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<v Speaker 1>We're counting down to Wimbledon twenty twenty five and with

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<v Speaker 1>only days to go now, British Tennis Overlord Marcus Willis

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the microphone to me, is

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<v Speaker 1>preparing for more battles at s W nineteen. I'm dave

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<v Speaker 1>El and when we started this, both Marcus and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>we are so busy. We're going to be trying to

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<v Speaker 1>speak every day and the audio quality might not be

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<v Speaker 1>the best and we will resume proper content afterwards, but

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't want to miss a day. So apologies if

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't sound like you're listening to the BBC Marcus,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you mate? Where are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I am very good. I am at Stoke Park Boodles

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<v Speaker 2>for the last warm up match before Wimbledom.

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<v Speaker 1>And who are your victims today?

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<v Speaker 2>My Aravella and Bapartner Again. I'm sure they'll be wanting

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<v Speaker 2>they'll be wanting revenge for the other day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a shame, isn't it that you like? Is there

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<v Speaker 1>not a can you mix up the club session style?

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<v Speaker 1>Spin the rackets?

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<v Speaker 2>I would, yeah, but it's fine. It's it's good for me,

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<v Speaker 2>so you don't really get tougher opponents than that, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Not for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's good, it's good preparation. It's a good, good

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<v Speaker 2>bit of fun as well.

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<v Speaker 1>What since the last time we spoke, the drawer is

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<v Speaker 1>now out for Wimbledon. So would you like to just

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<v Speaker 1>remind us who you've got.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have got slash a slash A Public and

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<v Speaker 2>Flavio Chibali. Yeah, difficult obviously, Bublic's playing pretty good tennis

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<v Speaker 2>right now and Chibblis are very very good tennis purer

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we're talking to fifty singles, aren't we. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think Public's seeded and seeded in the singles

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<v Speaker 2>this year and and Chibi's year around about thirty. So

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<v Speaker 2>yeah that they're good players. They're good players, and it'll

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<v Speaker 2>be tough.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, would you prefer so I would see them primarily

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<v Speaker 1>as singles players who are then boosting their ATP points

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<v Speaker 1>by playing the doubles.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a bit more money for them, They don't

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<v Speaker 2>really they can get in on their singles ranking, which

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<v Speaker 2>they have, and they're kind of they're not carefree, but

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<v Speaker 2>if they lose, it's not the end of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>So they can be very dangerous, you know, they'll go

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<v Speaker 2>for things that you won't wouldn't expect. They've obviously public's

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<v Speaker 2>very very talented, probably going to underarm tur of me

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<v Speaker 2>and make me look like a mug. But there we go.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just you get different challenges, different challenges with different pairs.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't let anyone make you look like you will make

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<v Speaker 1>yourself look like a mug. Don't anybody influence that that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what.

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<v Speaker 1>When you would you prefer to play double specialists over

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<v Speaker 1>single specialists.

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<v Speaker 2>Though depends which double specialist you're talking about. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>if we get through, if we get through that one,

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<v Speaker 2>we're playing Hilliovara and Pattern who won last year and

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<v Speaker 2>one Aussie this year, so that's not really ideal either.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, again, different challenges. If you play play

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<v Speaker 2>and established doubles pair at Winded and who went on

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<v Speaker 2>their own ranking that they're very good at what they

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<v Speaker 2>do as well. So it's just it's just going to

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<v Speaker 2>look different and you have to react more against singles.

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<v Speaker 2>Pare doubles skuis are a bit more predictable, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>very solid around the net, so there's not as many gaps.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, singles guys tend to serve bigger hit

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<v Speaker 2>the ball in different places, you know, not cover the

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<v Speaker 2>net as well down the middle, but hang further back,

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<v Speaker 2>so the lob might not work as well. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's really tough to have to. I find it

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<v Speaker 2>tough playing you know, a pair one day and then

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<v Speaker 2>a different pair of the necks. You have to really

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<v Speaker 2>adapt and be on it tactically without going into also pilot.

