1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets. 2 00:00:09,839 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 2: It's all behaved with Arden Moore, this show that teaches 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,240 you how to have harmony in the household with your pets. 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:16,199 Speaker 1: Join Ardna. 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: She travels coast to coast to help millions better understand 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,600 why cats and dogs do what they do. Get that 7 00:00:21,679 --> 00:00:25,320 latest scoop on famous spaces, they're perfectly pampered pets, and 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,920 who's walking goo and rent in Tinseltown. From famous pet 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,839 experts and best selling authors to television and movie stars. 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,920 You'll get the latest buzz from Wagging Tongues and Tails Garner, 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,719 great pet tips and have a dog one fer flying 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,000 fun time. So get ready for the paws and applause 13 00:00:41,079 --> 00:00:46,200 as we unleaseh your oh Behave host America's pet edutainer, Arden. 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:51,359 Speaker 3: Moore, Hey, pet pals, Welcome to the O Behave Show 15 00:00:51,399 --> 00:00:55,320 on Pet Life Radio. I'm your host, Arden Moore, our 16 00:00:55,359 --> 00:01:01,079 special guest today is a major advocate for rescue dogs. 17 00:01:01,719 --> 00:01:04,519 Oh and by the way, she also definitely loves her 18 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:09,400 own two legged family. But life is and wasn't always easy. 19 00:01:09,799 --> 00:01:13,640 You know, she like us and face a lot of challenges. 20 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,000 So guess what she did. She decided to write a 21 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,519 book about it, and now she is ready to share 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,840 in hopes of helping other people and rescue dogs. So 23 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,120 at this time, please welcome to our show the author 24 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,439 of a just released book. 25 00:01:31,519 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 4: I love the title, Mom Loves the Dogs More. 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:40,079 Speaker 3: Please welcome the talented Cindy oh Check. Welcome, Welcome, Cindy. 27 00:01:40,239 --> 00:01:42,799 Speaker 4: Thank you Arden. I couldn't have said it better or 28 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,120 enunciated it the. 29 00:01:44,079 --> 00:01:44,799 Speaker 3: Way you did. 30 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 4: You must have either heard that in your past or 31 00:01:47,879 --> 00:01:51,359 you said that to your old parents, because that's exactly 32 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,359 how it was said to me. But I am absolutely 33 00:01:54,359 --> 00:01:57,159 delighted to be on the show. When I was introduced 34 00:01:57,159 --> 00:01:59,120 to your podcast over a year ago. 35 00:01:59,159 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 5: I've been listening to episodes and while it's just amazing 36 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,959 the breadth of the speakers, the topics that they have, 37 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,400 their creativity as well as their ability to inspire and 38 00:02:11,439 --> 00:02:12,919 to help people in pets. 39 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:14,719 Speaker 3: And kudos to you. 40 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:20,039 Speaker 4: I'm a solopreneur and being a small business owner to 41 00:02:20,159 --> 00:02:22,080 stick with it for all the years that you have 42 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:23,639 is quite impressive. 43 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,199 Speaker 3: Well, I think both of beat dogs Hey ho hoals. 44 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,479 We're going to dive into who the heck is Cindy 45 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,800 Ochek and why you got to get your pause on. 46 00:02:31,719 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: Her book, Mom loves the dog more. 47 00:02:33,719 --> 00:02:35,199 Speaker 3: And you got to say it with kind of a 48 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,639 little bit of a tone. But we got to take 49 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,800 a quick break, so you all know the drill. We're 50 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,400 gonna sit. Stay, We'll be right by. 51 00:02:44,879 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: Time for a pause. 52 00:02:46,719 --> 00:02:50,879 Speaker 2: For very ones, actually sit and stay, all behave, We'll 53 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:51,680 be right back. 54 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 6: Take a bite out of your competition. Advertise your business 55 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,280 with an ad in pet Line radio podcasts and radio shows. 56 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,240 There is no other pet related media that is as 57 00:03:05,319 --> 00:03:08,360 large and reaches more pet parents and pet lovers than 58 00:03:08,439 --> 00:03:12,360 pet Life Radio with over seven million monthly listeners. 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Now back to your fetching host. 68 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,360 America's pet ed You Jiner Ardenmore. 69 00:03:54,199 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Old Behave Show on Petlife Radio. 70 00:03:56,919 --> 00:04:00,240 I'm your host Ardenmore. I am honored and delighted to 71 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:04,240 have a gal on the show who really knows dogs, 72 00:04:04,759 --> 00:04:07,599 and she's a mom, she's a wife. You put that 73 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,919 all together and that is triple talent and triple challenge. 74 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:14,039 So we're going to back up the bus a little bit, 75 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,839 Sandy O check and give people a little bit of 76 00:04:17,199 --> 00:04:21,600 background on you. You hail from Saint Paul, Mintasota, Land 77 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,360 of ten thousand Lakes, Land of ten thousand lakes, and 78 00:04:24,399 --> 00:04:27,480 there are over twelve thousand of them. Have you seen 79 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,360 how many of those? Have you actually been? 80 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 4: Maybe one hundred, maybe not to a thousand and it 81 00:04:33,639 --> 00:04:36,160 can get cold there. So do you actually have triple 82 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,879 pain windows? We have double pain windows. 83 00:04:39,079 --> 00:04:41,319 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, because I've been there with some friends and 84 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,279 they're very excited because they have triple pain windows. 85 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:50,639 Speaker 4: That's pretty impressive to be that dedicated to energy efficiency. 