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<v Speaker 1>This is the seventy seven WABC Mini cast.

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<v Speaker 2>I promise you I would divert my attention focus on

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<v Speaker 2>nine to eleven, and I've done that, and I want

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<v Speaker 2>to keep this mayor away and the overwhelming majority of

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<v Speaker 2>people I speak to in this city, and I'm very.

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<v Speaker 1>Famous, I speak to a lot of people. They agree

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<v Speaker 1>nine to eleven families.

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<v Speaker 2>And just every person walking in the street, but not

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<v Speaker 2>every single person does. So I was surprised to hear

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<v Speaker 2>on the news a couple of days ago this young lady,

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Miller, God bless her, her father, God rest his soul,

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<v Speaker 2>was killed on nine to eleven a firefighter. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know mister Miller, but I can tell you this.

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<v Speaker 1>I love him.

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<v Speaker 2>New York loves someone in America loves him. So I

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<v Speaker 2>was surprised to hear that she's okay with the mayor

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<v Speaker 2>being in attendance.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though the mayor hangs out with people.

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<v Speaker 2>Hassan Piker, Chevalier Lyrics, who were co conspirators and the

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<v Speaker 2>bombing of the Royal Trade Center in nineteen ninety three,

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<v Speaker 2>hangs out with them, says nice things about them.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not just the everyday politician.

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<v Speaker 2>You disagree with this guy is friendly with says nice

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<v Speaker 2>things about people who said America deserved nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry he shouldn't be there.

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<v Speaker 2>But Liz Miller, who's closer to the situation, She lost

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<v Speaker 2>her relative, I lost friends. She says, it's okay, let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk to her. Elizabeth, good morning.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>Good morning? How are you? Thank you for taking the

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<v Speaker 3>time to talk to me.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, of course. First of all, what can I say?

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<v Speaker 2>You know your father God rest his soul. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>New Yorkers love him, Americans love him. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>the man personally, but I'm sure he was a wonderful,

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful guy. So I just want to thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>the service that your dad gave to this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was definitely a true hero. And I always

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<v Speaker 3>say my mom was an even bigger hero that she

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<v Speaker 3>raised three crazy little girls by herself.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, is your mom so alive? Is she still with us?

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<v Speaker 3>Yep? Thank god, my mom's still here. Yeah, my three

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<v Speaker 3>sisters still well. I'm one of three. We're all still

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<v Speaker 3>here and doing well.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. How old are you now?

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<v Speaker 3>I am thirty one. I'll be thirty two in December.

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<v Speaker 1>So you were a baby Lizzie were like five or

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<v Speaker 1>six years old.

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<v Speaker 3>I was six, yep, turning seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any memories at that? Oh yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you're old enough at that point to remember memory.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually have a lot. I actually lost to twoth

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<v Speaker 3>on September eleventh, So it's like, we like laugh about

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<v Speaker 3>it now that I brought home a certificate that said, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth Miller lost the tooth, But little did I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I was, of course losing a lot more. But that's

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<v Speaker 3>like one thing we laugh about years later.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that is kind of cute. It is kind of funny.

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<v Speaker 3>So oh, you got to like you gotta find the humor.

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<v Speaker 1>And no sure, And where did you live? Where'd you

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<v Speaker 1>guys grow up?

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<v Speaker 3>I grew up in Port Jervis, New York, which is

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<v Speaker 3>about an hour thirty forty minutes from the city, so

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<v Speaker 3>kind of removed, very small town vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody knows everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it. Well, So your dad was part of

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<v Speaker 1>what ladder? What what station? What group? Do you remember

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<v Speaker 1>he worked?

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<v Speaker 3>He worked to Rescue five, which is pretty incredible because

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<v Speaker 3>he was thirty four years old, which is pretty young,

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<v Speaker 3>you know as a fireman, and that he was already

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<v Speaker 3>in a rescue company. Was pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what do you do for a living? You sound

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<v Speaker 2>very bright, I mean you really do.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do for a living?

