WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:04.679 Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason, this week 2 00:00:04.719 --> 00:00:08.279 covering the nineteen ninety seven film Alien Resurrection. 3 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:15.720 Welcome to Spacing Out. 4 00:00:15.759 --> 00:00:18.960 I'm Bb and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the 5 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:21.960 Alien franchise. One movie at the time, and at the 6 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:24.559 moment of this recording, the fourth film is available to 7 00:00:24.640 --> 00:00:28.879 stream on Hulu and or Stars Stars. 8 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:30.120 Is that still a thing? 9 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:30.920 Yep? 10 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:32.799 Wow. 11 00:00:32.799 --> 00:00:35.280 This podcast is being released on two different podcast feeds, 12 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:37.359 So if you've found it through the Spacing Out with 13 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:39.840 Alien podcasts, and I invite you to check out our 14 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:42.520 main channel, Spacing Out with BB and Jason, where we've 15 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:46.399 covered things like Battlestar Grolactica, Star Trek Our Flag Means Death. 16 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:50.200 Today we are focusing on only Alien resurrections, so if 17 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:53.920 there's any discussion of subsequent entries into the franchise, we 18 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:56.079 will save that for a spoiler section at the end 19 00:00:56.079 --> 00:01:00.359 of the podcast. So, Alien Resurrection premiered on November six, 20 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:04.319 nineteen ninety seven, written by Joss Whedon and directed by 21 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:08.959 Jean Pierre Jue. In this movie, two hundred years after 22 00:01:08.959 --> 00:01:11.920 the events of Alien three, Ellen Ripley is cloned and 23 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:14.640 an alien queen is surgically removed from her body. The 24 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:18.719 United Systems military hopes to breed aliens to study and 25 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:23.480 research on the spaceship USM route or Riga using human 26 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:27.079 hosts kidnapped and delivered to them by a group of mercenaries. However, 27 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:29.879 Ripley's DNA gets mixed up with the Queen's DNA and 28 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:33.920 she begins to develop enhance strength and reflexes. The aliens 29 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:37.079 escape their enclosures, while Ripley and the mercenaries attempt to 30 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:41.599 escape and destroy the Ariga before it reaches its destination Earth. 31 00:01:44.599 --> 00:01:44.840 Five. 32 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:45.239 Check. 33 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:49.439 Did we like the movie overall? How does it stand 34 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:50.359 the test of time? 35 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:51.879 How'd this one sit with you? 36 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:55.760 I liked it. I liked it a lot. It featured 37 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:59.359 a lot of character actors that were familiar with so 38 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:02.560 it was nice to see a familiar face and it 39 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:05.920 had a little bit of camp kind of sprinkled in, 40 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:10.520 So that was fun. Wasn't like super serious all the time? Yeah, 41 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:12.960 there were like moments where it was kind of breaking 42 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:15.439 the fourth wall and pain silly. It literally felt like 43 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:18.599 just in like the faces that they would make, like 44 00:02:18.759 --> 00:02:23.840 when that one guy died, the guy that looks like 45 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:27.400 Richard Nixon, the guy with the eyebrows. Yeah, he passed away. 46 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:31.919 He was so funny. And they did that a couple 47 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:34.479 of times with some of the death scenes where it's 48 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:39.039 just like humorous deck. So that was fun. And then 49 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:44.039 obviously it had strong female leads and they worked well 50 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:44.719 with each other. 51 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:49.080 Yeah, more than one woman in this movie, right. Yeah, 52 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:51.280 this is a weird one for me because, like, I 53 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:53.520 do kind of enjoy it. It's kind of fun. It's 54 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:57.199 weird and campy, but it's also like it's so far 55 00:02:57.280 --> 00:02:59.639 removed from like that first Alien movie. 56 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:02.840 Oh yeah, Like I would not compare it to the 57 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:06.520 first Alien movie at all. This is a Joss Whedon 58 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:10.039 production for sure, But I think it's better than some 59 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:11.439 of the other ones we've seen. 60 00:03:11.879 --> 00:03:14.560 Yeah, I think I would take it over Alien three. 61 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:18.240 I would take it over Alien two as well. But 62 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:22.360 I know I'm a controversial. Yeah, I'm a controversial girly. 63 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:25.960 I just don't like all those like guns and like 64 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:31.000 that military talk and these grunts and stuff. The mercenaries 65 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:34.240 had a softer edge to them. There was more a 66 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:38.199 more like familial sense to them, you know, like family, 67 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:42.039 like we don't leave anybody behind. Very interesting. 68 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:45.240 Yeah, so I don't know, it's weird. I went in 69 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:48.639 a weird direction and like it definitely wasn't like a 70 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:49.960 necessary movie. 