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Speaker 2: Linda Zimmerman. Linda, how are you?
Speaker 1: I'm good. How are you doing?
Speaker 2: I'm well. I came back from I know some favorite
Speaker 2: places of yours, Gettysburg and Antietam. Yes, so my Philip Battlefield.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got to get all the particulars. So you
Speaker 1: got in a little late, right, Yes, yep.
Speaker 2: And I have some photos that send you, which she'll
Speaker 2: be happy about.
Speaker 1: Great, great, All right, Well, we're doing dust Bin of
Speaker 1: Ufology number three tonight. People love these where we just
Speaker 1: pull stories from all parts of history that really a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know about. So, but you've got
Speaker 1: something to start us off with.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So a listener of the program who I had
Speaker 2: the opportunity to meet her and her family when they
Speaker 2: were in Port Jervis for other reasons, and had reached
Speaker 2: out to me with an incident that she's never talked about.
Speaker 2: And I'm not using her name because I don't know
Speaker 2: that if she wants her name used, but she wanted
Speaker 2: to tell me that back in nineteen eighty, when she
Speaker 2: was around eight years old, they lived in South Salem,
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 1: Oh I know it well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they had been there for about two and
Speaker 2: a half years, And she writes, I have a very
Speaker 2: clear memory of peeking out of the blinds in my
Speaker 2: bedroom one night and seeing a big, flat, stainless steel
Speaker 2: triangle as big as the house in the front yard,
Speaker 2: totally quiet. It had two to three blinking lights, green
Speaker 2: or yellow or maybe red. I shut the blind and
Speaker 2: peeked again. Still there. I laid there, scared, frozen in
Speaker 2: my bed and didn't want to move. That's all I remember.
Speaker 2: The whole thing was maybe five to ten minutes. I
Speaker 2: guess I fell asleep. Don't remember telling a soul until now.
Speaker 2: No lost time, but I did have an unusual spell
Speaker 2: of behaviors for me, like basically wanting to run away.
Speaker 2: Parents telling her she had an attitude. Now, she did
Speaker 2: attribute that that they were being preparing to move somewhere else,
Speaker 2: but it was unusual for her to act like that,
Speaker 2: and it seemed to coincide with the with the event.
Speaker 2: That's something I got in a follow up contact just
Speaker 2: to sort of clarify. So very interesting and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the two things, Yeah, the two things I take
Speaker 1: out of that is they're usually black triangles. I can't
Speaker 1: recall a stainless steel looking triangle.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also no missing time, but I guess I fell asleep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I wonder. I didn't want to press that,
Speaker 2: but I will right follow up because that's one of
Speaker 2: the things I wondered about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great story. And they just you know,
Speaker 1: we're what how many years now, forty five years and
Speaker 1: still brand new stories are coming out. That's great.
Speaker 2: So I do appreciate that. And again, if you had
Speaker 2: an experience, reach out to reach out to the show,
Speaker 2: reach out to us, and you could be anonymous. We're
Speaker 2: not gonna put your name out there if you don't
Speaker 2: want to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if anyone else has silver metal metallic triangle sightings,
Speaker 1: I've heard gun metal, I've heard black, never heard you know,
Speaker 1: silvery silver. Yeah, excellent. All right, So we're going way
Speaker 1: back to start this dust Bin episode. I, as you know,
Speaker 1: I'm preaching to the choir. You and I love these old,
Speaker 1: old dusty books that we get these cases out of.
Speaker 1: We're going back to ancient Rome to fourteen BC, somebody
Speaker 1: chronicled that the forms of ships were seen over the
Speaker 1: in the sky over Rome. Okay, not the gods were
Speaker 1: riding chariots, not big birds. They're saying ships were in
Speaker 1: the sky over Rome. One seventy BC. At Lanuillum, which
Speaker 1: is how you pronounce it in Latin. It's where the
Speaker 1: current town of Lanvio is on the Appian Way. Don't
Speaker 1: you love that? One day when I was on the
Speaker 1: Appian Way, sixteen miles southeast of Rome, a remarkable spectacle
Speaker 1: of a fleet of ships was seen in the air. Okay,
Speaker 1: once you think, all right, someone had a little too
Speaker 1: much vino. But so there is something quite you know.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're always looking for, Well, what rational reason
Speaker 1: could it have been? Back then, there is that thing
Speaker 1: Fata Morgana, which is a superior image mirage where when
Speaker 1: you're on the coast there can be temperature inversions and
Speaker 1: it looks like ships are floating above the water. Well,
Speaker 1: that's fine for the coast, but Lanuwium is twenty seven
Speaker 1: miles from the coast and there's mountains in between, so
Speaker 1: that doesn't that doesn't explain it. So, and then one
Speaker 1: o six BC it was recorded that a bird that
Speaker 1: flew in the sky and set houses on fire was
Speaker 1: seen in Rome.
