1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,439 Speaker 1: By Utah citizens for the Constitution. 2 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:04,679 Speaker 2: You're two to Cougar Sports on ko v O probo 3 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,599 k U D d HD two one oh three nine 4 00:00:07,639 --> 00:00:12,640 at ninety eight three ESPN the Fan. It's time to 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,320 celebrate the greatest team sport known to man, where modern 6 00:00:16,399 --> 00:00:18,239 day gladiators collide. 7 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,399 Speaker 3: For all the glory on the grid. 8 00:00:19,519 --> 00:00:23,039 Speaker 2: Ie, let's talk some college football on Cougar Sports with 9 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:23,879 Ben Crittle. 10 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,559 Speaker 4: Welcome back Cougar Sports, one of Green nine ninety point 11 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,000 three ESPING the Fan. I'm at portal broadcasting from our 12 00:00:31,039 --> 00:00:33,759 vander Rold Studios Vanderwelt dot Com. 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Well, the best I can tell stories with numbers 46 00:02:02,599 --> 00:02:04,680 is about as close to the inside as I get. 47 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:09,759 Speaker 4: Now that all truth resides in the numbers, doesn't it. 48 00:02:10,439 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 5: I got I got some new ones for you, though, 49 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,560 you know I got. I got some new ones for you. 50 00:02:16,199 --> 00:02:20,680 So here's one, because it's combined day right, yes, combine 51 00:02:20,759 --> 00:02:24,400 day and and and. Last month somebody from the New 52 00:02:24,479 --> 00:02:25,919 York Times got a hold of me because they were 53 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:27,879 working with the NFL and they wanted to do a 54 00:02:27,879 --> 00:02:33,400 big story about the speed era of the NFL and 55 00:02:33,479 --> 00:02:36,039 the size how it's gone down and the speed has 56 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:41,240 gone up and it's not true. Huh, it's not true. 57 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,680 I was able to get the actually, just to verify everything. 58 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,800 Size wise, nothing's changed in the NFL. 59 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,439 Speaker 1: Guess what. They're all still huge. 60 00:02:50,599 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 5: They're not getting smaller, They're not anywhere. But speed wise, 61 00:02:55,719 --> 00:02:58,680 I worked with Amazon next Gen and got all the 62 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,879 speed numbers for every game of every player for the 63 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:07,639 twenty twenty five season. The five fastest NFL teams four 64 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:14,199 didn't make the playoffs. Wow, okay, the five slowest teams 65 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,680 two made the playoffs, right, And to me it goes 66 00:03:18,719 --> 00:03:24,120 back to with football, it's full body athleticism, it's not 67 00:03:24,479 --> 00:03:27,560 you know, and we've tracked the draft. Teams that focus 68 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,120 on speed or teams that focus on on one or 69 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:34,319 two elite numbers fail in the draft. So you know, 70 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,400 and the same thing applies for college football is you know, now, 71 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,840 now granted, big size, big speed to make a little 72 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,080 bit more of a difference at the collegiate level, but 73 00:03:43,159 --> 00:03:48,520 you are still looking for full body athleticism. So when 74 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,280 you're watching the combine, don't get caught up on speed. 75 00:03:51,639 --> 00:03:55,599 Because the fastest teams had the worst win loss ratio 76 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,560 in the NFL of any five groups based on speed 77 00:03:59,599 --> 00:04:00,719 and twenty twenty five. 78 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:01,599 Speaker 3: Isn't that? 79 00:04:01,719 --> 00:04:03,879 Speaker 4: I mean you look at like Indiana winning the national 80 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,000 championship this year, like, not the biggest, not the fastest, 81 00:04:07,159 --> 00:04:08,520 they're just the best football team. 82 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,639 Speaker 5: They're just the best football team. The other thing one 83 00:04:12,759 --> 00:04:16,879 so along with that, in working with Kurt is the 84 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,800 focus on a sixteenth minute game. Okay, here's another one 85 00:04:20,879 --> 00:04:23,720 inside the data that well might surprise people that are listening. 86 00:04:23,959 --> 00:04:26,839 Pretty much everybody has heard of the middle eight, right, 87 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,879 That focus on the last four minutes of the second quarter, 88 00:04:29,959 --> 00:04:31,839 first three minutes of the fourth quarter, and how it's 89 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,120 so first four minutes of the third how it's so 90 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,319 important in winning football games in college football. Over the 91 00:04:38,399 --> 00:04:42,000 last ten years, there are eleven eight minute segments in 92 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,560 a college football game. It is the ninth most valuable. 93 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 3: Wow, ninth really. 94 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 5: So so yeah, So when you hear these coaches, oh, man, 95 00:04:49,519 --> 00:04:52,279 we got to win the middle eight, which one the 96 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,680 first aid of the first quarter, the last date of 97 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,240 the first quarter. You know, it means nothing at the 98 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,480 collegiate level, and it' means only slightly more at the 99 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,240 NFL level. So when we'reing with Snetti, it was trying 100 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,920 to get people's minds wrapped around a sixty minute game. 101 00:05:10,519 --> 00:05:13,800 Rather than focusing on little pieces at a time, you're 102 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,160 going more all out for the whole game. Speed doesn't 103 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,240 kill coaching kills with good talent, and you got to 104 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,079 focus on a game for sixty minutes, not particular areas 105 00:05:25,079 --> 00:05:26,600 where they say, well, you're gonna win or lose a 106 00:05:26,639 --> 00:05:29,079 game in this eight minutes. It's a sixty minute game. 107 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:30,360 You go for sixty minutes. 108 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 4: I love it. That's a great breakdown. Yeah, combine season 109 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,360 is upon us. BYU has two invites to the NFL 110 00:05:39,399 --> 00:05:42,360 comby We talk a lot about talent coming through BYU 111 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,560 and how talent is not always what they bring through 112 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,879 provo in order to have productivity and wins. But you 113 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,319 know what's the average? I guess what's the average? I 114 00:05:56,319 --> 00:05:57,959 didn't prep you for this, but what would you say 115 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:03,279 is kind of the average individual? Like team invite, like 116 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,399 numbers of invites that you're getting from like a P 117 00:06:05,519 --> 00:06:07,040 four institution. 118 00:06:06,639 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 3: Typically and the set. 119 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 4: I know the SEC has won out over the last 120 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,240 thirty years just because they've been buying players under the 121 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,439 table for so long now that everybody else can we're 122 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,959 going to see that number drop mark my words. 