Speaker 1: In my manuscript, I in put a chapter on the
Speaker 1: French Revolution and execution technology, whereby people were categorically exterminated.
Speaker 1: That's the first time that's happened at industrial scale. And
Speaker 1: you know, the the guillotine machine, it came out of
Speaker 1: that same exigency because it's not really easy to behead somebody,
Speaker 1: you know, you Ukraine swordsman.
Speaker 2: Leimulate, you know, I read that chapter. Yeah, it's fucking disturbing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, you know, but after when swords started
Speaker 1: falling out of favor, I mean just because of battlefield
Speaker 1: tech and stuff, there's fewer and fewer of man good
Speaker 1: wield a sword. So most executioners are trained on with
Speaker 1: an axe, you know, and an axe. An axe is heavy,
Speaker 1: it's unwieldy, and it's got a uniform angle. Like Mary,
Speaker 1: Queen of Scott's I read recently about her execution.
Speaker 2: It's horrible.
Speaker 1: The executioner had a striker at multiple times and it
Speaker 1: still didn't finish the job, so he ended up having
Speaker 1: to saw the remainder like with the ax. And even
Speaker 1: even people who wanted to see the old woman lose
Speaker 1: her head were disgusted by it and they started like
Speaker 1: heckling the executioner. You had to be like rushed away underguard.
Speaker 1: But the genius of the guillotine was the blaves at
Speaker 1: a forty five degree angle, so it slays cleanly. And
Speaker 1: if it's properly greased, it probably greased track mechanism and
Speaker 1: the blades well maintained. It works pretty much one hundred
Speaker 1: percent of the time, you know. And and France, France
Speaker 1: was executing people with the guillotine until the seventies, you know,
Speaker 1: when when they abolished capital punishment.
Speaker 2: Here's a well, here's a here, here's a good one
Speaker 2: for you. There's a little piece of trivia. France was
Speaker 2: still France used the guillotine after Star Wars was released
Speaker 2: to theaters. I mean, that's how that's how modern day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's how modern day they were using it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The last man executed in France, he was this really
Speaker 1: disturbed the French ell Jerry and Guy. I think it
Speaker 1: was Roman Catholic too. He wasn't, he wasn't some but
Speaker 1: that's before France would just import felonious refugees who were
Speaker 1: constitutionally at odds with the national culture. But he he
Speaker 1: raped and murdered some poor girl and the description of
Speaker 1: France's final execution. It's wild because by that point it
Speaker 1: was in an enclosed chamber on the penet century premises.
Speaker 1: It wasn't publicly exhibited anymore, which I think is bad.
Speaker 1: I have no desire to go watch them and be executed,
Speaker 1: but if people want to, they should be able to.
Speaker 1: It's not something that should be done in secret at midnight,
Speaker 1: like it's some sort of dirty thing. But what upsets me,
Speaker 1: and it's a plot point in one of the combas
Speaker 1: scenes in Steel Storm where a Zona Sault super loses
Speaker 1: his head then but because of his enhanced physiology and
Speaker 1: cybernetic adjustments, like his head rains conscious for like a
Speaker 1: full minute. So when he loses his head in mindsets
Speaker 1: his head on his body literally picks it up. But
Speaker 1: then the system like shorts out because it can't make
Speaker 1: sense the stimulus and the kinesthesis of his of his
Speaker 1: cybernetic you know, enhancements and things. But I got that idea,
Speaker 1: not just because I was trying to be freaky and weird,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's just three. The Gemini Killer talks
Speaker 1: about it. When he beheads people, he shows their body,
Speaker 1: He shows them their body because he said that heads
Speaker 1: can remain conscious. That's probably true, and that's pretty horrible.
Speaker 1: I guess most it speculated, like the shock of that
Speaker 1: sort of catastrophic injury would you know, cause a cessation
Speaker 1: of consciousness, but not necessarily. And so when I saw
Speaker 1: Legion when I was a teenager, that stuck in my mind,
Speaker 1: so I started researching it later and that's why I
Speaker 1: included him steel Storm. But in any event, the the
Speaker 1: reason why the guillotine is the name of the guillot,
Speaker 1: and there was a doctor Guiltan. He testified before the
Speaker 1: revolutionary government because they were killing so many people, you know,
Speaker 1: and he's like, this is awful, and they just said
Speaker 1: they just said, random deputized cadre is doing it too.
Speaker 1: They didn't even have trained executioners. Yet here's an ax
Speaker 1: you know, do it. And he's like, that's not humane.
Speaker 1: So he proposed a machine be devised, and people thought
Speaker 1: it was like joke, you know, and there's another macabre
Speaker 1: about the French, and they're like, there really is, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a They thought it was really funny. But then
Speaker 1: two years later a prototype was actually developed by the
Speaker 1: guy who was the chief of surgery at the primary
Speaker 1: teaching hospital and so he retained this Uh he retained
Speaker 1: this guy from Saxony, which makes sense to like engineer
Speaker 1: the thing, but it was it was associated with guillotine
Speaker 1: for you know, in perpetuity, because he was the guy
Speaker 1: who first proposed it. But the whole idea was, you know,
Speaker 1: how to efficiently kill as many people as possible and
Speaker 1: you know with with with the use of industrial industrial machinery.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, so it and like I said, I
Speaker 1: the reason why in the manuscript I deal with that process.
Speaker 1: And they ultimately, what what the Jagouins ultimately decided on
Speaker 1: is they they take these they take these these these
Speaker 1: these disused ships, these cargo ship hulks, and uh they
Speaker 1: forced people into them and then they drag them off
Speaker 1: shore and then they sink them and drown everybody. And
Speaker 1: they were doing this over and over again, you know,
Speaker 1: men and women and kids, regardless of age, sex, overall health.
Speaker 1: They they were just exterminating people, you know, the and
Speaker 1: that's uh interestingly I realized, and uh I realized ERNSTLTI
Speaker 1: he was talking about uh discreet causal nexus and uh
Speaker 1: a dialectical process where by the German Reich and the
Speaker 1: Soviet state or an immediate conceptual dialogue of one another.
Speaker 1: But he didn't really deal with the Jacob and Terror
Speaker 1: at least not that I've read. And I've read most
Speaker 1: of what he wrote, with the exception of some Uh
Speaker 1: I can I can generally read German, but something like
Speaker 1: Nolty that's that Densie. I just can't because I keep
Speaker 1: having it like referra to with you know. But uh,
Speaker 1: it's so the stuff that was just never translated, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of a scure essays a hit, especially from early
Speaker 1: in his academic career. But I don't think he's ever
Speaker 1: I don't think he ever took on a dedicated analysis
Speaker 1: so that Jacob and Terror and it can never be
Speaker 1: known how many people were massacred, you know, and any anybody,
Speaker 1: any historian who tries to positive number, I mean, what
Speaker 1: what would he be basing that on? You know, there
Speaker 1: weren't like what what would be your what would be
Speaker 1: your source of data points and things? But you know
Speaker 1: that I, like I said, I believe that it's an
Speaker 1: issue of first impression, that's and attempting to social engineering
Speaker 1: by violence, whereby it's declared okay. There's certain categories of
Speaker 1: human beings that are just inegicable or or their existence
Speaker 1: and their ability to retain a historical memory of what
Speaker 1: preceded the current regime means that, you know, they're an
Speaker 1: obstacle to the realization of of hlebiological schema just just
Speaker 1: annihilating them. That that that they've never been attempted before.
