Speaker 1: Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason, this week
Speaker 1: covering the nineteen ninety seven film Alien Resurrection.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Spacing Out.
Speaker 3: I'm Bb and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
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Speaker 3: Today we are focusing on only Alien resurrections, so if
Speaker 3: there's any discussion of subsequent entries into the franchise, we
Speaker 3: will save that for a spoiler section at the end
Speaker 3: of the podcast. So, Alien Resurrection premiered on November six,
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven, written by Joss Whedon and directed by
Speaker 3: Jean Pierre Jue. In this movie, two hundred years after
Speaker 3: the events of Alien three, Ellen Ripley is cloned and
Speaker 3: an alien queen is surgically removed from her body. The
Speaker 3: United Systems military hopes to breed aliens to study and
Speaker 3: research on the spaceship USM route or Riga using human
Speaker 3: hosts kidnapped and delivered to them by a group of mercenaries. However,
Speaker 3: Ripley's DNA gets mixed up with the Queen's DNA and
Speaker 3: she begins to develop enhance strength and reflexes. The aliens
Speaker 3: escape their enclosures, while Ripley and the mercenaries attempt to
Speaker 3: escape and destroy the Ariga before it reaches its destination Earth.
Speaker 1: Five.
Speaker 3: Check.
Speaker 1: Did we like the movie overall? How does it stand
Speaker 1: the test of time?
Speaker 3: How'd this one sit with you?
Speaker 2: I liked it. I liked it a lot. It featured
Speaker 2: a lot of character actors that were familiar with so
Speaker 2: it was nice to see a familiar face and it
Speaker 2: had a little bit of camp kind of sprinkled in,
Speaker 2: So that was fun. Wasn't like super serious all the time? Yeah,
Speaker 2: there were like moments where it was kind of breaking
Speaker 2: the fourth wall and pain silly. It literally felt like
Speaker 2: just in like the faces that they would make, like
Speaker 2: when that one guy died, the guy that looks like
Speaker 2: Richard Nixon, the guy with the eyebrows. Yeah, he passed away.
Speaker 2: He was so funny. And they did that a couple
Speaker 2: of times with some of the death scenes where it's
Speaker 2: just like humorous deck. So that was fun. And then
Speaker 2: obviously it had strong female leads and they worked well
Speaker 2: with each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, more than one woman in this movie, right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is a weird one for me because, like, I
Speaker 3: do kind of enjoy it. It's kind of fun. It's
Speaker 3: weird and campy, but it's also like it's so far
Speaker 3: removed from like that first Alien movie.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like I would not compare it to the
Speaker 2: first Alien movie at all. This is a Joss Whedon
Speaker 2: production for sure, But I think it's better than some
Speaker 2: of the other ones we've seen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I would take it over Alien three.
Speaker 2: I would take it over Alien two as well. But
Speaker 2: I know I'm a controversial. Yeah, I'm a controversial girly.
Speaker 2: I just don't like all those like guns and like
Speaker 2: that military talk and these grunts and stuff. The mercenaries
Speaker 2: had a softer edge to them. There was more a
Speaker 2: more like familial sense to them, you know, like family,
Speaker 2: like we don't leave anybody behind. Very interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know, it's weird. I went in
Speaker 3: a weird direction and like it definitely wasn't like a
Speaker 3: necessary movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I could, I could take it or leave
Speaker 2: it in terms of the franchise's like storyline, I guess,
Speaker 2: But I thought it was good. I liked it. I
Speaker 2: thought it was interesting that they were cloning her, and
Speaker 2: that was kind of glossed over a little until the
Speaker 2: middle of the movie where they like show like all
Speaker 2: their failed attempts, and then that was kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: Yep, all right, let's learn how this came about?
Speaker 1: Trivia time what facts could we uncover for Alien Resurrection?
Speaker 3: So impressed with his work as a screenwriter, twentieth Century
Speaker 3: Fox hired Joss Whedon to write the film script. His
Speaker 3: initial screenplay had a third act set on Earth with
Speaker 3: a final battle for Earth itself, and the studio initially
Speaker 3: imagined that the film would center around a clone of
Speaker 3: the character Newt from Aliens.
Speaker 2: Was Newt Oh the crula white girl?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Marney her, Yes, hate that, And that's just because
Speaker 4: Ellen Ripley had died at the end of Alien three,
Speaker 4: So they were figured they were.