123 00:06:20,319 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 3: But uh, what do you make of that? 124 00:06:23,199 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 4: Like, who's uh you know what's the average? I know 125 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,120 BYU is probably hovering around one or two per year. 126 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,759 Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, three things off of everything you just said. 127 00:06:34,079 --> 00:06:36,839 Number one, you are right, I am totally not prepared 128 00:06:36,879 --> 00:06:40,800 for that out of left field. Okay, So but what 129 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,399 I want to say is, can we put a pin 130 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,160 in it? Because I have twenty five years of the 131 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:51,480 NFL Draft broken down by colleges by position, by NFL teams. 132 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,639 I would love to have a one or two segment, 133 00:06:54,879 --> 00:06:58,480 you know, fifteen twenty thirty minutes with you breaking down 134 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,360 BYU buy the draft and success and lack thereof in 135 00:07:02,399 --> 00:07:03,600 the NFL in the future. 136 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:08,439 Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, let's let's putin check on that. 137 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: One, right. 138 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 5: So, but but I have it, it's there, and there's 139 00:07:12,079 --> 00:07:16,680 interesting discussions. As for the SEC I've also found so 140 00:07:16,759 --> 00:07:22,000 this was interesting. As Georgia and Alabama started winning national titles, 141 00:07:22,399 --> 00:07:26,319 they started getting overdrafted and so and so and so. 142 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,759 What was happening is gms and scouts were drafting too 143 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,319 many Bama and Georgia players, I believe off of name recognition, 144 00:07:35,639 --> 00:07:39,639 but the starts per player. It worked okay in the first, second, 145 00:07:39,639 --> 00:07:43,040 and third rounds, but they were getting overdrafted in four, fifth, 146 00:07:43,079 --> 00:07:46,800 and sixth and honestly underperforming. Really really a lot of 147 00:07:46,839 --> 00:07:49,720 misses in there, and nobody talks about it because everybody's 148 00:07:49,759 --> 00:07:52,920 focused on that first that first and second and third round. 149 00:07:52,959 --> 00:07:53,199 Speaker 1: Guy. 150 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,959 Speaker 5: One of the things that I've seen in the numbers 151 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,480 is teams that get hot in the media and the 152 00:07:58,519 --> 00:08:03,360 fans will gravitate to them and overdraft the heck out 153 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,319 of them. So I'm curious how that relates to BYU 154 00:08:06,399 --> 00:08:10,079 being overdrafted or underdrafted by position and how well the 155 00:08:10,079 --> 00:08:11,720 team has been performing year over year. 156 00:08:12,079 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, what's interesting. 157 00:08:13,079 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 4: I mean, at least you look at I don't know, 158 00:08:14,879 --> 00:08:17,120 you take the modern ARA. Maybe in the last twenty years, 159 00:08:17,199 --> 00:08:20,079 BAU has you know, I guess a decent amount of 160 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,639 draft picks. I'd say it's solid more NFL players currently 161 00:08:23,639 --> 00:08:27,199 in the NFL, or more former players in the NFL 162 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:28,920 than they've had probably in. 163 00:08:28,839 --> 00:08:29,959 Speaker 3: The last twenty years. 164 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 4: Right now, Kalani has done a really good job of 165 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:35,240 developing and uh, and and this coaching staff has done 166 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,000 a good job of like forecasting in the and and 167 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,200 bringing them in obviously and and developing them. 168 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:41,759 Speaker 3: At a high level. 169 00:08:41,759 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 4: But uh, you know it's instant undrafted free agents out 170 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,039 of BYU tend to stick a little bit better than others. 171 00:08:48,039 --> 00:08:50,840 I think, I think that would be an interesting data point. 172 00:08:50,919 --> 00:08:51,399 Speaker 3: I think they do. 173 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: I think they stick starts. 174 00:08:53,039 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, and it may be total starts in the NFL. 175 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,519 This is gonna this is gonna blow some people's minds. 176 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:03,080 The last twenty year, okay, last twenty years, total starts 177 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,039 in the NFL thirteen percent of them are from undrafted 178 00:09:07,039 --> 00:09:13,559 free agents. Wow, right, thirteen percent are undrafted free agents. 179 00:09:13,879 --> 00:09:16,679 So I don't know the numbers on BYU, but I 180 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:21,639 would lean towards BYU having a lot of success there 181 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,879 because from a media standpoint, it's not a media darling, right, 182 00:09:24,879 --> 00:09:27,759 that's not where guys get drafted from, not from BYU. 183 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,080 But there could be a lot of hidden talent there 184 00:09:30,279 --> 00:09:33,360 and they're actually underdrafted. So when we get back to 185 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,960 BYU and the NFL draft, man, I'm gonna come armed 186 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,960 to the teeth and I'll be able to answer all 187 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,200 of that stuff in depth for you. 188 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 4: I love it, man, Dave bar two CFB matrix here 189 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,759 on your Utah ESPN Radio network. Where have your eyes 190 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:51,120 whereas your gaze casted upon the analytics this offseason? What 191 00:09:51,159 --> 00:09:53,720 have you been delving into SCFB matrix? 192 00:09:54,279 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 5: Well, you know I did. I did the speed stuff 193 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,440 for the NFL in the New York Times, and I 194 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,360 did the middle eight. I've worked on fourth down numbers 195 00:10:04,919 --> 00:10:07,840 for both the NFL and college football. I've worked on 196 00:10:07,879 --> 00:10:12,320 going for two numbers NFL and college football. I'm out 197 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,440 usage in the NFL and college football. This one was 198 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,759 really interesting in that we are finding your more successful 199 00:10:21,799 --> 00:10:24,960 coaches use up all their timeouts before three minutes left 200 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:29,120 in the first half. They control the game with timeouts 201 00:10:29,279 --> 00:10:32,000 and control momentum better than anything else. The biggest thing 202 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,279 that we have found is that we found something stronger 203 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:40,279 than winning the turnover battle. Wow, and I am right now, 204 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,759 I am speaking to Kolani Sataki and every coach on 205 00:10:44,799 --> 00:10:49,879 the BYU staff. Okay, it's in peer review right now, 206 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:54,679 But winning the turnover battle. In FBS football, you win 207 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,639 the turnover battle about eighty percent of the time. Seventy 208 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,639 four percent of the time you win the game. That 209 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,720 is all awesome, right, just winning the turnover battle. We 210 00:11:02,879 --> 00:11:07,240 figured out a number for game control. Game control effects 211 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:09,679 nearly ninety percent of the games, and if you win 212 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,960 game control, you win eighty eight percent of all FBS games. 