WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.839 You see, something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What What's going to happen? 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:17.120 What a. 4 00:00:24.679 --> 00:00:26.920 Welcome to the Occult Rejects. 5 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:29.839 This episode we got a returning guest, a fan favorite 6 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:32.320 and an Occult reject favorite. We got a bigger with 7 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:34.840 us tonight before. But before we introduce him, let me 8 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:38.479 introduce the other rejects. We got Judith the Loon back 9 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:39.799 on again second time today. 10 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:41.560 Thank you so much, Judith, how are you? 11 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:43.719 Thank you for having me. 12 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:50.479 I'm excited about today's episode, the second episode today, and 13 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:54.079 you could catch me at the Loon on YouTube and 14 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:54.920 on x. 15 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:56.840 Liwesome, Thank you so much. 16 00:00:56.840 --> 00:00:58.159 And I figured this might be a little bit more 17 00:00:58.240 --> 00:01:00.799 up your allity, kind of Golden dorn Is style stuff 18 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:01.439 with Ike. 19 00:01:01.719 --> 00:01:04.680 You know, so hopefully it should be fun and my man, 20 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:07.239 gin what is going on? So how are you? 21 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:11.439 What is a boss? Mister ninety three? So thank you 22 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:14.480 so much. Shout out to Ike. Obviously he is a 23 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:17.640 guest tonight. But we just did an episode, so it's 24 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:20.040 not it's not ready, but in a few in a 25 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:21.040 couple of weeks, it will be. 26 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:22.680 So episode eighty eight, lookout for that. 27 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:26.799 Oh nice, Well you got ninety three, so yeah, you know, 28 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:28.200 I really gets their magic number. 29 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:31.200 So but first. 30 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:34.480 Before that, I'm dropping two episodes with Saschke. I've I've 31 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:37.040 chromoted it before it's happening. It was like an eight 32 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:40.159 hour recording. It took me like several days to edit 33 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:42.400 and sort of work through figure out what was going 34 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:43.799 to go on with that. But that's going to be 35 00:01:43.840 --> 00:01:47.359 really cool. I think talking about AI and cabbala and 36 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:52.159 crystals and crystals as in crystal quantum computing, not crystals 37 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:55.359 as in uh, you know, collecting magic rocks, but maybe 38 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:57.680 a different kind of magic rock. So if you're interested 39 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:01.159 in those kinds of things, check me out thresholds Apple, Spotify, 40 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:04.680 and of course my subsac threshold Saints dot substack dot com. 41 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:07.040 You can follow me on ex Twitter at wucom reborn 42 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:10.319 w ukog reborn. Of course you can follow us at 43 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:12.879 The Gray Lodge at the True Gray Lodge dot com, 44 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:16.800 of which Matt Murra is our webmaster and our our 45 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:20.479 YouTube social media coordinator, so obviously like and subscribe to 46 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:21.919 our YouTube channel as well. 47 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:23.639 And we talk about. 48 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:29.199 Pretty much metamagic medica, speculative cabala, speculative, keli chakra, and 49 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:33.159 speculative nascissism and our next episode will be on February thirteenth, 50 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:36.280 will as the cause of fire and exposition on Gnostic 51 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:40.199 Seth Seth non set Seth. So thank you guys so much, 52 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:42.120 appreciate it and really looking forward to it. 53 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:44.479 Oh yeah, thank you Jen. Thank you for everything you 54 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:47.400 do too out there. Appreciate it. And my man Brandon, 55 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:48.520 what's going on, sir. 56 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:54.039 Sup Nick, Hello everyone out there, Welcome to the col Rejects. 57 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:56.639 This is gonna be great. I love Mike Baker, I 58 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:59.680 listening to him talk about his deep knowledge of things, 59 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:02.439 and so I'm very excited about this evening. Make sure 60 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:05.240 everyone goes over to Magas and the media on YouTube, 61 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:08.400 where I will always tell you we are looking for 62 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:11.479 the myth, the meaning, and the magic and the mundane 63 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:13.840 in this strange and crazy world. Also check out my 64 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:17.039 ex where there's a lot of people who need to 65 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:20.319 be laid the SmackDown on them these days, as well 66 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:23.599 as go over to the Instagram because this is where 67 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:26.639 the discourse is happening. Let's do it. 68 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:29.879 Thank you very much, sir, I always appreciate you joining us. Brandon, 69 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:32.680 and last for a lot at least, my man Matt Moore. 70 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:34.520 What is going on, sir? How are you? Thank you 71 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:36.840 for making it? It must be like ridiculously late. It's on 72 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:37.280 too for you. 73 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:42.319 What is It's nine pm now so it's not that 74 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:45.800 Oh really yeah, the members right now. 75 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:45.800 So. 76 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:48.439 Very glad to be here. 77 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:50.680 It's always really good to speak with all of you, 78 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:52.639 and also with Pike, which. 79 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:54.360 Is coming more often now. 80 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:57.680 And yeah, I mean you can always find me on 81 00:03:57.759 --> 00:03:59.960 all my socials, like I say, at my burn nineteen 82 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:04.919 that's going to be Twitter, YouTube, TikTok, Instagram YouTube, maybe 83 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:05.560 some other place. 84 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:09.280 And today I'm not going to promote my Camalo website, 85 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:12.520 which you all know, but I'm promoting a new project 86 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:16.600 being worked on which is called gam MoU So it's 87 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:20.839 going to be an esoteric platform. I'm really fucking, super 88 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:24.720 extra mega excited to do it. And you can actually 89 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:28.959 join the waiting list in enter gamu dot com. That's 90 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:32.439 g A M Enter g a M dot com. You 91 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:34.360 can join the wait list there and when it's ready 92 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:37.199 should be pretty quickly, at least the basics of it, 93 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:41.360 you're going to get modified. So yeah, let's see liesome. 94 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:43.519 Thank you very much, man, and I'm really glad that 95 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:46.439 you were able to make it. And uh, finally, to 96 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:49.240 the guest himself, Iike, please let everybody know what you 97 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:52.360 deal is. Whatever you want to plug where they can 98 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:53.639 find your work, please let them know. 99 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:58.720 Thanks. I'm really happy to be back on with you guys. 100 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:01.879 This is always a lot of fun. My third time 101 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:03.759 on probably in like I don't know, like a month 102 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:04.240 and a half. 103 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:07.240 Yeah, yeah, sorry, but no. 104 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:10.279 It's awesome. I love this. The format that you have 105 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:15.279 here is really unique amongst you know, while I should 106 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:19.480 say successful podcasts and occultism and esotericism and magic and 107 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:21.399 all that stuff, you just get a bunch of people 108 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:23.800 in the room and or really in their own separate 109 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:28.120 rooms and then bring them together and just let the 110 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:30.600 sparks fly. So it's a lot of fun. I'm glad 111 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:36.959 to be here. I am Mike Baker. I am a 112 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:41.079 man of many affiliations. I run the Hermetic Order of 113 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:45.240 the Golden Dawn Temple in North Carolina out of Asheville, 114 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:49.720 a free Masonic historian. I wrote A Formless Fire in 115 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:52.439 twenty twenty four, which is about the history, theory, and 116 00:05:52.519 --> 00:05:57.160 practice of the Western esoteric traditions from antiquity until about 117 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:03.120 the nineteenth and early early twentieth century. The book we're 118 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:07.360 gonna talk about tonight I wrote in twenty twenty five. 119 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:10.120 I published it with Lou Ellen. It's called Etheric Magic, 120 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:13.319 and uh, I'm really excited to talk about that and 121 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:16.560 and everything else. Anybody wants to find out more about 122 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:19.360 the podcast and the YouTube channel that I run and 123 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:24.279 host ar kanam A R C A n v M, 124 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:26.759 you can check it out at my website, Ike Baker 125 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:28.920 dot com I K E B A K E R. 126 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:32.639 I have got everything my blog, my podcast, my documentary 127 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:35.959 style presentations and what have you. So check that out 128 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:37.079 and I'm happy to be here. 129 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:39.399 Well yeah, well, thank you very much, said, I really 130 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:41.600 appreciate you coming on. And if people haven't checked out 131 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:43.600 his stuff, if you're into this show because of the 132 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:45.759 you know, the deep dive, well not everything's always deep 133 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:48.600 dives anymore, but if you're into the in depth conversation 134 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:50.720 that we have on topics, definitely go check out his channel. 135 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:53.480 He goes fall beyond what we talk about, so he's 136 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:56.800 got a plethora of, you know, definitely intense stuff to 137 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:00.680 listen to. My opinion, So Hike, thank you very much 138 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:05.759 for joining us. And yes, the book Etheric magic. First 139 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:08.199 question I wanted to ask you is what I guess, 140 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:10.079 what would etheric magic mean to you? 141 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:15.160 Well, it's right out of the gate. It's a confusing 142 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:19.120 term for most people. But so my primary goal in 143 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:20.560 the beginning of the book, at the outset of the 144 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:24.120 book is to define my terms. I find generally that 145 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:30.000 in magic and the occult, and increasingly outside of it, 146 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:33.639 we're using words. We have a common vernacular, but we're 147 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:37.839 defining these things. There's different shades of meaning depending on 148 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:40.759 the person and the community that they came up in. 149 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:43.240 For instance, a lot of people might think I'm talking 150 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:48.160 about the Enochi and ethers when I talk about etheric magic, right, 151 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:52.199 But that's not what I mean to really discuss. I 152 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:59.160 based it off of the really Platonic traditions word for 153 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:04.759 the fifth element, which was ethira okay, and it basically, 154 00:08:04.959 --> 00:08:08.519 you know, it contained other elements. It was a you know, 155 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:14.079 a quintessence of sorts. So I wanted to systematize that 156 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:18.120 term because we don't really have a satisfactory term for 157 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:22.600 that in the West, right. And we'll go into into this, 158 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:26.560 you know, obviously I talked about how i'm I'm in 159 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:29.240 the Western esoteric traditions. But I went to school for 160 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:33.600 Chinese medicine and acupuncture, and you know, I studied meridian theory. 161 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:39.240 I studied chigung privately and in school, and so I 162 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:42.240 I have a lot of experience on both sides of 163 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:44.159 the fence. And what I saw was that in the 164 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:51.679 Eastern systems there was a much more developed and systematized 165 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:57.200 body of energy work, okay, and they had discrete terms 166 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:01.960 for it like chi, prana, uh so on so forth, 167 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:05.440 key in, you know, in the Japanese tradition, ray key, 168 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:10.679 So they had terms that right in anglophone languages, it's 169 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:13.600 kind of like, you know, words are a little bit 170 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:18.759 more specific. There's there's less there's less of a broader interpretation. 171 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:23.679 And for instance, the word chi or let's say the 172 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:28.519 pictograph for chi uh in in in in Chinese, is 173 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:33.519 it actually resembles It's supposed to be the vapor rising 174 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:36.559 off of a pot of rice uh and this is 175 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:41.519 supposed to communicate breath vapor. But it's also, as we know, 176 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:50.879 universal life force energy. It's also used to describe something's 177 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:54.639 inherent nature. So you say, why does why does water 178 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:59.279 flow downhill? And Daoist would say that is its chi, 179 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:02.519 that is its nature. So there's all these You know, 180 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:06.279 there's this wonderful way of communicating in other languages, but 181 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:11.799 in anglophone languages we strive for precision, and especially in 182 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:16.159 discourses like this. I wanted to facilitate that in the 183 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:20.240 In the the Western tradition, we have the term energy 184 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:26.120 work right, that is that's extremely vague. I wouldn't even 185 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:28.960 say that it's broad. I would say that it's vague 186 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:33.000 because if you go and look at the scientific definition 187 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:36.559 of energy, the definition is the ability to do work, 188 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:40.519 which effectively tells me what we're working about it. So 189 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:46.120 I don't know, is it really energy? I can't say, 190 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:48.679 because I'm not a scientist my area of expertise is 191 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:51.279 in this stuff. But I will say that it's it's 192 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:56.720 best characterized as a radiant luminosity, this ether, this quintessence, 193 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:02.720 this chi that runs through and around the organism that 194 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:06.080 we we have no choice but to talk about in 195 00:11:06.159 --> 00:11:08.639 terms of energy because it's the way that most people 196 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:10.840 are going to be able to grasp onto this in 197 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:15.279 the Western system. So ether is is my term in 198 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:20.559 an attempt to systematize a definition for this universal life 199 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:24.000 force energy specifically in this Western context. 200 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:26.639 Thank you, thank you. 201 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:29.039 I actually fell into the whole thing of thinking it 202 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:31.080 might have been a Nokia magic myself when I first 203 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:33.240 heard the name of the book, and then I was. 204 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:34.639 Like, I don't know, let me go check before I 205 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:39.639 just assume. And I was like, ah, it's not so yeah, yeah, no, I. 206 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:41.639 Mean, I'm not going to teach people how to describe 207 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:42.559 the ethers I took. 208 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:44.480 That's actually I was kind of surprise. I was like, 209 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:46.080 I was actually surprised you would have put that out. 210 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:47.320 I can't do that. 211 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:52.120 I take oaths. Yeah, so good for you, man, Good 212 00:11:53.120 --> 00:11:53.840 go ahead. 213 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:57.200 Yeah. Do you think then that see in the more 214 00:11:57.200 --> 00:11:59.600 of the Chigung's sense, when you speak to Chigung masters 215 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:02.960 and Kungo guys, they talk about the bioelectric body, right, 216 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:07.960 and so could you then superimpose a very similar for 217 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:11.720 idea of ether with like it's a bioelectric field that 218 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:12.960 moves through all things. 219 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:13.720 You know. 220 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:17.120 The thing is that in terms of Chiegong and Daoist masters, 221 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:19.720 that's a very very new thing to call it that, right, 222 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:22.600 because we for for the millennia that they had this tradition, 223 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:29.639 they didn't know about bio bioluminosity or bioelectricity. I talk 224 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:32.720 about it, I try and talk about it. I would 225 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:36.039 say that there's there's various shades of density of energy. 226 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:39.120 Energy is all. It's all the same thing. It's just 227 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:42.519 depending on its state of vibration, it has different ways 228 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:46.000 of interacting with itself and other things. Right, So like 229 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:50.480 it can be electricity or it can be magnetism, depending 230 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:54.399 on what end of the spectrum it's on. Right, we 231 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:57.960 call that electromagnetic spectrum. So, but it's it's all. It's 232 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:01.120 all energy, which we really we have hard time defining 233 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:07.879 outside of light vibrating at various rates, mostly very very fast. 234 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:12.320 So I would say radiant luminosity is a good way 235 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:17.440 to conceive of this because it's it's it's somewhere, it's 236 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:21.720 slightly subtler. It's related to it's in that that band, 237 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:26.000 that broad band spectrum. But it's it's different than electro 238 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:33.399 magnetic field. And I'll tell you why. It's it obeys 239 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:38.480 your mind. She obeyed your mind. This is how we're 240 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:41.240 able to move it. Right, How I was saying, is 241 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:43.159 where the mind goes, the chi flows. 