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of Indiana joins Last Crusae Versus Least Weapon two?
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Or is it like one two three? And then go
like three? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Whatever you say, coaches.
Speaker 1: Listen to this on three Okay, so it's like one
two and then we go to three. Yes, okay, all right.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, one two, three,
Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Surely you Can't
Be Serious Podcast.
Speaker 1: We're over here having just too much fun for the sun.
I don't know, man, this is so great to go
back to nineteen eighty nine and live like I'm a
little fourteen year old kid again with Riggs and Indy
and just live in these movies is awesome. I know.
Speaker 2: The summer of nineteen eighty nine was so special. And
I want to tell you something about the summer of
nineteen eighty nine. Yeah, did you ever get Entertainment Weekly Magazine?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh heck, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, So they used to come out with a summer
movie preview, and I always I couldn't wait to get
my hands on that because you could plan out, you
know what you were gonna see that summer. Listen to
the movies that came out that summer that are just sequels.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I just I need to preff. I'm gonna,
I'm gonna. I'm gonna tease up an old episode that
we did here. But I mean, like, guys, we've had
an episode that was what was the best year in
the eighties four movies? And the man sitting across the
table from me picked nineteen eighty nine. I get id.
All right, Well, so here's here's some backing on his
decision on why he's picking eighty nine is the best
year in the eighties three moties.
Speaker 2: So you gotta you gotta clear your mind of how
good these movies actually turned out to be and just
go back to like May first, nineteen eighty nine, when
you got your hands on that Entertainment Weekly magazine.
Speaker 1: This is what was coming down the.
Speaker 2: Pipe, ATCHU. Okay, So earlier that spring, we already had
The Fly Part two, We had fletched Lives. We had
Police Academy six.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I love how you started with
what now you got to keep in mind not how
they finished, but how excited we were for how excited
we were. Well, that's right. Okayltz's finest word.
Speaker 2: Hey, listen, he got fired from Back to the Future too,
but he rebounded with the fly thing.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: That summer, you had Friday Night Part two, which we
talked about because the Menendez brother's murders.
Speaker 1: This is crazy, this weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it caused it to go in the tape because
there's no promotions because they killed their dad was a
charge of promotion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Yeah, the guy who was going to be
the big producer was like, yes, we're going to do this,
and then they waited and waited, like why isn't this
guy calling hi us back? Oh? Because his children killed him?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: Yeah? All right, sorry, I'm totally I'm boing bombing your
eighty nine. Let's do it again.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Friday Part two. You have Indy three that summer,
which of course we're going to talk about today. You
have Star Trek Part five. Hey, it didn't turn out
to be great, but you had a Star Trek movie
coming at you that summer. Yeah, Ghostbusters Part two?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: We were excited to see.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, we were. We were right.
Speaker 2: Karate Kid Part three, Yep. You had Leath Weapon two,
which I was freaking fired up for. You had License
to Kill another James Bond movie that summer. Yeah, you
have Friday the Thirteenth Part eight, which we will we
love those movies. You have Nineer and elm Street Part five,
and of course later on that year you get Halloween
Part five, Back to the Future Part two, Are you
kidding me?
Speaker 1: There you go?
Speaker 2: And Christmas Vacation.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I mean there you go.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean just fun movies that they were throwing
at us just because they knew we love that. Now
listen to this. The top three movies from nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because all you did was cover sequels, and man,
there were a lot.
Speaker 2: They were a lot.
Speaker 1: I think seven teen or eighteen of them. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: I want I didn't even talk about it.
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's a record.
Speaker 2: I didn't even talk about Toxic Avenger Part two, right, Okay,
So the top three movies in the US for that year.
Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Batman obviously, which that was the summer of the
bat Yeah, Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade Ye and
Least Weapon too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an incredible summer. It is. It is. Indeed,
don't forget u HF.
Speaker 2: That's a UHF came out that summer, right and Dead
Poets Society.
Speaker 1: I mean it was full of great movies. Oh my gosh,
yeah right, I mean those those two movies belong together
in any double Dead Poe Society.
Speaker 2: UHF. Hey real quick, before we get started in our episode,
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member five bucks a month. Next month. Okay, Jason, So
you remember last episode when we first part one of
these two episodes, we were talking about the history of
the Grail and we found out that diplomatic community is
actually several hundred years, well over a thousand years older
concept than the Grail is. But I said that it
first appeared in stories written by Cretin de Troier, which
is a French guy, right, sure, And so the name
of the story that he wrote, and I have to
tap tip my hat here Melissa Mingle, friend of the podcast,
Patreon of the podcast. I was like, she knows French,
and so I was like, can you tell me how
to pronounce this please? And so the name of the
story was Percival lecent nice. It's really hard to get
that right. But so Grail is g r al in
the French spelling. Okay, sure, okay, so just know that
as I tell the rest of this story. Okay, So
the Knights Templar are a huge part of the indie story, right.
We didn't really talk about them that much, and I'm
not going to go into them, but they're kind of
a secret society like the Freemasons. So what I am
going to tell you about is this guy.
Speaker 2: Wait, manit now they're a real society.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Knights Templar are real.
Speaker 2: Ok yeah, Oh heck yeah, they protect the grail.
Speaker 1: That's the rumor. Ok yeah, okay, right, So there was
a guy. His father left Portugal to escape being a
part of the priesthood, and so he went to Rio
de Janeiro in Brazil. This is back in the eighteen hundreds, ok.
And his dad made quite a bit of money. And
this guy's name was Antonio Augusto Carvallo Montero. I'm just
going to call him Carvalla Montero, all right, sure. And
so after his he had inherited his father's fortune, he
made it exponentially bigger because he was brilliant. He spoke
like five different langesguages. Was a freemason, was a bibliophile,
like what I mean. He got his law degree from
the University of Columbia. It was part of scientific societies.
I mean, this guy was as educated a guy as
you can get, but he was also into the occult.
He kind of reminds me of a much smarter Walter Donovan. Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
so I know that he had he must have had
his Grail diary. So ultimately what happens is he goes
back to Portugal and when he's there he buys this
old castle that was is called the Kenta de Regularia
and you can still go there today. I showed you
a picture before we started the podcast. Is big ornate,
beautiful castle in Portugal. Now what's interesting though, is not
the top part of the castle, but this pit that
they have, and basically it's like a well. It's like
an inverted steeple. Okay sure, And so he bought this place.
This well is called the initiation Well because one of
the prior owners of this castle, before he got it
in eighteen ninety two, several hundred years before, it had
been owned by the Knights Templar. And it's believed that
the initiation well is where they would go down and
do their rituals like the Freemasons do and stuff like that.
So the interesting thing is is that as you go down,
I mean, and it goes down several hundred feet like
it's very deep. Right. In addition to that, there are
all these rooms that kind of shoot off to the
side that are not really rooms. They're like caves that
I mean, they spiral through the mountain that this castle
is next to for over five miles. It's like a
network of tunnels into the mountains and some of them
go underneath cathedrals. I mean, it's it is crazy, right, yeah, Okay,
So there's also a whole lot of grail symbolism at
this place, including this the first king of Portugal. Right,
so this is this is hundreds of years before first king,
first King of Portugal has a seal you ready for this? Yes,
is so great. So think about the word Portugal, all right,
and it's in Portuguese, so it's not gonna be exactly.
But we've got a P A U, A, R, A,
T A, G an A and an L all in
there right that and there it is a circle with
these letters almost like they're going in a clock but
kind of pitpat out of order. Right. If you take
these letters and rearrange them, you could get Portugal, but
you also could get poor t o Garral, which means
through you the grail whoa. And so it is believed
that the grail, if there is a real grail, very
likely could be in this castle in one of the
tunnels or something like that, and that is what Carvallo
Montero was looking for.