Speaker 3: Going to move on from that, and so we didn't
Speaker 3: began writing this before being formed, as the studio now
Speaker 3: intended to base the story on a clone of Ripley
Speaker 3: because they saw her as the anchor of the series
Speaker 3: and weren't ready to let that go yet. Sigourney Weaver
Speaker 3: wanted to liberate the character in Alien three, as she
Speaker 3: did not want Ripley to become a figure of fun
Speaker 3: who would continuously wake up with monsters running around too bad. However,
Speaker 3: Weaver was impressed with Whedon's script, and she received a
Speaker 3: co producer credit and was reportedly paid eleven million dollars.
Speaker 3: Good for her and in her own words, they basically
Speaker 3: drove a dump truck full of money to my house.
Speaker 3: French filmmaker Jean Pierre Joanet was asked to direct, as
Speaker 3: the film's producers believed he had a unique visual style
Speaker 3: and he required an interpreter as he did not speak
Speaker 3: much English, so.
Speaker 2: Him and his interpreter directed.
Speaker 3: Yes, so every direction took twice as long. Really, the
Speaker 3: basketball shot was Sigourney Weaver's idea, and she insisted on
Speaker 3: doing it for real. She trained with a basketball coach
Speaker 3: over the course of a month.
Speaker 2: She couldn't learned more ball handling with that. Oh Man
Speaker 2: that's too much. Okay, that was the silliest scene to me.
Speaker 3: And reports on this very but some places say that
Speaker 3: she made the shot on the first take, the over
Speaker 3: the back shot, and then Ron Pearlman nearly ruined the
Speaker 3: take by reacting onscreen to her making the shot.
Speaker 2: Ron Peerlman is a boy. Hell boy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So a large water tank was constructed for the
Speaker 3: underwater scenes, and swimming was a required skill for cast
Speaker 3: and crew signing onto the film. The castman week straining
Speaker 3: in pools for the scene. Why no, A writer had
Speaker 3: not been in the water since she nearly drowned at
Speaker 3: the age of twelve, and she struggled with anxiety during
Speaker 3: the shoot.
Speaker 2: That sucks. I could have lived without that scene too.
Speaker 2: It was so unnecessary, Like it looked pretty sure, but
Speaker 2: I don't. It made no sense.
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: It just was out of left field. What the fuck
Speaker 2: is a pool of water a kitchen full of water
Speaker 2: doing in space?
Speaker 3: The film use of puppets, animatronics, miniatures, and only u
Speaker 3: CGI when the alien's legs were in frame. Joane was
Speaker 3: adamant about the hybrid having genitalia, which resembled a mix
Speaker 3: of male and female sexes twenty century Fox was uncomfortable
Speaker 3: with this, and then Geniteliu genitalia on the animatronics were
Speaker 3: digitally removed. Ah boomoooo boomooooo.
Speaker 2: I hate that. That's part of the human biology, isn't it. Yep,
Speaker 2: Damn gave us a Kendall version of the vision. Okay,
Speaker 2: what else.
Speaker 3: For the release of the two thousand and three Alien
Speaker 3: Quadrilogy box set, Joane created an alternate version of the
Speaker 3: film with a different opening and closing scenes. We watched
Speaker 3: the original theatrical one just because it didn't seem like
Speaker 3: it was that different. The budget was seventy million and
Speaker 3: the box office return was one hundred and sixty one million.
Speaker 3: Critical response was mixed, with the praise going to Sigorney
Speaker 3: Weaver's performance and the visuals. Jean Pierre Johnee has stated
Speaker 3: to be proud of the film, but he swore off
Speaker 3: Hollywood after his experience on it. Not sure what the
Speaker 3: genital experience, what gitals?
Speaker 2: Okay, his true artistic vision was clouded by CGI.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they really needed him. Joss Whedon has been openly
Speaker 3: critical of the film, and although they changed the ending,
Speaker 3: it was mostly a matter of doing everything wrong. They
Speaker 3: said the lines mostly, but they said them all wrong.
Speaker 3: They cast it wrong, they designed it wrong, they scored
Speaker 3: it wrong, and they did everything wrong that they could
Speaker 3: possibly do.
