WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.279 --> 00:00:05.280 Hudson River Radio dot com. 2 00:00:05.559 --> 00:00:09.039 This is Travis Walton and you are listening to UFO 3 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:23.640 Headquarters Beautiful Headquarters and welcome to another episode of UFO 4 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:28.800 Headquarters dot Hudson Riverradio dot com. I'm Michael wardon with 5 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:30.519 Linda Zimmerman. Linda, how are you? 6 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:32.280 I'm good. How are you doing? 7 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:35.320 I'm well. I came back from I know some favorite 8 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:41.039 places of yours, Gettysburg and Antietam. Yes, so my Philip Battlefield. 9 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:45.560 Yeah, I've got to get all the particulars. So you 10 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:48.640 got in a little late, right, Yes, yep. 11 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:50.960 And I have some photos that send you, which she'll 12 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:51.520 be happy about. 13 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:55.719 Great, great, All right, Well, we're doing dust Bin of 14 00:00:55.880 --> 00:01:00.560 Ufology number three tonight. People love these where we just 15 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:05.319 pull stories from all parts of history that really a 16 00:01:05.400 --> 00:01:08.159 lot of people don't know about. So, but you've got 17 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:10.200 something to start us off with. 18 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:17.359 Yeah. So a listener of the program who I had 19 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:19.439 the opportunity to meet her and her family when they 20 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:23.400 were in Port Jervis for other reasons, and had reached 21 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:26.079 out to me with an incident that she's never talked about. 22 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:28.280 And I'm not using her name because I don't know 23 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:32.159 that if she wants her name used, but she wanted 24 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:34.200 to tell me that back in nineteen eighty, when she 25 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:38.040 was around eight years old, they lived in South Salem, 26 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:38.519 New York. 27 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:40.040 Oh I know it well. 28 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:44.840 Yeah, and they had been there for about two and 29 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:47.359 a half years, And she writes, I have a very 30 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:50.480 clear memory of peeking out of the blinds in my 31 00:01:50.560 --> 00:01:53.760 bedroom one night and seeing a big, flat, stainless steel 32 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:57.560 triangle as big as the house in the front yard, 33 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:04.120 totally quiet. It had two to three blinking lights, green 34 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:07.319 or yellow or maybe red. I shut the blind and 35 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:11.560 peeked again. Still there. I laid there, scared, frozen in 36 00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:14.000 my bed and didn't want to move. That's all I remember. 37 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:16.639 The whole thing was maybe five to ten minutes. I 38 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:20.439 guess I fell asleep. Don't remember telling a soul until now. 39 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:24.319 No lost time, but I did have an unusual spell 40 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:29.120 of behaviors for me, like basically wanting to run away. 41 00:02:29.199 --> 00:02:33.560 Parents telling her she had an attitude. Now, she did 42 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:36.439 attribute that that they were being preparing to move somewhere else, 43 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:39.719 but it was unusual for her to act like that, 44 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:44.120 and it seemed to coincide with the with the event. 45 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:47.400 That's something I got in a follow up contact just 46 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:54.280 to sort of clarify. So very interesting and. 47 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:58.199 Yeah, the two things, Yeah, the two things I take 48 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:02.840 out of that is they're usually black triangles. I can't 49 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:06.879 recall a stainless steel looking triangle. 50 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:07.639 Yeah. 51 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:12.039 And also no missing time, but I guess I fell asleep. 52 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:15.319 Yeah, that's what I wonder. I didn't want to press that, 53 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:19.240 but I will right follow up because that's one of 54 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:20.439 the things I wondered about. 55 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:24.919 Yeah, that's a great story. And they just you know, 56 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:29.960 we're what how many years now, forty five years and 57 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:35.599 still brand new stories are coming out. That's great. 58 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:38.319 So I do appreciate that. And again, if you had 59 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:40.759 an experience, reach out to reach out to the show, 60 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:43.919 reach out to us, and you could be anonymous. We're 61 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:46.080 not gonna put your name out there if you don't 62 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:46.400 want to. 63 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:52.639 Yeah, and if anyone else has silver metal metallic triangle sightings, 64 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:57.120 I've heard gun metal, I've heard black, never heard you know, 65 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:03.759 silvery silver. Yeah, excellent. All right, So we're going way 66 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:07.960 back to start this dust Bin episode. I, as you know, 67 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:11.199 I'm preaching to the choir. You and I love these old, 68 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:16.120 old dusty books that we get these cases out of. 69 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:23.000 We're going back to ancient Rome to fourteen BC, somebody 70 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:28.759 