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Speaker 4: Clifford Bobo Erd, how are you doing?
Speaker 5: Uh just uh enjoying the day?
Speaker 4: Nice?
Speaker 5: Well cool? We should get to the squatchy part.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, this is of course our our This isn't
Speaker 4: a Q and A. This is our semi occasional topical episodes,
Speaker 4: a nice topical thing you want to rub all over
Speaker 4: your arms and shoulders, where we take on topics and
Speaker 4: things that we find interesting. Because what we how we
Speaker 4: do this is, you know, like Bobo and I were
Speaker 4: avid readers, were check out the news all the time,
Speaker 4: and whenever something crosses our desk that we think is
Speaker 4: interesting and the least slightly pertinent to our favorite subject
Speaker 4: in the world sasquatch, we send it to Matt Prud,
Speaker 4: our producer, the levely and talented Matt Prude, of course,
Speaker 4: who has a new book out everybody should good buy.
Speaker 4: And then he puts all these things together and we
Speaker 4: just kind of pick and choose. Hey, here's a news
Speaker 4: article that we enjoyed and we think is interesting. We
Speaker 4: discussed it for a while, so it's our topical episode.
Speaker 4: Welcome to our topical episode. So, Bobo, do you want
Speaker 4: to start? Does our a particular news I didn caught
Speaker 4: your attention or do you want me to go first?
Speaker 5: Well, I think I brought it up before.
Speaker 2: I think we I brought it up, but I didn't
Speaker 2: have The article in front of you was polar bear
Speaker 2: are throwing rocks and chunks of eyes to hunt walruses
Speaker 2: and seals. And I remember hearing that and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: how to be a sasquatch? And they just mistook it
Speaker 2: for a squat for.
Speaker 5: A bear, polar bear or whatever.
Speaker 2: And then I also guys telling me both these were
Speaker 2: around here up in Humble area. One guy telling me
Speaker 2: a bear, a black bear threw a stump at him,
Speaker 2: like a chunk of a stump at him, like picked
Speaker 2: up to his legs and his front reared up on
Speaker 2: his back legs and picked up his front legs and
Speaker 2: like checked it at him. And he said it went
Speaker 2: like twelve to fifteen feet in the air. Like not
Speaker 2: like just you know laterally like it didn't almost hit
Speaker 2: him or nothing. And then I knew another guy that
Speaker 2: said a bear picked up a big rock and like
Speaker 2: threw in his direction.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and you know, well, just straight to the
Speaker 4: source here. It's from Smithsonian magazine and the title of
Speaker 4: the articles polar bears take down walruses by hurling rocks
Speaker 4: and ice. New research corroborates Inuit knowledge of the animals
Speaker 4: cleverly using new tools, and certainly, if polar bears are
Speaker 4: doing this, other species of bears are very very very
Speaker 4: likely doing this as well. And some of the interesting
Speaker 4: takeaways for me, at least from this article is that,
Speaker 4: first of all, the native people in the area knew
Speaker 4: they did it. Duh, yeah, duh. Exactly. If you want
Speaker 4: to know what's going on in the woods, ask a
Speaker 4: native person. They have tens of thousands of years of
Speaker 4: history in that particular area.
Speaker 5: I spent three months there with my grad student. You know,
Speaker 5: I'll tell you.
Speaker 4: What's exactly exactly three months versus ten twenty thirty thousand years.
Speaker 4: Come on, yeah, yeah, of course. And of course it
Speaker 4: was documented. It was documented in eighteen sixty five. Some
Speaker 4: dude Charles Francis Hall was his name. An Arctic explore,
Speaker 4: he published an Inuit account. So he published a Native
Speaker 4: account of a polar bear attacking walruses, and he wrote
Speaker 4: about it, and he published it and talking about how
Speaker 4: he hurled the polar bear hurled a large rock down
Speaker 4: upon the walrus and basically crushing his skull. So, and
Speaker 4: of course Native people knew about this, they had seen
Speaker 4: these things before. So I think there's a couple of
Speaker 4: lessons here. Number one, Yeah, native knowledge. Listen, listen, listen
Speaker 4: to it. It's important they generally know what's up, you know.
Speaker 4: And on top of that, I've heard so many big footers,
Speaker 4: and I believe I've even said it too, that sasquatches
Speaker 4: are the only thing out there throwing rocks. And clearly
Speaker 4: I'm wrong, and everybody else who said that are also wrong.
Speaker 2: Well, it depends that define well, I mean not defined,
Speaker 2: but it depends. I mean, they're not throwing them forty
Speaker 2: yards or forty feet. I mean they're throwing them kind
Speaker 2: of down, you know, kind of they need they need
Speaker 2: the vertical height to get you know, any distance.
Speaker 5: It seems like, I mean, when.
Speaker 2: Squashes are throwing rocks, I mean they're you know a
Speaker 2: lot of times they're whizzing by stuff like that. Bears
Speaker 2: not doing those kind of rock throwers, but like those
Speaker 2: bigger rocks, mean they can kind of come rolling down it,
Speaker 2: like you hear them crashing down a hill like they
Speaker 2: got that that could definitely be a bear.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems like most of the throwing going on
Speaker 4: with these bears is kind of downwards, like toppling things
Speaker 4: off the side of cliffs or whatever and then crushing
Speaker 4: their prey down below. These you know, twenty thirty fifty
Speaker 4: mile an hour fastballs coming in, going through the tree
Speaker 4: tops and hitting stuff above you. I'm still inclined to
Speaker 4: think that those are sasquatches.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, undoubtedly. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So anyway, you have two big takeaways. Yeah, bears, they
Speaker 4: turn out they throw rocks. Go figure. And by the way,
Speaker 4: with accuracy. I thought that was another interesting thing. Here.
Speaker 4: Let's see I want I'm kind of scrolling through the
Speaker 4: article here. Let me find where it says this.
Speaker 2: It says the bear bounts the cliff and throws down
Speaker 2: upon the animal's head a large rock, calculating the distance
Speaker 2: and the curve with astonishing accuracy, and this crushing the thick,
Speaker 2: bulletproof skull all described.
Speaker 4: In his astonishing accuracy. I love it, And of course,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know, Maybe I just have different
Speaker 4: well I certainly have different opinions than a lot of
Speaker 4: people or whatever. But the scientists, they said the most
Speaker 4: significant part of this is that a bear is able
Speaker 4: to look at a situation, think of it in a
Speaker 4: three dimensional space, and then figure out what it might
Speaker 4: have to do to be successful. Really is that the
Speaker 4: most like, I don't know, I think they're underestimating bears.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean scientists and a lot of people in general.
