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today I got a conversation for you guys that I
think you're going to enjoy. Hopefully some people will get
some enlightenment unintended there out of this one. And Uh,
this woman, I met her through some back channels and
through some communities that I'm a part of on Facebook,
and we just started talking and we've had some similar
interests in astrology and astronomy and seeing that kind of
stuff in the Bible. And we've been talking back and
forth and she actually had some amazing stories and testimonies.
And I've been working on her for a few weeks
now and she's finally cleared up her schedule and come
to hang out with us and talk to us. But
I'd like to welcome to the show, Lindsey. Lindsey, thank
you for coming on.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to
be here.
Speaker 1: Well, just for those that don't know you, just give
us a little background and how you got here and
what we're going to be talking about today.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I am an ex new Ager and I was
born and raised Christian, but slowly slipped away and for
about thirteen years was heavily into the New Age and
recently a little over a year ago, got the callback
to Jesus, like very strongly, and I someone shared one
of these podcasts. The first one I think I listened
to was Blurry Creatures, and then I've been subjected to others,
including yours, and I was just very drawn to the
supernatural side of the Bible. It answered a lot of
questions for me, and that's how I'm here today.
Speaker 1: Well, I did actually got to listen to that one
talk that you did with the Blurry Creatures, and I
think that was just a really fascinating testimony. And I
remember when I talked to you about it, you were like, oh,
I was so nervous, and I don't think I got
out what I wanted to get out. So it's like,
I want you to just be chill and relax here
and take your time. And we got not to get
out your story because just from what we've talked about,
you've got some really good ones.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that I'm even here telling my story because
in one aspect, I feel like it's not that interesting.
On the other side, I feel like it was so rare.
I was embarrassed to talk about it. People. I know
you've talked to a lot of people who've been through
similar things. It's this weird it's this weird juxtaposition of
being embarrassed and then yeah, and just I don't feel
like I'm an expert in Christianity. I don't feel like
I'm an expert in ets. But I have had these
crazy experiences, probably my whole life leading up to the
big one that happened in I believe it was February
of twenty eighteen.
Speaker 5: So maybe well, if you.
Speaker 1: Want to walk us through kind of like how did
you first get into the New Age and how did
that come about? And kind of walk us, you know,
through your journey through that New Age movement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been thinking about that a lot. What my
first introduction to it was.
Speaker 5: And I think.
Speaker 2: Since I was really little and I learned to read,
I devoured books of all kinds. My parents were super strict,
so I read a lot, and my grandparents had a
really big library. They had those old encyclopedias and they
used to go through those. But they had one astrology book.
It was the Linda Goodman's Signs Son Signs, and I
devoured that. And so from a very young age, I
was very into astrology. And my stepmother had a little
bit of an esoteric extent to her, like she would
pay for these numerology reports for.
Speaker 5: Me, like as a gift.
Speaker 2: And at some point I got into how my child
I'm forty three was born in eighty one and the
maybe the craft made a big impact in my life.
And so at one year, yeah, so at one point
I definitely had Wiccan books, and you know, I did
the Meiji boards and you know, try to call ghosts
as games like little you know, and it was all
like fun and games. But looking back, you know, obviously
it wasn't. And I was always drawn towards books that
really emphasize characters that were like really good and really evil.
And I had from a very young age, I had
a lot of I'm forgetting what's the word where you
know you're dreaming and you can control your said dreams.
Speaker 5: Yea, I had very young.
Speaker 2: This is kind of all tied to the story, and
I don't really know how, but I remember when I
was five, because I was living in a very specific house,
I used to have these reoccurring dreams where every time
I was like nodding off to dreamland, I would have
to travel through the stars and then I would land
in the dream and the dream would happen, and I
would know I was dreaming.
Speaker 5: I didn't know how to.
Speaker 2: Get back necessarily, but I could control things in the
dream to some extent, and I would hear my stepmom
calling me that it was time to wake up in
the morning, and I would have to fly through the
stars back and then I would wake up. And it
happened so much that I thought it was normal, and
it just stopped happening when I was a little older,
but I had this one reoccurring dream that I would
wake up after I flew through the stars and in
my bedroom surrounded by my stuffed animals. And I had
like thirty stuffed animals in real life and in the dream,
and they were all evil in the dream, and they
would all be talking to each other. And when I first,
when I first started having the dream, I would just
kind of stay still and listen to them and be
scared to death until I woke up, and slowly I
realized they were afraid of the light, and they were
so afraid of me turning the light on, and so
over a period of many many dreams, I got them
to trust me.
Speaker 5: And then when they finally.
Speaker 2: Trusted me, I threw on the light and they were
all still, and I never had that dream again. So
with like adult eyes and having et experiences now, I
wonder if it had to do with that in my
child mind made them into stuffed animals. Anyway, That's just
some background of my childhood. But oh, but I'm also
always raised Christian on top of this, So I was
Catholic my step my father and stepmother raised me Catholic,
and my mother and stepfather were.
Speaker 5: Non denominational born again Christian.
Speaker 2: So I spent my time in those two very different
churches and very much believing in God and having a
really strong relationship with God on top of all these
things I was dabbling with from a young age.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so like when you was doing that sort
of stuff, So this was this just something like you
were doing on your own, because I know you said
some of the books were around and you found them fascinating.
Was this just some like self exploration with you just
within yourself or did you have like a friend group
like at school. You know, I necessarily wouldn't call it
a coven like you know, lack minded people that you
explored these topics and stuff with. Or was this just
something you did on your own.
Speaker 5: I did.
Speaker 2: I looking back, I feel like I was the one
who wrote my friends into it.
Speaker 5: I just had this.
Speaker 2: Interest in that world, which you know, after listening to
so many podcasts on these issues, I do wonder if
it's in our DNA and passed down through families, because
I recently had a talk with my mother and she
has had a lot of things supernatural things happen, although
I don't really feel like she dabbled as much as
I did. But then you know, going back, my cousin
did a lot of research through DNA lines, and you know,
there was definitely a couple two to be exact, accused,
which is in our family line.
Speaker 5: And whether you know they were.
Speaker 2: Just as like women that were supporting themselves financially and
accused of being a witch or actually which is I
don't know. But I find all that very interesting, just
because I was so young when I started having those dreams,
and that was before I kind of dabbled in the
esoteric things. But to answer your question, in middle school
in high school, and I was interested in with and
I was spending a lot of time with myself because
my parents, like I had tons of friends at school
but you know, I wasn't allowed to do a lot
of outside of school.
Speaker 5: Things, so mostly by myself.
Speaker 2: And then I did rope some friends into doing or
trying out some things. But you know, I was really
into colors and helped, you know, you could burn candles
to like get wishes to come true and things like that.
But I kind of went away from it, like I didn't.
I grew out of it, I guess.
Speaker 1: And so when did that transition into I guess what
you would label as new age, Like when did you
start doing the meditation and the career stools and all
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it happened slowly, I guess. I dropped out
of high school at seventeen. I was a really good student,
but I really didn't want to live under my varment's
roof anymore, so I just left school. I had an
older boyfriend and moved in with him, and we traveled
a lot for years out of the country. And then
he long story short, he wasn't a US citizen. He
was Brazilian and he couldn't renew his visa, and so
I had to decide whether to get married at a
very young age live in Brazil or breakup, and we
decided to break up, and I went and lived on
a farm with a bunch of hippies, and I slowly
I got really into the agricultural side. But they also
were like very into esoteric stuff. And it just like
slowly happened, right like I slowly started getting more into astrology.