242 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:45.080 Yeah, move the chi. 243 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:48.799 You gotta link that up. You got to link that 244 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:54.759 up you. Most people don't have a firm, established working 245 00:13:54.879 --> 00:14:00.000 understanding and that immediate relationship to their to their radiant boss. 246 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:06.480 It's kind of like teaching a like an atrophied limb, 247 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:08.240 where you like, you have an I have an arm 248 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:10.320 that wasn't aware I even had. Now I have to 249 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:13.120 kind of get it to move and work out my 250 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:17.080 motor my fine motor skills and things like this. You know, 251 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:21.799 that's the case with linking up your conscious mind to 252 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:27.559 the what will be latent and impressionable etheric fields. 253 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:27.799 Right. 254 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:30.000 So I refer to that in the book as a 255 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:33.879 lesser conjunction of Saul and Luna. So I couch the 256 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:38.120 entire thing. I couch the entire thing in the the 257 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:44.320 the allegories, formulas and terms of alchemy, because ultimately Chi 258 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:48.519 Gung Tichi, all of this stuff comes out of Nadan, 259 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:53.480 which is Daoist internal alchemy, and they have a very 260 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:57.679 very interesting and similar system to us. But they they're 261 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:07.080 they're textual tradition. Is it's difficult for Westerners, but it's 262 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:10.000 there's more. There's more there that can be readily understood 263 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:13.360 I think by people native to the culture who are 264 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:17.440 involved in that whereas like alchemy is a total Western 265 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:20.960 alchemy is a totally different thing in terms of the 266 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:27.679 textual tradition. I had a conversation with the alchemist Phoenix Aurelius, 267 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:32.600 and we were talking about the Western alchemical textual tradition, 268 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:34.200 and I think we referred to it as like a 269 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:37.600 fever dream forest. You know, it's like it's just all 270 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:41.799 these strange allegories and images and and everybody thinks that 271 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:44.440 they have the answer, you know, this is what this 272 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:47.240 key means. That really it's it's all dependent on where 273 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:51.159 and when this this stuff was written. Whereas there's a 274 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:55.480 little bit more systematization because there's an there's a protected 275 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:59.840 tradition in the East of internal alchemy that manifests things 276 00:15:59.879 --> 00:16:05.480 like chigong and taichi and even and especially a lot 277 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:08.000 of people don't realize is it's like the other side 278 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:11.559 of the coin of martial arts. Like you, martial arts 279 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:15.720 and and and and chigong are linked inextricably, you know 280 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:16.320 in the East. 281 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:21.720 Yeah, no, that's fascinating. When I found out a long 282 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:25.200 time ago that, like U, there's thirteen main postures in taichi. 283 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:26.679 I don't remember if I was telling you this, but 284 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:30.320 The idea is that it links up the the eight 285 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:34.120 Trigrams of Baguah with the five elements of Chinese medicine. 286 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:37.080 So you get this beautiful mixing of the Taoists with 287 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:39.000 the Buddhists, and then you get it in this one 288 00:16:39.080 --> 00:16:42.320 grand ultimate system, which is what Taichi means. It's amazing. 289 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:43.440 Yeah. 290 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:47.399 Yeah. The the the reliance on the simple system of 291 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:52.639 the Bagua the eight Trigrams is so sophisticated and elegant. 292 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:57.360 It's also ancient that it's there's no way I tried 293 00:16:57.440 --> 00:16:59.399 my best, but there's no way I could I could 294 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:03.840 match that in terms of what I described in the 295 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:09.559 book in Ethoreic Magic. Luckily, I am releasing another book 296 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:13.359 this year within an tradition called Esoteric Mythology, where I 297 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:16.359 do take people through the Bagua the Trigrams and talk 298 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:19.400 about Dais cosmology. So you know, I like to look 299 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:21.720 at I like to think of my body of work 300 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:24.160 as all related. You know, if you if you get 301 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:28.119 it doesn't matter if they're on slightly different topics, they 302 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:30.319 all they fill each other in. They kind of you know, 303 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:31.640 complete the profile. 304 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:32.880 Yeah. 305 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:35.559 Nice, I will say for everyone out there listening, Bena Bell, 306 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:38.319 when I Believe is her name. She has put out 307 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:41.480 fantastic work in the eaching and the Daoist Yeah. 308 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:45.920 Second, I'll second that. Brandon gend Well, I'm very familiar 309 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:48.559 with Daois. I'm just like we Nick and I interviewed 310 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:53.599 a Daoist priest from Cambodia, Chinese Cambodian. But like, yeah, 311 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:55.599 I grew I grew up around DAOs on my whole life, 312 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:57.880 like I've I mean, I lived in Hong Kong, I've 313 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:00.480 been around it. It's not like something totally bargn to me, 314 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:02.599 like what I say, I'm a Taoist or no that 315 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:05.160 much textually no, but. 316 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:07.359 Am I comfortable culturally with it? Yes? 317 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:11.039 And so like Benabel, it's very similar to Kabala. Actually, 318 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:14.880 you're supposed to translate your own version of eaching when 319 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:17.759 you turn forty, and so she did that from like 320 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:21.119 Mandarin into English. And she also did that from you 321 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:23.440 have to come up excuse me, you have to come 322 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:26.720 up with your own definitions basically, but they have to 323 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:31.279 refer to the class culture tradition. So it's a scholarly endeavor. 324 00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:31.880 And she did that. 325 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:35.400 So that's a very impressive just undertaking as a sort 326 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:38.599 of like a Taoist magician or a Dauscher or whatever 327 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:39.160 you want to call it. 328 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:40.359 Though for sure. 329 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:43.880 It's very impressive and I and I think she would 330 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:46.720 be a great guest, and I've reached out her. Yeah, 331 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:48.599 so shout out to Bennabella if she wants to come on, 332 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:49.039 Come on. 333 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:52.640 Annabel Is bene Bell was formative for a lot of 334 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:56.000 the stuff that I did. She was the first and 335 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:58.000 I talk about her a lot on my shows, and 336 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:01.240 the forward right for you, I have to know she 337 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:06.440 did the forward. But Benebel was the first person to 338 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:10.880 read Etheric Magic because I had been talking back and forth. 339 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:13.680 We had been other than my editor, but I had 340 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:15.960 been I had been going back and forth with Bennabel 341 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:19.720 for months about uh, this kind of stuff. She didn't 342 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:21.960 really know, she didn't see the full picture until I 343 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:25.559 sent her the the the proof, the unedited, the uncorrected 344 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:29.079 proof for for her to offer a blurb. And the 345 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:32.079 response I got from her made me well up with tears. 346 00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:35.559 She said, you know, it's uh, she said it was. 347 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:37.920 She thought it was unbelievable and and she she she 348 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:40.359 did give a very good blurb. So but the thing, 349 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:42.519 the key thing, and I mentioned her work, I cite 350 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:44.920 her work. I talk about her in the book. Is 351 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:49.880 that for me, there is no scholar at the crossroads 352 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:55.960 of esoteric philosophy and practice in any tradition that is 353 00:19:56.039 --> 00:20:00.480 doing it the way she is. So yeah, she somebody 354 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:03.000 of the highest caliber. I hope you guys get her 355 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:04.480 on the show and if she's here, tell her. 356 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:07.839 I said, hello, nice, nice, Yeah, Oh I saw how 357 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:09.480 day pop up when I was looking at your book 358 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:09.880 and stuff. 359 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:10.920 Oh. 360 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:14.240 One thing I did want to ask, I guess like 361 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:17.079 I had, I've had a guy on Cole Lee on 362 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:20.480 Southgate and he was like somebody who I think reduplicated 363 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:24.519 Wilhelm Reich's experiment with oregon, and sometimes he would kind 364 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:26.759 of like go kind of consider that like almost like ether, 365 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:31.920 and like so like do you think that's he will 366 00:20:31.960 --> 00:20:33.839 look at it that it's like kind of like everything 367 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:35.079 around this and it's everywhere. 368 00:20:35.640 --> 00:20:35.759 Is that? 369 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:41.119 Here's the thing is this. It was first discovered in 370 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:45.359 the West in a major way at a time where 371 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:51.599 like science was burgeoning, right, So really the first person 372 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:56.559 to really do it and it exploded was Franz Anton Mesmer. Okay, 373 00:20:56.799 --> 00:20:57.759 he was the first one. 374 00:20:58.039 --> 00:20:58.680 He wrote. 375 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:01.880 He has a memoir that he wrote very thin, very readable. 376 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:05.839 It's called the disc on the Discovery of Animal Magnetism. 377 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:10.000 He was calling it electromagnetism, but really he called it 378 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:13.119 was more so magnetic than it was electric. 379 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:13.960 Uh. 380 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:18.200 And he would he was a physician, and what he 381 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:21.359 would do is he would do these things called like 382 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:27.240 magnetic or mesmeric passes. He essentially render them in a 383 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:31.160 state of what he called somnambulism. Okay, this is very 384 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:33.400 It's the word that you see constantly in the work 385 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:38.160 of you know, Crowley era stuff. The Theosophical Society used 386 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:42.960 that word, the somnambulistic state. He he effectively coined this 387 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:47.680 word and write, somnambulism means you're asleep but walking around 388 00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:50.160 like you're able to move, but you're asleep. So Franz 389 00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:54.720 Anton Mesmer discovered hypnotism. In the West, it used to 390 00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:59.160 be called mesmerism. Now we don't call it that anymore, 391 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:02.000 but it's still there's vestiges of it in our vernacular. 392 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:04.720 When you say, oh, he was mesmerized by that, I 393 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:07.200 was mesmerized by this, just like transfixed. 394 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:07.799 Right. 395 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:11.759 So initially that science that that technique was called mesmerism. 396 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:15.759 To put somebody in a trance using magnetic passes. 397 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:19.279 It really really. 398 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:23.200 Developed with people like Alankar dec Ellie fuss Levy was 399 00:22:23.480 --> 00:22:26.880 huge on it. He considered what Mesmer found to be 400 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:30.799 what he called the azolt, the magical agent. He said, 401 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:35.119 this is what makes magic work right. And elifas lev 402 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:40.400 he's not he wasn't a guy that really he It's 403 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:43.240 very typical of the French style, even to the to 404 00:22:43.319 --> 00:22:46.359 the modern day, or at least into the twentieth century. 405 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:49.880 It's like this strange wordplay. I don't know if it's 406 00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:52.720 something to do with their language, but they conceal more 407 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:55.440 than they reveal. And it's so you're sitting there the 408 00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:58.359 whole time and there's this kind of like tension that 409 00:22:58.480 --> 00:23:01.039 builds up. Right, it's just feel like too much foreplay, 410 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:06.279 you know. But there's this one particular tract, this very 411 00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:08.559 thin treatise that I found in New York City on 412 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:14.319 Fourteenth Street in a bookshop called Namasta Books by Union Square. 413 00:23:14.599 --> 00:23:17.799 This was years ago, still there, bookstore is still there. 414 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:20.920 Little track translated by Arthur Edward Waite. It's called the 415 00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:24.599 Science of Hermes And in this I don't know, thirty 416 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:29.279 forty page little booklet, eliphas Levy is explicit for the 417 00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:32.960 very first time. He's hyped up this whole thing with 418 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:40.079 at the magical agent and the the twin serpents of 419 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:43.519 the astrolite. He's speaking about it symbolically and be careful. 420 00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:46.079 It can devour you, it can lead you to your death. 421 00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:49.920 But it's the operative agent of magic. So in this 422 00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:53.000 treatise he defines it and he says, as off, the 423 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:58.359 great magical agent is nothing less than magnetized electricity. So 424 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:02.799 this is, uh, this is what at this time period, 425 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:05.920 this is what they were grafting things. They were they 426 00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:10.000 were trying to make it fit with the scientific vernacular. Now, 427 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:14.200 I studied, you know, chief theory in in in college, 428 00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:17.240 and even still they're trying to figure it out. They 429 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:22.039 don't know that it's uh, electromagnetic, they don't know that 430 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:27.119 it's bio, that it's related to bioluminosity. There are if 431 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:30.559 you read uh, I forget the name of the book. 432 00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:32.599 I have it right here on my shelf, but I 433 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:33.799 don't want to get up and be rude. 434 00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:34.160 Uh. 435 00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:35.640 There's a book. 436 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:39.160 That I'll get in a minute, and it talks about 437 00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:41.759 how research was done to show how the she meridians 438 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:44.799 run along fashion lines in the body. They run almost 439 00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:50.640 exactly with the lines of fascia, the connective tissue throughout 440 00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:53.200 the body. So so we're still trying to figure it out. 441 00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:59.200 But for for for a magician's purposes, it's it's it's 442 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:03.720 not that it's it's unimportant to know. It's not enough 443 00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:07.240 to know. It's not enough to know what this is. 444 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:10.160 You have to work with it. You have to work 445 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:12.880 and don't be so convinced that you must put it 446 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:14.880 in this little box, because at the end of the day, 447 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:19.680 who gives a shit? If it works, use it, use it. 448 00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:23.920 You will develop a much more intimate relationship with this 449 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:27.480 if you use it rather than try and explain it scientifically. 450 00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:29.920 But I get it, you know, in the modern West, 451 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:32.319 that's the way our brains are hardwired. We've got all 452 00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:36.000 this programming telling us we have to find a scientific 453 00:25:36.400 --> 00:25:40.000 way to describe this and something rooted in materialism so 454 00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:42.039 that I can feel good about it and I don't 455 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:44.880 have to sound crazy. Meantime, you're pranting around in robes. 456 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:46.559 You know, at this point, who gives a shit? 457 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:49.519 Well, even the guy who comes on my show that 458 00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:50.960 I've I don't know a few times about this stuff. 459 00:25:50.960 --> 00:25:52.640 I still think he's even like lost to a sense 460 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:54.680 of like what the fuck he's even playing with. But 461 00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:57.400 like what I was getting at is like, do you 462 00:25:57.519 --> 00:25:59.319 think this is something like it's some sort of like 463 00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:02.359 I guess obviously with the book, I'm looking at it 464 00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:04.440 as like some sort of energy that's like within everything, 465 00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:06.400 maybe around this and we can actually tap into it 466 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:08.839 and manipulate in a movie, or you don't move it 467 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:09.559 to our will. 468 00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:15.359 Maybe, Yeah, And I talk about it in terms of right, 469 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:17.440 and I said that I don't like to talk in 470 00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:26.000 scientific verbiage, but I'm gonna utilize this here because I 471 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:28.920 talk about it in the book. So the idea of 472 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:38.839 the luminiferous ether that uh Tesla Nicola Tesla positive really 473 00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:43.039 made popular, he said. And this is very Rosy Krushian actually, 474 00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:46.559 because the Rossi, one of the main Rosi Crucian maxims 475 00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:50.039 is nic wa kwam vakum, right, that's out of the 476 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:54.119 Fama fraternity. Tant is nowhere avoid, There is nowhere avoid. 