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Speaker 1: Listen to the Surely you Can't Be Serious Podcast? You

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might do or do not? There is no try.

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Speaker 2: All right, do are you ready to do? Second part

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of Indiana joins Last Crusae Versus Least Weapon two?

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, do it? Yeah? Listen, all right? Ready one?

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Speaker 2: Two?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Wait wait wait wait wait are we going on three?

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Or is it like one two three? And then go

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like three? Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Whatever you say, coaches.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this on three Okay, so it's like one

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two and then we go to three. Yes, okay, all right.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, one two, three,

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Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Surely you Can't

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Be Serious Podcast.

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Speaker 1: We're over here having just too much fun for the sun.

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I don't know, man, this is so great to go

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back to nineteen eighty nine and live like I'm a

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little fourteen year old kid again with Riggs and Indy

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and just live in these movies is awesome. I know.

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Speaker 2: The summer of nineteen eighty nine was so special. And

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I want to tell you something about the summer of

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nineteen eighty nine. Yeah, did you ever get Entertainment Weekly Magazine?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh heck, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So they used to come out with a summer

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movie preview, and I always I couldn't wait to get

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my hands on that because you could plan out, you

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know what you were gonna see that summer. Listen to

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the movies that came out that summer that are just sequels.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I just I need to preff. I'm gonna,

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I'm gonna. I'm gonna tease up an old episode that

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we did here. But I mean, like, guys, we've had

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an episode that was what was the best year in

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the eighties four movies? And the man sitting across the

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table from me picked nineteen eighty nine. I get id.

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All right, Well, so here's here's some backing on his

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decision on why he's picking eighty nine is the best

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year in the eighties three moties.

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Speaker 2: So you gotta you gotta clear your mind of how

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good these movies actually turned out to be and just

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go back to like May first, nineteen eighty nine, when

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you got your hands on that Entertainment Weekly magazine.

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Speaker 1: This is what was coming down the.

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Speaker 2: Pipe, ATCHU. Okay, So earlier that spring, we already had

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The Fly Part two, We had fletched Lives. We had

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what now you got to keep in mind not how

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they finished, but how excited we were for how excited

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we were. Well, that's right. Okayltz's finest word.

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Speaker 2: Hey, listen, he got fired from Back to the Future too,

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but he rebounded with the fly thing.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: That summer, you had Friday Night Part two, which we

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talked about because the Menendez brother's murders.

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Speaker 1: This is crazy, this weird.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it caused it to go in the tape because

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there's no promotions because they killed their dad was a

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charge of promotion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Yeah, the guy who was going to be

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the big producer was like, yes, we're going to do this,

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and then they waited and waited, like why isn't this

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guy calling hi us back? Oh? Because his children killed him?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? All right, sorry, I'm totally I'm boing bombing your

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eighty nine. Let's do it again.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, Friday Part two. You have Indy three that summer,

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which of course we're going to talk about today. You

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have Star Trek Part five. Hey, it didn't turn out

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to be great, but you had a Star Trek movie

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coming at you that summer. Yeah, Ghostbusters Part two?

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 2: We were excited to see.

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Speaker 1: That, Yeah, we were. We were right.

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Speaker 2: Karate Kid Part three, Yep. You had Leath Weapon two,

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which I was freaking fired up for. You had License

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to Kill another James Bond movie that summer. Yeah, you

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love those movies. You have Nineer and elm Street Part five,

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and of course later on that year you get Halloween

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Speaker 1: There you go?

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Speaker 2: And Christmas Vacation.

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Speaker 1: I think seven teen or eighteen of them. That's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an incredible summer. It is. It is. Indeed,

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don't forget u HF.

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Speaker 2: That's a UHF came out that summer, right and Dead

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Patreon member, mister Grant Leah.

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Speaker 1: Broughton, Executive producer Grant Lea Broughton. Grant, thank you so much.

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just supporting what we do here at the Shirly Podcast.

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member five bucks a month. Next month. Okay, Jason, So

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you remember last episode when we first part one of

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these two episodes, we were talking about the history of

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the Grail and we found out that diplomatic community is

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actually several hundred years, well over a thousand years older

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concept than the Grail is. But I said that it

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first appeared in stories written by Cretin de Troier, which

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is a French guy, right, sure, And so the name

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of the story that he wrote, and I have to

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tap tip my hat here Melissa Mingle, friend of the podcast,

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Patreon of the podcast. I was like, she knows French,

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and so I was like, can you tell me how

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to pronounce this please? And so the name of the

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story was Percival lecent nice. It's really hard to get

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that right. But so Grail is g r al in

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the French spelling. Okay, sure, okay, so just know that

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as I tell the rest of this story. Okay, So

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the Knights Templar are a huge part of the indie story, right.

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not going to go into them, but they're kind of

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a secret society like the Freemasons. So what I am

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going to tell you about is this guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Knights Templar are real.

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Speaker 2: Ok yeah, Oh heck yeah, they protect the grail.

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a guy. His father left Portugal to escape being a

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de Janeiro in Brazil. This is back in the eighteen hundreds, ok.

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this guy's name was Antonio Augusto Carvallo Montero. I'm just

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going to call him Carvalla Montero, all right, sure. And

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so after his he had inherited his father's fortune, he

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made it exponentially bigger because he was brilliant. He spoke

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like what I mean. He got his law degree from

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the University of Columbia. It was part of scientific societies.

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so I know that he had he must have had

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his Grail diary. So ultimately what happens is he goes

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old castle that was is called the Kenta de Regularia

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and you can still go there today. I showed you

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a picture before we started the podcast. Is big ornate,

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beautiful castle in Portugal. Now what's interesting though, is not

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the top part of the castle, but this pit that

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they have, and basically it's like a well. It's like

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an inverted steeple. Okay sure, And so he bought this place.

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the prior owners of this castle, before he got it

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in eighteen ninety two, several hundred years before, it had

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been owned by the Knights Templar. And it's believed that

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the initiation well is where they would go down and

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do their rituals like the Freemasons do and stuff like that.

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it's very deep. Right. In addition to that, there are

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network of tunnels into the mountains and some of them

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go underneath cathedrals. I mean, it's it is crazy, right, yeah, Okay,

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this place, including this the first king of Portugal. Right,

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first King of Portugal has a seal you ready for this? Yes,

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is so great. So think about the word Portugal, all right,

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there right that and there it is a circle with

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these letters almost like they're going in a clock but

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these letters and rearrange them, you could get Portugal, but

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through you the grail whoa. And so it is believed

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that the grail, if there is a real grail, very

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likely could be in this castle in one of the

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Speaker 2: I wasn't sure where we're going, but that that finished

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Speaker 1: You talk about the cast.

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Speaker 1: Archaeology is the search for fact not truth.

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Speaker 2: Other than Mel Gibson, maybe the biggest movie star in

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the world at this time in nineteen eighty nine, I

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can't think of anybody bigger. Sure, this is his third

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Speaker 1: Killing it awesome. He is. I mean, you just think

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He's riding that freaking horse like he is riding it

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be doing that crap with a horse. I would not

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean when they when they decide that they're

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gonna the storyline is going to be the reunion or

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the father and son relationship, right, that's the key ingredient.

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back to that day on the beach the Sandcastle, Indian,

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and Jones's father has to be James Bond, and it

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has to be the first James Bond, and it has

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to be the best James Bond. It has to be

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Sean Connery. And so fortunately Sean Connery read the script

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and he liked it.

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Speaker 2: He was delighted, I find But if I just God

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was think.

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Speaker 1: Solution presents itself. He however, is a guy He's an

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actor who will look at a script and he will add,

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he will take and it is like a study for

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him where he will go in and he will he

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will say, okay, this is this character is missing certain aspects.

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to the table, like he changed who Henry Jones was.

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got involved. But then he gets involved, brings ideas. I

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think he was supposed to be more like Calvinists originally,

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and obviously this is he falls more on the Catholic

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side of things once we get our final picture here.

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But he brings these ideas to the table. They take

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that to Jeffrey Baum, and that is how we get

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Speaker 2: Gosh, you know, they tried to get him back for

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Crystal Skull and he wouldn't come back because he read

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the scripts like, guy, this is not any good.

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Speaker 1: I'm not coming back once again. He was right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, he had had an averse too big name

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franchises because of his Bond experience. Right, he did not

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want to get buried in paparazzi and all that crap. Again,

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Sean Connery experiences kind of a resurgence during this time. Yeah,

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so he does play James Bond again and never say

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never again, like he said. In eighty three, he wins

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the Oscar for Best Supporting Actor for The Intouchables. Great movie,

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great character. He does In the Name of the Rose

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in eighty six. He does Highlander in eighty six.

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Speaker 1: We talked about that, and then he goes on.

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Speaker 2: He does The Presidio in eighty eight, he does Indiana

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Jones in nineteen eighty nine, and then he does Hunt

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for October. He's doing Rising Sun, First Night the Rock.

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I mean, he goes on to all these great movies

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in the nineties where he is just like Highlander two,

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but he experiences a total career resurgence from The Intouchables.

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But you know, he was only fifty eight at the

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time he filmed this.

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Speaker 1: So he's only twelve years older than Harrison four years

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older than Harrison Ford.

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Speaker 2: And it was his idea that Henry Jones Senior and

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Indiana Jones had slept with the same woman. That was

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his duation.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Yes, and it's believable, yes, which is again

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funny because she's twenty one, three, twenty three. Yeah, she's

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twenty three years old, and now she's playing an older

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person because she's a doctor and you're just not going

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to probably be a female doctor PhD kind of person

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in the thirties at that age. But still with Sean

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Connery ever, not bettable. I don't think so. I don't

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think so.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about Alison Didy real quick.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I never expected to see you again. I'm like

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a bad penny. I always turned.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 2: She was twenty one twenty three at the time this

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movie was made. Her character was supposed to be twenty

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nine doctor Elsha Snyder, doctor Elsa Schneider.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know if you know this or not.

