Speaker 1: This is the seventy seven WABC Mini cast.
Speaker 2: I promise you I would divert my attention focus on
Speaker 2: nine to eleven, and I've done that, and I want
Speaker 2: to keep this mayor away and the overwhelming majority of
Speaker 2: people I speak to in this city, and I'm very.
Speaker 1: Famous, I speak to a lot of people. They agree
Speaker 1: nine to eleven families.
Speaker 2: And just every person walking in the street, but not
Speaker 2: every single person does. So I was surprised to hear
Speaker 2: on the news a couple of days ago this young lady,
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Miller, God bless her, her father, God rest his soul,
Speaker 2: was killed on nine to eleven a firefighter. I don't
Speaker 2: know mister Miller, but I can tell you this.
Speaker 1: I love him.
Speaker 2: New York loves someone in America loves him. So I
Speaker 2: was surprised to hear that she's okay with the mayor
Speaker 2: being in attendance.
Speaker 1: Even though the mayor hangs out with people.
Speaker 2: Hassan Piker, Chevalier Lyrics, who were co conspirators and the
Speaker 2: bombing of the Royal Trade Center in nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 2: hangs out with them, says nice things about them.
Speaker 1: This is not just the everyday politician.
Speaker 2: You disagree with this guy is friendly with says nice
Speaker 2: things about people who said America deserved nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry he shouldn't be there.
Speaker 2: But Liz Miller, who's closer to the situation, She lost
Speaker 2: her relative, I lost friends. She says, it's okay, let's
Speaker 2: talk to her. Elizabeth, good morning.
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 3: Good morning? How are you? Thank you for taking the
Speaker 3: time to talk to me.
Speaker 2: No, no, of course. First of all, what can I say?
Speaker 2: You know your father God rest his soul. I mean,
Speaker 2: New Yorkers love him, Americans love him. I didn't know
Speaker 2: the man personally, but I'm sure he was a wonderful,
Speaker 2: wonderful guy. So I just want to thank you for
Speaker 2: the service that your dad gave to this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was definitely a true hero. And I always
Speaker 3: say my mom was an even bigger hero that she
Speaker 3: raised three crazy little girls by herself.
Speaker 1: Wow, is your mom so alive? Is she still with us?
Speaker 3: Yep? Thank god, my mom's still here. Yeah, my three
Speaker 3: sisters still well. I'm one of three. We're all still
Speaker 3: here and doing well.
Speaker 1: Well. How old are you now?
Speaker 3: I am thirty one. I'll be thirty two in December.
Speaker 1: So you were a baby Lizzie were like five or
Speaker 1: six years old.
Speaker 3: I was six, yep, turning seven.
Speaker 1: Do you have any memories at that? Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you're old enough at that point to remember memory.
Speaker 3: I actually have a lot. I actually lost to twoth
Speaker 3: on September eleventh, So it's like, we like laugh about
Speaker 3: it now that I brought home a certificate that said, oh,
Speaker 3: Elizabeth Miller lost the tooth, But little did I know.
Speaker 3: I was, of course losing a lot more. But that's
Speaker 3: like one thing we laugh about years later.
Speaker 1: Well, that is kind of cute. It is kind of funny.
Speaker 3: So oh, you got to like you gotta find the humor.
Speaker 1: And no sure, And where did you live? Where'd you
Speaker 1: guys grow up?
Speaker 3: I grew up in Port Jervis, New York, which is
Speaker 3: about an hour thirty forty minutes from the city, so
Speaker 3: kind of removed, very small town vibe.
Speaker 1: I know it was.
Speaker 3: Everybody knows everybody.
Speaker 1: I know it. Well, So your dad was part of
Speaker 1: what ladder? What what station? What group? Do you remember
Speaker 1: he worked?
Speaker 3: He worked to Rescue five, which is pretty incredible because
Speaker 3: he was thirty four years old, which is pretty young,
Speaker 3: you know as a fireman, and that he was already
Speaker 3: in a rescue company. Was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Now, what do you do for a living? You sound
Speaker 2: very bright, I mean you really do.