chronicled that the forms of ships were seen over the 71 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:34.759 in the sky over Rome. Okay, not the gods were 72 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:38.879 riding chariots, not big birds. They're saying ships were in 73 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:45.319 the sky over Rome. One seventy BC. At Lanuillum, which 74 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:48.920 is how you pronounce it in Latin. It's where the 75 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:55.480 current town of Lanvio is on the Appian Way. Don't 76 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:57.959 you love that? One day when I was on the 77 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:05.480 Appian Way, sixteen miles southeast of Rome, a remarkable spectacle 78 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:12.040 of a fleet of ships was seen in the air. Okay, 79 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:14.959 once you think, all right, someone had a little too 80 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:20.800 much vino. But so there is something quite you know. 81 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:24.680 I'm like, you're always looking for, Well, what rational reason 82 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:27.879 could it have been? Back then, there is that thing 83 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:33.000 Fata Morgana, which is a superior image mirage where when 84 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:37.040 you're on the coast there can be temperature inversions and 85 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:41.519 it looks like ships are floating above the water. Well, 86 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:46.439 that's fine for the coast, but Lanuwium is twenty seven 87 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:53.399 miles from the coast and there's mountains in between, so 88 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:58.360 that doesn't that doesn't explain it. So, and then one 89 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:03.920 o six BC it was recorded that a bird that 90 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:08.959 flew in the sky and set houses on fire was 91 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:10.040 seen in Rome. 92 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:16.360 What that Yeah, I don't know what that would have been, 93 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:20.120 but yeah, so houses on fire. 94 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:27.879 Dripping, you know, exhaust fiery, exhaust dripping, you know, there's ships, 95 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:30.360 we hear dripping molten metal. I don't know they were 96 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:35.600 in a bad mood, all I know in ancient Rome 97 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:40.439 there was there was some weird excrementum going on, shall 98 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:44.720 we say to stick with our our Latin. I mean 99 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:49.319 these were not Carthaginian weather balloons. Do you have any they. 100 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:53.040 Could have been Carthaginian swamp gas? 101 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:58.800 Yeah, I mean how do you explain that multiple? 102 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:03.000 I mean, it's I'd want to go try to find 103 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:05.720 the original sources that they used. But if taking a 104 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:08.199 face value, if it's not along the coast, what are 105 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:11.920 they seeing and that they're interpreting as ships that would 106 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:14.360 have been, you know, consistent with their knowledge of the day. 107 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:18.319 And I would point out too probably that the Aliens, 108 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:21.759 if they were indeed from another planet, weren't even brave 109 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:24.000 enough to face the Roman legions of the time, it 110 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:27.399 seems by landing and challenging. 111 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:32.160 Them, no, would you No? Yeah, So I just thought 112 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:36.519 that was those were you know, like I said, when 113 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:39.720 you see one isolated one and if someone was saying, 114 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:43.279 you know, it's certainly not anything meteorological, you know, I 115 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:51.560 don't think clouds would be seen as a fleet of ships. 116 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:52.079 A fireball and yeah, through the air. 117 00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:55.519 And I don't see how it could be astronomical because 118 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:58.680 they're not saying it was out in space. It was 119 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:02.879 in the you know, seen in the sky over Rome. 120 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:12.480 So very interesting. All right, there's let's skip ahead. A millennium. 121 00:08:12.759 --> 00:08:18.759 Roger of Wendover was a monk at Saint Albans Monastery. 122 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:19.079 There. 123 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:22.920 He was a chronicler, you know, he wrote down history 124 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:30.000 and he wrote that in seven ninety six AD, small 125 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:36.080 globes were seen circling the sun, which I'm trying to 126 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:41.279 think of what astronomically or meteor you know, meteorologically that 127 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:44.519 could be. So I'm like, you know, you're reading these 128 00:08:44.559 --> 00:08:47.720 old books and it's like, all right, was there a 129 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:51.919 Roger of Wendover because sometimes people make things up, and yes, 130 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:57.279 but the book that this was written in he wrote 131 00:08:57.279 --> 00:09:01.240 it in the year twelve thirty six. It was called 132 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:05.720 Flowers of History. From the Descent of the Saxons to 133 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:11.000 twelve thirty five AD. Like, wait a minute, it says 134 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:15.799 Roger of Wendover is he's putting this event at seven 135 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:21.759 ninety six, so he was not the witness. He was 136 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:26.120 working from old manuscripts, so it didn't in the book 137 