Speaker 1: You know, like I said, the you can't just chruge
Speaker 1: itself to being derivative of, you know, the brutalizing effect
Speaker 1: of industrial technology and things like that, because the you know,
Speaker 1: the the concept came first and on the machinery was
Speaker 1: devised to realize the concept, you know, So it's pretty uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I realized it on a
Speaker 1: cop subject. But it's important and but I uh, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to uh, I'm trying to adjust my should a
Speaker 1: framework at present to write this book on the right
Speaker 1: wing resistance from America first until really Ruby Ridge and
Speaker 1: then that's kind of cut off points in nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 1: you know, and then obviously the things kind of became
Speaker 1: relegated to online discourse, which you know, in the nineties
Speaker 1: was genuinely subcultural. COVID definitely changed a lot of things.
Speaker 1: I know that that's when people claim that like all
Speaker 1: these like lanes and olds and stuff got online. But
Speaker 1: the big change to me was after nine to eleven,
Speaker 1: Like I realized high speed internet then was still comparatively
Speaker 1: rare in people's homes, but everybody was scared and they
Speaker 1: were thirsty for information on the unational situation and terrorism
Speaker 1: and stuff, like all kinds of all kinds of legacy
Speaker 1: media sites sort of blowing up, you know, and then
Speaker 1: guys like Drudge started blowing up. I mean Drudge was
Speaker 1: added since like nineteenninety six. And remember being in college
Speaker 1: and all the all the college Republican side guys were
Speaker 1: You'd sit in the computer lab in the morning before
Speaker 1: class and all in fools would be like Drudge was
Speaker 1: like their go to.
Speaker 2: You know, listening watching some gay joo aggregate aggregate information
Speaker 2: and basically your big break is take something that got
Speaker 2: stolen off of a newsweek reporters desk.
Speaker 3: You know, well it was weird too. I mean, maybe
Speaker 3: it's good.
Speaker 1: I'm like a data fiend that I always have then,
Speaker 1: but even then when it was harder, when he I
Speaker 1: used to go out and buy six or seven newspapers,
Speaker 1: you know, just that I could get it and back then.
Speaker 1: As for newspapers, I mean, obviously it wasn't obviously it
Speaker 1: was conceptual biases, but it wasn't like just like naked
Speaker 1: tabloid garbage. But that took ja the dude to kind
Speaker 1: of put together a conceptual picture. You know this, so this, this,
Speaker 1: they do that, George, we're doing some revolutionary when yeah,
Speaker 1: the dude was just some slub who was uh yeah,
Speaker 1: he was just he was He was just cruising all
Speaker 1: the legacy media websites, at least ones that had an
Speaker 1: online presidence, and then like like you know, copy pasta
Speaker 1: his head his the headlines. I want to answer this
Speaker 1: dude's question before I before it slips my mind. Would
Speaker 1: you read the French Revolution? It is a model fall
Speaker 1: left wing revolution of my didnity.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's always deliberate, like I don't think
Speaker 1: the Kremer Rouge. We're sitting around saying, okay, this is
Speaker 1: this is how you create a conceptual environment by way
Speaker 1: of annihilation therapy that will allow us to accomplish our objectives.
Speaker 1: But intrinsic to revolutionary communism, just like intrinsic to the
Speaker 1: Jacobin movement, there's there's there's homicidal aspects to it. It's
Speaker 1: practice always resolves in mass homicide because uh, you know,
Speaker 1: you can't you can't just force people to historical memory
Speaker 1: to be erased. You can superficially get people to comply
Speaker 1: with things, either because they're scared or because they they
Speaker 1: don't really care and their notion as well. You know,
Speaker 1: if I abide superficially these sorts of regime dictims, that's
Speaker 1: the way to get ahead. But that's not good enough
Speaker 1: because what came before will still be what they rely
Speaker 1: upon conceptually, the structure human relationships and things like wealth.
Speaker 1: You know, that was the whole That was the whole problem.
Speaker 1: You know, and even like relative reformers like Cruise Ship
Speaker 1: when he was talking about you know, crucis big slogan
Speaker 1: was communism by the year two thousand. You know, he's like,
Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta find a way to get because
Speaker 1: you said, the problem wasn't just to find a means
Speaker 1: of exchange and to build enough productive capital up that
Speaker 1: that you know, shortages have been totally eradicated. But also
Speaker 1: he said people I was just like attached to money.
Speaker 1: He's like, we've got to break people this idea that
Speaker 1: they need some means of exchange. We'll never be able
Speaker 1: to do that, you know, like people if there's no money, people,
Speaker 1: I mean, don't dunk guys in prison trade packs of ramen,
Speaker 1: noodles and cigarettes.
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, well that's money. You know.
Speaker 1: How do you totally break people of these concepts of
Speaker 1: assigned value? Well, the only way it would literally be
Speaker 1: to exterminate everybody who as a memory of that existing
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, inculcate the pure generation with an
Speaker 1: understanding that that's never existed, you know. And that's that's why, uh,
Speaker 1: that's the khmue Rouge mobilized kids the way they did,
Speaker 1: you know. And I invoked them as an example, not
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm trying to make a polemical point about
Speaker 1: how awful communism is, but you know, like I said
Speaker 1: in their discussion of Paul Pott, Paul Pott was actually
Speaker 1: pretty sophisticated. That but the whole Camier Cadre was and
Speaker 1: Paul Pott he was a lesser aristocrat and one of
Speaker 1: his sisters had had been a concubine of the king.
Speaker 1: You know, he held himself out is I'm this poor peasant,
Speaker 1: you know, and my parents were poor farmers. That was
Speaker 1: a lie, you know. And he he was highly educated.
Speaker 1: He spent his formative years as a as an adolescent,
Speaker 1: a young guy in Paris. He knew what he was doing,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's sort of a pure communist praxis,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think a lot of the post
Speaker 1: sixty eight schismatics. So then the communist movement they just
Speaker 1: kind of looked to Mao and Maoism because they're like, well,
Speaker 1: this is the this is the countervailing tendency to Sovietism,
Speaker 1: which they view as totally stayed and bureaucratic, among other things.
Speaker 1: And I don't I think Mao was was an idiot.