Speaker 2: What a little bitch?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: What a little bitch?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Definitely wasn't the script. Joss. A sequel the Resurrection
Speaker 3: was planned as Wheden has had written an Earth set
Speaker 3: script for Alien five, and Sigourney Weaver was not interested
Speaker 3: in the setting, but has remained opening to remained open
Speaker 3: to reprising her role as Ellen Ripley on the condition
Speaker 3: that she.
Speaker 2: Likes the story good for her, I love her, Yes.
Speaker 3: And I believe she has repeated that recently as well,
Speaker 3: that she would return to the franchise.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: More sequels were planned to follow Resurrection, but they're ultimately
Speaker 3: abandoned as a focus shifted to the crossover series Alien
Speaker 3: Versus Predator and then later to the prequel film Prometheus.
Speaker 3: The storylines of Resurrections have been continued in the comic
Speaker 3: series Aliens Versus Predator, Versus The Terminator, and the books
Speaker 3: Aliens Original Sin and Alien Sea of Sorrows.
Speaker 1: Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
Speaker 1: on the film. You can share your thoughts with us
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Speaker 1: on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 3: Got any opening thoughts.
Speaker 2: It was interesting that when we cut, when we first
Speaker 2: open the scene, we see basically adolescent nude, like a
Speaker 2: bald nude, sugordiny weaver in adolescent form.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of they're.
Speaker 2: Growing, Yeah, but they show her like Mont's pubis or whatever,
Speaker 2: and it's without hair. And then they pull back and
Speaker 2: she's still there and her hands are across her chest
Speaker 2: so you can't see her breasts. But they didn't let
Speaker 2: you see the adult Mont's pubis. How rude. I want
Speaker 2: to see it fully developed. It's so interesting what Hollywood
Speaker 2: deems is appropriate and what's not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then so Charlie, So they cut the alien
Speaker 3: set out of her and all. And shortly after that,
Speaker 3: when she's kind of waking up for the first time,
Speaker 3: she already has a manicure.
Speaker 2: A manicure, Yeah, she has her nails done in the
Speaker 2: sack that they put her in. So they put her
Speaker 2: in a weird dryer sheet bag and she emerges with
Speaker 2: her fresh nail set and she rips out of it
Speaker 2: with her like stiletto like nails. Yeah, And I'm like wow,
Speaker 2: and like.
Speaker 3: Or did they like hack her biology to get for
Speaker 3: those nails all the time.
Speaker 2: Well, it seems that this might be part of her
Speaker 2: biology then, because previous versions of her had alien like
Speaker 2: you know, like arms and legs, and they didn't fully develop.
Speaker 2: So maybe that's like a remnant of the alien because
Speaker 2: the alien has fierce nails. Yeah, you can't deny it.
Speaker 2: The bitch has nails and they are shiny and long
Speaker 2: and dark. And maybe that's kind of like alluding to
Speaker 2: her like being not of this world anymore. But I
Speaker 2: thought it was funny because I'm like a fresh set
Speaker 2: and you're kinda pushed through this fabric. It's gonna ruin
Speaker 2: your nails. Girl. It was funny. And she's non verbal too,
Speaker 2: they're like teaching her words and shit, it's it's like
Speaker 2: they're very interested in like seeing her develop. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: she seems to be confused, like why do you care?
Speaker 2: But then we find out it's because there's been so
Speaker 2: many failures that she's kind of an anomaly. Sorry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so it turns out her DNA is crossover
Speaker 3: with the alien that was inside of her, which verse
Speaker 3: I don't know that they really explain, like how they
Speaker 3: got her DNA to Cloner.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you can clone her with the
Speaker 2: thing inside of her right, because that's like a fetus.
Speaker 2: You can't. If you clone a person, you can't. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be a human without being inseminated. That's a separate human,
Speaker 2: that's a separate entity. It lacks a lot of logic here.
Speaker 2: I think you have to suspend your disbelief or whatever
Speaker 2: they call it. But they could have just cloned the
Speaker 2: fucking alien inside of her and left her alone. But
Speaker 2: they want so Gourney we were in this movie. Yep,
Speaker 2: they want Mother.
Speaker 3: So she's a superhero. Now she's got super strength. She
Speaker 3: can play basketball, as we can see your skills on
Speaker 3: the court.
Speaker 2: I really wish she would have learned how to do
Speaker 2: the basketball spin on the finger, but it would have
Speaker 2: sucked up her mannequre. I think that's why she could
Speaker 2: have been it for like five seconds. I wanted a
Speaker 2: good like spin, like like with her middle finger, just
Speaker 2: spinning that basketball, showing off.