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:28.799 I was reading it, it made it seem like in 138 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:34.639 seven ninety six Roger Wendover, so he did write this, 139 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:39.559 he was a monk chronicler. But I'd love to know 140 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:44.360 what manuscript he was looking at, you know, what ancient 141 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:52.559 manuscript where small globes were seen circling the sun? So yeah, 142 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:58.159 I just love that they're so tantalizing, because what the heck, 143 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:00.720 what the heck could it be? Why don't we take 144 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:03.279 our first break and then we'll get into some more 145 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:05.399 recent dust bins. 146 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:16.679 Hudson River Radio dot com Hudson Riverradio dot com. Your 147 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:23.919 mom likes us. Well, we're back from the interesting encounter 148 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:26.440 there from England. I guess it would have been. 149 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:30.279 Is that where yees St Albans round Over? Yeah, yeah, 150 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:38.600 north of London St Albes. The globes around the sun, Yeah, 151 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:41.679 not passing in front of the sun. They're saying, going 152 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:42.559 around the sun. 153 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:44.799 Yeah, like in orbit, which is interesting. 154 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:51.600 Yeah, all right, so let's jump to nineteen thirty five Ethiopia. 155 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:56.879 Everyone was nervous in October of thirty five because if 156 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:02.120 you know your history, Italy was Invader Mussolini. I'm sure 157 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:07.120 everybody's heard of him. He was. He was actually you know, 158 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:13.039 everybody thinks the Nazis invented fascism. No, Mussolini, he was 159 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:19.679 the of. He was the original fascist. Mussolini was the 160 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:25.200 of and he wanted to take over Ethiopia. So everybody, 161 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:29.039 as I said, everybody's a little nervous. There was a frenchman, 162 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:34.679 Pierre is Shock I hope I'm pronouncing i c h ac. 163 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:39.080 He was in the capital of Addis Ababa at the time. 164 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:42.759 He was an engineer, a photographer, a set designer, a 165 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:46.200 world traveler. He was. He was rather famous. You can 166 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:48.440 you know, if you search his name, you'll find his 167 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:53.679 photographs and he just you know, traveled the world. And 168 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:58.440 there's this big crowd and everybody starts yelling it's the Italians, 169 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:03.279 it's the Italians. So he looks over and everybody's pointing 170 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:06.879 up at the sky yelling it's the Italians. Because they're 171 00:12:06.919 --> 00:12:10.600 afraid they're going to be bombed, so he looks up. 172 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:14.320 It's definitely not the Italian Air Force. He said, it 173 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:19.720 was a silver disk, motionless in the sky for a 174 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:23.759 long time. It was hanging there for so long. Once 175 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:27.759 people realized it wasn't dropping bombs, they lost interest and 176 00:12:27.799 --> 00:12:32.639 went away. But he had his camera and he tried 177 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:35.759 to focus on it, and he said all it would 178 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:39.559 have been was a tiny speck, so instead he took 179 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:43.600 pictures of the crowd all pointing up. I'm trying to 180 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:48.840 find those pictures. He said. It was definitely not a balloon, 181 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:54.000 silver disc. Is it checking out what's going on in 182 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:58.960 the you know, as Ethiopia is being invaded, and they 183 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:02.840 did definitely have something to worry about because thirty thousand 184 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:07.600 Ethiopians are estimated to have been killed in the Italian takeover. 185 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:10.879 Of course, the Italian said it was just a few hundred, 186 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:16.679 but you know, you know how that goes. So yeah, 187 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:20.159 I mean, this guy's an engineer and a photographer, and 188 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:24.639 he's like, yeah, not not anything I ever saw. 189 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:27.600 And consistent with the timeframe, there would have been nothing 190 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:31.159 dis shape that would have just hovered in the sky 191 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:33.639 or you know, remained motionless up in the air for 192 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:34.759 extended periods of time. 193 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:40.039 Right, what is it exactly? So then we're just going 194 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:44.480 a few years later to Morocco. Have you been there? 195 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:48.639 No, not yet on your list, Yeah, it's on there somewhere. 196 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:54.879 So nineteen forty two. So this I'm rather than summarized. 