Speaker 2: That is a great story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is.
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure where we're going, but that that finished
up grade.
Speaker 1: Good job, thanks, excellent.
Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna switch back over to Indiana Jones three.
Speaker 1: You talk about the cast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it, okay, So number one, you've got
Harrison Ford.
Speaker 1: Archaeology is the search for fact not truth.
Speaker 2: Other than Mel Gibson, maybe the biggest movie star in
the world at this time in nineteen eighty nine, I
can't think of anybody bigger. Sure, this is his third
Indiana Jones movie. He's forty six at the time he
does this, and he is a stud and he's.
Speaker 1: Killing it awesome. He is. I mean, you just think
of it if you watch the behind the scenes on this.
He's riding that freaking horse like he is riding it
all over the place, and it's full throttle riding that horse.
As a matter of fact, his hat kept coming off
like that was the biggest problem was they couldn't keep
the hat on his head because he was going so
fast on these horses. That's two years younger than I
am right now, And I gotta tell you I wouldn't
be doing that crap with a horse. I would not
be running around, flying off stuff and having caught on
the side of a tank that they just made out
a plastic and chewing gum the day before. What right,
it's crazy.
Speaker 2: The quote Billy Crystal in City Slickers.
Speaker 1: My ass here is just looking at that.
Speaker 2: You also have Sean freaking Connery as Doctor Henry's Jones.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean when they when they decide that they're
gonna the storyline is going to be the reunion or
the father and son relationship, right, that's the key ingredient.
They're like, who do we get to play the father?
The very first thing that Spielberg says, you just think
back to that day on the beach the Sandcastle, Indian,
and Jones's father has to be James Bond, and it
has to be the first James Bond, and it has
to be the best James Bond. It has to be
Sean Connery. And so fortunately Sean Connery read the script
and he liked it.
Speaker 2: He was delighted, I find But if I just God
was think.
Speaker 1: Solution presents itself. He however, is a guy He's an
actor who will look at a script and he will add,
he will take and it is like a study for
him where he will go in and he will he
will say, okay, this is this character is missing certain aspects.
We need to develop these aspects. And he brought that
to the table, like he changed who Henry Jones was.
He said the character was a little flat before he
got involved. But then he gets involved, brings ideas. I
think he was supposed to be more like Calvinists originally,
and obviously this is he falls more on the Catholic
side of things once we get our final picture here.
But he brings these ideas to the table. They take
that to Jeffrey Baum, and that is how we get
Henry Jones senior.
Speaker 2: Gosh, you know, they tried to get him back for
Crystal Skull and he wouldn't come back because he read
the scripts like, guy, this is not any good.
Speaker 1: I'm not coming back once again. He was right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, he had had an averse too big name
franchises because of his Bond experience. Right, he did not
want to get buried in paparazzi and all that crap. Again,
Sean Connery experiences kind of a resurgence during this time. Yeah,
so he does play James Bond again and never say
never again, like he said. In eighty three, he wins
the Oscar for Best Supporting Actor for The Intouchables. Great movie,
great character. He does In the Name of the Rose
in eighty six. He does Highlander in eighty six.
Speaker 1: We talked about that, and then he goes on.
Speaker 2: He does The Presidio in eighty eight, he does Indiana
Jones in nineteen eighty nine, and then he does Hunt
for October. He's doing Rising Sun, First Night the Rock.
I mean, he goes on to all these great movies
in the nineties where he is just like Highlander two,
but he experiences a total career resurgence from The Intouchables.
But you know, he was only fifty eight at the
time he filmed this.
Speaker 1: So he's only twelve years older than Harrison four years
older than Harrison Ford.
Speaker 2: And it was his idea that Henry Jones Senior and
Indiana Jones had slept with the same woman. That was
his duation.
Speaker 1: That's right, Yes, and it's believable, yes, which is again
funny because she's twenty one, three, twenty three. Yeah, she's
twenty three years old, and now she's playing an older
person because she's a doctor and you're just not going
to probably be a female doctor PhD kind of person
in the thirties at that age. But still with Sean
Connery ever, not bettable. I don't think so. I don't
think so.
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about Alison Didy real quick.
Speaker 1: Okay, I never expected to see you again. I'm like
a bad penny. I always turned.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 2: She was twenty one twenty three at the time this
movie was made. Her character was supposed to be twenty
nine doctor Elsha Snyder, doctor Elsa Schneider.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know if you know this or not.
Speaker 2: She is the youngest Bond girl to date. Really, she
was a Bond girl in A View two a Kill
she was eighteen years old.
Speaker 1: Connection.
Speaker 2: Nice, there you go, so Roger Moore Bond movie. But still, yeah,
Bond girl. She doesn't do a whole lot after this.
She's Irish playing Austrian.
Speaker 1: Yeah you buy that Austrian accent, do? Yeah. She talked
about being surprised that she got picked at all, of course,
and then it's a significant amount of time between the
time that you get picked to do something in the
time that filming actually starts, and so she worked really
hard on her accent. But yeah, I buy it. I
do too. I think it's great.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is how you start goodbye in Austria,
and this is how we say goodbye in Germany.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she could have talked like jar Jar binks and
I would have said it was a great, great job.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about River Phoenix for a second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I crossed an important artiffact. It belongs in a museum.
Speaker 2: River Phoenix was almost eighteen years old. He when he
plays the part of Indiana Jones.
Speaker 1: Young, right, Henry Jones or Junior, don't call me that.
Speaker 2: That sequence at the beginning is so awesome. Yeah, you
actually get to see Indiana Jones being made, being forged
in that scene.
Speaker 1: Well, let's let's talk about that a little bit, shall we. Yeah, okay,
So number one, he's probably stealing his first artifact. So
that's a that's a major life moment.
Speaker 2: It belongs in a museum, right Number two.
Speaker 1: At that time, At that moment, the other kid, the
heavy kid that he's with, is scared and he's like
it's just a snake, and he throws it away like
it's no big deal, right, so you're like, oh, that's
a different Okay, Well he ends up on that train
and so we've got he's stolen his first artifact. Then
he falls in the pit of snakes where he's completely
covered in the pit of snakes. So there's life point
number two. Now he has a fear of snakes. Then
he ends up in the lion's car. Yep, so what
does he do. He runs to the wall and finds
the bull whip, and we can tell this is his
first time to ever use a bullwhep. But there's life
event number three. Then when he uses the bullwhip, he
cracks it and it gives him the scar underneath his chin,
which is a scar Harrison Ford actually has. And then
once he finally I mean, you can tell that the
main guy, leader of the guys who were getting Coronado's cross,
is very much in Indiana Jones looking guy. And at
the end of that whole sequence, what happens is he
gives him his hat. So in one maybe hour and
a half period, he has developed five to six major Indiana.
It's quite a day. It's quite a day. It's so great, right, yeah,
I mean, watching it on the Big screen.
Speaker 2: I was dazzled by these these life changing events happening
in front of my eyes. Yeah, you know, it's the
it's the Leonardo DiCaprio point at the screen. Hey, that's
the that's the scar that Harrison Ford has.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that guy's got a hat now you know.
Speaker 2: Now I did read that the original idea for that character.
They call him Fedora, like he doesn't have a name.
Speaker 1: He lost today. Kid, does this mean you have to
like it? That was supposed to be Abner Ravenwood at
one point. Oh that's interesting. Yeah, because for those who
are not as nerdy as we are, Abner Ravenwood was
Marion's father, who Indiana had worked with ten years earlier
from Raiders of the Lost Art.
Speaker 2: That's it his mentor. So that opening scene is just
so good.