Speaker 1: What do you do for a living?
Speaker 3: I do run the nonprofit September eleventh, Families for Peaceful Tomorrow's.
Speaker 3: I actually was a counseled person in the city of
Speaker 3: Port Jervis in my prior life. But I've actually studied
Speaker 3: terrorism and al Qaida and all things nine to eleven,
Speaker 3: the case at Guantanamo. I've been doing that since I
Speaker 3: was about eighteen years old.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you know what you're talking about, but you
Speaker 2: do realize I think I just spoke about this group,
Speaker 2: and this is where the conversation macain a little contentious.
Speaker 2: I love you, don't get mad at me. But is
Speaker 2: that not the group that George Soros funds.
Speaker 3: So Open Society Foundations was like a funder of Peaceful
Speaker 3: Tomorrow's for a year passed, but not since I've come on.
Speaker 3: I only joined in twenty twenty because again I was
Speaker 3: six on September eleventh, and it wasn't, of course, like
Speaker 3: we never had direct conversations with demands. It was through
Speaker 3: the Open Society Foundation. We are not funded by by them. Anymore,
Speaker 3: and there was actually something else in the paper, so
Speaker 3: that we get like all sorts of money, like our
Speaker 3: operating budgets, like one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year,
Speaker 3: which basically just covers like a zoom account website like housekeeping, right,
Speaker 3: you know? So?
Speaker 2: So yeah, so, And I don't want to put words
Speaker 2: in your mouth. So you're not okay with George Soros,
Speaker 2: You're not.
Speaker 3: I to be honest, I don't spend enough time like
Speaker 3: digging into demand. That's one thing I wouldn't comment on.
Speaker 3: I just we maybe will have to have a follow
Speaker 3: up conversation.
Speaker 1: Okay, So are.
Speaker 2: You the type Elizabeth Miller that doesn't talk politics, because
Speaker 2: while you're lovely, these are mutually exclusive. I'm getting up
Speaker 2: only that you may be a Democrat, and Democrats would
Speaker 2: tend to be more open to having this horrible mayor
Speaker 2: down at that site than Republicans like me. So I'm
Speaker 2: going to guess, And if you don't want to answer,
Speaker 2: that's up to you. But it sounds to me like
Speaker 2: you may be a Democrat.
Speaker 1: Am I wrong?
Speaker 3: Oh that's okay, Yes, I was. I am a Democrat.
Speaker 3: I usually do vote left. Doesn't say It doesn't mean
Speaker 3: that I don't have respect for a lot of Republican
Speaker 3: candidates in years past. And listen, I think disagreement makes
Speaker 3: the world go around. I think we learned from each
Speaker 3: other when we're uncomfortable and we have some of these
Speaker 3: uncomfortable conversations, which I think is why I was so
Speaker 3: excited for the opportunity to talk to you, because you know,
Speaker 3: I've heard some of your viewpoints and I'm you know
Speaker 3: right where you're coming from.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm rough right, You're a New Yorkers nothing,
Speaker 1: I'm not there, you go. No, you're right. So if
Speaker 1: you were living, let's say, in Brooklyn or.
Speaker 2: The city and not Long Island, would you have voted
Speaker 2: for Mom Donnie. I'm not going to hold this against you.
Speaker 2: I promise would you vote a brand?
Speaker 3: Yes? I would have. You would have, Okay, I won't
Speaker 3: lie to you. Yes I would have.
Speaker 2: Now now listen, I'm Jewish and I hate them Inn
Speaker 2: like I hate him with a If you've watched me
Speaker 2: and listened to me, like, I really hate him, like
Speaker 2: not a bad mans can happened to him and his wife.
Speaker 2: That's how much I hate his guts. What what do
Speaker 2: you like about him, why would you have voted for him?
