WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:04.040 In my manuscript, I in put a chapter on the 2 00:00:04.040 --> 00:00:10.439 French Revolution and execution technology, whereby people were categorically exterminated. 3 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:15.279 That's the first time that's happened at industrial scale. And 4 00:00:15.800 --> 00:00:20.000 you know, the the guillotine machine, it came out of 5 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:24.120 that same exigency because it's not really easy to behead somebody, 6 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:26.280 you know, you Ukraine swordsman. 7 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:30.320 Leimulate, you know, I read that chapter. Yeah, it's fucking disturbing. 8 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:35.840 Yeah, and uh, you know, but after when swords started 9 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:38.600 falling out of favor, I mean just because of battlefield 10 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:41.280 tech and stuff, there's fewer and fewer of man good 11 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:45.320 wield a sword. So most executioners are trained on with 12 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:49.079 an axe, you know, and an axe. An axe is heavy, 13 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:54.000 it's unwieldy, and it's got a uniform angle. Like Mary, 14 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:57.359 Queen of Scott's I read recently about her execution. 15 00:00:57.479 --> 00:00:58.039 It's horrible. 16 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:01.719 The executioner had a striker at multiple times and it 17 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:04.319 still didn't finish the job, so he ended up having 18 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:07.519 to saw the remainder like with the ax. And even 19 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:11.200 even people who wanted to see the old woman lose 20 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:13.959 her head were disgusted by it and they started like 21 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:17.040 heckling the executioner. You had to be like rushed away underguard. 22 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:21.040 But the genius of the guillotine was the blaves at 23 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:25.680 a forty five degree angle, so it slays cleanly. And 24 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:30.079 if it's properly greased, it probably greased track mechanism and 25 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:33.519 the blades well maintained. It works pretty much one hundred 26 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:36.920 percent of the time, you know. And and France, France 27 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:40.040 was executing people with the guillotine until the seventies, you know, 28 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:42.000 when when they abolished capital punishment. 29 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:46.079 Here's a well, here's a here, here's a good one 30 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:49.280 for you. There's a little piece of trivia. France was 31 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:54.159 still France used the guillotine after Star Wars was released 32 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:57.319 to theaters. I mean, that's how that's how modern day. Yeah, 33 00:01:57.480 --> 00:01:59.079 that's how modern day they were using it. 34 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:00.000 Yeah. 35 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:02.959 The last man executed in France, he was this really 36 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:06.879 disturbed the French ell Jerry and Guy. I think it 37 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:10.319 was Roman Catholic too. He wasn't, he wasn't some but 38 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:14.520 that's before France would just import felonious refugees who were 39 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:18.240 constitutionally at odds with the national culture. But he he 40 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:23.599 raped and murdered some poor girl and the description of 41 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:27.039 France's final execution. It's wild because by that point it 42 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:32.080 was in an enclosed chamber on the penet century premises. 43 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:35.599 It wasn't publicly exhibited anymore, which I think is bad. 44 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:38.159 I have no desire to go watch them and be executed, 45 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:40.120 but if people want to, they should be able to. 46 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:43.080 It's not something that should be done in secret at midnight, 47 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:48.000 like it's some sort of dirty thing. But what upsets me, 48 00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:51.680 and it's a plot point in one of the combas 49 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:57.000 scenes in Steel Storm where a Zona Sault super loses 50 00:02:57.080 --> 00:03:00.199 his head then but because of his enhanced physiology and 51 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:05.159 cybernetic adjustments, like his head rains conscious for like a 52 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:09.879 full minute. So when he loses his head in mindsets 53 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:12.840 his head on his body literally picks it up. But 54 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:15.639 then the system like shorts out because it can't make 55 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:19.120 sense the stimulus and the kinesthesis of his of his 56 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:23.240 cybernetic you know, enhancements and things. But I got that idea, 57 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:25.800 not just because I was trying to be freaky and weird, 58 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:29.680 you know. And that's just three. The Gemini Killer talks 59 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:32.439 about it. When he beheads people, he shows their body, 60 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:34.639 He shows them their body because he said that heads 61 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:38.479 can remain conscious. That's probably true, and that's pretty horrible. 