Speaker 2: Under stuty animals is that chimpanzees combined calls to communicate
Speaker 2: new meaning. I mean, that doesn't surprise me at all.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I mean, of course.
Speaker 4: They do, yeah, of course, of course, And of course
Speaker 4: this was published on fizz dot org. Like fizz as
Speaker 4: in short for physics dot org. It is a great
Speaker 4: science blog and they routinely publish a lot of articles
Speaker 4: that I know that I'm interested in. And so yeah, again,
Speaker 4: scientists are underestimating these animals, and I see this all
Speaker 4: just scientists, by the way, It's just people underestimating these
Speaker 4: animals all the time. And that's why I get so perturbed.
Speaker 4: My feathers get all a fluff when people say, well,
Speaker 4: if you think these sasquatches are just big dumb apes,
Speaker 4: well they're big, and I think they're apes, but they're
Speaker 4: not dumb. And it kind of shows how little people
Speaker 4: understand how fantastic and what high level of cognition these
Speaker 4: other are are brethren these other ape species have. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they communicate. Yeah, they're basically talking to each other to
Speaker 4: some degree. And you know, birds talk to one another,
Speaker 4: but an entire song will will express a meaning, you know,
Speaker 4: and humans we have things that express meaning and we
Speaker 4: can rearrange them. So are our language ability is a
Speaker 4: little bit different than theirs because it's a little bit
Speaker 4: more advanced. But to think that chimpanzees were not capable
Speaker 4: of that, I think that's kind of ridiculous, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean, chimpanzees are extraordinarily intelligent animals. They're not the
Speaker 4: smartest of the apes generally speaking, for problem solving skills.
Speaker 4: That's that trophy goes the orangutan from what I understand
Speaker 4: from my reading. But chimpanzees are very, very intelligent, so
Speaker 4: of course they wouldn't just express a mood or express
Speaker 4: a thought. They would probably rearrange it to express higher level,
Speaker 4: more complex thinking that they are clearly capable of.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it was like, well, as you're talking about
Speaker 2: not the most intelligence species, what was it? If you
Speaker 2: give a gorilla a screwdriver, he'll forget what it was.
Speaker 2: But if you give it chimpanzee a screwdriver, he'll he'll
Speaker 2: figure out how to stab you with it. If you
Speaker 2: give it to an orangutan, he'll figure out how to
Speaker 2: escape with it.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, they don't even need a screw drivers.
Speaker 4: I mean, their their hands are so strong they can
Speaker 4: actually undo the bolts and whatever their in their enclosures.
Speaker 4: They people and zoo keepers in general have a very
Speaker 4: difficult time keeping orangutans in the cage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've seen videos of that. God I wish
Speaker 2: I could remember that saying. Our guests a couple weeks
Speaker 2: ago told us that one about the screwdrivers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and gorillas. They just kind of like give
Speaker 4: up on it. They said, who cares man? So I
Speaker 4: kind of like that kind of like the grill attitude,
Speaker 4: like who cares man?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, But you know, as far as getting back to
Speaker 4: the article here about the combination of calls with chimpanzees,
Speaker 4: how many times, Bobo, have you heard a combination of
Speaker 4: noises being omitted by a purported sasquatch?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Several?
Speaker 4: Well, Well, describe tell us, tell them, tell us what
Speaker 4: what you heard?
Speaker 5: Please.
Speaker 2: I can't describe the sounds, but I mean it was
Speaker 2: like it was definitely put together a different guy.
Speaker 5: I even know how to explain it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I've only really heard them do one or
Speaker 4: two noise like a rizon who like that kind of
Speaker 4: stuff and with the end going like that, like kind
Speaker 4: of that warbly thing that is very often associated with
Speaker 4: the vocalizations. But I can't think of any time I've
Speaker 4: heard them do something like, uh, well, I have knocks
Speaker 4: and whoops. I've heard those things together, whistles and whoops. No, no,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, whistles and knocks. I've heard that as well,
Speaker 4: but I can't think of like them going or anything
Speaker 4: like that, like changing the actual but caluisation being exhibited.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess one thing I noticed is at the
Speaker 2: end of the Ohio House, like the drop off that
Speaker 2: weird warbly part at the end.
Speaker 5: I've noticed that's gonna be different, for sure.
Speaker 2: I wonder how length of the call, like when they
Speaker 2: just go, like when they do those like twelve second
Speaker 2: whoa versus like a five second or a four second one.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've heard a variety of that sort of thing,
Speaker 4: but never never a combination of different sounds. Never in
Speaker 4: that sort of way, you know, So it makes you wonder, well.
Speaker 2: Samurai chatter, I mean that when I've heard that, that's
Speaker 2: like a bunch of different sounds.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, see, I've never heard that though I've
Speaker 4: only heard the recordings, and so far that's a sample
Speaker 4: set of one. I want to I'd like to hear
Speaker 4: it for myself or hear a slew of other recordings
Speaker 4: so I can, you know, learn a little bit more
Speaker 4: about what might be going on there.
Speaker 2: Right, It's gonna be interesting to see this AI is
Speaker 2: in these quantum computers and stuff get put to this stuff,
Speaker 2: like what they're going to figure out like with all
Speaker 2: the analyzation of all the calls, and there should be
Speaker 2: some good breakthroughs.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this idea of combining meaningful vocalizations, you know,
Speaker 4: if we do it, we clearly do it, and chimpanzees
Speaker 4: do it, then our last common ancestors about six million
Speaker 4: years ago, give or take a little give or take
Speaker 4: a few months, so they did it too, So everything
Speaker 4: passed the everywhere in between here and there, they probably
Speaker 4: did it as well. They probably did as well, which
Speaker 4: of course means australopithes scenes and all of our course,
Speaker 4: the other hominin's and all that sort of stuff. But
Speaker 4: it makes me kind of wonder since I've never heard
Speaker 4: sasquatches do it, it means it doesn't mean they don't
Speaker 4: do it. Of course, some people think that these are
Speaker 4: pretty much silent species, which I think is kind of
Speaker 4: a ridiculous statement, knowing what we know about vocalizations at
Speaker 4: this point. But yeah, I would think, yeah, it seems
Speaker 4: to be ignoring a lot of the data, that's for sure,
Speaker 4: But I don't know. I'd like to hear a vocalization
Speaker 4: of multiple sounds multiple what was the word I'm looking
Speaker 4: for compositions, I guess, but I'm not aware of any
Speaker 4: vocalization recordings of that. But then again, maybe they're just
Speaker 4: not trying to express anything with that, or maybe I'm
Speaker 4: overthinking it, and that's exactly what the whoops and knocks
Speaker 4: or the whistles and knocks are.