Speaker 3: I think if they were going to do that basketball scene,
Speaker 3: they should have had like a full game there. They
Speaker 3: should have Sigourney versus like for those guys.
Speaker 2: Like a real basketball game. That would have like, I
Speaker 2: think the basketball took me out of it, like completely,
Speaker 2: Like it was weird. It was weird. We're in a
Speaker 2: spaceship and we're playing basketball.
Speaker 3: So everything that they trained months for the basketball and
Speaker 3: the swimming that wasn't your thing, well.
Speaker 2: Was none of my things. They could have saved so
Speaker 2: much money not doing any of that shit. I wanted
Speaker 2: to talk about how the whole ship is handicap accessible.
Speaker 2: That is the future I want to live in. This
Speaker 2: guy could go anywhere in the ship for the most part, yep,
Speaker 2: because there was elevators everywhere. The only reason they couldn't
Speaker 2: get to the elevators was because of the dam aliens.
Speaker 2: I wish they would have packed his wheelchair, like, I
Speaker 2: wish they would have had his like regular folding wheelchair
Speaker 2: that people mostly use for travel, because usually people who
Speaker 2: have wheelchairs or wheelchair users, if they have a powerchair,
Speaker 2: they sometimes have a travel chair too that's more packable
Speaker 2: and easy. But I don't know. I just thought it
Speaker 2: was really interesting that they included a person in a wheelchair.
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool that this one is like the most
Speaker 2: inclusive film that we've seen so far in terms of
Speaker 2: like diverse characters and representation of other types of people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot more survivors in this one too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't have too many deep thoughts about
Speaker 3: this one.
Speaker 2: Like I really liked Wanona in it. She was classic
Speaker 2: Wanona with her little pixie cut.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was really good.
Speaker 2: She was so good.
Speaker 3: And then Sigourney Weaver was definitely playing like, I know,
Speaker 3: this variation of Ripley that you couldn't really trust, and she.
Speaker 2: Was right, you were like wondering seeing.
Speaker 3: The world a little differently. And m mmm.
Speaker 2: I like that though it was a different character for her.
Speaker 2: That that's really interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like she just.
Speaker 2: Because you have her memories doesn't make her you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she never really felt like the old Ripley either.
Speaker 2: And I'm glad they didn't do that because I feel
Speaker 2: like that would have been really cheesy and stupid. I
Speaker 2: like that they made that part of her character like this, Like,
Speaker 2: but she's so strong compared to Wanona in her other
Speaker 2: not And that's so emblematic of the relationship older women
Speaker 2: have with their bodies compared to younger women, Like, older
Speaker 2: women are more sure and more okay with who they are,
Speaker 2: whereas younger women are still kind of struggling to find
Speaker 2: themselves and be okay with who they are. It was
Speaker 2: interesting kind of dynamic that they kind of portrayed in film,
Speaker 2: because we don't see that a lot. Usually an old
Speaker 2: woman is like trying to recapture her youth and trying
Speaker 2: to appease men or save a marriage or do something silly,
Speaker 2: whereas this is a strong, confident woman who is sure
Speaker 2: of herself and she doesn't need anybody's approval to be
Speaker 2: who she is. And that is so powerful. And I
Speaker 2: think Joss Whedon kind of knows how to write women
Speaker 2: like this, and you know what I mean, Like it's
Speaker 2: kind of emblematic of his writing style that he writes
Speaker 2: strong confident women.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he does.
Speaker 2: So I liked seeing that in this franchise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's definitely some like the like the Quippi
Speaker 3: dialogue that he's known for and all his shows, like
Speaker 3: that's coming through here. Even if he says like they
Speaker 3: didn't read his lines right and they played it straighter
Speaker 3: than they should have or stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a This film franchise is not known
Speaker 2: for its campiness. No, so when he's bringing camp, you're
Speaker 2: gonna get pushedback there He's lucky they got as much
Speaker 2: camp as they did out of the film, because if
Speaker 2: it was him running the show for real, real, it
Speaker 2: would have been like them running through the halls with
Speaker 2: Benny Hill as the background music. Sometimes you got to
Speaker 2: let go of that artistic vision in order to you know,
Speaker 2: meet the the ip where it lives.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then he later you created Firefly, which is
Speaker 3: also about like a group of space mercenaries.