62 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:42.960 I guess most it speculated, like the shock of that 63 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:47.360 sort of catastrophic injury would you know, cause a cessation 64 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:52.520 of consciousness, but not necessarily. And so when I saw 65 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:55.120 Legion when I was a teenager, that stuck in my mind, 66 00:03:55.360 --> 00:03:58.639 so I started researching it later and that's why I 67 00:03:58.639 --> 00:04:02.879 included him steel Storm. But in any event, the the 68 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:05.039 reason why the guillotine is the name of the guillot, 69 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:09.360 and there was a doctor Guiltan. He testified before the 70 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:13.639 revolutionary government because they were killing so many people, you know, 71 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:17.040 and he's like, this is awful, and they just said 72 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:20.279 they just said, random deputized cadre is doing it too. 73 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:23.160 They didn't even have trained executioners. Yet here's an ax 74 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:25.959 you know, do it. And he's like, that's not humane. 75 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:30.600 So he proposed a machine be devised, and people thought 76 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:33.279 it was like joke, you know, and there's another macabre 77 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:35.560 about the French, and they're like, there really is, you know, 78 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:38.800 there's a They thought it was really funny. But then 79 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:43.199 two years later a prototype was actually developed by the 80 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:46.720 guy who was the chief of surgery at the primary 81 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:51.560 teaching hospital and so he retained this Uh he retained 82 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:55.959 this guy from Saxony, which makes sense to like engineer 83 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:59.439 the thing, but it was it was associated with guillotine 84 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:02.199 for you know, in perpetuity, because he was the guy 85 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:05.240 who first proposed it. But the whole idea was, you know, 86 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:08.920 how to efficiently kill as many people as possible and 87 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:12.279 you know with with with the use of industrial industrial machinery. 88 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:17.240 And uh yeah, so it and like I said, I 89 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:21.079 the reason why in the manuscript I deal with that process. 90 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:24.639 And they ultimately, what what the Jagouins ultimately decided on 91 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:28.360 is they they take these they take these these these 92 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:32.959 these disused ships, these cargo ship hulks, and uh they 93 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:35.519 forced people into them and then they drag them off 94 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:38.040 shore and then they sink them and drown everybody. And 95 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:40.519 they were doing this over and over again, you know, 96 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:45.639 men and women and kids, regardless of age, sex, overall health. 97 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:49.079 They they were just exterminating people, you know, the and 98 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:55.279 that's uh interestingly I realized, and uh I realized ERNSTLTI 99 00:05:55.879 --> 00:06:01.040 he was talking about uh discreet causal nexus and uh 100 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:05.439 a dialectical process where by the German Reich and the 101 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:09.959 Soviet state or an immediate conceptual dialogue of one another. 102 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:13.800 But he didn't really deal with the Jacob and Terror 103 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:15.920 at least not that I've read. And I've read most 104 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:18.439 of what he wrote, with the exception of some Uh 105 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:22.279 I can I can generally read German, but something like 106 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:25.079 Nolty that's that Densie. I just can't because I keep 107 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:27.680 having it like referra to with you know. But uh, 108 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:30.839 it's so the stuff that was just never translated, you know, 109 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:33.519 kind of a scure essays a hit, especially from early 110 00:06:33.519 --> 00:06:35.839 in his academic career. But I don't think he's ever 111 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:38.959 I don't think he ever took on a dedicated analysis 112 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:41.480 so that Jacob and Terror and it can never be 113 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:45.720 known how many people were massacred, you know, and any anybody, 114 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:48.319 any historian who tries to positive number, I mean, what 115 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:49.959 what would he be basing that on? You know, there 116 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:52.759 weren't like what what would be your what would be 117 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:55.839 your source of data points and things? But you know 118 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:58.639 that I, like I said, I believe that it's an 119 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:04.120 issue of first impression, that's and attempting to social engineering 120 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:08.079 by violence, whereby it's declared okay. There's certain categories of 121 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:11.879 human beings that are just inegicable or or their existence 122 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.279 and their ability to retain a historical memory of what 123 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:19.000 preceded the current regime means that, you know, they're an 124 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:24.959 obstacle to the realization of of hlebiological schema just just 125 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:28.079 annihilating them. That that that they've never been attempted before. 