Speaker 2: What that Yeah, I don't know what that would have been,
Speaker 2: but yeah, so houses on fire.
Speaker 1: Dripping, you know, exhaust fiery, exhaust dripping, you know, there's ships,
Speaker 1: we hear dripping molten metal. I don't know they were
Speaker 1: in a bad mood, all I know in ancient Rome
Speaker 1: there was there was some weird excrementum going on, shall
Speaker 1: we say to stick with our our Latin. I mean
Speaker 1: these were not Carthaginian weather balloons. Do you have any they.
Speaker 2: Could have been Carthaginian swamp gas?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean how do you explain that multiple?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's I'd want to go try to find
Speaker 2: the original sources that they used. But if taking a
Speaker 2: face value, if it's not along the coast, what are
Speaker 2: they seeing and that they're interpreting as ships that would
Speaker 2: have been, you know, consistent with their knowledge of the day.
Speaker 2: And I would point out too probably that the Aliens,
Speaker 2: if they were indeed from another planet, weren't even brave
Speaker 2: enough to face the Roman legions of the time, it
Speaker 2: seems by landing and challenging.
Speaker 1: Them, no, would you No? Yeah, So I just thought
Speaker 1: that was those were you know, like I said, when
Speaker 1: you see one isolated one and if someone was saying,
Speaker 1: you know, it's certainly not anything meteorological, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think clouds would be seen as a fleet of ships.
Speaker 2: A fireball and yeah, through the air.
Speaker 1: And I don't see how it could be astronomical because
Speaker 1: they're not saying it was out in space. It was
Speaker 1: in the you know, seen in the sky over Rome.
Speaker 1: So very interesting. All right, there's let's skip ahead. A millennium.
Speaker 1: Roger of Wendover was a monk at Saint Albans Monastery.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: He was a chronicler, you know, he wrote down history
Speaker 1: and he wrote that in seven ninety six AD, small
Speaker 1: globes were seen circling the sun, which I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think of what astronomically or meteor you know, meteorologically that
Speaker 1: could be. So I'm like, you know, you're reading these
Speaker 1: old books and it's like, all right, was there a
Speaker 1: Roger of Wendover because sometimes people make things up, and yes,
Speaker 1: but the book that this was written in he wrote
Speaker 1: it in the year twelve thirty six. It was called
Speaker 1: Flowers of History. From the Descent of the Saxons to
Speaker 1: twelve thirty five AD. Like, wait a minute, it says
Speaker 1: Roger of Wendover is he's putting this event at seven
Speaker 1: ninety six, so he was not the witness. He was
Speaker 1: working from old manuscripts, so it didn't in the book
Speaker 1: I was reading it, it made it seem like in
Speaker 1: seven ninety six Roger Wendover, so he did write this,
Speaker 1: he was a monk chronicler. But I'd love to know
Speaker 1: what manuscript he was looking at, you know, what ancient
Speaker 1: manuscript where small globes were seen circling the sun? So yeah,
Speaker 1: I just love that they're so tantalizing, because what the heck,
Speaker 1: what the heck could it be? Why don't we take
Speaker 1: our first break and then we'll get into some more
Speaker 1: recent dust bins.
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Speaker 2: there from England. I guess it would have been.
Speaker 1: Is that where yees St Albans round Over? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: north of London St Albes. The globes around the sun, Yeah,
Speaker 1: not passing in front of the sun. They're saying, going
Speaker 1: around the sun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like in orbit, which is interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so let's jump to nineteen thirty five Ethiopia.
