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Speaker 1: Playoff push for the Utah Jazz gets back in action
Speaker 1: coming up on Thursday. Oklahoma State or excuse me, Oklahoma City.
Speaker 1: Obviously college basketball to mine. We'll get back to some
Speaker 1: college ubes are the big one tonight. Well, let's do
Speaker 1: a little jazz mostly just big picture NBA topics with
Speaker 1: our guy, Tim McMahon. Fresh off vacation on this Tuesday afternoon, Tim,
Speaker 1: how's your time off?
Speaker 2: Brother? Not long enough, but welcome. Just wish it lasted
Speaker 2: a little bit longer for sure.
Speaker 1: Did you consume any of the festivities in the Bay
Speaker 1: Area over the weekend.
Speaker 2: I will be honest. I've seen a couple little clips
Speaker 2: on social media, but I watched zero seconds of All
Speaker 2: Star Weekend Live.
Speaker 1: Good for you, but we do have to do the
Speaker 1: media thing where you and I talk about what a
Speaker 1: horrible product it is and how we're going to fix
Speaker 1: the thing. So here here's where I'm at with it.
Speaker 1: There's no fixing it. They've tried everything. I like the
Speaker 1: US versus international idea, but hey, we've seen it before.
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's played in Russia or California
Speaker 1: or Europe or wherever it's. The proof is in. These
Speaker 1: guys don't give a rip, and I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any way to fix that. So for me, it's just
Speaker 1: kind of maybe time for the league to admit that
Speaker 1: this is the deal. It's a non serious celebration of
Speaker 1: the National Basketball Association and that's it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Like, what d damn do? I mean? Does anybody
Speaker 2: think the Pro Bowls like some kind of serious football game.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess they're ain't playing, but like, you know,
Speaker 2: are they throwing brushback pitches in the in Baseball's All
Speaker 2: Star Game? Is if Pete Rose still running over the catcher? Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, what have we done? It's an All Star game?
Speaker 2: You know, of course, the silly exhibition. I don't know
Speaker 2: why the NBA keeps on allowing this to be some
Speaker 2: sort of crisis that exists. Oh my gosh, you know,
Speaker 2: blood's not being spilled on the All Star Game? Who cares?
Speaker 1: Is there a format that you actually think is good?
Speaker 1: This is what I said earlier. Like, my preferred format
Speaker 1: is the All Star game with players who play hard
Speaker 1: like we used to have. That's my preferred all That's
Speaker 1: my preferred format.
Speaker 2: And look, it ain't like every All Star game has
Speaker 2: been some kind of classic. I mean, there were forty
Speaker 2: point blowouts, but Michael Jordan's on the wrong end of
Speaker 2: so let's not you know, I think one we kind
Speaker 2: of need to get over this good old days syndrome
Speaker 2: thing to a certain agree. But yeah, East versus list
Speaker 2: totally fine, US FAVORSUS International, Okay, interest in flavor, fine,
Speaker 2: don't give me some first to forty tournament? I go,
Speaker 2: hold on, what are the rules again? Why is Kevin
Speaker 2: Hart still yammering like I'm men, come on, man, like
Speaker 2: you're doing too much trying to fix something that I
Speaker 2: don't think is some kind of massively serious problem.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, And uh, you know that's kind of the deal.
Speaker 1: That's kind of where we've landed today. And there's some
Speaker 1: fun moments here or there. Is there anything that simply
Speaker 1: an experience or keyanty George can do for him as
Speaker 1: far as being able to play on Sunday in that format?
Speaker 1: Is there is there anything tangible he was the only
Speaker 1: local rep. You know, is there anything you can take
Speaker 1: from simply being part of the experience.
Speaker 2: I am concerned you're gonna pull some sort of muscle
Speaker 2: with that reach. I don't I'm not.
Speaker 1: Sure you want to talk about Johnny Juzang's peer, Tim,
Speaker 1: Let's do that.
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, it can't be a negative for Kante.