Speaker 1: I think he was a buffoon, like I think height
Speaker 1: zero understanding of anything. He was illiterate. But Paul Pott
Speaker 1: was not and identifying something like a democratic Campuscia. And
Speaker 1: there were guys in Guingham Chomsky who they've redacted this
Speaker 1: now they're defenders, I mean, who said this is an
Speaker 1: example of pure communism and the praxis is correct, and
Speaker 1: there's something to that, you know. Uh, the Khmer Rouge
Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't overthrow the the London all regime
Speaker 1: and then set up this pullet Bureau of Generals and
Speaker 1: you know middle aged party men who then proceeded to
Speaker 1: basically like install themselves as you know, the new secular monarchy.
Speaker 1: You know, they they created a you know, they create
Speaker 1: year zero. You know that you had cadre leaders, uh
Speaker 1: you know at the battle at Ko tang Uh that
Speaker 1: was the battalion sized element and like the old man
Speaker 1: on the ground commanding force, it was twenty three years old.
Speaker 1: You know, it was a bunch of teenagers that he
Speaker 1: was leading. You know, I mean, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that pure Marcis Lennon. His practice has to entail kids,
Speaker 1: is your as your parisan element. But it makes sense
Speaker 1: to do that, you know. So I've tried to tease
Speaker 1: that out of people's minds when they claim to be MAOIs.
Speaker 1: What is that what they're talking about?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: And they played koy about it, because, like I said,
Speaker 1: if you're talking an educated person and you say that,
Speaker 1: you know, you think them we're going to camp and
Speaker 1: she is this like wonderful model, will think you're a
Speaker 1: psycho or an idiot or something. But I but I'm
Speaker 1: gleeming that people actually know their subject matter when they
Speaker 1: say they're Maoist, that's what they're talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: and that that uh like that's what's interest thing too,
Speaker 1: because I would have imagined, Uh, Jackson Hinkel, who I
Speaker 1: actually uh, I actually have some respect for. He's an
Speaker 1: interesting dude. He's not a he's not a he's not
Speaker 1: a pey King fanboy, but he's definitely an apologist. And
Speaker 1: it chocked out more though that that's the only real
Speaker 1: living example of anything approaching of Marxist Leninist practice today.
Speaker 1: You know, I think there's uh and of course, uh,
Speaker 1: the situation in Yemen is interesting, and you know, like
Speaker 1: we talked about, I think, uh, a lot of those
Speaker 1: Yemeni's under arms, they uh, they they'll they'll wave the
Speaker 1: hammer and sickle and stuff. Because South Yemen was THO
Speaker 1: was the only Marxist Leninist Arab state and it's kind
Speaker 1: of been their intellectual DNA to have some of those
Speaker 1: aspects as a reference point, you know, and the d
Speaker 1: d R was also all over Yemen. It's it's really interesting.
Speaker 3: It uh.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I what I was that was tangential, But
Speaker 1: I think, uh, I think people like Hinkle into a
Speaker 1: lesser of v Emmanuel Wallerstein and some of these more
Speaker 1: moderate guys. I think they only hold out the PRC
Speaker 1: is because like this, Ahla, I think, you know, if
Speaker 1: there was, if there was still a Soviet Union around,
Speaker 1: they they'd be a lot more critical.
Speaker 3: Because I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't see how anybody can hold it out as
Speaker 1: some sort of like model of developed socialism, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's it's not.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can translate. I don't think you
Speaker 1: can translate Marcus Leninism to an oriental society.
Speaker 3: I don't think it works. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's the conceptual vocabulary there, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's why that's why a man like Mao became hantual.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think danzel Ping was the real brains
Speaker 1: behind uh the Communist party there and uh. But he
Speaker 1: you know, he was a techno creat he didn't. I
Speaker 1: think he probably understood the the ideological doctrine that supposedly
Speaker 1: pick King was a biting better than his comrades, but
Speaker 1: I I.
Speaker 3: Don't think he was rinally invested in it.
Speaker 2: But that point, I thought it was interesting when I
Speaker 2: started looking at Mao's when I started going after Maos
Speaker 2: China and seeing what was going on there that I
Speaker 2: would go to the In the Forward magazine in twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: writes an article about how eighty percent of Mao's advisors
Speaker 2: in the beginning were Jews, and most of them were
Speaker 2: from New York City, even Guggenheim's daughter. It's like, I mean,
Speaker 2: there's also in I think it may have been in
Speaker 2: two hundred years together Socialistan talks about a revolutionary, a
Speaker 2: Soviet Jew who went to China and they kicked them out.
Speaker 2: They were just like, yeah, we can yeah, we just leave.
Speaker 3: Leave.
Speaker 2: We can't deal with you, because when you're dealing with
Speaker 2: New York Jews, you're dealing with people who are not
Speaker 2: they're not revolutionary, they're not there, they haven't killed anybody.
Speaker 2: And then you have these Russia, these Soviet Jews who
Speaker 2: come there and it's like, all right, all right, you
Speaker 2: guys need you guys are way out of him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, one hundred percent, and yeah, it's uh, well,
Speaker 1: it's awesome.
Speaker 3: I mean it's like I was talking.
Speaker 1: About Dad, like the other day, Uh we we had
Speaker 1: to go pick up his prescriptions.
Speaker 3: We a little bit of a drive.
Speaker 1: And you know, like we we talk a lot on
Speaker 1: the road, like we always have, you know, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know that the Communists were were winning in the
Speaker 1: Cold War in military terms. I mean, I think really
Speaker 1: until the final cycle of hostility, but before the Sino
Speaker 1: Soviets split, they they had the planets. I don't think
Speaker 1: people don't even understand that, you know. That's why I
Speaker 1: argue assessantly with these people are so ignorant, like like
Speaker 1: the Vietnam War, there was no vital interest there. I'm like,
Speaker 1: the Communists had the planet. Man, you can't say, you
Speaker 1: can't declare the Truman doctor and then say, you know what,
Speaker 1: we were just kidding. You know, we're not We're not
Speaker 1: We're not gonna fight for our client states when they're
Speaker 1: under attack by by the Eastern Bloc. You know, we
Speaker 1: we we were lying about that, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: what's what's some vital interest at that point? You know,
Speaker 1: if you have I mean think out, uh, think about
Speaker 1: a territorial contiguous mass from East Berlin to Vladivostok down
Speaker 1: to Pyongyang that also entails the entirety of China in Mongolia.
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable. That's insurmountable, you know, and if you if
Speaker 1: it had held together, you know, uh, I mean, how
Speaker 1: do you even fight that?
Speaker 3: You could?
Speaker 1: Uh, you kill three hundred million people with strategud new
Speaker 1: lear forces and still not defeat them. You might be
Speaker 1: able to break their ability to make war temporarily, you know,
Speaker 1: but but then what you know that this thing was
Speaker 1: a monolith, and uh, you know, I don't, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. Uh, I well, can't get their mind around that,
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, you you must have bid
Speaker 1: declared policy imperatives when you're talking about uh a global
Speaker 1: conflict paradigm, you know.
Speaker 3: Well, but yeah, it's fast.
Speaker 2: Isn't it hard for someone to be able to the
Speaker 2: average person? I mean, and even the average person is
Speaker 2: a journalist or an academic. I mean, these aren't intelligent people.