Speaker 1: Everyone was nervous in October of thirty five because if
Speaker 1: you know your history, Italy was Invader Mussolini. I'm sure
Speaker 1: everybody's heard of him. He was. He was actually you know,
Speaker 1: everybody thinks the Nazis invented fascism. No, Mussolini, he was
Speaker 1: the of. He was the original fascist. Mussolini was the
Speaker 1: of and he wanted to take over Ethiopia. So everybody,
Speaker 1: as I said, everybody's a little nervous. There was a frenchman,
Speaker 1: Pierre is Shock I hope I'm pronouncing i c h ac.
Speaker 1: He was in the capital of Addis Ababa at the time.
Speaker 1: He was an engineer, a photographer, a set designer, a
Speaker 1: world traveler. He was. He was rather famous. You can
Speaker 1: you know, if you search his name, you'll find his
Speaker 1: photographs and he just you know, traveled the world. And
Speaker 1: there's this big crowd and everybody starts yelling it's the Italians,
Speaker 1: it's the Italians. So he looks over and everybody's pointing
Speaker 1: up at the sky yelling it's the Italians. Because they're
Speaker 1: afraid they're going to be bombed, so he looks up.
Speaker 1: It's definitely not the Italian Air Force. He said, it
Speaker 1: was a silver disk, motionless in the sky for a
Speaker 1: long time. It was hanging there for so long. Once
Speaker 1: people realized it wasn't dropping bombs, they lost interest and
Speaker 1: went away. But he had his camera and he tried
Speaker 1: to focus on it, and he said all it would
Speaker 1: have been was a tiny speck, so instead he took
Speaker 1: pictures of the crowd all pointing up. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: find those pictures. He said. It was definitely not a balloon,
Speaker 1: silver disc. Is it checking out what's going on in
Speaker 1: the you know, as Ethiopia is being invaded, and they
Speaker 1: did definitely have something to worry about because thirty thousand
Speaker 1: Ethiopians are estimated to have been killed in the Italian takeover.
Speaker 1: Of course, the Italian said it was just a few hundred,
Speaker 1: but you know, you know how that goes. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's an engineer and a photographer, and
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, not not anything I ever saw.
Speaker 2: And consistent with the timeframe, there would have been nothing
Speaker 2: dis shape that would have just hovered in the sky
Speaker 2: or you know, remained motionless up in the air for
Speaker 2: extended periods of time.
Speaker 1: Right, what is it exactly? So then we're just going
Speaker 1: a few years later to Morocco. Have you been there?
Speaker 2: No, not yet on your list, Yeah, it's on there somewhere.
Speaker 1: So nineteen forty two. So this I'm rather than summarized.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to just read. It's about
Speaker 1: a page and a half. So we're going to I'm
Speaker 1: gonna butcher these wallin which is situated in the Odra
Speaker 1: in Abnet. It's in the heart of the desert. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're in the desert and here it was an isolated
Speaker 1: fort near a well on the site of the ancient
Speaker 1: kas Ba. All right, we've heard of that, Okay, on
Speaker 1: the Kasba there, but out in the middle of the desert,
Speaker 1: and it was near a station for Soudan caravans, so
Speaker 1: they still had caravans across the desert. In nineteen forty two,
Speaker 1: a small detachment of ten camel riders. Do you love that?
Speaker 1: Ten camel riders, two radio operators, and a meteorologist named Martin. Well,
Speaker 1: these were French, so Martin comprised the garrison. This is
Speaker 1: a group of French soldiers there in the middle of
Speaker 1: the desert. You know, probably more worried about Nazis than Aliens.
Speaker 1: On April fourth, a group commanded by Captain Louis le
Speaker 1: Prier arrived from the south with the intention of staying
Speaker 1: three weeks. So again, are they making this up? I
Speaker 1: look up la Prier, very well known, highly decorated soldier,
Speaker 1: went on to command French troops in several wars. This
Speaker 1: is his own statement. We had been there a few
Speaker 1: days when one morning the meteorologists came in and drew
Speaker 1: my attention to a kind of planet which had appeared
Speaker 1: in the cloudless sky immediately above the fort. The object
Speaker 1: was visible to the naked eye and looked like a
Speaker 1: small aluminum speck. There were about forty of us, and
Speaker 1: we saw quite plainly, as the atmosphere was perfectly clear.