Speaker 2: George Like to me, I don't know, what, how do
Speaker 2: you spend his All Star Weekend with? You know, did
Speaker 2: he try to pick the brains of guys who are
Speaker 2: you know, who have been in that game over and
Speaker 2: over again? Maybe there's some benefit there, you know, But
Speaker 2: more did he go to a bunch of parties and
Speaker 2: have a good time like the vast majority of people
Speaker 2: good to All Star Weekend did? And if that's the case,
Speaker 2: they're sitting something wrong with that either.
Speaker 1: So there's not the second half of the season entirely.
Speaker 1: Most teams have you know, have about thirty games left
Speaker 1: a little bit less than that, but with the calendar,
Speaker 1: it's kind of halfway home for teams that are playing
Speaker 1: for the postseason. And of course, the big story just
Speaker 1: continues to be the Dallas deal with the Lakers and
Speaker 1: how the Lakers are gonna Look. It's kind of interesting
Speaker 1: because the Jazz have actually been the team that the
Speaker 1: Lakers have played twice since the deal went down, and
Speaker 1: you know, they got got pretty good in La. Then
Speaker 1: they came here and the Jazz absolutely smoked them. But
Speaker 1: of course that's going to take some time to kind
Speaker 1: of gel down the stretch. What how do you think
Speaker 1: the Luca Lebron thing is going to kind of manifest
Speaker 1: itself now that they've been together for a minute, They've
Speaker 1: had some time to digest and what are you looking
Speaker 1: for kind of right out of the gates when they
Speaker 1: get back going the Lakers start playing again.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the biggest question about that is, like,
Speaker 2: is Luca going to be full speed? Does he still
Speaker 2: need time to be ramped up after you know, a
Speaker 2: month and a half or so off with that cast strain.
Speaker 2: I mean, the two games against the Jazz were mega height,
Speaker 2: preseason type of games for Luca. You know, like he's
Speaker 2: on a twenty four minute limit and you know, obviously
Speaker 2: he's trying to get his rhythm and so, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know when we will see like full blast
Speaker 2: Lika Luca. I do have a feeling that will at
Speaker 2: least get a glimpse of it February twenty fifth, when
Speaker 2: the Master in la I think he'll be ready to
Speaker 2: ramped up for that one. But like the fit between
Speaker 2: those guys, I mean, we're talking about two guys who
Speaker 2: are basketball geniuses. They'll figure that out. I think it's
Speaker 2: a flawed ross her And like, obviously the biggest flaw
Speaker 2: is they don't have a legitimate big man on the roster.
Speaker 2: They try to address that with the Mark Williams thing.
Speaker 2: Then they got to look at the physical and said, hey,
Speaker 2: we can do this, and so you know, that's that's
Speaker 2: an issue that they're going to have to fix over
Speaker 2: the summer. But you know, so they're kind of they're
Speaker 2: not operating at full capacity because if you're going to
Speaker 2: have Luca, you need to have that rim running dig
Speaker 2: and you know, Jackson Hayes is a very poor man's
Speaker 2: version of that. But I don't think you can consider
Speaker 2: the way because any sort of real contender until they've
Speaker 2: got a complete roster, and they're not going to be
Speaker 2: a contender this year.
Speaker 1: You were one of the first guests that we had
Speaker 1: to kind of point out, like, hey, just keep an
Speaker 1: eye on Houston. You know, I don't know what it means,
Speaker 1: but just keep an eye on what they've been doing.
Speaker 1: And you know, Van Vlietz missed some time, and you
Speaker 1: can tell that they really miss him in crunch situations
Speaker 1: when they're trying to close out games. But they have
Speaker 1: kind of come back down to earth, losing seven of
Speaker 1: their last ten. And I do have concerns simply about
Speaker 1: their lack of experience. They've ever been in the postseason before.
Speaker 1: They don't have a ton of great three point shooting.
Speaker 1: So what do you make of kind of maybe a
Speaker 1: regression of the mean after a really great start to
Speaker 1: the season for the Houston Rockets. What's kind of their
Speaker 1: their max ceiling come playoff time?
Speaker 2: Well, I think you point out Van Bleet is a
Speaker 2: smart observation, and I don't think I said that very
Speaker 2: often about you.