126 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:30.720 You know, like I said, the you can't just chruge 127 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:34.199 itself to being derivative of, you know, the brutalizing effect 128 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:38.240 of industrial technology and things like that, because the you know, 129 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:41.240 the the concept came first and on the machinery was 130 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:45.639 devised to realize the concept, you know, So it's pretty uh, 131 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:47.079 you know, like I said, I realized it on a 132 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:51.439 cop subject. But it's important and but I uh, I'm 133 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:55.079 trying to uh, I'm trying to adjust my should a 134 00:07:55.600 --> 00:08:00.000 framework at present to write this book on the right 135 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:04.800 wing resistance from America first until really Ruby Ridge and 136 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:07.480 then that's kind of cut off points in nineteen ninety two, 137 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:11.759 you know, and then obviously the things kind of became 138 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:15.839 relegated to online discourse, which you know, in the nineties 139 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:19.480 was genuinely subcultural. COVID definitely changed a lot of things. 140 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:21.360 I know that that's when people claim that like all 141 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:24.120 these like lanes and olds and stuff got online. But 142 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:26.800 the big change to me was after nine to eleven, 143 00:08:27.160 --> 00:08:30.000 Like I realized high speed internet then was still comparatively 144 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:33.960 rare in people's homes, but everybody was scared and they 145 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:38.639 were thirsty for information on the unational situation and terrorism 146 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:42.720 and stuff, like all kinds of all kinds of legacy 147 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:45.080 media sites sort of blowing up, you know, and then 148 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:47.360 guys like Drudge started blowing up. I mean Drudge was 149 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:49.759 added since like nineteenninety six. And remember being in college 150 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:53.240 and all the all the college Republican side guys were 151 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:55.960 You'd sit in the computer lab in the morning before 152 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:58.600 class and all in fools would be like Drudge was 153 00:08:58.639 --> 00:08:59.279 like their go to. 154 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:06.639 You know, listening watching some gay joo aggregate aggregate information 155 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:11.080 and basically your big break is take something that got 156 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:13.600 stolen off of a newsweek reporters desk. 157 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:16.440 You know, well it was weird too. I mean, maybe 158 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:16.759 it's good. 159 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:18.759 I'm like a data fiend that I always have then, 160 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:22.600 but even then when it was harder, when he I 161 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:25.320 used to go out and buy six or seven newspapers, 162 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:27.919 you know, just that I could get it and back then. 163 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:30.840 As for newspapers, I mean, obviously it wasn't obviously it 164 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:33.080 was conceptual biases, but it wasn't like just like naked 165 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:35.759 tabloid garbage. But that took ja the dude to kind 166 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:39.559 of put together a conceptual picture. You know this, so this, this, 167 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:42.320 they do that, George, we're doing some revolutionary when yeah, 168 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:45.399 the dude was just some slub who was uh yeah, 169 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:48.440 he was just he was He was just cruising all 170 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:51.519 the legacy media websites, at least ones that had an 171 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:55.960 online presidence, and then like like you know, copy pasta 172 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:58.519 his head his the headlines. I want to answer this 173 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:01.799 dude's question before I before it slips my mind. Would 174 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:03.919 you read the French Revolution? It is a model fall 175 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:05.440 left wing revolution of my didnity. 176 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:06.480 Yeah. 177 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:09.080 I don't think it's always deliberate, like I don't think 178 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:13.279 the Kremer Rouge. We're sitting around saying, okay, this is 179 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:16.879 this is how you create a conceptual environment by way 180 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:22.240 of annihilation therapy that will allow us to accomplish our objectives. 181 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:28.120 But intrinsic to revolutionary communism, just like intrinsic to the 182 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:33.559 Jacobin movement, there's there's there's homicidal aspects to it. It's 183 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:38.559 practice always resolves in mass homicide because uh, you know, 184 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:42.679 you can't you can't just force people to historical memory 185 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:45.840 to be erased. You can superficially get people to comply 186 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:50.039 with things, either because they're scared or because they they 187 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:53.200 don't really care and their notion as well. You know, 188 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:57.080 if I abide superficially these sorts of regime dictims, that's 189 00:10:57.120 --> 00:10:59.480 the way to get ahead. But that's not good enough 190 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:04.639 because what came before will still be what they rely 191 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:09.559 upon conceptually, the structure human relationships and things like wealth. 192 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:12.320 You know, that was the whole That was the whole problem. 193 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:15.799 You know, and even like relative reformers like Cruise Ship 194 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:18.840 when he was talking about you know, crucis big slogan 195 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:21.679 was communism by the year two thousand. You know, he's like, 196 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:23.840 we gotta we gotta find a way to get because 197 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:25.679 you said, the problem wasn't just to find a means 198 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:29.320 of exchange and to build enough productive capital up that 199 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:33.240 that you know, shortages have been totally eradicated. But also 200 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:35.039 he said people I was just like attached to money. 