Speaker 1: Welcome friends podcasts, Jacky, Why, welcome to Movie Film It's
Speaker 1: episode three forty nine. I'm Zaki said, I'm.
Speaker 2: Here with Brian hall Day. How's it going, Zachi? We are?
Speaker 1: We are just one regular show away from three point fifty.
Speaker 2: I can't believe it. I can't believe it. Amazing, I know.
Speaker 2: I mean we were just talking about our episodes, and
Speaker 2: did you say it was ten years ago? We had
Speaker 2: recorded our hundredth episode.
Speaker 1: Ten years ago last month? Wow? Yeah? Crazy?
Speaker 2: And then when you add our commentaries in, we're over
Speaker 2: five hundred episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, five hundred and twenty something. Wow. And and
Speaker 1: I don't I don't mind saying I think that of
Speaker 1: those five hundred twenty some five or six pretty good ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like we're really the bat
Speaker 1: hit the ball. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, we can almost put together a Greatest Hits collection.
Speaker 1: I would say another ten years we might have half
Speaker 1: of a Greatest Hits album. That's right, That's the reason
Speaker 1: we keep going. Yeah, but how are you doing? What's
Speaker 1: new in movie film land for you?
Speaker 2: Will? I haven't really watched a lot, to be honest, well,
Speaker 2: at least movie wise, but I did want to note
Speaker 2: that I still have notes coming in about the movie
Speaker 2: The Drama. Ah, yes, which is it's been kind of fascinating.
Speaker 2: I mean I talked about The Drama I think back
Speaker 2: in April because I really enjoyed it. I not just
Speaker 2: enjoyed the movie, but then I noticed that I was
Speaker 2: having more conversations about that movie than I usually do
Speaker 2: any other movie. Like people were texting me, people were
Speaker 2: reaching out through the show, people were sending me voice messages,
Speaker 2: people who had not done that before. And I was like, Wow,
Speaker 2: there's really something to this, Like people are really having
Speaker 2: It's giving people a lot to chew on and they
Speaker 2: just want to talk about it. And so anyway, that
Speaker 2: had happened and time had passed, and then recently, actually
Speaker 2: Jeremy Lloyd reached out about it recently, which was like,
Speaker 2: oh great, yeah, and I was like, I I want
Speaker 2: to hear all your thoughts, let me know. And then
Speaker 2: after that I had two more notes come in just yesterday,
Speaker 2: actually two friends of mine who I actually don't think
Speaker 2: they listened to the show either, like they just happened
Speaker 2: to watch it and they're like, oh man, I got
Speaker 2: to talk about this. I was like, wow, it's amazing,
Speaker 2: so I just wanted to shine a light on it again.
Speaker 2: It's currently streaming on HBO Max. If people are looking
Speaker 2: for an interesting, character driven story that obviously provokes conversation,
Speaker 2: a reminder also, it has some uncomfortable subject matter at times,
Speaker 2: so if people are sensitive to those sorts of things,
Speaker 2: you might want to do a quick little Wikipedia check
Speaker 2: to see what it's about. But otherwise it's got a
Speaker 2: really interesting premise. I think it's executed really well and
Speaker 2: it gives you a lot to chew on. And I've
Speaker 2: loved this resurgence in messages about it and talking about
Speaker 2: it again.
Speaker 1: So what this really shows, Brian, is the continued value
Speaker 1: of the theatrical model, and I think this past year
Speaker 1: has really proven its vitality right because when a movie
Speaker 1: drops on streaming it might be vaguely zeitgeisty maybe, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's kind of a coin toss at this point. But
Speaker 1: what you have with the with the theatrical release as
Speaker 1: the center spoke for all of this is it allows
Speaker 1: multiple cycles of discourse.
Speaker 2: Yes, at your absolutely right, there was that first cycle
Speaker 2: and now there's people discovering it on HBO Max. And
Speaker 2: I wonder also if people if this was something that
Speaker 2: came out on I'm just gonna say generically a streaming
Speaker 2: service at some point, maybe they'd catch it if they
Speaker 2: didn't know what else to click on. Maybe they wouldn't
Speaker 2: and it would disappear from their minds forever. But there
Speaker 2: probably is an extra little sheen to this. Well, it
Speaker 2: is an A twenty four movie, which I know also
Speaker 2: gives a little sparkle for some people. But yeah, this
Speaker 2: is something they missed in theaters and oh hey, now
Speaker 2: it's available on HBO Max. Let's check that out. I
Speaker 2: wonder if that yeah, you know, a little a little
Speaker 2: more oomph.
Speaker 1: And and it adds to the pretty good year that
Speaker 1: both Zendaya and Robert Pattinson have been having.
Speaker 2: They really have and there's no slowing down, right, I
Speaker 2: mean they both have. We'll talk about it in a minute.
Speaker 2: But Pattinson's got a movie that I'm very excited about
Speaker 2: coming up, well, and Dune and then Syndia with Dune,
Speaker 2: Like what a year. I mean, this has got to be.
Speaker 2: I would be curious to see this against other movie
Speaker 2: stars from the past, like having this many major movies
Speaker 2: in one year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty pretty pretty good roster of of you know,
Speaker 1: the blockbusters and and more indie stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And and it's not like it's just Pattinson has four
Speaker 2: major movies this year is and Daya has like they're
Speaker 2: sharing these movies. Yeah, I know, right, And I mean
Speaker 2: just in July alone. It's August now, but you had
Speaker 2: a Spider Man Brand New Day, you know, with Tom
Speaker 2: Holland and z India, and then you've got and John Burenthal.
Speaker 2: Then same month Odyssey John Berenthal's India, Tom Holland, and
Speaker 2: you got Sindaya and Pattinson together and Drama and Dune
Speaker 2: and it's all this crazy I don't know, cross pollination
Speaker 2: or something like. It's it's pretty interesting and unique, am I.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't feel like that happens a lot.
Speaker 1: It does different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this much?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but what else?
Speaker 2: Well, this is the last time I'll mention this. I've
Speaker 2: brought this up too much, but I finally finished watching Nirvana,
Speaker 2: the band, the show, and I just have to mention
Speaker 2: it one more time because I think I sent it
Speaker 2: to you. But their thing is, you know, they always
Speaker 2: it's like a Looney Tunes cartoon where they always are
Speaker 2: trying to come up with a scheme to figure out
Speaker 2: how they can play at this small music venue. And
Speaker 2: one of the episodes opened with a really amazing riff
Speaker 2: on the opening of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Like, right,
Speaker 2: did I send this to you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, like right down to the music and anyway,
Speaker 2: it was so spot on and so particular. I was
Speaker 2: just dying. I was like, how does this exist like this?
Speaker 2: How does something that just delights me so specifically like
Speaker 2: this exist? So I just I have to recommend it
Speaker 2: one more time. It's on Hulu. I will say this
Speaker 2: for the movie, I highly recommend you can go right
Speaker 2: into the movie. You don't need to watch the show,
Speaker 2: and I am almost certain most people who listen to.
Speaker 1: This will love it.
Speaker 2: The show is really really funny. I would say some
Speaker 2: of the episodes are a little more inspired than others,
Speaker 2: But if you enjoy the guys and you enjoy the conceit,
Speaker 2: I think you'll at least get a laugh or two
Speaker 2: out of each of them and just be delighted by
Speaker 2: their goofiness. So anyway, I had to mention it one
Speaker 2: more time. Nirvana the band, the show, and definitely recommend
Speaker 2: Nirvana the band, the show, the movie streaming on Hulu
Speaker 2: right now. And lastly, speaking of streaming, I mentioned in
Speaker 2: the last episode that I started watching Cheers because you
Speaker 2: had highly recommended it, and our friend Sean like literally
Speaker 2: came to my place and sat me on a couch
Speaker 2: and hit play to make sure that I would start it,
Speaker 2: and we watched five episodes together. I've since watched three
Speaker 2: or four more, and I have to mention a that
Speaker 2: I'm still enjoying it. But b I had so many
Speaker 2: people reach out to me after I started it, and
Speaker 2: you mentioned, okay, Brian in season seven or something, there's
Speaker 2: this wedding episode, and I was like, oh, wow, okay.
Speaker 2: And then season ten, season ten, so then Sean comes
Speaker 2: over and he's like, I got to tell you there's
Speaker 2: this wedding episode and I was like, wow, Oh that's
Speaker 2: so Zach. He told me the same thing. And then
Speaker 2: I had a friend message me who had listened to
Speaker 2: the show, and she was like, Okay, when you get
Speaker 2: to the wedding episode, we're gonna have a get together,
Speaker 2: like we're going to gather people. Well I was like wow,
Speaker 2: like okay, and I didn't even know that she had
Speaker 2: heard me talk about this, and and I've had other
Speaker 2: people message about me starting Cheers. So it's just I
Speaker 2: love knowing that I have. I feel like I've joined Cheers.
Speaker 2: I feel like I've walked down those stairs entered a warm,
Speaker 2: cozy place, and all these people I know and love
Speaker 2: are bringing me into something you know, special and saying
Speaker 2: instead of saying hey, Norm, Hey Brian so, and.
Speaker 1: Every everybody knows your.
Speaker 2: Name exactly and and so I'm not just enjoying the show,
Speaker 2: but I'm kind of enjoying entering this world that everybody
Speaker 2: seems to really already like.
Speaker 1: You know, one thing I've found very gratifying is, you know,
Speaker 1: less one think, oh, this is something in artifact that's
Speaker 1: exclusive to our particular age range or thereabouts. You know,
Speaker 1: I've I've mentioned the show offhand to students, and they've
Speaker 1: literally come to me after, you know, several weeks later,
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the semester be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I started watching it because you recommended it,
Speaker 1: and I'm almost done with the whole series. Wow, So
Speaker 1: it it certainly does hold up. You know, I think
Speaker 1: that obviously there are there are some sitcoms that are
Speaker 1: that are historically important or that are important in the moment,
Speaker 1: but I think there are certain ones that that just
Speaker 1: last and last. I think Cheers is definitely that makes
Speaker 1: I think I think Seinfeld and Friends are in there too,
Speaker 1: but Cheers is is is integral that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just feel lightning in a bottle like the cast.
Speaker 2: I mean those shows that you mentioned, of course, but
Speaker 2: you just you know, everybody is cast Nope. Perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I remember someone saying this to me when I
Speaker 2: was working on Bob's Burgers. They said, you know, you're
Speaker 2: watching an amazing show where you don't lose interest when
Speaker 2: they focus on any of the particular characters, right, Like
Speaker 2: You're just like with Bob's if it's a teen episode, great,
Speaker 2: if it's a Louise episode, great, if it's a Bob
Speaker 2: episode great. And I think I've noticed that with other
Speaker 2: shows as well, right, And like with Cheers, like I
Speaker 2: anytime they stop to focus on Norm, like recently it
Speaker 2: was an episode where he was having his coworkers come
Speaker 2: to the bar for a toga party, and you know,
Speaker 2: like I was like, oh Norm, great, time with Norm,
Speaker 2: or time with the Diane or time you know, it's yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess it's no surprise that those things live on
Speaker 2: the way they do.
Speaker 1: Well, I want you to keep me posted as you
Speaker 1: as you continue through that series.
Speaker 2: I will, I will definitely. And what about yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's been it's been a slower week, which
Speaker 1: is kind of nice. You know, so summer summer semester
Speaker 1: is winding down for me. So I'm just kind of now,
Speaker 1: probably in the next week or so, I'll do a
Speaker 1: little bit more catching up. But I got in two
Speaker 1: more viewings of Spider Man Brand New Day since the
Speaker 1: last time I talked to you.
Speaker 2: Oh nice, Actually I saw it once more, so yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: here's how that went.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, well I had to sort of divvy it
Speaker 1: up with my kids, you know, because some I was
Speaker 1: able to take with me to one screening, and you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of I'm like, okay, twist my arm, I guess,
Speaker 1: and then and then my brother and I, you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's been our thing at post Pandemic
Speaker 1: that we go to watch the MCU movies together. So
Speaker 1: I just just two nights ago I watched it. And
Speaker 1: we'll talk more about this movie later in the episode,
Speaker 1: but I will say I went on a Wednesday night
Speaker 1: and the the joint was packed. I mean it was
Speaker 1: absolutely packed. You know.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 1: I also got in my second viewing, only my second
Speaker 1: of the Odyssey.
Speaker 2: Oh okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this one, this has been a challenge because
Speaker 1: because it's been very hard to find seats. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I basically rode off my oldest he he hadn't seen
Speaker 1: it and he wanted to see it. And I kept
Speaker 1: trying and trying to get like decent Imax seats. I
Speaker 1: don't even mean seventy millimeter you know, bells and whistles,
Speaker 1: just like regular faumax. You know, even that wasn't able
Speaker 1: to get. So finally I told him, I'm like, look,
Speaker 1: it's a good movie. It's good whichever size screen you
Speaker 1: watch it on. And he's like, fine, you know, but
Speaker 1: even then regular size show the theater was was pretty full,
Speaker 1: you know. And and yeah, I mean it absolutely holds up.
Speaker 1: It was fun to revisit it and kind of have
Speaker 1: an extra eye towards towards the various things going on.
Speaker 1: But I mean it ends and my son turns to him,
Speaker 1: He's like, that was awesome. Yeah, this is having that experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh good, I'm glad. I'm glad he felt
Speaker 2: that way. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Again.
Speaker 1: It is crazy to look at Matt Damon at this
Speaker 1: stage of his career. You know, we're talking about Pattinson's
Speaker 1: and Day and whatever, and you realize, like, well, Damon,
Speaker 1: a Fleck, you know, DiCaprio, they were that class at
Speaker 1: the turn of the century.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: I haven't.
Speaker 2: I don't just think about that. It just was.