Speaker 2: I still I can't wait till we figure out how
Speaker 2: many knocks means.
Speaker 4: What or if that's even consistent.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, yeah, it doesn't mean anything at all.
Speaker 2: It's just like one guy bangs three times, they got
Speaker 2: banks once or four times or whatever. It's suspended because
Speaker 2: these more hyper he's got more testosterone, or she's more talkative.
Speaker 5: Or you know, quote unquote talkative.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's uh, I can't I just can't wait
Speaker 2: till we start learning this stuff, you know, instead of
Speaker 2: just speculating all the time.
Speaker 4: Well, hopefully we're learning a little bit now, but with
Speaker 4: you know, good record taking and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: But speaking and then we got another another article about
Speaker 2: underestimating that's the homo the lady about how they're intelligence.
Speaker 2: They had a brain went through the size of the
Speaker 2: of a human like us, but it turns out they
Speaker 2: are more complex thinkers than we gave them credit for,
Speaker 2: or like with the whole burials and the hashtags and
Speaker 2: the symbols.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, and this is from the Rising Star
Speaker 4: Cave in South Africa, and this is on ABC News
Speaker 4: is abcnews dot go dot com. Article published in early
Speaker 4: June about homon Alidi, of course, which is another human name,
Speaker 4: not maybe not ancestor, but human relative. It's a hominin
Speaker 4: for sure. And these things were kind of small, and
Speaker 4: they're very archaic in a lot of ways. They showed
Speaker 4: a lot of characteristics of early hominins, but also some
Speaker 4: things with later homonyms. So there, and of course there's
Speaker 4: a lot of interesting things about homon Alidi. First of all,
Speaker 4: all of the fossils from this one's species have been
Speaker 4: found in one place, in one place only, the Rising
Speaker 4: Star Cave in South Africa. So and this one find,
Speaker 4: of all these different hominin fossils, I believe more than
Speaker 4: doubled all of the hominin fossils in the world. So
Speaker 4: now one, this one particular find, gave us more hormon
Speaker 4: fossils in one find than we had collected in the
Speaker 4: previous one hundred and fifty years' Well, really, what's really
Speaker 4: amazing about it to me is the scarcity of fossils. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: because it turns out there aren't that many fossils people.
Speaker 4: I think that we hear about them so much, and
Speaker 4: we get this idea that we have all these different
Speaker 4: fossils and all these different examples of all these different hominins,
Speaker 4: and it's just simply is not true. It just simply
Speaker 4: is not true. We have barely any you know, of
Speaker 4: the billions of these different animals that existed, we have
Speaker 4: barely any. I was talking about this in the shop
Speaker 4: the other day, is people, how come there's not more fossils?
Speaker 4: And you know, yeah, that whole thing that we get
Speaker 4: all the time. And I brought up the idea of
Speaker 4: Trannosaurus rex. You know, everybody knows about t rexes, you know,
Speaker 4: Jurassic Park and all that jazz in. A recent study
Speaker 4: suggested that there were a couple billion of these over time.
Speaker 4: And to my knowledge, and I believe I'm correct on this,
Speaker 4: and if I'm not, please let me know. I don't mind.
Speaker 4: I don't mind being wrong. From what I understand, we
Speaker 4: have yet to find one fleet skeleton. So all of
Speaker 4: the rearticulated fossil skeletons of Tyrannosaurus rex are composites of
Speaker 4: different animals put together. But even though there are billions
Speaker 4: of these things over time, we have yet to find
Speaker 4: one complete fossilized skeleton. And a lot of that is
Speaker 4: true of hominins as well. Oh yeah, there's always bones missing,
Speaker 4: always bones missing. But back to the homo on Alite things.
Speaker 4: There seem to be deliberate scratch marks on the wall
Speaker 4: inside this cave system, and there's triangles, there's hashtag signs.
Speaker 4: We don't know what then, We have no idea what
Speaker 4: these carvings with these scratch marks mean, but it seems
Speaker 4: to be that these were used by homon Alidy for something.
Speaker 4: So there's some sort of symbolic thought going on here,
Speaker 4: some sort of symbolism, which is one of the defining
Speaker 4: characteristics of what humans are about really for the most part,
Speaker 4: although that again, that line is very much blurred every
Speaker 4: time we learn something new about another one of these animals,
Speaker 4: whether we're talking about ravens or other covids or dolphins
Speaker 4: or something else that like, oh, yeah they do that too, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe humans aren't aren't as special as we thought.
Speaker 5: They're the first social media presence hashtag in those graves.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess so. I guess so Hashtag and Aliti they.
Speaker 2: Lined up the yeah, because they scratched it into the
Speaker 2: rock surface, and they line up right over the each
Speaker 2: one lines up over a grave.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to read a paragraph out of this
Speaker 4: real fastest, and what I like about is this. The
Speaker 4: finding was striking and shocking and erases the idea of
Speaker 4: human exceptionalism that humans are different than animals and special
Speaker 4: due to their big brains. Home On Alite had brains
Speaker 4: about the size of a chimpanzee, and yet practice ritual burials,
Speaker 4: a behavior previously assumed was only done by humans. Lee
Speaker 4: Burger says, Lie Burger is the name of the paleoanthropologist
Speaker 4: who's in charge of this entire dig. But again, I
Speaker 4: don't know. I'm not sure. I have totally one hundred
Speaker 4: percent agree with everything he just said there, because I
Speaker 4: think that, yeah, are they actually is this actually examples
Speaker 4: of ritual burials because they're scratching on the wall. I
Speaker 4: don't know, we don't know that. I think it's very possible.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's not. But I think that perhaps
Speaker 4: at this point, maybe it's a little early. I don't know,
Speaker 4: what do you feel about that, Bobo a little maybe
Speaker 4: a bit earlier? Yeah, I mean I think it's very
Speaker 4: possible and a super intriguing idea. But again, it's to
Speaker 4: say it is that this is ritual burials. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe it's like, oh, dude, there's a dead thing there,
Speaker 4: let's scratch the wall there because it stinks. Who knows?
Speaker 5: So wanting to sign up to step in it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. You don't want to step in that, man.
Speaker 5: I mean, how often are we going to find another
Speaker 5: thing like that to corroborate?
Speaker 4: You know, like, no, I would love to How about
Speaker 4: how fantastic would it be to find another cave system
Speaker 4: or another example, any other example of homoog.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, just if we have something to compara
Speaker 2: in another cave, so it would be we'd get some
Speaker 2: answers then, And.
Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of speculation. He goes on,
Speaker 4: say they've made they might have even been placing artifacts
Speaker 4: in graves with the bodies, but no examples have been
Speaker 4: found to that. But you know, what that does show
Speaker 4: is that I mean, I think it's a pretty safe
Speaker 4: bet at this point to say that sasquatch brains proportional
Speaker 4: to their bodies are are barely larger than chimpanzees. Okay,
Speaker 4: they're big animals, and therefore they have big brains. But
Speaker 4: you know, whales have real big brains too, and of
Speaker 4: course whales are real, real smart. But the larger the animal,
Speaker 4: the larger the brain is going to be. But that
Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily equate with higher level thinking or symbolic thought,
Speaker 4: or intelligence or problem solving or any of those things,
Speaker 4: because there's a certain certain amount of mass in the
Speaker 4: brain that is required to run a larger body. It's
Speaker 4: just a fact. And by looking at the Patterson Gimlin
Speaker 4: film subject and comparing it to like other skulls, like
Speaker 4: there's doctor Meltrim is a great presentation where he lines
Speaker 4: up the skull of paranthropist boise I and shows that
Speaker 4: it is exactly exactly proportional to the Patterson Giblin film
Speaker 4: subject face like the mouth, the chin, the nose, the
Speaker 4: zygomatic arches, everything about it, the orbital's eye sockets, everything
Speaker 4: lines up exactly. And I find that to be pretty
Speaker 4: pretty interesting. And also but you can see that that
Speaker 4: wonderful composite photograph. Where the sasquatch in the in the
Speaker 4: PG film is turning its head, you can see huge
Speaker 4: psygomatic arches, a very very flat face, very very congruent
Speaker 4: to the the paranthropists, which I really like that idea
Speaker 4: about it. Clearly the thing doesn't have a huge brain
Speaker 4: in there. It does not have a huge brain because
Speaker 4: most of the heads seems to be taken up by
Speaker 4: chewing structures. That's what zygomatic arches are, That's what sagital
Speaker 4: crests are. They are anchoring points for muscles. So that
Speaker 4: that gives us a little insight into what sasquatches are
Speaker 4: doing out there. They're chewing on big, heavy things. They're
Speaker 4: they're they're eating things that are pretty tough to chew.
Speaker 4: In other words, probably bark and in the Cambian layer
Speaker 4: of trees and you know, all sorts of things that
Speaker 4: are just kind of hard to get your teeth into.
Speaker 4: You can see that in the PG film. And so
Speaker 4: there's not a lot of room left in the cranium
Speaker 4: for the brain. And also the way that the face is,
Speaker 4: as I mentioned, very very flat, and then the forehead retreats. Really,
Speaker 4: I think Grover Krantz noted that it retreats an almost
Speaker 4: ninety degree angle above the brow ridges. There's not a
Speaker 4: lot of room in there for the frontal part of
Speaker 4: the brain that makes us so human in so many ways.
Speaker 4: But that doesn't necessarily mean that they don't have symbolic thought,
Speaker 4: or that they aren't strategic thinkers, or that they don't
Speaker 4: see their environment in a three dimensional actually four dimensional
Speaker 4: way like planning ahead for example, like these other animals
Speaker 4: like chimpanzees and stuff too. I think that it gives
Speaker 4: us some indication, but it isn't an end all be
Speaker 4: all to the thinking capabilities of sasquatches.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like an engine compartment, Dude. You
Speaker 2: can look at a Super the way they put their
Speaker 2: engine in, or a Porsche or a Chevy. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's given you powers, it's getting the job done. But
Speaker 2: the layouts different, the physical layouts. So maybe they got
Speaker 2: something like.
Speaker 5: That, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, And I think that's the big takeaway from
Speaker 4: this particular article about home and Aliti, is that small brained. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's an indicator, but it's not the end all be
Speaker 4: all it doesn't tell us everything we need to know
Speaker 4: about him. And again, I think, as you mentioned, it
Speaker 4: kind of goes towards underestimating what the other critters are
Speaker 4: doing than creators. I mean, any other primate, you know,
Speaker 4: it underestimates what might be going on inside their brain,
Speaker 4: and perhaps maybe a little less underestimating them and perhaps
Speaker 4: overestimating ourselves. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Speaker 4: Cliff and Bogo. Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: But you know, one final comment on this home and
Speaker 4: a laity thing. Lee Berger, of course is the anthropologist,
Speaker 4: a paleoanthropologist in charge of this whole dig, and hats
Speaker 4: off to him, hard hats off to him really because
Speaker 4: he's a splunker. Now he had to lose a lot
Speaker 4: of weight to get into this cave. Yeah, how's that, man?
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that for dedication. I mean, you've done that,
Speaker 4: you know how this it's not not easy to do bobs.
Speaker 2: And he's still and he's still I mean he still
Speaker 2: got hurt trying to He forced himself through so so
Speaker 2: determined torres rot in her cuff and dislocated his shoulder.
Speaker 4: I couldn't even imagine doing that dude, I can know
Speaker 4: how stressful would that be? Just like I get a
Speaker 4: little claustrophobic nowadays, you know. Yeah, as I grow older,
Speaker 4: certain fears pop up in me that didn't exist before.
Speaker 4: You know, claustrophobia is one of them.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: I look back at finding bigfoot, climbing all these trees
Speaker 4: and stuff that you guys had me do. I don't
Speaker 4: think I could do that now. Man, this fear of
Speaker 4: heights things kind of taken over too. Damn.
Speaker 5: I'm a little more cautious.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, Well I've said it before, is that I
Speaker 4: don't know if I can ever forgive Melissa for giving
Speaker 4: me a reason to live. Yeah, before I didn't give
Speaker 4: a damn.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, I'll do that whatever. It's a cool
Speaker 4: way to die if I have to go. You know,
Speaker 4: it's better than you know, dying in a hospital with
Speaker 4: tubes up all my orifices if that's the word. I'm
Speaker 4: not sure what plural of orifice is. But anyway, but
Speaker 4: but nowadays, like gosh darn it, there's a reason for
Speaker 4: me to go home.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's a good reason.
Speaker 4: And sochi, yeah, and sochi and sochi. But you know,
Speaker 4: I'm honestly, Melissa has taken the number one slot there.
Speaker 4: So getting married though, you know, it's one of the
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm already married, of course, hobbies you are. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I gonna do it again. Can't get married too much? Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 4: but Mellis and I are married. But yeah, that reminds me, Bobo,
Speaker 4: didn't you almost get married once? It's some Tahitian woman.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, we were down in Tahiti.