213 00:11:14,639 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 3: So what is game What is game control? What is that? 214 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: Ah? That's the thing. 215 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 5: It's in peer review right now. We're not there yet, okay, 216 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,080 but when it comes out, I promise you and every 217 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,559 single person listening, it will completely change the way you 218 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,720 watch football and anticipate teams winning and losing. It is 219 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,960 incredible what it's going to do in terms of how coaches, 220 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,000 coach football, and how people watch football love that. 221 00:11:43,799 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, look, you went into fourth downs right, fourth down play. 222 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:52,080 Kilani has been a very aggressive fourth down play caller. 223 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,639 Every time he goes for it on fourth down from 224 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,879 like midfield or even from his own forty I typically 225 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:05,240 post this large bull with massive cajones and just walking 226 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:07,399 around the field. I'm like, this is Kalate. He's just like, 227 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,080 I'm going fourth on fourth is what I do? 228 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 3: Anyway? 229 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,639 Speaker 4: Uh, you know what what data did did you find her? 230 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 3: What? What? 231 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,919 Speaker 4: What were some of the conclusions from the fourth down 232 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,279 data that you were able to evaluate and analyze. 233 00:12:17,759 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 5: Well, look, there's a couple of things there. No number 234 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,600 one and no particular order. Okay. 235 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 4: Uh. 236 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:26,799 Speaker 5: First of all, if it's fourth and fourth and four 237 00:12:27,039 --> 00:12:30,159 or more, you're kind of out of your mind. The 238 00:12:30,519 --> 00:12:36,080 the the numbers fall off so hard after fourth and three. 239 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,279 This is why going for two is really important. If 240 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,559 going for two was it the two yard line not 241 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:45,360 three yard line? The percentages change immensely in both leagues, 242 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,440 NFL and college football. But college football, if it's fourth 243 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,000 and four or more, you gotta be you got to 244 00:12:52,039 --> 00:12:55,960 be doing something desperate. Okay, You're you're trying to change momentum, 245 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,440 you're trying to stop something. You know the game is 246 00:12:58,440 --> 00:12:59,960 in the balance if you're if it's fourth and four 247 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,879 or more in my opinion, But you also have to 248 00:13:02,879 --> 00:13:04,759 look at it situationally. And one of the things that 249 00:13:04,799 --> 00:13:07,960 we're trying to teach college coaches is going forward on 250 00:13:08,039 --> 00:13:11,600 fourth down in September it is absolutely blind. There's no 251 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,480 book on it. Right, You do not know how good 252 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,320 or bad the BYU offense or defense is till probably 253 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,279 at least the end of September, right, and the same 254 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,440 thing with all of your opponents. So what's important in 255 00:13:24,519 --> 00:13:27,639 going forward on fourth down is also understanding what is 256 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,919 your offensive strength what is the defense's strength. So the 257 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,000 stronger the defense run and pass game, the lower your 258 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,080 odds of converting. So you can't look at these going 259 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,519 for fourth down. And you know, fourth and two against 260 00:13:42,039 --> 00:13:44,759 Utah is not the same as fourth and two against 261 00:13:44,759 --> 00:13:48,759 Colorado or fourth and two against TCU because the defenses 262 00:13:48,799 --> 00:13:51,799 are different and year over year your offense is different. 263 00:13:51,879 --> 00:13:54,519 So we're trying to get coaches to look at the 264 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,320 moment more in terms of what you have versus what 265 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,879 you're facing, instead of looking at a book and saying, well, 266 00:14:00,879 --> 00:14:02,759 this is what the average has been for the last 267 00:14:02,799 --> 00:14:06,200 ten years. That's insanity looking at averages. You got to 268 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:07,559 look at situational football. 269 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,639 Speaker 4: Love that breakdown, Dave bar two CFB matrix here on 270 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,679 your Utah ESPN radio network. 271 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 3: What are your way too early? 272 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 4: Maybe prognostications on BAU football heading into twenty twenty six. 273 00:14:22,039 --> 00:14:25,240 They're coming off in eleven and two, twelve and two 274 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:30,279 season they've overachieved. I'm beginning to think, you know, I 275 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,799 guess how would you diagnose who BYU football is? They 276 00:14:35,039 --> 00:14:40,480 are winning more games versus their recruiting rankings. Maybe even 277 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,039 there the dollar amount allocated to them. Will give me 278 00:14:43,039 --> 00:14:45,840 a little breakdown of BA football heading into twenty twenty six. 279 00:14:46,399 --> 00:14:49,279 Speaker 5: Well, I know, let's let's I want to start with 280 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,639 one thing. The first thing is, and it's kind of 281 00:14:52,679 --> 00:14:56,600 dovetails into your question, is outside of Kurt Signetti over 282 00:14:56,639 --> 00:14:59,600 the last two or three years, has anybody else been 283 00:14:59,639 --> 00:15:05,399 a better head coach, schedule, talent versus results than Klannie. 284 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 3: I don't think so. 285 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:09,399 Speaker 5: I mean, nope, there isn't. 286 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:10,159 Speaker 3: There isn't. 287 00:15:10,159 --> 00:15:12,679 Speaker 5: I'm answering to for you, baby, there isn't. He has 288 00:15:12,759 --> 00:15:18,799 done an absolutely amazing job, completely under the radar, not 289 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:24,600 talked about, and I cannot give him enough credit for 290 00:15:24,759 --> 00:15:29,679 overperforming and and and not just one season, multiple seasons 291 00:15:30,919 --> 00:15:33,960 and adapting to the Big twelve this fast is one 292 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,080 of the best coaching jobs in the last ten years. 