477 00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:58.440 And so this idea that light travels these empty expanses 478 00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:02.240 was unt pennible. The light from the Sun passing through 479 00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:06.119 the vacuum of space that's an untenable idea in that framework. 480 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:09.640 So what he really conceived of and there's there's there's problems. 481 00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:12.720 There's still problems, and they don't teach you this, but 482 00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:15.640 there's still issues like how light is able to refract 483 00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:20.000 through like a glass, you know, not ali like a prism, 484 00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:22.640 like a water glass. That there's all sorts of problems 485 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.039 with the way that we conceive of of the of 486 00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:28.359 light and it's it's traveling. But the thing is it's 487 00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:31.759 couched in such esoteric scientific language. It sounds very attractive, 488 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:34.119 and meantime, nobody knows what the hell it really means 489 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:38.000 unless you've gone through that that priesthood training of you know, 490 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:42.319 become the new priesthood of you know, this academic sort 491 00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:50.119 of uh scientifistic uh training. But they the luminiferous ether 492 00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:53.400 basically says that there is no void, there is no vacuum, 493 00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:57.400 that there is this this field. It's a field that 494 00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:03.079 is almost an empty fullness, and it contains everything inside 495 00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:08.440 of that field. And when things travel or appear to travel, 496 00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:12.519 what's really happening is that this field, which is latent 497 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:17.799 until it has acted upon, is stimulated to produce a 498 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:20.799 form of light. You know, which can be color, which 499 00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:25.480 can be you know, just plain light. So it's all 500 00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:31.480 about stimulation of the ether. And this is effectively, Yeah, 501 00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:37.319 this is how we understand the personal etheric field to work. 502 00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:40.119 That's how magicians do it. They tap into it with 503 00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:43.319 the mind and they pull forth from it, They extract 504 00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:47.200 forth from it what it is they need, whatever their 505 00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:50.400 purposes are. Now we have a sophisticated languaging around this 506 00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:54.200 which seems kind of goofy, but earth, air, fire, water, 507 00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:58.559 the seven classical planets, and the twelve signs of the zodiac, 508 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:01.119 all of those things right there right if you're going 509 00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:05.400 based off of the Seffroyette era, they embody, they embody 510 00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:10.000 all of the creative potencies of the cosmos. So it's 511 00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:13.000 it's it seems like simplistic, but really what we're doing 512 00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:16.559 is we have our own sort of you know, ideograms, 513 00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:23.039 these these images that are associated with the whole continuity 514 00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:26.160 of ideas that we use in order to induce these 515 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:29.759 things in our own personal etheric field that we call 516 00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:33.559 the sphere of sensation. So yes, I would say completely, 517 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:36.880 it is this thing that is everywhere. It's as you know, 518 00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:40.799 I love to quote Yoda buddy. He basically it's the 519 00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:43.359 same thing as the force. It truly, truly is you know. 520 00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:46.240 And it's just so interesting to me that the path 521 00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:48.680 of the Jedi was to learn how to use this force. 522 00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:49.319 You know. 523 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:51.160 It's very very interesting. 524 00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:55.079 Yeah, no, it's fascinating. Yeah, and people should know that. 525 00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:57.079 Somebody put it in the chat, so they're really smart. 526 00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:02.440 Body Electric by Robert Becker is is amazing for breaking 527 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:07.720 all that ideas down. It's just yeah, exactly, it's fascinating. 528 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:09.880 So going from the living organism into it and at 529 00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:12.480 the very end proving how you can regenerate limbs by 530 00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:16.799 understanding your that a boy understanding. Uh not, Oh, that's 531 00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:17.240 a good book. 532 00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:22.319 So that I just just not to interrupt you, but 533 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:24.599 this is this was the book I was talking about. 534 00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:28.400 It's called The Spark in the Machine. Yeah, so, uh, 535 00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:32.400 doctor Daniel keone, this is the book that I was 536 00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:36.279 talking about with some of that. Uh. The subtitle is 537 00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:40.240 how the Science of Acupuncture Explains the Mysteries of Western Medicine. 538 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.440 This is an invaluable book. I recommend it. 539 00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:49.119 Nice. Yeah, you know, it's interesting to think about it. 540 00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:51.240 Me and Judith had a mutual friend that was into 541 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:53.160 acupunctutuity was in the oto with us. 542 00:30:56.960 --> 00:30:59.480 I mean, I think it's most important is do kung 543 00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:02.319 fu and do magic, right, I mean it's like why 544 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.559 not be a warrior magician in this world? And I 545 00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:08.039 think it's It's something I'm continually talking about with people, 546 00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:11.960 is it's like, why why not make your body into 547 00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:14.160 exactly what you want it to be? Because it's a 548 00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:17.720 body mind siyssogy, so you know, understand the body, understand 549 00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:18.440 the mind. 550 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:22.519 Right, absolutely, absolutely, I mean that's the whole thing is, 551 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:28.359 Like you, there's things that happen to you and Brandon, 552 00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:29.680 I think you and I talked about it when I 553 00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.240 was on your podcast, but there are things that happened 554 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:35.960 to your to you somadically when you begin to train 555 00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:40.039 in a system of martial arts that people would not assume, right. 556 00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:42.240 People think that you're going to get really kind of 557 00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:46.599 clunky and kind of just very like you know, jerky 558 00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:49.640 and your movements, and there is that in a certain 559 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:52.000 type of kung fu and a certain type of martial arts. 560 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.359 But really what's going on is like you're you're actually 561 00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:57.480 becoming gentler, Like you're learning how to move like a 562 00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:00.880 like a swan. You know, like like a cat. You know, 563 00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:03.559 you really are You're you're using your body in a 564 00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:08.480 way that's very much like dance, and it's it's it 565 00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:11.759 doesn't wait for you to be on the dance floor 566 00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:13.960 like you're just you're living your life like that. So 567 00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:18.440 that elegance and that flow contributes to the beauty and 568 00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:20.759 the harmony of the soul as well, which inhabits the 569 00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:21.680 body for a time. 570 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.799 Yeah. Yeah, And thus in the idea of kung fu, right, 571 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:28.000 it doesn't mean martial art, right, it means mastery through time, 572 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:29.839 which is a common misconception. 573 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:32.599 Yeah, that's the that's the interesting thing, right in like 574 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:35.279 chin Chinese culture, they call it wushu. They don't call 575 00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:37.799 it kung fu. They can call anything that you've done 576 00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.839 and acquired incredible skill. It could be like I could 577 00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:44.839 be like sharpening pencils. That's if you've mastered it, that's 578 00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:48.440 gung fu. You know, mastery really is gung fu, but 579 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:50.799 we use it as a generic term. They call it 580 00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:52.079 wushu martial arts. 581 00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:57.200 Yeah, and interesting enough, even good kung fu has gone underground, 582 00:32:57.400 --> 00:32:59.960 and so there's a wushu has now become taken over 583 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:04.960 or buy the CCP and the operatic theatrics, and so 584 00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:06.839 it's really fascinating. I trust me. 585 00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:11.720 That's as someone you can as the wushu person growing up. 586 00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:14.400 Yeah, yeah, you know it is. 587 00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:15.319 It's sports. 588 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:21.599 Wushu is sports performance means like so sancho that is, 589 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:24.880 that's for physical contact, like that's what the army trains in. 590 00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:29.599 But wushu is just for the is to preserve classical forms. 591 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:31.960 Well, there's a conspiracy out. 592 00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:34.160 Because just. 593 00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:38.799 As someone from the diaspora, Brandon, I'll just tell you 594 00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:42.720 that people from Hong Kong, Indonesia, Singapore, Taiwan, we all 595 00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:46.720 do wusho too as kids like my dad's. Yeah, I'm 596 00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:48.880 just I'm just saying it's not just like a CCP 597 00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:56.200 conspiracy that like someone might participate in their like cultural form, right. 598 00:33:56.599 --> 00:33:58.440 I just want to say that because that would be 599 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:01.599 that would be kind of cool if if we start 600 00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:07.319 talking about CCP conspiracy. Interesting left turn. 601 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:08.239 But I don't. 602 00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:13.760 Speaking strictly out of my caboos. 603 00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:14.239 Uh. 604 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.599 There's a few teasers I have over in San Francisco, 605 00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:20.960 Chucci Link being one of them is Master Hungar from 606 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:24.039 that family, and it's a there's an interesting differentiation and 607 00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:27.679 I only connected due to the idea of kung fu 608 00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:31.920 having to go underground because in many times in its 609 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.440 history because of its ability to topple governments. 610 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:41.159 Yeah, Boxer rebellion really but but but that's that's that's 611 00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:44.400 you know, that's really that is really interesting, this idea 612 00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:49.079 of of of kung fu having to go underground, because 613 00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.360 if you remember, right, and like I think I want 614 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:55.199 to say and and Jin can correct me, because I'm 615 00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:57.920 again I'm a little out outside of my wheelhouse and 616 00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:00.679 what I'm about to say, but uh, I think in 617 00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:05.360 the nineteenth and eighteenth centuries, or maybe it's the nineteenth 618 00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:10.320 and early twentieth centuries, martial arts became really to my understanding, 619 00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:12.119 you became associated with secret societies. 620 00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:14.519 Yes, yeah, yeah, that's absolutely. 621 00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:17.719 I mean it's it's been associated with the Triad since 622 00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:21.199 the beginning of the Triad, and like it predates the 623 00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:24.119 Boxer Rebellion because it actually relates to the Hawk what's 624 00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:26.239 called the Hakka Punti Wars, and we won't get into this, 625 00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:30.559 it's a series of ethnic conflicts in southern China. But 626 00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:33.639 like Bagua was developed it as a court martial arts system, 627 00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:36.559 like in the during the Qing dynasty, which is like 628 00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:40.800 the last Manshu dynasty. Everybody's seen like the last Emperor 629 00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:44.039 of China. So bagua was developed as like a bodyguard 630 00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:46.800 system of self defense. So there's like a The thing 631 00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:49.440 is is like Chinese martial arts is very varied, and 632 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:53.000 so after the Cultural Revolution they actually systematized it. So 633 00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:56.000 then there's sport fighting which is called wusha as we 634 00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:59.320 said wushu, and then there's full contact sport fighting which 635 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:02.000 is called san show, which includes. 636 00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:02.800 All the martial arts. 637 00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:05.519 But they just they brought in like different people like 638 00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:10.679 from se Lot, like a Screama from phil the Philippines, 639 00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:13.159 Crave McGraw from like Israel because like China has a 640 00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:16.679 defense agreement with Israeli. But like they brought in all 641 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:18.840 these people and they kind of systematized it with the 642 00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:21.960 Chinese masters basically, and they said, what is going to 643 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.920 be the best full contact full contact thing. So you 644 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:28.119 can see a lot of post two thousand and one 645 00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:32.760 Hong Kong films, like if you watch like I'm forgetting 646 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:36.559 his name now, I think his name is Jingly or yeah, Jingle, 647 00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:39.679 I think Woijing Wuijing. I'm sorry, I couldn't remember, but 648 00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:43.719 his his films are all sanchow fighting, So you're you're right, ike, 649 00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.960 is that they're all interconnected, like it's all like part 650 00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.719 of the PPA, like the People's Liberation Army, the PLA 651 00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:53.320 or the triad. So you do see like a conflict, 652 00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:57.559 but in general most people just differentiate, Like wushi is 653 00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:02.400 just like systematized. It's for it's for competition, sport fighting, 654 00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:04.920 and then sound shows like what the army does, and 655 00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:06.719 then all the other martial arts. 656 00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:07.960 That's more of a diaspora thing. 657 00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:11.320 Yeah, like is saying, and it's what's the way that 658 00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:14.639 I kind of incorporate that into the book? Is actually right? 659 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:18.960 There are postures because that's just part of magic, it's 660 00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.679 part of tigong, it's part of any kind of energy work. 661 00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:29.599 But but the thing is I emphasize not certainly, not 662 00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:31.639 to the exclusion of the magical. I mean there's a 663 00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:35.320 I would say half the book is like exercises practices 664 00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:41.599 specifically towards magic. But but I bring something into the 665 00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:44.960 discussion that I don't see really covered in any depth 666 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:48.960 very often, and that is health because you can use 667 00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:52.679 this stuff to heal yourself, others, et cetera, so on 668 00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.760 and so forth. And I have training and I feel 669 00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:58.079 like everybody does now. But I got a pretty early 670 00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:03.800 training in ray key under Joanna Crespo at the Open 671 00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:07.480 Center in New York City, probably over ten years ago now, 672 00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:08.599 and she's fantastic. 673 00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:09.360 Uh. 674 00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:12.079 And then yeah, that's that was right before I started 675 00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:17.239 school for acupuncture and studying privately for chigong and martial arts. 676 00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:23.239 But that whole thing was about it's the way that 677 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:29.519 it's distilled now because this the Meridian theory, Dallist philosophy, Bagua, 678 00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:33.480 martial arts, it's all part of this holistic philosophy. But 679 00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:37.000 because and Bettebel talks about this a lot, there's there 680 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:41.920 are traditions of indigenous magic, which is I mean unbelievable, 681 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:46.519 unbelievable forms of magic. But the way that we really 682 00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:48.920 inherit this stuff in the West is for health purposes. 683 00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:49.280 Right. 684 00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:51.400 You go to school for acupuncture and you just so 685 00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:54.280 happen to learn qigong. Chigong is also what they call, 686 00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:56.119 you know, the fountain of life in terms or the 687 00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:59.079 fountain of youth in terms of you know, these these 688 00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:02.320 esoteric entergy work. So there's there's a strong emphasis in 689 00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:04.960 this in health of the body, health of the mind, 690 00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:07.679 health of the emotions, health of the soul and spirit, 691 00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:11.239 and certainly the energetic body is not always healthy. 692 00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:11.920 Right. 