Speaker 2: It's hard for them to be able to think about
Speaker 2: think on a global scale while they're preaching and shoving
Speaker 2: liberalism down people's throat, which is individual which is individuality,
Speaker 2: live and let live, and that just butts up against
Speaker 2: that whole idea. So they I mean, right from the start,
Speaker 2: this whole project was doomed to get to where it
Speaker 2: is now because you're preaching On one hand, you're preaching individualism.
Speaker 2: On the other hand, you're realizing that other you know,
Speaker 2: really intelligent people are realizing on a global scale, we're
Speaker 2: looking at being taken over in liberalism may be the
Speaker 2: way that they're going to do it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, And I realize these people are are cretans.
Speaker 1: And I mean, in addition to being just bad people,
Speaker 1: they're monumentally ignorant.
Speaker 3: I just don't you know, even.
Speaker 1: If even if a politics isn't your thing, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, look a look at a world map in
Speaker 1: the year ninety sixty five, a political map, I mean
Speaker 1: of the planet. You know, people, America just survived. But
Speaker 1: you know, if a communist victory, the America would have
Speaker 1: been this kind of garrison island state, it would be
Speaker 1: a lot poorer, you know, it'd be a much more
Speaker 1: close society. There'd be shortages of some things. But that's
Speaker 1: not I mean, I I think I could tolerate pretty
Speaker 1: much anything because I'm so tough or something. But I've
Speaker 1: got to I've just got to higher tolerance for like
Speaker 1: being uncomfortable with most people and hokies. It might sound
Speaker 1: my faith kind of carries me through, but like nine
Speaker 1: percent of Americans would really not want to live in
Speaker 1: a world that I just described. They would not like that,
Speaker 1: you know, and it wouldn't it wouldn't be if you
Speaker 1: was this idea, I think that, oh well, if that
Speaker 1: had happened, you know, maybe like you know, maybe toilet
Speaker 1: paper would be less equality, and you know, it'd be
Speaker 1: harder to get cigarettes or something. They don't understand the
Speaker 1: reality of that, you know, the stuff they did for granted,
Speaker 1: wouldn't exist, and it'd be this constant they'd be this
Speaker 1: constant threat, you know, despite the existence of these two
Speaker 1: great oceans on the coast, it would be this constant
Speaker 1: threat of some sort of mass assault from the south
Speaker 1: that would just be unstoppable and like the sheer scale
Speaker 1: of it, you know, so America be kind of like
Speaker 1: a giant like South Africa on planet Earth. Like I
Speaker 1: that's not really where you want to be, you know.
Speaker 1: And of course too, there's always the possibility, you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's so imagine there's a there's a true communist
Speaker 1: block you know of Moscow and Pey King and you
Speaker 1: know Berlin still remains you know, divided, but I mean
Speaker 1: Western Europe. Then they there'd be so much megalithic power
Speaker 1: represented and wielded by the Moscow Piking Axis that I mean,
Speaker 1: your Europe would would be their bitch.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So basically at any moment, it would be foreseable that
Speaker 1: you know, some young Turks in the polit bureau or
Speaker 1: within the Chinese communist apparatus to sob We're gonna go
Speaker 1: all in and annihilate America. And if if we take
Speaker 1: eighty million dead, who cares?
Speaker 3: You know. So there's that too.
Speaker 1: You know, It's not like it's not like people who
Speaker 1: had been like any safer from the strategic nuclear threat
Speaker 1: in that situation. You know, despite the Communists having basically
Speaker 1: achieved victory conditions, you know, the world is really on
Speaker 1: the precipice. Man liked it, you know, and I uh
Speaker 1: plus too, I mean that was the communist viewpoint was,
Speaker 1: you know, and had things endured, you know, I realized
Speaker 1: after after the Vietnam War.
Speaker 3: Like the the new uh.
Speaker 1: Like the Nixon doctrine moving forward, was that you know,
Speaker 1: American allies had to be one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: we built up South Korea, you know, South Korea in
Speaker 1: the early sixties that had the developmental profile of subser
Speaker 1: in Africa. They gave this top world economy because Park uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the ore the Koreans showed up in at
Speaker 1: scale to fight in Vietnam, you know, and uh LBJ
Speaker 1: paid back Park by you know, massive direct investment into Korea,
Speaker 1: you know. And the idea then too it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's that there's gonna be no need for
Speaker 1: American force in the thirtieth parallel because the rok Army
Speaker 1: can stand on its own. It's it's gonna have cutting
Speaker 1: edge NATO hardware. That was the idea moving forward after
Speaker 1: seventy three or so. You know, We're gonna defend the
Speaker 1: inner German border with whatever it takes, you know, and uh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna defend Japan with whatever it takes. And we're
Speaker 1: gonna deprive the Soviet Union of the Near East by
Speaker 1: any means necessary.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Beyond that, other states need to stand on their own.
Speaker 1: But you know, then, uh, after seventy nine, the big
Speaker 1: push was in Latin America. So what do you do
Speaker 1: if the if the momentum remains behind the communists and
Speaker 1: there's this massive proxy war going on in Nicaragua and
Speaker 1: l Salvador and you know, and that kind of thing
Speaker 1: tends to it actually a contagion, you know. So it's
Speaker 1: easy to imagine this kind of constant cycle of every
Speaker 1: decade Americans have to sacrifice their sons to die and
Speaker 1: you know, some Latin American theater, and I mean that
Speaker 1: that'd be fucked up, you know, but there'd be no
Speaker 1: other way around it.
Speaker 3: You know, what do you do?
Speaker 1: It's like, I know, the adult and Tremble perspective was
Speaker 1: that nothing's worth sacrificing your life. For sacrificing your nineteen
Speaker 1: year old son, It's like, well, sometimes it comes down
Speaker 1: to that. You know, I'm not, uh, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: live with some. I mean, maybe there's an eat the stakes.
Speaker 1: I'm an old person, but I'm not I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: live with some like white koolie on a commie planet,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I'm gonna go down fighting or
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, do what I have to do
Speaker 1: to get these people leave me alone.
Speaker 3: And if I die, I die. You know.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. So moving trying to the Soviets,
Speaker 2: trying to move their project to Central South America. I mean,
Speaker 2: the difference you're really looking at is you're looking at
Speaker 2: different cultures. You're looking at different a different race of people.
Speaker 2: You're looking at a people who are probably not as
Speaker 2: high IQ or just not as advanced. So I mean,
Speaker 2: how was that going to work? I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: doctor Johnson has written a whole book defending the right wing,
Speaker 2: the right wing leaders of Latin America and the things
Speaker 2: that they had to do in order to fight against
Speaker 2: the communists, you know, the Soviet Yeah, so it's like,
Speaker 2: how do you Yeah. It's what people don't understand is
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, okay, so all this bad stuff was
Speaker 2: happening down there and we were arming it. It's like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean the Soviets were arming it too, and you
Speaker 2: have a people who were basically like a few generations
Speaker 2: from savages. What did you expect was going to happen?