86 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,759 Give them a cheer to them. 87 00:04:53,079 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: Well, what I like about you, Cindy, You are a 88 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,879 solo preneur, not manure preneur. We just want to get 89 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,519 all cleared up. So you've been going without the W 90 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:05,879 two net for many, many years. And what is it 91 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,120 that has inspired you? Because after the show, I really 92 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,399 want people to go to your blog. It's called like 93 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:17,759 People Like Pets, and your website is Cindy Oh Rights. 94 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,199 Because your last name is too hard to spell. You 95 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,759 have way too many fun letters in there. Go ahead 96 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,279 spell your last name because that's kind of cool. Okay, 97 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:32,079 it's oh j c z y k. And if you 98 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,319 are a hockey fan, you will see Eddie Oldcheck and 99 00:05:36,439 --> 00:05:40,399 Eddie Olchak shows up on Amazon next to me. 100 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:46,439 Speaker 4: Because well, you shoot your score, so it is nice 101 00:05:46,439 --> 00:05:49,600 to actually see his face up there. And hockey fans 102 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:53,879 can pronounce my last name, but it's actually a Polish 103 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:58,199 background and in Polish the j is a y pronunciation. 104 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,160 In Poland it's oil check. But my father in law 105 00:06:02,319 --> 00:06:06,319 started marking everything of his with an oh and a 106 00:06:06,399 --> 00:06:07,600 check mark behind it. 107 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 3: Oh, that's clever. 108 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 4: Fine, And we've just gone by ocheck since then. 109 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 3: Okay, So you do a lot in the world. Do 110 00:06:15,879 --> 00:06:18,480 you have the podcast, you have your website, you're an 111 00:06:18,519 --> 00:06:23,879 accomplished author. You remember the Dog Writers' Association. But something's 112 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,879 been with you for almost three decades. You had me 113 00:06:26,959 --> 00:06:29,279 at woolf You had me at Wolf. What have you 114 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,920 been doing for almost thirty years, Cindy from the fostering 115 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,959 and rescuing side. Rescuing started with my very first dog 116 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,959 that I found during senior week of college wow, being 117 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,399 up to graduation, and he was just walking across the campus. 118 00:06:46,439 --> 00:06:49,279 And back then I lived on campus in a dorm. 119 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,680 So we went to the cafeteria and I'm walking across 120 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:58,480 this cafeteria, just off across the squad of different people 121 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:01,839 out playing frisbee and in the sunshine because people are 122 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:07,079 slowly getting done with their exams and the walking across, 123 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,360 and there's this beautiful furry headed dog and I, of 124 00:07:11,439 --> 00:07:15,519 course it's almost like today's therapy dogs. There he was 125 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,639 stopped to pet him, and the next thing I know, 126 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,759 he's in line with me in the cafeteria. 127 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,519 Speaker 4: So he had followed me into the cafeteria. I brought 128 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,439 him back out, I petted his head, went back with 129 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,519 my friends. And then later that day, I was in 130 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,399 the weight room and I went to put a set 131 00:07:32,439 --> 00:07:35,920 of dumbbells back on the rack, and I look in 132 00:07:35,959 --> 00:07:38,000 the mirror and there he is in the weight room, 133 00:07:38,279 --> 00:07:41,399 all the way across campus. I thought, all right, we 134 00:07:41,439 --> 00:07:43,199 got to figure this out. He didn't have a collar, 135 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,720 beautiful kind of keyshound type dog. 136 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:49,519 Speaker 3: Was he like a medium thirty to fifty pound dog. 137 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,759 Speaker 4: Yep, But I lived in a dorm in the weight room. 138 00:07:54,839 --> 00:07:57,040 Said well, I'll take him if you start working on 139 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:02,000 finding where he belongs. And we worked with the shelters 140 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,279 and the animal control. He stayed there for the week 141 00:08:05,399 --> 00:08:08,079 until graduation, and then I was living in town at 142 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,720 that time or moving into town, and he then became mine. 143 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 3: What's his name? What was his name? Snooka Snooka. Okay, 144 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:20,920 so you got the fostering adoption bug right there, didn't you. 145 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,079 Speaker 4: Well I did. We kept working at trying to find 146 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,480 him a home, and he loved me right away. He 147 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:28,680 was home as I could put him out in the 148 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,440 front yard and he would never wander. He wow, go by, 149 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,559 dogs go by, and he was just mine. And we 150 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,679 just became walking buddies. And after a month the animal 151 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:43,039 control said you either surrender him to us or you 152 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,320 keep them, and he became buddies. 153 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 3: Yes, so you have a double reason for writing this book. 154 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,399 Mom loves the dogs more so TuS up. You've got 155 00:08:54,519 --> 00:08:58,200 now two grown daughters. But what was the spark the 156 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,759 inspiration for you to say, I need to write this down, 157 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:01,960 I need to share this. 158 00:09:02,279 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 4: Well, well, back up, because I didn't write this book originally. 