197 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:58.320 I want to I want to just read. It's about 198 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:03.480 a page and a half. So we're going to I'm 199 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:08.159 gonna butcher these wallin which is situated in the Odra 200 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:12.200 in Abnet. It's in the heart of the desert. Okay, 201 00:14:12.519 --> 00:14:17.120 we're in the desert and here it was an isolated 202 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:20.799 fort near a well on the site of the ancient 203 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:25.080 kas Ba. All right, we've heard of that, Okay, on 204 00:14:25.240 --> 00:14:28.440 the Kasba there, but out in the middle of the desert, 205 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:37.120 and it was near a station for Soudan caravans, so 206 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:42.559 they still had caravans across the desert. In nineteen forty two, 207 00:14:42.759 --> 00:14:48.240 a small detachment of ten camel riders. Do you love that? 208 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:54.600 Ten camel riders, two radio operators, and a meteorologist named Martin. Well, 209 00:14:54.679 --> 00:15:00.279 these were French, so Martin comprised the garrison. This is 210 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:04.759 a group of French soldiers there in the middle of 211 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:10.159 the desert. You know, probably more worried about Nazis than Aliens. 212 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:14.919 On April fourth, a group commanded by Captain Louis le 213 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:19.159 Prier arrived from the south with the intention of staying 214 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:23.399 three weeks. So again, are they making this up? I 215 00:15:23.480 --> 00:15:28.519 look up la Prier, very well known, highly decorated soldier, 216 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:35.799 went on to command French troops in several wars. This 217 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:39.000 is his own statement. We had been there a few 218 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:42.519 days when one morning the meteorologists came in and drew 219 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:46.279 my attention to a kind of planet which had appeared 220 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:50.960 in the cloudless sky immediately above the fort. The object 221 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:53.919 was visible to the naked eye and looked like a 222 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:59.399 small aluminum speck. There were about forty of us, and 223 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:03.679 we saw quite plainly, as the atmosphere was perfectly clear. 224 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:08.960 When we examined it more closely through our field glasses 225 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:13.960 and a telescope, the planet looked like a small moon 226 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:19.720 or a five franc piece a coin. It had a 227 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:23.799 pale metallic glint and seemed to be suspended at an 228 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:28.200 altitude of fifteen to eighteen thousand feet. It appeared to 229 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:34.000 be motionless, but prolonged examination with the telescope revealed that 230 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:40.840 it was slowly rotating. We counted three complete revolutions in 231 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:45.759 eight hours. So they're observing this thing for eight hours, 232 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:50.240 just hanging there, rotating again. Nineteen forty two. 233 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:58.039 That no moon, that's a battle station. That's I can't 234 00:16:58.039 --> 00:16:59.120 believe I beat you to it. 235 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:06.160 Come on, Oh, well, time the next morning it was 236 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:11.160 still there immediately overhead, and we began to take it 237 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:15.319 for granted, assuming that it must be a stray star 238 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:19.759 or a new satellite attracted by the gravitational pull of 239 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:24.400 the Earth. Well, they were soldiers, they were not astronomers. 240 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:27.200 But they're trying to you know, what the hell is this? 241 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:32.759 And for at the time, flying saucers had not been 242 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:36.799 heard of. Okay, so they have no frame of reference. 243 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:45.799 They're not thinking, you know, from outer space. So here 244 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:50.559 comes the explanation, the official explanation. So the captain sent 245 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:57.039 a telegram to the national meteorological authorities and Algiers reporting 246 00:17:57.079 --> 00:17:59.799 exactly what had happened. They had been observing it for 247 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:05.880 hours and hours and hours, and it's there basically a 248 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:11.799 day and the next day. Algier's university was consulted. For 249 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:16.039 some time later, it informed us that the object we 250 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:22.000 had seen was nothing but the star vega okay, in 251 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:27.279 broad daylight, rotating over their head. So the captain said, 252 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:32.440 this explanation struck us as unexpected and improbable, as a 253 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:35.400 star does not remain for two whole days in the 254 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:39.559 same spot immediately overhead and so close is to be 255 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:44.400 examined at leisure with an ordinary telescope. I have often 256 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:47.559 wondered what could have been the nature and origin of 257 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:52.319 the strange disc with its metallic gleam, and what could 258 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:55.599 have caused it to remain in the sky above the 259 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:59.680 Sahara landscape, where nothing of interest is to be seen 260 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:04.279 part from our small fort. Was it the proximity of 261 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:11.000 its shortwave transmitter or of the iron deposits uh nearby, 262 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:14.359 which well have could could have been a source of 263 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:20.359 great magnetic activity? Or was it merely due to the unaccepted, 264 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:25.680 unaccountable workings of chance. So we have a short wave 265 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:32.440 transmitter and we have very potent iron deposits nearby that 266 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:35.920 this craft seems to be hanging over. But yeah, the 267 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:40.880 star vega. To you go