693 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.079 I mean, I teach people in this book and so far, 694 00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:16.599 I mean I've had an outstanding track record because I've 695 00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:18.880 I've been all over the country. I've been to London, 696 00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:23.679 I've been to California. I've been doing workshops out of 697 00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:26.280 this book and teaching people, and it's I've done it 698 00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:31.280 in Egypt. It's amazing to see someone's reaction the first 699 00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:34.000 time that they see their energetic body, you know, the 700 00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:37.639 the the you know, like, oh my god, it's real, 701 00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:40.960 sot sort of thing and look around like, uh, can 702 00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:43.960 you see that? So but but you can see this stuff, 703 00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:47.360 and I do. There there is a it's it's not 704 00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:53.480 imaginable there, there is an actual component of lights to this, 705 00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:57.880 a radiant luminosity, and so you know, having worked on 706 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:01.840 this for for over a decade now, it's it's you know, 707 00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:05.760 I'm able to see it pretty pretty immediately. You always 708 00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:09.239 see pictures of people's auras, right, and how it's like 709 00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:12.719 avoid egg shaped. I've probably seen two people in my 710 00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:20.280 entire life that have a completely like fully developed, bounded 711 00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:25.519 symmetrical aura. It's normally like it's patchy, it's splotchy, there 712 00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:26.440 are holes. 713 00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:26.960 You know. 714 00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:31.559 And and so that is a big part of chigung 715 00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:34.840 and in the and this is the last piece I'll 716 00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:38.320 end on. In the Western tradition, particularly the Hellenistic tradition, 717 00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:42.320 the tradition of of of Greco, Roman Egypt, and that 718 00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:47.000 whole swathe. Their entire brand of theorgy, right, which is 719 00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:51.199 magic applied to the development of the soul. Their entire 720 00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:57.199 project was to perfect the luminous body, make it spherical, 721 00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.679 make it whole, make it strong. So we do have 722 00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:04.880 a tradition of this in the in the West, it's 723 00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:09.960 just that you know, again, our textual basis is, i 724 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:13.559 would say, specifically regarding the luminous body as fairly sparse 725 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:19.000 and fragmentary. And there hasn't been a consistent tradition to 726 00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:21.519 key right. That's that's the whole interesting thing about Woosho 727 00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:25.920 is that it's built to to to transmit and preserve 728 00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:27.199 forms like we don't. 729 00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:28.280 We don't have that, you know. 730 00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:30.519 The golden tawn is the closest thing we have to 731 00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:32.679 It doesn't go all the way back, you know, it 732 00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:34.000 goes back to eighteen eighty eight. 733 00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:35.360 Uh so. 734 00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:40.679 Yeah, so, so that health component applies across the spectrum, 735 00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:43.239 and the book has has plenty of that as regards 736 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:47.159 the the you know, the the etheric field and the 737 00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:49.360 personal etheric body of the practitioner. 738 00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:50.880 Yeah. 739 00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:52.639 I then have a question, what do you have you 740 00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:55.719 heard Damian Knuckles talk about because I listened to a 741 00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:58.760 lot of his podcasts for a while, But he spoke 742 00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:01.840 about how the oor around the body when what we're 743 00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:05.719 trying to do when perfected, obviously a tough word is 744 00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.280 it's the concentric circles of the great chain of being. 745 00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:10.480 That image from way back in the day, back in 746 00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:12.639 the ancient texts, you know, which when I'm talking about 747 00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:15.159 I can't. But anyway, what do you think about that? 748 00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:16.519 For what he was saying about that. 749 00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:19.719 Yeah, I mean Damien's on point, man, because he lives 750 00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:23.280 it too. I talked Damien regularly. He actually was he 751 00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:27.719 he was one of the first people to really give 752 00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:30.440 my book props and and kind of talk about it 753 00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:33.400 for his audience and stuff, and so we were going 754 00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:37.119 back and forth on that for a little while. And Jamien, 755 00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:39.960 you know, he really knows his stuff because he's somebody 756 00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:45.800 I think we're very akin in in one very specific 757 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:48.159 way is that like whatever we do, we're going to 758 00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:51.360 do it to death, and like it's all about immersion 759 00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:53.599 and it's all about living it. I do not want 760 00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:56.880 to come on here and talk and say all these 761 00:42:56.920 --> 00:42:59.920 fancy words if I can't actually do this shit. And 762 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.000 very much so he's like that, so he definitely knows 763 00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:07.960 what he's talking about. Now. Currently, I'm working on a system. 764 00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:11.320 I'm working on a on a follow up, a sequel 765 00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:16.000 to Etheric Magic. It's called the title is tentatively called 766 00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:18.840 the Luminous Body, and it's going to get into the 767 00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:24.679 more advanced and esoteric practices. Etheric Magic was an introduction 768 00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:27.360 to get people working, and you have every tool in 769 00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:30.440 that book to develop your skill to the point where 770 00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:33.199 you'd be ready for this this this second installment. But 771 00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:37.199 I'm I'm working on a system that utilizes those concentric 772 00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:41.199 spheres instead of say something like the catalistic tree of life, 773 00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:44.400 which that's what I had to use for the first book, 774 00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:47.000 because that's what a lot of Western magicians. Now, I 775 00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:50.480 use the verbiage of alchemy and the and the tree 776 00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:52.480 of life, and we can, you know, if we have time, 777 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:54.880 we can get into that tonight too, and give people 778 00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:57.320 a little bit of an overview of the the nuts 779 00:43:57.360 --> 00:43:57.800 and bolts. 780 00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:00.760 Nice. Nice. One thing I did want to ask that 781 00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:03.079 I noticed one thing I may oh, go ahead, go ahead, 782 00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:03.559 go ahead. 783 00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:06.960 I'm gonna say one thing I want to add here. 784 00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:09.719 Like a lot of points make good points, but one 785 00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:13.360 thing maybe nic to see as well as Again, we 786 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:16.320 are always talking about the body itself, right, like all 787 00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:18.840 the magic, all everything is like from the inside, not 788 00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:21.519 necessarily the physical body, it can be as well, but 789 00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:25.599 the actual body. And it's interesting to see. For example, 790 00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:29.159 when you go into uh you were talking about Kardak 791 00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:33.199 from Mesmer, like Kardak and so on. In spiritism, they're 792 00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:35.719 going to talk about ectoplasm. So again this idea that 793 00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.960 you kind of have this energy that the people from 794 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:41.199 the outside, you know, the spirits or whatever, they need 795 00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:44.639 this ectoplasm to do stuff here, to like do the 796 00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:46.880 pultry guys stuff or two even like interact and to 797 00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:49.440 kind of keep your ravagants. One then you go into 798 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:53.760 the Alaska traditions, and well, first of all, it's funny 799 00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:56.000 you were talking about star wars. They call it the strength. 800 00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:59.360 In Aluaska they call the state that you get the 801 00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:03.119 strength like in Portees Forsa. So again that's very funny already. 802 00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:06.480 But they also say because it kind of relates, at 803 00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:08.920 least nowadays with a bit of like umbanda and this 804 00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:11.920 kind of things. They always talk about like opening paths. 805 00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:15.920 So opening paths, opening paths. And I was in a 806 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:20.280 session like a ritual these these past days, and I 807 00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:23.039 had this in my mind that where we're talking about paths, 808 00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:25.760 like literal paths in the body, like we're literally talking 809 00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:29.639 about the endctrine system in the body. That's what's being opened. 810 00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:32.480 It's not some mystical you know, some some doors like 811 00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:35.719 that's literally it, or like the neuropaths in the brain, 812 00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.239 and so and so again. So I was talking about 813 00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:40.400 this energy of the of the body. And you can 814 00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:44.440 feel with the when you are in the in the state, 815 00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:47.119 let's say, of the ententogen you can literally you can 816 00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:49.079 feel it's kind of like a kickstart, right. You can 817 00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:52.119 obviously do it with all the practices like what probably 818 00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:55.679 there's all over like book, but with the thing, you 819 00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:57.679 just have like a kickstart and you are able to 820 00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:00.559 see it, to feel it to whatever, and it's just 821 00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:03.119 as amazing as as it can get you know, the 822 00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:08.239 understanding this and understanding that. Again it's all already within inside, 823 00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:10.880 and then you the more you get coherence into what 824 00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:15.440 you are imagining, feeling, thinking and doing, then the emotions. 825 00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:18.360 The more things realize, the more things work. And it's 826 00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:20.480 getting like faster and faster. The only two guys to 827 00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:22.719 like that as well. But I've been hearing with like 828 00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:26.239 fears and just like fearing out by paying intention to 829 00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:28.519 my own stuff. It's getting faster and fast. Like you 830 00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:30.760 imagine something, you think about it, you have the feeling boom, 831 00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:35.199 it happens like it's next day, things turning hoadays what 832 00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:37.199 maybe it used to take a couple of weeks months, 833 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:39.400 and it's again you've got to take control of the thing. 834 00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:42.639 You gotta understand what you're doing, otherwise you may go everywhere. 835 00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:46.280 So yeah, and it's the So the way that I 836 00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:48.039 like to talk about it is in terms of like 837 00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:50.760 that the double sided coin sort of thing, where the 838 00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:54.519 physical opening of the pathways let's say like something like 839 00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:57.559 the limbic system or you know, the all of the 840 00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:02.519 endercurrent system. There's certainly that happening, I would say, also, 841 00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:09.960 though it's there's no there is no physical cause without 842 00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:15.039 a spiritual effect, a metaphysical effect, and vice versa. So 843 00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:20.039 when you are entering these spaces, I it certainly is 844 00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:24.559 with within. Do I think that it is within the 845 00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:28.800 physical organ of the brain. Absolutely not. I think it 846 00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:34.960 is within the personal meso cosm or microcosm. A meso 847 00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.880 cosm is I am the I am the mediator between 848 00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:40.599 Heaven and Earth. I am the middle cosmos. You know, 849 00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:43.880 this is this is big in in in that there 850 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:47.639 are there are you know, chiegung movements of uniting Heaven 851 00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:50.400 and Earth, and there's a lot of that talk of 852 00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:53.000 of of you know, the station of the human being 853 00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:56.719 is the bridge between those worlds. And and that is 854 00:47:56.800 --> 00:48:01.159 our interface, is our nervous system, is our indecrine system. 855 00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:03.400 Is it's everything we have. It's the physical body, it's 856 00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:08.280 the emotions, it's the energetic body. It's so as you're saying, 857 00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:10.920 you talk about it in terms of coherence, that's really 858 00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:14.199 what's happening, is that everything is kicking in and working 859 00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:18.840 in in in synchrony. Whereas you in our modern world, 860 00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:22.440 that's it's a very challenging thing to have happened without 861 00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.119 you putting immense amounts of effort into it, but so 862 00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:29.079 many things that are that are taking you, you know, 863 00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:32.840 your attention, your focus, your connection to your body, and 864 00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:36.280 trying to rip all those things apart, separate them, sever them. 865 00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:38.880 And this is this is a movement towards the center. 866 00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:40.840 It's almost you can think of it like a planet 867 00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:44.440 that has exploded. Okay, now you your job, as the 868 00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:48.800 exploded planet is somehow to generate that central force of 869 00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:52.920 gravity that pulls all the pieces back together and heals 870 00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:56.960 what was formerly whole and is now you know, diffuse 871 00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:00.320 and and and and disparate. So but I think that 872 00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:08.320 that's a really good point, Matt, because I get the question, well, 873 00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:10.280 what is it doing the met Well, for for me, 874 00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:12.320 it's you know, somebody will come to me that does 875 00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.000 like goetic magic or some kind of you know, let's 876 00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.960 say magic of the PGM solomonic to say, well, no, 877 00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:21.280 the spirits, I don't consecrate a talis, then the spirit's 878 00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:24.920 consecrated for me. And so then it's like, yeah, well, okay, 879 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:28.480 so you're working on an exogynous level, which is fine 880 00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:32.039 because that's how you're interacting with the phenomena around you. 881 00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:38.519 But that doesn't mean that that you know, the energy 882 00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:44.039 that you're working with is not the operative mechanism, because 883 00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:47.360 at the end of the day, think of this, when 884 00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:51.480 a spirit comes, right, spirit comes and to consecrate your 885 00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:53.360 talisman or to make a pact with you or something, 886 00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:56.199 does it open up the door and walk in and 887 00:49:56.360 --> 00:49:59.159 sit itself down and shake your hand the way I 888 00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:01.519 would if I or if you you came into my 889 00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:03.360 library and I sat you know, No, that's not how 890 00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:07.440 that happens. How it happens is by various methods. You 891 00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:10.320 can see the mind of the eye can project something 892 00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:15.880 into the room. You could use fluid condensers, mirrors, incense, smoke, 893 00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:18.559 there can be all sorts of tells and things like that. 894 00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:23.280 But at the end of the day, you are using 895 00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:27.920 what the great you know, teacher, and and I would 896 00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:30.800 I would call this guy a you know, an ultimate magician. 897 00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:36.840 David Rankin he uses the term gateway image. You're creating 898 00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.440 a gateway image that that that so that you can 899 00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:44.679 interact with what is in a disembodied intelligence, which is 900 00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:48.679 another way of saying energy. Right, if nothing were left 901 00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:51.719 of me but my consciousness, that's still a form of 902 00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:55.280 energy that can't be destroyed, can only be transformed. So 903 00:50:55.639 --> 00:50:59.079 so this is this where we are working with intelligent energies. 904 00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:02.320 We are working with there is an exogynous and an 905 00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:06.559 endogenous component to it. The key is you have to 906 00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:10.840 be that mediator you have. That's the whole point this 907 00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:14.519 shit is to get you to train to be the mediator. 908 00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:17.960 And you know, do you have to buy theory magic 909 00:51:18.039 --> 00:51:18.760 in order to do that? 910 00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:19.320 No? 911 00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:22.079 Do you have to get initiated by the Golden Dawn 912 00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:22.480 to do that? 913 00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:22.719 No? 914 00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:25.519 But there I would say that you need some kind 915 00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:28.159 of system. You know, you need somebody to teach you 916 00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:30.519 a system. Yeah. 917 00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:32.880 Nice. And what's fascinating is when you say that, I know, 918 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:36.440 Heideger hostoral. These phenomenologists probably would have never thought that 919 00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:38.920 this conversation would be happening. But it's one of those 920 00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:42.960 things where it's like, that is the phenomenological experience instead 921 00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:48.199 of the cartesian, mechanistic, functionalistic postmodern nonsense which we've fallen into. 922 00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:52.440 And so the consciousness and tending it upon itself, which 923 00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:54.400 is fascinating in and of itself. 