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<v Speaker 1>Really yeah. I mean I was watching US Open doubles

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<v Speaker 1>last year and there's quite a lot of singles players

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<v Speaker 1>around that Coulter Finals stage and watching them, the singles players,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're both back a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as I said, it's different. They hit the ball

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<v Speaker 2>bigger from the back. They're probably a bit more accurate, consistent,

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<v Speaker 2>life less awkward, but more power. I mean, it's much

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<v Speaker 2>tougher to get into that. Their service games just differently.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely welly the born and yeah, it's going to have

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<v Speaker 2>its challenges for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>When when we were preparing for today, I was looking

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<v Speaker 1>online for statistics because as part of my day to

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<v Speaker 1>day coaching, I use these statistics from WTA or ATP

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<v Speaker 1>to give a perspective to the players that I'm coaching

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<v Speaker 1>about what is success and expectations in our sport, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I don't think it's until you realize that Alcaraz

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<v Speaker 1>is the best returner in the world, but he only

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<v Speaker 1>wins thirty percent of his first serve returns. Point yeah yeah, So,

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<v Speaker 1>like I mean, if somebody is losing seven out of

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<v Speaker 1>ten times, it's rare that they're so brilliant in others small.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but thirty percent to me sounds really good. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>kild for yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Double. So I was looking and I thought, oh, do

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'll do. I'll nerd up on a

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<v Speaker 1>few double stats about your opponents, because then we can

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<v Speaker 1>talk about in integrity of the match and possible patterns

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<v Speaker 1>of playing stuff. There's nothing on there.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's a that's a you can't really scout. And

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<v Speaker 2>the problem with singles guys is that they don't have

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<v Speaker 2>set plays because they don't really play together much. But

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<v Speaker 2>with doubles guys you can see on big points where

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<v Speaker 2>they like to serve, where they like to move, but

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<v Speaker 2>singles guys can obviously everyone can serve everywhere, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>just you have to be more reactive. As I said,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's you know, you have to be quite thick

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<v Speaker 2>skinned about how many balls fly past you or at

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<v Speaker 2>your chest or in your nuts or stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's a completely different game. You have to be

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<v Speaker 2>reactive and and yeah, they'll probably mess up some volleys

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, but you know, you get into

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<v Speaker 2>long rallies with them and they're they're good at that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you have to try and be punchy, but

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<v Speaker 2>deal with a faster ball on average, I'd say.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, one thing I've noticed, and I'm sure lots

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<v Speaker 1>of people out there have watched the Labor Cup, and

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<v Speaker 1>when Nadal is playing doubles, he's just covering the tram

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<v Speaker 1>lines far more than a doubles player would.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, doubles as well. It was it was difficult because

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<v Speaker 2>when you when you serve volley and singles, you tend

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<v Speaker 2>to come towards the middle ish of the court. And

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<v Speaker 2>I found myself doing that recently. You know, a coach

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<v Speaker 2>had highlighted a few things. I'm still even after playing

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<v Speaker 2>doubles for two years, I'm still coming to the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the court sometimes, right, And for a guy that

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<v Speaker 2>never plays doubles, you're going to be yeah, you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be covering, you know, if someone serves out wide

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<v Speaker 2>on the jews, you're gonna be still in the tram

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<v Speaker 2>lines because that's where the ball might come, yeah, rather

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<v Speaker 2>than squeezing the middle like the good doubles first too.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, are you going in with some rough ideas?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you get to do you speak to anyone else

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<v Speaker 1>as well and just say what we expecting of them

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that? Is there like a little rumor

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<v Speaker 1>mel when within the changes?

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<v Speaker 2>Not really, not not with singles, guys. I mean, do

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<v Speaker 2>you know where public likes to serve? I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>think he can serve anywhere. That's the thing he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>really have from from what I know and understand, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think you know they do. They do set plays

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<v Speaker 2>and singles. You know, it's it's it's a difficult one.

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<v Speaker 2>And you don't know also how their singles is going,

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<v Speaker 2>how serious they're going to be as well, which also

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<v Speaker 2>can be dangerous if they're if they're out there having

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<v Speaker 2>a laugh for nothing to lose, and you know, hitting

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<v Speaker 2>shots that they don't really care about, that can be

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<v Speaker 2>quite frustrating. So there isn't really anything we can we

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<v Speaker 2>can look at too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I've got a little reflection on that. Many years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I spoke to a top American player. It was in

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<v Speaker 1>a previous career and I interviewed a top American player

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<v Speaker 1>and he entered the doubles and a mixed because he

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<v Speaker 1>said that he is paid for his accommodation for three weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>and if he goes out second round of the singles,

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<v Speaker 1>the doubles justifies him spending out for the accommodation mm hm.