201 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:37.039 He's like, we've got to break people this idea that 202 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:39.440 they need some means of exchange. We'll never be able 203 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:43.240 to do that, you know, like people if there's no money, people, 204 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:45.759 I mean, don't dunk guys in prison trade packs of ramen, 205 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:46.919 noodles and cigarettes. 206 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:49.080 It's like, okay, well that's money. You know. 207 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:51.480 How do you totally break people of these concepts of 208 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:54.759 assigned value? Well, the only way it would literally be 209 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.440 to exterminate everybody who as a memory of that existing 210 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:04.840 and uh, you know, inculcate the pure generation with an 211 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:09.480 understanding that that's never existed, you know. And that's that's why, uh, 212 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:13.279 that's the khmue Rouge mobilized kids the way they did, 213 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:15.600 you know. And I invoked them as an example, not 214 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:19.039 because I'm I'm trying to make a polemical point about 215 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:21.759 how awful communism is, but you know, like I said 216 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:24.720 in their discussion of Paul Pott, Paul Pott was actually 217 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:28.759 pretty sophisticated. That but the whole Camier Cadre was and 218 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:31.159 Paul Pott he was a lesser aristocrat and one of 219 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:36.759 his sisters had had been a concubine of the king. 220 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:39.879 You know, he held himself out is I'm this poor peasant, 221 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:41.879 you know, and my parents were poor farmers. That was 222 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:46.240 a lie, you know. And he he was highly educated. 223 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:49.639 He spent his formative years as a as an adolescent, 224 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:52.000 a young guy in Paris. He knew what he was doing, 225 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:56.519 you know. And that's sort of a pure communist praxis, 226 00:12:56.799 --> 00:12:59.279 you know. And I think a lot of the post 227 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:02.919 sixty eight schismatics. So then the communist movement they just 228 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:06.440 kind of looked to Mao and Maoism because they're like, well, 229 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:10.519 this is the this is the countervailing tendency to Sovietism, 230 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:14.120 which they view as totally stayed and bureaucratic, among other things. 231 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:17.000 And I don't I think Mao was was an idiot. 232 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:18.919 I think he was a buffoon, like I think height 233 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:23.679 zero understanding of anything. He was illiterate. But Paul Pott 234 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:28.840 was not and identifying something like a democratic Campuscia. And 235 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:31.759 there were guys in Guingham Chomsky who they've redacted this 236 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:34.879 now they're defenders, I mean, who said this is an 237 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:38.720 example of pure communism and the praxis is correct, and 238 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:42.240 there's something to that, you know. Uh, the Khmer Rouge 239 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:46.720 they didn't they didn't overthrow the the London all regime 240 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:50.240 and then set up this pullet Bureau of Generals and 241 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:53.000 you know middle aged party men who then proceeded to 242 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:57.320 basically like install themselves as you know, the new secular monarchy. 243 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:00.759 You know, they they created a you know, they create 244 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:05.200 year zero. You know that you had cadre leaders, uh 245 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:08.240 you know at the battle at Ko tang Uh that 246 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:11.759 was the battalion sized element and like the old man 247 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:14.480 on the ground commanding force, it was twenty three years old. 248 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:16.600 You know, it was a bunch of teenagers that he 249 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:18.200 was leading. You know, I mean, I'm not I'm not 250 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:23.679 saying that pure Marcis Lennon. His practice has to entail kids, 251 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:28.039 is your as your parisan element. But it makes sense 252 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:31.440 to do that, you know. So I've tried to tease 253 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:34.039 that out of people's minds when they claim to be MAOIs. 254 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:35.399 What is that what they're talking about? 255 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:36.000 You know? 256 00:14:36.120 --> 00:14:38.320 And they played koy about it, because, like I said, 257 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:40.799 if you're talking an educated person and you say that, 258 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:42.559 you know, you think them we're going to camp and 259 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:44.559 she is this like wonderful model, will think you're a 260 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:47.519 psycho or an idiot or something. But I but I'm 261 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:50.159 gleeming that people actually know their subject matter when they 262 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:52.759 say they're Maoist, that's what they're talking about, you know, 263 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:56.159 and that that uh like that's what's interest thing too, 264 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:59.519 because I would have imagined, Uh, Jackson Hinkel, who I 265 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:02.360 actually uh, I actually have some respect for. He's an 266 00:15:02.360 --> 00:15:06.120 interesting dude. He's not a he's not a he's not 267 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:10.080 a pey King fanboy, but he's definitely an apologist. And 268 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:12.519 it chocked out more though that that's the only real 269 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:16.080 living example of anything approaching of Marxist Leninist practice today. 