Speaker 1: When we examined it more closely through our field glasses
Speaker 1: and a telescope, the planet looked like a small moon
Speaker 1: or a five franc piece a coin. It had a
Speaker 1: pale metallic glint and seemed to be suspended at an
Speaker 1: altitude of fifteen to eighteen thousand feet. It appeared to
Speaker 1: be motionless, but prolonged examination with the telescope revealed that
Speaker 1: it was slowly rotating. We counted three complete revolutions in
Speaker 1: eight hours. So they're observing this thing for eight hours,
Speaker 1: just hanging there, rotating again. Nineteen forty two.
Speaker 2: That no moon, that's a battle station. That's I can't
Speaker 2: believe I beat you to it.
Speaker 1: Come on, Oh, well, time the next morning it was
Speaker 1: still there immediately overhead, and we began to take it
Speaker 1: for granted, assuming that it must be a stray star
Speaker 1: or a new satellite attracted by the gravitational pull of
Speaker 1: the Earth. Well, they were soldiers, they were not astronomers.
Speaker 1: But they're trying to you know, what the hell is this?
Speaker 1: And for at the time, flying saucers had not been
Speaker 1: heard of. Okay, so they have no frame of reference.
Speaker 1: They're not thinking, you know, from outer space. So here
Speaker 1: comes the explanation, the official explanation. So the captain sent
Speaker 1: a telegram to the national meteorological authorities and Algiers reporting
Speaker 1: exactly what had happened. They had been observing it for
Speaker 1: hours and hours and hours, and it's there basically a
Speaker 1: day and the next day. Algier's university was consulted. For
Speaker 1: some time later, it informed us that the object we
Speaker 1: had seen was nothing but the star vega okay, in
Speaker 1: broad daylight, rotating over their head. So the captain said,
Speaker 1: this explanation struck us as unexpected and improbable, as a
Speaker 1: star does not remain for two whole days in the
Speaker 1: same spot immediately overhead and so close is to be
Speaker 1: examined at leisure with an ordinary telescope. I have often
Speaker 1: wondered what could have been the nature and origin of
Speaker 1: the strange disc with its metallic gleam, and what could
Speaker 1: have caused it to remain in the sky above the
Speaker 1: Sahara landscape, where nothing of interest is to be seen
Speaker 1: part from our small fort. Was it the proximity of
Speaker 1: its shortwave transmitter or of the iron deposits uh nearby,
Speaker 1: which well have could could have been a source of
Speaker 1: great magnetic activity? Or was it merely due to the unaccepted,
Speaker 1: unaccountable workings of chance. So we have a short wave
Speaker 1: transmitter and we have very potent iron deposits nearby that
Speaker 1: this craft seems to be hanging over. But yeah, the
Speaker 1: star vega. To you go back to the Latin that
Speaker 1: we were using earlier. I think that explanation is a
Speaker 1: Taurus excrementum h So what do you think of that case?
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, now we know where Project blue
Speaker 2: Book got their blueprint from. They found war records and
Speaker 2: someone had an air force remembered it and said, hey,
Speaker 2: I got a great idea. You know, we're just going
Speaker 2: to use venus instead of you know, bega. But yeah,
Speaker 2: a star in broad daylight in the same place. He
Speaker 2: before you even read it, I was thinking that. And
Speaker 2: you could see it with an ordinary telescope, right, and
Speaker 2: you could see it.
Speaker 1: The surface of it, and it's metallic.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, that's that's not a normal astronomical observation of
Speaker 2: a star. And you know you're an astronomer, you, I
Speaker 2: know you have cool telescopes and can see cool things. Yes.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a star rotating.
Speaker 1: That looks like a five franc piece?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Directly overhead? No?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. It had to have surface features
Speaker 1: in order to realize it was rotating, right, right, If
Speaker 1: it was a shiny silver ball, you wouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to know, am I looking at the front the back
Speaker 1: because it would all look the same. So apparently there
Speaker 1: was some sort of features to it as well. And
Speaker 1: as I said, you can look up this captain, long, long,
Speaker 1: storied history. It would not have behooved him to put
Speaker 1: this story out.
Speaker 2: No yet two right nineteen middle in the middle of
Speaker 2: World War two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the Sahara French.
Speaker 2: Well, the French are under occupation, you know, like right,
Speaker 2: he's going to just decide to randomly generate a fake
Speaker 2: Like no, that's it doesn't pass their their excuse doesn't.