Speaker 4: Yeah so you got you did almostly. I've heard stories
Speaker 4: of this, but I'd like to hear it straight from
Speaker 4: your mouth, and I think this is a good opportunity
Speaker 4: for a Bobo story. Time wall agather around.
Speaker 5: It's Bobo story, dude. He's going to see some things
Speaker 5: that'll bo.
Speaker 2: Classic.
Speaker 3: Any scene he's flying, He's gone a kid kill me
Speaker 3: once again, it's Bobo story. Any description of felonious or
Speaker 3: criminal activity is being told here strictly for entertainment purposes,
Speaker 3: and is in no way an admission of guilt or
Speaker 3: even true for that matter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I almost did get married and inadvertently down Tahiti.
Speaker 2: We were down there in eighty six for the World
Speaker 2: Championships at Outrigger Canoes like Polynesian canoes like Hawaii five
Speaker 2: o and uh they're like six mankates six man canoes
Speaker 2: and we had one man's and twelve man's like double
Speaker 2: old canoes. So we were down there racing. It was
Speaker 2: it was rad and uh, we were staying. They had
Speaker 2: a standing in a village. We were just staying in
Speaker 2: empty school because it's so expensive down there. We just
Speaker 2: like were just laying on like little pads and just
Speaker 2: you know, just had a sheet because it's so warm
Speaker 2: and you just it.
Speaker 5: Was it was chilling. But we lived with the villagers.
Speaker 2: We weren't near any of the tourist areas, and uh,
Speaker 2: every day we'd go down like we were like celebrities there.
Speaker 2: Our canoes in Tahiti's like it's like football, basketball, and
Speaker 2: baseball bix together. Here. It's like ninety plus percent of
Speaker 2: the population active the participating member of a canue club.
Speaker 2: Like the old people like you know, help it's a
Speaker 2: big deal. It's like their whole culture is how they lived.
Speaker 2: It was life or death if you had a canoe
Speaker 2: or not. You know, to fish and go to island,
Speaker 2: the island and all that. So we're down there and
Speaker 2: I'd go to this one, I'd help. I'd help the
Speaker 2: women pull in the nets. Every day they'd set up
Speaker 2: these saying nets, you know, they'd swim them out and
Speaker 2: then swim around it. We'd all pull them up on
Speaker 2: the beach and they they talk to me, and I
Speaker 2: just laugh and smile, and I didn't know what the
Speaker 2: hell they were saying, and they didn't know what I
Speaker 2: was saying, but we just point and laugh and make,
Speaker 2: you know, hand gestures or whatever.
Speaker 5: And they'd always like, they'd always like, bring this one
Speaker 5: little chevy girl.
Speaker 2: She was like five foot tall and just a little butterball,
Speaker 2: big smile, like super friendly. So every day I was
Speaker 2: down there, you know, for like a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: and be like, you know, I'd be talking to them
Speaker 2: and they'd bring you know, they always push a little
Speaker 2: girl up front.
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, good morning, how are you?
Speaker 2: And I knew how to say that kind of stuff
Speaker 2: by that point. And then they'd say things to me
Speaker 2: and ask me questions and I'd go yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well I didn't find out till later because we were
Speaker 2: getting ready when we were going to go over to Maria,
Speaker 2: the other island off Tahiti, and the chief of the
Speaker 2: village pulled my passport, wouldn't give it back because apparently
Speaker 2: I had agreed, because then we brought it in a translator.
Speaker 5: It was actually Marlon Branda's son. Really, yeah, he was
Speaker 5: our translator, and he came.
Speaker 2: He came over and he was just like he just
Speaker 2: starts laughing and laughing and pointing at me and the
Speaker 2: points at the girl and he goes, you're engaged. He's like,
Speaker 2: you've been telling them all the last couple of weeks
Speaker 2: you're going to marry her. I'm like, why No, I
Speaker 2: was just been saying good morning and stuff like. He's like, no, dude,
Speaker 2: they've been they said, they've gone over the plans with
Speaker 2: you multiple times, and you keep agreeing.
Speaker 5: I was like, no way. Then the old ladies talking
Speaker 5: to the mom and it was the mom and the
Speaker 5: grandma and the little girl. Well that's who was there.
Speaker 5: Every day.
Speaker 2: Those three would come up to me, usually the mom
Speaker 2: and grandma first, and they'd call a little girl.
Speaker 5: Over and yeah. I was just like I wasn't thinking
Speaker 5: anything like that. And then I was like what, no, No,
Speaker 5: I was just trying to be polite, and he goes, well,
Speaker 5: you agreed, like the chiefs holding you to it. You're
Speaker 5: not leaving. They're not going to let you leave. And
Speaker 5: I was like whoa dude, Like this is not good.
Speaker 2: Some of the men came over and her, like grandpa
Speaker 2: and dad and nouveles. They came over and like I
Speaker 2: was real popular in the in the village, like they
Speaker 2: all loved me. But they were all like going, like
Speaker 2: you you're not leaving. And then they came up and
Speaker 2: the grandpa and the dad and some munveles that are
Speaker 2: like going, uh, well you like to surf, you know,
Speaker 2: because you know they know I served, and so I
Speaker 2: was like yeah. So they said, well, we're gonna you
Speaker 2: get five acres because the natives can just go and
Speaker 2: take empty if there's somewhere there's nothing built, they can
Speaker 2: go and claim five acres and build a house on
Speaker 2: it and it's there, or build a shock whatever.
Speaker 4: I like a different homesteading ap sort of thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: And so there's a spot Hypedia it is this left
Speaker 2: reef break that is like a world class surf spots,
Speaker 2: one of the famous sport. I mean, everyone knows about Chopu,
Speaker 2: but there's another spot on the other island that's real
Speaker 2: popular too, and they're like, you can have five acres
Speaker 2: of beach front. And they hooked me up with this
Speaker 2: half French, half Tahitian guy that had a electric he
Speaker 2: was an electrician, he had one of the only electrician
Speaker 2: businesses in TI the Islands, and he's all, yeah, he's
Speaker 2: gonna he agreed to hire you. And I started thinking
Speaker 2: like maybe I could get married, you know, and serve.
Speaker 2: And I was like, it was like having five acres
Speaker 2: of a tropical surf spot would would have been pretty epic.