Speaker 1: Well, it's also too I know, a big uh. You know,
Speaker 1: Eric Honnicker is buried in Chile. So it was his
Speaker 1: wife and he had almost like a state funeral down there,
Speaker 1: and they drave this was the ninety four. They draped
Speaker 1: his coffin with the DDR flag, you know. And uh,
Speaker 1: Allende was a warsaw up picked proxy and for some reason,
Speaker 1: it's really weird what Noormy's focused on, you know, like
Speaker 1: how for no reason they hate Christopher Columbus just randomly.
Speaker 1: I mean it's so that's weird. It was still pretty random.
Speaker 1: They hate Pinochet and they've decided Pinochet is some sort
Speaker 1: of secular satan to them. You know, in reality, Pinochet
Speaker 1: was pretty a political I mean, I realized it was
Speaker 1: a strongly reactionary tendency in the Chilean army, but he
Speaker 1: immediately abdicated after the inner German border went down, you know,
Speaker 1: and it uh, if Chile had become a Soviet proxy,
Speaker 1: that would have been catastrophic, and I mean that wouldn't
Speaker 1: have just rectified this rateg in balance that always favored
Speaker 1: in NATO, I mean obviously because if it can, it
Speaker 1: can base persons at the capitation range and the boon
Speaker 1: this republic. The only way the Soviets can turn the
Speaker 1: serve is uh with uh something like the Typhoon class submarine.
Speaker 1: But that still doesn't that's still not a splendid That
Speaker 1: sol was a comp of splendid parody, you know, so uh,
Speaker 1: a communized Latin America would have, uh would have put
Speaker 1: America in a very precarious position, and no, like I said,
Speaker 1: I d Buisson was a hero. He was also the
Speaker 1: reason why he was you know, they is his opponents
Speaker 1: and his allies alight called him ghost face. He was
Speaker 1: the original ghost face killer, you know. But he he
Speaker 1: was a Frenchman. I mean he was ethnically you know.
Speaker 1: I mean he's family in their generations and he was
Speaker 1: a Calvinist. He famously you know, he died of lung
Speaker 1: cancer pretty young. I think he was in his forties.
Speaker 1: But he this journalist that was embedded in El Salvador.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, Dubuisson was a he had a big target
Speaker 1: on his back because now only I mean he was
Speaker 1: a he was a military commander as well as uh
Speaker 1: you know, the preeminent rightist politician. But he refused to
Speaker 1: wear a vaster body armor. It's his journalist, you know,
Speaker 1: and like everybody was there in a body art. You know,
Speaker 1: some of those days, this journal is like I can
Speaker 1: walk around with without a vest and he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: my times, he's like my time to die. He was
Speaker 1: authored by God, you know, at the beginning of time.
Speaker 1: Why would I wear a vest? Why would I worry
Speaker 1: about it?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: And that's that's a real that's a real reformed believer, man,
Speaker 1: Like I'd like to think i'd do the same thing
Speaker 1: when it's like I don't know, man, I think i'd
Speaker 1: probably want to vest But no, he was he was
Speaker 1: a great man. God also doesn't know. That's uh no, yeah,
Speaker 1: that too, that too. I mean, I thankfully it's not
Speaker 1: people trying to whack me, you know, at least don't
Speaker 1: think so. But you know, like I said, I'd like
Speaker 1: to think my faith would carry me. But that's that's
Speaker 1: not a position that I envy, man. But no, that's
Speaker 1: there's this great guy, uh he uh he's not realized
Speaker 1: on social media. He's really like him on Instagram. But
Speaker 1: he's like a militaria dealer and his wife is a
Speaker 1: salvad Orian, so he goes down there all the time
Speaker 1: and he's like a big debuis and fanatic and uh
Speaker 1: he talked to a bunch of veterans like contra veterans
Speaker 1: and stuff and like took their roll history like an
Speaker 1: Instagram is is look for Dan's militaria. He's a fascinating dude.
Speaker 1: But actually had him on my pot a few years back.
Speaker 1: But he's uh yeah, it's a fascinating situation and a
Speaker 1: lot of uh, you know, despite the fact that you know,
Speaker 1: NL Salvador was the opposite in Nicaragua because uh, you
Speaker 1: know the government was fighting a red insurgency and in Nicaragua,
Speaker 1: you know, the the Daniel Ortiga was a Soviet client,
Speaker 1: you know, and the concience were resisting.
Speaker 3: You know, they try and pay the conferences.
Speaker 1: I go. These these guys were just uh, these guys
Speaker 1: just like cartel hitters and stuff, and like some of
Speaker 1: them were, but a lot of them were a lot
Speaker 1: of them were just believing Catholic people. Man, you know
Speaker 1: when they they they were being brutalized by the communists
Speaker 1: to a doctor Jay's point. Robert Kohler, he wrote a
Speaker 1: really good book on East Germany, particularly security apperat is
Speaker 1: called Stazi, and uh included as uh, some stuff about
Speaker 1: Oliver North when because North was in reality what he
Speaker 1: was doing, he was he was he was directing special
Speaker 1: operations types forces in Nicaragua, you know, under a various
Speaker 1: kinds of political cover. But he said, uh, the Monagua
Speaker 1: airport by nineteen eighty five, he said it was literally
Speaker 1: a mirror of the inner German border because the STAZI
Speaker 1: had gone there. They trained these people in border controls
Speaker 1: and he said they were literally obviously in the Spanish language,
Speaker 1: but he said, like the stamps they were using and
Speaker 1: the papers they were using were identical to that at
Speaker 1: Checkpoint Charlie, just like in Spanish. So the Stazi and
Speaker 1: the NASA folks army basically deployed to Nicaragua. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: like here's how you locked down your the revolutionary state,
Speaker 1: you know, And so that that's what was going on.
Speaker 1: The Santaiss were pretty effective, and you know, the the
Speaker 1: Cubans obviously too, we were assisting them. And Castro was
Speaker 1: convinced America is going to assault in Nicaragua. And there's
Speaker 1: this memo from Castro twin drop of and Castro hadn't
Speaker 1: lost any of his revolutionary fervor even by then he
Speaker 1: was in his sixties or whatever, and he was saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, he said, we've been prepared for a nuclear strike,
Speaker 1: you know, since the sixties, were still prepared for it.
Speaker 1: You know, if we if we if we take twenty
Speaker 1: million dead, so be it. You know, if America assaults Nicaragua,
Speaker 1: We're going to go to war in Nicaragua. And they
Speaker 1: would have, they would have showed up as deep as
Speaker 1: they I mean, shit, man, they showed up fifty thousand
Speaker 1: deep in Angola. If America had you know that. And
Speaker 1: Reagan does deserve some credit for that, you know. And
Speaker 1: I'm not some Reagan fanboy at all, but he the
Speaker 1: way he managed that situation, it wasn't nearly as critical
Speaker 1: as what you know, Kennedy and then Johnson and then
Speaker 1: the nixton we're facing and nam, but it definitely had
Speaker 1: that potential, you know, and he proceeded uh, absolutely correctly,
Speaker 1: you know, like that Frank Frank Kittson that that's that's
Speaker 1: text with Frank Kitts and stuff. Build a counter gang
Speaker 1: to murder the gang that you need to fight, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's that's what happened. I mean, obviously you're you're
Speaker 1: limited by geography and by the mentioned material on the
Speaker 1: ground that you can mobilize. But you know, that's that's
Speaker 1: the way you do it. You know, you don't you
Speaker 1: don't show up with a large footprint.