924 00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:56.800 Yeah, I'm one of the things that I had to do. 925 00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:02.239 I gave this talk to know at Watkins in London. 926 00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:04.920 So obviously there's gonna be a lot of magicians there, 927 00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:06.880 people that are flu into this stuff. But I also 928 00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:10.519 gave it a like philosophical research society, which is it's 929 00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:13.440 not you know, that's it's you don't know who you're 930 00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:16.440 gonna get in in in that, but it's that's not 931 00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:19.639 just a disparaging remark, but there's not a lot of 932 00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:22.440 magicians out in that neck of the woods that are 933 00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:26.119 that aren't you know, associated with other things like music 934 00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:30.639 and modern like you're saying, Cartesian rooted philosophy. So then 935 00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:33.199 how do you explain magic to them? And so, you know, 936 00:52:33.320 --> 00:52:37.159 there's obviously right Crowley's definition, which is a classic which 937 00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.360 he derived from some of the early founders of the 938 00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:42.760 Golden Dawn Dionfortune took it and you know, causing change 939 00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:46.800 to occur in conformity with the will. Yes, absolutely, but 940 00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:50.559 that's anything. And Crowley addresses that, you know, he says, 941 00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:54.079 like everything is ultimately an act of magic. Yes, but 942 00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:56.719 is that what we're really talking about when we're talking 943 00:52:56.760 --> 00:52:57.880 about magic. 944 00:52:58.760 --> 00:52:58.800 No? 945 00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:00.400 Uh So I. 946 00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:04.079 Found a way to define it that I'm going to 947 00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:06.239 just throw out there to you guys, and you could, 948 00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:08.639 you know, toss it in the trash or throw it. 949 00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:09.280 Back at me. 950 00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:13.119 But for the purposes of explaining to these audiences what 951 00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:16.039 I meant by magic, As I I said, it's where 952 00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:23.280 the phenomenology of consciousness and metaphysical causality intersect. It's where 953 00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:27.639 your your mind, your consciousness, and metaphysical causality, you are 954 00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:31.679 causing things to happen. Not because I went to the 955 00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:34.800 fountain and poured myself a drink of water. That's that's 956 00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:37.559 not how magic works. There is no This is why 957 00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:42.280 it's called a cultum. Occultum vertutais is the Latin that 958 00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:47.199 a grip of used occultum related to oculus in the eye, 959 00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:51.199 occultum hidden from the site, qualities that are hidden from 960 00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:57.280 the site. Because this causality is nonlinear, it's metaphysical, it's 961 00:53:57.360 --> 00:53:59.880 not physical. You can't see why it happens. You will 962 00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:04.039 definitely see the delivery mechanism. But the fact that I 963 00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:07.760 did a Venusian ritual and then got a date later 964 00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:12.239 that day, you know, it's you know, it's like, come on, 965 00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:16.280 come on, some of these things defy statistical probability, you know. 966 00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:22.400 So I actually have a legit question for Ike. But 967 00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:24.559 first let me give him a little shit because when 968 00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:27.639 David Rankin came on. I asked him the exact same 969 00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:29.480 question I asked you, like the first time you came 970 00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:32.280 on about how to reconcile the outer three planets with 971 00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:35.760 Rahukatu as well as on the Kabalistic tree for Ketter, 972 00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:40.000 Hookema and DApp And he was actually very not only 973 00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:43.039 comfortable with my attributions, he was he actually used them. 974 00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:45.239 So I just want to say that, I just want 975 00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:47.679 to say that it wasn't just me coming up with that, 976 00:54:48.039 --> 00:54:50.480 but anyways, Okay, no, I mean no respect. 977 00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:51.960 I hope you didn't think I was giving you shit 978 00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:52.239 for it. 979 00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:52.679 I don't know. 980 00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:55.719 I can't help don't work in that milieu. 981 00:54:56.400 --> 00:54:57.599 One hundred percent, understand. 982 00:54:57.679 --> 00:54:59.920 I just wanted to say that since you brought up David, 983 00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:02.960 I also respect him very greatly, and I think he 984 00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:04.039 is a master magician. 985 00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:06.400 And I just I just I gave him the same thing. 986 00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:08.239 I didn't. I didn't hold back. I just want to 987 00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:11.119 say that, so well, David, did I respect you as much? 988 00:55:11.199 --> 00:55:12.039 I respect you as much. 989 00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:14.519 I just say David is a man who is first 990 00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:18.039 of all, brilliant, and he's also I would consider David 991 00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:20.199 an extremely well educated and cultured man. 992 00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:28.199 So you know, I am not those things, but I 993 00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:30.719 do want to ask you about something I really don't 994 00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:34.639 know anything about, which is the Egyptian sort of soul complexes. 995 00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:36.440 I know you have a whole section in the book 996 00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:40.400 about kW soul. I don't know anything like zero percent, 997 00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:43.199 So anything you say will be completely new to me. 998 00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:46.039 I'm sure new for a lot of people listening as well. 999 00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:47.719 So if you just want to like give like a 1000 00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:51.840 brief overview of what sort of the conceptualizations of those 1001 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:56.000 things are and maybe even for like my monkey brain level, 1002 00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:58.199 if you could. But I'll take a little I'll take 1003 00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:00.679 intermediate as well. But I mean, I'm I'm just saying 1004 00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:02.559 that I don't know anything about it. I can sew 1005 00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:05.519 anything you say will be sort of first time and 1006 00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:07.880 also in lightning cool. 1007 00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:09.880 Then I can bullshit you now I'm kim joking. 1008 00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:14.280 Uh I. 1009 00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:19.639 So there were there were at least at least nine 1010 00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:22.719 parts of the self. Not all of them were the soul, 1011 00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:27.639 but nine parts of the totality, the holistic totality, the organism, 1012 00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:31.159 at least at a minimum in the ancient Egyptian system. 1013 00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:36.400 We get this from various texts and the way that 1014 00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:40.119 they describe, uh, the really the funerary texts and the 1015 00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:43.000 way that they described the dissolution of of the whole, 1016 00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:48.159 the the the body, the shadow, even your shadow leaves 1017 00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:52.360 like in Peter Pan. So it's it's it's quite interesting. 1018 00:56:54.760 --> 00:57:04.159 So the parts that are most relevant two the discussion 1019 00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:06.800 of etheric magic, because I list the nine and I 1020 00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:11.320 give their definitions in the book. The ones that are 1021 00:57:11.519 --> 00:57:14.639 the most relevant for etheric magic, I would say are 1022 00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:19.960 the Ba and the Ka, and these are respectively, the soul, right, 1023 00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:23.519 the soul is the Ba and the Ka is the double. 1024 00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:28.519 It's it's the uh what they were conceiving of as 1025 00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:35.119 as kind of a wraith, a ghost of specifically Pharaoh. 1026 00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:37.960 He was the only one who was thought to in 1027 00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:41.360 the in the early kingdom, you know the they, uh, 1028 00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:45.079 they didn't think it wasn't until you get the Coffin texts, 1029 00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:49.239 which I think is the second intermediate period that there's 1030 00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:53.119 this democratization of like, okay, everyone gets to live in eternity. 1031 00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:53.639 You know. 1032 00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:57.480 It's they thought it was just the Pharaoh for thousands 1033 00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:01.679 of years, so the whole whole project was okay, when 1034 00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:05.800 Pharaoh's body dies, and that's effectively the anchor point that's 1035 00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:10.760 holding all this shit together. When that dissolves, everything's going 1036 00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:13.559 to get released. How do we guide that stuff? What 1037 00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:17.519 do we do with that stuff to help him reach eternity? 1038 00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:24.000 And the ba was conceived of as a bird, a 1039 00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:27.960 hawk or a falcon really, with the head of whoever 1040 00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:31.159 had died, the facial features the head of whoever had died, 1041 00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:35.559 and it could you know, soar aloft, which is a 1042 00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:38.119 way of saying that. First of all, you know, it's 1043 00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:40.280 the same thing in terms of like astral travel, the 1044 00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:42.360 soul can leave and come back to the body, so 1045 00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:44.480 on and so forth. But it's a way of talking 1046 00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:48.360 about that. What I would say the inherent nature of 1047 00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:51.320 levity in the soul, the soul being able to rise 1048 00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:56.519 after death, whereas the energetic body not necessarily it needs 1049 00:58:56.599 --> 00:58:59.199 to be. There are requirements to keep that thing going. 1050 00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:03.119 Now for people that have you know, sometimes I'll get shipped, 1051 00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:05.360 and rightfully so, people will say, well, the term soul 1052 00:59:05.480 --> 00:59:07.800 is not well defined. I'm going to define the term 1053 00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:10.760 soul for you. According to the Hellenistic tradition, the Greco 1054 00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:13.920 Roman Egyptian tradition, the ancients of the world would have 1055 00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:19.760 meant the totality of your interior experience is your soul. 1056 00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:26.280 Your thoughts, your emotions, your ideas, your fears, your subtle image, 1057 00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:30.079 your personal available imagery, your memories, all of that is 1058 00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:32.199 a part of your soul, which is why in Greek 1059 00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:35.840 the word for soul is seek right, and that's the 1060 00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:40.599 root of the word psychology. But they believed that all 1061 00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:45.079 that continued on after the body died. That was virtually 1062 00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:48.920 the only difference between our modern psychology and the soul 1063 00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:56.079 in a lot of ways. So really the ca was 1064 00:59:57.280 --> 01:00:02.480 how I introduced this idea. This has to do with 1065 01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:05.639 what Matt was saying, kind of like about ectoplasm. So 1066 01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:08.039 the whole premise of etheric magic is not so much. Oh, 1067 01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:11.199 I wanted to do an energy system. I wanted to 1068 01:00:11.239 --> 01:00:15.199 make somebody. We already have it, but most magicians don't 1069 01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:17.760 know that we're using it. You know, when you do 1070 01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:20.280 something in the Golden Dawn or and I'm sure it's 1071 01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:23.320 similar in the AA and OTO versions, you do the 1072 01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:30.400 projection signs, you know you're you're moving energy towards something. 1073 01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:33.760 There's a reason why when you consecrate a talisman, whether 1074 01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:36.000 that be a ring or something you place your hand 1075 01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:40.599 over it. Okay, it's you're why you're projecting something outside 1076 01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:44.760 of you, outside of your body, you are able to 1077 01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:47.719 that's once you've linked that up and you learn how 1078 01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:50.519 to intelligently use it, you can extract it the way 1079 01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:53.480 Matt was talking about, how these spirits need to borrow 1080 01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:56.679 the ectoplasm, to borrow the ether from other people in 1081 01:00:56.800 --> 01:00:58.679 order to manifest. This is a huge part of like 1082 01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:02.079 the theory of seances, which were the table turning events 1083 01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:05.239 that were, like, you know, everybody was freaking out about 1084 01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:07.800 trying to explain with kilner screens and all sorts of 1085 01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:08.639 wacky shit. 1086 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:08.960 But. 1087 01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:14.320 This is effectively what we do in magic when we consecrate, 1088 01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:19.280 you know. And the word spirit speedyoose in Latin, it 1089 01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:24.760 means the same thing as benevma or numa in Greek, 1090 01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:28.559 or prana or chi or rua, and it means that 1091 01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:34.679 that same thing. So again there's that spirit versus energy connection. Now, 1092 01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:40.239 there's a scholar that I referenced in the book and 1093 01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:43.599 she did some research, and I have the citation in 1094 01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:45.599 there for anybody that wants to take a look at it. 1095 01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:48.639 I'm not going to tell you the name because I 1096 01:01:48.760 --> 01:01:52.679 want you to buy the book, go check it out. 1097 01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:55.920 She has a bit of research talking about how this 1098 01:01:56.199 --> 01:02:00.880 term Heca, the Egyptian word for magic, the Egyptian god 1099 01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:05.960 of magic, Heckca, is related to the term ka, this energy, 1100 01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:10.599 this this sort of wraithy double and how the the 1101 01:02:11.159 --> 01:02:15.320 the word heca can be translated as using the ka, 1102 01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:19.800 so using the car. Right when we talk about how alphas, 1103 01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:23.679 Levy was talking about how the asualt is the magical agent, 1104 01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:28.239 it's what accomplishes the magic. We talk about talismanic consecration. 1105 01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:33.400 You're sending the energy. Uh, this kind of stuff. Well, uh, 1106 01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:36.679 there there's some evidence, scholarly evidence to support that this 1107 01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:40.639 was also uh in a different way. I wouldn't say rudimentary, 1108 01:02:41.320 --> 01:02:43.880 but I would say in a different way of conceiving 1109 01:02:43.960 --> 01:02:46.559 of it than than we might but very similar in 1110 01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:50.039 the ancient Egyptian and Hellenistic period as well. This this 1111 01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:54.840 idea of Hekka using the ka, using that that that uh, 1112 01:02:55.519 --> 01:02:59.360 the what we understand now as the energetic body, that 1113 01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:06.840 that remains when the soul leaves. Now, what do they 1114 01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:09.280 do with the comp They put it in a statue 1115 01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:15.000 and they fed it. What did I say before? When 1116 01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:18.199 you can see this stuff. It's not imaginary. There is 1117 01:03:18.440 --> 01:03:22.159 a very subtle physical component. We can't fully define it, 1118 01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:28.519 but there is a physicality to it. So, particularly in 1119 01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:31.119 the work at John Michael Greer. It's a funny title, 1120 01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:34.760 and John's a lovely man, but the book Monsters is 1121 01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:40.039 infucking dispensable to anybody that wants to learn about this stuff. 1122 01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:43.679 He talks about all of this stuff, the ancient traditions 1123 01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:48.760 of the Chinese, traditions of hungry ghosts, the idea, the 1124 01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:52.559 rudimentary ideas, the roots of where the concepts of vampirism 1125 01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:56.320 zombies come from. It all has to do with this 1126 01:03:56.519 --> 01:04:00.880 etheric ca, this double this race like thing that then 1127 01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:04.719 needs to feed to stay alive because it's associated with 1128 01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:07.239 the physical body. This is what they call it. And 1129 01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:11.239 the more that thing is hungry and wants to stay 1130 01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:14.239 alive after the soul leaves and the body dies, the 1131 01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:18.679 more intrusive and intense its presence can be. 1132 01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:20.280 And so. 1133 01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:23.800 For the Pharaoh, they put it in a statue and 1134 01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:26.599 they fed it and they treated it with royalty like 1135 01:04:27.159 --> 01:04:33.599 royalty to keep his ca alive. Now, in magic, you know, 1136 01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:35.760 that's not what I'm teaching people to do. That form 1137 01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:39.719 of strange, you know, raith necromancy. It's just more so 1138 01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:44.079 while you are alive, you learning how to use that 1139 01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:48.880 etheric energy in magic, which means too. There's three phases. 1140 01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:52.800 The first is to link. You must link it. You'd 1141 01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:55.360 link with it, link your conscious mind to it, because 1142 01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:58.480 until you've done that, it's completely latent and it's constantly 1143 01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:02.840 receiving impressions, so you are much more impressionable. Before you 1144 01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:05.519 link your you will have thoughts that you thought were yours. 