293 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,440 When you talk about twenty four plus games, absolutely amazing. Now, 294 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:45,320 what to expect, B why you coming in? I know 295 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,399 the fans want to expect to keep winning, right at 296 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,799 some point, at some point this double digit you know, 297 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:55,639 wins for years, got a break. But there seems to 298 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,559 be something with the player continuity edge that B WHYU 299 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:04,240 has the coaching continuity edge the BYU has had over 300 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,159 the last couple of years that somehow pushes them ahead 301 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,399 on a lot of close football games. And they've won 302 00:16:11,919 --> 00:16:14,399 more than their share of close football games in the 303 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:19,200 last twenty four amazing run there. So it's the coaches 304 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:22,840 league in my opinion. I don't think the recruiting matters 305 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,399 as much in the Big twelve as it does in 306 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,720 other areas. And so now the question is, with the 307 00:16:29,799 --> 00:16:33,759 loss of a couple of couple of year coaches, specifically 308 00:16:33,799 --> 00:16:37,720 your defensive coordinator, how does that affect things going forward? 309 00:16:38,799 --> 00:16:39,039 Speaker 1: Yeah? 310 00:16:39,679 --> 00:16:42,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I mean, I feel like I will say this. 311 00:16:43,279 --> 00:16:48,279 It's a conversation we had earlier this week. There does 312 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,320 seem to be a trend when BYU is, you know, 313 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,480 winning two consecutive season to a high level double digit 314 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,320 wins right twenty one, there was a drop off in 315 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,440 twenty twenty two, gave with dead the eight and five 316 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:02,600 and then a five and seven. 317 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 3: They're coming off eleven and two, twelve and two. Some 318 00:17:04,519 --> 00:17:05,559 people think there's a little bit. 319 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 4: Of a pride cycle, a little bit of a complacency 320 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,160 thing that happens. Win b who's winning at a high level. 321 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,519 Do you see that drop off occurring this next season? 322 00:17:13,519 --> 00:17:15,799 There's a lot in the last two years, they've been 323 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:16,960 a lot of one score games. 324 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,319 Speaker 3: They bounced b Way's way. 325 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,319 Speaker 4: Will that happen in twenty twenty six, Yeah, it had 326 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:23,799 some one. 327 00:17:23,759 --> 00:17:26,559 Speaker 5: Score with score games. But look at how well they 328 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:28,960 are their coaches. You know when I look at the numbers, 329 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,079 so you know me, I mean, I've been on your show, 330 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,960 enf I go to scoring efficiency. That's my number one 331 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,119 thing in offense and defensive scoring efficiency. And you look 332 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,680 at BYU in twenty twenty five, Okay, number forty in 333 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:47,640 raw offense, scoring efficiency number seventeen. In defense, when adjusted 334 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,440 for opponent, that forty goes to twenty four. So you 335 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,920 had the twenty fourth best offense, you have the twenty 336 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:58,440 seventh best defense overall in the entire country, twenty first 337 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:04,359 best offense plus defense total scoring efficiency. I mean it 338 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:09,000 was literally my comp to BYU coming in to this. 339 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,599 You look like on paper, you look like Michigan and Alabama. 340 00:18:13,039 --> 00:18:15,000 That's what the numbers look like, right, So this is 341 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,759 still a even though it's winning close games, it's still 342 00:18:17,799 --> 00:18:20,920 a really really good team. I don't think you can 343 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,400 compare the COVID year in which every team they played 344 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,640 they out recruited to the very next year. And I 345 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,720 still say the progression has been good because the last 346 00:18:31,759 --> 00:18:35,759 two years outside of Signetti is one of the best 347 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,759 coaching jobs we have seen in all of college football. 348 00:18:38,839 --> 00:18:43,279 So my big question mark is at defensive coordinator. I 349 00:18:43,319 --> 00:18:45,720 don't know what Kelly's going to do because Kelly's never 350 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,640 done it. We got no numbers on him, he's never 351 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,559 called the playing you know, So I think all we 352 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,440 can do is probably what every BYU fan is doing, 353 00:18:53,519 --> 00:18:56,839 is going well. Colonne's gotten this right an awful lot 354 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,240 since he's been here. He coaches way above talent year 355 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:04,240 after year after year. His bad years are still average 356 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,960 and his good years are great above talent. I think, 357 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,279 to me, the worst case scenario is you got to 358 00:19:10,319 --> 00:19:14,279 be at guessing or to me, throwing a dart at 359 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,000 whatever the line Vegas comes out for your total wins. 360 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,319 I think that's the floor. He's exceeded it just about 361 00:19:20,319 --> 00:19:22,559 every year, So why stop betting against that? 362 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:22,839 Speaker 1: Now? 363 00:19:23,759 --> 00:19:24,079 Speaker 3: Love it? 364 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,559 Speaker 4: Great breakdown CFP Matrix. Who's very owned Dave bart to Dave. 365 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:31,599 Best way to support you, what you do, how you 366 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,400 do it for all of our listeners. I appreciate you 367 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,000 hopping off for little college football segment. 368 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 5: Just hit me on Twitter. Everything's open there. You can 369 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,759 find me at see if be Matrix And if you 370 00:19:39,799 --> 00:19:41,799 got a text, you got a question, you got a comment, 371 00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:44,359 you got an idea, text me. 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Welcome man, the one 468 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,400 the only former BAU Great the Durantula Mark Durant to 469 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:57,039 the show What's up? 470 00:23:57,079 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 3: Mark, how are you. 471 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: What's up. I'm doing I'm doing pretty good. 472 00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 4: You know. 473 00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:05,759 Speaker 1: I'm sitting outside in the beautiful sunlight. I'm hanging out 474 00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:07,599 with my pigmy goats. So that you've never had a 475 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,680 guest talk to you on the phone hanging out with 476 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:11,599 his pigmy goats. 