Speaker 3: You don't.
Speaker 1: You don't do something you don't you don't pull some
Speaker 1: like fuck had we have by Trump.
Speaker 3: Movie, We're gonna de plat the nation to go and
Speaker 3: you're gonna stand.
Speaker 1: Around, you know, like you uh you you need you
Speaker 1: need a scalpel, not a not a mallet. But I
Speaker 1: uh but then again, Ray Reagan, Reagan's first term, I
Speaker 1: his national security team was pretty much sucond to none.
Speaker 1: Nixon had a had a very strong cabinet too. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's uh interesting man on uh close at home. There's
Speaker 1: a there's a lot of big enthusiasm for this book
Speaker 1: on the Old Resistance and some of the one second
Speaker 1: on it on it, I'm trying to remember the name
Speaker 1: of something here I'm second. Uh yeah, the uh damn it.
Speaker 1: Yeah you heard of the Aryan Freedom Network. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you heard those guys. Okay, I don't really know what
Speaker 1: they're into it. They seem like a lot of them
Speaker 1: are Christian identity types like gleaned and it's kind of
Speaker 1: like militant, uh militant clan type guys. I kind of
Speaker 1: like a convergent the teams between the more militant clan
Speaker 1: elements and and uh, you know, uh national socialist skinnea
Speaker 1: type guys, you know. And uh, I mean that's fine.
Speaker 1: I I mean I like a lot of those guys,
Speaker 1: even though I'm on a different tip than they are.
Speaker 1: But like Sally house Frou, she's like clicked up, you know,
Speaker 1: she's that she's a cool lady man like her on
Speaker 1: one of her lady friends, the which which which invited
Speaker 1: me on there?
Speaker 3: Which version of the clan that they adopt?
Speaker 2: Is it the anti reconstruction, the anti the anti uh,
Speaker 2: the anti Jew or the anti Catholic.
Speaker 1: No, They're like, uh, the I k A. I believe,
Speaker 1: I believe that's actually a direct heritage. And uh, the
Speaker 1: I ka is kind of interesting because one of the
Speaker 1: one of these og Chicago guys and a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know, like a lot of
Speaker 1: there's a lot of the whites and Edgewater. There's only
Speaker 1: a few of the Marines now, but they came up
Speaker 1: from Appalachia in the fifties and sixties, and like those
Speaker 1: guys started gang banging pretty hard.
Speaker 3: One of the one of the.
Speaker 1: I k A guys, he was, uh, he's the gang
Speaker 1: bang around uh Edgewater, and uh, except I think he
Speaker 1: was a gay lord. He wasn't a rebel or anything.
Speaker 1: And his brother, I think got dropped by the l
Speaker 1: k's and then this dude became a big I k
Speaker 1: A guy in Kentucky. But obviously like he had a
Speaker 1: different sensibility than you know, like a rural clan type guy.
Speaker 1: So instead of they didn't wear clan, they'd wear like
Speaker 1: camo and shit. You know, it's like their uniform. I
Speaker 1: mean this this sounds hokey today, but this was like
Speaker 1: in the eighties. You know, things were different. But I believe,
Speaker 1: And like I said, I I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: what the AFN guys are about. I'm just going on
Speaker 1: the optics and what I saw, like in their literature
Speaker 1: and stuff. So I'm correct me if I'm misstating it.
Speaker 1: But in any event, Uh, Sally and her friends they said
Speaker 1: they they'd be happy to drop testimony from my book.
Speaker 1: You know, they've been very cool to me, and uh,
Speaker 1: she actually invited me down to These AFN guys are
Speaker 1: having some big power. But it's going on when OGC
Speaker 1: is and I'm like, look, I'm like, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: on the road in Nashville, but I'm not gonna come
Speaker 1: and visit you guys and like mingle with your peoples
Speaker 1: and you know, the the other people you click up with,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'll bring some bush mills and spread
Speaker 1: good cheer. You know, if the fellas your friends just
Speaker 1: want to talk to me, they'd be great. She's like, go, yeah,
Speaker 1: they you know, they'd probably be into that. And you
Speaker 1: know I pretty much uh I uh I generally get
Speaker 1: along with everybody, man, I mean you know that you
Speaker 1: hang out with me and real.
Speaker 2: Well, well thanks for the shout out yesterday on your
Speaker 2: video about OGC and everything. You still still had somebody
Speaker 2: some fuck up in the uh some spur in the
Speaker 2: comments go, well, it's a conservative organization.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I love how I love how everybody I love I
Speaker 2: love how we're every how o GC is everything from
Speaker 2: conservatives to neo cons to anti Semite to I've heard
Speaker 2: we take Teeal money. I've heard we take Israel money.
Speaker 2: I mean I've I've heard it all. It's it's it's
Speaker 2: so awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, I no, man, I you and uh
Speaker 1: you and mister uh Jerry and uh Burden you know
Speaker 1: you have with my family, man, I mean not I
Speaker 1: not trying to sound like some steminal slob, but but no,
Speaker 1: on any event, I something like this book on the
Speaker 1: Old Resistance and the current Cadre, something that that is
Speaker 1: really dependent upon people willing to profit their testimony. I
Speaker 1: mean that that's that's probably gonna be about. I have
Speaker 1: the book, I mean, or a third of it, you know,
Speaker 1: but it's an essential component. Otherwise you're tripping over your
Speaker 1: dick and saying like you know, I mean granted, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm a partisan myself, and I know something about this movement,
Speaker 1: and I was there. You know, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: be a wayment. It was there, man, But I mean.
Speaker 2: That's what you have to pull out your pull out
Speaker 2: your bandana and put it on. I've seen some things, man,
Speaker 2: I've seen some things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But point being so, I mean, I I think I
Speaker 1: have more credibility than some like random fucking journal or something.
Speaker 1: But uh, at the same time, it's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: wrote this book just by like speculating on shit and
Speaker 1: what I pieced together from you know, people's public statements
Speaker 1: and stuff. So yeah, but I I want to give
Speaker 1: Sale a shut out just because she she and her
Speaker 1: friends have been like very cool to me, and they're
Speaker 1: very there's a lot of positive energy around them and everything,
Speaker 1: and you know, she I asked her and she said
Speaker 1: right away, like, oh, yeah, I want to help anyway
Speaker 1: you can, and that's incredibly cool.