Speaker 1: Well, so thank you. I'll take that.
Speaker 2: You know, sun shine on dogs, but every once in
Speaker 2: a while type of situation here. But look, he's like,
Speaker 2: there's a reason they took such a leap when they
Speaker 2: brought in him and Dylan Brooks, but especially Van Bleeed.
Speaker 2: He's the captain, he's the organizer, you know, he's the conductor.
Speaker 2: And his impact goes away. BEYI like, they look at
Speaker 2: his shooting steady and shot the ball. Well, he's the
Speaker 2: one who keeps everybody kind of you know, rolling in
Speaker 2: the same direction, and they definitely need him to have
Speaker 2: any kind of a chance to do playoff damage. But look,
Speaker 2: the Rockets have punched above their weight. I think this
Speaker 2: year they're tough as hell. They're paying the button playing
Speaker 2: on a night the basis they play hard, they play defense,
Speaker 2: they rebound, they do all those things. They don't have
Speaker 2: a good offensive team. They need an offensive engine, and
Speaker 2: not just a unorganized like Van Vliet, but a legitimate,
Speaker 2: big time number one option Offensely, they need a Devin Booker,
Speaker 2: who they'd love to get. Booker doesn't want to leave Phoenix.
Speaker 2: The Sons don't want to give him up. We'll see
Speaker 2: if that changes at some point. I think it would
Speaker 2: make a lot of sense for everybody involved, given that
Speaker 2: the Rockets are sitting there holding a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: a future Phoenix drafts capital. You know, Darren Fox decided
Speaker 2: he wanted to go to San Antonio. The Rockets weren't
Speaker 2: quite ready yet, and then and they you know, they
Speaker 2: also want to you know, they want to evaluate Hekjamen agreement.
Speaker 2: Let's let's see, there's gonna be some ups and downs
Speaker 2: this season. Where's their hope going to be after the playoffs?
Speaker 2: On Jason Green's ability to grow into that role Aman Thompson,
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be a star. I think
Speaker 2: he's on his way to being a star. I don't
Speaker 2: think he's going to be a number one offensive option.
Speaker 2: You know, he can be a star and not a
Speaker 2: number one offensive option. Honestly, they haven't given up hope
Speaker 2: on Reed Shepherd being that guy, even though he's been
Speaker 2: out of the rotation for most of the season. But
Speaker 2: at this point, I think the Rockets are going to
Speaker 2: be a tough playoff matchup. But I don't think they're
Speaker 2: a real Western Conference contender yet. I think they're on
Speaker 2: the path to be in there. The question is that
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to take a big swing in the
Speaker 2: trademarket to get there, or can that you know, that
Speaker 2: legitimate go to guy be homegrown.
Speaker 1: Here's how I'll phrase this question. What sort of team?
Speaker 1: Because I've listened to a bunch over the weekend of
Speaker 1: you know, some mental gymnastics to try to make the
Speaker 1: West as interesting as possible from a lot of people
Speaker 1: who cover the league. But then they land the plane like, Okay,
Speaker 1: Sea is impossible. So it's kind of an exercise and futility.
Speaker 1: I still think if Jamal's gonna Jamalmurry's gonna play like this,
Speaker 1: You've got to talk about the Nuggets because Jokic is Jokis.
Speaker 1: We talked about that last week. What type of team
Speaker 1: we'll give Okay see, the biggest issues come playoff time,
Speaker 1: like what is their achilles heel if they have one?
Speaker 2: Well, and you know, they did a great job of
Speaker 2: addressing their achilles heels over the off season. One was
Speaker 2: they could get bullied, they could get pushed around. They
Speaker 2: went out and paid Isaiah Hartstein a whole lot of
Speaker 2: money in free agencies to have the option of playing big.
Speaker 2: Now chet Holman has just got back. Him and Hartstein
Speaker 2: have played I don't know, what is it, three or
Speaker 2: four games together something like that. But you know, now
Speaker 2: when they play Joker with that big front line that
Speaker 2: the Nuggets have, they can go seven foot seven foot
Speaker 2: and then you know the other guys. So that that
Speaker 2: was one big thing. The other big thing was just
Speaker 2: a fit of Josh Gitty it was a bad fit.