477 00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:16,039 Speaker 4: Actually, it's so funny whenever I see a pigmy goat online. Now, 478 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,759 I think of you surrounded by your pigmy goats, jumping around, 479 00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:23,240 trotting around like you just enjoying life in your pristine 480 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,960 backyard that you've architected for probably years now. You're an 481 00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:31,960 artisan in that backyard. And then you have these unique 482 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,160 and singular, magical animals trotting around, prancing around you. 483 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,519 Speaker 1: That's all true. I wish you could see a picture 484 00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:43,960 of me. I'm just hanging out by fire. I'm getting 485 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,920 smothered by two goats. It's crazy, man. They been a 486 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,359 long winter for them. They don't get a lot of 487 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,559 attention in the winters, so they're all over me. 488 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,839 Speaker 4: Hey man, well, I'm glad you're getting a little bit 489 00:24:52,839 --> 00:24:57,519 of vitamin D out there. Keeping a positive mindset amongst 490 00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:00,799 the highs and lows of the college basketball season. Uh, 491 00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:02,920 but one thing stood out to me about this last game. 492 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,119 I always find it interesting, Like you know, b YU 493 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,640 fans at Lavelle, they'll boo it just about anything. You 494 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,720 don't you don't go forward on fourth down, you do 495 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:14,240 go forth on fourth down, they're gonna boo you. Uh, 496 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,319 you're not scoring, they're gonna be you. You're not playing 497 00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:18,839 good defense, They're gonna do you. Basketball is a little 498 00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:21,960 bit different, Like I, I don't hear the booze. I've 499 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,799 been around by basketball for about twenty years. I have rarely, 500 00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:28,599 over the last twenty years heard BYU fans at the 501 00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:29,519 Merriat Center. 502 00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 3: Boo the basketball team. 503 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 4: I mean, how many times can you count how many 504 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,720 times that has happened over the last twenty or so 505 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,119 years at the merrit Center. 506 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:43,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty rare. 507 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 5: Uh. 508 00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 3: Can you think of any instances? Can you think of 509 00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:49,799 any instance outside. 510 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: As often as BAU gets beat as bad as they 511 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,160 did last night, which is pretty rare. I'm you know 512 00:25:55,319 --> 00:25:56,200 U V you had a. 513 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 3: Big win in the Medionah, yeah, yep. 514 00:25:58,519 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: Uh. There's probably a couple that I could think about, 515 00:26:01,079 --> 00:26:06,079 But I think generally it's probably easier to boo football 516 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,039 just because you got helmets on, it's less personal, you know, 517 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,880 as far away, and yeah, it's kind of personal when 518 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,039 you bow basketball players right there and you can look 519 00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:19,200 in their eyes and see them. But I would say, 520 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,119 I mean I heard a little bit. My thought when 521 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,680 it happened was, you know, they were booing the officials 522 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,599 as they were kind of going off the court at halftimes. 523 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,799 So I'm going to give some maybe some out for 524 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,440 fans and listen, you know, fans pay a lot of money, 525 00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:37,359 and kids nowadays are getting paid, and so maybe it's 526 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,160 a little bit more reasonable too, you know, boo kids. 527 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,079 But I think it's super rare. And if there was 528 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,319 any cause to boo, it's not because they were playing badly, 529 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,759 it's because they weren't really playing and they weren't didn't 530 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:55,119 seem to be a lot of effort. And I guess 531 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,160 if you're going to boo anything, that's maybe the one 532 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,079 thing you can move out it. You just want guys, 533 00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:03,480 you can I think fans are incredibly forgiving if the 534 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:07,200 guys are trying and playing hard, and at least in 535 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,559 the first half, it didn't seem like they were, and 536 00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:11,599 it was evident on the scoreboard. 537 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right. 538 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,599 Speaker 4: I think for the most part, BYU fans are pretty fair. 539 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,359 The BWI fans will boo when lack of effort is showcase, 540 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,039 not necessarily lack of execution. So I'm I'm right in 541 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,599 lockstep with you there. Well, we've seen the highs, we've 542 00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:32,079 seen the lows. I have a lot of grace through 543 00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:34,839 the team because if somebody of the season any injuries, 544 00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:39,559 my expectations have been lowered for the quota of the 545 00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:41,000 season to be met. 546 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 3: So but. 547 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,319 Speaker 4: You still see the potential in this team versus an 548 00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:50,519 Iowa State team. One of the best performances, the best 549 00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:53,799 performance of this BOE basketball team without key players, some 550 00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:56,640 of the best players on the roster. So you go 551 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,559 from the highest point to the kind of the lowest 552 00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:02,920 point of the season. Is that an accurate depiction that 553 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,200 was the low point of the season. You have a 554 00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:05,640 high point and a low point of the season. The 555 00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:10,640 contrast the good, the bad, the ugly, the beautiful of 556 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:11,160 a season. 