I slowly started doing more yoga, you know, mindfulllest meditation.
For me, it was about health and balance. Eventually, I
moved to Cambridge, Massachusetts, and I went to school for
holistic psychology, which is the same as regular psychology, except
all your electives are alternative medicine, which lots of yoga,
lots of meditation. I was very into my mindfulness meditation.
I actually wanted to go get my PhD in mindfullness meditation.
You know, it's all I still don't know, Like I
don't feel like meditation is necessarily bad, but I think
if you don't have the faith behind it, you know,
and you don't know who you're clearing your mind for,
you know, it's just such a fine line.
Speaker 5: Looking back. Yeah, idea, that's what prairie is.
Speaker 1: I mean, prairie is is a type of meditation. But
I can't remember who it was somebody was talking about
that and they were saying, basically like, your body is
a vessel, and when you're doing that stuff, you are
emptying your vessel, but you are emptying it and welcoming
it to be filled. So if you're not, you know,
under the umbrella of the Holy Spirit in Jesus Christ,
you're inviting some of this dark stuff to feel your cup,
you know, and as Christians where offering that empty vessel
to Christ and the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it doesn't feel like that at the time,
or it didn't to me. And then yeah, I forget
the yoga too, So I have to be honest. It's
so funny to hear all these words coming out of
my mouth because I've been surrounded by Christians my whole life.
I've stuck up for Christians when people say Christians are
so close minded, and you know, because my people I
love have always been Christian, my parents and extended family.
But when people said things like yoga was evil to me,
I thought they were insane, Like I just you know,
but when things happen to you and I feel like
God just like kind of wakes you up, You're just
you can't not see all the connections and all, like
you know, like you're literally yoking yourself to deities or
spirits or entities whatever you want would call them as
you're doing yoga. It's it's wild. But so I think
I was doing all of that without knowing, right. And
then on top of it, I got really into the
feminist movement in the way that you know, I felt
really driven to make a lot of money and also
not to settle down. And I had many partners and
I drank a lot. I was partying. I was living
like in the Boston area, and all my friends partied
all the time, like we I don't know, it was
just like the norm. It's like you go wild before
you like settle down. And I think, you know, in hindsight,
with that too, I was opening myself up to a
lot of things, just having like multiple partners and yeah,
so it slowly progressed. I ended up getting married and
I actually had a very pagan ceremony. The God wasn't mentioned,
you know, it was like worship and the earth kind
of thing. And yeah, I just progressively went down the
pagan route.
Speaker 5: You probably notice being.
Speaker 2: A witch is very trendy now, Like I was kind
of at the forefront of that, but I never it was.
Really it's interesting because I never felt comfortable calling myself
a witch, like I just I like the circles I
ran with.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I was like, and honestly, it's interesting that I found out,
you know, two of my ancestors were killed for being witches,
which I didn't know until after. But yeah, no, it
didn't feel appilling and it didn't feel empowering. I was like,
that's a very negative word for a very negative thing
that exists. And with all the dabbling I did some
reason innately. Well, I never purposely did anything evil to
hurt anyone or anything, and I never did any like
love spells. I really believed in like free will, you know,
and I there was a line that I just never
would cross with things that I did. So yeah, so
here I am very into the pagan world, which goes
hand in hand with my profession. I'm a professional herbalist now,
which there is a Christian Guild of Herbalism.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I think it's funny I heard in one of the
groups in I heard or someone posted that working with
herbs is like making potions, and it really it really
made me like think about it, and I, you know,
I came to the conclusion that it's really about your intention,
because God gifted us this medicine that's all around us. Seeing.
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Speaker 2: Back to the episode anyway, I'm jumping.
Speaker 1: All over and I do no you know you're staying on.
And you got to think too, because back during the
you know, the Salem witch trials, to someone like you,
even if you wasn't into the New Age, if you
were just a well studied woman that knew the herbs
and knew the remedies and that the cause and effects
and was making tensures and things like that, all it
takes is, you know, one pissed off man or one
really super paranoid woman to run their mouth to the
right people, and then you could be burned at the
stake for just basically being what we would call a
doctor today and be a witch.
Speaker 2: And you know, I did a little research on that,
and a lot of the women that were accused of being,
which is happened to be able to financially support themselves.
So they were herbalists. People came to them to buy medicine,
and they were birth workers and death workers, which is
how like the witches got there, you know, because they're
working with birth and death and magic potions. But yeah,
it's very into that's a whole nother you turned down
that road and.
Speaker 5: Talk about it for hours. But yeah, so that's kind
of my background. I now you.
Speaker 1: Can tell me and some messages that you even got
into if I'm understood, if I understood you correctly, that
you got so heavily into astronomy and astrology that you
would do like readings stuff for people and people would
pay you. Yeah. Yeah, so that was when did that happen?
Speaker 2: So that happened in two early twenty and eighteen, No, sorry,
late twenty seventeen. I it goes hand in hand with
kind of the EH experience, which is really interesting. So
I was very unhappy in my marriage I didn't. I
wasn't connected to God. I we just couldn't work out
our relationship. I felt really stuck, and I essentially quit
a job to start a herbal company that was like
on a whim, and I made like a lot of
changes in my life trying to find happiness, like you know,
like follow your heart, follow your passion. And I remember
I went for a walk in the woods and I
like I prayed, but not I don't know who I
was praying to because I wasn't connected to God at
that time. And I just was like, please give me
like the magic back in my life, like I just
feel so dull and empty and like like please show
me like that there's magic.
Speaker 5: And like whatever. And very quickly.
Speaker 2: After that plea to them is what I just started
having very mystical things happen again. Like I remember I
went outside to look at the moon. There was like
a bunch of super moons in a row where the
moon was like huge, and I went outside by myself
and looked, and all of a sudden, I felt this
rush of I don't know how to explain it, but
like energy traveling down. I was looking up at a
mountain the moon was like behind the mountain and like
just traveling like coming faster and faster and faster, and
I felt like this energy was going to engulf me.
And I had a moment where I was like, Okay,
a minute, let this energy engulf me. And then last minute,
I was like nope, and I just ran to the
house and shut the door. I remember that was like
one of my first experiences like opening up.
Speaker 1: I changed my mind. I changed my mind, and.
Speaker 2: I just like I was like wow, and just like
slowly everything started just getting more literally glittering, and like
I had like when I went for a walk in
the woods, like I sensed like other beings I guess,
and I was like, what's going on. I almost felt
like I was on mushrooms or something and it wasn't.
I did dabble, which so I know what it feels like. Yeah,
everything was really magical and it just slowly ramped up
and then in having it was all like oh yeah.
So in February of twenty eighteen, I was sleeping. I
was still married, and I was like be next to
my husband and we had a skylight above the bed
that I was out, and I woke up because I
heard a NaN's voice say look out the window in
like a deep voice, and I woke up and that
was like echoing my head and I looked up out
of a skylight and I saw, you know, a star,
and there was but I saw stars of the skylight
every night, and I was very afraid to get out
of my bed to look out the actual window, and
so I didn't, and I kind of just brushed it off.