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Speaker 2: She is the youngest Bond girl to date. Really, she

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was a Bond girl in A View two a Kill

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she was eighteen years old.

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Speaker 1: Connection.

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Speaker 2: Nice, there you go, so Roger Moore Bond movie. But still, yeah,

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Bond girl. She doesn't do a whole lot after this.

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She's Irish playing Austrian.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you buy that Austrian accent, do? Yeah. She talked

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about being surprised that she got picked at all, of course,

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and then it's a significant amount of time between the

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time that you get picked to do something in the

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time that filming actually starts, and so she worked really

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hard on her accent. But yeah, I buy it. I

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do too. I think it's great.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is how you start goodbye in Austria,

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and this is how we say goodbye in Germany.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she could have talked like jar Jar binks and

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I would have said it was a great, great job.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about River Phoenix for a second.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I crossed an important artiffact. It belongs in a museum.

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Speaker 2: River Phoenix was almost eighteen years old. He when he

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plays the part of Indiana Jones.

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Speaker 1: Young, right, Henry Jones or Junior, don't call me that.

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Speaker 2: That sequence at the beginning is so awesome. Yeah, you

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actually get to see Indiana Jones being made, being forged

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in that scene.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's let's talk about that a little bit, shall we. Yeah, okay,

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So number one, he's probably stealing his first artifact. So

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that's a that's a major life moment.

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Speaker 2: It belongs in a museum, right Number two.

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Speaker 1: At that time, At that moment, the other kid, the

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heavy kid that he's with, is scared and he's like

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it's just a snake, and he throws it away like

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it's no big deal, right, so you're like, oh, that's

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a different Okay, Well he ends up on that train

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and so we've got he's stolen his first artifact. Then

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he falls in the pit of snakes where he's completely

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covered in the pit of snakes. So there's life point

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number two. Now he has a fear of snakes. Then

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he ends up in the lion's car. Yep, so what

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does he do. He runs to the wall and finds

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the bull whip, and we can tell this is his

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first time to ever use a bullwhep. But there's life

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event number three. Then when he uses the bullwhip, he

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cracks it and it gives him the scar underneath his chin,

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which is a scar Harrison Ford actually has. And then

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once he finally I mean, you can tell that the

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main guy, leader of the guys who were getting Coronado's cross,

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is very much in Indiana Jones looking guy. And at

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the end of that whole sequence, what happens is he

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gives him his hat. So in one maybe hour and

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a half period, he has developed five to six major Indiana.

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It's quite a day. It's quite a day. It's so great, right, yeah,

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I mean, watching it on the Big screen.

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Speaker 2: I was dazzled by these these life changing events happening

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in front of my eyes. Yeah, you know, it's the

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it's the Leonardo DiCaprio point at the screen. Hey, that's

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the that's the scar that Harrison Ford has.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that guy's got a hat now you know.

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Speaker 2: Now I did read that the original idea for that character.

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They call him Fedora, like he doesn't have a name.

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Speaker 1: He lost today. Kid, does this mean you have to

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like it? That was supposed to be Abner Ravenwood at

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one point. Oh that's interesting. Yeah, because for those who

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are not as nerdy as we are, Abner Ravenwood was

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Marion's father, who Indiana had worked with ten years earlier

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from Raiders of the Lost Art.

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Speaker 2: That's it his mentor. So that opening scene is just

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so good.

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Speaker 1: By the way, By the way, did you see the

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name of the chip What was it? The Coronado? Oh? Yes, subtle,

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love it subtle.

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Speaker 2: By the way, the Jones family House is a bed

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and breakfast that you can actually stay in. I think

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it's in Alamosa, Colorado.

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Speaker 1: We gotta buy ticket, let's go. Yeah, Oh dude, that

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is awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's talk about Denham Elliott for a second.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad he's back, and I'm so glad that

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they really fleshed out his character on this one. He's funny,

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he is great. Yeah, he is great. Oh but I

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have a complaint to Lodge against No surprise Disney. So

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my subscription to Disney has commercials now. It didn't used to,

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but they changed the plan on me and it has

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commercials now. Right, So you know the scene where they're

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where he's they find out that Brody is the one

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that has the diary, right, and.

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Speaker 2: He's like anyone around here to speak English?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Well yeah, So the scene the scene before that

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is Indy saying he speaks seven languages, he knows every

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custom in every village in a hundred different countries. He

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will blend in, he will disappear, you will never find him, right,

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And then that the hilarity is cut to Brody walking

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around with feathers on his face and does anyone speak English?

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Speaker 5: Here?

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Speaker 1: Can you help me find where I'm going? And he's

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obviously completely freakin' Disney sticks a commercial right at the

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point that it's like he will disappear. Click commercial, I'm like,

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you interrupted the joke. What is wrong with you? Well,

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it's Disney, that's what's wrong with you. Yeah. My daughter

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was like, Dad, it's okay. I'm like, it's not okay.

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And so I like, she's like, do you want to

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just rewind it so I can see how the joke goes.

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And I rewind it and she's like, oh, I don't

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get it. I'm like, oh, had we gotten it on

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the first go round?

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Speaker 2: By the way, he passed away from AIDS related tuberculosis.

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I did not know that. Yeah, okay, let's talk about

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John Ryce Davies for a second.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I love him saw Yeah, he's so good

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and he comes back. He's just as full. He is

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exactly the same as Raiders, which is perfect.

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Speaker 2: He adds some levity.

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Speaker 1: He's a friend. You know, I said, no camels. You

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have six camels hit out. This is to make up

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for my brother Loves.

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Speaker 2: Car that one scene when he finds Brody. He actually

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finds Brody on the street and he's look here, this

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is a brand new newspaper.

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Speaker 1: Run. Did you say run?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It's great.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about Julian Glover for a second. Okay,

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he's the guy who plays Walter Donovan. Yeah, great, British

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plays an American. Yeah, for you Star Wars nerds, he

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plays General Verers in the Empire strikes Back.

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Speaker 1: He's like the pilot of one of the ad ads

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that like in like Empire. Right, he's the one who

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targets the power generator. Yeah that's right. Okay.

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Speaker 2: He's also, get this, the main bad guy in a

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James Bond movie. Really, he plays Cristado's in For Your

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Eyes Only. Oh okay, so another Bond connection there. Nice, nice,

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No Sean Connery, but still Bond. And if I remember right,

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the guy who plays Hitler is also in Star Wars

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and he's in Empire strikes Back. He's the guy gets

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choked out by Darth Vader.

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Speaker 1: First over the screen. Yes, yes, he's.

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Speaker 2: As clumsy as he is stupid.

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Speaker 1: Oh fantastic. Yep. A lot of Star Wars connections there.

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Speaker 2: So Michael Byrne is the guy who plays Ernest Vogel,

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the till SS colonel. Right, this is how we say

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goodbye in Germany.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I prefer Austrian.

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Speaker 2: Here's the interesting thing about him. Yeah, he and Harrison

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Ford were in a movie in the seventies called Force

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ten from Navarone, which are buddies over at the film.

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I podcast did a guest on nice.

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Speaker 1: Great sort of war movie.

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Speaker 2: It's the sequel to the Guns of Navarone, right, and

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Harrison Ford plays in America and he plays a German.

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Speaker 1: No surprise there talking about him. I just have to

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mention something as I rewatched it this time, there were

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a few points in the movie that I was like, really,

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guys were really stretching the reality this far. When when

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Harrison Ford when they're on the Zeppelin, right, and he's

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walking around pulling people's papers down so that he can

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see them. And Harrison Ford has knocked out the ticket

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clerk and taking his hat and his coat, right and

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is asking people for tickets now, and he pulls down

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the paper in front of Henry Jones Senior, and their

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eyes meet and he's he's like, Harrison Ford, Indiana comes

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over and he's like ticket, sir, And he turns around

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and he knocks him out and then he throws him

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out of the plane, right yeah, and he's like no ticket, right,

470
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,960
and everybody grabs her tickets, right, Yeah, that's all great,

471
00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:15,279
yeah gold. Yeah, He's thrown into this big pile of

472
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,720
suitcases luggage, yeah, which you would think would probably be

473
00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:22,359
going on the plane, but maybe six and a half

474
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,559
seconds later, the zeppelin has launched right and is well,

475
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,160
it's at least three hundred feet in the air, and

476
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,279
he's waving his fist angry. Late I'm like, well, how

477
00:23:32,279 --> 00:23:34,799
did that just happen so fast? And why didn't they

478
00:23:34,839 --> 00:23:37,880
take their luggage with them? But that's it. That's just

479
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,920
one of the small moments that I was like, well, guys,

480
00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:43,680
luggage pile in here, right. Yeah.

481
00:23:43,759 --> 00:23:45,759
Speaker 2: Okay, I've got a credible nugget that I want to

482
00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:48,319
share with you on the cast of Indiana Jones and

483
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,160
the Last Crusade.

484
00:23:49,279 --> 00:23:51,759
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Now, as we.

485
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 2: Know, during the filming of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade,

486
00:23:54,799 --> 00:23:57,599
River Phoenix plays young Indiana Jones. We know, of course,

487
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,240
tragically that River Phoenix passed away at the Viper Room

488
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,440
in Los Angeles on Halloween nineteen ninety three. Oddly enough,

489
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:12,559
Sean Connery also passes away on Halloween. Oh whoa, except

490
00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:17,559
it's twenty twenty right, Holy cow, which means, despite their

491
00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:21,799
vast age difference in the movie, yeah, Sean Connery outlived

492
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,559
him by an extra twenty seven years.

493
00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:30,759
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, pretty incredible. Yeah, two incredible guys. Okay, that's awesome.