Speaker 2: But so then they said, yeah, well you go over
Speaker 2: to Hippati and you can check it out. They wanted
Speaker 2: me to go over there with the family, a couple
Speaker 2: of family members, and I was like, man, this is
Speaker 2: not happening. So we got done with the racings. The
Speaker 2: racing season was over, and so the World Championships was done,
Speaker 2: and we had we still had like a I don't know,
Speaker 2: like a week to go or something. So we're just like, oh,
Speaker 2: let's let's go out to Maray, you know, and take
Speaker 2: the ferry over there, and and everyone else flew over there,
Speaker 2: but then I wasn't allowed to leave. I didn't have
Speaker 2: my passport, so I ended up talking to some guys
Speaker 2: got a chipped on the on the freighter that brings
Speaker 2: supplies because we were dialing with the locals like we
Speaker 2: were like, dude, we were like rock stars down the
Speaker 2: under them. So we ended up going there that we
Speaker 2: sneaking the club med. Like the the guys like all security,
Speaker 2: local guys like knew who we were. They let us
Speaker 2: sneaking a club ed and like you didn't need any
Speaker 2: might even just eat and drink, and so we're just
Speaker 2: parting it up. So we were just trying to find
Speaker 2: like single girls that we could look up with so
Speaker 2: we'd have a place to stay. And so I ended
Speaker 2: up meeting these girls from Missouri. Their their family owned
Speaker 2: the biggest bank in private bank in Missouri or whatever
Speaker 2: the like the three states around there or whatever, and
Speaker 2: so they had tons of money and they had like
Speaker 2: the big suites, and so that ended up being there's
Speaker 2: two sisters that me and my buddy.
Speaker 5: Crash over there. And then they gave us like a.
Speaker 2: Bunch of their points like drink ticket stuff like whatever,
Speaker 2: like you get these shells or beads whatever, these beads,
Speaker 2: and so we were we were just like partying down
Speaker 2: and then they had an arm wrestling and beer drinking
Speaker 2: contests had like slamm beer then do an arm wrestle.
Speaker 4: And well that is Bobo written all over it right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were just u in there and and uh
Speaker 2: being another guy Kevin accidentally like injured the guys that
Speaker 2: we were we were going against. And uh, this one dude,
Speaker 2: he was he was totally buff and he was like
Speaker 2: he was an Asian guy.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 5: He was Filipino. I remember his mom was Filipino's. Dave
Speaker 5: was English.
Speaker 2: He was real tall, but he had like real thin
Speaker 2: bone structure like, and he was so buff. He built
Speaker 2: up way too much muscless. What the doctor said later
Speaker 2: was he built up way too much muscle for his
Speaker 2: skeletal frame.
Speaker 5: He was just ripped. He was. He was. He was
Speaker 5: a paddler with us, and so like they said go, he.
Speaker 2: Went full bore and there was two teams racing and
Speaker 2: his arm, dude, like it sounded like a gunshot went off.
Speaker 5: I just froze.
Speaker 2: It's it's just it was just crap. It'sund like a
Speaker 2: thirty odd to six. And his face he was dark.
Speaker 2: He was real dark skinned, like you know, he was
Speaker 2: real tan, dark skin, and he literally was the first
Speaker 2: time I seen someone turned white like that, like just
Speaker 2: turned like all of like just like in the second
Speaker 2: his face turned white. He lets out this horrific scream
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, his arm like let go
Speaker 2: his arm it what had happened was the bone, so
Speaker 2: the humors was snapped in half and well it snapped
Speaker 2: clean through in two different spots, and then his muscles
Speaker 2: just flung his arm up like behind his twisted it
Speaker 2: behind his back of his hand slapped him in the
Speaker 2: back of it his the back of his hand slapped
Speaker 2: in the back of his head.
Speaker 5: Ah, and then he just fainted and dropped.
Speaker 2: But the other guy that got hurt wasn't with us,
Speaker 2: like he wasn't one of us, and his elbow snapped
Speaker 2: where you get Tommy John surgery that uh, you snapped
Speaker 2: your the elbow ten and ligament.
Speaker 5: That guy's arm snap too.
Speaker 2: And then so then they were like, oh, so they
Speaker 2: grabbed me the other guy that we're armed wrestling, and
Speaker 2: they brought us into the offices to fill out paperwork
Speaker 2: for the insurance like.
Speaker 5: Okay, who are you guys? What room are you in? It?
Speaker 2: We were like giving fake answers like what and then
Speaker 2: they started realizing we weren't from there, and they called
Speaker 2: They had some French guys like security working inside, like
Speaker 2: there were the Tahitian guys that there was. There was
Speaker 2: a few French. The French owned Club Bend. So it's
Speaker 2: like guys from France that spoke French. They were or
Speaker 2: they all speak French there. But so they were like
Speaker 2: they put us under arrest and put us in this
Speaker 2: room and then they locked it.
Speaker 5: All up, and it was like a really nice dream.
Speaker 5: It was like a Plantations like plantation.
Speaker 2: Style, and it was just this beautiful, like well decorated room,
Speaker 2: like nice hardwood, like teaque furniture and wow.
Speaker 4: So even even the jail at Club med is nice.
Speaker 5: It was it was the it was this.
Speaker 2: It was the manager's office whoever was like the head
Speaker 2: person of the whole place's office, and they brought us
Speaker 2: in there because we were filling out they want us to.
Speaker 2: It was like at midnight or one in the morning,
Speaker 2: so they locked us in and part of the lock
Speaker 2: in thing was like they had those storm shutter windows
Speaker 2: you don't sell, like those hurricane shutters or storm shutters, yeah, fuller,
Speaker 2: So like they just had like a little lock on them.
Speaker 2: So we just went up and broke it down and
Speaker 2: jumped out the windows and so we escaped. We were
Speaker 2: like wanted we were like they were looking for us.
Speaker 2: So the locals helped us get off.
Speaker 5: The island, just took the barge back. That took a
Speaker 5: little little mission, and.
Speaker 2: So then I had to go back, and then I
Speaker 2: was trying to get my passport to get out of there.
Speaker 5: So we went back and then we ended up.
Speaker 2: I can't remember exactly how I got my I got
Speaker 2: my passport back. Oh yeah, I agreed to marry her,
Speaker 2: but I was going to go home and get more
Speaker 2: money and bring my parents back and flat back. So
Speaker 2: I left, like I couldn't go back, but I could
Speaker 2: go back. Now it's been like thirty years whatever, but
Speaker 2: almost forty Jesus thirty seven years. So anyways, yeah, I
Speaker 2: agreed to all this stuff, and they were like they
Speaker 2: had a party for me before I left, you know,
Speaker 2: like coicked up a pig and all this, and so
Speaker 2: I was he said, yeah, I will be back. I
Speaker 2: can't wait to be part of the family. My parents
Speaker 2: are gonna love all of you. And I'm going to
Speaker 2: go back and get go to the bank and get
Speaker 2: more money and come back. And so I left and
Speaker 2: then I actually had some mail correspondsible like they had
Speaker 2: like someone right for him, like translate it.