Speaker 1: By the way, By the way, did you see the
name of the chip What was it? The Coronado? Oh? Yes, subtle,
love it subtle.
Speaker 2: By the way, the Jones family House is a bed
and breakfast that you can actually stay in. I think
it's in Alamosa, Colorado.
Speaker 1: We gotta buy ticket, let's go. Yeah, Oh dude, that
is awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's talk about Denham Elliott for a second.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad he's back, and I'm so glad that
they really fleshed out his character on this one. He's funny,
he is great. Yeah, he is great. Oh but I
have a complaint to Lodge against No surprise Disney. So
my subscription to Disney has commercials now. It didn't used to,
but they changed the plan on me and it has
commercials now. Right, So you know the scene where they're
where he's they find out that Brody is the one
that has the diary, right, and.
Speaker 2: He's like anyone around here to speak English?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well yeah, So the scene the scene before that
is Indy saying he speaks seven languages, he knows every
custom in every village in a hundred different countries. He
will blend in, he will disappear, you will never find him, right,
And then that the hilarity is cut to Brody walking
around with feathers on his face and does anyone speak English?
Speaker 5: Here?
Speaker 1: Can you help me find where I'm going? And he's
obviously completely freakin' Disney sticks a commercial right at the
point that it's like he will disappear. Click commercial, I'm like,
you interrupted the joke. What is wrong with you? Well,
it's Disney, that's what's wrong with you. Yeah. My daughter
was like, Dad, it's okay. I'm like, it's not okay.
And so I like, she's like, do you want to
just rewind it so I can see how the joke goes.
And I rewind it and she's like, oh, I don't
get it. I'm like, oh, had we gotten it on
the first go round?
Speaker 2: By the way, he passed away from AIDS related tuberculosis.
I did not know that. Yeah, okay, let's talk about
John Ryce Davies for a second.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I love him saw Yeah, he's so good
and he comes back. He's just as full. He is
exactly the same as Raiders, which is perfect.
Speaker 2: He adds some levity.
Speaker 1: He's a friend. You know, I said, no camels. You
have six camels hit out. This is to make up
for my brother Loves.
Speaker 2: Car that one scene when he finds Brody. He actually
finds Brody on the street and he's look here, this
is a brand new newspaper.
Speaker 1: Run. Did you say run?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about Julian Glover for a second. Okay,
he's the guy who plays Walter Donovan. Yeah, great, British
plays an American. Yeah, for you Star Wars nerds, he
plays General Verers in the Empire strikes Back.
Speaker 1: He's like the pilot of one of the ad ads
that like in like Empire. Right, he's the one who
targets the power generator. Yeah that's right. Okay.
Speaker 2: He's also, get this, the main bad guy in a
James Bond movie. Really, he plays Cristado's in For Your
Eyes Only. Oh okay, so another Bond connection there. Nice, nice,
No Sean Connery, but still Bond. And if I remember right,
the guy who plays Hitler is also in Star Wars
and he's in Empire strikes Back. He's the guy gets
choked out by Darth Vader.
Speaker 1: First over the screen. Yes, yes, he's.
Speaker 2: As clumsy as he is stupid.
Speaker 1: Oh fantastic. Yep. A lot of Star Wars connections there.
Speaker 2: So Michael Byrne is the guy who plays Ernest Vogel,
the till SS colonel. Right, this is how we say
goodbye in Germany.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I prefer Austrian.
Speaker 2: Here's the interesting thing about him. Yeah, he and Harrison
Ford were in a movie in the seventies called Force
ten from Navarone, which are buddies over at the film.
I podcast did a guest on nice.
Speaker 1: Great sort of war movie.
Speaker 2: It's the sequel to the Guns of Navarone, right, and
Harrison Ford plays in America and he plays a German.
Speaker 1: No surprise there talking about him. I just have to
mention something as I rewatched it this time, there were
a few points in the movie that I was like, really,
guys were really stretching the reality this far. When when
Harrison Ford when they're on the Zeppelin, right, and he's
walking around pulling people's papers down so that he can
see them. And Harrison Ford has knocked out the ticket
clerk and taking his hat and his coat, right and
is asking people for tickets now, and he pulls down
the paper in front of Henry Jones Senior, and their
eyes meet and he's he's like, Harrison Ford, Indiana comes
over and he's like ticket, sir, And he turns around
and he knocks him out and then he throws him
out of the plane, right yeah, and he's like no ticket, right,
and everybody grabs her tickets, right, Yeah, that's all great,
yeah gold. Yeah, He's thrown into this big pile of
suitcases luggage, yeah, which you would think would probably be
going on the plane, but maybe six and a half
seconds later, the zeppelin has launched right and is well,
it's at least three hundred feet in the air, and
he's waving his fist angry. Late I'm like, well, how
did that just happen so fast? And why didn't they
take their luggage with them? But that's it. That's just
one of the small moments that I was like, well, guys,
luggage pile in here, right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've got a credible nugget that I want to
share with you on the cast of Indiana Jones and
the Last Crusade.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Now, as we.
Speaker 2: Know, during the filming of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade,
River Phoenix plays young Indiana Jones. We know, of course,
tragically that River Phoenix passed away at the Viper Room
in Los Angeles on Halloween nineteen ninety three. Oddly enough,
Sean Connery also passes away on Halloween. Oh whoa, except
it's twenty twenty right, Holy cow, which means, despite their
vast age difference in the movie, yeah, Sean Connery outlived
him by an extra twenty seven years.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, pretty incredible. Yeah, two incredible guys. Okay, that's awesome.
All right, are we ready to jump into some tidbits,
some fun facts the production. Yeah, Himmi of Lethal Weapon
notableth Okay, So, as we talked in our first episode,
the character of Leo Gets is partially inspired by Joel Silver,
and as I mentioned, Joel Silver was also the producer
of Diehard. You got it. In the scene where they
very first meet Leo Gets, the guy comes in with
the room service, right yeah, yeah, and they go fly
it out the wind like they fly it out the
window end of the pool. Great scene as the waiter
comes up out of the pool. If you look in
the background, you can see the Nakotomi Plaza. Did that
just flow your mincy? Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh that is fantastic.
Speaker 1: I gotta go watch that. Now you have Diehard and
leath the Weapon on screen at the same time in
the same movie.
Speaker 2: Yep, Wow, that's fantastic. You know, let's talk about that
scene for a second, because you know, we talked about
how when Jeffrey Bohm wrote the script for Leath Weapon two,
he wrote a funny version and an action version, and
Dick Donner told him buy him.
Speaker 1: Make it both right.
Speaker 2: So that scene when Riggs and Murtas show up, you
have a funny introduction of Leo gets and then they
bring in the room service guy, and you jump from
funny scene intro Leo gets to he pulls a gun out,
Rigs jumps across the table, tackles both of them. They
go out a window and fall ten stories.
Speaker 1: Seven floors up. I guess, so that's right, you didn't
follow me out the window. So floors up and he's.
Speaker 2: Punching him in the swimming pool. But you have this
fantastic like overhead POV of them dropping into the pool.
By the way, I have a version of Lethal Weapon two.
Doesn't say it's a special edition.
Speaker 1: None of that. But I'm watching it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I have never seen that scene before. Well,
it turns out that threw in a couple of additional scenes. Okay,
When Riggs and Murta entered the hotel that they're going
upstairs to meet Leo, there's a hot tub, three lovely ladies,
and Murta has to tear Rigs away from getting into.
Speaker 1: This hot tub.
Speaker 2: And I'm watching it, going, I have never seen this before.
