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<v Speaker 1>Welcome friends podcasts, Jacky, Why, welcome to Movie Film It's

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<v Speaker 1>episode three forty nine. I'm Zaki said, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Here with Brian hall Day. How's it going, Zachi? We are?

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<v Speaker 1>We are just one regular show away from three point fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe it. I can't believe it. Amazing, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we were just talking about our episodes, and

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<v Speaker 2>did you say it was ten years ago? We had

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<v Speaker 2>recorded our hundredth episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Ten years ago last month? Wow? Yeah? Crazy?

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<v Speaker 2>And then when you add our commentaries in, we're over

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, five hundred and twenty something. Wow. And and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't mind saying I think that of

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<v Speaker 1>those five hundred twenty some five or six pretty good ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I feel like we're really the bat

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<v Speaker 1>hit the ball. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we can almost put together a Greatest Hits collection.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say another ten years we might have half

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<v Speaker 1>of a Greatest Hits album. That's right, That's the reason

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<v Speaker 1>we keep going. Yeah, but how are you doing? What's

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<v Speaker 1>new in movie film land for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Will? I haven't really watched a lot, to be honest, well,

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<v Speaker 2>at least movie wise, but I did want to note

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<v Speaker 2>that I still have notes coming in about the movie

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<v Speaker 2>The Drama. Ah, yes, which is it's been kind of fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I talked about The Drama I think back

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<v Speaker 2>in April because I really enjoyed it. I not just

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed the movie, but then I noticed that I was

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<v Speaker 2>having more conversations about that movie than I usually do

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<v Speaker 2>any other movie. Like people were texting me, people were

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<v Speaker 2>reaching out through the show, people were sending me voice messages,

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<v Speaker 2>people who had not done that before. And I was like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>there's really something to this, Like people are really having

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<v Speaker 2>It's giving people a lot to chew on and they

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<v Speaker 2>just want to talk about it. And so anyway, that

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<v Speaker 2>had happened and time had passed, and then recently, actually

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<v Speaker 2>Jeremy Lloyd reached out about it recently, which was like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh great, yeah, and I was like, I I want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear all your thoughts, let me know. And then

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<v Speaker 2>after that I had two more notes come in just yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>actually two friends of mine who I actually don't think

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<v Speaker 2>they listened to the show either, like they just happened

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<v Speaker 2>to watch it and they're like, oh man, I got

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about this. I was like, wow, it's amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>so I just wanted to shine a light on it again.

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<v Speaker 2>It's currently streaming on HBO Max. If people are looking

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<v Speaker 2>for an interesting, character driven story that obviously provokes conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>a reminder also, it has some uncomfortable subject matter at times,

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<v Speaker 2>so if people are sensitive to those sorts of things,

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<v Speaker 2>you might want to do a quick little Wikipedia check

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<v Speaker 2>to see what it's about. But otherwise it's got a

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting premise. I think it's executed really well and

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<v Speaker 2>it gives you a lot to chew on. And I've

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<v Speaker 2>loved this resurgence in messages about it and talking about

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<v Speaker 2>it again.

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<v Speaker 1>So what this really shows, Brian, is the continued value

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<v Speaker 1>of the theatrical model, and I think this past year

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<v Speaker 1>has really proven its vitality right because when a movie

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<v Speaker 1>drops on streaming it might be vaguely zeitgeisty maybe, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a coin toss at this point. But

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<v Speaker 1>what you have with the with the theatrical release as

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<v Speaker 1>the center spoke for all of this is it allows

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<v Speaker 1>multiple cycles of discourse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, at your absolutely right, there was that first cycle

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<v Speaker 2>and now there's people discovering it on HBO Max. And

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder also if people if this was something that

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<v Speaker 2>came out on I'm just gonna say generically a streaming

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<v Speaker 2>service at some point, maybe they'd catch it if they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know what else to click on. Maybe they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>and it would disappear from their minds forever. But there

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<v Speaker 2>probably is an extra little sheen to this. Well, it

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<v Speaker 2>is an A twenty four movie, which I know also

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<v Speaker 2>gives a little sparkle for some people. But yeah, this

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<v Speaker 2>is something they missed in theaters and oh hey, now

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<v Speaker 2>it's available on HBO Max. Let's check that out. I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if that yeah, you know, a little a little

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<v Speaker 2>more oomph.

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<v Speaker 1>And and it adds to the pretty good year that

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<v Speaker 1>both Zendaya and Robert Pattinson have been having.

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<v Speaker 2>They really have and there's no slowing down, right, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean they both have. We'll talk about it in a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>But Pattinson's got a movie that I'm very excited about

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<v Speaker 2>coming up, well, and Dune and then Syndia with Dune,

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<v Speaker 2>Like what a year. I mean, this has got to be.

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<v Speaker 2>I would be curious to see this against other movie

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<v Speaker 2>stars from the past, like having this many major movies

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<v Speaker 2>in one year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty pretty pretty good roster of of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the blockbusters and and more indie stuff. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And and it's not like it's just Pattinson has four

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<v Speaker 2>major movies this year is and Daya has like they're

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<v Speaker 2>sharing these movies. Yeah, I know, right, And I mean

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<v Speaker 2>just in July alone. It's August now, but you had

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<v Speaker 2>a Spider Man Brand New Day, you know, with Tom

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<v Speaker 2>Holland and z India, and then you've got and John Burenthal.

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<v Speaker 2>Then same month Odyssey John Berenthal's India, Tom Holland, and

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<v Speaker 2>you got Sindaya and Pattinson together and Drama and Dune

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<v Speaker 2>and it's all this crazy I don't know, cross pollination

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<v Speaker 2>or something like. It's it's pretty interesting and unique, am I.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't feel like that happens a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>It does different.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, this much?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, but what else?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is the last time I'll mention this. I've

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<v Speaker 2>brought this up too much, but I finally finished watching Nirvana,

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<v Speaker 2>the band, the show, and I just have to mention

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<v Speaker 2>it one more time because I think I sent it

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<v Speaker 2>to you. But their thing is, you know, they always

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<v Speaker 2>it's like a Looney Tunes cartoon where they always are

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<v Speaker 2>trying to come up with a scheme to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>how they can play at this small music venue. And

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<v Speaker 2>one of the episodes opened with a really amazing riff

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<v Speaker 2>on the opening of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Like, right,

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<v Speaker 2>did I send this to you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, like right down to the music and anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>it was so spot on and so particular. I was

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<v Speaker 2>just dying. I was like, how does this exist like this?

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<v Speaker 2>How does something that just delights me so specifically like

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<v Speaker 2>this exist? So I just I have to recommend it

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<v Speaker 2>one more time. It's on Hulu. I will say this

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<v Speaker 2>for the movie, I highly recommend you can go right

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<v Speaker 2>into the movie. You don't need to watch the show,

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<v Speaker 2>and I am almost certain most people who listen to.

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<v Speaker 1>This will love it.

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<v Speaker 2>The show is really really funny. I would say some

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<v Speaker 2>of the episodes are a little more inspired than others,

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<v Speaker 2>But if you enjoy the guys and you enjoy the conceit,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you'll at least get a laugh or two

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<v Speaker 2>out of each of them and just be delighted by

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<v Speaker 2>their goofiness. So anyway, I had to mention it one

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<v Speaker 2>more time. Nirvana the band, the show, and definitely recommend

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<v Speaker 2>Nirvana the band, the show, the movie streaming on Hulu

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<v Speaker 2>right now. And lastly, speaking of streaming, I mentioned in

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<v Speaker 2>the last episode that I started watching Cheers because you

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<v Speaker 2>had highly recommended it, and our friend Sean like literally

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<v Speaker 2>came to my place and sat me on a couch

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<v Speaker 2>and hit play to make sure that I would start it,

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<v Speaker 2>and we watched five episodes together. I've since watched three

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<v Speaker 2>or four more, and I have to mention a that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still enjoying it. But b I had so many

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<v Speaker 2>people reach out to me after I started it, and

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned, okay, Brian in season seven or something, there's

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<v Speaker 2>this wedding episode, and I was like, oh, wow, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And then season ten, season ten, so then Sean comes

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<v Speaker 2>over and he's like, I got to tell you there's

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<v Speaker 2>this wedding episode and I was like, wow, Oh that's

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<v Speaker 2>so Zach. He told me the same thing. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I had a friend message me who had listened to

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<v Speaker 2>the show, and she was like, Okay, when you get

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<v Speaker 2>to the wedding episode, we're gonna have a get together,

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<v Speaker 2>like we're going to gather people. Well I was like wow,

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<v Speaker 2>like okay, and I didn't even know that she had

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<v Speaker 2>heard me talk about this, and and I've had other

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<v Speaker 2>people message about me starting Cheers. So it's just I

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<v Speaker 2>love knowing that I have. I feel like I've joined Cheers.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I've walked down those stairs entered a warm,

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<v Speaker 2>cozy place, and all these people I know and love

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<v Speaker 2>are bringing me into something you know, special and saying

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<v Speaker 2>instead of saying hey, Norm, Hey Brian so, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Every everybody knows your.

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<v Speaker 2>Name exactly and and so I'm not just enjoying the show,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm kind of enjoying entering this world that everybody

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<v Speaker 2>seems to really already like.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, one thing I've found very gratifying is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>less one think, oh, this is something in artifact that's

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<v Speaker 1>exclusive to our particular age range or thereabouts. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've I've mentioned the show offhand to students, and they've

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<v Speaker 1>literally come to me after, you know, several weeks later,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at the end of the semester be like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I started watching it because you recommended it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm almost done with the whole series. Wow, So

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<v Speaker 1>it it certainly does hold up. You know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that obviously there are there are some sitcoms that are

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<v Speaker 1>that are historically important or that are important in the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think there are certain ones that that just

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<v Speaker 1>last and last. I think Cheers is definitely that makes

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think Seinfeld and Friends are in there too,

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<v Speaker 1>but Cheers is is is integral that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you just feel lightning in a bottle like the cast.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean those shows that you mentioned, of course, but

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<v Speaker 2>you just you know, everybody is cast Nope. Perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember someone saying this to me when I

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<v Speaker 2>was working on Bob's Burgers. They said, you know, you're

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<v Speaker 2>watching an amazing show where you don't lose interest when

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<v Speaker 2>they focus on any of the particular characters, right, Like

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<v Speaker 2>You're just like with Bob's if it's a teen episode, great,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's a Louise episode, great, if it's a Bob

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<v Speaker 2>episode great. And I think I've noticed that with other

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<v Speaker 2>shows as well, right, And like with Cheers, like I

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<v Speaker 2>anytime they stop to focus on Norm, like recently it

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<v Speaker 2>was an episode where he was having his coworkers come

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<v Speaker 2>to the bar for a toga party, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like I was like, oh Norm, great, time with Norm,

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<v Speaker 2>or time with the Diane or time you know, it's yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's no surprise that those things live on

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<v Speaker 2>the way they do.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I want you to keep me posted as you

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<v Speaker 1>as you continue through that series.

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<v Speaker 2>I will, I will definitely. And what about yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, it's been it's been a slower week, which

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of nice. You know, so summer summer semester

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<v Speaker 1>is winding down for me. So I'm just kind of now,

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<v Speaker 1>probably in the next week or so, I'll do a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more catching up. But I got in two

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<v Speaker 1>more viewings of Spider Man Brand New Day since the

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<v Speaker 1>last time I talked to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I just just two nights ago I watched it. And

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<v Speaker 1>but I will say I went on a Wednesday night

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean it ends and my son turns to him,

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<v Speaker 2>that way. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Again.

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<v Speaker 1>It is crazy to look at Matt Damon at this

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<v Speaker 1>and they were really they were like, this is like

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<v Speaker 1>And then of course didn't end up making it into

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<v Speaker 1>that summer when the movie came out. They were working

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 1>They're having to like they're watching people leave the theater

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<v Speaker 1>just with tears in their eyes. Why because they just

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<v Speaker 1>watched Dead Poets Society. Yeah, and anything like that movie

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<v Speaker 1>was eighty eight when it came out okay, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, if you could have told them then

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<v Speaker 1>writing a movie starring the star of Dead Post Society. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even make that connection. Yeah, amazing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that is amazing. I love stories like that where you

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<v Speaker 2>know the ending, yeah, you know, and then you hear

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<v Speaker 2>don't give up, and yeah, that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you say, you have somebody like Matt Damon

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<v Speaker 1>for almost thirty years at this point, and this many

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, The Odyssey has now passed a billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it either has or it shortly will pass

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<v Speaker 1>The Dark Knight Rises to be Christopher Nolan's best hit ever.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's you know, these are the stories we love,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. But while we're talking about the Odyssey, I

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<v Speaker 1>did want to mention I also checked out a movie

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<v Speaker 1>people had recommended to me called The Return. Have you

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<v Speaker 1>have you heard of this one? Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>So this is this is like I said, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>from twenty twenty four, and it is about the last

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<v Speaker 1>hour of what we see in the Odyssey the Return. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>got it? So this is this is that last hour

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I mean where does it begin, like him getting

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<v Speaker 2>back to the shores.

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<v Speaker 1>Really it starts with Odysseus washing up on the shores

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<v Speaker 1>of it the.

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<v Speaker 2>Cup Okay, okay, I'm looking at it now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So it's directed by Uberto Pasolini and it stars

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<v Speaker 1>Ray Fines as Odysseus and Juliette Binoche as Penelope.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Really those those are probably the biggest names that are

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<v Speaker 2>You know, what'd you think?

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<v Speaker 1>So what's interesting it is? I had two feelings. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's it's very methodical, and so it's it feels

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<v Speaker 1>very certainly the first chunk feels very like kind of like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get to it. Let's when are we going to

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<v Speaker 1>get to the fireworks factory?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, but part of that is because having

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<v Speaker 1>it's very fresh, right, and so you're kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>waiting to get to that, and and having seen the

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<v Speaker 1>the quote unquote short version, right, it's it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, okay, let's get to it. But the the

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<v Speaker 1>the way it's staged, I mean, it's amazing performances. I mean, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Damon is great Odysseus. You're not going to go

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with rape fines as Odysseus, right, sure, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>the way the final sequence plays out is a fun

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<v Speaker 1>adjunct to the one in the Odyssey. Like it's I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not even going to get into better or worse. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just a cool seeing the same thing interpreted in a

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<v Speaker 1>different way. So it I would recommend it. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it is absolutely worth watching, especially if you've just seen

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<v Speaker 1>the Odyssey, but know that it's paced very differently than

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<v Speaker 1>the Odyssey. And there's plenty of folks who are like

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<v Speaker 1>about the Odyssey, like, come on, get to it, right, sure, sure, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but at least the Odyssey sprinkles in some people turning

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<v Speaker 1>into pigs and the cyclops and whatnot. Right, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me. What I was wondering was does it feel

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<v Speaker 2>like a third act? I mean, do you do they

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<v Speaker 2>give flashbacks. Do they have context? Do they?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you root for what you want him to do?

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<v Speaker 1>By the end, they give you enough to understand it, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it it sort of. It assumes a level

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<v Speaker 1>this movie costs like three million dollars, right, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>like sure, so a lot of it rests on the performances,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and you know what, if you're gonna point

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<v Speaker 1>a camera at rape Fines and hear him describe the

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<v Speaker 1>storming of Troy, I'd pay money to see that, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? Totally totally so I I I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't heard of this at all. I had no idea

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<v Speaker 1>I did. It's not the Odyssey, but it is an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting take on the closing events of the Odyssey?

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<v Speaker 2>Cool? Did your kids watch? I just watched it on

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<v Speaker 2>my own. I was curious, like if they had seen

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<v Speaker 2>the Nolan one and then this, and if they had

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I took the Michael Jordan approach where I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>f them kids, right, right, right, look it up, kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Or don't you don't care?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Them kids, the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that's that's what I've seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool. Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>But hey, we got some listener letters. Brian, hey be,

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<v Speaker 1>you have been for me eighteen thousand less. I'm addressed.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got mail.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's a note we got from Luke's maail. This

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<v Speaker 1>was on our YouTube page. This was in response to

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<v Speaker 1>our Supergirl nineteen eighty four commentary track.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember that one, Brian, I do. Actually, I was thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about it last night. Well longingly, no, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>I might have mentioned on the show. I was talking

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<v Speaker 2>to people recently about the Legend of Billy Jean.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're saying how much they like that movie, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I know that now because yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>was doing a deep dive on Helen Slater and look

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<v Speaker 2>at that.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So Luke says, thanks for surviving this one. I

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in the eighties like you guys, and when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to this movie, I need to misquote Luke

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<v Speaker 1>Skywalker in Return of the Jedi. I have no memory

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<v Speaker 1>of Supergirl nineteen eighty four. I never knew her.

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<v Speaker 2>That's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>With the new movie out, I decided to finally check

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<v Speaker 1>it out, and honestly, I never thought i'd say these words.

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<v Speaker 1>Nuclear Man was missed. Nuclear Man, Yeah, nuclear Man in

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<v Speaker 1>those giant nails, remember those, Brian, Oh, it was always Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>They made me uncomfortable, just the long nails.

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<v Speaker 1>It's unnerving, it's disturbing. Well, he scratches his skin. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, it's not nice. He goes on it. Honestly

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<v Speaker 1>goes to show you how much Richard Donno was responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for that first film and a lot of the good

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in the sequel. I did see Santa Claus the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>and whilst it wasn't great, it was two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>one of Space Odyssey compared to this movie. But was

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<v Speaker 1>it the magnificent Anderson right right? John Lithgow chewing the

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<v Speaker 1>scenery in that film elevated it. On one of the

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<v Speaker 1>Superman documentaries, Ilia Salkind went out of his way of

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<v Speaker 1>saying Superman three and Supergirl at least weren't disasters like

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<v Speaker 1>the Quest for Peace. My response to that is, well,

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<v Speaker 1>at least Quest for Peace wasn't entertaining disaster.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's interesting. I don't I don't know. To me, I

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<v Speaker 1>lump all three of those together to some extent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I mean I didn't know any better. A

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<v Speaker 2>Quest for Peace was on TV a lot when I

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, yeah, I get it. Uh. Luke then asked Zaki,

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<v Speaker 1>did you ever see the sal Kinds TV show Superboy

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen nineties. My main memory of that is

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<v Speaker 1>Gilbert Godfried doing a lot of screaming as a villain

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<v Speaker 1>in that show. He was a villain. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>character was Nick Knack.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh funny, that could be misremembered. It feels like a word.

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<v Speaker 2>I can hear him saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Knack, Hey, super Boy. I I and and by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, Bigilbert Godfried was also the voice of Mister

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<v Speaker 1>Mix's piddlic in the nineteen nineties Superman animated series No Wow,

423
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<v Speaker 1>as Tim Daily. So, yes, I do remember the super

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<v Speaker 1>Boy television show. I know, Brian, you've heard me talk

425
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<v Speaker 1>about that. Uh it was, yeah, you know. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a show for four seasons. It lasted. I think it's

427
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<v Speaker 1>a it's an interesting curiosity. Sure, some some episodes are fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's weird how it's like a half hour adventure show.

429
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<v Speaker 2>Mmmm, oh, half hour right, Like that's odd. Yeah, it's

430
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<v Speaker 2>very brief.

431
00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:38.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it went into syndication. It was it benefited

432
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<v Speaker 1>from that that that Next Generation boom because you had

433
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<v Speaker 1>you had Star trek that started in eighty seven, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the next few years after that, suddenly a whole

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of shows in first run syndication.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, eighty seven. I think that as a nineties thing,

437
00:23:54.039 --> 00:23:55.720
<v Speaker 2>and I know it was in the nineties, but I

438
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<v Speaker 2>remember when it started and my dad watching it.

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<v Speaker 1>Eighty next Gen Holy cow. Yeah yeah, coming up on

440
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<v Speaker 1>forty years.

441
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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

442
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, super in fact Superboy, Like that's my memory of

443
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<v Speaker 1>that show is it was on WPWR Saturday afternoons, just

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<v Speaker 1>before Next Generation. You remember War of the World's the

445
00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:19.920
<v Speaker 1>series not really, Yeah, that was another that was like Paramount.