Speaker 2: They flipped him into Alex Caruso or just another you know,
Speaker 2: great role player, great defender. So I don't know that
Speaker 2: they have an achilles heel. You know, if you look
Speaker 2: at the numbers, you'll still say it's rebounded. But you
Speaker 2: have to recognize that they've only had one or the
Speaker 2: other of their seven footers for almost the entire season
Speaker 2: until very you know, basically until the trade deadline. Havn't
Speaker 2: said all that, Like, what kind of team can beat
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City? I think a very big, extremely skilled, recent
Speaker 2: championship team that employees I think, very strongly arguably the
Speaker 2: best player in the world would be the team that
Speaker 2: would have the best chance. And oh, by the way,
Speaker 2: the Denver Nuggets have won eight straight games coming out
Speaker 2: of the All Star Break.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's the answer. I mean, if
Speaker 1: I take Okase off the table, I still I mean,
Speaker 1: from what I've seen, I've been so incredibly impressed with
Speaker 1: the Thunder that I probably would pick them in seven
Speaker 1: games right now over the Nuggets. But at this point,
Speaker 1: I think Denver's probably the only other team that I
Speaker 1: would put in the same category. But let me ask
Speaker 1: you about the Timberwolves because they've been better as of late,
Speaker 1: and obviously around here everybody keeps their eye on the Timberwolves.
Speaker 1: At one point, it's like, wait, are the jass getting
Speaker 1: luck into a lottery pick? I never thought the t
Speaker 1: Wolves were a lottery team. And you know, this is
Speaker 1: a team that's not too far removed from a squad
Speaker 1: that was probably in the mix to win it all.
Speaker 1: They made the cat deal for Randall, which I just,
Speaker 1: as somebody who watches the next all the time, I
Speaker 1: understand the financial implications of it, But are you buying
Speaker 1: kind of the improved play from Minnesota over the past
Speaker 1: five or six weeks?
Speaker 2: Improved play? Sure, you know Randall has been out, which
Speaker 2: is right, you know, interesting kind of draw your own
Speaker 2: conclusions there. I just I can't see the Wolves being
Speaker 2: a real bona fide contender, And I think that does
Speaker 2: go back to the trade where they moved Carl Anthony Towns.
Speaker 2: You know, they had a Western Conference finals team and
Speaker 2: they took away the second best player on that team,
Speaker 2: and not just second best player, but like the Wolves,
Speaker 2: one of their huge advantages last year is that they
Speaker 2: were huge. I mean, you know, they had go Bear
Speaker 2: in Towns in their front line, and then you know,
Speaker 2: if Gobert wasn't on the floor, it was Townsend Reed,
Speaker 2: if Kat was on the floor, it was Towns in Gobar.
Speaker 2: They were constantly just this massive team. And if you
Speaker 2: look at the way that they played Joker in that series,
Speaker 2: where look, Joker had some huge games, but they played
Speaker 2: him well enough and they're able to win the series
Speaker 2: in seven. Kat was the primary defender on Joker. Now,
Speaker 2: did Cat shut Joker down one on one? Obviously not,
Speaker 2: it's an entire team concept. But that allowed them to
Speaker 2: play Rudy on Aaron Gordon and really just kind of
Speaker 2: be that Rover and you know, it's they don't really
Speaker 2: have that option anymore, and that to me is just
Speaker 2: a massive, massive difference if they get matched up with
Speaker 2: the Nuggets. So, you know, I and I also, I
Speaker 2: just don't think that the Wolves are going to be
Speaker 2: good enough late in close games, you know, in those
Speaker 2: clut situations to make a deep playoff run. They're not
Speaker 2: the same dominant defensive team that they were last year.
Speaker 2: You know, they kind of show that in ebbs and flows,
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just I think that the ceiling for
Speaker 2: the Wolves is probably the second round.
Speaker 1: Who'd you have in the Timmy Bontem's good time, Timmy
Speaker 1: Bontem stropol, who do you think the MVP is this year?