Speaker 1: I have not seen that scene at all nice kind
of fun. That's great. Okay, So the one kind of
sad and emotional. I mean, obviously you've got Riggs is
mad because he's found out that Adolph has killed not
only his wife but his brand new love interest. Right,
that's an emotional scene and tough, right, Yes, But there's
another earlier emotional scene that kind of sets that all up,
when Riggs is in the kitchen talking to MARTA's wife.
She's found the gold pin, right, yeah, and he gives
her the whole story behind the gold pin and how
that's related to the death of his wife. Okay, so
sad part of the movie. So as you're kind of empathizing,
you probably don't realize what Riggs is doing.
Speaker 2: He's making chili.
Speaker 1: Do you know what he's doing to the chili is
the adding oreos? He is adding oreos to the chili.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've never noticed that before. Yes, Wow, what do
you want you chili with oriols? Oh my gosh, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Hey, and I actually want to try chili with oreos. Now,
I'm like, wait a minute, that might work. Like I've
heard of people putting chocolate in in chili before. Maybe
oreos actually would work.
Speaker 2: Hey, if we ever have a like a surely get together,
we need to have chili with Oreos. Hey, I do
want to talk about the scene you mentioned before. First
of all, let's back up. You have all types of
things that are set up and paid off that work beautifully.
At the beginning, Riggs takes a bet that he can
get out of a straight jacket. He's got five minutes
to get out of the straight jacket. And there's a
guy who worked at psych Ward. He's like, because I
worked at psyche Ward, you'll never get out of this thing.
And he says, oh yeah, I watch this, and he
separates his own shoulder and that allows him the flexibility
to get out of the straight jacket. And then he
of course has to put it back in. And it's
a setup that pays off later. But it's a funny setup,
and it's like, this is like a screenwriting class.
Speaker 1: Why do you do this to yourself? Who else am
I going to do it? Right?
Speaker 2: It's so enjoyable you don't realize that they're dropping obvious
hints for later down.
Speaker 1: It's Chekhov's gun. It's like if there's a gun on
the wall, and in Act one, somebody better be getting
shot by act three.
Speaker 2: Right, So later on in the movie, and here's the
other thing. So later on the movie Forstead which he
calls Adolph, it's the bad guy, it's the main henchman.
He's talking to him and he says, hey, you know,
we put a hit on and you got too close
to us.
Speaker 1: A couple of years back.
Speaker 2: We put a hit on in you and I drove
forced your car off the road went down. That was
your wife, right, Yeah, so you have a payoff from
Lethal Weapon one. Yeah, that's set up way back then.
Two years prior when Leith the Weapon one came out,
you finally found out who killed Vicky Riggs, and Martin
Riggs is like had just healed from this and now
he's it's open wounds again. And not only that, they
throw him in the water and there's this brand new
girlfriend and she's dead. You talk about shocking and angry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a great sequel. I mean, so I
realized we're kind of I'm getting ahead of this a
little bit. But this made more money than the first
movie did. Sure, Like the first movie was a huge success,
like fifteen million dollar budget made like one hundred and
twenty million this one made even more money. It's the
most successful movie of the franchise. Actually. Yeah, But something
that they had in this movie that they didn't have
in the original Lethal Weapon was Mel Gibson's gun. He
had a different gun in this movie. Okay, in this
one he had a read a ninety two FS and
he used it again. W three, he used it again.
Leath the weapon. Four, blow your mind again.
Speaker 2: I know where you're going. I got it.
Speaker 1: Did you have your Season's Greetings tape with you?
Speaker 2: My gosh, this is John mcclean's gun from die Hard.
Speaker 1: He is using John Wine's gone from Diehard.
Speaker 2: That is like the holy grail of the action movie
making in the eighties.
Speaker 1: Yuh wow, not just die Hard, Diehard too and Diehard
with a Vengeance. So literally they're trading the gun back
and forth to each other. I kind of wish there
was a moment where, like their guns get mixed ups
in one of the movies. Hey, I was talking to
Jeff Johnson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he and I both kind of enjoy this kind
of idea of movie mashups. You could easily have Sergeant
al Powell working at the same police station as Riggs
and Murta wouldn't it have been cool if they'd have
worked in Reginald L. Johnson, just even if he just
walked by the screen.
Speaker 1: You're like Al Powell just a nod, Yeah, just a
what's up? Nod? Yep?
Speaker 2: How cool would that have been?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, there's another scene I got to talk to you
about for Leath the Weapon two.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: I mean both of these movies are full of classic
movie moments. But when Murta goes everybody's out of town,
he pulls out his favorite fishing magazine and he starts
his you know, day off with who Morning Constitutional Library. Yeah,
his moment alone, and he sits on the toilet and
he realizes when he looks over the toilet roll, it's
been written boom, You're dead, Which that's not very you
know smart if you're a hitman to alert the person
that you know you're putting a hit on them. So
he goes missing. They send Riggs over to look, and
Riggs bust in. Of course, Leo gets his run around
the house like you know, Wiley coyote, and they realize
that there's a bomb attached to this toilet, and you
have this great scene between Riggs and Murta where it's
emotional number one and he does it all kind of
with his facial features and he's like hey man, and
Rig's like, I know it's unspoken. I love you right
and thank you essentially, and Riggs is like, hey, I'm
I'm here with you. I'm gonna stand with you. We're
going to do this.
Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's great scene where he pulls him about, they
pull the curtain down and kaboom, the toilet blows up.
Speaker 1: It's just a great funny scene. You know, it's a
great funny scene. But you're right, it's an emotional scene. Like,
at no point are they more vulnerable and more connected, Like.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm gonna die on the toilet.
Speaker 1: Guys like you don't die on the toilet. Yeah, Like,
and it's you're right. He doesn't say words, he just
expresses it visually and he's he is. It is the
way that we see that they could not be closer
than any other two human beings. When he when he's
trying to tell him get out of here Riggs, and
Riggs just looks at him and then looks back at
Martn is not like it's just not even a question. Right,
I'm not going. I'm not going. So yeah, it tells
you how close they are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's fantastic. The chemistry is so on point.
And right before that moment, you have a really great
laugh out loud moment. Riggs is like, man, I got
to get the bomb squad in here. Get I got
to call all these people. And he's like, hey, man,
give me a break. I'm on the toilet, you know.
And he's like, oh no, I'll keep it low key.
And the next scene is like firetrucks and sirens of
people running everywhere. It's so funny, but it is. You
have an emotionally charged moment there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, So Riggs's place, it's just the nastiest place
in the world. Okay, it's so disgusting. Joe Peshi cleaned
it up for him, right, Well, okay, so that's what
I'm gonna talking about. Okay, So there's that scene where
Joe pesci is he's cleaning up like he's cleaning up
riggs His place, and it looks like he moves it
from looking like a college dorm to looking like a
bed and breakfast. Right, he is amazing what he's done.
With a vacuum cleaner where But when you come in
on that scene, all right, Leo is singing a song.
Did you notice what the song was? No, the song
is called I'm Not Scared? Is this the Patsy Kinset song?
This is from the short lived British pop group Eighth
Thunder with lead singer patsiekins It. You got it? Yes,
mad is fantastic.
Speaker 2: Okay. Another payoff that comes down the road is just
a minor thing when Riggs is changing TV channels and
he comes to the Three Stooges.
Speaker 1: Three Stooges, right because and it is from the extended
version of Lethal Weapon one because I don't think that
scene was in the theatrical cut, but you see him
in the extended cut. He picks up a prostitute. That's right,
and you've, you know, all of a sudden you're like, ooh,
this guy may be not the good guy that I
think he is. Right, And the reason he's picking up
the prostitute is he's taking her home so they can
watch Three Stooges. And by the way, Moill Gibson huge
Three Stooges fan. And of course then that leads into
the bursting into the office with the fish tank.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Okay. So have you heard of the Mandela effect? Yes,
I mean we all have at this point, right. You
know why you told me about that? You know why
it's called the Mandela effect.