71 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:52.560 Yeah, like I could, I could take it or leave 72 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:57.960 it in terms of the franchise's like storyline, I guess, 73 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:00.280 But I thought it was good. I liked it. I 74 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:03.800 thought it was interesting that they were cloning her, and 75 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:07.759 that was kind of glossed over a little until the 76 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:10.240 middle of the movie where they like show like all 77 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:13.560 their failed attempts, and then that was kind of interesting. 78 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:15.759 Yep, all right, let's learn how this came about? 79 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:22.720 Trivia time what facts could we uncover for Alien Resurrection? 80 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:26.000 So impressed with his work as a screenwriter, twentieth Century 81 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:29.040 Fox hired Joss Whedon to write the film script. His 82 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:32.040 initial screenplay had a third act set on Earth with 83 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:34.920 a final battle for Earth itself, and the studio initially 84 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:37.279 imagined that the film would center around a clone of 85 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:38.879 the character Newt from Aliens. 86 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:41.279 Was Newt Oh the crula white girl? 87 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:50.000 Yeah, Marney her, Yes, hate that, And that's just because 88 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:52.120 Ellen Ripley had died at the end of Alien three, 89 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:53.199 So they were figured they were. 90 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:54.879 Going to move on from that, and so we didn't 91 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:57.439 began writing this before being formed, as the studio now 92 00:04:57.480 --> 00:05:00.000 intended to base the story on a clone of Ripley 93 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:01.839 because they saw her as the anchor of the series 94 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:04.560 and weren't ready to let that go yet. Sigourney Weaver 95 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:07.319 wanted to liberate the character in Alien three, as she 96 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:10.120 did not want Ripley to become a figure of fun 97 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:15.839 who would continuously wake up with monsters running around too bad. However, 98 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:19.160 Weaver was impressed with Whedon's script, and she received a 99 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:22.639 co producer credit and was reportedly paid eleven million dollars. 100 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:26.360 Good for her and in her own words, they basically 101 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:28.439 drove a dump truck full of money to my house. 102 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:32.639 French filmmaker Jean Pierre Joanet was asked to direct, as 103 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:35.439 the film's producers believed he had a unique visual style 104 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:37.800 and he required an interpreter as he did not speak 105 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:38.959 much English, so. 106 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:41.560 Him and his interpreter directed. 107 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:45.240 Yes, so every direction took twice as long. Really, the 108 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:48.519 basketball shot was Sigourney Weaver's idea, and she insisted on 109 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:50.839 doing it for real. She trained with a basketball coach 110 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:51.879 over the course of a month. 111 00:05:56.399 --> 00:06:02.480 She couldn't learned more ball handling with that. Oh Man 112 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:06.439 that's too much. Okay, that was the silliest scene to me. 113 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:12.319 And reports on this very but some places say that 114 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:15.079 she made the shot on the first take, the over 115 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:18.519 the back shot, and then Ron Pearlman nearly ruined the 116 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:21.160 take by reacting onscreen to her making the shot. 117 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:24.600 Ron Peerlman is a boy. Hell boy. 118 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:27.319 Yeah. So a large water tank was constructed for the 119 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:30.560 underwater scenes, and swimming was a required skill for cast 120 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:33.519 and crew signing onto the film. The castman week straining 121 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:35.800 in pools for the scene. Why no, A writer had 122 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:37.959 not been in the water since she nearly drowned at 123 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:40.560 the age of twelve, and she struggled with anxiety during 124 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:41.000 the shoot. 125 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:43.800 That sucks. I could have lived without that scene too. 126 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:47.720 It was so unnecessary, Like it looked pretty sure, but 127 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:49.319 I don't. It made no sense. 128 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:51.160 I think it's pretty interesting. 129 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:54.360 It just was out of left field. What the fuck 130 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:57.720 is a pool of water a kitchen full of water 131 00:06:57.839 --> 00:06:58.759 doing in space? 132 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:03.480 The film use of puppets, animatronics, miniatures, and only u 133 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:06.639 CGI when the alien's legs were in frame. Joane was 134 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:10.439 adamant about the hybrid having genitalia, which resembled a mix 135 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:14.120 of male and female sexes twenty century Fox was uncomfortable 136 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:17.800 with this, and then Geniteliu genitalia on the animatronics were 137 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:22.680 digitally removed. Ah boomoooo boomooooo. 