Speaker 5: It's like where are you? You know you promised us
Speaker 5: and you know, guilt tripped me.
Speaker 2: And then they were like sent me that kind of
Speaker 2: threatening letters and if I ever come back, they're gonna
Speaker 2: take care.
Speaker 5: Of me in a not a good way.
Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 4: We'll be right back. After these messages. Ended up not
Speaker 4: marrying this woman. I wonder where she is now. Was
Speaker 4: he kept in touch?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Then so when I got I finally got my passport
Speaker 2: and I barely made it for our flight because we
Speaker 2: had a chartered plane.
Speaker 5: Well, because we didn't drink dude from January first until
Speaker 5: the Championships at the end of July, like we weren't
Speaker 5: we couldn't have one beer the whole time. So we
Speaker 5: we did do the whole Nationals, like the whole team,
Speaker 5: the US guys, we none of us drank a beer
Speaker 5: the whole time. So when we got done with the racing,
Speaker 5: we just started partying like hard.
Speaker 2: So on the way back we had a chartered seven
Speaker 2: forty seven, and I was I was getting pretty Me
Speaker 2: and another guy went up and stole the well that
Speaker 2: we charted the back half of the plane. The front
Speaker 2: half was like normal people, like regular people, and like
Speaker 2: the first class. I went to the first class tod
Speaker 2: and just grabbed the liquor cart and just ran back
Speaker 2: of it, rolled it back, running back into the into
Speaker 2: the coach where we were just started. I just started
Speaker 2: throwing handfuls of mini bottles to everybody and throwing out beers,
Speaker 2: and you know, it caused a full scene. And then
Speaker 2: then I started a dog pile, jumping on this one guy,
Speaker 2: like dog pile and like I ended up breaking three seats.
Speaker 5: In a row.
Speaker 4: Probably couldn't get away with that nowadays, no, dude.
Speaker 2: Then they ended up they ended up taking me and
Speaker 2: they were gonna they were gonna divert the plane in
Speaker 2: Hawaiian and Hawaiian have me, and like about five or
Speaker 2: six other guys arrested, and uh yeah, we were we
Speaker 2: were housed, man, We were just three sheets to the wind.
Speaker 2: And then so they ended up putting those jump seats
Speaker 2: that the stewardess sit in looking backwards. They strapped me
Speaker 2: into one of those and put on some little cheesy
Speaker 2: hand like cinch ti thing, and I had to sit
Speaker 2: and if I got out out of my seat, I
Speaker 2: was there going to divert the planet and have me
Speaker 2: arrested in Hawaii. So I had to sit there and
Speaker 2: like everyone's throwing stuff at me the whole time and
Speaker 2: heckling me, and he deserved it.
Speaker 4: Oh, I totally did remind me to go in front
Speaker 4: of you in line if we ever go through customs
Speaker 4: together again.
Speaker 2: Did you remember coming out of China, Bunny Maker, that
Speaker 2: was he throws his carry on case up there and
Speaker 2: it's just filled like that vision thermal imagers.
Speaker 4: Oh, that was in Dubai. Man, it was both.
Speaker 5: It was China. It was China and Dubai.
Speaker 4: I just remember like in Dubai where they pulled them over,
Speaker 4: so to speak, and we're upset about all the technology
Speaker 4: he had and and then you thought it was a
Speaker 4: good idea to snap a picture and the flash went off. Yeah,
Speaker 4: oh man, that was that was kind of scary.
Speaker 2: Man, they got they got chapped. The China part was
Speaker 2: that took way longer. That was like a thirty five
Speaker 2: forty minute hit. Bunny Maker through that one and kept
Speaker 2: going like.
Speaker 5: A television star, and international television started.
Speaker 2: Like what he's like, I looked for yah En big
Speaker 2: Foot YETI and they're like because they didn't really speak English.
Speaker 2: Those guys they're like soldiers or whatever like and I explain,
Speaker 2: like I'm just watching them trying to explain, like you
Speaker 2: know it, it's all frustrated people think he talks like
Speaker 2: that was just one of the funniest things.
Speaker 4: We had trouble getting the batteries out, the lithium batteries
Speaker 4: for the cameras, so Adam Vosky almost had to stay
Speaker 4: in China with those because they're so expensive and that
Speaker 4: that we had our time getting them out, even though
Speaker 4: we got them in, but that was a complication. And
Speaker 4: then of course you and I thought it was a
Speaker 4: good we were flying first class and I wasn't used
Speaker 4: to first class. I'm still not, but we've got to
Speaker 4: fly first class over there, which was cool. But part
Speaker 4: of the deal with first class is at these lounges
Speaker 4: you can go into and there's free food, and there's
Speaker 4: free drinks, and there's places that you can shower. I mean,
Speaker 4: there's private, there's there's it's weird, you know, it's how
Speaker 4: the other half lives. But you and I went in
Speaker 4: the lounge and we're thinking, oh, our poor producer friends
Speaker 4: have to plot fly coach for all the way back.
Speaker 4: So we just thought we thought it was a good
Speaker 4: idea to put a bunch of free beer in our
Speaker 4: backpacks and we're going to distribute them amongst the production
Speaker 4: so they didn't have to pay for a couple of
Speaker 4: beers on the way back since we got all this
Speaker 4: free beer. And then you and I had backpacks just
Speaker 4: full of beer cans. And of course they decided to
Speaker 4: search us on the on the way back in the plane,
Speaker 4: and they they were just bummed and disappointed. I mean,
Speaker 4: the I don't know what the Chinese equivalent of TSA is,
Speaker 4: but they looked at us in a very disapproving manner.
Speaker 4: I know in my backpack I had thirteen beers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that was what the same.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that they weren't very happy with us leaving China.
Speaker 4: They're probably happy that we're leaving, but it was a
Speaker 4: little sketchy man because they could pull you over and
Speaker 4: keep you for practically nothing there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was they let you know, like like discovery.
Speaker 2: They lady to me like five times before, like the
Speaker 2: week before we left, Like I got calls from like
Speaker 2: Keith and Margie and whoever else, like the leg like
Speaker 2: uh Marylands, like Lelald Department, going like Bubbo, you have
Speaker 2: to keep it. Like they are so worried at getting
Speaker 2: like doing something like get thrown in jail down there.