159 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,240 The book that you ended up seeing and have been 160 00:09:08,279 --> 00:09:13,399 reading was something else before. So we started fostering, okay. 161 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,679 And I found when I was fostering that I would 162 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,919 say I'm a foster and people would say, oh, I 163 00:09:18,919 --> 00:09:21,039 can never do that. I could never give them up. 164 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,039 And I thought that if I wrote the most inspiring book, 165 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,159 then we would get all these people to foster. So 166 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,559 I wrote a book on fostering, and I used our 167 00:09:30,639 --> 00:09:35,799 foster dogs as the examples of how to foster, how 168 00:09:35,799 --> 00:09:38,320 to do this, how to do that, and included their 169 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,600 stories and I sent I gave myself a year to 170 00:09:41,639 --> 00:09:44,159 write this book, and I did it. That was the thing. 171 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,320 Just sit down and do the darn thing and see 172 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,159 if you can do it. First of all, before saying 173 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:49,919 I'm going to write a book, is write the book, 174 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,679 and then you've been to yourselfie can do it. When 175 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,279 I sent it out to beta readers, who are those 176 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,879 early readers that you just want some surface level feedback, 177 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,080 they love the dog stories, but they felt it was 178 00:10:02,159 --> 00:10:04,360 just too much of a niche and I needed to 179 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,240 expand it. Well. Then it took me a while to 180 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,279 figure out what that arc was going to be to 181 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,320 make this a book that would be exciting to other 182 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,480 people to read, the masses to read. When I figured 183 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,279 out what that was, which was the story of my 184 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:25,240 family alongside these foster dogs, I had to back that 185 00:10:25,399 --> 00:10:27,720 up and say to the kids, I'm going to write 186 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,120 this story and you get to say yay or nay, 187 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,120 Well good say if you say no, I'll do something else. Well, 188 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,279 think of something else and how to do it. So 189 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,720 that's pretty much how it went. But that story and 190 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,679 what you're reading really began when our dog died. We 191 00:10:46,799 --> 00:10:50,679 had a family dog. Kids are moving into teens and 192 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:54,720 tweens at that point, and there's a lot of emotion, 193 00:10:55,279 --> 00:10:58,559 a lot of drama happening, and then the dog dies, 194 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,399 and that true the tsunami of emotions we had never 195 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:04,720 seen in the house before. 196 00:11:04,799 --> 00:11:09,879 Speaker 3: And what was your dog's name? Tell people quickly was Sierra. Sierra. 197 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 4: Sierra is the not the spitting image of Snooka, but 198 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,120 very similar of Keith Honland, and we ended up adopting 199 00:11:18,159 --> 00:11:21,559 her because she looked so much like Snooka and loved 200 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,639 his personality and in the end, loved her personality. And 201 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:30,320 she died unexpectedly. We were not totally unaware that she 202 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,080 had anything, and she pretty much died during Fourth of 203 00:11:34,159 --> 00:11:36,799 July weekend during fireworks. 204 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:37,799 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. 205 00:11:37,919 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 4: They believed that she had a heart attack. 206 00:11:40,639 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 3: Wow, and how old? And what are your daughter's names? 207 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:44,799 How old were they at the time. 208 00:11:45,159 --> 00:11:49,279 Speaker 4: So Mia was eleven and Anna was fourteen, and we 209 00:11:49,279 --> 00:11:53,639 were all just shaken to the core over this. But 210 00:11:53,759 --> 00:11:57,919 we also that it tripped something that you mean, things 211 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,039 happen as they're growing up. Just think, Oh, that's their personality, 212 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,919 that's their quirk. But then all of a sudden, this 213 00:12:06,279 --> 00:12:09,240 kind of tsunami of emotions came out, and it really 214 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:12,320 started me thinking that this is not something that's not 215 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,080 quite right. I just didn't know what that was or 216 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,200 even where to even begin thinking about what is not right. 217 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,159 But what I did know was I didn't like the 218 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:27,559 feeling in the house, that feeling of grief, and I figured, well, 219 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,399 I'm gonna let's let's get a new dog. We'll patch 220 00:12:30,879 --> 00:12:34,159 patch this grief by filling it with a new dog. 221 00:12:34,759 --> 00:12:37,440 And then we started talking about the new dog, and 222 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:41,480 nobody could agree, my husband, my kids, and me, you know, 223 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,519 looking at the fact that eventually they're going to move 224 00:12:44,519 --> 00:12:46,679 on and we're going to still have this dog, and 225 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:47,879 what is the dog I want? 226 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 3: What is the fuck? Oh my gosh. 227 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,799 Speaker 4: So none of us were agreen. And then it became 228 00:12:52,919 --> 00:12:57,919 that as those the fighting and intensity kept rising in 229 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,320 the house. I just kept having the sphere of what 230 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,679 if I make the wrong decision, What if I decide 231 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,480 on this dog? What if one daughter thinks that my 232 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,639 decision favors the other daughter? 233 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that is so man, there's so much. 234 00:13:13,879 --> 00:13:16,879 You aren't playing checkers, Cindy, You're playing chess on the 235 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,440 pro level, aren't you? With all these factors. 