446
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<v Speaker 1>They paired it with Star trek Man.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean what was it based on the book?

448
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<v Speaker 2>Like it was, and then it just became a weekly

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<v Speaker 2>sort of Peril of the Week.

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<v Speaker 1>It was based up. It was like a sequel to

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<v Speaker 1>the film, the George Powell movie.

452
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<v Speaker 2>It's like the Aliens they didn't see this coming, but

453
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<v Speaker 2>they got a cold except they didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, it was something I forgive me. I

455
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<v Speaker 1>don't remember because I haven't revisited since the nineties, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was the opening credits would alluded to the film,

457
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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen fifties film, and it was like, instead of

458
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<v Speaker 1>overt invasion, now the aliens are doing it surreptitiously.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh see, what I wanted is that one of the

460
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<v Speaker 2>aliens was in a drug store and as it was

461
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<v Speaker 2>falling over ill, it knocked over some pseudofed and it

462
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<v Speaker 2>was like a look glook, golok glook, and then it

463
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<v Speaker 2>got like super healthy and the adventure continues.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a better premise because this was more like a

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<v Speaker 1>body snatchers type thing. Okay, yeah, I think it lasted

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<v Speaker 1>two seasons. Anyway, Why why do I need to remember that?

467
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know it was anyway, I'm amazed you do.

468
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<v Speaker 1>The late eighties and early nineties was like this. This

469
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<v Speaker 1>just bumper crop of all kinds of syndicated shows. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>first syndication. There's another, this total tangent. It was called

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<v Speaker 1>Street Justice. You ever heard of this?

472
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<v Speaker 2>I do remember that title.

473
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<v Speaker 1>It starred Carl Weathers.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and look look it up.

475
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<v Speaker 1>Go to YouTube Street Justice intro. It is the most

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety one syndicated TV intro you could possibly imagine,

477
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<v Speaker 1>like it's kind of amazing, you know.

478
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<v Speaker 2>Street Justice.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and the title is just generic and nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't tell you anything, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically a gavel, a clisp of a gavel like slams

482
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<v Speaker 2>down and then it looks like it's stamped on the

483
00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:26.440
<v Speaker 2>screen Street Justice, and then the screen shatters yep. Yeah,

484
00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:29.640
<v Speaker 2>and then everybody's doing that eighties turned to the camera

485
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<v Speaker 2>and smile.

486
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<v Speaker 1>But that that's the season two intro that you're looking at.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, look at the see I know this.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, because the season one intro is like you see

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<v Speaker 1>Carl Weathers and his buddy they're like standing under a

490
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<v Speaker 1>street light and then like the light goes up. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just very like it's charming. I find it charming. Okay,

492
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<v Speaker 1>I'm not. I'm not dogging on it. Yeah, I don't

493
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<v Speaker 1>have hate in my heart, Brian, I'm not that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Any who. Thank you for that, Luke, Thank you for

495
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<v Speaker 1>allowing us to descend into the recesses of early nineties syndication.

496
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<v Speaker 1>Uh here's what we got from Melissa Nicholson. She emailed

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<v Speaker 1>us at movie from podcast at gmail dot com and

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<v Speaker 1>Ishizaking Briant. The live action from animated movie trend needs

499
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<v Speaker 1>to slam on the brakes already. I'm in agreement that

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<v Speaker 1>the Miana live action looks lifeless. I had seen the

501
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:27.559
<v Speaker 1>trailer recently when I'd gone to see the Minions and

502
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<v Speaker 1>Monsters film, and it just made me incredibly sad. The

503
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:33.079
<v Speaker 1>animated film is so colorful, fun and just has such

504
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<v Speaker 1>a peaceful and adventurous energy. The live action lacks all

505
00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:39.640
<v Speaker 1>of those things. It's become a dark, dreary film. It

506
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<v Speaker 1>just crushes that animated movie energy completely. That right there

507
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.920
<v Speaker 1>is what made me feel sad. If you wanted to

508
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<v Speaker 1>make a live action film, don't take from what's already

509
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<v Speaker 1>been done and has been hugely successful. The fact that

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<v Speaker 1>it's only been ten years from the last that's too soon.

511
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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure what demographic they're going for in that film.

512
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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't look like a kid's movie to me. You

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<v Speaker 1>two were also been about having the choice of showing

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<v Speaker 1>children of the original film or the remake. Honestly, if

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<v Speaker 1>I was a parent, I would be showing my child

516
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<v Speaker 1>the original because they're always the best versions, and there's

517
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<v Speaker 1>a certain charm and magic that comes from the older films.

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<v Speaker 1>That being said, as I step down from my soapbox,

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<v Speaker 1>I greatly enjoy the latest episode, great conversation as always,

520
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:21.000
<v Speaker 1>lovely tribute to Samuel at the end. He'll be very

521
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<v Speaker 1>much missed.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks, Melissa. Definitely agree with that.

523
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, the Mowana thing has been interesting because

524
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<v Speaker 1>I feel like Disney might be having sort of a

525
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<v Speaker 1>come to Jesus moment now.

526
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<v Speaker 2>I wonder I'd be very curious what their takeaway is

527
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<v Speaker 2>from this, the Mowana underperforming moan.

528
00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Look, the fact that Mowana underperformed and the Mandalorian and

529
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Grogu underperformed, I think both of them are indicative of

530
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:48.599
<v Speaker 1>the same trend, yeah, which is people don't want to

531
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<v Speaker 1>see the same old thing. And meanwhile, the fact I

532
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<v Speaker 1>said this right, the fact that Toy Story five is

533
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<v Speaker 1>about to if it hasn't already, it's at or above

534
00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:05.359
<v Speaker 1>a billion, that's very telling. You know, Uh, people don't

535
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:06.799
<v Speaker 1>want to see the same old thing. That doesn't mean

536
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:08.559
<v Speaker 1>they don't want to see the same old characters. They

537
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:12.559
<v Speaker 1>want to see something new and and and Mowanna was

538
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:15.839
<v Speaker 1>literally the same old thing. Mandalorian was not new enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, you know, we'll put We'll put yep uh I

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<v Speaker 2>I I think.

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<v Speaker 1>That it doesn't seem like there's any more like live

542
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:32.079
<v Speaker 1>action remax on on the horizon, right. Uh.

543
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<v Speaker 2>Tangled?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that that that is happening? Yes, but I I

545
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:39.240
<v Speaker 1>am threatening that I don't know. I no, no, I've

546
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:40.880
<v Speaker 1>seen set pictures of it.

547
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but it's funny because I have seen I don't

548
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<v Speaker 2>I don't have any dog in that fight. But what

549
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<v Speaker 2>I've seen is people sort of like, oh, okay, well

550
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<v Speaker 2>we like Tangled. It's been a minute, this could be yeah,

551
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<v Speaker 2>you know, they're not having the same reaction. I think

552
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<v Speaker 2>mwana Well let me back up. It seems like Lelo

553
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:02.440
<v Speaker 2>and Stid almost all of these there has always been

554
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<v Speaker 2>a criticism about these being like cynical, you know, cash grabs.

555
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<v Speaker 2>But Moana I think was the most Yeah. Yeah, because

556
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<v Speaker 2>the original is not even ten years old, or it

557
00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:23.960
<v Speaker 2>is exactly ten years old, and it didn't look visually

558
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<v Speaker 2>like any sort of improvement or you know, I think

559
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:33.200
<v Speaker 2>there's something to having a style. Like if you want

560
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<v Speaker 2>to make a movie that takes place in an exotic

561
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<v Speaker 2>location and you're going to make it hyper stylized, that's

562
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<v Speaker 2>a take. But this isn't what that looked like. This

563
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<v Speaker 2>just looked like, you know, being on a stage and

564
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<v Speaker 2>just surrounding your actors with stuff later that you weren't

565
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<v Speaker 2>feeling passionate about. You know. It's like, throw some trees,

566
00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:56.880
<v Speaker 2>throw some water. They don't look like they're lit to

567
00:30:56.960 --> 00:30:59.519
<v Speaker 2>be outside. But whatever, everyone's going to go anyway. You know,

568
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<v Speaker 2>there's just a lot of things working against this movie,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, in particular. Yeah, so I will be curious

570
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:09.079
<v Speaker 2>how Tangled does and if Disney's like, all right, yeah,

571
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:10.599
<v Speaker 2>maybe we we cool it a little bit on these,

572
00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:12.839
<v Speaker 2>and maybe we still do them, but we dole them

573
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<v Speaker 2>out a little bit more judiciously.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Yeah, I mean, wait till we have

575
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<v Speaker 1>a take. Yeah, I mean I was thinking about Mulan

576
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:24.799
<v Speaker 1>and how I mean that that sort of you know,

577
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:26.960
<v Speaker 1>that got caught up in all the pandemic stuff. So

578
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:30.039
<v Speaker 1>we can't really look at the metrics. But but artistically, right,

579
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:34.880
<v Speaker 1>that did try to do something slightly more grounded, right,

580
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:39.279
<v Speaker 1>they didn't have a wu shue, you know, for example, right, well,

581
00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:41.920
<v Speaker 1>they did have like the the you know, like the

582
00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:44.000
<v Speaker 1>lady transforming to the bird or something. Right, So I

583
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:47.400
<v Speaker 1>don't know a little it wasn't like realistic per se.

584
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:52.480
<v Speaker 1>But I wonder if Moana doing something closer to that,

585
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:57.720
<v Speaker 1>where you're shooting on location and it's and you know

586
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:00.599
<v Speaker 1>and and we have the same songs. Sure have, You're

587
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:02.920
<v Speaker 1>welcome and and we know the way and all that stuff,

588
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:07.960
<v Speaker 1>But like, do it real as opposed to to just

589
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:10.400
<v Speaker 1>a different kind of animation, maybe that would have played better.

590
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:10.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and a lot of people are bringing up that

592
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<v Speaker 2>that movie cost two hundred and fifty million dollars. Yeah,

593
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:19.640
<v Speaker 2>and The Odyssey costs two hundred and fifty million dollars. Fascinating,

594
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:21.799
<v Speaker 2>And people are like, so what what what happened?

595
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:24.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, it was Dwayne Johnson's muscle suit.

596
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Exactly as Nippoles was.

597
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>That was one hundred and forty seven million dollars.

598
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:31.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, there you go.

599
00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:36.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean we talked about this also, But like I

600
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<v Speaker 1>just saw the trailer for the new Jumanji that they've

601
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<v Speaker 1>come out.

602
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:42.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, Open World.

603
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.240
<v Speaker 1>I think it's called and And I mean it's been

604
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<v Speaker 1>seven years since the last one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just so funny, like my nineties brain. When you

606
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:53.920
<v Speaker 2>said it's been I was like, it's been one week

607
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<v Speaker 2>since you look at me prinky Ladies saw and I

608
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:02.119
<v Speaker 2>was like, Brian Bran, snap to attention, we're.

609
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<v Speaker 1>In now now. Yeah, But I mean, I'm just like

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<v Speaker 1>seven years Is there is there an audience for that?

611
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow? I didn't even realize, right, And and it.

612
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Feels like we're hitting the boundary of what beloved characters

613
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<v Speaker 1>Dwayne Johnson can reprise.

614
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<v Speaker 2>You know, I have a question for you. So I

615
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:25.799
<v Speaker 2>saw the first one. I thought it was perfectly fine.

616
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<v Speaker 2>I did not see the second one. I haven't seen

617
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<v Speaker 2>the trailer by first one, you mean the first ones? Yeah,

618
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:34.680
<v Speaker 2>the new one with the Rock and Kevin Hunt everybody. Yeah,

619
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<v Speaker 2>And part of me feels like I don't even need

620
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:39.720
<v Speaker 2>to watch the trailer for three because I can already

621
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<v Speaker 2>imagine it, you know, So do do do these look

622
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:46.519
<v Speaker 2>different enough?

623
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<v Speaker 1>Like?

624
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Does this look like a new thing? To your point

625
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:50.920
<v Speaker 2>about toy story, It's like, we like these characters and

626
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:53.559
<v Speaker 2>we're seeing them do something that looks different, so we

627
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:56.000
<v Speaker 2>want to see what that looks like or does this

628
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:58.799
<v Speaker 2>look like the third time they're doing the same thing?

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<v Speaker 1>So well, this cast, so I will say I I

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<v Speaker 1>liked I liked the second one quite a bit, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed it, and so I do like that, you know,

632
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<v Speaker 1>with each at at they sort of have to come

633
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<v Speaker 1>up with a new premise to justify getting all these

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<v Speaker 1>characters back, right, and so I think they've come up

635
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<v Speaker 1>with I mean, just from the trailer, I'm like, well,

636
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<v Speaker 1>I mean that seems interesting, you know, so I appreciate

637
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<v Speaker 1>that it doesn't feel like Washerin's repeat.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And by the way, I have nothing against it.

639
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<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen it so right, No, but but I

640
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<v Speaker 2>think you're you're you're.

641
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<v Speaker 1>I think you and I are kind of saying the

642
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<v Speaker 1>same thing where it's just like, I think it's been

643
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<v Speaker 1>too long for people to be like, oh, hey, it's

644
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<v Speaker 1>it's our friends again, you know.

645
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like I don't.

646
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that these films have really retained a

647
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<v Speaker 1>spot in the cultural consciousness.

648
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And as someone who has not followed them, I'm

649
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<v Speaker 2>just picturing everyone wearing khaki and being in the jungle, right,

650
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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know why I need to see that again, right,

651
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<v Speaker 2>So I'm open to it, but I just need to

652
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<v Speaker 2>be convinced, I guess.

653
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, i'd be curious what you think after if

654
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<v Speaker 1>you watch the trailer for the new one, yeah, yeah,

655
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<v Speaker 1>thank you for that, Melissa. Here's a note we got

656
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<v Speaker 1>from Philip Barker. He says, Hey, guys, just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>chime in and say I have enjoyed listening to your

658
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<v Speaker 1>commentary tracks this year. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I have not seen Independence Day, Resurgence, No Independence. Your

661
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.719
<v Speaker 1>commentary provided enough information I needed to know I'd made

662
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<v Speaker 1>the right decision in not seeing it a decade ago

663
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:43.840
<v Speaker 1>or even bothering to. Now, that's right, Brian, That's always

664
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<v Speaker 1>the trick, right with some of these commentaries. What's that

665
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<v Speaker 1>like if if it's a movie that people clearly most

666
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<v Speaker 1>likely have not seen, yes, what can we do you

667
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<v Speaker 1>and I to sort of to still make sure we

668
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<v Speaker 1>have a conversation that'll you know, like engage people who

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent. I mean with that one especially, we

671
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.159
<v Speaker 2>knew most people probably hadn't seen it, so we were like,

672
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<v Speaker 2>we hope this is a good hang.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Yeah, uh, he says, I do remember seeing

674
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<v Speaker 1>all the advertisements for the original film back in the

675
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<v Speaker 1>nineties on VHS tapes of other movies. Kind of wild

676
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:25.480
<v Speaker 1>to think they used to do that ads and trailers

677
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<v Speaker 1>of other movies on VHS before the movie starts. It's

678
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<v Speaker 1>almost like trying to create a theatrical experience at home

679
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<v Speaker 1>to an extent, but now it seems like a ritual

680
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<v Speaker 1>loss to time. Yeah, that's so true. Well, just I mean,

681
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<v Speaker 1>we have we use the music from those yeah bumpers. Yeah,

682
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<v Speaker 1>it's our way of keeping that traditional alive.

683
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he goes on.

684
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<v Speaker 1>On the most recent episode, Sean Coyle brought up a

685
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<v Speaker 1>question regarding the state of James Gunn's DCU, which I appreciated.

686
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<v Speaker 1>If you've been a dc fan, you know, the trials

687
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<v Speaker 1>and tribulations of getting these beloved characters right on the

688
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:02.159
<v Speaker 1>big screen is often a topic of discussion that can

689
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<v Speaker 1>feel like one of two things, an interesting dissection of

690
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:07.920
<v Speaker 1>our movie studio can have wild ups and downs regarding

691
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<v Speaker 1>what success looks like, or a straight up war zone

692
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<v Speaker 1>between different sub factions of fans divided by director loyalty.

693
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<v Speaker 1>Then I remember, not too long ago, I'd gone back

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<v Speaker 1>into the archives, all the way back to when your

695
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<v Speaker 1>show started, and I must say it is interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>hear younger Zaki and Brian and Sean talk about movies

697
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<v Speaker 1>in the past as opposed to now, in which some

698
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<v Speaker 1>views have changed, for example, Zaki and the Dark Knight Rises.

699
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<v Speaker 1>That is true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, our first, our very first.

701
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<v Speaker 1>Episode was about the Dark Knight Rises. Wow.

702
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<v Speaker 2>Wow, I remember that was the beginning, but I didn't

703
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<v Speaker 2>know that was the first.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, our very very first episode. Huh kind of crazy. Yeah,

705
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<v Speaker 1>those what was it fourteen?

706
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<v Speaker 2>It's fourteen years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah was that twelve?

708
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<v Speaker 2>When did that come out?

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<v Speaker 1>Twelve? That was twenty twelve. Yeah, wow, that was the

710
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<v Speaker 1>last movie I saw at midnight? Oh yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, Brian, real quick, I should say that

712
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:24.960
<v Speaker 1>episode dropped July twenty ninth, twenty twelve, and recording this

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<v Speaker 1>on July really thirtieth. So yeah, exactly fourteen years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, happy anniversary. Yeah, serious, amazing. I remember having my

715
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<v Speaker 2>moment where I was like, yeah, I think I'm done

716
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<v Speaker 2>with midnight movies.

717
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<v Speaker 1>That was that was me, And that was if you

718
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<v Speaker 1>remember the Dark Knight movie theater shooting happened. That was

719
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<v Speaker 1>all around that time.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Yes, that's right.

721
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<v Speaker 1>I got a push notification while I was well, you know,

722
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<v Speaker 1>while the movie was going.

723
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<v Speaker 2>Wow, you just I remember that. I remember getting that

724
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<v Speaker 2>news also that night.

725
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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So at Phillips Point. So I I U when when

728
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<v Speaker 1>I watch that movie in twenty twelve, I was not

729
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<v Speaker 1>a big fan. In the years since, I've grown to

730
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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it, and I would say now that, in fact

731
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<v Speaker 1>I do I do like it. I would say I

732
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<v Speaker 1>like it quite a bit in fact. So you know, change,

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<v Speaker 1>change happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think about that. I've had that recently actually,

735
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<v Speaker 2>where I think about things I've said on here. Yeah,

736
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<v Speaker 2>and then my opinion might change on a second viewing,

737
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<v Speaker 2>or something happens in my life and I look at

738
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<v Speaker 2>a piece of art differently because I have broader context.

739
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<v Speaker 1>You know.

740
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<v Speaker 2>It's and I'll think, oh, I think I said this

741
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<v Speaker 2>about this thing seven years ago, and it's interesting that

742
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:42.199
<v Speaker 2>that's on the record now. But just it happens to everybody,

743
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:46.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, our opinions and thoughts evolve and change. And

744
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<v Speaker 2>do you ever think about that?

745
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Constantly.

746
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

747
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<v Speaker 1>I think about the fact that I think when you're younger,

748
00:39:54.639 --> 00:40:00.559
<v Speaker 1>you feel more, you feel the necessity of being more

749
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<v Speaker 1>strident in your opinion, whichever way it is.

750
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've found this sure, Yeah, definitely.

751
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<v Speaker 1>You know, I encountered with my kids. I'll be like, oh, yeah,

752
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:14.519
<v Speaker 1>I remember this movie, like, Yeah, that sucked. I it sucked.

753
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:17.159
<v Speaker 1>I just thought it was whatever. No, it sucked right, right,

754
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:20.840
<v Speaker 1>And he know, And I'm like I remember being like that, Yeah,

755
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:25.679
<v Speaker 1>same right. And and I'm not saying movies don't suck.