Speaker 2: Though, because people misremember things about Nelson Mandela.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like there there is a significant contingent of the
population that believe Nelson Mandela died in the nineties sometime, Okay, right,
And I mean if if you're unfamiliar with this, it's
like a significant contingent of the population believes it's beren Steinbars,
which I believe until I read it to my kids.
I'm like, why is it baron Steinbars? Like something happened
in the matrix and they change the letters. Dilemma has
no inn in it. A lot of people think dilemma
has an inn and dilemna, but it's not. It's never
been that, but for some reason a lot of us
feel that way. Okay, anyway, back to Mandela. Mandela, without
getting too political on things, but he's a huge part
of the apartheid issue in South Africa. He was imprisoned,
ultimately released, ultimately became the President of South Africa. After
apartheid had ended, but they were already making movies about
him in the eighties. As a matter of fact, there
was a movie in nineteen eighty seven It is just
for HBO. It wasn't at the theaters, but that movie
in nineteen eighty seven called Mandela. You know who played Mandela.
Speaker 2: Sidney Pottier, Danny Glelover, Danny Glover. Dang it. You were
setting up for that and I should have easily picked
that up.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Hey, there's a little nod to Lethal Weapon two in
Lethal Weapon four.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: It has to do with Chinese immigrants and Myrtaw believes
he's free enslaves. But on the refrigerator there's a sticker
that says stop Apartheid, which is a nod back, of
course to Leith Webbon two.
Speaker 1: It's been on the refrigerator since Leth A wepon ion.
I noticed it whenever I saw when we did our
really did Our Lethal Weapon versus Diehard episode. I noticed
as I was watching movie the stop Apartheid sticker was
on the refrigerator in the very first movie.
Speaker 2: Oh that's cool, Okay. I want to talk to you
about my least favorite scene in the movie. Actually least
favorite's kind of strong. But the scene that just doesn't
seem real to me, okay, is when Riggs is going
to go to the house on stilts, hook his truck
up and tear down the house on Steltz.
Speaker 1: It is ridiculous. It's ridiculous, Like it's the truck is
bouncing back and forth like it's on a Looney Tunes cartoon. Right,
I mean, what an incredible flaw and architectural architectural design
to allow it to be able to be pulled down
by a pickup truck. Yeah, I mean, I get it's
a duly, but.
Speaker 2: Come on, he's gonna pull his axe allout.
Speaker 1: So that scene cost one hundred thousand dollars really five hundred,
I don't know that I would call it worth it, Like,
I mean, it was, it's impressive what happened, but it
was like, is the payoff really that great? Yeah? I
don't really think so. Yeah, but I don't I don't
think so. Yeah. No, I agree with you. It takes
away the fact that the way that he's doing it,
like if he had a win and there was some
sort of something that looked more than just like I'm
giving it all the gas I can give it. That
would have been better. But yeah, yeah, it was. It
was a little ups and stem.
Speaker 2: That actually is like the one thing that came over
from the Shane Black script.
Speaker 1: It is the only thing that came over.
Speaker 2: Right, yeap, not a fan of that. Plus Leo was inside, right,
Leo was inside.
Speaker 1: Oh come on, well he he gave Merta the signal
watch for my signal.
Speaker 2: You know, we touched on it last episode. In fact,
we talked about it pretty good. But the condom commercial
at the beginning of the movie, it's one of those
chemistry moments because Riggs is over, you know, he's got
his shoes off, he's sitting indiansile on their couch and
there's little subtle things like Nick gets your feet off
the table and they're climbing over the stairs, just every
day Americana stuff, and they're all excited to watch Rann's
debut on television. She's a budding actress. And you realize
that it's a commercial for condoms. Yeah, and then for
the rest of the movie there's this Hey, that commercial's awesome.
Speaker 1: She makes me want to buy rubbers. That line, Yeah,
that's the carpenter who they call McGee. Yes, the actor's
name is actually Jack McGee. Yeah, and he improved that line.
He was like, well, what's wrong with the commercial? Makes
me want to buy rubbers? It was I mean, what
a great moment for such a small part to be
able to take it.
Speaker 2: That's so funny. And then of course later the police
guys bring a plant covered with condoms and.
Speaker 1: Put it on Christmas tree because it is a Christmas movie. Yes, okay.
Speaker 2: One last scene I want to talk about is Riggs's
death slash non death at the end of leath Weapon too. Okay,
So you know, Riggs super pissed because now he's got
Rika and Vicki that he's trying to avenge.
Speaker 1: He's not a top tonight, Roger. This is personal, right.
Speaker 2: They get caught in that giant container. They blow the
car out and there's money everywhere. They set fire to
the cars blowing up. Roger's even tempted to pocket some
of the money because it's enough to put all of
his kids through college. Riggs tells him, hey, take it, man,
do it. Yeah, but they're running around, they're shooting a
bad guy, and then Riggs gets a knife in the
back like the hamstring. Yeah, that scene was intense because
Riggs is wounded, Adolf comes out and starts kicking his
butt a little bit, and then there's a fight over
the knife.
Speaker 1: The knife stays in his leg for most of the fight, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Until he removes it to show it in the guy's
you know, in his own chest, much like the end
of Gladiator. I don't know if you notice that verty similar,
But at that moment you think, okay, Riggs kills adof
but then Erzin Rudd, out of nowhere, starts to shoot
Riggs right. That was originally intended to be his death scene.
They actually shot it both ways. Ultimately decided to have
Riggs live, and I think that was a very very
good decision. You got two more movies out of it,
at least.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about three Leath the Weapon five. It
was gonna happen like it was five. It was in
pre production, Yeah, in pre production until until Richard Donner died.
Until Richard Donner died, And if you go to the IMDb,
it's back in in development instead of in pre production now.
But purther wishes of Richard Donner, the director is now
Mel Gibson perfect, perfect, but we who knows if we'll
ever see it. I mean mel Gibson's over sixty five,
Danny Glover's over seventy five. I mean it's.
Speaker 2: Danny Glover was too old for this back in nineteen
eighty seven. Thirty yeah, right, Hey, you know you talk
about Mel Gibson being the director of leth the Webin five,
and I think that's the absolute right call, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is the director of Braveheart and the Passion of
the Christ and Apocalypto, all these super successful movies.
Speaker 1: Ok, Saw Ridge, Hecksaw Ridge.
Speaker 2: Is one of my all time favorite movies. But I
sent you a video that you can find on YouTube
where mel Gibson has a camera and he's running around
behind the scenes of Lethal Weapon two.
Speaker 1: You sent me this video. You texted me the video
and I start watching it because it's called like the
Unauthorized Diary of Mel Gibson with the Webon two, right,
So I'm like, oh, this will be interesting, and I
start watching it, and about halfway through the video, I
texted you and I said, this is so dumb. Do
I have to watch all the way? And You're like, no,
you probably pretty well got I mean, it's like it's
like me and my high school friends with my camcorder
when I was a kid. I mean, it's terrible. Rib
I mean I did. I wasn't able to get cameos
from Chevy Chase and Dan akroydheey Herman in my in
My Home video. But it's just stupid, like they're all
I mean, they're all acting like high school kids who
don't act would act. They're not even acting like actors.
And so yeah, I'm watching this thinking this guy directed
Brave Heart. Yes, well he learned a lot from from
eighty nine to ninety what was it ninety three? Brave
Heart was ninety five ninety five. Yeah, so he did
learn a lot apparently.
Speaker 2: Yes, if you feel so inclined to go check out
that video on YouTube. It's horrible.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think we need we got to move on
to last Crusade at this one.