236 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,639 Speaker 4: With all the factors, and just that parenting moving into 237 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,559 that chaotic adolescent stage where you're a different you need 238 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,639 to become a different type of parent, but you don't 239 00:13:29,639 --> 00:13:32,679 really know how or what or so you just keep 240 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,080 doing the same things that you do. And a friend 241 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,000 of mine then recommended, well, why don't you foster? You know, 242 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,679 that way, you're not making any decisions. 243 00:13:40,879 --> 00:13:45,639 Speaker 3: Ah, smart friend, Ah, nice friend, Yes, yes, yes, what'd 244 00:13:45,639 --> 00:13:46,639 you think when you heard that? 245 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,519 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, what a foster's But you know, 246 00:13:49,159 --> 00:13:51,639 we get caught up in life and then somebody just 247 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,200 says something simple and profound. Well, I don't even really think. 248 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,840 Back then, I knew a lot about fostering. I didn't 249 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,960 know anybody that fostered. Okay, he was telling me that 250 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,240 she knew this person that fostered pregnant cats, and they 251 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,559 wouldn't help the mom until the babies were about eight 252 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,879 weeks old, and then another foster took those babies because 253 00:14:12,919 --> 00:14:15,759 then they had to get their shots and spade and 254 00:14:15,799 --> 00:14:18,080 all that, and then she'd get the next mom and 255 00:14:18,159 --> 00:14:21,200 the kids. Then her kids got to see the miracle 256 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:26,399 of birth. They didn't have this long term commitment to 257 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,840 the cat. They got to do their thing and then 258 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,039 take out fostering again. So when she explained all that 259 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,399 to me, I'm like, ah, this is great. You know, 260 00:14:34,519 --> 00:14:36,879 we're going to have this parade of dogs. You know, 261 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,000 if we love dogs, dogs are all have been part 262 00:14:40,039 --> 00:14:43,840 of our life, and everything's gonna be perfect, right. So 263 00:14:43,879 --> 00:14:47,080 we get the first dog, Poet. He's a little ten 264 00:14:47,159 --> 00:14:51,440 pound dog, and ken I didn't say anything to Linda, 265 00:14:51,679 --> 00:14:56,919 who was the founder co founder of Second Chance Animal Rescue. 266 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,559 She does the dog side, Nancy does the cat's side, 267 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,879 and Blinda had done the onboarding of us, but I 268 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:06,919 didn't say, oh, by the way, Mia likes little dogs 269 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,679 and Anna likes big dogs. It's who needs a home? 270 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,279 Speaker 3: And let me hit pause for a minute, because I 271 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,279 do want you to do it a little shout out 272 00:15:16,279 --> 00:15:21,320 about Second Chance because it's a pretty long running big 273 00:15:21,639 --> 00:15:24,720 rescue group in Minnesota, right it is. 274 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,519 Speaker 4: It's one of the oldest, and I want to say 275 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,919 thirty two, thirty three years now. 276 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 3: It's called Second Chance. 277 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 4: Second Chance Animal Rescue. And I know there are other 278 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,320 Second Chance Animal rescues, so you have to say second 279 00:15:39,399 --> 00:15:41,480 Chance Animal Rescue, Minnesota. 280 00:15:41,559 --> 00:15:44,679 Speaker 3: Okay, gotcha? Okay, So all right, so here comes Poet. 281 00:15:44,759 --> 00:15:45,399 What's going on? 282 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:45,679 Speaker 2: So? 283 00:15:45,799 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 4: Poet is a little papion mix. He looks like a 284 00:15:49,159 --> 00:15:53,840 little Jersey calf, black and white. Watches the big tufts 285 00:15:53,879 --> 00:15:57,240 of her coming out of the ears and the feathery tail, 286 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,879 and he has eyes for mea and she has eyes 287 00:16:02,919 --> 00:16:05,639 for him, because of course she wanted the pocket dog. 288 00:16:05,759 --> 00:16:09,039 She wanted the small dog. This dog had no eyes 289 00:16:09,159 --> 00:16:12,639 for anybody else in our family. And he was glued 290 00:16:12,679 --> 00:16:15,639 to her. He was he was a tough first dog 291 00:16:15,759 --> 00:16:19,440 to have as a foster. Okay, what happened? What started 292 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,919 happening is then my other daughter was like, how come 293 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:29,039 she gets her wish first? Because they're typical teenagers, right right? Well, 294 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,559 eventually a Poet was a difficult He was three years 295 00:16:32,559 --> 00:16:35,639 old when he came to us unnutered, so he got neutered, 296 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,399 not house trained, and at three he was just a 297 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,120 difficult dog to try and get to learn how to 298 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,440 use outside versus inside. And so we had some we 299 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:50,679 had some struggles with Pope that by the time I 300 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,840 felt we were comfortable making progress, we're going to put 301 00:16:53,879 --> 00:16:56,720 him up for adoption. And then it all falls apart 302 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,360 again because now I haven't let them or give them 303 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:05,079 the opportunity to heal properly with their grief from Sierra's death. 304 00:17:05,799 --> 00:17:08,839 Now I'm asking them to give up this dog. 305 00:17:09,279 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Mom, you didn't even know you were 306 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,000 causing a big old mess, did you. 307 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 4: Well. And that's the part about fostering. I wasn't really 308 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,200 grabbing my head around. I was thinking, oh, we're going 309 00:17:19,279 --> 00:17:21,519 to adopt these dogs out. We're going to check check, 310 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:24,200 check this list because we had committed to We're going 311 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,599 to foster six dogs. So I was going for the 312 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,200 foster win, which is to find them a new home, 313 00:17:29,759 --> 00:17:33,400 without realizing that there is a reality to fostering, and 314 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,279 that is there's a loss. It's a happy loss. 315 00:17:36,519 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 3: Thank you for saying that, because all of the dogs 316 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,559 and cats in my home come from the streets, are 317 00:17:41,599 --> 00:17:45,960 from shelters or from foster groups. And it's a happy loss. 318 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,599 But keep going, you hit. 319 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 4: It, it's a happy loss. But I think that's also 320 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,519 one of the reasons why we don't have as many 321 00:17:52,559 --> 00:17:56,119 people fostering, because loss is loss, and loss is grief, 322 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:01,640 and I have a strong belief that many people don't 323 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,880 know how to grieve properly, yeah and avoid it at 324 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:10,680 all costs. One of the things we did learn through 325 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,119 this whole fostering process is how to grief. Grief is 326 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,559 just part of what's going to happen, and you just 327 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,079 never know when it's going to happen and under what circumstances. 