Speaker 2: Renegade road going out there rogue.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So anyway, enough about him. He's been revealed to
Speaker 3: be kind of a shit person. So oh okay, I
Speaker 3: didn't know why known as a robot. Oh yeah, that
Speaker 3: surprised me. I did not remember that at all.
Speaker 2: I was totally caught off guard. Yeah, I was super surprised.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because she was playing so emotional and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like the exposition about like, oh you're
Speaker 2: stuck a model year old easy BBB. That was too much.
Speaker 3: That guy was just like I was so annoying. Oh,
Speaker 3: let me explain everything about this. Catch everyone up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: how'd you feel about seeing all those failed experiments?
Speaker 2: Well, I took anatomy and physiology and microbiology and all
Speaker 2: of these like science classes in my community. College where
Speaker 2: we had a preserved fetus that had spina bifida and
Speaker 2: it was like fairly large, like pretty close to like birth,
Speaker 2: and it reminded me of that, like this preserved life
Speaker 2: that didn't get to live at all, like just like
Speaker 2: genetically wrong thing. Well, but it's also like this idea
Speaker 2: that just because there's something wrong with your genetics, that
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you're not worthy of living. Right, Like
Speaker 2: there's this debate that like a lot of people have,
Speaker 2: like where we should abort children that are going to
Speaker 2: be born deformed, And I think that's an interesting thing
Speaker 2: to think about in this situation where they had these
Speaker 2: failed attempts. But it's not clear to me seeing them
Speaker 2: floating in these jars whether they are living or if
Speaker 2: they are dead. Yeah, so that's not clear. So the
Speaker 2: symbolism of her exploding the jars doesn't make sense to
Speaker 2: me if they were already like kind of floating in
Speaker 2: in stasis or not living. So it's just kind of
Speaker 2: like very what's the word not chaotic, but like what
Speaker 2: is the word? I can't think of it. It's it's
Speaker 2: just like she's going through the motions and ordered for
Speaker 2: her to mend something in her, But I feel like
Speaker 2: I don't know, and in the way that she killed
Speaker 2: that one Sigourney, you know, where she's like kill me
Speaker 2: and she's like, okay, let me light you on fire.
Speaker 2: One of the worst ways to fucking die.
Speaker 3: That's that's like torture, bro.
Speaker 2: You should have just put a bullet in her head
Speaker 2: or smothered her with a pillow, or choked her or
Speaker 2: done something else, because the way you did it was
Speaker 2: just like horrifying. Yes, it was horrifying, and like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, there was like who knows. Maybe that's the
Speaker 2: Gourney could have had a very happy and full life
Speaker 2: if she would have had like a surgery to detach
Speaker 2: her arm, and she could have used a wheelchair like
Speaker 2: that guy, like we don't know, she could speak, she
Speaker 2: could have formed thoughts. She obviously had depression and the
Speaker 2: way that they were treating her at this facility made
Speaker 2: her feel like she was not worthy of living. But
Speaker 2: does that give us permission to kill her because she's
Speaker 2: she wants to die when her she could potentially have
Speaker 2: a rich and fulfilling life given a little bit of
Speaker 2: time and resource and care. I don't know. I had
Speaker 2: a lot of thoughts about that you opened the Pendler's Box.
Speaker 2: How about you? What did you think about that whole situation.
Speaker 3: Well, it's like they didn't explore any of that they
Speaker 3: like that you're talking about, Like they didn't. There's no
Speaker 3: there's no like message in there really about like the
Speaker 3: ethics of cloning and about like the value of these
Speaker 3: lives or anything.
Speaker 2: There was nothing. It was very vapid.
Speaker 3: It seemed to be emotional for uh Ripley number eight,
Speaker 3: but she didn't really process out loud anything. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know. It was just a weird little side
Speaker 3: step in the movie.
Speaker 2: It was a literal side step, a literal like vignette
Speaker 2: into this other movie that could have happened, and then
Speaker 2: we're sucked back into the darkness of the alien movie
Speaker 2: and being stalked by these weird Well they're not really
Speaker 2: stalked by them in this episode or this movie. They're
Speaker 2: not because there's like thirteen of them and they're not
Speaker 2: all rushing to get them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean not the extent that they have been
Speaker 3: in other movies. Right, do they chase them a little bit,
Speaker 3: there's that underwater chain, but that seemed like it was
Speaker 3: more of the trap to get them to go up
Speaker 3: where the eggs are. Yeah, what's this guy's name, General
Speaker 3: Martin Perez?
