WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.359 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys 2 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:13.919 are your favorites, so like say subscribe and raid it Live. 3 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:16.199 Stock and. 4 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:25.559 Greatest on Yesterday and listening watching Limb always keep it squatchy. 5 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.600 And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay. 6 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:34.119 Clifford Bobo Erd, how are you doing? 7 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:40.359 Uh just uh enjoying the day? 8 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:41.560 Nice? 9 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:44.439 Well cool? We should get to the squatchy part. 10 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:47.560 Yeah, yeah, this is of course our our This isn't 11 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:51.000 a Q and A. This is our semi occasional topical episodes, 12 00:00:52.520 --> 00:00:54.600 a nice topical thing you want to rub all over 13 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:58.280 your arms and shoulders, where we take on topics and 14 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:01.000 things that we find interesting. Because what we how we 15 00:01:01.039 --> 00:01:03.200 do this is, you know, like Bobo and I were 16 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:05.200 avid readers, were check out the news all the time, 17 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:07.760 and whenever something crosses our desk that we think is 18 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:11.879 interesting and the least slightly pertinent to our favorite subject 19 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:14.920 in the world sasquatch, we send it to Matt Prud, 20 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:17.879 our producer, the levely and talented Matt Prude, of course, 21 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:19.519 who has a new book out everybody should good buy. 22 00:01:20.319 --> 00:01:22.560 And then he puts all these things together and we 23 00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:24.280 just kind of pick and choose. Hey, here's a news 24 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:26.359 article that we enjoyed and we think is interesting. We 25 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:30.200 discussed it for a while, so it's our topical episode. 26 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:33.519 Welcome to our topical episode. So, Bobo, do you want 27 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:35.159 to start? Does our a particular news I didn caught 28 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:36.959 your attention or do you want me to go first? 29 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:39.560 Well, I think I brought it up before. 30 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:42.079 I think we I brought it up, but I didn't 31 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:44.599 have The article in front of you was polar bear 32 00:01:44.599 --> 00:01:47.760 are throwing rocks and chunks of eyes to hunt walruses 33 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:52.040 and seals. And I remember hearing that and I was like, oh, 34 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:54.439 how to be a sasquatch? And they just mistook it 35 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:56.719 for a squat for. 36 00:01:56.719 --> 00:01:58.079 A bear, polar bear or whatever. 37 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:01.719 And then I also guys telling me both these were 38 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:05.000 around here up in Humble area. One guy telling me 39 00:02:05.920 --> 00:02:09.759 a bear, a black bear threw a stump at him, 40 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:12.240 like a chunk of a stump at him, like picked 41 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:14.960 up to his legs and his front reared up on 42 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:17.479 his back legs and picked up his front legs and 43 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:20.599 like checked it at him. And he said it went 44 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:23.000 like twelve to fifteen feet in the air. Like not 45 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:26.520 like just you know laterally like it didn't almost hit 46 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:28.319 him or nothing. And then I knew another guy that 47 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:33.199 said a bear picked up a big rock and like 48 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:34.240 threw in his direction. 49 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:37.639 Yeah, yeah, and you know, well, just straight to the 50 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:41.280 source here. It's from Smithsonian magazine and the title of 51 00:02:41.319 --> 00:02:44.280 the articles polar bears take down walruses by hurling rocks 52 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:48.800 and ice. New research corroborates Inuit knowledge of the animals 53 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:52.319 cleverly using new tools, and certainly, if polar bears are 54 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:54.719 doing this, other species of bears are very very very 55 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:57.960 likely doing this as well. And some of the interesting 56 00:02:58.159 --> 00:03:01.240 takeaways for me, at least from this article is that, 57 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:04.479 first of all, the native people in the area knew 58 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:07.479 they did it. Duh, yeah, duh. Exactly. If you want 59 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:08.919 to know what's going on in the woods, ask a 60 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:12.639 native person. They have tens of thousands of years of 61 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:14.240 history in that particular area. 62 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:17.400 I spent three months there with my grad student. You know, 63 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:18.319 I'll tell you. 64 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:23.240 What's exactly exactly three months versus ten twenty thirty thousand years. 65 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:25.879 Come on, yeah, yeah, of course. And of course it 66 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:29.080 was documented. It was documented in eighteen sixty five. Some 67 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:32.800 dude Charles Francis Hall was his name. An Arctic explore, 68 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:36.400 he published an Inuit account. So he published a Native 69 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:40.919 account of a polar bear attacking walruses, and he wrote 70 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:43.400 about it, and he published it and talking about how 71 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.840 he hurled the polar bear hurled a large rock down 72 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:51.039 upon the walrus and basically crushing his skull. So, and 73 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:53.199 of course Native people knew about this, they had seen 74 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:55.719 these things before. So I think there's a couple of 75 00:03:55.800 --> 00:04:00.520 lessons here. Number one, Yeah, native knowledge. Listen, listen, listen 76 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:03.560 to it. It's important they generally know what's up, you know. 77 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:07.240 And on top of that, I've heard so many big footers, 78 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:10.280 and I believe I've even said it too, that sasquatches 79 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:12.719 are the only thing out there throwing rocks. And clearly 80 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:15.879 I'm wrong, and everybody else who said that are also wrong. 