Speaker 1: But you're right. I recently saw an interview with Matt
Speaker 1: Damon and he was talking about how him and Affleck
Speaker 1: they both auditioned for Dead Poet Society. Oh interesting, okay,
Speaker 1: and they were really they were like, this is like
Speaker 1: Taylor made for us, you know, oh my gosh, it's perfect.
Speaker 1: And then of course didn't end up making it into
Speaker 1: that movie, and you know, everyone who was ended up
Speaker 1: doing okay, right, and just the frustration they talked about
Speaker 1: that summer when the movie came out. They were working
Speaker 1: at the movie theater.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: They're having to like they're watching people leave the theater
Speaker 1: just with tears in their eyes. Why because they just
Speaker 1: watched Dead Poets Society. Yeah, and anything like that movie
Speaker 1: was eighty eight when it came out okay, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, if you could have told them then
Speaker 1: that in exactly ten years you'll be accepting Oscars for
Speaker 1: writing a movie starring the star of Dead Post Society. Yes,
Speaker 1: right right.
Speaker 2: I didn't even make that connection. Yeah, amazing, you know,
Speaker 2: that is amazing. I love stories like that where you
Speaker 2: know the ending, yeah, you know, and then you hear
Speaker 2: about the struggle at the beginning and they just persist, Yeah,
Speaker 2: don't give up, and yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1: And so you say, you have somebody like Matt Damon
Speaker 1: who has been i mean consistently a respected movie star
Speaker 1: for almost thirty years at this point, and this many
Speaker 1: years into his career, he has his biggest hit ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah right right.
Speaker 1: You know, The Odyssey has now passed a billion dollars.
Speaker 1: I think it either has or it shortly will pass
Speaker 1: The Dark Knight Rises to be Christopher Nolan's best hit ever.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know, these are the stories we love,
Speaker 1: you know. But while we're talking about the Odyssey, I
Speaker 1: did want to mention I also checked out a movie
Speaker 1: from a couple of years ago which a couple of
Speaker 1: people had recommended to me called The Return. Have you
Speaker 1: have you heard of this one? Uh?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: So this is this is like I said, it's it's
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty four, and it is about the last
Speaker 1: hour of what we see in the Odyssey the Return. Yeah,
Speaker 1: got it? So this is this is that last hour
Speaker 1: blown up to two hours.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean where does it begin, like him getting
Speaker 2: back to the shores.
Speaker 1: Really it starts with Odysseus washing up on the shores
Speaker 1: of it the.
Speaker 2: Cup Okay, okay, I'm looking at it now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's directed by Uberto Pasolini and it stars
Speaker 1: Ray Fines as Odysseus and Juliette Binoche as Penelope.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Really those those are probably the biggest names that are
Speaker 1: in it.
Speaker 2: You know, what'd you think?
Speaker 1: So what's interesting it is? I had two feelings. I
Speaker 1: think it's it's very methodical, and so it's it feels
Speaker 1: very certainly the first chunk feels very like kind of like,
Speaker 1: let's get to it. Let's when are we going to
Speaker 1: get to the fireworks factory?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, but part of that is because having
Speaker 1: just seen the Odyssey, we know the ending, right, Like
Speaker 1: it's very fresh, right, and so you're kind of like
Speaker 1: waiting to get to that, and and having seen the
Speaker 1: the quote unquote short version, right, it's it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, let's get to it. But the the
Speaker 1: the way it's staged, I mean, it's amazing performances. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: Matt Damon is great Odysseus. You're not going to go
Speaker 1: wrong with rape fines as Odysseus, right, sure, right, And
Speaker 1: the way the final sequence plays out is a fun
Speaker 1: adjunct to the one in the Odyssey. Like it's I'm
Speaker 1: not even going to get into better or worse. It's
Speaker 1: just a cool seeing the same thing interpreted in a
Speaker 1: different way. So it I would recommend it. I think
Speaker 1: it is absolutely worth watching, especially if you've just seen
Speaker 1: the Odyssey, but know that it's paced very differently than
Speaker 1: the Odyssey. And there's plenty of folks who are like
Speaker 1: about the Odyssey, like, come on, get to it, right, sure, sure, right,
Speaker 1: but at least the Odyssey sprinkles in some people turning
Speaker 1: into pigs and the cyclops and whatnot. Right, we don't
Speaker 1: get any of that in this.
Speaker 2: Excuse me. What I was wondering was does it feel
Speaker 2: like a third act? I mean, do you do they
Speaker 2: give flashbacks. Do they have context? Do they?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: How do you root for what you want him to do?
Speaker 1: By the end, they give you enough to understand it, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it it sort of. It assumes a level
Speaker 1: of familiarity to give you like the basics. But I mean,
Speaker 1: this movie costs like three million dollars, right, so it's
Speaker 1: like sure, so a lot of it rests on the performances,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know what, if you're gonna point
Speaker 1: a camera at rape Fines and hear him describe the
Speaker 1: storming of Troy, I'd pay money to see that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Totally totally so I I I
Speaker 1: hadn't heard of this at all. I had no idea
Speaker 1: this movie existed. And then, like I said, somebody somebody
Speaker 1: mentioned it to me and I checked out. I'm glad
Speaker 1: I did. It's not the Odyssey, but it is an
Speaker 1: interesting take on the closing events of the Odyssey?
Speaker 2: Cool? Did your kids watch? I just watched it on
Speaker 2: my own. I was curious, like if they had seen
Speaker 2: the Nolan one and then this, and if they had
Speaker 2: any feelings.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I took the Michael Jordan approach where I was like,
Speaker 1: f them kids, right, right, right, look it up, kids.
Speaker 2: Or don't you don't care?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Them kids, the kids.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's what I've seen.
Speaker 2: Cool. Cool.
Speaker 1: But hey, we got some listener letters. Brian, hey be,
Speaker 1: you have been for me eighteen thousand less. I'm addressed.
Speaker 2: You've got mail.
Speaker 1: So here's a note we got from Luke's maail. This
Speaker 1: was on our YouTube page. This was in response to
Speaker 1: our Supergirl nineteen eighty four commentary track.
Speaker 2: Remember that one, Brian, I do. Actually, I was thinking
Speaker 2: about it last night. Well longingly, no, but I think
Speaker 2: I might have mentioned on the show. I was talking
Speaker 2: to people recently about the Legend of Billy Jean.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're saying how much they like that movie, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I know that now because yeah, I
Speaker 2: was doing a deep dive on Helen Slater and look
Speaker 2: at that.
Speaker 1: Uh So Luke says, thanks for surviving this one. I
Speaker 1: grew up in the eighties like you guys, and when
Speaker 1: it comes to this movie, I need to misquote Luke
Speaker 1: Skywalker in Return of the Jedi. I have no memory
Speaker 1: of Supergirl nineteen eighty four. I never knew her.
Speaker 2: That's funny.
Speaker 1: With the new movie out, I decided to finally check
Speaker 1: it out, and honestly, I never thought i'd say these words.
Speaker 1: Nuclear Man was missed. Nuclear Man, Yeah, nuclear Man in
Speaker 1: those giant nails, remember those, Brian, Oh, it was always Yeah.
Speaker 2: They made me uncomfortable, just the long nails.
Speaker 1: It's unnerving, it's disturbing. Well, he scratches his skin. I know,
Speaker 1: it's like, it's not nice. He goes on it. Honestly
Speaker 1: goes to show you how much Richard Donno was responsible
Speaker 1: for that first film and a lot of the good
Speaker 1: stuff in the sequel. I did see Santa Claus the movie,
Speaker 1: and whilst it wasn't great, it was two thousand and
Speaker 1: one of Space Odyssey compared to this movie. But was
Speaker 1: it the magnificent Anderson right right? John Lithgow chewing the
Speaker 1: scenery in that film elevated it. On one of the
Speaker 1: Superman documentaries, Ilia Salkind went out of his way of
Speaker 1: saying Superman three and Supergirl at least weren't disasters like
Speaker 1: the Quest for Peace. My response to that is, well,
Speaker 1: at least Quest for Peace wasn't entertaining disaster.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I don't I don't know. To me, I
Speaker 1: lump all three of those together to some extent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean I didn't know any better. A
Speaker 2: Quest for Peace was on TV a lot when I
Speaker 2: was a kid, so I endeared to it in a
Speaker 2: specific way.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I get it. Uh. Luke then asked Zaki,
Speaker 1: did you ever see the sal Kinds TV show Superboy
Speaker 1: in the nineteen nineties. My main memory of that is
Speaker 1: Gilbert Godfried doing a lot of screaming as a villain
Speaker 1: in that show. He was a villain. I think the
Speaker 1: character was Nick Knack.
Speaker 2: Oh funny, that could be misremembered. It feels like a word.
Speaker 2: I can hear him saying.
Speaker 1: Nick Knack, Hey, super Boy. I I and and by
Speaker 1: the way, Bigilbert Godfried was also the voice of Mister
Speaker 1: Mix's piddlic in the nineteen nineties Superman animated series No Wow,
Speaker 1: as Tim Daily. So, yes, I do remember the super
Speaker 1: Boy television show. I know, Brian, you've heard me talk
Speaker 1: about that. Uh it was, yeah, you know. It was
Speaker 1: a show for four seasons. It lasted. I think it's
Speaker 1: a it's an interesting curiosity. Sure, some some episodes are fun.
Speaker 1: It's it's weird how it's like a half hour adventure show.
Speaker 2: Mmmm, oh, half hour right, Like that's odd. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: very brief.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it went into syndication. It was it benefited
Speaker 1: from that that that Next Generation boom because you had
Speaker 1: you had Star trek that started in eighty seven, and
Speaker 1: then the next few years after that, suddenly a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of shows in first run syndication.
Speaker 2: Wow, eighty seven. I think that as a nineties thing,
Speaker 2: and I know it was in the nineties, but I
Speaker 2: remember when it started and my dad watching it.
Speaker 1: Eighty next Gen Holy cow. Yeah yeah, coming up on
Speaker 1: forty years.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, super in fact Superboy, Like that's my memory of
Speaker 1: that show is it was on WPWR Saturday afternoons, just
Speaker 1: before Next Generation. You remember War of the World's the
Speaker 1: series not really, Yeah, that was another that was like Paramount.
Speaker 1: They paired it with Star trek Man.
Speaker 2: No, I mean what was it based on the book?
Speaker 2: Like it was, and then it just became a weekly
Speaker 2: sort of Peril of the Week.
Speaker 1: It was based up. It was like a sequel to
Speaker 1: the film, the George Powell movie.
Speaker 2: It's like the Aliens they didn't see this coming, but
Speaker 2: they got a cold except they didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it was something I forgive me. I
Speaker 1: don't remember because I haven't revisited since the nineties, but
Speaker 1: it was the opening credits would alluded to the film,
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties film, and it was like, instead of
Speaker 1: overt invasion, now the aliens are doing it surreptitiously.
Speaker 2: Oh see, what I wanted is that one of the
Speaker 2: aliens was in a drug store and as it was
Speaker 2: falling over ill, it knocked over some pseudofed and it
Speaker 2: was like a look glook, golok glook, and then it
Speaker 2: got like super healthy and the adventure continues.
Speaker 1: That's a better premise because this was more like a
Speaker 1: body snatchers type thing. Okay, yeah, I think it lasted
Speaker 1: two seasons. Anyway, Why why do I need to remember that?
Speaker 1: I don't know it was anyway, I'm amazed you do.
Speaker 1: The late eighties and early nineties was like this. This
Speaker 1: just bumper crop of all kinds of syndicated shows. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: first syndication. There's another, this total tangent. It was called
Speaker 1: Street Justice. You ever heard of this?
Speaker 2: I do remember that title.
Speaker 1: It starred Carl Weathers.
Speaker 2: Okay, and look look it up.
Speaker 1: Go to YouTube Street Justice intro. It is the most
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one syndicated TV intro you could possibly imagine,
Speaker 1: like it's kind of amazing, you know.
Speaker 2: Street Justice.
Speaker 1: I mean, and the title is just generic and nothing.
Speaker 1: It doesn't tell you anything, you know.
Speaker 2: Basically a gavel, a clisp of a gavel like slams
Speaker 2: down and then it looks like it's stamped on the
Speaker 2: screen Street Justice, and then the screen shatters yep. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then everybody's doing that eighties turned to the camera
Speaker 2: and smile.
Speaker 1: But that that's the season two intro that you're looking at.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, look at the see I know this.
Speaker 1: Right, because the season one intro is like you see
Speaker 1: Carl Weathers and his buddy they're like standing under a
Speaker 1: street light and then like the light goes up. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just very like it's charming. I find it charming. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not dogging on it. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: have hate in my heart, Brian, I'm not that way.
Speaker 1: Any who. Thank you for that, Luke, Thank you for
Speaker 1: allowing us to descend into the recesses of early nineties syndication.
Speaker 1: Uh here's what we got from Melissa Nicholson. She emailed
Speaker 1: us at movie from podcast at gmail dot com and
Speaker 1: Ishizaking Briant. The live action from animated movie trend needs
Speaker 1: to slam on the brakes already. I'm in agreement that
Speaker 1: the Miana live action looks lifeless. I had seen the
Speaker 1: trailer recently when I'd gone to see the Minions and
Speaker 1: Monsters film, and it just made me incredibly sad. The
Speaker 1: animated film is so colorful, fun and just has such
Speaker 1: a peaceful and adventurous energy. The live action lacks all
Speaker 1: of those things. It's become a dark, dreary film. It
Speaker 1: just crushes that animated movie energy completely. That right there
Speaker 1: is what made me feel sad. If you wanted to
Speaker 1: make a live action film, don't take from what's already
Speaker 1: been done and has been hugely successful. The fact that
Speaker 1: it's only been ten years from the last that's too soon.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what demographic they're going for in that film.
Speaker 1: It doesn't look like a kid's movie to me. You
Speaker 1: two were also been about having the choice of showing
Speaker 1: children of the original film or the remake. Honestly, if
Speaker 1: I was a parent, I would be showing my child
Speaker 1: the original because they're always the best versions, and there's
Speaker 1: a certain charm and magic that comes from the older films.