270 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:19.440 You know, I think there's uh and of course, uh, 271 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:21.919 the situation in Yemen is interesting, and you know, like 272 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:24.759 we talked about, I think, uh, a lot of those 273 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:28.639 Yemeni's under arms, they uh, they they'll they'll wave the 274 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:31.759 hammer and sickle and stuff. Because South Yemen was THO 275 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:35.679 was the only Marxist Leninist Arab state and it's kind 276 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:40.600 of been their intellectual DNA to have some of those 277 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:44.320 aspects as a reference point, you know, and the d 278 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:47.759 d R was also all over Yemen. It's it's really interesting. 279 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:49.440 It uh. 280 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:52.360 But yeah, I what I was that was tangential, But 281 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:54.840 I think, uh, I think people like Hinkle into a 282 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:57.399 lesser of v Emmanuel Wallerstein and some of these more 283 00:15:57.399 --> 00:15:59.840 moderate guys. I think they only hold out the PRC 284 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:02.960 is because like this, Ahla, I think, you know, if 285 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:05.879 there was, if there was still a Soviet Union around, 286 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:08.279 they they'd be a lot more critical. 287 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:10.000 Because I don't. I don't. 288 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:11.519 I don't see how anybody can hold it out as 289 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:15.360 some sort of like model of developed socialism, you know, 290 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:16.159 because it's it's not. 291 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:16.639 I don't. 292 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:19.480 I don't think you can translate. I don't think you 293 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:22.440 can translate Marcus Leninism to an oriental society. 294 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:24.200 I don't think it works. I don't. 295 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:28.039 I don't think there's the conceptual vocabulary there, you know, 296 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:32.559 And that's why that's why a man like Mao became hantual. 297 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:36.879 I mean, I think danzel Ping was the real brains 298 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:41.840 behind uh the Communist party there and uh. But he 299 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:44.360 you know, he was a techno creat he didn't. I 300 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:49.240 think he probably understood the the ideological doctrine that supposedly 301 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:53.000 pick King was a biting better than his comrades, but 302 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:53.600 I I. 303 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:55.200 Don't think he was rinally invested in it. 304 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:59.960 But that point, I thought it was interesting when I 305 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:03.360 started looking at Mao's when I started going after Maos 306 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:05.759 China and seeing what was going on there that I 307 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:10.559 would go to the In the Forward magazine in twenty twelve, 308 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:14.640 writes an article about how eighty percent of Mao's advisors 309 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:17.119 in the beginning were Jews, and most of them were 310 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:23.720 from New York City, even Guggenheim's daughter. It's like, I mean, 311 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:29.160 there's also in I think it may have been in 312 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:35.880 two hundred years together Socialistan talks about a revolutionary, a 313 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:38.880 Soviet Jew who went to China and they kicked them out. 314 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:42.759 They were just like, yeah, we can yeah, we just leave. 315 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:43.599 Leave. 316 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:46.200 We can't deal with you, because when you're dealing with 317 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:48.319 New York Jews, you're dealing with people who are not 318 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:52.000 they're not revolutionary, they're not there, they haven't killed anybody. 319 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:55.240 And then you have these Russia, these Soviet Jews who 320 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:57.599 come there and it's like, all right, all right, you 321 00:17:57.640 --> 00:17:59.960 guys need you guys are way out of him. 322 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:06.319 Yeah, no, one hundred percent, and yeah, it's uh, well, 323 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:06.799 it's awesome. 324 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:08.240 I mean it's like I was talking. 325 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:10.920 About Dad, like the other day, Uh we we had 326 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:12.119 to go pick up his prescriptions. 327 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:13.119 We a little bit of a drive. 