1145 01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:08.719 You know, you will be very, very susceptible to influence 1146 01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:13.639 and manipulation. This is what they call personal magnetism, right 1147 01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:17.079 when when somebody can manipulate and influence they call that 1148 01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:22.440 personal magnetism. It's not because people are magnetized to them. 1149 01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:25.960 It comes from the idea of animal magnetism that you 1150 01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:31.679 can exert that force over somebody and render them latent, receptive. 1151 01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:35.480 So the first precaution, the first hygienic measure, is to 1152 01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:38.360 link your mind to your etheric body. How do you 1153 01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:40.840 do that? Well, I teach you. The first thing you 1154 01:05:40.920 --> 01:05:43.039 have to do is learn to see it and feel it, 1155 01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:48.480 And I give exercises and texts and all of that 1156 01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:57.400 kind of stuff for not just the visual component, but 1157 01:05:57.599 --> 01:06:00.599 the tactile component of being able to sense and feel it. 1158 01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:03.519 And again, I've done this in workshops and I'm astounded 1159 01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:06.800 at how successful it's been in person with with groups 1160 01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:11.239 of people I've never met before. So uh, then the 1161 01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:17.079 second part is to to to move and cultivate. That's 1162 01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:20.320 just that's chigung, right, is the cultivation of chi in 1163 01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:23.440 the certain centers of the body. Now in in Chinese 1164 01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:26.719 medicine and dallas Uh, you know energy theory, you have 1165 01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:30.880 three main centers, the dantien, and they correspond to the 1166 01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:35.480 cavities of your body. Okay, low dantien down here, the 1167 01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:39.760 middle danteen. We also call these the sanjao, the triple burners. 1168 01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:40.440 Uh. 1169 01:06:40.519 --> 01:06:44.079 These are called the horrors, the the diamonds in in 1170 01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:48.639 or the horrors in in reiki in the Japanese energy system. 1171 01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:52.199 So what do I correspond those three two salt, sulfur 1172 01:06:52.280 --> 01:06:56.960 and mercury. We're doing alchemy. Okay, the the the the 1173 01:06:57.039 --> 01:06:59.920 sulfur component is in the upper dantia. 1174 01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:00.800 Uh. 1175 01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:03.320 The salt obviously is in the low danti en. That's 1176 01:07:03.400 --> 01:07:06.440 called the the cauldron of elixir. That's where all your 1177 01:07:06.559 --> 01:07:11.320 vitality in life is longevity those things. There's a point 1178 01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:16.199 on the back. I think it's ming men. Ming men, Yeah, 1179 01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:18.880 ming men. I think it's do four and it's they 1180 01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:21.960 gets right between the adrenals and slightly lower on the spine, 1181 01:07:21.960 --> 01:07:25.039 and it's the ming men translates to a gait of 1182 01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:28.280 the fire of life. So there's there's the salt, and 1183 01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:31.639 then there's the mercury component. Why is mercury in the middle. 1184 01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:34.679 A lot of westernso terroists are gonna be confused. Mercury 1185 01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:37.360 is the consciousness in language like, oh, sit down for 1186 01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:44.840 a second. Mercury is the mediator. Mercury is the medial point, okay, 1187 01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:47.800 and we are always no matter what we're leading with. 1188 01:07:48.199 --> 01:07:50.360 Even in Western magic, what do you do when you 1189 01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:52.639 when you do the middle pillar, or when you do 1190 01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:54.840 God form work, or when you work the tree of 1191 01:07:54.920 --> 01:07:58.440 life in the Sirri sensation, you always center the last 1192 01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:01.119 thing you do, you center that energy into farith. It 1193 01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:04.239 has to end here because this is the medial space, 1194 01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:08.280 and this is how to live heart heart forward. And 1195 01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:12.519 you know they say in Chinese medicine, the shen lives 1196 01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:15.400 in the heart, the spirit of the person lives in 1197 01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:17.479 the heart. It resides in the heart. You can see 1198 01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:20.319 it in their eyes. The shen is visible through there. 1199 01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:22.880 The quality of their spirit is visible in their eyes, 1200 01:08:22.920 --> 01:08:26.000 but it resides in the heart. So I conceive of 1201 01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:31.880 effectively the cultivation, the movement and cultivation of this energy 1202 01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:40.039 in these three main middle pillar power points. And then 1203 01:08:40.119 --> 01:08:42.359 on top of that, I do use the tree of 1204 01:08:42.439 --> 01:08:44.800 life in the sphere of sensation and be why because 1205 01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:48.199 it's readily available, ready made. People know this stuff. It's great, 1206 01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:50.960 it works well, it's easy to use. As the time tested, 1207 01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:53.840 we're moving and storing the energy and building it up 1208 01:08:54.119 --> 01:08:56.840 based on those things. And then finally the last piece 1209 01:08:56.920 --> 01:08:59.640 is to project it. So you've linked up, you've learned 1210 01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:02.279 how to of it, you've cultivated it in your spirit sensation. 1211 01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:05.279 Now you've got to learn how to use this for magic. 1212 01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:07.479 And that's probably like the last third of the book. 1213 01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:13.760 Yeah, that's that's actually fascinating, that whole connection to then 1214 01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:17.159 how you're how like you teach, how I teach taichi 1215 01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:20.640 chigung and all these different integrations of things, Because the 1216 01:09:20.720 --> 01:09:24.199 last is understanding when somebody's coming up against you, how 1217 01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:27.960 to use everything you just said to then move somebody, 1218 01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:30.079 because taichi is not just the internal art, it's also 1219 01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:33.520 the external warrior thing where when yoused properly, you can 1220 01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:35.760 be just you could be a badass wrestler at the 1221 01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:39.319 same way, because if you can't be moved from your foundation, 1222 01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:42.359 because all those things are now linked up into that 1223 01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:45.840 lower foundational Dantean it's great nice. 1224 01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:48.960 Yeah, yeah, but I'm pretty sure they call that rooting, right, 1225 01:09:49.079 --> 01:09:52.720 part of that rooting, part of rooting, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1226 01:09:52.760 --> 01:09:54.720 I mean it's there's so much that can be done. 1227 01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:56.479 You want to work on vision work, you want to 1228 01:09:56.520 --> 01:10:00.479 work on memory work, you want to work on U power. 1229 01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:03.039 You work with the sulfur center, you know, but you're 1230 01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:05.239 at the end. You want to work on physical health, 1231 01:10:05.479 --> 01:10:09.479 energy longevity. You work with the salt center. You're always 1232 01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:12.760 centering everything in the middle, right, because mercury is the androgene. 1233 01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:17.520 Mercury can it has both sulfur and salt in it. 1234 01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:21.279 That's what make it. That's mercury is the combination. It's 1235 01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:24.439 like for anybody that play that plays music. If I 1236 01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:27.439 were just to play, let's say on a guitar, you know, 1237 01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:30.640 I play a root in a fifth, just two notes 1238 01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:33.479 and I pluck them together. Those two notes are gonna 1239 01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:36.199 sound and their vibrations are going to create what we 1240 01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:38.319 call an overtone, a third note that I didn't play. 1241 01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:43.000 I did not play that, but it emerges from the 1242 01:10:43.079 --> 01:10:45.319 blending of the two notes I did play. It's the 1243 01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:48.880 same thing with mercury. Mercury is both, so it can 1244 01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:50.760 be more of one more of the other. But his 1245 01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:54.399 main job is to be centered and to contain both 1246 01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:59.960 and equalize them, equilibrate them. So yeah, there's a lot. 1247 01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:03.640 There's a lot of that. There's rooting, there's I use it, 1248 01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:05.720 you know. I have postures that we use for scrying. 1249 01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:06.479 Uh. 1250 01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:09.359 It's it's pretty it's pretty intense. Thing is though, I 1251 01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:11.239 do want to give credit where credit is due. 1252 01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:12.319 I would. 1253 01:11:12.319 --> 01:11:15.199 They really pushed me. My editor, Heather Green at lleu 1254 01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:19.720 Ellen was fantastic, and she really pushed me after the 1255 01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:23.840 first read of the book to to give give everything 1256 01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:27.239 I got, GIVEU put it all down, give us more, 1257 01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:29.439 give us more, you know, because you're always a little hesitant, 1258 01:11:29.479 --> 01:11:32.079 do I should there be something for me like that? 1259 01:11:32.159 --> 01:11:32.479 I don't. 1260 01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:34.199 But at the end of the day, you know, if 1261 01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:36.039 you're going to do something like this and you're going 1262 01:11:36.079 --> 01:11:38.439 to offer this to the world. You got to just 1263 01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:39.359 go the full monty. 1264 01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:41.119 But and on that. 1265 01:11:41.239 --> 01:11:43.279 I know I'm dragging on a little bit here, But 1266 01:11:43.359 --> 01:11:45.319 there is a funny story that I really want to tell, 1267 01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:47.439 if you'll, if you'll, let me tell about how how 1268 01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:48.800 how this book came about. 1269 01:11:50.199 --> 01:11:51.479 Yeah, sure. 1270 01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:53.000 So. 1271 01:11:53.439 --> 01:11:53.560 Uh. 1272 01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:58.760 In twenty twenty three, Evo Dominguez Junior invited me to 1273 01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:04.039 uh the Sacred Space between the World Conference, which is Maryland. Okay, 1274 01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:06.560 I'm speaking there again this year and this month. Actually, 1275 01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:09.039 oh wow, a good thing. I reminded myself that I 1276 01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:12.520 gotta prepare, but I'm going there in like fourteen days. 1277 01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:15.600 But I went in twenty twenty three, and he only 1278 01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:17.920 gave me a handful of days notice. He's like, look, 1279 01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:20.520 I know this is short notice, but come on up 1280 01:12:21.359 --> 01:12:22.760 if you can make it. So I had to ask 1281 01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:26.800 off from work. I took a car up, got there late, 1282 01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:29.199 so I didn't get to go to the first night 1283 01:12:29.239 --> 01:12:33.119 of the presentations. By text, I'm going to go into 1284 01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:34.640 my hotel room. I'll see in the morning. 1285 01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:35.479 I show up. 1286 01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:41.039 I get there in the morning and the first door 1287 01:12:41.520 --> 01:12:43.680 has a line outside of it, and I go up 1288 01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:46.079 and I look at the schedule and it says five 1289 01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:49.720 minutes to pitch a book idea to a Llewellyn editor, 1290 01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:52.159 And I was like, holy shit, I didn't even know 1291 01:12:52.239 --> 01:12:53.760 you could do that. I didn't know if this is 1292 01:12:53.840 --> 01:12:56.319 what people did at conferences. I sit down and you 1293 01:12:56.479 --> 01:13:02.000 just listen to somebody, you know, but they're always sourcing ideas. 1294 01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:06.199 So I'm like, yeah, I'll do this, I'll get online. 1295 01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:09.840 I got hopped online, you know. Then the line starts dwindling. 1296 01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:12.319 I'm getting closer to the door and I realize I 1297 01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:14.520 don't have an idea, Like I just kind of jumped 1298 01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:20.399 on this line and nuts, that's me. You know, if 1299 01:13:20.439 --> 01:13:23.199 you ask my fiancee, Nicole should be the first to 1300 01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:25.960 tell you that I am all you know, I'm all 1301 01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:29.600 about just if somebody suggests we go for a swim, 1302 01:13:31.039 --> 01:13:33.359 all the normal people go and they change into their 1303 01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:36.399 their bathing trunks and I am fully clothed, you know, 1304 01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:42.239 like one hundred yards out already drowning, drowning. But so 1305 01:13:42.399 --> 01:13:44.800 I jumped on and I'm getting nervous because there's like 1306 01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:46.039 one more person. I'm like, what the hell am I 1307 01:13:46.039 --> 01:13:50.239 going to tell this person? And it just pops into 1308 01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:53.039 my head, like Hey, gummy, you know what about the 1309 01:13:53.079 --> 01:13:56.119 stuff that you've been doing for like almost ten years 1310 01:13:56.239 --> 01:13:59.359 now with the Eastern and the Western stuff. Why don't 1311 01:13:59.359 --> 01:14:04.279 you pitch this idea to her? And uh, I came 1312 01:14:04.399 --> 01:14:06.159 up with the title and everything, and I went in. 1313 01:14:06.359 --> 01:14:10.239 I pitched the idea and she's like, it sounds good. 1314 01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:14.199 Send me your first chapter and an introduction. And I'm like, okay, 1315 01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:16.520 I'll do that. And I left that room and I 1316 01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:18.359 went to the cafeteria and I just I wrote the 1317 01:14:18.399 --> 01:14:21.640 first chapter and the introduction and I sent it to 1318 01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:23.920 her and then uh yeah, and then then the rest 1319 01:14:24.039 --> 01:14:25.600 was history. And that was my first book deal. 1320 01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:26.239 So it's. 1321 01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:31.439 To me, there's something synchronistic and providential about it too, 1322 01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:33.159 So it's very special project for me. 1323 01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:37.720 That's wild Ship make Good for you. 1324 01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:41.319 Yeah, that's and because of the lack of fear. That 1325 01:14:41.399 --> 01:14:43.680 may never happened if you had the fear of not 1326 01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:44.399 getting a longing. 1327 01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:48.039 Well, really, I blame Evo, which is why I asked 1328 01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:50.319 him to write the forward, because like he there's just 1329 01:14:50.399 --> 01:14:54.239 something about him. He just he just knows which strings 1330 01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:56.279 to pull. I don't know that he knows why, but 1331 01:14:56.399 --> 01:14:58.840 he knows what to pull and when and it just 1332 01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:02.079 and everything. You know, it is a true true magician. 1333 01:15:03.439 --> 01:15:06.640 H I wanted to ask something since you briefly talked 1334 01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:10.239 about it, and I think I've follow something on Instagram once, 1335 01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:12.920 maybe on on a class of yours or something like 1336 01:15:13.039 --> 01:15:16.279 the usage of music in these kind of things, like 1337 01:15:16.359 --> 01:15:18.159 how do you if maybe you have that on the 1338 01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:19.920 book or or something. 1339 01:15:20.359 --> 01:15:22.000 But I find like music fascinating. 1340 01:15:22.119 --> 01:15:24.199 So there's a there is there's a chapter. 1341 01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:24.680 Again. 1342 01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:26.760 That's because you know, my editor was just kind of like, 1343 01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:29.399 give us a chapter on sound and and and and 1344 01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:34.720 I okay, sure, let's do it. There are different tones 1345 01:15:35.520 --> 01:15:40.159 uh and vowel and consonant combinations. 1346 01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:41.560 I used. 1347 01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:45.239 Primarily the introductory ones have more to do with the 1348 01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:51.439 right salt, sulfur, and mercury being the three uh sounds 1349 01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:55.199 of the mother letters of the in the Seffroyette Sira 1350 01:15:55.439 --> 01:16:00.800 right uh. So the sulfur centerted corresponds to the sibilance, 1351 01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:05.359 which is that kind of sound. Then the salt center 1352 01:16:05.479 --> 01:16:08.000 corresponds to you know, the letter mem and the element 1353 01:16:08.079 --> 01:16:12.479 of water that's silent, so it's more of a this 1354 01:16:12.680 --> 01:16:15.760 kind of thing, and then air being in the middle. 1355 01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:18.439 Mercury is as we say in the gold on the 1356 01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:21.720 tongue of balance betwixt them. So that's more of just 1357 01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:24.680 an awe type of thing, getting to feel it in 1358 01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:27.359 the chest. And part of this is developing the magical 1359 01:16:27.439 --> 01:16:32.279 voice and feeling getting these cavities to vibrate their cavities, 1360 01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:36.560 you know, and get feeling that somatically the levels of 1361 01:16:36.680 --> 01:16:40.560 vibration and being able to do that. In terms of music, 1362 01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:45.479 there's a lot. I just I'm wrapping up. We're doing 1363 01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:48.319 our last session of the Music as Magic course. I 1364 01:16:48.399 --> 01:16:52.199 did a seven module course. The modules are I mean, 1365 01:16:52.319 --> 01:16:54.319 most of them were over two and a half hours long, 1366 01:16:54.960 --> 01:17:00.720 and I really run the gamut of musical applications in 1367 01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:05.520 that it will be available for for for anybody that 1368 01:17:05.560 --> 01:17:08.399 wants to purchase it. I you know, we I've recorded 1369 01:17:08.439 --> 01:17:12.119 all of these. They come with presentation slides. They come 1370 01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:16.199 with custom syllabi syllabuses that I write for each course, 1371 01:17:17.079 --> 01:17:19.319 So anybody's interested in that, reach out to me at 1372 01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:23.600 Ikebaker dot com. There's a little chat widget on the 1373 01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:26.880 bottom right hand corner of the screen and whatever you 1374 01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:30.840 type in there will come to my personal inbox. So A, 1375 01:17:31.039 --> 01:17:33.640 be nice and B if you want to know more 1376 01:17:33.680 --> 01:17:37.720 about this this particular course, write me there and I've 1377 01:17:37.720 --> 01:17:39.199 got another one coming up in March two. 1378 01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:43.159 His courses are amazing. I have taken two of them. 1379 01:17:43.359 --> 01:17:45.640 Ike Baker's The Man and he goes super deep. So 1380 01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:49.640 I'm telling you live review. Ikes courses are awesome. 1381 01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:50.039 Take it. 1382 01:17:50.560 --> 01:17:54.279 Thank you, Thanks, I I'll send the money later. 1383 01:17:57.279 --> 01:17:58.840 Yeah, seven thousand. 1384 01:18:01.119 --> 01:18:03.960 Something I didn't want to ask you that I noticed 1385 01:18:03.960 --> 01:18:06.720 with some chapters in your book, and I thought that 1386 01:18:06.840 --> 01:18:09.079 there are just from my own experience, of my own practices. 1387 01:18:09.119 --> 01:18:11.479 I thought it was something that's very important for me. 1388 01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:13.800 It was important for me. I noticed you have stuff 1389 01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:16.239 on breath, breath work, and visualizations. 