81 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:19.560 Well, it depends that define well, I mean not defined, 82 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:22.879 but it depends. I mean, they're not throwing them forty 83 00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:25.639 yards or forty feet. I mean they're throwing them kind 84 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:27.959 of down, you know, kind of they need they need 85 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:30.519 the vertical height to get you know, any distance. 86 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:32.439 It seems like, I mean, when. 87 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:34.079 Squashes are throwing rocks, I mean they're you know a 88 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:36.439 lot of times they're whizzing by stuff like that. Bears 89 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:38.680 not doing those kind of rock throwers, but like those 90 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:41.279 bigger rocks, mean they can kind of come rolling down it, 91 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:43.079 like you hear them crashing down a hill like they 92 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:45.160 got that that could definitely be a bear. 93 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:47.439 Yeah, it seems like most of the throwing going on 94 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:50.519 with these bears is kind of downwards, like toppling things 95 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:53.879 off the side of cliffs or whatever and then crushing 96 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:58.639 their prey down below. These you know, twenty thirty fifty 97 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:01.480 mile an hour fastballs coming in, going through the tree 98 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:04.279 tops and hitting stuff above you. I'm still inclined to 99 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:05.600 think that those are sasquatches. 100 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:08.079 Oh yeah, undoubtedly. Yeah. 101 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:11.079 So anyway, you have two big takeaways. Yeah, bears, they 102 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:14.319 turn out they throw rocks. Go figure. And by the way, 103 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:17.680 with accuracy. I thought that was another interesting thing. Here. 104 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:20.879 Let's see I want I'm kind of scrolling through the 105 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:23.000 article here. Let me find where it says this. 106 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:26.120 It says the bear bounts the cliff and throws down 107 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:29.199 upon the animal's head a large rock, calculating the distance 108 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:32.560 and the curve with astonishing accuracy, and this crushing the thick, 109 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:35.199 bulletproof skull all described. 110 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:38.120 In his astonishing accuracy. I love it, And of course, 111 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:40.519 you know, I don't know, Maybe I just have different 112 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:42.839 well I certainly have different opinions than a lot of 113 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:46.279 people or whatever. But the scientists, they said the most 114 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:48.560 significant part of this is that a bear is able 115 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:50.800 to look at a situation, think of it in a 116 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:53.160 three dimensional space, and then figure out what it might 117 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:56.399 have to do to be successful. Really is that the 118 00:05:56.439 --> 00:05:58.639 most like, I don't know, I think they're underestimating bears. 119 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:02.000 Oh dude, everything. 120 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:07.399 Yeah, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff 121 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:15.439 and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages. 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Restrictions apply. 169 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:27.759 See website for full details and important safety information. 170 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:31.519 Yeah, I mean scientists and a lot of people in general. 171 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:35.919 Under stuty animals is that chimpanzees combined calls to communicate 172 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:38.159 new meaning. I mean, that doesn't surprise me at all. 173 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:40.159 It's like, yeah, I mean, of course. 174 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:42.480 They do, yeah, of course, of course, And of course 175 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:45.840 this was published on fizz dot org. Like fizz as 176 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:48.039 in short for physics dot org. It is a great 177 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:52.360 science blog and they routinely publish a lot of articles 178 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:56.120 that I know that I'm interested in. And so yeah, again, 179 00:08:56.960 --> 00:08:59.720 scientists are underestimating these animals, and I see this all 180 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:03.200 just scientists, by the way, It's just people underestimating these 181 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:06.840 animals all the time. And that's why I get so perturbed. 