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<v Speaker 3>I do run the nonprofit September eleventh, Families for Peaceful Tomorrow's.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually was a counseled person in the city of

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<v Speaker 3>Port Jervis in my prior life. But I've actually studied

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<v Speaker 3>terrorism and al Qaida and all things nine to eleven,

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<v Speaker 3>the case at Guantanamo. I've been doing that since I

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<v Speaker 3>was about eighteen years old.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you know what you're talking about, but you

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<v Speaker 2>do realize I think I just spoke about this group,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is where the conversation macain a little contentious.

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<v Speaker 2>I love you, don't get mad at me. But is

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<v Speaker 2>that not the group that George Soros funds.

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<v Speaker 3>So Open Society Foundations was like a funder of Peaceful

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<v Speaker 3>Tomorrow's for a year passed, but not since I've come on.

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<v Speaker 3>I only joined in twenty twenty because again I was

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<v Speaker 3>six on September eleventh, and it wasn't, of course, like

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<v Speaker 3>we never had direct conversations with demands. It was through

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<v Speaker 3>the Open Society Foundation. We are not funded by by them. Anymore,

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<v Speaker 3>and there was actually something else in the paper, so

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<v Speaker 3>that we get like all sorts of money, like our

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<v Speaker 3>operating budgets, like one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year,

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<v Speaker 3>which basically just covers like a zoom account website like housekeeping, right,

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<v Speaker 3>you know? So?

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so, And I don't want to put words

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<v Speaker 2>in your mouth. So you're not okay with George Soros,

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<v Speaker 2>You're not.

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<v Speaker 3>I to be honest, I don't spend enough time like

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<v Speaker 3>digging into demand. That's one thing I wouldn't comment on.

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<v Speaker 3>I just we maybe will have to have a follow

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<v Speaker 3>up conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So are.

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<v Speaker 2>You the type Elizabeth Miller that doesn't talk politics, because

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<v Speaker 2>while you're lovely, these are mutually exclusive. I'm getting up

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<v Speaker 2>only that you may be a Democrat, and Democrats would

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<v Speaker 2>tend to be more open to having this horrible mayor

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<v Speaker 2>down at that site than Republicans like me. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to guess, And if you don't want to answer,

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<v Speaker 2>that's up to you. But it sounds to me like

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<v Speaker 2>you may be a Democrat.

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<v Speaker 1>Am I wrong?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's okay, Yes, I was. I am a Democrat.

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<v Speaker 3>I usually do vote left. Doesn't say It doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 3>that I don't have respect for a lot of Republican

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<v Speaker 3>candidates in years past. And listen, I think disagreement makes

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<v Speaker 3>the world go around. I think we learned from each

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<v Speaker 3>other when we're uncomfortable and we have some of these

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<v Speaker 3>uncomfortable conversations, which I think is why I was so

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<v Speaker 3>excited for the opportunity to talk to you, because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I've heard some of your viewpoints and I'm you know

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<v Speaker 3>right where you're coming from.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm rough right, You're a New Yorkers nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not there, you go. No, you're right. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you were living, let's say, in Brooklyn or.

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<v Speaker 2>The city and not Long Island, would you have voted

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<v Speaker 2>for Mom Donnie. I'm not going to hold this against you.

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<v Speaker 2>I promise would you vote a brand?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes? I would have. You would have, Okay, I won't

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<v Speaker 3>lie to you. Yes I would have.

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<v Speaker 2>Now now listen, I'm Jewish and I hate them Inn

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<v Speaker 2>like I hate him with a If you've watched me

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<v Speaker 2>and listened to me, like, I really hate him, like

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<v Speaker 2>not a bad mans can happened to him and his wife.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how much I hate his guts. What what do

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<v Speaker 2>you like about him, why would you have voted for him?