And then the next night I woke up again around
the same time. I didn't hear the voice again, but
I looked up through the skylight and the star was moving,
and I was like, is that in my eyes? It's like,
what's going on? And my friendly like build up the
courage to get up, and I went. I looked out
another window in the house and you could see that
it was moving. It was an orb which I had
never seen before, and I was just in awe and
the feeling I got looking at it, well, it wasn't
I wasn't scared. I was just like an awe and
it was exhilarating, like it was so exciting. And this
happened every night for a month. One would come to
come three with you And I'm bringing it back to
the astrology question. So when this was happening in the beginning,
I was telling my business partner, who was very into
esoteric things, extremely into them. She's like, you should go
get your astrology tour, and I was like, what do
you mean? And she explained to me that it's so
much more than your son's signing. And there happened to
be a woman like one town over was an astrology expert,
and when I got my chart read with her and
I explained it was happening to me like that every
night I was getting visited by these orbs. I wasn't
embarrassed because she was super essential, so I knew she
could handle it. And she was like, oh, you're a
star seed.
Speaker 5: Have you heard of this?
Speaker 1: I've heard it, but I've not really like look deep
into it. It's like basically from a Christian perspective, just
bluntly saying it's like the blood.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so I've just learned about that in the
past year. So essentially, if you're in the New Age world,
a star seed is someone.
Speaker 5: That has like a big chunk of.
Speaker 2: Their DNA is alien, right, so you could be from
the pleats or serious or it's called the Lyras star system,
like there's there's these innate descriptions of all these beings
and she did my chart and she's like, see, you're
clearly a star seed and like I'm like, I'm a
star seed, you know, like I you feel special and.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to feel special and important and.
Speaker 2: What there's weird? There's weird confusing things because I think
there's truth to it, but I can't like pick it
out do like I SA. I'll give you an example.
She sent me to her psychic friend, so I don't know.
Maybe she talked to her before I got there, but
I don't think so. It was a zoom call and
I didn't tell her anything about my personal life or
my children or anything. And I also, I'm not going
to go into detail unless but I had a dream
when I was pregnant with my first fall and it
was that man's voice, like the same one, and it
was like his name will be and I'm going to
make up a name because I don't want to put
it on my hair Lira, And I was like, what's Lira?
Speaker 5: Lira?
Speaker 2: I woke up and I told my husband, like were
naming him a Lira and he's like, no, we're not.
And I was like, okay, So I negotiated to make
his middle name, but I looked up like different spellings
of this word, and I came up with this one
story that the Lerians were the first humanoid travelers in
the galaxy to settle on Earth. And I was not
This was like, yeah, in twenty ten or something with that. Sorry,
I'm making up live now because I don't want to
talk about my children on air. But the story is
what matters. So I ended up spelling it the way
that's talking about that first humanoid race. And I was
not into anything sci fi anything, right, this is a
long time ago. And so then I go to the
psychic right who specializes in star seeds, and she took
one look at me and she's like, you're from Lyrah
and your children are from Lilyrah. And I'm like like
what what is you Like? This is like, you know,
ten years later. And so there's all these things that
like build up that like really make they made me
believe that all of this was really real. And then
I got sucked into the whole story that which is
very similar to Jesus's Second Coming or you know, God
Creve and the New Earth. Essentially, there's a lot of
references to the New Earth in this five D movement,
and that the Earth was gonna bifurcate, meaning like split
into two, and the people who couldn't raise their vibration
would stay on this like very heavy evil Earth, and
the people that were able to raise their vibration could
we move onto this like new five D Earth. Like
people still leave this now. And I believed it then,
And it's connected to the whole Aliens.
Speaker 1: Sounds like if you put Christian lands on it, when
the new Kingdom of New Heaven comes down the ungodly
or outside the gates, you know, right.
Speaker 2: No, it's so it's so interesting, right because it's like
the truth with a twist, you know, and the right
and the twist is in this case, is leaving out
Jesus from the story. So I got heavily into this.
And then you know, in addition to this, I when
this woman read my child, I it was like another
language that I knew. Like some people will look at
an astrology chart and be like, what, like not get
it at all. It was like something clipped in my head.
I was like like I just like instantly got it
and I couldn't get enough of it, and I just
devoured it. And there's really I actually ended up studying
ancient astrology, which is like it comes from Greece and
it's you could study radic astrology, which is not Western,
and I didn't really with that at all, but I
studied the Greek, the Greek astrology, and it just it's
crazy how accurate it is. Like I people did pay
me to do your charts. I didn't start charging for
a year or so after, but the things I could
know about people's lives or their character or whatever, like,
I just like it's real. And I even feel like
God used it to call me back, which is part
of us too, if we get there. And when I
when I got called back, I threw out my tarot
cards right away. That's another thing I was into, right I.
I guess I'll just God called me back so powerfully.
I fell to my knees and just started crying and
like I you know, I didn't hear him audibly, but
I heard him in my head and it was he
forgave me and it was the most loving, fatherly, safe,
like vast feeling that I ever felt in my life.
I felt it when I was younger, because I did
have a connection to God when I younger. And I
was like, I'm so sorry. Like I instantly knew like
all the things I was dabbling in, and I understood
why he didn't want me dabbling in it. It wasn't
because you didn't want me to have fun or to
have the knowledge or experience magic or any of that.
It was because I was opening myself up to these
entities that didn't necessarily want the best things for me.
And one of the first things that he spoke to
me that was tero And he was like, who's giving
you those answers? And I was like my higher self.
Like as I was saying that, I was like, I
am myself, He's my higher you know, it makes sense
when you're in it. But then and he just showed me.
He essentially was like, listen, there's there's beings that don't
want the best for you and would love more than
anything to be embodied and and and I was like,
oh my God. And I instantly got rid of them.
And I asked about astrology and I still feel this
way to the say it's not meant for self study
and self obsession and predicting our own individual futures. It's
meant for us to read signs from the heaven. He's
from God, like you know. And yes, and and there's
a fine line, right because like with knowledge, you can
twist it not what it's not meant to be used for.
Speaker 5: So that comes here.
Speaker 1: Which one thing I did when I asked before before
you go on the voice. You know, you said you
was laying in bed and you heard it, you know,
just audibly, you know, look up? Is that what you said?
Look up?
Speaker 2: Or out the window?
Speaker 1: Look out the window? When you heard that? Was it
a familiar voice? Was it a scary voice? A comforting voice?
I mean? Did I mean? Did it invoke any kind
of emotion from you when you heard that voice? And
the reason why I ask is a lot of people
I've talked to that seems to be a common theme
before uh, a sighting. We'll just say a sighting. I've
heard you say it. I've heard several other people on
different podcasts and given their testimonies. And Gary Steerman he
said he was flying and then he kept hearing look
out the window, look out the window, and he finally
did and he's seen a saucer or something, you know,
flying outside of the window of his plane. And then
another guy, he's the local guy. I talked to him.
He had. He said it was the craziest summer of
his life in I wanted to say it was twenty fourteen,
but he said he'd never had any guy's supernatural experiences.
He said, but that summer, he was sitting in his
living room and he said, I heard a boyish playing
his day go out to the hot tub. He said that.
I was like, no, I'm watching TV. I don't want
to go out there, he said, And I heard it again,
he said. Finally, he said. I just said, all right, fine,
he said. I went out there and sat in the
hot tub. He said, I'm sitting there for a few minutes.