Speaker 2: Perez. He didn't look like a Perez to me. I've
Speaker 2: met a lot of Perez in my.
Speaker 3: Life, and were they as harry as him?
Speaker 2: I cannot say that. I don't know. I don't I
Speaker 2: cannot speak to that part because I'm not looking for
Speaker 2: people's body hair. That's not my business.
Speaker 3: I mean, you literally were at the beginning.
Speaker 2: Of the movie, he was wearing a you know what.
Speaker 2: It reminded me of Colonel Tye, another military guy wearing
Speaker 2: a wife, a wife, a tank top and his harry
Speaker 2: shoulders are out.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He brought like a lot of the camp to this.
Speaker 2: He did bring a lot of camp.
Speaker 3: His death was kind of funny, and I don't know
Speaker 3: him yelling orders and I'm just seeing his character from Cheers.
Speaker 2: That's pretty funny because he's like a dead beat in
Speaker 2: that show. Yeah, So to see him in a military position.
Speaker 2: The actor has done a lot, so I can see
Speaker 2: him in this role. But I feel like they didn't
Speaker 2: use him to his full range of or capacity, which
Speaker 2: was it was all right. I don't care about him
Speaker 2: too much, like I could take him or leiaeve him.
Speaker 3: Then there's that one scientist who was making out the
Speaker 3: glass that was weird.
Speaker 2: And that guy, I feel like he's been another stuff
Speaker 2: too where he's like the same creep. I couldn't tell
Speaker 2: you what it was, but I feel like I've seen
Speaker 2: him and other stuff where he's like a creepy creep.
Speaker 2: Let me see if I can find it.
Speaker 3: He's the voice of Chucky.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he played and he played the Chucky guy.
Speaker 3: Oh, he is the worm tongue in the Lord of
Speaker 3: the Ring series.
Speaker 2: That's where I've seen his ass. Yeah, he plays Chucky before,
Speaker 2: like the man before he like possesses the doll Man.
Speaker 2: He did a lot of fucking chuckies. He won't say no.
Speaker 3: Keep those Chucky checks coming. The creature effects and the
Speaker 3: visual effects in this I think improved from the last movie.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they were really good. I really enjoyed the
Speaker 2: creature in this one. I wish we would have gotten
Speaker 2: a better look at the mom or the mother when
Speaker 2: she was in the cage, because it was, like, I mean,
Speaker 2: the lighting in that cage sucked. I wish it was
Speaker 2: better because she had like so mostly their heads are
Speaker 2: shaped like penises, but she had kind of like a
Speaker 2: triceratops kind of head thing going on for her, And
Speaker 2: I really wish I would have seen more of like
Speaker 2: what that looked like in terms of like a long
Speaker 2: shot instead of all those close ups they were giving.
Speaker 2: But the aliens were good. They didn't feel like as motivated. No,
Speaker 2: it just felt like they were just like these scary
Speaker 2: things that were sometimes there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seemed like you could have hit out and
Speaker 3: avoided them in the ship, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was some signs of intelligence when they like
Speaker 2: sacrificed one of their own to like escape, and I
Speaker 2: wish they would have continued some of that intelligence. I
Speaker 2: guess you did see it in the trap, but it
Speaker 2: just didn't feel as calculated to me as it could have. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, it just they they didn't like this
Speaker 2: movie is called Alien, and I feel like we didn't
Speaker 2: get enough Alien. It was mostly like the Sigourney and
Speaker 2: Winona show. Yeah, with like a very strong hellboy cameo.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then I don't like that they keep like
Speaker 3: evolving the aliens in their like their design in their well.
Speaker 2: You didn't like the cow one from last.
Speaker 3: Time, No, I didn't like that change. And then this
Speaker 3: one goes from being an egg laying species to I.
Speaker 2: Think that was the French guy man. I think that
Speaker 2: was all the French guys. And the way that the
Speaker 2: birth was portrayed to me was so unsatisfying, because human
Speaker 2: birth is some of the most like horrifying shit you
Speaker 2: will ever witness in real life. And part of it
Speaker 2: is that there is a watermelon sized thing coming out
Speaker 2: of a lemon sized thing, and there's this tension between
Speaker 2: the child and the vaginal canal stretching, and you don't
Speaker 2: get that when homegirls already all loose. Yeah, she's all
Speaker 2: loose as a goose. She's not you know, when you
Speaker 2: see a pregnant woman, you say she's about to pop.