back to the Latin that 268 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:45.160 we were using earlier. I think that explanation is a 269 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:51.359 Taurus excrementum h So what do you think of that case? 270 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:55.519 Well, first of all, now we know where Project blue 271 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:59.880 Book got their blueprint from. They found war records and 272 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:02.200 someone had an air force remembered it and said, hey, 273 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:05.039 I got a great idea. You know, we're just going 274 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:08.680 to use venus instead of you know, bega. But yeah, 275 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:11.920 a star in broad daylight in the same place. He 276 00:20:12.279 --> 00:20:15.200 before you even read it, I was thinking that. And 277 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:18.720 you could see it with an ordinary telescope, right, and 278 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:19.640 you could see it. 279 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:22.160 The surface of it, and it's metallic. 280 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:28.039 Yes, okay, that's that's not a normal astronomical observation of 281 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:31.799 a star. And you know you're an astronomer, you, I 282 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:35.200 know you have cool telescopes and can see cool things. Yes. 283 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:37.240 Have you ever seen a star rotating. 284 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:40.200 That looks like a five franc piece? 285 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:40.680 Oh? 286 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:42.359 Directly overhead? No? 287 00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:42.640 No? 288 00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:47.039 And that's the thing. It had to have surface features 289 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:51.240 in order to realize it was rotating, right, right, If 290 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:55.119 it was a shiny silver ball, you wouldn't be able 291 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:56.720 to know, am I looking at the front the back 292 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:59.480 because it would all look the same. So apparently there 293 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:05.240 was some sort of features to it as well. And 294 00:21:05.480 --> 00:21:10.799 as I said, you can look up this captain, long, long, 295 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:15.599 storied history. It would not have behooved him to put 296 00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:16.680 this story out. 297 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:24.640 No yet two right nineteen middle in the middle of 298 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:25.359 World War two. 299 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:27.440 Yeah, in the Sahara French. 300 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:31.079 Well, the French are under occupation, you know, like right, 301 00:21:31.279 --> 00:21:34.559 he's going to just decide to randomly generate a fake 302 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:39.200 Like no, that's it doesn't pass their their excuse doesn't. 303 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:45.519 Pass the no test, the excrementum test. Yeah, it doesn't failed. 304 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:46.519 Excrementum bad. 305 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:51.240 Yeah, So what that reminded me of, As we've spoken 306 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:55.240 about this before. On October eighteenth, twenty twelve, in the 307 00:21:55.319 --> 00:22:00.839 Hudson Valley, witnesses up and down the Hudson Valley hours 308 00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:08.640 were filming a bright metallic cylinder. We've had somebody on 309 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:13.200 the show who video taped it and described it as 310 00:22:13.519 --> 00:22:18.720 a telephone pole wrapped in aluminum foil. There was high 311 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:22.720 winds that day and it was just hanging in the 312 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:27.359 sky and a man who was a pilot and he 313 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:31.079 was an aerial videographer. This is what he did for 314 00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:34.799 a living. He filmed this thing for two hours and 315 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:38.160 was trying to get you know, he's calling air traffic 316 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:42.039 control in the FAA and no one was interested. You 317 00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:45.119 have a giant metallic cylinder just hanging in the sky 318 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:48.240 in you know, the Hudson Valley has a lot of 319 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:53.640 air traffic from all their airports. It was a hazard, 320 00:22:53.759 --> 00:23:00.160 but nobody seemed to be interested. So again multiple well, 321 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:03.119 they had over forty witnesses. They're looking at it through 322 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:06.680 a telescope. It's in the same spot the next day. 323 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:10.920 This one in the Hudson Valley lasted about four hours. 324 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:16.519 But still when five seconds of seeing a UFO will, 325 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:21.319 you know, can change your life. Something hanging over us 326 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:23.960 for four hours, it's And so. 327 00:23:24.039 --> 00:23:27.799 One more observation is their initial thought was that it 328 00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:32.319 wasn't even anything to do with intelligence. It was something 329 00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:36.920 got trapped, you know, some kind of a foreign body. 330 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:41.559 I guess, yeah, asteroid, right right, right. 