He said, I heard it again. Look up, look up,
he said, And I did, he said, And I just
seen this light. He said, get brighter and clothes.
Speaker 3: And I saw a star and it got really bright
and dim and bright, and damn it did it four times.
And on the fourth time it got bright, it just took.
Speaker 1: Off open and closed, he said, like Paulsey. He said.
Then finally it just and was gone, he said. And
then he said he started seeing having Bigfoot experiences, had
other UFO and ORB experiences in the sky, and he said,
and everything ended the same way it began, he said.
I was out in my hot tub, he said, and
I heard that voice again, look up, he said. I
was like, oh shit, hooked up, he said. And I
saw that same pulsating lot, he said, And then all
my all the crazy experiences that I was having stopped.
So I just, you know, I wanted to ask you,
you know, what was your interpretation of the voice and
how did it make you feel, because that's that's something
you hear often.
Speaker 2: Well, so I heard. That's the thing is I didn't
it was neutral, but it had like authority, you know,
like it you know, it was an it's like very
matter of fact when it happens, you know, like like
it's almost like you have to feel like that's not
normal to hear someone gives that you don't know and
you can't see. And it was you know, it's interesting
for me that happened twice in my life. It was
the same voice when I was con telling me what
to mean him. So it's so confusing, right, Like we
have all this information, all these similar experiences, and I
have no idea. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's it was neutral. That answered your question.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I guess. So back to the that February
of twenty eighteen, because that was probably the whileest wide
I was getting into astrology. I had this esoteric astrologer
who actually became my teacher. I started really studying astrology
with her, and she held a lot of ceremonies. In hindsight,
I don't know who the ceremonies were to, right, you know,
maybe the ets, maybe the god this is. I got
into goddess worship too, which it's so crazy talking about this.
I'm so ashamed of all the things I got sucked
into that were that just felt like so empowered and
normal in a way. So then I'll get to like
the orbs and the ets and everything. But one thing
that I find really interesting that I still don't have
answers to is one day she told me that one
of her astrology clients had almost the same exact birth
child isn't And she's like, that's you know, I've been
doing astrology for decades and it's unheard of.
Speaker 5: That's some weep.
Speaker 2: I've never seen that. And she lived in the same
town and I was like, oh weird, and she told
me his name and I had never met him, and
I was like, oh weird, and I kind of filed
it in the back of my head. And we went
out for tea at a local coffee shop after because
her internet went out for something. And so when we
were finishing up some work we were doing online, and
all of a sudden, the door walk opens to this
coffee shop. And I can't explain other than like time
kind of slowed a little bit, and everything in the
room started getting wobbly, and I look up and this
man standing there and he's like my age and I'd
never seen him before, and we like b locked eyes
and if the whole room's like little wrong, and she
stood up and she's like, I'll leave you too to it,
and I'm like what, And then I realized she was
the guy with this or he was the guy with
the same chart asn't he and supposedly he's like he
didn't really know why he was there. She didn't call
him there, like you know, and so somehow I felt
obligated to talk to him.
Speaker 5: It was very awkward.
Speaker 2: She laughed, things kind of got normal again, and he
asked me for my because he was getting into astrology
and he wanted me to leave his heart. And I
told Hi, I'm like, I'm I'm married, because I felt
like it was like he was, you know, hitting on
me and he wasn't. And he's like, oh no, that's fine.
He's like, I'm really into stology. I'm like, okay. So
we texted for a couple of day days about astrology.
And by the way, the orbs are visiting me during
this time, but I literally only told my business partner
and my astrologer and my husband.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 2: So a couple of days later, I lived in a
pretty rural area. I decided to go shovel a mulch
at a free mult pile in the middle of nowhere,
like you know, you only know about it if you've
lived in the area.
Speaker 5: And one right.
Speaker 2: And I was shoveling, and all of a sudden, I
chuck pulled up and I just looked up and smiled
and it was him and we're and he was like,
you know, we're like, oh weird. So we shoveled mulch
and talked and like in my head, I'm like, okay,
this is you know, getting this a sign, Like.
Speaker 1: There was this guy stalking me, got like a GPS
tracker or something on my car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just and there's no service around where we live,
so it's not even you know, there's nothing like that.
Then another time we ran into each other, so I
can't remember. It was like it was two times after
we ran into each other in very weird places. I
never I lived there for a long time. I never
met me before. And finally we're like, let's meet up
on purpose and go for a hike. So we we
started like as friends, going for like occasionally a walk
or a hike or whatever. And so.
Speaker 5: One day my the astrologer sat me down.
Speaker 2: She was like, I had this vision that I need
to tell you about. So she made me, she made
me sit under like a copper copper, yes, with like
a crystal thing on top, to tell me all this stuff.
And she's like, a, well, well, I heard the orbs
are referred to as marks too.
Speaker 1: It's a chariot, you know, it's a Hebrew word for chariot.
But like a lot of the new agers that they
make that and they meditate inside of it, and some
some people referred to that as as a marcava. That's
the interesting the machine that the there, you know, they
can soul travel in or whatever.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't believe I was anyway, So
I was in there. She did a meditation thing and
then she was like, I saw you and this man
together and like, you know, he became like the stepfather
of your children, like you guys were healing in the world,
like like all this crazy imaging. And I was like,
I really liked this person, this man, but we it
was very friend vibe, like in it there was like
a huge magnetic vibe like or attraction to get us
to come together. But it wasn't. It wasn't like you know,
no I was and I wasn't. Yeah, it was just
so confusing, like the whole thing, right, And I was
kind of like, oh weird. And I had been thinking
about ending my relationship, but I think because my my
ex and I were working through some pretty hard stuff.
Speaker 5: But I think that her.
Speaker 2: Vision and that whole thing like ultimately made me leave
my husband and.
Speaker 1: Confirmation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a confirmation. But like, so this person,
this man is a big part of the whole et thing,
which I'll so I'll come back to that. So I
was talking about the ORBS that would come visit and
it was like the one you were just describing as
your friend. They would pull sate like they would they would, yeah,
get really tight and darker and then like expand and
become brighter, and from far away they were at like
a neon blue would be the main thing. But if
I had videotaped it and you know, magnify the video,
it was a rainbow and like lisaid, a wheel within
a wheel.
Speaker 5: It almost looks.
Speaker 2: Like that science icon with all the roots and the
atom dots on it.
Speaker 5: It wasn't just the orbs.
Speaker 2: I started having these crazy dreams where I was on
a spaceship with you know, uniform, and I had and
my I had a male counterpart that was also in
the spaceship with me.
Speaker 5: He also was in the same uniform.
Speaker 2: And the last time I saw this vision, the me,
the woman that I thought was me, was really worried
about something. Something went wrong. This was this is and
this is.
Speaker 5: What we in the New Age world.
Speaker 2: It's downloads. You just know things without understanding why we
know things. And it it looks like what I got
from the whole situation was there's a version of me
in this three D earth world. And there's a version
of me in this five D E T Europe and
we're the same, but we're just in different dimensions. And
it seemed so normal then, and everyone in this world
talks about stuff like this. It's called soul breeding in
the in the esoteric world. And my male partner wasn't
supposed to come down, but something happened. It seems like
I mess something up and he was like, well, now
I'm going to have to come down. And I woke
up and this was like the end of me seeing
the aliens and having the whole et thing. I think
it was one of my last vivid dreams, and I
was this is where I jumped all over the place.