Speaker 1: That being said, as I step down from my soapbox,
Speaker 1: I greatly enjoy the latest episode, great conversation as always,
Speaker 1: lovely tribute to Samuel at the end. He'll be very
Speaker 1: much missed.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Melissa. Definitely agree with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the Mowana thing has been interesting because
Speaker 1: I feel like Disney might be having sort of a
Speaker 1: come to Jesus moment now.
Speaker 2: I wonder I'd be very curious what their takeaway is
Speaker 2: from this, the Mowana underperforming moan.
Speaker 1: Look, the fact that Mowana underperformed and the Mandalorian and
Speaker 1: Grogu underperformed, I think both of them are indicative of
Speaker 1: the same trend, yeah, which is people don't want to
Speaker 1: see the same old thing. And meanwhile, the fact I
Speaker 1: said this right, the fact that Toy Story five is
Speaker 1: about to if it hasn't already, it's at or above
Speaker 1: a billion, that's very telling. You know, Uh, people don't
Speaker 1: want to see the same old thing. That doesn't mean
Speaker 1: they don't want to see the same old characters. They
Speaker 1: want to see something new and and and Mowanna was
Speaker 1: literally the same old thing. Mandalorian was not new enough.
Speaker 2: Yep, you know, we'll put We'll put yep uh I
Speaker 2: I I think.
Speaker 1: That it doesn't seem like there's any more like live
Speaker 1: action remax on on the horizon, right. Uh.
Speaker 2: Tangled?
Speaker 1: Is that that that is happening? Yes, but I I
Speaker 1: am threatening that I don't know. I no, no, I've
Speaker 1: seen set pictures of it.
Speaker 2: Okay, but it's funny because I have seen I don't
Speaker 2: I don't have any dog in that fight. But what
Speaker 2: I've seen is people sort of like, oh, okay, well
Speaker 2: we like Tangled. It's been a minute, this could be yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, they're not having the same reaction. I think
Speaker 2: mwana Well let me back up. It seems like Lelo
Speaker 2: and Stid almost all of these there has always been
Speaker 2: a criticism about these being like cynical, you know, cash grabs.
Speaker 2: But Moana I think was the most Yeah. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: the original is not even ten years old, or it
Speaker 2: is exactly ten years old, and it didn't look visually
Speaker 2: like any sort of improvement or you know, I think
Speaker 2: there's something to having a style. Like if you want
Speaker 2: to make a movie that takes place in an exotic
Speaker 2: location and you're going to make it hyper stylized, that's
Speaker 2: a take. But this isn't what that looked like. This
Speaker 2: just looked like, you know, being on a stage and
Speaker 2: just surrounding your actors with stuff later that you weren't
Speaker 2: feeling passionate about. You know. It's like, throw some trees,
Speaker 2: throw some water. They don't look like they're lit to
Speaker 2: be outside. But whatever, everyone's going to go anyway. You know,
Speaker 2: there's just a lot of things working against this movie,
Speaker 2: I think, in particular. Yeah, so I will be curious
Speaker 2: how Tangled does and if Disney's like, all right, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe we we cool it a little bit on these,
Speaker 2: and maybe we still do them, but we dole them
Speaker 2: out a little bit more judiciously.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I mean, wait till we have
Speaker 1: a take. Yeah, I mean I was thinking about Mulan
Speaker 1: and how I mean that that sort of you know,
Speaker 1: that got caught up in all the pandemic stuff. So
Speaker 1: we can't really look at the metrics. But but artistically, right,
Speaker 1: that did try to do something slightly more grounded, right,
Speaker 1: they didn't have a wu shue, you know, for example, right, well,
Speaker 1: they did have like the the you know, like the
Speaker 1: lady transforming to the bird or something. Right, So I
Speaker 1: don't know a little it wasn't like realistic per se.
Speaker 1: But I wonder if Moana doing something closer to that,
Speaker 1: where you're shooting on location and it's and you know
Speaker 1: and and we have the same songs. Sure have, You're
Speaker 1: welcome and and we know the way and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: But like, do it real as opposed to to just
Speaker 1: a different kind of animation, maybe that would have played better.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, and a lot of people are bringing up that
Speaker 2: that movie cost two hundred and fifty million dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and The Odyssey costs two hundred and fifty million dollars. Fascinating,
Speaker 2: And people are like, so what what what happened?
Speaker 1: Well, it was Dwayne Johnson's muscle suit.
Speaker 2: Exactly as Nippoles was.
Speaker 1: That was one hundred and forty seven million dollars.
Speaker 2: Well, there you go.
Speaker 1: I mean we talked about this also, But like I
Speaker 1: just saw the trailer for the new Jumanji that they've
Speaker 1: come out.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Open World.
Speaker 1: I think it's called and And I mean it's been
Speaker 1: seven years since the last one.
Speaker 2: It's just so funny, like my nineties brain. When you
Speaker 2: said it's been I was like, it's been one week
Speaker 2: since you look at me prinky Ladies saw and I
Speaker 2: was like, Brian Bran, snap to attention, we're.
Speaker 1: In now now. Yeah, But I mean, I'm just like
Speaker 1: seven years Is there is there an audience for that?
Speaker 2: Oh wow? I didn't even realize, right, And and it.
Speaker 1: Feels like we're hitting the boundary of what beloved characters
Speaker 1: Dwayne Johnson can reprise.
Speaker 2: You know, I have a question for you. So I
Speaker 2: saw the first one. I thought it was perfectly fine.
Speaker 2: I did not see the second one. I haven't seen
Speaker 2: the trailer by first one, you mean the first ones? Yeah,
Speaker 2: the new one with the Rock and Kevin Hunt everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And part of me feels like I don't even need
Speaker 2: to watch the trailer for three because I can already
Speaker 2: imagine it, you know, So do do do these look
Speaker 2: different enough?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Does this look like a new thing? To your point
Speaker 2: about toy story, It's like, we like these characters and
Speaker 2: we're seeing them do something that looks different, so we
Speaker 2: want to see what that looks like or does this
Speaker 2: look like the third time they're doing the same thing?
Speaker 1: So well, this cast, so I will say I I
Speaker 1: liked I liked the second one quite a bit, Okay,
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it, and so I do like that, you know,
Speaker 1: with each at at they sort of have to come
Speaker 1: up with a new premise to justify getting all these
Speaker 1: characters back, right, and so I think they've come up
Speaker 1: with I mean, just from the trailer, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean that seems interesting, you know, so I appreciate
Speaker 1: that it doesn't feel like Washerin's repeat.
Speaker 2: Okay, And by the way, I have nothing against it.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it so right, No, but but I
Speaker 2: think you're you're you're.
Speaker 1: I think you and I are kind of saying the
Speaker 1: same thing where it's just like, I think it's been
Speaker 1: too long for people to be like, oh, hey, it's
Speaker 1: it's our friends again, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know that these films have really retained a
Speaker 1: spot in the cultural consciousness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And as someone who has not followed them, I'm
Speaker 2: just picturing everyone wearing khaki and being in the jungle, right,
Speaker 2: And I don't know why I need to see that again, right,
Speaker 2: So I'm open to it, but I just need to
Speaker 2: be convinced, I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, i'd be curious what you think after if
Speaker 1: you watch the trailer for the new one, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you for that, Melissa. Here's a note we got
Speaker 1: from Philip Barker. He says, Hey, guys, just wanted to
Speaker 1: chime in and say I have enjoyed listening to your
Speaker 1: commentary tracks this year. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I have not seen Independence Day, Resurgence, No Independence. Your
Speaker 1: commentary provided enough information I needed to know I'd made
Speaker 1: the right decision in not seeing it a decade ago
Speaker 1: or even bothering to. Now, that's right, Brian, That's always
Speaker 1: the trick, right with some of these commentaries. What's that
Speaker 1: like if if it's a movie that people clearly most
Speaker 1: likely have not seen, yes, what can we do you
Speaker 1: and I to sort of to still make sure we
Speaker 1: have a conversation that'll you know, like engage people who
Speaker 1: don't know what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I mean with that one especially, we
Speaker 2: knew most people probably hadn't seen it, so we were like,
Speaker 2: we hope this is a good hang.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, uh, he says, I do remember seeing
Speaker 1: all the advertisements for the original film back in the
Speaker 1: nineties on VHS tapes of other movies. Kind of wild
Speaker 1: to think they used to do that ads and trailers
Speaker 1: of other movies on VHS before the movie starts. It's
Speaker 1: almost like trying to create a theatrical experience at home
Speaker 1: to an extent, but now it seems like a ritual
Speaker 1: loss to time. Yeah, that's so true. Well, just I mean,
Speaker 1: we have we use the music from those yeah bumpers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's our way of keeping that traditional alive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he goes on.
Speaker 1: On the most recent episode, Sean Coyle brought up a
Speaker 1: question regarding the state of James Gunn's DCU, which I appreciated.
Speaker 1: If you've been a dc fan, you know, the trials
Speaker 1: and tribulations of getting these beloved characters right on the
Speaker 1: big screen is often a topic of discussion that can
Speaker 1: feel like one of two things, an interesting dissection of
Speaker 1: our movie studio can have wild ups and downs regarding
Speaker 1: what success looks like, or a straight up war zone
Speaker 1: between different sub factions of fans divided by director loyalty.
Speaker 1: Then I remember, not too long ago, I'd gone back
Speaker 1: into the archives, all the way back to when your
Speaker 1: show started, and I must say it is interesting to
Speaker 1: hear younger Zaki and Brian and Sean talk about movies
Speaker 1: in the past as opposed to now, in which some
Speaker 1: views have changed, for example, Zaki and the Dark Knight Rises.
Speaker 1: That is true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, our first, our very first.
Speaker 1: Episode was about the Dark Knight Rises. Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow, I remember that was the beginning, but I didn't
Speaker 2: know that was the first.
Speaker 1: Wow, our very very first episode. Huh kind of crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those what was it fourteen?
Speaker 2: It's fourteen years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah was that twelve?
Speaker 2: When did that come out?
Speaker 1: Twelve? That was twenty twelve. Yeah, wow, that was the
Speaker 1: last movie I saw at midnight? Oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: By the way, Brian, real quick, I should say that
Speaker 1: episode dropped July twenty ninth, twenty twelve, and recording this
Speaker 1: on July really thirtieth. So yeah, exactly fourteen years ago.
Speaker 2: Well, happy anniversary. Yeah, serious, amazing. I remember having my
Speaker 2: moment where I was like, yeah, I think I'm done
Speaker 2: with midnight movies.
Speaker 1: That was that was me, And that was if you
Speaker 1: remember the Dark Knight movie theater shooting happened. That was
Speaker 1: all around that time.
Speaker 2: You know. Yes, that's right.
Speaker 1: I got a push notification while I was well, you know,
Speaker 1: while the movie was going.
Speaker 2: Wow, you just I remember that. I remember getting that
Speaker 2: news also that night.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So at Phillips Point. So I I U when when
Speaker 1: I watch that movie in twenty twelve, I was not
Speaker 1: a big fan. In the years since, I've grown to
Speaker 1: appreciate it, and I would say now that, in fact
Speaker 1: I do I do like it. I would say I
Speaker 1: like it quite a bit in fact. So you know, change,
Speaker 1: change happens.
Speaker 2: Do you think about that. I've had that recently actually,
Speaker 2: where I think about things I've said on here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then my opinion might change on a second viewing,
Speaker 2: or something happens in my life and I look at
Speaker 2: a piece of art differently because I have broader context.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's and I'll think, oh, I think I said this
Speaker 2: about this thing seven years ago, and it's interesting that
Speaker 2: that's on the record now. But just it happens to everybody,
Speaker 2: you know, our opinions and thoughts evolve and change. And
Speaker 2: do you ever think about that?
Speaker 1: Oh? Constantly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think about the fact that I think when you're younger,
Speaker 1: you feel more, you feel the necessity of being more
Speaker 1: strident in your opinion, whichever way it is.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've found this sure, Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: You know, I encountered with my kids. I'll be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember this movie, like, Yeah, that sucked. I it sucked.
Speaker 1: I just thought it was whatever. No, it sucked right, right,
Speaker 1: And he know, And I'm like I remember being like that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: same right. And and I'm not saying movies don't suck.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I I at this point, I'm able
Speaker 1: to acknowledge the possibility that, well, what I feel today
Speaker 1: might not be what I feel five years from now.
Speaker 1: And so certainly the Dark Knight Rise is like exemplar
Speaker 1: one for that, because I I just went on a
Speaker 1: whole different journey with that movie, you know, and it
Speaker 1: still has flaws, and I can acknowledge those flaws. I
Speaker 1: think you and I we had a great conversation when
Speaker 1: we did our commentary track about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that. That was a good conversation.
Speaker 1: I think it was a good, good track, you know.
Speaker 1: But but I rewatched that trilogy just recently, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, this is this is something I'd credit directly
Speaker 1: to you, because when it came to the Dark Knight trilogy,
Speaker 1: I could not get past oh, why are they doing
Speaker 1: this with Batman? And why are they ending Batman like this?
Speaker 1: And and you, either at that moment or eventually you
Speaker 1: were like, look, that's that Batman, right, and then there's
Speaker 1: going to be a different one, and that's going to
Speaker 1: be that Batman. And you know, you can judge them
Speaker 1: for what they are, but but each of them is
Speaker 1: its own thing. And that was sort of like a
Speaker 1: light bulb over the head moment, you know. But I'm glad,
Speaker 1: I'm glad I went on that journey. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and that's that's how you received it, that
Speaker 2: that was your honest, immediate feelings about it. And it's
Speaker 2: kind of cool that we're still doing this because then
Speaker 2: we can chart, you know, our experience over the years.