1390 01:18:17.199 --> 01:18:19.199 Yeah, why do you? Why do you include those in 1391 01:18:19.239 --> 01:18:20.880 the book? Obviously you must. 1392 01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:27.319 All of all of these words chi, prana, ru, spiritousevma, 1393 01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:31.079 they all related to They all mean breath. They also 1394 01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:35.479 mean other things, but they all mean breath, you know, 1395 01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:39.399 or wind, this kind of thing, vapor, et cetera, so 1396 01:18:39.560 --> 01:18:44.319 on and so forth. But but explicitly, you know, spiritousee, penevma, 1397 01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:48.279 all of these these words prana this means breath. So 1398 01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:56.119 why well, first of all, ether, this quintessence, this pure 1399 01:18:56.359 --> 01:19:00.760 sort of you know, radiant new luminosity, that that everything 1400 01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:08.680 that is sort of radiating off of our density. Or 1401 01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:11.600 really a lot of people think it's actually holding us 1402 01:19:11.680 --> 01:19:15.159 together rather than radiating off of us. But that's a 1403 01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:19.720 whole different conversation. They've always in many, many traditions, it's 1404 01:19:19.720 --> 01:19:22.319 always been related to air, it's been related to wind. 1405 01:19:22.520 --> 01:19:24.840 And how you take it into your body is by breathing. 1406 01:19:26.039 --> 01:19:28.199 And they say, why be right, because in the Golden 1407 01:19:28.279 --> 01:19:31.760 Dawn we say breath is the evidence of life, and 1408 01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:37.479 that that power, that inherent ether was associated with this 1409 01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:41.520 idea of enlivening things. Right, matter is dead in and 1410 01:19:41.640 --> 01:19:45.239 of itself, It's inert according to the classical worldview, the 1411 01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:50.199 magical worldview, matter is cannot animate itself. So what is 1412 01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:53.159 this thing that animates? Well, and you know, in various 1413 01:19:53.199 --> 01:19:57.800 traditions they say soul, but really spirit penevma or as 1414 01:19:58.039 --> 01:20:04.800 anglophone pronunciation would be numa numa. This, this pneumatic substance 1415 01:20:05.119 --> 01:20:08.199 enlivens everything. And and in some systems, like there's a 1416 01:20:08.239 --> 01:20:13.399 book called the The Day Spring of Youth, and there's 1417 01:20:13.439 --> 01:20:16.439 a bunch of stuff in the theosophical writings to talk 1418 01:20:16.479 --> 01:20:21.000 about these practices of breathing in and extracting the prana 1419 01:20:21.880 --> 01:20:25.880 from the air. Really, for me, I don't subscribe to 1420 01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:29.600 that so much as I do this idea that it's 1421 01:20:29.680 --> 01:20:31.680 more along the lines of like what I learned in 1422 01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:36.439 you know Chen, which is Chinese version of Zen. Effectively 1423 01:20:36.720 --> 01:20:41.359 Chen practices meditative practices, is there is a direct relationship 1424 01:20:42.920 --> 01:20:46.399 between the breath and the energy and a lot of it. 1425 01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:51.439 This is the very most basic, the most basic way 1426 01:20:51.520 --> 01:20:53.520 of conceiving. It is the way that one of the 1427 01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:56.600 fundamental ways that you learn to link up and move 1428 01:20:57.199 --> 01:21:00.960 the energy is by using the breath as a guide. Now, 1429 01:21:02.319 --> 01:21:04.039 it's kind of like in the Golden Dawn where you 1430 01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:06.479 do the lesser ritual of the pentagram and you trace 1431 01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:12.920 the pentagrams, right, you're tracing the pentagrams to aid you 1432 01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:17.239 in your visualization, to get you know, Mena Mathers or 1433 01:21:17.319 --> 01:21:21.039 Morena Mathers. She actually you get a lot of modern 1434 01:21:21.119 --> 01:21:24.880 practitioners in the Golden and they very militaristic, you know, 1435 01:21:25.079 --> 01:21:29.880 kind of but Mena Mathers actually taught her students, like 1436 01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:32.199 the Unfortune when she was in the Alpha at Omega, 1437 01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:36.560 to go very slowly because the most important thing is 1438 01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:40.239 the symmetry. So in the same way that you're training 1439 01:21:40.439 --> 01:21:45.399 your mind by aid of this physical gesture in using 1440 01:21:45.560 --> 01:21:48.039 the breath, the fourfold breath and things like this and 1441 01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:52.399 belly breathing, horror breathing, Dantean breath and this kind of stuff, 1442 01:21:52.439 --> 01:21:56.960 you're training your mind to move this energy. Eventually, you 1443 01:21:57.079 --> 01:22:00.159 don't need to do that specific type of breathe thing 1444 01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:03.479 all the time. But in my experience is that when 1445 01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:06.119 I do the breath, I mean it's immedia and it's 1446 01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:10.199 much more powerful, you know. So, uh, there is uh 1447 01:22:10.439 --> 01:22:16.199 that that that synchronization between the mind, the breath, the undulations, right. 1448 01:22:16.239 --> 01:22:19.720 I call that the personal somatic rhythm, the rhythm of 1449 01:22:19.800 --> 01:22:22.680 your body. Right because when you when you slow your breathing, 1450 01:22:23.119 --> 01:22:27.640 your heart slows with it. Everything is coming down everything 1451 01:22:28.039 --> 01:22:31.720 you know, your your your your sympathetic nervous system, your 1452 01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:35.199 parasympathetic nerdive with nervous system is is kicking in and 1453 01:22:35.760 --> 01:22:38.880 and now you can Israel Reggoredy also talked about this 1454 01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:41.680 at length, like if you are anxious and you can't 1455 01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:45.119 relax your body, your mind, like you're not going to 1456 01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:48.600 be able to move that energy, you know. Reggoredy was 1457 01:22:48.760 --> 01:22:52.039 very much into thinking of this stuffs as these energies 1458 01:22:52.119 --> 01:22:55.079 and and uh, that's why he wrote a book called 1459 01:22:55.079 --> 01:22:57.880 The Art of Relaxation, you know, because it's such an 1460 01:22:57.880 --> 01:23:01.359 important part of magic is to get everything to this 1461 01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:07.720 very controlled and steady and still base level. So so 1462 01:23:08.039 --> 01:23:11.800 you know, there's that now in my experience. Again, Jin 1463 01:23:11.880 --> 01:23:14.199 could correct me, but in my experience, and I studied 1464 01:23:14.239 --> 01:23:18.439 with with a Thaie practitioner, Chigung when I was doing 1465 01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:23.399 my personal studies. I had a few Chinese instructors as 1466 01:23:23.439 --> 01:23:25.039 well in school, but they were kind of more of 1467 01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:27.560 on a rotating basis. But the way that I learned 1468 01:23:27.560 --> 01:23:29.359 it was that the first thing you learn is the 1469 01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:33.600 breathing in the postures in Chigo, Okay. You learn how 1470 01:23:33.640 --> 01:23:35.840 to how to move with the breath. You learn how 1471 01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:39.039 to move very slowly synchronously. You know that, you learn 1472 01:23:39.119 --> 01:23:41.720 the forms and how they move and connect into each other, 1473 01:23:42.880 --> 01:23:46.439 and you you learn the names of these forms. Right 1474 01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:54.119 then at a certain point of development, you become what's 1475 01:23:54.199 --> 01:23:57.399 called an inner door student, so that you're an outer 1476 01:23:57.560 --> 01:24:01.159 door student for a while with these traditional guys, and 1477 01:24:01.319 --> 01:24:04.520 it's they're not there too, you know. For customer satisfaction, 1478 01:24:05.079 --> 01:24:07.920 you know, like, it's not customer service here. It's like 1479 01:24:07.960 --> 01:24:10.000 you're going to learn what I tell you because you 1480 01:24:10.119 --> 01:24:13.680 came and you sought me, and I like that a lot. 1481 01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:19.760 I learn more from those people. So the Inner Door teachings. Now, 1482 01:24:19.920 --> 01:24:23.319 once you've mastered the posture, the breath, the movements, the flow, 1483 01:24:23.439 --> 01:24:27.119 the forms, then you get the visualizations and that's when 1484 01:24:27.159 --> 01:24:30.359 you can do magic because it's it's it's all of 1485 01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:33.960 those things in concert with that is effectively magic. You know, 1486 01:24:34.399 --> 01:24:38.640 it's the same thing in the Western practice. So so yeah, 1487 01:24:38.720 --> 01:24:41.079 that's that is very topically why I. 1488 01:24:41.159 --> 01:24:43.279 Included all that stuff. It's a good question though. Thank 1489 01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:49.720 you for asking, thank you for explaining. Yeah, I appreciate that. 1490 01:24:50.399 --> 01:24:54.600 Anybody have any other questions, Frank keep. 1491 01:24:54.479 --> 01:25:00.720 Going, yeah, yeah, of course. I So, oh then what 1492 01:25:01.079 --> 01:25:06.600 is the true uh with this book? What was your 1493 01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:10.319 main besides walking onto the line and all of a 1494 01:25:10.319 --> 01:25:12.800 sudden you have a book deal? What was your main 1495 01:25:13.439 --> 01:25:16.199 reason for this first one? Is it just because of 1496 01:25:16.239 --> 01:25:18.279 that or did beforehand you were thinking about all these 1497 01:25:18.319 --> 01:25:20.600 things and you're like, I've done this training here and 1498 01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:24.039 now you know Western esoteric traditionals put it together into 1499 01:25:24.279 --> 01:25:27.159 this book, and like what what is the real message 1500 01:25:27.159 --> 01:25:28.119 you're trying to give to the people. 1501 01:25:29.399 --> 01:25:36.039 Well, you know, it's it's just a product of what 1502 01:25:36.239 --> 01:25:39.600 happened to me. I look at it like you play music, Well, 1503 01:25:39.680 --> 01:25:41.920 you're the music you make and the music you put 1504 01:25:42.000 --> 01:25:44.640 on an album. It's it's based off of the music 1505 01:25:44.680 --> 01:25:48.079 you've listened to a right, So it's right in that way, 1506 01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:53.239 you're you cannot create any new ingredients in music. In cooking, 1507 01:25:53.640 --> 01:25:56.159 what you can do is you can take the ingredients 1508 01:25:56.199 --> 01:25:58.520 and mix them together in your personal way, and they 1509 01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:02.600 call that style, right, And so this is effectively what 1510 01:26:02.800 --> 01:26:07.840 happened with the book. I I suffered a really really 1511 01:26:07.960 --> 01:26:13.560 devastating life event that effectively it destroyed my life in 1512 01:26:13.600 --> 01:26:16.600 a very short period of time, maybe like three months, 1513 01:26:17.720 --> 01:26:21.560 and everything that I had built, uh, which is good, right, 1514 01:26:21.560 --> 01:26:24.800 because of the House of Cards, it was horseshit. But 1515 01:26:24.880 --> 01:26:26.600 at that point, that's when I decided to go back 1516 01:26:26.640 --> 01:26:29.840 to the golden dawn that I had blown off and 1517 01:26:30.079 --> 01:26:32.960 flaked out on. And at the same time I was 1518 01:26:33.079 --> 01:26:35.600 I was I had to get out of bartending. 1519 01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:36.239 I didn't I want to. 1520 01:26:36.279 --> 01:26:38.239 I didn't want to be touring anymore. I didn't want 1521 01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:39.880 to be working nights four o'clock in the morning in 1522 01:26:39.920 --> 01:26:44.000 a bar in Manhattan. So I couldn't figure out what 1523 01:26:44.119 --> 01:26:47.439 was going on. I was reading a book that somebody 1524 01:26:47.479 --> 01:26:50.840 gave me. It was called Imagining the World into Existence. 1525 01:26:50.880 --> 01:26:53.319 This is a book by Norman Dyellis, who actually is 1526 01:26:53.399 --> 01:26:57.399 a wonderful lady and she's been on the podcast. I 1527 01:26:57.439 --> 01:27:00.479 didn't know her back then, but there was an image 1528 01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:03.520 in this book of somebody performing like what looked like massage. 1529 01:27:04.159 --> 01:27:05.680 And I don't know why, but it just hit me like, 1530 01:27:05.760 --> 01:27:07.800 I have to help people. That's where I need to go. 1531 01:27:08.279 --> 01:27:08.439 Right. 1532 01:27:08.520 --> 01:27:11.720 I served them alcohol. Now I have to serve them, 1533 01:27:11.880 --> 01:27:14.199 you know, in something that's going to heal them instead 1534 01:27:14.199 --> 01:27:21.880 of pick your poison. So I went into bodywork physiotherapy. 1535 01:27:21.920 --> 01:27:24.119 Took me a little while to find my footing figure 1536 01:27:24.119 --> 01:27:26.479 out what I want to do. I didn't like the 1537 01:27:26.520 --> 01:27:31.479 Western allopathic medical paradigm, so I went Parts East and 1538 01:27:31.880 --> 01:27:36.600 I learned, you know, Asian body work. I learned. I 1539 01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:40.159 was in acupuncture. I went to clinic, I learned Chinese 1540 01:27:40.199 --> 01:27:42.399 herbalism and all that stuff. Now as I was doing that, 1541 01:27:42.479 --> 01:27:45.880 I was initiating into the Golden Dawn, and I realized, 1542 01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:50.800 hang on, did these two things need each other. 1543 01:27:51.239 --> 01:27:51.399 You know. 1544 01:27:51.640 --> 01:27:53.960 It was just a total fluke, Like I didn't think 1545 01:27:54.000 --> 01:27:56.760 I was going to get the other side of the picture. 1546 01:27:57.560 --> 01:27:57.720 You know. 1547 01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:00.159 It was just just happened at that time, and I 1548 01:28:00.279 --> 01:28:02.680 was like, wait, this is blowing my goddamn mind. Like 1549 01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:07.239 these are two things that when you have both of them, 1550 01:28:07.319 --> 01:28:11.680 you have pretty much the whole picture. And but they're bifurcated. 1551 01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:13.720 You know, especially in the West, we don't we do 1552 01:28:13.960 --> 01:28:16.880 not have a system of working with the energies that 1553 01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:20.199 we claim to project in the West the way that 1554 01:28:20.279 --> 01:28:25.840 they do. So I was just personally keeping this record 1555 01:28:25.920 --> 01:28:28.800 of what I was doing. I mean, right here, these 1556 01:28:28.840 --> 01:28:31.800 are all my fucking journals that I wrote in through 1557 01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:36.600 the outer Order, through college, everything, you know. So I'm 1558 01:28:36.840 --> 01:28:41.920 sitting there creating my own library, my own personal record, 1559 01:28:41.960 --> 01:28:45.119 which is a library of the things that I was seeing, noticing, 1560 01:28:45.199 --> 01:28:48.840 learning combinations of techniques, and so it was just I 1561 01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:50.960 was just doing that. I was doing that, I was 1562 01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:52.880 living that, I was putting it into practice. And so 1563 01:28:52.960 --> 01:28:54.680 then when I hopped on that line, it was like 1564 01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:57.399 the you know, hey, that's your big idea, that's been 1565 01:28:57.560 --> 01:29:00.479 your project, so why don't you just do that you've 1566 01:29:00.520 --> 01:29:03.920 written it in pencil, you know why put it put 1567 01:29:03.960 --> 01:29:04.880 into a book format? 1568 01:29:07.479 --> 01:29:13.680 Yeah? Uh, Judith, did you have anything did you want 1569 01:29:13.720 --> 01:29:15.560 to ask have to put you on the spot or anything? 1570 01:29:15.600 --> 01:29:17.520 There sometimes that No. 1571 01:29:17.640 --> 01:29:19.399 No, no, I have I don't. 1572 01:29:19.560 --> 01:29:22.960 Actually, this is my introduction to Ike, so he's given 1573 01:29:23.039 --> 01:29:26.159 me a lot to think about, and it's I'm actually 1574 01:29:26.239 --> 01:29:27.600 considering taking your course. 1575 01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:28.920 Uh. 1576 01:29:30.880 --> 01:29:34.319 Well, and that gives me an opportunity for anybody that's 1577 01:29:34.319 --> 01:29:39.760 familiar with pants offfers, right, Sam Robinson Ian Gladwin. I'm 1578 01:29:39.800 --> 01:29:42.039 sure some people out there will be familiar with pants offfers. 1579 01:29:42.039 --> 01:29:44.479 I've been reading pants offers for like twelve fifteen years. 1580 01:29:46.520 --> 01:29:46.640 Uh. 1581 01:29:47.279 --> 01:29:51.319 I recently partnered with them, and I'm going to be 1582 01:29:51.439 --> 01:29:55.600 offering with pan Sulfers uh and Sam, I'm going to 1583 01:29:55.680 --> 01:29:58.520 be teaching uh an etheric magic course. I'm going to 1584 01:29:58.560 --> 01:30:00.359 be doing a whole course on the book, and it's 1585 01:30:00.399 --> 01:30:04.640 going to be in six modules. We haven't gone live 1586 01:30:04.800 --> 01:30:06.960 with any of those materials, but I'm just putting it 1587 01:30:07.000 --> 01:30:11.880 out there in the ether for everybody that might be 1588 01:30:11.960 --> 01:30:15.439 interested specifically in learning what I'm talking about tonight. 1589 01:30:17.800 --> 01:30:20.520 Yeah, I'm looking that up. Now. That's it? Nice man. 1590 01:30:20.600 --> 01:30:20.960 Good for you. 1591 01:30:22.439 --> 01:30:24.520 Yeah, well it's all it's all Sam. You can thank Sam. 1592 01:30:26.520 --> 01:30:30.239 He's he's really good at that, you know, bringing bringing 1593 01:30:30.279 --> 01:30:31.199 people into the fold. 1594 01:30:31.399 --> 01:30:36.520 So so then, hey, what do you think the world's 1595 01:30:36.520 --> 01:30:37.640 getting pretty crazy there? 1596 01:30:37.720 --> 01:30:37.960 Ike? 1597 01:30:38.119 --> 01:30:40.600 Do you think that this is the way to balance 1598 01:30:40.720 --> 01:30:44.159 out the nonsensical with the sensical? And most people think 1599 01:30:44.199 --> 01:30:47.039 the occult isn't as sensical as I know we all 1600 01:30:47.119 --> 01:30:50.039 do here, but there seems to be a lot of 1601 01:30:50.119 --> 01:30:53.520 dark sorcery going on. And the only way to contrast 1602 01:30:53.600 --> 01:30:55.800 that was with the light. What't you say? 1603 01:30:57.399 --> 01:30:59.600 Yeah, but the problem is that most people don't know 1604 01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:01.479 what the fun they're doing with the light. You know, 1605 01:31:01.640 --> 01:31:04.800 it's like you think you have the light, and what 1606 01:31:04.880 --> 01:31:07.039 you're really doing is you have a flame, and the 1607 01:31:07.119 --> 01:31:09.279 flame is not the true light. You're just lighting shit 1608 01:31:09.319 --> 01:31:11.640 on fire at this point, you know, like, that's not 1609 01:31:11.880 --> 01:31:16.319 the light, so right, and that's pure Plato right when 1610 01:31:16.319 --> 01:31:18.319 they're sitting there, when it's the allegory of the Cave, 1611 01:31:18.359 --> 01:31:21.520 Book seven of the Republic, When they're sitting there and 1612 01:31:21.840 --> 01:31:24.239 they're seeing the shadows on the wall, what's behind them 1613 01:31:24.640 --> 01:31:28.359 the false light and it's fire the true light. You 1614 01:31:28.520 --> 01:31:31.119 gotta work for that true light. You gotta climb all 1615 01:31:31.199 --> 01:31:34.279 the way up that path, that ascent, that rough ascent 1616 01:31:34.439 --> 01:31:37.640 under the overpass, until finally you reach the light of 1617 01:31:37.760 --> 01:31:42.079 day and the sun blinds you temporarily. That's the true light. 1618 01:31:42.159 --> 01:31:47.680 You are fucking blind at first, and that is effectively 1619 01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:49.520 what we all have to go through in order to 1620 01:31:49.560 --> 01:31:52.279 fix the mess we're in. It's not it's not in 1621 01:31:52.840 --> 01:31:56.159 we talked about this interface between the interior and the exterior, 1622 01:31:56.760 --> 01:32:00.119 like our exterior situations are a product of who we 1623 01:32:00.319 --> 01:32:04.640 are who we are, Okay, So a part of this 1624 01:32:05.359 --> 01:32:08.840 can help with that, in the creation of insight, in 1625 01:32:08.920 --> 01:32:12.319 the focusing of your attention and your efforts into something systematized, 1626 01:32:12.760 --> 01:32:17.800 something progressive in terms of systematic, something you're getting better at, 1627 01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:22.359 something you're working with and it's working on you. But 1628 01:32:22.760 --> 01:32:25.640 there are other ways to do that. I mean, for me, 1629 01:32:25.920 --> 01:32:30.359 it was always initiation. But I understand now, after being 1630 01:32:30.399 --> 01:32:33.319 out here sticking my neck out here so people can 1631 01:32:33.399 --> 01:32:36.439 rip my head off for three years, I understand that 1632 01:32:36.520 --> 01:32:39.680 I didn't have the same experience of initiation that a 1633 01:32:39.720 --> 01:32:41.640 lot of people who went through, you know, the same 1634 01:32:41.720 --> 01:32:47.399 tradition did. I think that purely it was again this 1635 01:32:47.600 --> 01:32:49.920 quixotic thing. I had no clue what the Golden Dawn 1636 01:32:50.039 --> 01:32:52.760 was when I entered it. It was a fluke. I 1637 01:32:52.840 --> 01:32:55.560 wanted to join a Kabbala study group and the guy 1638 01:32:55.640 --> 01:32:58.199 told me, we don't do that anymore. But we got 1639 01:32:58.239 --> 01:33:01.079 this other meeting and it was the golden on like 1640 01:33:01.119 --> 01:33:03.279 what do people think you're doing? Like Harry Potter wand 1641 01:33:03.319 --> 01:33:06.840 waving shit? And I totally flaked. But then when I 1642 01:33:06.920 --> 01:33:09.039 went back, I didn't know anything about I had had 1643 01:33:09.079 --> 01:33:09.840 no preconceptions. 1644 01:33:09.880 --> 01:33:10.439 There wasn't all this. 1645 01:33:10.520 --> 01:33:13.359 There weren't people like me out there giving everything away, 1646 01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:16.520 you know, it was. It was very difficult to know anything. 1647 01:33:17.079 --> 01:33:19.319 So I went into that blind and the fact that 1648 01:33:19.479 --> 01:33:24.319 I wasn't trying to you know, hump into submission into 1649 01:33:24.399 --> 01:33:27.560 what I wanted it to be. It I was able 1650 01:33:27.880 --> 01:33:31.760 to experience it right Like if if if you met 1651 01:33:31.880 --> 01:33:35.960 a person and you you went to coffee or you 1652 01:33:36.039 --> 01:33:38.880 went to dinner, you're on a date, and the whole 1653 01:33:38.960 --> 01:33:41.439 time you're sitting there telling them who you think they are, 1654 01:33:42.199 --> 01:33:44.479 You're not going to learn a thing about them. You're 1655 01:33:44.479 --> 01:33:48.800 probably not going to get a second date. Effectively, this 1656 01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:51.159 this was what enabled me to have I believe the 1657 01:33:51.279 --> 01:33:54.640 experience that I did have, which was utterly transformative. I'm 1658 01:33:55.159 --> 01:33:58.239 virtually unrecognizable from the person I was before I went 1659 01:33:58.279 --> 01:34:02.119 through initiation. And I think in some way you could 1660 01:34:02.159 --> 01:34:03.600 do that at the Golden Dawn. You could do that 1661 01:34:03.720 --> 01:34:06.399 with the Theoreic magic. You could do that in the Oto, 1662 01:34:06.640 --> 01:34:10.680 you could do that in you know, amwork theosophy, because 1663 01:34:10.720 --> 01:34:12.880 it's about what you are bringing to the table and 1664 01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:15.079 how you are allowing yourself to be led. 1665 01:34:16.159 --> 01:34:19.319 Yeah, yeah, that, or you could do it through reading 1666 01:34:19.399 --> 01:34:23.000 the Republic and learning how to philosophize and realizing how 1667 01:34:23.079 --> 01:34:26.319 to actually walk out of the cave, because nobody can 1668 01:34:26.399 --> 01:34:29.359 do it for you, you know. And I think that's 1669 01:34:29.399 --> 01:34:32.600 something that Socrates and Plato was through Socrates's voice, was 1670 01:34:32.640 --> 01:34:35.560 really getting at, you know, is that like you have 1671 01:34:35.920 --> 01:34:39.119 like that's the idea of at least my readings of 1672 01:34:39.760 --> 01:34:41.760 no One. You can't bring the light back into the cave. 1673 01:34:41.800 --> 01:34:43.680 And that's what people mistake is that no matter where 1674 01:34:43.760 --> 01:34:48.199 you're at, in Malchuth or the cave. That's why it's 1675 01:34:48.239 --> 01:34:51.319 a contrasting thing of like once you become a philosopher king, 1676 01:34:51.399 --> 01:34:54.640 or once you witness the Platonic forms, it's truly that 1677 01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:56.880 then you don't want to govern because you're just really 1678 01:34:56.920 --> 01:34:58.720 truly trying to learn how to govern yourself. 