Speaker 2: There is no strain in the alien body to show
Speaker 2: that she is pregnant. This is clearly done by a
Speaker 2: man who has no idea what pregnancy is.
Speaker 3: All the sign and the worm tongue in there saying
Speaker 3: that like, oh, childbirth is like a gift that you
Speaker 3: gave to the alien, and it's like, that's not a gift.
Speaker 2: No, it's not that I fucking late. I wish I
Speaker 2: could lay an egg? Yeah, why didn't? What if we
Speaker 2: got the egg laying and we just you know, put
Speaker 2: the little egg in an incubator and then we later
Speaker 2: check on it, and then we just crack it open.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be nice? I feel like women would rather
Speaker 2: like hatch an egg that's the size of a chicken
Speaker 2: egg that grows progressively, or even if it's like the
Speaker 2: size of your child, as long as you just like
Speaker 2: let it chill.
Speaker 3: Ugh. Yeah, you know, because like Biblically, childbirth is referred
Speaker 3: to as a punishment. Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2: I mean what they call it the women's battle or
Speaker 2: the woman's war because so many women have lost their
Speaker 2: lives doing this thing. And the alien did give pain.
Speaker 2: She was like screaming and hollering and shaken all about,
Speaker 2: and then she gives birth to this like chucky looking thing.
Speaker 2: This like they were they trying to make it look cute.
Speaker 2: I don't know what we're giving kind of like like
Speaker 2: puppy dog.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like sympathetic eyes in there, and yeah, just
Speaker 3: I'm very creepy.
Speaker 2: And imagine it with genitals.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe uh ripley number eight is able to
Speaker 3: lay eggs now.
Speaker 2: Oh maybe that'd be nice. That'd be real nice.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you made that fifth movie that would have
Speaker 3: been in there.
Speaker 2: She's just laying eggs in the corner. But yeah, that
Speaker 2: final creature just was not giving alien. It was giving
Speaker 2: like dog, like pet sea monkey. I didn't like it.
Speaker 2: And then the fact that it murdered its mother, no
Speaker 2: sympathy for it. However, if if that alien baby was
Speaker 2: born and then Ripley or somebody else murdered the mother
Speaker 2: and then caused him distress, I would have felt bad
Speaker 2: for that thing.
Speaker 3: And of course, the way you kill an alien is
Speaker 3: by venting it into space. Yeah, this time, little pieces
Speaker 3: at a time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is it? The vacuum of space was literally
Speaker 2: vacuuming it out.
Speaker 3: What else underwater? I mean I kind of enjoyed that.
Speaker 2: I thought it was visually stunning, but.
Speaker 3: I think you've had three movies of kind of like
Speaker 3: Chase movies. Going underwater was a good twist on that.
Speaker 2: I was just upset. I didn't like it. I just don't.
Speaker 2: For me, it didn't make any fucking sense in terms
Speaker 2: of being in the vacuum of space. Like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I was just I didn't like it. It made me upset,
Speaker 2: But you know, it gave the site illusion of weightlessness
Speaker 2: that you don't get and it's kind of necessary sometimes
Speaker 2: when we're talking about space and otherworldly, like it was
Speaker 2: like another world. But another part that I really was
Speaker 2: upset about was that they were wearing their shoes and
Speaker 2: their pants and all their clothes while they were swimming,
Speaker 2: and that just seems impossible. I feel like so bad
Speaker 2: for one on a writer, because like if they would
Speaker 2: have let her jump in there with like a swimsuit
Speaker 2: and like actually swim, that would have probably felt nicer
Speaker 2: for her, And I would have really liked it if
Speaker 2: they were wearing swimsuits or at least took off their shoes.
Speaker 3: Any other thoughts on the film.
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting that they got rid of
Speaker 2: the company.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're kind of like been two hundred years, that
Speaker 3: company doesn't matter anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I thought that was interesting because I
Speaker 2: thought that was kind of like the perfect bad guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's been the through line with all the movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I thought it was really strange to veer
Speaker 2: away from that. Yeah, So that that was weird because.
Speaker 3: They could have easily made this still the company trying
Speaker 3: to become.