756
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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying I I at this point, I'm able

757
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<v Speaker 1>to acknowledge the possibility that, well, what I feel today

758
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:34.559
<v Speaker 1>might not be what I feel five years from now.

759
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<v Speaker 1>And so certainly the Dark Knight Rise is like exemplar

760
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<v Speaker 1>one for that, because I I just went on a

761
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:46.519
<v Speaker 1>whole different journey with that movie, you know, and it

762
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:49.519
<v Speaker 1>still has flaws, and I can acknowledge those flaws. I

763
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<v Speaker 1>think you and I we had a great conversation when

764
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<v Speaker 1>we did our commentary track about it.

765
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:55.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I remember that. That was a good conversation.

766
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<v Speaker 1>I think it was a good, good track, you know.

767
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<v Speaker 1>But but I rewatched that trilogy just recently, and I'm like,

768
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<v Speaker 1>you know, this is this is something I'd credit directly

769
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<v Speaker 1>to you, because when it came to the Dark Knight trilogy,

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<v Speaker 1>I could not get past oh, why are they doing

771
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<v Speaker 1>this with Batman? And why are they ending Batman like this?

772
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:17.840
<v Speaker 1>And and you, either at that moment or eventually you

773
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:21.159
<v Speaker 1>were like, look, that's that Batman, right, and then there's

774
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:22.440
<v Speaker 1>going to be a different one, and that's going to

775
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:24.440
<v Speaker 1>be that Batman. And you know, you can judge them

776
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:27.079
<v Speaker 1>for what they are, but but each of them is

777
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:28.559
<v Speaker 1>its own thing. And that was sort of like a

778
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:33.320
<v Speaker 1>light bulb over the head moment, you know. But I'm glad,

779
00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:35.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad I went on that journey. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, and that's that's how you received it, that

781
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:41.159
<v Speaker 2>that was your honest, immediate feelings about it. And it's

782
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:42.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of cool that we're still doing this because then

783
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<v Speaker 2>we can chart, you know, our experience over the years.

784
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<v Speaker 1>So that leads to phillips question. He says, given the

785
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<v Speaker 1>current state of the DCU and how Supergirl has spectacularly

786
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:58.079
<v Speaker 1>flopped as the DCU second outing, would you two ever

787
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:04.199
<v Speaker 1>consider revisiting Batman Versus Superman Town of Justice. This year

788
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:06.639
<v Speaker 1>does mark the ten year anniversary of that film's release,

789
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.159
<v Speaker 1>and it was met with nothing but divisive reactions across

790
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<v Speaker 1>the board. And as I mentioned earlier, listening to you

791
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<v Speaker 1>talk about it from the past perspective of the show

792
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:19.320
<v Speaker 1>was interesting, to say the least. I wonder, I wonder

793
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<v Speaker 1>if your views or opinions have changed much, if at all,

794
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<v Speaker 1>on the film, especially in the wake of the release

795
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<v Speaker 1>of the Snyder cut of Justice League only five years ago.

796
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<v Speaker 1>Jesus was that five years ago? Aready? Wow? Holy? It

797
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:36.280
<v Speaker 1>was five wow. I've been wanting to but it's you know,

798
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<v Speaker 1>it's a commitment, it's a time comment. I painted a

799
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<v Speaker 1>much grander picture of what Zack Snyder was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>achieve during his time working on these characters. I'm sure

801
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:46.360
<v Speaker 1>others and I would be very curious to see if

802
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:48.840
<v Speaker 1>your perspectives have altered in a decade since. And I'm

803
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:51.079
<v Speaker 1>also sure some people would like to forget the film

804
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:53.800
<v Speaker 1>even exists. If you, guys, do decide to revisit it,

805
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:56.079
<v Speaker 1>would you choose the Theatric cut or the Ultimate Edition,

806
00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:58.559
<v Speaker 1>which is often regarded as the better version of the

807
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.239
<v Speaker 1>film to experience way. I love listening to the show

808
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:04.320
<v Speaker 1>every week and really appreciated the latest episode regarding Nolan's

809
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:06.880
<v Speaker 1>the odyssey, as well as the warm discussion regarding the

810
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.480
<v Speaker 1>passing of Sam Neil, who will be truly missed. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>also add one of my favorite roles of his outside

812
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<v Speaker 1>of Jurassic Park, which was as the elder version of

813
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:17.559
<v Speaker 1>Damian in the third Omen film, Omen three, The Final Conflict,

814
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<v Speaker 1>showcasing that even one of the kindest and well renowned

815
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:23.239
<v Speaker 1>actors could turn on some dark sensibilities have given the

816
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:25.840
<v Speaker 1>material to work with. As a summer movie season comes

817
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<v Speaker 1>to close, I can't wait to hear your thoughts on

818
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:28.679
<v Speaker 1>Spider Man Brand New Day, as well as the other

819
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<v Speaker 1>films getting ready for release this year, such as Dune

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<v Speaker 1>Part three and of course Avengers Doomsday. Keep up the

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<v Speaker 1>great work, guys, you always have a listener in me.

822
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<v Speaker 1>All the best, Thank you, Philip.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks Philip.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start at the end first, If you want to

825
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:43.880
<v Speaker 1>hear our thoughts on the Avengers Doomsday trailer, Hey, well,

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00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.079
<v Speaker 1>I would suggest going over to our Patreon page.

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00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:50.159
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's was one of our bonus conversations that drops

828
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<v Speaker 2>exclusively over at patreon dot com. Slash Movie Film podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we talked about that sucker for like a good

830
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<v Speaker 1>half hour just the trailer. Yeah, fun discussion. So well,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple things. First of all, so I wanted to

832
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<v Speaker 1>mention about Sam Neil because he mentioned Damien and we're

833
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<v Speaker 1>talking about d C. Sam Neil was also the visual

834
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<v Speaker 1>inspiration for the character Maxwell Lord, who is the villain

835
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<v Speaker 1>in Wonder Woman nineteen eighty four played by Pedro Pascal.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the late eighties when they when there was

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<v Speaker 1>a version of the Justice League where Maxwell Lord was

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<v Speaker 1>like their handler, and he wasn't a bad guy, he

839
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<v Speaker 1>was just kind of a complicated good guy. And the visual,

840
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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's clear as that. You can see it

841
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:36.360
<v Speaker 1>if you look at the comics from the eighties. Are

842
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:39.079
<v Speaker 1>the artist just Kevin maguire, he Drew Sam Neil.

843
00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:40.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you sent it to me.

844
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I would imagine that at least some of

845
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:47.840
<v Speaker 1>that inspiration came from having seen him as Damien an

846
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:52.159
<v Speaker 1>omen so Batman Vsus Superman.

847
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:55.559
<v Speaker 2>What was that a question?

848
00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:58.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna let that hang out there.

849
00:44:58.360 --> 00:44:59.880
<v Speaker 2>No, No, I'd love to.

850
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:04.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So Philip mentions that it's the tenth anniversary, So

851
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:05.840
<v Speaker 1>I did know that, and it is something that was

852
00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:09.480
<v Speaker 1>on my calendar as a possibility. I think for me,

853
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:13.159
<v Speaker 1>and this is not because of how I feel about

854
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:14.880
<v Speaker 1>the movie, but sort of how the world feels, I

855
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:18.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of want it to ferment a little more, you

856
00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:22.679
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. But I would absolutely be fine

857
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:24.679
<v Speaker 1>with revisiting. I think it would make for a fun commentary.

858
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:26.239
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely definitely.

859
00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:28.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did.

860
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I rewatched it five years ago in the

861
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:38.000
<v Speaker 1>lead up to Snyder's Justice League, and I think I

862
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:40.360
<v Speaker 1>could be wrong when I'm pretty sure. When we discussed

863
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Snyder's Justice League, I talked about the experience of watching

864
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:46.639
<v Speaker 1>Man of Steel, Bamman for Superman and then going right

865
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:49.119
<v Speaker 1>into the Snyder cut, and I found that a very

866
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:53.719
<v Speaker 1>fulfilling experience. I enjoyed that quite a bit. I'd like

867
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:54.119
<v Speaker 1>to do that.

868
00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:55.519
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to go down a journey again.

869
00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:59.159
<v Speaker 1>I think that makes for a fun trilogy. I watched

870
00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:03.159
<v Speaker 1>the Ultimate Addition when when I did that, so that's

871
00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:05.719
<v Speaker 1>certainly the version I would recommend. And again not to

872
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:09.960
<v Speaker 1>say I don't see flaws, I do. I think it.

873
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:13.679
<v Speaker 1>I think bam Edversuserman is a flawed film. I appreciate

874
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:17.320
<v Speaker 1>more many things in it, but but you know, there's

875
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:21.239
<v Speaker 1>creative choices that I think ended up kind of biting

876
00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Snyder in the ass. To be honest, you know, in

877
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:26.360
<v Speaker 1>addition to Warner Brothers, I don't think he is the

878
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:28.679
<v Speaker 1>one to blame solely for everything that happened. I think

879
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:31.960
<v Speaker 1>it's just a shit show of epic proportions everywhere at

880
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:39.199
<v Speaker 1>Warner Brothers and at least nothing's changed, same old stuff

881
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:42.360
<v Speaker 1>over there. But like you know, like you said, look,

882
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:46.800
<v Speaker 1>well that's that DC universe. Now we got this one.

883
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Let's see how this goes.

884
00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:52.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, yeah, but it's been a minute for me.

885
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:54.559
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to go back and rewash this.

886
00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:57.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like I said, it's been it's been five years,

887
00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:00.639
<v Speaker 1>so I'm I would say, if we come back and

888
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:04.719
<v Speaker 1>do a commentary, it'll be another couple of years probably. Okay,

889
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:11.159
<v Speaker 1>let it, let it sit, I would say. I mean,

890
00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:14.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're kind of like working our way through

891
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:21.239
<v Speaker 1>different Batman films, right yeah. Yeah, So I mean like

892
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:25.840
<v Speaker 1>eventually we'll just end up there. Yeah, you know. Yeah,

893
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:28.199
<v Speaker 1>but no, I'm not a posed to it. I'm assuming

894
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:31.000
<v Speaker 1>you're not either, No, no, yeah, so I think it'll

895
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:33.760
<v Speaker 1>be a fun one down. One last note. This is

896
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:37.719
<v Speaker 1>from Alex Nao and he says, greeting Stantz. It's been

897
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:39.599
<v Speaker 1>a while since I emailed you, so I thought to

898
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:41.440
<v Speaker 1>myself the other day, I need to get back in

899
00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:46.800
<v Speaker 1>touch with my good pals. Backy and Ryan he means

900
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:47.519
<v Speaker 1>Zachi and Brian.

901
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:48.239
<v Speaker 2>Thanks Alexa.

902
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.519
<v Speaker 1>As always, you've done stellar work recently. I was eagerly

903
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:57.199
<v Speaker 1>anticipating your episode on the Odyssey, and I was super

904
00:47:57.320 --> 00:47:59.880
<v Speaker 1>glad to hear you both raved about it. What kind

905
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:02.199
<v Speaker 1>of IMAX screens do you two have access to? The

906
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:04.719
<v Speaker 1>new one they built this year in Perth is Imax

907
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:08.199
<v Speaker 1>with laser. I don't know what that means, but even

908
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:10.840
<v Speaker 1>though it wasn't as massive as the true seventy millimeters screens,

909
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:14.519
<v Speaker 1>boy oh boy, was it an epic experience watching that film.

910
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:17.119
<v Speaker 1>From the early shot of the cameras zooming into the

911
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Trojan soldiers galloping towards the wooden Horse, I knew Nolan

912
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:22.440
<v Speaker 1>had done it again, and the entire sequence with Circe

913
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:25.519
<v Speaker 1>is for me easily one of Nolan's best, along with

914
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:27.679
<v Speaker 1>the Joker chase in Dark Knight and the twenty seven

915
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:30.519
<v Speaker 1>years of video messages in Interstellar. I would love to

916
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:32.119
<v Speaker 1>see it again in Imax, but it's a matter of

917
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:36.760
<v Speaker 1>the tickets being available before it leaves theaters. With the

918
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:39.519
<v Speaker 1>Avengers Doomsday trailer, I have similar feelings to Brian and

919
00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:43.000
<v Speaker 1>that it didn't quite hook me completely, but I can

920
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:45.320
<v Speaker 1>totally see myself being giddy as a school child as

921
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:47.840
<v Speaker 1>opening weekend creeps closer and we get to see it

922
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:52.000
<v Speaker 1>in the next great innovation in cinematic technology Infinity vision

923
00:48:53.079 --> 00:49:00.559
<v Speaker 1>Q wow wow too bess out infinity vision, which means

924
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:06.480
<v Speaker 1>nothing anyway. Snark aside, There is one curious fan theory

925
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:08.199
<v Speaker 1>I've seen a few people mentioned, and I would like

926
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:10.519
<v Speaker 1>to get both of your thoughts on if it's not

927
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:13.719
<v Speaker 1>too potentially spoilery the sequence in the trailer, Well, it's

928
00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:16.119
<v Speaker 1>in the trailer, so I think we're fine. Where we

929
00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:18.920
<v Speaker 1>see Thor and Cap with the hammer. People have said

930
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:21.519
<v Speaker 1>that it's actually Loki the version of the TV show

931
00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:24.639
<v Speaker 1>in disguise as Cap when he first meets Thor, and

932
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:28.280
<v Speaker 1>the grin on CAP's face is Loki's satisfaction at him

933
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:32.159
<v Speaker 1>finally being worthy of mule Naire. That might be a

934
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:34.679
<v Speaker 1>bit too convoluted, but I believe that at the very

935
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.440
<v Speaker 1>least the shot where Thor says it's not possible, it

936
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:41.519
<v Speaker 1>is actually him reacting to seeing Loki, not Cap. What

937
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:43.599
<v Speaker 1>do you think and if this isn't when Thor and

938
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:46.159
<v Speaker 1>Loki reunit, how would you like to see that moment unfold?

939
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Many thanks to you for providing the best movie and

940
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:52.880
<v Speaker 1>TV podcast on the Interweb's hands down Kindergards. Alex. Thank you,

941
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:55.639
<v Speaker 1>Alex Right, I.

942
00:49:55.880 --> 00:49:58.599
<v Speaker 2>Honestly if that's how the trailer ended, and it was

943
00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:02.280
<v Speaker 2>a little you know, maybe Thor looking away in disbelief,

944
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:05.280
<v Speaker 2>and then we saw his CAP's face warp a little bit.

945
00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:08.960
<v Speaker 2>I might have been what you know, that might have

946
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:11.440
<v Speaker 2>given me a little bit more of a surprise than

947
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:13.480
<v Speaker 2>what I feel like I saw otherwise.

948
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:14.679
<v Speaker 1>Interesting.

949
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:16.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that's what I wanted to be. I

950
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:19.159
<v Speaker 2>don't know who knows, but that's I really like that,

951
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:21.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, surprise.

952
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, when you think about it, I mean, there's like

953
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:27.000
<v Speaker 1>three opportunities that we know of for Thor to say

954
00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:30.639
<v Speaker 1>it's not possible, right number one Steve Rogers, Number two

955
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:36.599
<v Speaker 1>Loki number three doctor Doom who looks just like Tony Stark. Yeah, right,

956
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:40.360
<v Speaker 1>So that shot could literally be from any one.

957
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:42.159
<v Speaker 2>Of those, you know, and you know what, probably I

958
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:44.599
<v Speaker 2>bet in their avids they have all three of those versions,

959
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:47.400
<v Speaker 2>because from what I hear, they're trying really hard to

960
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:48.239
<v Speaker 2>still find the movie.

961
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:50.079
<v Speaker 1>That is fascinating.

962
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I trust that they will find the movie. Oh,

963
00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:56.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm certain of it.

964
00:50:56.960 --> 00:51:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I well, so, I've so what Alex said, that's

965
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:03.440
<v Speaker 1>the first time I've heard that theory. I've heard a

966
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:05.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of like oh, this is actually evil cap who's

967
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:10.360
<v Speaker 1>part of Hydra. And I'm like, no, it's not that.

968
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:13.559
<v Speaker 1>That's silly. And if it does turn out to be

969
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:15.039
<v Speaker 1>a case, I'm gonna sound like an assholes or here

970
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:18.320
<v Speaker 1>it is, But I don't believe that that's the case.

971
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:22.719
<v Speaker 1>I think that's just that's just too many Jenga blocks

972
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:23.559
<v Speaker 1>that you're piling up.

973
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:23.760
<v Speaker 2>You know.

974
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:29.840
<v Speaker 1>I feel like there are enough other surprises that are

975
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:32.840
<v Speaker 1>likely waiting in the movie that they felt confident putting

976
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:34.320
<v Speaker 1>this out there already see.

977
00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:37.480
<v Speaker 2>And that's what's kind of cool, because yeah, like Alex

978
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:40.159
<v Speaker 2>was saying, and I wasn't feeling a lot from the

979
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:42.320
<v Speaker 2>trailer because I felt like I wasn't seeing anything I

980
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:46.599
<v Speaker 2>haven't seen before. But I know when I watch these movies,

981
00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:49.039
<v Speaker 2>I always enjoy them. So they're in this funny position

982
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:53.039
<v Speaker 2>where I don't need to like the trailer. They already

983
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:55.239
<v Speaker 2>have my money, and I think that goes for a

984
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:57.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of people, and in a way, that's kind of

985
00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:59.800
<v Speaker 2>great because then I'm going to go in not no

986
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:03.440
<v Speaker 2>getny of these surprises, and they probably they I mean,

987
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:05.920
<v Speaker 2>these guys have the Russo Brothers have a great track record,

988
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:09.000
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. So in a way, I

989
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:12.639
<v Speaker 2>almost prefer it. I would prefer to save that experience

990
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:13.599
<v Speaker 2>for when I see the movie.

991
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, I think that this trailer did the job

992
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:25.039
<v Speaker 1>of making people aware that there's, like the broader audience,

993
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:27.719
<v Speaker 1>not the not the online crowd, that there's new Avengers coming.

994
00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:29.840
<v Speaker 1>And I think I think we mentioned this in the

995
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:33.239
<v Speaker 1>in the in our bonus conversation, but I I kind

996
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:37.000
<v Speaker 1>of love that that it almost feels like a legacy

997
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:41.599
<v Speaker 1>sequel to Endgame. Yeah, right, uh, And so I I

998
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:45.039
<v Speaker 1>have a feeling that as that movie's release gets closer,

999
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:46.559
<v Speaker 1>I think people are gonna get more excited. I think

1000
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:49.880
<v Speaker 1>people are gonna dip back in and and start looking

1001
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:51.920
<v Speaker 1>at the stuff they may have missed or forgotten about.

1002
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:57.039
<v Speaker 1>And and again, this all hinges on the movie being good.

1003
00:52:57.159 --> 00:52:59.159
<v Speaker 1>So like we're sort of at this moment taking it

1004
00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:02.119
<v Speaker 1>as as a given that it will be good, which

1005
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:05.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe we shouldn't, but for the sake of this discussion

1006
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:06.679
<v Speaker 1>at this moment, let's assume it is.

1007
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the hope.

1008
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:09.159
<v Speaker 1>That's the hope.

1009
00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:11.199
<v Speaker 2>Well, and by the way, aren't they putting out a

1010
00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:14.639
<v Speaker 2>special version of Endgame that has additional footage in it

1011
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:19.320
<v Speaker 2>that I feel like they've said is vital to the

1012
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:21.239
<v Speaker 2>best enjoyment of Doomsday.

1013
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:23.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I feel like it's just going to be

1014
00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:26.239
<v Speaker 1>like like they're just going to Walter Payton, doctor Doom

1015
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:29.639
<v Speaker 1>into various scenes like reacting to things happening.

1016
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:36.920
<v Speaker 2>That's a great deep cut reference. Do you want to

1017
00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:39.119
<v Speaker 2>explain that? All right?