328 00:18:21,599 --> 00:18:25,000 In this first situation with Poet, I could not face 329 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,319 those kids going through this grief again, so I ended 330 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,440 up adopting him. Now, as you've probably heard, the term 331 00:18:31,599 --> 00:18:35,599 foster failure, and that is where if the foster home 332 00:18:35,759 --> 00:18:39,640 adopts their own foster dog into their become a resident. 333 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 3: Pret you know what I do. I guess I'm more positive. 334 00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:47,359 I call it foster's success because you realize this is 335 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,359 a good fit for your family and the home that 336 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,799 that dog needs is right here. So I call him 337 00:18:53,799 --> 00:18:56,480 foster successes. What do you think? I like that? I 338 00:18:56,519 --> 00:18:59,559 like it because otherwise people are always like looking down 339 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,720 and go oh and I'm a foster failure. No, pick 340 00:19:02,759 --> 00:19:05,960 your head up. This dog was meant to be for you. 341 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,160 So anyway, we're gonna take a quick break because we 342 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,039 got to talk a little bit more about her book, 343 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,200 Mom Loves the Dog More with Cindy Ochek after we 344 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,640 take this break, So sit stay, we'll be right. 345 00:19:17,519 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: Back time for a walk on the red car. But 346 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:24,920 of course all behave. 347 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 2: We'll be backing up lash right after these messages. 348 00:19:29,559 --> 00:19:33,039 Speaker 1: Begging to hear more of your favorite show, Hollful. Episodes 349 00:19:33,079 --> 00:19:35,759 of on our shows are available on demand. Go to 350 00:19:35,839 --> 00:19:38,920 Petlife Radio dot com to fed saur entire lineup of 351 00:19:39,039 --> 00:19:43,680 possum pet podcasts. Also dig us up in iHeartRadio, dan iTunes. 352 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,799 Let's Talk Pats live and on demand only from pet 353 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,880 Life Radio let's talk past it. 354 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 2: Let's pets talk about Life Radio, Headline Radio, Petlight Radio 355 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:58,480 dot Com. 356 00:19:58,759 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: Right it isn't Margaret Oh. 357 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,559 Speaker 6: I'm with Arden Moore on the Oh Behave shout on 358 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:04,960 Life Radio. 359 00:20:04,839 --> 00:20:05,559 Speaker 4: To be with it. 360 00:20:08,319 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: We're back from a lot. 361 00:20:09,839 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 2: Just check the paper and we had our record showing 362 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,119 at the box, the letterbox that is now back to 363 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:16,039 Oh Behave. 364 00:20:16,319 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 3: Here's Arden, Welcome back to the Obhay Show on pet 365 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,839 Life Radio. I'm your host, Arden Moore. There's a lot 366 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,960 of fostering folks, a lot. It's not just helping out 367 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,720 a pet and need. I mean you go on any 368 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,440 next door in your neighborhood and you will hear and 369 00:20:33,519 --> 00:20:36,799 see all the pets that are either lost abandoned. I 370 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,680 live in Dallas and that is not a great area 371 00:20:40,279 --> 00:20:43,559 because all of our fosters and homeless dogs seem to 372 00:20:43,559 --> 00:20:46,160 make their way up to your place in Minnesota. And 373 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,839 my sister and her husband in Northwest Indiana they do fostering, 374 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,240 so there is kind of a network. But I think 375 00:20:54,279 --> 00:20:58,720 your book is really needed right now because the joy, 376 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:02,920 the surface joy of providing security and food and love 377 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:05,680 to a pet that in the hopes of them getting 378 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,359 a permanent home is such a great but it does 379 00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:11,960 upend the home. And I think your book, you Know, 380 00:21:12,039 --> 00:21:14,480 Mom Loves the Dogs More. I think this is really 381 00:21:14,519 --> 00:21:17,279 the first book I've been aware of that it is 382 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,559 talking about what really happens the ugly side too. And 383 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,480 I'm not trying to be mean, but the reality you 384 00:21:24,519 --> 00:21:27,799 bring any sensient being into your home, it's going to 385 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,160 make an impact on everyone. You got it, You've hit 386 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,759 the nail on the head. It's not I'll go back 387 00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:37,039 and I mentioned my original book was to inspire. 