But I was really upset because I knew they weren't
going to come back, and I feel like I lost
my chance of seeing what they were all about because
I never actually let that energy engulf me. When they
came down and got close enough, I ended up doing
big prayers around my house.
Speaker 5: I don't know about if.
Speaker 2: You've ever had a personal where you've been further away
from God. I've never totally left God, but whenever I
get scared like shit less. Sorry, A very comparison this.
I always in God, like when I'm scared, it's just
so I know. I never stopped believing because it's just there,
you know, like who do I go to first? And
I when I was so scared, when the etues were
around and visiting all the time, I said prayers in
my house. I walked around my house. I was like,
you are not allowed in here unless you were sent
by God. And it worked like they stopped coming in
the house. But anyway, I knew it was going to
be the last time and they were not going to
come back. They told me that, and I was I
was crying, and I was like, if it's like this
meant anything, I know I'm not going to know what
it was about. He was give me a sign and
the sky flashed the neon blue, and I was like, okay,
I'm insane. The next day I had coffee with the
sky and he looked like a little disheveled and I
was like, what's wrong, And he again, I never told
him thing that was happening as far as ets went,
and He's like, the weirdest thing happened. I was looking
at the window last night and out of the woods
came this, like me on blue Flash and he's like,
and then I felt a rush of energy come at
me while I was just staring at the window, and
my head got scrambled.
Speaker 5: And he was like embarrassed telling me.
Speaker 2: About it because he wasn't I can I understand it?
And he's like, I can't explain it. I feel really
weird today, and my head still feels like scrambled. He
kept saying that, and I was just and he was
doing the ceremonies and stuff with me too, so I
feel like maybe he was open to whatever was happening.
But it was like right after I had that dream
of that my male counterparts solebrating. So I still I
never told him to this day, and he essentially stopped.
We just stopped talking. We just kind of fell off
the face of earth. He's real, he exists, The blurry
guys asked me. I know he's got me married. I
know they live in the next time over, but it's
like our path never across again. It's really weird.
Speaker 1: That was I was gonna let you finish your story,
but I was about to ask, you know, did he
just suddenly disappeared and you never seen him again? Like
he was a like a Nordic or something.
Speaker 2: No, he's he's still around. He has like a business
like part of me was like, I why didn't you
like ask his side of the story or if anything happened,
like he could have had this happening. You know, I
don't even know that's something you just bring up in
normal conversation until you hear a million podcasts of other
people having the same experience.
Speaker 1: And La Marzouli, you know, he's got all those films
that he done, you know, just specifically looking into the
UFO phenomenon and got that testimony of Karen Wilkinson.
Speaker 2: Haven't heard that.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if yeah, you need to check that out.
I've had her on the show too, But she's had
UFO experiences since she was like six years old, and
she would actually get abducted, and she said and she
would describe how they would take her and she would
just be in rooms with other kids her age and
stuff like that, and how that basically she got assigned
an overseer, I guess what you'd call it. But he
was there throughout her life and he would appear and
talk to her and when she would get abducted, he
would come in and talk to her and basically grooming
her and said that basically once she got of age,
he raped her and that she ended up becoming pregnant,
went to the doctor, was confirmed pregnant, and like when
she went for like the next checkup or whatever, there
was no heartbeat, the red blood cell count had dissipated
and or the white blood cell count had dissipated, and
they were like, huh, it's like you were never even pregnant.
Are you sure that you were pregnant? And all this
stuff of that that happened to her I think three
times wow, and then one night in her sleep, uh.
Those Uh. She believes those children came to her, you know,
basically like a hybrid breeding program, Like they took them
and put them in an incubator and grew them. Yeah,
she said, once I prayed in the name of Jesus,
you know, she said, they they left. But the she
said that it was just like the black eyed children
how people describe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. So I thank god that it never
got that far. I don't know, like, can you imagine
because people don't believe these things, like and imagine something
die traumatic happening. There's a woman inn a few times over.
I don't know her, but people told me her story.
It's very similar to that. And I don't know how
old is this woman that has happened to.
Speaker 1: She's probably early to mid fifties.
Speaker 2: So I had this weird feeling. I've heard the one
that was in Vermont, and then other people like of
a certain like they're all over fifty. I would say, like,
and then, and then anyone under fifty has don't have
at least all my people I know that have had
you two experiences don't have that as traumatic. I don't know.
It's really interesting. And one of the questions I have
is there you know everyone the big hypothesis is that
they're fallen angels, right, but are there are there regular
angels in the mix too? Or I don't know if
there's any biblical reference. I mean, obviously you know angels
haven't good angels have interacted with us, right, And so
I was so sure the orbs that were visiting me,
and then the dreams I had it felt good, It
felt like.
Speaker 5: Really good.
Speaker 2: I actually was in a ball crying the last time
they came. I had really clear visions that they were
like a parent figures, like a mom and Dad and
then a male.
Speaker 5: Figure that was my age.
Speaker 2: Like I could see them like in my not physically,
but like in my mind's eye, and they were like
pleading with me to come outside, and all I felt
was love for them, but there was something in me
that was so terrified that would not let me go
meet them. Like in hindsight, I did all that praying
over my house, and I feel like if they were
of God or benevolent, my prayers went and have stopped them.
Well obviously if they were, have got nothing want to
stop them from entering my house, but they like adhere
to the barrier, and I kind of feel like they
I don't think the longer I saw with it, I
don't think it would have been a good experience if
I want with them. Yeah, I'm so grateful that something
helped me back, But there's something, this is.
Speaker 1: Something to you that's just we don't have to just
take your word for neither, because you've shown me lots
of pictures and video interaction with these these orbs, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have, yeah, I have my I did have
an iPhone, but it's yeah, yeah, I could email you
them too, if you ever want to put them up.
But I find it in just great because people are
are experiencing more orbs intermixed with the drones like we
talked about.
Speaker 1: And the wheels within wheels, because it's like, you know,
you got all this stuff happening right now in New Jersey,
and like you said, I think it's it's hard to
tell because it's like you have a shmortgash board of
stuff in the sky. You have orbs, you have drones,
you have these things that when you zoom in it
looks like wheels within wheels with the eyes round about.
Just like in Ezekiel and the angels in the Bible,
you can't tell them apart from from humans, right. You
know that they walk up and sit down and have
dinner with Abraham. They eat, they drink, and they're obviously beautiful.
They go into the city of Sodom and the people
want to have sex with them. And so the Bible
tells you too to be nice and kind of strangers
because you could be entertaining angels unaware, right, and you
hear all the stories about the Nordics and all these
different types of UFO and alien entities. I mean, if
you take a textbook definition God, angels, demon Satan. All
these things are not of this world. So on a technicality,
you could easily just slap that ride in there under extraterrestrial.
So right, who's to say if these things ain't using
some type of vehicle and can conveying around and what
we're seeing is them mixed. And also, I mean right, right.
Speaker 2: Well I do the orbs. So back to just because
you brought Merku book before, when I was experiencing those orbs,
and then there was also like an entsity connected to
the orb I was told through down onths. Sounds so
silly to say, but I was not into any of
this sci fi stuff. So it's not like I've been
reading and it got in my head. It's just all
of a sudden I knew these things. It felt to
me like the orbs were a safe way for physical
beings to travel, like like that they that they were
in bigger ships, in physical bodies, but were able, they
had the technology, they were able to come out in
these orbs that look like not solid but almost like
they could be some kind of plasma thing, and like
where their essence is in it, but like their physical
body isn't it.