Speaker 1: Pass the no test, the excrementum test. Yeah, it doesn't failed.
Speaker 2: Excrementum bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what that reminded me of, As we've spoken
Speaker 1: about this before. On October eighteenth, twenty twelve, in the
Speaker 1: Hudson Valley, witnesses up and down the Hudson Valley hours
Speaker 1: were filming a bright metallic cylinder. We've had somebody on
Speaker 1: the show who video taped it and described it as
Speaker 1: a telephone pole wrapped in aluminum foil. There was high
Speaker 1: winds that day and it was just hanging in the
Speaker 1: sky and a man who was a pilot and he
Speaker 1: was an aerial videographer. This is what he did for
Speaker 1: a living. He filmed this thing for two hours and
Speaker 1: was trying to get you know, he's calling air traffic
Speaker 1: control in the FAA and no one was interested. You
Speaker 1: have a giant metallic cylinder just hanging in the sky
Speaker 1: in you know, the Hudson Valley has a lot of
Speaker 1: air traffic from all their airports. It was a hazard,
Speaker 1: but nobody seemed to be interested. So again multiple well,
Speaker 1: they had over forty witnesses. They're looking at it through
Speaker 1: a telescope. It's in the same spot the next day.
Speaker 1: This one in the Hudson Valley lasted about four hours.
Speaker 1: But still when five seconds of seeing a UFO will,
Speaker 1: you know, can change your life. Something hanging over us
Speaker 1: for four hours, it's And so.
Speaker 2: One more observation is their initial thought was that it
Speaker 2: wasn't even anything to do with intelligence. It was something
Speaker 2: got trapped, you know, some kind of a foreign body.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, asteroid, right right, right.
Speaker 2: But still defy explanation to just hover in one spot
Speaker 2: and rotate. But you know, it's not like they're going
Speaker 2: out claiming they're seeing aliens. In observation is something that
Speaker 2: this is an odd phenomenon. What is this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, to then give a very detailed
Speaker 1: description and to get that excuse back. It's so you know,
Speaker 1: we like to think that stupid excuses are a modern
Speaker 1: thing now, they've they've been a law around the all
Speaker 1: that time. But to be able to compare something that
Speaker 1: happened in the middle of the Sahara in forty two
Speaker 1: with something that happened in the Hudson Valley in twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty remarkable. So why don't we take our
Speaker 1: second break and then we're going to be root. This
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Speaker 2: So we're back, and I'm still hung up on the
Speaker 2: excuse from the last encounter we discussed in the excrement tests,
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking in Latin we would just have to
Speaker 2: call it stinkus maximus or something. I don't know's it's
Speaker 2: baffling because we're so used to hearing the venus excuse,
Speaker 2: for example, so often cited in the Project blue Book files,
Speaker 2: and here it is, you know, pre dating Project Bluebook,
Speaker 2: and someone not even a witness or someone who investigated it,
Speaker 2: to someone who got their reports from a credible source
Speaker 2: you would expect, and then their interpretation of it is
Speaker 2: it's got to be the star.
Speaker 1: In the middle of the bright sunshine.
Speaker 2: Cloudless sky, right, like I would love to know the
Speaker 2: mental gymnastics they went through to get to that conclusion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and why even bother trying to put out why
Speaker 1: not say we don't know, we you know, we had
Speaker 1: no other reports. We can't tell you what it is.
Speaker 1: Don't say something stupid, because that just makes it worse,
Speaker 1: right exactly, So all right, we are going to Bairut Lebanon.
Speaker 1: There is another engineer I love, engineer, pilot scientist, reports
Speaker 1: M Philippe d'orse. He was installing radio and electronic equipment
Speaker 1: at Bayroot Airport in nineteen fifty three. This is February
Speaker 1: of nineteen fifty three. So the war is over. They're
Speaker 1: building an airport. They're you know, modernizing and building an airport.
Speaker 1: So on February twenty eighth, at six forty pm, Bay
Speaker 1: Root time, Okay, that that's a good time to do it,
Speaker 1: since you're in Bay Route. I was just leaving my
Speaker 1: room with a box of Coda chrome films, which I
Speaker 1: intended to show my neighbors. The room looks out on
Speaker 1: a terrace with an uninterrupted view about one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty feet above sea level. I had a range of
Speaker 1: vision of about seventy degrees. It was a rather dark night,
Speaker 1: and the stars were somewhat obscured by a slight mist.