138 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:28.800 I hate that. That's part of the human biology, isn't it. Yep, 139 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:34.160 Damn gave us a Kendall version of the vision. Okay, 140 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:34.600 what else. 141 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:37.480 For the release of the two thousand and three Alien 142 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:41.480 Quadrilogy box set, Joane created an alternate version of the 143 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:44.560 film with a different opening and closing scenes. We watched 144 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:47.360 the original theatrical one just because it didn't seem like 145 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:50.920 it was that different. The budget was seventy million and 146 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:53.480 the box office return was one hundred and sixty one million. 147 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:56.680 Critical response was mixed, with the praise going to Sigorney 148 00:07:56.680 --> 00:08:00.800 Weaver's performance and the visuals. Jean Pierre Johnee has stated 149 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:02.600 to be proud of the film, but he swore off 150 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:05.720 Hollywood after his experience on it. Not sure what the 151 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:07.959 genital experience, what gitals? 152 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:14.279 Okay, his true artistic vision was clouded by CGI. 153 00:08:14.560 --> 00:08:18.959 Yeah, they really needed him. Joss Whedon has been openly 154 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:21.639 critical of the film, and although they changed the ending, 155 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:24.279 it was mostly a matter of doing everything wrong. They 156 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:26.759 said the lines mostly, but they said them all wrong. 157 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:29.319 They cast it wrong, they designed it wrong, they scored 158 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:31.000 it wrong, and they did everything wrong that they could 159 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:31.519 possibly do. 160 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:32.759 What a little bitch? 161 00:08:32.919 --> 00:08:33.159 Right? 162 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:35.279 What a little bitch? 163 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:39.440 Yeah? Definitely wasn't the script. Joss. A sequel the Resurrection 164 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:42.720 was planned as Wheden has had written an Earth set 165 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:46.399 script for Alien five, and Sigourney Weaver was not interested 166 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:49.320 in the setting, but has remained opening to remained open 167 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:51.879 to reprising her role as Ellen Ripley on the condition 168 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:52.200 that she. 169 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:55.360 Likes the story good for her, I love her, Yes. 170 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:58.559 And I believe she has repeated that recently as well, 171 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:00.519 that she would return to the franchise. 172 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:01.080 Yeah. 173 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:03.879 More sequels were planned to follow Resurrection, but they're ultimately 174 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:07.360 abandoned as a focus shifted to the crossover series Alien 175 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:10.759 Versus Predator and then later to the prequel film Prometheus. 176 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:14.559 The storylines of Resurrections have been continued in the comic 177 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:20.639 series Aliens Versus Predator, Versus The Terminator, and the books 178 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:24.480 Aliens Original Sin and Alien Sea of Sorrows. 179 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:30.879 Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts 180 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:33.759 on the film. You can share your thoughts with us 181 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:37.559 through email or social media. We may use your comments 182 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:39.120 on an upcoming episode. 183 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:40.799 Got any opening thoughts. 184 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:46.200 It was interesting that when we cut, when we first 185 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:52.399 open the scene, we see basically adolescent nude, like a 186 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.360 bald nude, sugordiny weaver in adolescent form. 187 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:58.919 Yeah, kind of they're. 188 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:04.360 Growing, Yeah, but they show her like Mont's pubis or whatever, 189 00:10:04.639 --> 00:10:08.360 and it's without hair. And then they pull back and 190 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:12.039 she's still there and her hands are across her chest 191 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:15.080 so you can't see her breasts. But they didn't let 192 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:21.039 you see the adult Mont's pubis. How rude. I want 193 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:25.799 to see it fully developed. It's so interesting what Hollywood 194 00:10:25.879 --> 00:10:27.600 deems is appropriate and what's not. 195 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:32.759 Yeah, and then so Charlie, So they cut the alien 196 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:34.799 set out of her and all. And shortly after that, 197 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:36.799 when she's kind of waking up for the first time, 198 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:38.159 she already has a manicure. 