1679 01:34:59.800 --> 01:35:03.000 Well, and that's the thing there. There's some verbiage there, 1680 01:35:03.119 --> 01:35:05.600 specifically in the in the original Greek, in the Republic, 1681 01:35:05.600 --> 01:35:07.800 and I think you you should people should read the Republic. 1682 01:35:08.039 --> 01:35:09.640 But if you really want to learn how to do 1683 01:35:09.800 --> 01:35:11.760 the dialectic and what the whole purpose of it is, 1684 01:35:11.800 --> 01:35:13.720 you got to read. You got to at least you 1685 01:35:13.800 --> 01:35:15.560 got to at least read the twelve Dialogue, so the 1686 01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:18.359 ambleiking and curriculum as well. You're not going to get 1687 01:35:18.399 --> 01:35:22.159 it from a single dialogue, especially the Republic, because it's 1688 01:35:23.079 --> 01:35:25.199 it's the great, it's the magnum opus. It contains all 1689 01:35:25.279 --> 01:35:27.840 his major themes. It's exhaustive. But so so you know, 1690 01:35:27.920 --> 01:35:29.079 you want to you want to go you want to 1691 01:35:29.119 --> 01:35:31.159 read the Republic with a shirtba somebody that's been up 1692 01:35:31.199 --> 01:35:33.399 this mountain seven or eight times, maybe one hundred. 1693 01:35:33.760 --> 01:35:33.880 Uh. 1694 01:35:34.039 --> 01:35:36.319 But the main thing about about the allegory of the 1695 01:35:36.399 --> 01:35:41.800 cave is it is very interesting, very interesting. He doesn't 1696 01:35:41.920 --> 01:35:45.920 say that the prisoner, and that's what he calls them prisoners. 1697 01:35:46.159 --> 01:35:49.520 They're bound hand and foot, and their their necks, their heads, 1698 01:35:49.560 --> 01:35:52.359 they can't look away from the wall. He doesn't say 1699 01:35:52.399 --> 01:35:56.119 that one escapes. He says that one is freed. He 1700 01:35:56.199 --> 01:35:59.359 doesn't say by who or why. But then he says 1701 01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:04.680 he is then shoved, pushed and dragged up. That this 1702 01:36:04.840 --> 01:36:07.159 is what I mean when allowing yourself to be led, 1703 01:36:07.800 --> 01:36:12.079 because that in that instance, Socrates, I believe Plato, you know, 1704 01:36:12.159 --> 01:36:15.479 through Socrates talking about and this is not gonna be 1705 01:36:15.560 --> 01:36:21.439 very popular, talking about providence. Providence, something comes and takes 1706 01:36:21.520 --> 01:36:25.199 the chains off of you. For me, my life was destroyed. 1707 01:36:25.960 --> 01:36:28.960 I had no choice. Did I know what I was 1708 01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:29.279 going in? 1709 01:36:29.359 --> 01:36:29.439 Now? 1710 01:36:29.479 --> 01:36:30.720 I flaked on the Golden Dawn? 1711 01:36:31.119 --> 01:36:31.960 Did I know what I was in? 1712 01:36:32.119 --> 01:36:32.159 No? 1713 01:36:32.279 --> 01:36:35.159 I you know, I jerked around for the first like 1714 01:36:35.239 --> 01:36:37.720 three months I was involved in the order. I had 1715 01:36:37.760 --> 01:36:42.439 to be pushed, shoved and dragged, you know. And this 1716 01:36:43.239 --> 01:36:45.439 there is you have to learn to allow yourself to 1717 01:36:45.479 --> 01:36:45.800 be led. 1718 01:36:46.000 --> 01:36:46.520 That's what it's. 1719 01:36:46.520 --> 01:36:49.039 Something like a system like the Golden Dawn ultimately culminates 1720 01:36:49.079 --> 01:36:53.119 in right, that's the job of the adept at first, 1721 01:36:53.199 --> 01:36:55.760 the adept, this minor is to rise and unite with 1722 01:36:55.840 --> 01:36:59.840 your higher divine genius. And so that's what's leading you 1723 01:37:00.359 --> 01:37:02.000 in a lot of this stuff right, and we say it. 1724 01:37:02.079 --> 01:37:04.520 The lamp of the hidden knowledge went before you, though 1725 01:37:04.560 --> 01:37:06.800 you're the but though it was unseen by thine eyes. 1726 01:37:08.039 --> 01:37:10.000 The knowledge of the lamp of the hidden knowledge is 1727 01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:11.640 always guiding you. It's always in front of you. You 1728 01:37:11.720 --> 01:37:13.840 don't know why you're doing what you're doing, you know, 1729 01:37:13.880 --> 01:37:15.800 and if you dare take to take credit from it, 1730 01:37:15.880 --> 01:37:19.960 you're gonna you will fall soon. So you need to 1731 01:37:20.039 --> 01:37:22.600 allow yourself to be led. And I think that that's 1732 01:37:22.640 --> 01:37:25.079 a really powerful statement in the Republic, is that like 1733 01:37:25.920 --> 01:37:30.800 it's too much to do this yourself. We can't do it. 1734 01:37:31.079 --> 01:37:35.039 Like the persona like you know, Ike, who when he 1735 01:37:35.199 --> 01:37:38.000 dies is dead, you know, And like this guy who 1736 01:37:38.239 --> 01:37:44.760 you know struggles with myriad things self esteem, laziness of 1737 01:37:45.079 --> 01:37:49.039 physical health, eating too much, staying up too late. That guy, 1738 01:37:49.680 --> 01:37:53.039 that guy's gonna do this work. No, absolutely not. There's 1739 01:37:53.079 --> 01:37:55.439 something that that guy has to allow himself to be 1740 01:37:55.600 --> 01:37:59.279 led through this work. You you don't give yourself the 1741 01:37:59.359 --> 01:38:02.720 marching order you know, you receive, you learn ways to 1742 01:38:02.920 --> 01:38:06.239 receive them. That's what the Golden don does. You're teaching 1743 01:38:06.319 --> 01:38:08.840 you a way to receive your marching orders, and then 1744 01:38:08.880 --> 01:38:12.119 you make sure that your ass follows, you know, just 1745 01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:14.880 follow suit, but one foot in front of the other 1746 01:38:15.079 --> 01:38:17.279 and that's it. So so I think that that's really 1747 01:38:17.319 --> 01:38:20.159 important too, if we're talking about how to kind of 1748 01:38:20.239 --> 01:38:24.399 fix or I don't even think you can't fix what's 1749 01:38:24.439 --> 01:38:28.159 going on. You have to transition and evolve into something else. 1750 01:38:28.600 --> 01:38:31.880 There's no fixing this. It's just we got to get 1751 01:38:31.960 --> 01:38:32.880 through it, you know. 1752 01:38:33.000 --> 01:38:33.760 And I don't know. 1753 01:38:34.439 --> 01:38:38.239 I truly I can't say if we will get through 1754 01:38:38.279 --> 01:38:41.760 it in my lifetime, but I always have hope, always. 1755 01:38:45.640 --> 01:38:47.159 Yeah, beautiful, beautiful. 1756 01:38:49.199 --> 01:38:52.680 Uh we there's anything about this book that you would 1757 01:38:52.720 --> 01:38:55.680 like to, you know, at least still talk about or 1758 01:38:55.760 --> 01:38:57.760 mention or leave us with before we start to wrap 1759 01:38:57.840 --> 01:39:00.600 it up. You know, what is it about this book 1760 01:39:00.640 --> 01:39:04.359 that's different that you say? You know, you know the 1761 01:39:04.439 --> 01:39:06.479 reason for this book? I guess what stands out with 1762 01:39:06.560 --> 01:39:07.600 this one and other people's. 1763 01:39:08.479 --> 01:39:10.199 Well, A lot of people are telling me that it's 1764 01:39:10.279 --> 01:39:15.000 it's extremely easy to read, and like, I put shitload 1765 01:39:15.039 --> 01:39:17.359 information into this thing, as as I always do. I 1766 01:39:17.439 --> 01:39:21.079 can't help myself. I really can't help myself. I just 1767 01:39:21.319 --> 01:39:24.119 I'm here to literally just just just vomit this stuff. 1768 01:39:24.840 --> 01:39:30.119 And I give a lot of relevant contextual and historical 1769 01:39:32.119 --> 01:39:34.800 stuff to point you in a direction to begin to 1770 01:39:34.880 --> 01:39:38.880 understand this, rather than like you go on YouTube and 1771 01:39:38.960 --> 01:39:41.840 you're watching some guy tell you about, you know, piezoelectricity 1772 01:39:41.880 --> 01:39:44.560 in his crystals. There's nothing wrong with that, but there's 1773 01:39:44.680 --> 01:39:49.680 there's there's a much broader history of discussion and this 1774 01:39:50.479 --> 01:39:52.720 in learning what this is and using it. It's a 1775 01:39:52.840 --> 01:39:58.439 huge history both hemispheres, right, So I try and and 1776 01:39:58.600 --> 01:40:01.520 give that stuff in contextual for the reader. And it 1777 01:40:01.840 --> 01:40:07.720 just so happened that, uh, you know, it was my 1778 01:40:07.800 --> 01:40:09.920 first book, deal, but it wasn't the first book I wrote. 1779 01:40:10.119 --> 01:40:12.720 So I got all the big words and fancy concepts 1780 01:40:12.760 --> 01:40:14.760 out in the first book. It was a total cathartic 1781 01:40:15.279 --> 01:40:17.239 you know exercise. So this one I was much more 1782 01:40:17.279 --> 01:40:20.079 focused in the way that I wrote, and apparently it 1783 01:40:20.159 --> 01:40:22.520 was very very clear to a lot of people. I 1784 01:40:22.560 --> 01:40:24.359 think that's one way it stands out. The other way 1785 01:40:24.399 --> 01:40:26.920 is that nobody's ever done anything like that before. You know, 1786 01:40:27.039 --> 01:40:34.039 Etheric taken the Eastern tradition and what what we what 1787 01:40:34.199 --> 01:40:36.760 I learned about the Eastern tradition and brought it into 1788 01:40:38.199 --> 01:40:43.800 the language the symbol systems of the Hermetic Kabbala of 1789 01:40:43.880 --> 01:40:49.159 the West and Western alchemy. So so that's it's really 1790 01:40:49.279 --> 01:40:52.680 those two systems that they were the only doorways in uh, 1791 01:40:52.840 --> 01:40:58.760 into getting this stuff into a specifically Western magical practice 1792 01:40:58.800 --> 01:41:02.960 for people too. Then it's just a very easy transition 1793 01:41:03.119 --> 01:41:06.439 into using it magically. And I'd like to think I'm 1794 01:41:06.560 --> 01:41:09.079 very thorough, but I leave enough room for you to, like, 1795 01:41:09.520 --> 01:41:13.039 I say, you know you can you don't like some 1796 01:41:13.199 --> 01:41:16.000 of this stuff, fine, great, take it what you do 1797 01:41:16.239 --> 01:41:19.079 like and apply it to the system that you currently work. 1798 01:41:19.199 --> 01:41:19.760 Apply it. 1799 01:41:19.880 --> 01:41:23.960 It's it's very applicable to everything that you're probably already doing. 1800 01:41:24.840 --> 01:41:27.640 So so there's that too that it can be kind 1801 01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:31.800 of a little a La Kart. So yeah, other than that, 1802 01:41:31.880 --> 01:41:33.720 I mean, go on Amazon and read the reviews. I 1803 01:41:33.760 --> 01:41:35.079 got some really good refuse. 1804 01:41:35.000 --> 01:41:39.760 To actually, oh and you do have I think it 1805 01:41:39.800 --> 01:41:41.520 does mention. You do have like fifty lessons in that 1806 01:41:41.640 --> 01:41:42.119 too as well. 1807 01:41:42.239 --> 01:41:47.079 Right, Oh, yeah, I've got exercises, there's a there's a 1808 01:41:47.560 --> 01:41:52.199 guided visualization, there is all sorts of stuff. It's you know, 1809 01:41:52.279 --> 01:41:55.359 it's Llewellen. So the main thing, you know, one of 1810 01:41:55.399 --> 01:41:57.960 their central tenets is, yeah, you write about all the 1811 01:41:58.079 --> 01:41:59.119 history and theory you want. 1812 01:41:59.159 --> 01:42:00.439 But you got it. 1813 01:42:00.560 --> 01:42:03.439 This has to focus on practice, which I love. I 1814 01:42:03.640 --> 01:42:06.800 was on board with that from the beginning, so it's 1815 01:42:06.880 --> 01:42:13.800 extremely practical. I would say, uh, yeah, that's uh, that's 1816 01:42:13.840 --> 01:42:15.800 really it. It's a special it's a special book. It's 1817 01:42:15.880 --> 01:42:19.279 it's it's it's already it's getting translated into multiple languages 1818 01:42:19.359 --> 01:42:22.600 at this point, so it's it's it's really been a 1819 01:42:22.680 --> 01:42:25.079 wild ride with this particular book. But look out for 1820 01:42:25.159 --> 01:42:28.920 the maybe maybe in two years, I think that'll be 1821 01:42:29.000 --> 01:42:32.279 ready to the the Luminous Body. That's what I'm calling 1822 01:42:32.319 --> 01:42:34.359 it for now. The follow up, the sequel to it 1823 01:42:34.520 --> 01:42:37.960 is uh, I'm going to do that with Lluellen some 1824 01:42:38.079 --> 01:42:39.279 good for you man, Good luck with that. 1825 01:42:39.399 --> 01:42:41.079 So I expect to read a book and then be 1826 01:42:41.159 --> 01:42:48.439 able to do TELEKINESI. Right, yeah, yeah, awesome. 1827 01:42:48.840 --> 01:42:50.720 By the way, I'm gonna have you sign a liability 1828 01:42:50.800 --> 01:42:51.079 way for. 1829 01:42:55.960 --> 01:42:59.560 Very nice all right, Uh, I'll have everybody plug is 1830 01:42:59.640 --> 01:43:02.920 shows before we wrap it up here what is going on? 1831 01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:05.640 And you're muted? 1832 01:43:06.399 --> 01:43:07.720 You know, sorry about that. 1833 01:43:09.159 --> 01:43:12.960 It's been a pleasure, actually quite enlightening. I know you 1834 01:43:13.039 --> 01:43:15.640 put it out in ether about that course you're putting together. 1835 01:43:15.800 --> 01:43:18.199 How soon do you think that might be out there 1836 01:43:18.279 --> 01:43:19.399 for us to partake. 1837 01:43:23.880 --> 01:43:27.560 I want to say, March, I'm probably I'm going to 1838 01:43:27.600 --> 01:43:31.000 be teaching three courses in in in this in March, 1839 01:43:31.359 --> 01:43:34.920 I'm going to be teaching the Etheric Magic Course, which 1840 01:43:35.000 --> 01:43:36.720 is going to be six modules right out of the 1841 01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:38.800 book and with extra shit you know that I didn't 1842 01:43:38.800 --> 01:43:43.640 put in there. I'll be teaching a class called a 1843 01:43:43.760 --> 01:43:48.039 course called Techniques of Greco Egyptian Theorgy, and that is 1844 01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:54.720 in October of last year, I did a I guided 1845 01:43:54.800 --> 01:43:59.239 and facilitated a field immersive excursion through Upper and Lower 1846 01:43:59.279 --> 01:44:03.520 Egypt with twenty participants. And I had spent a significant 1847 01:44:03.520 --> 01:44:08.439 amount of time putting together and reconstructing to whatever degree 1848 01:44:08.600 --> 01:44:14.800 was possible ancient theurgic ritual ceremonies and and uh so 1849 01:44:15.079 --> 01:44:18.800 all of the ritual techniques and the theory and the 1850 01:44:18.960 --> 01:44:21.800 history that I put together for that that actual like 1851 01:44:21.960 --> 01:44:25.760 on site you know, nine ten day excursion that's gonna 1852 01:44:25.760 --> 01:44:28.399 be most of the content of this that course. And 1853 01:44:28.479 --> 01:44:31.000 then uh the the final course I'm gonna be doing, 1854 01:44:31.039 --> 01:44:34.960 which is shorter, it's only four modules. It's it's gonna 1855 01:44:34.960 --> 01:44:40.439 be it's called Astrological Herbalism for Witches. Magicians and alchemists. 1856 01:44:40.520 --> 01:44:44.000 So that's another book I got in the pipeline and 1857 01:44:44.239 --> 01:44:46.840 I'm going to be teaching a course on on that stuff. 1858 01:44:46.880 --> 01:44:50.479 So yeah, again, anybody that's interested Ike Baker dot com 1859 01:44:50.680 --> 01:44:52.520 write to me and I'll get you signed. 1860 01:44:52.359 --> 01:44:56.640 Up for everything. Nice good stuff. Yeah. 1861 01:44:58.920 --> 01:45:00.880 Oh but thank you again. 1862 01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:01.239 Thank you. 1863 01:45:04.239 --> 01:45:07.920 And you could catch me on the Loon on YouTube 1864 01:45:08.159 --> 01:45:11.600 as a loon on YouTube and on x This was 1865 01:45:11.640 --> 01:45:12.159 a pleasure. 1866 01:45:12.319 --> 01:45:16.479 Oh yeah, and uh jin, what is going on with 1867 01:45:17.479 --> 01:45:19.720 what's up? Well, I just want to say thank you 1868 01:45:19.800 --> 01:45:22.159 so much. I honestly you're a great guest to like 1869 01:45:22.520 --> 01:45:25.680 legit legit like super respect to your knowledge base and 1870 01:45:25.960 --> 01:45:29.479 just like how yeah, it's a bit syncretic, but that's 1871 01:45:29.560 --> 01:45:32.199 kind of the time of that exactly like what you said. 1872 01:45:32.239 --> 01:45:34.600 It's like I always say, like knowledge goes best together 1873 01:45:35.239 --> 01:45:37.600 because then only then can you see the contour of 1874 01:45:37.640 --> 01:45:38.039 the truth. 1875 01:45:38.720 --> 01:45:39.359 I kind of like that. 1876 01:45:39.479 --> 01:45:42.039 That's very ton tric, maybe because we only have one 1877 01:45:42.079 --> 01:45:45.000 primordial truth but a lot of relative truth, so it 1878 01:45:45.119 --> 01:45:49.319 makes sense for us. But you know, regardless of your system, 1879 01:45:49.359 --> 01:45:51.279 I think that you do have a lot of knowledge 1880 01:45:51.279 --> 01:45:52.560 and I greatly appreciate it. 1881 01:45:52.680 --> 01:45:53.479 So thank you so much. 1882 01:45:53.560 --> 01:45:56.039 And thank you, of course, Nick Boss for inviting me, 1883 01:45:56.399 --> 01:46:00.319 Thank you Judith, thank you Brandon of course, who is 1884 01:46:00.359 --> 01:46:03.279 my buddy. For the record, he is my friend, but 1885 01:46:03.520 --> 01:46:05.439 I am going to give him shit on the show 1886 01:46:05.680 --> 01:46:09.319 at times if I will. And then of course Matt, 1887 01:46:09.359 --> 01:46:12.600 who is our webmaster as well as our YouTube social 1888 01:46:12.640 --> 01:46:16.000 media coordinator for the Gray Lodge. Check out our show 1889 01:46:16.199 --> 01:46:19.680 February thirteenth, will as the cause of fire exposition on 1890 01:46:19.800 --> 01:46:23.239 naw success my episodes with Sauschkey, I have a double 1891 01:46:23.279 --> 01:46:26.840 episode coming up, and also with the Taoist priest that 1892 01:46:26.960 --> 01:46:31.600 we that I forgot his name very temporarily. Matt reminded 1893 01:46:31.640 --> 01:46:35.279 me Master Gongson. And I've got so many, so many 1894 01:46:35.319 --> 01:46:38.920 shows coming up. Nick I, Brandon and I are working 1895 01:46:38.960 --> 01:46:41.600 on something I've got I've just got so much going on. 1896 01:46:41.680 --> 01:46:44.720 It's like a little overwhelming, but it's it's great, it's generative, 1897 01:46:44.800 --> 01:46:49.119 and I'm in a good place. So everybody, thank you 1898 01:46:49.239 --> 01:46:51.720 so much, and have a great year of the fire Horse, 1899 01:46:51.800 --> 01:46:54.640 because Chinese New Year is almost here end of the month, 1900 01:46:54.880 --> 01:46:58.479 so you know, I think it'll be a welcome respite 1901 01:46:58.640 --> 01:47:03.000 from the multuousness of the yearly Snake, So thank you, 1902 01:47:03.399 --> 01:47:03.920 appreciate it. 1903 01:47:04.079 --> 01:47:05.920 Oh, thank you for coming on. I would appreciate you. 1904 01:47:06.039 --> 01:47:09.359 Jorded ed Brandon, what's going on Vegas? 1905 01:47:10.479 --> 01:47:10.920 Hey? Yo? 1906 01:47:11.239 --> 01:47:11.439 Yeah? 1907 01:47:11.600 --> 01:47:14.840 Nice, amazing as always, Ike's the man. I don't know 1908 01:47:15.039 --> 01:47:17.039 why he doesn't say it. Supposedly he had a new 1909 01:47:17.119 --> 01:47:20.520 company come a business with his soap and all the 1910 01:47:20.600 --> 01:47:23.520 herbs and stuff, so everyone should make sure they also 1911 01:47:23.720 --> 01:47:26.359 buy his brilliance. He'll tell you. 1912 01:47:26.640 --> 01:47:27.119 Just go do it. 1913 01:47:27.319 --> 01:47:30.279 Buy the book. Ikes the Man, megas and the media here. 1914 01:47:30.640 --> 01:47:33.640 Head over to my YouTube because one of the remedies 1915 01:47:33.720 --> 01:47:39.479 to a postmodern mechanical functional world is magic and kung fu, 1916 01:47:40.000 --> 01:47:42.840 and I find that to be something everyone can do, 1917 01:47:43.199 --> 01:47:45.760 so their only way to save the world is to 1918 01:47:45.840 --> 01:47:48.600 save yourself. Head over to x head over to Instagram. 1919 01:47:49.039 --> 01:47:52.279 This crew is amazing. Shout out to Nick of the 1920 01:47:52.319 --> 01:47:55.720 occult rejects. We are all here because of him, and 1921 01:47:56.399 --> 01:47:58.720 thank you again for the evening. It's fantastic. 1922 01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:02.760 Thank you, sir. I appreciate your joining us and my 1923 01:48:02.880 --> 01:48:05.119 man Matt was going on, kid. Thank you very much 1924 01:48:05.119 --> 01:48:05.520 for coming on. 1925 01:48:05.600 --> 01:48:11.239 Man, Yeah, thank you for calling always, super nice, super 1926 01:48:11.319 --> 01:48:14.039 great discussions here and as always, you can find me 1927 01:48:14.319 --> 01:48:18.760 as at Medmore nineteen that's going to be on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, 1928 01:48:19.880 --> 01:48:21.800 maybe some other places, but those are the ones that 1929 01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:22.840 you should post the most. 1930 01:48:23.520 --> 01:48:25.359 And like I said, just. 1931 01:48:25.800 --> 01:48:30.760 Launch today you can enter a social platform for esoteric 1932 01:48:30.800 --> 01:48:34.359 and spiritual discourse. It's not about hosting the content that 1933 01:48:34.479 --> 01:48:39.119 already exists like here on YouTube, Apple, Spotify, everywhere, but 1934 01:48:39.319 --> 01:48:42.079 more so a discourse layer. So there's gonna be a 1935 01:48:42.159 --> 01:48:44.239 lot of coal stuff there. Just make sure to go 1936 01:48:44.399 --> 01:48:49.920 to enter gammu that's ga Mu dot com. And yeah, 1937 01:48:49.960 --> 01:48:51.319 in a few weeks that's gonna be a lot of 1938 01:48:51.319 --> 01:48:51.880 co stuff there. 1939 01:48:52.359 --> 01:48:58.520 So awesome, very nice, congratulations, gradulations, and last I please 1940 01:48:58.600 --> 01:49:00.560 let everybody know where they can find at least yeah. 1941 01:49:01.159 --> 01:49:03.680 Yeah, thanks for having me on. It's always great. Seriously, 1942 01:49:04.960 --> 01:49:08.039 I can't say enough good things about what you are 1943 01:49:08.239 --> 01:49:11.159 putting together here and what you've done. I'm just happy 1944 01:49:11.199 --> 01:49:14.039 to be, you know, in the mix anytime. 1945 01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:16.199 Yeah. 1946 01:49:16.239 --> 01:49:18.199 Ike Baker dot com I K E B A k 1947 01:49:18.399 --> 01:49:20.359 E R. That's where you can find most of my stuff. 1948 01:49:20.680 --> 01:49:23.960 The channel on the channel on YouTube is r kanem 1949 01:49:24.000 --> 01:49:27.800 A R C A and v M. Thank you Brandon 1950 01:49:28.039 --> 01:49:31.279 for mentioning the shop. Nicole, well, thank you as well. 1951 01:49:31.640 --> 01:49:35.199 So I put that in the chat on YouTube. It's 1952 01:49:35.520 --> 01:49:41.520 Prickle and Pine shop shop on on on Etsy, and 1953 01:49:41.800 --> 01:49:45.479 uh yeah, we're shipping all over the place, and it's 1954 01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:49.239 a lot of custom botanicals and soaps and saves and 1955 01:49:49.319 --> 01:49:51.840 things like that. And I very occasionally will get in 1956 01:49:51.920 --> 01:49:54.960 the mix and do a if I have a nice election, 1957 01:49:55.720 --> 01:49:59.800 right astrological election, I'll do some uh some astrologically time. 1958 01:50:00.560 --> 01:50:00.760 You know. 1959 01:50:01.039 --> 01:50:04.520 Uh, soaps correspond to different planets and things like that. 1960 01:50:04.920 --> 01:50:09.600 I don't consecrate them, you know, because it's I'm I'm 1961 01:50:09.680 --> 01:50:12.840 not putting my my my chee and your soap so 1962 01:50:12.920 --> 01:50:14.920 that you can rub it on yourself. It's it's not 1963 01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:18.840 what I do. If you want to consecrate it, go ahead, 1964 01:50:19.279 --> 01:50:21.800 but I'll just make the soap and send you and 1965 01:50:21.920 --> 01:50:25.239 Nicole will so Yeah, thank you for bringing that up. 1966 01:50:25.279 --> 01:50:27.680 I appreciate it. There's just so much to talk about. 1967 01:50:27.720 --> 01:50:32.920 I get overwhelmed. That's what friends are for, yeah, seriously, 1968 01:50:33.199 --> 01:50:37.239 And I'm really looking forward, really looking forward to getting 1969 01:50:37.279 --> 01:50:40.560 on here with fredder RC from a hermetic podcast. Uh 1970 01:50:40.880 --> 01:50:43.479 and just a couple of days. I think Wednesday we're on. 1971 01:50:43.640 --> 01:50:48.760 We're going to talk about Golden Dawn. Probably, yes, for 1972 01:50:48.880 --> 01:50:53.920 the second time. Yeah, second truck. Yeah, thank you very 1973 01:50:54.000 --> 01:50:54.880 much man for coming on. 1974 01:50:55.479 --> 01:50:57.720 It's always great stuff, always great toys and tons of 1975 01:50:57.960 --> 01:51:01.399 tons of information. I get a lot myself. Thank you 1976 01:51:01.479 --> 01:51:03.119 everybody in the chat. That's what's up. There's a lot 1977 01:51:03.159 --> 01:51:04.560 of people here from the beginning to the end. They 1978 01:51:04.600 --> 01:51:06.359 appreciate it and love all the comments and love all 1979 01:51:06.359 --> 01:51:08.640 the stuff that was added in the questions if they're 1980 01:51:08.680 --> 01:51:11.199 thrown in there, and that's where we go live. But 1981 01:51:11.760 --> 01:51:14.199 that's the end of another cult rejects until the next one. 1982 01:51:14.359 --> 01:51:15.720 Everybody be well later.