Speaker 3: So thank you, silly, you're a peach.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, that's when I when I get back
Speaker 1: and uh from our shindig in Nashville, that's I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try and bear down on that the Steel Storm novel.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I'm I gotta, I gotta figure
Speaker 1: out the best way to proceed with, you know, building
Speaker 1: my own country. I came that close to the chest
Speaker 1: because I don't I don't like randos and psychos and
Speaker 1: like fags like saying like I want to, like I
Speaker 1: want to like join your army years It's like, no,
Speaker 1: you can't. You're gay and you dress like a dick face.
Speaker 1: It's you know so uh, but it's the best response
Speaker 1: to everything. And Bird, my buddy Bird, it has this
Speaker 1: for everything. It's like it's just you're gay. It's just
Speaker 1: the best response for everything. Yeah, it's yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: I agree. H yeah, but no I stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Uh but you know, like like I said, I mean
Speaker 1: what I said, uh in my h in might sit rep.
Speaker 1: I think it's important that the tendency I REP have
Speaker 1: have a you know, formal recognition, man, because otherwise I
Speaker 1: don't want to feel like a hanger on or some
Speaker 1: guy people is tolerate. I mean, I know it's not
Speaker 1: what's happening, but I think this is important. And there's
Speaker 1: resistance elements that are engaged at a you know, especially
Speaker 1: especially the Pealestinian resistance and our Rellies and Lebanon and
Speaker 1: the Levant. You know, not all of whom are maudling,
Speaker 1: by the way, some are, but some are Christian or
Speaker 1: Drew's or Alowite. You know these Uh, these guys are
Speaker 1: my comrades, and uh they we need to index with them.
Speaker 1: And there's other things too, Like I said, I don't
Speaker 1: I you know, I wanted.
Speaker 2: I have this opinion that the reason we don't really
Speaker 2: know what Aloites are or what Drews are, or the
Speaker 2: fact that there are no one's talk about the fact
Speaker 2: there's Christians over there is It's what doctor Johnson said
Speaker 2: on our episode. It's like it's easier to hate people
Speaker 2: you have no idea what they who they are. You know,
Speaker 2: how he said you could tell lies. It's it's easy
Speaker 2: to tell lies about a country you have no idea
Speaker 2: what they are. That's one of the I think that's
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why we don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: we really have no information because it just makes it
Speaker 2: easy to easier to other of them.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Well yeah, they see, you'll learn what
Speaker 1: the fuck they're talking about. Like I if you're uh, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: yeah I don't. But I mean, like I said, like
Speaker 1: most of these mostly most of these people don't leave
Speaker 1: their house. I mean that's the thing. Like even they're
Speaker 1: really not any they're into normies in that way, because
Speaker 1: it's like, if I got to normies, these things that
Speaker 1: they think are so important of these identities they glam onto.
Speaker 1: They if they weren't plugged into MSNBC and huff pow
Speaker 1: or whatever they're consuming, they won't even have any idea
Speaker 1: about this. You know, it's not it's not like they're
Speaker 1: practicing or religion that they're you know, there's their heritage
Speaker 1: going back five hundred years. You know, it's not like
Speaker 1: they're it's not like they're abiding customary practices. You know
Speaker 1: that they learn from their family and and from people
Speaker 1: in a communitarian setting. They literally decided like I'm LGBTQ
Speaker 1: because Rachel Meadow said so. And when I went to college,
Speaker 1: they explained this to me. That's totally contried. You know,
Speaker 1: so if you're some guy, here's some guy. If you're
Speaker 1: some guy from some like shitty town, you've you've known
Speaker 1: nothing about Islam. You've never met a Muslim person. You
Speaker 1: have no idea what the racial breakdown is of Daryl Islam.
Speaker 1: You've just decided like they're brown people who I don't
Speaker 1: like because of the Jewish gentleman on TV said so,
Speaker 1: and some British guy like that Tommy Robinson idiot or whatever,
Speaker 1: like it claims that Islam is ruining his life because
Speaker 1: some Pakistani rapo still his bicycle. I mean, like that
Speaker 1: doesn't it's not relevant. That's not credible, you know, likes uh,
Speaker 1: I mean, and there's people just like saying like on that.
Speaker 2: I've noticed that, like the the people I run with
Speaker 2: and everything, the ones who were like from Los Angeles, California,
Speaker 2: New York, Chicago, where there are big populations of a
Speaker 2: certain tribe, they are much more aware of that tribe
Speaker 2: and are much more you know. Yeah, then you know
Speaker 2: the people that I know in North Carolina or South Carolina,
Speaker 2: and if they have, if somebody who's doesn't, there's not
Speaker 2: a population near them. It's all academic. They've never like
Speaker 2: interacted with them to know to know anything about what
Speaker 2: people are.
Speaker 1: Like, no, I yeah, I what's Also it's like what
Speaker 1: I'm always saying like people, especially when these guys try
Speaker 1: and put out on me like there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: white minority. It's like, bro, I've been a minority since
Speaker 1: they came out of the shoot, Like what what changes?
Speaker 1: Plus to it saying how am I not a minority
Speaker 1: if I'm even if I'm around, if I'm around a
Speaker 1: bunch of like Roman Catholic and Orthodox like Central and
Speaker 1: Eastern European immigrants, am I not a minority? We're part
Speaker 1: of Like we're part of like the white people. Like,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, white the identity is a real thing,
Speaker 1: but it's not group anatomy from Ireland to Vlady Bosstoc.
Speaker 1: Like that's not what it is, you know. And uh
Speaker 1: and plus anyway too, like we're not we're not much
Speaker 1: at chinks. We're not like terrified. We don't have a
Speaker 1: super majority on the ground, you know, Like the story
Speaker 1: of the white man is showing up places and despite
Speaker 1: being out number one hundred thousand to one, you conquer shit.
Speaker 2: You know, you know, in a and you do it
Speaker 2: in a an honorable way. You don't do it in
Speaker 2: a way where you completely derascinate the population and turn
Speaker 2: them into and say they can't be this anymore, they
Speaker 2: can't be that anymore. You may have to go live
Speaker 2: on a reservation, but were no one's saying you can't
Speaker 2: be Indian. You know, you can't be whatever your heritage is.
Speaker 1: Now, that's that's that, that's globalist, liberal, fucking Jewish garbage.