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<v Speaker 3>So for me, I'm a big believer in like neighbor

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<v Speaker 3>politics and leading with compassion and kindness. And I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think leading with and listen, this isn't just like about

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<v Speaker 3>him specifically. I think it's just in general. But like,

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<v Speaker 3>leading with compassion shouldn't be a radical concept, and I think,

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<v Speaker 3>unfortunately like sometimes it is. I'm a like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a big believer, and like I love having conversations

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<v Speaker 3>across the aisle because I'm not going to discount you

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<v Speaker 3>based on who you voted for. I want to get

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<v Speaker 3>to know who you are at your heart.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not You're not.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's not compassionate, his wife celebrated October the seventh.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I assume you know who Hassan Piker is.

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<v Speaker 2>So not only did Hassan Piker, by his own admission,

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<v Speaker 2>say America deserved nine to eleven, Your father deserve to die.

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<v Speaker 2>Your father deserve to.

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<v Speaker 1>Die that day.

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<v Speaker 2>According to Hasan Piker, not only did his friend say that,

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<v Speaker 2>but mister Mumdonie was sitting right there as a guest

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<v Speaker 2>on Piker's podcast, and Elizabeth he offered no pushback, zero pushback.

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<v Speaker 2>So when the guy says, your father deserved to die,

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<v Speaker 2>and this mayor sits there and doesn't say a word

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<v Speaker 2>and hasn't since, how is that okay?

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<v Speaker 3>From what I know, I think that he has said

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<v Speaker 3>that it was reprehensible after the fact. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>the other thing is we're all a little guilty sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>by association. Like my mother always says, sometimes you lay

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<v Speaker 3>with dogs, she gets fleesed, and sometimes we're all a

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<v Speaker 3>little guilty of laying with a dog. From time to time.

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<v Speaker 1>He lays with a whole pound. It's not just a dog.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got clerics, smiling selpies in the streets that blew

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<v Speaker 2>up the Royal Trade Center. He's got his wife who's

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<v Speaker 2>a vile, wretched person. He's got Chevalier, he just endorsed her,

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<v Speaker 2>who wiped her dirty hands with the American plague. He

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't associate with one guy. Everybody he associates some with.

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<v Speaker 2>They either hate the Jews, hate is you, or hate America.

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<v Speaker 2>All of them, Elizabeth, all of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, And I will say, I am not a New

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<v Speaker 3>Yorker like in the city, so I don't follow all

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<v Speaker 3>of these things as closely. I don't follow all of

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<v Speaker 3>his policies as closely. Of course, during the election time,

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<v Speaker 3>I was interested, But I think for me, the biggest

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<v Speaker 3>issue is that, like I'm not going to sit here

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<v Speaker 3>and tell you how to feel about the man. I

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<v Speaker 3>think you know, how you feel is important and it's valid,

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<v Speaker 3>and I would never discount your feelings, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I would hope mine wouldn't be discounted. I think that

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<v Speaker 3>we've just reached a point, like there's so much that

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<v Speaker 3>goes on with nine to eleven that like we still

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<v Speaker 3>don't even know some of the like who, what, where,

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<v Speaker 3>when and why, and like you just referred to like

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<v Speaker 3>these clerics, they're not from my research and what I've done,

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<v Speaker 3>like they didn't have a hand in nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been researching nine to eleven again my whole life

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<v Speaker 3>to try to get a grip on like how did

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<v Speaker 3>I end up here? Like how the hell is this

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<v Speaker 3>my life? And I think that sometimes some of this,

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<v Speaker 3>like politics, overshadows the real issues I think that are

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<v Speaker 3>still happening twenty five years later, like Gipmo, like everything

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<v Speaker 3>at Bontonoma, Like there's still five men accused in including

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<v Speaker 3>the mastermind, Cleete Sjae Muhammad, who isn't sentenced, he's not

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<v Speaker 3>considered guilty yet as of this point, Like that breaks