Speaker 3: So for me, I'm a big believer in like neighbor
Speaker 3: politics and leading with compassion and kindness. And I don't
Speaker 3: think leading with and listen, this isn't just like about
Speaker 3: him specifically. I think it's just in general. But like,
Speaker 3: leading with compassion shouldn't be a radical concept, and I think,
Speaker 3: unfortunately like sometimes it is. I'm a like I said,
Speaker 3: I'm a big believer, and like I love having conversations
Speaker 3: across the aisle because I'm not going to discount you
Speaker 3: based on who you voted for. I want to get
Speaker 3: to know who you are at your heart.
Speaker 1: You're not You're not.
Speaker 2: But he's not compassionate, his wife celebrated October the seventh.
Speaker 2: I mean, I assume you know who Hassan Piker is.
Speaker 2: So not only did Hassan Piker, by his own admission,
Speaker 2: say America deserved nine to eleven, Your father deserve to die.
Speaker 2: Your father deserve to.
Speaker 1: Die that day.
Speaker 2: According to Hasan Piker, not only did his friend say that,
Speaker 2: but mister Mumdonie was sitting right there as a guest
Speaker 2: on Piker's podcast, and Elizabeth he offered no pushback, zero pushback.
Speaker 2: So when the guy says, your father deserved to die,
Speaker 2: and this mayor sits there and doesn't say a word
Speaker 2: and hasn't since, how is that okay?
Speaker 3: From what I know, I think that he has said
Speaker 3: that it was reprehensible after the fact. And I think
Speaker 3: the other thing is we're all a little guilty sometimes
Speaker 3: by association. Like my mother always says, sometimes you lay
Speaker 3: with dogs, she gets fleesed, and sometimes we're all a
Speaker 3: little guilty of laying with a dog. From time to time.
Speaker 1: He lays with a whole pound. It's not just a dog.
Speaker 2: He's got clerics, smiling selpies in the streets that blew
Speaker 2: up the Royal Trade Center. He's got his wife who's
Speaker 2: a vile, wretched person. He's got Chevalier, he just endorsed her,
Speaker 2: who wiped her dirty hands with the American plague. He
Speaker 2: doesn't associate with one guy. Everybody he associates some with.
Speaker 2: They either hate the Jews, hate is you, or hate America.
Speaker 2: All of them, Elizabeth, all of them.
Speaker 3: Well, And I will say, I am not a New
Speaker 3: Yorker like in the city, so I don't follow all
Speaker 3: of these things as closely. I don't follow all of
Speaker 3: his policies as closely. Of course, during the election time,
Speaker 3: I was interested, But I think for me, the biggest
Speaker 3: issue is that, like I'm not going to sit here
Speaker 3: and tell you how to feel about the man. I
Speaker 3: think you know, how you feel is important and it's valid,
Speaker 3: and I would never discount your feelings, and you know,
Speaker 3: I would hope mine wouldn't be discounted. I think that
Speaker 3: we've just reached a point, like there's so much that
Speaker 3: goes on with nine to eleven that like we still
Speaker 3: don't even know some of the like who, what, where,
Speaker 3: when and why, and like you just referred to like
Speaker 3: these clerics, they're not from my research and what I've done,
Speaker 3: like they didn't have a hand in nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: I've been researching nine to eleven again my whole life
Speaker 3: to try to get a grip on like how did
Speaker 3: I end up here? Like how the hell is this
Speaker 3: my life? And I think that sometimes some of this,
Speaker 3: like politics, overshadows the real issues I think that are
Speaker 3: still happening twenty five years later, like Gipmo, like everything
Speaker 3: at Bontonoma, Like there's still five men accused in including
Speaker 3: the mastermind, Cleete Sjae Muhammad, who isn't sentenced, he's not
Speaker 3: considered guilty yet as of this point, Like that breaks
Speaker 3: my heart.