Speaker 1: And why.
Speaker 2: We'll put it this way. A lot of Nuggets fans
Speaker 2: are mad ato right now, and I think a lot
Speaker 2: of Serbians are cussing at me. I've already I've been
Speaker 2: getting cussed at the Slovenian recently for doing things like
Speaker 2: reporting and the reasoning that the Mavericks made the most
Speaker 2: shocked and trading in be a history. And now Serbians
Speaker 2: are out of me, and listen, I there's not a
Speaker 2: single thing I could or would say to tell you
Speaker 2: why Joker's not deserving of winning his four straight MVP.
Speaker 2: Like the guy's case is incredible. I just think if
Speaker 2: it's even you go with a guy who hasn't won
Speaker 2: an MVP yet, whose team is by far the number
Speaker 2: one seed in the conference, who is a lead in
Speaker 2: the league in scoring not just average, but in points
Speaker 2: per game or in total points by over two hundred points,
Speaker 2: and in plus minus by over two hundred points, the
Speaker 2: most important stats in basketball plus minus because that's the
Speaker 2: score and points because that's how you score. Jacobs, Alexander
Speaker 2: has a two hundred and something point cushion over everybody
Speaker 2: else in the league in both of those categories on
Speaker 2: crazy efficiency while being a significant contributor on the number
Speaker 2: one defense in the league, filling the stat sheet up
Speaker 2: across the board for a team that's very likely in
Speaker 2: the season with the best record. That's the hell of
Speaker 2: a case for him to win his first MVP. And
Speaker 2: I forgot that. I went with, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: One thing to have snot knows losers who use the
Speaker 1: Internet to feel brave coming at you. I don't think
Speaker 1: you want to get sideways with serbians. Bro, That's just
Speaker 1: a little piece of advice.
Speaker 2: Listen, man, I've been over to the Balkans, beautiful hand
Speaker 2: over there. I might not be a returning to the
Speaker 2: antempt soon.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, fair enough, fair enough. Hey, let's before
Speaker 1: I say you loose. Let's move over now to the
Speaker 1: latest with the MAVs and what this entire citizens. You're
Speaker 1: the guy that's been on this, and we've used your
Speaker 1: reporting on the show to color the context of the conversation.
Speaker 1: Just because it's been a week, I mean, it seems
Speaker 1: like they've got a ton of injury issues, so the
Speaker 1: jury's going to be out as far as whether or
Speaker 1: not they'll be able to do anything special this year,
Speaker 1: because they still have a lot of talent. We've been
Speaker 1: reminded of what Kyrie looks like when he's when he's
Speaker 1: engaged in playing basketball. So just the latest with the
Speaker 1: Dallas Mavericks, and now you think the rest of the
Speaker 1: season plays out after making one of the wildest deals
Speaker 1: in the history of pro sports.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're there and say if they gain simple fact
Speaker 2: that they're not going to be healthy, probably not for
Speaker 2: the rest of the regular season. Daniel Gafford has a
Speaker 2: Grade three sprain of his MCL, probably at the rest
Speaker 2: of the regular season. There's no certainly that Dereklively, the
Speaker 2: second who has a stress factoring his right ankle, is
Speaker 2: available for the rest of the regular season. We're looking
Speaker 2: at still weeks before Anthony Davis is able to return,
Speaker 2: and there's not like a firm certain timetable in place there,
Speaker 2: so there's no if they can get healthy, they're not
Speaker 2: going to be healthy. The vision that they have to
Speaker 2: this team of this huge, massive, ridiculously athletic front court
Speaker 2: is not happening this season. And here's one of the
Speaker 2: things about that trade is what you did was instead
Speaker 2: of having this twenty five year old generational talent that
Speaker 2: you have, I don't know, they felt like the runway
Speaker 2: wasn't going to be that long. You have potentially a
Speaker 2: hent or twelve year runway left for Bukado, and you
Speaker 2: crunch that down into three or four years. So you
Speaker 2: can call bad. Look, you can call it whatever you want,
Speaker 2: but if it looks like injuries are really going to
Speaker 2: mar this season for the Mavericks, that's twenty five to
Speaker 2: thirty three percent of the timeframe that you decided to create.