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<v Speaker 1>And he did lose early and then he went all

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<v Speaker 1>in on the doubles.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's the danger you have as well, and

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<v Speaker 2>especially up first round. They're gonna they're going to be there,

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to be playing. What you tend to see

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<v Speaker 2>with singles players is if they're doing well in singles,

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<v Speaker 2>in the second or third round doubles, they just pull

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<v Speaker 2>out and rest, you know. So it's good sometimes if

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<v Speaker 2>you get to second, third round and you're playing singles

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<v Speaker 2>guys and they're still in or invested, and that they

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<v Speaker 2>they're not as interested. You know, you get some animals

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<v Speaker 2>who play play both and just give it one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and ten. Yeah, but yeah, no, it is worth doing

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<v Speaker 2>for I mean, it's it's ten grand to turn up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not many players will scoff at that. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the top the top twenty don't tend to do it

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<v Speaker 2>because you know they're making enough cash and ten around

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<v Speaker 2>to them. You know, not a lot. But I just

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, even when I was playing singles, I just

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed doubles as well. I enjoyed playing tennis. That was

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<v Speaker 2>That was me. But a lot of players, yeah, players

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<v Speaker 2>are different. But you get a lot of guys between

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<v Speaker 2>thirty and fifty in the world who will turn up,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and if they do lose some singles, they

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<v Speaker 2>give it a go in the doubles. It's wimbleding as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Players players love wimbleding.

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<v Speaker 1>So is it what kind of draw is it? From

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<v Speaker 1>like one to four? If four was the dream draw,

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<v Speaker 1>then one is a nightmare. Where does it rank?

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say two probably. Yeah. Last year we got Passell

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<v Speaker 2>Thompson who went on to lose in the final, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and win the US I think they won. That was

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<v Speaker 2>first up. But obviously we got a very difficult match

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<v Speaker 2>to them play last year's champions. So it's not it's

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<v Speaker 2>not ideal, but you know, at least we're not playing

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<v Speaker 2>you know, them first round, and you know, if we

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<v Speaker 2>can get through, we'll obviously be playing well and have

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of rhythm, and they're the matches you want

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<v Speaker 2>to play. I can't really, I can't really complain, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm playing it. I don't think there's any There's a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of draws in there. You get a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>South Americans who are not that investor. That's a really

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<v Speaker 2>good draw. There's a couple of there's a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>draws in there that you back yourself to win. But

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<v Speaker 2>but there's you know, a lot of difficult matches. You

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine it's the best players in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course, of course. Well, talking about the draws

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<v Speaker 1>in general, let's let's have a little general chat about Wimbledon.

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<v Speaker 1>So Alcarez, Djokovic and Sinner one of three favorites on

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<v Speaker 1>the men's side. Can you see anyone past them?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I can't not not Logically. It depends on what

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<v Speaker 2>mood drapers. And he's obviously very dangerous, but it's a

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<v Speaker 2>different ketler fish at women. And I mean I read

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<v Speaker 2>the press the other day and the people are talking

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<v Speaker 2>about him winning it like and saying, oh, it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>He won't play alcohaz Center until the Semis, like that's

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<v Speaker 2>a given, you know, yeah, sure, and he's playing you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if he wins his first two round, he's playing public

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<v Speaker 2>third round. You beat him in the French. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>It's very I can imagine it's very difficult being a

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<v Speaker 2>good brit at win because everyone just expects you to

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<v Speaker 2>who expects you to make semis straight away because he's

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<v Speaker 2>a number one name. Yeah, but yeah, obviously I'll be

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<v Speaker 2>teering on all the Brits and I hope Jack does

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<v Speaker 2>well and gives it a good go, but I'll be

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<v Speaker 2>It would be very rogue of me to say one

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<v Speaker 2>of those three is not going to win it. I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not. I'm not here for a headline, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think Yeah, I mean, there's that chasing pack,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't there? Taylor. Fritz is great on grass, he is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I think he's in the final eastbourn He

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<v Speaker 2>for it, isn't he.

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<v Speaker 1>He had that five set semi final against farev or

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<v Speaker 2>He can play so like Fritz can play.