331 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:45.519 But still defy explanation to just hover in one spot 332 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:48.480 and rotate. But you know, it's not like they're going 333 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:53.319 out claiming they're seeing aliens. In observation is something that 334 00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:55.000 this is an odd phenomenon. What is this? 335 00:23:55.839 --> 00:24:03.400 Yeah, and you know, to then give a very detailed 336 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:10.119 description and to get that excuse back. It's so you know, 337 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:15.119 we like to think that stupid excuses are a modern 338 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:20.480 thing now, they've they've been a law around the all 339 00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:24.440 that time. But to be able to compare something that 340 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:29.839 happened in the middle of the Sahara in forty two 341 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:33.240 with something that happened in the Hudson Valley in twenty twelve, 342 00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:38.839 it's it's pretty remarkable. So why don't we take our 343 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:42.799 second break and then we're going to be root. This 344 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:47.079 is Hudson River Radio dot com, your local Rockland County station. 345 00:24:52.720 --> 00:25:00.839 This is Hudson River Radio dot com. 346 00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:04.880 So we're back, and I'm still hung up on the 347 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:09.279 excuse from the last encounter we discussed in the excrement tests, 348 00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:11.839 and I'm thinking in Latin we would just have to 349 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:17.359 call it stinkus maximus or something. I don't know's it's 350 00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:21.240 baffling because we're so used to hearing the venus excuse, 351 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:25.839 for example, so often cited in the Project blue Book files, 352 00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:29.759 and here it is, you know, pre dating Project Bluebook, 353 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:33.759 and someone not even a witness or someone who investigated it, 354 00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:36.400 to someone who got their reports from a credible source 355 00:25:36.400 --> 00:25:39.680 you would expect, and then their interpretation of it is 356 00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:41.319 it's got to be the star. 357 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:44.440 In the middle of the bright sunshine. 358 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:47.759 Cloudless sky, right, like I would love to know the 359 00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:50.759 mental gymnastics they went through to get to that conclusion. 360 00:25:50.960 --> 00:25:54.200 Yeah, and why even bother trying to put out why 361 00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:57.200 not say we don't know, we you know, we had 362 00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:59.519 no other reports. We can't tell you what it is. 363 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.119 Don't say something stupid, because that just makes it worse, 364 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:09.599 right exactly, So all right, we are going to Bairut Lebanon. 365 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:16.640 There is another engineer I love, engineer, pilot scientist, reports 366 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:26.000 M Philippe d'orse. He was installing radio and electronic equipment 367 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:32.160 at Bayroot Airport in nineteen fifty three. This is February 368 00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:36.599 of nineteen fifty three. So the war is over. They're 369 00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:40.920 building an airport. They're you know, modernizing and building an airport. 370 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:46.160 So on February twenty eighth, at six forty pm, Bay 371 00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:51.920 Root time, Okay, that that's a good time to do it, 372 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:55.359 since you're in Bay Route. I was just leaving my 373 00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:59.160 room with a box of Coda chrome films, which I 374 00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:04.279 intended to show my neighbors. The room looks out on 375 00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:08.640 a terrace with an uninterrupted view about one hundred and 376 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:11.960 thirty feet above sea level. I had a range of 377 00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:16.400 vision of about seventy degrees. It was a rather dark night, 378 00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:20.480 and the stars were somewhat obscured by a slight mist. 379 00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:25.359 My attention was attracted by a luminous object right in 380 00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:30.160 front of me, some twenty degrees above the horizon. I 381 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:34.319 see aircraft passing there almost every day, and it seemed 382 00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:38.359 to me about the spot where the aircraft turned before 383 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:43.680 coming into the Beirut airfield. What struck me most about 384 00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:49.480 this object was its vivid crimson light, much bigger than 385 00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:54.000 the ordinary lights of aircraft. I looked intently for some 386 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:57.839 time and noticed what I saw was not the usual 387 00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:02.200 blinking lights green and white, which aircraft display in the 388 00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:07.279 vicinity of the airport. The light traveled calmly towards the 389 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:11.200 horizon like an airplane, at an altitude of about two 390 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:14.759 thousand feet. I thought for a moment that it might 391 00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:20.039 be some aircraft in difficulties, like the engine on fire perhaps, 392 00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:26.759 except that it was moving away at steadily. My curiosity 393 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:30.680 thoroughly aroused. I walked down the hill to my neighbor's home. 394 00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:34.920 Now these were just not typical neighbors. This home was 395 00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:41.039 had four professors living in it, all right, So we 396 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:46.880 have an engineer and four professors, and he said, would 397 00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:50.279 you like to see a flying saucer? I said jokingly 398 00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:54.359 to them. My neighbors smiled and assented, and we went 399 00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:58.960 out onto the steps. To our surprise, we saw that 400 00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:04.720 two more of the mysterious objects had appeared on the scene. 401 00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:10.000