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<v Speaker 2>Don't break your heart of a Saik Muhammad, trust me. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not deserving or that type of sympathy. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I understand. You know the Innocents Project, Fantastic Way to Go,

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<v Speaker 2>Barryshek and those types of people. But certain people don't

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<v Speaker 2>deserve that level of sympathy, and he's one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'll say this to you. You made the

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<v Speaker 2>point that you don't want the focus to be on

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<v Speaker 2>anybody but the families and the victims, and boy do

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, but you but you know you realize, Elizabit,

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<v Speaker 2>when that punk shows up that day, he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>get all all the attention, every camera shot, family members

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<v Speaker 2>will turn, their politicians will shine him, or they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about that day. If this guy shows up,

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<v Speaker 2>is him? If he's not there, guess what at the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of the telecast and maybe the beginning of your ceremony,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll go no, mayor, that'll be it. If he's there,

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to demand all the attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would you want that?

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<v Speaker 3>Ye? I think people are a lot of talk I

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<v Speaker 3>think people ask like like and I'm not saying nihilon families.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying like politicians, so like, you're going to have

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<v Speaker 3>him come? And I think, think about this when President

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<v Speaker 3>Trump had individuals like when signed you know, the petition,

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<v Speaker 3>that he didn't want it. They didn't want him there.

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<v Speaker 3>And again it wasn't of course as large, but he

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<v Speaker 3>still came and the day wasn't about him. And listen,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a firm believer regardless of who you are as

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<v Speaker 3>an elected official, I'm grateful that you want to take

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<v Speaker 3>the opportunity to sit there and honor our loved ones.

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<v Speaker 3>Whether I like you, whether I don't, whether I agree

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<v Speaker 3>with all of your policies, whether I don't. I think

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<v Speaker 3>the other thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Although you think that you think you're a very smart girl,

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<v Speaker 2>you are, I'm not just I'm not patronizing you.

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<v Speaker 3>People yell, I don't feel like you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, But do you think that the mayor is honoring

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<v Speaker 2>your loved ones? He couldn't care less that your father

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<v Speaker 2>is dead, and I know that sounds really rough.

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<v Speaker 1>He couldn't care less.

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<v Speaker 2>He's showing up because he's still trying to snow people

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<v Speaker 2>that he actually cares about this country, which he doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not there honor your father. He couldn't care less.

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<v Speaker 2>He would much rather honor Mohammed Atta who flew flew

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<v Speaker 2>the damn plane into the building.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, well, like again, this is where we disagree,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that's okay. I think that he would

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<v Speaker 3>honor my dad. Again, I didn't vote for for President Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>I think President Trump would be honoring my dad. I

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<v Speaker 3>think there's some other individuals. I think that any politician

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<v Speaker 3>or government And that's the other thing. He's a government official,

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<v Speaker 3>so once they become elected, they are the representative. Whether

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<v Speaker 3>we like that or not.

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<v Speaker 1>What at all? Not another or not? He makes decisions

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<v Speaker 1>for the city. But he wasn't even He wasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>here in the United States one when your dad, God

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<v Speaker 1>rest his soul, died. He doesn't. He doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to earn that he wasn't even here. So

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of silly people vote him. That makes him

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<v Speaker 2>deserve of being down there with that sacred psyche.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't believe in that you got to earn that.

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<v Speaker 1>He hasn't earned it.

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<v Speaker 3>What I'm saying is like legally, technically he's a government

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<v Speaker 3>official in at the moment, you know. That's what I'm

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<v Speaker 3>talking about on the ground level. And so like think

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<v Speaker 3>about all that Mayor Bloomberg has done for the museum

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<v Speaker 3>in years past and helping with the financials and everything

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<v Speaker 3>like that. And so the other thing is what do

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<v Speaker 3>you do if the government officials and politicians can't come.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's like this is like a really big honest

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<v Speaker 3>conversation that means, oh, it's crazy. There should have been

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<v Speaker 3>from the start. He should be allowed and who shouldn't