Speaker 2: Let's move on to Last Crusade.
Speaker 1: All right, Junia, Yes, sir, may they shoot Junior? Don't
call me that please? Okay.
Speaker 2: We talked pretty instantly last time about the very beginning
the young Indie scenes with River Phoenix, where You've got
the cross, Coronado grabs the bull whip for the first time,
he gets the scar in his chin. It's a big day, right,
you have him not scared of snakes until he falls
in this giant container full of snakes. Yep, he gets
the hat from the guy they called Fedora was originally
supposed to be Abner Ravenwood. And then across of Coronado.
And then of course you flash forward and you've got
Indiana Jones on a ship battling for the Cross of
Coronado to get that it belongs in a museum, right,
and then they're like kill him, you know, throw him
over the side.
Speaker 1: It's a ridiculous The boat seems ridiculous, and like, how
does he live? How does he get through that? And
how did the cross not sink to the bottom of
the ocean instantaneous?
Speaker 2: I know, right. First of all, they're gonna kill him
by throwing him over the side. He's like, nope, I'm
gonna beat a couple of guys up. Then I'm gonna
jump over the side. Take that bad guys.
Speaker 1: Well, he realizes the boat's about to explode. Right, that
was dumb. It's fun, but it's dumb. They bring that
scene right back to us in the Adventures of Ten
Ten in the twenty first century. Oh yeah, I mean
the same thing. It ends in the boat exploding and
them gathering just a bit of the treasure as they're
floating along.
Speaker 2: Also, I want to talk about the scene at the library, okay,
where they've got Dad's diary and they've got the Roman
numerals and he's pointing that six, nine, where's ten?
Speaker 1: Everywhere?
Speaker 2: Where's ten? Looking for ten? That sea was really cool.
But they're standing on a tile that's like ten foot
by ten foot. It's not like it's the biggest X
in the world.
Speaker 1: You could just look down a oh that's ten right there.
That's an X. Yeah, but you have the X. It's
eluting us. Right.
Speaker 2: But they end up in the catacombs and you have
like the snakes in part one, like the bugs in
part two. You have this big scene with rats rats. Yeah,
what did you think of that scene?
Speaker 1: I thought it was a nice throwback, you know, like,
and he's afraid of snakes, his dad's afraid of rats.
Had rats ack, Yeah, right, lots of them? Yeah, yeah,
all thoughts get throw back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they use a lot of real rats. But because
they didn't want to transfer any disease, they had to
grow their own rats. Okay, so they had like two
thousand rats that had never been in touch with any
other rats in the entire world ever, ever, ever, and
so they're essentially clean rats.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this brings me, This brings me to an
interesting point. Now, we've talked about the composers in both
of these movies plenty of times before. Yes, we've got
John Williams with Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade. We've
got Mark Cayman with Leith a Weapon who he you know,
done a Mills pigs two.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: John Williams still with us today, still making music, still kicking.
Mark Cayman passed away two thousand and three. But what
we haven't talked about, and this this I feel is
important in this one, is the other aspect of sound.
It's the sound editing and sound design of the movie itself.
And throw back to a Patreon episode, you know who
the sound designer was for Indiana Jones and The Last
Crusade and Temple of Doom and Raiders of the Lost
Stark is right? Is it? Ben Burt? You got it?
It's Ben Burt.
Speaker 2: I mean Ben Burt's the guy who created the sound
for The Guns and Star Wars and the lightsabers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean another part of that deal was the
sound of the guns. I mean, if you listen to
the sound of the guns and raiders and all of
the rest of the movies, it's not it's not a
small sound. Yeah. Well that's because they're using a thirty
thirty to make this sound.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: They're to make the sound of a handgun of a pistol, right,
but it's it's big and powerful. It's like the hit.
It's like this and that one. I think they were
slapping a mattress.
Speaker 2: Or a leather coat with a baseball bat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, slapping leather coats with a baseball bat is how
we get the punch sounds great. So back to the rats. Yes,
do you know what the sound of the rats is?
Speaker 2: No, I don't have no idea.
Speaker 1: Chickens what chickens like. They couldn't figure out any rat sounds, right, Like,
they couldn't get any good rat sounds because rats really
don't make that much noise, right, pretty small. But chickens
make a lot of noise. If you've ever been in
a chicken and pin, they make a lot of noise,
But they don't sound like rats. Okay, unless you speed
them up, and then that was the sound of the rats,
which you've got, of course, also the sound of the
flame as the you know, remember the Knights Templar guys
start the fire and then all the rats are burning.
By the way, none of none of the rats in
the burn scene were actual real rats. Those were robot
elastic Yeah, not real rats. But anyway, but you have
that awesome sound effect of all of the rats freaking
the frick out because there's a giant ball of fire
consuming everything.
Speaker 2: Insight, I'm going to talk about something awesome before I
talk about something that was kind of dumb. Okay, So
Indiana Jones is going through the catacombs. He's got doctor
Elsa Schneider with him m hm, and he rubs his
hand on the wall and you see.
Speaker 1: The arc of the Covenant. I mean, it's such a basic,
like it's basically like grade school drag. Like if I
was going to draw the Arc of the Covenant in
third grade, that's what it would have looked like. Yeah,
with a gray on, you know, just exactly. But you
get the.
Speaker 2: John Williams, you get the musical score, the theme for
the arc.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: And she's like, what's that, and he's like Sark the Covenant.
She's like, are you sure? He's like pretty sure, which
is a great throwback to Raiders.
Speaker 1: It is. Yeah, And he but as he throws it away,
he totally throws It's I love that he throws it away.
It makes it even better. Yeah, sure, pretty sure.
Speaker 2: Then you end up with, you know, the Knights trying
to kill him by dropping a match in the in
the petroleum and in the river.
Speaker 1: I mean, by the way, he he lights a torch
himself and I'm watching the fire ripping off of that
torch the entire time. How did that not? If one
match can start that whole thing a blaze? Like Jerry
Lee Lewis what what? Yeah, she had real rats in
her hair. By the way, those were real. Those were
not mechanical rats. She had the real rats in her hair.
So good for her for tough and through that. And
then when they come out there and the like the bistro,
like the right outside eating area of some calf in Italy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just they just pop out at coffee shop. But
here's the thing, So those Knights are trying to kill them.
They've tried to burn them to death. You know, they
jump on the boat and they're attacking them. They try
to shoot them, they try to squeeze them between boats,
they're trying to get them chopped up in a giant propeller.
And he's like, tell me, where's my father, blah blah blah.
And then he's like, I'm not I don't even care
about the grail. I'm just looking for my dad. And
then all of a sudden they're like, oh, well, in
that case, God'll be with you.
Speaker 1: All that.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is great action, but that didn't
make a lot of sense to me in the movie.
Speaker 1: I agreed, agree, but I'm willing to look.
Speaker 2: Over it because the action piece is so great.
Speaker 1: Okay, So as long as we're talking about things that
don't work, like, I can live with a lot of
that stuff, right right. What's troubling for me is really
a very big aspect of the movie itself, and that
is that the Knight's Templar. We know the story is
three knights wandered into the wilderness. One hundred and fifty
years later, one of them comes out, looks very old
and eyes on the spot, right, but before he dies
passes this information right, right, and then we get the
end of the movie where that what we have to
say is the Third Night is still there protecting the grail,
right right, Well, they had the grail when they went
into the wilderness, okay, and then they got to this
big cave. It's real place, by the way, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Tristan Martin's been there, by the way.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's yeah. I haven't been there, but I
mean I was shocked to find out that this was
not a Hollywood thing. That's that Petra is a real,
real thing carved into the rock like that. I think
it's in Jordan, okay, And so how is it that
they get it into this spot that then after it's
taking it taken away from the spot, it causes an earthquake?