182 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:09.799 My feathers get all a fluff when people say, well, 183 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:12.120 if you think these sasquatches are just big dumb apes, 184 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:14.639 well they're big, and I think they're apes, but they're 185 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:17.279 not dumb. And it kind of shows how little people 186 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:21.559 understand how fantastic and what high level of cognition these 187 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:26.360 other are are brethren these other ape species have. Yeah, 188 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:29.360 they communicate. Yeah, they're basically talking to each other to 189 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:32.440 some degree. And you know, birds talk to one another, 190 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:36.960 but an entire song will will express a meaning, you know, 191 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:39.759 and humans we have things that express meaning and we 192 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:42.360 can rearrange them. So are our language ability is a 193 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:44.720 little bit different than theirs because it's a little bit 194 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:48.799 more advanced. But to think that chimpanzees were not capable 195 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:51.879 of that, I think that's kind of ridiculous, you know. 196 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:55.200 I mean, chimpanzees are extraordinarily intelligent animals. They're not the 197 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:57.960 smartest of the apes generally speaking, for problem solving skills. 198 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:01.480 That's that trophy goes the orangutan from what I understand 199 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:05.039 from my reading. But chimpanzees are very, very intelligent, so 200 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:08.399 of course they wouldn't just express a mood or express 201 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:12.480 a thought. They would probably rearrange it to express higher level, 202 00:10:12.639 --> 00:10:15.919 more complex thinking that they are clearly capable of. 203 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:19.360 Right, Yeah, it was like, well, as you're talking about 204 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:22.440 not the most intelligence species, what was it? If you 205 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:26.200 give a gorilla a screwdriver, he'll forget what it was. 206 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:28.960 But if you give it chimpanzee a screwdriver, he'll he'll 207 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:30.639 figure out how to stab you with it. If you 208 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:32.240 give it to an orangutan, he'll figure out how to 209 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:33.039 escape with it. 210 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:35.080 Oh yeah, yeah, they don't even need a screw drivers. 211 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:36.799 I mean, their their hands are so strong they can 212 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:40.480 actually undo the bolts and whatever their in their enclosures. 213 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:43.679 They people and zoo keepers in general have a very 214 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:46.759 difficult time keeping orangutans in the cage. 215 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:49.799 Yeah, yeah, I've seen videos of that. God I wish 216 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:52.799 I could remember that saying. Our guests a couple weeks 217 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:55.320 ago told us that one about the screwdrivers. 218 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:57.639 Yeah, yeah, and gorillas. They just kind of like give 219 00:10:57.720 --> 00:10:59.679 up on it. They said, who cares man? So I 220 00:10:59.799 --> 00:11:01.320 kind of like that kind of like the grill attitude, 221 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:02.240 like who cares man? 222 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:03.080 Yeah? 223 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:05.679 Yeah, But you know, as far as getting back to 224 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:09.159 the article here about the combination of calls with chimpanzees, 225 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:12.360 how many times, Bobo, have you heard a combination of 226 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:15.279 noises being omitted by a purported sasquatch? 227 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:16.480 Yeah? Several? 228 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:19.360 Well, Well, describe tell us, tell them, tell us what 229 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:19.919 what you heard? 230 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:20.240 Please. 231 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:22.840 I can't describe the sounds, but I mean it was 232 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:25.879 like it was definitely put together a different guy. 233 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:27.279 I even know how to explain it. 234 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:29.799 Yeah, because I've only really heard them do one or 235 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:32.919 two noise like a rizon who like that kind of 236 00:11:32.919 --> 00:11:37.039 stuff and with the end going like that, like kind 237 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:39.679 of that warbly thing that is very often associated with 238 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:42.200 the vocalizations. But I can't think of any time I've 239 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:45.320 heard them do something like, uh, well, I have knocks 240 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:49.279 and whoops. I've heard those things together, whistles and whoops. No, no, 241 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:51.840 I'm sorry, whistles and knocks. I've heard that as well, 242 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:57.399 but I can't think of like them going or anything 243 00:11:57.440 --> 00:12:01.840 like that, like changing the actual but caluisation being exhibited. 244 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:05.240 Well, I guess one thing I noticed is at the 245 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:08.240 end of the Ohio House, like the drop off that 246 00:12:08.600 --> 00:12:09.960 weird warbly part at the end. 247 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:12.720 I've noticed that's gonna be different, for sure. 248 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:14.919 I wonder how length of the call, like when they 249 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:16.799 just go, like when they do those like twelve second 250 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:21.120 whoa versus like a five second or a four second one. 251 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:21.720 Right. 252 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:24.559 Yeah, I've heard a variety of that sort of thing, 253 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:29.039 but never never a combination of different sounds. Never in 254 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:32.000 that sort of way, you know, So it makes you wonder, well. 255 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:34.639 Samurai chatter, I mean that when I've heard that, that's 256 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:36.080 like a bunch of different sounds. 257 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:38.000 I mean, yeah, see, I've never heard that though I've 258 00:12:38.039 --> 00:12:41.200 only heard the recordings, and so far that's a sample 259 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:42.840 set of one. I want to I'd like to hear 260 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:46.399 it for myself or hear a slew of other recordings 261 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:48.399 so I can, you know, learn a little bit more 262 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:49.720 about what might be going on there. 