Speaker 2: With KIV, like stealing bodies and shit, like their own
Speaker 2: bodies like saying like, oh, yeah, you're going to go
Speaker 2: to this mining place, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you're not in the mining place. You're in the fucking
Speaker 2: room where there's a fucking face, sucker in your face.
Speaker 2: I also thought it was weird that they introduced that
Speaker 2: guy randomly and he ended up being like, they're saving
Speaker 2: Grace the miner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was weird.
Speaker 2: They're like, random, dude, he's part of our crew. Now
Speaker 2: we're gonna save his life. I don't know. The movie
Speaker 2: felt way longer than it should have to me.
Speaker 3: I think it might be the shortest ones of our.
Speaker 2: They all feel so long. Why are movies so long?
Speaker 2: Why can't they wrap it up after an hour and
Speaker 2: a half.
Speaker 3: I mean, those are my ideal movies. What ninety minutes?
Speaker 2: Ninety minutes? Is that an hour and a half? Yeah, yeah, sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm bout at that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know. It's a fun movie. It's weird.
Speaker 3: I don't really consider it to be Cannon, even if
Speaker 3: technically it is. Like I'm good with the first couple
Speaker 3: movies and Romulus.
Speaker 1: Astral Queen, who was the standout character in the movie.
Speaker 2: You ready for your astral Queen?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 2: Who's your favorite character.
Speaker 3: I mean, I said I was ready.
Speaker 2: I'm going to pick Wanona.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about picking her too.
Speaker 2: Just a softy for Wanona.
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like she brought a lot of
Speaker 3: fresh energy to the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and her and Sigourney played really well off of
Speaker 2: each other, especially in that chapel scene. I really like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'll go with her too. Her name
Speaker 3: was Annelie Kahl, and I think I mean a lot
Speaker 3: of the movie, I felt like she was more of
Speaker 3: the lead than Sigourney.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I liked that they were both alive together at the end. Yeah,
Speaker 3: kind of go start a new adventure on Earth as
Speaker 3: two not quite humans. Well, for a long time that
Speaker 3: was the Alien Quadrilogy for movies, and then eventually Prometheus.
Speaker 3: King Scott came back to the franchise and said, I'm
Speaker 3: going to make some prequels and they're going to be
Speaker 3: more cerebral, thought provoking about the origins of mankind. So
Speaker 3: Prometheus came out in twenty twelve, and that's the next
Speaker 3: movie we're going to watch.
Speaker 2: When was this one released?
Speaker 3: Ninety seven?
Speaker 2: Whoa they waited almost a decade.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, they were doing the alien versus Predator for
Speaker 3: a couple of years and then I don't those didn't
Speaker 3: do that great, I don't think.
Speaker 2: But their video game was good, right.
Speaker 3: I mean they were comics.
Speaker 2: At the end of this movie, they were like, play
Speaker 2: the video game. Seriously, it was in the credits.
Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't see that. Well, that wraps it up.
Speaker 3: We'll go to the spoiler section in case we have
Speaker 3: anything to say there.
Speaker 2: Let's put our living stereo stylus in this group.
Speaker 1: Brace for impact spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
Speaker 1: whole film series, now is the time to say goodbye.
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Speaker 2: One any spoilers.
Speaker 3: The only thing I was thinking was like, did we
Speaker 3: watched Alien Romulus?
Speaker 2: So the idea of the human hybrid is coming into
Speaker 2: light in Romulus in a way that you have to
Speaker 2: witness and I don't want to. I know this is
Speaker 2: the spoiler section, but if you want to hear about it,
Speaker 2: I would just recommend you listen to the episode where
Speaker 2: we talk about it in depth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so our episode on Alien Romulus is already out,
Speaker 3: so you can check that out. But it's interesting to
Speaker 3: see that they read there's a human alien hybrid thing
Speaker 3: going on, all right in this movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's really interesting that they revisit it,
Speaker 2: but they definitely took a different direction in a way
Speaker 2: that I really prefer over this cloning shit.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, that's all we got.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen any of the other ones. It's been
Speaker 2: so long since I've seen Prometheus, so and it's a prequel,
Speaker 2: so I feel like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I have vague memories of Prometheus and Alien Covenant.
Speaker 3: They're kind of blended together, and I don't know, I
Speaker 3: remember vibes more than actually what happens in them. So
Speaker 3: we will be checking those out in the next couple
Speaker 3: of weeks. Fill then, safe out there, Space Pirates.
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