328 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:15.400 And you know, like we we talk a lot on 329 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:18.680 the road, like we always have, you know, and uh, 330 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:21.599 you know that the Communists were were winning in the 331 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:24.640 Cold War in military terms. I mean, I think really 332 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:28.599 until the final cycle of hostility, but before the Sino 333 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:31.720 Soviets split, they they had the planets. I don't think 334 00:18:31.720 --> 00:18:34.559 people don't even understand that, you know. That's why I 335 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:38.279 argue assessantly with these people are so ignorant, like like 336 00:18:38.359 --> 00:18:40.839 the Vietnam War, there was no vital interest there. I'm like, 337 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:43.440 the Communists had the planet. Man, you can't say, you 338 00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:46.240 can't declare the Truman doctor and then say, you know what, 339 00:18:46.279 --> 00:18:48.240 we were just kidding. You know, we're not We're not 340 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:50.799 We're not gonna fight for our client states when they're 341 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:53.920 under attack by by the Eastern Bloc. You know, we 342 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:56.119 we we were lying about that, you know, I mean, 343 00:18:56.119 --> 00:18:58.480 what's what's some vital interest at that point? You know, 344 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:01.400 if you have I mean think out, uh, think about 345 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:07.640 a territorial contiguous mass from East Berlin to Vladivostok down 346 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:14.279 to Pyongyang that also entails the entirety of China in Mongolia. 347 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:18.680 That's unbelievable. That's insurmountable, you know, and if you if 348 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:22.160 it had held together, you know, uh, I mean, how 349 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:23.119 do you even fight that? 350 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:23.960 You could? 351 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:27.279 Uh, you kill three hundred million people with strategud new 352 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:29.960 lear forces and still not defeat them. You might be 353 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:33.079 able to break their ability to make war temporarily, you know, 354 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:35.759 but but then what you know that this thing was 355 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:39.839 a monolith, and uh, you know, I don't, I don't, 356 00:19:39.839 --> 00:19:44.720 I don't. Uh, I well, can't get their mind around that, 357 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:46.599 the fact that you know, you you must have bid 358 00:19:46.759 --> 00:19:50.920 declared policy imperatives when you're talking about uh a global 359 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:52.599 conflict paradigm, you know. 360 00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:55.759 Well, but yeah, it's fast. 361 00:19:56.599 --> 00:20:00.440 Isn't it hard for someone to be able to the 362 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:04.920 average person? I mean, and even the average person is 363 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:08.480 a journalist or an academic. I mean, these aren't intelligent people. 364 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:11.359 It's hard for them to be able to think about 365 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:15.480 think on a global scale while they're preaching and shoving 366 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:19.920 liberalism down people's throat, which is individual which is individuality, 367 00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:23.599 live and let live, and that just butts up against 368 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:27.480 that whole idea. So they I mean, right from the start, 369 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:30.680 this whole project was doomed to get to where it 370 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:34.599 is now because you're preaching On one hand, you're preaching individualism. 371 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:38.400 On the other hand, you're realizing that other you know, 372 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:42.079 really intelligent people are realizing on a global scale, we're 373 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:44.839 looking at being taken over in liberalism may be the 374 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:46.240 way that they're going to do it. 375 00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:50.640 Oh yeah, no, And I realize these people are are cretans. 376 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:53.640 And I mean, in addition to being just bad people, 377 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:56.680 they're monumentally ignorant. 378 00:20:56.920 --> 00:20:58.640 I just don't you know, even. 379 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:01.799 If even if a politics isn't your thing, you know, 380 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:03.640 I mean, look a look at a world map in 381 00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:06.960 the year ninety sixty five, a political map, I mean 382 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:12.000 of the planet. You know, people, America just survived. But 383 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:16.640 you know, if a communist victory, the America would have 384 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:19.359 been this kind of garrison island state, it would be 385 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:22.279 a lot poorer, you know, it'd be a much more 386 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:26.279 close society. There'd be shortages of some things. But that's 387 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:29.559 not I mean, I I think I could tolerate pretty 388 00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:31.960 much anything because I'm so tough or something. But I've 389 00:21:31.960 --> 00:21:33.880 got to I've just got to higher tolerance for like 390 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:38.440 being uncomfortable with most people and hokies. It might sound 391 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:42.200 my faith kind of carries me through, but like nine 392 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:45.000 percent of Americans would really not want to live in 393 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:47.640 a world that I just described. They would not like that, 394 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:51.319 you know, and it wouldn't it wouldn't be if you 395 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:53.839 was this idea, I think that, oh well, if that 396 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:56.680 had happened, you know, maybe like you know, maybe toilet 397 00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:59.480 paper would be less equality, and you know, it'd be 398 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:02.559 harder to get cigarettes or something. They don't understand the 399 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:05.119 reality of that, you know, the stuff they did for granted, 400 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:07.799 wouldn't exist, and it'd be this constant they'd be this 401 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:11.680