494
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,400
All right, are we ready to jump into some tidbits,

495
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,960
some fun facts the production. Yeah, Himmi of Lethal Weapon

496
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:46,519
notableth Okay, So, as we talked in our first episode,

497
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,279
the character of Leo Gets is partially inspired by Joel Silver,

498
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,440
and as I mentioned, Joel Silver was also the producer

499
00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:56,480
of Diehard. You got it. In the scene where they

500
00:24:56,599 --> 00:24:59,440
very first meet Leo Gets, the guy comes in with

501
00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:02,200
the room service, right yeah, yeah, and they go fly

502
00:25:02,319 --> 00:25:04,279
it out the wind like they fly it out the

503
00:25:04,279 --> 00:25:07,160
window end of the pool. Great scene as the waiter

504
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,920
comes up out of the pool. If you look in

505
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,599
the background, you can see the Nakotomi Plaza. Did that

506
00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:16,799
just flow your mincy? Yes?

507
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,079
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh that is fantastic.

508
00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:23,599
Speaker 1: I gotta go watch that. Now you have Diehard and

509
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,640
leath the Weapon on screen at the same time in

510
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:26,319
the same movie.

511
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,799
Speaker 2: Yep, Wow, that's fantastic. You know, let's talk about that

512
00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:31,559
scene for a second, because you know, we talked about

513
00:25:31,559 --> 00:25:35,160
how when Jeffrey Bohm wrote the script for Leath Weapon two,

514
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,680
he wrote a funny version and an action version, and

515
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,279
Dick Donner told him buy him.

516
00:25:39,519 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 1: Make it both right.

517
00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 2: So that scene when Riggs and Murtas show up, you

518
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,880
have a funny introduction of Leo gets and then they

519
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,720
bring in the room service guy, and you jump from

520
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,480
funny scene intro Leo gets to he pulls a gun out,

521
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,880
Rigs jumps across the table, tackles both of them. They

522
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,200
go out a window and fall ten stories.

523
00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: Seven floors up. I guess, so that's right, you didn't

524
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,599
follow me out the window. So floors up and he's.

525
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: Punching him in the swimming pool. But you have this

526
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:12,319
fantastic like overhead POV of them dropping into the pool.

527
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,599
By the way, I have a version of Lethal Weapon two.

528
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,319
Doesn't say it's a special edition.

529
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:18,559
Speaker 1: None of that. But I'm watching it.

530
00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:20,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, I have never seen that scene before. Well,

531
00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:24,079
it turns out that threw in a couple of additional scenes. Okay,

532
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,319
When Riggs and Murta entered the hotel that they're going

533
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,079
upstairs to meet Leo, there's a hot tub, three lovely ladies,

534
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,559
and Murta has to tear Rigs away from getting into.

535
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,039
Speaker 1: This hot tub.

536
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: And I'm watching it, going, I have never seen this before.

537
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,039
Speaker 1: I have not seen that scene at all nice kind

538
00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:44,799
of fun. That's great. Okay, So the one kind of

539
00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:47,799
sad and emotional. I mean, obviously you've got Riggs is

540
00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:50,839
mad because he's found out that Adolph has killed not

541
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,599
only his wife but his brand new love interest. Right,

542
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,000
that's an emotional scene and tough, right, Yes, But there's

543
00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:02,960
another earlier emotional scene that kind of sets that all up,

544
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:06,440
when Riggs is in the kitchen talking to MARTA's wife.

545
00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:09,480
She's found the gold pin, right, yeah, and he gives

546
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,759
her the whole story behind the gold pin and how

547
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:14,200
that's related to the death of his wife. Okay, so

548
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,480
sad part of the movie. So as you're kind of empathizing,

549
00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:20,160
you probably don't realize what Riggs is doing.

550
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 2: He's making chili.

551
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: Do you know what he's doing to the chili is

552
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,680
the adding oreos? He is adding oreos to the chili.

553
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 2: Oh, I've never noticed that before. Yes, Wow, what do

554
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,200
you want you chili with oriols? Oh my gosh, that's crazy.

555
00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:36,079
Speaker 1: Hey, and I actually want to try chili with oreos. Now,

556
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,559
I'm like, wait a minute, that might work. Like I've

557
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:40,839
heard of people putting chocolate in in chili before. Maybe

558
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,279
oreos actually would work.

559
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 2: Hey, if we ever have a like a surely get together,

560
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,359
we need to have chili with Oreos. Hey, I do

561
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,559
want to talk about the scene you mentioned before. First

562
00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:53,920
of all, let's back up. You have all types of

563
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,559
things that are set up and paid off that work beautifully.

564
00:27:57,799 --> 00:27:59,920
At the beginning, Riggs takes a bet that he can

565
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,440
get out of a straight jacket. He's got five minutes

566
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,960
to get out of the straight jacket. And there's a

567
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,000
guy who worked at psych Ward. He's like, because I

568
00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:07,880
worked at psyche Ward, you'll never get out of this thing.

569
00:28:08,079 --> 00:28:09,920
And he says, oh yeah, I watch this, and he

570
00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:13,880
separates his own shoulder and that allows him the flexibility

571
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,839
to get out of the straight jacket. And then he

572
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,039
of course has to put it back in. And it's

573
00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:21,000
a setup that pays off later. But it's a funny setup,

574
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:23,279
and it's like, this is like a screenwriting class.

575
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,759
Speaker 1: Why do you do this to yourself? Who else am

576
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:26,799
I going to do it? Right?

577
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 2: It's so enjoyable you don't realize that they're dropping obvious

578
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:31,920
hints for later down.

579
00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: It's Chekhov's gun. It's like if there's a gun on

580
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,799
the wall, and in Act one, somebody better be getting

581
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:37,680
shot by act three.

582
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: Right, So later on in the movie, and here's the

583
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:44,799
other thing. So later on the movie Forstead which he

584
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,319
calls Adolph, it's the bad guy, it's the main henchman.

585
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,920
He's talking to him and he says, hey, you know,

586
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:52,599
we put a hit on and you got too close

587
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:52,960
to us.

588
00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: A couple of years back.

589
00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: We put a hit on in you and I drove

590
00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:58,839
forced your car off the road went down. That was

591
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,759
your wife, right, Yeah, so you have a payoff from

592
00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:05,240
Lethal Weapon one. Yeah, that's set up way back then.

593
00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:07,640
Two years prior when Leith the Weapon one came out,

594
00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:10,720
you finally found out who killed Vicky Riggs, and Martin

595
00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:13,799
Riggs is like had just healed from this and now

596
00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:16,640
he's it's open wounds again. And not only that, they

597
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,680
throw him in the water and there's this brand new

598
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:22,440
girlfriend and she's dead. You talk about shocking and angry.

599
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:26,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a great sequel. I mean, so I

600
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:28,279
realized we're kind of I'm getting ahead of this a

601
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:30,799
little bit. But this made more money than the first

602
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:33,519
movie did. Sure, Like the first movie was a huge success,

603
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,519
like fifteen million dollar budget made like one hundred and

604
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:40,440
twenty million this one made even more money. It's the

605
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,119
most successful movie of the franchise. Actually. Yeah, But something

606
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,000
that they had in this movie that they didn't have

607
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:51,400
in the original Lethal Weapon was Mel Gibson's gun. He

608
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,200
had a different gun in this movie. Okay, in this

609
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:58,319
one he had a read a ninety two FS and

610
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:01,119
he used it again. W three, he used it again.

611
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,920
Leath the weapon. Four, blow your mind again.

612
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,039
Speaker 2: I know where you're going. I got it.

613
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,119
Speaker 1: Did you have your Season's Greetings tape with you?

614
00:30:09,319 --> 00:30:12,279
Speaker 2: My gosh, this is John mcclean's gun from die Hard.

615
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: He is using John Wine's gone from Diehard.

616
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:17,559
Speaker 2: That is like the holy grail of the action movie

617
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,200
making in the eighties.

618
00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: Yuh wow, not just die Hard, Diehard too and Diehard

619
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,319
with a Vengeance. So literally they're trading the gun back

620
00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:26,920
and forth to each other. I kind of wish there

621
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,359
was a moment where, like their guns get mixed ups

622
00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:32,200
in one of the movies. Hey, I was talking to

623
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:32,920
Jeff Johnson.

624
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he and I both kind of enjoy this kind

625
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,079
of idea of movie mashups. You could easily have Sergeant

626
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:43,759
al Powell working at the same police station as Riggs

627
00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:45,880
and Murta wouldn't it have been cool if they'd have

628
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,480
worked in Reginald L. Johnson, just even if he just

629
00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:49,359
walked by the screen.

630
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: You're like Al Powell just a nod, Yeah, just a

631
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:53,119
what's up? Nod? Yep?

632
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:54,319
Speaker 2: How cool would that have been?

633
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: Yeah?

634
00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:57,559
Speaker 2: Okay, there's another scene I got to talk to you

635
00:30:57,599 --> 00:30:58,759
about for Leath the Weapon two.

636
00:30:58,839 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: Yep.

637
00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: I mean both of these movies are full of classic

638
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:04,759
movie moments. But when Murta goes everybody's out of town,

639
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,839
he pulls out his favorite fishing magazine and he starts

640
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:14,119
his you know, day off with who Morning Constitutional Library. Yeah,

641
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,119
his moment alone, and he sits on the toilet and

642
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,880
he realizes when he looks over the toilet roll, it's

643
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,440
been written boom, You're dead, Which that's not very you

644
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,160
know smart if you're a hitman to alert the person

645
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,000
that you know you're putting a hit on them. So

646
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,319
he goes missing. They send Riggs over to look, and

647
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,720
Riggs bust in. Of course, Leo gets his run around

648
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,000
the house like you know, Wiley coyote, and they realize

649
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,680
that there's a bomb attached to this toilet, and you

650
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:41,920
have this great scene between Riggs and Murta where it's

651
00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:44,519
emotional number one and he does it all kind of

652
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:47,119
with his facial features and he's like hey man, and

653
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,599
Rig's like, I know it's unspoken. I love you right

654
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,599
and thank you essentially, and Riggs is like, hey, I'm

655
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,359
I'm here with you. I'm gonna stand with you. We're

656
00:31:56,359 --> 00:31:56,880
going to do this.