199 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:42.279 A manicure, Yeah, she has her nails done in the 200 00:10:42.440 --> 00:10:45.120 sack that they put her in. So they put her 201 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:52.559 in a weird dryer sheet bag and she emerges with 202 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:56.440 her fresh nail set and she rips out of it 203 00:10:56.480 --> 00:11:02.480 with her like stiletto like nails. Yeah, And I'm like wow, 204 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:03.559 and like. 205 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:06.360 Or did they like hack her biology to get for 206 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:07.559 those nails all the time. 207 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:11.200 Well, it seems that this might be part of her 208 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:17.480 biology then, because previous versions of her had alien like 209 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:22.200 you know, like arms and legs, and they didn't fully develop. 210 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:25.600 So maybe that's like a remnant of the alien because 211 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:30.240 the alien has fierce nails. Yeah, you can't deny it. 212 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:34.440 The bitch has nails and they are shiny and long 213 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:37.600 and dark. And maybe that's kind of like alluding to 214 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:43.600 her like being not of this world anymore. But I 215 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:46.559 thought it was funny because I'm like a fresh set 216 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:50.840 and you're kinda pushed through this fabric. It's gonna ruin 217 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:56.279 your nails. Girl. It was funny. And she's non verbal too, 218 00:11:56.639 --> 00:11:59.799 they're like teaching her words and shit, it's it's like 219 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:05.000 they're very interested in like seeing her develop. Yeah, and 220 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:07.679 she seems to be confused, like why do you care? 221 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:10.519 But then we find out it's because there's been so 222 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:14.960 many failures that she's kind of an anomaly. Sorry. 223 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:18.519 Yeah, And so it turns out her DNA is crossover 224 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:21.600 with the alien that was inside of her, which verse 225 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:23.679 I don't know that they really explain, like how they 226 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:25.440 got her DNA to Cloner. 227 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:28.639 I don't know how you can clone her with the 228 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:31.879 thing inside of her right, because that's like a fetus. 229 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:36.240 You can't. If you clone a person, you can't. It's 230 00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:42.200 gonna be a human without being inseminated. That's a separate human, 231 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:47.720 that's a separate entity. It lacks a lot of logic here. 232 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:51.519 I think you have to suspend your disbelief or whatever 233 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:56.159 they call it. But they could have just cloned the 234 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:59.679 fucking alien inside of her and left her alone. But 235 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:04.000 they want so Gourney we were in this movie. Yep, 236 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:04.799 they want Mother. 237 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:08.559 So she's a superhero. Now she's got super strength. She 238 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:11.159 can play basketball, as we can see your skills on 239 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:11.559 the court. 240 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:14.279 I really wish she would have learned how to do 241 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:19.120 the basketball spin on the finger, but it would have 242 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:21.159 sucked up her mannequre. I think that's why she could 243 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:24.080 have been it for like five seconds. I wanted a 244 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:28.720 good like spin, like like with her middle finger, just 245 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:31.320 spinning that basketball, showing off. 246 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:33.639 I think if they were going to do that basketball scene, 247 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:36.480 they should have had like a full game there. They 248 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:40.159 should have Sigourney versus like for those guys. 249 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:43.559 Like a real basketball game. That would have like, I 250 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:46.960 think the basketball took me out of it, like completely, 251 00:13:47.919 --> 00:13:51.159 Like it was weird. It was weird. We're in a 252 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:53.840 spaceship and we're playing basketball. 253 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:57.720 So everything that they trained months for the basketball and 254 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:00.159 the swimming that wasn't your thing, well. 255 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:02.080 Was none of my things. They could have saved so 256 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:05.519 much money not doing any of that shit. I wanted 257 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:08.799 to talk about how the whole ship is handicap accessible. 258 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:13.879 That is the future I want to live in. This 259 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:17.519 guy could go anywhere in the ship for the most part, yep, 260 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:21.279 because there was elevators everywhere. The only reason they couldn't 261 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:24.440 get to the elevators was because of the dam aliens. 262 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:28.000 I wish they would have packed his wheelchair, like, I 263 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:31.799 wish they would have had his like regular folding wheelchair 264 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:36.600 that people mostly use for travel, because usually people who 265 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:40.679 have wheelchairs or wheelchair users, if they have a powerchair, 266 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:44.679 they sometimes have a travel chair too that's more packable 267 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:47.720 and easy. But I don't know. I just thought it 268 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:51.039 was really interesting that they included a person in a wheelchair. 