388 00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:41,759 Speaker 4: People to foster. We'll see. We'll see if it inspires 389 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:44,640 people the foster. But I guess maybe that reality of 390 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,519 understanding what you're getting into is helpful for people to 391 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,519 frame it and then to seek the help that they 392 00:21:51,559 --> 00:21:54,440 may need. In that part about letting go. If letting 393 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,279 go is the hard part for you, there are plenty 394 00:21:57,279 --> 00:22:01,200 of resources, especially many of the rescue are there, have 395 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,279 your foster mentor there to help you get through that 396 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,160 grief process. And for the most part, it is a 397 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,799 happy letting go to know that you're a matchmaker. Yesterday 398 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,279 was at a fundraiser and the woman who just adopted 399 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,200 snickers in midnight. These two cats that I had for 400 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,039 almost eight months. It was hard to let them go. 401 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,559 I get weekly updates from Oh that's nice. 402 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 3: You know. 403 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,039 Speaker 4: That warms my heart to know that they've gone on 404 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,799 to a good place. And now I've got another cat, 405 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,720 Nor who's going to be a long term resident. 406 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 3: Spell Nor because it's an unusual spelling. 407 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 4: It's no you are. She came from of all places, 408 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,880 she came from Cairo, Egypt. 409 00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 3: Nice. 410 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,279 Speaker 4: And as my friend Laurie would say to me, when 411 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,200 you teach your kids to care, you have to be 412 00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:52,359 prepared for them caring. So Mia has now gone on 413 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:57,240 to become a veterinarian, and she spent a month in 414 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:02,559 Cairo working with a rescue and a rescue that works. 415 00:23:02,279 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 3: With a veterinary clinic. Oh that's awesome. 416 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,079 Speaker 4: Nor was she's two years old, but spent a year 417 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,880 and a half with them living in the veterinary clinic. 418 00:23:13,319 --> 00:23:13,839 Speaker 3: Wow. 419 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 4: Just very different circumstances, and most of their adoptions through 420 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,599 the rescue happened internationally rather than locally. 421 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,319 Speaker 3: So what about your daughter Anna, Anna? I don't know 422 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,559 the Restnna Anna. So she was fourteen when you brought 423 00:23:29,599 --> 00:23:31,400 a poet to your what's up with Anna? 424 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 4: Now she now lives in North Dakota with a farmer. 425 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,839 So they have a big farm, which is perfect for 426 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,559 her because she has equines's a couple of horses and 427 00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:47,200 a donkey rescue donkey, and then her menagerie includes two 428 00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:48,079 cats a dog. 429 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 3: Okay, so raising teenagers and trying to be a foster mom. 430 00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:56,640 And we got to do obviously a shout out to 431 00:23:56,759 --> 00:23:58,680 your hobby. You want to say hi to him because 432 00:23:58,720 --> 00:23:59,720 he might be listening to this. 433 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 4: He's a quiet guy. I'll say hello, Joe, but he's okay. 434 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 3: So you know, can you give some tips to parents 435 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,799 that have kids when you want to include fostering of 436 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,400 dogs or cats are both in the household, What can 437 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,119 you share, like three tips because you know that might 438 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,400 help people tune it in. 439 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 4: I would say frame it right off the bat that 440 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,720 these are not your resident pets, that your goal is 441 00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:30,000 to get them into a new home so that it 442 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:32,720 opens space in your home for the next dog or 443 00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:37,799 cat in need, or donkey or rabbit, guinea pig. 444 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 3: Gerbil partridge and a pear tree. 445 00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 4: And so that's number one is just frame the I 446 00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:45,960 like that our goal here is to get them adopted out, 447 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,920 so we can continue fostering and not keep them. I 448 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,799 would say number two is this is a family activity. 449 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,319 It will probably fall to a parent in terms of 450 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,839 being the project manager to make sure or the animals 451 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,640 are fed and consistently taken care of. But more than anything, 452 00:25:05,759 --> 00:25:10,559 it's getting the kids involved. Yeah, the animal transition into 453 00:25:10,599 --> 00:25:14,200 the family and know that they're all equal in terms 454 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,119 of expectation. They can they'll get fed, They're going to 455 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,880 get their enrichment through all of the family and not 456 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,839 worrying about somebody off in the corner. So this is 457 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,200 now a family activity. If you bring that animal into 458 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:29,680 your home and just have fun, it really is fun. 459 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:34,960 We've had every animal comes in with different personalities. Find 460 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,039 out what their personality is. Are they poet? 461 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 3: Of all the. 462 00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 4: Crazy things that this little ten pound poet love to 463 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,599 run circles in the backyard. 464 00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:45,319 Speaker 1: I do too. 465 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:48,559 Speaker 3: It's really it's really it's a good aerobic exercise. I 466 00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:51,319 get dizzy sometimes. 