Speaker 1: So that leads to phillips question. He says, given the
Speaker 1: current state of the DCU and how Supergirl has spectacularly
Speaker 1: flopped as the DCU second outing, would you two ever
Speaker 1: consider revisiting Batman Versus Superman Town of Justice. This year
Speaker 1: does mark the ten year anniversary of that film's release,
Speaker 1: and it was met with nothing but divisive reactions across
Speaker 1: the board. And as I mentioned earlier, listening to you
Speaker 1: talk about it from the past perspective of the show
Speaker 1: was interesting, to say the least. I wonder, I wonder
Speaker 1: if your views or opinions have changed much, if at all,
Speaker 1: on the film, especially in the wake of the release
Speaker 1: of the Snyder cut of Justice League only five years ago.
Speaker 1: Jesus was that five years ago? Aready? Wow? Holy? It
Speaker 1: was five wow. I've been wanting to but it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's a commitment, it's a time comment. I painted a
Speaker 1: much grander picture of what Zack Snyder was trying to
Speaker 1: achieve during his time working on these characters. I'm sure
Speaker 1: others and I would be very curious to see if
Speaker 1: your perspectives have altered in a decade since. And I'm
Speaker 1: also sure some people would like to forget the film
Speaker 1: even exists. If you, guys, do decide to revisit it,
Speaker 1: would you choose the Theatric cut or the Ultimate Edition,
Speaker 1: which is often regarded as the better version of the
Speaker 1: film to experience way. I love listening to the show
Speaker 1: every week and really appreciated the latest episode regarding Nolan's
Speaker 1: the odyssey, as well as the warm discussion regarding the
Speaker 1: passing of Sam Neil, who will be truly missed. I'll
Speaker 1: also add one of my favorite roles of his outside
Speaker 1: of Jurassic Park, which was as the elder version of
Speaker 1: Damian in the third Omen film, Omen three, The Final Conflict,
Speaker 1: showcasing that even one of the kindest and well renowned
Speaker 1: actors could turn on some dark sensibilities have given the
Speaker 1: material to work with. As a summer movie season comes
Speaker 1: to close, I can't wait to hear your thoughts on
Speaker 1: Spider Man Brand New Day, as well as the other
Speaker 1: films getting ready for release this year, such as Dune
Speaker 1: Part three and of course Avengers Doomsday. Keep up the
Speaker 1: great work, guys, you always have a listener in me.
Speaker 1: All the best, Thank you, Philip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Philip.
Speaker 1: Let's start at the end first, If you want to
Speaker 1: hear our thoughts on the Avengers Doomsday trailer, Hey, well,
Speaker 1: I would suggest going over to our Patreon page.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's was one of our bonus conversations that drops
Speaker 2: exclusively over at patreon dot com. Slash Movie Film podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about that sucker for like a good
Speaker 1: half hour just the trailer. Yeah, fun discussion. So well,
Speaker 1: a couple things. First of all, so I wanted to
Speaker 1: mention about Sam Neil because he mentioned Damien and we're
Speaker 1: talking about d C. Sam Neil was also the visual
Speaker 1: inspiration for the character Maxwell Lord, who is the villain
Speaker 1: in Wonder Woman nineteen eighty four played by Pedro Pascal.
Speaker 1: But in the late eighties when they when there was
Speaker 1: a version of the Justice League where Maxwell Lord was
Speaker 1: like their handler, and he wasn't a bad guy, he
Speaker 1: was just kind of a complicated good guy. And the visual,
Speaker 1: I mean it's clear as that. You can see it
Speaker 1: if you look at the comics from the eighties. Are
Speaker 1: the artist just Kevin maguire, he Drew Sam Neil.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you sent it to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would imagine that at least some of
Speaker 1: that inspiration came from having seen him as Damien an
Speaker 1: omen so Batman Vsus Superman.
Speaker 2: What was that a question?
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let that hang out there.
Speaker 2: No, No, I'd love to.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Philip mentions that it's the tenth anniversary, So
Speaker 1: I did know that, and it is something that was
Speaker 1: on my calendar as a possibility. I think for me,
Speaker 1: and this is not because of how I feel about
Speaker 1: the movie, but sort of how the world feels, I
Speaker 1: kind of want it to ferment a little more, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But I would absolutely be fine
Speaker 1: with revisiting. I think it would make for a fun commentary.
Speaker 1: Absolutely definitely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1: I mean, I rewatched it five years ago in the
Speaker 1: lead up to Snyder's Justice League, and I think I
Speaker 1: could be wrong when I'm pretty sure. When we discussed
Speaker 1: Snyder's Justice League, I talked about the experience of watching
Speaker 1: Man of Steel, Bamman for Superman and then going right
Speaker 1: into the Snyder cut, and I found that a very
Speaker 1: fulfilling experience. I enjoyed that quite a bit. I'd like
Speaker 1: to do that.
Speaker 2: I'd like to go down a journey again.
Speaker 1: I think that makes for a fun trilogy. I watched
Speaker 1: the Ultimate Addition when when I did that, so that's
Speaker 1: certainly the version I would recommend. And again not to
Speaker 1: say I don't see flaws, I do. I think it.
Speaker 1: I think bam Edversuserman is a flawed film. I appreciate
Speaker 1: more many things in it, but but you know, there's
Speaker 1: creative choices that I think ended up kind of biting
Speaker 1: Snyder in the ass. To be honest, you know, in
Speaker 1: addition to Warner Brothers, I don't think he is the
Speaker 1: one to blame solely for everything that happened. I think
Speaker 1: it's just a shit show of epic proportions everywhere at
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers and at least nothing's changed, same old stuff
Speaker 1: over there. But like you know, like you said, look,
Speaker 1: well that's that DC universe. Now we got this one.
Speaker 1: Let's see how this goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, but it's been a minute for me.
Speaker 2: I'd like to go back and rewash this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, it's been it's been five years,
Speaker 1: so I'm I would say, if we come back and
Speaker 1: do a commentary, it'll be another couple of years probably. Okay,
Speaker 1: let it, let it sit, I would say. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we're kind of like working our way through
Speaker 1: different Batman films, right yeah. Yeah, So I mean like
Speaker 1: eventually we'll just end up there. Yeah, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but no, I'm not a posed to it. I'm assuming
Speaker 1: you're not either, No, no, yeah, so I think it'll
Speaker 1: be a fun one down. One last note. This is
Speaker 1: from Alex Nao and he says, greeting Stantz. It's been
Speaker 1: a while since I emailed you, so I thought to
Speaker 1: myself the other day, I need to get back in
Speaker 1: touch with my good pals. Backy and Ryan he means
Speaker 1: Zachi and Brian.
Speaker 2: Thanks Alexa.
Speaker 1: As always, you've done stellar work recently. I was eagerly
Speaker 1: anticipating your episode on the Odyssey, and I was super
Speaker 1: glad to hear you both raved about it. What kind
Speaker 1: of IMAX screens do you two have access to? The
Speaker 1: new one they built this year in Perth is Imax
Speaker 1: with laser. I don't know what that means, but even
Speaker 1: though it wasn't as massive as the true seventy millimeters screens,
Speaker 1: boy oh boy, was it an epic experience watching that film.
Speaker 1: From the early shot of the cameras zooming into the
Speaker 1: Trojan soldiers galloping towards the wooden Horse, I knew Nolan
Speaker 1: had done it again, and the entire sequence with Circe
Speaker 1: is for me easily one of Nolan's best, along with
Speaker 1: the Joker chase in Dark Knight and the twenty seven
Speaker 1: years of video messages in Interstellar. I would love to
Speaker 1: see it again in Imax, but it's a matter of
Speaker 1: the tickets being available before it leaves theaters. With the
Speaker 1: Avengers Doomsday trailer, I have similar feelings to Brian and
Speaker 1: that it didn't quite hook me completely, but I can
Speaker 1: totally see myself being giddy as a school child as
Speaker 1: opening weekend creeps closer and we get to see it
Speaker 1: in the next great innovation in cinematic technology Infinity vision
Speaker 1: Q wow wow too bess out infinity vision, which means
Speaker 1: nothing anyway. Snark aside, There is one curious fan theory
Speaker 1: I've seen a few people mentioned, and I would like
Speaker 1: to get both of your thoughts on if it's not
Speaker 1: too potentially spoilery the sequence in the trailer, Well, it's
Speaker 1: in the trailer, so I think we're fine. Where we
Speaker 1: see Thor and Cap with the hammer. People have said
Speaker 1: that it's actually Loki the version of the TV show
Speaker 1: in disguise as Cap when he first meets Thor, and
Speaker 1: the grin on CAP's face is Loki's satisfaction at him
Speaker 1: finally being worthy of mule Naire. That might be a
Speaker 1: bit too convoluted, but I believe that at the very
Speaker 1: least the shot where Thor says it's not possible, it
Speaker 1: is actually him reacting to seeing Loki, not Cap. What
Speaker 1: do you think and if this isn't when Thor and
Speaker 1: Loki reunit, how would you like to see that moment unfold?
Speaker 1: Many thanks to you for providing the best movie and
Speaker 1: TV podcast on the Interweb's hands down Kindergards. Alex. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Alex Right, I.
Speaker 2: Honestly if that's how the trailer ended, and it was
Speaker 2: a little you know, maybe Thor looking away in disbelief,
Speaker 2: and then we saw his CAP's face warp a little bit.
Speaker 2: I might have been what you know, that might have
Speaker 2: given me a little bit more of a surprise than
Speaker 2: what I feel like I saw otherwise.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's what I wanted to be. I
Speaker 2: don't know who knows, but that's I really like that,
Speaker 2: I don't know, surprise.
Speaker 1: Well, when you think about it, I mean, there's like
Speaker 1: three opportunities that we know of for Thor to say
Speaker 1: it's not possible, right number one Steve Rogers, Number two
Speaker 1: Loki number three doctor Doom who looks just like Tony Stark. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: So that shot could literally be from any one.
Speaker 2: Of those, you know, and you know what, probably I
Speaker 2: bet in their avids they have all three of those versions,
Speaker 2: because from what I hear, they're trying really hard to
Speaker 2: still find the movie.
Speaker 1: That is fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I trust that they will find the movie. Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm certain of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I well, so, I've so what Alex said, that's
Speaker 1: the first time I've heard that theory. I've heard a
Speaker 1: lot of like oh, this is actually evil cap who's
Speaker 1: part of Hydra. And I'm like, no, it's not that.
Speaker 1: That's silly. And if it does turn out to be
Speaker 1: a case, I'm gonna sound like an assholes or here
Speaker 1: it is, But I don't believe that that's the case.
Speaker 1: I think that's just that's just too many Jenga blocks
Speaker 1: that you're piling up.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I feel like there are enough other surprises that are
Speaker 1: likely waiting in the movie that they felt confident putting
Speaker 1: this out there already see.
Speaker 2: And that's what's kind of cool, because yeah, like Alex
Speaker 2: was saying, and I wasn't feeling a lot from the
Speaker 2: trailer because I felt like I wasn't seeing anything I
Speaker 2: haven't seen before. But I know when I watch these movies,
Speaker 2: I always enjoy them. So they're in this funny position
Speaker 2: where I don't need to like the trailer. They already
Speaker 2: have my money, and I think that goes for a
Speaker 2: lot of people, and in a way, that's kind of
Speaker 2: great because then I'm going to go in not no
Speaker 2: getny of these surprises, and they probably they I mean,
Speaker 2: these guys have the Russo Brothers have a great track record,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So in a way, I
Speaker 2: almost prefer it. I would prefer to save that experience
Speaker 2: for when I see the movie.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I think that this trailer did the job
Speaker 1: of making people aware that there's, like the broader audience,
Speaker 1: not the not the online crowd, that there's new Avengers coming.
Speaker 1: And I think I think we mentioned this in the
Speaker 1: in the in our bonus conversation, but I I kind
Speaker 1: of love that that it almost feels like a legacy
Speaker 1: sequel to Endgame. Yeah, right, uh, And so I I
Speaker 1: have a feeling that as that movie's release gets closer,
Speaker 1: I think people are gonna get more excited. I think
Speaker 1: people are gonna dip back in and and start looking
Speaker 1: at the stuff they may have missed or forgotten about.
Speaker 1: And and again, this all hinges on the movie being good.
Speaker 1: So like we're sort of at this moment taking it
Speaker 1: as as a given that it will be good, which
Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't, but for the sake of this discussion
Speaker 1: at this moment, let's assume it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the hope.
Speaker 1: That's the hope.
Speaker 2: Well, and by the way, aren't they putting out a
Speaker 2: special version of Endgame that has additional footage in it
Speaker 2: that I feel like they've said is vital to the
Speaker 2: best enjoyment of Doomsday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like it's just going to be
Speaker 1: like like they're just going to Walter Payton, doctor Doom
Speaker 1: into various scenes like reacting to things happening.
Speaker 2: That's a great deep cut reference. Do you want to
Speaker 2: explain that? All right?
Speaker 1: So, in nineteen eighty six, the Chicago Bears put out
Speaker 1: a video called the Super Bowl Shuffle. This was at
Speaker 1: the start of the season. This is a kind of
Speaker 1: a bit of arrogance on the part of the Bears.
Speaker 1: They were very confident that they were going to win
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, and the whole team was there, I
Speaker 1: forget all the various members, but Walter Payton sweetness was
Speaker 1: not available when they shot it. So they shot it
Speaker 1: against a green screen and they composited him in to
Speaker 1: this video.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty six. Now, I don't know how it
Speaker 1: was perceived back then, but if you watch it now,
Speaker 1: it's clear as day that he's not really there, right right,
Speaker 1: It's like Scarlett Johansson and Captain America Civil Wars, very obvious.
Speaker 1: They got her way later, you know, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I see I just wanted to get this on
Speaker 2: the record, So here it is, and now you can
Speaker 2: use that as shorthand moving forward.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I feel like it'll just be a lot of that.