Speaker 1: You know, like everybody, everybody needs to be some everybody
Speaker 1: needs to be some great, great integer.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Well that's why nobody you know, one of the reasons why, uh,
Speaker 1: one of everythings I like was saying the se and
Speaker 1: in Julius evil uh. And you know, I mean the
Speaker 1: radical traditionalist school basically informs my ideological persuasion more than
Speaker 1: anything else does. And that that's their big point is
Speaker 1: that liberals can't they can't tolerate pluralism. They have to
Speaker 1: annihilate it wherever it emerges. I mean, they're there, they're
Speaker 1: ravetary to utopians, and of course they try. Their notion
Speaker 1: is they want they want everybody to be like bred
Speaker 1: down into the sort of gray Cooley mass you know, uh,
Speaker 1: like an Austrian painter. One of the only really kind
Speaker 1: of the deeply significant postulates in mind ConfL about uh
Speaker 1: the historical situation is when he says that he said,
Speaker 1: like you know, the Judeo bullshi, if it's victory uh
Speaker 1: at planetary scale, basically means like the or the Earth
Speaker 1: becomes this sort of the sort of giant slave plantation,
Speaker 1: devoid of high culture, where it's like people living like
Speaker 1: not really much higher than animals and that and that's
Speaker 1: that's uh, that is the objective.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I mean you see a lot of
Speaker 2: that now, I mean a lot a lot of what
Speaker 2: what this culture is is purely of the body, is
Speaker 2: purely for pleasure and for nothing cultural and nothing, uh,
Speaker 2: nothing metaphysical, nothing of the spirit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's uh, that's very true.
Speaker 1: And that Oh there's I'm hoping, Uh, I don't wanna,
Speaker 1: I don't wanna shout him out. He hasn't committed anything yet.
Speaker 1: But there's this guy who, uh Mike, our dear friend
Speaker 1: Mike Maxwell at Imperium.
Speaker 3: It is uh.
Speaker 1: Friendly with this dude translated a whole bunch of Johann
Speaker 1: von Lear's writings, which is great. I'm gonna start posting
Speaker 1: them up on substick, and you know, Von Lears was
Speaker 1: a great man and a real uh, you know, a
Speaker 1: real philologist, you know, and I was really glad to
Speaker 1: see more interest be taken in him because I've long
Speaker 1: considered him to be of paramount significance if you're you know, uh,
Speaker 1: if you're an ideological national socialist who takes the subject
Speaker 1: matter seriously. And I'm hoping this guy, I I asked him.
Speaker 1: We started corresponding over Gmail, and I asked him I'd
Speaker 1: be going to come on the pod. And I'm kind
Speaker 1: of awaiting an answer. I know a lot of academic
Speaker 1: types they they're sort of skiddish about a public profile,
Speaker 1: particularly if you know they're engaged in dissi encoded stuff.
Speaker 3: But that made me very happy.
Speaker 1: But that's you know, I mean, that's where But again,
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why I I want to establish,
Speaker 1: you know, some foreign representation for the faction represent because
Speaker 1: you know, this is this is what we take seriously,
Speaker 1: and it's it's not often discussed outside of you know,
Speaker 1: kind of very very quoistert environs where you know, people
Speaker 1: have you know, a deep interest in like esoteric academ
Speaker 1: but there's a practice to this that is important.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you I don't know if you
Speaker 2: saw this, but I got the email this morning from
Speaker 2: Imperium Press. They they're book is uh Real Politique by
Speaker 2: Ludwick Vaughan. What how do you pronounce the name Rocau?
Speaker 2: Yeah that's pretty cool. Yeah, I haven't checked my email yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's pretty Mike's.
Speaker 1: Great man, I mean, I I yeah, I mean, he's
Speaker 1: done me a lot of fears over the years and
Speaker 1: he's a great guy. But he also Imperium is a
Speaker 1: great brand. I went with Anelope Hill for this manuscript
Speaker 1: that has finished because it seemed a better fit through them,
Speaker 1: and they reached out to me and you know, very
Speaker 1: much courted me. But I want to I want to
Speaker 1: publish with Mike in the future, you know again. And
Speaker 1: I mean he didn't take it something a weigh or anything,
Speaker 1: but I I think very highly Imperium. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: Mike's a great guy, and I in credit and I
Speaker 1: agree with him on many conceptual matters. His book is great,
Speaker 1: you know, the Tribal Future. He's very much on point.
Speaker 1: He's a really smart guy, you know, and I always
Speaker 1: I always learned stuff from talking to him, which is
Speaker 1: a kind of my litmus test. I mean it might
Speaker 1: sound like horrible and self serving, and I think people
Speaker 1: are dumb or I don't learn stuff from talking to him,
Speaker 1: Like I just I don't really funck with them because
Speaker 1: it's like, why I'm wasting my tie and you're dumb,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm becoming dumb by talking to you.
Speaker 2: But anyone who just joined when you said that is like, damn,
Speaker 2: that was rude what he just said to Pete.
Speaker 1: I feel, yeah, context is everything, man, Now this uh yeah, this,
Speaker 1: this was a great man we've been We're already up
Speaker 1: on yeah hour. I gotta a I didn't get anything
Speaker 1: done early this morning. My poor neighbor like his dog
Speaker 1: like found a way to like escape its pen, and
Speaker 1: she like ran off. So I was trying to help
Speaker 1: him find his dog. And I got some spring cleaning underway.
Speaker 1: Oh you wouldn't know it, because like my office is
Speaker 1: like and I'm in like horder mode. We got like
Speaker 1: books sticked up in my bed. You know, really it's
Speaker 1: not a good look. Fuck whatever, And I'm like I
Speaker 1: look like I need to be on Thorsen or something.
Speaker 1: But but no, I gotta I gotta get my ass
Speaker 1: in gear a little bit.
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, well, uh, I.
Speaker 1: Guess we'll convene on Friday, man for the Star Teamber
Speaker 1: and then yeah, it's only uh, it's only a few
Speaker 1: more days uh till we hit in Nashville. Oh, and
Speaker 1: I uh Andrew Isker, who's a great guy in a
Speaker 1: great pastor and a friend of ours. He uh, you know,
Speaker 1: some of the youngsters from Wisconsin are driving uh are
Speaker 1: driving me to uh to Nashville. Andrew and his wife
Speaker 1: invited us to stop by because they're literally like right
Speaker 1: on the way.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: They invited us, you know, over for dinner, man, which
Speaker 1: is which is awesome. You know, that was incredibly cool.
Speaker 1: So uh I told him most definitely, I really like Andrew.
Speaker 1: And last year he he uh he invited me to
Speaker 1: his service and and some of the guys are nice
Speaker 1: enough to drive me out there, and uh it was
Speaker 1: really great speaking of people I was learning from. He
Speaker 1: he really knows scripture, man.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, like I went to I went to Reform
Speaker 1: Sunday School, so like I got I got loaded up
Speaker 1: with like Bible stuff in my early life, so like
Speaker 1: I think I know something about scripture. But I don't
Speaker 1: know nothing compared to him, man. But he's a really
Speaker 1: fascinating guy. And I highly recommend anybody who's got interest
Speaker 1: in you know, Bible, prostism or or just like compared
Speaker 1: to theology generally to check him out. And he had
Speaker 1: a great appearance on Tucker Carlson a year or two ago.
Speaker 3: That would be a good place to start.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was really stokedy hear from him, man,
Speaker 1: you know, because he's a guy I hold in a
Speaker 1: very high esteem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Pete, and thank you so just for
Speaker 3: tuning in. Yeah. Yeah, well so we'll we'll we can
Speaker 3: eat Friday. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll talk to your text before then. Sure,
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, right later