657
00:31:57,359 --> 00:31:58,279
Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere.

658
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's great scene where he pulls him about, they

659
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,960
pull the curtain down and kaboom, the toilet blows up.

660
00:32:03,079 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: It's just a great funny scene. You know, it's a

661
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,119
great funny scene. But you're right, it's an emotional scene. Like,

662
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:13,319
at no point are they more vulnerable and more connected, Like.

663
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm gonna die on the toilet.

664
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: Guys like you don't die on the toilet. Yeah, Like,

665
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,519
and it's you're right. He doesn't say words, he just

666
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,200
expresses it visually and he's he is. It is the

667
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:28,599
way that we see that they could not be closer

668
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,839
than any other two human beings. When he when he's

669
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,960
trying to tell him get out of here Riggs, and

670
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:35,759
Riggs just looks at him and then looks back at

671
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:38,559
Martn is not like it's just not even a question. Right,

672
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:41,279
I'm not going. I'm not going. So yeah, it tells

673
00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:42,200
you how close they are.

674
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:46,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's fantastic. The chemistry is so on point.

675
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:49,480
And right before that moment, you have a really great

676
00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:51,599
laugh out loud moment. Riggs is like, man, I got

677
00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:53,480
to get the bomb squad in here. Get I got

678
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:55,319
to call all these people. And he's like, hey, man,

679
00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:56,960
give me a break. I'm on the toilet, you know.

680
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,400
And he's like, oh no, I'll keep it low key.

681
00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:03,119
And the next scene is like firetrucks and sirens of

682
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,279
people running everywhere. It's so funny, but it is. You

683
00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:07,839
have an emotionally charged moment there.

684
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, So Riggs's place, it's just the nastiest place

685
00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:16,519
in the world. Okay, it's so disgusting. Joe Peshi cleaned

686
00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:18,200
it up for him, right, Well, okay, so that's what

687
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,599
I'm gonna talking about. Okay, So there's that scene where

688
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,279
Joe pesci is he's cleaning up like he's cleaning up

689
00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:26,039
riggs His place, and it looks like he moves it

690
00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:29,240
from looking like a college dorm to looking like a

691
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,799
bed and breakfast. Right, he is amazing what he's done.

692
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:34,359
With a vacuum cleaner where But when you come in

693
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,279
on that scene, all right, Leo is singing a song.

694
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,119
Did you notice what the song was? No, the song

695
00:33:40,240 --> 00:34:02,319
is called I'm Not Scared? Is this the Patsy Kinset song?

696
00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:06,400
This is from the short lived British pop group Eighth

697
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:11,719
Thunder with lead singer patsiekins It. You got it? Yes,

698
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:13,159
mad is fantastic.

699
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: Okay. Another payoff that comes down the road is just

700
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,719
a minor thing when Riggs is changing TV channels and

701
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:20,960
he comes to the Three Stooges.

702
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: Three Stooges, right because and it is from the extended

703
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,639
version of Lethal Weapon one because I don't think that

704
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,639
scene was in the theatrical cut, but you see him

705
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,360
in the extended cut. He picks up a prostitute. That's right,

706
00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:38,239
and you've, you know, all of a sudden you're like, ooh,

707
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,599
this guy may be not the good guy that I

708
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:43,079
think he is. Right, And the reason he's picking up

709
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:45,159
the prostitute is he's taking her home so they can

710
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:48,960
watch Three Stooges. And by the way, Moill Gibson huge

711
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,400
Three Stooges fan. And of course then that leads into

712
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:55,880
the bursting into the office with the fish tank.

713
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: I love it.

714
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,159
Speaker 1: Okay. So have you heard of the Mandela effect? Yes,

715
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:13,400
I mean we all have at this point, right. You

716
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,039
know why you told me about that? You know why

717
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:16,519
it's called the Mandela effect.

718
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: Though, because people misremember things about Nelson Mandela.

719
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:23,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like there there is a significant contingent of the

720
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:28,360
population that believe Nelson Mandela died in the nineties sometime, Okay, right,

721
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,480
And I mean if if you're unfamiliar with this, it's

722
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:36,000
like a significant contingent of the population believes it's beren Steinbars,

723
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,119
which I believe until I read it to my kids.

724
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:40,760
I'm like, why is it baron Steinbars? Like something happened

725
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,920
in the matrix and they change the letters. Dilemma has

726
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,639
no inn in it. A lot of people think dilemma

727
00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:48,599
has an inn and dilemna, but it's not. It's never

728
00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:50,519
been that, but for some reason a lot of us

729
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:54,239
feel that way. Okay, anyway, back to Mandela. Mandela, without

730
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,920
getting too political on things, but he's a huge part

731
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,880
of the apartheid issue in South Africa. He was imprisoned,

732
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:05,840
ultimately released, ultimately became the President of South Africa. After

733
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,679
apartheid had ended, but they were already making movies about

734
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,239
him in the eighties. As a matter of fact, there

735
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,199
was a movie in nineteen eighty seven It is just

736
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,239
for HBO. It wasn't at the theaters, but that movie

737
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,800
in nineteen eighty seven called Mandela. You know who played Mandela.

738
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: Sidney Pottier, Danny Glelover, Danny Glover. Dang it. You were

739
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,199
setting up for that and I should have easily picked

740
00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:29,440
that up.

741
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: Yep.

742
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,599
Speaker 2: Hey, there's a little nod to Lethal Weapon two in

743
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:34,840
Lethal Weapon four.

744
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: Okay.

745
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 2: It has to do with Chinese immigrants and Myrtaw believes

746
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,360
he's free enslaves. But on the refrigerator there's a sticker

747
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,920
that says stop Apartheid, which is a nod back, of

748
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:47,960
course to Leith Webbon two.

749
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,599
Speaker 1: It's been on the refrigerator since Leth A wepon ion.

750
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,840
I noticed it whenever I saw when we did our

751
00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:56,440
really did Our Lethal Weapon versus Diehard episode. I noticed

752
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,599
as I was watching movie the stop Apartheid sticker was

753
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,119
on the refrigerator in the very first movie.

754
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 2: Oh that's cool, Okay. I want to talk to you

755
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,280
about my least favorite scene in the movie. Actually least

756
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,920
favorite's kind of strong. But the scene that just doesn't

757
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,920
seem real to me, okay, is when Riggs is going

758
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,519
to go to the house on stilts, hook his truck

759
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:18,360
up and tear down the house on Steltz.

760
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:22,119
Speaker 1: It is ridiculous. It's ridiculous, Like it's the truck is

761
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:25,280
bouncing back and forth like it's on a Looney Tunes cartoon. Right,

762
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,440
I mean, what an incredible flaw and architectural architectural design

763
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:31,880
to allow it to be able to be pulled down

764
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,199
by a pickup truck. Yeah, I mean, I get it's

765
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:34,840
a duly, but.

766
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 2: Come on, he's gonna pull his axe allout.

767
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: So that scene cost one hundred thousand dollars really five hundred,

768
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:45,840
I don't know that I would call it worth it, Like,

769
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,280
I mean, it was, it's impressive what happened, but it

770
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,079
was like, is the payoff really that great? Yeah? I

771
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:53,320
don't really think so. Yeah, but I don't I don't

772
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,320
think so. Yeah. No, I agree with you. It takes

773
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,400
away the fact that the way that he's doing it,

774
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,639
like if he had a win and there was some

775
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:02,920
sort of something that looked more than just like I'm

776
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,000
giving it all the gas I can give it. That

777
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:08,400
would have been better. But yeah, yeah, it was. It

778
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:09,480
was a little ups and stem.

779
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: That actually is like the one thing that came over

780
00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:14,000
from the Shane Black script.

781
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: It is the only thing that came over.

782
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: Right, yeap, not a fan of that. Plus Leo was inside, right,

783
00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:19,559
Leo was inside.

784
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: Oh come on, well he he gave Merta the signal

785
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:24,400
watch for my signal.

786
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,079
Speaker 2: You know, we touched on it last episode. In fact,

787
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:29,440
we talked about it pretty good. But the condom commercial

788
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:31,639
at the beginning of the movie, it's one of those

789
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,719
chemistry moments because Riggs is over, you know, he's got

790
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,320
his shoes off, he's sitting indiansile on their couch and

791
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,320
there's little subtle things like Nick gets your feet off

792
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,960
the table and they're climbing over the stairs, just every

793
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:46,719
day Americana stuff, and they're all excited to watch Rann's

794
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:51,000
debut on television. She's a budding actress. And you realize

795
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,760
that it's a commercial for condoms. Yeah, and then for

796
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,840
the rest of the movie there's this Hey, that commercial's awesome.

797
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: She makes me want to buy rubbers. That line, Yeah,

798
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:05,039
that's the carpenter who they call McGee. Yes, the actor's

799
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:08,519
name is actually Jack McGee. Yeah, and he improved that line.

800
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:10,679
He was like, well, what's wrong with the commercial? Makes

801
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,480
me want to buy rubbers? It was I mean, what

802
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:15,880
a great moment for such a small part to be

803
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:16,480
able to take it.

804
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,519
Speaker 2: That's so funny. And then of course later the police

805
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:22,039
guys bring a plant covered with condoms and.

806
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:28,519
Speaker 1: Put it on Christmas tree because it is a Christmas movie. Yes, okay.

