>Come on?

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<v Speaker 4>And I can't prove the filmmakers are big Star Trek

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<v Speaker 4>five fans, but an element of Thunderbolts is heavily reminiscent

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<v Speaker 4>of that, involving all the major characters revisiting traumatic events

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<v Speaker 4>from their past that shaped them. You definitely want to

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<v Speaker 4>sit through all the credits because there are two extra

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<v Speaker 4>scenes you won't want to miss, mostly the one at

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<v Speaker 4>the very end of all the credits, which sets up

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<v Speaker 4>some other cool stuff I will not spoil. That's all

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to say about Thunderbolts. One more quick bit

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<v Speaker 4>of a nerd business. You probably never got around to

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<v Speaker 4>seeing Hellboy the Crooked Man because almost no one did.

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<v Speaker 4>It was the fourth film in the series with the

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<v Speaker 4>third actor playing hell Boy, barely released in theaters, made

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of two million bucks on a twenty million

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<v Speaker 4>dollar budget, essentially dumped straight to vod I don't know why,

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<v Speaker 4>and it is by far the best of the four.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't understand why nobody's been talking about it, except

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<v Speaker 4>that maybe people avoided it because it seemed like a failure,

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<v Speaker 4>and that created kind of a fail spiral of avoidance.

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<v Speaker 4>It's darker, much closer to the comics by Mike Manola,

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<v Speaker 4>stays in the folk horror monster territory of his stories,

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<v Speaker 4>and he co wrote it from one of his comic

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<v Speaker 4>book stories. I caught it on Hulu and I've read

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<v Speaker 4>that it's doing well there. I will say, Hellboy the

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<v Speaker 4>Crooked Man is slightly cheaper, looking kind of like a

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<v Speaker 4>CW show, and doesn't have the directing flare of the

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<v Speaker 4>first two movies by Guerramo del Toro, but don't let

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<v Speaker 4>that put you off. It's still better than both of

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<v Speaker 4>his And between those two movies, Thunderbolts and hell Boy

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<v Speaker 4>the Crooked Man, that's a few solid hours of nerd

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<v Speaker 4>time that you could have spent knowing the touch of

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<v Speaker 4>a woman mo the touch of a week.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I saw Thunderbolts last night. I don't have as

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<v Speaker 3>a review, so I'm not going to step on yours.

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<v Speaker 3>I just said I liked it. I didn't love it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll leave it at that.

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<v Speaker 5>I liked it.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, I liked Captain America Brave New World

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<v Speaker 3>more so.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's kind of a photo finish between the two.

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<v Speaker 4>Neither a perfect You heard what my complaints were, But

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<v Speaker 4>I had a great time watching it.

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<v Speaker 5>I was happy I went.

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<v Speaker 4>I was happy I saw in a theater with other

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<v Speaker 4>humans who were also not having sex.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that the couple, the nerd couple.

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<v Speaker 4>Next to me might have gone home and gotten it

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<v Speaker 4>on immediately, though they were very let's just say, demonstrative

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<v Speaker 4>in the theater.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's why I don't like going to the theater anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>This just too much going on.

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