467 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,319 Speaker 4: So you as our circle runner Shiloh. When I first 468 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:59,160 got Shiloh, the dog that became our foster success, thank you, 469 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,599 he went out to a home. She was gone for 470 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,640 four years after fostering and they needed to rehome her. 471 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,680 Oh my gosh, medical issues. She was our dog that 472 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,759 would stand at the stairs, roll the ball down, run down, 473 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,000 pick up the ball, barn, roll it down again, and 474 00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:21,720 loved to do that over and over. Frankie, the guy 475 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:24,839 that's on our cover of Mom loves the dogs more. 476 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,559 He's a little probably a shitsoo mix of something. 477 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 3: You got to say it like this, you know it ready. 478 00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:37,279 Speaker 4: Just remember he turned out. He loved to swim. The 479 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,559 crazy He'd get in the water and he was chasing 480 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,599 ducks and sticks and he didn't matter that he was 481 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,160 in ten feet of water. He just went around paddling. 482 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,680 I bet he would have been a great doc dog. 483 00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:54,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, So how do you juggle mom being a mom 484 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,119 and being a foster mom so that kids don't feel 485 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,000 slided and you got the wonderful teenage years. Do you 486 00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:04,319 have any insight into that that maybe you learned the 487 00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:04,759 hard way. 488 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,039 Speaker 4: That's a really good question. I would say that in 489 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,039 the end, for all that we went through, and we 490 00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:13,240 didn't even get to that part of what we ended 491 00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:16,759 up finding through all this fostering, and that going back 492 00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:21,839 to when I was saying there was something in the stress, 493 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,359 in the tsunami of emotions, We later found out that 494 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,920 both girls were diagnosed with ADHD on the opposite ends 495 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:36,480 of the spectrum. One was hyperactive, one was inattentive. So 496 00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:40,000 we needed to manage all of that. But the beauty 497 00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:44,000 of fostering in the end is it was caring for 498 00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:47,440 the dogs that kept us together. There were so many 499 00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:51,640 things that wanted to pull us apart, just teenage years, 500 00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:56,160 kids growing up, becoming independent, and then you throw in 501 00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:02,160 mental health challenges, their own desire to be their own people. 502 00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:06,319 It was tough, but they both had anxiety, so managing 503 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,640 all that men, working with their counselors, working with school, 504 00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:13,200 working with medications, but we always had this thing to 505 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,880 come back to, which was the dogs. Now, not one 506 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,519 of them ever helped me when it came to moving 507 00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:23,359 a dog on and taking a dog to visit with 508 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,279 their new family. They that was the part I had 509 00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:29,359 to learn, I'm going to do this yourself, Okay. They 510 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,839 couldn't tough for them. Goodbye was hard. 511 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,279 Speaker 3: I'm glad that you brought that up, because it is 512 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,000 you know, you're you're you're trying to help this pet 513 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:39,640 get a permanent home. But the pet has left a 514 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,920 imprint on all of you. But I love that. You know, 515 00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:47,480 I'm wondering some of these dogs. Did they help Anna 516 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,079 and Mia a little bit? Sometimes that something that a 517 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,480 mom couldn't do but a dog could. 518 00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 4: Oh. Absolutely. You have a lot of guests on your 519 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,119 show that deal with pet behaviors and training. All all 520 00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:04,400 of our dogs were perfectly trainable to sit if somebody 521 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,519 came to the door. But our kids would come home 522 00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:09,480 from school, put that backpack down, lay down on the floor. 523 00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:12,599 I let all the dogs and cats jump on them, 524 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,319 liquor to everything. I got to the point that is 525 00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:20,680 their thing, that is their happy spot. So the animals 526 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,480 were the place where they could be their own. Anna 527 00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:26,160 would take out the big dogs and they'd go walk 528 00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:29,960 for miles. Mia would lay with them, talk to their 529 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,559 hips they were supposed to be created. At night, they 530 00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:36,279 would take them out of the crates and snuggle with them, 531 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,079 and it was just it was exactly what I wanted 532 00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:42,559 a dog to do, which is to be that friend 533 00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:46,559 that a parent and it sometimes our own friends can't 534 00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:51,240 be just. They love us unconditionally, and having that being 535 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,759 that will connect with them without any strings attached was 536 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,680 just a fabulous thing for them to have. All these 537 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,039 different pets in the house. Well, we have just a 538 00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:04,000 few minutes left. So how can people