557 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,079 Speaker 1: I think that's part of it, just to start contrast 558 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,319 from what we saw a couple of days before. If 559 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,200 Iowa State, they I think put together their best forty 560 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,519 minutes with or without Richie I mean, they played really 561 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:30,440 well and then to follow that up with thirty minutes 562 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,200 of maybe the worst they've played. I mean, they played 563 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,920 pretty bad at Oklahoma State at times, but other than that, 564 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,759 I mean, even in games they lost, they certainly competed 565 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:46,000 hard and were in the games. Not many blowouts. So 566 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,440 I guess that's the weird thing about that game is 567 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,359 it was so out of the blue and atypical for 568 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,240 this team, and so it puts questions in your mind. 569 00:28:58,039 --> 00:29:00,599 You know, who is this team really is it? Is 570 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,200 it the Iowa State or is it the UCF, And 571 00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:07,920 I think that remains to be seen. Really, I mean, 572 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,279 this is a huge opportunity to tell people that yes, 573 00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:15,960 we do care, we are trying and we and we're 574 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,720 going to fight on the road. Here. This is gonna 575 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,359 be two tough teams against two road, tough win road 576 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,839 games against people you're kind of jostling with in the 577 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:29,839 middle of the pack in the conference for a single buy. 578 00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:34,799 So it does matter. But more importantly, I think I 579 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,519 think it matters to the team that they show that 580 00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:41,079 they're more like the Iowa State game than the UCF game, 581 00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:44,359 and hopefully, you know, if they can do that, then 582 00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:48,319 I'm certainly have been and will continue to be optimistic 583 00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:52,240 and positive about this team, and even in the postseason, 584 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:54,960 and when you've got to play like aj and Rob, 585 00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:57,799 you know, anything can happen in any game, and maybe 586 00:29:57,799 --> 00:30:01,440 they get hot and at the right time. But right now, 587 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,720 just coming off that loss, it's hard to be too 588 00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:08,039 positive about anything. But things change very quickly in college sports. 589 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,039 It looked pretty grim before the Iowa State game, then 590 00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:14,319 it looked great. Now it looks grim again, and if 591 00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:15,880 they get a couple of road wins, then it looks 592 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,359 great again. So we'll see how it goes. But I 593 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,519 still believe in this team, and I think if they 594 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:24,880 do give the effort that I saw in Iowa State, 595 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,440 they have good results. But it certainly wasn't there the 596 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,119 other night last night. 597 00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:32,759 Speaker 4: Any silver linings from the game that we can point 598 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:34,799 out just to make ourselves feel a little bit better 599 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,960 about a potential thirty point loss that turned into a 600 00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:42,960 much more respectable, respectable thirteen point loss. 601 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: Well, I thought I looked particularly handsome on the Jumbo 602 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,880 Tron when they introduced MATHA. I thought that was a 603 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:50,440 good moment. 604 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:53,279 Speaker 3: I agree wholeheartedly. 605 00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:57,799 Speaker 1: I know Ron thinks I'm a handsome man. I can 606 00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:03,319 see him. I do concur Yeah, I love to le 607 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,720 say Coastitch. I think he could be a critical element. 608 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,000 Uh if he's got to hit the he's got to 609 00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:10,240 have someone hit the three. And he hit four of them. 610 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,319 H And he looks to be getting more comfortable just 611 00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:16,240 handling the ball. And I think he's actually a pretty 612 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,799 good defender. And so I liked Coastitch. I like Tyler Morass. 613 00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:22,920 I thought he showed a lot of fire and grit 614 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,880 when he was on the floor. So I mean that 615 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,000 that's important. I mean, it's it's really important. They just 616 00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:35,400 need someone, whether it's Mahailo or MoU or Coastitch to 617 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:42,200 hit that three. You know, b Yu maybe gave up 618 00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:46,839 some easy threes and you see made them pay. And 619 00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:51,119 teams that played BYU are giving up threes, they're letting 620 00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:54,880 guys certain guys shoot, and so you need to make 621 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,359 them pay. And sometimes the what you have and the 622 00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:03,960 yesterday they did not except for Coastitch, and they were 623 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,039 making threes and Bou was not. And that's not that's 624 00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:09,799 the math doesn't work if that's what's happening in the game. 625 00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:13,200 And so yeah, I mean I guess if I'm going 626 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,599 to go with silver lining, maybe how hard ma Rest 627 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,319 played and the way Kastitch played and they did any 628 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,559 credit miss They didn't give up again. They it was 629 00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:28,480 a thirty five point deficit. They lost by thirteen, so 630 00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:30,839 they didn't just mail it in. They tried to the 631 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,160 end and made it somewhat respectable. But really that's about 632 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,880 all the silver linings I can come up with. 633 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 3: How do you think this team will finish out the year? 634 00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:42,759 Speaker 4: Do you feel like they'll they'll recoup, you know, and 635 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,359 reinvigorate and maybe get back on the right track. They 636 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,799 have a couple of tough opponents remaining. Anything can happen 637 00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:51,519 in the Big twelve. How do you think they figure 638 00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:53,359 finish out the regular season? 