1018
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:42.000
<v Speaker 1>So, in nineteen eighty six, the Chicago Bears put out

1019
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:43.840
<v Speaker 1>a video called the Super Bowl Shuffle. This was at

1020
00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:46.320
<v Speaker 1>the start of the season. This is a kind of

1021
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:49.440
<v Speaker 1>a bit of arrogance on the part of the Bears.

1022
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:51.440
<v Speaker 1>They were very confident that they were going to win

1023
00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:54.559
<v Speaker 1>the Super Bowl, and the whole team was there, I

1024
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:57.880
<v Speaker 1>forget all the various members, but Walter Payton sweetness was

1025
00:53:58.000 --> 00:53:59.920
<v Speaker 1>not available when they shot it. So they shot it

1026
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:02.920
<v Speaker 1>against a green screen and they composited him in to

1027
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:03.599
<v Speaker 1>this video.

1028
00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in nineteen eighty six.

1029
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:07.000
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighty six. Now, I don't know how it

1030
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:08.840
<v Speaker 1>was perceived back then, but if you watch it now,

1031
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:12.320
<v Speaker 1>it's clear as day that he's not really there, right right,

1032
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:17.079
<v Speaker 1>It's like Scarlett Johansson and Captain America Civil Wars, very obvious.

1033
00:54:18.039 --> 00:54:20.039
<v Speaker 1>They got her way later, you know, you.

1034
00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Know, I see I just wanted to get this on

1035
00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:23.480
<v Speaker 2>the record, So here it is, and now you can

1036
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:25.039
<v Speaker 2>use that as shorthand moving forward.

1037
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

1038
00:54:26.199 --> 00:54:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1039
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:29.480
<v Speaker 1>So I feel like it'll just be a lot of that.

1040
00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:33.519
<v Speaker 1>It'll be the New Doomsday version of Avengers Endgame, and

1041
00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:37.519
<v Speaker 1>it's just Doctor Doom just like silently reacting to various

1042
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:38.719
<v Speaker 1>scenes as they happen.

1043
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like something. Yeah, there's like a conversation, group convo,

1044
00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:44.760
<v Speaker 2>and then the camera zooms to like the corner of

1045
00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:45.960
<v Speaker 2>a building and he's.

1046
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:54.039
<v Speaker 1>Like, uh yeah, like you know, you know, Tony Stark snaps,

1047
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:56.840
<v Speaker 1>and then we cut to Doctor Doom and he looks

1048
00:54:56.920 --> 00:54:59.920
<v Speaker 1>like Eddie Murphy as mister Robinson, like when the doorbell

1049
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:06.119
<v Speaker 1>you know. That's that's the version in my head. Anyway,

1050
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:09.360
<v Speaker 1>that's a specific too.

1051
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:11.800
<v Speaker 2>I wish people could see it. It's like a real

1052
00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:15.199
<v Speaker 2>oh oh kind of face.

1053
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:17.119
<v Speaker 1>You got it.

1054
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's good.

1055
00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:24.039
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for that, Alex though. Oh and here's Brian.

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00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:30.159
<v Speaker 1>Here's two notes we got from Rogier Caprino. So they

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00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:32.039
<v Speaker 1>are in reference to, you know, movies that are in

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00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:34.760
<v Speaker 1>the conversation right now. Number one, Hi, guys, I finished

1059
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:37.159
<v Speaker 1>the Odyssey review today. I have little to add, but

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00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:40.559
<v Speaker 1>I agree one hundred percent with the praise and thoughts.

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00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:43.400
<v Speaker 1>I've always liked Nolan, but the Odyssey made me a fan.

1062
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:47.079
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to see what he does in three years. PS.

1063
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:50.039
<v Speaker 1>Robert Pattinson and Tom Holland should make more movies together

1064
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:54.760
<v Speaker 1>and add David corn Sweat to the mix. Yeah. And

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00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:57.239
<v Speaker 1>then I followed up the following day with this one.

1066
00:55:57.719 --> 00:56:01.159
<v Speaker 1>Spider Man was great, five out of five, one comic

1067
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:04.440
<v Speaker 1>book accurate Spidey. Tom really gets the shine in brand

1068
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:06.800
<v Speaker 1>new Day, and it gave me feeling similar to Superman

1069
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:10.280
<v Speaker 1>from last year, but in a different way. Tom till

1070
00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:15.719
<v Speaker 1>you're ninety. I'm sure Sony would love that he stuck

1071
00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:16.599
<v Speaker 1>around till he's ninty.

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00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:20.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, thank you for that, Rochier, and thank you

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00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:23.880
<v Speaker 2>everybody who wrote in. Yes, hey, we got some trailers

1074
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:27.320
<v Speaker 2>coming soon to theaters.

1075
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:31.519
<v Speaker 1>All right, well here's one we have talked about. You

1076
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:34.119
<v Speaker 1>and I we've mentioned in a few episodes in Hush Tones.

1077
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:40.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about Clayface. Yes. So this is the latest,

1078
00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:45.679
<v Speaker 1>the next I should say, DC Universe theatrical movie. It's

1079
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:50.679
<v Speaker 1>coming up October, just in time for folloween. Written by

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00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:56.079
<v Speaker 1>Mike Flanagan. Yeah, yeah, who I like I'm I'm a

1081
00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:58.719
<v Speaker 1>fan of his. I like Doctor Sleep quite a bit.

1082
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Why don't we play some of the audio from this trailer?

1083
00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:06.039
<v Speaker 2>What do you want, miss Chagan? I want my life back.

1084
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:16.960
<v Speaker 1>I know you you're famous. It's a tragedy and what

1085
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:22.199
<v Speaker 1>they did to him boo, I'd like to volunteer for

1086
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:27.360
<v Speaker 1>human trust. This isn't cosmetic surgery.

1087
00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Even if he kills me, I'll be better off than

1088
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:32.519
<v Speaker 2>I am.

1089
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Now, Okay, Brian, how are you feeling about this? So

1090
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:39.599
<v Speaker 1>for those of you who don't know, and the trailer

1091
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:42.800
<v Speaker 1>doesn't relea say anything, but clay Face is a Batman villain,

1092
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:48.239
<v Speaker 1>so we're doing the thing. Obviously, we did Joker in

1093
00:57:48.360 --> 00:57:51.840
<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen and we got a billion dollars. What other

1094
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Batman villains can we make a movie out of? And

1095
00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:57.440
<v Speaker 1>so they've landed on this. However, unlike Joker, this is

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00:57:57.559 --> 00:58:04.239
<v Speaker 1>part of the universe, right, your thoughts, I'm actually very

1097
00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:05.159
<v Speaker 1>curious about your thoughts.

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00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, I know Clayface kind of from the cartoon. Yeah,

1099
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:12.599
<v Speaker 2>but I had not watched that since I was a kid. Really,

1100
00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:16.280
<v Speaker 2>and then I read the Batman nineteen eighty nine sequel

1101
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:20.440
<v Speaker 2>book recently. Oh okay, and clay Face, Isn't that Clayface

1102
00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:23.920
<v Speaker 2>is the villain in that movie or movie in that book,

1103
00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:26.800
<v Speaker 2>And so that was kind of a reintroduction for me

1104
00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:29.480
<v Speaker 2>with him, and you're in his head because it's a book,

1105
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:33.559
<v Speaker 2>and I got really endeared to him actually, and I mean,

1106
00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:38.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, he's a little twisted, but he's occasionally sympathetic.

1107
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:41.079
<v Speaker 1>So just to be clear, this is the novel that

1108
00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:41.920
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about.

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00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to script past the fact that

1110
00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:45.280
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember his title.

1111
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:50.679
<v Speaker 1>It's like Resurrection. There's a few, right, there's like two

1112
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:50.960
<v Speaker 1>of them.

1113
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:56.199
<v Speaker 2>Now, yeah, Resurrection, Resurrection okay, by John Jackson Miller.

1114
00:58:56.599 --> 00:58:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not to be confused with the Batman eighty nine

1115
00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:02.599
<v Speaker 1>c qual comic correct correct, Okay.

1116
00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:05.559
<v Speaker 2>And so I was like, yeah, I like this character.

1117
00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:07.199
<v Speaker 2>And then when I heard they were going to make

1118
00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:09.519
<v Speaker 2>a movie, and then I saw this trailer, I was like, oh,

1119
00:59:09.559 --> 00:59:12.599
<v Speaker 2>this is it kind of feels like the substance in

1120
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:15.400
<v Speaker 2>the Batman universe or something kind of a body horror.

1121
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:19.519
<v Speaker 2>Someone who I mean, you could call it vanity, but

1122
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:22.000
<v Speaker 2>also maybe just wants to return to a life they

1123
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.639
<v Speaker 2>once knew. So they're taking extreme measures and it's screwing

1124
00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:29.280
<v Speaker 2>up their appearance and maybe breaking their brains a little bit.

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00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:36.159
<v Speaker 2>I think that is a movie that I I'm very

1126
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:38.880
<v Speaker 2>interested in that. I like the small approach, I like

1127
00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:42.800
<v Speaker 2>the darker tone. I do question this being the third

1128
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:46.920
<v Speaker 2>DC movie, Yeah, especially following Supergirl, which they couldn't have

1129
00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:49.840
<v Speaker 2>anticipated when they decided to do this. They played this

1130
00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:54.320
<v Speaker 2>trailer before Spider Man. The second time I watched it,

1131
00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:59.719
<v Speaker 2>and as they reveal that, oh, his face is melting

1132
00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:02.079
<v Speaker 2>and he's gonna take scissors and cut them open, my

1133
01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:05.519
<v Speaker 2>friend next to me went ew and I was like, well,

1134
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:08.000
<v Speaker 2>you lost her, Like you know what I mean, Like,

1135
01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:11.480
<v Speaker 2>this isn't gonna be for everybody. You really, this is

1136
01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:15.400
<v Speaker 2>a limited audience for this one, I think. And had

1137
01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Supergirl been a really big hit for them, you could

1138
01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:23.960
<v Speaker 2>sort of get away with these smaller, quirkier more you know,

1139
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:26.760
<v Speaker 2>these characters are movies that you know. James Gunn is like,

1140
01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:29.960
<v Speaker 2>this is up his alley, this is his flavor, and

1141
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:31.920
<v Speaker 2>he gets to do his thing, one for them, one

1142
01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:34.880
<v Speaker 2>for me. But I I don't know. I'm not sure

1143
01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:36.119
<v Speaker 2>how this is going to play, and I don't know

1144
01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:38.199
<v Speaker 2>how well this is or what this is going to do.

1145
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:43.039
<v Speaker 2>For the DC narrative right now. Yeah, but you know

1146
01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:46.360
<v Speaker 2>it's like dark Man kind of right. I'm into watching

1147
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:48.800
<v Speaker 2>a movie kind of like dark Man, but sure that

1148
01:00:48.920 --> 01:00:50.920
<v Speaker 2>might not be the best they're hoping for out of this.

1149
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:54.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you well, I should mention real quick

1150
01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:57.559
<v Speaker 1>Tom Reese Harries, who plays Clay Face aka Matt Hagan

1151
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:00.400
<v Speaker 1>the actor. I just saw him in The Return like

1152
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:01.159
<v Speaker 1>two nights ago.

1153
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:03.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh funny, just random.

1154
01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Uh, I I've said before, I think this is in

1155
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:13.199
<v Speaker 1>our bonus episode. I don't understand why they're going so

1156
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:13.880
<v Speaker 1>early with this.

1157
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:17.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, this feels like after you're able to do

1158
01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:19.280
<v Speaker 2>a victory lap and be like, hey, check this out.

1159
01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:22.239
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna make this small, smaller Batman villain you may

1160
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:24.880
<v Speaker 2>not even have heard of, and make a great little

1161
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:27.199
<v Speaker 2>horror movie out of it, but maybe not third movie

1162
01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:27.559
<v Speaker 2>out of the.

1163
01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:31.079
<v Speaker 1>Gate, right, And I'm not saying this will end up

1164
01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:35.920
<v Speaker 1>in this way, but I get like Sony Marvel villain

1165
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:37.239
<v Speaker 1>movie vibes a little bit.

1166
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure, sure, right.

1167
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:41.400
<v Speaker 1>It feels a little Craven to me.

1168
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, okay, right, like and pre watching Craven or

1169
01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:47.440
<v Speaker 2>post watching Craven.

1170
01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:51.599
<v Speaker 1>Good point, uh, pre in that I could not have

1171
01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:55.000
<v Speaker 1>anticipated Craven would be as awful as it was, but

1172
01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:58.559
<v Speaker 1>you watched the trailer, and at least from the trailer,

1173
01:01:58.719 --> 01:02:01.400
<v Speaker 1>I was like, all right, I'm willing to go with this,

1174
01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:03.599
<v Speaker 1>I guess, but why isn't Spider Man in this?

1175
01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:05.079
<v Speaker 2>Totally?

1176
01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:09.079
<v Speaker 1>Totally? And what I said after watching Craven was I

1177
01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:11.519
<v Speaker 1>think everything in Craven would have been a great B

1178
01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:15.760
<v Speaker 1>story in a Spider Man movie, right, And from watching

1179
01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:17.960
<v Speaker 1>this trailer, I'm like, well, it feels like a pretty

1180
01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:21.400
<v Speaker 1>good B story in a Batman movie. You know. Actually,

1181
01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:24.159
<v Speaker 1>I kind of wish this was the Batman movie, right,

1182
01:02:24.559 --> 01:02:27.199
<v Speaker 1>like this guy, Yeah, that's interesting to me, you know.

1183
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:31.239
<v Speaker 1>So I you know, I think that I think by

1184
01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:36.159
<v Speaker 1>and large, Joker really like Pete in the Pool in

1185
01:02:36.320 --> 01:02:39.079
<v Speaker 1>that it like it got them thinking, oh, we can

1186
01:02:39.199 --> 01:02:41.719
<v Speaker 1>just do this with with all of these characters, right,

1187
01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:46.880
<v Speaker 1>and I don't. I think for every for every Joker

1188
01:02:47.119 --> 01:02:53.639
<v Speaker 1>slash Venom, there's about fifty, you know, fifty Cravens. And

1189
01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:56.559
<v Speaker 1>I think Clay Faces an interesting Batman villain and that's

1190
01:02:56.559 --> 01:02:59.440
<v Speaker 1>about the extent of it, right, right. I think it's

1191
01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:01.400
<v Speaker 1>smart they didn't spend more than forty million, but I

1192
01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:02.960
<v Speaker 1>don't think they're going to be making a huge probit

1193
01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:05.039
<v Speaker 1>unless the movie is extraordinary.

1194
01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:09.039
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm thinking, Like, I would like to hope

1195
01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:12.519
<v Speaker 2>that this is a cool, darker character piece in a

1196
01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:16.000
<v Speaker 2>superhero universe that is intriguing to me. So I'm hoping

1197
01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:19.199
<v Speaker 2>it's it's good, But I still find it a curious decision.

1198
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just odd, you know. Yeah, And I was.

1199
01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Thinking during the trailer because it is like Joker right

1200
01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:31.239
<v Speaker 2>where you're you're focused on the quote unquote villain as

1201
01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:35.039
<v Speaker 2>the main character, so you're gonna get somewhat you know,

1202
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:37.119
<v Speaker 2>his point of view at the very least, and you know,

1203
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:40.199
<v Speaker 2>probably hoping he'll things will turn around in his life.

1204
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:42.880
<v Speaker 2>And I was picturing this guy and everything he's going through,

1205
01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:45.960
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, I lost my job, I lost my life,

1206
01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:48.440
<v Speaker 2>I lost my face. And then I was just picturing

1207
01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:51.199
<v Speaker 2>Batman dropping down in front of him and being like booh,

1208
01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:53.519
<v Speaker 2>and then punching him in the face. And it's like, yeah,

1209
01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:57.400
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of strange when you make the villains the protagonists,

1210
01:03:57.920 --> 01:03:58.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, Yeah, and.

1211
01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:00.840
<v Speaker 1>See this is you know you talk about Batman the

1212
01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:08.119
<v Speaker 1>animated series. I think that show just mastered it right.

1213
01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:12.480
<v Speaker 1>How to how to give the villains just enough of

1214
01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:16.480
<v Speaker 1>a sympathetic backstory where where you feel a certain amount

1215
01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:21.360
<v Speaker 1>of pain thos, but you're still invested in Batman stopping them. Yeah,

1216
01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:25.239
<v Speaker 1>And whether we're talking about Clayface or Mister Freeze or

1217
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:28.519
<v Speaker 1>two Face the Mad Hatter, I just go on and on.

1218
01:04:28.719 --> 01:04:33.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, Riddler, that show was able to do that

1219
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:37.880
<v Speaker 1>so consistently. Well that not just I mean, this is

1220
01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:40.599
<v Speaker 1>not a problem that's new to this Clayface movie. I

1221
01:04:40.639 --> 01:04:43.840
<v Speaker 1>mean it's a problem that Batman films have themselves struggled with,

1222
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:48.480
<v Speaker 1>because once you've done as good of a Mister Freeze

1223
01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:52.480
<v Speaker 1>as the animated series, well well nothing the movie movies

1224
01:04:52.519 --> 01:04:54.920
<v Speaker 1>could do would measure up right. And that's why the

1225
01:04:54.960 --> 01:05:00.719
<v Speaker 1>Schwarzenegger one was whatever it was right right. So yeah,

1226
01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:04.480
<v Speaker 1>I I I find it odd more than anything. It's

1227
01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:07.159
<v Speaker 1>an odd choice, and I'm happy to be proven wrong.

1228
01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:08.679
<v Speaker 1>Just to be clear, I would love nothing more for

1229
01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:12.039
<v Speaker 1>the movie to be a pleasant surprise, but it the

1230
01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:17.559
<v Speaker 1>trailer grossed me out, and if not for the Batman connection,

1231
01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:21.559
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be watching it at all. Yeah, you know

1232
01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:24.360
<v Speaker 1>that said, I mean, as we record this, we're about

1233
01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:27.719
<v Speaker 1>a week out from the next DC Universe thing, which

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01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:31.480
<v Speaker 1>is Lanterns coming up on HBO or HBO Max. And

1235
01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:35.480
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I think that's a good example of

1236
01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:39.400
<v Speaker 1>what has been guns stated approach, which is take familiar

1237
01:05:39.519 --> 01:05:42.920
<v Speaker 1>DC characters and put them in sort of genres that

1238
01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:47.119
<v Speaker 1>would you wouldn't expect them in. Right, So if they

1239
01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:49.880
<v Speaker 1>really knocked that out, you know, maybe that'll that'll reset

1240
01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:51.079
<v Speaker 1>my expectations for this one.

1241
01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:52.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you know.

1242
01:05:53.880 --> 01:05:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, that is coming up in October, but just a

1243
01:05:56.920 --> 01:05:59.679
<v Speaker 1>month before that, just in time for my birthday. As

1244
01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:03.000
<v Speaker 1>a matter of right, we've got the new eight twenty

1245
01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:10.440
<v Speaker 1>four release Primetime starring Robert Pattinson as Chris Hanson. Man,

1246
01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:12.280
<v Speaker 1>what a what a weird sentence?

1247
01:06:12.559 --> 01:06:16.480
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know. It is funny where these things,

1248
01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:21.519
<v Speaker 2>these news stories or news personalities from our youth are

1249
01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:25.000
<v Speaker 2>now the subjects of movies. Yeah, you know, it's kind

1250
01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:25.480
<v Speaker 2>of strange.

1251
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:27.519
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's play some of the audio from this.

1252
01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:38.159
<v Speaker 2>Okay, are you sure your parents are known? I'm sure,

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<v Speaker 2>Big night planned? Who are you? And she have a

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01:06:44.280 --> 01:06:51.039
<v Speaker 2>seat right there. I'm Chris Hansen with Dayline NBC, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing a story on adults who try to meet

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<v Speaker 2>teens online.

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<v Speaker 1>You see how this looks, right, I don't really like your.

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01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Show, but America loves it, so I need to move.