Speaker 1: My attention was attracted by a luminous object right in
Speaker 1: front of me, some twenty degrees above the horizon. I
Speaker 1: see aircraft passing there almost every day, and it seemed
Speaker 1: to me about the spot where the aircraft turned before
Speaker 1: coming into the Beirut airfield. What struck me most about
Speaker 1: this object was its vivid crimson light, much bigger than
Speaker 1: the ordinary lights of aircraft. I looked intently for some
Speaker 1: time and noticed what I saw was not the usual
Speaker 1: blinking lights green and white, which aircraft display in the
Speaker 1: vicinity of the airport. The light traveled calmly towards the
Speaker 1: horizon like an airplane, at an altitude of about two
Speaker 1: thousand feet. I thought for a moment that it might
Speaker 1: be some aircraft in difficulties, like the engine on fire perhaps,
Speaker 1: except that it was moving away at steadily. My curiosity
Speaker 1: thoroughly aroused. I walked down the hill to my neighbor's home.
Speaker 1: Now these were just not typical neighbors. This home was
Speaker 1: had four professors living in it, all right, So we
Speaker 1: have an engineer and four professors, and he said, would
Speaker 1: you like to see a flying saucer? I said jokingly
Speaker 1: to them. My neighbors smiled and assented, and we went
Speaker 1: out onto the steps. To our surprise, we saw that
Speaker 1: two more of the mysterious objects had appeared on the scene.
Speaker 1: The original visitor, now farthest away, resembled a reddish star,
Speaker 1: and it was being followed by two others, one at
Speaker 1: the zenith and the other in the middle distance. The
Speaker 1: one overhead was much easier to distinguish. Its color was
Speaker 1: the same as the others. A vivid orange red disc
Speaker 1: of fairly sharp defined outline. Okay, this isn't a hazy
Speaker 1: blob of light that he can't tell what it is,
Speaker 1: a sharply defined disc. The objects passed immediately overhead, traveling
Speaker 1: on a straight course about ten degrees northeast. Their distance apart,
Speaker 1: apparently uniform, enabled us to see three or four in
Speaker 1: a line at the same time, the nearest being overhead
Speaker 1: and the farthest about ten degrees above the horizon. It
Speaker 1: took each object about three minutes to travel from straight
Speaker 1: overhead to the horizon. I would say that the apparent
Speaker 1: diameter of each object when passed overhead was between one
Speaker 1: fifth and one tenth the apparent diameter of the full moon.
Speaker 1: I hurried up to my room to touch to fetch
Speaker 1: my ten by forty five binoculars. I was able to
Speaker 1: observe several objects for a considerable time. All appeared alike
Speaker 1: magnified in my binoculars. Each object looked like a reddish
Speaker 1: orange disc giving out a very bright light. The contour
Speaker 1: was quite distinct. We saw ten objects passing on such
Speaker 1: a trajectory, and two on a trajectory which seemed to
Speaker 1: be parallel to our right and about ten degrees above
Speaker 1: the horizon. None of us heard any engine noise at
Speaker 1: the time, or the whistling sound of something passing at
Speaker 1: high speed through the atmosphere. Yet we could hear a
Speaker 1: pin drop. The last object was seen at seven pm,
Speaker 1: So this was a twenty minute parade of red discs
Speaker 1: seen by an engineer and four professors. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: you could spend a lot of time breaking down this
Speaker 1: and charting it, you know, exactly, very succinct, amazing observations.
Speaker 1: I think this is a fabulous, fabulous sighting.
Speaker 2: Well you could tell by the way the report is
Speaker 2: even the way they explain what they what he's seeing
Speaker 2: is very scientifically reported. You know, he's not drying conclusion
Speaker 2: of what it could be. He's simply reporting this is
Speaker 2: what I've seen. His detail is great, you know that
Speaker 2: it's defined versus like you said, this isn't a fuzzy
Speaker 2: blob which could be anything. Is this something that you
Speaker 2: could see? It's defined, it's got contour, it's got you know,
Speaker 2: it's moving.
Speaker 1: And he had time to roar these. Yes, he ran
Speaker 1: and got his binoculars, and is you know, seeing it
Speaker 1: through binoculars and he works at an airport. You know.