Speaker 5: That's what it felt like to me, and.
Speaker 2: I even feel like I saw and like I'm questioning
because it's been so long and it was so crazy
at the time, but I felt like I saw like
an actual ship like in the clouds, like kind of cloaked,
and that these things were like flying out of that
was only like once and like you know, the many
many times I saw them.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also one piece of the new h Et
story too, is that there was in the past, there
was a galactic war and that I don't know if
you've heard this, but that's why supposedly the Pleadians were
involved with it, and they call the people of Lyra Thellierans,
and at one point, yeah, there was a galactic war
of like some kind of evil group. I forget what
they're probably like the like it's been so long now
that that's Tomans, you.
Speaker 5: Know, their whole thing.
Speaker 2: But supposedly there was all the mixed races of aliens
living peacefully and serious for a long time until this
galactic war happened. That's why there's such a mix of
beings here on Earth with all different alien DNA and
blah blah blah. It's like a very intricate story that
people that live in that world, believe very clearly. And
I since I've been, you know, reading the Bible with
new eyes. You know, we don't know if God is,
if there was a separate existence before our existence, I
don't think. But I'm not a Bible expert by any means.
Speaker 5: I hope no one comes out.
Speaker 1: A lot of people tossed around, you know, the gap theory. Yep.
I talked to Ryan Peterson on the show and we
talked about it, and a lot of people believe that
there's a huge gap in time between Genesis one one
and verse two because in there it says when you
look into the Hebrew, it says that you know, the
earth was in the beginning. God created the heavens and
the earth, and it was noel and void. You know.
It says that he hovered over the face of the
deep and all that stuff. Well, when you go into
the Hebrew, that was the void without form. Is to
toe who baho who? That I probably butchered that. I'm
Southern man. I can ratter speak English to be easy
on me, guys, but it's something like that to tell
who bobo who? And when you go into the Book
of Isaiah, it says in there that the Lord creates
nothing to tell who bybo who, He creates nothing null
and void, that he makes everything perfect, so that a
lot of people say that they think that he created
the earth and it was perfect, but then you know
there's this huge gap. It could be thousands of years,
and that could explain the age of the Earth being
as old as it is, and that there was a
rebellion or turning over of the Angelic race or the
maybe a Preadamic race, and God destroyed it and hit
the reset button. And that's where verse two picks up
because it's now been made null and void from a
galactic war or judgment, and he recreated and reconstituted everything.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's very interesting, and.
Speaker 1: Like you were saying, all those correlations too that I
see with the LDS Church. I've been speaking with a
couple people that have come out of Mormonism and I've
never really looked into their faith. It's a lot like
scientology according to them, and it sounds so much like
what you guys are saying, like we talked about at
the beginning of the show, with a lot of this stuff,
you do get truths, but it's some of it's been
perverted and twisted, and it's usually the most important parts
that's been twisted and perverted. But in their faith they
say that they are basically star children. They might not
use that exact kind of phrase and verbiage, but they
say that out there in outer space, uh, there's God Elohem,
and he's got his heavenly counsel on all of his children,
and he sends their spirits to Earth, and there he
is having constant sex with all kinds of divine women
in the outer space and creating star children. And if
there's there's thousands, hundreds of thousands of millions of these
souls of little babies that they're that he's having sex
and creating, but they don't have bodies. So his children
that are on Earth, it's basically like a prison planet.
And when you get married and you join the church,
all the babies that you create, they are lifeless bodies
for their vessels for these spirit babies that God has
created to enter. And that there was a divine rebellion
and Lucifer was thrown down. But the ones that didn't
choose a side, that's tried to just stay neutral, didn't
choose a side. As a curse their skin was burnt.
So that explains why you have black people, brown people
and all that stuff, because they didn't choose a side,
and there and there they were cursed, so they're s Yeah,
it's wild and to get back to heaven. If you
do everything you're supposed to do here on this prison planet,
you become an eloheen. You become a god, and you're
giving your own planet, and you and your wife and
your children are the gods and rulers of this planet.
And you start another basically Earth, and you're the god
of that place. And see over it. Oh god, wow, wow,
And this and this is all been given supposedly to
Joseph Smith, and an angel an entity appeared to him
and give him a download and told him all.
Speaker 2: This stuff right right, Yeah, yes, I have heard some
of this, but not to that detail. Yeah, well it's
interesting all you know, all these other religions or.
Speaker 5: Ways to look at like.
Speaker 2: It, it's either you believe in God the creator, or
you believe that.
Speaker 5: We are gods or we have the ability to become
a god and and like that.
Speaker 2: That to me, the New Age is very focused on
that that we are all little gods and gods create
you know, which is it's a even I have. I
have Christian friends who have come from the New Age
that still like, you know, we'll refer to us as
little little g gods and little g gods.
Speaker 1: They're more gnostic Christians.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm just like, I'm like, no, we are.
We are divine because we were made. God made us,
and we're special and we're beloved, but we are not
God's like. And that's where I think, you know that
it gets like twisted.
Speaker 1: You know. And that's the first lie Satan toad in
the garden too. That's something maybe you can bring up
to him and they bring that up and be like, well,
isn't that the first thing Satan told Adam and Eve
he shall be as gods?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: That's the number one line trick, And that's what started
all this crap.
Speaker 2: And that's why I struggle to with. I have such
a quest for the first for knowledge, and I'm like,
you know what, I think we're not meant to know everything,
and so that it's like a big struggle I have
now It's.
Speaker 5: Like what am I meant to know with that?
Speaker 2: And what am I not meant to know? But I
do one thing I find very interesting is so many
New Agers are becoming Christian and it just it's just
continuing to happen. It's it's the norm now in my
world at least, I will just if I have a
one on one conversation with someone, you know, women friends
from the New Age world, they are so interested in
why I love Jesus so much and because they they
saw my journey in.
Speaker 5: The New Age.
Speaker 2: And so I've had the experience with my women friends
just really opening up to it and asking a million questions,
Like every day I'm getting texts like, well, what about
this and what about this? And I'm just I'm not
an expert. So I was like praying to God to
give me wisdom, you know.
Speaker 5: But that's huge.
Speaker 2: But then also I've seen so many women that I
follow on social media or that I actually am friends
with that live across the country, that I'll touch face with,
and then you know, they'll just really like, oh, by
the way, I'm Christian.
Speaker 5: I'm like I am too. It's it's wild.
Speaker 2: I just and you know, as the times are getting
crazier and more people are seeing we tease orbs like
those demon faces you've heard of that right where they
they're trying to normalize that there's a new disorder that
people see demon bases Google that one people. The world's
getting more and more wild, and more and more people
are turning into Christ. I just it's it's a wild
time to be alive.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. And you know you're was really into
you know, astrology and astronomy and stuff like that, and
that's something that you do see in the Bible. But
like you talked about earlier, it's that line you know
to know you know where to stop at, and the
Great Deceee for likes to twist it and blur that
line and pull you past it and make you fall
off the edge, because I mean it says and you
know he hung the moon, stars and all that in
the in the firmament for signs and for seasons. You
know you're supposed to look up and look at these things.