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<v Speaker 1>And Draper and like kind of the second packs and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but then I've got a feeling this Novak, do you. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So these great players, these great champions, not just not

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<v Speaker 1>just tennis but Tiger Woods and golf, but great boxers

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<v Speaker 1>or whoever you want. When you think that normal human

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<v Speaker 1>bit feeder and adult Aussie Open twenty nineteen. And you

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<v Speaker 1>look at Federer and you think, well, obviously, as a

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<v Speaker 1>does something and it's you realize that he's not following

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<v Speaker 1>the same code as the rest of us. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a feeling it's that record eighth title last

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<v Speaker 1>year he's finalist with one leg. Yeah, amazing at the

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<v Speaker 1>Aussie and then pulled out. I think, I think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>same as And I've just got a feeling he might

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<v Speaker 1>do it. And then it's and then that's the end. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a rabbit where you're like, a, yeah, not

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's certainly not a normal human. He's and

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<v Speaker 2>he's well rested. He hasn't played any tournaments.

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<v Speaker 1>And breaking records, right, he likes breaking records. That's his goal.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, you can't write him off I mean just can't

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<v Speaker 2>just yeah, he's very good on grass. I think if

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<v Speaker 2>he played center on grass. I don't know what the

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<v Speaker 2>drawer looks like in the semis again, I'm doing it now.

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<v Speaker 2>But our cras if he can be our crass on

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<v Speaker 2>the grass and flip me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I mean and he can.

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<v Speaker 2>We know he can. He was injured last year going

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<v Speaker 2>for a lot more than he normally would, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then he the Olympics.

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<v Speaker 2>Many people in my head, Yeah, there's not many people

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<v Speaker 2>in my head that I can see beating Jocovic apart

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<v Speaker 2>from Alcoorism maybe Sinner. Yeah, I can't see anyone else

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<v Speaker 2>doing it. So, yeah, he is one of the favorites

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<v Speaker 2>for sure. Alcaz has got a match in him That

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<v Speaker 2>best of five helps him, but he can go through

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<v Speaker 2>matches sitting forty unfour.

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<v Speaker 1>Serrus, Yeah, sure, because he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he's very adventurous with with his players. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just what we love about him.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a you know, it really is next

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<v Speaker 1>gen stuff, isn't it now? The next gen is definitely here.

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<v Speaker 1>What about on the women's side, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>A million dollar question.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone can win sable Ankor and Coco with the two

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<v Speaker 1>that I put down as Coco Coco.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I don't know if it's the craft the best thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it's so wide open, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great mover. She's and create you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>know how good she is Sabalanca Off. Her games are amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>sweet texts. Never really got involved in wimbled them before,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think she's doing quite well in the lead

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<v Speaker 2>up tournaments.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell you what I'd say about her though, is when

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<v Speaker 1>she from winning the French Open in twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>She's not even reached a final of another tournament since then.

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<v Speaker 2>No. Yeah, she's very she's very, very hot and cold.

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<v Speaker 1>Something's happened there, isn't it. I mean yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 1>mean Saberlenka three three slams, two women semi finals behind her.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she's she's obviously world number one and the

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<v Speaker 1>on form player recent Grand Slam final as well. But

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<v Speaker 1>I was at Queen's for the women's tournament when it returned,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's hard to read the form of a woman.

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<v Speaker 2>It's impossible. Yeah, but that's what makes it so thrilling

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<v Speaker 2>for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh no, definitely is exciting and it's very even. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the match I was, I was at the

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<v Speaker 1>day where Radakane was like five love up and then

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<v Speaker 1>it comes back to five four in about twelve minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it.

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<v Speaker 1>Seems like these are not uncommon patterns, really are they.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of momentum swings. Yeah, and the same

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<v Speaker 2>same players could play other ten times and could be five.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's not it's it's unpredictable. I mean, Sabca has

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<v Speaker 2>been more consistent as of late. River Ken is very dangerous. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>can't write her off. Paline he made final before. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of players that but you know, if you

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<v Speaker 2>told me they're in the final, Okay, Yeah, Maria one Queens.

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<v Speaker 1>Madison Keys winning the Aussie and like that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with that ball strike in.

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<v Speaker 2>Very hard to do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, So you play today, we catch up

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<v Speaker 1>again tomorrow. Tomorrow. I've got a question from one of

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<v Speaker 1>the army of listeners who wants to talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>about the mixed doubles. Okay, And I do put in

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast description if anyone does want to send a

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<v Speaker 1>voice note what I don't want to send any messages.

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<v Speaker 1>The number to text is actually in the description of

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast. Yeah, they can go for that. Otherwise, why

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<v Speaker 1>don't we catch up tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll see you tomorrow, Big day later, as late as

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<v Speaker 2>five