Like how does that? What? How does that make any sense? Like?
What what's going on here?
Speaker 5: That?
Speaker 1: If if it's that magical, why did we need a
painted rock bridge? I mean it should have been really
by faith, he was really walking on I mean, we
didn't need the we didn't need the slicer, dicer, head
chopper thing. It was all magical. So you just go
with magical. So why is this cup if you crossed
the seal that obviously the knights put there. I mean
the grail didn't start there, right, Why does it cause
earthquake whenever it crosses the seal?
Speaker 2: The answer to that question is I have no idea,
but I will just tell you. You've got to believe boy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'll tell you this. Yeah. Throw back to
Ben Bird again. Yes, earthquake rubbing on a balloon combined
with rolling rocks down a hill on Skywalker ranch. Okay,
sounds good.
Speaker 2: Another great scene from Indian Jones Part three.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So tank scene. Yeah, that was a George Lucas
like he wants to have a tank in this chase scene. Yeah,
and it works well, like it's it's a scary moment. Yeah.
Now I still said, why are we taking a tank
to an archaeological dig? Is that necessary? We don't care? Yeah, right.
Speaker 2: Inside Petra Alexandretta tomb Alexandretta. Yeah, you have the three
you have like the penitent man will pass test uh huh, yep,
because a man kneels before God kneels. Then you have
the footsteps of God.
Speaker 1: But in the Latin of a bit, Jehovah starts with
an eye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you have the bridge of faith. I
thought all those were great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, historically interesting ideas that biblically relate to some
things penitent man being one Jehovah, the name being the other,
and then an act of faith. Yeah. No, I thought
I thought that Boheam did a great job pulling those
things out and making them like the art theory and
heroes quests.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, during that scene, you've also got
the fact that his dad has been shot. Uh huh,
and Marcus keeps yelling him, Andy, hurry, please hurry. So
you've got all these challenges, but he doesn't have any
time to spare.
Speaker 1: Right, so puts the time pressure on. Got that clock
a Tickenah. It's fun, it's good Writing's good writing. Right there.
Speaker 2: We talked about how choosing the Cup of Christ. Once
he gets through there, Donovan chooses.
Speaker 1: The wrong one. He chose poorly, he chose He just arbitraries.
She's like this one. He's like, oh look, she's freaking
knows what she is doing. She knows exactly what she's
doing this one. He drinks the cup, right, so we
see him a front view drink the cup and the
bottom of the cup is hollow with a little silver
like a mom like is that a bolt that What
is that? Why would they show us that? That's not
the way old cup from that time would have looked.
They wouldn't have made it like that, but that's what
they did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously a very poor choice, yes, and then he
goes through this aging process. It's kind of one of
the it's the big scary effect of this movie.
Speaker 1: It's the opening of the arc scene. Yeah, for sure.
Like I told you, man, this it's very beat for
beat the same movie.
Speaker 2: Indy makes the the wise choice by selecting a wooden
cup and then, like we said before, he's got to
carry it back to save his dad who has been shot. Right,
but you can't take it past the seal. But what
good is this thing?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, you have this big earthquake. When
Elsa tries to take it, she's like, we got it,
let's go. Giant earthquake. Now, Elsa falls off. Andy grabs
her and is trying to save her. She's trying to
still reach the grail and he's like, Elsa, give me
your other hand. I can't hold you. And she's trying
to grab the girl. Well she falls into nothing. This
the same place that the girl in Uh Superman.
Speaker 1: You know what, You're a pain in the neck.
Speaker 2: Then Indy falls off the edge. Henry Jones Senior grabs
his hand. Andy's trying to grab the grail. This is
the great part of this scene. He says, Indiana, let
it go. And it's him calling him by his preferred name, right,
that causes him to sort of come to his senses
and pull himself out.
Speaker 1: Right by the way, this, Junior, what does this mean.
We named the dog Indiana, so everybody knows that Indiana
comes from George Lucas's dog. Yes, that was named Indiana. Yes,
that was a malmoot. Yes, you see him in the
first the river Phoenix comes into the house, comes in,
and he walks in the door, and the dog looks
up at him and it's it is that Malmot. Wow. Okay,
So here's an interesting fact about Sean Connery. Yes, he
has a sweating problem. Yes, And so they're filming the
scene in the zeppelin. Yep, you look at it. Think
about all the people, all the women dressed in furs
and hats and long dresses, and all the men are
dressed in full three piece suits. Right, everything's all well,
it was summertime. It was hot yep, and Sean Connery says,
we're about to have this scene where they're sitting at
the table talking about the different question you.
Speaker 2: Left right when you were getting interested. Yeah, what do
you want to talk about? I'm here, let's talk. I
don't know what to say.
Speaker 1: Well, all right, it's work to do. So that scene,
Sean Connery is like, guys, I'm taking off my pants
and they're like what, no, sir, And he's like, guys,
I have a sweating problem and it's hot, and so
if you want this scene to play right, I mean,
if it's supposed to be winter, I'm not going to
be dripping sweat and wet in my clothes. So I
got to lose the pants. And Harrison Ford is like,
are you really going to take off your pants? He says, yeah,
I am. He goes and I'm going to take off
my pants too, and so both Harrison Ford and Sean
Connery are pantless during that scene.
Speaker 2: That's fantastic, Okay.
Speaker 1: In this movie we get more of a payoff of
what we got teased with and Rangers of the Lost
Ark with the nazis okay, Like he's you know, your
boss to fear you know they have a few German soldiers,
but in this movie, we go to Berlin and we
don't just Hitler. We see all of the Nazis. And
as it turned out, all of those costumes were actual
German soldier costumes. Like they found a you know, some
closet full of German costumes or uniforms and they used
those for the costumes in this scene, right, the book
burning scene. If you're forgetting what I'm talking about here,
So you've got you've got Hitler, You've got the book
burning scene. And I mean all of those guys are
doing the Hile Hitler. Now in the nineteen eighties. This
is not this is not too distant of future, ye,
I mean this is like so people were still like
eh when they see these guys doing the hil Hitler thing,
right forty years Nazis, I hate these guys. Yeah, I
think that was totally out of Blues Brothers. By the way, Okay,
I really do believe that was taken from Blues Brothers.
But anyway, so Steven Spielberg is directing all of this
a guy who's Jewish, like he's got like this is
a more meaningful thing. When the guy goes on to
direction list right. Yeah, so in all of the scenes
where the guys are doing the Zekyle hand salute, he said, okay, guys,
I once you put your other hand behind your back
and crush your finger.
Speaker 2: Buddy, Hey, you know you and I talked about I
remember watching this in the movie theater. Yeah, when Indiana
Jones has the Grail, He's gone to the Belly of
the Beast to retrieve the Holy Grail Diary and he
takes it from Elsa. He gets kind of pushed in
this direction, in that direction, and he ends up face
to face with Adolf Hitler. Huh, and I remember when
we're in the theater, We're like, what is this? What
is going to happen here? Hitler pulls out the book
and then autographs.
Speaker 1: It and gives it back to you.
Speaker 2: So the Holy Grail Diary has Adolf Hitler's autograph.
Speaker 1: Crazy. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2: All right. D Are we ready for final judgment?
Speaker 1: Yes we are? Yes we are. Is your soul prepared?
My soul is prepared? How's yours? But here's a question
that you posed that we haven't discussed yet. Who is
more important to the franchise? This is a big question
for you. Yeah, we get the introduction of Henry Jones sr.
Sean Connery yep, and we get the introduction of Leo Gets.