But it's kind of like Paul said, we made the
mistake and we traded the truth for a lie, and
we worshiped the created things instead of the creator. And
I think the same thing with crystals and stones and herbs.
All these things are things that God created, and I
think He created us to use them and even with
the stones. You got the twelve stones in the e
Fod and the Umim and Thummim, and God gives commandments
on how to use them. It's just they got perverted.
And it's just it's all about the heart and how
you what your intentions are, not worshiping these useful tools
that God gave us to use for our benefit and
put the power in those created things instead of Him
right right.
Speaker 2: And giving things to God for the herbs that you know,
help us with our coughs or whatever humans we have with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think there's a ruler or principality because
how Paul talks about you know, we battle not against
flesh and blood, but against rulers, principalities, and spiritual wickedness
in high places. And I really am fascinated with the
whole Deuteronomy thirty two worldview. You know, not only were
the tongues divided, but mankind was divided amongst the sons
of God. You know, and you get into Psalms eighty two.
That's the judgment to those guys is how long will
you rule unjustly? You know, showing partiality of the wicked
you desire to live the eternal life, but you shall
fall and die like any prince. And you see him
in Daniel. And that explains a lot of the evil
in the world today because a lot of non believers
will use, you know, all the wicked and unjust things
going on today and say, well, your God's not real
or he's just real shitty god. Because look at all
of this this stuff going on. It's like, now you're
lacking the Deuteronomy two worldview. Here there's following sons of
God ruling over the nation still. But when I looked
at astrology, you know, astronomy, it's like you are putting
your yourself under the dominion of these with the Greeks
called gods. You know, these stars were gods and you're
yoking yourself to them.
Speaker 2: And and that's I the last like real astrology talk
I had with somebody. The woman was saying how she
was living in a Saturn near she practiced Vedic astrology,
which is different. It's it's you know, from India, and
it goes a lot with all with all the gods
and goddesses that they have. But she was saying she
was in a Saturn year, and saturns in astrology very
restrictive and puts up barriers, et cetera. And she's like,
and so I can't take advantage of she she was
excited about this opportunity, but she was telling me she
couldn't take advantage of it because she was in a
saddurn year. And I was like, I was, I'm like, wow,
you are just giving your power away to this entity.
And I really believe the planets have entities associated with them,
Like I don't know if it's just one.
Speaker 5: I think they are principalities.
Speaker 2: I think at one point God had them in charge
and they're still in charge, but they, you know, have
fallen as well. And I think, you know, I'm still
diving into the Bible all those things that you said,
like i've read, but I have, and like it's still
so much information for me right now and it's very affirming.
But you know, in astrology too, there's there's planets rule
over different areas of the world where you live. There's
a whole type of astrology that's related to that. And
I still have a lot of astrology and knowledge in
my head, even though I don't practice it and I
don't look it up all the time now, and I
just pray to God. I'm like, you are greater than
you know, those entities that are here now, So like
I know that if you want something to happen me
or will be done and not there will. I really
believe that they're real, just because hundreds and hundreds of
charts in my own life too. You know, it's really interesting.
I think this world is so much more supernatural than
we can even imagine.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing lends. I mean, you got a gift,
you got that knowledge base, and you have a different
set of glasses that most people don't have. So I'm
honestly excited to consider you a friend and have you
in my circle because when you're going to be diving
through that Bible and going through this stuff, you're going
to be seeing it with a new set of eyes,
the set of eyes that I don't have, and a
knowledge base that I don't have. So I'm excited to
see what you find because I'm no expert, you know,
at anything, but especially the astrology and the astronomy side
of it. But I've seen all kinds of stuff like
that in there, and it talks about you know, Jesus saying,
you know, I will be with you until the end
of the age. You know, an age that's you know,
twenty six hundred years and it's and it's like you
have all this symbology of the ram during the time
of Moses, and then you move into Pisces. You know,
Jesus his birth brought in the age of Ices, and
then we are now coming to the end of Pisces,
and the next one after that is Aquarius. And the
Book of Revelation tells us in the end of days,
I will pour out my flesh or pour out my
spirit upon all flesh. And was it say knowledge will increase,
the old men will have dreams, and the young men
will prophesy. And like you said earlier, we're living in
an extraordinary time. Knowledge is definitely increasing. People are starting
to prophesy and have dreams. The skies are lighting up
with orbs and entities and get more cryptid sightings. I
mean this. I know every generation since the time Jesus
left has said, you know, the end is near. The
end is near, but we're definitely closer than we was.
You know, yesterday.
Speaker 2: My mother was reused Jehovah's witness, and so I she
became a Christian. When I was a toddler, so I
don't remember it, but she tells me stories from her childhood,
and that's I've been very wary my whole life of
thinking that the end is near because of you know,
how she was they You know, she had so much
trauma from its ending almost every day, right, and also
only a certain amount of can get into heaven. It's
not you know, but I when I got called back
to God and I had that very strong conversation with him,
I didn't have any Bibles in my house anymore. I
had gotten rid of like all of that, and I
I that happened to me a few days before I
went to go visit my family. I have a very
large family in New York, and I got invited very
last minute to stay with my aunt and uncle. And
my aunt when I got there, was like, I invited
you last minute because I didn't feel comfortable with you
coming because of all your pagan tendencies. She's super Christian,
and I was like, oh, this is so funny. And
I just like started crying and I was like, this
is so crazy that I'm staying with you. And she
went and got me. I told her that I was
you know that I came back and she went and
got me a Bible and it was, you know, a
really emotional moment. And I went into the bedroom when
I said good night that night and I having my
Tarot tendencies, I was like, God, this is the first
time I'm opening a Bible and I don't know how long,
Like show me the verse I need to know, right,
and I yeah, I'm like llah, I stopped me. But
I opened up to Revelations twelve. I'm an astrologer, like,
I could not believe it. And I opened it up
and I read it, and I was like, oh my god,
this is so full of symbolism to me. It was
clearly around a new moon in Virgo, you know. And
it took me a long time to realize that the
crown was refrained to Israel and just you know, I'm
gonna butcher it again because I'm not an expert. But
I was going crazy, just like why would God show
me that?
Speaker 5: Why would God?
Speaker 2: Why would I open the Revelations? Like out of all
the you know, crazy wild things that happened in that
people Christians don't even agree on what it means, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's beautiful because it's that's the birth of Jesus.
That's the sign in the heavens. I believe that was
the birth of Jesus. And who's the ones that's seen it?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: The magic the astrology.
Speaker 2: Right right, right?
Speaker 6: I did.
Speaker 2: I turned to that, and to me, it felt like
it was talking about a second coming, and which I
know in the Bible, like every everything has more than
one meeting. I think, like, you know that there's a
spiritual and the physical and then the metaphorical, and you know,
things happened more than once, you know. But I was
I was very confused, and I just kind of I'm like,
I can't obsess about this. I decided to put it away.
And then the next week after I came home from
the family trip, my friend who was a new Christian
who before I became a Christian kind of I noticed
her before it came back to being a Christian. I
was like, oh, it's so interesting that she's a Christian.
And I kind of kept her a little bit of
bay because I don't because I had I thought to
judge me in my ways.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: She randmly comes into my shop for the first time,
like since I've been open, and she's like Lindsay. She's like,
you're an astrologer, what do you think about Revelations twelve
and what's happening in the sky right now?