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01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:10.960
<v Speaker 3>To Catch a Predator nine pm, five times gonna be

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01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:11.480
<v Speaker 3>bigger than.

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<v Speaker 1>Loss alrighty, so I should mention So this this movie

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01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:22.679
<v Speaker 1>is based on I'm assuming it's like a heavily dramatized

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01:07:22.760 --> 01:07:25.840
<v Speaker 1>version of the behind the scenes of the To Catch

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01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:31.880
<v Speaker 1>a Predator investigations that Dateline did. And I mentioned this

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01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:36.119
<v Speaker 1>on on the program a few months ago, but you know,

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01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:40.800
<v Speaker 1>they they just recently came out with a documentary about

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01:07:40.960 --> 01:07:42.320
<v Speaker 1>that whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I watched it on your recommendation.

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01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Right, so it certainly it's the it's all all of

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01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:52.800
<v Speaker 1>that is very fresh in my mind. So it's cool

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01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:55.480
<v Speaker 1>now to see this film, and you know, I'm looking

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01:07:55.519 --> 01:07:58.199
<v Speaker 1>forward to comparing cresting. What did you think of that documentary?

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, I was just googling it called predator right,

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01:08:01.559 --> 01:08:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Predators Predators? Okay, I liked it quite a bit. I

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01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:09.199
<v Speaker 2>mean because we might have talked about this, but I mean,

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01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:12.360
<v Speaker 2>this show was a phenomenon when it happened, and it

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01:08:12.519 --> 01:08:19.279
<v Speaker 2>was it's so interesting, so many new genres were basically

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01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:22.560
<v Speaker 2>born in that moment, as reality TV was exploding. I mean,

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01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:26.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, just playing with the fort you had like

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01:08:26.079 --> 01:08:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Survivor in the real world and things. But then people

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01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:31.199
<v Speaker 2>were like, what if we tweaked it? Like what if

1282
01:08:31.239 --> 01:08:33.000
<v Speaker 2>we made a show that looked like The Bachelor, but

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01:08:33.079 --> 01:08:35.239
<v Speaker 2>the guy really wasn't a millionaire? Wouldn't that be funny?

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01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:37.760
<v Speaker 2>And every you know, like they were just playing with it,

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01:08:37.920 --> 01:08:40.840
<v Speaker 2>and then this felt like sort of a strange twist

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01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:43.960
<v Speaker 2>on reality, but also it had this like veneer of

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01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:47.359
<v Speaker 2>integrity where it was like, well, what if we make

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01:08:47.399 --> 01:08:52.279
<v Speaker 2>this hidden camera scenario where we lure these child predators

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01:08:52.399 --> 01:08:55.520
<v Speaker 2>into a house and we confront them and say what

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01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:58.039
<v Speaker 2>were you thinking? And they're literally going to be on

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01:08:58.279 --> 01:09:01.239
<v Speaker 2>camera and there's a you know, Chris Hansen, the dayline host,

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01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:04.359
<v Speaker 2>will come out and interrogate this person and then they'll

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01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:06.840
<v Speaker 2>be arrested in front of our eyes. And so we're

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01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:10.840
<v Speaker 2>getting to witness this weird sort of thing we know

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01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:14.399
<v Speaker 2>exists but have never actually seen. And there's also like

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01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:19.159
<v Speaker 2>a strange bit of like I don't know, like satisfaction

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01:09:19.319 --> 01:09:23.960
<v Speaker 2>and seeing these people taken down. And so I watched

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01:09:23.960 --> 01:09:25.079
<v Speaker 2>this show all the time. I mean, it was a

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01:09:25.159 --> 01:09:29.439
<v Speaker 2>humungous hit when it came out. So the Predator's documentary

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01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:33.079
<v Speaker 2>was interesting because they were like, yes, we don't want

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01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:36.800
<v Speaker 2>these people out there interacting with children or anything, but

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01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:40.119
<v Speaker 2>let's like dig into it, like, let's take a closer

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01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:43.399
<v Speaker 2>look at some of these people who maybe we're walking

1304
01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:46.000
<v Speaker 2>up to a mistake, but with the right guidance, would

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01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:48.479
<v Speaker 2>have walked it back right right.

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01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:49.479
<v Speaker 1>And so it's.

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<v Speaker 2>It's difficult because every case is different, right, But it

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01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:58.239
<v Speaker 2>was just sort of like, let's just think about this

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01:09:58.319 --> 01:10:00.319
<v Speaker 2>a little let's talk about it a little bit. And

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01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:01.560
<v Speaker 2>I found that very interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there is one one moment in the documentary where

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01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:09.159
<v Speaker 1>they they they talked to the many of the people

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01:10:09.199 --> 01:10:12.800
<v Speaker 1>who served as decoys. Yes, and so they they were

1314
01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:15.720
<v Speaker 1>of age, but they were able to, you know, give

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01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:17.920
<v Speaker 1>off vibes of being somebody under age, and so you know,

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01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:20.319
<v Speaker 1>they were putting that that role. And and there was

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01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:25.319
<v Speaker 1>there was one decoy she talked about being being situated

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01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:28.840
<v Speaker 1>on a on a beach and one of the targets

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01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:31.119
<v Speaker 1>was gonna, you know, meet her on the beach and

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01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:35.079
<v Speaker 1>and she talked to him for a little bit and

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01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:36.960
<v Speaker 1>she she kind of kind of what you were saying,

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01:10:37.039 --> 01:10:40.000
<v Speaker 1>She got the sense that this guy is just like

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01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:44.159
<v Speaker 1>lonely and not fully aware of like what what is

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01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:44.960
<v Speaker 1>about to happen?

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01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:48.439
<v Speaker 2>Right, And of course it's it's delicate because it's like

1326
01:10:49.479 --> 01:10:50.720
<v Speaker 2>these people did show.

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01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:54.319
<v Speaker 1>Up, right, I mean it's tricky, right, It's it's complicated,

1328
01:10:54.399 --> 01:10:57.000
<v Speaker 1>no doubt. And but but she talks about in hindsight

1329
01:10:57.439 --> 01:10:59.159
<v Speaker 1>where she was she just wanted to be like just

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01:10:59.439 --> 01:10:59.920
<v Speaker 1>just just go.

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01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you know, because she was like he was

1332
01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:06.840
<v Speaker 2>about my age. Yeah, he was lost, he needed help.

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01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:11.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And and so you know that documentary. I found

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01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:14.279
<v Speaker 1>it fascinating. It wasn't perfect. I think I think there

1335
01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:18.199
<v Speaker 1>were some some blind spots there, but I as a

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01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:22.319
<v Speaker 1>look into a phenomenon that I remember quite well, you know,

1337
01:11:22.399 --> 01:11:25.600
<v Speaker 1>from from twenty years ago thereabouts. I found it interesting.

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01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:30.039
<v Speaker 1>And then and then this this trailer drops. I saw

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01:11:30.079 --> 01:11:31.760
<v Speaker 1>the teaser like a month or so ago, and I

1340
01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:34.720
<v Speaker 1>had no idea this movie was coming. And I'm like, man, fascinating,

1341
01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:36.439
<v Speaker 1>like just the pipeline, you know.

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01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:37.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1343
01:11:37.960 --> 01:11:42.520
<v Speaker 1>And and Lance Oppenheim, who's the director. He was born

1344
01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:46.039
<v Speaker 1>in ninety six. That means he was like ten. To

1345
01:11:46.159 --> 01:11:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Catch a Predator first aired, you know, wow, he's a documentarian.

1346
01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:53.800
<v Speaker 1>This is his feature debut, but you got you got

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01:11:53.880 --> 01:12:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Patinson him again, just like this killer Chris Hansen impression.

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01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:03.880
<v Speaker 2>I remember the teaser. I was like, oh yeah, okay,

1349
01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:05.560
<v Speaker 2>I can kind of see it. And then in this one,

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01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:09.199
<v Speaker 2>this trailer in particular, I was like, whoa, he looks

1351
01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:11.159
<v Speaker 2>like he's got the voice.

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01:12:11.439 --> 01:12:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the documentary. I mean they interview Chris Hansen.

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01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:18.479
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and.

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01:12:20.359 --> 01:12:26.640
<v Speaker 1>That is a fascinating segment because you know, I mean,

1355
01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:31.079
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't it doesn't glaze him, No, no, not at all,

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01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:33.760
<v Speaker 1>nor does it condemn him. I mean it's kind of

1357
01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:38.560
<v Speaker 1>it's it's sort of him reckoning with it's the documentary

1358
01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:42.439
<v Speaker 1>pointing the complicated legacy of Predator at him and asking

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01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:44.399
<v Speaker 1>him to reckon with it. Yeah.

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01:12:44.479 --> 01:12:46.079
<v Speaker 2>And I think a word we haven't said yet. That's

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01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:50.159
<v Speaker 2>a big part of this is exploitation. Yes, exactly is

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01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:55.159
<v Speaker 2>this is this exploitation for entertainment? Yeah, and you know,

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01:12:55.439 --> 01:12:57.399
<v Speaker 2>I guess this would be spoilers to talk about, but

1364
01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:01.600
<v Speaker 2>there is an event that happens, something goes south in

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01:13:01.720 --> 01:13:03.600
<v Speaker 2>one of these things, and from the trailer, I think

1366
01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:06.640
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty clear that's going to be the arc of this, right,

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01:13:07.239 --> 01:13:09.680
<v Speaker 2>I recognize it because of the documentary.

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01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Because of the doc. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm so interested

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01:13:14.880 --> 01:13:16.159
<v Speaker 1>in seeing this. I have no idea how the movie

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01:13:16.279 --> 01:13:18.479
<v Speaker 1>is going to turn out. I'm curious how much they

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01:13:19.079 --> 01:13:23.319
<v Speaker 1>they dial up the sort of you know, manufactured drama.

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01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, it definitely looks more stylized than I was imagining, right,

1373
01:13:27.760 --> 01:13:31.079
<v Speaker 2>which I'm fine with. But yeah, it looks like it's

1374
01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:32.439
<v Speaker 2>going for a vibe for sure.

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01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:36.239
<v Speaker 1>Vibe. There you go. But yeah, so this is one

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01:13:36.319 --> 01:13:39.560
<v Speaker 1>of four patentson joints just in this year.

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01:13:39.800 --> 01:13:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, and it sounds like we're both looking forward

1378
01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:42.039
<v Speaker 2>to it.

1379
01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:44.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm open to it. Like I said, it drops

1380
01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:48.119
<v Speaker 1>on my birthday, so quite the quite the present for me.

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01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Well we can. We could go see this and go

1382
01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:53.119
<v Speaker 2>get a cupcake afterwards.

1383
01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:53.760
<v Speaker 1>There you go.

1384
01:13:54.159 --> 01:13:55.600
<v Speaker 2>It' stop buy nothing bunt cakes.

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01:13:57.960 --> 01:13:58.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm ready.

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01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:09.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, hey, we got some headlines extra, what a scoop?

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01:14:10.039 --> 01:14:12.199
<v Speaker 3>So how does this sound?

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01:14:12.920 --> 01:14:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Imagine that you have a movie that is hidden away

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01:14:19.079 --> 01:14:24.159
<v Speaker 1>in a vault and somebody executes a heist of some

1390
01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:28.720
<v Speaker 1>kind to steal that movie. Yes, sounds like the plot

1391
01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:29.640
<v Speaker 1>of a pretty good movie.

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01:14:29.840 --> 01:14:30.199
<v Speaker 2>It does.

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01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:34.039
<v Speaker 1>Starring Nicholas Cage. One might say, well, I'd watch that

1394
01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:39.119
<v Speaker 1>but what if said movie stars Nicholas Cage.

1395
01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:40.199
<v Speaker 2>What.

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01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's the that's the real life scenario we're

1397
01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:49.640
<v Speaker 1>dealing with, is a And of course Netflix is at

1398
01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:51.760
<v Speaker 1>the center of this. So this is This is from

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01:14:51.960 --> 01:14:58.119
<v Speaker 1>from page six, which says that a film that was

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01:14:58.800 --> 01:15:02.640
<v Speaker 1>a stored on a heart drive in Netflix called Fortitude

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01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:07.199
<v Speaker 1>has been lifted because the hard drive has gone missing.

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01:15:08.319 --> 01:15:12.039
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so this is, as I understand it, an independently

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01:15:12.119 --> 01:15:16.399
<v Speaker 2>made movie and they were hoping to get distributors, so

1404
01:15:16.680 --> 01:15:19.279
<v Speaker 2>they gave copies of their movie around town on these

1405
01:15:19.319 --> 01:15:21.600
<v Speaker 2>hard drives, and the hard drive that was left at

1406
01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Netflix went missing and they have no idea where it is.

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01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:28.760
<v Speaker 1>So the movie stars Nicholas Cage. It's a World War

1408
01:15:28.840 --> 01:15:33.000
<v Speaker 1>two drama. And this I'm just reading from the pieces

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01:15:33.039 --> 01:15:37.319
<v Speaker 1>is one indie director was agast at Netflix's alleged sloppiness

1410
01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:44.840
<v Speaker 1>and subsequent response. I think it's such a suspicious situation,

1411
01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:46.880
<v Speaker 1>and for Netflix to claim in an email that it

1412
01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:49.640
<v Speaker 1>was stolen and they don't know how or by whom,

1413
01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:53.359
<v Speaker 1>and there's nothing they can do about it is legitimately scary.

1414
01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:56.640
<v Speaker 1>The director notes, I feel for the Fortitude filmmakers. This

1415
01:15:56.760 --> 01:15:58.199
<v Speaker 1>could tank a big sale for.

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01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Them, right, and they are suing Netflix right for one

1417
01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:03.359
<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty five million dollars.

1418
01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Which I hope they get that because I think that's

1419
01:16:05.920 --> 01:16:08.319
<v Speaker 1>the most money they're liable to make off of this movie.

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01:16:09.760 --> 01:16:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, this could be the payout they weren't expecting. Yeah,

1421
01:16:13.720 --> 01:16:17.159
<v Speaker 2>but uh, maybe they were hoping for. But Netflix has

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01:16:17.239 --> 01:16:20.520
<v Speaker 2>said that that doesn't feel right to them because it

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01:16:20.600 --> 01:16:22.600
<v Speaker 2>looks like instead of trying to work to figure this

1424
01:16:22.680 --> 01:16:25.279
<v Speaker 2>thing out or bring investigators in, it's like immediately they're

1425
01:16:25.920 --> 01:16:28.119
<v Speaker 2>suddenly wind over one hundred million dollars and that doesn't

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01:16:28.119 --> 01:16:30.119
<v Speaker 2>feel like they're working in good faith. So that's that's

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01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Netflix's counter to that.

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01:16:31.880 --> 01:16:33.479
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, of course they're going to say that, but

1429
01:16:33.600 --> 01:16:37.359
<v Speaker 1>they're the ones who who managed this right. Like It's

1430
01:16:37.479 --> 01:16:41.359
<v Speaker 1>it's like if a museum is lent, you know, the

1431
01:16:41.479 --> 01:16:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Mona Lisa, right, and it goes missing, you know, and

1432
01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:49.439
<v Speaker 1>then they're told, hey, pay up, you know, mm hmm,

1433
01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:56.319
<v Speaker 1>well you're not helping us find it. That's not very nice, right, right, right, right, right?

1434
01:16:56.720 --> 01:16:58.319
<v Speaker 2>This is presenting both sides in the story.

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01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:03.399
<v Speaker 1>It's it's, uh, I know, I get it because because

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01:17:03.439 --> 01:17:07.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I doubt they plan for this to happen,

1437
01:17:07.199 --> 01:17:10.920
<v Speaker 1>of course, but I think this this to me, first

1438
01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:12.840
<v Speaker 1>of all, it sounds like the plot of a pretty

1439
01:17:12.880 --> 01:17:14.079
<v Speaker 1>killer Nicholas Cage movie.

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01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:16.920
<v Speaker 2>This needs to be a Nicholas Cage movie about this,

1441
01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:19.399
<v Speaker 2>Like he is Nicholas Cage.

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01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:22.039
<v Speaker 1>Kind of like to that that one from a couple

1443
01:17:22.039 --> 01:17:22.520
<v Speaker 1>of years ago.

1444
01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, bearable weight of being massive talent, massive talent said

1445
01:17:28.720 --> 01:17:33.039
<v Speaker 2>something else. It doesn't matter anyway, but yes, he should

1446
01:17:33.119 --> 01:17:36.560
<v Speaker 2>start as himself where his movie has been stolen from Netflix,

1447
01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:37.640
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, I'll get it back.

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01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, everybody get out of the way. We'll

1449
01:17:40.560 --> 01:17:45.840
<v Speaker 1>figure this out. I I feel like, to me, this

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01:17:46.039 --> 01:17:49.159
<v Speaker 1>just points to the problem when we when you know,

1451
01:17:49.319 --> 01:17:56.000
<v Speaker 1>increasingly the industry has shipped towards this, this streaming centric model. Sure. Uh, now,

1452
01:17:56.079 --> 01:17:57.920
<v Speaker 1>obviously you have a movie on a hard drive that

1453
01:17:57.960 --> 01:18:01.600
<v Speaker 1>could have happened anywhere, but it didn't have to be Netflix.

1454
01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:05.960
<v Speaker 1>But I think Netflix is financially in a position where

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01:18:06.359 --> 01:18:08.920
<v Speaker 1>they like they can, they can lawyer up in a

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01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:11.640
<v Speaker 1>way where you know, I'd be very curious if the

1457
01:18:11.720 --> 01:18:16.439
<v Speaker 1>filmmakers see anything back from this, and and how does

1458
01:18:16.520 --> 01:18:17.439
<v Speaker 1>something like that happen?

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01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:20.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, you think of the links

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01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:24.359
<v Speaker 2>they go through to you know, share a Stranger Things

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01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:27.039
<v Speaker 2>episode with you or something, right, and just that this

1462
01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:32.439
<v Speaker 2>hard drive with this original movie on it just disappeared

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01:18:32.479 --> 01:18:34.119
<v Speaker 2>and they have and this it was it was one

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01:18:34.199 --> 01:18:36.119
<v Speaker 2>of a few, right, it wasn't the only one that.

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01:18:36.199 --> 01:18:37.680
<v Speaker 1>Was I mean that the only copy? Yeah?

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01:18:38.079 --> 01:18:39.960
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, I mean that was stolen? Right, didn't

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01:18:39.960 --> 01:18:41.479
<v Speaker 2>they say there was a bunch of hard drives that

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01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:45.319
<v Speaker 2>went missings? So yeah, I wonder what the story is there?

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01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:49.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean inside job? Did someone swipe it? And now

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01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:52.000
<v Speaker 2>they are holding all these movies ransom? Like, what what

1471
01:18:52.159 --> 01:18:52.840
<v Speaker 2>is the story here?

1472
01:18:53.279 --> 01:18:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Did did Ethan hunt you know, lower down and you

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01:18:57.079 --> 01:18:58.039
<v Speaker 1>know in a clean room?

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01:18:59.159 --> 01:19:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Yes, the guy who was in charge of the

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01:19:01.800 --> 01:19:04.640
<v Speaker 2>drives kept getting up sick and running to the bathroom

1476
01:19:04.680 --> 01:19:05.640
<v Speaker 2>over and over again.

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01:19:07.279 --> 01:19:11.279
<v Speaker 1>And then Netflix shipped him off to Alaska after the You.

1478
01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:13.199
<v Speaker 2>Know what's great, It turns out he found his real

1479
01:19:13.239 --> 01:19:14.079
<v Speaker 2>life up there there you go.

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01:19:14.399 --> 01:19:16.720
<v Speaker 1>It's raising some dogs, lovemanth all of his life. Yeah,

1481
01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:19.479
<v Speaker 1>best thing that ever happened, turns out all because of

1482
01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:23.520
<v Speaker 1>that Nick Cage movie. So we'll see if Netflix has

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01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:27.000
<v Speaker 1>the fortitude that would stand this lawsuit.

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01:19:27.800 --> 01:19:35.439
<v Speaker 2>Back to you Brian, I like that as our new transition.