807
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:32,119
Speaker 2: One last scene I want to talk about is Riggs's

808
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,840
death slash non death at the end of leath Weapon too. Okay,

809
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,199
So you know, Riggs super pissed because now he's got

810
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,440
Rika and Vicki that he's trying to avenge.

811
00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:44,079
Speaker 1: He's not a top tonight, Roger. This is personal, right.

812
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:47,119
Speaker 2: They get caught in that giant container. They blow the

813
00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:49,599
car out and there's money everywhere. They set fire to

814
00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:52,440
the cars blowing up. Roger's even tempted to pocket some

815
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,119
of the money because it's enough to put all of

816
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:56,800
his kids through college. Riggs tells him, hey, take it, man,

817
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,480
do it. Yeah, but they're running around, they're shooting a

818
00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:02,239
bad guy, and then Riggs gets a knife in the

819
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,639
back like the hamstring. Yeah, that scene was intense because

820
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,320
Riggs is wounded, Adolf comes out and starts kicking his

821
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:09,960
butt a little bit, and then there's a fight over

822
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:10,599
the knife.

823
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,079
Speaker 1: The knife stays in his leg for most of the fight, Yeah.

824
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 2: Until he removes it to show it in the guy's

825
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:19,079
you know, in his own chest, much like the end

826
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:21,280
of Gladiator. I don't know if you notice that verty similar,

827
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,199
But at that moment you think, okay, Riggs kills adof

828
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,239
but then Erzin Rudd, out of nowhere, starts to shoot

829
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,559
Riggs right. That was originally intended to be his death scene.

830
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:33,480
They actually shot it both ways. Ultimately decided to have

831
00:40:33,559 --> 00:40:36,840
Riggs live, and I think that was a very very

832
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,360
good decision. You got two more movies out of it,

833
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:39,920
at least.

834
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about three Leath the Weapon five. It

835
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,199
was gonna happen like it was five. It was in

836
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:51,119
pre production, Yeah, in pre production until until Richard Donner died.

837
00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:54,119
Until Richard Donner died, And if you go to the IMDb,

838
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,920
it's back in in development instead of in pre production now.

839
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,280
But purther wishes of Richard Donner, the director is now

840
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,039
Mel Gibson perfect, perfect, but we who knows if we'll

841
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:08,719
ever see it. I mean mel Gibson's over sixty five,

842
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,239
Danny Glover's over seventy five. I mean it's.

843
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: Danny Glover was too old for this back in nineteen

844
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,920
eighty seven. Thirty yeah, right, Hey, you know you talk

845
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,199
about Mel Gibson being the director of leth the Webin five,

846
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:22,280
and I think that's the absolute right call, right.

847
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:22,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

848
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 2: This is the director of Braveheart and the Passion of

849
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,800
the Christ and Apocalypto, all these super successful movies.

850
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: Ok, Saw Ridge, Hecksaw Ridge.

851
00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: Is one of my all time favorite movies. But I

852
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,480
sent you a video that you can find on YouTube

853
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:39,719
where mel Gibson has a camera and he's running around

854
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,880
behind the scenes of Lethal Weapon two.

855
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: You sent me this video. You texted me the video

856
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:47,159
and I start watching it because it's called like the

857
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,719
Unauthorized Diary of Mel Gibson with the Webon two, right,

858
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,920
So I'm like, oh, this will be interesting, and I

859
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,440
start watching it, and about halfway through the video, I

860
00:41:56,559 --> 00:41:59,360
texted you and I said, this is so dumb. Do

861
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,199
I have to watch all the way? And You're like, no,

862
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,840
you probably pretty well got I mean, it's like it's

863
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,440
like me and my high school friends with my camcorder

864
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,920
when I was a kid. I mean, it's terrible. Rib

865
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:12,599
I mean I did. I wasn't able to get cameos

866
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:16,719
from Chevy Chase and Dan akroydheey Herman in my in

867
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,519
My Home video. But it's just stupid, like they're all

868
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:23,280
I mean, they're all acting like high school kids who

869
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,719
don't act would act. They're not even acting like actors.

870
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,679
And so yeah, I'm watching this thinking this guy directed

871
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,039
Brave Heart. Yes, well he learned a lot from from

872
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:34,840
eighty nine to ninety what was it ninety three? Brave

873
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,320
Heart was ninety five ninety five. Yeah, so he did

874
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,320
learn a lot apparently.

875
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: Yes, if you feel so inclined to go check out

876
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,159
that video on YouTube. It's horrible.

877
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,599
Speaker 1: Okay, I think we need we got to move on

878
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:48,280
to last Crusade at this one.

879
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: Let's move on to Last Crusade.

880
00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:57,119
Speaker 1: All right, Junia, Yes, sir, may they shoot Junior? Don't

881
00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:59,119
call me that please? Okay.

882
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:02,639
Speaker 2: We talked pretty instantly last time about the very beginning

883
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,639
the young Indie scenes with River Phoenix, where You've got

884
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:08,519
the cross, Coronado grabs the bull whip for the first time,

885
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:12,079
he gets the scar in his chin. It's a big day, right,

886
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,480
you have him not scared of snakes until he falls

887
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,599
in this giant container full of snakes. Yep, he gets

888
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:22,000
the hat from the guy they called Fedora was originally

889
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:25,199
supposed to be Abner Ravenwood. And then across of Coronado.

890
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,280
And then of course you flash forward and you've got

891
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,920
Indiana Jones on a ship battling for the Cross of

892
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,360
Coronado to get that it belongs in a museum, right,

893
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,599
and then they're like kill him, you know, throw him

894
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:39,239
over the side.

895
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: It's a ridiculous The boat seems ridiculous, and like, how

896
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,480
does he live? How does he get through that? And

897
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,639
how did the cross not sink to the bottom of

898
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:48,639
the ocean instantaneous?

899
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: I know, right. First of all, they're gonna kill him

900
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,760
by throwing him over the side. He's like, nope, I'm

901
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,320
gonna beat a couple of guys up. Then I'm gonna

902
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,639
jump over the side. Take that bad guys.

903
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,599
Speaker 1: Well, he realizes the boat's about to explode. Right, that

904
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,440
was dumb. It's fun, but it's dumb. They bring that

905
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,800
scene right back to us in the Adventures of Ten

906
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,519
Ten in the twenty first century. Oh yeah, I mean

907
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:11,599
the same thing. It ends in the boat exploding and

908
00:44:11,639 --> 00:44:14,079
them gathering just a bit of the treasure as they're

909
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,119
floating along.

910
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 2: Also, I want to talk about the scene at the library, okay,

911
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,800
where they've got Dad's diary and they've got the Roman

912
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:27,119
numerals and he's pointing that six, nine, where's ten?

913
00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:27,519
Speaker 1: Everywhere?

914
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: Where's ten? Looking for ten? That sea was really cool.

915
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:33,360
But they're standing on a tile that's like ten foot

916
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,000
by ten foot. It's not like it's the biggest X

917
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:36,320
in the world.

918
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,159
Speaker 1: You could just look down a oh that's ten right there.

919
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:41,760
That's an X. Yeah, but you have the X. It's

920
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:42,719
eluting us. Right.

921
00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: But they end up in the catacombs and you have

922
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,719
like the snakes in part one, like the bugs in

923
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,719
part two. You have this big scene with rats rats. Yeah,

924
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,599
what did you think of that scene?

925
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:54,599
Speaker 1: I thought it was a nice throwback, you know, like,

926
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,559
and he's afraid of snakes, his dad's afraid of rats.

927
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:02,719
Had rats ack, Yeah, right, lots of them? Yeah, yeah,

928
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:03,800
all thoughts get throw back.

929
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, they use a lot of real rats. But because

930
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,360
they didn't want to transfer any disease, they had to

931
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:12,079
grow their own rats. Okay, so they had like two

932
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:14,480
thousand rats that had never been in touch with any

933
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,280
other rats in the entire world ever, ever, ever, and

934
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,119
so they're essentially clean rats.

935
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: Okay, So this brings me, This brings me to an

936
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,840
interesting point. Now, we've talked about the composers in both

937
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,639
of these movies plenty of times before. Yes, we've got

938
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:31,400
John Williams with Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade. We've

939
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,639
got Mark Cayman with Leith a Weapon who he you know,

940
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,119
done a Mills pigs two.

941
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 4: Right.

942
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: John Williams still with us today, still making music, still kicking.

943
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,119
Mark Cayman passed away two thousand and three. But what

944
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:45,880
we haven't talked about, and this this I feel is

945
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,800
important in this one, is the other aspect of sound.

946
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:53,880
It's the sound editing and sound design of the movie itself.

947
00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:57,079
And throw back to a Patreon episode, you know who

948
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,920
the sound designer was for Indiana Jones and The Last

949
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:03,360
Crusade and Temple of Doom and Raiders of the Lost

950
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,079
Stark is right? Is it? Ben Burt? You got it?

951
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:06,840
It's Ben Burt.

952
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: I mean Ben Burt's the guy who created the sound

953
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,760
for The Guns and Star Wars and the lightsabers.

954
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean another part of that deal was the

955
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,440
sound of the guns. I mean, if you listen to

956
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,079
the sound of the guns and raiders and all of

957
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:20,159
the rest of the movies, it's not it's not a

958
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:23,199
small sound. Yeah. Well that's because they're using a thirty

959
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,840
thirty to make this sound.

960
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: That's true.

961
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,519
Speaker 1: They're to make the sound of a handgun of a pistol, right,

962
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:29,719
but it's it's big and powerful. It's like the hit.

963
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,199
It's like this and that one. I think they were

964
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,400
slapping a mattress.

965
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 2: Or a leather coat with a baseball bat.

966
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, slapping leather coats with a baseball bat is how

967
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,679
we get the punch sounds great. So back to the rats. Yes,

968
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,280
do you know what the sound of the rats is?