263 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:53.200 Right, It's gonna be interesting to see this AI is 264 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:55.840 in these quantum computers and stuff get put to this stuff, 265 00:12:55.879 --> 00:12:57.639 like what they're going to figure out like with all 266 00:12:57.720 --> 00:13:00.840 the analyzation of all the calls, and there should be 267 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:01.879 some good breakthroughs. 268 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:02.320 Well. 269 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:06.759 Yeah, so this idea of combining meaningful vocalizations, you know, 270 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:09.720 if we do it, we clearly do it, and chimpanzees 271 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:12.240 do it, then our last common ancestors about six million 272 00:13:12.279 --> 00:13:14.000 years ago, give or take a little give or take 273 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:16.639 a few months, so they did it too, So everything 274 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:20.279 passed the everywhere in between here and there, they probably 275 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:22.279 did it as well. They probably did as well, which 276 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:24.600 of course means australopithes scenes and all of our course, 277 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:27.279 the other hominin's and all that sort of stuff. But 278 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:29.480 it makes me kind of wonder since I've never heard 279 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:31.559 sasquatches do it, it means it doesn't mean they don't 280 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:34.200 do it. Of course, some people think that these are 281 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:36.399 pretty much silent species, which I think is kind of 282 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:39.639 a ridiculous statement, knowing what we know about vocalizations at 283 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:43.440 this point. But yeah, I would think, yeah, it seems 284 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:45.679 to be ignoring a lot of the data, that's for sure, 285 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:49.240 But I don't know. I'd like to hear a vocalization 286 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:54.879 of multiple sounds multiple what was the word I'm looking 287 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:59.360 for compositions, I guess, but I'm not aware of any 288 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:02.360 vocalization recordings of that. But then again, maybe they're just 289 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:06.200 not trying to express anything with that, or maybe I'm 290 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:09.519 overthinking it, and that's exactly what the whoops and knocks 291 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:11.480 or the whistles and knocks are. 292 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:14.559 I still I can't wait till we figure out how 293 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:15.679 many knocks means. 294 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:18.080 What or if that's even consistent. 295 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:19.840 Right, I mean, yeah, it doesn't mean anything at all. 296 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:22.000 It's just like one guy bangs three times, they got 297 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:24.720 banks once or four times or whatever. It's suspended because 298 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:29.679 these more hyper he's got more testosterone, or she's more talkative. 299 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:31.840 Or you know, quote unquote talkative. 300 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:34.480 But yeah, it's uh, I can't I just can't wait 301 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:36.480 till we start learning this stuff, you know, instead of 302 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:37.840 just speculating all the time. 303 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:40.320 Well, hopefully we're learning a little bit now, but with 304 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:42.919 you know, good record taking and all that sort of stuff. 305 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:46.759 But speaking and then we got another another article about 306 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:51.519 underestimating that's the homo the lady about how they're intelligence. 307 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:53.600 They had a brain went through the size of the 308 00:14:53.759 --> 00:14:56.879 of a human like us, but it turns out they 309 00:14:56.879 --> 00:14:59.960 are more complex thinkers than we gave them credit for, 310 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:03.600 or like with the whole burials and the hashtags and 311 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:04.279 the symbols. 312 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:06.759 Yeah, of course, and this is from the Rising Star 313 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:09.519 Cave in South Africa, and this is on ABC News 314 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:15.080 is abcnews dot go dot com. Article published in early 315 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:18.399 June about homon Alidi, of course, which is another human name, 316 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:21.480 not maybe not ancestor, but human relative. It's a hominin 317 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:24.279 for sure. And these things were kind of small, and 318 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:26.519 they're very archaic in a lot of ways. They showed 319 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:29.320 a lot of characteristics of early hominins, but also some 320 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:32.720 things with later homonyms. So there, and of course there's 321 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:35.600 a lot of interesting things about homon Alidi. First of all, 322 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:39.799 all of the fossils from this one's species have been 323 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:43.840 found in one place, in one place only, the Rising 324 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:47.200 Star Cave in South Africa. So and this one find, 325 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:51.039 of all these different hominin fossils, I believe more than 326 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:54.480 doubled all of the hominin fossils in the world. So 327 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:59.960 now one, this one particular find, gave us more hormon 328 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:03.480 fossils in one find than we had collected in the 329 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:07.759 previous one hundred and fifty years' Well, really, what's really 330 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:13.120 amazing about it to me is the scarcity of fossils. Yeah, yeah, 331 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:16.519 because it turns out there aren't that many fossils people. 