639 00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: That's the thing. I then, I just feel like I 640 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,000 have no idea. I mean, they cannot win another game 641 00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:04,160 and that wouldn't surprise me. And they could win and 642 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,839 go to Sweet sixteen and that wouldn't really surprise me. 643 00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:09,279 I mean, I guess it's you know, coming off that 644 00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:12,559 Iowa State game, I was super high on them and 645 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:17,559 thought they could win out in conference. Now I don't know. 646 00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:20,599 I mean, if this team backs against the wall, they 647 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,079 had a good win at Baylor and they beat Iowa State, 648 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,160 So maybe they need kind of some pressure and some 649 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,039 things on the line and people not believing in them 650 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,519 whatever to kind of really get the best out of them. 651 00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:38,920 Certainly can win those games Cincinnati and Wake Forest. They're 652 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,119 not world beaters, but BA, you certainly can't assume they're 653 00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:45,079 gonna beat anybody at this point. And then I actually 654 00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:47,839 really like Texas Tech at home. I think they'll be 655 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,720 up and ready for that game, no question, because it's 656 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,400 Texas Tech and the top and they're a different team, 657 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,839 and there's certainly a game that I think, BA you 658 00:33:56,839 --> 00:33:59,839 could finish with a really good win against the ranked 659 00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:03,640 team at home going into postseason play. So there's opportunities, 660 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,000 there's they're positives. But you know, again, we're kind of 661 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,159 in the shadow of that game last night where you think, 662 00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:14,880 can can they beat anybody? But the reality is, yeah, 663 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,039 they can just a couple of nights before they beat 664 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,639 the number fourteen of the country, and so, uh, you know, 665 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,199 it's it'll be interesting just to see the mental makeup 666 00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,440 of this team, how they respond, you know, uh, you know, 667 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,400 will they play with the needed fire and aggressiveness that 668 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,639 you have to play with in the Big twelve to win. 669 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,519 I think I think they can. I think West Virginia 670 00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:41,800 is a great opportunity Saturday, and hopefully that will give 671 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,039 them some confidence because I think Cincinnati is a better 672 00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:47,320 team and they'll need to play pretty good there to 673 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,280 beat them. And then certainly in my view, they could, 674 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,599 they could finish out three and zero. But but again 675 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:57,719 it's it's it's all kind of influx at this point. 676 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 4: Who is this team and where are they going? The 677 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,800 ceiling and the floor and uh, you know, I feel 678 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,760 like Kuda has changed, right. I'm sure you have a 679 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,880 little bit of race for this team with all the season, 680 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,639 any injuries, But how much how much of a leash? 681 00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:16,159 How much grace do you have? Do the does cougarnation 682 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,039 have when so much has been invested in this team, 683 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,079 not only from a player standpoint, but I'd say from 684 00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:24,880 a coaching staff standpoint as well. 685 00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's a different world, you know, expectations for 686 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,400 this year's team, particularly we're super high. I mean, there's 687 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,519 different things for me. I'm actually really enjoying just watching 688 00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:41,519 AJ play and Rob's been great. That's pretty special just 689 00:35:41,519 --> 00:35:43,920 to watch those guys win or lose do their thing. 690 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,719 H and to have them at the school. The injuries 691 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,920 obviously been played a big factor, and uh, you know 692 00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:59,559 all there's stepth issues. It's pretty obvious, I think. But again, 693 00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:02,880 I yeah, I recognize all that. I recognize the limitations. 694 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,679 I've been around long enough and my expectations maybe have 695 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,320 been lowered. But that said, I really think this team, 696 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,719 if they play. I mean, it's always weird to me 697 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,000 how hard teams play when they get way behind, Like, 698 00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:25,119 guys play that hard at the beginning and then you 699 00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:28,760 don't get way behind. My attitude was always start a 700 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,960 game and start a half, no matter how much we 701 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,199 were ahead or tied, play like you're down ten. That's 702 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,199 the kind of energy you need to play with all 703 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,800 the time. And I think this team, if they can 704 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,119 find that gear, leave in each other and just really 705 00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:46,840 get after it, I still think they're a really good 706 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,320 team and could do some great things in the next 707 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,119 month and a half. But you know, that's that's a 708 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,760 that's a question, you know, can they do that? What's 709 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,440 this team made of? You know, Richie, Richie Saunders is 710 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,719 a guy you miss his playing, but you also just 711 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,800 missed how hard he plays. And he's a senior, and 712 00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:09,960 if guys are playing hard, you can't justify that when 713 00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:12,559 Richie's on the floor with you, like this is Richie's 714 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,719 he's playing hard, I better play hard. And so I 715 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,599 do think it hurts more, even more than a points. 716 00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:24,320 And you know, player loss is just that leadership and 717 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,679 toughness that Richie brought and maybe he can do that 718 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,800 from you know, on the bench and stuff, but clearly 719 00:37:33,039 --> 00:37:35,440 I think that's just there's there's a lot of issues, 720 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,079 but I think a lot of them can be solved 721 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:41,039 with just maximum effort and getting after it, and I 722 00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:42,400 think you'll see good things happen. 723 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 4: Mark Durant, former b YU, great color analyst alongside great rebel. 