969
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:47,119
Speaker 2: No, I don't have no idea.

970
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: Chickens what chickens like. They couldn't figure out any rat sounds, right, Like,

971
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,960
they couldn't get any good rat sounds because rats really

972
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,159
don't make that much noise, right, pretty small. But chickens

973
00:46:58,159 --> 00:46:59,599
make a lot of noise. If you've ever been in

974
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:01,760
a chicken and pin, they make a lot of noise,

975
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,239
But they don't sound like rats. Okay, unless you speed

976
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,280
them up, and then that was the sound of the rats,

977
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:11,599
which you've got, of course, also the sound of the

978
00:47:11,639 --> 00:47:15,519
flame as the you know, remember the Knights Templar guys

979
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:17,920
start the fire and then all the rats are burning.

980
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,239
By the way, none of none of the rats in

981
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,559
the burn scene were actual real rats. Those were robot

982
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,119
elastic Yeah, not real rats. But anyway, but you have

983
00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:29,320
that awesome sound effect of all of the rats freaking

984
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,239
the frick out because there's a giant ball of fire

985
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:34,280
consuming everything.

986
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,199
Speaker 2: Insight, I'm going to talk about something awesome before I

987
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:40,440
talk about something that was kind of dumb. Okay, So

988
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,079
Indiana Jones is going through the catacombs. He's got doctor

989
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:47,800
Elsa Schneider with him m hm, and he rubs his

990
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,760
hand on the wall and you see.

991
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,639
Speaker 1: The arc of the Covenant. I mean, it's such a basic,

992
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,639
like it's basically like grade school drag. Like if I

993
00:47:56,679 --> 00:47:58,079
was going to draw the Arc of the Covenant in

994
00:47:58,159 --> 00:48:00,280
third grade, that's what it would have looked like. Yeah,

995
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,000
with a gray on, you know, just exactly. But you

996
00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:03,960
get the.

997
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,199
Speaker 2: John Williams, you get the musical score, the theme for

998
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:06,559
the arc.

999
00:48:06,679 --> 00:48:07,119
Speaker 1: Huh.

1000
00:48:07,159 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: And she's like, what's that, and he's like Sark the Covenant.

1001
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:12,760
She's like, are you sure? He's like pretty sure, which

1002
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,440
is a great throwback to Raiders.

1003
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: It is. Yeah, And he but as he throws it away,

1004
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,280
he totally throws It's I love that he throws it away.

1005
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,599
It makes it even better. Yeah, sure, pretty sure.

1006
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:25,119
Speaker 2: Then you end up with, you know, the Knights trying

1007
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:27,320
to kill him by dropping a match in the in

1008
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,920
the petroleum and in the river.

1009
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: I mean, by the way, he he lights a torch

1010
00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:35,880
himself and I'm watching the fire ripping off of that

1011
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:39,360
torch the entire time. How did that not? If one

1012
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,480
match can start that whole thing a blaze? Like Jerry

1013
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:45,480
Lee Lewis what what? Yeah, she had real rats in

1014
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,000
her hair. By the way, those were real. Those were

1015
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:50,440
not mechanical rats. She had the real rats in her hair.

1016
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:53,159
So good for her for tough and through that. And

1017
00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:56,159
then when they come out there and the like the bistro,

1018
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,880
like the right outside eating area of some calf in Italy.

1019
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:04,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, just they just pop out at coffee shop. But

1020
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:06,599
here's the thing, So those Knights are trying to kill them.

1021
00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:08,440
They've tried to burn them to death. You know, they

1022
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,239
jump on the boat and they're attacking them. They try

1023
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,400
to shoot them, they try to squeeze them between boats,

1024
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,239
they're trying to get them chopped up in a giant propeller.

1025
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,639
And he's like, tell me, where's my father, blah blah blah.

1026
00:49:18,679 --> 00:49:21,199
And then he's like, I'm not I don't even care

1027
00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:22,880
about the grail. I'm just looking for my dad. And

1028
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,400
then all of a sudden they're like, oh, well, in

1029
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:25,480
that case, God'll be with you.

1030
00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: All that.

1031
00:49:26,119 --> 00:49:28,639
Speaker 2: I was like, this is great action, but that didn't

1032
00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:30,360
make a lot of sense to me in the movie.

1033
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,199
Speaker 1: I agreed, agree, but I'm willing to look.

1034
00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: Over it because the action piece is so great.

1035
00:49:34,199 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: Okay, So as long as we're talking about things that

1036
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,079
don't work, like, I can live with a lot of

1037
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:43,800
that stuff, right right. What's troubling for me is really

1038
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,280
a very big aspect of the movie itself, and that

1039
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:51,159
is that the Knight's Templar. We know the story is

1040
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,159
three knights wandered into the wilderness. One hundred and fifty

1041
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,559
years later, one of them comes out, looks very old

1042
00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:02,519
and eyes on the spot, right, but before he dies

1043
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:05,760
passes this information right, right, and then we get the

1044
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,480
end of the movie where that what we have to

1045
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,400
say is the Third Night is still there protecting the grail,

1046
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:14,599
right right, Well, they had the grail when they went

1047
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:18,320
into the wilderness, okay, and then they got to this

1048
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,239
big cave. It's real place, by the way, Yeah, yeah.

1049
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 2: Tristan Martin's been there, by the way.

1050
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's yeah. I haven't been there, but I

1051
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,400
mean I was shocked to find out that this was

1052
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,800
not a Hollywood thing. That's that Petra is a real,

1053
00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:32,639
real thing carved into the rock like that. I think

1054
00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:37,960
it's in Jordan, okay, And so how is it that

1055
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:42,119
they get it into this spot that then after it's

1056
00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:45,960
taking it taken away from the spot, it causes an earthquake?

1057
00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:50,039
Like how does that? What? How does that make any sense? Like?

1058
00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:51,719
What what's going on here?

1059
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 5: That?

1060
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:55,119
Speaker 1: If if it's that magical, why did we need a

1061
00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:58,559
painted rock bridge? I mean it should have been really

1062
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:01,400
by faith, he was really walking on I mean, we

1063
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,400
didn't need the we didn't need the slicer, dicer, head

1064
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:07,800
chopper thing. It was all magical. So you just go

1065
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,519
with magical. So why is this cup if you crossed

1066
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:13,440
the seal that obviously the knights put there. I mean

1067
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:17,519
the grail didn't start there, right, Why does it cause

1068
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:20,679
earthquake whenever it crosses the seal?

1069
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: The answer to that question is I have no idea,

1070
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,599
but I will just tell you. You've got to believe boy.

1071
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'll tell you this. Yeah. Throw back to

1072
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,880
Ben Bird again. Yes, earthquake rubbing on a balloon combined

1073
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,119
with rolling rocks down a hill on Skywalker ranch. Okay,

1074
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:40,920
sounds good.

1075
00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 2: Another great scene from Indian Jones Part three.

1076
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,199
Speaker 1: Yeah. So tank scene. Yeah, that was a George Lucas

1077
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:49,840
like he wants to have a tank in this chase scene. Yeah,

1078
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,760
and it works well, like it's it's a scary moment. Yeah.

1079
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,079
Now I still said, why are we taking a tank

1080
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:59,360
to an archaeological dig? Is that necessary? We don't care? Yeah, right.

1081
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: Inside Petra Alexandretta tomb Alexandretta. Yeah, you have the three

1082
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:13,000
you have like the penitent man will pass test uh huh, yep,

1083
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:16,159
because a man kneels before God kneels. Then you have

1084
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:17,440
the footsteps of God.

1085
00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:20,159
Speaker 1: But in the Latin of a bit, Jehovah starts with

1086
00:52:20,199 --> 00:52:20,599
an eye.

1087
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you have the bridge of faith. I

1088
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:25,400
thought all those were great.

1089
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:30,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, historically interesting ideas that biblically relate to some

1090
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:35,719
things penitent man being one Jehovah, the name being the other,

1091
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,840
and then an act of faith. Yeah. No, I thought

1092
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,679
I thought that Boheam did a great job pulling those

1093
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,440
things out and making them like the art theory and

1094
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:46,840
heroes quests.

1095
00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:49,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, during that scene, you've also got

1096
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,320
the fact that his dad has been shot. Uh huh,

1097
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,800
and Marcus keeps yelling him, Andy, hurry, please hurry. So

1098
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,679
you've got all these challenges, but he doesn't have any

1099
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:00,519
time to spare.

1100
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,119
Speaker 1: Right, so puts the time pressure on. Got that clock

1101
00:53:04,159 --> 00:53:07,360
a Tickenah. It's fun, it's good Writing's good writing. Right there.

1102
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: We talked about how choosing the Cup of Christ. Once

1103
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,079
he gets through there, Donovan chooses.

1104
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: The wrong one. He chose poorly, he chose He just arbitraries.

1105
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,960
She's like this one. He's like, oh look, she's freaking

1106
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:26,000
knows what she is doing. She knows exactly what she's

1107
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:29,039
doing this one. He drinks the cup, right, so we

1108
00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:32,199
see him a front view drink the cup and the

1109
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,239
bottom of the cup is hollow with a little silver

1110
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,159
like a mom like is that a bolt that What

1111
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,199
is that? Why would they show us that? That's not

1112
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,480
the way old cup from that time would have looked.

1113
00:53:43,519 --> 00:53:46,400
They wouldn't have made it like that, but that's what

1114
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:46,679
they did.

1115
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously a very poor choice, yes, and then he

1116
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,039
goes through this aging process. It's kind of one of

1117
00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:55,679
the it's the big scary effect of this movie.

1118
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: It's the opening of the arc scene. Yeah, for sure.

1119
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,199
Like I told you, man, this it's very beat for

1120
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:02,719
beat the same movie.