Speaker 1: It'll be the New Doomsday version of Avengers Endgame, and
Speaker 1: it's just Doctor Doom just like silently reacting to various
Speaker 1: scenes as they happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like something. Yeah, there's like a conversation, group convo,
Speaker 2: and then the camera zooms to like the corner of
Speaker 2: a building and he's.
Speaker 1: Like, uh yeah, like you know, you know, Tony Stark snaps,
Speaker 1: and then we cut to Doctor Doom and he looks
Speaker 1: like Eddie Murphy as mister Robinson, like when the doorbell
Speaker 1: you know. That's that's the version in my head. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that's a specific too.
Speaker 2: I wish people could see it. It's like a real
Speaker 2: oh oh kind of face.
Speaker 1: You got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that, Alex though. Oh and here's Brian.
Speaker 1: Here's two notes we got from Rogier Caprino. So they
Speaker 1: are in reference to, you know, movies that are in
Speaker 1: the conversation right now. Number one, Hi, guys, I finished
Speaker 1: the Odyssey review today. I have little to add, but
Speaker 1: I agree one hundred percent with the praise and thoughts.
Speaker 1: I've always liked Nolan, but the Odyssey made me a fan.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what he does in three years. PS.
Speaker 1: Robert Pattinson and Tom Holland should make more movies together
Speaker 1: and add David corn Sweat to the mix. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: then I followed up the following day with this one.
Speaker 1: Spider Man was great, five out of five, one comic
Speaker 1: book accurate Spidey. Tom really gets the shine in brand
Speaker 1: new Day, and it gave me feeling similar to Superman
Speaker 1: from last year, but in a different way. Tom till
Speaker 1: you're ninety. I'm sure Sony would love that he stuck
Speaker 1: around till he's ninty.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, thank you for that, Rochier, and thank you
Speaker 2: everybody who wrote in. Yes, hey, we got some trailers
Speaker 2: coming soon to theaters.
Speaker 1: All right, well here's one we have talked about. You
Speaker 1: and I we've mentioned in a few episodes in Hush Tones.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Clayface. Yes. So this is the latest,
Speaker 1: the next I should say, DC Universe theatrical movie. It's
Speaker 1: coming up October, just in time for folloween. Written by
Speaker 1: Mike Flanagan. Yeah, yeah, who I like I'm I'm a
Speaker 1: fan of his. I like Doctor Sleep quite a bit.
Speaker 1: Why don't we play some of the audio from this trailer?
Speaker 2: What do you want, miss Chagan? I want my life back.
Speaker 1: I know you you're famous. It's a tragedy and what
Speaker 1: they did to him boo, I'd like to volunteer for
Speaker 1: human trust. This isn't cosmetic surgery.
Speaker 2: Even if he kills me, I'll be better off than
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: Now, Okay, Brian, how are you feeling about this? So
Speaker 1: for those of you who don't know, and the trailer
Speaker 1: doesn't relea say anything, but clay Face is a Batman villain,
Speaker 1: so we're doing the thing. Obviously, we did Joker in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen and we got a billion dollars. What other
Speaker 1: Batman villains can we make a movie out of? And
Speaker 1: so they've landed on this. However, unlike Joker, this is
Speaker 1: part of the universe, right, your thoughts, I'm actually very
Speaker 1: curious about your thoughts.
Speaker 2: Well, I know Clayface kind of from the cartoon. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I had not watched that since I was a kid. Really,
Speaker 2: and then I read the Batman nineteen eighty nine sequel
Speaker 2: book recently. Oh okay, and clay Face, Isn't that Clayface
Speaker 2: is the villain in that movie or movie in that book,
Speaker 2: And so that was kind of a reintroduction for me
Speaker 2: with him, and you're in his head because it's a book,
Speaker 2: and I got really endeared to him actually, and I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, he's a little twisted, but he's occasionally sympathetic.
Speaker 1: So just to be clear, this is the novel that
Speaker 1: you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to script past the fact that
Speaker 2: I can't remember his title.
Speaker 1: It's like Resurrection. There's a few, right, there's like two
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, Resurrection, Resurrection okay, by John Jackson Miller.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not to be confused with the Batman eighty nine
Speaker 1: c qual comic correct correct, Okay.
Speaker 2: And so I was like, yeah, I like this character.
Speaker 2: And then when I heard they were going to make
Speaker 2: a movie, and then I saw this trailer, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is it kind of feels like the substance in
Speaker 2: the Batman universe or something kind of a body horror.
Speaker 2: Someone who I mean, you could call it vanity, but
Speaker 2: also maybe just wants to return to a life they
Speaker 2: once knew. So they're taking extreme measures and it's screwing
Speaker 2: up their appearance and maybe breaking their brains a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think that is a movie that I I'm very
Speaker 2: interested in that. I like the small approach, I like
Speaker 2: the darker tone. I do question this being the third
Speaker 2: DC movie, Yeah, especially following Supergirl, which they couldn't have
Speaker 2: anticipated when they decided to do this. They played this
Speaker 2: trailer before Spider Man. The second time I watched it,
Speaker 2: and as they reveal that, oh, his face is melting
Speaker 2: and he's gonna take scissors and cut them open, my
Speaker 2: friend next to me went ew and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: you lost her, Like you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: this isn't gonna be for everybody. You really, this is
Speaker 2: a limited audience for this one, I think. And had
Speaker 2: Supergirl been a really big hit for them, you could
Speaker 2: sort of get away with these smaller, quirkier more you know,
Speaker 2: these characters are movies that you know. James Gunn is like,
Speaker 2: this is up his alley, this is his flavor, and
Speaker 2: he gets to do his thing, one for them, one
Speaker 2: for me. But I I don't know. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: how this is going to play, and I don't know
Speaker 2: how well this is or what this is going to do.
Speaker 2: For the DC narrative right now. Yeah, but you know
Speaker 2: it's like dark Man kind of right. I'm into watching
Speaker 2: a movie kind of like dark Man, but sure that
Speaker 2: might not be the best they're hoping for out of this.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you well, I should mention real quick
Speaker 1: Tom Reese Harries, who plays Clay Face aka Matt Hagan
Speaker 1: the actor. I just saw him in The Return like
Speaker 1: two nights ago.
Speaker 2: Oh funny, just random.
Speaker 1: Uh, I I've said before, I think this is in
Speaker 1: our bonus episode. I don't understand why they're going so
Speaker 1: early with this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, this feels like after you're able to do
Speaker 2: a victory lap and be like, hey, check this out.
Speaker 2: We're gonna make this small, smaller Batman villain you may
Speaker 2: not even have heard of, and make a great little
Speaker 2: horror movie out of it, but maybe not third movie
Speaker 2: out of the.
Speaker 1: Gate, right, And I'm not saying this will end up
Speaker 1: in this way, but I get like Sony Marvel villain
Speaker 1: movie vibes a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, sure, right.
Speaker 1: It feels a little Craven to me.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, right, like and pre watching Craven or
Speaker 2: post watching Craven.
Speaker 1: Good point, uh, pre in that I could not have
Speaker 1: anticipated Craven would be as awful as it was, but
Speaker 1: you watched the trailer, and at least from the trailer,
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I'm willing to go with this,
Speaker 1: I guess, but why isn't Spider Man in this?
Speaker 2: Totally?
Speaker 1: Totally? And what I said after watching Craven was I
Speaker 1: think everything in Craven would have been a great B
Speaker 1: story in a Spider Man movie, right, And from watching
Speaker 1: this trailer, I'm like, well, it feels like a pretty
Speaker 1: good B story in a Batman movie. You know. Actually,
Speaker 1: I kind of wish this was the Batman movie, right,
Speaker 1: like this guy, Yeah, that's interesting to me, you know.
Speaker 1: So I you know, I think that I think by
Speaker 1: and large, Joker really like Pete in the Pool in
Speaker 1: that it like it got them thinking, oh, we can
Speaker 1: just do this with with all of these characters, right,
Speaker 1: and I don't. I think for every for every Joker
Speaker 1: slash Venom, there's about fifty, you know, fifty Cravens. And
Speaker 1: I think Clay Faces an interesting Batman villain and that's
Speaker 1: about the extent of it, right, right. I think it's
Speaker 1: smart they didn't spend more than forty million, but I
Speaker 1: don't think they're going to be making a huge probit
Speaker 1: unless the movie is extraordinary.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking, Like, I would like to hope
Speaker 2: that this is a cool, darker character piece in a
Speaker 2: superhero universe that is intriguing to me. So I'm hoping
Speaker 2: it's it's good, But I still find it a curious decision.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just odd, you know. Yeah, And I was.
Speaker 2: Thinking during the trailer because it is like Joker right
Speaker 2: where you're you're focused on the quote unquote villain as
Speaker 2: the main character, so you're gonna get somewhat you know,
Speaker 2: his point of view at the very least, and you know,
Speaker 2: probably hoping he'll things will turn around in his life.
Speaker 2: And I was picturing this guy and everything he's going through,
Speaker 2: and he's like, I lost my job, I lost my life,
Speaker 2: I lost my face. And then I was just picturing
Speaker 2: Batman dropping down in front of him and being like booh,
Speaker 2: and then punching him in the face. And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's kind of strange when you make the villains the protagonists,
Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: See this is you know you talk about Batman the
Speaker 1: animated series. I think that show just mastered it right.
Speaker 1: How to how to give the villains just enough of
Speaker 1: a sympathetic backstory where where you feel a certain amount
Speaker 1: of pain thos, but you're still invested in Batman stopping them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And whether we're talking about Clayface or Mister Freeze or
Speaker 1: two Face the Mad Hatter, I just go on and on.
Speaker 1: You know, Riddler, that show was able to do that
Speaker 1: so consistently. Well that not just I mean, this is
Speaker 1: not a problem that's new to this Clayface movie. I
Speaker 1: mean it's a problem that Batman films have themselves struggled with,
Speaker 1: because once you've done as good of a Mister Freeze
Speaker 1: as the animated series, well well nothing the movie movies
Speaker 1: could do would measure up right. And that's why the
Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger one was whatever it was right right. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I I I find it odd more than anything. It's
Speaker 1: an odd choice, and I'm happy to be proven wrong.
Speaker 1: Just to be clear, I would love nothing more for
Speaker 1: the movie to be a pleasant surprise, but it the
Speaker 1: trailer grossed me out, and if not for the Batman connection,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be watching it at all. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: that said, I mean, as we record this, we're about
Speaker 1: a week out from the next DC Universe thing, which
Speaker 1: is Lanterns coming up on HBO or HBO Max. And
Speaker 1: and you know, I think that's a good example of
Speaker 1: what has been guns stated approach, which is take familiar
Speaker 1: DC characters and put them in sort of genres that
Speaker 1: would you wouldn't expect them in. Right, So if they
Speaker 1: really knocked that out, you know, maybe that'll that'll reset
Speaker 1: my expectations for this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: Anyway, that is coming up in October, but just a
Speaker 1: month before that, just in time for my birthday. As
Speaker 1: a matter of right, we've got the new eight twenty
Speaker 1: four release Primetime starring Robert Pattinson as Chris Hanson. Man,
Speaker 1: what a what a weird sentence?
Speaker 2: I know, I know. It is funny where these things,
Speaker 2: these news stories or news personalities from our youth are
Speaker 2: now the subjects of movies. Yeah, you know, it's kind
Speaker 2: of strange.
Speaker 1: Well, let's play some of the audio from this.
Speaker 2: Okay, are you sure your parents are known? I'm sure,
Speaker 2: Big night planned? Who are you? And she have a
Speaker 2: seat right there. I'm Chris Hansen with Dayline NBC, and
Speaker 2: we're doing a story on adults who try to meet
Speaker 2: teens online.
Speaker 1: You see how this looks, right, I don't really like your.
Speaker 2: Show, but America loves it, so I need to move.
Speaker 3: To Catch a Predator nine pm, five times gonna be
Speaker 3: bigger than.
Speaker 1: Loss alrighty, so I should mention So this this movie
Speaker 1: is based on I'm assuming it's like a heavily dramatized
Speaker 1: version of the behind the scenes of the To Catch
Speaker 1: a Predator investigations that Dateline did. And I mentioned this
Speaker 1: on on the program a few months ago, but you know,
Speaker 1: they they just recently came out with a documentary about
Speaker 1: that whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I watched it on your recommendation.
Speaker 1: Right, so it certainly it's the it's all all of
Speaker 1: that is very fresh in my mind. So it's cool
Speaker 1: now to see this film, and you know, I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to comparing cresting. What did you think of that documentary?
Speaker 2: By the way, I was just googling it called predator right,
Speaker 2: Predators Predators? Okay, I liked it quite a bit. I
Speaker 2: mean because we might have talked about this, but I mean,
Speaker 2: this show was a phenomenon when it happened, and it
Speaker 2: was it's so interesting, so many new genres were basically
Speaker 2: born in that moment, as reality TV was exploding. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, just playing with the fort you had like
Speaker 2: Survivor in the real world and things. But then people
Speaker 2: were like, what if we tweaked it? Like what if
Speaker 2: we made a show that looked like The Bachelor, but
Speaker 2: the guy really wasn't a millionaire? Wouldn't that be funny?
Speaker 2: And every you know, like they were just playing with it,
Speaker 2: and then this felt like sort of a strange twist
Speaker 2: on reality, but also it had this like veneer of
Speaker 2: integrity where it was like, well, what if we make
Speaker 2: this hidden camera scenario where we lure these child predators
Speaker 2: into a house and we confront them and say what
Speaker 2: were you thinking? And they're literally going to be on
Speaker 2: camera and there's a you know, Chris Hansen, the dayline host,
Speaker 2: will come out and interrogate this person and then they'll
Speaker 2: be arrested in front of our eyes. And so we're
Speaker 2: getting to witness this weird sort of thing we know
Speaker 2: exists but have never actually seen. And there's also like
Speaker 2: a strange bit of like I don't know, like satisfaction
Speaker 2: and seeing these people taken down. And so I watched
Speaker 2: this show all the time. I mean, it was a
Speaker 2: humungous hit when it came out. So the Predator's documentary
Speaker 2: was interesting because they were like, yes, we don't want
Speaker 2: these people out there interacting with children or anything, but
Speaker 2: let's like dig into it, like, let's take a closer
Speaker 2: look at some of these people who maybe we're walking
Speaker 2: up to a mistake, but with the right guidance, would
Speaker 2: have walked it back right right.