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01:19:40.119 --> 01:19:43.479
<v Speaker 1>Other news. Now this broke just this morning. Now. Now,

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01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:48.640
<v Speaker 1>the last Jurassic World film, Jurassic World Rebirths from last year.

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01:19:49.159 --> 01:19:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I think, well, my senses, you had a complicated relationship.

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01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:56.960
<v Speaker 2>With that film. I found things to enjoy in it,

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01:19:57.319 --> 01:19:59.520
<v Speaker 2>but overall I didn't love it.

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01:20:01.079 --> 01:20:05.399
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that speaks for the broad right, the

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01:20:06.279 --> 01:20:10.720
<v Speaker 1>mass of the movie going public. Sure, sure, yeah, I

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01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:13.720
<v Speaker 1>mean people showed up. Oh, I mean they always will

1493
01:20:13.800 --> 01:20:14.439
<v Speaker 1>and I will too.

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01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:17.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to stop going to Jurassic Park movies

1495
01:20:17.960 --> 01:20:19.840
<v Speaker 2>because I didn't like the last one, clearly. I mean,

1496
01:20:19.880 --> 01:20:23.279
<v Speaker 2>when this is Jurassic World four, we have three Jurassic Parks.

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01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it made like eight hundred million, like it

1498
01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:29.800
<v Speaker 1>did well? Yeah uh, and it did well enough for

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01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Universal to lock in the actors to have them come back.

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01:20:35.119 --> 01:20:35.279
<v Speaker 2>You know.

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01:20:35.399 --> 01:20:40.279
<v Speaker 1>I think it's this new trio with your Scar Joe

1502
01:20:40.359 --> 01:20:42.760
<v Speaker 1>and your Jonathan Bailey and you're maherschel Ali.

1503
01:20:43.239 --> 01:20:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Which by the way, is great. I liked those three people.

1504
01:20:46.039 --> 01:20:48.159
<v Speaker 2>I wish they had made more compelling characters for them.

1505
01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:49.800
<v Speaker 1>I guess I definitely agree with that.

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01:20:50.359 --> 01:20:53.640
<v Speaker 2>When I think of Jurassic Park, I think of the

1507
01:20:53.760 --> 01:20:56.079
<v Speaker 2>characters as much as I think of the dinosaurs and

1508
01:20:56.159 --> 01:20:58.039
<v Speaker 2>the set pieces, you know, so I just wish they

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01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:00.960
<v Speaker 2>could make that formula work again.

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01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:04.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, so Jurassic Park is sort of like rarefied air.

1511
01:21:05.439 --> 01:21:07.960
<v Speaker 1>I think we've long established on this show that well,

1512
01:21:08.039 --> 01:21:10.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's just nothing, nothing ever touches that, yep.

1513
01:21:12.039 --> 01:21:13.960
<v Speaker 1>And so you know, he sort of, you know, just

1514
01:21:14.039 --> 01:21:16.119
<v Speaker 1>muddle along through the next run. But I mean people

1515
01:21:16.239 --> 01:21:19.960
<v Speaker 1>turn up and they do well. Now, Jurassic World Rebirth,

1516
01:21:20.079 --> 01:21:23.399
<v Speaker 1>originally it was going to be directed by David Leech.

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01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:27.199
<v Speaker 1>I think, oh, that's right, yeah, right, And then he

1518
01:21:27.359 --> 01:21:31.920
<v Speaker 1>dropped out and then Gareth Edwards came in at the

1519
01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:34.640
<v Speaker 1>eleventh hour and carried it across the finish line. And

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01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:42.359
<v Speaker 1>I would say, this is me Gareth Edwards did a

1521
01:21:42.439 --> 01:21:46.079
<v Speaker 1>good job doing what he does, considering how late in

1522
01:21:46.119 --> 01:21:46.840
<v Speaker 1>the game he came.

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01:21:46.720 --> 01:21:50.079
<v Speaker 2>In, I agree. I mean I liked the way it looked.

1524
01:21:50.479 --> 01:21:52.439
<v Speaker 2>I just didn't love the script, I guess.

1525
01:21:52.880 --> 01:21:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And so when they announced the sequel, the plan was, oh,

1526
01:21:57.279 --> 01:21:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Edward's gonna come back, and now he gets to be

1527
01:21:58.880 --> 01:22:02.079
<v Speaker 1>there from the beginning to help develop the story. And

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01:22:02.159 --> 01:22:04.000
<v Speaker 1>that was all well and good until this morning, when

1529
01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:07.560
<v Speaker 1>according to Variety, Gareth Edwards has exited the Dress World

1530
01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:15.039
<v Speaker 1>sequel over wait for it, creative differences. Yeah, I don't

1531
01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:18.119
<v Speaker 1>know what those differences would entail. I think universal is

1532
01:22:18.159 --> 01:22:22.399
<v Speaker 1>probably like we want dinosaurs, and what would he have said?

1533
01:22:22.520 --> 01:22:24.720
<v Speaker 1>I prefer fish, Like what's the.

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01:22:26.640 --> 01:22:29.359
<v Speaker 2>Well Gareth Edwards. Not to over use this expression, but

1535
01:22:29.920 --> 01:22:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Gareth Edwards is a vibe and I mean I do

1536
01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:35.880
<v Speaker 2>feel like that's applicable. Like he really does bring a

1537
01:22:35.920 --> 01:22:41.119
<v Speaker 2>specific aesthetic to everything he does. There's a real earthyness

1538
01:22:41.279 --> 01:22:46.960
<v Speaker 2>to his movies that feature other worldly things whatever. Like

1539
01:22:47.199 --> 01:22:50.840
<v Speaker 2>remember The Creator was his last original movie, which has

1540
01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:56.760
<v Speaker 2>just an incredible aesthetic and world building and designs and

1541
01:22:56.920 --> 01:22:59.399
<v Speaker 2>character designs and everything. But I remember the story feeling

1542
01:22:59.520 --> 01:23:02.760
<v Speaker 2>like I want it so close, like I want it

1543
01:23:03.960 --> 01:23:07.199
<v Speaker 2>to come together to meet how amazing this looks. And

1544
01:23:07.319 --> 01:23:09.520
<v Speaker 2>I feel like that's something that happens to him occasionally.

1545
01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:12.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you look at one also, right, Yeah. Yeah,

1546
01:23:12.279 --> 01:23:16.920
<v Speaker 2>So I can't say I'm super surprised. I feel like

1547
01:23:17.039 --> 01:23:19.840
<v Speaker 2>for him, I still want him to direct movies because again,

1548
01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:23.359
<v Speaker 2>he brings something that he has a voice that's interesting

1549
01:23:23.439 --> 01:23:25.840
<v Speaker 2>that other people don't have. But he might need to

1550
01:23:25.880 --> 01:23:27.560
<v Speaker 2>be paired with a strong screenwriter.

1551
01:23:28.960 --> 01:23:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Sure, and Universal was like, we're not giving you a

1552
01:23:32.039 --> 01:23:32.840
<v Speaker 1>strong screenwriter.

1553
01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:35.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and maybe he wanted to do his own thing.

1554
01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:36.079
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1555
01:23:36.199 --> 01:23:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, well, I think in all seriousness, I mean, David Kep,

1556
01:23:39.600 --> 01:23:41.560
<v Speaker 1>who wrote the last one, he's coming back, and so

1557
01:23:41.720 --> 01:23:45.479
<v Speaker 1>I think that sort of establishes the pecking order. Yeah, right,

1558
01:23:46.159 --> 01:23:49.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, because because Edwards was brought in to direct

1559
01:23:49.600 --> 01:23:53.680
<v Speaker 1>the script David Kep wrote. And so you've essentially got

1560
01:23:53.720 --> 01:23:57.880
<v Speaker 1>a situation where you've got Steven Spielberg at the top

1561
01:23:57.920 --> 01:23:59.000
<v Speaker 1>of the pyramid.

1562
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:02.359
<v Speaker 2>Who just directed a movie written by David Kepp.

1563
01:24:03.279 --> 01:24:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly right, and then David Kepp in the lower tier,

1564
01:24:07.039 --> 01:24:11.880
<v Speaker 1>and then the director comes in and shoots what Spielberg

1565
01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:16.239
<v Speaker 1>and Kep have agreed on. Right, that's my guess of

1566
01:24:16.399 --> 01:24:21.600
<v Speaker 1>how this all went down, right, And so I think

1567
01:24:21.680 --> 01:24:24.760
<v Speaker 1>in a way this is helpful because it tells it

1568
01:24:24.920 --> 01:24:29.880
<v Speaker 1>tells you, well, it tells future whatever director they end

1569
01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:31.239
<v Speaker 1>up with, what they can expect.

1570
01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:34.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's why you get a Trevarro, right, someone

1571
01:24:34.600 --> 01:24:38.479
<v Speaker 2>who popped in a smaller film. You know, he's got

1572
01:24:38.640 --> 01:24:41.920
<v Speaker 2>he brings some interesting things, and he's mouldable. Edwards might

1573
01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:44.399
<v Speaker 2>be a little further along than that, right.

1574
01:24:44.479 --> 01:24:47.640
<v Speaker 1>And that's a great point. Now, this is this is

1575
01:24:47.720 --> 01:24:51.079
<v Speaker 1>from the Variety article. It says, although the property remains popular,

1576
01:24:51.199 --> 01:24:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Jurassic is experiencing some diminishing returns at the box office.

1577
01:24:55.239 --> 01:24:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Universal's original Jurssic Park spinoff trilogy, anchored by Chris Pratt

1578
01:24:58.600 --> 01:25:01.159
<v Speaker 1>and Brycetius Howard, launched with twenty four teens Dress World,

1579
01:25:01.279 --> 01:25:03.720
<v Speaker 1>concluded with twenty twenty two's Dress World Dominion, all of

1580
01:25:03.800 --> 01:25:07.319
<v Speaker 1>which eclipsed one billion in global ticket sales. These movies

1581
01:25:07.359 --> 01:25:10.760
<v Speaker 1>are enormously expensive, with production budgets that regularly soar above

1582
01:25:10.800 --> 01:25:15.680
<v Speaker 1>two hundred and fifty million dollars. Now, I mean, yes,

1583
01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:18.720
<v Speaker 1>there was a drop off from Dominion to this one,

1584
01:25:18.760 --> 01:25:21.399
<v Speaker 1>but like, I know, nobody should be panicking over it.

1585
01:25:22.600 --> 01:25:24.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, people still show up.

1586
01:25:24.560 --> 01:25:27.479
<v Speaker 1>But I think fundamentally the problem that the last movie

1587
01:25:27.560 --> 01:25:35.159
<v Speaker 1>did not lick is what what makes this new presumably

1588
01:25:35.399 --> 01:25:39.399
<v Speaker 1>trilogy worth doing? Like, what is it about it?

1589
01:25:39.560 --> 01:25:42.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, that's a great point because I don't even

1590
01:25:43.039 --> 01:25:44.399
<v Speaker 2>remember what the store.

1591
01:25:44.279 --> 01:25:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Is, right, I mean, it's it's.

1592
01:25:48.600 --> 01:25:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, goddamn, what I mean, Jurassic World. Say what you

1593
01:25:51.159 --> 01:25:54.199
<v Speaker 2>want if you like it or not it's the park opened. Yeah,

1594
01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:57.600
<v Speaker 2>and I even felt like Chris Pratt's character wasn't quite

1595
01:25:57.640 --> 01:26:00.239
<v Speaker 2>where I wanted him to be, but I remember him. Yeah,

1596
01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:02.840
<v Speaker 2>I remember Bryce Dallas Howard. I remember their roles. I

1597
01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:05.239
<v Speaker 2>remember their types at least, and the way they bounced

1598
01:26:05.279 --> 01:26:08.000
<v Speaker 2>off of one another. So you know that was a

1599
01:26:08.079 --> 01:26:09.680
<v Speaker 2>takee take hold on.

1600
01:26:09.960 --> 01:26:12.279
<v Speaker 1>So I I last saw it last summer.

1601
01:26:12.760 --> 01:26:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, do you need to take like a little pocket

1602
01:26:16.880 --> 01:26:18.640
<v Speaker 2>watch and hypnotize you and bring it out.

1603
01:26:19.159 --> 01:26:22.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean I'm trying to. I'm like, what was it? Okay, No, no, no, okay,

1604
01:26:23.960 --> 01:26:25.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, why did they because it's not it's not

1605
01:26:25.960 --> 01:26:28.479
<v Speaker 1>either of the previous islands, right, it's like a new place.

1606
01:26:29.159 --> 01:26:29.479
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

1607
01:26:29.960 --> 01:26:32.199
<v Speaker 1>The dinosaurs are dying. They're all over the world, but

1608
01:26:32.239 --> 01:26:32.960
<v Speaker 1>they're dying.

1609
01:26:33.399 --> 01:26:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh right, because you see the one by a freeway

1610
01:26:36.399 --> 01:26:37.680
<v Speaker 2>that's right keeled over.

1611
01:26:37.800 --> 01:26:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they're only thriving in certain like equatorial areas.

1612
01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:43.159
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and.

1613
01:26:45.079 --> 01:26:48.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh that right, it's Remember it's that guy who's like

1614
01:26:48.159 --> 01:26:53.199
<v Speaker 1>kind of like like Julian McMahon light and he's like,

1615
01:26:53.359 --> 01:26:56.479
<v Speaker 1>we want to get like DNA from these dinosaurs to

1616
01:26:56.640 --> 01:27:01.960
<v Speaker 1>help us make medicine. Remember, mmmm, Yes, right. So Jonathan

1617
01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:05.319
<v Speaker 1>Bailey is like the they go to him because he

1618
01:27:05.439 --> 01:27:07.760
<v Speaker 1>knows which ones to get or something like that.

1619
01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's coming back, right.

1620
01:27:10.920 --> 01:27:12.640
<v Speaker 1>And and then and then they go to the island

1621
01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:15.520
<v Speaker 1>and and uh, yeah, there's the family. This is hilarious,

1622
01:27:15.560 --> 01:27:17.560
<v Speaker 1>this is It wasn't that long ago. I know, I

1623
01:27:17.680 --> 01:27:20.439
<v Speaker 1>know there's a family that washes up on on the

1624
01:27:20.720 --> 01:27:24.399
<v Speaker 1>same island, right, I remember that there, right, And and

1625
01:27:24.840 --> 01:27:28.239
<v Speaker 1>there's the big the big headed the t rex with

1626
01:27:28.359 --> 01:27:30.039
<v Speaker 1>the with the gigantism.

1627
01:27:30.359 --> 01:27:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, the dumb dumbsaurus.

1628
01:27:32.520 --> 01:27:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly. And then Marshall Ali. We think he dies,

1629
01:27:36.880 --> 01:27:38.520
<v Speaker 1>but he doesn't. That's that's all I remember.

1630
01:27:40.079 --> 01:27:45.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I yes, that family, right, They their boat capsized

1631
01:27:45.159 --> 01:27:47.159
<v Speaker 2>or something, right, and then they washed up on the

1632
01:27:47.199 --> 01:27:50.520
<v Speaker 2>island and they just get kind of shoehorned into the adventure,

1633
01:27:50.600 --> 01:27:52.039
<v Speaker 2>even though I did kind of enjoy that because I

1634
01:27:52.119 --> 01:27:54.560
<v Speaker 2>like seeing real people dealing with dinosaurs.

1635
01:27:55.239 --> 01:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>See. And I want to be clear, I remember not

1636
01:27:57.159 --> 01:28:00.760
<v Speaker 1>minding the movie. I thought it was all right, but

1637
01:28:01.119 --> 01:28:02.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember much about.

1638
01:28:02.279 --> 01:28:07.119
<v Speaker 2>It, yeah, or just the character types just weren't as

1639
01:28:07.520 --> 01:28:08.640
<v Speaker 2>distinctive as I would.

1640
01:28:09.800 --> 01:28:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, look, here's the thing, this is, this is the

1641
01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:17.840
<v Speaker 1>unfortunate realities. We're just never gonna get Grant Sadler and

1642
01:28:17.960 --> 01:28:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Malcolm again. Yeah, and and it you know, and and

1643
01:28:23.039 --> 01:28:25.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm actually very curious in all seriousness. I mean, this

1644
01:28:25.359 --> 01:28:27.159
<v Speaker 1>is a franchise that's more than thirty years old at

1645
01:28:27.199 --> 01:28:29.960
<v Speaker 1>this point. How do modern audiences plug in it? Like, like,

1646
01:28:30.399 --> 01:28:34.119
<v Speaker 1>like kids, I don't know, yeah, Like, I mean, it's

1647
01:28:34.560 --> 01:28:37.560
<v Speaker 1>like the movies do well. Obviously they would they wouldn't

1648
01:28:37.600 --> 01:28:39.319
<v Speaker 1>keep going. And and I think they can all be

1649
01:28:39.399 --> 01:28:42.720
<v Speaker 1>expected to do reasonably well because they are a multi

1650
01:28:42.840 --> 01:28:44.560
<v Speaker 1>generational theatrical experience.

1651
01:28:44.640 --> 01:28:44.760
<v Speaker 2>Right.

1652
01:28:45.800 --> 01:28:48.800
<v Speaker 1>But you know how like we talk about Star Wars

1653
01:28:48.880 --> 01:28:51.319
<v Speaker 1>prequel kids, they're like, well, that's their Star Wars, right.

1654
01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:53.720
<v Speaker 1>Is there something similar with Jurassic World?

1655
01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

1656
01:28:54.840 --> 01:28:57.279
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea, Like, oh, when that's my guy?

1657
01:28:57.399 --> 01:29:00.600
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? Right, I have no idea.

1658
01:29:02.920 --> 01:29:05.319
<v Speaker 2>Well, and I'm curious how the End of Oak Street

1659
01:29:05.520 --> 01:29:08.439
<v Speaker 2>is going to do because regardless of what that's about,

1660
01:29:08.600 --> 01:29:12.640
<v Speaker 2>it's a dinosaur movie. So will people show up for

1661
01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:15.600
<v Speaker 2>a dinosaur movie or is there something to the name

1662
01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Jurassic Park? Interesting?

1663
01:29:19.439 --> 01:29:25.359
<v Speaker 1>Curious, very curious. Yeah, Well, anyway, the film itself, I

1664
01:29:25.439 --> 01:29:28.720
<v Speaker 1>mean it's supposed to come out next year, I think, wow, okay,

1665
01:29:29.760 --> 01:29:33.199
<v Speaker 1>next year or no pressure. Actually actually wait last year. No,

1666
01:29:33.319 --> 01:29:35.119
<v Speaker 1>probably twenty twenty eight. I'm guessing if they don't even

1667
01:29:35.159 --> 01:29:38.680
<v Speaker 1>have a director. Yeah, I'm sure they'll do well, though,

1668
01:29:38.840 --> 01:29:41.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm sure, but I will say I was

1669
01:29:43.119 --> 01:29:47.119
<v Speaker 1>looking forward to Garrett Edwards getting to come up with

1670
01:29:47.199 --> 01:29:48.760
<v Speaker 1>an idea or be involved with the idea from the

1671
01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:51.720
<v Speaker 1>ground up. So it is kind of kind of bumming.

1672
01:29:52.479 --> 01:29:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I want to see someone who has a take.

1673
01:29:56.319 --> 01:30:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Who has a take? Yeah, maybe it's Brian Hall, maybe

1674
01:30:00.640 --> 01:30:03.119
<v Speaker 1>Techi's on Universal call Us.

1675
01:30:03.319 --> 01:30:05.399
<v Speaker 2>Hey, we should we should be like the Coen Brothers.

1676
01:30:05.399 --> 01:30:06.119
<v Speaker 2>We should team up?

1677
01:30:06.640 --> 01:30:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Why not? Yeah? Why not? We can we can be

1678
01:30:09.760 --> 01:30:13.880
<v Speaker 1>like the Daniels, Yeah, exactly, or the Russo's.

1679
01:30:14.079 --> 01:30:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we got this.