1121
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,199
Speaker 2: Indy makes the the wise choice by selecting a wooden

1122
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,119
cup and then, like we said before, he's got to

1123
00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:12,800
carry it back to save his dad who has been shot. Right,

1124
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,039
but you can't take it past the seal. But what

1125
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:15,840
good is this thing?

1126
00:54:16,039 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: Right?

1127
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, you have this big earthquake. When

1128
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,920
Elsa tries to take it, she's like, we got it,

1129
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:25,440
let's go. Giant earthquake. Now, Elsa falls off. Andy grabs

1130
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,280
her and is trying to save her. She's trying to

1131
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,920
still reach the grail and he's like, Elsa, give me

1132
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,519
your other hand. I can't hold you. And she's trying

1133
00:54:33,519 --> 00:54:36,039
to grab the girl. Well she falls into nothing. This

1134
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,480
the same place that the girl in Uh Superman.

1135
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,039
Speaker 1: You know what, You're a pain in the neck.

1136
00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:47,079
Speaker 2: Then Indy falls off the edge. Henry Jones Senior grabs

1137
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:50,920
his hand. Andy's trying to grab the grail. This is

1138
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,400
the great part of this scene. He says, Indiana, let

1139
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,639
it go. And it's him calling him by his preferred name, right,

1140
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:03,199
that causes him to sort of come to his senses

1141
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:04,800
and pull himself out.

1142
00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 1: Right by the way, this, Junior, what does this mean.

1143
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,920
We named the dog Indiana, so everybody knows that Indiana

1144
00:55:14,039 --> 00:55:18,360
comes from George Lucas's dog. Yes, that was named Indiana. Yes,

1145
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:22,360
that was a malmoot. Yes, you see him in the

1146
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,280
first the river Phoenix comes into the house, comes in,

1147
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,320
and he walks in the door, and the dog looks

1148
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,480
up at him and it's it is that Malmot. Wow. Okay,

1149
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,440
So here's an interesting fact about Sean Connery. Yes, he

1150
00:55:36,519 --> 00:55:40,559
has a sweating problem. Yes, And so they're filming the

1151
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:44,000
scene in the zeppelin. Yep, you look at it. Think

1152
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,239
about all the people, all the women dressed in furs

1153
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,760
and hats and long dresses, and all the men are

1154
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,159
dressed in full three piece suits. Right, everything's all well,

1155
00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:55,639
it was summertime. It was hot yep, and Sean Connery says,

1156
00:55:55,679 --> 00:55:57,440
we're about to have this scene where they're sitting at

1157
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,199
the table talking about the different question you.

1158
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 2: Left right when you were getting interested. Yeah, what do

1159
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,599
you want to talk about? I'm here, let's talk. I

1160
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:06,639
don't know what to say.

1161
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,519
Speaker 1: Well, all right, it's work to do. So that scene,

1162
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,079
Sean Connery is like, guys, I'm taking off my pants

1163
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,199
and they're like what, no, sir, And he's like, guys,

1164
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,320
I have a sweating problem and it's hot, and so

1165
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,280
if you want this scene to play right, I mean,

1166
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:22,760
if it's supposed to be winter, I'm not going to

1167
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,039
be dripping sweat and wet in my clothes. So I

1168
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:28,119
got to lose the pants. And Harrison Ford is like,

1169
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,159
are you really going to take off your pants? He says, yeah,

1170
00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:33,280
I am. He goes and I'm going to take off

1171
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,840
my pants too, and so both Harrison Ford and Sean

1172
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,400
Connery are pantless during that scene.

1173
00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:41,039
Speaker 2: That's fantastic, Okay.

1174
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,119
Speaker 1: In this movie we get more of a payoff of

1175
00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:46,280
what we got teased with and Rangers of the Lost

1176
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,960
Ark with the nazis okay, Like he's you know, your

1177
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:55,039
boss to fear you know they have a few German soldiers,

1178
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,679
but in this movie, we go to Berlin and we

1179
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:05,320
don't just Hitler. We see all of the Nazis. And

1180
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,679
as it turned out, all of those costumes were actual

1181
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:13,199
German soldier costumes. Like they found a you know, some

1182
00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:17,480
closet full of German costumes or uniforms and they used

1183
00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:20,760
those for the costumes in this scene, right, the book

1184
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,760
burning scene. If you're forgetting what I'm talking about here,

1185
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,360
So you've got you've got Hitler, You've got the book

1186
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,440
burning scene. And I mean all of those guys are

1187
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:31,199
doing the Hile Hitler. Now in the nineteen eighties. This

1188
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,840
is not this is not too distant of future, ye,

1189
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:36,880
I mean this is like so people were still like

1190
00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:40,239
eh when they see these guys doing the hil Hitler thing,

1191
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,760
right forty years Nazis, I hate these guys. Yeah, I

1192
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,800
think that was totally out of Blues Brothers. By the way, Okay,

1193
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,760
I really do believe that was taken from Blues Brothers.

1194
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,280
But anyway, so Steven Spielberg is directing all of this

1195
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,239
a guy who's Jewish, like he's got like this is

1196
00:57:57,239 --> 00:57:59,360
a more meaningful thing. When the guy goes on to

1197
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,400
direction list right. Yeah, so in all of the scenes

1198
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:08,320
where the guys are doing the Zekyle hand salute, he said, okay, guys,

1199
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,000
I once you put your other hand behind your back

1200
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:10,840
and crush your finger.

1201
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,639
Speaker 2: Buddy, Hey, you know you and I talked about I

1202
00:58:13,719 --> 00:58:16,320
remember watching this in the movie theater. Yeah, when Indiana

1203
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,760
Jones has the Grail, He's gone to the Belly of

1204
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,679
the Beast to retrieve the Holy Grail Diary and he

1205
00:58:24,199 --> 00:58:26,519
takes it from Elsa. He gets kind of pushed in

1206
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:28,880
this direction, in that direction, and he ends up face

1207
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,519
to face with Adolf Hitler. Huh, and I remember when

1208
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:35,360
we're in the theater, We're like, what is this? What

1209
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:38,400
is going to happen here? Hitler pulls out the book

1210
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:40,840
and then autographs.

1211
00:58:40,119 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: It and gives it back to you.

1212
00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 2: So the Holy Grail Diary has Adolf Hitler's autograph.

1213
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:47,639
Speaker 1: Crazy. Yeah, it's great.

1214
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,639
Speaker 2: All right. D Are we ready for final judgment?

1215
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: Yes we are? Yes we are. Is your soul prepared?

1216
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,639
My soul is prepared? How's yours? But here's a question

1217
00:58:55,679 --> 00:58:58,880
that you posed that we haven't discussed yet. Who is

1218
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,639
more important to the franchise? This is a big question

1219
00:59:02,679 --> 00:59:06,480
for you. Yeah, we get the introduction of Henry Jones sr.

1220
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,679
Sean Connery yep, and we get the introduction of Leo Gets.

1221
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,599
Can I give you to guys a friendly piece of advice? Okay,

1222
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,440
don't ever go up to the drive through? Okay, always

1223
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,960
walk up to the county you know what. Okay, they

1224
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,880
do it the drive Okay, they do it the drive

1225
00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:25,360
Who then goes on to do the next two movies

1226
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,920
with them? Yeah, he does. And so your question to

1227
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:33,159
me was which of these two is the more important character? Right?

1228
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:38,599
That's right for the franchise. Yes, it's a hard question. Obviously.

1229
00:59:38,679 --> 00:59:42,239
With Leo Gets, you get further characters from movie to movie.

1230
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:46,400
But Leo Gets does not provide you with an insight

1231
00:59:46,599 --> 00:59:52,599
into the soul and origin of Martin Riggs or Marta Right,

1232
00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:57,239
he doesn't. He's comic relief. He's an antagonist for them

1233
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,599
to play against. And he's great. Yes, I love him,

1234
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:06,679
he's great, but he's not something that adds meaning to

1235
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:11,039
the story. Adding a Henry Jones to take a character

1236
01:00:11,079 --> 01:00:14,159
that we already loved because he was a multi level character, right,

1237
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,840
like an imperfect hero, the anti hero, to take him

1238
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:23,440
and go, oh now, I'm beginning to understand why he

1239
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:26,800
is the way he is, and then also putting him

1240
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,360
in those situations where you know, even a prophet is

1241
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,639
not respected in his own country, like when he's around

1242
01:00:33,639 --> 01:00:35,880
his dad, he's still a little kid again, which is

1243
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,800
crazy because we've seen this guy, we've wanted to be

1244
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,840
this guy, and now are like, he's just a goofball

1245
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,559
guy who just wants his dad to love him. Right, Yeah,

1246
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:48,039
so it's got to be Henry Jones Senior. For me,

1247
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:49,000
it's got to be Sean Connery.

1248
01:00:49,039 --> 01:00:52,159
Speaker 2: Okay, I think this is a great question because of

1249
01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:55,440
those reasons that you mentioned. One adds levels to a

1250
01:00:55,519 --> 01:00:58,119
character that we know and love. The other ads laughs.

1251
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,920
So I'm taking Leo Goetz because he leveled up the

1252
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,480
franchise and because he stuck around for another two movies

1253
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:06,199
after them.

1254
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:10,239
Speaker 1: Right, So I'm going quantity. You're going quality, Right, Well,

1255
01:01:10,239 --> 01:01:12,480
you can't really blame Sean Connery for not wanting to

1256
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,199
hang around for the next movie after I can't whose

1257
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,679
name shall not be spoken on this podcast, that's right.

1258
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 2: That final shot of the Last Crusade as they ride

1259
01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:26,440
off into the sunset, yes, which was added at the

1260
01:01:26,519 --> 01:01:30,440
last second by the way. Yeah, shot in Amarillo, Texas.