Speaker 5: And I'm like, like, what are the chances?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Like, what was that twenty sixteen or eighteen when we
had that conjunction come back again?
Speaker 2: So that was I know this. So first of all,
this was last year, last early September twenty twenty three.
And the first one that they everyone was really excited
about was like all the planets were converging on the
crown and it looks Jupiter was between the legs of
the Virgin.
Speaker 1: So they called it a supernova the three together or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I can't remember because I like kind of
discredited that. But the one that happened last year, it
wasn't in the content stellation Virgo, but visually the Child
asteroid was between the legs of the Virgin.
Speaker 5: Right when I was like.
Speaker 2: Talking to my friend about that, reading about that there
was literally an asteroid named Child.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so I was like what And then I
went down this huge rabbit hole and.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, I'm so not a biblical expert, but
I was like, I told there's three people in my
life that are a Christian and understand astrology, which I
think it's really hard to find the two because most
Christians won't even dabble on that, right, and I you know,
I think there's a lot of truth for that. But
then on the other side, astrologers like think Christians are crazy,
you know, because they won't whatever. So I was like,
if revelation is real and it's like a real road map,
like I feel like the next step is like soon,
like very soon, like within the next few weeks, something
really big will happen in Israel. And then forgot about that,
and then October ninth happened, and then I was like, okay.
Speaker 5: Maybe that was like a fluke, like that's huge, right
that happened.
Speaker 2: And then I was like, well again I'm not good
at deciphering all this Bible stuff and all this symbology.
I was like, but my like, one thing, this will
never happen if like Russia and Syria get involved, then
then it's definitely literal. And then like you know what
I mean, like I keep going down the steps, and
then I like second guessed myself.
Speaker 1: I I.
Speaker 5: Without all that.
Speaker 2: Revelations stuff, and like correlating to real world events today
and as being pois for the first time, I'm in
human history as we know it. I know, I feel
like a lot of stuff we've learned, isn't it true?
When they've erased a lot of truth? But like as
we know it, it's the first time ever that there
could be a one world government right where we could
be under mass surveillance, like the people are excited about,
like Elon Musk giving us free Internet, like like that's terrifying.
We're gonna like constantly be connected no matter where you
are in the world, like like how I don't know.
But besides all that, like Mike gut Just and all
the people being called back like overnight to Christ, it
just feels like something's imminute. And on top of that,
you know, I don't know if you've heard this, that
there's where in the last you believe of the two
thousand years or whatever? Have you heard of this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard some people, yes say something about the
being possibly the last jubilee, And I'm not take a
deep dive on it.
Speaker 2: So I suppose I think, and I don't remember the words,
but there's two thousand year chunks right in the Bible,
and so we're in the last jubilee of the of
the two thousand chunks, and Jesus supposedly came back during
the last jubilee of the previous two thousand year chunk,
and so a lot of people are you know, a
lot of people are talking. I'm sure Christians have been
talking about this forever, because it's all new to me
and like exciting, you know, and I'm just like jumping in.
I'm like, here's my opinion when people have been like
arguing forever, like when Jesus is coming back, but it
feels like it's soon. And I also, one thing that
keeps popping out to me is how many Christians are
going to be fooled when the anti gricepends. And I
just it's just like in my head and I know,
I just don't feel like we should give all our
hope and into any man that exists summer today.
Speaker 1: But that's one thing. I did an episode with some
guys and I've lightly looked into the UFO phenomenon and stuff,
but they wanted to talk about the drones over New
Jersey and what you know, we thought about it, and
they knew that I was a Christian and not come
at it with a Christian lens. So they just asked
me to come on the show for that different perspective.
So I just kind of did some light reading and
looked into Project Bluebean. And I've always heard people talk
about it, but I never really looked into it, And
that was the first time I looked into it. And
the only thing I knew was the government's going to
do a fake light show and trick everybody into thinking
it's aliens, but it's really not. That was just kind
of my interpretation or understand of it. But when I
looked it up, it was like this really ornate four
stage process, and it says that first NASA's gonna make
an earthquake or some kind of catastrophe, and through that catastrophe, uh,
there's gonna be new archaeological finds that they supposedly plant
that shakes the faith of everyone on planet Earth. And
then after that they're gonna put drones or lights in
the sky, but they're gonna put messiah figures of all
the different world religions, and then all those different messiahs
are going to converge into one and basically tell everybody.
Speaker 4: It's me.
Speaker 2: It's me.
Speaker 1: These were just finger puppets the whole time, and I'm
the real one. So everybody come to me now. And
then uh, there's wuld be a huge uh war with
aliens that come in this guy because they're gonna they're
gonna portray aliens like an invasion. And then through this
all the world governments are going to unite and it's
going to be a global disarmament and a one world government,
a one world religion. And that that was the the
whole plan supposedly of Project Bluebean. But it sounds a
whole lot like revelation, you know, it really does.
Speaker 5: And it seems like it's ramping up.
Speaker 2: With the with the drones that are confleeting with forts,
like right, so I think there's like some real things
flying around, and then the government drones which are also
everyone's saying they're coming from the ocean.
Speaker 1: Now. Yeah, so I told them, guys, I said, I
think some of it is demonic and filling angels. Some
of it quite possibly could be good angels and good entities,
I said. But then we have a third leg and
intertwined in all this, and that is the world government's
reverse engineered technology that these fallen angels had given.
Speaker 2: To them, right, yeah, right, yeah, And I think like
as new Christians are people that are overwhelmed, and I
keep coming back to us too, Like the way you
know is that they declared Jesus as king. Are like,
is Jesus king to all these religious you know?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: It's that simple?
Speaker 2: I think. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, Lindsey, I know you got to get to get
to those young AND's and got some stuff you got
to do. But is there anything that you want to
say closing, any kind of message to the listeners or
any kind of closing statement that you'd like to make.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for having me on. I love your
show and it's fun to get to know you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I guess just my wish for everyone.
Speaker 2: I think your base is probably mostly Christian that it
is just that you know, everyone feels the love and
peace and acceptance and not needing to search and dive
into all these things because they found Jesus. And with
everything I've experienced and been through and all the questions
I have, it's like the only place I can rest.
And I just wish that for everyone.
Speaker 1: And I know you had mentioned that you're into verbalization.
Do you do like tantures and home remedies and stuff
like that. And if you do, can our listeners find
this online and play some orders. Can you direct the
good listeners to find some of your your home remedies?
Speaker 5: I would that's very sweet of you.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Yes, I have a website.
Speaker 2: It's z Botanicals dot net and yeah, I make I
make everything from beauty products to tinctures and cheese and saves,
and I grow all my own herbs that I used
as well. Thank you.
Speaker 1: How much are you love potions? I like the number nine.
I love potion number nine.
Speaker 5: I'll send you a link.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a nineties reference for all the people out
there that that totally went over their head. Lindsay, I
appreciate you coming on and sharing your testimony, and UH
love to have you back. Maybe we can and go through,
uh some of the astronomical stuff in the Bible and
kind of get your expertise on that stuff. That'd be
that'd be a fun show.
Speaker 5: That'd be awesome.
Speaker 1: Sweet. Well, guys, thank you for tuning in. I hope
you enjoyed that. Be sure to head on over. I'll
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on over and get you some love potions and some
good remedies, non witchy remedies. We guys, thank you for
tuning in and as always a difference between the known
and the unknown is the journey. It's a good journey, guys.
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