Speaker 1: He even said there was no green and white you know,
Speaker 1: regular lights. These were not regular aircraft lights. These were
Speaker 1: not regular aircraft. So what in nineteen fifty three over
Speaker 1: the skies over be route ten of them, you know,
Speaker 1: and he said, uniformly spaced. It's just it's just a
Speaker 1: you know, this isn't something that whizzed overhead. And what
Speaker 1: did I just see right right? You know?
Speaker 2: He had Yeah, he had time to observe this and
Speaker 2: make twenty notations. Yeah, that's and kept his calm and cool,
Speaker 2: you know, kept himself calm and cool and collected enough
Speaker 2: to go get his binoculars to make these observations. And
Speaker 2: again he works in an airport. He's not going to
Speaker 2: mistake and there's not a lot of aircraft in the
Speaker 2: sky in nineteen fifty two like it is today. We
Speaker 2: got to remember at the time, you know, commercial aviation
Speaker 2: was not.
Speaker 1: Quite what it is, especially probably in Beay Roots, right.
Speaker 2: So you know, today, I think it's a little easier
Speaker 2: to mistake things in the sky as being UFO, especially
Speaker 2: where like you mentioned, we're in Hutson Valley and there
Speaker 2: is always an airplane somewhere overhead in the distance, you
Speaker 2: can almost always see a light moving, But nineteen fifty
Speaker 2: two bea route probably not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was very impressed by this sighting, you know,
Speaker 1: the description, the caliber of the witnesses, and you know,
Speaker 1: we don't often look at sightings in different parts of
Speaker 1: the world, you know, we we kind of rehash the
Speaker 1: same you know, popular sightings in the US. And I
Speaker 1: think it's important to go go back and dig into
Speaker 1: that dust bin and pull these gems out. So that's
Speaker 1: that's that's my dust for us.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe it's more like gold dust bin, you
Speaker 2: know those specs of yeah, gold hidden because you're right,
Speaker 2: we we and I think it's just in any field,
Speaker 2: it's easier to focus on the much more well known
Speaker 2: locations where the reports are much more plentiful. And when
Speaker 2: you start seeing these obscure reports out of locations which
Speaker 2: we don't typically associate with UFOs, you know, those types
Speaker 2: of observations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just I think it just strengthens the
Speaker 1: whole credibility of the field because you see thousands of
Speaker 1: years around the world, credible people having these observations. And
Speaker 1: I think they're even better because you know, it wasn't
Speaker 1: you know, in Morocco in forty two, it wasn't skunk works,
Speaker 1: you know, stealth aircraft, all the things it could not
Speaker 1: be in those earlier sightings. And I still want to
Speaker 1: know what that bird was doing flying around Rome setting
Speaker 1: houses on fire.
Speaker 2: It was the phoenix, right, was that the bird? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right right?
Speaker 1: It rose from the ashes. He was creating the ashes.
Speaker 2: But you made a good point to the you know,
Speaker 2: the I think any of the Free Space Race observations
Speaker 2: are great too, because you know, there's nothing man made,
Speaker 2: or shouldn't be anything man made outside of our you know,
Speaker 2: orbiting in the sky that high, right, So the many
Speaker 2: you start seeing things in the air before that, and
Speaker 2: then you go back even further before aviation, before we
Speaker 2: even had flight before balloon, so ancient rome. What what
Speaker 2: are they seeing that they're thinking? Are sky ships right
Speaker 2: or chips in the sky?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so that's it. We do want to hear
Speaker 1: your cases still, you know, like that great one that
Speaker 1: Mike told us. First thing I have. I'm going to
Speaker 1: be putting a whole episode together on someone told me
Speaker 1: recently who had never spoken out before early eighties at
Speaker 1: a summer camp things happened. You know, maybe I'll put
Speaker 1: that out as the next episode before everybody sends their
Speaker 1: kids to summer camp, because out nothing good seems to
Speaker 1: happen at night in summer camp.
Speaker 2: We'll be getting thousands of seasons assist letters from throughout
Speaker 2: the country.
Speaker 1: But uh so bring us out, Mike.
Speaker 2: Well, we want to thank you for listening to another
Speaker 2: really cool episode of a dustbin of New Apology. Although
Speaker 2: I think their goal dust again, I'm gonna stick with
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