332 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:18.759 I think that we hear about them so much, and 333 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:20.799 we get this idea that we have all these different 334 00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:24.039 fossils and all these different examples of all these different hominins, 335 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:26.159 and it's just simply is not true. It just simply 336 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:29.200 is not true. We have barely any you know, of 337 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:32.679 the billions of these different animals that existed, we have 338 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:35.879 barely any. I was talking about this in the shop 339 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:37.960 the other day, is people, how come there's not more fossils? 340 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:40.000 And you know, yeah, that whole thing that we get 341 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:41.720 all the time. And I brought up the idea of 342 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:45.279 Trannosaurus rex. You know, everybody knows about t rexes, you know, 343 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.120 Jurassic Park and all that jazz in. A recent study 344 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:51.240 suggested that there were a couple billion of these over time. 345 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:53.960 And to my knowledge, and I believe I'm correct on this, 346 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:55.759 and if I'm not, please let me know. I don't mind. 347 00:16:55.879 --> 00:16:58.399 I don't mind being wrong. From what I understand, we 348 00:16:58.559 --> 00:17:01.960 have yet to find one fleet skeleton. So all of 349 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:07.839 the rearticulated fossil skeletons of Tyrannosaurus rex are composites of 350 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:10.640 different animals put together. But even though there are billions 351 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:13.319 of these things over time, we have yet to find 352 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:17.119 one complete fossilized skeleton. And a lot of that is 353 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:21.559 true of hominins as well. Oh yeah, there's always bones missing, 354 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:24.000 always bones missing. But back to the homo on Alite things. 355 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:28.920 There seem to be deliberate scratch marks on the wall 356 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:35.319 inside this cave system, and there's triangles, there's hashtag signs. 357 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:37.559 We don't know what then, We have no idea what 358 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:40.440 these carvings with these scratch marks mean, but it seems 359 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:43.759 to be that these were used by homon Alidy for something. 360 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:47.039 So there's some sort of symbolic thought going on here, 361 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:51.119 some sort of symbolism, which is one of the defining 362 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:54.240 characteristics of what humans are about really for the most part, 363 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:58.599 although that again, that line is very much blurred every 364 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:00.720 time we learn something new about another one of these animals, 365 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.799 whether we're talking about ravens or other covids or dolphins 366 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:06.440 or something else that like, oh, yeah they do that too, Yeah, yeah, 367 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:09.319 maybe humans aren't aren't as special as we thought. 368 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:14.880 They're the first social media presence hashtag in those graves. 369 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:20.279 Yeah, I guess so. I guess so Hashtag and Aliti they. 370 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:23.559 Lined up the yeah, because they scratched it into the 371 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:27.359 rock surface, and they line up right over the each 372 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:28.799 one lines up over a grave. 373 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:31.839 Well, I'm going to read a paragraph out of this 374 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:34.240 real fastest, and what I like about is this. The 375 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:37.559 finding was striking and shocking and erases the idea of 376 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:42.400 human exceptionalism that humans are different than animals and special 377 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:45.559 due to their big brains. Home On Alite had brains 378 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:49.319 about the size of a chimpanzee, and yet practice ritual burials, 379 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:53.039 a behavior previously assumed was only done by humans. Lee 380 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:56.680 Burger says, Lie Burger is the name of the paleoanthropologist 381 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:59.599 who's in charge of this entire dig. But again, I 382 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:01.599 don't know. I'm not sure. I have totally one hundred 383 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:04.559 percent agree with everything he just said there, because I 384 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:09.000 think that, yeah, are they actually is this actually examples 385 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:12.559 of ritual burials because they're scratching on the wall. I 386 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:15.359 don't know, we don't know that. I think it's very possible. 387 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:17.640 I'm not saying it's not. But I think that perhaps 388 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:19.680 at this point, maybe it's a little early. I don't know, 389 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:21.799 what do you feel about that, Bobo a little maybe 390 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:24.240 a bit earlier? Yeah, I mean I think it's very 391 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:28.200 possible and a super intriguing idea. But again, it's to 392 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:30.880 say it is that this is ritual burials. I don't know. 393 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:33.200 Maybe maybe it's like, oh, dude, there's a dead thing there, 394 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:35.440 let's scratch the wall there because it stinks. Who knows? 395 00:19:35.799 --> 00:19:37.200 So wanting to sign up to step in it? 396 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:39.920 Yeah, exactly. You don't want to step in that, man. 397 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:41.720 I mean, how often are we going to find another 398 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:42.920 thing like that to corroborate? 399 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:45.000 You know, like, no, I would love to How about 400 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:48.480 how fantastic would it be to find another cave system 401 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:51.480