Speaker 1: And so it's.
Speaker 2: It's difficult because every case is different, right, But it
Speaker 2: was just sort of like, let's just think about this
Speaker 2: a little let's talk about it a little bit. And
Speaker 2: I found that very interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is one one moment in the documentary where
Speaker 1: they they they talked to the many of the people
Speaker 1: who served as decoys. Yes, and so they they were
Speaker 1: of age, but they were able to, you know, give
Speaker 1: off vibes of being somebody under age, and so you know,
Speaker 1: they were putting that that role. And and there was
Speaker 1: there was one decoy she talked about being being situated
Speaker 1: on a on a beach and one of the targets
Speaker 1: was gonna, you know, meet her on the beach and
Speaker 1: and she talked to him for a little bit and
Speaker 1: she she kind of kind of what you were saying,
Speaker 1: She got the sense that this guy is just like
Speaker 1: lonely and not fully aware of like what what is
Speaker 1: about to happen?
Speaker 2: Right, And of course it's it's delicate because it's like
Speaker 2: these people did show.
Speaker 1: Up, right, I mean it's tricky, right, It's it's complicated,
Speaker 1: no doubt. And but but she talks about in hindsight
Speaker 1: where she was she just wanted to be like just
Speaker 1: just just go.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, because she was like he was
Speaker 2: about my age. Yeah, he was lost, he needed help.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And and so you know that documentary. I found
Speaker 1: it fascinating. It wasn't perfect. I think I think there
Speaker 1: were some some blind spots there, but I as a
Speaker 1: look into a phenomenon that I remember quite well, you know,
Speaker 1: from from twenty years ago thereabouts. I found it interesting.
Speaker 1: And then and then this this trailer drops. I saw
Speaker 1: the teaser like a month or so ago, and I
Speaker 1: had no idea this movie was coming. And I'm like, man, fascinating,
Speaker 1: like just the pipeline, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and Lance Oppenheim, who's the director. He was born
Speaker 1: in ninety six. That means he was like ten. To
Speaker 1: Catch a Predator first aired, you know, wow, he's a documentarian.
Speaker 1: This is his feature debut, but you got you got
Speaker 1: Patinson him again, just like this killer Chris Hansen impression.
Speaker 2: I remember the teaser. I was like, oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I can kind of see it. And then in this one,
Speaker 2: this trailer in particular, I was like, whoa, he looks
Speaker 2: like he's got the voice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the documentary. I mean they interview Chris Hansen.
Speaker 2: Yes, and.
Speaker 1: That is a fascinating segment because you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't glaze him, No, no, not at all,
Speaker 1: nor does it condemn him. I mean it's kind of
Speaker 1: it's it's sort of him reckoning with it's the documentary
Speaker 1: pointing the complicated legacy of Predator at him and asking
Speaker 1: him to reckon with it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think a word we haven't said yet. That's
Speaker 2: a big part of this is exploitation. Yes, exactly is
Speaker 2: this is this exploitation for entertainment? Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 2: I guess this would be spoilers to talk about, but
Speaker 2: there is an event that happens, something goes south in
Speaker 2: one of these things, and from the trailer, I think
Speaker 2: it's pretty clear that's going to be the arc of this, right,
Speaker 2: I recognize it because of the documentary.
Speaker 1: Because of the doc. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm so interested
Speaker 1: in seeing this. I have no idea how the movie
Speaker 1: is going to turn out. I'm curious how much they
Speaker 1: they dial up the sort of you know, manufactured drama.
Speaker 2: Well, it definitely looks more stylized than I was imagining, right,
Speaker 2: which I'm fine with. But yeah, it looks like it's
Speaker 2: going for a vibe for sure.
Speaker 1: Vibe. There you go. But yeah, so this is one
Speaker 1: of four patentson joints just in this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and it sounds like we're both looking forward
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm open to it. Like I said, it drops
Speaker 1: on my birthday, so quite the quite the present for me.
Speaker 2: Well we can. We could go see this and go
Speaker 2: get a cupcake afterwards.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: It' stop buy nothing bunt cakes.
Speaker 1: I'm ready.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, hey, we got some headlines extra, what a scoop?
Speaker 3: So how does this sound?
Speaker 1: Imagine that you have a movie that is hidden away
Speaker 1: in a vault and somebody executes a heist of some
Speaker 1: kind to steal that movie. Yes, sounds like the plot
Speaker 1: of a pretty good movie.
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 1: Starring Nicholas Cage. One might say, well, I'd watch that
Speaker 1: but what if said movie stars Nicholas Cage.
Speaker 2: What.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the that's the real life scenario we're
Speaker 1: dealing with, is a And of course Netflix is at
Speaker 1: the center of this. So this is This is from
Speaker 1: from page six, which says that a film that was
Speaker 1: a stored on a heart drive in Netflix called Fortitude
Speaker 1: has been lifted because the hard drive has gone missing.
Speaker 2: Yes, so this is, as I understand it, an independently
Speaker 2: made movie and they were hoping to get distributors, so
Speaker 2: they gave copies of their movie around town on these
Speaker 2: hard drives, and the hard drive that was left at
Speaker 2: Netflix went missing and they have no idea where it is.
Speaker 1: So the movie stars Nicholas Cage. It's a World War
Speaker 1: two drama. And this I'm just reading from the pieces
Speaker 1: is one indie director was agast at Netflix's alleged sloppiness
Speaker 1: and subsequent response. I think it's such a suspicious situation,
Speaker 1: and for Netflix to claim in an email that it
Speaker 1: was stolen and they don't know how or by whom,
Speaker 1: and there's nothing they can do about it is legitimately scary.
Speaker 1: The director notes, I feel for the Fortitude filmmakers. This
Speaker 1: could tank a big sale for.
Speaker 2: Them, right, and they are suing Netflix right for one
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty five million dollars.
Speaker 1: Which I hope they get that because I think that's
Speaker 1: the most money they're liable to make off of this movie.
Speaker 2: Yes, this could be the payout they weren't expecting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but uh, maybe they were hoping for. But Netflix has
Speaker 2: said that that doesn't feel right to them because it
Speaker 2: looks like instead of trying to work to figure this
Speaker 2: thing out or bring investigators in, it's like immediately they're
Speaker 2: suddenly wind over one hundred million dollars and that doesn't
Speaker 2: feel like they're working in good faith. So that's that's
Speaker 2: Netflix's counter to that.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, of course they're going to say that, but
Speaker 1: they're the ones who who managed this right. Like It's
Speaker 1: it's like if a museum is lent, you know, the
Speaker 1: Mona Lisa, right, and it goes missing, you know, and
Speaker 1: then they're told, hey, pay up, you know, mm hmm,
Speaker 1: well you're not helping us find it. That's not very nice, right, right, right, right, right?
Speaker 2: This is presenting both sides in the story.
Speaker 1: It's it's, uh, I know, I get it because because
Speaker 1: I mean, I doubt they plan for this to happen,
Speaker 1: of course, but I think this this to me, first
Speaker 1: of all, it sounds like the plot of a pretty
Speaker 1: killer Nicholas Cage movie.
Speaker 2: This needs to be a Nicholas Cage movie about this,
Speaker 2: Like he is Nicholas Cage.
Speaker 1: Kind of like to that that one from a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bearable weight of being massive talent, massive talent said
Speaker 2: something else. It doesn't matter anyway, but yes, he should
Speaker 2: start as himself where his movie has been stolen from Netflix,
Speaker 2: and he's like, I'll get it back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, everybody get out of the way. We'll
Speaker 1: figure this out. I I feel like, to me, this
Speaker 1: just points to the problem when we when you know,
Speaker 1: increasingly the industry has shipped towards this, this streaming centric model. Sure. Uh, now,
Speaker 1: obviously you have a movie on a hard drive that
Speaker 1: could have happened anywhere, but it didn't have to be Netflix.
Speaker 1: But I think Netflix is financially in a position where
Speaker 1: they like they can, they can lawyer up in a
Speaker 1: way where you know, I'd be very curious if the
Speaker 1: filmmakers see anything back from this, and and how does
Speaker 1: something like that happen?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, you think of the links
Speaker 2: they go through to you know, share a Stranger Things
Speaker 2: episode with you or something, right, and just that this
Speaker 2: hard drive with this original movie on it just disappeared
Speaker 2: and they have and this it was it was one
Speaker 2: of a few, right, it wasn't the only one that.
Speaker 1: Was I mean that the only copy? Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I mean that was stolen? Right, didn't
Speaker 2: they say there was a bunch of hard drives that
Speaker 2: went missings? So yeah, I wonder what the story is there?
Speaker 2: I mean inside job? Did someone swipe it? And now
Speaker 2: they are holding all these movies ransom? Like, what what
Speaker 2: is the story here?
Speaker 1: Did did Ethan hunt you know, lower down and you
Speaker 1: know in a clean room?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, the guy who was in charge of the
Speaker 2: drives kept getting up sick and running to the bathroom
Speaker 2: over and over again.
Speaker 1: And then Netflix shipped him off to Alaska after the You.
Speaker 2: Know what's great, It turns out he found his real
Speaker 2: life up there there you go.
Speaker 1: It's raising some dogs, lovemanth all of his life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: best thing that ever happened, turns out all because of
Speaker 1: that Nick Cage movie. So we'll see if Netflix has
Speaker 1: the fortitude that would stand this lawsuit.
Speaker 2: Back to you Brian, I like that as our new transition.
Speaker 1: Other news. Now this broke just this morning. Now. Now,
Speaker 1: the last Jurassic World film, Jurassic World Rebirths from last year.
Speaker 1: I think, well, my senses, you had a complicated relationship.
Speaker 2: With that film. I found things to enjoy in it,
Speaker 2: but overall I didn't love it.
Speaker 1: I feel like that speaks for the broad right, the
Speaker 1: mass of the movie going public. Sure, sure, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean people showed up. Oh, I mean they always will
Speaker 1: and I will too.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to stop going to Jurassic Park movies
Speaker 2: because I didn't like the last one, clearly. I mean,
Speaker 2: when this is Jurassic World four, we have three Jurassic Parks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it made like eight hundred million, like it
Speaker 1: did well? Yeah uh, and it did well enough for
Speaker 1: Universal to lock in the actors to have them come back.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I think it's this new trio with your Scar Joe
Speaker 1: and your Jonathan Bailey and you're maherschel Ali.
Speaker 2: Which by the way, is great. I liked those three people.
Speaker 2: I wish they had made more compelling characters for them.
Speaker 1: I guess I definitely agree with that.
Speaker 2: When I think of Jurassic Park, I think of the
Speaker 2: characters as much as I think of the dinosaurs and
Speaker 2: the set pieces, you know, so I just wish they
Speaker 2: could make that formula work again.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, so Jurassic Park is sort of like rarefied air.
Speaker 1: I think we've long established on this show that well,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just nothing, nothing ever touches that, yep.
Speaker 1: And so you know, he sort of, you know, just
Speaker 1: muddle along through the next run. But I mean people
Speaker 1: turn up and they do well. Now, Jurassic World Rebirth,
Speaker 1: originally it was going to be directed by David Leech.
Speaker 1: I think, oh, that's right, yeah, right, And then he
Speaker 1: dropped out and then Gareth Edwards came in at the
Speaker 1: eleventh hour and carried it across the finish line. And
Speaker 1: I would say, this is me Gareth Edwards did a
Speaker 1: good job doing what he does, considering how late in
Speaker 1: the game he came.
Speaker 2: In, I agree. I mean I liked the way it looked.
Speaker 2: I just didn't love the script, I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so when they announced the sequel, the plan was, oh,
Speaker 1: Edward's gonna come back, and now he gets to be
Speaker 1: there from the beginning to help develop the story. And
Speaker 1: that was all well and good until this morning, when
Speaker 1: according to Variety, Gareth Edwards has exited the Dress World
Speaker 1: sequel over wait for it, creative differences. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know what those differences would entail. I think universal is
Speaker 1: probably like we want dinosaurs, and what would he have said?
Speaker 1: I prefer fish, Like what's the.
Speaker 2: Well Gareth Edwards. Not to over use this expression, but
Speaker 2: Gareth Edwards is a vibe and I mean I do
Speaker 2: feel like that's applicable. Like he really does bring a
Speaker 2: specific aesthetic to everything he does. There's a real earthyness
Speaker 2: to his movies that feature other worldly things whatever. Like
Speaker 2: remember The Creator was his last original movie, which has
Speaker 2: just an incredible aesthetic and world building and designs and
Speaker 2: character designs and everything. But I remember the story feeling
Speaker 2: like I want it so close, like I want it
Speaker 2: to come together to meet how amazing this looks. And
Speaker 2: I feel like that's something that happens to him occasionally.
Speaker 2: I mean, you look at one also, right, Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I can't say I'm super surprised. I feel like
Speaker 2: for him, I still want him to direct movies because again,
Speaker 2: he brings something that he has a voice that's interesting
Speaker 2: that other people don't have. But he might need to
Speaker 2: be paired with a strong screenwriter.
Speaker 1: Sure, and Universal was like, we're not giving you a
Speaker 1: strong screenwriter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe he wanted to do his own thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Well, well, I think in all seriousness, I mean, David Kep,
Speaker 1: who wrote the last one, he's coming back, and so
Speaker 1: I think that sort of establishes the pecking order. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: you know, because because Edwards was brought in to direct
Speaker 1: the script David Kep wrote. And so you've essentially got
Speaker 1: a situation where you've got Steven Spielberg at the top
Speaker 1: of the pyramid.