269 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:54.159 That's pretty cool that this one is like the most 270 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:58.519 inclusive film that we've seen so far in terms of 271 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:05.240 like diverse characters and representation of other types of people. 272 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:08.360 Yeah, and a lot more survivors in this one too. 273 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:09.639 Yeah. I like that. 274 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:12.120 I mean, I don't have too many deep thoughts about 275 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:12.679 this one. 276 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:16.559 Like I really liked Wanona in it. She was classic 277 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:18.519 Wanona with her little pixie cut. 278 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:19.559 Yeah, she was really good. 279 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:20.720 She was so good. 280 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:25.279 And then Sigourney Weaver was definitely playing like, I know, 281 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:28.639 this variation of Ripley that you couldn't really trust, and she. 282 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:30.919 Was right, you were like wondering seeing. 283 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:33.080 The world a little differently. And m mmm. 284 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:35.840 I like that though it was a different character for her. 285 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:37.440 That that's really interesting. 286 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:39.039 Yeah, Like she just. 287 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:41.279 Because you have her memories doesn't make her you. 288 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:45.519 Yeah, and she never really felt like the old Ripley either. 289 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:47.679 And I'm glad they didn't do that because I feel 290 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:51.240 like that would have been really cheesy and stupid. I 291 00:15:51.320 --> 00:15:54.799 like that they made that part of her character like this, Like, 292 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:59.720 but she's so strong compared to Wanona in her other 293 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:06.279 not And that's so emblematic of the relationship older women 294 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:10.039 have with their bodies compared to younger women, Like, older 295 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:13.159 women are more sure and more okay with who they are, 296 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:18.200 whereas younger women are still kind of struggling to find 297 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:21.039 themselves and be okay with who they are. It was 298 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:26.000 interesting kind of dynamic that they kind of portrayed in film, 299 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:28.799 because we don't see that a lot. Usually an old 300 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:32.279 woman is like trying to recapture her youth and trying 301 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:39.399 to appease men or save a marriage or do something silly, 302 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:42.879 whereas this is a strong, confident woman who is sure 303 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:46.759 of herself and she doesn't need anybody's approval to be 304 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:49.879 who she is. And that is so powerful. And I 305 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:54.559 think Joss Whedon kind of knows how to write women 306 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:58.440 like this, and you know what I mean, Like it's 307 00:16:58.519 --> 00:17:02.039 kind of emblematic of his writing style that he writes 308 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:03.240 strong confident women. 309 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:04.880 Yeah, yeah, he does. 310 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:07.559 So I liked seeing that in this franchise. 311 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:11.680 Yeah, and there's definitely some like the like the Quippi 312 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:14.680 dialogue that he's known for and all his shows, like 313 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:17.880 that's coming through here. Even if he says like they 314 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:20.920 didn't read his lines right and they played it straighter 315 00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:22.119 than they should have or stuff. 316 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:26.480 I mean, it's a This film franchise is not known 317 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:31.519 for its campiness. No, so when he's bringing camp, you're 318 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:35.119 gonna get pushedback there He's lucky they got as much 319 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:37.720 camp as they did out of the film, because if 320 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:40.720 it was him running the show for real, real, it 321 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:43.240 would have been like them running through the halls with 322 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:50.000 Benny Hill as the background music. Sometimes you got to 323 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:54.160 let go of that artistic vision in order to you know, 324 00:17:54.319 --> 00:17:57.799 meet the the ip where it lives. 325 00:17:58.559 --> 00:18:01.880 Yeah. And then he later you created Firefly, which is 326 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:05.799 also about like a group of space mercenaries. 327 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:07.359 Renegade road going out there rogue. 328 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:10.680 Yeah. So anyway, enough about him. He's been revealed to 329 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:13.240 be kind of a shit person. So oh okay, I 330 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:17.240 didn't know why known as a robot. Oh yeah, that 331 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:19.039 surprised me. I did not remember that at all. 332 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:23.319 I was totally caught off guard. Yeah, I was super surprised. 333 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:26.960 Yeah, because she was playing so emotional and stuff. 