1261
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,360
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

1262
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: Okay, So since you said that, I had this trivia bit,

1263
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,039
but I didn't think it was interesting enough. Yeah, Petro,

1264
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:41,280
we said in Jordan when they're when they're on the

1265
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,639
horses outside of the Petra, they're having the conversation about

1266
01:01:44,679 --> 01:01:48,920
what junior means. Right, Yes, those four horses were owned

1267
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:53,320
by the King of Jordan, King Hussein. Wow, he let

1268
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,840
them borrow his horses to film that scene.

1269
01:01:56,239 --> 01:02:03,519
Speaker 2: That's great. All right, we are the final judgment between

1270
01:02:03,559 --> 01:02:08,679
these two amazing sequels of the Summer of nineteen eighty nine.

1271
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: You go first.

1272
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,679
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so let me just say right off the

1273
01:02:13,679 --> 01:02:15,679
bat Raiders of the Lost Dark is my all time

1274
01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:20,320
favorite movie. Temple of Doom was fun for me in parts,

1275
01:02:20,519 --> 01:02:23,079
and I am a defender of Temple of Doom, but

1276
01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:26,760
its tone, the darkness of it kind of let me

1277
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,000
down a little bit. Willie Scott drives me insane the

1278
01:02:29,039 --> 01:02:29,639
whole time.

1279
01:02:29,719 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: So I was.

1280
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 2: Really really pleased with where part three went. I think

1281
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:39,280
the addition of Sean Conry's character was a big level up,

1282
01:02:39,639 --> 01:02:43,079
and it pushes it almost to Raiders level. Right if

1283
01:02:43,159 --> 01:02:45,719
Raiders is a ten out of ten for me. Last

1284
01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:47,960
Crusade's probably a nine out of ten. I mean, it's

1285
01:02:48,119 --> 01:02:50,599
so good, so fun, it's very enjoyable.

1286
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,199
Speaker 1: It does have its faults.

1287
01:02:52,719 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 2: That are a little bit unrealistic in some spots, but

1288
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,360
it's so much fun that I just love it. Leath

1289
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,079
the Weapon two a sequel to a movie that I

1290
01:03:02,119 --> 01:03:05,400
loved as well, but it improved on the franchise so

1291
01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:08,559
much by adding the chemistry that we already love you

1292
01:03:08,599 --> 01:03:11,800
add Leo gets you, add humor. The chemistry has grown,

1293
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:15,360
the characters have grown, the action is off the charts.

1294
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,519
I absolutely love leth Weapon two. I'm casting my vote.

1295
01:03:19,559 --> 01:03:22,239
I am going to say that I enjoy Lethal Weapon

1296
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:26,840
two just a tad more than Indiana Jones and Last Crusade.

1297
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,320
So mark me down Leath's Weapon two.

1298
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: Okay, So we've talked before, and I've said before I

1299
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,800
think that maybe Last Crusade is better than Raiders. Is

1300
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:39,280
the lost.

1301
01:03:39,199 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 2: Art that's for blasphemy, Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

1302
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: That might have been deserved, right, So in rewatching it again,

1303
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,280
I watched this movie several times with the kids. Last Crusade,

1304
01:03:52,719 --> 01:03:54,639
I watched it more than I watched Traders with them

1305
01:03:54,639 --> 01:03:56,760
because you didn't have melting faces in this one, right, Right,

1306
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,679
You've got one scene where the head goes rolling down

1307
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,920
the like a bowling ball, but that was enough, that's fine, right,

1308
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,280
But in rewatching it, I did see more of the

1309
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,840
problems than I had kind of noticed before. I felt

1310
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:16,199
like the religious imagery in this one was stronger than

1311
01:04:16,239 --> 01:04:18,400
it was in Raiders, which was impressive to me because

1312
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,760
it was really strong in Raiders. Right at this point,

1313
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,360
I don't know that I would say that it's better

1314
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,599
than Raiders, but they are so dang close, Like I mean,

1315
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,719
you're saying A ten and a nine and I'm saying

1316
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:34,239
a nine point seven and a nine point five. You know,

1317
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:39,639
like they're super close, especially because of Sean Connery. Right now,

1318
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:43,760
the question is not whether it's better than Raiders or not.

1319
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:47,639
It's whether it's better than Lethal Weapon, that's right or not.

1320
01:04:48,239 --> 01:04:50,840
And again, in leth a Weapon two, you find out

1321
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:56,840
some history, right, you find out what happened to Vicky Riggs.

1322
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,280
Just like both movies, We've got some expositional history that

1323
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:06,800
like gives these characters more flesh, more reality. But at

1324
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:10,480
the end of the day, they're both so good that

1325
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:13,719
it honestly it comes down to do I want to

1326
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,119
watch a cop movie or do I want to watch

1327
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:20,719
an action adventure movie? And almost always the answer to

1328
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:22,920
that question for me is going to be an action

1329
01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:27,280
adventure movie. The fantasy level, even though it's reality, the

1330
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:34,280
fantasy level of the supernatural, the religious aspect, the beautiful

1331
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,719
retelling of I mean, it's a perfect sequel. It is

1332
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,840
it is. It is really just taking it and mixing

1333
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:42,599
it up and telling it to us in a different way.

1334
01:05:42,719 --> 01:05:46,039
Sure is done so well, I got to pick Lasker

1335
01:05:46,119 --> 01:05:47,880
say love it. I love it.

1336
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,079
Speaker 2: I don't blame you at all.

1337
01:05:50,039 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: I love both. That's fantastic.

1338
01:05:51,519 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 2: Well, we want to hear from you, guys, how did

1339
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,000
we do? Where are you on this argument? Where do

1340
01:05:56,039 --> 01:05:58,599
you stand with which is the best sequel?

1341
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: By the way, just to just to add on to that,

1342
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,280
I was confident when I started this process that I

1343
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,559
was going to pick that last Crusade. I knew I was, yeah,

1344
01:06:08,199 --> 01:06:11,480
But I was shocked at how much I liked Leath

1345
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,599
a Weapon too, because I didn't remember it being as

1346
01:06:14,599 --> 01:06:18,119
good as it was, and it is fantastic. It was

1347
01:06:18,199 --> 01:06:20,519
a much closer race by the time they finished than

1348
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:22,800
I thought it was going to be. These are two

1349
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,000
incredible movies, and if you haven't seen him in a while,

1350
01:06:25,519 --> 01:06:28,360
go back and watch them again. Watch them with your kids,

1351
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,559
watch them with your family, and tell us who got

1352
01:06:31,559 --> 01:06:33,559
it right? Did Jason get it right leath the Web

1353
01:06:33,639 --> 01:06:34,880
two or did I get it right? Last?

1354
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 2: Crusade might want to fast forward past patsy Kinson's boobs

1355
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,159
if you're watching with your kids. Hell yeah, all right,

1356
01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:42,920
what do we have next week?

1357
01:06:43,679 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: Next week? Well, it's rush week. It is It's rush week.

1358
01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:50,880
You know what that means. Time for some hazing, time

1359
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:56,280
for some drinking and sex CapAids. It's time to go

1360
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,719
back to school, back to college.

1361
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 2: Yep, we are compared hearing Revenge of the Nerds from

1362
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,679
nineteen eighty four versus Animal House nineteen eight.

1363
01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:09,679
Speaker 1: My gosh, that means that those movies are forty and

1364
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:15,280
forty six years old. I wonder how much different colleges

1365
01:07:15,519 --> 01:07:19,119
now than it was forty and forty six years ago.

1366
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 2: Come back next week and we'll find out.

1367
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: Thanks, guys, appreciate you so much. Guys. Hope you liked

1368
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,400
the song we had last week. Sounds like an eighties

1369
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,119
man to me. The surely you can't be serious band

1370
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:34,400
is back again and they have a shurly theme song

1371
01:07:34,519 --> 01:07:43,719
for us guys. Here it is, surely you can't be serious.

1372
01:07:44,159 --> 01:07:45,440
When I was a little.

1373
01:07:45,239 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 5: Boys prop me so much, John and the music kick

1374
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:57,920
but not nothing today, and the world went insane. But

1375
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:02,840
that's when surely chain indeed be joy in that same

1376
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,199
old way.

1377
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 4: Say there's the time to see Shay.

1378
01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: We won't cross the streets. Surely this can be the

1379
01:08:14,519 --> 01:08:15,639
best there is.

1380
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:22,600
Speaker 4: Say to my rocket queen, come back against the rec

1381
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:23,399
and scene.

1382
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:25,560
Speaker 1: Surely you can't you.

1383
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:37,119
Speaker 4: Can't be serious, Freddie Jason, Michael Scaria doesn't. Cat's Massesteria

1384
01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:44,159
feels like the dark side of the wall. Sony cats

1385
01:08:44,199 --> 01:08:48,640
a monaqueen cass. He is a killer queen, but.

1386
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 1: We'll spite the football.

1387
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 4: Say there's the time to see Showy.

1388
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: We won't cross the streets.

1389
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 4: Surely this can't be the best there is, Shany. You'm

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rocket queen coming back against the record machine. Surely you can't,

1391
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you kid be serious?

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Speaker 2: Tommy and Gina they both knew Bill Intick.

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Speaker 1: They knew it too.

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Speaker 3: Shuly's raw and tell you he is.

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Speaker 4: Daniel Crane kid. Johnny's face, we are rock digging in

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the wrong place.

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Speaker 1: Surely you kid.

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Speaker 4: They serious had shot first, Rocky became a truck at

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Hans Booby was the worst.

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Speaker 5: J K.

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Speaker 1: I am serious and don't call me Shirley. Surely you

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can't be Sy.

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Speaker 4: You can't. You can't be Surely you can't.

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Speaker 1: You can't be.

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Speaker 4: Serious Sony, you can't. You can't be Sury you can

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you can't be Sully. You can you can't be serious.