Speaker 2: Who just directed a movie written by David Kepp.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right, and then David Kepp in the lower tier,
Speaker 1: and then the director comes in and shoots what Spielberg
Speaker 1: and Kep have agreed on. Right, that's my guess of
Speaker 1: how this all went down, right, And so I think
Speaker 1: in a way this is helpful because it tells it
Speaker 1: tells you, well, it tells future whatever director they end
Speaker 1: up with, what they can expect.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why you get a Trevarro, right, someone
Speaker 2: who popped in a smaller film. You know, he's got
Speaker 2: he brings some interesting things, and he's mouldable. Edwards might
Speaker 2: be a little further along than that, right.
Speaker 1: And that's a great point. Now, this is this is
Speaker 1: from the Variety article. It says, although the property remains popular,
Speaker 1: Jurassic is experiencing some diminishing returns at the box office.
Speaker 1: Universal's original Jurssic Park spinoff trilogy, anchored by Chris Pratt
Speaker 1: and Brycetius Howard, launched with twenty four teens Dress World,
Speaker 1: concluded with twenty twenty two's Dress World Dominion, all of
Speaker 1: which eclipsed one billion in global ticket sales. These movies
Speaker 1: are enormously expensive, with production budgets that regularly soar above
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty million dollars. Now, I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: there was a drop off from Dominion to this one,
Speaker 1: but like, I know, nobody should be panicking over it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, people still show up.
Speaker 1: But I think fundamentally the problem that the last movie
Speaker 1: did not lick is what what makes this new presumably
Speaker 1: trilogy worth doing? Like, what is it about it?
Speaker 2: You know, that's a great point because I don't even
Speaker 2: remember what the store.
Speaker 1: Is, right, I mean, it's it's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, goddamn, what I mean, Jurassic World. Say what you
Speaker 2: want if you like it or not it's the park opened. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I even felt like Chris Pratt's character wasn't quite
Speaker 2: where I wanted him to be, but I remember him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I remember Bryce Dallas Howard. I remember their roles. I
Speaker 2: remember their types at least, and the way they bounced
Speaker 2: off of one another. So you know that was a
Speaker 2: takee take hold on.
Speaker 1: So I I last saw it last summer.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you need to take like a little pocket
Speaker 2: watch and hypnotize you and bring it out.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm trying to. I'm like, what was it? Okay, No, no, no, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm like, why did they because it's not it's not
Speaker 1: either of the previous islands, right, it's like a new place.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: The dinosaurs are dying. They're all over the world, but
Speaker 1: they're dying.
Speaker 2: Oh right, because you see the one by a freeway
Speaker 2: that's right keeled over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're only thriving in certain like equatorial areas.
Speaker 2: Okay, and.
Speaker 1: Oh that right, it's Remember it's that guy who's like
Speaker 1: kind of like like Julian McMahon light and he's like,
Speaker 1: we want to get like DNA from these dinosaurs to
Speaker 1: help us make medicine. Remember, mmmm, Yes, right. So Jonathan
Speaker 1: Bailey is like the they go to him because he
Speaker 1: knows which ones to get or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's coming back, right.
Speaker 1: And and then and then they go to the island
Speaker 1: and and uh, yeah, there's the family. This is hilarious,
Speaker 1: this is It wasn't that long ago. I know, I
Speaker 1: know there's a family that washes up on on the
Speaker 1: same island, right, I remember that there, right, And and
Speaker 1: there's the big the big headed the t rex with
Speaker 1: the with the gigantism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the dumb dumbsaurus.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. And then Marshall Ali. We think he dies,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't. That's that's all I remember.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I yes, that family, right, They their boat capsized
Speaker 2: or something, right, and then they washed up on the
Speaker 2: island and they just get kind of shoehorned into the adventure,
Speaker 2: even though I did kind of enjoy that because I
Speaker 2: like seeing real people dealing with dinosaurs.
Speaker 1: See. And I want to be clear, I remember not
Speaker 1: minding the movie. I thought it was all right, but
Speaker 1: I don't remember much about.
Speaker 2: It, yeah, or just the character types just weren't as
Speaker 2: distinctive as I would.
Speaker 1: Well, look, here's the thing, this is, this is the
Speaker 1: unfortunate realities. We're just never gonna get Grant Sadler and
Speaker 1: Malcolm again. Yeah, and and it you know, and and
Speaker 1: I'm actually very curious in all seriousness. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a franchise that's more than thirty years old at
Speaker 1: this point. How do modern audiences plug in it? Like, like,
Speaker 1: like kids, I don't know, yeah, Like, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: like the movies do well. Obviously they would they wouldn't
Speaker 1: keep going. And and I think they can all be
Speaker 1: expected to do reasonably well because they are a multi
Speaker 1: generational theatrical experience.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But you know how like we talk about Star Wars
Speaker 1: prequel kids, they're like, well, that's their Star Wars, right.
Speaker 1: Is there something similar with Jurassic World?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I have no idea, Like, oh, when that's my guy?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Right, I have no idea.
Speaker 2: Well, and I'm curious how the End of Oak Street
Speaker 2: is going to do because regardless of what that's about,
Speaker 2: it's a dinosaur movie. So will people show up for
Speaker 2: a dinosaur movie or is there something to the name
Speaker 2: Jurassic Park? Interesting?
Speaker 1: Curious, very curious. Yeah, Well, anyway, the film itself, I
Speaker 1: mean it's supposed to come out next year, I think, wow, okay,
Speaker 1: next year or no pressure. Actually actually wait last year. No,
Speaker 1: probably twenty twenty eight. I'm guessing if they don't even
Speaker 1: have a director. Yeah, I'm sure they'll do well, though,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure, but I will say I was
Speaker 1: looking forward to Garrett Edwards getting to come up with
Speaker 1: an idea or be involved with the idea from the
Speaker 1: ground up. So it is kind of kind of bumming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to see someone who has a take.
Speaker 1: Who has a take? Yeah, maybe it's Brian Hall, maybe
Speaker 1: Techi's on Universal call Us.
Speaker 2: Hey, we should we should be like the Coen Brothers.
Speaker 2: We should team up?
Speaker 1: Why not? Yeah? Why not? We can we can be
Speaker 1: like the Daniels, Yeah, exactly, or the Russo's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got this.
Speaker 1: And the Watchhouse Keys. That's right, speaking of the Watchhousekis.
Speaker 1: By the way, I just saw that Warner Brothers has
Speaker 1: a Matrix five on the calendar for for I think
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2: I saw that because it's been discussed for a while
Speaker 2: that they're developing it, but now it's it's happening.
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, well it's it's uh, you know the guy
Speaker 1: he wrote Hill Mary what's his name?
Speaker 2: Oh Goddard, Yeah, Drew Goddard. He's he's doing it. Very cool,
Speaker 2: very curious. I mean, where do you take the story?
Speaker 2: Does it involve Kean Reeves and Carrion Moss?
Speaker 1: And I mean certainly the fourth film was intended, at
Speaker 1: least by by Lana Wachowski as a statement on how
Speaker 1: they feel about continuing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So is this a continuation or is this
Speaker 2: meanwhile on another side of the of Zion? You know
Speaker 2: that's right? Yeah, very curious about that. Yeah, same, But.
Speaker 1: Why why are they making these movies? Because sequels make money?
Speaker 1: How do we know this? Because Spider Man Brand New
Speaker 1: Day has made all the money. If there is money
Speaker 1: to be made, Spider Man has made it, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's broken every record with this movie, it seems. Well.
Speaker 1: So the first week of Spider Man Brand New Day
Speaker 1: is the biggest in box office history.
Speaker 2: Amazing, It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm looking at a Hollywood reporter here, high
Speaker 1: scoresing first weekend domestic box office history five hundred million
Speaker 1: dollars in North America. And it's for seven days and
Speaker 1: heading into weekend two, even if it drops by sixty percent,
Speaker 1: which is possible, it would still end up with something
Speaker 1: like one hundred and fifty million dollars for its second weekend,
Speaker 1: unbelievable domestically, when you factor in international, it was I
Speaker 1: think just under a billion dollars. So I mean it
Speaker 1: literally made Avengers Endgame money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I will say.
Speaker 1: I was surprised by that. Not that I didn't expect
Speaker 1: it to be a hit. I assumed it would do well.
Speaker 1: But when you say Avengers Endgame money, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of money.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I would even expect it to do
Speaker 2: extraordinarily well because Spider Man always does well. But yes,
Speaker 2: like rivaling the one of the highest grossing movies of
Speaker 2: all time right out of the gate is crazy.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean an endgame arrived as the culmination of
Speaker 1: ten years or eleven years. And you know, however, many
Speaker 1: movies of anticipation, a year of build up after Infinity War, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Brand New Day did not have all of that, and
Speaker 1: yet it, you know it, it did better than Spider
Speaker 1: Man No Way Home. That's amazing. I mean, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely fascinated by this because I mean, there have
Speaker 1: been Spider Man movies for twenty four years now and
Speaker 1: as you said, I mean they all, even the bad ones,
Speaker 1: have done reasonably well. So what do we attribute this to?
Speaker 2: People love Spider Man. I know it sounds simple, but
Speaker 2: I actually my parents when a big movie comes out,
Speaker 2: they usually wait at least a week two, maybe even
Speaker 2: three because they want to avoid crowds. But my parents went,
Speaker 2: they've already seen Spider Man. Really they want to see
Speaker 2: Spider Man like, that's to me, that's what that's what
Speaker 2: it's about this character.
Speaker 1: Well, I know our listeners are waiting for a pops
Speaker 1: haul review. Oh I have it, let's hear it. Brother.
Speaker 2: I talked to him on the phone yesterday. He said
Speaker 2: trippy but very good. And by trippy he means all
Speaker 2: the you know her. Oh, I don't want to say who,
Speaker 2: but I said, we're not talking spoilers, right, but the
Speaker 2: consciousness is hopping people. It was like trippy but very good,
Speaker 2: lots of great action, entertaining. I already look forward to
Speaker 2: seeing the sequel.
Speaker 1: Look at that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, big big hit.
Speaker 1: I should say. You know at this point is is
Speaker 1: it can still considered a spoiler about that character? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Because because it's out there in front of God and
Speaker 1: everybody at this point.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, hey, so fair warning. We'll at
Speaker 2: least say that if people, I mean, we're we're toward
Speaker 2: the end of our episode here, and if you just
Speaker 2: haven't been able to make it out yet and you
Speaker 2: want to pause and wait for the rest of this conversation, well, oh, you'll.
Speaker 1: Say this and I'll step around there. There was speculation,
Speaker 1: rampant speculation about who Sadie Sync plays, and and you know,
Speaker 1: my wife she had she had not seen the movie,
Speaker 1: and I was actually trying to protect that secret from her,
Speaker 1: you know. And and of course you get on YouTube
Speaker 1: and my algo is all just like you know, the
Speaker 1: Easter Egg videos and whatnot, and it's like Sadie sinc
Speaker 1: talks about her her surprise character or whatever. And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna was like, what what's the surprise character? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: and I'm like trying to avoid her seeing all the
Speaker 1: you know, anything relating to mutants or whatnot, and and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I was like, well, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's all like this multiverse stuff, and and I mean, look, well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to ruin it for you, but like, what,
Speaker 1: what's a Spider Man character who's famous for red hair,
Speaker 1: and she goes, Mary Jane. I'm like, I'm not saying anything,
Speaker 1: and so she was totally thinking of something different, so
Speaker 1: that that could actually be a surprise.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what's kind of interesting about that actually,
Speaker 2: now that I'm thinking about it. Just this morning, I
Speaker 2: was talking to a good friend who hasn't seen it yet.
Speaker 2: He's gonna try to see it this weekend. So I
Speaker 2: know sometimes it can be tough, you know, getting out
Speaker 2: there right away, but there is somewhat of a reveal
Speaker 2: in the middle. And it was fascinating because I saw
Speaker 2: the movie by myself first so we could talk about it.
Speaker 2: Then I went with two friends that Saturday, and it
Speaker 2: was interesting because my theater was into it, but I
Speaker 2: could sense that my friends were getting a little frustrated.
Speaker 3: HM.
Speaker 2: One of my friends, when Florence.
Speaker 1: Pugh appeared, was like, who's that interesting?
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, that's uh oh. She goes,
Speaker 2: I'm black Widow. She's like, that's girl Johnson's black Widow.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, that's her her sister, and she's like, oh, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: And then I could send some frustration like oh, I
Speaker 2: guess I haven't done my homework and when the reveal happened,
Speaker 2: our theater went oh, and then someone even yelled I
Speaker 2: knew it. And it's funny because my other friend went,
Speaker 2: he leaned into me, and he goes, now, what, how
Speaker 2: could he know? So I was sensing like, okay, but
Speaker 2: with that in mind, because I think these friends are
Speaker 2: relatively plugged in, but felt like they were missing something
Speaker 2: and that that meant that they weren't enjoying the movie
Speaker 2: fully or as much as you know, the filmmakers thought
Speaker 2: they should. But it was interesting because then I talked
Speaker 2: to my dad and I said, did it bother you?
Speaker 2: I explained who that character was, and then I asked,
Speaker 2: did it bother you that you didn't know that watching it?
Speaker 2: And he goes, no, He's like, because I was just
Speaker 2: following the movie as it presented everything, like why would it? Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I think the movie does do a good job
Speaker 2: of allowing that. However, if you are in a very
Speaker 2: reactive audience and it feels like everyone's getting something except you,
Speaker 2: I understood why my friends were feeling a little frustrated.