get their pause 539 00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:07,160 on your book, Mom Loves the Dogs More? How can 540 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,160 they follow you author to author? You've got to speak up, 541 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:15,400 speak to me absolutely. My website is Cindyowrights dot com, 542 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,680 which should be easy enough for most people to. 543 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 3: To nagod site. 544 00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:22,559 Speaker 4: I saw it, and then from there you can get 545 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:25,960 to the book. You can get to my Sumstack newsletter, 546 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,400 which is like people like Pets and that I explore 547 00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:32,759 how we mirror each other and how we enhance each 548 00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:35,720 other's lives through just being who we are and who 549 00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:38,400 pets are. That's one easy way. 550 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 3: Well from Dog Sierra, Frankie, Poet Kitties Snickers Midnight. And 551 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:46,680 you never forget a foster, do you? 552 00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 4: I don't. It's interesting my kids now are starting to 553 00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:56,440 forget who does what when in the middle of it's 554 00:30:56,519 --> 00:31:00,720 time for adoption. We can't let them go. Well, I'm 555 00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:03,799 they're my best friend. And then you move on because 556 00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:06,079 you know they've gone somewhere happy, so you can let 557 00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:08,240 that go and move on to the next one. Me, 558 00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:10,720 on the other hand, I'm holding all these stories to 559 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:11,319 my heart. 560 00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 3: Well, and you're sharing them, and we need to hear 561 00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:17,359 your story. So I do applaud you because this is 562 00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:21,759 a real reality check. You're peeling back the onion of 563 00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:25,240 what it's like to truly have fosters in your home, 564 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,119 and I think I haven't seen that before, So I 565 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,759 really applaud you for that last question. How have foster 566 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:37,119 dogs and cats made you, Cindy Ochk a better human? Oh? 567 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:39,279 Speaker 4: Where do we begin? How much time did you say? 568 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,599 Speaker 3: Oh? I got to kind of catch for my next 569 00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:44,880 birthdays coming up in six days, so just kind of 570 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,400 pose it up before then, just teasing. So seriously, what's some. 571 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 4: It makes me step up and see them for their 572 00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:56,000 individuality when you read the story, the story is equal 573 00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:59,119 parts family and kids, equal parts dogs. But when you 574 00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:02,799 put it all together, it's really about stepping back so 575 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,240 that if you're interacting with another living being, are you 576 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,839 seeing them for who they are and providing them what 577 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,839 they need? And I like that that's really it is 578 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,200 about love, But it's about seeing and giving them what 579 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,680 they need, interacting with them and the way they want 580 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,799 in order to bring that joy and when they're happy. Wow, 581 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,920 it's when you take these dogs that come in that 582 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,880 are scared and their whole life ended and abused. Some 583 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,119 of them have just their owners couldn't take care of 584 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,599 them anymore, or the owners went on to assisted living 585 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,960 or a nursing home. They're all scared, they're all and 586 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,160 and you're not just you know what it's like as 587 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,000 a person to be in a new situation and you 588 00:32:48,079 --> 00:32:50,400 know what your kids are are facing. It helps you 589 00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:56,920 be more empathetic towards animals, towards people, knowing that everything 590 00:32:57,119 --> 00:32:59,720 you have no idea really what's going on behind them. 591 00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:02,880 But if you step back and you see them for 592 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,519 who they are and then work within that framework, it 593 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,359 makes life a lot easier and a much better relationship. 594 00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:13,839 Speaker 3: I agree. Nineteen days ago we brought Nova into our home. 595 00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:17,279 She is a twenty three pound brown dog and she's 596 00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:20,759 three four years old, comes from a shelter. I'm going 597 00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:23,599 to do a shout out to Eastlake Pet Orphanage, and 598 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,039 I told my spouse every day, every day, the goal 599 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,319 is to make Nova feel safe. Once Nova feels safe, 600 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,400 we're gonna see her personality and we're seeing it and 601 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,920 it is a nice evolution. It's humanity for a four layer. 602 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,400 So hey, everybody, I have been honored to have on 603 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,720 our show. Cindy Ochak yep, not the hockey player, the 604 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,359 author and foster superstar of pets from Saint Paul, Minnesota. 605 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,119 Again go to cindyowrights dot com at this time too, 606 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,960 I need to do a shout out. I don't need to, 607 00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:03,240 I want to to. My producer, Mark Winter is the 608 00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:06,240 executive producer of Pet Life Radio. 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