724 00:37:48,639 --> 00:37:51,199 How's Greg feeling right now? You're more of the optimist 725 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,599 you know there between the duo. I feel like, you know, Greg, 726 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,880 he can be a harsh critic when given the opportunity 727 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,039 to to, you know, to speak up about these things. 728 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: Well, Greg, Greg can be a roller coaster at time, 729 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,519 but that's what makes him fun. And it was such 730 00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:14,119 a drubbing the other night. Yet last night it was 731 00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:16,320 almost comical in a way. It's like, what do you do? 732 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,599 I mean, they're knocking down all these threes and it's 733 00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:21,119 like it's just one of those nights. And so he's 734 00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:24,760 actually pretty upbeat for the most part last night. But 735 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,199 I think, you know, Greg, he's a brilliant guy. I mean, 736 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,159 he really is. And if he wasn't an announcer, he 737 00:38:33,199 --> 00:38:36,280 could be president or I guess he couldn't be president. 738 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,800 He's one of those Canucks. But you know, he could 739 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,119 be a lawyer or doctor. I mean, he's really bright. 740 00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:43,840 He knows the game. He understands all the things we're 741 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,079 talking about, the injuries it is problematic, and the depth 742 00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:50,719 and so, I mean he's a realist. He's a big fan. 743 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,280 So when things don't go well, you know where it's 744 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,639 it on his sleeve a little bit. But I think, 745 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,480 you know, I think he's kind of waiting to see, 746 00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:00,239 like I am, how's this team going to do on 747 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,920 the road. And it certainly likes the guys, believes in 748 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,880 the team, believes we both believe one hundred percent Coach 749 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,760 Young they'll figure it out and get the best out 750 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,360 of his guys. But yeah, I mean it's just kind 751 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,440 of we're just kind of been limbo waiting to see 752 00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:16,119 what what's this what's this team's going to be and 753 00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:17,960 the season's coming to an end here, so you kind 754 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,199 of have to figure out pretty quick. 755 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Mark, I always appreciate our time together. I 756 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,239 would say, Hey, quota to me is you just got 757 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,039 to win one game in the NCAA Tournament and if 758 00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:30,599 you get if you get to the round thirty two, 759 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,880 I'm like, look, with all the season ending injuries, I'm 760 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:34,599 okay with that. 761 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:35,800 Speaker 3: Agree or disagree with. 762 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: A quota, Well, I'd love to see that. But you know, 763 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,360 the NCAA tournament is a large degree on matchups, and 764 00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:46,880 I think Agent is the best player in the country. 765 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,880 So if you've got that, then you always got a chance. 766 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,119 And so I think one certainly would be I think 767 00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:55,920 what I would at least hope for and maybe more. 768 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:56,880 Who knows what this group? 769 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,599 Speaker 4: Mark, real quick, best way to support you? What you do, 770 00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:04,800 how you do it. I know you are a fantastic 771 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,800 lawyer of the real estate realm. 772 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 3: Tell us a little bit about it. 773 00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a real estate attorney. I work at allow 774 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,480 firm called Dorsey and Whitney Downtown. It's a great firm. 775 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,960 So if any businesses or whoever has some legal needs, 776 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,199 whether it's pre real estate or anything. Really, give me 777 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,960 a callic and butt you in contact with some great folks. 778 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,599 I spent over ten years at Dorsey Now it's a 779 00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:36,840 great place. They do great work. So that's my plug 780 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:38,800 for Dorsy and Whitney. 781 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, what's like a traditional like call in that 782 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,280 you get that in which what services you could provide 783 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:51,360 to a listener. What's a maybe a go to traditional 784 00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:53,239 problem solve for you. 785 00:40:55,199 --> 00:40:58,119 Speaker 1: Yeah. So let's say the great Ben Krittle has all 786 00:40:58,159 --> 00:41:03,559 these business and assets and say you need to negotiate 787 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,400 and prepare a lease for one of your buildings, or 788 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,559 say there's a big office building that the Ben Cridal 789 00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:13,880 Enterprises wants to purchase. You need to do due diligence 790 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,960 and contracts and make sure everything's done correctly. Those kind 791 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,119 of things are things that are in my wheelhouse. So 792 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,679 a lot of leasing, a lot of property sales and 793 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,480 acquisition and lending work, all the stuff anything that touches 794 00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:33,159 real property. I have my fingers in love it. 795 00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:37,840 Speaker 4: Man Mark Durrant ladies and gentlemen. More than a pontificator 796 00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:41,639 of ball. He does the law as well, the real 797 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,159 estate law. Appreciate you Mark always appreciate our time. Man 798 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,440 always learned something from you. Thanks for hopping on anytime. 799 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,519 Speaker 1: Ben. I love you guys. Anytime I can help you 800 00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:51,480 do a great service to be a you fan. So 801 00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:51,880 thank you. 802 00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:54,559 Speaker 3: Hey, I appreciate you Mark, Mark Durrant, Ladies and gentlemen. 803 00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:55,360 Great segment. 804 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 4: Great catching up with Mark getting his perspective on all things. 805 00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 3: By you basketball. 806 00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:04,039 Speaker 4: And you know, hopefully you're a little bit more positive. 807 00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:06,280 I mean, he's pretty upbeat about it. 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