Speaker 2: And you know that's that's part of the risk of
Speaker 2: trading twenty five for thirty one, and of trading the
Speaker 2: guy that you're afraid is going to break down for
Speaker 2: a guy who's got significant history of durability issues.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well said, I can't wait for Kiante to come
Speaker 1: back and average thirty five down the stretch and completely
Speaker 1: give it all the credit to his experience in the
Speaker 1: Rising Stars situation over the weekend, and then you and
Speaker 1: I will have the conversation about exactly what that meant
Speaker 1: for young Kyante George. That's my prediction for the rest
Speaker 1: of the year for.
Speaker 2: Jazz Kyanti is not going to average thirty five minutes,
Speaker 2: much less thirty five points. So I would say that
Speaker 2: my advice to Kiante George would be better start playing
Speaker 2: as hard as it can defensively and locking into details.
Speaker 2: If you ever want to take your starting job back
Speaker 2: from Isaiah Callier, who you know right now, Will Hardy
Speaker 2: is very happy with one of those guys, and it's
Speaker 2: not Kante George.
Speaker 1: I will stretch one more time to simply ask you this,
Speaker 1: what's the most interesting story about the Jazz over the
Speaker 1: final twenty eight games of the year.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think like there's the obvious answer, and
Speaker 2: it's the one that's not any fun to follow until
Speaker 2: the night of the wattery. You know, Like listen, there's
Speaker 2: just like Cooper Flag has a chance to be a
Speaker 2: generational type of talent. This whole season is about maximizing
Speaker 2: your chance to get that guy. And if it's not him,
Speaker 2: there's some other really good players at the top of
Speaker 2: this draft. As far as I actually watching this team,
Speaker 2: which I was a little bit surprised, I didn't move
Speaker 2: any of the veterans. You know, I think when we
Speaker 2: talked for the deadline, you and I set the over
Speaker 2: under one point five and it ended up being zero,
Speaker 2: So that surprised me. But it's still about like, hey, Isaiah,
Speaker 2: you're getting this extended audition as a starting point guard.
Speaker 2: You know, what can you do with it? Deyontay George,
Speaker 2: you had your audition. You know basically you got demotive.
Speaker 2: How are you going to respond to that? You know,
Speaker 2: Cody Williams, you know, it's been a fairly rough rookie season,
Speaker 2: but everyone understood you were raw. You know that you're
Speaker 2: nowhere near you finished product. What kind of progress can
Speaker 2: you make down the stretch? And you know, kind of
Speaker 2: on down the list of the guys, especially in these
Speaker 2: I was going to say the young guys, but especially
Speaker 2: in these last two draft classes. I think you have
Speaker 2: an idea at this point kind of who Walker Kessel is,
Speaker 2: what he can be. You know, it hasn't been like
Speaker 2: just linear progress for him, but we've seen enough to know, Okay, hey,
Speaker 2: that dude's going to be a very good starting center
Speaker 2: for a while in the NBA. What about these other
Speaker 2: guys who can show who can kind of prove or
Speaker 2: at least make a strong case and have a kind
Speaker 2: of an encouraging feeling about going into the off season
Speaker 2: that they can be a key part of this thing
Speaker 2: once the Jazz are able to get a going, because
Speaker 2: you know, right now the list is Walker Kessler and
Speaker 2: then you know kind of a whole bunch of will sees.
Speaker 1: That was bravo. In fact, I should stand out of
Speaker 1: my chair and start clapping because you made the final
Speaker 1: twenty eight games of the season interesting, Tim, and we
Speaker 1: didn't even have to stretch. So well done, my friend.
Speaker 2: It's fine. I'll listen. Rebuilding's not fun, but in a
Speaker 2: lot of senses it ain't complicated. Accumulated assets, hopeful lottery
Speaker 2: luck and hope some of the young guys developed.
Speaker 1: Well said, all right, welcome back from VAK. I appreciate
Speaker 1: the time and we'll get you back on soon.
Speaker 2: Text him all I appreciate your brother.
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