1680
01:30:17.399 --> 01:30:21.279
<v Speaker 1>And the Watchhouse Keys. That's right, speaking of the Watchhousekis.

1681
01:30:21.279 --> 01:30:23.600
<v Speaker 1>By the way, I just saw that Warner Brothers has

1682
01:30:23.680 --> 01:30:28.479
<v Speaker 1>a Matrix five on the calendar for for I think

1683
01:30:28.520 --> 01:30:29.399
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty seven.

1684
01:30:29.560 --> 01:30:31.479
<v Speaker 2>I saw that because it's been discussed for a while

1685
01:30:31.560 --> 01:30:33.880
<v Speaker 2>that they're developing it, but now it's it's happening.

1686
01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Huh yeah, well it's it's uh, you know the guy

1687
01:30:39.760 --> 01:30:41.760
<v Speaker 1>he wrote Hill Mary what's his name?

1688
01:30:42.399 --> 01:30:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh Goddard, Yeah, Drew Goddard. He's he's doing it. Very cool,

1689
01:30:47.960 --> 01:30:50.880
<v Speaker 2>very curious. I mean, where do you take the story?

1690
01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:53.640
<v Speaker 2>Does it involve Kean Reeves and Carrion Moss?

1691
01:30:53.760 --> 01:30:57.439
<v Speaker 1>And I mean certainly the fourth film was intended, at

1692
01:30:57.520 --> 01:31:01.119
<v Speaker 1>least by by Lana Wachowski as a statement on how

1693
01:31:01.199 --> 01:31:02.760
<v Speaker 1>they feel about continuing.

1694
01:31:03.159 --> 01:31:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, So is this a continuation or is this

1695
01:31:06.239 --> 01:31:09.560
<v Speaker 2>meanwhile on another side of the of Zion? You know

1696
01:31:10.279 --> 01:31:15.279
<v Speaker 2>that's right? Yeah, very curious about that. Yeah, same, But.

1697
01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Why why are they making these movies? Because sequels make money?

1698
01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>How do we know this? Because Spider Man Brand New

1699
01:31:20.880 --> 01:31:25.159
<v Speaker 1>Day has made all the money. If there is money

1700
01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:28.039
<v Speaker 1>to be made, Spider Man has made it, right, I mean,

1701
01:31:28.119 --> 01:31:31.359
<v Speaker 1>he's broken every record with this movie, it seems. Well.

1702
01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:37.279
<v Speaker 1>So the first week of Spider Man Brand New Day

1703
01:31:37.399 --> 01:31:39.880
<v Speaker 1>is the biggest in box office history.

1704
01:31:40.279 --> 01:31:42.159
<v Speaker 2>Amazing, It's ridiculous.

1705
01:31:42.359 --> 01:31:46.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I'm looking at a Hollywood reporter here, high

1706
01:31:46.279 --> 01:31:49.840
<v Speaker 1>scoresing first weekend domestic box office history five hundred million

1707
01:31:49.840 --> 01:31:53.520
<v Speaker 1>dollars in North America. And it's for seven days and

1708
01:31:54.439 --> 01:31:59.319
<v Speaker 1>heading into weekend two, even if it drops by sixty percent,

1709
01:31:59.439 --> 01:32:02.279
<v Speaker 1>which is possible, it would still end up with something

1710
01:32:02.319 --> 01:32:05.000
<v Speaker 1>like one hundred and fifty million dollars for its second weekend,

1711
01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:09.159
<v Speaker 1>unbelievable domestically, when you factor in international, it was I

1712
01:32:09.199 --> 01:32:12.800
<v Speaker 1>think just under a billion dollars. So I mean it

1713
01:32:13.000 --> 01:32:15.119
<v Speaker 1>literally made Avengers Endgame money.

1714
01:32:15.560 --> 01:32:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I will say.

1715
01:32:19.359 --> 01:32:22.199
<v Speaker 1>I was surprised by that. Not that I didn't expect

1716
01:32:22.239 --> 01:32:24.319
<v Speaker 1>it to be a hit. I assumed it would do well.

1717
01:32:24.439 --> 01:32:28.039
<v Speaker 1>But when you say Avengers Endgame money, there's a lot

1718
01:32:28.079 --> 01:32:28.399
<v Speaker 1>of money.

1719
01:32:28.840 --> 01:32:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean I would even expect it to do

1720
01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:34.720
<v Speaker 2>extraordinarily well because Spider Man always does well. But yes,

1721
01:32:34.920 --> 01:32:38.840
<v Speaker 2>like rivaling the one of the highest grossing movies of

1722
01:32:38.880 --> 01:32:42.439
<v Speaker 2>all time right out of the gate is crazy.

1723
01:32:42.680 --> 01:32:46.359
<v Speaker 1>Right, I mean an endgame arrived as the culmination of

1724
01:32:46.600 --> 01:32:50.039
<v Speaker 1>ten years or eleven years. And you know, however, many

1725
01:32:50.119 --> 01:32:54.359
<v Speaker 1>movies of anticipation, a year of build up after Infinity War, right, Yeah,

1726
01:32:55.640 --> 01:32:58.439
<v Speaker 1>Brand New Day did not have all of that, and

1727
01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:03.039
<v Speaker 1>yet it, you know it, it did better than Spider

1728
01:33:03.079 --> 01:33:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Man No Way Home. That's amazing. I mean, I'm like,

1729
01:33:07.159 --> 01:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm genuinely fascinated by this because I mean, there have

1730
01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:15.279
<v Speaker 1>been Spider Man movies for twenty four years now and

1731
01:33:15.399 --> 01:33:18.079
<v Speaker 1>as you said, I mean they all, even the bad ones,

1732
01:33:18.119 --> 01:33:22.239
<v Speaker 1>have done reasonably well. So what do we attribute this to?

1733
01:33:24.960 --> 01:33:27.000
<v Speaker 2>People love Spider Man. I know it sounds simple, but

1734
01:33:27.119 --> 01:33:29.680
<v Speaker 2>I actually my parents when a big movie comes out,

1735
01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:33.640
<v Speaker 2>they usually wait at least a week two, maybe even

1736
01:33:33.640 --> 01:33:35.920
<v Speaker 2>three because they want to avoid crowds. But my parents went,

1737
01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:38.439
<v Speaker 2>they've already seen Spider Man. Really they want to see

1738
01:33:38.479 --> 01:33:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Spider Man like, that's to me, that's what that's what

1739
01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:42.920
<v Speaker 2>it's about this character.

1740
01:33:43.520 --> 01:33:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, I know our listeners are waiting for a pops

1741
01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:49.439
<v Speaker 1>haul review. Oh I have it, let's hear it. Brother.

1742
01:33:50.039 --> 01:33:51.800
<v Speaker 2>I talked to him on the phone yesterday. He said

1743
01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:55.880
<v Speaker 2>trippy but very good. And by trippy he means all

1744
01:33:55.920 --> 01:33:59.039
<v Speaker 2>the you know her. Oh, I don't want to say who,

1745
01:33:59.079 --> 01:34:03.199
<v Speaker 2>but I said, we're not talking spoilers, right, but the

1746
01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:07.479
<v Speaker 2>consciousness is hopping people. It was like trippy but very good,

1747
01:34:07.720 --> 01:34:10.600
<v Speaker 2>lots of great action, entertaining. I already look forward to

1748
01:34:10.640 --> 01:34:11.359
<v Speaker 2>seeing the sequel.

1749
01:34:11.760 --> 01:34:12.159
<v Speaker 1>Look at that.

1750
01:34:12.720 --> 01:34:13.880
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, big big hit.

1751
01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:18.840
<v Speaker 1>I should say. You know at this point is is

1752
01:34:18.960 --> 01:34:24.640
<v Speaker 1>it can still considered a spoiler about that character? Yeah?

1753
01:34:25.520 --> 01:34:27.399
<v Speaker 1>Because because it's out there in front of God and

1754
01:34:27.439 --> 01:34:28.319
<v Speaker 1>everybody at this point.

1755
01:34:30.399 --> 01:34:32.680
<v Speaker 2>All right, all right, hey, so fair warning. We'll at

1756
01:34:32.760 --> 01:34:35.159
<v Speaker 2>least say that if people, I mean, we're we're toward

1757
01:34:35.199 --> 01:34:36.640
<v Speaker 2>the end of our episode here, and if you just

1758
01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:39.159
<v Speaker 2>haven't been able to make it out yet and you

1759
01:34:39.239 --> 01:34:42.359
<v Speaker 2>want to pause and wait for the rest of this conversation, well, oh, you'll.

1760
01:34:42.239 --> 01:34:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Say this and I'll step around there. There was speculation,

1761
01:34:47.079 --> 01:34:49.880
<v Speaker 1>rampant speculation about who Sadie Sync plays, and and you know,

1762
01:34:50.680 --> 01:34:52.479
<v Speaker 1>my wife she had she had not seen the movie,

1763
01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:55.199
<v Speaker 1>and I was actually trying to protect that secret from her,

1764
01:34:55.359 --> 01:34:58.640
<v Speaker 1>you know. And and of course you get on YouTube

1765
01:34:58.640 --> 01:35:01.279
<v Speaker 1>and my algo is all just like you know, the

1766
01:35:01.399 --> 01:35:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Easter Egg videos and whatnot, and it's like Sadie sinc

1767
01:35:04.920 --> 01:35:08.159
<v Speaker 1>talks about her her surprise character or whatever. And I'm

1768
01:35:08.199 --> 01:35:10.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna was like, what what's the surprise character? And I'm like,

1769
01:35:11.039 --> 01:35:12.840
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like trying to avoid her seeing all the

1770
01:35:13.039 --> 01:35:16.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, anything relating to mutants or whatnot, and and

1771
01:35:17.079 --> 01:35:20.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I was like, well, I mean, you know,

1772
01:35:20.840 --> 01:35:25.479
<v Speaker 1>it's all like this multiverse stuff, and and I mean, look, well,

1773
01:35:26.000 --> 01:35:28.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to ruin it for you, but like, what,

1774
01:35:29.119 --> 01:35:32.800
<v Speaker 1>what's a Spider Man character who's famous for red hair,

1775
01:35:33.560 --> 01:35:36.800
<v Speaker 1>and she goes, Mary Jane. I'm like, I'm not saying anything,

1776
01:35:39.640 --> 01:35:42.239
<v Speaker 1>and so she was totally thinking of something different, so

1777
01:35:42.359 --> 01:35:44.039
<v Speaker 1>that that could actually be a surprise.

1778
01:35:45.000 --> 01:35:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what's kind of interesting about that actually,

1779
01:35:46.840 --> 01:35:48.680
<v Speaker 2>now that I'm thinking about it. Just this morning, I

1780
01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:50.600
<v Speaker 2>was talking to a good friend who hasn't seen it yet.

1781
01:35:50.600 --> 01:35:52.520
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna try to see it this weekend. So I

1782
01:35:52.600 --> 01:35:54.479
<v Speaker 2>know sometimes it can be tough, you know, getting out

1783
01:35:54.479 --> 01:35:59.279
<v Speaker 2>there right away, but there is somewhat of a reveal

1784
01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:01.880
<v Speaker 2>in the middle. And it was fascinating because I saw

1785
01:36:01.920 --> 01:36:04.520
<v Speaker 2>the movie by myself first so we could talk about it.

1786
01:36:05.399 --> 01:36:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Then I went with two friends that Saturday, and it

1787
01:36:09.239 --> 01:36:12.319
<v Speaker 2>was interesting because my theater was into it, but I

1788
01:36:12.399 --> 01:36:15.159
<v Speaker 2>could sense that my friends were getting a little frustrated.

1789
01:36:15.680 --> 01:36:15.800
<v Speaker 3>HM.

1790
01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:18.359
<v Speaker 2>One of my friends, when Florence.

1791
01:36:18.079 --> 01:36:20.479
<v Speaker 1>Pugh appeared, was like, who's that interesting?

1792
01:36:20.560 --> 01:36:23.439
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, well, that's uh oh. She goes,

1793
01:36:23.439 --> 01:36:25.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm black Widow. She's like, that's girl Johnson's black Widow.

1794
01:36:25.680 --> 01:36:29.279
<v Speaker 2>I was like, well, that's her her sister, and she's like, oh, okay, okay,

1795
01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:33.359
<v Speaker 2>And then I could send some frustration like oh, I

1796
01:36:33.399 --> 01:36:38.319
<v Speaker 2>guess I haven't done my homework and when the reveal happened,

1797
01:36:39.439 --> 01:36:44.239
<v Speaker 2>our theater went oh, and then someone even yelled I

1798
01:36:44.359 --> 01:36:47.399
<v Speaker 2>knew it. And it's funny because my other friend went,

1799
01:36:47.520 --> 01:36:49.680
<v Speaker 2>he leaned into me, and he goes, now, what, how

1800
01:36:49.720 --> 01:36:54.560
<v Speaker 2>could he know? So I was sensing like, okay, but

1801
01:36:55.640 --> 01:36:58.439
<v Speaker 2>with that in mind, because I think these friends are

1802
01:36:59.319 --> 01:37:02.239
<v Speaker 2>relatively plugged in, but felt like they were missing something

1803
01:37:02.560 --> 01:37:04.600
<v Speaker 2>and that that meant that they weren't enjoying the movie

1804
01:37:04.800 --> 01:37:08.079
<v Speaker 2>fully or as much as you know, the filmmakers thought

1805
01:37:08.119 --> 01:37:10.199
<v Speaker 2>they should. But it was interesting because then I talked

1806
01:37:10.199 --> 01:37:13.119
<v Speaker 2>to my dad and I said, did it bother you?

1807
01:37:13.640 --> 01:37:16.159
<v Speaker 2>I explained who that character was, and then I asked,

1808
01:37:16.239 --> 01:37:18.399
<v Speaker 2>did it bother you that you didn't know that watching it?

1809
01:37:18.800 --> 01:37:20.359
<v Speaker 2>And he goes, no, He's like, because I was just

1810
01:37:20.439 --> 01:37:23.680
<v Speaker 2>following the movie as it presented everything, like why would it? Yeah,

1811
01:37:23.800 --> 01:37:26.960
<v Speaker 2>so I think the movie does do a good job

1812
01:37:27.039 --> 01:37:31.039
<v Speaker 2>of allowing that. However, if you are in a very

1813
01:37:31.119 --> 01:37:34.800
<v Speaker 2>reactive audience and it feels like everyone's getting something except you,

1814
01:37:35.399 --> 01:37:38.119
<v Speaker 2>I understood why my friends were feeling a little frustrated.

1815
01:37:38.560 --> 01:37:39.479
<v Speaker 1>That's fascinating.

1816
01:37:39.600 --> 01:37:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1817
01:37:40.760 --> 01:37:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, anyway, I mean the amount of money this thing

1818
01:37:43.800 --> 01:37:47.479
<v Speaker 1>has made, I mean, Sony is ecstatic. I'm sure. Yeah,

1819
01:37:49.239 --> 01:37:51.159
<v Speaker 1>Tom Holland I said this last time, he's got these

1820
01:37:51.159 --> 01:37:55.159
<v Speaker 1>guys over a barrel. Definitely right, because when you think

1821
01:37:55.199 --> 01:37:58.039
<v Speaker 1>about it, him and his wife can decide to nope

1822
01:37:58.079 --> 01:38:02.800
<v Speaker 1>out and then what do you do? Yeah right, yeah,

1823
01:38:04.399 --> 01:38:06.439
<v Speaker 1>but I mean they can do like good cop, bad cop,

1824
01:38:06.520 --> 01:38:08.680
<v Speaker 1>but it comes to negotiating, you know, No, that's true.

1825
01:38:08.800 --> 01:38:10.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's two of them.

1826
01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:14.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, yeah, but I I you know the

1827
01:38:14.520 --> 01:38:17.840
<v Speaker 1>current arrangement between Sony and Marvel that this is interesting

1828
01:38:18.319 --> 01:38:20.560
<v Speaker 1>is right now. It's on a movie by movie basis,

1829
01:38:22.119 --> 01:38:26.199
<v Speaker 1>and the way it works is Sony pays seventy five

1830
01:38:26.239 --> 01:38:30.159
<v Speaker 1>percent of the cost, Disney pays twenty five percent, and

1831
01:38:30.279 --> 01:38:34.560
<v Speaker 1>they split the proceeds accordingly, so seventy five to twenty five.

1832
01:38:35.079 --> 01:38:38.119
<v Speaker 1>And normally you'd be like, well, don't rock the boat,

1833
01:38:38.800 --> 01:38:41.760
<v Speaker 1>like what if it If it works, don't piss on

1834
01:38:41.840 --> 01:38:44.560
<v Speaker 1>it to make it better. Right, However, we know how

1835
01:38:44.600 --> 01:38:47.039
<v Speaker 1>studios work, and can't you just imagine somebody in Sony

1836
01:38:47.119 --> 01:38:49.680
<v Speaker 1>being like, well, I don't know, why don't we just

1837
01:38:50.359 --> 01:38:52.119
<v Speaker 1>keep that additional twenty five percent?

1838
01:38:52.560 --> 01:38:57.159
<v Speaker 2>Totally there's always that person that ruins everything, right, Like you.

1839
01:38:57.279 --> 01:38:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Just know there's one of those guys. So I actually

1840
01:38:59.800 --> 01:39:03.319
<v Speaker 1>think Tom Holland is the glue here keeping Spider Man

1841
01:39:03.399 --> 01:39:07.079
<v Speaker 1>in the MCU. Yeah, that's a good point, because I

1842
01:39:07.119 --> 01:39:09.319
<v Speaker 1>think he has the ability to be like, well, I'm

1843
01:39:09.359 --> 01:39:10.800
<v Speaker 1>not going to do it then, because he's on a

1844
01:39:10.840 --> 01:39:15.880
<v Speaker 1>movie by movie basis, And so my feeling is, as

1845
01:39:15.960 --> 01:39:21.239
<v Speaker 1>long as Tom Holland is playing Peter Parker, Spidery remains

1846
01:39:21.319 --> 01:39:22.560
<v Speaker 1>part of the MCU. Yeah.

1847
01:39:22.600 --> 01:39:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, and I mean, take a look, you know what

1848
01:39:26.880 --> 01:39:30.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean. It was once Marvel got involved. Yeah, that's

1849
01:39:30.359 --> 01:39:33.119
<v Speaker 2>when this all started blowing up, you know what I mean.

1850
01:39:33.399 --> 01:39:36.199
<v Speaker 2>And the Spider Man Universe movies that they were not

1851
01:39:36.279 --> 01:39:38.560
<v Speaker 2>involved in, they've just shut those down.

1852
01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:39.199
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

1853
01:39:39.319 --> 01:39:41.199
<v Speaker 2>They said they have no plans for any more of them. So,

1854
01:39:42.239 --> 01:39:45.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm maybe mixed results some of the venoms,

1855
01:39:45.399 --> 01:39:46.960
<v Speaker 2>at least for me from my point of view, or

1856
01:39:46.960 --> 01:39:49.720
<v Speaker 2>at least somewhat amusing. But I never really loved them.

1857
01:39:50.520 --> 01:39:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think you speak for the masses. I'm just

1858
01:39:52.840 --> 01:39:56.880
<v Speaker 1>saying I don't know anybody who's putting those things on

1859
01:39:56.960 --> 01:39:58.079
<v Speaker 1>their mantle, you know what I mean.

1860
01:39:58.399 --> 01:40:02.199
<v Speaker 2>I had a better time telling the plot of those

1861
01:40:02.319 --> 01:40:04.720
<v Speaker 2>movies to other people than I did actually watching them.

1862
01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:12.279
<v Speaker 2>But but yeah, I mean, hello, like Marvel is the

1863
01:40:12.359 --> 01:40:13.159
<v Speaker 2>secret sauce here?

1864
01:40:13.680 --> 01:40:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you can.

1865
01:40:14.800 --> 01:40:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Imagine Gollum getting the ring in his hand and being like,

1866
01:40:17.199 --> 01:40:20.479
<v Speaker 2>that's all mine. That's before they fall into the volcano.