Speaker 2: Don't break your heart of a Saik Muhammad, trust me. Okay,
Speaker 2: he's not deserving or that type of sympathy. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: I understand. You know the Innocents Project, Fantastic Way to Go,
Speaker 2: Barryshek and those types of people. But certain people don't
Speaker 2: deserve that level of sympathy, and he's one of them.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll say this to you. You made the
Speaker 2: point that you don't want the focus to be on
Speaker 2: anybody but the families and the victims, and boy do
Speaker 2: I agree, but you but you know you realize, Elizabit,
Speaker 2: when that punk shows up that day, he's going to
Speaker 2: get all all the attention, every camera shot, family members
Speaker 2: will turn, their politicians will shine him, or they're going
Speaker 2: to talk about that day. If this guy shows up,
Speaker 2: is him? If he's not there, guess what at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the telecast and maybe the beginning of your ceremony,
Speaker 2: they'll go no, mayor, that'll be it. If he's there,
Speaker 2: he's going to demand all the attention.
Speaker 1: Why would you want that?
Speaker 3: Ye? I think people are a lot of talk I
Speaker 3: think people ask like like and I'm not saying nihilon families.
Speaker 3: I'm saying like politicians, so like, you're going to have
Speaker 3: him come? And I think, think about this when President
Speaker 3: Trump had individuals like when signed you know, the petition,
Speaker 3: that he didn't want it. They didn't want him there.
Speaker 3: And again it wasn't of course as large, but he
Speaker 3: still came and the day wasn't about him. And listen,
Speaker 3: I'm a firm believer regardless of who you are as
Speaker 3: an elected official, I'm grateful that you want to take
Speaker 3: the opportunity to sit there and honor our loved ones.
Speaker 3: Whether I like you, whether I don't, whether I agree
Speaker 3: with all of your policies, whether I don't. I think
Speaker 3: the other thing.
Speaker 2: Although you think that you think you're a very smart girl,
Speaker 2: you are, I'm not just I'm not patronizing you.
Speaker 3: People yell, I don't feel like you are.
Speaker 2: Okay, But do you think that the mayor is honoring
Speaker 2: your loved ones? He couldn't care less that your father
Speaker 2: is dead, and I know that sounds really rough.
Speaker 1: He couldn't care less.
Speaker 2: He's showing up because he's still trying to snow people
Speaker 2: that he actually cares about this country, which he doesn't.
Speaker 1: He's not there honor your father. He couldn't care less.
Speaker 2: He would much rather honor Mohammed Atta who flew flew
Speaker 2: the damn plane into the building.
Speaker 3: I think, well, like again, this is where we disagree,
Speaker 3: and I think that's okay. I think that he would
Speaker 3: honor my dad. Again, I didn't vote for for President Trump.
Speaker 3: I think President Trump would be honoring my dad. I
Speaker 3: think there's some other individuals. I think that any politician
Speaker 3: or government And that's the other thing. He's a government official,
Speaker 3: so once they become elected, they are the representative. Whether
Speaker 3: we like that or not.
Speaker 1: What at all? Not another or not? He makes decisions
Speaker 1: for the city. But he wasn't even He wasn't even
Speaker 1: here in the United States one when your dad, God
Speaker 1: rest his soul, died. He doesn't. He doesn't.
Speaker 2: You have to earn that he wasn't even here. So
Speaker 2: a bunch of silly people vote him. That makes him
Speaker 2: deserve of being down there with that sacred psyche.
Speaker 1: No, I don't believe in that you got to earn that.
Speaker 1: He hasn't earned it.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is like legally, technically he's a government
Speaker 3: official in at the moment, you know. That's what I'm
Speaker 3: talking about on the ground level. And so like think
Speaker 3: about all that Mayor Bloomberg has done for the museum
Speaker 3: in years past and helping with the financials and everything
Speaker 3: like that. And so the other thing is what do
Speaker 3: you do if the government officials and politicians can't come.
Speaker 3: So it's like this is like a really big honest
Speaker 3: conversation that means, oh, it's crazy. There should have been
Speaker 3: from the start. He should be allowed and who shouldn't