334 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:31.160 Yeah, and then like the exposition about like, oh you're 335 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:34.759 stuck a model year old easy BBB. That was too much. 336 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:37.839 That guy was just like I was so annoying. Oh, 337 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:41.000 let me explain everything about this. Catch everyone up. Yeah, 338 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:44.440 how'd you feel about seeing all those failed experiments? 339 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:52.880 Well, I took anatomy and physiology and microbiology and all 340 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:58.519 of these like science classes in my community. College where 341 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:04.599 we had a preserved fetus that had spina bifida and 342 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:09.599 it was like fairly large, like pretty close to like birth, 343 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:15.839 and it reminded me of that, like this preserved life 344 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:20.000 that didn't get to live at all, like just like 345 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:25.880 genetically wrong thing. Well, but it's also like this idea 346 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:31.039 that just because there's something wrong with your genetics, that 347 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:35.720 doesn't mean that you're not worthy of living. Right, Like 348 00:19:35.799 --> 00:19:39.000 there's this debate that like a lot of people have, 349 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:43.279 like where we should abort children that are going to 350 00:19:43.319 --> 00:19:48.240 be born deformed, And I think that's an interesting thing 351 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:51.759 to think about in this situation where they had these 352 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:55.759 failed attempts. But it's not clear to me seeing them 353 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:59.559 floating in these jars whether they are living or if 354 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:03.519 they are dead. Yeah, so that's not clear. So the 355 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:08.720 symbolism of her exploding the jars doesn't make sense to 356 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:11.680 me if they were already like kind of floating in 357 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:16.000 in stasis or not living. So it's just kind of 358 00:20:16.039 --> 00:20:22.039 like very what's the word not chaotic, but like what 359 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:24.599 is the word? I can't think of it. It's it's 360 00:20:24.759 --> 00:20:28.400 just like she's going through the motions and ordered for 361 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:32.960 her to mend something in her, But I feel like 362 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:36.079 I don't know, and in the way that she killed 363 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:42.200 that one Sigourney, you know, where she's like kill me 364 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:46.079 and she's like, okay, let me light you on fire. 365 00:20:46.599 --> 00:20:48.759 One of the worst ways to fucking die. 366 00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:53.640 That's that's like torture, bro. 367 00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:57.519 You should have just put a bullet in her head 368 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:00.519 or smothered her with a pillow, or choked her or 369 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:03.200 done something else, because the way you did it was 370 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:09.000 just like horrifying. Yes, it was horrifying, and like, I 371 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:12.519 don't know, there was like who knows. Maybe that's the 372 00:21:12.599 --> 00:21:15.079 Gourney could have had a very happy and full life 373 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:17.400 if she would have had like a surgery to detach 374 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:21.119 her arm, and she could have used a wheelchair like 375 00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:24.880 that guy, like we don't know, she could speak, she 376 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:30.240 could have formed thoughts. She obviously had depression and the 377 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:34.039 way that they were treating her at this facility made 378 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:36.839 her feel like she was not worthy of living. But 379 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:40.920 does that give us permission to kill her because she's 380 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:44.680 she wants to die when her she could potentially have 381 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:48.319 a rich and fulfilling life given a little bit of 382 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:51.079 time and resource and care. I don't know. I had 383 00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:54.200 a lot of thoughts about that you opened the Pendler's Box. 384 00:21:56.079 --> 00:21:58.880 How about you? What did you think about that whole situation. 385 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:02.720 Well, it's like they didn't explore any of that they 386 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:06.359 like that you're talking about, Like they didn't. There's no 387 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:09.599 there's no like message in there really about like the 388 00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:13.119 ethics of cloning and about like the value of these 389 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:14.880 lives or anything. 390 00:22:14.920 --> 00:22:16.440 There was nothing. It was very vapid. 391 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:21.200 It seemed to be emotional for uh Ripley number eight, 392 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:25.680 but she didn't really process out loud anything. So yeah, 393 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:28.119 I don't know. It was just a weird little side 394 00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:28.920 step in the movie. 395 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:32.720 It was a literal side step, a literal like vignette 396 00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:37.119 into this other movie that could have happened, and then 397 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:41.680 we're sucked back into the darkness of the alien movie 398 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:45.039 and being stalked by these weird Well they're not really 399 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:47.920 stalked by them in this episode or this movie. They're 400 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:50.680 not because there's like thirteen of them and they're not 401 00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:52.640