Speaker 2: They's warning like we don't have the pull down it
Speaker 2: like we do other places. You are on your own
Speaker 2: if you get busted or something we can't get. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we got what we got there. You you could
Speaker 2: tell that was the case. That was the case once
Speaker 2: we got there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we always had those people with us and stuff
Speaker 4: that are clearly like FEDS, you know, like Chinese federal
Speaker 4: agents of some sort, keeping an eye on what we're
Speaker 4: doing and all that sort of stuff. It's kind of weird,
Speaker 4: such levels of paranoia for such a harmless thing like
Speaker 4: a big Foot TV show.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: Well, Bob, that's quite a story. I'm a little sad
Speaker 4: that you didn't get married. You narrowly escaped that one.
Speaker 4: But how would your life be different? Man, You'd be
Speaker 4: living in some beachfront, probably with a woman you'd fall
Speaker 4: in love with over the years, surfing a lot fifteen
Speaker 4: kids dying of skin cancer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I almost died down in Tahaiti on our races.
Speaker 5: Just one race.
Speaker 2: One of the races we did was you start off
Speaker 2: at Papietti, the big harbor on Tahiti, the main island,
Speaker 2: and then you cross the channel. It's like, I think
Speaker 2: it was like seventeen miles or fifteen miles or something,
Speaker 2: and you'd cross the channel to Morea circle the whole
Speaker 2: island of Morea, and then back across the channel. I
Speaker 2: think it was like sixty something miles and we were
Speaker 2: about halfway into it. And it's called the nine Manners.
Speaker 2: It's sixpence to the boat at once. And then you
Speaker 2: have an escort boat, so they go in front of
Speaker 2: you the escort boat, and then three guys will jump
Speaker 2: in the water and they space themselves up in a row,
Speaker 2: line up straight, and then you pull up the canoe.
Speaker 2: As you pull up next to them, you drop your
Speaker 2: paddle in the canoe and you roll out the other
Speaker 2: side so they can climb in. They can climb a board.
Speaker 2: We had spray skirts like a like like like a kayaks.
Speaker 2: They put that like fabric over the openings. Then Sinsons
Speaker 2: rounder your waist.
Speaker 5: There's no water getting in the kayak.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, we had those.
Speaker 5: In the canoe.
Speaker 2: So there's like six six openings with like a draw
Speaker 2: stream with an elastic cord. And we were on the
Speaker 2: we were yeah, I think we were at Captain Cook
Speaker 2: Bay actually off Morea and it's real tricky. We were
Speaker 2: trying to kind of inside the course and we ended
Speaker 2: up hitting the reef and splitting a big hole in
Speaker 2: the canoe bottom and we started sinking, and my coach said,
Speaker 2: I said, I felt I felt good, so I wasn't
Speaker 2: getting out. I was like, I'm staying in Like I
Speaker 2: could pile it for a long time.
Speaker 5: I could. I could, you know, do thirty miles or
Speaker 5: or whatever. No problem.
Speaker 2: So I was like, I'm just gonna tie myself into
Speaker 2: the get this skate spray skirt on tight. So there's
Speaker 2: not water because we were having tons of it was rough.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of water coming over the boat. So
Speaker 2: I sensed it up really, I sensed it up tight.
Speaker 2: And I was strapped into the boat and I couldn't
Speaker 2: get out, and then we hit that reef and then
Speaker 2: we just started sinking fast. We were people trying to
Speaker 2: bail and like within real fast, I mean like ten seconds,
Speaker 2: we were underwater and we landed on the reef and
Speaker 2: my head was about two feet blow of the surface
Speaker 2: three feet of the surface of the most like my
Speaker 2: hand I could type my finger, test could break the water.
Speaker 2: But I was tied in with these knots like and
Speaker 2: I nodded that spray skirt around me. I couldn't get out.
Speaker 2: I was tied in, and I didn't get that good
Speaker 2: of a breath before I went under. I started sitting
Speaker 2: locked in the locked in the boat, like just sitting
Speaker 2: there looking down. There's all these black tip restarts all
Speaker 2: over us, like all around us, like hundreds of them,
Speaker 2: but they're not that bad. But I just remember like
Speaker 2: fumbling and fumbling, couldn't get it, couldn't get it. I
Speaker 2: achieved my figuring out, I didn't have figured out for
Speaker 2: untying the thing. I smeber like just calmly that going.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna die if I'm gonna start swallowing water right
Speaker 2: now if I don't just calm down and do this properly.
Speaker 2: So I slowed down and just untied it and got
Speaker 2: to the surface just just as I was starting to
Speaker 2: swallow water like breathe water. So it's kind of kind
Speaker 2: of sketchy, as like they they were trying to get
Speaker 2: a knife off the escort boat. The escort boat couldn't
Speaker 2: get close to us though because of the the reefs.
Speaker 2: So it's like like there's nothing anyone could do.
Speaker 4: Sounds like you shouldn't go to Tahiti anymore.
Speaker 5: Haven't been back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can see why, man, I'd be back in the.
Speaker 2: Place was awesome, so beautiful. It's like if you go
Speaker 2: like the best like tropical fish tech you've ever seen.
Speaker 2: There's millions of those fish and they're giant. They're like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, you've ever seen in captivity, Like they're everywhere.
Speaker 4: It is so awesome, sounds like a wonderful place. End
Speaker 4: up almost dying and getting married and all sorts of
Speaker 4: other things. Accidentally getting married. Yeah, nothing wrong with getting married,
Speaker 4: of course, but accidentally I don't know.
Speaker 5: Man, agreeing to get married, not knowing you're agreeing.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, Bubbo, we've already gone over time. We've
Speaker 4: barely touched any of the topics unfortunately, but we do
Speaker 4: have a members episode we're going to record right now
Speaker 4: for you know, just of our just our members, and
Speaker 4: of course, if if you're interested in becoming a member
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Speaker 4: extra forty five minutes or an hour of Cliff and
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Speaker 4: enough of us. I don't know, a lot of people
Speaker 4: seem to enjoy it. I get a lot of good feedback.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess people really liked my last Boo storytime
Speaker 2: on the Patreon page of the Flying Incident.
Speaker 5: I guess people love that one. Well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's certain Bobo story times that are
Speaker 4: suitable for the regular episode, and certain other Bobo story
Speaker 4: times that are only suitable for our members who definitely,
Speaker 4: definitely definitely want to be there. And so yeah, I've
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Speaker 4: And that's what Bob and I are gonna go do
Speaker 4: right now. So Bobus, why don't you sign us off
Speaker 4: and we'll jump onto the members episode.
Speaker 2: All right, folks, thanks for jinas again. Sorry to get
Speaker 2: too much Bigfoot related stuff going this one, but next
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