Can I give you to guys a friendly piece of advice? Okay,
don't ever go up to the drive through? Okay, always
walk up to the county you know what. Okay, they
do it the drive Okay, they do it the drive
Who then goes on to do the next two movies
with them? Yeah, he does. And so your question to
me was which of these two is the more important character? Right?
That's right for the franchise. Yes, it's a hard question. Obviously.
With Leo Gets, you get further characters from movie to movie.
But Leo Gets does not provide you with an insight
into the soul and origin of Martin Riggs or Marta Right,
he doesn't. He's comic relief. He's an antagonist for them
to play against. And he's great. Yes, I love him,
he's great, but he's not something that adds meaning to
the story. Adding a Henry Jones to take a character
that we already loved because he was a multi level character, right,
like an imperfect hero, the anti hero, to take him
and go, oh now, I'm beginning to understand why he
is the way he is, and then also putting him
in those situations where you know, even a prophet is
not respected in his own country, like when he's around
his dad, he's still a little kid again, which is
crazy because we've seen this guy, we've wanted to be
this guy, and now are like, he's just a goofball
guy who just wants his dad to love him. Right, Yeah,
so it's got to be Henry Jones Senior. For me,
it's got to be Sean Connery.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think this is a great question because of
those reasons that you mentioned. One adds levels to a
character that we know and love. The other ads laughs.
So I'm taking Leo Goetz because he leveled up the
franchise and because he stuck around for another two movies
after them.
Speaker 1: Right, So I'm going quantity. You're going quality, Right, Well,
you can't really blame Sean Connery for not wanting to
hang around for the next movie after I can't whose
name shall not be spoken on this podcast, that's right.
Speaker 2: That final shot of the Last Crusade as they ride
off into the sunset, yes, which was added at the
last second by the way. Yeah, shot in Amarillo, Texas.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So since you said that, I had this trivia bit,
but I didn't think it was interesting enough. Yeah, Petro,
we said in Jordan when they're when they're on the
horses outside of the Petra, they're having the conversation about
what junior means. Right, Yes, those four horses were owned
by the King of Jordan, King Hussein. Wow, he let
them borrow his horses to film that scene.
Speaker 2: That's great. All right, we are the final judgment between
these two amazing sequels of the Summer of nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1: You go first.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so let me just say right off the
bat Raiders of the Lost Dark is my all time
favorite movie. Temple of Doom was fun for me in parts,
and I am a defender of Temple of Doom, but
its tone, the darkness of it kind of let me
down a little bit. Willie Scott drives me insane the
whole time.
Speaker 1: So I was.
Speaker 2: Really really pleased with where part three went. I think
the addition of Sean Conry's character was a big level up,
and it pushes it almost to Raiders level. Right if
Raiders is a ten out of ten for me. Last
Crusade's probably a nine out of ten. I mean, it's
so good, so fun, it's very enjoyable.
Speaker 1: It does have its faults.
Speaker 2: That are a little bit unrealistic in some spots, but
it's so much fun that I just love it. Leath
the Weapon two a sequel to a movie that I
loved as well, but it improved on the franchise so
much by adding the chemistry that we already love you
add Leo gets you, add humor. The chemistry has grown,
the characters have grown, the action is off the charts.
I absolutely love leth Weapon two. I'm casting my vote.
I am going to say that I enjoy Lethal Weapon
two just a tad more than Indiana Jones and Last Crusade.
So mark me down Leath's Weapon two.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we've talked before, and I've said before I
think that maybe Last Crusade is better than Raiders. Is
the lost.
Speaker 2: Art that's for blasphemy, Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: That might have been deserved, right, So in rewatching it again,
I watched this movie several times with the kids. Last Crusade,
I watched it more than I watched Traders with them
because you didn't have melting faces in this one, right, Right,
You've got one scene where the head goes rolling down
the like a bowling ball, but that was enough, that's fine, right,
But in rewatching it, I did see more of the
problems than I had kind of noticed before. I felt
like the religious imagery in this one was stronger than
it was in Raiders, which was impressive to me because
it was really strong in Raiders. Right at this point,
I don't know that I would say that it's better
than Raiders, but they are so dang close, Like I mean,
you're saying A ten and a nine and I'm saying
a nine point seven and a nine point five. You know,
like they're super close, especially because of Sean Connery. Right now,
the question is not whether it's better than Raiders or not.
It's whether it's better than Lethal Weapon, that's right or not.
And again, in leth a Weapon two, you find out
some history, right, you find out what happened to Vicky Riggs.
Just like both movies, We've got some expositional history that
like gives these characters more flesh, more reality. But at
the end of the day, they're both so good that
it honestly it comes down to do I want to
watch a cop movie or do I want to watch
an action adventure movie? And almost always the answer to
that question for me is going to be an action
adventure movie. The fantasy level, even though it's reality, the
fantasy level of the supernatural, the religious aspect, the beautiful
retelling of I mean, it's a perfect sequel. It is
it is. It is really just taking it and mixing
it up and telling it to us in a different way.
Sure is done so well, I got to pick Lasker
say love it. I love it.
Speaker 2: I don't blame you at all.
Speaker 1: I love both. That's fantastic.
Speaker 2: Well, we want to hear from you, guys, how did
we do? Where are you on this argument? Where do
you stand with which is the best sequel?
Speaker 1: By the way, just to just to add on to that,
I was confident when I started this process that I
was going to pick that last Crusade. I knew I was, yeah,
But I was shocked at how much I liked Leath
a Weapon too, because I didn't remember it being as
good as it was, and it is fantastic. It was
a much closer race by the time they finished than
I thought it was going to be. These are two
incredible movies, and if you haven't seen him in a while,
go back and watch them again. Watch them with your kids,
watch them with your family, and tell us who got
it right? Did Jason get it right leath the Web
two or did I get it right? Last?
Speaker 2: Crusade might want to fast forward past patsy Kinson's boobs
if you're watching with your kids. Hell yeah, all right,
what do we have next week?
Speaker 1: Next week? Well, it's rush week. It is It's rush week.
You know what that means. Time for some hazing, time
for some drinking and sex CapAids. It's time to go
back to school, back to college.
Speaker 2: Yep, we are compared hearing Revenge of the Nerds from
nineteen eighty four versus Animal House nineteen eight.
Speaker 1: My gosh, that means that those movies are forty and
forty six years old. I wonder how much different colleges
now than it was forty and forty six years ago.
Speaker 2: Come back next week and we'll find out.
Speaker 1: Thanks, guys, appreciate you so much. Guys. Hope you liked
the song we had last week. Sounds like an eighties
man to me. The surely you can't be serious band
is back again and they have a shurly theme song
for us guys. Here it is, surely you can't be serious.
When I was a little.
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but not nothing today, and the world went insane. But
that's when surely chain indeed be joy in that same
old way.
Speaker 4: Say there's the time to see Shay.
Speaker 1: We won't cross the streets. Surely this can be the
best there is.
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and scene.
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feels like the dark side of the wall. Sony cats
a monaqueen cass. He is a killer queen, but.
Speaker 1: We'll spite the football.
Speaker 4: Say there's the time to see Showy.
Speaker 1: We won't cross the streets.
Speaker 4: Surely this can't be the best there is, Shany. You'm
rocket queen coming back against the record machine. Surely you can't,
you kid be serious?
Speaker 2: Tommy and Gina they both knew Bill Intick.
Speaker 1: They knew it too.
Speaker 3: Shuly's raw and tell you he is.
Speaker 4: Daniel Crane kid. Johnny's face, we are rock digging in
the wrong place.
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Speaker 4: They serious had shot first, Rocky became a truck at
Hans Booby was the worst.
Speaker 5: J K.
Speaker 1: I am serious and don't call me Shirley. Surely you
can't be Sy.
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