1867
01:40:20.960 --> 01:40:22.720
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing. I mean. You know, this is a

1868
01:40:22.800 --> 01:40:25.640
<v Speaker 1>situation where where Amy Pascal, who's in charge of Spider

1869
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<v Speaker 1>Man movies, and Kevin Faige have to land on the

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<v Speaker 1>same page, you know, and I would imagine that is challenging. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>I bet I think that this movie's success has to

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01:40:40.800 --> 01:40:46.199
<v Speaker 1>have Marvel feeling really good about Avengers Doomsday though. Oh yeah, yeah, right,

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01:40:46.319 --> 01:40:50.840
<v Speaker 1>because because the issue for a little while has been

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01:40:51.279 --> 01:40:53.520
<v Speaker 1>oh there's a new Marvel what was the last one?

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01:40:53.640 --> 01:40:56.840
<v Speaker 1>And you know, like because people have really checked out, right, well,

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01:40:56.960 --> 01:41:01.319
<v Speaker 1>I think Spider Man has got people really excited to

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01:41:01.479 --> 01:41:05.039
<v Speaker 1>dip back in. So I actually think, I actually think

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01:41:05.159 --> 01:41:09.479
<v Speaker 1>putting Florence Pew in here was kind of brilliant m

1879
01:41:10.479 --> 01:41:12.319
<v Speaker 1>because yeah, there's gonna be a lot of folks who

1880
01:41:12.319 --> 01:41:15.680
<v Speaker 1>are like, who is that? But now they'll be enticed

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01:41:15.720 --> 01:41:18.079
<v Speaker 1>to check out Thunderbolts, right.

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01:41:18.399 --> 01:41:22.439
<v Speaker 2>Right, they can dip back sort of the more ideal

1883
01:41:22.560 --> 01:41:24.680
<v Speaker 2>version of what you were talking about where if some

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01:41:24.840 --> 01:41:26.800
<v Speaker 2>little kid sees this Spider Man movie and it's like,

1885
01:41:26.840 --> 01:41:28.720
<v Speaker 2>I want to watch more of The Punisher and then

1886
01:41:28.800 --> 01:41:32.039
<v Speaker 2>they watched that one off, very R rated thing that

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01:41:32.119 --> 01:41:35.359
<v Speaker 2>dropped on Disney Plus recently. Yep, but yeah, I know

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01:41:35.399 --> 01:41:38.159
<v Speaker 2>you're right. I mean it'll maybe make people check out Thunderbolts.

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<v Speaker 2>And she mentions that she's an Avenger in Spider Man,

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01:41:42.159 --> 01:41:45.520
<v Speaker 2>so huh, like, yeah, it's it's pushing everything forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I think what we're going to see right

1892
01:41:49.319 --> 01:41:53.800
<v Speaker 1>now is what do we got like four months before Doomsday? Right,

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01:41:55.319 --> 01:41:58.520
<v Speaker 1>You're going to see a whole bunch of people deciding

1894
01:41:58.600 --> 01:41:59.319
<v Speaker 1>to get caught up?

1895
01:41:59.720 --> 01:42:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, right, And so I think it's.

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01:42:02.720 --> 01:42:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Gonna end up being something very similar to what we

1897
01:42:04.720 --> 01:42:07.720
<v Speaker 1>saw in the lead up to in the immediate aftermath

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01:42:07.840 --> 01:42:11.199
<v Speaker 1>of the first Avengers film, which at that time all

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01:42:11.199 --> 01:42:13.880
<v Speaker 1>you had was Phase one before that, and there were

1900
01:42:13.880 --> 01:42:16.000
<v Speaker 1>plenty of folks who didn't watch thor didn't watch Captain

1901
01:42:16.000 --> 01:42:18.520
<v Speaker 1>America the first Avenger, and they went back and get

1902
01:42:18.640 --> 01:42:21.479
<v Speaker 1>got caught up. So I think we are going to

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01:42:21.560 --> 01:42:27.359
<v Speaker 1>see that, this is my guess. And I think Doomsday

1904
01:42:27.439 --> 01:42:32.159
<v Speaker 1>is gonna end up doing fine unless it's just complete garbage,

1905
01:42:32.159 --> 01:42:34.319
<v Speaker 1>which I doubt right right.

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01:42:34.279 --> 01:42:36.359
<v Speaker 2>And I think speaking I don't know for the people

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01:42:36.359 --> 01:42:39.039
<v Speaker 2>who feel like me. I've watched all this stuff. I

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01:42:39.079 --> 01:42:41.119
<v Speaker 2>continue to check in, but just because there's so much

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01:42:41.159 --> 01:42:44.319
<v Speaker 2>of it, I find myself not feeling, you know, as

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01:42:45.960 --> 01:42:51.319
<v Speaker 2>excited early out right. However, like the weeks building up

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01:42:51.359 --> 01:42:53.439
<v Speaker 2>to it, of course I made you get excited, right,

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01:42:53.520 --> 01:42:54.880
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? And of course I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go and I'm probably gonna watch it more than once,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>You know it's funny. Last week I got on Disney

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<v Speaker 1>Plus and you know, in they're in their Marvel vertical.

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<v Speaker 1>They have a they have a thing the Multiverse saga,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a whole everything in the Multiverse saga leading

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<v Speaker 1>up to Doomsday. And I was like, yeah, man, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do this. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember in the lead up to Infinity War, I

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<v Speaker 1>watched one Marvel movie a week eating up to Infinity

1924
01:43:19.560 --> 01:43:20.800
<v Speaker 1>and it was great. It was a it was a

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01:43:21.439 --> 01:43:23.720
<v Speaker 1>like perfect way to watch it. And then I'm just

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01:43:23.800 --> 01:43:26.000
<v Speaker 1>like scrolling through and I just keep scrolling, and then

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01:43:26.000 --> 01:43:27.720
<v Speaker 1>I stop because my fingers are getting tired. And then

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01:43:27.720 --> 01:43:33.079
<v Speaker 1>I scroll some more and I'm like Holy Jesus, there's

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01:43:33.239 --> 01:43:36.920
<v Speaker 1>so much right right right, It's too much, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So I need like like a like a boiled down

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<v Speaker 1>version of this, But I do. I do want to

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<v Speaker 1>go through and Rewatch, you know, like Wanda Vision and

1933
01:43:47.000 --> 01:43:50.359
<v Speaker 1>you know some of those, especially like those earlier ones

1934
01:43:50.399 --> 01:43:54.000
<v Speaker 1>from like five six years ago that I don't even remember. Uh,

1935
01:43:54.439 --> 01:43:57.039
<v Speaker 1>but I'm in that headspace now, you know. Yeah, yeah,

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01:43:58.279 --> 01:44:02.680
<v Speaker 1>but it it is remarkable because because to me, the

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01:44:02.840 --> 01:44:08.920
<v Speaker 1>twin successes of the Odyssey and Spider Man Brand New Day.

1938
01:44:09.159 --> 01:44:12.119
<v Speaker 1>First of all, they prove the the unmatched trifecta of

1939
01:44:12.239 --> 01:44:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Tom Hollins and Day and John Burnhal obviously right, clearly

1940
01:44:16.479 --> 01:44:18.319
<v Speaker 1>box office gold, the three of them together.

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01:44:20.039 --> 01:44:23.279
<v Speaker 2>But like they need to do a road comedy exactly,

1942
01:44:23.920 --> 01:44:24.600
<v Speaker 2>I'd watch.

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01:44:24.439 --> 01:44:29.199
<v Speaker 1>It what they show, I mean it just it highlights

1944
01:44:29.319 --> 01:44:33.680
<v Speaker 1>what we've been talking about this this summer. Sequels are fine,

1945
01:44:33.840 --> 01:44:34.600
<v Speaker 1>just give people.

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01:44:34.439 --> 01:44:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Something new, totally yeah, exactly right.

1947
01:44:38.199 --> 01:44:41.600
<v Speaker 1>And guess what scarcity is the key?

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01:44:42.479 --> 01:44:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, those two things should be on a little cross

1949
01:44:45.800 --> 01:44:48.600
<v Speaker 2>stitch hanging in every studio's office.

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<v Speaker 1>Right because because look at the three unmistakable successes of

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01:44:53.640 --> 01:44:59.680
<v Speaker 1>this summer Masters of the Universe, I'm just kidding, oh teer. Although,

1952
01:45:00.239 --> 01:45:04.600
<v Speaker 1>as predicted, that movie is cleaning up on Amazon Prime,

1953
01:45:06.039 --> 01:45:07.199
<v Speaker 1>vis A vis Views.

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01:45:07.720 --> 01:45:10.279
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned it to my brother that it was streaming

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01:45:10.439 --> 01:45:12.359
<v Speaker 2>already for free. You didn't even have to rent it,

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01:45:12.399 --> 01:45:13.840
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, oh, and then he started it.

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01:45:14.279 --> 01:45:17.359
<v Speaker 1>Yep, So we predicted that was going to happen. But

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01:45:17.760 --> 01:45:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Toy Story five, Odyssey, Spider Man, Brand New Day, uh,

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01:45:25.520 --> 01:45:30.760
<v Speaker 1>unquestionable smash hits and and again I think all three

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01:45:30.840 --> 01:45:33.439
<v Speaker 1>are franchises because I considered Nolan himself a franchise.

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01:45:34.239 --> 01:45:36.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, scarcity is the key.

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01:45:36.600 --> 01:45:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, it's been seven years since the last

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01:45:41.960 --> 01:45:44.359
<v Speaker 1>Toy Story, It's been three years since last Nolan, it's

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01:45:44.359 --> 01:45:48.319
<v Speaker 1>been five years since last Spider Man. So give us something,

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01:45:49.560 --> 01:45:53.760
<v Speaker 1>give us more of what we love, but give it,

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01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:56.079
<v Speaker 1>give us, give it to us in a new in

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01:45:56.159 --> 01:45:56.640
<v Speaker 1>a new way.

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01:45:57.399 --> 01:46:00.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is not hardy would.

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01:46:02.439 --> 01:46:07.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's really like because to me, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>Master's Universe. Notwithstanding there's a whole separate list of reasons

1971
01:46:11.039 --> 01:46:16.640
<v Speaker 1>that was destined to fail. But Mowana and Mandalorian and

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01:46:16.720 --> 01:46:20.279
<v Speaker 1>Grogu are like people are just aren't going to line

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01:46:20.359 --> 01:46:22.680
<v Speaker 1>up for the same old shit anymore, you know, Hm,

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01:46:23.399 --> 01:46:25.520
<v Speaker 1>and let's widen the aperture a little bit, right, what

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01:46:25.600 --> 01:46:31.760
<v Speaker 1>are the big hits of this year? Michael back Rooms, Obsession, Right,

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01:46:32.720 --> 01:46:38.720
<v Speaker 1>Spider Man, Toy, Story of Odyssey. Between those six movies,

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01:46:38.800 --> 01:46:41.960
<v Speaker 1>you've got a pretty wide spectrum of the types of

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01:46:42.039 --> 01:46:44.600
<v Speaker 1>movies people will show up for, you know.

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01:46:46.159 --> 01:46:47.760
<v Speaker 2>And not all those would have showed up on some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of algorithm.

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<v Speaker 1>Out exactly, print out exactly what a fascinating test case

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01:46:54.399 --> 01:46:55.680
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six has been.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, at the movies, Yeah, exciting one.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think we still got more more months.

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01:47:00.920 --> 01:47:02.279
<v Speaker 2>Yet we still got prime time.

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01:47:02.359 --> 01:47:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Baby. I know that's a comment. There's plenty more patents

1987
01:47:06.720 --> 01:47:11.279
<v Speaker 1>than a coming, don't you fret. But hey, those are

1988
01:47:11.319 --> 01:47:13.680
<v Speaker 1>our thoughts about about Spider Man's Box. I was anything

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01:47:13.720 --> 01:47:14.319
<v Speaker 1>else you wanted to add?

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<v Speaker 2>Brian, uh No, No, I just uh, I don't know

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01:47:18.520 --> 01:47:20.439
<v Speaker 2>something about Spider Man. I want I want to watch

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01:47:20.479 --> 01:47:20.840
<v Speaker 2>it again.

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01:47:21.239 --> 01:47:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I've gotten in three. I think I'm done. But three

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01:47:25.159 --> 01:47:26.359
<v Speaker 1>three was good. I felt good about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I just they've hit some magic formula with

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01:47:30.039 --> 01:47:33.720
<v Speaker 2>that series. I mean, the casting, the way that they've

1997
01:47:33.760 --> 01:47:36.279
<v Speaker 2>managed the characters, the stories. I mean, that's the thing too,

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01:47:36.399 --> 01:47:39.000
<v Speaker 2>is they made a story that I had to see,

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01:47:39.960 --> 01:47:42.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, after the ending of No Way Home, like

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01:47:42.319 --> 01:47:43.920
<v Speaker 2>I had to see what was going to happen next.

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01:47:43.960 --> 01:47:47.479
<v Speaker 2>And that's just great storytelling. So credit where credits.

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<v Speaker 1>Do indeed, and and and by the way, I don't

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01:47:51.680 --> 01:47:53.319
<v Speaker 1>know if I mentioned this in our last episode, but

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<v Speaker 1>I really enjoyed the way they wove the Hulk into

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01:47:56.479 --> 01:48:00.760
<v Speaker 1>this story because I did find him, uh integral in

2006
01:48:00.880 --> 01:48:06.600
<v Speaker 1>some ways, but more I liked the casualness of Peter

2007
01:48:06.800 --> 01:48:09.880
<v Speaker 1>rolling up to Bruce Banner's class and just being like

2008
01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:12.239
<v Speaker 1>hey and just asking him a question, because that gave

2009
01:48:12.319 --> 01:48:16.439
<v Speaker 1>me real like comic book vibes. Totally sure where you

2010
01:48:16.520 --> 01:48:18.399
<v Speaker 1>could do that, you know, where you would have an

2011
01:48:18.399 --> 01:48:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Avengers issue where Captain America gets you know, mister Fantastic

2012
01:48:21.960 --> 01:48:22.640
<v Speaker 1>on speed dial.

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01:48:22.760 --> 01:48:22.920
<v Speaker 2>You know.

2014
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<v Speaker 1>But I am very curious about what they do with

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01:48:27.760 --> 01:48:31.920
<v Speaker 1>the Hulk next because I think it's interesting where they

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01:48:32.000 --> 01:48:32.399
<v Speaker 1>left him.

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01:48:32.800 --> 01:48:34.439
<v Speaker 2>M yeah, right.

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01:48:34.640 --> 01:48:37.359
<v Speaker 1>The fact that he's kept the Hulk bottled up all

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01:48:37.439 --> 01:48:43.800
<v Speaker 1>these years and the Hulk ain't happening it anymore, that's interesting,

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01:48:43.960 --> 01:48:44.119
<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I thought he was woven in very organically.

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01:48:47.600 --> 01:48:53.479
<v Speaker 2>I like, Yeah, good storytelling. Once again, I mean sometimes

2023
01:48:53.520 --> 01:48:56.000
<v Speaker 2>it feels like these extra characters are shoehorned in just

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01:48:56.079 --> 01:48:58.560
<v Speaker 2>to remind you that there's a bigger universe happening. But

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01:48:59.359 --> 01:49:00.960
<v Speaker 2>just everything was going right with this one.

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01:49:01.520 --> 01:49:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Oh, and I want to if I'm sure it's

2027
01:49:04.840 --> 01:49:07.560
<v Speaker 1>already happening, But but they would be very smart to

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01:49:07.680 --> 01:49:12.600
<v Speaker 1>lock in destined Daniel Krettin. Now that's it. This is

2029
01:49:12.680 --> 01:49:14.760
<v Speaker 1>like where the shittiness of just the Internet comes in.

2030
01:49:15.119 --> 01:49:20.319
<v Speaker 1>I've seen stories on the Internet about about people people

2031
01:49:21.319 --> 01:49:26.399
<v Speaker 1>showing up in old Instagram posts on John Watts's page

2032
01:49:27.279 --> 01:49:32.359
<v Speaker 1>saying hey, don't direct any more Spider Man movies, And

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01:49:32.439 --> 01:49:33.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, why y'all gotta be like that.

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01:49:36.039 --> 01:49:38.199
<v Speaker 2>The reason we're here is because you liked his movies.

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01:49:38.800 --> 01:49:41.119
<v Speaker 1>Like, I mean, honest to God, what what is?

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01:49:41.520 --> 01:49:41.560
<v Speaker 2>What?

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01:49:42.199 --> 01:49:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Who raised you?

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01:49:43.359 --> 01:49:47.560
<v Speaker 2>I know? I know, I mean that's a special type

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01:49:47.600 --> 01:49:51.279
<v Speaker 2>of you know, messed up person, It really is. It

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01:49:51.439 --> 01:49:54.680
<v Speaker 2>just to be so they have the energy to be

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01:49:54.800 --> 01:49:55.680
<v Speaker 2>that hateful, you know.

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01:49:55.800 --> 01:49:58.319
<v Speaker 1>It's just I want to say to all those people,

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01:49:58.920 --> 01:50:08.039
<v Speaker 1>just hey, stop it, stop it, stop it. That's all. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all for me. Hey, if you have any thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on what we said, you can you can email us

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<v Speaker 1>at moviefilm podcasts at gmail dot Comic can also hit

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<v Speaker 1>right right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, over at patreon dot com slash Movie Film podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>is the most satisfying way to enjoy the show, no

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<v Speaker 2>your subscription goes a long way and helping to support

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. I just want to say, by the way,

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01:51:15.479 --> 01:51:17.319
<v Speaker 1>you know that whole that whole spiel that I do

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01:51:17.520 --> 01:51:21.720
<v Speaker 1>leading into our Patreon pitch, Yeah, that is from memory.

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01:51:21.800 --> 01:51:23.720
<v Speaker 1>That is that is muscle memory. That's like Ned at

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01:51:23.760 --> 01:51:25.399
<v Speaker 1>the end of Spider Man Brand New Day.

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<v Speaker 2>With the handshake.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It's just it's just it's just in my head. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And it just comes out almost verbatim every single week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And and I'm like, you know this. You know, my mom,

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<v Speaker 1>my brother, my nephew, they have memorized the entire Qur'an.

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<v Speaker 2>Me.

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<v Speaker 1>I got this right, this is what I got.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm I'm proud of you. I'm impressed.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks man.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I really do and I really mean all

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<v Speaker 2>this when I say this, I mean you you do

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<v Speaker 2>steer the ship of this show. And it's really impressive

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<v Speaker 2>because sometimes when we're going to do a headline or

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<v Speaker 2>something and it's a story I'm interested in or I

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<v Speaker 2>brought to the table, You'll go, oh, well don't you

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<v Speaker 2>can lead off with it, And so I'll go okay

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<v Speaker 2>in the news. Wait, hold on, Zachie, we got to

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<v Speaker 2>start over like it's just there's a real you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It requires finesse and a steady hand,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have that. You're very, very good at it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I appreciate that about you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I appreciate I was not fishing for the compliment,

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<v Speaker 1>but I will. I will gladly accept it with the

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<v Speaker 1>humble heart thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you deserve it. I'm happy to give it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks man, you're all right too. Thanks man, You're you're good.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you like stuff? But hey, if you're looking for

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<v Speaker 1>me online, you can find me on social media at

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<v Speaker 1>Zaki's Corner. That's the aka i as Corner. You can

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<v Speaker 1>also read my reviews at the San Francisco Chronicle, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>including coming up my review of Lanterns on HBO Max,

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<v Speaker 1>so look out for that in the next week or so.

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<v Speaker 1>What about you, Brian, What do you have going on?

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<v Speaker 2>You can find episodes I've written of Puppy Dog Pals

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<v Speaker 2>and Young Jedi Adventures streaming on Disney Plus.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go and with that on behalf of my partner,

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Hall. My name is Zachie Isson. This has been

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<v Speaker 1>movie Film three forty nine. We will catch you next time.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks everybody, We will come.

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