Speaker 1: That's fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, I mean the amount of money this thing
Speaker 1: has made, I mean, Sony is ecstatic. I'm sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Tom Holland I said this last time, he's got these
Speaker 1: guys over a barrel. Definitely right, because when you think
Speaker 1: about it, him and his wife can decide to nope
Speaker 1: out and then what do you do? Yeah right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean they can do like good cop, bad cop,
Speaker 1: but it comes to negotiating, you know, No, that's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's two of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, but I I you know the
Speaker 1: current arrangement between Sony and Marvel that this is interesting
Speaker 1: is right now. It's on a movie by movie basis,
Speaker 1: and the way it works is Sony pays seventy five
Speaker 1: percent of the cost, Disney pays twenty five percent, and
Speaker 1: they split the proceeds accordingly, so seventy five to twenty five.
Speaker 1: And normally you'd be like, well, don't rock the boat,
Speaker 1: like what if it If it works, don't piss on
Speaker 1: it to make it better. Right, However, we know how
Speaker 1: studios work, and can't you just imagine somebody in Sony
Speaker 1: being like, well, I don't know, why don't we just
Speaker 1: keep that additional twenty five percent?
Speaker 2: Totally there's always that person that ruins everything, right, Like you.
Speaker 1: Just know there's one of those guys. So I actually
Speaker 1: think Tom Holland is the glue here keeping Spider Man
Speaker 1: in the MCU. Yeah, that's a good point, because I
Speaker 1: think he has the ability to be like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to do it then, because he's on a
Speaker 1: movie by movie basis, And so my feeling is, as
Speaker 1: long as Tom Holland is playing Peter Parker, Spidery remains
Speaker 1: part of the MCU. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and I mean, take a look, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. It was once Marvel got involved. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: when this all started blowing up, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And the Spider Man Universe movies that they were not
Speaker 2: involved in, they've just shut those down.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: They said they have no plans for any more of them. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm maybe mixed results some of the venoms,
Speaker 2: at least for me from my point of view, or
Speaker 2: at least somewhat amusing. But I never really loved them.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you speak for the masses. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying I don't know anybody who's putting those things on
Speaker 1: their mantle, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I had a better time telling the plot of those
Speaker 2: movies to other people than I did actually watching them.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, I mean, hello, like Marvel is the
Speaker 2: secret sauce here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can.
Speaker 2: Imagine Gollum getting the ring in his hand and being like,
Speaker 2: that's all mine. That's before they fall into the volcano.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I mean. You know, this is a
Speaker 1: situation where where Amy Pascal, who's in charge of Spider
Speaker 1: Man movies, and Kevin Faige have to land on the
Speaker 1: same page, you know, and I would imagine that is challenging. Sure,
Speaker 1: I bet I think that this movie's success has to
Speaker 1: have Marvel feeling really good about Avengers Doomsday though. Oh yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: because because the issue for a little while has been
Speaker 1: oh there's a new Marvel what was the last one?
Speaker 1: And you know, like because people have really checked out, right, well,
Speaker 1: I think Spider Man has got people really excited to
Speaker 1: dip back in. So I actually think, I actually think
Speaker 1: putting Florence Pew in here was kind of brilliant m
Speaker 1: because yeah, there's gonna be a lot of folks who
Speaker 1: are like, who is that? But now they'll be enticed
Speaker 1: to check out Thunderbolts, right.
Speaker 2: Right, they can dip back sort of the more ideal
Speaker 2: version of what you were talking about where if some
Speaker 2: little kid sees this Spider Man movie and it's like,
Speaker 2: I want to watch more of The Punisher and then
Speaker 2: they watched that one off, very R rated thing that
Speaker 2: dropped on Disney Plus recently. Yep, but yeah, I know
Speaker 2: you're right. I mean it'll maybe make people check out Thunderbolts.
Speaker 2: And she mentions that she's an Avenger in Spider Man,
Speaker 2: so huh, like, yeah, it's it's pushing everything forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think what we're going to see right
Speaker 1: now is what do we got like four months before Doomsday? Right,
Speaker 1: You're going to see a whole bunch of people deciding
Speaker 1: to get caught up?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, right, And so I think it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna end up being something very similar to what we
Speaker 1: saw in the lead up to in the immediate aftermath
Speaker 1: of the first Avengers film, which at that time all
Speaker 1: you had was Phase one before that, and there were
Speaker 1: plenty of folks who didn't watch thor didn't watch Captain
Speaker 1: America the first Avenger, and they went back and get
Speaker 1: got caught up. So I think we are going to
Speaker 1: see that, this is my guess. And I think Doomsday
Speaker 1: is gonna end up doing fine unless it's just complete garbage,
Speaker 1: which I doubt right right.
Speaker 2: And I think speaking I don't know for the people
Speaker 2: who feel like me. I've watched all this stuff. I
Speaker 2: continue to check in, but just because there's so much
Speaker 2: of it, I find myself not feeling, you know, as
Speaker 2: excited early out right. However, like the weeks building up
Speaker 2: to it, of course I made you get excited, right,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And of course I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go and I'm probably gonna watch it more than once,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: You know it's funny. Last week I got on Disney
Speaker 1: Plus and you know, in they're in their Marvel vertical.
Speaker 1: They have a they have a thing the Multiverse saga,
Speaker 1: and it's a whole everything in the Multiverse saga leading
Speaker 1: up to Doomsday. And I was like, yeah, man, you know,
Speaker 1: like maybe maybe.
Speaker 2: I'll do this. You know.
Speaker 1: I remember in the lead up to Infinity War, I
Speaker 1: watched one Marvel movie a week eating up to Infinity
Speaker 1: and it was great. It was a it was a
Speaker 1: like perfect way to watch it. And then I'm just
Speaker 1: like scrolling through and I just keep scrolling, and then
Speaker 1: I stop because my fingers are getting tired. And then
Speaker 1: I scroll some more and I'm like Holy Jesus, there's
Speaker 1: so much right right right, It's too much, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I need like like a like a boiled down
Speaker 1: version of this, But I do. I do want to
Speaker 1: go through and Rewatch, you know, like Wanda Vision and
Speaker 1: you know some of those, especially like those earlier ones
Speaker 1: from like five six years ago that I don't even remember. Uh,
Speaker 1: but I'm in that headspace now, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it it is remarkable because because to me, the
Speaker 1: twin successes of the Odyssey and Spider Man Brand New Day.
Speaker 1: First of all, they prove the the unmatched trifecta of
Speaker 1: Tom Hollins and Day and John Burnhal obviously right, clearly
Speaker 1: box office gold, the three of them together.
Speaker 2: But like they need to do a road comedy exactly,
Speaker 2: I'd watch.
Speaker 1: It what they show, I mean it just it highlights
Speaker 1: what we've been talking about this this summer. Sequels are fine,
Speaker 1: just give people.
Speaker 2: Something new, totally yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 1: And guess what scarcity is the key?
Speaker 2: Yeah, those two things should be on a little cross
Speaker 2: stitch hanging in every studio's office.
Speaker 1: Right because because look at the three unmistakable successes of
Speaker 1: this summer Masters of the Universe, I'm just kidding, oh teer. Although,
Speaker 1: as predicted, that movie is cleaning up on Amazon Prime,
Speaker 1: vis A vis Views.
Speaker 2: I mentioned it to my brother that it was streaming
Speaker 2: already for free. You didn't even have to rent it,
Speaker 2: and he's like, oh, and then he started it.
Speaker 1: Yep, So we predicted that was going to happen. But
Speaker 1: Toy Story five, Odyssey, Spider Man, Brand New Day, uh,
Speaker 1: unquestionable smash hits and and again I think all three
Speaker 1: are franchises because I considered Nolan himself a franchise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, scarcity is the key.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's been seven years since the last
Speaker 1: Toy Story, It's been three years since last Nolan, it's
Speaker 1: been five years since last Spider Man. So give us something,
Speaker 1: give us more of what we love, but give it,
Speaker 1: give us, give it to us in a new in
Speaker 1: a new way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not hardy would.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really like because to me, I mean
Speaker 1: Master's Universe. Notwithstanding there's a whole separate list of reasons
Speaker 1: that was destined to fail. But Mowana and Mandalorian and
Speaker 1: Grogu are like people are just aren't going to line
Speaker 1: up for the same old shit anymore, you know, Hm,
Speaker 1: and let's widen the aperture a little bit, right, what
Speaker 1: are the big hits of this year? Michael back Rooms, Obsession, Right,
Speaker 1: Spider Man, Toy, Story of Odyssey. Between those six movies,
Speaker 1: you've got a pretty wide spectrum of the types of
Speaker 1: movies people will show up for, you know.
Speaker 2: And not all those would have showed up on some
Speaker 2: sort of algorithm.
Speaker 1: Out exactly, print out exactly what a fascinating test case
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six has been.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the movies, Yeah, exciting one.
Speaker 1: I think I think we still got more more months.
Speaker 2: Yet we still got prime time.
Speaker 1: Baby. I know that's a comment. There's plenty more patents
Speaker 1: than a coming, don't you fret. But hey, those are
Speaker 1: our thoughts about about Spider Man's Box. I was anything
Speaker 1: else you wanted to add?
Speaker 2: Brian, uh No, No, I just uh, I don't know
Speaker 2: something about Spider Man. I want I want to watch
Speaker 2: it again.
Speaker 1: I've gotten in three. I think I'm done. But three
Speaker 1: three was good. I felt good about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just they've hit some magic formula with
Speaker 2: that series. I mean, the casting, the way that they've
Speaker 2: managed the characters, the stories. I mean, that's the thing too,
Speaker 2: is they made a story that I had to see,
Speaker 2: you know, after the ending of No Way Home, like
Speaker 2: I had to see what was going to happen next.
Speaker 2: And that's just great storytelling. So credit where credits.
Speaker 1: Do indeed, and and and by the way, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I mentioned this in our last episode, but
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the way they wove the Hulk into
Speaker 1: this story because I did find him, uh integral in
Speaker 1: some ways, but more I liked the casualness of Peter
Speaker 1: rolling up to Bruce Banner's class and just being like
Speaker 1: hey and just asking him a question, because that gave
Speaker 1: me real like comic book vibes. Totally sure where you
Speaker 1: could do that, you know, where you would have an
Speaker 1: Avengers issue where Captain America gets you know, mister Fantastic
Speaker 1: on speed dial.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: But I am very curious about what they do with
Speaker 1: the Hulk next because I think it's interesting where they
Speaker 1: left him.
Speaker 2: M yeah, right.
Speaker 1: The fact that he's kept the Hulk bottled up all
Speaker 1: these years and the Hulk ain't happening it anymore, that's interesting,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I thought he was woven in very organically.
Speaker 2: I like, Yeah, good storytelling. Once again, I mean sometimes
Speaker 2: it feels like these extra characters are shoehorned in just
Speaker 2: to remind you that there's a bigger universe happening. But
Speaker 2: just everything was going right with this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, and I want to if I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: already happening, But but they would be very smart to
Speaker 1: lock in destined Daniel Krettin. Now that's it. This is
Speaker 1: like where the shittiness of just the Internet comes in.
Speaker 1: I've seen stories on the Internet about about people people
Speaker 1: showing up in old Instagram posts on John Watts's page
Speaker 1: saying hey, don't direct any more Spider Man movies, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, why y'all gotta be like that.
Speaker 2: The reason we're here is because you liked his movies.
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, honest to God, what what is?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Who raised you?
Speaker 2: I know? I know, I mean that's a special type
Speaker 2: of you know, messed up person, It really is. It
Speaker 2: just to be so they have the energy to be
Speaker 2: that hateful, you know.
Speaker 1: It's just I want to say to all those people,
Speaker 1: just hey, stop it, stop it, stop it. That's all. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that's all for me. Hey, if you have any thoughts
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Speaker 1: There you go. I just want to say, by the way,
Speaker 1: you know that whole that whole spiel that I do
Speaker 1: leading into our Patreon pitch, Yeah, that is from memory.
Speaker 1: That is that is muscle memory. That's like Ned at
Speaker 1: the end of Spider Man Brand New Day.
Speaker 2: With the handshake.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's just it's just it's just in my head. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it just comes out almost verbatim every single week.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and I'm like, you know this. You know, my mom,
Speaker 1: my brother, my nephew, they have memorized the entire Qur'an.
Speaker 2: Me.
Speaker 1: I got this right, this is what I got.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm I'm proud of you. I'm impressed.
Speaker 1: Thanks man.
Speaker 2: You know, I really do and I really mean all
Speaker 2: this when I say this, I mean you you do
Speaker 2: steer the ship of this show. And it's really impressive
Speaker 2: because sometimes when we're going to do a headline or
Speaker 2: something and it's a story I'm interested in or I
Speaker 2: brought to the table, You'll go, oh, well don't you
Speaker 2: can lead off with it, And so I'll go okay
Speaker 2: in the news. Wait, hold on, Zachie, we got to
Speaker 2: start over like it's just there's a real you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know. It requires finesse and a steady hand,
Speaker 2: and you have that. You're very, very good at it.
Speaker 2: So I appreciate that about you.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate I was not fishing for the compliment,
Speaker 1: but I will. I will gladly accept it with the
Speaker 1: humble heart thing.
Speaker 2: I think you deserve it. I'm happy to give it.
Speaker 1: Thanks man, you're all right too. Thanks man, You're you're good.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 1: Do you like stuff? But hey, if you're looking for
Speaker 1: me online, you can find me on social media at
Speaker 1: Zaki's Corner. That's the aka i as Corner. You can
Speaker 1: also read my reviews at the San Francisco Chronicle, uh,
Speaker 1: including coming up my review of Lanterns on HBO Max,
Speaker 1: so look out for that in the next week or so.
Speaker 1: What about you, Brian, What do you have going on?
Speaker 2: You can find episodes I've written of Puppy Dog Pals
Speaker 2: and Young Jedi Adventures streaming on Disney Plus.
Speaker 1: Here we go and with that on behalf of my partner,
Speaker 1: Brian Hall. My name is Zachie Isson. This has been
Speaker 1: movie Film three forty nine. We will catch you next time.
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody, We will come.
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